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BeanE
04-13-2010, 05:30 PM
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iluvmua
04-14-2010, 07:21 AM
also, If she didn''t kill him why does she not rat this supposed "couple" out to save her own skin? she's not doing it because NO couple exists.

ZERO witnesses have come forward saying they saw this baby..... If any witnesses did come forward I might think he's still alive.

momtective
04-14-2010, 11:06 PM
In the 7 min. video Ken Gamble states..."she clearly had no communication with this couple, no telephone communication, so she was directed by a 3rd party to come here and hand the baby over to somebody who she thought was going to take care of the baby."

That leads me to believe KG already has EJ's phone records so they must be waiting on the 3rd party's phone records. So who have we been told EJ was in contact with...TPS and JM...one of those things that makes ya go hmmmmmm.

LogicalMinds
04-14-2010, 11:09 PM
One thing I think needs to be expanded upon here is the idea of "safekeeping"

in any case there is the factor of , as the Romans said, "cui bono"...who benefits??

while one could conceivably think that a couple desperate for a child might take risks to have one even if it meant an illegal adoption, why would we think that "someone" would agree to "safekeep" Gabe for Elizabeth, and take the risks, the legal danger, the extreme problem of hiding him???

All for someone they never met?? Are we supposed to think that the HG somehow got someone to take this huge step for Elizabeth, meet up in a park and take the baby with nothing but ? the missing green diaper bag....??

Maybe someone would babysit a child for a day or so...but take on this huge undertaking??

Imagine a Hispanic couple trying to hide blue eyed Gabe , supporting him where?? in Mexico?? People there come here to give their own kids a good life...how would they manage to support him there and why would they?? I can imagine a motherly/religious woman seeing that E is a bad mother and taking the baby for an afternoon but for all these months?? what would be "in it" for them?? who benefits??

It just is beyond rational thinking to think that someone would take this risk on a whim

imagine..take a child whose face is on tv, hide him, give up your own life, your own friends, the place where you lived...go in hiding...and for what?? just cause E wanted you to one morning??

Not to mention....E herself is not happy in jail, very unhappy, why would she have all this "loyalty" to someone she met for minutes in a park???

It all is beyond reason to me.

pittsburghgirl
04-14-2010, 11:13 PM
Hmmmmmmm, indeed. Most roads lead right to TPS.

iluvmua
04-15-2010, 10:02 AM
What I don't get is why LE have not gone out to Victoria. I'd check it out just in case

kappy50
04-16-2010, 03:08 PM
I still SO want to know who that male companion was that she had THE MOMENT she got to SA....I don't think it was HG tho...I'm just banging my head and going nowhere...oh well TGIF and it's 5 o'clock somewhere! Back to the drawing board!

rekabal
04-16-2010, 03:17 PM
I still SO want to know who that male companion was that she had THE MOMENT she got to SA....I don't think it was HG tho...I'm just banging my head and going nowhere...oh well TGIF and it's 5 o'clock somewhere! Back to the drawing board!

Kappy, why don't you think it was the HG?

noopy
04-26-2010, 10:17 PM
??? Lots of criminals contend they didn't "do it"

Scott Peterson and Drew Peterson come to mind.....OJ would still be contending he "didn't do it" and looking for the "real killer" if prison had not intervened LOL

JMO I think E frantically texted and called Logan with the truth...then later decided to tough it out, no body , no crime, make up various stories of "gave him to a couple in a park" etc

Exactly, most recently she has pleaded not guilty for assaulting inmates while it's actually on VIDEO?? Seems she has a pattern for violence, and then pleading not guilty afterwards, and she prob believes she's not guilty if she said so. Does not bode well for little Gabe sadly.

kappy50
04-27-2010, 06:24 PM
I'd like to go back and review some older events. I think we all know TS & JS (although not charged ) are involved. But to what advantage in the long run is it for them ?? (2) Who was the male companion she was with immediately upon her arrivel in SA. (3) The HG guy...??? (4) the couple at the hotel....are these 3 individuals just happenstance ??? Were they someone she just befriended ??? What role does these characters play into meeting another couple whom she probably just spent minutes with have in common.?? Babbling I know...there are too many players in this case to not have something specific IMO. BeanE...don't put me in time out, pleeze!

BeanE
04-27-2010, 06:34 PM
I'd like to go back and review some older events. I think we all know TS & JS (although not charged ) are involved. But to what advantage in the long run is it for them ?? (2) Who was the male companion she was with immediately upon her arrivel in SA. (3) The HG guy...??? (4) the couple at the hotel....are these 3 individuals just happenstance ??? Were they someone she just befriended ??? What role does these characters play into meeting another couple whom she probably just spent minutes with have in common.?? Babbling I know...there are too many players in this case to not have something specific IMO. BeanE...don't put me in time out, pleeze!

kappy, I can't put people in timeout - I'm just a mini-mod. :)

This is a No Posting thread, though, so I need you to find the appropriate threads to post on the people you list that you want to discuss. If there's no thread for one of them, just create a new one.

Thanks and hugs,
BeanE

kappy50
04-27-2010, 07:03 PM
kappy, I can't put people in timeout - I'm just a mini-mod. :)

This is a No Posting thread, though, so I need you to find the appropriate threads to post on the people you list that you want to discuss. If there's no thread for one of them, just create a new one.

Thanks and hugs,
BeanE

Otay!

kappy50
04-27-2010, 10:17 PM
B... I am somewhat confused about this thread...? Whatever I think.. show me how I can get a general discussion thread up..threads are what they are, but if you have something to ask beyond those designated threads or combined thoughts ,where do you go ? When I came to know about Master Gabe was through general discussion...why do things have to change...is a general conversation against the rules ???

BeanE
04-28-2010, 08:39 AM
B... I am somewhat confused about this thread...? Whatever I think.. show me how I can get a general discussion thread up..threads are what they are, but if you have something to ask beyond those designated threads or combined thoughts ,where do you go ? When I came to know about Master Gabe was through general discussion...why do things have to change...is a general conversation against the rules ???

Regarding this thread, I've added additional information to the first post in this thread.

We haven't had general discussion threads since Gabe's forum was created, and we're not going to. JBean explained when she created the forum in these posts:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Threadiquette- Questions about rules welcome here

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Things That Make You Go "Hmmmmm . . ."

If you have any further questions on why we don't have general discussion threads once a forum is created, please post your questions in the Threadiquette thread, or PM me or any mod.

If you want to post about something, go through existing threads to find one where your post topic fits. If you don't find a topic that seems appropriate, create a new thread and explain the topic in your first post to that thread.

If anyone needs help determining if there's an existing thread, or what an appropriate topic would be for a new thread, PM me - I'm happy to help.

No more posting in this thread please. The Threadiquette thread is for posting questions to mods.

Thanks,
BeanE

CathyinTexas
05-04-2010, 12:36 AM
I've been thinking of a way to say just this when I ran across this...Jack pull you boot straps up and be a man.....Tammi...go juicing or something....you're profession may come quite handy in the next environment of life you may encounter.

Will someone put up a poll to see how many of us Websleuthers believe Elizabeth's story per the recorded conversation, and that Tammi is the mastermind?

danisisa
05-05-2010, 12:07 PM
How do I move the above post?

BeanE
05-05-2010, 12:27 PM
How do I move the above post?

See the first post in this thread.

noopy
05-05-2010, 09:06 PM
/snip/

The only reason she's facing any serious prison time is because of the text she sent saying she killed Gabriel--that's what triggered the kidnapping charge. A year would not be out of the question as a sentence for giving away or even selling your baby to keep him away from the custodial parent. Which is insane, of course. :banghead:


Yes, that has GOT to change. Why is it any diff from human trafficking... :banghead::banghead::furious::banghead::furious:

Well, she DID send the text, she DID call Logan, and both are recorded. Not sure how her lawyers could argue otherwise, but I certainly hope she does NOT get away with the kidnapping charge. Also, Gabriel is still MISSING? Doesn't that change things? I mean, if a parent sold the baby, but the baby is still well and alive, ok, fine, 1 year (:banghead::furious:), but what if the baby is missing and safety unknown???

Thanks AZ.

kappy50
05-05-2010, 10:15 PM
News teams are not required to consult their lawyers or even to have lawyers. :) Regarding the tape of the phone call, there is no way it's libel to say, "Here's a tape of a phone call between TS and EJ." That's clearly true, right?? So if TS's attorney got it pulled by threatening a libel suit, then the news organization is wussier than most.



Even for a civil suit, LM is going to need more evidence than he has now to sue TS. And I'm not sure it's money he wants anyway; I think he wants his son back. :(



The only reason she's facing any serious prison time is because of the text she sent saying she killed Gabriel--that's what triggered the kidnapping charge. A year would not be out of the question as a sentence for giving away or even selling your baby to keep him away from the custodial parent. Which is insane, of course. :banghead:

AZ thanks so much for all your input. When I mentioned suit/charges I never thought monitary. I know LM wants no dollar bills out of this and only his son back.... I guess I wanted to know if any charges were filed against her, it might bring here house of cards down if it meant she lost everything in her life....or years of agony over all this garbage she has created. She thinks EJ ruined her life...to me LM ain't even started yet!

OneLove
05-06-2010, 12:01 AM
AZ thanks so much for all your input. When I mentioned suit/charges I never thought monitary. I know LM wants no dollar bills out of this and only his son back.... I guess I wanted to know if any charges were filed against her, it might bring here house of cards down if it meant she lost everything in her life....or years of agony over all this garbage she has created. She thinks EJ ruined her life...to me LM ain't even started yet!

I would like to see the civil suit filed against TS and LOTS and LOTS of publicity around it so it will discourage anyone else from ever EVER doing this kind of thing again.

(And so TS just might, someday, finally realize she is in the WRONG and that she was NOT doing God's work)

Melanie
05-07-2010, 01:53 AM
After listening to the jail house call between E and TS, I do believe E was telling more truth than TS. But why E hasn't given up TS, is still confusing to me. I mean, why doesn't E just come out with everything and give up TS???

Odd case indeed.

rekabal
05-07-2010, 02:58 PM
I think this post fits here...

I keep going back to medical care for Gabe. Somehow he is getting that - at 1 year he should have had a check up and shots. I am sure he was sick this winter and had to have care then too. On previous posts it was suggested that he could have been taken to an urgent care for his medical care.

In reading the threads there seems to be 2 current thoughts - either he is 1) in AZ somewhere near to TS or just in AZ or 2) still in the San Antonio area. (I am not near either).

I know this would be huge, but has anyone canvased the doctor offices/urgent care clinics/emergency rooms? I don't think you can e-mail them and they are probably not connected electronically at all, so you would need to go into the offices with a picture of gabe - younger and an age progression and see if they have seen him? Start at the center of the town and work in a radius out of town? IDK:twocents:

YellowSubmarine
05-12-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm re-looking for connections in SA --- I know their was some speculation about military bases after someones comment about helicopters overhead. I found another affiliation for TS's church, a large one (Church of Christ Valley Hi) which is just northwest - maybe a mile - of Lackland AFB. There is also Kelly AFB just southeast of that.

Also, early on, Logan asked if we found any connections to Luna Tx. There is no Luna Tx -- BUT, I do see a Luna Ct south of Kelly AFB, which is just down the street from a Jack-In-The-Box as well.

Just thought it was interesting.

saba
05-12-2010, 04:09 PM
hi yellow- there is indeed a Luna Texas - Freestone county


http://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles//LL/hrl73.html

i've been wondering about a military connection too-

YellowSubmarine
05-12-2010, 04:38 PM
Thanks, Saba -- I did have the crossroads of Farm To Market Roads 489 & 1451, but was under the impression from my research the town didn't really exist anymore -- if that's possible . . . .

kissdegirl
05-12-2010, 04:46 PM
I'm re-looking for connections in SA --- I know their was some speculation about military bases after someones comment about helicopters overhead. I found another affiliation for TS's church, a large one (Church of Christ Valley Hi) which is just northwest - maybe a mile - of Lackland AFB. There is also Kelly AFB just southeast of that.

Also, early on, Logan asked if we found any connections to Luna Tx. There is no Luna Tx -- BUT, I do see a Luna Ct south of Kelly AFB, which is just down the street from a Jack-In-The-Box as well.

Just thought it was interesting.

I don't remember anything about Luna? Do you have a link? TIA. :)

saba
05-12-2010, 05:14 PM
Thanks, Saba -- I did have the crossroads of Farm To Market Roads 489 & 1451, but was under the impression from my research the town didn't really exist anymore -- if that's possible . . . .

Locals who live in the immediate vicinity might call the area Luna rather than describing it by road numbers- particularly if they go back aways - I looked this up once before and was just stumped- maybe there's a satellite view somewhere- I also wonder if a cell tower out in some cornfield would register as being in Luna.

kissdegirl
05-12-2010, 05:18 PM
Locals who live in the immediate vicinity might call the area Luna rather than describing it by road numbers- particularly if they go back aways - I looked this up once before and was just stumped- maybe there's a satellite view somewhere- I also wonder if a cell tower out in some cornfield would register as being in Luna.

Google has a satellite view, and those roads have street view's as well.

MAP LINK (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Farm+to+Market+Road+489+%26+County+Road+145 1,+Teague,+Freestone,+Texas+75860&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FVh04QEdh9VD-g&split=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&hq=&hnear=Farm+to+Market+Road+489+%26+County+Road+1451 ,+Teague,+Freestone,+Texas+75860&t=h&z=16)

saba
05-12-2010, 05:32 PM
Google has a satellite view, and one of those roads has a street view as well.

MAP LINK (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Farm+to+Market+Road+489+%26+County+Road+145 1,+Teague,+Freestone,+Texas+75860&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FVh04QEdh9VD-g&split=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&hq=&hnear=Farm+to+Market+Road+489+%26+County+Road+1451 ,+Teague,+Freestone,+Texas+75860&t=h&z=16)

so does mapquest (sorry i forgot to link)- closest thing seems to be a big house with a pool in the back yard

BeanE
05-12-2010, 06:29 PM
I'm re-looking for connections in SA --- I know their was some speculation about military bases after someones comment about helicopters overhead. I found another affiliation for TS's church, a large one (Church of Christ Valley Hi) which is just northwest - maybe a mile - of Lackland AFB. There is also Kelly AFB just southeast of that.

Also, early on, Logan asked if we found any connections to Luna Tx. There is no Luna Tx -- BUT, I do see a Luna Ct south of Kelly AFB, which is just down the street from a Jack-In-The-Box as well.

Just thought it was interesting.

Please keep psychic discussions (the helicopters overhead) in the Psychic thread.

What is the military connection regarding Tammi as the third party? If you don't have a direct connection, then please discuss military connections in the military theory thread.

I searched the forum, and I didn't find anything on Logan asking us about Luna. Where did that come from please?

Thanks,
BeanE

iluvmua
05-12-2010, 09:57 PM
After hearing her complain about the food in Jail. And fighting with inmates. I think she did kill Gabriel, I hope that isn't the case but I would think she would confess if she really gave him away and give more information, to try getting out of jail good food. I think she did it to get back at Logan and because she didn't enjoy motherhood.

I agree, EJ's not protecting anyone, the only thing she's protecting is from people finding out the truth about what she did with Gabriel.

If Gabe is alive, why is she not working with LE? why is she not trying to help locate this supposed couple? etc.

She hates jail, so if Gabe's alive why not tell the truth and get out?

unfortunately, I can only think of one reason why she's not helping anybody.

YellowSubmarine
05-12-2010, 10:03 PM
Sorry guys! I linked the psychic thread because it referenced TS being involved and I referenced the military thread because I found something of interest while trying to link TS to SA.

Regarding Luna, I completely spaced that it came from him in an email to me -- sorry if I shouldn't have brought it up. Everything runs together sometimes......



ETA: If it's ok to mention, the Luna connection was in an email from Logan pretty early on. He said they had a possible lead connecting to Luna and asked if anyone had mentioned a connection. There was a few of us that looked through it and didn't find one. Well, couldn't really even find that Luna was still a town.