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BeanE
04-14-2010, 02:34 PM
Man Charged With Raping Toddler

POSTED: 9:53 am EDT April 14, 2010
UPDATED: 1:21 pm EDT April 14, 2010

Police in Carroll County said 23-year-old Ryan Chad Gifford beat, raped and burned his girlfriend's 21-month-old daughter while the mother slept at his home in the 500 block of Yellow Lily Court on Saturday.

According to a police report, Gifford and the mother were drinking that night.

Gifford was arrested Sunday after the woman discovered the girl was injured and took her to Johns Hopkins Hospital, where she remains in intensive care.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/23146895/detail.html

BeanE
04-14-2010, 02:36 PM
Westminster man faces child abuse charges
Documents: Girl treated for injuries, examined for possible sexual abuse

An examination of the child at Carroll Hospital Center revealed fresh injuries to the child, including a swollen lip, dried and fresh blood in both ear canals and bruises on her face, according to court documents in the case.

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Neither Gifford nor the child's mother could explain the injuries during an initial interview with police, according to the documents.
According to the documents, the mother said Gifford had been drinking heavily Friday evening leading up to the discovery of the injuries.
The child and the mother spent the night at Gifford's apartment, and the mother told police there were no injuries on the child when she went to sleep that night, according to court documents.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/article_6f875132-4771-11df-b2bc-001cc4c002e0.html

BeanE
04-14-2010, 02:40 PM
Apr 14, 2010 12:33 pm US/Eastern
Man Accused Of Abusing & Burning Toddler

The mother tells police that she put her baby girl down to go to sleep at 10:30 p.m. in Gifford's bed. Then the couple walked to get alcohol. Police say Gifford drank a half gallon of white wine and became intoxicated before the couple went to sleep.

Court documents say the mother woke up to find Gifford locked in the bathroom with the little girl with the shower on. After loud knocking and screaming, he let her in. She says Gifford and the baby were both naked.

He said that the baby had "blood on her ears... [so he] gave her a shower" and he told the mother that "the baby was fussy and she had fallen down" to explain cuts, blood, swelling and bruises all over her body.

http://wjz.com/local/ryan.gifford.2.1630609.html

tlcya
04-14-2010, 02:57 PM
I just can't. I do not have it in me today.

jnTexas
04-14-2010, 03:25 PM
oh no! No way mom slept threw this. that baby girl had to be screaming in pain. They were in an apartment.

justice77
04-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Can someone please tell me what these men find sexually attractive about a baby????? I don't understand. Look at magazines...women get breast implants and workout to make there body appear toned and curvy because this is what men are suppose to find attractive. Why is it that all of a sudden it seems so many men, or actually I should call them monsters, are finding babies attractive and raping them....it MAKES NO SENSE!!!!

Beyond Belief
04-14-2010, 03:57 PM
because there are many many sick humans walking the face of the earth.

justbeachy
04-14-2010, 03:58 PM
"dried and fresh blood"

So does that mean something has happened in the past to this poor child as well? I wonder how old the dried blood was.

slowbutsteady
04-14-2010, 06:15 PM
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"If convicted, Gifford could be sentenced to as much as 75 years in prison."

Is that all??? :furious::furious:

He should be raped, burned and sodomized too...:furious:

This absolutely makes me sick!! I'll never understand how "people" can do this to our little ones...I just don't understand!

alsmom
04-14-2010, 07:00 PM
Can someone please tell me what these men find sexually attractive about a baby?????

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I believe this truly is about total control. Not sex.

BeanE
04-14-2010, 07:12 PM
oh no! No way mom slept threw this. that baby girl had to be screaming in pain. They were in an apartment.

And the baby had been put to bed in the boyfriend's bed. I don't want to think that mom went to sleep in the same bed, and that is where the assault of this precious little one occurred right next to her.

WhyaDuck?
04-14-2010, 07:33 PM
Why would you drink so much that you would sleep through your child's cries? Sounds like there's all kinds of problems in this family.

I'm just floored.

mysticrose
04-14-2010, 07:53 PM
Westminster man accused of child sex abuse
Police say he raped, burned girlfriend’s toddler; child released from hospital

A Westminster man is accused of raping, beating and burning the 21-month-old daughter of his girlfriend while the mother slept nearby, according to charging documents filed in Carroll County.

Ryan Chad Gifford, 23, was arrested Sunday and charged with first- and second-degree assault and first- and second-degree child abuse after the girl's mother took her to a hospital for treatment of burns, a swollen face and extensive abrasions.

Gifford was being held at the Caroll County Detention Center in lieu of $500,000 bond after a bail review hearing Monday. If found guilty of the charges, he could face up to 75 years in prison.

The child was released Wednesday after treatment in the pediatric intensive-care unit at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, a spokeswoman there said


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/carroll/bs-md-child-abuse-arrest-20100413,0,2243264.story

mysticrose
04-14-2010, 07:55 PM
Nothing that a nice shiny bullet in both kneecaps, groin and eventually chest would not take care of .....

I can't even imagine what a %^*$#* !!!!!!!!!

BeanE
04-14-2010, 08:43 PM
Police who went to the Westminster hospital to look into a report of child abuse secured a warrant to search Gifford's home. There they found a bloody T-shirt belonging to Gifford that had some of the child's blond hair attached, accord to the report.

"Blood was found on his bed, baby pack-and-play, baby's socks, and toilet seat," Cpl. William Burdt wrote in the report. "I told Gifford what we had found in his room and he stated, ‘Must have been her blood — I don't remember anything.' "

All this in his bed where the baby was put to sleep, in his room. Where was the mother sleeping?

More from the article. This is horrifying:

The woman told police she dried the girl, dressed her, put her to bed and went back to sleep. Yelton said she checked on the child about 8 a.m. and returned to bed. When she checked her again at 11 a.m., she noticed the baby's face was swollen. It was then that she took her to the hospital.

Once there, doctors discovered "multiple fresh injuries," the report said, including a swollen, cut upper lip, bruising on both cheeks, "random bruises and abrasions throughout her body," and marks on her chest and buttocks. Her right foot and left calf had been burned, and the big toe on her left foot had a "crush injury." In addition, she showed evidence of having been both raped and sodomized, the report said.

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"She's a little waiflike thing, a pretty little girl," Teeter said Tuesday.

pinamia
04-14-2010, 09:05 PM
I think she was released from hospital. I sure hope he fries and the mom losses custody. Poor little one.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/carroll/bs-md-child-abuse-arrest-20100413,0,2243264.story


The child was released Wednesday after treatment in the pediatric intensive-care unit at Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/health/hospitals-clinics/johns-hopkins-hospital-PLCUL000168.topic) in Baltimore, a spokeswoman there said.

kbl8201
04-15-2010, 12:12 AM
i hope cps/dcfs/whatever has the baby. im sersiously gonna have a nervous breakdown this keeps up.

hang them both :(

BOZGAL
04-15-2010, 01:26 AM
i hope cps/dcfs/whatever has the baby. im sersiously gonna have a nervous breakdown this keeps up.

hang them both :(

This is beyond SICK. :furious:
And what is going on with the Mother? :banghead:
Drunk on wine. Yeah right. :rolleyes:

Hang him high or throw him in general population. And keep that precious baby away from her Mother.


jmho

cluciano63
04-15-2010, 01:35 AM
ok i can't take this anymore, these hideous crimes by boyfriends of mothers...it makes me sick...women with children allowing men into their childrens' lives whom they either know nothing about or know and still do it...I hardly know what to say or what can be enough justice in cases like this...

LogicalMinds
04-15-2010, 02:07 AM
Agggggggh......eeeeeeeee.....grrrrrrrr

notice that the bio mom and this man she had to have left the toddler alone in the apt while they "walked to buy alcohol" or whatever....ugh

just bring your baby along , get drunk, shack up...and then pass out and whoops...

I hope this poor little girl was not released to go home with the so called mother

75 years for this waste of space?? uGH

Missizzy
04-15-2010, 03:47 AM
Implanon. I can say this while many others may be afraid to. Inserted into the upper arm, the birth control lasts for three years. Some courts have ordered women to use it. There's also Depo-Provera. We use this for our young ladies with DD--a simple shot which lasts three months. There's no way our girls could parent a child with IQ's in the 50-60 range but we would have no say in the matter if they ever got pregnant by rape or through a consensual act.

The smartest thing we EVER did was talk our daughter into Implanon a month before she was stolen by traffickers. We bribed her and I am so glad we did. Our heart breaks for her but at least we know there isn't an innocent child in the mix. I live with total dread as this three year period comes to an end. I can only pray that her pimp will get her to a Planned Parenthood as she couldn't find one on her own.

We've just got to stop all the unplanned babies from being conceived. There's an estimated 500,000 already in foster care and we just don't have enough homes. Adoptive parents are not lining up. Fully 80% of children in care arrive with serious sexual abuse and drug exposure issues. They are born tremendously compromised. They are children whose special needs are going to require intensive services for a life time. Not for five years...but for 75 years. DHS can't make anyone happy. They are either condemned for being too hard-nosed or too lax. They are drowning in needy kids and broken families. The system we have in place for children is simply not sustainable.

Let everybody party as much as they want. If and when they grow up and decide to settle down, then it's time to think about making babies. Oh, how I wish reproductive organs got switched on ONLY after you'd completed high school, worked for a few years, paid your cell phone bill on time, had procured a safe and decent place to live, and completed some community service. Then, and only then, you get to make a baby.

Maybe then, babies would be cherished and anticipated with joy...and not shoved to the edge of the bed to get raped and beaten by people who have no right to have a child. JMO

As is painfully apparent, I'm getting tired of the battle.

Melanie
04-15-2010, 03:56 AM
ok i can't take this anymore, these hideous crimes by boyfriends of mothers...it makes me sick...women with children allowing men into their childrens' lives whom they either know nothing about or know and still do it...I hardly know what to say or what can be enough justice in cases like this...

I'm right there with you. What really irks me is that the mother put the baby back to bed! OMG - WTF -- I'm all over the place on this one. 21 months? Is it even possible? I hope he's castrated in prison and the mother put away as well for child endangerment and neglect, and however many other charges they can pin on her and that evil devil's spawn.

:furious:

Mel

She said she put the girl back to bed, but then realized later in the day that the girl's face was swollen and took her to Johns Hopkins Hospital, where she remains in intensive care.

2goldfish
04-15-2010, 06:31 AM
I thought I was sick and furious until I read momma dried her off, dressed her, and PUT HER BACK TO BED.

OMG.


if you can suspend your sense enough to imagine taking baby to bf's, putting her to bed, leaving her alone (I assume, I guess there could be others there at the time, dear lord.) to get booze, passing out, waking to find naked bf locked with naked bleeding baby in the bathroom, HOW at this point do you not run screaming to the cops/hospital/anyone that will listen????

Sometimes I feel I shouldnt blame the mothers as much as I actually do, I wish this was a world you could trust anyone around your babies but IT IS NOT and while I could forgive mom for making mistakes all the way to finding them in the bathroom, I cannot overlook not sorting that IMMEDIATELY.

tlcya
04-15-2010, 01:02 PM
Again, today I tried to be part of this exchange. Again I fail. Words fail. I am not strong enough to converse/post in a coherent way that will add anyting to this thread. All I want to do is scream/cry/run/weep/wail/tear at my hair. My hope is that she will at least not have clear memories of this horror to contend with when she grows up. I wish for this baby - totally, blessedly, no memory, ever to haunt her.

So mote it be.

slowbutsteady
04-15-2010, 02:26 PM
I think she was released from hospital. I sure hope he fries and the mom losses custody. Poor little one.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/carroll/bs-md-child-abuse-arrest-20100413,0,2243264.story


The child was released Wednesday after treatment in the pediatric intensive-care unit at Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/health/hospitals-clinics/johns-hopkins-hospital-PLCUL000168.topic) in Baltimore, a spokeswoman there said.

Who did they release her to...I hope to God it wasn't the mother. It's painfully obvious she knows nothing about mothering!!!:furious:

BeanE
04-15-2010, 03:38 PM
The couple allegedly put the child to bed, then walked to the store and bought wine, which they consumed on their return to 500 block of Yellow Lily Court. Ms. Yelton told police that Ryan Gifford drank half a gallon of white wine, and that she went to bed after a wine cooler.

Okay, so all she had was a wine cooler. And she heard nothing while her baby was beaten head to toe, burned, raped, and sodomized???

Per video at the bottom of the page, it was the home of the boyfriend's parents.

Per video the jug of wine was for him and she purchased just a wine cooler.

http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1455

Melanie
04-15-2010, 03:55 PM
I thought I was sick and furious until I read momma dried her off, dressed her, and PUT HER BACK TO BED.

OMG.


if you can suspend your sense enough to imagine taking baby to bf's, putting her to bed, leaving her alone (I assume, I guess there could be others there at the time, dear lord.) to get booze, passing out, waking to find naked bf locked with naked bleeding baby in the bathroom, HOW at this point do you not run screaming to the cops/hospital/anyone that will listen????

Sometimes I feel I shouldnt blame the mothers as much as I actually do, I wish this was a world you could trust anyone around your babies but IT IS NOT and while I could forgive mom for making mistakes all the way to finding them in the bathroom, I cannot overlook not sorting that IMMEDIATELY.

I'm with ya! The minute I saw the blood I would go into complete freak mode and call 911 or rush my child to the ER. My goodness - when my son had an ear infection and cried and cried, I took him to Urgent Care in the middle of the night. If he had blood running out his ears, I wouldn't pat it dry and put him back to bed.

The poor baby must have been screaming for hours.

Mom is a GD idiot and should be in jail. The baby will never be the same - sweet innocence lost at 21 months :(

Mel

krt
04-15-2010, 03:58 PM
I am so freakin tired of this crap! Any woman can give birth but it is a PRIVLEDGE to be a parent dam it!

Catters
04-16-2010, 12:59 AM
I hope he gets exactly what is deserved... sodomized/burnt/and beat up in jail, every single day of those 75 years.. what a sick, sick individual.

Luna_Myst
04-16-2010, 01:33 AM
I found this site 'WS' because I wanted more information on a girl who was missing one county over from me (Lindsey Baum). I enjoy the info shared, the hard work put into finding people, searching for justice, all the great minds at work here, the compasion of all walks of life coming together striving to help in anyway possiable, The Team Work.
BUT THIS STORY JUST KILLED A PEICE OF MY SANITY!!!!

I am a Mother of 2 children, that said this SB wouldn't have made it out of that bathroom! I am seeing nothing, hearing nothing I put baby on the bed step into the kitchen grab a knife, (sobbing choking on my grief, regret, puke, anger, sadness, fear, and RAGE) I find some lighter fluid, lighter, and a hammer.....I return to bathroom, proceed to beat the %&*# out of this SB, smashing both his feet first (he isn't going anywhere) I castrate him, (scream the scream of a mother who has died at the image of a naked man holding my baby in a locked bathroom, gone to the land of no return!!!!) I give him his preciouse 'Jewels' rite up side his head! and proceed to shower him with lighter fluid and light the wick of hair on his head!!! I turn lock the door and close it behind me. Sanity of a mother returns long enough to help my child and I grab my baby running for the door screaming for help!!!


HELP!!! None of this would have ever happend! My child would not be taken to a boyfriends house! No sitter, no visit to Boyfriends! I have always had a firm plan in my head (that has never even had to be used thus far in my life, Thankfuly) if for what ever reason I did not stay my lifetime with the father of my children I would never ever, parade my second tries at love or nookie calls thru my childrens life! Period I would date a man for a year maybe even 2 before I introduced them to my kids....Why becasue I feel it is the smart thing to do (this of course I applied to my infant, toddler, children, when my kids were older, able to talk to me, tell me whats going on etc I would alter this plan, if and only when I truly felt I knew this man and he even wanted a relationship that involved meeting my kids!) I am at a loss for women/men that work it any other way....why would you even risk the involvment of a good guy in your kids life until you knew it would be for some time, they get attached and hurt too..adults need to take parenting more seriously.

kbl8201
04-16-2010, 02:12 AM
I found this site 'WS' because I wanted more information on a girl who was missing one county over from me (Lindsey Baum). I enjoy the info shared, the hard work put into finding people, searching for justice, all the great minds at work here, the compasion of all walks of life coming together striving to help in anyway possiable, The Team Work.
BUT THIS STORY JUST KILLED A PEICE OF MY SANITY!!!!

I am a Mother of 2 children, that said this SB wouldn't have made it out of that bathroom! I am seeing nothing, hearing nothing I put baby on the bed step into the kitchen grab a knife, (sobbing choking on my grief, regret, puke, anger, sadness, fear, and RAGE) I find some lighter fluid, lighter, and a hammer.....I return to bathroom, proceed to beat the %&*# out of this SB, smashing both his feet first (he isn't going anywhere) I castrate him, (scream the scream of a mother who has died at the image of a naked man holding my baby in a locked bathroom, gone to the land of no return!!!!) I give him his preciouse 'Jewels' rite up side his head! and proceed to shower him with lighter fluid and light the wick of hair on his head!!! I turn lock the door and close it behind me. Sanity of a mother returns long enough to help my child and I grab my baby running for the door screaming for help!!!


HELP!!! None of this would have ever happend! My child would not be taken to a boyfriends house! No sitter, no visit to Boyfriends! I have always had a firm plan in my head (that has never even had to be used thus far in my life, Thankfuly) if for what ever reason I did not stay my lifetime with the father of my children I would never ever, parade my second tries at love or nookie calls thru my childrens life! Period I would date a man for a year maybe even 2 before I introduced them to my kids....Why becasue I feel it is the smart thing to do (this of course I applied to my infant, toddler, children, when my kids were older, able to talk to me, tell me whats going on etc I would alter this plan, if and only when I truly felt I knew this man and he even wanted a relationship that involved meeting my kids!) I am at a loss for women/men that work it any other way....why would you even risk the involvment of a good guy in your kids life until you knew it would be for some time, they get attached and hurt too..adults need to take parenting more seriously.

wow dont hold back, what would you really do to him? ;)

i seriously hope they find lindsey, and still with us.

Luna_Myst
04-16-2010, 02:27 AM
wow dont hold back, what would you really do to him? ;)

i seriously hope they find lindsey, and still with us.


I am facing some issues with all the wrongs being done to our kids, to humanity thru the printed word...;) I found just a smidgin of satisfaction in doing so. Enough I hope to keep me going, digging, hoping, praying, sluething, reading, for the day something I figure out,or point out helps a case, solves a case (we can hope)to be presant for another doing so, or for the Mircles where a child is found and returned home.

I cry for Lindsey and every missing, lost, victomized child, Please bring them home.

BeanE
04-16-2010, 07:26 AM
Alleged Toddler Rapist's Past May Shed Light on Attack
Last Update: 4/15 12:14 pm

We asked a leading psychiatrist, Dr. Fred Berlin, to review that report.

"Certainly this type of physical abuse and injury in association with sexual abuse is extremely rare. I mean the bulk of sex abuse cases, though obviously very wrong, don't involve physical force, coercion, things of that nature," said Berlin.

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"It is true that most people don't act this way even when they're intoxicated,” said Berlin, “In many cases, there's a preexisting vulnerability, but there are some drugs---PCP is one that comes to mind, where people can do things completely out of character simply because they're intoxicated with something that pushes them in a direction that they wouldn't ordinarily go."

Gifford did have the presence of mind to lock the bathroom door.

While his fate will now rest with the courts, Dr. Berlin says the young victim’s future may hinge on how she’s allowed to recover, both physically and emotionally.

"There's a difference between having been wronged and having been permanently damaged. Obviously what happened here is this child has been terribly wronged, but it would be a big mistake in my judgment like damaged goods and then, in that sense, the child picks up on it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy," said Berlin.

Article: http://www.abc2news.com/mostpopular/story/Alleged-Toddler-Rapists-Past-May-Shed-Light-on-At/NXGysJJ9XkyFjMwA7WJ4ug.cspx

Video: http://www.abc2news.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=22490@wmar.web.entriq.net

BeanE
04-16-2010, 07:41 AM
He tore this precious little baby apart when he both raped and sodomized her.

Doctors even gave her an exam for potential rape victims after they found swelling, redness and tears.

He also beat her literally head to toe. Crushed her toe. Split her lip. Bloodied her. Burned her calf and her little foot. Ripped her hair out.

How many hours did he torture this little baby?

At 4am mom hears the baby isn't breathing right *through the bathroom door with the shower running*. That's some loud, labored breathing from a baby to hear it through all that. That baby was in severe physical distress.

And what does mom do? She puts her brutalized baby to bed with no medical treatment - and goes back to sleep. Sleeps until 8am. Wakes up, looks at her baby, beaten, burned, and torn apart, in agony, and what does she do then? Goes back to sleep again until 11am!!

I am a fierce defender of the innocent parties in these cases. So much so that people get mad at me :) But I can not, by any stretch of the imagination, understand why this mother has not been arrested? She may not have abused her baby, but I can not wrap my head around how she did not neglect this poor little sweetheart.

I am trying so hard to understand why this woman has not been arrested, and I just can't.

Italicized info from: http://wjz.com/local/ryan.gifford.2.1633156.html
Other info from articles links throughout this thread.


God bless and protect this precious baby. Please help her heal. Take away her pain, and remove this horror from her memory quickly. Lead her to a place where she will be cared for. Infuse her with a feeling of being loved, and cared for, and safe.

kbl8201
04-16-2010, 12:40 PM
'most abuse cases dont involve force or coerscion'

say what??!?!!?! what other option is there?

tlcya
04-16-2010, 01:36 PM
'most abuse cases dont involve force or coerscion'

say what??!?!!?! what other option is there?

yeah, I caught that as well. wtf? What do they involve then? engraved invitation?

ITA with BeanE, where are the charges against the mother? For all of the reasons already listed by previous posters, doesn't sound as if mom was putting forth even the bare minimum effort to ensure safety of her child. Wonder if mother is being investigated by DHS at least. I would hope.

Nore
04-16-2010, 03:03 PM
i hope cps/dcfs/whatever has the baby. im sersiously gonna have a nervous breakdown this keeps up.

hang them both :(

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The only way to stop them is auto death penalty.If we cant get rid of them one way,try this.They are scum who should ALL be made to suffer what they did to the child.Send the bas%#*&( to Iraq and let them behead them!!! I am Pixxed at all of this going on!:furious:

Nore
04-16-2010, 03:10 PM
I found this site 'WS' because I wanted more information on a girl who was missing one county over from me (Lindsey Baum). I enjoy the info shared, the hard work put into finding people, searching for justice, all the great minds at work here, the compasion of all walks of life coming together striving to help in anyway possiable, The Team Work.
BUT THIS STORY JUST KILLED A PEICE OF MY SANITY!!!!

I am a Mother of 2 children, that said this SB wouldn't have made it out of that bathroom! I am seeing nothing, hearing nothing I put baby on the bed step into the kitchen grab a knife, (sobbing choking on my grief, regret, puke, anger, sadness, fear, and RAGE) I find some lighter fluid, lighter, and a hammer.....I return to bathroom, proceed to beat the %&*# out of this SB, smashing both his feet first (he isn't going anywhere) I castrate him, (scream the scream of a mother who has died at the image of a naked man holding my baby in a locked bathroom, gone to the land of no return!!!!) I give him his preciouse 'Jewels' rite up side his head! and proceed to shower him with lighter fluid and light the wick of hair on his head!!! I turn lock the door and close it behind me. Sanity of a mother returns long enough to help my child and I grab my baby running for the door screaming for help!!!


HELP!!! None of this would have ever happend! My child would not be taken to a boyfriends house! No sitter, no visit to Boyfriends! I have always had a firm plan in my head (that has never even had to be used thus far in my life, Thankfuly) if for what ever reason I did not stay my lifetime with the father of my children I would never ever, parade my second tries at love or nookie calls thru my childrens life! Period I would date a man for a year maybe even 2 before I introduced them to my kids....Why becasue I feel it is the smart thing to do (this of course I applied to my infant, toddler, children, when my kids were older, able to talk to me, tell me whats going on etc I would alter this plan, if and only when I truly felt I knew this man and he even wanted a relationship that involved meeting my kids!) I am at a loss for women/men that work it any other way....why would you even risk the involvment of a good guy in your kids life until you knew it would be for some time, they get attached and hurt too..adults need to take parenting more seriously.

----------------------------------You are sane! I would also castrate him along with his "hanging brain". He'd die before he got out of my house!!!

slowbutsteady
04-16-2010, 03:31 PM
he'll go to prison for sure, how long...who knows but from what I hear, prisoners do not take kindly to baby rapers so hopefully he'll get his just desert there. As far as that woman goes, she should be put in prison as well. She has no right to have custody of this precious gem. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would love to have her in their family. I will continue to pray for her safety and for her to have a stable life from now on that is full of only love. :praying:

Missizzy
04-16-2010, 03:32 PM
I would have to disagree with the doctor and say that "not all cases of child sexual abuse involve physical force." Some do, some don't. But it doesn't matter, as a child has no right to consent.

One of our children "went along with the abuse" and even returned several more times to be raped. Problem was, she was 8 years old and seriously cognitively challenged. Coercion was used however...in spades. Rewards, praise, attention, special treatment. JMO

Not a whit of this matters, however, as babies and children have NO ability or right to consent whatsoever.

Laece
04-16-2010, 03:36 PM
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I believe this truly is about total control. Not sex.

Absolutely. Control, power, and opportunity. Obviously, sex is a part of it given that it's part of the crime. But 'attraction'...not so much.

kbl8201
04-16-2010, 03:45 PM
I would have to disagree with the doctor and say that "not all cases of child sexual abuse involve physical force." Some do, some don't. But it doesn't matter, as a child has no right to consent.

One of our children "went along with the abuse" and even returned several more times to be raped. Problem was, she was 8 years old and seriously cognitively challenged. Coercion was used however...in spades. Rewards, praise, attention, special treatment. JMO

Not a whit of this matters, however, as babies and children have NO ability or right to consent whatsoever.

heck he said 'force or coercsion :waitasec: ummmmm i wonder how many sickos this guy has helped get off....seriously, if there's no phsyical force or coercsion, what else is left? :waitasec:

WhyaDuck?
04-16-2010, 06:28 PM
I am assuming the doctor was meaning that one doesn't often see this level of acute physical trauma with sexual abuse, which I think is the case as the pervs want to continue having access to the child and not get caught.

I do agree that his choice of wording was incredibly bad, and erroneous, but I am willing to try to see his point - this level of visible wounding does seem unusual when the perp is someone known to the family, IMO. (He should be more careful with his choice of terms, however.)

Columbo
04-16-2010, 08:17 PM
Alleged Toddler Rapist's Past May Shed Light on Attack
Last Update: 4/15 12:14 pm

We asked a leading psychiatrist, Dr. Fred Berlin, to review that report.

"Certainly this type of physical abuse and injury in association with sexual abuse is extremely rare. I mean the bulk of sex abuse cases, though obviously very wrong, don't involve physical force, coercion, things of that nature," said Berlin.

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"It is true that most people don't act this way even when they're intoxicated,” said Berlin, “In many cases, there's a preexisting vulnerability, but there are some drugs---PCP is one that comes to mind, where people can do things completely out of character simply because they're intoxicated with something that pushes them in a direction that they wouldn't ordinarily go."

Gifford did have the presence of mind to lock the bathroom door.

While his fate will now rest with the courts, Dr. Berlin says the young victim’s future may hinge on how she’s allowed to recover, both physically and emotionally.

"There's a difference between having been wronged and having been permanently damaged. Obviously what happened here is this child has been terribly wronged, but it would be a big mistake in my judgment like damaged goods and then, in that sense, the child picks up on it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy," said Berlin.

Article: http://www.abc2news.com/mostpopular/story/Alleged-Toddler-Rapists-Past-May-Shed-Light-on-At/NXGysJJ9XkyFjMwA7WJ4ug.cspx

Video: http://www.abc2news.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=22490@wmar.web.entriq.net

Because of his poor wording it's hard to believe this doctor is referring to this particular case.

The baby was "wronged" ? I don't think so--it's much worse than that. If the bulk of sexual abuse cases don't involve physical force, they most certainly do involve coercion. Isn't coercion what it is all about?

It sounds like the doctor is sitting back in his armchair, completely removed from reality. JMHO.

BeanE
04-16-2010, 08:22 PM
Because of his poor wording it's hard to believe this doctor is referring to this particular case.

The baby was "wronged" ? I don't think so--it's much worse than that. If the bulk of sexual abuse cases don't involve physical force, they most certainly do involve coercion. Isn't coercion what it is all about?

It sounds like the doctor is sitting back in his armchair, completely removed from reality. JMHO.

I can't even comment about that doctor or I'd have to time myself out.

BeanE
05-16-2010, 09:52 PM
Apr 20, 2010 6:22 pm US/Eastern
Abused Toddler Now Center Of Custody Case

Mike Hellgren reports there's a family feud with people on the father's side upset that the mother's side has temporary custody.

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The abuse charges have touched off a war of words and a custody battle between the baby's mother and father. Both sides spoke to WJZ.

The child's stepgrandfather, who has custody right now, calls the crime "heinous." But he says the child's mother loves her baby and has always done an excellent job raising her.

The father's relatives claim the terrifying abuse police say went on was preventable. His sister says they will fight to keep the baby. She says Gifford's criminal background concerned her and she had a protective order against him in the past She says she warned Child Protective Services several weeks before this happened.

http://wjz.com/local/ryan.gifford.2.1645584.html

CHICANA
05-16-2010, 10:35 PM
Apr 20, 2010 6:22 pm US/Eastern
Abused Toddler Now Center Of Custody Case

Mike Hellgren reports there's a family feud with people on the father's side upset that the mother's side has temporary custody.

snip

The abuse charges have touched off a war of words and a custody battle between the baby's mother and father. Both sides spoke to WJZ.

The child's stepgrandfather, who has custody right now, calls the crime "heinous." But he says the child's mother loves her baby and has always done an excellent job raising her.

The father's relatives claim the terrifying abuse police say went on was preventable. His sister says they will fight to keep the baby. She says Gifford's criminal background concerned her and she had a protective order against him in the past She says she warned Child Protective Services several weeks before this happened.

http://wjz.com/local/ryan.gifford.2.1645584.html

Is there a reason Dad wasn't immediately given custody ?

LadyL
05-16-2010, 11:10 PM
Is there a reason Dad wasn't immediately given custody ?

was wondering that too ...

CHICANA
05-16-2010, 11:56 PM
was wondering that too ...

Child's step-grandfather has custody ? I don't get this, if mom can't have custody, dad should be next in line.

Vegas Bride
05-17-2010, 01:34 AM
Is it possible that this pos put something in the mothers drink so she would sleep through this horrible crime? Something that would really mess up her thinking even after she woke up? That's the only thing I can think of to explain her actions/non-action.

VB

Angel4u2Whisper2
05-17-2010, 08:38 AM
Is it possible that this pos put something in the mothers drink so she would sleep through this horrible crime? Something that would really mess up her thinking even after she woke up? That's the only thing I can think of to explain her actions/non-action.

VB

I understand what you are saying. I am wondering though if that was the case how she was able to successfully wash and dress the baby and put her to bed before she "crashed" again?

sindydee
05-17-2010, 10:27 AM
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The only way to stop them is auto death penalty.If we cant get rid of them one way,try this.They are scum who should ALL be made to suffer what they did to the child.Send the bas%#*&( to Iraq and let them behead them!!! I am Pixxed at all of this going on!:furious:[/quot

I know. China have the right idea. In cases like this, convict and exceute. Get rid of the scum so they can't hurt anyone else. No cushy prison cell, with 3 meals a day in solitary confinement with no one to bother them. Even a wooden box in the ground is too good for them. Give the money that it would have cost to keep these animals, to the victims to help aid their recovery.

And when are police etc going to start realising that these mothers ALLOW this to happen. (obviously not in all cases) but THIS woman put her child to bed after it was quite obvious her child was so very badly injured. I mean what did she think happened she fell out the bed? This was AFTER she walked into the bathroom and they were both NAKED and just cleaned her up and put her back to suffer in her bed. I am fuming. She needs arresting for endangering her OWN childs well being. It's too much this is.

And and for this POS not remembering, isnt it strange how he REMEMBERED to lock the door, in his drunk or drugged up state (yeah right).

Filly
05-03-2011, 08:41 PM
Sentencing is in June.

Convicted of (1) count sexual abuse of a minor. Convicted (1) count of 1st degree assault.

Mom said she found the monster in the shower with her baby and he was extremely drunk.

This whole thing sickens me. All of it. All we can do is pray this poor, poor baby girl will have help along her road of life. Lord knows she got dealt an awful hand. There's no justice. There'd be no justice if they could give him the death penalty.



http://westminster.patch.com/articles/carroll-county-crime-roundup

Laddsy
05-03-2011, 10:36 PM
Oh man I feel physically ill after reading this. I am a proud father of two baby girls and if anyone even laid a finger on them they would be dead. I just dont understand it. What an absolute SICKO!

2goldfish
05-04-2011, 12:12 PM
well....at least he was convicted....there just arent enough charges to place against him to make me happy I guess. still seems to me crimes like this should have removal of the offending part(s) for a punishment....

lonetraveler
05-04-2011, 12:42 PM
he'll go to prison for sure, how long...who knows but from what I hear, prisoners do not take kindly to baby rapers so hopefully he'll get his just desert there. As far as that woman goes, she should be put in prison as well. She has no right to have custody of this precious gem. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would love to have her in their family. I will continue to pray for her safety and for her to have a stable life from now on that is full of only love. :praying:

There are so many of these cases where the mother doesn't get charged! Why? At the very least she should be sterilized so that she can never have another baby. She should serve the exact same sentence as he does IMO. He should get death.

MorenoI
05-04-2011, 01:02 PM
This mother should get charged, she just cleaned up the baby and put her to bed!

JMO:

To think that this man already had abused this child and she just went to bed maybe without a care in the world, what if he would have attacked her daughter again while she was sleeping for the 2nd time....in my opinion she was opening the door for him to have another oppurtunity to abuse her! Whether she realized it or Not!

not_my_kids
05-04-2011, 01:21 PM
This is just one of those cases...this particular type pisses me off for so many reasons. Because I have kids.
Because I can't imagine someone hurting my kids and having any other mental choice than whether I should get my child treatment first and kill the SOB later, or vice versa.
And because these cases are so hard on my family, so yeah, in a way they are a little bit personal.
People call me crazy because I allow my boyfriend to babysit my children...and then I explain my situation. Would he be doing this is he were the boyfriend I met 3 months ago? No. Would he be doing this if he hadn't had nearly daily contact with all of my kids since the day they were born? No. Would he be doing this if there were even one unexplained bruise or any trepidation towards him from my kids? No. Would he be doing this if I had found him locked in a bathroom with my bruised, bloodied, naked daughter? No, for he would be dead.
My boyfriend babysits my children because he is my best friend of ten years, has been in nearly daily contact with my kids since the day they came home from the hospital, and calls me if one of them so much as coughs. He's more paranoid than I am in most cases. One of the kids gets a minor cough, I have no problem letting it go for a day to see if I can get them to the pediatrician. he wants to take them to ER the first time they sneeze. Cases like this hurt him. I think to the physical point of actually being in pain sometimes.
He sees it as a privilege that I allow my kids to be with him. That I trust him that much, and that the kids love him just as much as I do. He hates guys like this creep, he really does. Partly because they make him look bad as part of that group of *Moms's Boyfriend*, but also because he gets it and he understands how this should work if you are going to take on a relationship with a woman that has children. And neither he nor I can see how any other guy can NOT get it. It's pretty simple. If you only want to be involved with the woman and not the kid, walk away. If you aren't one hundred percent ready to step into the role of "insta-dad", walk away. And if you are an immature jerk that craves power and control in whatever way you can get it...walk away. Period.

missy_g
05-05-2011, 03:44 AM
I am in no way standing up for this guy when I make this post.

I want to say that a 1/2 gallon of wine isn't that much, especially for a seasoned drinker. A 1/2 gallon of wine would be the same as a 40oz of beer plus some. Apparently this guy had other deep rooted issues that CAN'T be blamed on the drinking. Either this was planned or there was something seriously wrong with this man.
Do any of the articles say how long they had been dating (I'm sorry I'm horrible at reading articles, I usually read the first one and that's it because they usually say the same things over and over again)?

In this case I worry about the mother as well because seriously, how could you not wake up when your kid is being beaten and raped? Something just doesn't add up and with her cleaning the baby up then going back to sleep? I'm wondering if there is more to this case and the boyfriend isn't talking.

As a side note, I agree with what not_my_kids has said. I don't have any kids of my own but I have a niece and I would totally trust my boyfriend of 8 years with her. When it comes down to it he has done more for her then her father. If we never have kids, I know that we will always have her and she is the closest to a child I have ever had. Hell, we even call her to come out to spend time with us. I know there is a stigma when it comes to "mom's boyfriends" but that's because you never hear of the good things they can do, only the bad.

missy_g
05-07-2011, 04:49 AM
Does anyone know if the boyfriend has said anything yet?