View Full Version : Found Deceased CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #4
Salem
04-19-2010, 01:24 AM
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BeanE
04-19-2010, 05:12 AM
From revampz in previous thread
hi can I please ask...what is a "mall" in the US? is it a road that is closed off to cars and the area is still open with trees etc that you can walk through and shops on either side of the concrete...or are you talking about a shopping mall as in a big building that has shops in it??
sorry here it is the road one, but on shows you always hear they went to the "shopping mall" and I have always assumed it was a building.....
A mall is simply a group of associated businesses who rent property in relatively close proximity from the same organization who owns the property.
A mall can be a single building with all the businesses inside, or it can be multiple buildings spanning quite a large area crossing roads.
Most of the businesses are stores, but there can be other businesses - restaurants, movie theaters, and even non-retail businesses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopping_mall
Here's the website for Greeley Mall:
http://www.shopgreeleymall.com/
There's a general description, and the left column has links that list the businesses in it.
Here's a map of the mall:
http://www.shopgreeleymall.com/pages/mall_map/30.php
It looks like it's self-contained, with the movie theater inside or connected.
RubyRed
04-19-2010, 11:46 AM
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - 12 yr old Kayleah Wilson missing, Greeley #2
BeanE
04-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Most recent news article:
After 3 weeks, no sign of missing Greeley preteen
Sunday, April 18, 2010
http://www.gjfreepress.com/article/20100418/COMMUNITY_NEWS/100419956/1076
manybooks
04-19-2010, 12:17 PM
The mall property is about 1/2 mile E-W and 1/4 mile N-S. The building is completely surrounded by parking lot. The W side (where Kayleah would have been walking FROM) borders 23rd Ave and is quite busy with the movie theatre and restaurants (which are stand-alone buildings in the mall lot). As she would have probably walked along/through the S edge of the lot (along 30th st) toward the 1700 block, this area is more desolate. Very few people park here to enter the mall. This is, however, visible from semi-busy 30th street and the apts, so I would think any obviously suspicious activity would be noticed on a sunny Sunday afternoon. I am so stumped and saddened that Kayleah is still missing after 3 weeks. :(
I drive this area nearly daily and work in the area and I have to say that the first few (probably CRITICAL days) I hadn't heard about Kayleah at all. It was Weds or Thurs of that week before I even knew of her disappearance (granted, I don['t take the local paper, but I glance at it online nearly daily). I know our PD are excellent, hard-working men and women, but I think they missed some critical hours of investigating... :(
I think that's so critical minibooks. The fact that you didn't see posters everywher, hear anything on the news, etc for that many days really hurt this case. Those first hours are critical for many reasons, not the least of which is jogging the memories of people that may have seen something.
twzzlrgirl
04-19-2010, 03:48 PM
I agree. I have felt that, perhaps, there should be an age restriction with the amber alert. For example, I understand no one saw her being taken; however, under a certain age, it shouldn't matter if it's a runaway or an abduction -- the danger is HUGE either way. She's 12 years old!!! Under, say, 16, I'm wondering if an amber alert shouldn't be issued one way or the other. At least then people would be looking for her -- and at 12, everyone should have their eyes open for anything that looks suspicious!
Within just days of the 'Amber Alert' being put into law in California, we had two young teenage girls, 15 or 16, I believe, were kidnapped at gunpoint and their b/fs made to walk from the middle of nowhere, this was late at night, midnight or so.....(I may not remember exact time?) ......anyway, they implemented the 'Amber Alert' on all the signs. It was a state employee out in the middle of nowhere who spotted their vehicle as it exited the main highway and went onto a deserted country road.
Out in the middle of nowhere, the girls were confronted by their attacker with weapons. He assaulted them and then was just minutes or seconds away from killing them when..........................in swooped LE.......it was like something out of the movies....
Anyway, IMHO, the Amber Alert should be utitilized for anyone under 18, at least. LE also needs to take more seriously when teenagers disappear. They always say it's a run-a-way and they don't know. Even if the parents say their child would never do that! LE delays, delays, delays.....
Case in point, again in California,................Amber DuBois....LE was sure she ran a way and her parents knew differently.........the parents, unfortunately where right.............but she was dead before they even missed her, within 90 minutes.
They should be broadcasting this child's picture everywhere. IF it turns out there was no foul play, so be it. But she's only 12 yo.
JMHO
fran
I agree, sadly I think the age would have to be lower to avoid the system being flooded and then being ignored, but 12, there's no question there.
nursebeeme
04-19-2010, 07:04 PM
bumping up.... at the very least Kayleah will stay at the top of the websleuths missing page.
cakegirl0905
04-19-2010, 07:39 PM
Yes, I agree, 12 is so young that there should have been an Amber Alert right away.
I live very close to the area, but did not hear a word of this until someone from another state told me about it. And then it escaped my mind again until I randomly saw her picture up in a pet store. I watch the local news here-why isn't it being covered? An Amber Alert should have been put out-notifications on the highways, the radio, TV. If this was my child, I would be furious.
I didn't have time to read through all the threads, but did anyone have a take on the Brian's Dream thing-he hasn't updated her page in awhile.
RubyRed
04-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Yes, I agree, 12 is so young that there should have been an Amber Alert right away.
I live very close to the area, but did not hear a word of this until someone from another state told me about it. And then it escaped my mind again until I randomly saw her picture up in a pet store. I watch the local news here-why isn't it being covered? An Amber Alert should have been put out-notifications on the highways, the radio, TV. If this was my child, I would be furious.
I didn't have time to read through all the threads, but did anyone have a take on the Brian's Dream thing-he hasn't updated her page in awhile.
One of the criteria for an Amber Alert is the description of the vehicle. In Kayleah's case there was not any known vehicle. For it to be effective, there has to be a description of vehicle and the suspect if they have one. If Amber Alert's are over used they will become ineffective.
http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm
cakegirl0905
04-19-2010, 08:06 PM
OK, I'm just going to have to say I don't agree with that policy. A child isn't always taken by a car. (I'm thinking of that girl who was taken from her walk home-Sommer?) A small child could be snatched off the street and taken into an abandoned house or into the woods. But there would be no alert?
Maybe there should be a BOLO alert for missing children 12 and under regardless of whether they have car info or not.
nerosleuth
04-19-2010, 08:18 PM
I was thinking today that if there is a large hispanic population in the Denver-Greeley area that only speaks Spanish, has there been any missing person flier of Kayleah printed in Spanish?
Has the Spanish language news media in the Denver area been contacted?
It could be possible that someone in the area that only speaks Spanish may have saw something when Kayleah disappeared.
nursebeeme
04-19-2010, 08:53 PM
heck of a thought nerosleuth... my bil and sil are both from longmont (very close by) and the hispanic population is huge. Not to mention what if the perp is hispanic/people who would have tips don't speak English?
I hope they have done fliers in espanol for her
spamelope
04-19-2010, 09:06 PM
I was thinking today that if there is a large hispanic population in the Denver-Greeley area that only speaks Spanish, has there been any missing person flier of Kayleah printed in Spanish?
Has the Spanish language news media in the Denver area been contacted?
It could be possible that someone in the area that only speaks Spanish may have saw something when Kayleah disappeared.
We put up fliers in Ft Collins and Laramie last night-they are in English and Spanish.
eyes4crime
04-19-2010, 09:30 PM
Kayleah has now been missing 23 nights!
I know that a while back, on a long (3 or 4 day) weekend, I was on Websleuths and I saw they had discovered a small child's body along the side of the road. He was 'hispanic.' I was so upset that I tried to find anything on the internet about this. NOTHING!
So I searched until I found a HUGELY popular 'hispanic' news organization and I wrote to someone's name I found (specifically). He was very gracious and responded to my email very timely. He promised he would take care of the matter and have it aired on 'Espanol' media outlets.
The child was identified fairly swiftly.
Just, if ANYONE wants to contact a 'foreign speaking' publication or news agency within the U.S., it's WORTH IT!
fwiw,
fran
eyes4crime
04-20-2010, 01:23 AM
I know that a while back, on a long (3 or 4 day) weekend, I was on Websleuths and I saw they had discovered a small child's body along the side of the road. He was 'hispanic.' I was so upset that I tried to find anything on the internet about this. NOTHING!
So I searched until I found a HUGELY popular 'hispanic' news organization and I wrote to someone's name I found (specifically). He was very gracious and responded to my email very timely. He promised he would take care of the matter and have it aired on 'Espanol' media outlets.
The child was identified fairly swiftly.
Just, if ANYONE wants to contact a 'foreign speaking' publication or news agency within the U.S., it's WORTH IT!
fwiw,
fran
That's a GREAT idea Fran - not only for this case but for all cases. Thanks for the tip! :blowkiss:
BeanE
04-20-2010, 07:36 AM
I just checked Google news. No new news articles on Kayleah :(
redcar1
04-20-2010, 09:58 AM
I wish something would break on this case! Even if Kayleah left on her own accord, I believe someone would have had some contact with her... friends, family, etc...
She can't just vanish! Maybe LE could 'roust' up some more support by releasing one more tidbit of info they may be holding close to the vest...
JMO
Please keep Kayleah in your thought and prayers!
cakegirl0905
04-20-2010, 11:20 AM
Unfortunately people can just simply vanish. All it takes is an isolated area with no security cameras and then we have no real idea what happened to them. :(
What I think is terrible is the lack of coverage-especially locally. The general lack of awareness. I moved here from Dallas last year, and when a child went missing there it was like a media frenzy. Pictures up everywhere, news covering it for several days. It was hard to go unnoticed or forgotten, especially in the first week or two. It bothers me it isn't the same here.
cluciano63
04-20-2010, 03:10 PM
Too many possible runaway comments early on in this case, IMO, whether they were true or even actually said, some by family members or attributed to them. That makes a certain part of the brain turn off, in lots of otherwise caring people...unfortunate but true, IMO.
eyes4crime
04-20-2010, 06:05 PM
Too many possible runaway comments early on in this case, IMO, whether they were true or even actually said, some by family members or attributed to them. That makes a certain part of the brain turn off, in lots of otherwise caring people...unfortunate but true, IMO.
I agree completely! Especially in this case. Every article I read mentioned her dad in California and that was probably her destination - her stepfather brought it up for days. I can see why mom would rather think 'runaway' - abducted is really scary. Don't know what the solution might be. moo
cakegirl0905
04-20-2010, 07:07 PM
In that same vein, I just saw this post on FB. Very odd thing to say-totally implying she is a runaway:
"Kayleah, if you see these messages wouldn't it be nice to tell your mom Happy Birthday! The best present she could receive is for you to tell her Happy Birthday in person."
?
redcar1
04-20-2010, 07:30 PM
Actually... that is an excellent post. I hope she sees it! Whatever the problem(s) was/were - time heals old wounds.
Praying for Kayleah's safe return!
eyes4crime
04-20-2010, 08:24 PM
kayleah has now been missing 24 nights!
manybooks
04-20-2010, 09:07 PM
I live in Greeley, and we honestly had really less than a week of media attention for this. It makes me sick. She disappeared on a Sunday and I don't think it hit the paper until Weds or even Thursday. Then Thurs or Friday the FBI came to town - Friday and that first weekend were abuzz. Mon or Tues the following week things died off and it is nearly silent now.
Also, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think mom talked to the media more than about 15 seconds. Between the complete silence for the first few days and the nearly total family silence, I guess that is why the media has allowed it to dry up also.
Today I drove about 2 miles along 23rd Avenue right past the mall - the big main street that Kayleah must have crossed to get to the mall. NO FLYERS in sight. I saw a few last night about a mile to the west, and some that are torn (like 4 in a row for 4 blocks) about 1/2 mile S of the area. I will try to get some out In the mall area this weekend.
RubyRed
04-20-2010, 10:07 PM
I live in Greeley, and we honestly had really less than a week of media attention for this. It makes me sick. She disappeared on a Sunday and I don't think it hit the paper until Weds or even Thursday. Then Thurs or Friday the FBI came to town - Friday and that first weekend were abuzz. Mon or Tues the following week things died off and it is nearly silent now.
Also, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think mom talked to the media more than about 15 seconds. Between the complete silence for the first few days and the nearly total family silence, I guess that is why the media has allowed it to dry up also.
Today I drove about 2 miles along 23rd Avenue right past the mall - the big main street that Kayleah must have crossed to get to the mall. NO FLYERS in sight. I saw a few last night about a mile to the west, and some that are torn (like 4 in a row for 4 blocks) about 1/2 mile S of the area. I will try to get some out In the mall area this weekend.
bbm
That is not good. I think the family is going to have to keep Kayleah's face out there.
AnnieOakley
04-21-2010, 09:55 AM
In that same vein, I just saw this post on FB. Very odd thing to say-totally implying she is a runaway:
"Kayleah, if you see these messages wouldn't it be nice to tell your mom Happy Birthday! The best present she could receive is for you to tell her Happy Birthday in person."
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Thank you for posting this!!
I know it is certainly possible that K did run away... but I am having such a hard time believing that at this stage in the game. Like cakegirl said- unfortunately someone can just vanish... Seems really unlikely to me that this girl vanished like this as a run-away. Maybe if she went to a big city, and no one has recognized her, and she hasn't contacted any of her friends, and she didn't take anything with her? And a long time to be gone without even making a "call and hang up" to home... JMO
Trying not to lose hope here....
angiejean
04-21-2010, 12:28 PM
Thank you for posting this!!
I know it is certainly possible that K did run away... but I am having such a hard time believing that at this stage in the game. Like cakegirl said- unfortunately someone can just vanish... Seems really unlikely to me that this girl vanished like this as a run-away. Maybe if she went to a big city, and no one has recognized her, and she hasn't contacted any of her friends, and she didn't take anything with her? And a long time to be gone without even making a "call and hang up" to home... JMO
Trying not to lose hope here....
This bothers me too, that there has been no attempted contact. :( I think the family believed that she ran away in the beginning, from the statements mom made, and the fact mom never pleaded to a third person (someone who took Kayleah against her will) and what her FB friends and family have posted.
If Kayleahs intentions were to run away, someone else has to be involved. I'm wondering if she met someone that gained her trust, maybe even talked her into it... but that the family wasn't aware of. Someone on the outsided "fringes" of her life if that makes sense. Like a person that worked at the mall or hung out at the mall or someone she met at the library? Mabye someone was watching her and offered her a ride, she may have recognized this person from the mall or wherever, thought it was okay? Or someone who gained her trust and convinced her to leave without her belongings? As crazy as that sounds! Who knows! I just can't believe she did this on her own. She's 12 w/a family, a home and an younger brother,she has to be homesick! If she did run away, she is unable to get away at this point.
If she was abducted...would she have willingly gotten into a car with a stranger, even if she was being offered a ride? I don't believe so. But she may have gotten into a car w/someone she thought she knew or recognized, but didn't realize she could trust. If she was forced into a vehicle wouldn't there be a struggle, something someone would notice. So many questions...:banghead: moo
Still praying for you Kayleah.
cluciano63
04-21-2010, 12:29 PM
I would think that when the Laura (?) group was there, they would have spoken to Kayleah's family about how to keep her face and name in front of the media? Isn't that a part of what these groups usually do for families? I am not sure. But trying to romance the media does not come naturally to most people and if they have not had advice, they probably could use some. If Kayleah's mom's birthday is coming up, that can be the angle perhaps to interest a kind-hearted reporter...but they have to keep making attempts, in one way or another.
angiejean
04-21-2010, 12:37 PM
We MUST find Kayleah! It is imperative that we find her and that we send a message to our own children that we will not stop until they are found. That as a community of loving people, we will pray or volunteer, or do whatever we can.[/I]
Well said. :)
Praying for Kayleah, I don't know what to think, have searched so many places and I know saturday we posted flyer's behind where she lives and all through the apts. and local businesses, there were 5 in our group and I know we were all frustrated because they have us canvasing the same places. My husband and I have been looking in remote areas all over it is like there is no since of urgency and it is really upsetting me. My son lives very close to the apts. where she was to be going, and I want to just sit there for a few days and check things out but I am leaving until sunday to go visit my mom who is so weak from chemo again. If they do not come up with anything this weekend I think I will try to do that. Very little media coverage now, such small amount helping with searches, something just not right with it all and it is really bugging me. She is 12 yrs. old. I will be posting flyer's in Wyoming when I go to Thermopolis. Please keep praying for some direction.
lilcatt
04-21-2010, 12:51 PM
Good Morning, praying that Kayleah is found safe.
angiejean
04-21-2010, 01:16 PM
If Kayleah's mom's birthday is coming up, that can be the angle perhaps to interest a kind-hearted reporter...but they have to keep making attempts, in one way or another.
Good idea. Quite a few times I've emailed the local tv news sending Kudos when they covered Kayleah and questioned when they weren't, so they are probably just hitting the delete button when they see my name at this point. But it would be great to see another plea for someone who saw something to come forward. Maybe even specifically talking to people who were not at the mall but in the area. We come into Greeley to eat at those restaurants quite often on Sundays and it is busy. Perkins and Red Lobster have windows, diners may have seen something. Maybe someone staying at one of the hotels along 29th. Lots of traffic on 23rd, especially people going to and from Walmart. National news also, just in case she is not in the area or someone from out of town in the area saw something.
nursebeeme
04-21-2010, 01:23 PM
It’s been three weeks since Kayleah Wilson disappeared on the way to a birthday party in Greeley, Colorado on March 28, 2010. Search parties and volunteers have combed rivers, ponds, ditches, and conducted door to door searches, yet the clues are slim and the search has slowed.
Over the weekend, rain hindered another search for Kayleah and the search ended at 2:30 p.m., as rain continued to fall. The search has even gone to social media networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook. Anyone who has tips or information regarding Kayleah’s whereabouts or the events surrounding her disappearance is urged to report the tip.
According to the Greeley Police Department http://greeleygov.com/Police/default.aspx there is nothing to indicate that Kayleah Wilson ran away, while at the same time there is no evidence that indicates she was abducted or that foul play was involved. Police are relying on the public’s help to locate Kayleah and the FBI has offered a $20,000 reward.http://www.examiner.com/x-32312-Amber-Alerts-Examiner~y2010m4d21-Amber-Alerts-and-missing-children-cases-Kayleah-Wilson-still-missing
eyes4crime
04-21-2010, 05:56 PM
12yo Kayleah has now been missing 25 nights!
Justice for Kayleah - let's bring her home!
Starry Night
04-21-2010, 08:26 PM
25 nights and 25 days....a human being....gone! Poof! Unbelievable but true. But solveable for sure. She is somewhere..and someone knows where. Keep praying for discernment.
DairyGirl
04-21-2010, 08:28 PM
Is anyone even looking for this child? It seems to have dropped right off the radar.
My son called this afternoon and said they searched his apt. looked in all closets and around went to every apt. and the ones that did not answer they were writing down said there was a lot of LE and FBI and were there around the area at least 3 hours. Said there is still alot of activity so will keep you posted. PRAYER'S for Kayleah!
eyes4crime
04-21-2010, 09:26 PM
My son called this afternoon and said they searched his apt. looked in all closets and around went to every apt. and the ones that did not answer they were writing down said there was a lot of LE and FBI and were there around the area at least 3 hours. Said there is still alot of activity so will keep you posted. PRAYER'S for Kayleah!
LE searched your son's apartment? Does he live close to the mall? TIA
cakegirl0905
04-21-2010, 09:32 PM
How close to the mall does he live?
My son called this afternoon and said they searched his apt. looked in all closets and around went to every apt. and the ones that did not answer they were writing down said there was a lot of LE and FBI and were there around the area at least 3 hours. Said there is still alot of activity so will keep you posted. PRAYER'S for Kayleah!
Makes me wonder if they have reason to believe she's in that complex (not your son's specifically). Sightings/tips/something?
Yes he lives right across from the mall, they were searching every apt. in the area. They did not have dogs with them.
cakegirl0905
04-21-2010, 09:39 PM
Wow. Thank you for the information!
Seems like they have got something to be back over there, the first week she was missing they passed out flyer's to them but did not go in and search at their complex and sounds like they must have looked through that whole street of apts. for them to be there that long.
It also tells me they are looking for her alive. MOO
Thank you so much Roni for posting about the apartment searches. It gives me hope!!!
Kayleah we haven't forgot about you!!!
redsky
04-21-2010, 11:57 PM
I am hoping for her return.
nursebeeme
04-22-2010, 08:55 AM
bumping up for Kayleah!
Praying for Kayleah. Have not heard any more, hope to hear something today before I leave for Wyoming for the weekend. It is raining a lot here and suppose to be that way through the weekend. Not sure if they are searching this weekend, sounds like the church they are using has a funeral this weekend. May 1st they are having a motorcycle ride for anyone who wants to ride to support Kayleah and family it is free of cost and starts at Thunder Mountain at 10:00 a.m.
lilcatt
04-22-2010, 02:09 PM
Good Morning, praying for Kayleahs safe return.
angiejean
04-22-2010, 03:26 PM
Praying for Kayleah. Have not heard any more, hope to hear something today before I leave for Wyoming for the weekend.
Have a safe trip Roni. Was hoping to log on this morning and see good news! ...instead there is "nothing" in the news once again. Sorry to see that there may not be a search this weekend but hoping the rally for Kayleah will bring more attention to the areas outside of Greeley and hopefully get her back in the news!
nursebeeme
04-22-2010, 04:20 PM
this guy http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 came up on Rachel Anderson's thread and has been on the loose since 5 March... He has an extensive past including posing as a police officer. Just wanted to bring it forward
suzyq211
04-22-2010, 05:00 PM
this guy http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 came up on Rachel Anderson's thread and has been on the loose since 5 March... He has an extensive past including posing as a police officer. Just wanted to bring it forward
Thats terrifying!!!!
eyes4crime
04-22-2010, 05:20 PM
12yo Kayleah has now been missing for 26 nights!
cakegirl0905
04-22-2010, 06:52 PM
That's the scariest thing I have heard in a while!
KaylynnCouture
04-22-2010, 07:20 PM
12yo Kayleah has now been missing for 26 nights!
Grr this case is so frustrating! Where is she?????? I don't understand. :(
Praying for Kayleah to come home safe.
Sheromom
04-23-2010, 05:07 AM
So praying Kayleah comes home TODAY!!!!
nursebeeme
04-23-2010, 07:19 AM
Kayleah where are you????
revampz
04-23-2010, 07:23 AM
I cant beleive this little girl is still out there missing.....I really dont know what to think about this one but just really hope that she is in fact ok....
manybooks
04-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Tacked on to the end of the local newspaper's letter from the Editor today -
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100423/OPINION/100429858/1029&ParentProfile=1025
Keep Kayleah in your thoughts
We know the publicity surrounding missing 12-year-old Kayleah Wilson has waned. It happens. When there aren't any new leads, when searches prove fruitless, when police efforts are scaled back, people move on to other things. Life, unfortunately, must go on.
Still, we hope everyone keeps Kayleah in their thoughts. Her disappearance is disturbing and scary, and we all need to remember Kayleah during our daily routines. Somewhere out there, someone knows what happened to this girl. We all need to keep our eyes and ears open, and report any possible leads to the Greeley Police Department.
Kayleah can't be just another missing child, whose fate is never known. Please keep her in your mind and in your prayers.
Praying for Kayleah and her family and friends, getting ready to hit the road for Wyoming looks like it is going to be a wet drive. Praying for her safe return while I am gone. We will not give up on you Kayleah!!
angiejean
04-23-2010, 11:59 AM
this guy http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 came up on Rachel Anderson's thread and has been on the loose since 5 March... He has an extensive past including posing as a police officer. Just wanted to bring it forward
Omg, that is a terrifying story! And the reality that there are monsters out there right now is also terrifying!
nursebeeme
04-23-2010, 12:02 PM
Omg, that is a terrifying story! And the reality that there are monsters out there right now is also terrifying! I know! They have not caught him yet...
cluciano63
04-23-2010, 12:25 PM
As we come up upon a month since Kayleah has gone missing, I can't help but feel she is no longer alive. It has been too long for a girl her age to run away and not contact anyone in her life, IMO.
I can't help but go back to one theory I had a while back, that maybe she was hit by a car and the driver panicked, put her body in the car and drove her someplace far away. Since it seems that no one saw her walking, this could have happened very quickly and out of range of any cameras.
It is just a theory, like all others, but it would make more sense to me than her simply vanishing. And I guess I prefer to think that then to imagine her at the hands of some monster.
Of course I hope I am wrong and that Kayleah is someplace safe with someone who thinks they are doing the right thing by "protecting" her. But that scenario becomes less likely to me as weeks pass.
I will try to keep my hopes up but reality is kicking in for me...all my opinion only, as always.
swanniee11
04-23-2010, 12:28 PM
this guy http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 came up on Rachel Anderson's thread and has been on the loose since 5 March... He has an extensive past including posing as a police officer. Just wanted to bring it forward
O/T, I remember that case. As soon as I saw that Picture it came back to me. How smart was she to take that pic? I can't believe they have not found him yet.
KaylynnCouture
04-23-2010, 12:41 PM
O/T, I remember that case. As soon as I saw that Picture it came back to me. How smart was she to take that pic? I can't believe they have not found him yet.
I can't believe they haven't either. How scary. Thank God those 2 girls were able to escape.
RubyRed
04-23-2010, 07:38 PM
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eyes4crime
04-23-2010, 07:40 PM
Gosh, every time I see this thread moved to the top - I begin to think something has happened. This case is so sad!
Kayleah has been missing for 27 nights!
ThePhantom
04-23-2010, 08:21 PM
When, oh when, are they going to actually give child sex offenders the correct type of punishment? How come children are expendable? And for repeat offenders -- do they really deserve any kind of freedom since they are clearly unable to control their need to hurt innocent children? What am I missing in this equation?? It is unacceptable.
grayjay
04-23-2010, 11:08 PM
We're getting a lot of rain. I'm praying for KW and her family.
manybooks
04-24-2010, 01:06 AM
The latest article in the Greeley Tribune.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100423/NEWS/100429830/1051&ParentProfile=1001
Tips continue to trickle into the Greeley Police Department regarding the search for Kayleah Wilson — though officers have also been left to battle a false, though fast-spreading, rumor.
The department has received 40-50 tips in the last week and a half concerning the whereabouts of Kayleah, who has been missing since March 28, according to Joe Tymkowych, spokesman for the Greeley Police Department. Officers from the department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, though, remain no closer to finding the girl, Tymkowych said.
At the same time, however, the department has received “dozens” of calls concerning a rumor that Kayleah's body has been found in various places across the city. Tymkowych said there is no truth to the rumor.
“These rumors are not helping anything,” said Tymkowych, adding he did not know where the rumor started, though it has been spread, in part, via texting by school children.
Those with actual tips on the whereabouts of Kayleah are asked to call the Greeley police at (970) 350-9600 or the FBI at (800) CALL-FBI.
Sheromom
04-24-2010, 04:30 PM
Bump........can't stand for her to be on the second page; she's still just a little girl!
nursebeeme
04-24-2010, 04:35 PM
yes she is just a little girl!!!! Really ticking me off that the media is not all over her case like white on rice!
grayjay
04-24-2010, 06:10 PM
The media of Greeley shouldn't be too busy for this, even if it is a business and it's all about money. They could at least report that nothing has changed and how many hours of additional detective work and searching have taken place in the last week. It starts to look like that number might be zero.
Our sheriffs are elected officials for a reason. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best works for the first couple of weeks, and then what. It looks like they hope the public doesn't think too much about her after a while, and for lots of people that's actually plenty good enough, I guess. Until it's their own family member.
nursebeeme
04-24-2010, 06:17 PM
amen! get on it and KEEP ON IT GREELEY MEDIA!!!!
And yes I am biased.. my friend Tina Marie Harmon went missing when I was a child. If anyone could have been considered a runaway it would have been her.. trust me... and this was in the 1980s. But they worked it and they found her... I will never forget as long as I live the day they found my friend and the condition they found her in. Never.
Come on Greeley! Keep on Kayleah's case. Please. please. please.
ThePhantom
04-24-2010, 06:32 PM
I am so worried about her -- 12 is just a baby in the scheme of life -- how does a 12 year old have enough perspective to make wise choices? And even if she did have that kind of wisdom, can we trust that others around her wouldn't take advantage of her? I pray she is alright.
eyes4crime
04-24-2010, 06:52 PM
It has now been 28 nights 12yo Kayleah has been missing!
Time to find justice for Kayleah!
nursebeeme
04-24-2010, 10:09 PM
It has now been 28 nights 12yo Kayleah has been missing!
Time to find justice for Kayleah!
too many....
nursebeeme
04-24-2010, 10:39 PM
will work on canvasing media tomorrow... kayleah... you are not forgotten!
Bumping for Kayleah this morning! Praying for her return!
powayparent
04-25-2010, 12:32 PM
Perhaps the family could release more pictures of Kayleah - hopefully ones that represent her appearance at the time she disappeared - to give the media something to grab on to. Wednesday will be the 1 month anniversary and that is another "hook" for the family, friends and the online community to use to get Kayleah back into the news.
nursebeeme
04-25-2010, 02:31 PM
Tips continue to trickle into the Greeley Police Department regarding the search for Kayleah Wilson — though officers have also been left to battle a false, though fast-spreading, rumor.
The department has received 40-50 tips in the last week and a half concerning the whereabouts of Kayleah, who has been missing since March 28, according to Joe Tymkowych, spokesman for the Greeley Police Department. Officers from the department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, though, remain no closer to finding the girl, Tymkowych said.
At the same time, however, the department has received “dozens” of calls concerning a rumor that Kayleah's body has been found in various places across the city. Tymkowych said there is no truth to the rumor.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100423/NEWS/100429830/1051/RSS
jmo but fbi needs to do another presser on her case!
grayjay
04-25-2010, 02:56 PM
Rumors started by sixth graders? This sounds a lot like when they ask, "Are we there yet?" They know we're not, but just asking or pretending it is the closest to control they can feel. To me it's just another sign that the handling of PR and understanding how kids handle the shock isn't keeping up with the technology (of kids texting.)
I was so hoping for new info while I was gone. I got some flyer's posted in Casper WY and posted some in Thermopolis at the Hot Springs they get a lot of tourists there. Could not post any in the small towns on the way it was raining and too windy to get them posted on the poles outdoors and nothing was open indoors. I will get out some more this week and do some searching in remote areas. Hoping with it being close to a month we can get the media active again. It has been way to long for a 12 yr. old to be missing without any contact and do not want this to be like Jonelle Matthews 25 yrs. and still no idea who took her. Praying for Kayleah and her family.
eyes4crime
04-25-2010, 07:11 PM
12yo Kayleah has now been missing 29 nights.
Far too long for a little 12 yo girl to be away from all those she loves.
KaylynnCouture
04-25-2010, 08:46 PM
Praying for Kayleah tonight. :rose:
SusanB
04-25-2010, 11:27 PM
Just checking for any news about Kayleah. It now seems pretty unlikely for a happy ending - but God is in charge of this child, all I can do is continue my prayers.:heart:
redcar1
04-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Wishing the media would keep this beautiful girl on the screen! C'mon, NG, JVM, - the info needs to be reported!
She NEEDS to be found. Her family NEEDS answers!
JMO
Praying for a safe return!
~greeneyedgirl~
04-26-2010, 11:56 AM
I don't understand how a town doesn't find a missing child its top priority, please don't get me wrong, I'm not intentionally disrespecting Greenley but WTF!!!!!!!!!!! How is a 12 year old girl missing not #1 all day every day until she is found, to me not one thing would have priority over her.
Sorry for the rant ...............
WHERE ARE YOU kAYLEAH!!!!!!!!
eyes4crime
04-26-2010, 12:59 PM
Tonight will be 30 nights missing for Kayleah - and I'm heartbroken for her family. This little girl is missing and nobody should be ignoring it - LE and the FBI need to be hunting for her night and day. moo
grayjay
04-26-2010, 01:30 PM
Wishing the media would keep this beautiful girl on the screen! C'mon, NG, JVM, - the info needs to be reported!
She NEEDS to be found. Her family NEEDS answers!
JMO
Praying for a safe return!
Yes. And the community NEEDS to know that it's safe to be walking within a block of the mall. City planners might be explaining how a disappearance like this changes their views on mall design for a safer experience. Phone providers should be (and we could press for) looking at low-cost, easy plans for young kids to have the safety and trackability parents would support without the expense of full access/nationwide coverage.
lilcatt
04-26-2010, 01:59 PM
Good Morning, checking to see if anything new on Kayleah. What I can't understand is where is the family, why are they not out every day contacting the news media, tv programs, LE. I would be on every news program in the country. Prayers that Kayleah is found soon safe. One more question, did the father ever come from California?
eyes4crime
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
Good Morning, checking to see if anything new on Kayleah. What I can't understand is where is the family, why are they not out every day contacting the news media, tv programs, LE. I would be on every news program in the country. Prayers that Kayleah is found soon safe. One more question, did the father ever come from California?
I'll give you my take on it. In order to engage the media for a length of time, the family has to be articulate and know how to work the media...I don't think Kayleah's family knews how to do this. moo
Also, Kayleah was said to be a runaway, for the longest time, by LE and family. When this happens, seems to dampen the spirit of the search. For days the step-father suggested she ran off to be with her dad in California - dad finally left California and traveled to his daughter's hometown. moo
This run-a-way stuff has got to go - untold other children have been called run-a-ways - this category only serves to dampen the spirit and cast suspicious eyes upon the family. moo
twzzlrgirl
04-26-2010, 04:14 PM
Just checking in to see if there was any news about Kayleah....I check google every morning for new updates as well. I feel so badly for her and for her family. I pray she is found soon...
AlmostGone
04-26-2010, 10:14 PM
There is something very special about this little girl, I sure do hope they find her...
supergirl
04-26-2010, 10:21 PM
I'll give you my take on it. In order to engage the media for a length of time, the family has to be articulate and know how to work the media...I don't think Kayleah's family knews how to do this. moo
Also, Kayleah was said to be a runaway, for the longest time, by LE and family. When this happens, seems to dampen the spirit of the search. For days the step-father suggested she ran off to be with her dad in California - dad finally left California and traveled to his daughter's hometown. moo
This run-a-way stuff has got to go - untold other children have been called run-a-ways - this category only serves to dampen the spirit and cast suspicious eyes upon the family. moo
This is just so sad. I agree, and hope she is brought home soon!
nerosleuth
04-26-2010, 10:46 PM
[QUOTE=Roni;5113161] I got some flyer's posted in Casper WY and posted some in Thermopolis at the Hot Springs they get a lot of tourists there.
[QUOTE]
That's a great idea to post flyers in the northern part of Wyoming.
Look at a map, I see that Greeley isn't too far from the Wyoming and Nebraska border. I was wondering if flyers were posted in the Cheyenne area in southeastern Wyoming and the Scottsbluff area in southwestern Nebraska.
Also, have the news media from Cheyenne and Scottsbluff covered the story about Kayleah's disappearance?
I don't buy the notion that this child ran away. I believe that either she was abducted by someone or she was involved in an accident that someone covered up.
manybooks
04-26-2010, 11:48 PM
Sadly, there has been no family member or spokesperson that has gotten the attention of the media for more than 15 seconds total. This story started out slowly (unbelieveable - a 12 year old girl missing 48+ hours with NO media attention!) and fizzled after about 3 days of FBI activity. :(
On a somewhat related note, the most "in the spotlight" (media/internet, etc) person for this case has never even met Kayleah, and her motives are IMOO suspicious at best. Frustrating...
I just do not understand why there is nobody sreaming and pleading for this 12 yr. old child to be found, no searches this weekend, no searches next weekend a bike ride to support Kayleah and family this weekend if weather permits which it is suppose to be rainy so will be postponed until the 22nd. I have cried so many tears for this one I have searched many places and will continue to do so but something just is not sitting right with me and it is so very frustrating.
RubyRed
04-27-2010, 12:10 AM
Are the parents getting any guidance on how to keep Kayleahs name out there?
revampz
04-27-2010, 12:27 AM
I agree!!! I have been heavily involved lately in the Tiffany Tehan forum and so many people made comments and the amount of publicity that has been made over a woman leaving her husband with her boyfriend is madness to me and yet here we have a 12 year old girl who has been missing for nearly a month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if she has run away she may be on the streets somewhere (tho you'd think she would have been noticed)
this is scary stuff to me.
manybooks
04-27-2010, 08:28 AM
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100427/NEWS/100429695/1051&ParentProfile=1001
Stories of a missing Greeley girl being found — or her body being found — continue to circulate throughout Greeley and stream into the Greeley Police Department and to the missing girl's family.
The stories aren't true, and they're difficult for the family.
“It hurts when people do this,” said April Wilson, mother of Kayleah Wilson, 12, the Greeley girl who disappeared March 28. “It hurts because they aren't true, and because if people hear those stories, they'll stop looking for her.”
April Wilson said her 17-year-old son — Kayleah's brother, Mackenzie Wilson — hears the stories at school, the family gets calls at home saying she's been found, and her friends have also been receiving calls and text messages relaying the false stories.
“We just wish people would stop,” April Wilson said.
Greeley police spokesman Sgt. Joe Tymkowych called the rumors “counterproductive. They hurt the case and her family.”
The number of officials working the case has dropped significantly since the girl was first reported missing. There are now two Greeley detectives, two FBI agents and two agents from the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit working full-time on the case. They still have a control room set up where they take tips and keep material and information on the case.
Kayleah Wilson disappeared March 28 after she left home to walk to meet a friend for a birthday party. She apparently crossed the U.S. 34 Bypass on foot and walked through the Greeley Mall parking lot that afternoon; police have surveillance photos showing her alone in the mall parking lot.
The case has brought widespread publicity and more than 50 FBI agents came to Greeley to investigate the case for two weeks.
Police also released information about a 44-year-old man who was termed a “person of interest” in the case. The man, who once lived in two apartment complexes south of the Greeley Mall, was contacted and cleared.
The Behavioral Science Unit team from the FBI recently issued a list of behaviors that could fit a suspect, if indeed the girl has been abducted. Those behaviors include changing cars, growing or shaving off a beard, or becoming abnormally interested in the case.
The reward for information that leads to the closure of the case was raised to $20,000 because the investigators haven't been getting as many leads in recent days, said special agent-in-charge Jim Davis.
angiejean
04-27-2010, 08:58 AM
Checking in this morning. Prayers are with you Kayleah.
Arrrggg!! As a daughter of LE, I have deep respect for LE but this is becoming outrageous! I can almost understand Greeley PD because other than Jonelle back in the 80s they haven't had to deal w/something on this scale but the FBI?? They want the publics help but have not kept Kayleahs face and events surrounding her dissaperance out there? It makes no sense. If the family cannot or will not keep Kayleah in the media...LE should. moo.
nursebeeme
04-27-2010, 09:08 AM
I am wondering why LE never released the surv. pictures of Kayleah! At the least they would better show what she was wearing/what she looked like that day :-(
KaylynnCouture
04-27-2010, 09:20 AM
It makes me feel better knowing that the police and FBI still have agents and officers that are working full time on Kayleahs case. I have hope she will be found..I just pray that it's soon, and that she's alive.
angiejean
04-27-2010, 09:33 AM
I am wondering why LE never released the surv. pictures of Kayleah! At the least they would better show what she was wearing/what she looked like that day :-(
Have been wondering too. Maybe it's because she is wearing something distinctive that they have not released in her description...evidence that they will use if they come up with a suspect? Not sure how clear the video is also, if she was walking through the parking lot, it may be grainy, but it may trigger someones memory.
trigger
04-27-2010, 09:36 AM
I am wondering why LE never released the surv. pictures of Kayleah! At the least they would better show what she was wearing/what she looked like that day :-(
Thats so true. I have no idea why they won't release the video..:banghead: It would give the public more insight as to what she looks like.
I have such a strong feeling she was abducted. IDK but she could have been approached by a guy pretending to be a cop like that guy in Oregon where he kidnapped those girls ...luckily they were let go.
grayjay
04-27-2010, 09:41 AM
There are now two Greeley detectives, two FBI agents and two agents from the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit working full-time on the case. They still have a control room set up where they take tips and keep material and information on the case.
I wanted to see the surveillance images, too, but can at least think of reasons they might decide to keep them in the file. I want Kayleah found, and alive. There are crazy, sick people out there. I want them found, too, at this point.
I'm hoping they're using all they know to deliver a conviction as well answers now. They've invested so many hours in the case, and I'm pretty sure they're not wanting to write them all off and let the case go cold.
It's a relief to me, to know the command center is still in place, and it's telling that the behavioral expert is on the case.
Was glad to see the article in the Tribune today. Hoping for some new leads this week, my husband and I are going to go check out a few more remote areas weds. before we get more rain. I know they had a pizza place in Cheyenne putting flyer's out earlier on but not sure if the area towards Nebraska was covered. Prayer's for Kaleah's safe return and for her family.
RubyRed
04-27-2010, 12:24 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ht4YDxZpRBk/S7UymhtaV5I/AAAAAAAABd8/XOKRSiK9Z3I/s1600/Kayleah+Wilson+12+MISSING+Greeley+CO+March+28+2010 .jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ht4YDxZpRBk/S7UymhtaV5I/AAAAAAAABd8/XOKRSiK9Z3I/s1600/Kayleah+Wilson+12+MISSING+Greeley+CO+March+28+2010 .jpg
manybooks
04-27-2010, 01:51 PM
RubyRed
Could you please post the contents of your link? The link won't work for me. Or if that is against forum rules, could someone please summarize or email me about what RubyRed posted? Thank you!
RubyRed
04-27-2010, 02:04 PM
RubyRed
Could you please post the contents of your link? The link won't work for me. Or if that is against forum rules, could someone please summarize or email me about what RubyRed posted? Thank you!
What are you looking for at the link?
ETA: Are you talking about the missing flyer?
RubyRed
04-27-2010, 02:15 PM
manybooks: the only thing at the link is the flyer. I checked the link and it is working.
angiejean
04-27-2010, 04:11 PM
This was in todays news...not sure how to post the actual link from the news website with the story line.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23280107/detail.html
Aurora is about an 1 1/2 hour drive from Greeley. Don't know if it's related to Kayleahs case but if this turns out to be real...it shows how easily and quick this can happen. Kudos to the person who spoke up!
RubyRed
04-27-2010, 07:55 PM
This was in todays news...not sure how to post the actual link from the news website with the story line.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23280107/detail.html
Aurora is about an 1 1/2 hour drive from Greeley. Don't know if it's related to Kayleahs case but if this turns out to be real...it shows how easily and quick this can happen. Kudos to the person who spoke up!
The video has good footage of him and his truck. I feel sorry for him if he were just trying to help, it does not look like he is walking in a hurry , like they say in news story.
AnnieOakley
04-28-2010, 08:53 AM
This was in todays news...not sure how to post the actual link from the news website with the story line.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23280107/detail.html
Aurora is about an 1 1/2 hour drive from Greeley. Don't know if it's related to Kayleahs case but if this turns out to be real...it shows how easily and quick this can happen. Kudos to the person who spoke up!
"When one witness flagged down a security officer, the man let go of the girl's hand and took off"
WOW!!!
I am just awesomely impressed when people see something unusual and reach out to protect others!! I LOVE these kind of details being included in a story-- just like the security person who cracked open the Jaycee case... These people are every-day heroes to me... the kind of folks I want in my community.
I keep hoping that a story like this will help someone who knows something come forward in Kayleah's case too! :heart:
ETA: Ruby, you have a good point too... if this man was helping the little girl and not trying to kidnap her. I like to think that everyone involved was looking out for her best interest-- which would be neat! But, I'm glad the other bystander said something, just in case.
AlmostGone
04-28-2010, 12:30 PM
BUMP! Sorry, I want everyone to know about this little girl. I found out about her by chance doing a haleigh cummings google few weeks back... I'm in wisconsin and there's no news of her my way... she could be anywhere now.....
Thinking of Kayleah this morning.
trigger
04-28-2010, 12:53 PM
Thinking of Kayleah this morning.
Same here. I check in everyday.
Praying for her safe return.
nursebeeme
04-28-2010, 01:40 PM
Wilson said, regardless of the rumors, she is confident that her daughter is alive. Wilson is helping to organize a motorcycle ride throughout northern Colorado to raise awareness about her daughter’s disappearance. The bike ride will begin at Thunder Mountain at 10 a.m. on May 1. On May 15, Wilson and a friend will hand out fliers at a children’s fair at the Greeley Best Buy.
“I’m trying to keep my head up,” said Wilson. “I’m trying to keep hopes highhttp://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23283488/detail.html
RubyRed
04-28-2010, 01:51 PM
Wilson said, regardless of the rumors, she is confident that her daughter is alive. Wilson is helping to organize a motorcycle ride throughout northern Colorado to raise awareness about her daughter’s disappearance. The bike ride will begin at Thunder Mountain at 10 a.m. on May 1. On May 15, Wilson and a friend will hand out fliers at a children’s fair at the Greeley Best Buy.
“I’m trying to keep my head up,” said Wilson. “I’m trying to keep hopes highhttp://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23283488/detail.html
Thank You for that article. I was wondering what the plans were to keep Kayleah's name out there.
lilcatt
04-28-2010, 03:24 PM
I want to tell my story about my daughter. She ran away when she had just turned 15. I contacted LE the night she left, of course I was told they could not take a report for 48 hours. I did get the cop to put the word out on his police radio. My daughter had never ran away before. My son said she talked about going to New York. There was a little piece put in the paper. I never doubted she ran away, it never occurred to me that something might have happened to her. I spent two weeks contacting her friends, asking them of names of other people who might know her. I contacted everyone every day. No one came forth with news. I finely contacted the right people, I never had heard of them. They said they had taken her to the airport and she had flown to Hawaii. I was on the next plane to Hawaii. I didn't find her, but I made contact with a Christen group that helps look for run away's. When I got back from Hawaii, I continued contacting everyone I could, i talked to the Mothers ask them to talk to their kids. Finely one of her friend told me she had called one of her other friends. To make a long story short, with the help of Oahu telephone co, we were able to pin point where she was and she was found. The reason I am telling this is Kayleah's mother and brother have got to keep up the pressure on anyone that Kayleah might know. I mean be relentless. I don't believe at this late date Kayleah she ran away, but it never hurts to cover all bases. Kids keep secrets, they do not tell their parents everything. Pressure has to be put on them to get them to tell what they might know. If I had just put up flyers around town I would never have found my daughter. That was 30 years ago
ThePhantom
04-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Thank you for sharing your story. There's nothing like the voice of experience to enlighten one's perspective.
AlmostGone
04-28-2010, 11:20 PM
I want to tell my story about my daughter. She ran away when she had just turned 15. I contacted LE the night she left, of course I was told they could not take a report for 48 hours. I did get the cop to put the word out on his police radio. My daughter had never ran away before. My son said she talked about going to New York. There was a little piece put in the paper. I never doubted she ran away, it never occurred to me that something might have happened to her. I spent two weeks contacting her friends, asking them of names of other people who might know her. I contacted everyone every day. No one came forth with news. I finely contacted the right people, I never had heard of them. They said they had taken her to the airport and she had flown to Hawaii. I was on the next plane to Hawaii. I didn't find her, but I made contact with a Christen group that helps look for run away's. When I got back from Hawaii, I continued contacting everyone I could, i talked to the Mothers ask them to talk to their kids. Finely one of her friend told me she had called one of her other friends. To make a long story short, with the help of Oahu telephone co, we were able to pin point where she was and she was found. The reason I am telling this is Kayleah's mother and brother have got to keep up the pressure on anyone that Kayleah might know. I mean be relentless. I don't believe at this late date Kayleah she ran away, but it never hurts to cover all bases. Kids keep secrets, they do not tell their parents everything. Pressure has to be put on them to get them to tell what they might know. If I had just put up flyers around town I would never have found my daughter. That was 30 years ago
Thank you for your story, im sure you feel blessed to be so lucky to have your child found... good job mom!
eyes4crime
04-28-2010, 11:26 PM
Little 12yo Kayleah has been missing 32 nights!
We need to assure justice for Kayleah!!!!!
swanniee11
04-29-2010, 09:12 AM
bumping for Kayleah, I hate you see her at the bottom of the page.
Lighting a candle every night for you Kayleah, it is time to come home precious child. Prayer's to your family and loved ones.
lilcatt
04-29-2010, 01:23 PM
Good Morning, Praying Kayleah is found safe
RubyRed
04-29-2010, 10:56 PM
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Ask for assistance with distribution of posters and fliers. Ask each agency what types of services it has available to assist with the search. Addresses and phone numbers for the missing children’s clearinghouses in the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, and Puerto Rico are listed in the Additional Resources section of this Guide. Some parents create a Web site to gather information on potential leads. Talk to your law enforcement agency about this and ask for its input. Use only screened and trusted volunteers to manage the Web site.
Keep community awareness of your plight at a high level.
If your child has been missing for several years, ask NCMEC to develop an age-progressed picture, then place this picture next to the original picture on shirts, buttons, and posters. Chapter 4 contains sample fliers you can use as models for your own fliers. Also, if there is new information about your child—such as a sighting or an interesting lead—make sure that the public is kept informed. But before you disclose any information, be sure to consult with your law enforcement contact so the investigation is not compromised.
Keep the media interested and involved.
Chapter 3 contains ideas for keeping the media interested in your story.
Make a list of things that others can do to help.
As long as you have specific tasks for for volunteers to perform, they won’t go away.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/204958/ch1.html#ch1-4
eyes4crime
04-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Kayleah has now been missing 33 nights!
Nightly mantra: - justice for Kayleah!
manybooks
04-30-2010, 01:08 AM
http://thekalyeahwilsonreoveryfund.webs.com/
Another way to keep spreading the word and keep Kayleah's beautiful face out there.
HOWEVER, I must add this disclaimer - There are things that really concern me about this. but I will note that I wish they didn't name the website with the word "fund" - It should be about Kayleah. , not about money - and I will advise people to do their research before making any kind of donation if you aren't fully aware of where the $ is going and/or who is managing the fund.
Calliope
04-30-2010, 01:32 AM
http://thekalyeahwilsonreoveryfund.webs.com/
Another way to keep spreading the word and keep Kayleah's beautiful face out there.
HOWEVER, I must add this disclaimer - There are things that really concern me about this, but I will note that I wish they didn't name the website with the word "fund" - It should be about Kayleah. , not about money - and I will advise people to do their research before making any kind of donation if you aren't fully aware of where the $ is going and/or who is managing the fund.
I don't trust that site. First of all, I can't find anything on a whois search. The webs.com is a FREE hosting site, so their little blurb that states "Thank you for your donations and help. Every little bit helps." is rather vague as to where the money is going. No indication at all who is behind this site, and what little information they have is easily found elsewhere (in fact, there is a significant lack of information). Under the link "about us", it simply says, "Kayleah is described as 5-foot-1, 145 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white and pink shirt over a white tank top, blue jeans, and white and red shoes. Kayleah has been missing since March 28,2010 3:40 PM from Greeley CO."
That was not written by anyone in the family.
Last but not least, they left the "c" out of recovery.
IMO, it's a scam :(
eta: this isn't anything against you in any way, manybooks.
Calliope
04-30-2010, 01:44 AM
They have a "contact us" link. I asked them straight out who started the site and where the donations go... I'll post any answer I get.
RubyRed
04-30-2010, 01:46 AM
The site owner is the same one that runs the FB account IIRC. If you look under members there appear to be family members and says who site owner is. I am not sure it is a scam.
http://thekalyeahwilsonreoveryfund.webs.com/apps/members/
Calliope
04-30-2010, 01:49 AM
The site owner is the same one that runs the FB account IIRC. If you look under members there appear to be family members. I am not sure it is a scam.
http://thekalyeahwilsonreoveryfund.webs.com/apps/members/
Thanks. I hope they answer my question as to where the money goes.
angiejean
04-30-2010, 10:51 AM
Checking in and bumping up for Kayleah. I can't believe it's been a month and still no sign of her. Praying!!
manybooks
04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
IMO, it's a scam :(
eta: this isn't anything against you in any way, manybooks.
I *totally* understand - as a matter of fact the reason I posted the comment under the link is because i *know* of reasons why the site owner is not trustworthy, and it makes me sad that she (who was a stranger to Kayleah's family) has gained their trust, and ANGRY that she is possibly now blatantly soliciting funds in kayleah's name.
I believe that she is partially legitimately, honestly acting in empathy and wanting to help. But I *know* (and this information is partly from personal experience, and partly from things that are public record - do some basic sluething) she should NOT be trusted with money! I wish I knew how to deal with this! I don't feel that I can just call up Kayleah's family and warn them about her... and she honestly IS giving her time and energy toward helping in the search for Kayleah... AND maybe (i HOPE) that she is not dealing with the money. Given her history, if she has entirely honest and selfless intentions to help Kayleah and her family, she (the site owner) should step back completely from the finances. And given the name of the website, it does not appear that way to me. :furious:
angiejean
04-30-2010, 01:09 PM
she (the site owner) should step back completely from the finances. And given the name of the website, it does not appear that way to me. :furious:
Agreeing...I couldn't find any info on where the donations are going on the website. A website promoting themselves as a "fund" and asking for donations especially in such a delicate situation as Kayleahs dissaperance should have a clear explanation as to the purpose of why and where the monies are going. Good intentions or not...when money is involved, there are always legal issues that could come up. If it were me, I would have a comittee formed (w/a treasurer) pronto to take care of the different aspects and to cover my back just in case. I would also put the "c" back in recovery. :) (moo..as always)
eyes4crime
04-30-2010, 05:36 PM
12yo Kayleah has now been missing 34 nights!
How 'bout some justice for Kayleah?
RubyRed
04-30-2010, 05:52 PM
http://thekalyeahwilsonreoveryfund.webs.com/
Another way to keep spreading the word and keep Kayleah's beautiful face out there.
HOWEVER, I must add this disclaimer - There are things that really concern me about this, but I will note that I wish they didn't name the website with the word "fund" - It should be about Kayleah. , not about money - and I will advise people to do their research before making any kind of donation if you aren't fully aware of where the $ is going and/or who is managing the fund.
All I am getting now is "page not found". Has anyone else tried and is it working?
powayparent
04-30-2010, 06:35 PM
All I am getting now is "page not found". Has anyone else tried and is it working?
It looks like it's been taken down. Hopefully the person who initiated the site had good intentions but found a better way to raise any necessary funds.
cluciano63
04-30-2010, 06:35 PM
I hope they can find someone more literate at the school or library maybe who could put up a page, and that is clear in its intentions as to collect funds for searches, billboards, or whatever. Having dubious sites such as the one above may be is not going to help if it drives people away. I am sure someone qualified will donate their time to build a site.
Calliope
04-30-2010, 06:40 PM
All I am getting now is "page not found". Has anyone else tried and is it working?
Not working for me either.
FWIW, I never got a response to my question regarding who started the site and where the money goes.
If a fund can't spell Kayleah or recovery, that says it all.
powayparent
04-30-2010, 07:07 PM
This seems to the be new URL: http://kayleahwilsonrecoveryfund.webs.com/
I don't know if it's a legitimate site or not.
Calliope
04-30-2010, 07:13 PM
If a fund can't spell Kayleah or recovery, that says it all.
Seems the new site fixed that. I sent another email asking for details as to where the donations go.
RubyRed
04-30-2010, 07:27 PM
Seems the new site fixed that. I sent another email asking for details as to where the donations go.
The new site has only 1 member.
http://kayleahwilsonrecoveryfund.webs.com/apps/members/
Calliope
04-30-2010, 07:47 PM
It seems to be a work in progress.
BeanE
04-30-2010, 08:58 PM
All I am getting now is "page not found". Has anyone else tried and is it working?
I'm getting Page Not Found now. I tried it earlier when I saw the initial posts and it came up. I clicked the Donation button and it said it wasn't yet activated. Something about having to wait 7 days on that site for some kind of activation.
MT's personal fb page has a post on her wall about April (I am assuming meaning Kayleah's mom) and her making the above mentioned website together on 4/28/10.
The twitter link on the above website goes directly to April's personal twitter account that she had prior to Kayleah going missing.
Bumping this morning for Kayleah...
Calliope
05-01-2010, 08:38 AM
MT's personal fb page has a post on her wall about April (I am assuming meaning Kayleah's mom) and her making the above mentioned website together on 4/28/10.
The twitter link on the above website goes directly to April's personal twitter account that she had prior to Kayleah going missing.
Thanks :)
I've not received an answer to my email. As soon as I do I'll post it here.
RubyRed
05-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Awareness Ride for Kayleah Wilson
Saturday May 1, 2010 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM
This ride is open to anyone and everyone that wants to attend! There is no fee/cost for this ride. It is simply a ride to show the family of Kayleah and the community of Greeley that they have support.
http://kayleahwilsonrecoveryfund.webs.com/apps/calendar/showEvent?calID=4500700&eventID=77879678&next=showMonth%3fcalID%3d4500700%26month%3d4%26yea r%3d2010
Did anyone attend this and if you did how was it?
eyes4crime
05-01-2010, 09:24 PM
Rain hampered already-slow search efforts Saturday for Kayleah Wilson, 12, the sixth-grader from Greeley who has been missing since March 28.
Michelle Thompson, who has organized a Facebook page in support of Kayleah, called off the effort at 2:30 p.m. as rain began to steadily fall on searchers. Even before the rain appeared, Thompson said search efforts had grown “very, very slow.”
In all, 52 people showed up Saturday at Journey Christian Church, 2332 27th St. in Greeley, to search for Kayleah.
“It just seems to be at a standstill,” Thompson said. “I just wish that we could get more people out there so we could cover more area. The police don't have the manpower, and as long as we can have the community help out, that's all that really counts.”
“It's just getting them out there to help.”
Earlier in the week, the Federal Bureau of Investigation scaled back its forces looking for Kayleah, though tips on her whereabouts are still being accepted. Authorities also increased the reward for information leading to her discovery to $20,000.
~~snip~~
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100418/NEWS/100419640
nursebeeme
05-01-2010, 09:46 PM
I am absolutely devestated at how LE is handling her case!!!! They are literally killing public support with their approach and responses! I am speechless!
eyes4crime
05-01-2010, 10:02 PM
I am absolutely devestated at how LE is handling her case!!!! They are literally killing public support with their approach and responses! I am speechless!
LE calls Kayleah a run-away and right away that dampens the spirit of those who may search...why search if she ran away?
By the time LE begin to rethink the scenario, days have gone by - trash bins emptied, motel rooms cleaned, memories fading, evidence destroyed, and for most, interest carries no urgency.
My biggest concern is this could become a trend - call the child a run-a-way and the perp has few immediate worries. Call the child a run-a-way and the cost of the investigative search becomes another county or state's problem. Call the child a run-a-way and soon the perp will stage all abductions to look like a run-a-way. I call that serious!!! moo
cluciano63
05-01-2010, 10:50 PM
I noticed that Kalyeah's father has that website showing on his FB page...so it must be something he is aware of, whether or not it was set up very professionally.
BeanE
05-02-2010, 08:42 AM
Public's eye is much keener for Kayleah's case
Sunday, May 2, 2010
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100502/NEWS/100509930/1002&parentprofile=1001
Missing girl cases as different as they are similar
Probe's intensity, tools are far advanced since 1984
Sunday, May 2, 2010
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100502/NEWS/100509935/1002&parentprofile=1001
eyes4crime
05-02-2010, 08:59 AM
Public's eye is much keener for Kayleah's case
Sunday, May 2, 2010
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100502/NEWS/100509930/1002&parentprofile=1001
Missing girl cases as different as they are similar
Probe's intensity, tools are far advanced since 1984
Sunday, May 2, 2010
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100502/NEWS/100509935/1002&parentprofile=1001
Looks like the point of the articles is to compare Kayleah's case to one of 26 years ago. HUH! 26 years ago there was no internet, no DNA, and forensics was at a minimum - why the comparison? What does a 26yo case have to do with Kayleah's case of today. LE called kayleah a run-a-way in the beginning and continue to say they have no evidence that she did or didn't. Why doesn't LE realize most people view her as a run-a-way and that's why the lack of response, interest, and urgency. moo
ETA: I understand mom, step dad and who knows who else, think Kayleah ran away - I also realize that for moms, it's easier to think 'run-a-way' than the alterntive.
suzyq211
05-02-2010, 01:21 PM
LE calls Kayleah a run-away and right away that dampens the spirit of those who may search...why search if she ran away?
By the time LE begin to rethink the scenario, days have gone by - trash bins emptied, motel rooms cleaned, memories fading, evidence destroyed, and for most, interest carries no urgency.
My biggest concern is this could become a trend - call the child a run-a-way and the perp has few immediate worries. Call the child a run-a-way and the cost of the investigative search becomes another county or state's problem. Call the child a run-a-way and soon the perp will stage all abductions to look like a run-a-way. I call that serious!!! moo
You and me both!!!!!!
AlmostGone
05-02-2010, 03:59 PM
Lets hope we hear something great today like they find her.... wouldnt that be great!!!!!
cluciano63
05-02-2010, 04:09 PM
I'm not sure that LE can be blamed too harshly here...they investigated to the best of their ability once they got going and utilized FBI, which many agencies refuse to do...I think they simply ran out of ideas and have no suspects. Family members mentioned the dreaded "run away" phrase early on, IIRC, and unfortunately, that sticks in many peoples' heads. But I doubt many people still think that...it has been too long. I know there is lots of frustration but sometimes there is just no evidence to direct the case toward a solution. I do think they should start over...re-interview, do a recreation of Kayleah walking, show the video, etc...maybe something will come out of that. That is about all I can think of, though I would like to know (still-have been wondering) if truckers have her info. across the country? This may have been mentioned but cannot remember.
nursebeeme
05-02-2010, 04:55 PM
I'm not sure that LE can be blamed too harshly here...they investigated to the best of their ability once they got going and utilized FBI, which many agencies refuse to do...I think they simply ran out of ideas and have no suspects. Family members mentioned the dreaded "run away" phrase early on, IIRC, and unfortunately, that sticks in many peoples' heads. But I doubt many people still think that...it has been too long. I know there is lots of frustration but sometimes there is just no evidence to direct the case toward a solution. I do think they should start over...re-interview, do a recreation of Kayleah walking, show the video, etc...maybe something will come out of that. That is about all I can think of, though I would like to know (still-have been wondering) if truckers have her info. across the country? This may have been mentioned but cannot remember.
they have completely DROPPED THE BALL
IMHOO.
for example where are they NOW?
eyes4crime
05-02-2010, 05:02 PM
they have completely DROPPED THE BALL
IMHOO.
for example where are they NOW?
I agree completey nurse! They sure have!! And what about the video that supposedly caught Kayleah outside the mall? Where did it go?
And what about the two witnesses who identified her as being outside the mall?
Absolutely nothing was given to the public to keep this case in the forefront. The way Kayleah's case is being handled is a disgrace. all just my opinions
Natal
05-02-2010, 05:09 PM
they have completely DROPPED THE BALL
IMHOO.
for example where are they NOW?
They can only investigate leads they have, and if they have no leads it doesn't make sense spending limited resources (which other cases are demanding as well) doing random things in the hopes of getting lucky. It becomes a resource management issue - the cases most likely to be advanced are those that are going to get resources, as it should be.
People have this thought that LE has infinite resources when in fact they do not, and in most cases don't have anything near what they need.
nursebeeme
05-02-2010, 05:11 PM
LE: issues warning to be aware of what a predator might do in this case
LE: doesn't say another DAMN THING FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS GOING ON FOUR.
Sorry folks but WTF?????
My very best friend was abducted raped and murdered from a small town. I do not buy this LE response and I am not just about to puke... I already have. Colorado... get your freaking sh^t together! Please do it already for the love of God and all other things holy!
nursebeeme
05-02-2010, 05:12 PM
They can only investigate leads they have, and if they have no leads it doesn't make sense spending limited resources (which other cases are demanding as well) doing random things in the hopes of getting lucky. It becomes a resource management issue - the cases most likely to be advanced are those that are going to get resources, as it should be.
People have this thought that LE has infinite resources when in fact they do not, and in most cases don't have anything near what they need. nothing prevents them from keeping a case in peoples minds. Only they can do that. And they have.
the only bonafide efforts btw to keep her story in the media was done by normal human beings going about their day and being concerned.... oh and I forgot to add the ERRANT Greeley press piece where they said that news her body was found was a rumor. Thanks Greeley Press. (any articles after that one to update the search? I haven't seen one but if there was one please someone post it)
cluciano63
05-02-2010, 06:08 PM
I disagree, that's all. I don't think Greeley LE has given up on this case, but that the case is stalled. When they issued the info on things to look out for, suspect-wise, that was just in case someone was acting strangely...they were not saying, as far as I can tell, that there WAS a person out there who had abducted her. I have seen that same info released in other cases, as a back-up measure, when LE has no clue what has happened. And we do not know, as always, anything they might be working on behind the scenes.
I do think they should show the video, if they have one, but not sure what else they can do? Every LE department in the country has far more cases than resources and I would bet that detectives in Greeley think about Kayleah all the time...but what, exactly, do you want them to do, really? I just am not sure...I have followed this case from day one and have all sorts of feelings for Kayleah, but this does not mean I am blaming the police for not finding her. JMO
ThePhantom
05-02-2010, 07:40 PM
Sad, sad, sad -- any time a child is observed to be missing from his/her usual routine with no communication to parents/friends, an Amber Alert should be issued. Is it extra work for the police? I suppose so -- but -- it is the best way to hedge our bets when it comes to protecting minors. I mean, they simply don't have the judgement *at all* to make good decisions -- they just don't. This is not the first time I've seen a case in which a minor goes missing and an Amber Alert is not issued because it didn't "meet criteria." The criteria needs to be widened to include situations like this. I don't give a damn if it's a runaway. Young runaways are the perfect prey for sex offenders and nutcases.
RubyRed
05-02-2010, 07:49 PM
Sad, sad, sad -- any time a child is observed to be missing from his/her usual routine with no communication to parents/friends, an Amber Alert should be issued. Is it extra work for the police? I suppose so -- but -- it is the best way to hedge our bets when it comes to protecting minors. I mean, they simply don't have the judgement *at all* to make good decisions -- they just don't. This is not the first time I've seen a case in which a minor goes missing and an Amber Alert is not issued because it didn't "meet criteria." The criteria needs to be widened to include situations like this. I don't give a damn if it's a runaway. Young runaways are the perfect prey for sex offenders and nutcases.
What are the criteria for issuing AMBER Alerts?
*Law enforcement must confirm that an abduction has taken place
*The child is at risk of serious injury or death
*There is sufficient descriptive information of child, captor, or captor's vehicle to issue an alert
*The child must be 17 years old or younger
*It is recommended that immediate entry of AMBER Alert data be entered in FBI's National Crime Information Center. Text information describing the circumstances surrounding the abduction of the child should be entered, and the case flagged as Child Abduction.
Overuse of AMBER Alert could result in the public becoming desensitized to Alerts when they are issued.
http://www.amberalert.gov/faqs.htm#faq10
There was no known vehicle, so an Amber Alert would have been useless.
Blondie in Spokane
05-02-2010, 07:49 PM
Well said Phantom! ITA!!
RubyRed
05-02-2010, 09:47 PM
BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)
http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/
For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!
eyes4crime
05-02-2010, 10:22 PM
BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)
http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/
For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!
Unbelievable! I don't know if I could take that guy on - but I do carry a small flip-video camera for the purpose of capturing on video a missing child and/or an abductor. How could a person not take the time to call 911?
A good morning "bump" for Kayleah.
Praying for Kayleah and family. Hoping the weather is nice this weekend so some more searching can be done. I wish there was something to go on and that they would release that video seems like it is all we have to go on.
human
05-03-2010, 07:46 PM
I agree that an Amber Alert might become ho hum if it was overused, just like the code alerts in the airport are.
Perhaps there could be a different alert-a Kayleah alert for a missing child-whereabouts unknown. Be on the lookout.
I agree that an Amber Alert might become ho hum if it was overused, just like the code alerts in the airport are.
Perhaps there could be a different alert-a Kayleah alert for a missing child-whereabouts unknown. Be on the lookout.
This is such a tough one. I totally agree that something needs to be done to distinguish these cases. I am lucky (I guess you can call it that, LOL) to know and be on good terms with several people in LE from a variety of agencies and have spent the past couple of weeks really talking about and delving into the issues with MP.
The biggest problem is the sheer volume of MP/TRAK/BOL flyers they receive daily. One Lt. I talked to who works MP's for a midsize county receives an average of 15 a day for his own county alone. 99% of these are runaways and group home issues that are often solved in a day or two on there own but have to be followed up because nobody bothers to call in and let them know the person came back. He is also in charge of rape/sexual assault, crimes against children and MP's, you can kind of see which one is going to take the lowest priority generally speaking. That is just what comes in from his direct county. Then you add on to that the Wanted and MP flyers from surrounding counties and states and he literally has a weekly stack that is about 10 inches tall (I saw it, no joke). And then there are the ones that haven't even printed yet. It's up to 1 person to go through hundreds of these a week and figure out which ones are a priority and which aren't all the while working on cases and investigations for rape, child abuse, etc. It's just not humanely possible to do this effectively.
In a case like Kayleah's her age should be a trigger and should put her at the forefront, but the sad fact is that 12 yo's running away is all too common and calls are made all the time looking for them. Generally they just show back up and we never hear about it, but it's not an unusual thing at all.
With a recent autistic case I was working I was lucky enough to know someone in the next county, call them up and tell them where the MP would cross over if they did jump county lines so those areas were notified. That's not a luxury most people have. And with caseloads it's not something LE often has time for either. Very few depts have a dedicated officer to MP and/or if they do they are working a ton of cases. People were bashing the LE in the autistic case for not doing enough. In reality they had searched everywhere they could think of near his home and local haunts. They were following up on leads, but in the meantime, the detective was also prepping for two murder trials and in court on a third as well as investigating a murder the same weekend. Nothing gets to stop and he couldn't go to the court and stop that ball rolling. KWIM?
I don't see how the system will change, they are short staffed, some are working as hard as they can and some are just incompetent but either way it's the govt. and we can't change their procedures. What we can do however is learn how to make a difference as a community. In the coming weeks you will hear more from me on how this can happen. In the mean time, if someone goes missing in your area get out there and start IMMEDIATELY. The first 24 hours is critical. We are lucky on these boards, we tend to hear about things quicker than the GP. Pepper the area with flyers, talk to other community members and make sure everyone knows about the MP, go and hike areas that are open to the public and look for the person, search your own property if you live near the PLS. Do not interfere with LE but do ask what you can do, if they say nothing then take the steps above and do them. There is way more that can be done by the community than generally is.
HTH
human
05-03-2010, 11:34 PM
sarx, I understand what you are saying, but how hard would it be to have a computer program set up and the info is sent out immediately to TV and radio and whatever else to announce that a child is missing in your town?
The city council can pass a law that if a child is missing and comes back and it not reported to LE, there is a fine. Just like with alarms going off at a house. There is a fine where I live. I think that it's the third time and the homeowner gets fined if it's a fake alarm.
Our city council just passed a law that if a teen is missing, there is an immediate alert, not 24 hours. That was based on a teen that has not been found.
I think it can be done.
There already is just that computer system in place. The problem is it spits out MP cases pretty much non stop.
eyes4crime
05-04-2010, 12:13 AM
kayleah has now been missing 37 nights
trigger
05-04-2010, 12:50 AM
I'm really shocked that she hasn't been found. I was hoping her family would have found out who she left with in the very beginning but I was totally wrong. So sad...Where is she? Where can this child be? Everyday I pray for her safe return. Hoping today for some good news.
JLMcKenna83
05-04-2010, 11:20 AM
IMO, her family never should have said that it's possible that Kayleah ran away.
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-04-2010, 11:36 AM
sarx, I understand what you are saying, but how hard would it be to have a computer program set up and the info is sent out immediately to TV and radio and whatever else to announce that a child is missing in your town?
The city council can pass a law that if a child is missing and comes back and it not reported to LE, there is a fine. Just like with alarms going off at a house. There is a fine where I live. I think that it's the third time and the homeowner gets fined if it's a fake alarm.
Our city council just passed a law that if a teen is missing, there is an immediate alert, not 24 hours. That was based on a teen that has not been found.
I think it can be done.
Excellent! That is a community response in itself- concerned citizens pushing for what they want given their own unique experiences within their community.
Sarx, on the other hand I know where you are coming from- we quite literally cannot take a weekend off, without (as in yesterdays case...and many others...) coming back to half a dozen new requests for MP's that have come in over the 36 hrs we were gone. And we are private. LE has 10 times as many- we get the prefiltered and specialized versions.
It is a tough call all around, but I do feel community and grassroots response is the way to continually move forward.
JTSYS
angiejean
05-04-2010, 11:55 AM
There already is just that computer system in place. The problem is it spits out MP cases pretty much non stop.
Thanks for your insight on the LE side Sarx, good information :)
I have a question regarding Amber Alert. I admit I'm naive regarding the runaway statistics in our country....and do agree not wanting to desensitize the Amber Alert system with an overload of missing persons...but I spent the day yesterday w/ a group of 12yr old girls from all walks of life and all maturity levels. To me, even the most "mature" of the group would not stand a chance out there on her own as a runaway (without help from someone else, which is a crime in most states).
So to me...a child 12 and under who is missing for whatever circumstances (runaway, custody, etc.) should be considered seriously endangered! Between our changing society (technology, internet, what our media is teaching kids what is acceptable, budget cuts in LE, and even the way we parent these days) and the fact there are so many unregistered sex offenders and truly evil people out there, who know how to take advantage of these situations, I just have a feeling we are going to see more horrible things happen to children under the guise of "runaway". Hope I don't sound paranoid in saying this.
So would it be so detrimental to the Amber Alert to add a child 12 and under as a child in danger to the criteria?
I just can't help but feel so discouraged that it took 3 days for Kayleah's case to hit the media. moo
IMO, her family never should have said that it's possible that Kayleah ran away.
I 100% believe that Kayleah's disappearance being viewed by LE and some family as a possible runaway at first caused huge damage. BUT on the otherhand, IF a child does have a past history of running away, I certainly don't want parents lying to LE either- then when that lie is found out you have suspicion pointed at the wrong person(s) for what may be wrong reasons.
Based on the reports that her older brother M. told his classmates at school that "Kayleah had run away again..." It seems like the police and her family did assume that this again was the same.
In the Today show interview with April Wilson when asked by the reporter if April thought Kayleah had run away, April paused and then said if she had run away, she would have been home by now... (not exact quotes, going from memory here)
I think there was some legitimate reason that family members may have believed that she did run away *at first.* Not sure if that is because of past actions, or a dispute between family members, or what? But I think there was reason for her case to be viewed by LE as a runaway in the beginning.
JLMcKenna83
05-04-2010, 12:02 PM
When they stated she ran away, they also threw in the quip that it could possibly be to get an abortion. While we are a forward thinking country, stating that your 12 yr old ran away to get an abortion immediately kills any interest at all into finding that child.
imo of course...
When they stated she ran away, they also threw in the quip that it could possibly be to get an abortion. While we are a forward thinking country, stating that your 12 yr old ran away to get an abortion immediately kills any interest at all into finding that child.
imo of course...
Ugghhh yes recalling this again. Thanks for that reminder. Terrible thing to come out of a family member's mouth.
Kayleah where are YOU? :(
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-04-2010, 12:14 PM
I 100% believe that Kayleah's disappearance being viewed by LE and some family as a possible runaway at first caused huge damage. BUT on the otherhand, IF a child does have a past history of running away, I certainly don't want parents lying to LE either- then when that lie is found out you have suspicion pointed at the wrong person(s) for what may be wrong reasons.
Based on the reports that her older brother M. told his classmates at school that "Kayleah had run away again..." It seems like the police and her family did assume that this again was the same.
In the Today show interview with April Wilson when asked by the reporter if April thought Kayleah had run away, April paused and then said if she had run away, she would have been home by now... (not exact quotes, going from memory here)
I think there was some legitimate reason that family members may have believed that she did run away *at first.* Not sure if that is because of past actions, or a dispute between family members, or what? But I think there was reason for her case to be viewed by LE as a runaway in the beginning.
IMHO, a 'run away' child (under the age of 16- and ESPECIALLY under 12) is one of the highest risk groups out there. Yes, many return home soon. Equally as many do not- and when they do not, they end up hurt, abused, and frequently dead.
I don't fully understand why the misconception of a 'run away' translates into 'will turn up at some point' among both LE and the general public. LE knows well what happens to runaways.
They frequently do not make it back home. They turn up in morgues or ditches on the side of the road, or abused in a culture of prostitution, substance abuse, or worse.
A missing child is exactly that- a child who is missing: whereabouts unknown and for reasons unknown. I feel they should be treated equally. JMO.
JTSYS
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-04-2010, 12:22 PM
Ugghhh yes recalling this again. Thanks for that reminder. Terrible thing to come out of a family member's mouth.Kayleah where are YOU? :(
It's a terrible thing to come out of a family members' mouth to the media... But possibly useful in searching for a child. If the truth is that your 12 yr old is sexually active or hangs with certain cliques or has a history of running away- it is important to let the detectives working your childs' case that history, because it gives them possible leads to follow. It's just disasterous in the media- or in dealing with LE that is biased against certain teen behaviors or cultures...
Which is why I feel it's so critical to reduce bias in missing persons' cases.
The same holds true for missing adults with special needs or circumstances.
Reduce assumptions and misperceptions, and IMO we would be on the right track to finding many more missing children and adults who are at risk.
JTSYS
angiejean
05-04-2010, 01:32 PM
I think there was some legitimate reason that family members may have believed that she did run away *at first.*
I agree, everything that was said pointed to that. Though what bothers me is that she is still being addressed (by family & friends) on her FB page as though she's a runaway. Even after LE said that wasn't likely. (can't recall exact statements, but during the press conference describing a possible person of interest) She's 12, at this point....there is a strong possibitlity that she is out there but can't come home on her own. Ugg!! It just is so heartbreaking to think. My heart goes out to this family and community and I understand not wanting to believe or address the other possiblities, but I have to agree about it damaging the chance of finding her not only from the beginning but also now. I can't believe she is in Greeley at this point as a runaway, the town just doesn't have the runaway population grouped together like a bigger city such as Denver. Even then I would assume LE in Denver would be on the lookout for her as the FBI is involved? (moo as always :) )
cluciano63
05-04-2010, 01:40 PM
I believe the Amber Alert is set up to be on the lookout for a vehicle type...and that is what determines when it is used, rather than the age of child or circumstances...tell me if i am wrong?
also in most cases we see, eventually the family just has to take over the search, it is a bald fact that LE just cannot focus on cases the way we would like them to and can very little without leads coming in. I am not especially pro-Le but also realize how all towns and cites are chronically understaffed and underfunded and just can't ever do as much as we would like to see. Familes really are the key in harassing media, etc...it is not easy but it can be done, we've seen it. If they have not already done so, I am sure they could get advice on dealing with media from Mark Klass or other organizations. JMO
angiejean
05-04-2010, 02:36 PM
I believe the Amber Alert is set up to be on the lookout for a vehicle type...and that is what determines when it is used, rather than the age of child or circumstances...tell me if i am wrong?
Nope...your right :) I went back a page and read the link on the criteria for issuing an Amber Alert...didn't realize how specific the criteria was.
eyes4crime
05-04-2010, 02:42 PM
When they stated she ran away, they also threw in the quip that it could possibly be to get an abortion. While we are a forward thinking country, stating that your 12 yr old ran away to get an abortion immediately kills any interest at all into finding that child.
imo of course...
Although this isn't the case here - That's a shame isn't it? 12yo runaway so she can get an abortion, can't think of a more dangerous situation for a child. For some reason, people jump up on their moral soap box and begin preaching judgements rather than viable suggestions and encouragement to help find the child. I call it 'corrective judgments'- they try to correct others instead of help. moo mho jmho
The people who are 'higher than Thou' preaching to others are the very reason the child ran off to begin with. MOO And what's to gain except showing others how perfect they are! Doesn't do a thing to help bring the child back to safety. - quite the opposite - it casts shame, blame, and disdain on the child, mom, and all those who care for the child. It contributes NOTHING to help bring the child back to safety. moo mho :banghead::banghead:
It's a terrible thing to come out of a family members' mouth to the media... But possibly useful in searching for a child. If the truth is that your 12 yr old is sexually active or hangs with certain cliques or has a history of running away- it is important to let the detectives working your childs' case that history, because it gives them possible leads to follow. It's just disasterous in the media- or in dealing with LE that is biased against certain teen behaviors or cultures...
Which is why I feel it's so critical to reduce bias in missing persons' cases.
The same holds true for missing adults with special needs or circumstances.
Reduce assumptions and misperceptions, and IMO we would be on the right track to finding many more missing children and adults who are at risk.
JTSYS
BBM You are so right!
human
05-04-2010, 09:01 PM
There already is just that computer system in place. The problem is it spits out MP cases pretty much non stop.
I mean in one town-for example, Greeley. There can't be that many missing kids a a town like that, can there?
dr dona
05-04-2010, 09:32 PM
I have never believed this child ran away. Many 12 year old dress in a more worldly fashion and wear tons of makeup. I thought her pictures made her seem tom-boyish and she appeared age appropriate. I've always felt she was abducted and the not knowing is driving me crazy. I could see her giving a stranger directions and being grabbed. Sorry, I'm so negative. I've just depressed myself.
Natal
05-04-2010, 10:35 PM
BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)
http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/
For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!
They were going on about the "bystander" effect, where no one wanted to get involved, but I disagree with that. If you look at that video, it took many attempts to get anyone to respond, but you see that in the instance where some DID, all of a sudden people all around joined in. I think that what really happens is that most people are followers, not leaders, so they don't initiate action even they they would otherwise participate. As soon as a leader steps in and takes the first action, then all the others follow.
The bottom line is that if that were your kid, you should pray that a leader type happens to be around or chances are that everyone will just watch.
I mean in one town-for example, Greeley. There can't be that many missing kids a a town like that, can there?
Good question. Anyone on here from the area and have a relationship with LE where they could ask that? Also would need to know what else that person/division does? Some are in charge of rape/child abuse abuse/murders/gang violence cases (some or all of these). They have to prioritize and you can kinda figure out where things fall.
What is far more frustrating for me is that these strapped agencies don't use the public/community far more often to help. There are a lot of people out there who could be a great tool/resource they need to be used.
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 08:56 AM
Good question. Anyone on here from the area and have a relationship with LE where they could ask that? Also would need to know what else that person/division does? Some are in charge of rape/child abuse abuse/murders/gang violence cases (some or all of these). They have to prioritize and you can kinda figure out where things fall.
What is far more frustrating for me is that these strapped agencies don't use the public/community far more often to help. There are a lot of people out there who could be a great tool/resource they need to be used.
No contacts in Greeley, but I would imagine the case fell to either Criminal Investigation, General, or perhaps the Youth Unit. One could easily find out by calling the PD and asking for the detective in charge to see which unit they work for. But the FBI was involved almost immediately....so in this instance I would think it isn't an issue of Kayleah falling to the bottom of the MP or BOLO stack.
I can contact the FBI and find out what the MP situation is in Greeley.
Either way, this child is still listed with 'no signs of foul play' in the same
breath as 'no history of drug or alcohol abuse' and 'no history of running away.' Huh??
Something tells me perhaps Greeley PD should update their website, considering this child has now been missing without a trace approaching 2 months. IMO, it is eerily similar to the Lindsey Baum case.
JTSYS
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 09:20 AM
Sorry- I should have added- that's nothing against Greeley PD or the FBI. I am sure they are just intending to clarify that there is no history of running away or drug or alcohol abuse, in order to dissuade any rumors to the contrary.
But any 12 year old who has been missing for this long without a trace...in my experience there is a likelihood of foul play, even if no such physical or circumstancial evidence exists.
Perhaps that's where the MP case descriptions need to be changed a bit.
JTSYS
I have talked to several people that live in Greeley that aren't big on following every detail of the news etc... and 4 out of 5 of them have said they thought that Kayleah just ran away or mom/family had something to do with her missing because of the lack of mom's appearance in the news. Just throwing that out there FWIW. I think April needs to get in the public eye, talk to everyone she sees, interact with those who are volunteering to search, and talk to a professional webdesign company about donating time & knowledge to create a FIND Kayleah website. (and give it a name without "fund" in the title.)
MOO
If April thinks Kayleah didn't run away, then she needs to say that every chance she gets. I would rather her be scorned after the fact for being wrong than to not have people actively searching for Kayleah. :(
Calliope
05-05-2010, 09:40 AM
BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)
http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/
For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!
I agree with the mom there; when those two guys dropped their things and took off after him I was cheering :)
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 09:41 AM
No contacts in Greeley, but I would imagine the case fell to either Criminal Investigation, General, or perhaps the Youth Unit. One could easily find out by calling the PD and asking for the detective in charge to see which unit they work for. But the FBI was involved almost immediately....so in this instance I would think it isn't an issue of Kayleah falling to the bottom of the MP or BOLO stack.
I can contact the FBI and find out what the MP situation is in Greeley.
Either way, this child is still listed with 'no signs of foul play' in the same
breath as 'no history of drug or alcohol abuse' and 'no history of running away.' Huh??
Something tells me perhaps Greeley PD should update their website, considering this child has now been missing without a trace approaching 2 months. IMO, it is eerily similar to the Lindsey Baum case.
JTSYS
This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.
I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 10:55 AM
This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.
I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo
I totally agree, eyes. Maybe we should take a look at regional cases with those similar common denominators...
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 11:00 AM
I totally agree, eyes. Maybe we should take a look at regional cases with those similar common denominators...
Great idea! How do we start? :waitasec:
angiejean
05-05-2010, 11:17 AM
If April thinks Kayleah didn't run away, then she needs to say that every chance she gets. I would rather her be scorned after the fact for being wrong than to not have people actively searching for Kayleah. :( snipped
You are so right on this one!!
This has bothered me, that mom or even the families spokesperson hasn't shouted to the world that there could be another possibility in Kayleahs dissapearance other than her running away! Especially after the last presser and LE eluded to that. Again, I know the press is hard to negotiate but there isn't anything like this mentioned on her website and FB pages.
Don't know anyone in Greeley PD. I still don't see Greeley having a big runaway issue. The town doesn't support one like the bigger cities w/surrounding suburbs where a kid can hide and survive. It's changing yes...but it's still mainly a college/agricultural type of town. I would think that if she did make it to Denver & was on the streets as a runaway, LE there would have an eye out for her, she should have been found.
(jmo)
This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.
I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo
The circumstances absolutely are similar in nature between Kayleah and Lindsey. I do want to say that Greeley has a population of around 98,000 and McCleary from what I read online is less than 1700. Greeley isn't really what I would call a small "town" anymore. 25 years ago, yep, but not so much anymore.
I am interested in seeing what you sleuthers can come up with in looking at the similarities and maybe also in other surrounding cases.
I would think that if she did make it to Denver & was on the streets as a runaway, LE there would have an eye out for her, she should have been found.
(jmo)
I agree. I don't see her running away to go hang out with "kids" or friends and being hidden this long without someone squeeling. Now I definitely have a different thought if she ran away to be with someone older (predator). I for the most part don't think she ran away. The ONLY thing that brings me back to it on occasion is that at one of the LE/FBI press conferences a reporter asked if Kayleah was under duress or emotionally upset (not direct quote) when she left home and the FBI declined to comment. That just didn't and still doesn't sit well with me. If she was fine and ok, then why not just say so?
JTSYS- I think it would be wonderful you could contact those you know in the FBI and find this info. out. I think it's very important to figure out how they're working on the "inside" some the community can learn how to work on the "outside". Often things are way more complicated than they seem and it needs to be way more up to "us, the community" to take an active role instead of just sitting back and criticizing what LE is or isn't doing. Once upon a time it was word of mouth that spread these things to neighbors far and wide, local businesses that took it upon themselves to make flyers and print them, etc. It's so much like that video.... Everyone is expecting that someone else will do it.
cluciano63
05-05-2010, 12:10 PM
that is strange that LE would decline comment on her known state of mind...unless they do not want to add to speculation that she might have left on her own...i.e. if she was upset or mad at mom...but declining to comments just makes me think she WAS upset, or they would/should have said no, she was fine, happy, etc...
I do wish someone w/experience would help this family negotiate the media, internet, etc...in most cases, all you need to do is ask for help by professionals (web designers, etc) and they will donate their time and work. Do we know if they ever contacted the 18-wheeler program?
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 12:17 PM
Great idea! How do we start? :waitasec:
I thought I'd start by getting all of the NCMEC info using those parameters- and then start mapping interstates accordingly. Basic, but it can't hurt.
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 12:22 PM
The circumstances absolutely are similar in nature between Kayleah and Lindsey. I do want to say that Greeley has a population of around 98,000 and McCleary from what I read online is less than 1700. Greeley isn't really what I would call a small "town" anymore. 25 years ago, yep, but not so much anymore.
I am interested in seeing what you sleuthers can come up with in looking at the similarities and maybe also in other surrounding cases.
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You're right - Greeley isn't as small as McCleary but it is out of the way isn't it?
If we do that search, I would like to include the young girls LE have classified as run-a-ways. Run-a-ways with a legitimate reason to leave and go to another state - such as having a father in the military (Lindsey) or a father living away (Kayleah). In my eyes, that circumstance can make a young girl very vulnerable to abduction and also can give the perp a break in that once classified as run-a-way, the search by LE and community is not the same as for a missing child - not as intense and focused. Maybe there is a perp out there looking for young girls who fit that run-a-way possibility category - makes it easier for the perp to get away with an abduction. all just my opinions
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 12:27 PM
JTSYS- I think it would be wonderful you could contact those you know in the FBI and find this info. out. I think it's very important to figure out how they're working on the "inside" some the community can learn how to work on the "outside". Often things are way more complicated than they seem and it needs to be way more up to "us, the community" to take an active role instead of just sitting back and criticizing what LE is or isn't doing. Once upon a time it was word of mouth that spread these things to neighbors far and wide, local businesses that took it upon themselves to make flyers and print them, etc. It's so much like that video.... Everyone is expecting that someone else will do it.
Already made a couple calls, will post when I hear back.
I concur completely re: community response. People are typically either unsure, afraid, or unknowing as to how to approach people in need.
Just approach and offer whatever professional services you can render, folks! If you work at an Office Depot...ask your manager if you can print flyers at no cost. If you own a franchise, make it a point to print 5 a day at no cost.
If you're an attorney, or you work at a bank- offer your probono service to set up an account for a search center. If you work dogs, offer your dogs probono.
If you're a retired LEO who has experience with MP's....cold call the family and offer the benefit of your experience in widening search areas and dealing with the media. If you work in the media, offer your probono services with the intent to find and protect an innocent child- to raise viewers with the sole intent to find this child- not with sensationalism.
If you volunteer or work with a MP's org- cold call families in need.
Every little bit counts. Don't be afraid to be a leader. The worst that can happen is someone says 'no thanks.'
JTSYS
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 12:28 PM
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You're right - Greeley isn't as small as McCleary but it is out of the way isn't it?
If we do that search, I would like to include the young girls LE have classified as run-a-ways. Run-a-ways with a legitimate reason to leave and go to another state - such as having a father in the military (Lindsey) or a father living away (Kayleah). In my eyes, that circumstance can make a young girl very vulnerable to abduction and also can give the perp a break in that once classified as run-a-way, the search by LE and community is not the same as for a missing child - not as intense and focused. Maybe there is a perp out there looking for young girls who fit that run-a-way possibility category - makes it easier for the perp to get away with an abduction. all just my opinions
Yep, done. As I mentioned before- I agree entirely.
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Yep, done. As I mentioned before- I agree entirely.
JTSYS - what do you mean - Yep, done? lol
JustToSeeYouSmile
05-05-2010, 01:06 PM
JTSYS - what do you mean - Yep, done? lol
Lol, I only meant that I had already included those parameters (classified as runaways etc) in there. Sifting through right now.
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 06:18 PM
12yo KAYLEAH HAS NOW BEEN MISSING 39 NIGHTS!
grayjay
05-05-2010, 09:00 PM
Highway 34 goes all the way to Chicago. I don't think Greeley is an out of the way town at all, but rather central to the region. The bypass was built, in fact, because of so much truck traffic that didn't need to go through town. The city is a traffic hub, I think. JMO.
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 09:21 PM
Highway 34 goes all the way to Chicago. I don't think Greeley is an out of the way town at all, but rather central to the region. The bypass was built, in fact, because of so much truck traffic that didn't need to go through town. The city is a traffic hub, I think. JMO.
I didn't know Greeley was so big - never heard of it just like never heard of McCleary. My comparison was more between the two girls - have dads in other states and were called run-a-ways. Just looking at how a predator might find young girls who could be classified as run-a-ways once they are abducted. moo
I view run-a-way category as a - perk for the perp!
nerosleuth
05-05-2010, 09:30 PM
I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo
If the same perp is involved in the disappearances of Lindsey and Kayleah, then the question we all should ask is does the perp have a work occupation that requires traveling across the country?
Now at the time when Lindsey and Kayleah disappeared, were there any amusement rides or carnivals taking place at shopping center parking lots or open fields near the area where they lived?
Carnival workers travel many miles across the country during the Spring, Summer, and Fall season setting up and taking down amusement rides and concession stands.
That is one kind of occupation that I can think of that involves seasonal work and traveling long distances.
I'm sure that there are other kinds of occupations involving seasonal work in both areas when the girls disappeared.
Natal
05-05-2010, 10:10 PM
One aspect of a possible runaway theory that should be kept in mind is that she may not have done it alone (if she did indeed run away). Granted, a 12 year old wouldn't likely survive long alone before either something bad happened or she returned home (or showed up somewhere else).
However, if she was leading a more mature lifestyle then it is possible that she left with an older teen male who was capable of surviving in the world undetected. It has been suggested that she may have had older boyfriends as well as the possibility of a pregnancy which implies that she was engaged in activities that didn't quite meet the approval of adults around her.
She may simply have taken off with an older boy and is either keeping a low profile because of the illicit nature of their relationship, or they might not even know people are looking for her (teens are not exactly know for keeping up with the news, especially if they left town).
grayjay
05-05-2010, 10:30 PM
I just watched the video linked from http://abcnews.go.com/US/domestic-sex-trafficking-increasing-united-states/story?id=10557194, thanks to BeanE, and it made me wonder if this is a possibility, then what questions should be be asking. It's sickening, but more likely than I'd wish to think.
My heart hurts for AW, not knowing. It does seem like the kids are more resilient, so involved in their own worlds the event fades more quickly from their minds. I pray that KW will be found safe, will come to know that she has been loved all along and never forgotten.
eyes4crime
05-05-2010, 10:32 PM
If the same perp is involved in the disappearances of Lindsey and Kayleah, then the question we all should ask is does the perp have a work occupation that requires traveling across the country?
Now at the time when Lindsey and Kayleah disappeared, were there any amusement rides or carnivals taking place at shopping center parking lots or open fields near the area where they lived?
Carnival workers travel many miles across the country during the Spring, Summer, and Fall season setting up and taking down amusement rides and concession stands.
That is one kind of occupation that I can think of that involves seasonal work and traveling long distances.
I'm sure that there are other kinds of occupations involving seasonal work in both areas when the girls disappeared./
Those are good thoughts - frequent moves and travel would be a real plus for a serial child predator. Wonder how a predator would get to know that a child has a dad in another state or a distance away? I don't know what kind of travel would bring a perp close enough to a family or child to find out personal information. I know Lindsey was on a social site - not sure about Kayleah. moo
I'm not saying they are connected but the circumstances are very similiar. moo
I can see the similarities people are talking about, but I think they may be more connected in the freedoms these girls were allowed to have than a specific perp. Walking these distances, walking them at night alone, etc, myspace accounts, older boyfriends, it all is risky business that sets young girls up as easy prey in general.
angiejean
05-06-2010, 11:09 AM
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- frequent moves and travel would be a real plus for a serial child predator. Wonder how a predator would get to know that a child has a dad in another state or a distance away? I don't know what kind of travel would bring a perp close enough to a family or child to find out personal information. I know Lindsey was on a social site - not sure about Kayleah. moo
I'm not saying they are connected but the circumstances are very similiar. moo
I've thought about this before - A person (predator) could have actually moved here months ago, got a job w/out drawing suspicious attention to themselves. Especially restauraunt and mall jobs, those tend to be seasonal, college and high school help with a high turnaround. Would LE check to see if anyone had quit thier jobs around the time she went missing?
So what if...this person worked in one of the mall stores, area restaurants, Hastings, Library (long shot there) or anywhere Kayleah hung out at regularly, they could have talked to her, gained her trust a little and found out some info about her. It would not be someone she would "hang out" with obviously, but if she saw this person wouldn't feel threatend. Somone on the fringe of her life, that her family didn't know but Kayleah knew. Or even those temp. survey takers at the mall, some of them are adults?
Again..just throwing out what if's...moo as always.
TGIRecovered
05-06-2010, 11:40 AM
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Those are good thoughts - frequent moves and travel would be a real plus for a serial child predator. Wonder how a predator would get to know that a child has a dad in another state or a distance away? I don't know what kind of travel would bring a perp close enough to a family or child to find out personal information. I know Lindsey was on a social site - not sure about Kayleah. moo
I'm not saying they are connected but the circumstances are very similiar. moo
What about an online support group for fathers without custody? I haven't looked, but I would bet that there are forums for people with custody or child support questions. There could also be ways to find info by having access to payroll information or insurance info. If the perp himself could even be a non-custodial parent.
Are there any similarities between the fathers of Lindsay and Kayleah? Types of employment, insurance carriers, online habits, alumni groups?
I'm not implying that the fathers are to blame; it is just another possible way a predator might troll for victims. Also, if this perp has been to prison before, he probably spent some time brainstorming ways to continue his perverted assaults without as much risk of getting caught, like expanding his feild of prey to different states.
eyes4crime
05-06-2010, 01:38 PM
What about an online support group for fathers without custody? I haven't looked, but I would bet that there are forums for people with custody or child support questions. There could also be ways to find info by having access to payroll information or insurance info. If the perp himself could even be a non-custodial parent.
Are there any similarities between the fathers of Lindsay and Kayleah? Types of employment, insurance carriers, online habits, alumni groups?
I'm not implying that the fathers are to blame; it is just another possible way a predator might troll for victims. Also, if this perp has been to prison before, he probably spent some time brainstorming ways to continue his perverted assaults without as much risk of getting caught, like expanding his feild of prey to different states.
I never thought of on-line support groups, that's interesting.
The two fathers have nothing in common that I can see:
Lindsey's dad is in the military and recently remarried. Paid child support and seemed to keep in touch with his daughter. Lindsey was declared a runaway - the thinking was that she ran away to see her dad., He finally made a trip to McCleary and put that rumor to rest.
Kayleah's dad lives in California - he has a social site with a picture of his daughter on it. What I remember is that the dad cut off his ponytail and gave it to a cancer fund supplying wigs to women who have lost their hair from chemotherapy. That act alone left me thinking he was one heck of a nice guy!
Kayleah was called a run-a-way because she wanted to be with her dad in California. Dad came to Greeley and put the rumor to rest and also helped search for his daughter, same as Lindsey's dad.
Both girls were called runaways due to their running off to be with dad.
There was NO crime scene, nor a clue left behind in either case. Both girls vanished on familiar walks. I'm not saying they are connected but very, very similar. moo
Guess my point in all this is that when a child is labeled a runaway that takes the spirit out of searching and places suspicious eyes on the family...instead of focusing on the perp, many seem focused on what's wrong with the mom and the life of the child.
And most important is the fact LE and the public are not involved initially as if it were an abduction giving the perp an enormous head start in his abduction. That gives the perp quite an incentive to look for a child who would be considered as a runaway. And a girl with a dad in another state is a perfect example. moo
AlmostGone
05-06-2010, 11:30 PM
If the same perp is involved in the disappearances of Lindsey and Kayleah, then the question we all should ask is does the perp have a work occupation that requires traveling across the country?
Now at the time when Lindsey and Kayleah disappeared, were there any amusement rides or carnivals taking place at shopping center parking lots or open fields near the area where they lived?
Carnival workers travel many miles across the country during the Spring, Summer, and Fall season setting up and taking down amusement rides and concession stands.
That is one kind of occupation that I can think of that involves seasonal work and traveling long distances.
I'm sure that there are other kinds of occupations involving seasonal work in both areas when the girls disappeared.
Truckers, they are always on the road....
manybooks
05-07-2010, 11:21 AM
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100507/NEWS/100509768/1051&ParentProfile=1001
Search slated for Saturday
Saying that the family is “hanging in there,” the mother of a missing 12-year-old Greeley girl announced they have organized a search for her Saturday in the Windsor area.
Kayleah Wilson disappeared March 28 when she left her south Greeley home to meet a friend for a birthday party. Despite the most intensive investigation in Greeley history, no sign of the 12-year-old has been found.
Her mother, April Wilson, said Friday a search will be held in Windsor Saturday. Volunteers can report any time between 9 a.m. and 6 p.m. at the MediGrow Shop 1292 Main Street in Windsor, Unit 1. MediGrow is a medical marijuana shop.
Volunteers can check in at the shop and be assigned specific areas to search.
manybooks
05-07-2010, 11:30 AM
and the FUND website is still active, with 15 members, including Kayleah's mom and dad and grandma. There is an announcement that they are having a Dove chocolate fundaiser. Did anyone get an answer about the money? I do understand that keeping the flyers going and doing searches probably isn't totally free, but what I would REALLY like to know is who is maintaining the financials raised by the site, as the site owner is NOT trustworthy (this is partially just in my opinion, but also a matter of public record!)
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=138411&catid=188
Another article about the search on Saturday.
Manybooks~ The owner of the website and her past public records have been found. We just can't post the records here since she isn't a media named suspect... There ARE local media persons aware of the connection but haven't ran with the story yet. The last thing that Kayleah needs is more bad publicity in the public eye, but I think it will (and needs to IMO) come out.... OR even better just avoid the whole negative media thing and the owner of the site needs to step down before she hurts where she very well may have a true good intention of helping.
There has GOT to be a professional website designer who would help AW design a professional site for FINDING and not FUNDING Kayleah. Also I am sure that any local bank board would gladly help aid in the donations received and would do it legitimately and keep legal records of money coming in and out. The whole website thing just rubs me the wrong way right now. Media is going to break the story and the connection and unfortunately it has the potential to be another thing that keeps the already leary public from truly seeking and searching for 12 year old Kayleah. Definitely NOT what AW or Kayleah needs right now. :banghead:
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100507/NEWS/100509768/1051&ParentProfile=1001
Search slated for Saturday
Saying that the family is “hanging in there,” the mother of a missing 12-year-old Greeley girl announced they have organized a search for her Saturday in the Windsor area.
Kayleah Wilson disappeared March 28 when she left her south Greeley home to meet a friend for a birthday party. Despite the most intensive investigation in Greeley history, no sign of the 12-year-old has been found.
Her mother, April Wilson, said Friday a search will be held in Windsor Saturday. Volunteers can report any time between 9 a.m. and 6 p.m. at the MediGrow Shop 1292 Main Street in Windsor, Unit 1. MediGrow is a medical marijuana shop.
Volunteers can check in at the shop and be assigned specific areas to search.
BBM.
Aye. Yi. Yi. Not thinking at all that this was the greatest public move either... This isn't going to help matters in the general public eye. Meet at the park? Meet at McDonalds? Sigh. So frustrating.
Really concerned about how it's going to look meeting at a medical marijuana facility. Regardless of truth or not, it is not going to shed a good light on the family.
manybooks
05-07-2010, 04:02 PM
Thank you, Kai. Do I need to delete the references to that from my previous posts? I would never want that to get in the way of the search for Kayleah.
I am just very sad and frustrated that Kayleah's family may be falling victim in another way :( And now this search , stationed from the MMJ facility that is already embroiled in huge controversy?
eyes4crime
05-07-2010, 04:13 PM
BBM.
Aye. Yi. Yi. Not thinking at all that this was the greatest public move either... This isn't going to help matters in the general public eye. Meet at the park? Meet at McDonalds? Sigh. So frustrating.
McDonalds would be good! I feel so sorry for this family, they need help with image control and how to work the media to their advantage. moo
BeanE
05-07-2010, 04:31 PM
Kayleah Wilson's mom organizes another search
Adam Chodak 48 mins ago
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=138411&catid=188
ThePhantom
05-07-2010, 04:47 PM
It's awesome that you guys are helping in the search -- wish I could help too. Wonder if she didn't hop in a vehicle with someone and is somewhere else --
angiejean
05-07-2010, 04:59 PM
"The fight between the town and MediGrow had three fronts to it originally. In addition to the municipal and district court battles, MediGrow had filed an appeal with the Windsor Board of Appeals to overturn a condemnation order issued by Windsor Director of Planning Joe Plummer, declaring the business unfit for human occupancy due to building code violations."
From: Windsor Beacon May 1, 2010
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100501/WINDSORBEACON01/5010318/0/WINDSORBEACON01/Judge-closes-MediGrow-
Seriously?! At this point, this family desperately needs some professional advice and fast! Hoping the best for AW & family...as this along with the questionable "fund" doesn't look great. I can't see them drawing alot of volunteers if this is the meeting place. Very sad...:( Even the Rec center would have been better than this.
PS...what are they thinking?? Hoping thier motives for staging the search there is not using Kayleah to gain positive news coverage for this place...grrrr!!!!
Thank you, Kai. Do I need to delete the references to that from my previous posts? I would never want that to get in the way of the search for Kayleah.
I am just very sad and frustrated that Kayleah's family may be falling victim in another way :( And now this search , stationed from the MMJ facility that is already embroiled in huge controversy?
I am sorry if my post came across as implying that you were causing any harm to the search for Kayleah. I never thought that at all! :) My frustration is at the whole website fiasco. I share in your sadness and frustration and ugh, the MMJ news this morning just set me off. So sorry if it came across towards you. I didn't mean for it to! :)
I just got home from mailing some boxes at the post office. Kayleah's photo and missing poster was hanging on the wall near the door.
eyes4crime
05-07-2010, 07:52 PM
12Y0 KAYLEAH HAS NOW BEEN MISSING 41 NIGHTS!
Let's bring justice to Kayleah and her family!
krazyfingerzz
05-08-2010, 12:05 PM
This little girl should never leave page one until she's found safe! I know they're searching again today, and my prayers and thoughts are with them. Hoping for good news. I look at my 11 and 13 year old (boys, but nonetheless) and can't imagine what not knowing where either was, especially for this long, would be like. And I pray that I never will!
lilcatt
05-08-2010, 02:05 PM
This little girl should never leave page one until she's found safe! I know they're searching again today, and my prayers and thoughts are with them. Hoping for good news. I look at my 11 and 13 year old (boys, but nonetheless) and can't imagine what not knowing where either was, especially for this long, would be like. And I pray that I never will!
I can tell you what it is like, it is a living hell. It has been 30 years since my daughter ran away and we didn't find her for a month. She is fine now and a mother herself, but to this day I cannot talk about it without crying. It is like it happened yesterday. At one point they called for her dental records because the had found a body, I didn't think I would survive if were her. I do not wish this heart break on anyone. I pray for Kayleah that she be found safe.
AlmostGone
05-08-2010, 05:05 PM
I just wish more people knew about her missing... Can we write a letter to her local news paper or something? Maybe if we all call the news from all over the united states it could make a story for her about, how all of us are worried about this little girl..I just wish there was something I could do.... oh hummmm....
angiejean
05-08-2010, 09:34 PM
This little girl should never leave page one until she's found safe! I know they're searching again today, and my prayers and thoughts are with them. Hoping for good news. I look at my 11 and 13 year old (boys, but nonetheless) and can't imagine what not knowing where either was, especially for this long, would be like. And I pray that I never will!
Amen. You are so right!
angiejean
05-08-2010, 09:38 PM
I can tell you what it is like, it is a living hell. It has been 30 years since my daughter ran away and we didn't find her for a month. She is fine now and a mother herself, but to this day I cannot talk about it without crying. It is like it happened yesterday. At one point they called for her dental records because the had found a body, I didn't think I would survive if were her. I do not wish this heart break on anyone. I pray for Kayleah that she be found safe.
Lilcatt...hope that this is appropriate...but sending you a {{Hug}}
Thanks for sharing..it put's into perspective the heartbreak a mother goes through...
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