View Full Version : 2010.04.19 Judge Strickland IS stepping down
ynotdivein
04-19-2010, 07:45 PM
LOL anyone else finding that just as soon as they get done reading the "last" page, they find a whole new one has begun? And when you're done reading that new "last page" there is another to follow! Your Honor, you will be missed by many!
Marina2
04-19-2010, 07:46 PM
Apparently, the defense has already started refiling motions. First up, motion to remove the death penalty.
The allegedly racist A's will love the African - American judge I'm sure. Tee Hee.
Seriously though, a new judge won't change the verdict. Thank you JS for stomaching this case as long as you have and best wishes to BP.
Dear Prudence
04-19-2010, 07:46 PM
Link...
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/chief-judge-belvin-perry-jr-little-black-boy/
Read the blog, it in no way states or even implies that Dave was ever involved with Judge Perry. Dave was given a work assignment for the judge running against Perry in 1989.
Perhaps the original poster has knowledge of Dave being involved with Perry in some other way?
LancelotLink
04-19-2010, 07:48 PM
I just read the whole motion from the judge! I love that man!!
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
Dear Prudence
04-19-2010, 07:52 PM
Apparently, the defense has already started refiling motions. First up, motion to remove the death penalty.
Isn't that the one when Judge Strickland said you're kind of asking me to reinvent the wheel here, to Andrea Lyon?
MD MOMMY
04-19-2010, 07:53 PM
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
Going on a whim...no private hearing and no removing the DP..nice try defense. AS IF we didn't see this coming from a mile away! JMO!
Mosby
04-19-2010, 07:53 PM
"Defense counsel who has been aware of the court's brief discussion with the blogger/Journalist for many months now, seems to have only recently lost confidence in the Court's ability to be fair & imparitial".
This tells me Judge Strickland is fully aware that CM is responsible.
When this motion was filed by CM I thought that CM did not like losing his first round in court on this case. He thought for sure he could keep JBs sale of photos/videos to ABC out of the public eye. His "trust me" was lost on JS, and rightfully so.
My sincere thanks and admiration to you Judge Strickland. WTG!
scout35
04-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Excellent comment but could we just say "moved over" with a blaze? Fits a bit better methinks. It wasn't easy for him to do but only because he was laughing so hard.
I agree! I was just at a loss for words at that point, this case makes my head spin. I used the quotation marks for that reason. I certainly don't think that he went down at all! Sorry for any confusion. :blushing:
Aedrys
04-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
And what in the HELL makes them think Judge Perry is going to be favorable about this motion and grant them a private hearing?!?!?!?
Nevermind. Go on and look more stupid and inept defense. It's all you know how to do.
magic-cat
04-19-2010, 07:54 PM
The allegedly racist A's will love the African - American judge I'm sure. Tee Hee.
Seriously though, a new judge won't change the verdict. Thank you JS for stomaching this case as long as you have and best wishes to BP.
Let us not forget KC's own racist comments about her fellow inmates... :)
ZsaZsa
04-19-2010, 07:55 PM
Delay delay delay is the name of the defense game. FL will be lucky if this case goes to trial in 5 years.
She's the one that sitting behind bars! I'm sitting here eating an ice cream and I have my freedom, so it's no skin off my nose if they delay.
believe09
04-19-2010, 07:57 PM
Judge Removed From Casey Anthony Case
Defense Questions Judge's Relationship With Blogger
POSTED: 3:24 pm EDT April 19, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm EDT April 19, 2010
http://www.wesh.com/news/23197786/detail.html
Also on Twitter:
http://www.wesh.com/twitter/index.html
Justice is not being done here to Strickland-the response to the motion is the whole story. It lays out the defense's foibles succinctly and is a very enjoyable piece of writing.
I hope he becomes a blogger when he is tired of the bench.
Dear Prudence
04-19-2010, 07:57 PM
BSheaffer comments
http://www.wftv.com/video/23200720/index.html
Sheaffer says that Perry is known as a no nonsense judge, demanding in professionalism and demanding in competence. Uh oh Baez, better watch out!
scout35
04-19-2010, 07:59 PM
Man, I would have love to seen the reaction the defense had after reading this!
shotzie
04-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Or is that last motion I saw to take the Death Penalty off the table..Did that come today? Gee talk about motions flying:banghead:
magic-cat
04-19-2010, 08:01 PM
Perhaps
Ok just for the record here is the story. Marinade was hired to do flyers, bumper stickers etc for a judge who was running for re-election. Said judge was running against Judge Blevins. The judge Marinade was working for allegedly, according to Marinade mind you, :) , made a VERY racist comment thus the disgusting title of Marinades blogging on the subject. Marinade was supposedly then TORN in HALF on the inside, knowing he had no other job and needed this job for this allegedly racist judge. He consulted an attorney friend of his so torn was he. The attorney told him to do the job. Dave gave it his all and in the end, the judge he was working for was defeated by Judge Blevins. Marinade thinks, somehow in all of his delusions, that he somehow was, or he hopes he was, responsible for Judge Blevins winning. He hopes that on some subconscious level he perhaps did not perhaps do his best and THAT contributed to his employers loss.
Self-important thinking right there...The camera is always on ME ME ME ME!
Also, seems to have been a battle between conscience and money and money won...
He has absolutely NOTHING to do with this judge coming on the case. And I guarantee he never will... :)
believe09
04-19-2010, 08:02 PM
The defense will drag this out forever...look at Acala. He was in prison the entire time and Casey will stay in prison the entire time. People will eventually forget what was compelling about her. People will always remember the life she took. JMO.
I doubt it will achieve much in the end, except to find (perhaps) a jury pool whose memories aren't that good or who have moved on to the next terrible high profile story. No matter...I predict the longer this goes on, the more Anthony family starts to crumble...that's a long time to have to put up with one another when the glue that has held them together for the last few years has completely dissolved..JMO. There will be more interviews, more things disclosed, more discontent, more sales to the highest bidder as people's attention starts to wander...again, JMO.
Or is that last motion I saw to take the Death Penalty off the table..Did that come today? Gee talk about motions flying:banghead:
Guaranteed they had them all ready to file this weekend in case an order came down this week. This is what they wanted. Be prepared to have them file every motion they got denied on, or close to it.
ZsaZsa
04-19-2010, 08:04 PM
Sheaffer says that Perry is known as a no nonsense judge, demanding in professionalism and demanding in competence. Uh oh Baez, better watch out!
I love the part where he said that Judge Perry won't be quite as patient with ineptitude as JS was ... that will be bad news for JB then. :dance:
nancy botwin
04-19-2010, 08:05 PM
Ok just for the record here is the story. Marinade was hired to do flyers, bumper stickers etc for a judge who was running for re-election. Said judge was running against Judge Blevins. The judge Marinade was working for allegedly, according to Marinade mind you, :) , made a VERY racist comment thus the disgusting title of Marinades blogging on the subject. Marinade was supposedly then TORN in HALF on the inside, knowing he had no other job and needed this job for this allegedly racist judge. He consulted an attorney friend of his so torn was he. The attorney told him to do the job. Dave gave it his all and in the end, the judge he was working for was defeated by Judge Blevins. Marinade thinks, somehow in all of his delusions, that he somehow was, or he hopes he was, responsible for Judge Blevins winning. He hopes that on some subconscious level he perhaps did not perhaps do his best and THAT contributed to his employers loss.
Self-important thinking right there...The camera is always on ME ME ME ME!
Also, seems to have been a battle between conscience and money and money won...
He has absolutely NOTHING to do with this judge coming on the case. And I guarantee he never will... :)
You crack me up. :) I don't have the energy to read the Marinade Dave's blog, so I appreciate your snarky summary.
ZsaZsa
04-19-2010, 08:06 PM
The defense will drag this out forever...look at Acala. He was in prison the entire time and Casey will stay in prison the entire time. People will eventually forget what was compelling about her. People will always remember the life she took. JMO.
I doubt it will achieve much in the end, except to find (perhaps) a jury pool whose memories aren't that good or who have moved on to the next terrible high profile story. No matter...I predict the longer this goes on, the more Anthony family starts to crumble...that's a long time to have to put up with one another when the glue that has held them together for the last few years has completely dissolved..JMO. There will be more interviews, more things disclosed, more discontent, more sales to the highest bidder as people's attention starts to wander...again, JMO.
I predict that she will live in infamy for a long time...
sleutherontheside
04-19-2010, 08:07 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
Before everyone freaks out.....let's recall KC's own words in jailhouse letters discussing JB and his reassurance that she would find someone to take care of her one day.
More and more folks.....I attribute these letters to an ORGANIZED effort to facilitate and contribute to a mantra by the defense. I'll be in the AL thread researching comments and "tricks".
shotzie
04-19-2010, 08:07 PM
I love the part where he said that Judge Perry won't be quite as patient with ineptitude as JS was ... that will be bad news for JB then. :dance:
I Love it!!!! an hope it is true,,he is going to be disgusted with all these motions they are throwing out there..Just wait til he hears BAEZ speak,
where's the head whirling ICON..when I need it..???
suzihawk
04-19-2010, 08:08 PM
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
Sounds to me like they might have figured out they just stepped into a big ole steaming pile of 'it' and they better get to gettin' in the sucking up department.
chefmom
04-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Here's the order.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0419/23199242.pdf
Definitely worth the read, IMO! :)
ETA I knew I loved JS. :heart:
Omg! LMAO! JSS really called it like it is! I love this guy! Can we get him his own Judge show, please? Love it! :dance:
ynotdivein
04-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Let us not forget KC's own racist comments about her fellow inmates... :)
I hit thanks button with some reluctance, as I can envision even the new judge being thrown under the bus at some future date simply for having this purported reason to be supposedly "against" KC from the get-go due to what she said in her letters; heck some posters here have already pointed this out. In fact this race issue may just be part of the larger defense strategy (congrats on getting one together finally, "boys".)
Don't like typing it but there it is. I think we are getting to End Game and that defense may have wanted Perry because they thought they could impugn him enough on race issues to get a retrial.
MOO! MOO! MOO! And I hope these MOOs are totally wrong.
AZlawyer
04-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
Before everyone freaks out.....let's recall KC's own words in jailhouse letters discussing JB and his reassurance that she would find someone to take care of her one day.
More and more folks.....I attribute these letters to an ORGANIZED effort to facilitate and contribute to a mantra by the defense. I'll be in the AL thread researching comments and "tricks".
I've noticed that when men kill their children, we all say, "Oh well, boys will be boys."
Wait, no, we don't. :banghead:
logicalgirl
04-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Schaeffer has some interesting comments on WFTV regarding Judge Strickland stepping down, Judge Bevin taking over, what kind of a Judge he has seen him be, and some comments on the new motions.
Runs a tighter timeline, indeed!
PS: I know we've been extremely busy the last three days but hasn't anyone noticed I passed 1000 posts?
:confused:
SallyLu
04-19-2010, 08:11 PM
Sheaffer says that Perry is known as a no nonsense judge, demanding in professionalism and demanding in competence. Uh oh Baez, better watch out!
Yes, Sheaffer threw out the "demanding" word a few times didn't he?
miss plum
04-19-2010, 08:11 PM
I'm uncomfortable with JP's race being discussed as something that will upset or possibly disadvantage the defendant, who is on record for making racist statements. It just opens the door for later absurd slurs about his impartiality. I can't imagine for one second that he would care what that idiot or her acolytes have to say about African-Americans, or let it in any way influence his rulings. I'm not at all suggesting anyone here is saying that it will, but I think after what has just happened with JS we should, as participants in the public discourse around this case, tread carefully.
AZlawyer
04-19-2010, 08:12 PM
I hit thanks button with some reluctance, as I can envision even the new judge being thrown under the bus at some future date simply for having this purported reason to be supposedly "against" KC from the get-go due to what she said in her letters; heck some posters here have already pointed this out. In fact this race issue may just be part of the larger defense strategy (congrats on getting one together finally, "boys".)
Don't like typing it but there it is. I think we are getting to End Game and that defense may have wanted Perry because they thought they could impugn him enough on race issues to get a retrial.
MOO! MOO! MOO! And I hope these MOOs are totally wrong.
oooooooooo that would be a tough motion to write:
"Your Honor, we are concerned that you might be prejudiced against racists, because, um, well, you're black. And our client is a racist, as evidenced by her attached writings..."
miss plum
04-19-2010, 08:12 PM
Ok just for the record here is the story. Marinade was hired to do flyers, bumper stickers etc for a judge who was running for re-election. Said judge was running against Judge Blevins. The judge Marinade was working for allegedly, according to Marinade mind you, :) , made a VERY racist comment thus the disgusting title of Marinades blogging on the subject. Marinade was supposedly then TORN in HALF on the inside, knowing he had no other job and needed this job for this allegedly racist judge. He consulted an attorney friend of his so torn was he. The attorney told him to do the job. Dave gave it his all and in the end, the judge he was working for was defeated by Judge Blevins. Marinade thinks, somehow in all of his delusions, that he somehow was, or he hopes he was, responsible for Judge Blevins winning. He hopes that on some subconscious level he perhaps did not perhaps do his best and THAT contributed to his employers loss.
Self-important thinking right there...The camera is always on ME ME ME ME!
Also, seems to have been a battle between conscience and money and money won...
He has absolutely NOTHING to do with this judge coming on the case. And I guarantee he never will... :)
Marinade needs to stick a fork in it.
magic-cat
04-19-2010, 08:15 PM
Schaeffer has some interesting comments on WFTV regarding Judge Strickland stepping down, Judge Bevin taking over, what kind of a Judge he has seen him be, and some comments on the new motions.
Runs a tighter timeline, indeed!
PS: I know we've been extremely busy the last three days but hasn't anyone noticed I passed 1000 posts?
:confused:Congratulations... :)
magic-cat
04-19-2010, 08:16 PM
oooooooooo that would be a tough motion to write:
"Your Honor, we are concerned that you might be prejudiced against racists, because, um, well, you're black. And our client is a racist, as evidenced by her attached writings..."
I am almost falling in the floor I am laughing so much...
Man, I would have love to seen the reaction the defense had after reading this!
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First of all I have NO legal training at all,just guess at a lot.
Right now I have a gut feeling they expected an argument over
this. I wonder if anyone ran for tp. when the news came out of Judge
Stricklands decision.I am praying for Judge Perry.:angel:
technicalconfusion
04-19-2010, 08:17 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
.
I wonder how Ms. Lyons would feel about this ruling by the new judge:
http://dailyme.com/story/2010040500003037/death-row-debate-killer-found-mentally-disabled-.html
karengo
04-19-2010, 08:19 PM
A couple things that come to mind for me.
First did they think maybe he would deny the motion to step down and then they could make more appearances saying he is prejudice and poor us?
Second did they know which Judge would take over if he did step down?
Sorry if this has been asked and answered..
ynotdivein
04-19-2010, 08:20 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
Before everyone freaks out.....let's recall KC's own words in jailhouse letters discussing JB and his reassurance that she would find someone to take care of her one day.
More and more folks.....I attribute these letters to an ORGANIZED effort to facilitate and contribute to a mantra by the defense. I'll be in the AL thread researching comments and "tricks".
SOTS this makes so much sense. AL knows she can't get KC off on the facts so suddenly we have a motion that causes JS to step down and BP to be seated, opening the racism door, and now she is throwing out the sexism bone.
What this MEANS is the defense HAS NO DEFENSE. They have theories, they have studies and surveys, and they have tenuous links to hot-button issues... but they have NOTHING that proves beyond reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony did not kill her daugher, Caylee Anthony.
strawberry
04-19-2010, 08:22 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
Before everyone freaks out.....let's recall KC's own words in jailhouse letters discussing JB and his reassurance that she would find someone to take care of her one day.
More and more folks.....I attribute these letters to an ORGANIZED effort to facilitate and contribute to a mantra by the defense. I'll be in the AL thread researching comments and "tricks".
That KC! Such a feminist going for what in the past only men dared to achieve! She should get feminist of the year!
strawberry
04-19-2010, 08:23 PM
I've noticed that when men kill their children, we all say, "Oh well, boys will be boys."
Wait, no, we don't. :banghead:
She's just trying to shatter that last glass ceiling!!
Mosby
04-19-2010, 08:23 PM
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
Why a private meeting?
elementary
04-19-2010, 08:24 PM
I hit thanks button with some reluctance, as I can envision even the new judge being thrown under the bus at some future date simply for having this purported reason to be supposedly "against" KC from the get-go due to what she said in her letters; heck some posters here have already pointed this out. In fact this race issue may just be part of the larger defense strategy (congrats on getting one together finally, "boys".)
Don't like typing it but there it is. I think we are getting to End Game and that defense may have wanted Perry because they thought they could impugn him enough on race issues to get a retrial.
MOO! MOO! MOO! And I hope these MOOs are totally wrong.
Hornsby called it- that it would be Perry. If Hornsby guessed, what are the chances that the defence team didn't know. And if they did know that Judge Perry was up next, then there is indeed method to their madness.
sleutherontheside
04-19-2010, 08:24 PM
I've noticed that when men kill their children, we all say, "Oh well, boys will be boys."
Wait, no, we don't. :banghead:
IMO....AL has specific rebuttals / assumptions and theories based upon race and gender. Let's remember that early on JB commented on the fact that KC was an attractive woman and that it was that fact that contributed to the media frenzy and bias ( completely circumventing the topic of defense contributions to fuel media frenzy) that would benefit the defense TEAM and not the defendant!
I'll dissect those four Florida cases and bet dollars to doughnuts that when and / or if a side by side photo comparison is made.....that not only will "looks" be an issue but I suspect that other key factors will be present. But...I also suspect that that the "beauty / "10" status / visual appeal referenced thus far will be manipulated and in essence...... hoe'ed out as a defense of some sort.
Intermezzo
04-19-2010, 08:26 PM
Here's the order.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0419/23199242.pdf
Definitely worth the read, IMO! :)
ETA I knew I loved JS. :heart:
FaerieB, you were soooooo right. Definitely worth the read.
Judge Strickland I give you a standing ovation, a round of applause, a BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!
Adieu fair Judge Strickland, Adieu.
strawberry
04-19-2010, 08:26 PM
Congratulations... :)
Probably thanks to this motion! See, three good things have come of it! A strict judge, an entertaining decision, and your count!
strawberry
04-19-2010, 08:28 PM
Why a private meeting?
Maybe they can request KC to get out of jail to look for Caylee. I mean look for the real killer. :waitasec:
Wishbone
04-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I hit thanks button with some reluctance, as I can envision even the new judge being thrown under the bus at some future date simply for having this purported reason to be supposedly "against" KC from the get-go due to what she said in her letters; heck some posters here have already pointed this out. In fact this race issue may just be part of the larger defense strategy (congrats on getting one together finally, "boys".)
Don't like typing it but there it is. I think we are getting to End Game and that defense may have wanted Perry because they thought they could impugn him enough on race issues to get a retrial.
MOO! MOO! MOO! And I hope these MOOs are totally wrong.
Don't worry. That dog won’t hunt…..I’m sure that during his long career this judge in charge of judges has been dealt the race card many times and managed to trump it.
Pattymarie
04-19-2010, 08:30 PM
Love Judge Strickland. Love his final comments.
However, am I the only one worried that the defense's primary strategy is to pick apart and discredit every good man and woman (and eventually evidence) working for Caylee's justice and that today's events just set a sickening precedent? How long will KC and company get away this arrogant snubbing of the law?
If this accusation against Judge Strickland actually had the potential for being an appellate issue, then I am seriously afraid that our judicial system is tainted ("the inmates are running the asylum").
And if this accusation caused such a good, fair and experienced man to step down so readily, what else are we in store for?
As long as there is not her actual fingerprints found on the duct tape, bottle, syringe, etc. this, in my opinion is the future of this case. And it will be maddening.
Schaeffer has some interesting comments on WFTV regarding Judge Strickland stepping down, Judge Bevin taking over, what kind of a Judge he has seen him be, and some comments on the new motions.
Runs a tighter timeline, indeed!
PS: I know we've been extremely busy the last three days but hasn't anyone noticed I passed 1000 posts?
:confused:
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Logicalgirl, I passed one and two a long time ago ~ no one noticed either!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::laughitup:
magnolia
04-19-2010, 08:32 PM
Hornsby called it- that it would be Perry. If Hornsby guessed, what are the chances that the defence team didn't know. And if they did know that Judge Perry was up next, then there is indeed method to their madness.
Of course they knew, imo. The defense had their sites on Judge Perry. Why?????
LittleBitty35
04-19-2010, 08:36 PM
Defense filed more motions today regarding taking DP off the table. Perhaps this was the motivation to remove the judge, to have some motions reheard? Reported on the OS article. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story?page=4
According to the article they seek a private hearing with the judge also.
"The defense team asks the court to set a hearing date as well as a private hearing with a judge, where the court "may hear additional evidence from the defense" in support of their motion."
Motions have not been filed yet on the docket or released to media as far as I know.
I don't know if this has been mentioned: but it is moo that the defense wanted Strickland removed to get all of those TES records they believe will somehow prove KC is innocent.
I have to say, Judge Strickland, is a fair and honest Judge. He deserves better than to have to recuse himself for the likes of KC. A man who has worked hard his entire life has to recuse himself for KC, an individual, unworthy of respect and unlikely to EVER be anything than a fly in God's ointment. It truly disgusts me that any of this has to even take place.
Sorry, Strickland, you deserved better--a lot better. Feel free to visit here any time. :)
ButForFortune
04-19-2010, 08:37 PM
If I was Jose I would sure be planning on moving my practice out of Orlando after this case is over. Every judge in Florida knows who these attorneys are and won't forget what they did. Cheney doesn't care - he's planning on retiring. And the rest of KC's "crew" is already practicing elsewhere. JMO.
Horace Finklestein
04-19-2010, 08:39 PM
And what in the HELL makes them think Judge Perry is going to be favorable about this motion and grant them a private hearing?!?!?!?
Nevermind. Go on and look more stupid and inept defense. It's all you know how to do.
It's going to be a glorious day when they run out of gimmicks, tactics, accusations, schemes and actually have to practice law. I hope the new judge does put an end to this nonsense!
beach
04-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Why a private meeting?
I'm thinking it is about the JAC, indigency $$$$ they can expect to have approved and at their disposal. $$$$ first, ykwim?
I was serious in my response, but can ya tell i am feeling a tad cynical this afternoon? ;)
faefrost
04-19-2010, 08:41 PM
oooooooooo that would be a tough motion to write:
"Your Honor, we are concerned that you might be prejudiced against racists, because, um, well, you're black. And our client is a racist, as evidenced by her attached writings..."
Thankfully this is one of those situations where this trick has been tried many times in the past. As a result No court in the land will use or allow the race of either the judge or the defendant, or percieved "racist" claims to be used as a reason to recuse a judge. You simply cannot in this land say "But the judge is black and I am a white ("racist") defendant! I can't get a fair trial!" and get away with it. Defense just blew their 1 chance at swapping judges. And I really think it's going to hurt them.
Does anyone else think that AL is sh@ting a br@ck about now? I mean the new judge has tried DP cases, and has that above linked decision finding the convicted murderer to not be mentally retarded and ok for execution. They's found themselves a hangin' judge is what they's gone and done.
I am betting that the first thing the new judge does is rather firmly indicate that he has reviewed the prior motions and decisions by JS, and sees no reason to re argue or re address any of them at this time.
I am also betting that JB will be lucky to survive 2 or 3 hearings in front of this judge before he gets bounced for competant council.
beach
04-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Schaeffer has some interesting comments on WFTV regarding Judge Strickland stepping down, Judge Bevin taking over, what kind of a Judge he has seen him be, and some comments on the new motions.
Runs a tighter timeline, indeed!
PS: I know we've been extremely busy the last three days but hasn't anyone noticed I passed 1000 posts?
:confused:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
CONGRATS girl! :blowkiss:
Shoot, I think I tripled my post count just over the weekend. lmao
MD MOMMY
04-19-2010, 08:45 PM
Why a private meeting?
This isn't the first time they have requested a private meeting, it's just what they do IMO.
magnolia
04-19-2010, 08:46 PM
Are you sure Sleuther? I'm not reading it like that, it sounds like a southern put down but I wouldn't have a clue.
I have a feeling CM knows exactly what it means. IMO
Brattigirle
04-19-2010, 08:48 PM
The rainbow got me. Why am I on the verge of tears over this? Am I a loser or what?:loser:
I am right with you, I pray for Caylee this all works out for the best.
RR0004
04-19-2010, 08:52 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6017904.story
Judge Stan Strickland is out, chief judge Belvin Perry is in.
I heard this guy is a bit tougher. (Better watch out JB) I'll miss JS...but I remind myself that this is about getting justice for Caylee. It doesn't change the facts of the case. Though I hate to see those d*mmies get at a judge (stupid law IMO)...Casey's not going anywhere for a very long time. Caylee will also be strongly represented in that court room.
Sdavidson11
04-19-2010, 08:52 PM
Of course they knew, imo. The defense had their sites on Judge Perry. Why?????
This is the question that I would like answered by one of our brilliant minds. I am sad to see JS go but I am more concerned why the defense wants this judge. If Mr. Hornsby called it, Mr. Mason knew as well. They didn't just do this because it was "fun".:banghead:
RR0004
04-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Thankfully this is one of those situations where this trick has been tried many times in the past. As a result No court in the land will use or allow the race of either the judge or the defendant, or percieved "racist" claims to be used as a reason to recuse a judge. You simply cannot in this land say "But the judge is black and I am a white ("racist") defendant! I can't get a fair trial!" and get away with it. Defense just blew their 1 chance at swapping judges. And I really think it's going to hurt them.
Does anyone else think that AL is sh@ting a br@ck about now? I mean the new judge has tried DP cases, and has that above linked decision finding the convicted murderer to not be mentally retarded and ok for execution. They's found themselves a hangin' judge is what they's gone and done.
I am betting that the first thing the new judge does is rather firmly indicate that he has reviewed the prior motions and decisions by JS, and sees no reason to re argue or re address any of them at this time.
I am also betting that JB will be lucky to survive 2 or 3 hearings in front of this judge before he gets bounced for competant council.
You took the words right out of my mouth...I don't think there will be any reversals.
Dear Prudence
04-19-2010, 08:55 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued.
Per a new motion today.
*respectfully snipped by me
This motion has no chance because the bolded above is so not true. There are two crimes that women commit just as often as men: shoplifting and filicide. Women who commit filicide are punished less severely than their male counterparts. Here's a great blog on it: http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/ Also we have a whole thread about filicide here, check it out if you have time: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72869&highlight=filicide&page=3
Judge Perry has presided over many, many high-profile cases and many, many death penalty cases. I hate to lose Judge Strickland but I think Perry is not going to waste any time in denying these motions and getting on with the important business of this case.
Schmerty_Jones
04-19-2010, 08:55 PM
Of course they knew, imo. The defense had their sites on Judge Perry. Why?????
Because the divide & conquer elements in the USA ,figure if you've got nothing left to lose ,stoop to racism ,name calling , kicks in the groin . They will win by down & dirty....... Sur:croc:prise!!! it ain't so:loser:
MD MOMMY
04-19-2010, 08:55 PM
What would totally crack me up is if JS showed up at the first hearing sitting on the prosecution side..OMG how funny would that be?
Intermezzo
04-19-2010, 08:55 PM
Oh lordy...on JVM they are now talking about how KC might now ask for a new defense attorney. How long can KC and/or her defense drag this out?
Justice for Caylee soon!
I don't know how long Casey et al can drag this out but as Macushla says in a post 214..Casey will still be in jail..
Reality Orlando
04-19-2010, 08:57 PM
"It is the Courts most fervent hope that this promise was truthful, given the nature of our current budget.
On the other hand, the Court fears that this statement may have been merely the product of an active imagination and tight boots"
Active imagination = Baez Tight Boots = Andrea Lyons
????????
I'm pretty sure it is a reference to CM as he's refering here to the statement about working for oranges, right?
I also think CM's comment "Trust me" may have been in reference to this:
Attorneys You Can Trust, Six of Orlando's Legal Legends. Orlando Magazine, 1997 Apparently CM is featured in this article.
The World According
04-19-2010, 08:57 PM
Wow, I just got off a plane and fired up my laptop to this! It is not a surprise. Too, too funny that Judge Strickland went out with a bang telling off the defense in such a public lashing.
How wonderful that the top dog of judges there is now to hear the case. He is going to hold the defense to every detail of every standard and make them get it together and not allow anymore stalling and nonsense. The defense is going to look back on Judge Strickland as the good old days. This judge is wholly offended by the defense one could easily guess and their honeymoon with the Florida courts extreme patience and kibitzing while Baez learns on the job is over, imo.
I hope all good things for Judge Strickland. It would take a lot more than the likes of Jose to derail his career. Everyone will recognize this for what it was, and I believe this will not reflect poorly on him in the slightest. Do you remember that poll the defense did and 89 percent , or some astronomical amount of those polled thought Baez was not honorable or trustworthy? I do think the judge's record for his career and lifetime of work will survive this with dignity and grace. He pissed right now, but this too shall pass. He will continue on his path and I believe he will make a wonderful judge however high up on that ladder he wishes to climb. Unlike Baez, we will be reading his learned, wise decisions many, many years into the future..maybe even from the Supreme Court. Baez is not important in the big picture of Judge Strickland's story of his life, by any stretch of the imagination. That is what helps me when I have something challenging or hurtful, I think if anyone should ever write my life story..would this even get a mention and more often than not, the answer is of course not. When you look at things in the big picture, the wonderful thing to know is that although someone slung mud.....they missed!!!!! Stand tall Judge, we all stand with you and history will be kind to you. You are a good, good man and that is perpetual. You can be proud of the work you do. I bet you sleep well and you are likely your parent's shining pride. May God continue to bless your life!
beach
04-19-2010, 08:59 PM
This is the question that I would like answered by one of our brilliant minds. I am sad to see JS go but I am more concerned why the defense wants this judge. If Mr. Hornsby called it, Mr. Mason knew as well. They didn't just do this because it was "fun".:banghead:
True, but Richard Hornsby also opined the defense would look back and consider this Motion the worst mistake they ever made.
RR0004
04-19-2010, 08:59 PM
FaerieB, you were soooooo right. Definitely worth the read.
Judge Strickland I give you a standing ovation, a round of applause, a BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!
Adieu fair Judge Strickland, Adieu.
I know on JVM they questioned his motion...but if this is the only way for him to have his say...SO BE IT!!
PS- they also said on the show that this move reeks of desperation (in my own words)...they got nada!
spyhouston
04-19-2010, 09:01 PM
This is just heartbreaking to me for JS. I am disgusted and hope the new judge doesn't sway one inch more than he needs to. The defense and the defendant are rats. Is CM or AL behind this madness?
Brattigirle
04-19-2010, 09:02 PM
With JP at the helm do any of you think that the defense may try to use some of the contents of KC's letters to claim Bias yet again? Oh and how many times can they cry wolf?
AZlawyer
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
With JP at the helm do any of you think that the defense may try to use some of the contents of KC's letters to claim Bias yet again? Oh and how many times can they cry wolf?
That's KC's bias, not the judge's bias!
That is a lovely tribute and written with such sincerity it makes me hope the honorable judge is reading the blogs tonight.
sleutherontheside
04-19-2010, 09:04 PM
The reference to oranges........J Cheney ( not to be confused with chain-ey) Mason commented that Henry Lee has been known to offer his expert opinion in exchange for a "crate of oranges".
Given Florida's issues this year with late winter temperatures and pests.....that "crate of oranges" may cost a wee bit more than anticipated.
gitana1
04-19-2010, 09:10 PM
Here's the order.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0419/23199242.pdf
Definitely worth the read, IMO! :)
ETA I knew I loved JS. :heart:
Woah!!!!!! JB is such an idiot. He has earned himself an enemy and he is going to have to face this judge in the future sometime, as well as JS's friends. The contempt JS has for JB is oozing from that order. Now the entire legal community will know the truth about JB even if they have not been following this case and that is that JB is a hypocritical boob. He should be ashamed.
absolut_alexis
04-19-2010, 09:10 PM
I love the last post script, which seems to the allegation he is attaching the footnote to and the overall whining of the defense: "This allegation must serve as a source of bemusement for the [state attorneys] who have verbally sparred with the Court many times, in many prior cases following adverse rulings"
It is like he laughing with them -- the defense doesn't know what's coming.
Aedrys
04-19-2010, 09:12 PM
Researchers have found that when women defy traditional gender stereotypes, and commit ‘men-type' crimes, there are punished more severely than comparable male offenders," Lyons argued. "The defense…has found four cases in the last five years where Orange County prosecutors have declined to seek the death penalty against fathers who murdered their children."
Per a new motion today. Off to re read AL's articles and cite references to sexism in the DP cases. I recall there is a reference to this issue somewhere. I will find it.
Before everyone freaks out.....let's recall KC's own words in jailhouse letters discussing JB and his reassurance that she would find someone to take care of her one day.
More and more folks.....I attribute these letters to an ORGANIZED effort to facilitate and contribute to a mantra by the defense. I'll be in the AL thread researching comments and "tricks".
Actually, it's the OPPOSITE, I would think. Courts traditionally rule in favor of the mother in custody and other cases, and I would think would rule WORSE if it's a man that has killed his children. Haven't we all been talking about how Casey's youthfulness may play into how she is judged and how some people just can't believe she did this BECAUSE Casey gave birth to Caylee and was her mother (in the loosest sense of the word, I might add). The fact that they only found FOUR cases in the last FIVE years goes even more to prove my point. How many hundreds of cases happen each year? Nice try defense, but this won't work.
This is pure BS. Ironically, we don't even know who Caylee's father is, and the only men in her life have consistently let her down. And wasn't the defense trying to imply Kronk was the one who did it because he's a perv with a duct tape and kiddie fetish? Sorry, but that's not worse than the child's OWN MOTHER killing her because she's not wanted anymore. Feminist, my a**. Casey WISHES she was a feminist instead of a...I won't finish that statement so I don't get banned.
Geez, next thing you know she's going to try to get Gloria Allred as her lawyer. I mean seriously!
LambChop
04-19-2010, 09:12 PM
I wonder now if this is part of the "fun" CM was talking about on the court steps after the last hearing. If so, how inappropriate. JMO
logicalgirl
04-19-2010, 09:15 PM
Wow, I just got off a plane and fired up my laptop to this! It is not a surprise. Too, too funny that Judge Strickland went out with a bang telling off the defense in such a public lashing.
How wonderful that the top dog of judges there is now to hear the case. He is going to hold the defense to every detail of every standard and make them get it together and not allow anymore stalling and nonsense. The defense is going to look back on Judge Strickland as the good old days. This judge is wholly offended by the defense one could easily guess and their honeymoon with the Florida courts extreme patience and kibitzing while Baez learns on the job is over, imo.
I hope all good things for Judge Strickland. It would take a lot more than the likes of Jose to derail his career. Everyone will recognize this for what it was, and I believe this will not reflect poorly on him in the slightest. Do you remember that poll the defense did and 89 percent , or some astronomical amount of those polled thought Baez was not honorable or trustworthy? I do think the judge's record for his career and lifetime of work will survive this with dignity and grace. He pissed right now, but this too shall pass. He will continue on his path and I believe he will make a wonderful judge however high up on that ladder he wishes to climb. Unlike Baez, we will be reading his learned, wise decisions many, many years into the future..maybe even from the Supreme Court. Baez is not important in the big picture of Judge Strickland's story of his life, by any stretch of the imagination. That is what helps me when I have something challenging or hurtful, I think if anyone should ever write my life story..would this even get a mention and more often than not, the answer is of course not. When you look at things in the big picture, the wonderful thing to know is that although someone slung mud.....they missed!!!!! Stand tall Judge, we all stand with you and history will be kind to you. You are a good, good man and that is perpetual. You can be proud of the work you do. I bet you sleep well and you are likely your parent's shining pride. May God continue to bless your life!
Well said TWA! Now, tell me - do you think this new Judge is going to allow Baez to address him as "Judge", instead of "Your Honor"?
jcamille
04-19-2010, 09:26 PM
What is the defenses real motivation for this?
I think the real motivation is to drag this out as long as possible. This case is JB's proverbial golden ticket.
I think they are also trying to find a way to drag the case out longer to delay the inevitable - KC going to prison. As far as living conditions go, she's got it easy right now. I imagine her life will be far worse when she gets out of jail and into prison for the rest of her life.
There's a murder case here that just went to trial - SIX years after the crime was committed (in 2004). Can you imagine if this drags on another two, three, four years before she is tried? That could be four more years in jail, instead of four more years in prison. Given the option, I think KC and company will try to stall as long as they can.
momtective
04-19-2010, 09:30 PM
Just hearing this news...how very sad that such a stellar Judge had to go out under the siege of a worm like Jose Baez. I commend this man, His Honor, for taking into consideration the likelihood of an appeal had he remained seated on this case. I commend him for the respect he showed our lil Caylee by refusing to be "the reason" for an appeal and I commend him for being a genuinely compassionate and extremely patient human being. But most of all I commend him stepping aside so as to allow JB to receive the proper and long overdue a$$ whoppin' I'm confident he will now receive.
Your Honor, your order rocked! Now sit back and enjoy the rest of the circus.
magnolia
04-19-2010, 09:37 PM
This is the question that I would like answered by one of our brilliant minds. I am sad to see JS go but I am more concerned why the defense wants this judge. If Mr. Hornsby called it, Mr. Mason knew as well. They didn't just do this because it was "fun".:banghead:
I think this was all planned when CM decided to become part of the defense team. I am very concerned about the new Judge, because, I don't think the defense would cut off their nose to spite their face.
ZsaZsa
04-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Or is that last motion I saw to take the Death Penalty off the table..Did that come today? Gee talk about motions flying:banghead:
Yes, and if you watch Bill Sheaffer's comments he says it was expected and the new Judge will dispatch that motion pretty quickly..
Dear Prudence
04-19-2010, 09:46 PM
Actually, it's the OPPOSITE, I would think. Courts traditionally rule in favor of the mother in custody and other cases, and I would think would rule WORSE if it's a man that has killed his children. Haven't we all been talking about how Casey's youthfulness may play into how she is judged and how some people just can't believe she did this BECAUSE Casey gave birth to Caylee and was her mother (in the loosest sense of the word, I might add). The fact that they only found FOUR cases in the last FIVE years goes even more to prove my point. How many hundreds of cases happen each year? Nice try defense, but this won't work.
This is pure BS. Ironically, we don't even know who Caylee's father is, and the only men in her life have consistently let her down. And wasn't the defense trying to imply Kronk was the one who did it because he's a perv with a duct tape and kiddie fetish? Sorry, but that's not worse than the child's OWN MOTHER killing her because she's not wanted anymore. Feminist, my a**. Casey WISHES she was a feminist instead of a...I won't finish that statement so I don't get banned.
Geez, next thing you know she's going to try to get Gloria Allred as her lawyer. I mean seriously!
ITA, it's pure BS. I couldn't even finish reading the motion because it makes me want to puke that Andrea Lyon is saying the prosecution is seeking the death penalty because of sexism against KC, when Andrea Lyon spewed such sexist remarks herself towards female prosecutors in the lecture tapes. :puke:
Interesting that CF News 13 is again the first media outlet to have these defense motions. Not only are they not stamped received by the court, they are not even signed by anyone (Mason, Baez, KC) except Lyon.
Link to motions: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/19/judge_strickland_removes_self_from_casey_case.html
faefrost
04-19-2010, 09:53 PM
What would totally crack me up is if JS showed up at the first hearing sitting on the prosecution side..OMG how funny would that be?
He wouldn't. That would be taken as unduly influencing the presiding judge and could result in a mistrial or appeal. he has said exactly what he needed to say. He will probably fade from the scene of this trial in the courtroom.
However I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a few new bar complaints show up regarding the defense team. And you can almost guarantee he will probably show up in person for any bar hearings regarding JB etc. Those don't have a direct or appealble impact on the case.
I wonder if since he has left the case it would be permissable for him to do some TV talking head work?
Schmerty_Jones
04-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Stupid BOZO probably thought he could pick the Judge of his choice .IMO
He did! He is that delusional!!!
Aedrys
04-19-2010, 09:55 PM
I think this was all planned when CM decided to become part of the defense team. I am very concerned about the new Judge, because, I don't think the defense would cut off their nose to spite their face.
You're talking about THIS defense? *falls on the floor laughing*
My dear, you have NOTHING to worry about. They've already cut off EVERYTHING to spite only themselves. Believe me, this doesn't benefit them in ANY way.
Raising my glass to Stan. Here's to you, Your Honor. What a class act
AMEN To that
The World According
04-19-2010, 10:16 PM
I think this was all planned when CM decided to become part of the defense team. I am very concerned about the new Judge, because, I don't think the defense would cut off their nose to spite their face.
With respect, yes they would. They have. Often!
There are professors around the country using this defense of Miss Anthony as a prime example of what NOT TO DO!!!
They have a very poor understanding of procedures, the rules, the facts and the law in this case. Their jumping off point, therefore, is already in the weeds. Everything, every single thing they thought was such a bright idea has backfired and harmed their client's case in ways that would be tough to measure. That they would bite off their nose to spite their face is being overly generous.
I agree that Cheney came on the case planning to ask for this, and he certainly believes the defense has been wholly misguided all along and he is here to redo all of the motions that the defense prepared and argued in vain. I do not think it is so much that he believes the judge ruled unfairly, as it is he believes he, Cheney, could have taken the same set of facts and proceeded in a more realistic, experienced manner. He opined about the mess the defense had made of the case, more than once, before he came on the case. In my opinion this reflects on Baez, not the judge. It is as if he arrived on the scene and called a family meeting to announce OK kids let Daddy show you how it is done. Watch and learn!!!!
The very funny thing is when they do try to have matters heard for the second time, the new judge is going to slap them down so hard you will feel the sting just watching! Not only are they not going to prevail on their motions, they will be much worse off with the second ruling than the first that Judge Strickland ruled on. When you were a kid did your parent ever tell you, stop that crying.....before I give you something to cry about?!!!!
Mr. Baez and Mr. Cheney , buckle up, it is going to be a bumpy ride!!!
Macushla
04-19-2010, 10:19 PM
I wonder which member of the Defense team lost the coin toss and had to be the one to explain to JB that JS's order to grant the motion skewered them all! I don't think JB would have gotten it on his own.
MD MOMMY
04-19-2010, 10:22 PM
He wouldn't. That would be taken as unduly influencing the presiding judge and could result in a mistrial or appeal. he has said exactly what he needed to say. He will probably fade from the scene of this trial in the courtroom.
However I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a few new bar complaints show up regarding the defense team. And you can almost guarantee he will probably show up in person for any bar hearings regarding JB etc. Those don't have a direct or appealble impact on the case.
I wonder if since he has left the case it would be permissable for him to do some TV talking head work?
This I totally know LOL. I was letting my mind go free. He wouldn't dare jeopardize this case which is exactly the reason he stepped down. I tend to dream:dance:
I also think we'll be hearing from Judge S BUT not until he retires and this case is over. JMO. His career is way too important to him.
Steely Dan
04-19-2010, 10:22 PM
It seems to me this is a very stupid move on the part of the defense. They should have gone ahead with the trial and then after she was convicted they could have used it as an excuse to declare a mistrial. JMO
Tricia
04-19-2010, 10:29 PM
Please comment on the support thread we have going for Judge Strickland. I would like this thread to be really big. :)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102091&page=3
beach
04-19-2010, 10:30 PM
A few observations about Cheney Mason ----
1) Make no mistake - this was HIS motion and HIS idea. pinky swear
2) Only CM knows for sure, however it is my belief he filed this in re. future appellate issues and in hopes of more favorable decisions in re. previously denied motions. I certainly can't fathom any other reason.
3) I have yet to hear a single fellow defense attorney from central FL opine that this was a wise choice.
4) BEWARE! This move is evidence of Mr. Mason's shrewd nature. Mr. Mason has publically stated that he is nearing retirement. Therefore, he will probably never have another case in front of Judge Strickland. (why should he care if he po'd JS? no skin off of his back) However, Baez WILL have to face him again. (y'all just think you've heard him stuttering! lol) I am dancing carefully around it, but basically CM doesn't give a damn about his own co-counsel either. Baez should be sleeping with one eye open trying to dodge the next knife in CM's arsenal.
In summary, Cheney Mason isn't going to win any Mr. Congeniality awards around here. :D It was much easier to just deal with an incompetent buffoon.
scout35
04-19-2010, 10:36 PM
I am afraid that this new judge will not allow cameras in the court room, more so for the actual trial. I know that the most important thing is for Caylee to get the justice that is due to her, I just want to see it happen!
WhyaDuck?
04-19-2010, 10:40 PM
This is all fairly silly - it isn't like he was online commenting something like, "LOL, I know! I am just biding my time til I can slap the guilty on her. LOL."
However, it was the decent thing to do to step down - gives them one less gripe in what is bound to be an endless appeals process with this lot.
sleutherontheside
04-19-2010, 10:40 PM
A few observations about Cheney Mason ----
1) Make no mistake - this was HIS motion and HIS idea. pinky swear
2) Only CM knows for sure, however it is my belief he filed this in re. future appellate issues and in hopes of more favorable decisions in re. previously denied motions. I certainly can't fathom any other reason.
3) I have yet to hear a single fellow defense attorney from central FL opine that this was a wise choice.
4) BEWARE! This move is evidence of Mr. Mason's shrewd nature. Mr. Mason has publically stated that he is nearing retirement. Therefore, he will probably never have another case in front of Judge Strickland. (why should he care if he po'd JS? no skin off of his back) However, Baez WILL have to face him again. (y'all just think you've heard him stuttering! lol) I am dancing carefully around it, but basically CM doesn't give a damn about his own co-counsel either. Baez should be sleeping with one eye open trying to dodge the next knife in CM's arsenal.
In summary, Cheney Mason isn't going to win any Mr. Congeniality awards around here. :D It was much easier to just deal with an incompetent buffoon.
BBM...
That may be up for debate.........
LancelotLink
04-19-2010, 10:43 PM
CM did make the remark that he was tired of seeing how things were going when JS asked what took him so long to show up on this Dteam.
Out of lurking for this one, Wow...
Well, now Caylee has the Cheif Judge watching over her case. Works for me.
Hope Judge S. will take a long, well deserved vaction.
Has anyone been able to find Judge Perry's birthday? Can't seem to find it.
Judge Perry's DOB. 10/11/49
beach
04-19-2010, 10:45 PM
BBM...
That may be up for debate.........
true dat! I should have qualified that with "considering his license has not been revoked by the FL Bar".
Better? ;)
MD MOMMY
04-19-2010, 10:57 PM
true dat! I should have qualified that with "considering his license has not been revoked by the FL Bar".
Better? ;)
OR "he may never get hired again in the state of FL" due to his stellar *COUGH*performance thus far"
strawberry
04-19-2010, 10:57 PM
I wonder what the A's think about all of this?
Dignity4Victims
04-19-2010, 11:04 PM
I wonder what the A's think about all of this?
Cindy's PO'd she'll have to swallow her gum at the door now and George is just begging her not to stick it behind his ear.
beach
04-19-2010, 11:07 PM
The more I think about it....and after reading Richard Hornsby's remark...
I'm not so sure that CM didn't shoot down Baez today, too. I mean like...
Judge Strickland may initiate enough Bar complaints that he won't be able to appear before him again. Ever.
Me thinks CM was armed with a double-barrell shotgun and a couple of knives.
darnudes
04-19-2010, 11:10 PM
BBM...
That may be up for debate.........
Your lips to God's ears.
Aedrys
04-19-2010, 11:11 PM
I wonder what the A's think about all of this?
Yeah, how come BC didn't run out to the media BEFORE this motion was relaesed to make a remark like "We know what's it like to be accused of impropriety, and we feel sorry for anyone who is accused of it." Or some statement supporting Marinade Dave afterwards? He does like you a lot, probably thought you were friends, but where are ya now? Where have you been?
What, no pre-emptive strikes anymore, A's? Nothing to say afterwards either? Hello? Bueller? Anyone there?
Should we call an ambulance to their house to make sure they're still alive?
Pink Panther
04-19-2010, 11:13 PM
This case will go down as a the most laughable in US history. Ridiculous from beginning to "middle" so far...With millions of dollars being spent unneccesarily - at the tax-payer's expense - to carry on-and-on drivel...drivel...drivel. I haven't been here for quite a while and "looked in" to see what was going on tonight only to find myself utterly dismayed that NOTHING has happened beyond the usual miscarriage of justice hidden behind agendas that have nothing to do with justice! Poor Caylee. She was just learning to communicate. A little person...She deserved much more. And still does.
I hated visiting here tonight. It totally diminished by belief in justice and fairness. As always, when I've looked in on this circus dancing over the murder of an innocent child.
MOO
rhornsby
04-19-2010, 11:17 PM
The more I think about it....and after reading Richard Hornsby's remark...
I'm not so sure that CM didn't shoot down Baez today, too. I mean like...
Judge Strickland may initiate enough Bar complaints that he won't be able to appear before him again. Ever.
Me thinks CM was armed with a double-barrell shotgun and a couple of knives.
The winner in today's developments is the prosecution.
Judge Perry is a former prosecutor who is a no-nonsense, law and order, black letter law judge. Unless the legal issue is well settled in the defense's favor he will never rule for them; whereas Judge Strickland would be more apt to give an expansive view of the law.
More importantly, Judge Perry is the legislative liaison for the ninth circuit. So you can assure yourself that that the purse strings for the defense budgeting conference will be pulled tight.
beach
04-19-2010, 11:21 PM
The winner in today's developments is the prosecution.
Judge Perry is a former prosecutor who is a no-nonsense, law and order, black letter law judge. Unless the legal issue is well settled in the defense's favor he will never rule for them; whereas Judge Strickland would be more apt to give an expansive view of the law.
More importantly, Judge Perry is the legislative liaison for the ninth circuit. So you can assure yourself that that the purse strings for the defense budgeting conference will be pulled tight.
Then WTH did Mason do this?!?!
I heard you opine that this is exactly who would take over the case (Judge Perry). Certainly Mason had an inkling, too. For the life of me, I do not understand this strategy. Wayyyyy too risky, imo.
Wescott
04-19-2010, 11:25 PM
Man, I would have love to seen the reaction the defense had after reading this!
I would have loved to have seen the reaction at the SA's office.
darnudes
04-19-2010, 11:29 PM
I would have loved to have seen the reaction at the SA's office.
I can see that sardonic smile on Mr Aston's face. I bet he can't wait to get into court for the next hearing.
beach
04-19-2010, 11:29 PM
I would have loved to have seen the reaction at the SA's office.
I'm guessing there was alcohol poured and a few toasts made in his Honor. :)
rhornsby
04-19-2010, 11:30 PM
A few observations about Cheney Mason ----
1) Make no mistake - this was HIS motion and HIS idea. pinky swear
2) Only CM knows for sure, however it is my belief he filed this in re. future appellate issues and in hopes of more favorable decisions in re. previously denied motions. I certainly can't fathom any other reason.
3) I have yet to hear a single fellow defense attorney from central FL opine that this was a wise choice.
4) BEWARE! This move is evidence of Mr. Mason's shrewd nature. Mr. Mason has publically stated that he is nearing retirement. Therefore, he will probably never have another case in front of Judge Strickland. (why should he care if he po'd JS? no skin off of his back) However, Baez WILL have to face him again. (y'all just think you've heard him stuttering! lol) I am dancing carefully around it, but basically CM doesn't give a damn about his own co-counsel either. Baez should be sleeping with one eye open trying to dodge the next knife in CM's arsenal.
In summary, Cheney Mason isn't going to win any Mr. Congeniality awards around here. :D It was much easier to just deal with an incompetent buffoon.
You pretty much nailed what had been my thoughts. This motion is nothing more than a pissing match by Mason to assert his authority after Strickland put him in his place at Cheney Mason's coming out hearing.
Marina2
04-19-2010, 11:31 PM
I would have loved to have seen the reaction at the SA's office.
I'd love to have heard conversation between Strickland and Perry.
beach
04-19-2010, 11:34 PM
More importantly, Judge Perry is the legislative liaison for the ninth circuit. So you can assure yourself that that the purse strings for the defense budgeting conference will be pulled tight.
--repectfully snipped
....the visual of Andrea Lyons checking in to the local Motel 6 has me in hysterics! :floorlaugh:
mimimama5
04-19-2010, 11:37 PM
Thank you I am wondering the same. I am from the south but this one is new to me.
This has probably already been answered but I took it to be a "pinching of the shoe" reference. Nobody knows the pain of a man who is being pinched by his own shoe for the sake of his pride or ego. JM interpretation, I could be very wrong.
autumnlover
04-19-2010, 11:37 PM
You know, I really felt like I was punched in the gut when I read this news. I hate to say this (please forgive me for sounding so immature) but I'm getting to the point where I completely view JB and his minions as enemies and not just lawyers doing their job. I know that's not rational but right now I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment and am very, very angry. They just filed another 4 motions and I'm sure the list will go on and on. These days, I have to remind myself more and more that this is about a sweet two-year-old and not an attorney with an over-inflated ego. Okay, I'm pouring myself a glass of wine, now.
The only saving grace was JS's order. It was scathingly brilliant! However, don't be surprised if JB & Co. go on national television to attack JS for the way he wrote the order.
darnudes
04-19-2010, 11:40 PM
This has probably already been answered but I took it to be a "pinching of the shoe" reference. Nobody knows the pain of a man who is being pinched by his own shoe for the sake of his pride or ego. JM interpretation, I could be very wrong.
Aha, this makes a lot of sense. Thank you :)
miss plum
04-19-2010, 11:41 PM
Then WTH did Mason do this?!?!
I heard you opine that this is exactly who would take over the case (Judge Perry). Certainly Mason had an inkling, too. For the life of me, I do not understand this strategy. Wayyyyy too risky, imo.
I've come up with a theory that might not be true, but does make some sense where there seems to be none.
It is that CM (and probably AL) all along has wanted KC to take a plea agreement, and for JB to get out of her way. If I recall correctly CM, in comments he made before he was working for KC, thought a plea was her best chance. A defense lawyer of his experience would have to be appalled by how badly JB has handled everything to date. By cooking this motion up, with JB's naive blessing, CM has now manipulated the case so that KC has to face a tougher judge than she did before. This whole move is crazy and reckless unless you want your client to plea. Then it makes sense because it gives you more leverage. Maybe CM wants to put the heat on KC to save her from herself and JB's false optimism.
There is a good chance CM's agenda is not to have a circus of a trial resulting in his client getting sentenced to death.
ETA: I'm happy to get shot down but I have felt bamboozled for hours and when this idea came to me I was quite excited.
beach
04-19-2010, 11:44 PM
You pretty much nailed what had been my thoughts. This motion is nothing more than a pissing match by Mason to assert his authority after Strickland put him in his place at Cheney Mason's coming out hearing.
yay! Credit to you, AZ and other attys. here for helping me learn sooo much.
Thanks sooooo much for dropping by tonight to give us your take on the new developments! :blowkiss:
babycat
04-19-2010, 11:45 PM
This has probably already been answered but I took it to be a "pinching of the shoe" reference. Nobody knows the pain of a man who is being pinched by his own shoe for the sake of his pride or ego. JM interpretation, I could be very wrong.
Way off topic, but I'm LOLverdosing on that one.
I'd be caught dead before whining about shoe pain. Especially in some hot shoes. I just deal until they're broken in. Haha. Guess I share that ego :blushing:
southernbrunette
04-19-2010, 11:45 PM
Excuse me as I am coming in late, but isn't Judge Perry black..and doesn't KC make derogatory statements (or am I confused) about black people in jail in her letters?
WFTV reports he's a no-nonsense judge. I appreciated JS for being fair and for being patient despite the buffoonary displayed by the defense team. The defense couldn't have asked for a better judge to work in their favor, IMO. Now they have gotten what they asked for but they may not like the outcome..and how silly would they make themselves look to even suggest that they get yet another judge..
beach
04-19-2010, 11:47 PM
I've come up with a theory that might not be true, but does make some sense where there seems to be none.
It is that CM (and probably AL) all along has wanted KC to take a plea agreement, and for JB to get out of her way. If I recall correctly CM, in comments he made before he was working for KC, thought a plea was her best chance. A defense lawyer of his experience would have to be appalled by how badly JB has handled everything to date. By cooking this motion up, with JB's naive blessing, CM has now manipulated the case so that KC has to face a tougher judge than she did before. This whole move is crazy and reckless unless you want your client to plea. Then it makes sense because it gives you more leverage. Maybe CM wants to put the heat on KC to save her from herself and JB's false optimism.
There is a good chance CM's agenda is not be not a circus of a trial resulting in his client getting sentenced to death.
ETA: I'm happy to get shot down but I have felt bamboozled for hours and when this idea came to me I was quite excited.
I think your theory seems very plausible!!!
Granted, I'm not convinced Cheney Mason's ego won't get in the way, but your theory makes perfect sense to me.
southernbrunette
04-19-2010, 11:51 PM
I've come up with a theory that might not be true, but does make some sense where there seems to be none.
It is that CM (and probably AL) all along has wanted KC to take a plea agreement, and for JB to get out of her way. If I recall correctly CM, in comments he made before he was working for KC, thought a plea was her best chance. A defense lawyer of his experience would have to be appalled by how badly JB has handled everything to date. By cooking this motion up, with JB's naive blessing, CM has now manipulated the case so that KC has to face a tougher judge than she did before. This whole move is crazy and reckless unless you want your client to plea. Then it makes sense because it gives you more leverage. Maybe CM wants to put the heat on KC to save her from herself and JB's false optimism.
There is a good chance CM's agenda is not be not a circus of a trial resulting in his client getting sentenced to death.
ETA: I'm happy to get shot down but I have felt bamboozled for hours and when this idea came to me I was quite excited.
I sure hope you are right. i can't imagine any other reason why someone of CM's experience would even associate with Baez, I've often thought he was close to retirement and maybe just didn't care and saw that they'd openly welcome any and all help from other lawyers..
southernbrunette
04-19-2010, 11:54 PM
I'd love to have heard conversation between Strickland and Perry.
I hope they're real good friends!
Wishbone
04-19-2010, 11:55 PM
This case will go down as a the most laughable in US history. Ridiculous from beginning to "middle" so far...With millions of dollars being spent unneccesarily - at the tax-payer's expense - to carry on-and-on drivel...drivel...drivel. I haven't been here for quite a while and "looked in" to see what was going on tonight only to find myself utterly dismayed that NOTHING has happened beyond the usual miscarriage of justice hidden behind agendas that have nothing to do with justice! Poor Caylee. She was just learning to communicate. A little person...She deserved much more. And still does.
I hated visiting here tonight. It totally diminished by belief in justice and fairness. As always, when I've looked in on this circus dancing over the murder of an innocent child.
MOO
It really is hard to watch. I’ve had to remove myself several times and imagine I will be doing so again very soon. As I like to say, this saga is lolling in its own immensity…….to the detriment of justice.
butterfly1978
04-19-2010, 11:56 PM
I must say Mr. Hornsby, I rarely agree with you, because you always seem to be so pro-Casey and all into conspiracy theories, IMO!!!!. However I am very impressed with you today, I have actually thanked several of your comments. Thanks for your insight.
mimimama5
04-20-2010, 12:00 AM
Way off topic, but I'm LOLverdosing on that one.
I'd be caught dead before whining about shoe pain. Especially in some hot shoes. I just deal until they're broken in. Haha. Guess I share that ego :blushing:
babycat, I didnt even have to look at your location to know you are a fine southern woman!! LOL.
darnudes
04-20-2010, 12:02 AM
I must say Mr. Hornsby, I rarely agree with you, because you always seem to be so pro-Casey and all into conspiracy theories. However I am very impressed with you today, I have actually thanked several of your comments. Thanks for your insight.
You can't accuse Hornsby of being pro anything - he gives you his point of view as a defense attorney, take it or leave it.
Hornsby has stated his views on Casey many times but some people only read what they wanna read.
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 12:05 AM
You can't accuse Hornsby of being pro anything - he gives you his point of view as a defense attorney, take it or leave it.
Hornsby has stated his views on Casey many times but some people only read what they wanna read.
Im sorry I failed to put IMO, but I went back and edited it.
logicalgirl
04-20-2010, 12:06 AM
If anyone is interested in getting a feel for Judge Perry in action, here is an old 5 min video of him in court....
http://www.wftv.com/video/17714433/index.html
So far, I am really liking his strong, authoritive attitude and can't wait to see the first time he faces Baez....
Thanks for this Kentjbkent - It was really interesting to watch this Judge in action. He has a much more fast moving, formal and no nonsense style than JS. I noticed no one called him "Judge", there was no lingering when court ended, and he marched right on out of there.
I don't see a man like this calling MD over for any kind of a chat. And Cindy, hide your gum! I think we are about to see a case just boom along.
Marina2
04-20-2010, 12:07 AM
I hope they're real good friends!
Of course they are. :)
Aedrys
04-20-2010, 12:07 AM
It really is hard to watch. I’ve had to remove myself several times and imagine I will be doing so again very soon. As I like to say, this saga is lolling in its own immensity…….to the detriment of justice.
I swear, by the time this is over, it's going to take a mini series to recap the entire case. They may have bring in James Cameron to do a four hour movie in 3D or something. It just won't fit into a one hour show. Unbelievable.
And yeah, I almost wanted to remove myself today because of what happened. But I keep thinking of Caylee, and I have to stay on until she gets justice!
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
darnudes
04-20-2010, 12:08 AM
Im sorry I failed to put IMO, but I went back and edited it.
Sorry Butterfly, not trying to have a go at you but I am so sick and tired of hearing about this pro Casey stuff.
The world is not black and white, it is grey, grey, grey unless you're sitting on a rainbow with Judge Strickland.
butwhatif?
04-20-2010, 12:12 AM
You know, I really felt like I was punched in the gut when I read this news. I hate to say this (please forgive me for sounding so immature) but I'm getting to the point where I completely view JB and his minions as enemies and not just lawyers doing their job. I know that's not rational but right now I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment and am very, very angry. They just filed another 4 motions and I'm sure the list will go on and on. These days, I have to remind myself more and more that this is about a sweet two-year-old and not an attorney with an over-inflated ego. Okay, I'm pouring myself a glass of wine, now.
The only saving grace was JS's order. It was scathingly brilliant! However, don't be surprised if JB & Co. go on national television to attack JS for the way he wrote the order.
BBM- I was wondering how this may play-out in the future if JB was to come before JSS again with a different client (if anyone will have him).
Can JB claim that JSS has a clear bias against him overall, based on JSS's order, that wasn't very thinly veiled, but was wonderfully witty, and well-put?
Does this pave the way for more motions like this one, whenever JSS is the presiding Judge , and JB is the bumbling defense atty in his courtroom?
TIA
ETA: Nevermind. Already asked and answered in the legal thread.
This motion is nothing more than a pissing match by Mason to assert his authority after Strickland put him in his place at Cheney Mason's coming out hearing.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I first read the motion.
logicalgirl
04-20-2010, 12:20 AM
I swear, by the time this is over, it's going to take a mini series to recap the entire case. They may have bring in James Cameron to do a four hour movie in 3D or something. It just won't fit into a one hour show. Unbelievable.
And yeah, I almost wanted to remove myself today because of what happened. But I keep thinking of Caylee, and I have to stay on until she gets justice!
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
:applause:
:rolling::rolling::rolling:
southernbrunette
04-20-2010, 12:23 AM
I swear, by the time this is over, it's going to take a mini series to recap the entire case. They may have bring in James Cameron to do a four hour movie in 3D or something. It just won't fit into a one hour show. Unbelievable.
And yeah, I almost wanted to remove myself today because of what happened. But I keep thinking of Caylee, and I have to stay on until she gets justice!
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
BBM...wow. you really can't make this up!! Holy crap!
butwhatif?
04-20-2010, 12:31 AM
This is exactly what I was thinking when I first read the motion.
And yet the one honorable man in that courtroom who wasn't taking part in the pissing contest, is now gone!
elementary
04-20-2010, 12:36 AM
This has probably already been answered but I took it to be a "pinching of the shoe" reference. Nobody knows the pain of a man who is being pinched by his own shoe for the sake of his pride or ego. JM interpretation, I could be very wrong.
I found this expression (googled) used by Thomas Carlyle, a "moral pinching of the shoe". You clarified it. Thanks!
This means one could infer that this was one hell of a smackdown. CM may be cunning, but he lacks wit. I wonder if he grasps its import. Judge Strickland certainly has his number!
BBM- I was wondering how this may play-out in the future if JB was to come before JSS again with a different client (if anyone will have him).
Can JB claim that JSS has a clear bias against him overall, based on JSS's order, that wasn't very thinly veiled, but was wonderfully witty, and well-put?
Does this pave the way for more motions like this one, whenever JSS is the presiding Judge , and JB is the bumbling defense atty in his courtroom?
TIA
I really don't think this will be an issue in the future. I don't see JB practicing law for too much longer. He has committed moral, ethical and criminal violations.. "The time for honoring yourself will soon come to an end"...(credit to Gladiator)
RR0004
04-20-2010, 12:41 AM
You pretty much nailed what had been my thoughts. This motion is nothing more than a pissing match by Mason to assert his authority after Strickland put him in his place at Cheney Mason's coming out hearing.
This is one of the reason's why I dislike attorneys...present company excluded, of course : )
ETA: ...and all the attorneys in my family (kinda)
static
04-20-2010, 12:42 AM
You pretty much nailed what had been my thoughts. This motion is nothing more than a pissing match by Mason to assert his authority after Strickland put him in his place at Cheney Mason's coming out hearing.
So what do you think Mason will do when Perry puts him in his place?
beach
04-20-2010, 12:42 AM
I swear, by the time this is over, it's going to take a mini series to recap the entire case. They may have bring in James Cameron to do a four hour movie in 3D or something. It just won't fit into a one hour show. Unbelievable.
And yeah, I almost wanted to remove myself today because of what happened. But I keep thinking of Caylee, and I have to stay on until she gets justice!
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
BMM
omg...ROFLMAO!
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
RR0004
04-20-2010, 12:50 AM
He wouldn't. That would be taken as unduly influencing the presiding judge and could result in a mistrial or appeal. he has said exactly what he needed to say. He will probably fade from the scene of this trial in the courtroom.
However I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a few new bar complaints show up regarding the defense team. And you can almost guarantee he will probably show up in person for any bar hearings regarding JB etc. Those don't have a direct or appealble impact on the case.
I wonder if since he has left the case it would be permissable for him to do some TV talking head work?
Do we know what the outcome was of his (JS) last bar complaint?
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 12:56 AM
Do we know what the outcome was of his (JS) last bar complaint?
JS filed another bar complaint? When what was it about? Was it about what was in Casey's letters about JB and passing contraband?
Trapshooter
04-20-2010, 12:57 AM
I just read the motion by the Honorable Judge Strickland and I must say the MAN uses words like an artist uses paint! Bravo Judge Strickland!
SoCalSleuth
04-20-2010, 01:01 AM
I haven't seen this posted so forgive me if it's been: Since a new judge has been assigned, I think the defense may be able to use a peremptory challenge (challenge without cause) to get yet another judge assigned. May be different in Florida, but I don't think so.
Dignity4Victims
04-20-2010, 01:01 AM
So what do you think Mason will do when Perry puts him in his place?
Squat on his spurs and blubber like a baby.
njustice
04-20-2010, 01:04 AM
Apologies if this has already been brought up, but does this just amount to another stall tactic by the defense? I can't imagine what they would have to gain by removing Judge S. from the case. I always thought he was rediculously fair...
mitzi
04-20-2010, 01:04 AM
"...The Court's foundational belief in our judicial process, and the committment to its purpose are unwavering.
The issue before the Court presently is the Defendant's Motion to Disqualify the undersigned filed (courageously!) at 4:48 p.m. on Friday afternoon, April 16th, 2010."
Can't be shy about it anymore. I ADORE THIS MAN! So glad he at least got to write this granting order and right now I can't think of any human being for whom I would rather buy a beer.
Can't wait to see the first time JB or CM get accosted by Kathi Belich and she asks about this granting order. :dance:
OneLostGrl
04-20-2010, 01:06 AM
I agree. Wish I could be the one a few months down the road to ask the defense, "how's that working for ya?"
Yeah like that gag order.. :laugh:
autumnlover
04-20-2010, 01:39 AM
I swear, by the time this is over, it's going to take a mini series to recap the entire case. They may have bring in James Cameron to do a four hour movie in 3D or something. It just won't fit into a one hour show. Unbelievable.
And yeah, I almost wanted to remove myself today because of what happened. But I keep thinking of Caylee, and I have to stay on until she gets justice!
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
BBM.
OMG! That's hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. I really needed it.
Wescott
04-20-2010, 01:46 AM
Thanks for this Kentjbkent - It was really interesting to watch this Judge in action. He has a much more fast moving, formal and no nonsense style than JS. I noticed no one called him "Judge", there was no lingering when court ended, and he marched right on out of there.
I don't see a man like this calling MD over for any kind of a chat. And Cindy, hide your gum! I think we are about to see a case just boom along.
He is very interesting to watch for sure. IMO I can't see him delaying the trial as some of the talking heads are suggesting eg JVM. He was presiding over the GJ proceedings and I would bet that he has kept fairly up to speed on this case.
nums24
04-20-2010, 02:01 AM
I am afraid that this new judge will not allow cameras in the court room, more so for the actual trial. I know that the most important thing is for Caylee to get the justice that is due to her, I just want to see it happen!
I was wondering if the prosecution would refile the gag order request..
technicalconfusion
04-20-2010, 02:20 AM
You know, I really felt like I was punched in the gut when I read this news. I hate to say this (please forgive me for sounding so immature) but I'm getting to the point where I completely view JB and his minions as enemies and not just lawyers doing their job.
Oh you're not alone! I hiss at the defense every time I see them.
technicalconfusion
04-20-2010, 02:26 AM
OMG, I just realized this is going to be Perry vs. Mason. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP!
:floorlaugh:
Gypsy Road
04-20-2010, 02:43 AM
I'm really disappointed to see Judge Strickland go, but I can't wait for the new defense motions to be heard! I'm not sure if they have already been discussed here, and my apologies if they have. I didn't know where else to bring it up, but if you read the newest update from the Orlando Sentinel you will find them. I don't have a link to the actual motions, but here's a snippet and a link to the article...
"In other developments in the Anthony case Monday, defense attorneys filed several more motions.
In one of the motions, Anthony's defense team argues that Florida's capital sentencing procedure is unconstitutional. The defense argues because Florida's law is unconstitutional, "death is not a possible sentence."
Based on their argument, the defense claims the court must enter an order precluding imposition of the death penalty in the event Anthony is convicted."
snipped from:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6451390,full.story
MORE MOTIONS AT LINK!!
Mamabear1963
04-20-2010, 02:45 AM
If anyone is interested in getting a feel for Judge Perry in action, here is an old 5 min video of him in court....
http://www.wftv.com/video/17714433/index.html
So far, I am really liking his strong, authoritive attitude and can't wait to see the first time he faces Baez....
So it looks like this video is KC's indictment...not from anything the Judge said...but from the label...is that correct...really? It says "Grand Jury indicts Casey Anthony."
And I kept seeing Perry and Mason together to and thought wow...where will this take us.
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 02:59 AM
I'm really disappointed to see Judge Strickland go, but I can't wait for the new defense motions to be heard! I'm not sure if they have already been discussed here, and my apologies if they have. I didn't know where else to bring it up, but if you read the newest update from the Orlando Sentinel you will find them. I don't have a link to the actual motions, but here's a snippet and a link to the article...
"In other developments in the Anthony case Monday, defense attorneys filed several more motions.
In one of the motions, Anthony's defense team argues that Florida's capital sentencing procedure is unconstitutional. The defense argues because Florida's law is unconstitutional, "death is not a possible sentence."
Based on their argument, the defense claims the court must enter an order precluding imposition of the death penalty in the event Anthony is convicted."
snipped from:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-motion-20100419,0,6451390,full.story
MORE MOTIONS AT LINK!!
See that is the kind of absurd thing I hope this judge puts a stop to.As it stands the death penalty is legal in Florida a the criminal court system is not a place to fight those such things. If they feel the death penalty unconstitutional then they need to take it up with the appropriate courts. As for now though the prosecution has every right to seek the DP and they have chose to.
faefrost
04-20-2010, 03:09 AM
--repectfully snipped
....the visual of Andrea Lyons checking in to the local Motel 6 has me in hysterics! :floorlaugh:
Local? oh nonono budget doesn't allow for that. It's the dodgy one out by the airport. :angel:
Gypsy Road
04-20-2010, 03:10 AM
See that is the kind of absurd thing I hope this judge puts a stop to.As it stands the death penalty is legal in Florida a the criminal court system is not a place to fight those such things. If they feel the death penalty unconstitutional then they need to take it up with the appropriate courts. As for now though the prosecution has every right to seek the DP and they have chose to.
I'm sure all of the motions will be denied!
Here's another snippet from the same article...
"In a separate motion, Anthony's defense claimed the prosecution unjustly sought the death penalty partly because of sexism."
Would love for someone to start a thread regarding the new motions that were filed. I'd do it, but I don't know how!
faefrost
04-20-2010, 03:16 AM
I haven't seen this posted so forgive me if it's been: Since a new judge has been assigned, I think the defense may be able to use a peremptory challenge (challenge without cause) to get yet another judge assigned. May be different in Florida, but I don't think so.
I believe this JS was their peremptory challenge. Their challenge with the weight of truth. So no they don't get another. To challenge from here requires hard evidence of bias or inappropriate decisions,
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 03:27 AM
I'm sure all of the motions will be denied!
Here's another snippet from the same article...
"In a separate motion, Anthony's defense claimed the prosecution unjustly sought the death penalty partly because of sexism."
Would love for someone to start a thread regarding the new motions that were filed. I'd do it, but I don't know how!
I'll start one, but for future reference all you have to do if you want to start a thread is go to is go to the front of the forum and hit thread and you do it just like you would a post.
nanny2five
04-20-2010, 03:31 AM
I'm sure all of the motions will be denied!
Here's another snippet from the same article...
"In a separate motion, Anthony's defense claimed the prosecution unjustly sought the death penalty partly because of sexism."
Would love for someone to start a thread regarding the new motions that were filed. I'd do it, but I don't know how!
gypsy road, at the top of the main Caylee Anthony page, next to the page num. buttons, you will see a button that says "new thread" just click that and you will be on you way :)
Gypsy Road
04-20-2010, 03:37 AM
I'll start one, but for future reference all you have to do if you want to start a thread is go to is go to the front of the forum and hit thread and you do it just like you would a post.
Thank you butterfly1978. I wasn't sure if it was okay to start one because I didn't have a link yet to the actual motions filed with the court. I just have what I read on the Orlando Sentinal site I linked earlier.
faefrost
04-20-2010, 03:42 AM
Then WTH did Mason do this?!?!
I heard you opine that this is exactly who would take over the case (Judge Perry). Certainly Mason had an inkling, too. For the life of me, I do not understand this strategy. Wayyyyy too risky, imo.
I Think I almost se a path to why they would do this. It indicates a powerstruggle in the defensecamp.
1. Mason Cheney -who has a stated goal of bringing some order to it all.
2. Jose Baez - Complete drek as a lawyer, in deeply over his head. But has the defendents heart and mind. Lead council
And Lets not firget the ladies LKB and AL. Specialists at misdirection
The path goes something like this, CM comes on on his glory. He must adress several problems. Alot has been said both to the media, and more horribly to the court. Alot of really damaging things. SO CM's approach is simple.What they need to do is get that entirety of Baez led incompetant crap out of the courts memorie by trial.
1. The first step is to get teh judge to recuse himself. Complete BS or not, A new judge must be assigned
2. The defense is really gambling on this defense approach
3. Once the judge is changed, Baez must be gotten rid of.Let him be himself, just enough to get trounced by the new judge. And Baez gets bounced.
When all is said and done, CHeney M should be standing on the top of the heap, with no longer cocouncil Baez, A judge who has not been hearing 18 months of arguements from the defense, and hopefully a sane professional.
So in essense he almost engineered a completely clean slate without effective knowlege of the case or what has gone before. It affirms that he is in charge of the defense now, and it eliminates the errors made by those before him. It also eliminates the judge who would remember all of this stuff
The risk side of it, is they do not know exactly what they are going to get. But that can be buffered by the knowlege have had Baez tanking the case fr 18 months already.
The downside
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 03:43 AM
the new thread on the motions is up, but I couldn't find the actual motions and it is 3 am here.
chckmate22
04-20-2010, 03:56 AM
It is a sad day when your only defense strategy is to throw garbage against anyone and everyone until something sticks. I am sickened by this whole strategy. IMO the worst part of all of it is that the Honorable JS is the only one man enough to know when enough is enough and it is no longer viable for him to continue on in this circus. May there be justice in the end for the ONE AND ONLY TRUE VICTIM CAYLEE
butterfly1978
04-20-2010, 04:17 AM
there will be Justice Chck....
and I agree the defense does not have a defense so they are trying anything and everything they can to get this case dismissed or stall til no one cares any more, but ya know what we will never stop caring.
darnudes
04-20-2010, 04:38 AM
Song for Baez to Cheney. Fitting I think.
My Pal - God
You're my only friend, you don't even like me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-5wRviAG5w
2goldfish
04-20-2010, 06:56 AM
Excuse me as I am coming in late, but isn't Judge Perry black..and doesn't KC make derogatory statements (or am I confused) about black people in jail in her letters?
WFTV reports he's a no-nonsense judge. I appreciated JS for being fair and for being patient despite the buffoonary displayed by the defense team. The defense couldn't have asked for a better judge to work in their favor, IMO. Now they have gotten what they asked for but they may not like the outcome..and how silly would they make themselves look to even suggest that they get yet another judge..
maybe the defense was hoping for Perry because of KC's letters.
No matter what he does, they can appeal later on saying any decision Perry made was him punishing KC's racism.
Mamabear1963
04-20-2010, 07:09 AM
Seeing the video of Judge Perry in action, reading the article and the "2 rules", I think we are in for a treat and the defense maybe in for the ride of their lives. I don't know what their strategy is and I really don't want to get that far into their thinking to figure it out.
I have had my homeschool students watch some of the hearings, and I am looking forward to setting the time aside to watch the next motion hearing with them. I think it will be very educational.
Mamabear1963
04-20-2010, 07:25 AM
No, you'll have to watch video...label on link is related to top story on that news site...
Thank you, I did watch the video...but then saw the label at the top of the page. It was very middle of the night here...was up with children and had stopped by the computer on the way back to bed.
JLMcKenna83
04-20-2010, 07:27 AM
It's very sad that the only thing this bunch of half wit "lawyers" can do to try to get KC off is question one judges bias (when he has done nothing be be fair and un-biased) because he happened to check out the internet and local blog pages to see what the people in the area are saying to see if she can get a fair trial.
If they decide to question Judge Perry's rulings based on KC's racist remarks, it will be laughable. Judge Perry is a no-nonsense type of Judge. Frivolous and poorly worded motions will be a thing of the past with him.
KC's so called defense team has really bit themselves in the :behind: this time. They aren't going to get away with the antics that they did before.
5stars
04-20-2010, 08:12 AM
I can't get the song THE DEVIL WITH THE BLUE DRESS ON out of my head!
static
04-20-2010, 08:13 AM
Or maybe Casey convinced Mason that she prefers BOXERS over BRIEFS?!
Boxers vs. briefs...........race vs. race....
Neither is relevant in this case, nor worthy of discussion, imo
Casey is going to think that Mason is now godlike. In the little balloon over her head --"wow, this new attorney of mine got rid of the judge in one motion!"-
For purely selfish reasons, I do hope Perry allows cameras in court to watch the balloon deflate.
darnudes
04-20-2010, 08:22 AM
Song for Baez to Cheney. Fitting I think.
My Pal - God
You're my only friend, you don't even like me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-5wRviAG5w
try me...
Cat13067
04-20-2010, 08:29 AM
Judge Strickland has stepped down from the case, not what I would have preferred, but he acted in the best interests of Caylee.
One bright spot - KC is still in jail. If the defense elects to re file a lot of their motions that were denied, it may put the trial off even longer - but KC will still be in jail. If it takes 5 years to bring this case to trial - KC will still be in jail. Do I want to wait another 5 years to get justice for Caylee? NO, but I can wait because KC is still in jail!
I believe JB, and his crew are going through every motion that has been denied by JS based on their motion that JS was biased. Be prepared to re-visit every motion that was denied by JS. AL gets another shot to ask JP to remove the DP. I don't think I can take watching her again!!!
LambChop
04-20-2010, 08:39 AM
I believe JB, and his crew are going through every motion that has been denied by JS based on their motion that JS was biased. Be prepared to re-visit every motion that was denied by JS. AL gets another shot to ask JP to remove the DP. I don't think I can take watching her again!!!
Why would AL argue that? Isn't CM DP qualified? Why would the state pay to fly in Ms. Lyons when CM could do it? Would it be because AL originally wrote the motion? And would all these motions have to be rewritten or redated?
LambChop
04-20-2010, 08:47 AM
You're talking about THIS defense? *falls on the floor laughing*
My dear, you have NOTHING to worry about. They've already cut off EVERYTHING to spite only themselves. Believe me, this doesn't benefit them in ANY way.
Defense just finished their depos with the FBI experts and are requesting further information on the reports from SA's office so can we assume that they did not get the desired results from the depos. that they wanted. Is there some real damning evidence we just have not seen yet, i.e. bite marks on the duct tape?????
Why now did they decided to remove the judge unless there is something going on they may be trying to slip by everyone without much notice??? To take such a bold move there has to be something worst under the smokescreen. JMO
LaLaw2000
04-20-2010, 08:48 AM
I did not know about this until I got an email from a very dear friend. I simply could not believe it.
The problem here was not Judge Strickland; it was Baez and his circus-like antics. If Baez and Crew wanted to give me just one more reason to dislike them all, this was it in boxcar letters.
IMO, there will be justice for Caylee whether it is Judge Strickland or Judge Perry who metes it out. The defense does not have a winning hand here and they know it.
MOO
HRCODEPINK
04-20-2010, 10:08 AM
Judge S in an amazing man and I really appreciate how he respects the process......but I can't help feeling bad for Caylee.
redcar1
04-20-2010, 10:08 AM
This info makes me sad for Caylee. Judge Strickland has been through so much with this case from the get go! You know there's NO WAY this hasn't affected his life, as well. Only 'well-wishes' to Judge Strickland and his family
I can't help but question if this will initially hurt the case? Will the defense use this to their advantage to show that she won't be able to recieve a fair trial, with the new Judge being assigned to her case? I'm sure they will try ANYTHING.
Was anyone able to find out info regarding the new judge? I can only hope that he does not tolerate ANY of the defenses public antics that JB and his crew will be spewing.
What is the *new* date the trial is 'supposed' to begin? Will this new development push it back longer?
We must remember, through all of the drama this case generates, (and has already generated) JUSTICE for Caylee is the final destination!
RIP Caylee
LiveLaughLuv
04-20-2010, 10:18 AM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Judge Stepping Down
http://www.wftv.com/video/23200720/index.html
Judge Perry is known as "no nonsense," "demanding of professionalism," "demanding in competence," "no nonsense from litigants who appear before him" - "a judge's judge."
they will not gain any tactical advantage, we're not going to see a different outcome of this case because judge Perry has it and the defense will be held to a higher standard and Judge Perry will probably be a little less patient with ineptitude (LOL) than JS was.
Watch out Baez, no more incompetance from you or your team!
Ripley007
04-20-2010, 10:18 AM
I am going to hold strong to the belief that the B (ozo) defense team hasn't won a victory....instead, they've shot themselves in the foot. Judge Strickland was beyond fair and patient towards the defense. The chances that Judge Perry will be likewise are slim to none.
I would love to post on the Support Judge Strickland thread but I can't help but think "What Was He Thinking???" Talking to a blogger in his courtroom KNOWING the cameras were still rolling??? Really? Maybe not illegal but certainly not kosher! Dumb move Judge. And the LAST thing this case needs is MORE delays.........
The whole thing just gets weirder and weirder.....and once again shows that anything and everything the A's touch turns to S*** (the opposite of gold). jmho
Dear Prudence
04-20-2010, 10:23 AM
So it looks like this video is KC's indictment...not from anything the Judge said...but from the label...is that correct...really? It says "Grand Jury indicts Casey Anthony."
And I kept seeing Perry and Mason together to and thought wow...where will this take us.
Yes, that is video from the grand jury that indicted Casey on murder on Oct. 14, 2008. That is SA Lawson Lamar speaking. Casey is the named defendent who is not yet in custody he was talking about, so the indictment was sealed. As soon as she was arrested the indictment was unsealed and her charges were released to the public. Belvin Perry, Jr. is the judge who presided over the grand jury proceedings.
Here's the original article about the indictment that included the video clip: http://www.wftv.com/news/17705500/detail.html#
Mamabear1963
04-20-2010, 10:37 AM
Yes, that is video from the grand jury that indicted Casey on murder on Oct. 14, 2008. That is SA Lawson Lamar speaking. Casey is the named defendent who is not yet in custody he was talking about, so the indictment was sealed. As soon as she was arrested the indictment was unsealed and her charges were released to the public. Belvin Perry, Jr. is the judge who presided over the grand jury proceedings.
Here's the original article about the indictment that included the video clip: http://www.wftv.com/news/17705500/detail.html#
So I did read that right...wow...just wow...I don't believe in Karma..but...:croc:
Dear Prudence
04-20-2010, 10:44 AM
So I did read that right...wow...just wow...I don't believe in Karma..but...:croc:
Indeed. The irony is rich.
faefrost
04-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Defense just finished their depos with the FBI experts and are requesting further information on the reports from SA's office so can we assume that they did not get the desired results from the depos. that they wanted. Is there some real damning evidence we just have not seen yet, i.e. bite marks on the duct tape?????
Why now did they decided to remove the judge unless there is something going on they may be trying to slip by everyone without much notice??? To take such a bold move there has to be something worst under the smokescreen. JMO
I posted about this earlier (at like 3am when I could barely see or type so its probably more incomprehensible than normal). I don't think this is so much about the judge himself or even matters directly before the court.
I suspect that the motion to recuse is more and more a housecleaning move by CM as he takes full charge of the defense. It is essentially part of a coup in the defense team where JB is about to be shoved aside. I think RH is partially right, in that when JS did not bow down before CM's first court appearence, and obviously seemed to tag him as just another one of the clowns in the KC/JB circus, CM decided he had to go. CM wants a judge that has not been spending the past year + listening directly to JB's garbage. He wants a judge with high expectations of competance and procedural accuracy, because that is something he can provide. So no threat to him. What he doesn't want is one who has direct experience with and already established impressions of the defense up to this point.
So he wins. He has a clean slate with a new tough as nails judge. And Baez's bagage is pretty much swept away. As long as they keep JB more or less sidelined, and play very very conservative with the motions for a bit (yeah somebody will probably need to sit on AL), then they will be starting fresh with a whole new face before the court, a whole new respect for the court, and a much greater liklihood of getting the things they need to go their way.
Yes there are downsides. It's going to be tough for any of the defense team to accomplish anything in front of any judge in the circuit after this stunt. But what does he care? He's retiring. AL and LKB aren't Florida attorneys and will in all liklihood never face any of the circuit again, and Baez? I think in the best of all possible worlds for CM, JB loses his law license before this is all over and done. That gives CM a huge appealable issue as a backup plan.
LambChop
04-20-2010, 11:50 AM
So would you say that CM's game plan is to force the state into accepting a plea deal? JB has made a mess, CM has to clean it up and the state, to save money, needs to come up with some sort of "Let's make a deal"???
elementary
04-20-2010, 11:54 AM
I posted about this earlier (at like 3am when I could barely see or type so its probably more incomprehensible than normal). I don't think this is so much about the judge himself or even matters directly before the court.
I suspect that the motion to recuse is more and more a housecleaning move by CM as he takes full charge of the defense. It is essentially part of a coup in the defense team where JB is about to be shoved aside. I think RH is partially right, in that when JS did not bow down before CM's first court appearence, and obviously seemed to tag him as just another one of the clowns in the KC/JB circus, CM decided he had to go. CM wants a judge that has not been spending the past year + listening directly to JB's garbage. He wants a judge with high expectations of competance and procedural accuracy, because that is something he can provide. So no threat to him. What he doesn't want is one who has direct experience with and already established impressions of the defense up to this point.
So he wins. He has a clean slate with a new tough as nails judge. And Baez's bagage is pretty much swept away. As long as they keep JB more or less sidelined, and play very very conservative with the motions for a bit (yeah somebody will probably need to sit on AL), then they will be starting fresh with a whole new face before the court, a whole new respect for the court, and a much greater liklihood of getting the things they need to go their way.
Yes there are downsides. It's going to be tough for any of the defense team to accomplish anything in front of any judge in the circuit after this stunt. But what does he care? He's retiring. AL and LKB aren't Florida attorneys and will in all liklihood never face any of the circuit again, and Baez? I think in the best of all possible worlds for CM, JB loses his law license before this is all over and done. That gives CM a huge appealable issue as a backup plan.
I've also considered this, though not in such wonderful detail. Just his commentary on the "circus" before he became the obvious ringmaster is a case in point. There certainly was no thought for Baez's future in recusing JS. Well, yeah, I can't imagine anyone seriously thinks Baez has any future in law after this case.
If what you're thinking is true, then I wonder if Mason will not be doing his disrespectful, smarmy, good old boy act in front of Judge Perry.
LambChop
04-20-2010, 11:58 AM
I believe JS will be moving over to civil court as was originally in his plans before this trial. So unless JB has a civil case in court he will probably not be seeing JS, unless it's in the hallway of the courthouse, out to dinner, a local movie, etc.
SoCalSleuth
04-20-2010, 12:02 PM
I believe this JS was their peremptory challenge. Their challenge with the weight of truth. So no they don't get another. To challenge from here requires hard evidence of bias or inappropriate decisions,
It's actually just the opposite. This was their challenge for cause. Can't file a peremptory challenge (for no cause) after the judge has heard motions on their merits.
oceanblueeyes
04-20-2010, 12:04 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Judge Stepping Down
http://www.wftv.com/video/23200720/index.html
Judge Perry is known as "no nonsense," "demanding of professionalism," "demanding in competence," "no nonsense from litigants who appear before him" - "a judge's judge."
they will not gain any tactical advantage, we're not going to see a different outcome of this case because judge Perry has it and the defense will be held to a higher standard and Judge Perry will probably be a little less patient with ineptitude (LOL) than JS was.
Watch out Baez, no more incompetence from you or your team!
Yep reminds me of the old adage "be careful what you wish for"......
The defense team is going to regret this imo. They couldn't have had a more patient or fairer Judge than Judge Strickland imo.
imo
truckengirl
04-20-2010, 12:22 PM
My feelings on this whole situation is that JB and crew wanted to do something to get this case back in the spotlight because the Haleigh Cummings case had been the topic of the news this past week. Well JB be careful what you ask for because from what I hear this new Judge is way tougher than JS. Additionally, didnt we see that new discovery was released to the defense recently that we have not seen yet. If so I believe there was probably something in there that the defense wants the attention taken away from.
Omachka
04-20-2010, 12:29 PM
I don't think anyone, Mason and Hornsby included, had any "insider information" that Judge Perry was going to get his hands on this case.
From what I am understanding, once a judge recluses himself from a case, it automatically falls back into the hands of the Chief Justice for reassignment.
(Initially, the OS reported that Perry WAS going to reassign the case....they have now updated that statement and removed this portion)
In this case, I think it was a no-brainer that as soon as it passed to CJ Perry, he was going to take control of it personally, as opposed to reassigning it to a less experienced judge at this point.
I imagine Perry has done quite a bit of head slapping and grimacing over this case as the superior to Strickland.
Game on!
I agree with all you've said but would like to add a point. JBP has probably been the judge following this case the most closely in his capacity of Chief Judge. He probably felt it would take him much less time than any of the others to get up to speed thereby saving the taxpayers money. He is very conscientious about how money is spent in the courts. I had a feeling he would keep the case because of this.
Mandy113
04-20-2010, 12:56 PM
I don't think I'm going O/T here. I'm just in awe of that order (complete with footnotes) I just read.
Judge Stan, will you marry me ?
strawberry
04-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Not to open any wounds here (sorry Dick Tracy if you're lurking), but I heard something and checked it out and came across this link. The last part is why I'm posting this:
"Casey's defense attorney's public relations firm said Monday that "anything on the blogs we don't pay attention to," because they're unreliable."
It probably would backfire on the defense to bring up the bloggers, since many of them believe Casey Anthony murdered her daughter Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/17877073/detail.html
newsaddict
04-20-2010, 02:46 PM
IN Session now BC and M. Dave on!
jessicat
04-20-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm not sure if this has been said...just checking in today. I think he prob also recused himself to avoid the defense of having any reason to get another trial. I think this may come back to bite the defense in the butt. I think JS has been EXTREMELY fair. He is a class act. Yes JS the irony is indeed rich.
TotallyObsessed
04-20-2010, 02:48 PM
This is what happens when I go offline for 3 days and try to enjoy life??? Good grief! Well, hate to see JS go, but from what I have read on the other thread about the new judge, I say YIPEE YIAAY MFs. Can't possibly think why the defense would have wanted this move to go this way, but here we are. Buckle up.
TotallyObsessed
04-20-2010, 02:55 PM
HEY - maybe we can get JS to post here on WS. Let's ask RH to ask him!!!!!
strawberry
04-20-2010, 03:00 PM
IN Session now BC and M. Dave on!
Oh Goooooooooood Grieeeeeefffffff. I guess the "aggrandizing media hound" comment went over someone's head.
suzihawk
04-20-2010, 03:46 PM
Oh Goooooooooood Grieeeeeefffffff. I guess the "aggrandizing media hound" comment went over someone's head.
Thank you! That's exactly what I thought.
At the very first I felt a little bad for poor Dave. Then it became abundantly clear that he's quite enjoying his moment in the spotlight.
I've been lurking and reading the comments at his site (:rolleyes:) where he's been pouting and whining and deleting negative comments right and left - so much for fair and balanced, eh? Oh, and made some very derogatory comments aimed at women who dared call him out on his foolishness.
Then... all of a sudden, "TruTV in 5 minutes!" :woohoo: :dance:
GAH!!!
Wescott
04-20-2010, 04:52 PM
IN Session now BC and M. Dave on!
If you are watching could you give a little update please?
Thanks
RR0004
04-20-2010, 05:04 PM
JS filed another bar complaint? When what was it about? Was it about what was in Casey's letters about JB and passing contraband?
Only one that I know of...sorry it wasn't clear.
akashana
04-20-2010, 05:30 PM
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Dear Prudence
04-20-2010, 05:43 PM
Does anyone know if the defense has made a statement about Strickland stepping down and/or Perry taking on the case? I'm sure the media has been requesting a statement from them plus they have that lady from Lyon's legal clinic as a spokesperson, so I would think we would have heard something by now. Did I miss it?
sumbunny
04-20-2010, 05:48 PM
Whats rich, is that Baez refused to comment about Judge Perry presiding over casey's case. Is he actually going to STHU now? I'm sorry to see Judge Strickland go, but if it means Baez will now shut his pie hole...i'm happy!
Themis
04-20-2010, 06:08 PM
This result surprised me. I really didn't think Judge Strickland would grant that motion. However, I think the fact that he did reflects the use of some extreme caution with respect to this case. If Judge Strickland and/or the Judiciary did use extreme caution, then why? If I were to take a gamble, I would guess they think this case will end up with a conviction and there is a good chance at the death penalty -- therefore it was so very important to protect the record of the pre-trial and trial in this case from any potential appeal issues. Hummm. JMHO, of course.
ExpectingUnicorns
04-20-2010, 06:10 PM
There's not much I can say to add to this thread other than I join the majority in that I am disappointed and irked that another faultless party has been targeted and bears the effects of collateral damage in this debacle. Indeed, "the irony is rich" that the guilty party seems to continue to make innocent player appear as though they have conspired against her. Vortex of evil ~ that was the perfect description.
beach
04-20-2010, 06:13 PM
Whats rich, is that Baez refused to comment about Judge Perry presiding over casey's case. Is he actually going to STHU now? I'm sorry to see Judge Strickland go, but if it means Baez will now shut his pie hole...i'm happy!
BBM
One can hope, sumbunny. :)
I saw it more as a "WTH CAN I SAY in re. the scathing Order issued by JS yesterday OR the fact that we just got a less patient judge who 'suffers no fools'? So, I'll just say nothing. I can't spin that even if I took my foot out of my mouth."
nancy botwin
04-20-2010, 06:16 PM
This result surprised me. I really didn't think Judge Strickland would grant that motion. However, I think the fact that he did reflects the use of some extreme caution with respect to this case. If Judge Strickland and/or the Judiciary did use extreme caution, then why? If I were to take a gamble, I would guess they think this case will end up with a conviction and there is a good chance at the death penalty -- therefore it was so very important to protect the record of the pre-trial and trial in this case from any potential appeal issues. Hummm. JMHO, of course.
I agree! I predicted this outcome incorrectly too. Then I saw that RHornsby predicted Strickand would grant the motion, so I changed my mind. In the Verified Lawyer's Thread, I asked RH to explain which facts within the motion might have taken it over the edge etc., because I'm still a bit confused. I await his reply. :angel:
Ah well, hats off to AZLawyer for being right the whole time.
beach
04-20-2010, 06:16 PM
This result surprised me. I really didn't think Judge Strickland would grant that motion. However, I think the fact that he did reflects the use of some extreme caution with respect to this case. If Judge Strickland and/or the Judiciary did use extreme caution, then why? If I were to take a gamble, I would guess they think this case will end up with a conviction and there is a good chance at the death penalty -- therefore it was so very important to protect the record of the pre-trial and trial in this case from any potential appeal issues. Hummm. JMHO, of course.
Themis, I don't know if you got a chance to review the FL Rule that Strickland was bound by.....but THAT was the clincher. It is so bad that the FL JEAC has set it for review sometime next month, I believe.
If you haven't read it, let me know and I will dig around and find it. That rule was mind-boggling and I will never understand how it existed in the first place.
strawberry
04-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Does anyone know if the defense has made a statement about Strickland stepping down and/or Perry taking on the case? I'm sure the media has been requesting a statement from them plus they have that lady from Lyon's legal clinic as a spokesperson, so I would think we would have heard something by now. Did I miss it?
There's a media link up page, WESH, says Jose Baez wouldn't comment on Perry taking over.
miss plum
04-20-2010, 06:36 PM
Maybe it is slowly dawning on him that he is in a different story from the one he thought he was.
logicalgirl
04-20-2010, 07:16 PM
I agree! I predicted this outcome incorrectly too. Then I saw that RHornsby predicted Strickand would grant the motion, so I changed my mind. In the Verified Lawyer's Thread, I asked RH to explain which facts within the motion might have taken it over the edge etc., because I'm still a bit confused. I await his reply. :angel:
Ah well, hats off to AZLawyer for being right the whole time.
I agreed with you Nancy and didn't realize all it took was for the motion to be legally sound, not necessarily truthful, but sound.
So I guess it was enough that he spoke to Marinating Dave and called him. Content was neither here no there. There must be no HINT of impropriety. Or so "those" lawyers out there say.
ZsaZsa
04-20-2010, 07:36 PM
Themis, I don't know if you got a chance to review the FL Rule that Strickland was bound by.....but THAT was the clincher. It is so bad that the FL JEAC has set it for review sometime next month, I believe.
If you haven't read it, let me know and I will dig around and find it. That rule was mind-boggling and I will never understand how it exisisted in the first place.
This was the perfect example of the law being an ass.
Even mass murderers get to defend themselves against false accusations.
Patriciao
04-20-2010, 07:55 PM
I have a positive feeling about this step-down. Judge S had an amiable, jovial feel in his court room which I did not agree with. I hope Judge Perry is super STRICT! I hope he is a fair, no joking, just the facts maam kind of judge!
ZsaZsa
04-20-2010, 07:59 PM
Not sure if it's OK to provide a link to Marinade Dave's site so I will wait, but tonight's message that starts 'Dear Muffin, you stupid twit' is hilarious,worth a read... He is mad as hell. It ends- 'Write back, I gave Pimpdaddy my business card"
:innocent:
Omachka
04-20-2010, 08:07 PM
There's a media link up page, WESH, says Jose Baez wouldn't comment on Perry taking over.
Yay! He's speechless at last!!! :woohoo:
strawberry
04-20-2010, 08:15 PM
Not sure if it's OK to provide a link to Marinade Dave's site so I will wait, but tonight's message that starts 'Dear Muffin, you stupid twit' is hilarious,worth a read... He is mad as hell. It ends- 'Write back, I gave Pimpdaddy my business card"
:innocent:
Considering he never allowed name calling (himself excluded of course), for example the name Bozo was off limits, it is pretty amazing. Pimpdaddy will do.
Whats rich, is that Baez refused to comment about Judge Perry presiding over casey's case. Is he actually going to STHU now? I'm sorry to see Judge Strickland go, but if it means Baez will now shut his pie hole...i'm happy!
Well we can only hope.
But really what could JB say after JS issued that order??? JS really put JB and company in their place and assured that there was nothing JB could say after the order was issued. He was pinned on all sides. JS took all the air out of his balloon if planned to grandstand and say see I won, poor us, we're so hated and put upon. That and I'm sure AL threatened him within an inch of his life to STHU. Judge P will not deal with his crap.
Horace Finklestein
04-20-2010, 08:24 PM
This was the perfect example of the law being an ass.
Even mass murderers get to defend themselves against false accusations.
Not to mention the fact that Baez gets to stay on his perceived cash cow of a case after lying about the ABC deals and the shady, downright evil nature of their bargaining for blood money.
jon_burrows
04-20-2010, 08:41 PM
I have a positive feeling about this step-down. Judge S had an amiable, jovial feel in his court room which I did not agree with. I hope Judge Perry is super STRICT! I hope he is a fair, no joking, just the facts maam kind of judge!
I agree. I like JS and I think he is a fair and honest man but I got the feeling he was losing control of the court room. For example, letting Jose ramble on about nonsense playing up to the cameras and trying to taint the jury pool. I think it takes a certain type of judge to handle a case like this one. The defense attorneys will get away with as much BS as they can and unless they have a strict, no nonsense judge it will turn into a circus (actually, I think it already has). It benefits the defense if they can muddy the waters as much as possible in order to distract the jury from the facts. I hope the new judge is as tough as nails and lays the law down immediately on the defense's antics. From what I've read about Perry, he is Casey's worst nightmare!
"Chief Judge Perry is a proponent of the death penalty. There are at least three men on death row right now, all sentenced in Perry's courtroom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/042010new-anthony-judge-seen-as-no-nonsense-jurist
A quote from Perry:
..."you have not only forfeited your right to dwell among us as a free man, but under the laws of the state of Florida, you have forfeited your right to live at all."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/larry-neal
IMO
jon_burrows
04-20-2010, 09:02 PM
This may have been posted but a little background on Chief Judge Perry:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/chief_judge/
I noticed he went to Tuskegee University and majored in history. Looking back at the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and the way the Tuskegee airmen were treated, I don't think Casey's racist remarks in her letters will go over well with him.
IMO
legalmania
04-20-2010, 09:51 PM
Judge Strickland you are one classy guy, I think you knew this was going to turn into an uncontrollable media circus, you probably thought about some of your fellow judges that went through high profile cases such as Judge Ito and figured there was no need to put yourself or your family through this. You took the high road and I respect you for that. You handled yourself like the gentleman you are, you will be missed. We won't forget you. I know you did this because you are little Caylees Hero, and didn't want the case to focus on something else besides her. So this song is dedicated to you:
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Angel4u2Whisper2
04-20-2010, 10:05 PM
This may have been mentioned already, but there are so many posts and different threds regarding this. Um I been thinking (after the shock, saddness and other related emotions) this had to happen.
Let me say what I mean and why. So far IMO! Baez has messed up really badly (understatement I know) and Casey feels that the good judge likes her (recall her laughing during one of the hearings with the attorney when they talked about lotion in the court room and one time made mentioned in her jail house letters to her friend about the judge, something along the line I think the judge likes me >sidenote: I do not recall exact words nor did I look for a link honestly) My point is this it was out of control ( I know Im telling you all something you didnt know right now lol) the only way to save this trial now is to make it appear as a fresh start.
Look Casey got a fair trial, a judge that didn't see Baez screw up ect and the potentially legally flawed motions are reseen and redenied. (Projection warning) See it was all fair even when Beaz wasnt messing it all up!
she is still found.. lets guess ahead..ummm guilty!
ZsaZsa
04-20-2010, 10:13 PM
There's a media link up page, WESH, says Jose Baez wouldn't comment on Perry taking over.
I can't wait for the next court appearance when he has to face Kathi Belich ( unless he can sneak away of course) she will nail him.
beach
04-20-2010, 10:36 PM
I agree. I like JS and I think he is a fair and honest man but I got the feeling he was losing control of the court room. For example, letting Jose ramble on about nonsense playing up to the cameras and trying to taint the jury pool. I think it takes a certain type of judge to handle a case like this one. The defense attorneys will get away with as much BS as they can and unless they have a strict, no nonsense judge it will turn into a circus (actually, I think it already has). It benefits the defense if they can muddy the waters as much as possible in order to distract the jury from the facts. I hope the new judge is as tough as nails and lays the law down immediately on the defense's antics. From what I've read about Perry, he is Casey's worst nightmare!
"Chief Judge Perry is a proponent of the death penalty. There are at least three men on death row right now, all sentenced in Perry's courtroom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/042010new-anthony-judge-seen-as-no-nonsense-jurist
A quote from Perry:
..."you have not only forfeited your right to dwell among us as a free man, but under the laws of the state of Florida, you have forfeited your right to live at all."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/larry-neal
IMO
Great post!
It is going to be interesting to watch how he reacts to (and rules upon) Andrea Lyon's arguments.
gamom
04-20-2010, 10:52 PM
This may have been posted but a little background on Chief Judge Perry:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/chief_judge/
I noticed he went to Tuskegee University and majored in history. Looking back at the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and the way the Tuskegee airmen were treated, I don't think Casey's racist remarks in her letters will go over well with him.
IMO
As an African American, I really feel that her letter comments will have little effect on how the judge treats her. From what I have read about him, it sounds like he is a strict but fair judge. I for one want KC to get a fair trial so that WHEN she is convicted, it is for good. Caylee deserves that much.
Mumsy
04-20-2010, 11:07 PM
I can almost picture KC and crew dancing in circles with glee over their supposed "WIN".
Rubbing her hands all the while.
As someone said "BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR! YOU MAY GET IT!"
It is good to know that Judge Perry is a proponent of the death penalty! :)
TotallyObsessed
04-21-2010, 10:18 AM
truckengirl - yes I saw it yesterday. My opinion on this whole mess is that if people stuck to their basic morals and values, instead of trying to grab a piece of the limelight, no matter how skewed that light might be, a whole lot of this mess associated with this case would not have happened. I mean, come on MD, just what did you think when the defense PI was pumping you for information? Anybody with half a brain would not have fallen for that crap. I mean just look at all of the whackos that have come out of the woodwork on this one, from River Cruze to Joy Wray......it is truly mind boggling to me.
AND...while I love, love, love JS....I work for a judge who's standard line to all media and press is "no comment". She will not talk about any ongoing case in front of her, except of course to us here in chambers. Her motto is "if it might look suspicious in the press, or to anyone outside, it shouldn't be happening."
Bobbisangel
04-21-2010, 11:25 PM
You know, I really felt like I was punched in the gut when I read this news. I hate to say this (please forgive me for sounding so immature) but I'm getting to the point where I completely view JB and his minions as enemies and not just lawyers doing their job. I know that's not rational but right now I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment and am very, very angry. They just filed another 4 motions and I'm sure the list will go on and on. These days, I have to remind myself more and more that this is about a sweet two-year-old and not an attorney with an over-inflated ego. Okay, I'm pouring myself a glass of wine, now.
The only saving grace was JS's order. It was scathingly brilliant! However, don't be surprised if JB & Co. go on national television to attack JS for the way he wrote the order.
I think the old man is behind this whole thing and I also think that the "tight boots" remark was aimed at him. Maybe filing this motion is his idea of the "fun" he says this case will be.
All of the attorneys that I have heard speak about the new judge say he is strict and won't put up with any nonsense. I hope he cuts Baez off at the knees right off of the bat and I hope the defense live to regret what they have done.
logicalgirl
04-22-2010, 01:29 AM
I think the old man is behind this whole thing and I also think that the "tight boots" remark was aimed at him. Maybe filing this motion is his idea of the "fun" he says this case will be.
All of the attorneys that I have heard speak about the new judge say he is strict and won't put up with any nonsense. I hope he cuts Baez off at the knees right off of the bat and I hope the defense live to regret what they have done.
Can you imagine a courtroom with Judge Perry if C. Mason starts out the next hearing the way he did with Strickland? I suspect Perry won't bother raising his eyebrows and answering the way JS did - I think CM will get "the look" and a stern request to "Move On".
nancy botwin
04-22-2010, 02:55 AM
An interesting piece which demonstrates how differently judges handle motions to recuse. The article highlights Judge Stan Strickland's recent decision and compares it to Ohio Judge Shirley Strickland Saffold's repeated refusal to recuse herself from Anthony Sowell's case.
Strickland Saffold is alleged to have posted over 80 anonymous online comments, some of which discussed Sowell's case and disparaged Sowell's defense attorney. The comments were traced back to Judge Strickland Saffold's AOL account and some were posted from the courthouse. Strickland Sowell has dismissed (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/anthony_sowells_lawyers_ask_oh.html) all three of the defense motions asking her to recuse herself.
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-anonymous-is-not-so-anonymous.html
songline
04-22-2010, 09:34 AM
Just a feeling Judge stickland was sick and tired of the Anthony circus and found a way out.
WHO wants to swim with those paray's????? they are so full of Chit, and anger I guess he had enough, and I don't blame him.
ohiogirl
04-22-2010, 09:42 AM
An interesting piece which demonstrates how differently judges handle motions to recuse. The article highlights Judge Stan Strickland's recent decision and compares it to Ohio Judge Shirley Strickland Saffold's repeated refusal to recuse herself from Anthony Sowell's case.
Strickland Saffold is alleged to have posted over 80 anonymous online comments, some of which discussed Sowell's case and disparaged Sowell's defense attorney. The comments were traced back to Judge Strickland Saffold's AOL account and some were posted from the courthouse. Strickland Sowell has dismissed (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/anthony_sowells_lawyers_ask_oh.html) all three of the defense motions asking her to recuse herself.
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-anonymous-is-not-so-anonymous.html
I am not understanding Judge Saffold's insistence on staying. Why would she want this guy to have any chance when the appeals start flying? If she wrote the emails, step down. If her daughter wrote the emails, still step down. Get over yourself Judge.
RR0004
04-24-2010, 02:56 AM
I agree. I like JS and I think he is a fair and honest man but I got the feeling he was losing control of the court room. For example, letting Jose ramble on about nonsense playing up to the cameras and trying to taint the jury pool. I think it takes a certain type of judge to handle a case like this one. The defense attorneys will get away with as much BS as they can and unless they have a strict, no nonsense judge it will turn into a circus (actually, I think it already has). It benefits the defense if they can muddy the waters as much as possible in order to distract the jury from the facts. I hope the new judge is as tough as nails and lays the law down immediately on the defense's antics. From what I've read about Perry, he is Casey's worst nightmare!
"Chief Judge Perry is a proponent of the death penalty. There are at least three men on death row right now, all sentenced in Perry's courtroom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/042010new-anthony-judge-seen-as-no-nonsense-jurist
A quote from Perry:
..."you have not only forfeited your right to dwell among us as a free man, but under the laws of the state of Florida, you have forfeited your right to live at all."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/larry-neal
IMO
I think I know now why the defense might actually have wanted this judge. This is a perfect set-up for AL and her platform. I'm wondering if the trial will be less about Casey Anthony and more about the legality/morality of Florida's death penalty. Just a thought...maybe "agenda" trumps Casey.
sleutherontheside
05-02-2010, 05:56 PM
IMO.....Interesting comment by MD....
Thank you, Mary Jo. I think Baez heard me, too. No one asked to interview me after the defense left, but I was approached after the hearing by the Today Show producer. He told me I would be on the Today Show, which aired this morning. I was, so I can’t complain. I told him that old adage, that yesterday’s news is the bottom of today’s birdcage. Hey, I was on TRU. Twice!
I really do try to pick the right music.
Really puts things into perspective heh???
http://http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/
logicalgirl
05-02-2010, 06:32 PM
IMO.....Interesting comment by MD....
Thank you, Mary Jo. I think Baez heard me, too. No one asked to interview me after the defense left, but I was approached after the hearing by the Today Show producer. He told me I would be on the Today Show, which aired this morning. I was, so I can’t complain. I told him that old adage, that yesterday’s news is the bottom of today’s birdcage. Hey, I was on TRU. Twice!
I really do try to pick the right music.
Really puts things into perspective heh???
OMG!:boohoo::eek:
LambChop
05-02-2010, 06:34 PM
IMO.....Interesting comment by MD....
Thank you, Mary Jo. I think Baez heard me, too. No one asked to interview me after the defense left, but I was approached after the hearing by the Today Show producer. He told me I would be on the Today Show, which aired this morning. I was, so I can’t complain. I told him that old adage, that yesterday’s news is the bottom of today’s birdcage. Hey, I was on TRU. Twice!
I really do try to pick the right music.
Really puts things into perspective heh???
Is there anyone in Orlando who is normal?
logicalgirl
05-02-2010, 06:45 PM
Is there anyone in Orlando who is normal?
LambChop!
:gold_crown:
LambChop
05-02-2010, 06:55 PM
LambChop!
:gold_crown:
Oh, yeah...I forgot, Judge Strickland and Judge Perry, and SA seems pretty normal to me, too.
sleutherontheside
05-02-2010, 07:38 PM
The Today Show producer, Jim Lichtenstein, told me I would be on the show Saturday morning as we were leaving the courtroom Friday. It’s only a 2-minute segment and I’m mentioned briefly, but it’s something. Better than nothing. The only thing I take issue with – and that’s very mildly – is Kerry Sanders’ statement that I’m a pro-prosecution blogger. Everyone knows I’m an Anthony lover. Right?
and now this????????
shotgun09
05-02-2010, 08:32 PM
The Today Show producer, Jim Lichtenstein, told me I would be on the show Saturday morning as we were leaving the courtroom Friday. It’s only a 2-minute segment and I’m mentioned briefly, but it’s something. Better than nothing. The only thing I take issue with – and that’s very mildly – is Kerry Sanders’ statement that I’m a pro-prosecution blogger. Everyone knows I’m an Anthony lover. Right?
and now this????????
:banghead:
Somehow, the words "Make him stop" are in my head! :banghead::banghead:
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