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Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:17 AM
Noticed CM is there now, doctors appt must have went quickly.

KC is boohoo'ng big time again.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:17 AM
Friend: 'If anything happens to that baby, Casey, I'll die...just die.' Chokes on her sobs here.

KC: 'Oh well.'

It's my opinion that KC's tears today were real, but they were for herself.


KC chatting merrily now in the huddle. No tears.

Yes and where were the tears when the motion was denied? Shouldn't there have been a tear or two there? She was just stoic...no expression at all when the motion was denied.

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Is George there today? I just saw Cindy

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Did KC just say Hi and I love you to CA?

aprilshowers
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
I wonder what was said ... to make her cry in the huddle?

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
What is that screen on Jose's laptop? Facebook?

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Camera moves to CA, think she is crying too.

truckengirl
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Fake crying, tissue not even wet, no mascara on tissue. I dont know about you but when I TRULY cry I go through many tissues, they are wet and they have mascara all over them!

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
CA doesn't seem moved by KCs tears. Hmm. When my daughter cries I cry too.

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Ok, JP is getting cute again....

KC looks scared for the first time since this started. I think it is getting real to her.

Of course. AL probably told her,"don't worry honey, we'll get rid of that pesky 'ol death penalty".
I think as time goes on Casey will have to be helped just to sit up straight, she's scared sh@tless right now and this is just the tip of the trauma to come.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Amazing all KC seems to be concerned about is whether her mascara is running!

aprilshowers
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Did KC just say Hi and I love you to CA?

She smiled at someone ... and said something .. just didn't see who or what.

joypath
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Casey gets no wheels on her chair, I just noticed!


LOL Watch carefully, most courthouses have removed them from DEFENDANT's chairs to hinder "getaways"

PoppyH
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Plea time?

If they was smart they would, Casey has no defense whatsoever Nada, ziltch

LetJusticePrevail
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
CA's body language screams FRIGID to me.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:19 AM
I agree, crying looked real. Too bad she could not share real tears for Caylee. Instead her response to her friend crying about caylee was "Oh, well. Calling you all a huge waste"

I agree, I have posted here a lot regarding her complete "blank" regarding Caylee. I suspect trauma or mental or medical condition personally, or possibly more drug usage during late June early July than has been revealed. She was still very, very strange at the time of her arrest, totally vacant expression, only wanted to speak to Tony. It was totally weird.

More tears now, she and her mother had a longer face to face moment than they've had before in court, because of the way they are seated at the moment with Casey facing toward the back. Casey and her mother making eye contact and crying but making reassuring facial expressions toward each other. Casey back around at the defense table now. Wiping under her eyes and fighting back more tears. Another little sob. AL patting her on the back and trying to distract her, occupying her with conversation. Casey listening and nodding.

All rise.

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
If you don't want the death penalty, don't kill your baby.

We love you, Caylee.

:blowkiss:

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
I wish I knew how to lip read

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
In the huddle, ICA starts with the poor me again. The way ICA cries is just plain weird! Poke, poke, wiping inside of eyelid. Huh?

By the way, feminists across the land are PO'd at Lyon(s) comments, and what she implies are feminist viewpoints.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
the tears are real this time, you can see that her nose is red

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
Her attorneys SHOULD have told her any motion to get rid of DP would be denied. I think they did, as someone pointed out she did not cry then.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
Tears on again when deputy steps over.

wow, she's all over the place this morning isn't she, crying, stoic, happily chatting away with attorneys after the motion was denied and now sobbing...yeah, she's swinging like a pendulum.

zoey
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
okay--is it me or do others wipe there fingers after they get those tears?????:waitasec:

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:20 AM
CA's body language screams FRIGID to me.

That's what I thought!

beach
05-11-2010, 10:21 AM
I wonder what was said ... to make her cry in the huddle?

Maybe they told her the truth -

that all these motions are nothing more than Hail Mary long passes and not to expect ANY OF THEM to be granted. They are arguing them to preserve the record in re. appellate issues.

aprilshowers
05-11-2010, 10:21 AM
I don't get it .. why make her laugh? Why cheer her up? I'd think that would make things worse .. let her show emotion.

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:21 AM
Can see KC tissue now, she definitely had mascara on...trying to look good for the camera. Note to self: buy waterproof from the commissary next time.

JP is back

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:21 AM
I wish I knew how to lip read

Me too. I hope someone does. (That is why CM was holding the binder up to his face when they were in the huddle. He knows someone can lip read out there.)

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 10:22 AM
For what it's worth, I am against the death penalty. That said, a parent who tapes their baby's face, then tosses her out like trash, doesn't deserve to breathe air - be it free or prison. I remember JA's compelling argument as to why this was a death penalty case when he described how Caylee's killer may have stared into her eyes while the three pieces of duct tape was applied.

I know my position is an argument from emotions, and I'm at peace with that.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:22 AM
I saw KC crying and smiling at the same time............

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:22 AM
Back from recess....KC working up good tears

JB looks on in approval at her performance

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:22 AM
I agree, I have posted here a lot regarding her complete "blank" regarding Caylee. I suspect trauma or mental or medical condition personally, or possibly more drug usage during late June early July than has been revealed. She was still very, very strange at the time of her arrest, totally vacant expression, only wanted to speak to Tony. It was totally weird.

Respectfullyl snipped. She's STILL weird! She doesn't react AT ALL when they are discussing Caylee's remains, skeleton, murder. Nothing zippo zilch nada.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:22 AM
I wish I knew how to lip read

Right after JP denied the motion, it looked to me like Al said to KC "I'm sorry" and KC nodded and said "That's okay" then she was just chatting away with her attorneys like they were discussing last weeks news...and now the water works...:waitasec:

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:23 AM
Which motion is this?

beach
05-11-2010, 10:23 AM
HHJP is not going to humor Ms. Lyon's long-winded hullabaloo too much longer, I don't care how much she kisses his behind.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:23 AM
What is that screen on Jose's laptop? Facebook?

Webslueths?

trigger
05-11-2010, 10:23 AM
CA's body language screams FRIGID to me.

Yup...Ice cold

aprilshowers
05-11-2010, 10:23 AM
okay--is it me or do others wipe there fingers after they get those tears?????:waitasec:


I TRULY think she's very concerned about if her mascara is running ... when she cries.

Horace Finklestein
05-11-2010, 10:24 AM
Casey has gone from 'tears' to laughing about 4 times in 5 minutes

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:24 AM
Is GA there, I have not seen him.......

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
Oh please - bring camera forward, just the head shot of Ms. Lyon(s) - and a word Andrea - when you are a big girl, no clingy knits.

How can I listen to you when you have created such a physical barrier for me?

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
JP...says "I know, I did it" LOL

darnudes
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
HHJP is not going to humor Ms. Lyon's long-winded hullabaloo too much longer, I don't care how much she kisses his behind.

Judge Perry has her measure all right.

beach
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
OMG! I don't think I could love HHJP any more!

He is irked by AL's patronizing tone.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:25 AM
JA is going to wipe the floor with this arguement...

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
JP...says "I know, I did it" LOL

Loved it! :dance:

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
LOL, JP Says "The statue says ONE"...AL stumbles a little ...

yeknomaras
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Perry knows FL dp statutes like the back of his hand. I love that.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Interesting to watch with the sound down. Looks like she's yelling at JP, and JP looks bored out of his gourd.

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Lyons doesn't think the State can meet the burden of proof. OMG She is delusional

pamandabear
05-11-2010, 10:27 AM
I TRULY think she's very concerned about if her mascara is running ... when she cries.

That is what I was thinking too..

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:27 AM
Why won't AL stay in front of the mic?

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:27 AM
Why did she move away from the podium and the mic?!

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:27 AM
What is count 2?

zoey
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
what was count 2?

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
HHJP...what happens if she is found guilty of count 2, Ms Lyons really stumbled on that one...

gelfie68
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
Anybody else going cross eyed over these statements?

Mamabear1963
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
Love HHJP!! Love his What are you talking about look...it is pricesless

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
Does the judge get to overrule the jury in FL on DP?

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:28 AM
Lyons: blah blah blah ex post facto blah blah blah

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
What is count 2?

Aggravated Manslaughter?

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
Why is AL arguing the DP??
I thought that was the motion JP denied right before the break.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
I think it was aggravated child abuse...

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
Going out on a limb here...just by the look of JP....DENIED. :)

LetJusticePrevail
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
JP will have the ultimate ruling so yes, he can overrule and sentence to LWOP or death.


Does the judge get to overrule the jury in FL on DP?

Moe
05-11-2010, 10:30 AM
I'm not impressed with AL. She should be a politiican, she can spin with the best of them.

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:30 AM
JP will have the ultimate ruling so yes, he can overrule and sentence to LWOP or death.

Then he is thinking he will make that determination after he hears ALL of the evidence. DENIED!

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Did you see Lyon(s) scrambling when HHJP said what if she is found guilty of count two?

I saw her thinking....Ack, count 2, count2, what the heck is count 2....LOL
Mumble. mumble oh yeah, I remember now, continue....

nachomama
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Uh Huh, and a MUCH longer jacket......

Maybe we should nominate her for the WHAT NOT TO WEAR show..

pamandabear
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
That was a whole lot of rambling from AL...sheesh...

doogiesgirl
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
AL: hearsay and prejudice in this case have overridden the fact that every witness in this case said Casey Anthony was a good mother

It's been a long time since I've gone over the initial testimony of her closest associates, but I can tell you AH had some reservations about her decisions about bringing Caylee to "poker and drinking parties". Her mother is known, by KC's own words to her friends/brother, to think she was NOT a good mother. And AL & his roommate often asked her why she was not with her daughter. And these are the ones I can think of just off the top of my head, from a year and a half ago..... So.....I don't think we can make thiis "sweeping" remark about KC being a good mother at this time by every witness in this case. JMHO.

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Is she arguing the DP still?
Is she arguing to change the Florida Constitution....?

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Count Two is aggravated child abuse.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Loveeeeee JA!!

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Going out on a limb here...just by the look of JP....DENIED. :)

She wants the DP declared unconstitutional

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
JA, the motion should be denied...short and to the point...

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Wasn't this already ruled on?

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
For those of you that cannot see I wish you could. Judge P's face is quite amusing today. He has no choice but hear these Motions, and he will rule according to the law, but his face is quite amusing as he listens to AL ramble and try to argue, at times mis-argue, her point.

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
Smackdown #2 in 3... 2...

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
HHJP stating case law...here we go...

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
Good try for AL. JP is very experienced with the DP though so I can't see him changing anything.

beach
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
I am waiting on HHJP to burst out laughing before this whole day is over.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
Uh Huh, and a MUCH longer jacket......

Lrt's all put her name into a show for a total make over, she really needs one.

LetJusticePrevail
05-11-2010, 10:32 AM
I agree with the scrumptious doll descriptor of JA but I'd like to just go with S squared (scrumptious specimen) to shorten things up :crazy:

Macushla
05-11-2010, 10:33 AM
Oh JP is just wonderful. He has ALL his reasons for denying right there in front of him. I don't think this is going to be a good day for the defense!

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:34 AM
Looks like Cindy is praying.........

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:34 AM
what mean comments about AL's appearance, apparently her figure from behind doesn't meet some people's requirements? Whatever. Heaven forbid anyone should make the sort of commentary about the prosecutors as goes on about the defense attorneys.
Making fun of stuttering, their figure, mispronunciations, etc. Oh well.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:34 AM
Showed CA briefly...bowed head and not looking up at all...

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 10:34 AM
CA looks like she's praying, has a lot of bling on

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:34 AM
Motion denied
Death penalty still constitutional! Yea!

Dr.Fessel
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Denied!!!!!!!!!!!

gelfie68
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Showed CA briefly...bowed head and not looking up at all...

I think she is trying to convince us she is praying.

Sprout
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Motion DENIED

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Motion denied

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Denied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Judge heard you Caylee!!!!

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Motions Denied

QueenD
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
denied yippie

yeknomaras
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
deeeeeeeeeeeeenied

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Motion Denied based on prior Florida Supreme court decisions...

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Denied based upon former FL supreme court cases!

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Montion Denied!

Gnatcatcher
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
Denied

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
D - nied

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:35 AM
KC jaw is tightening up........anyone see that close up???

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
Judge says AL has a point in her motions but denies both motions, Judge says it may be an interesting appellate issue if we get to that stage.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
HHJP denied 2 motions at once go HHJP :woohoo:

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
KC jaw is tightening up........anyone see that close up???

Yep. Time for tears again? ;)

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
HHJP - Yes, Both of those are denied!
:croc:

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
Anybody catch CA praying with her head down while JP was handing down denial

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:37 AM
CA looks like she's praying, has a lot of bling on

yep, but alittle to late!

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:37 AM
How many more motions to go?

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:38 AM
Anybody catch CA praying with her head down while JP was handing down denial

Yep. I would be praying if it was my daughter. Why no prayers for Caylee?

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:38 AM
"The only motion that the state responded to"....boo-hoo...the state didn't think your other motions were response worthy!

Cher352
05-11-2010, 10:38 AM
What did AL say this was for, couldn't hear.

AL cutting barb at State "this is the only one the state bother to reply to after our request to them to do so" (paraphrased)

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:38 AM
Judge P really looks like he is having fun today. I think he likes the fact that AL can argue clearly no ums and quote case law...

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:38 AM
Lyon is so condescending when she tells JP he has given a very good summary...aaaagh

beach
05-11-2010, 10:39 AM
How many more motions to go?



I think there were 5 total. So, AL is arguing her 3rd motion now.

I *think*.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:39 AM
AL suppose to be the best on DP????
Sorry I don't see it in this case ..............

yeknomaras
05-11-2010, 10:40 AM
btw how was the lady from New Mexico? I missed her testimony.... she teaches at my University. :)

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:40 AM
Wow
The state says they can READ
and they should be smart enough to figure it out with the mountain of discovery they have given the defense and the Defenses (sp) experience.

Too Funny

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:40 AM
Do they have to give up what she's asking for?

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:40 AM
Didn't JP already hear and deny the indictment motion?

iluvmua
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
*does happy dance :bananapartyhat:

for Casey: :boohoo:

Sparky
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
Caylee 3 Inmate Anthony 0

Next

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
Right online for everyone to read...start reading AL

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
btw how was the lady from New Mexico? I missed her testimony.... she teaches at my University. :)

Pointless IMO.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
AL complaining about the police reports being online...Welcome to the Sunshine state :D

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:41 AM
God, she is soooo annoying!! The statute says ONE mitigating factor!! The judge already explained that to her!!!

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
COME talk to websleuths Ms Lyon. We've done all the research. lol!

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
btw how was the lady from New Mexico? I missed her testimony.... she teaches at my University. :)


Well, she stated she writes her articles based on what she reads in newspapers/media and that she wasn't familiar with this case.

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Now arguing that the charges are not clear ???
And that the aggravating factors are not clear.

And they can't get through the 14,000 pages the State has given them.

Complaining its too much work pretty much.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Something to the affect of....If a verdict comes as to not guilty on count 2 there may be some problems, there may not be problems according to JP. If they get to that stage and there is a problem he says it will create an interesting appellate issue.

beach
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
...."14,000 pgs of police reports all which are online for everyone to read"

And her point is......?


Is she now challenging the Sunshine laws? What is her point?

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
THe new circumstances are the fact that a body was found with tape over her mouth.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
How bought the new circumstances being the baby being found OMG...I'm not a lawyer and I can see that...

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
AL: "how on earth are we supposed to as a matter of due process, do this? ... indictment doesn't indicate what aggravating factors are... they have to prove agg factor/s if they can... how are we supposed to meet 14,000 pages of police reports and mountains of physical evidence some of which i will charitably call new science... how asre we to dtermine where in that we are to spend our limited resources and time? we don't have the fbi and the police running around doing things for us..."

I term this the Motion to Dismiss Based on WHHHHHHAAAAAAA!

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
btw how was the lady from New Mexico? I missed her testimony.... she teaches at my University. :)

A mess - try to watch it if you can. Was not at all prepared for cross.

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
ALyon has no idea about Florida laws and seems to me she is trying to get it rewritten for Inmate Anthony...

I think the indictment is self explanatory...I think ALyon needs to go back to her state and be the Angel of Death there where it might fly...not in Florida..

they reversed course due to the way Caylee' remains were found with duct tape on her face...is this woman dense...I think she may get fired! :woohoo:

JA is a great prosecutor..he will eat AL up....as he has..JMHO

Love it, ignorance is a great description....feign ignorance....Love Ashton...JMHO

Justice for Caylee will be done...

Justice for Caylee!

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
*knocks back a shot of...*

Mamabear1963
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
AL: whine, whine, whine....fuss, fuss

all lawyers working pro bono?????????????????

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
14,000 reports.........how can defense read all this????
Well IMO most WS have read half of them..........
AL it is called "homework"!!!

Funny how Cheney HAD to get his stiches out today..............huh???

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Can we please curtail the negative comments about Ms. Lyon's looks and manner of dress. They're offensive.

Thanks!
BeanE

darnudes
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
I can't wait for JAshton response!!!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
AL might as well be saying "How are we supposed to get our guilty client off judge?" "Tell us how on earth we are supposed to get our client off!"

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
AL = :boohoo:

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Come on JA...wipe the floor with her!

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Which is it? First not enough and you are missing documents, now its too much???

Just Jayla
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
I'm no attorney, but I sure can figure out at least 5 of the aggravating factors....AL is being a bit coy.

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Good grief, I can't believe this.
JA is right--it's a "pretense of ignorance"

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Since when does the Prosecution have to reveal thier theory to the defense?


Pretense of IGNORANCE per State lol

gibby207
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Getting old indeed!

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Here we go!

Cherry Baby
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
I guess duct tape around a skull just doesn't spell out death penalty to AL. What does she want?

suzihawk
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
JA... "This pretense of ingnorance is getting old." lolol

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Judge had not received state's response memorandum re: aggravation/next motion, reading over it quickly.

AL: (I'm paraphrasing, this is only a bit of what she's saying.)

Says state's memorandum contains almost no law, but says that the state "should not have to educate the defense", that the defense should "rely on their much touted experience", and that the defense should use the "mountain of discovery" they've received to find any mitigating factors.

AL says frankly that "mountain" is the problem. The indictment doesn't even tell what the state's theory is regarding the murder, there is no info regarding aggravating factors, the burden is on the state to prove aggravating factors. Out of 14,000 pages of police reports and mountains of other documents and "new science", how are we supposed to discern how to spend our time and limited resources....

the state made the statement in their indictment that new circumstances made them decide to pursue the death penalty. What circumstances? Based on what evidence? Given the vagueness of the charging document, we don't know what their theory is regarding aggravation. I take them at their word there was something specific that caused them to change their mind regarding the death penalty, I request that they tell us what it is and what their theory is.

JA saying that the defense stood before the court and said that she can't figure out what was different in those 14,000 pages of discovery. Even when the State said in court what the difference was, she still feigns ignorance.

Nana46
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
JA...............my hero.

beach
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Scoot over, BeanE. Scrumptious doll is my hero. :bateyes:

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
JA: "This pretense of ignorance is getting old!"

Calls defense out on not being able to figure out WHAT CHANGED after December 08 in this case. Snap!

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Go JA!

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Is she kidding- tell the defense why the death penalty was put on the table in April - what was different? The Defense can't figure it out?

Get up Ashton and wipe the floor with her!

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Ashton! I LOVE him! :dance:

Defense feigning ignorance is getting OLLLLDDD....my paraphrase

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
KC writing on her paper

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Did KC flinch or shed a tear when Caylee and duct tape were mentioned by AL? NOPE

babycat
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Doesn't matter to me what AL is wearing....we aren't all fashionistas! Some people just aren't very good at dressing themselves.

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
JA says "We come from a system, where BOTH sides do THEIR work"

LOL- The state is paying for it, so the defense needs to start working

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
KC writing notes to JB, JB reading them and nodding

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 10:46 AM
Every time AL gets up, I expect to hear the Chewbacca defense.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:46 AM
Scoot over, BeanE. Scrumptious doll is my hero. :bateyes:

Can I share that bench with ya'll? JA is so articulate!

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:46 AM
Six possible aggravating circumstances.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:47 AM
I love Ashton! This man is awesome!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:47 AM
14,000 reports.........how can defense read all this????
Well IMO most WS have read half of them..........
AL it is called "homework"!!!

Funny how Cheney HAD to get his stiches out today..............huh???

So true passionflower! His head may have exploded today had he been in attendance.....

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:47 AM
Every time AL gets up, I expect to hear the Chewbacca defense.

He,he! "or if the bra does not fit, you can't convict!"

Lanie
05-11-2010, 10:47 AM
LMAO at JA for his pointed remark about both sides doing their work. Great stuff.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:48 AM
I see another Denial coming up...JMO

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:48 AM
Casey is trying to kill Ashton with her glaring stare

coco puff
05-11-2010, 10:48 AM
MS Lyon said "how are we suppose to use our limited resources to defend KC unless LE tells us exactly what charges are and why did they change the DP charge in DEC"

DUH the defense has access to the only person still alive the knows EXACTLY what happend, the defense has access to the TRUTH!! ASK YOUR CLIENT.... no investigation nessessary..... unless of course.... you need an alternative ending.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:48 AM
You simply CANNOT make this stuff up hehe!

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
JA calling defense out on no reciprocal discovery. Go Team Caylee!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
Which is it? First not enough and you are missing documents, now its too much???

Good point! Maybe the info they claim they haven't rec'd is contained within the 14,000 pages they complain is online for the world to see.

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
I think Ashton just scares the h$ll out of KC!

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
JB even looks confused, like what he will do now?????

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
JB looks like he has no earthy idea what Ashton is saying.lol!

Nana46
05-11-2010, 10:49 AM
Defense looks lost and confused....dazed as it were.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:50 AM
Mount Everest of discovery!:D

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:50 AM
JA is better at this trial argument presentation than even AL. He is very clear, does not get lost, very emphatic, to the point. Concise. AL goes on too long and side winds, and lets not bring up JB. IMO.

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 10:50 AM
Go ashton!!!!!!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:50 AM
Awesome point! SA stating that they have a harder job trying to figure out what mitigating factors the defense will argue in penalty than the defense trying to figure out aggravating factors for DP

Dr.Fessel
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
That was creepy how KC kept staring at JB out of the corner of her eye.

yeknomaras
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
Pointless IMO.


Well, she stated she writes her articles based on what she reads in newspapers/media and that she wasn't familiar with this case.


A mess - try to watch it if you can. Was not at all prepared for cross.

thanks guys! I will have to watch for sure. I saw her first 5 mins and I thought to myself, why the hell did AL bother?

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
"If you do order this response it should be reciprocal."

:)

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
AL : "Please Mr Prosecutor give us a window to your mind, we need to know every bit of your strategy." haha

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
Ashton is the MAN!!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
I think Ashton just scares the h$ll out of KC!

He does look quite befuddled, doesn't he!

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:51 AM
What is a Spencer hearing?

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
wait is that Cheney in light jacket black pants behind JB???
Did he come in after recess???

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
JA saying if they say they can't figure out from this "Mount Everest of evidence as I call it" what the aggravating factors are, put yourself in our position, we have to figure out what mitigation they might possibly argue....... it should be reciprocal


AL saying she will attempt not to respond in kind regarding being experienced or diligent enough to discover what the aggravating factors are, it is the state's burden of proof to show what the aggravating factors are, AL doesn't think by asking the state to name the aggravating factors that the defense is invading the area of work product

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Due Process does not = the state doing your job for you Lyons!
JMO

21merc7
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
wait is that Cheney in light jacket black pants behind JB???
Did he come in after recess???

Yes, and he huddled.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Ha! Defense waived the notice before AL was on case! Duh, communicate and review the record AL!

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:52 AM
lol defense waived 45 day requirement that Lyons argued

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
JA brings a tear to my eye. The State is fighting so hard for Caylee.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
wait is that Cheney in light jacket black pants behind JB???
Did he come in after recess???

I was going to say I thought I saw him in the huddle.

babycat
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
lol did anyone else catch that sarcastic smile and nod that Ashton threw to AL?

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
CA looks like this is finally real to her too..

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
Smackdown #3 in 3... 2...

or not...

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:53 AM
oh no...don't like this

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 10:54 AM
I think Ashton just scares the h$ll out of KC!

ITA. A man she can't wrap around her little finger with her feminine wiles? A male she can't flirt her way around? Totally terrifying to a certain personality type.

MOO!

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:54 AM
I thought the aggravating factors were given

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Darn!!

RAELON
05-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Wow JP just ruled State has to give defense a list of mitigating factors in 10 days. No reciprocal from defense to state

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
HHJP, appears not to like the decision he has to make...

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
State has 10 days to file list of aggravating factors it intends to persue.

Re reciprocal: denied. :(

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
JUSTCE For CAYLEE!

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
Defense's Motion Granted
State has 10 to respond, (The Defense needs it SPELLED out Noooo problem)
Issue of Reciprocal Discovery...Deny States Request Without Prejudice. (even though the Defendant did enter into an agreement with the State in regards to Reciprocal Discovery)

eaglemom
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
defense gets list of aggravating factors - motion granted
state denied recipricating list - motion denied

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
Motion granted ugh.

gamom
05-11-2010, 10:55 AM
WIN for the defense.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Judge says he agrees with the defense that there is a good due process of law argument..... re aggravating factors

within 10 days of today's date, the state should list the aggravating factors it intends to prove. As to the issue of reciprocal discovery as mentioned in Steele, because we have the "catch all" unlimited list of nonstatutory mitigating factors, the court denies the request of the State of FL for a list, without prejudice.

Both sides, according to the law, are required to give a list of the witnesses, the motion will be granted and we will follow the dictates of Steele.

please excuse parts I missed, I am paraphrasing

darnudes
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
lol did anyone else catch that sarcastic smile and nod that Ashton threw to AL?

yep and loved it!!

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Next: Penalty phase discovery motion.

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Dang, at least we know he ruled the law!

strawberry
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Well that's no big deal. The aggravating factors are no brainers. The D team shouldn't even have to ask. DUH. If he has to throw them a bone at least it was that one.

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
This is not so bad. Anyone reading here for half a day could likely figure out the aggravating circs. Defense now disarmed from saying JP is biased against them and denied all their motions... also, tho I don't like the State having to do JB's homework for him at least we know it will get done now, and in a timely manner.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
WIN for the defense.

But WE ( Caylee supporters) got the bigger win!!

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
AL trying to flirt with judge.....giggle, giggle....

manatee
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
I thought those were given in a document last week! I'm a thinking of something else?

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
WIN for the defense.

ugh. smug smile from AL

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
State has 10 days to list the aggravating factors on why they are seeking the DP..JMHO


Justice for Caylee

momtective
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
WIN for the defense.

Not really...the SA knew this motion would be granted...they just made the defense work for it.:dance:

BeanE
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
Lyons is just doing her job, doing what she's supposed to do. She is a good attorney, IMO. If I were up for the DP, she'd be one of my top choices to defend me.

kitkatbahr
05-11-2010, 10:59 AM
JP probably figures this case will never end if someone doesn't give the defense a CLUE!! on how to proceed.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 10:59 AM
The STATE probably has the list right there today.
This motion is a little unimportant one IMO
What did denfense win...........nothing IMO
STATE is doing great, IMO

Amster
05-11-2010, 10:59 AM
What?? Blogs??

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 10:59 AM
This is not so bad. Anyone reading here for half a day could likely figure out the aggravating circs. Defense now disarmed from saying JP is biased against them and denied all their motions... also, tho I don't like the State having to do JB's homework for him at least we know it will get done now, and in a timely manner.
I know... I'm watching and I'm thinking... haven't we been over this before? Like... what is freaking wrong with the defense team? Can they not read or what? They have all of this discovery.. they know what the aggravating factors are... give me a break for god's sake. I'm so beyond "fruhstrated.. I can't even swallow right now"!!

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 11:00 AM
State has 10 days to list the aggravating factors on why they are seeking the DP..JMHO


Justice for Caylee

We know of 2 that will definitely be on the list
Victim was under the age of 12
Accused was victims parent

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:00 AM
3 motions in 2 hours

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Exactly!!! She's making the argument for TES!! hahahahaha

Tiki
05-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Didn't they talk about the 4 factors they would use plus 2 possible others recently?
or was it just talking heads on TV disscussing them?
I don't see this as anything but the SA has to write them down.
Am I confused?

Just Jayla
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
AL is worried about her safety, maybe that's why she elbowed KB.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Well that's no big deal. The aggravating factors are no brainers. The D team shouldn't even have to ask. DUH. If he has to throw them a bone at least it was that one.
I agree with this, and I half expected JP to rule in favour of the defense. And if I did, I'm sure Ashton did before the hearing even started, imo.

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
State has 10 days to file list of aggravating factors it intends to persue.

Re reciprocal: denied. :(

I've been expecting that despite Lyon(s) annoying presentation. HHJP is known for his lack of appeal cases after a verdict.

Giving the Defense every chance they need before ICA is found guilty and given the DP or LWOP.

zoey
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
what about the harrassment of SA witness????

manatee
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Didn't they talk about the 4 factors they would use plus 2 possible others recently?
or was it just talking heads on TV disscussing them?
I don't see this as anything but the SA has to write them down.
Am I confused?

No. I know we had a link to a document. Where is Muzicman?

Mamabear1963
05-11-2010, 11:01 AM
I am actually enjoying the legal chess game between JA, AL and HHJP.

chefmom
05-11-2010, 11:02 AM
Morning, Peeps! Do I hear AL revving the ole bus up this morning? Hope GA and LA have a good hidey hole to jump in!

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:02 AM
But WE ( Caylee supporters) got the bigger win!!

Yes we did:woohoo:

BeanE
05-11-2010, 11:03 AM
I would be very surprised if any of the defense witnesses, with the exception of the As, were to be harassed at trial time. Although I wouldn't be *surprised* if the As were harassed at trial time, I don't expect them to be, other than perhaps an occasional nasty comment as they walk by if they happen to lie or show cold-heartedness toward Caylee on the stand.

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:03 AM
JA " I am sure RK finds the irony quite rich"

LMAO

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:03 AM
Are they talking about the penalty phase??

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 11:04 AM
"I'm sure Roy Kronk finds the irony quite rich..." HAHAHAHA!