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beach
05-11-2010, 11:04 AM
"I'm sure that Roy Kronk finds the irony quite rich."

SLAM.DUNK!

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:04 AM
JA: on defense worrying about folks getting harrassed...

I'm sure Roy K finds the irony in that quite rich!

BAm.

pamandabear
05-11-2010, 11:04 AM
Does anyone else wonder why JA did not argue about the mitigating factors when he was speaking instead of having another hearing about it? Its been said by JA in a prior hearing with JS, maybe I am missing something.....:confused:

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
JA " I am sure RK finds the irony quite rich"

LMAO
I laughed so hard at that. Nice dig, JA!

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
AL citing suicide of two witnesses in this case??? Or is she citing another case?

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
"I'm sure that Roy Kronk finds the irony quite rich."

SLAM.DUNK!

Pinch poke ya owe me a coke :-)

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
LMAO at JA! Roy Kronk would find the irony rich regarding the defense's concern about witnesses.

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
What?? 2 attempted suicides?? George and his gf?

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
At first I thought the literary allusion to "The Stranger" was a bit much, but the more I think about it, the more I do see the connection.

suzihawk
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
suicide attempts by TWO witnesses?? who's the second one?

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
Judge Perry is very prepared and intelligent

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
Didn't they talk about the 4 factors they would use plus 2 possible others recently?
or was it just talking heads on TV disscussing them?
I don't see this as anything but the SA has to write them down.
Am I confused?

WESH printed the aggravating factors on May 7
here's the link:
http://www.wesh.com/news/23488034/detail.html

manatee
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
suicide attempts by TWO witnesses?? who's the second one?

where's lee?

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
Motion denied!

kitkatbahr
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
AL citing suicide of two witnesses in this case??? Or is she citing another case?

Not suicides, but ATTEMPTS at suicide. GA and RC

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
State is correct that court is bound by previous case law

Motion denied

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 11:06 AM
Protection order Denied....

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Motion for protective order with respect to the penalty phase denied

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
JA: on defense worrying about folks getting harrassed...

I'm sure Roy K finds the irony in that quite rich!

BAm.

Wait, did he say that or are we saying that? If he said that it's a double wammy cuz he's also referencing JSs slam about their media hounding.

BeanE
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
suicide attempts by TWO witnesses?? who's the second one?

George and his alleged mistress.

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Denied! & got that load of laundry hung up!

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Yes, win for CAYLEE

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Protective Order in Penalty Phase DENIED
The Court will consider a motion IF there is sufficient grounds to do that.

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
AL is arguing that the witnesses are being talked about on blogs...I think...

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Lordy...One more motion...

Patty G
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
River would be the second one attempting suicide.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Wait, did he say that or are we saying that? If he said that it's a double wammy cuz he's also referencing JSs slam about their media hounding.
He actually said that. It was gold.

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
AL citing suicide of two witnesses in this case??? Or is she citing another case?

It's 2 people involved in this case.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Judge Perry:

State is correct that the court is bound by 5th district court of appeals, motion for protective order with respect to penalty phase of discovery will be denied. If there is some particular witness that may be facing so-called public harrassment the court will consider a motion to limit exposure of that person's name/address

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Wait, did he say that or are we saying that? If he said that it's a double wammy cuz he's also referencing JSs slam about their media hounding.

My paraphrase but it was said :-)

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Another one? good grief...

ETA: This is about money...again :/

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Did KC shed a tear when GAs suicide attempt was mentioned? Nope.

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:09 AM
CAYLEE 2
Defense 1

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 11:09 AM
JP: No sidebar until you present the outline of your argument, thank you very much, come on down to the podium Ms. L...

(my paraphrase of course)

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Here we go... timing of the death penalty... sheesh

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Wait, did he say that or are we saying that? If he said that it's a double wammy cuz he's also referencing JSs slam about their media hounding.

JA said it. :woohoo:

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:09 AM
he does seem to be a very fair judge, good rapport with all parties, I like him very much

beach
05-11-2010, 11:10 AM
Wait, did he say that or are we saying that? If he said that it's a double wammy cuz he's also referencing JSs slam about their media hounding.

JA said it! That was my reason for the "SLAM.DUNK!" :D


Priceless.

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:10 AM
AL, Kids don't just die with their mouths taped. Sorry.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:10 AM
Miss Anthony's child was found..............hey AL, that child has a name!
CAYLEE, remember that Angel's name!!! Justice and prayers for CAYLEE!!!

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
It gets my dander up when the defense mentions the lack of physical evidence (because Caylee was allowed to rot)....

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
Uh-Uh...she's bringing up in camera hearings...doesn't that give it a chance to bring it up in open court...

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
What??? No evidence of trauma?? Duct tape over her little face IS trauma!!! And, her name is Caylee....not "the child"

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
Yes, homicide AL by "UNKNOWN MEANS" by the person who saw her last and NEVER reported her missing.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:11 AM
Will KC cry for Caylee when talking about finding her? Probably nope.

zoey
05-11-2010, 11:12 AM
how many people set aside money for possible future death penalty hearings...since when does SA have to figure out if they can afford it...she is indigent now so what is the deal....:banghead::banghead::sick:

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:12 AM
and-uh, and-uh, and-uh, and-uh...come on now...

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:12 AM
Suspicious timing..........about filing of NOtice of Intent to Seek DP........NO!! AL!! Suspicious timing is 31 days............

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
side bar, both sides at bench

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
What is going to accuse the state of that she doesn't want the public to hear?

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
JP looks annoyed. I don't think he likes when he rules on something and you keep bringing it up.

Gypsy Road
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Miss Anthony's child was found..............hey AL, that child has a name!
CAYLEE, remember that Angel's name!!! Justice and prayers for CAYLEE!!!

THANK YOU! UGH....It is soooooooooo annoying and disrespectful that the defense refuses to use Caylee's name!!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Will KC cry for Caylee when talking about finding her? Probably nope.
She NEVER cries for Caylee, not ONCE!

momtective
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
It gets my dander up when the defense mentions the lack of physical evidence (because Caylee was allowed to rot)....

Exactly...there wasn't much left of her sweet little body to examine! It was literally impossible to make a determination of COD!:banghead:

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
AL discussing the finding of "murder by undetermined means", no trauma was found to her body, no cause of death could be identified, etc.


AL talking about the state changing its course and saying they would seek the death penalty after all, says the rest should be discussed under seal, asks to approach for a sidebar, they are up at the bench now

BeanE
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Miss Anthony's child was found..............hey AL, that child has a name!
CAYLEE, remember that Angel's name!!! Justice and prayers for CAYLEE!!!

I hate it how the defense objectifies Caylee and denies her humanity by never saying her name.

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
What could she (AL) not be allowed to say in court?

Moe
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
Can't wait for JA's turn. Also, I wonder what they are talking about at sidebar.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
It has to do with $$$, the side bar, I mean. What else could it be? More money to the defense that has not been disclosed?

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
What did AL say exactly that led to the sidebar?

Tulessa
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
Statement of the day! Roy Kronc(k)? The irony is RICH!

Mamabear1963
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
Loved the look on HHJP face when he said both sides may approach the bench...then as he stands up he looks up and scratches his head...maybe just habit...but it looked cute...

sorry....sick in bed on vicodin...and small things are amusing me today

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:15 AM
Wonder what they are saying?

Maybe HHJP will rule that we get to hear it to?

BeanE
05-11-2010, 11:16 AM
Can't wait for JA's turn. Also, I wonder what they are talking about at sidebar.

where they're going for lunch

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm sure it's been mentioned many times on this thread (sorry, it is moving so fast I can't keep up!) but GA's absence is notable....and who is the lady that sits with CA now? At the last hearing CA didn't pay any attention to GA, in fact she kept her back to him as much as possible.....while her friend tried to keep her cleavage under control (anyone remember seeing that?) Sorry mods, there is a break in the action and I digress.....

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:17 AM
What could she (AL) not be allowed to say in court?

could it be something she wants to spare KC from hearing?

How does FLA do DP........lethal injection? gas? or Chair???

Cherry Baby
05-11-2010, 11:17 AM
Here, let me list them for the defense...

Duct Tape
No call that child was missing
Lying to investigators
Smell of death
Chloroform
and just for good measure, more duct tape.

I'd say those are aggravating factors.

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 11:17 AM
So the Defense is saying the SA chose to go for the Death Penalty because they knew how much money the Defense had in their defense fund?

Did I hear that right? That is outrageous!

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:18 AM
I'm sure it's been mentioned many times on this thread (sorry, it is moving so fast I can't keep up!) but GA's absence is notable....and who is the lady that sits with CA now? At the last hearing CA didn't pay any attention to GA, in fact she kept her back to him as much as possible.....while her friend tried to keep her cleavage under control (anyone remember seeing that?) Sorry mods, there is a break in the action and I digress.....

Perhaps he didn't want to hear them bring up his and Skye's suicide attempts?

SleuthyMama
05-11-2010, 11:18 AM
I hate it how the defense objectifies Caylee and denies her humanity by never saying her name.

Exactly, BeanE. They try so hard not to humanize Caylee. They already have such a mountain to climb, trying to defend Casey. They need all the help they can get. So they avoid reminding people of what a beautiful, adorable little girl Caylee was.

FaerieB
05-11-2010, 11:18 AM
With my earbuds in and the volume cranked I can *almost* hear them. Maybe I'll relisten later when my DH isn't around with the TV on.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:19 AM
What could kc be crying about now?????

celticthyme
05-11-2010, 11:19 AM
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state
Florida-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The capital offense was committed during the commission of, attempt of, or escape from a specified felony (such as robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, arson, oral copulation, train wrecking, carjacking, criminal gang activity, drug dealing, or aircraft piracy)
(3) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(4) The defendant committed the murder after substantial planning and premeditation
(5) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The capital offense was committed to interfere with the lawful exercise of any government function or the enforcement of the laws
(8) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(9) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(10)The defendant was a criminal street gang member
(11)The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age
(12)The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim
(13) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victimís official duties
(14)The defendant engaged in drug trafficking
(15)The defendant raped a child
(16)The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification
(17)The capital felony was committed by a person designated as a sexual predator or a person previously designated as a sexual predator who had the sexual predator designation removed

Macushla
05-11-2010, 11:19 AM
the side bar is in reference to the motion about the state and money. So the side bar MUST have something to do with money - but what I have no clue!

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:19 AM
:blowkiss: hope you are feeling better soon Mamabear :blowkiss:

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Yep...she's accusing the state of something nefarious concerning poor defendants lack of money.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
side bar is on courts record but not made public.............Vinnie said on IN SESSION

manatee
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Will the sidebar info be part of public record for later?

ynotdivein
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
could it be something she wants to spare KC from hearing?

How does FLA do DP........lethal injection? gas? or Chair???

Lock you in a room with a TV showing an endless loop of JB pressers and a gun with two bullets in it.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Casey solemn and writing something for the young female attorney. What is her name by the way? TIA

Insomnia Momma
05-11-2010, 11:21 AM
Who is the woman sitting next to and writing back and forth to KC?

Gypsy Road
05-11-2010, 11:21 AM
I'm coming in here late, but tru-tv is showing recaps of Casey while the attorneys are up doing a sidebar. Casey is really digging and poking at her eyes - looking at the tissue afterward. Please...just spare us! Her face is not red and there are no tears. She's faking it - again.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:21 AM
What's with KCs stray hair? Did she try to pull her hair out and only got half of that strand?

chefmom
05-11-2010, 11:21 AM
What could kc be crying about now?????

Something to do with herself, you can bet!

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 11:21 AM
CA praying hard...won't work CA...did you pray that hard for Caylee?? You do remember Caylee, don't you???

This is about a child who lost her life, mother never calls the authorities, they find her 6 months later, skeletal remains with duct tape over her breathing orafices...not once did mother of they year try to find her, report her missing or abducted but instead conducted her own investigations on stripper poles and in bars...Do you remember Caylee???

The smell of death in the pontiac, hair with death banding...Caylee, you do remember Caylee, don't you??

CA you should be embarrased to show your face, you have not stood up to be a voice for a grandchild who brought sunshine and love back to your home, Caylee, you do remember her name??? Can you picture her face??? Can you???

Justice for Caylee

QueenD
05-11-2010, 11:22 AM
could it be something she wants to spare KC from hearing?

How does FLA do DP........lethal injection? gas? or Chair???

Lethal Injection! Sparkie (the chair) has been put on hold, I think for-ever.
Too bad for this case anyway.

beach
05-11-2010, 11:22 AM
the side bar is in reference to the motion about the state and money. So the side bar MUST have something to do with money - but what I have no clue!

from what I could understand -

but I think the issue was the fact that the SA took the DP off the table then reinstated it.... If the defense had known the DP was going to be back on the table, they may have spent their money differently.

just my best understanding.... not worth too much ;)

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
motion denied

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Motion Denied!

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Denied.....SMACK!!!

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Denied!

CAYLEE 3 Defense 1

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
I'm enjoying two intelligent lawyers in action today, instead of just the State, imo.

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Defense's Motion Denied, Again.

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
11 death penalty motions left

QueenD
05-11-2010, 11:24 AM
That didn't take him but a split second to rule on that

Gypsy Road
05-11-2010, 11:25 AM
What's with KCs stray hair? Did she try to pull her hair out and only got half of that strand?

That little eye poking and tissue studying episode we just saw was a little act! She's not really crying.

Amster
05-11-2010, 11:25 AM
11 more death penalty motions!!!! OMG

sarah7855
05-11-2010, 11:25 AM
11 more DP motions to be heard. Ugh.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:25 AM
11 death penalty motions left

Whhaaat?

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 11:26 AM
Denied...

So, just one motion granted today for the defense and that is to list the aggravating circumstances for seeking the DP...


Justice for Caylee

beach
05-11-2010, 11:27 AM
11 more DP motions to be heard. Ugh.

I don't think they are referring to DP motions. :waitasec:

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:27 AM
HHJP reminding the attorneys about deadlines :D

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:27 AM
JP---he says he has one bad habit---please read your Trial Order with deadlines, if you don't have a good reason for not meeting those deadlines you may be left out in the cold.

21merc7
05-11-2010, 11:27 AM
Whhaaat?

Yes, there are loads of them, and all must be filed and addressed. Lots of work.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:27 AM
What could kc be crying about now?????

besides the loss of Caylee and being accused of her murder?

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:28 AM
last motion denied

momtective
05-11-2010, 11:28 AM
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state
Florida-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The capital offense was committed during the commission of, attempt of, or escape from a specified felony (such as robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, arson, oral copulation, train wrecking, carjacking, criminal gang activity, drug dealing, or aircraft piracy)
(3) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(4) The defendant committed the murder after substantial planning and premeditation
(5) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The capital offense was committed to interfere with the lawful exercise of any government function or the enforcement of the laws
(8) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(9) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(10)The defendant was a criminal street gang member
(11)The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age
(12)The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim
(13) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victimís official duties
(14)The defendant engaged in drug trafficking
(15)The defendant raped a child
(16)The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification
(17)The capital felony was committed by a person designated as a sexual predator or a person previously designated as a sexual predator who had the sexual predator designation removed

Well these are my picks....and the defense couldn't figure this out?!

LetJusticePrevail
05-11-2010, 11:28 AM
Who are all the extra women behind the defense table? Geez, everyday it's more.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:28 AM
Well, the defense got crumbs this morning, imo.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:28 AM
IF YOUR CLIENT IS INNOCENT.....then their is no need for special preparation for DP charges....the work would be the same.....it is when your client is GUILTY that you need to force the SA to tip their hand so that you can DEVISE a DP defense stragety.....IMO

BTW the judge rubs his legs when he rules.....interesting habit....wonder if it means anything about his feelings about his rulings....i.e....annoyance.....

sarah7855
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
I don't think they are referring to DP motions. :waitasec:

they were. JP asked AL how many more death penalty motions there were to be heard, she answered 11.

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
camera cut out early today

lisalei321
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
Well, nice to know I-4 has no backups...(courtesy of Myforxorlando) LOL

Gypsy Road
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
besides the loss of Caylee and being accused of her murder?
She certainly didn't cry when Caylee went missing, so she must be fake crying about being accused of murder.

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
I don't think they are referring to DP motions. :waitasec:

Yes, AL said 11 more death penalty motions to be heard. She was given 7 days to provide the state with a list of them. The state was given 10 days to respond.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
Yes, there are loads of them, and all must be filed and addressed. Lots of work.


I thought they meant 11 more motions TODAY.

darnudes
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
I don't think they are referring to DP motions. :waitasec:

It was, Judge Perry thought they had about 8 -12 death penalty motions left and Lyon said they had 11.

Horace Finklestein
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
besides the loss of Caylee and being accused of her murder?

She wouldn't cry over caylee.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
besides the loss of Caylee and being accused of her murder?
I seem to recall KC's response to losing Caylee was nothing at all. Thank goodness Cindy called 911.

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
seemed like another good hearing, things move right along in Judge Perry's court

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
That didn't take him but a split second to rule on that yeah, nothing they said in court swayed his preliminary ruling....kinda revealing...

Horace Finklestein
05-11-2010, 11:31 AM
I don't like all the hugging and physical contact. It's completely inappropriate and I wish JP would put a stop to it.

21merc7
05-11-2010, 11:31 AM
I thought they meant 11 more motions TODAY.

I see. Oh my! This day would never be finished if that were the case, would it?!

debbie0604
05-11-2010, 11:32 AM
Whhaaat?
Unfreakingbelievable...

Insomnia Momma
05-11-2010, 11:32 AM
I'm impressed with JP. This is the first time I've gotten to see him in action and I think the defense was right on in getting Strickland recused, sadly I think they are rethinking their decision though :)

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
11 death penalty motions left

all of them today??? WOW! moving along......should of been done a LONG time ago.
My hubby's 2 cents..........
1. Betcha JB is kicking himself for wanting another judge!
2, KC wearing ruffles so she looks sweet and girlish
3. That woman in the suit should not wear that!

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
Well ladies and gents, overall I would say a very good day for the state.

Really like the judge, and love JA.

Lanie
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
Yes!! Judge Perry has just redeemed himself in my eyes by his closing statement of "Please read your trial order with deadlines. If you knew about something, you don't have a very, very, very good reason for not meeting those deadlines, you might be left out in the cold, and that's for both sides."

I didn't like JP allowing that witness to testify, regardless of the outcome, since the defense did not follow proper procedure and give the state enough notice for an informed rebuttal. (Though IMHO, JA was great in his rebuttal!)

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
Exactly, BeanE. They try so hard not to humanize Caylee. They already have such a mountain to climb, trying to defend Casey. They need all the help they can get. So they avoid reminding people of what a beautiful, adorable little girl Caylee was.

Too bad for the defense that JA and the state WILL call her by name during the trial and will remind the jury that the "Last face she saw before her death was her mothers...It was stated by everyone who knew Caylee that she was above average in the intelligence area. I wonder if she knew what was happening to her? I wonder if she wondered WHAT she had done to make her mommy mad?"

Good luck trying to make it about poor KC. Even though KC has moved on to her "bella vita", we have not and will not until justice is served.

zoey
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
That little eye poking and tissue studying episode we just saw was a little act! She's not really crying.

again, why oh why does she wipe her tears with her finger---then use the tissue to wipe the tear away with her tissue....I have never seen that done before----I have never done that before---:waitasec:

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
And JB said he's going to file yet more motions....

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
besides the loss of Caylee and being accused of her murder?

perhaps I could believe that if the tears arrived oh,,,,,a few years ago....

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
She certainly didn't cry when Caylee went missing, so she must be fake crying about being accused of murder.

:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

ZsaZsa
05-11-2010, 11:34 AM
I'm coming in here late, but tru-tv is showing recaps of Casey while the attorneys are up doing a sidebar. Casey is really digging and poking at her eyes - looking at the tissue afterward. Please...just spare us! Her face is not red and there are no tears. She's faking it - again.

It's all about not messing up her makeup..

ZsaZsa
05-11-2010, 11:36 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" : TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": she wouldn't

be worried about being accused, whether she's guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

My Mother always said that a clear conscience was the best pillow.
I think that applies to Casey. A guilty conscience will wake you up at night..

ShadowGal
05-11-2010, 11:36 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

My off topic comment here....she had nightmares/sweats over CAylee...I don't recall tears at all. Please lets not derail this thread.

Harmony2
05-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Casey is being afforded the best defense lawyers (excluding Baez) and experts money can buy. The judges have been fair and ruled by the letter of the law. She will get her fair trial and there will be no reversals or grounds for appeal. IMO Justice will be served for Caylee in the end and hopefully the truth will prevail.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:37 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.
Can you quote where TL said she was crying at night over the loss of Caylee? I'd appreciate reading it, thank you lots.

ETA: don't quote it, send me a link, please, of him saying this. My PM box or visitor messages is fine, if it's not too much trouble.

Gypsy Road
05-11-2010, 11:37 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

I saw no wet tears, no red face. It didn't appear that she was crying IMO.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Hubby said defense knows they will lose this case so they are looking under mattresses for any bug they can find.......I had to share cause I was laughing

momtective
05-11-2010, 11:38 AM
She certainly didn't cry when Caylee went missing, so she must be fake crying about being accused of murder.

:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

Caylee never went missing...she was murdered...she wasn't a missing child, she was a murdered child. I don't think the tears have anything to do with Caylee...KC cries for herself. jmo

ZsaZsa
05-11-2010, 11:39 AM
IS it me or is anyone else severely underwhelmed by the power of A Lyons arguments? I thought that as a teacher she would be much more articulate and definitely not so whiny...:twocents:

seagull65
05-11-2010, 11:39 AM
No criticism of Judge Strickland of course, whom I liked very much also, but Judge Perry also seems great. I like his rapport with all the attorneys and he seems very fair.

darnudes
05-11-2010, 11:39 AM
Thank God little Caylee has Jeff Ashton at her side and fighting for her rights. He is a wonderful advocate for her and she needs it.

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:40 AM
Who are all the extra women behind the defense table? Geez, everyday it's more.

The defense thinks the more they surround KC with women, the more likely some of it will rub off on her.

rookie
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?

I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
I thought it appeared that KC was actually crying...I saw her nose turn red and tears (thank you HD big screen) but my issue is this...of all the horror that is involved in this case, the "timing" of her tears in court puzzles me...whatever could it be that brings tears to her eyes? It is not concurrent with anything that disturbing occuring in court....my only guess is that she is pondering that fact that the DP is NOT GOING AWAY perhaps as easily as her counsel led her to believe it would???? Is Kc upset because she is facing the reality of this case bit by little bit in these hearings? Oh it makes the mind wonder....

Pensfan
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
My Mother always said that a clear conscience was the best pillow.
I think that applies to Casey. A guilty conscience will wake you up at night..
I think her conscience is absent. She only cries because she feels sorry for herself.

zoey
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
IS it me or is anyone else severely underwhelmed by the power of A Lyons arguments? I thought that as a teacher she would be much more articulate and definitely not so whiny...:twocents:

don't know which was worse jb "quite frankly" or "al "ummmmmmmmmm"

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?

I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.
I didn't like him dressing down Ashton, either, but at the end of the day, JP is a fair and excellent judge. This will be a fair trial, to be sure, imo.

JP may like AL, but team Caylee won today's battle, again, it's just my opinion.

ETA: I got the impression JP was annoyed with AL at certain times.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
IMO why the defense shows more respect to Judge Perry is because he makes it a point to be by the book, strict and prompt. His court goes by the rules. JP does not put up with any bullchite.

strawberry
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

One time he found her watching the GGPA video and making the motions of crying but no sound. The other times he found her waking in a cold sweat.

ZsaZsa
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?

I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.

I got the opposite impression. Look at his face closely when A Lyons is talking about the State of Florida putting the 'cart before the horse' - he purses his lips and I swear he is biting his tongue at that moment- he stops the jiggling in his chair, then he sort of smirks, in a little irritated fashion.

truckengirl
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
JP---he says he has one bad habit---please read your Trial Order with deadlines, if you don't have a good reason for not meeting those deadlines you may be left out in the cold.

I believe that comment was meant for JB when JB said there would be more motions coming. IMHO I think JP was saying file all the motions you want you better have time left to meet the deadlines or else.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:44 AM
I saw no wet tears, no red face. It didn't appear that she was crying IMO.

Hi Gypsy Road...my tv is large and I sit real close! I could see tears and her nose did turn red....not trying to argue....wish I could send you the image I saw, it could just be your signal is not as clear as mine...but she wipes them away and looks at them still....

Baznme
05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
I think her conscious is absent. She only cries because she feels sorry for herself.

IMO it was the comment about Caylee being "happy and healthy" that triggered the crying. She works at digging around her eyes when it starts which contributes to MORE tears. She milks it for whatever she can get out of it. I also think Baez is visibly unable to focus on anything else but KC when she is crying.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
I got the impression that whatever they discussed at the sidebar was not going to be allowed to factor into this motion, considering what AL said when they got back to their seats. Did anyone else get that impression. It seemed like the judge decided not to allow it - because AL said something to the effect of 'we will go with what we said previously'.

It has to do with money, and you can see the defense is extremely nervous whenever money is mention - like JB popping up out of his seat when Ashton started to talk about the in camera session way back when. What money issue could still be outstanding - unless it is something to do with that ABC guy who is always around?

eaglemom
05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
It kind of irritates me that Lyon got away with slipping in their witness without notifying the court. JP was very specific about putting in the motions the need for witnesses and their names. If the SAO had tried that the defense would have had a conniption.

MOO

celticthyme
05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
Well these are my picks....and the defense couldn't figure this out?!

Yup Momtective, those were mine too

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 11:46 AM
Well these are my picks....and the defense couldn't figure this out?!

With their combined education and experience...It seems not..It was not so difficult for us "bloggers" to figure it out. The Defense needs to have it spelled out for them.
Oh well, that's a no brainer for the SA anyway...just type it up and hand it over.

Pensfan
05-11-2010, 11:47 AM
She must be found guilty of aggravated child abuse for the jury to be given the option of DP? OR....if she isn't found guilty of aggravated child abuse the defense can more likely win an appeal if she is given the DP?

momtective
05-11-2010, 11:48 AM
With their combined education and experience...It seems not..It was not so difficult for us "bloggers" to figure it out. The Defense needs to have it spelled out for them.
Oh well, that's a no brainer for the SA anyway...just type it up and hand it over.

With a post script "you're idiots!":dance:

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 11:48 AM
It kind of irritates me that Lyon got away with slipping in their witness without notifying the court. JP was very specific about putting in the motions the need for witnesses and their names. If the SAO had tried that the defense would have had a conniption.

MOO
In hindsight, I'm glad JP allowed it. The defense can't pizz and moan about be treated unfairly.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 11:49 AM
With their combined education and experience...It seems not..It was not so difficult for us "bloggers" to figure it out. The Defense needs to have it spelled out for them.
Oh well, that's a no brainer for the SA anyway...just type it up and hand it over.

A better way for the State to do this would be to copy and paste the posts of ALL the 'bloggers' who managed to figure it out and send it on to the defense :)

That would be funny, but I am sure it would not be allowed!

Intermezzo
05-11-2010, 11:49 AM
I got the impression that whatever they discussed at the sidebar was not going to be allowed to factor into this motion, considering what AL said when they got back to their seats. Did anyone else get that impression. It seemed like the judge decided not to allow it - because AL said something to the effect of 'we will go with what we said previously'.

It has to do with money, and you can see the defense is extremely nervous whenever money is mention - like JB popping up out of his seat when Ashton started to talk about the in camera session way back when. What money issue could still be outstanding - unless it is something to do with that ABC guy who is always around?

BBM
I agree.
IMO. Baez is VERY concerned about the money issue being raised and that it must be kept SECRET. So if the Court agrees to keep it private...then Oh Well for me. perhaps one day we will find out.

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:49 AM
:waitasec:
"she didn't cry when Caylee went missing" ---- TL says she was awake crying at night

"so she must be fake crying about being accused": ------- she wouldn't be worried about being accused/the death penalty, whether guilty or innocent? I'm not sure I get you here.

Hmmm, I wonder why she was crying with TL since apparently Caylee was safe with the nanny and not really missing? She must have been crying at the blockbuster late fees from the movies she rented the last day Caylee was seen alive.:waitasec:

gogrannypop
05-11-2010, 11:50 AM
I believe KC is "crying" because all of her lies will be exposed to the world and she is going to have to face the consequences. Something she, quite frankly, has never had to do before. May she rot in H3ll.

JMO

beach
05-11-2010, 11:51 AM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?
I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.

BBM

I adore JS, but HHJP demands more professional conduct in his courtroom. Scribbling, chewing gum, bantering between the opposing attorneys will not be tolerated and he makes it clear from the get go.

in re. Ms. Lyon - I simply got the impression that he respected the fact that she had at least researched the law and was a welcome relief from the likes of tolerating & listening to an ill-prepared JB bumble along.

Macushla
05-11-2010, 11:52 AM
When AL said for the umpteenth time that the defense had no idea what 'new facts' the State was talking about when they re introduced the death penalty - I yelled "The duct tape for one" at the computer monitor - anyone else have that same reaction?

momtective
05-11-2010, 11:52 AM
I believe KC is "crying" because all of her lies will be exposed to the world and she is going to have to face the consequences. Something she, quite frankly, has never had to do before. May she rot in H3ll.

JMO

Tears of humiliation...and I hope she cries a river!

gibby207
05-11-2010, 11:52 AM
I think this JP is VERY smart, VERY fair, and his rulings seem to reflect he wants this trial squeaky clean and obvious that justice is served.

celticthyme
05-11-2010, 11:52 AM
What I'll never understand here is why the defense does not look at what the state most probably sees as "aggravating" factors, + scientific findings, crime scene photos, in other words what they will most likely present as evidence and attack or disprove that, rather than trying to change the Florida law, run to court with frivolous motions, fuss around with the TES issue, (have the SA do their work for them). . . I can't tell if they really do not know where to start here or are just plain lazy ?
Probably BOTH

Sorry for the run on sentences :0)

Pensfan
05-11-2010, 11:53 AM
This gender bias is total BS. KC isn't suffering from discrimination. Anyone who pre meditatively murders a child, covers her face with duct tape, and tosses her in the bushes would also be "discriminated against" and given a possibility of the DP. What a giant slap in the face for women's rights!

beach
05-11-2010, 11:54 AM
I got the impression that whatever they discussed at the sidebar was not going to be allowed to factor into this motion, considering what AL said when they got back to their seats. Did anyone else get that impression. It seemed like the judge decided not to allow it - because AL said something to the effect of 'we will go with what we said previously'.

It has to do with money, and you can see the defense is extremely nervous whenever money is mention - like JB popping up out of his seat when Ashton started to talk about the in camera session way back when. What money issue could still be outstanding - unless it is something to do with that ABC guy who is always around?

I posted wayyyy back in this thread, but I think the point was -

the SA took the DP off the table and then put it back on 5 mos. later. In re. the money, I believe the defense is contending that had they known this was going to be a DP case, they would have spent their money differently. :innocent:

Not positive, but pretty sure that was their contention.

Gma Kat
05-11-2010, 11:56 AM
In Session just showed KC crying again...it did start when they mentioned Caylee being happy and healthy.....talking heads mention it could play well for the defense if she gets emotional at trial.....

I wouldn't rule out remorse to be leaking into her heart by now.....Caylee would have started kindergarden this year wouldn't she?

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:56 AM
I agree that JP does seem to like AL. I work with a lot of big ego, very powerful men. One thing I have learned is they often LOVE to have their ego stroked. AL does a great job of doing that. The other attorneys could learn something from her. This is why I think CM will clash with JP. Both like to be in charge.

Purple Iris
05-11-2010, 11:56 AM
IMO it was the comment about Caylee being "happy and healthy" that triggered the crying. She works at digging around her eyes when it starts which contributes to MORE tears. She milks it for whatever she can get out of it. I also think Baez is visibly unable to focus on anything else but KC when she is crying.

I think the referance to Caylee having been a "happy and healthy" child, is thr trigger in that CASEY turns that remark to herself.

SHE at one time was "happy and healthy" until these meanies interrupted her "happy and healthy" life that she thought she had going.

There are never any tears when Caylee has ever been talked about, aside of the time when JA spoke of the duct tape and got real dramatic.
And, those were tears of anger, not sadness or horror of how her daughter was found, IMO.

Pensfan
05-11-2010, 11:58 AM
In Session just showed KC crying again...it did start when they mentioned Caylee being happy and healthy.....talking heads mention it could play well for the defense if she gets emotional at trial.....

I wouldn't rule out remorse to be leaking into her heart by now.....Caylee would have started kindergarden this year wouldn't she?
Or that she knows all those precious smiling photos of Caylee will be shown in court and make jurors,like those of us on WS, furious!

gamom
05-11-2010, 11:59 AM
A better way for the State to do this would be to copy and paste the posts of ALL the 'bloggers' who managed to figure it out and send it on to the defense :)

That would be funny, but I am sure it would not be allowed!

How many times did AL reference bloggers today? She can read bloggers post but no time to figure out her to defend KC?

She is reading the wrong blogs then in my opinion. KC's defense is clear. Admit you did it and try to plea. :truce:

Kimster
05-11-2010, 11:59 AM
If I see one more post with "bozo" in it, I'm loading up the ray gun. :nono:

suzihawk
05-11-2010, 12:02 PM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?

I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.

JP commands and demands respect. This isn't a slam against JS as I think he was exceptionally fair; even bent over backwards to be fair to the defense, IMO. He's just a little less... uh, formal than JP. Maybe the defense saw that as a weakness and used it to attempt to run roughshod over him? They know that won't work with JP.

spyhouston
05-11-2010, 12:03 PM
Someone asked earlier in the thread and it may have been answered (I've missed several pages today) if the judge could overrule the jury's DP verdict. Could have changed, but my very first CourtTV/InSession trial was Justin Barber from Florida court, found guilty and given the DP by the jury, then later the judge overruled and gave IIRC LWOP.

21merc7
05-11-2010, 12:04 PM
I posted wayyyy back in this thread, but I think the point was -

the SA took the DP off the table and then put it back on 5 mos. later. In re. the money, I believe the defense is contending that had they known this was going to be a DP case, they would have spent their money differently. :innocent:

Not positive, but pretty sure that was their contention.

If that is what the defense is saying, it has no legal bearing on the case. That is just defense mismanaging funds to their own detriment. Too bad, so sad. JB quoted a price, got whatever he got from KC, end of story. He knew this was going to be some sort of murder trial. He should have had KC ask for indigent funding as soon as DP was on the table. Just my thoughts on that issue.

Pensfan
05-11-2010, 12:05 PM
I bet KC was administered a large dose of xanax this morning and a Placidyl last night (making her sleepy and hung over) to help KC be emotional and appear remorseful today.

doogiesgirl
05-11-2010, 12:05 PM
My off topic comment here....she had nightmares/sweats over CAylee...I don't recall tears at all. Please lets not derail this thread.

Yes and in addition it was after weeks of partying --- and not a word about her missing(yeah right--she knew dead) daughter. KC said the nightmares were about she and TL breaking up and him going back to NY if IRC.

MOO

2goldfish
05-11-2010, 12:06 PM
I forgot there was another hearing today and was off doing practical things :biglaugh:

and I am only on page 11 of getting caught up plus read media reports and video showing KC in tears

so far, where is defense going with the "scantily clad bias" crap? I dont think the state or me or anyone else gives a flying (censored) at a rolling doughnut what KC was ever wearing, it's about taping her baby's face and throwing her out like trash, right?

and she coulda done those things and then wore a nun's habit afterwards rather than a blue dress and I still would not think highly of her. so what's this bias junk?

second, from the tears video, looked to me she started crying after the happy caylee comment, when it was back to bias. I'll watch it again.

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 12:07 PM
When AL said for the umpteenth time that the defense had no idea what 'new facts' the State was talking about when they re introduced the death penalty - I yelled "The duct tape for one" at the computer monitor - anyone else have that same reaction?

Yep! The fact Caylee was found duct-taped, triple-bagged and tossed in a swamp like trash should give AL an idea.

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:07 PM
When AL said for the umpteenth time that the defense had no idea what 'new facts' the State was talking about when they re introduced the death penalty - I yelled "The duct tape for one" at the computer monitor - anyone else have that same reaction?

Yep. I was like..."HELLLOOOO...she was found with tape on her face!" I did the same thing when AL was saying "The medical examination says Homicide with unknown means" I was like "Healthy kids don't just die with tape on their face?"

2goldfish
05-11-2010, 12:08 PM
Someone asked earlier in the thread and it may have been answered (I've missed several pages today) if the judge could overrule the jury's DP verdict. Could have changed, but my very first CourtTV/InSession trial was Justin Barber from Florida court, found guilty and given the DP by the jury, then later the judge overruled and gave IIRC LWOP.

I believe they can indeed overrule but rarely do so.

JBean
05-11-2010, 12:08 PM
If I see one more post with "bozo" in it, I'm loading up the ray gun. :nono:
the ray gun is already loaded and 1 day To's for every Bozo post.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 12:09 PM
are they coming back after lunch hour.........

trigger
05-11-2010, 12:11 PM
In Session just showed KC crying again...it did start when they mentioned Caylee being happy and healthy.....talking heads mention it could play well for the defense if she gets emotional at trial.....

I wouldn't rule out remorse to be leaking into her heart by now.....Caylee would have started kindergarden this year wouldn't she?

See her crying on Wesh...

http://www.wesh.com/video/23516177/index.html

magnolia
05-11-2010, 12:11 PM
are they coming back after lunch hour.........

No, that's it for the day.

Baznme
05-11-2010, 12:11 PM
She's been incarcerated now for what....going on 2 years? She's been away from the unhealthy lifestyle she once lived and has had some time to reflect. It's just possible she has a tender moment once in a while and that the tears are real. I keep hoping she'll let the facts pour in and let her completely fall apart. Show the world she's human but, no, she squeaks one out here and there and makes it look like she's really "upset". What's she looking for on the tips of those fingers? It's just water!

Roze
05-11-2010, 12:13 PM
See her crying on Wesh...

http://www.wesh.com/video/23516177/index.html

The only reason she is crying today is because HER life is hanging in the balance at this hearing

strawberry
05-11-2010, 12:13 PM
She's been incarcerated now for what....going on 2 years? She's been away from the unhealthy lifestyle she once lived and has had some time to reflect. It's just possible she has a tender moment once in a while and that the tears are real. I keep hoping she'll let the facts pour in and let her completely fall apart. Show the world she's human but, no, she squeaks one out here and there and makes it look like she's really "upset". What's she looking for on the tips of those fingers? It's just water!

For the life of me it blows me away when she walks in smiling. WTH is she smiling about? I'd be a nervous wreck!!

manatee
05-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Did anyone notice that AL did not say "the state wants to kill my client?' or did I miss it? It seems she was careful not to say that today

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:17 PM
She's been incarcerated now for what....going on 2 years? She's been away from the unhealthy lifestyle she once lived and has had some time to reflect. It's just possible she has a tender moment once in a while and that the tears are real. I keep hoping she'll let the facts pour in and let her completely fall apart. Show the world she's human but, no, she squeaks one out here and there and makes it look like she's really "upset". What's she looking for on the tips of those fingers? It's just water!

I think the tears were real and real emotion. I think she generally IS shedding tears for Caylee. In what content? We will never know. I think she is looking at her fingers after she wipes thinking..."OMG, what is happening? Am I crying? Is this...is this the sadness the whole world has been feeling for Caylee since day 31?"

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
It doesn't matter to me that Inmate Anthony cried (not really cried but teared up, poking at her eyes to tear more, IMO) at hearing Caylee wasa happy and healthy child.

What matters is what she didn't do after leaving in a rage from her home on Hopespring Drive on June 15th, 2009...I don't believe GA either when he stated he saw them both leave that afternoon, or that he carried Caylee to the car and put her in her car seat that afternoon...hogwash, IMO..

For one month, CA was trying to talk to Caylee..Caylee was always allegedly somewhere else or napping..for one month, CA tried to track down Inmate Anthony to no avail..Only when the vehicle with the smell of death was picked up at the tow yard, was CA able to physically "find" Inmate Anthony only to be told, she had not seen her child in 31 days..Only then it became dire to find this child, yet, at every turn, not one word of truth spoken by this allegedly "good mom"!

Good moms do not drug their child so they can party, as her jailhouse letters/conversations told. Good moms do not avoid their family so they can keep their child hidden...good moms work to provide for their own children. Good moms teach their children right from wrong. Seems some lessons were lost along the years...

I only hope, Inmate Anthony sees the balance of justice is not in her favor and she finally wakes up to save her own life. She can end this now, keep her private life private if she so desires. She can ensure she doesn't meet a DP sentence by admitting to her wrongs, taking responsibility for her own actions and get on with her consequences..there are always consequences for bad behaviors, Inmate Anthony needs to understand things do not look good for her and it would be in her best interest to plead guilty (just as MH did in killing Sandra Cantu) and save those gory details of Caylee's last moments alive..that would be the road to take and if I were her defense team, I'd recommend to take the high road! There's no more money to be made, so Baez should consider this and lay it out for Inmate Anthony...JMHO

I feel Caylee's justice getting close and I feel Caylee will get justice..


Justice for Caylee

Baznme
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
I think the tears were real and real emotion. I think she generally IS shedding tears for Caylee. In what content? We will never know. I think she is looking at her fingers after she wipes thinking..."OMG, what is happening? Am I crying? Is this...is this the sadness the whole world has been feeling for Caylee since day 31?"


There may be a glint of true emotion and tears there but not enough to convince me anyway that she doesn't deserve to face the DP for what she's done. So, how could it convince a jury?

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
She's been incarcerated now for what....going on 2 years? She's been away from the unhealthy lifestyle she once lived and has had some time to reflect. It's just possible she has a tender moment once in a while and that the tears are real. I keep hoping she'll let the facts pour in and let her completely fall apart. Show the world she's human but, no, she squeaks one out here and there and makes it look like she's really "upset". What's she looking for on the tips of those fingers? It's just water!
Putting my dislike for KC aside, it's possible she had a tender moment. I concede she may have cried for Caylee today, but without a confession and a verbal display of remorse for the lives she has shattered, her tears mean nothing to me because there's no context for her tears. Heck, she could have been feeling a tender moment, but still feeling no remorse.

My opinion...

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Caylee never went missing...she was murdered...she wasn't a missing child, she was a murdered child. I don't think the tears have anything to do with Caylee...KC cries for herself. jmo
bbm
I think that once the trial is underway the State will be driving home that point every chance it gets.

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Did anyone notice that AL did not say "the state wants to kill my client?' or did I miss it? It seems she was careful not to say that today

Yep, I noticed it. SHe avoided it because she knows that JP IS DP experienced and "quite frankly" JP don't play....

I was surprised JP let JA make the "irony is rich" comment directly while looking at the defense. It was AWESOME!!!! by the way.:croc:

Misfitdolly
05-11-2010, 12:21 PM
I am bothered by the unprofessional way that JP speaks. "Wiff" instead of "with", "Pacific" instead of "Specific". I do not mean to be nit picking but it bothers me every time I hear him speak.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:22 PM
Yep, I noticed it. SHe avoided it because she knows that JP IS DP experienced and "quite frankly" JP don't play....

I was surprised JP let JA make the "irony is rich" comment directly while looking at the defense. It was AWESOME!!!! by the way.:croc:
Can't wait to watch this moment again.

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:22 PM
Putting my dislike for KC aside, it's possible she had a tender moment. I concede she may have cried for Caylee today, but without a confession and a verbal display of remorse for the lives she has shattered, her tears mean nothing to me because there's no context for her tears. Heck, she could have been feeling a tender moment, but still feeling no remorse.

My opinion...

Might have also been the effects of what ever drug they put her on. It is no doubt she is on a relaxer of some sort. I can't say I blame the defense for doing this.

whiteangora
05-11-2010, 12:22 PM
IS it me or is anyone else severely underwhelmed by the power of A Lyons arguments? I thought that as a teacher she would be much more articulate and definitely not so whiny...:twocents:

She is not dynamic, she is boring and whiny. For a professor and a lawyer with decades of practice I really expected her to "move me".

LCoastMom
05-11-2010, 12:23 PM
Can you quote where TL said she was crying at night over the loss of Caylee? I'd appreciate reading it, thank you lots.

ETA: don't quote it, send me a link, please, of him saying this. My PM box or visitor messages is fine, if it's not too much trouble.

It is in his OCSD interview. He woke up, she was on her laptop watching a video (the GGpa You Are My Sun Shine IIRC).

Don't recall if it happened more than once - the night sweats were 2 or 3 times - when he returned from NY. The crying statement is in this same interview.

PS you might want to edit your ETA re PM ;)

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:24 PM
I am bothered by the unprofessional way that JP speaks. "Wiff" instead of "with", "Pacific" instead of "Specific". I do not mean to be nit picking but it bothers me every time I hear him speak.
Ha, ha. Yeah, I've heard other people say that. Personally, I think his dialect is charming.

SallyLu
05-11-2010, 12:26 PM
It doesn't matter to me that Inmate Anthony cried (not really cried but teared up, poking at her eyes to tear more, IMO) at hearing Caylee wasa happy and healthy child.

What matters is what she didn't do after leaving in a rage from her home on Hopespring Drive on June 15th, 2009...I don't believe GA either when he stated he saw them both leave that afternoon, or that he carried Caylee to the car and put her in her car seat that afternoon...hogwash, IMO..

For one month, CA was trying to talk to Caylee..Caylee was always allegedly somewhere else or napping..for one month, CA tried to track down Inmate Anthony to no avail..Only when the vehicle with the smell of death was picked up at the tow yard, was CA able to physically "find" Inmate Anthony only to be told, she had not seen her child in 31 days..Only then it became dire to find this child, yet, at every turn, not one word of truth spoken by this allegedly "good mom"!

Good moms do not drug their child so they can party, as her jailhouse letters/conversations told. Good moms do not avoid their family so they can keep their child hidden...good moms work to provide for their own children. Good moms teach their children right from wrong. Seems some lessons were lost along the years...

I only hope, Inmate Anthony sees the balance of justice is not in her favor and she finally wakes up to save her own life. She can end this now, keep her private life private if she so desires. She can ensure she doesn't meet a DP sentence by admitting to her wrongs, taking responsibility for her own actions and get on with her consequences..there are always consequences for bad behaviors, Inmate Anthony needs to understand things do not look good for her and it would be in her best interest to plead guilty (just as MH did in killing Sandra Cantu) and save those gory details of Caylee's last moments alive..that would be the road to take and if I were her defense team, I'd recommend to take the high road! There's no more money to be made, so Baez should consider this and lay it out for Inmate Anthony...JMHO

I feel Caylee's justice getting close and I feel Caylee will get justice..


Justice for Caylee

Your post echoes my thoughts and I wish there was just one person that would say "Casey, come on now let's stop this circus and tell the truth." Where is that one person - ya know - the one that has morals and isn't out for their own fame and fortune.

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:26 PM
It is in his OCSD interview. He woke up, she was on her laptop watching a video (the GGpa You Are My Sun Shine IIRC).

Don't recall if it happened more than once - the night sweats were 2 or 3 times - when he returned from NY. The crying statement is in this same interview.

PS you might want to edit your ETA re PM ;)

IIRC, TL didn't say KC was crying about the loss of Caylee. She might have been, but TL never stated that she was; he couldn't have because he didn't know Caylee was missing.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 12:26 PM
I missed when the next 11 motions are........scheduled?
I did hear 10 days for state to give their list to defense.

darnudes
05-11-2010, 12:27 PM
I am bothered by the unprofessional way that JP speaks. "Wiff" instead of "with", "Pacific" instead of "Specific". I do not mean to be nit picking but it bothers me every time I hear him speak.

Come on now, it is not unprofessional.

It has to do with his cultural upbringing and his accent, I would say, although I am no expert on Southern accents, but I just wouldn't go there personally in respects to how Judge Perry pronounces words. I think that is disrespectful .

kbl8201
05-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Why is Casey not there? Is she maybe having an anxiety attack?

she heard they dont let you have beer for you last meal.

passionflower
05-11-2010, 12:29 PM
Wonder where George and Lee are????

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:29 PM
There may be a glint of true emotion and tears there but not enough to convince me anyway that she doesn't deserve to face the DP for what she's done. So, how could it convince a jury?

If I was a juror (although I would not qualify because I am against the DP), the tears would not phase me at all. The phone call when she says it was a waste calling them, would weight more on me. I guess because it was "excited utterance" Remorse 2 years later, is great. Hopefully it gives her some peace with her maker, but for me, I find it a little too late. It won't bring Caylee back.

That being said, LWOP is a worse sentence in my mind. ESPECIALLY if she has a new found remorse.

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 12:30 PM
She's been incarcerated now for what....going on 2 years? She's been away from the unhealthy lifestyle she once lived and has had some time to reflect. It's just possible she has a tender moment once in a while and that the tears are real. I keep hoping she'll let the facts pour in and let her completely fall apart. Show the world she's human but, no, she squeaks one out here and there and makes it look like she's really "upset". What's she looking for on the tips of those fingers? It's just water!

It's also possible she realizes now she is up that creek without that paddle. Too much against her, IMO...

Or when it was stated Caylee was happy and healthy...she wasn't found that way, her skeletal remains with duct tape in the Zone Inmate Anthony buried her pets at, she received a minds glimpse of that, she had a remember moment...like Chit...what have I done???? Whatever it was it passed in a moment...just like a faucet you turn on and off...how do they turn off so quickly...I'd be sobbing the entire time...small drop in a bucket to me...JMHO


Justice for Caylee

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:32 PM
Wonder where George and Lee are????

Hopefully hiring an attorney to get ready to fight back against the molestation charges.

TotallyObsessed
05-11-2010, 12:32 PM
I CANNOT believe I was working and missed this hearing. Will have to watch the video later (thanks to Angelwhocares). I did watch the video clip of KC crying......NOT. That was NOT crying. I watched it with no sound and it was a very fast, over and done with, eyes watering type thing. No real emotion behind it. She works very, very hard to cover it up and hold it in. WHY? Doesn't the defense realize if she cried FOR REAL she would look somewhat human? Why does JB get visibly upset when she cries? He was looking around frantically...like "help, someone"....

MOO

kbl8201
05-11-2010, 12:33 PM
Casey's shirt is unbuttoned down to her belly!

put the women and children to bed, quick!

truckengirl
05-11-2010, 12:34 PM
Why in the world would JB be logged into Facebook on the computer during the hearing, why would that be allowed with KC sitting right there.

kbl8201
05-11-2010, 12:36 PM
casey looks terrible today, she looks like she does not want to be there, looks very tired.

maybe its the late night 'parties' with her cellmate thats keeping her from sleeping.....

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 12:37 PM
Why in the world would JB be logged into Facebook on the computer during the hearing, why would that be allowed with KC sitting right there.

I believe that was just a joke. He was typing on a keyboard. I assumed he was taking notes, but I don't know that for sure.

Tuba
05-11-2010, 12:38 PM
If you scrutinize Casey in the time leading up to her tearful moments, she was holding back tears over a lot of the counsels' arguments and the NM "expert"'s. It was mortifying, she colored from the embarrassment and was hard put to keep from registering her emotions. Those tears were A LONG TIME COMING!

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:39 PM
Why in the world would JB be logged into Facebook on the computer during the hearing, why would that be allowed with KC sitting right there.
hi, i am in court. and spanish. i am a famous spanish lawyer.
the Lyon is roaring now. like a LION. she isn't spanish.
sidebar...brb

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:42 PM
I CANNOT believe I was working and missed this hearing. Will have to watch the video later (thanks to Angelwhocares). I did watch the video clip of KC crying......NOT. That was NOT crying. I watched it with no sound and it was a very fast, over and done with, eyes watering type thing. No real emotion behind it. She works very, very hard to cover it up and hold it in. WHY? Doesn't the defense realize if she cried FOR REAL she would look somewhat human? Why does JB get visibly upset when she cries? He was looking around frantically...like "help, someone"....

MOO

I once sat on a case where the defendant kept pinching them self under the table to keep the tears flowing. It was effective and more believable then the occasional tear. Not trying to help KC garner sympathy but the defense may want to look it that. sociopaths just can't feel emotion.

momtective
05-11-2010, 12:42 PM
If you scrutinize Casey in the time leading up to her tearful moments, she was holding back tears over a lot of the counsels' arguments and the NM "expert"'s. It was mortifying, she colored from the embarrassment and was hard put to keep from registering her emotions. Those tears were A LONG TIME COMING!

I agree and when AL made the statement "people don't say this out loud anymore... "she's a whore and deserves to die..." that's when the dam spring a leak.

2goldfish
05-11-2010, 12:45 PM
It never surprises me that KC cries. the surprising thing is that she ever stops.

if my baby was kidnapped and found dead, face taped up, body scattered by animals I would never, ever, ever stop crying. even if the tears werent actually falling I would be choking them back.

I know this because every single case I read on websleuths is translated in my vivid imagination to what if it were my baby? and tears always being choked back.

luvmy4brats
05-11-2010, 12:45 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it was odd that JB had an iPad in the courtroom today and had it set up in front of KC?

I really can't fathom how that's allowed.

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 12:46 PM
InSession is replaying testimony from ER. JMO, but AL sure picked a bad witness. No credentials whatsoever other than having read newspapers/media to write her articles and form opinions and no familiarity with this case.

Kat
05-11-2010, 12:50 PM
Can someone please sum up the motions that were ruled on today?

Ones that were postponed and why?

There are 40 pages here! I can't catch up! Thank Thank Thank you so very much in advance!

JBean
05-11-2010, 12:51 PM
references to speech issues, body issues, physical attractiveness issues and other petty criticisms need to be left out of this.
I just popped in and was pretty discouraged to see that stuff still going on in these threads about the murder of a baby.

wonders
05-11-2010, 12:51 PM
Yep, I noticed it. SHe avoided it because she knows that JP IS DP experienced and "quite frankly" JP don't play....

I was surprised JP let JA make the "irony is rich" comment directly while looking at the defense. It was AWESOME!!!! by the way.:croc:

I must say that I didn't like JA saying that because he was stooping to a level that we have found childish.

What'sThatClue
05-11-2010, 12:51 PM
During the replay, I note that ER states "it's not legally relevant", then JA challenges her on that point.

JA did an excellent job here.

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 12:53 PM
IIRC, TL didn't say KC was crying about the loss of Caylee. She might have been, but TL never stated that she was; he couldn't have because he didn't know Caylee was missing.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008/

Page 30, TonyL speaks about nighmares and waking up in sweats..

You are correct, Turnadot, TonyL had not idea that Caylee was missing..the day in question are the days she and tony went to blockbuster watched movies and spent the night, sans Caylee..she had waken a couple of times in sweats and nightmares but never elaborated to Tony what those entailed. She did use the excuse on how their relationship was going, seems she was more into TonyL than he was into her..JMHO

If you spend every spare moment you have with your boyfriend du jour, how do you not inform him that your child is missing or the nanny abducted her or failed to return her...when TonyL found out, he was baffled...even texted Inmate Anthony to say, how could you not tell me, I'm supposed to be your boyfriend...Inmate Anthony will have a hard time explaining things away, which is why she will never take the stand in her own defense..too much hinky things she didn't do that normally would be done if a child of your own is not in your custody for 31 days...I smell a guilty plea coming....(fingers crossed)...JMHO

Turnadot
05-11-2010, 12:54 PM
I must say that I didn't like JA saying that because he was stooping to a level that we have found childish.
Considering the context, I think JA was spot on with that comment, and it was a golden moment.

kbl8201
05-11-2010, 12:54 PM
im glad he let her testify, i could needed a good laugh

gamom
05-11-2010, 12:55 PM
InSession is replaying testimony from ER. JMO, but AL sure picked a bad witness. No credentials whatsoever other than having read newspapers/media to write her articles and form opinions and no familiarity with this case.

Heck, I am more of an expert then this chick...

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 12:57 PM
May I ask why JP is shown such respect by the defense but they couldn't seem to show it to Judge Strickland?
What is the difference between the 2?

I thought Jeff Ashton was wonderful; very passionate and well spoken.
I didn't like the judge giving him a little dressing down and I don't feel that the judge is very well spoken at all considering his position of power.
He should say his words more clearly.
Maybe i'm just pizzed at him for scolding Ashton. How dare he!

I got the impression that the judge liked Ms. Lyon.

I thought he was "amused" by Ms Lyon(s)

beach
05-11-2010, 12:58 PM
I must say that I didn't like JA saying that because he was stooping to a level that we have found childish.

I didn't find the remark itself 'childish' at all. In fact, I found it spot on.

The only thing JA did wrong in my opinion, is when he looked at the defense table when he said it. He set himself up for AL to call him out on it, which she did. He should have just kept on looking at the podium. Everyone in the courtroom knew exactly where that pointed barb was aimed.

gamom
05-11-2010, 01:00 PM
Can someone please sum up the motions that were ruled on today?

Ones that were postponed and why?

There are 40 pages here! I can't catch up! Thank Thank Thank you so very much in advance!

4 Motions heard

The score is

CAYLEE 3 vs Defense 1

Defense won that the state has to tell the which agg. factors they are going to use for DP.

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 01:00 PM
Can someone please sum up the motions that were ruled on today?

Ones that were postponed and why?

There are 40 pages here! I can't catch up! Thank Thank Thank you so very much in advance!

Motion to dismiss death penalty due to gender bias. - Denied

Two motions to declare Florida's death penalty unconstitutional. - Denied

Motion to require the state to tell the defense which aggravating circumstances they will attempt to prove. - Granted

Reciprocal request asking the defense to provide the state which mitigating circumstances they will attempt to prove. - Denied w/o prejudice

Motion to keep the defense's penalty phase witnesses secret. - Denied (but the judge did say he would consider keeping the witnesses private info secret like their home address, I think)

Motion to dismiss the death penalty due to the defense's claim the state is only seeking it because KC doesn't have enough money to pay for it. - Denied

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 01:00 PM
How many times did AL reference bloggers today? She can read bloggers post but no time to figure out her to defend KC?

She is reading the wrong blogs then in my opinion. KC's defense is clear. Admit you did it and try to plea. :truce:

Oh AL doesn't read the blogs, she has her students join blogs and report back to her. You mean you haven't noticed that out there on the web?:innocent:

Aedrys
05-11-2010, 01:00 PM
InSession is replaying testimony from ER. JMO, but AL sure picked a bad witness. No credentials whatsoever other than having read newspapers/media to write her articles and form opinions and no familiarity with this case.

I just cannot understand why the defense is constantly underachieving in these hearings. I mean WTF? This is about the freaking DEATH PENALTY and all she can find is someone who reads newspapers and can make an observation based off of that? Shoot, I have an undergrad degree in Psychology and a Masters in English - does that qualify me to be a defense expert? Sheesh, I REALLY expected better out of Andrea Lyons of all people on that defense.

I am just baffled at how underprepared the defense is FOR EVERY HEARING. Do they realize that they CANNOT come to trial like this? JA is going to mop the floor with them every five minutes at trial if they prepare this little for it! And why in the HELL is Casey not mad at how poorly prepared her own defense is? Does she think they're all going to wave a big magic wand and get her out of prison at trial? Cause that's what it's going to take at this point, magic or a miracle or both.

Then again, they keep being this underprepared, the trial should be easy for the SA. I cannot get over their laziness and underpreparedness, and every step of the way they want the SA to do their jobs for them. HOW THE FRAK CAN THEY NOT KNOW WHAT THE MITIGATING FACTORS ARE? My dog knows more about this case than they do!

BTW, JA is my frakkin' hero! Justice for Caylee will certainly be served. I say we write letters of thanks to him and the SA after the guilty verdict is read. I can't thank them enough for how much they are standing up for Caylee. SEE A'S? THAT'S WHAT STANDING UP FOR THE RIGHT REASONS IS LIKE! TAKE A NOTE!

Love love LOVE the "irony is rich" comment JA threw in. HOW'S THEM APPLES, DEFENSE?

And keep making yourself cry Casey. It's not what you're wearing that makes people angry at you, it's what you were doing WHILE you were wearing what you were wearing (oh the irony that you picked a blue dress) when you KNOW that your daughter is lying in a swamp and rotting away. I hope you wake up in sweats in every night until and through the trial. YOU SHOULD BE SCARED!

rookie
05-11-2010, 01:03 PM
I don't think she's crying tears for anyone other than herself. It's a pity party.
She is angry and wants to stop the prosecution and the media from being allowed to talk about the bad things she has done. She feels they should be kept secret.

This is why she will never admit that she's done anything wrong.
She would chew her arm off before she would admit to wrong doing.

It's all about how people look at that whole family.
They can't look bad to others.

And looking at her fingers- she's just checking to see if she has smeared any mascara.
It's always about image.
That's ALL that matters.

Dear Prudence
05-11-2010, 01:03 PM
I must say that I didn't like JA saying that because he was stooping to a level that we have found childish.

I didn't find it childish, I found it rich.

logicalgirl
05-11-2010, 01:04 PM
the ray gun is already loaded and 1 day To's for every Bozo post.

not trying to be a smart alec but are you talking about the word Bozo?

Snaz
05-11-2010, 01:05 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it was odd that JB had an iPad in the courtroom today and had it set up in front of KC?

I really can't fathom how that's allowed.

I believe I saw a computer screen at both the defense and prosecution tables, and one at the podium, too.

LiveLaughLuv
05-11-2010, 01:05 PM
I didn't find the remark itself 'childish' at all. In fact, I found it spot on.

The only thing JA did wrong in my opinion, is when he looked at the defense table when he said it. He set himself up for AL to call him out on it, which she did. He should have just kept on looking at the podium. Everyone in the courtroom knew exactly where that pointed barb was aimed.

I don't think it was wrong, I think it was right on..

For right before that, ALyon said she didn't understand what the mitigating factors were in going for a DP sentence..so how could the defense place blame on RKronk as the SOD who dumped Caylee's remains and yet now know what the aggravating factors were...I do think it was appropriate and if it weren't JPerry would have said so to JA...I love JA's fight for Caylee's Justice..


Justice for Caylee

Snaz
05-11-2010, 01:06 PM
I think it is possible that KC has been counseled to show emotion whenever "her child" is mentioned....