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Cubby
05-12-2010, 12:28 AM
Please continue here.

part 1:

Found Deceased UT - 4 yr. old Ethan Stacy missing from Layton since 5/10/10 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the new thread, Cubby.

Praying for Ethan and his biological father. :rose:

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 12:41 AM
Press Conference

http://www.fox13now.com/videobeta/?watchId=be8cea00-3e6c-4099-aaa7-870b0eea8851

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 12:46 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/media/photo/2010-05/53714990.jpg

Nathanael Warren Sloop
3/13/2003 Poss W/intent To Manufct/produce C/s Guilty

Nathanael Warren Sloop
6/12/2001 Disorderly Conduct {Guilty Plea}

Nathanael Warren Sloop
6/12/2001 Fail To Obey Peace Officer {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Sloop
5/19/2000 Criminal Mischief {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Sloop
5/19/2000 Disorde[/B]rly Conduct {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Warren Sloop
7/21/2003 Illegal Poss/use Of Controlled Substance Guilty

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-photo-sloop-charged-ethan-murder,0,1894117.photo

http://www.utahsright.com/charges.php?first=&last=sloop&search=1

jnTexas
05-12-2010, 12:49 AM
vinelink.com shows the mom is in custody in davis co. I was hoping to get a madien name but it just shows her middle name,and age of 27. nothing showing up on davis co website yet.

missingsomeone
05-12-2010, 12:53 AM
Im severely disturbed that he was taken off of this earth in such a evil way. Ethan I love you lil buddy. Info on Stephanie common drug usage, was on facebook blonde hair stripper looks!! wonder why?! , doing anything it takes to put money in her pocket. Nathan sloop also has a child hopefully she is with her mother in florida. Stephanie def drug usage hasnt been with Nathan long basically ruined her marriage to be with him. white trash type personality. I have the right to form my opinion on her, After this happened I wouldnt put anything past and say she was very responsible in the death. They both deserve the death that they have shared with lil ethan. RIP Ethan you will never be forgotten. Im very glad I ran across this website and after looking thru the forum I cant believe the things that Im reading on here. It almost make my heart so cold and angry to believe what people are capable of. Unfit parents should never have kids!, let there children go or hurt them I have now learned the true beauty of children and I have no kids. Please pray these monsters pay for there mistakes and pray for the family. If this post is to much someone tell me and I will remove it but I have to vent somewhere. The father of Ethan is a good hard working man than loves his kids more than anything.

truthsleuth
05-12-2010, 12:54 AM
Rest in peace, dear Ethan. You deserved so much more.

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 12:55 AM
http://uol.sltrib.com/tribphoto/photos/2010/missing_boy_utah_la1071_0511.jpg http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID32312/images/Ethan_Stacy.jpg

Ethan Stacy, a 4-year-old boy, was reported missing late Monday night. By Tuesday afternoon, though, his body had been found near Powder Mountain Ski Resort. Police say his mother and stepfather will face charges

http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/Gallery.asp?ID=360131&PubDate=2010-05-11&GID=MISSI%5F05112010

missingsomeone
05-12-2010, 12:56 AM
maiden name stacy not sure maiden before that.

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 01:00 AM
maiden name stacy not sure maiden before that.

Do you know the family? Do you have the link to Stephanie's Facebook?

Vegas Bride
05-12-2010, 01:01 AM
missingsomeone, do you know if she has any other children? You mentioned his father having children.

Welcome by the way!!!

VB

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:03 AM
vinelink.com shows the mom is in custody in davis co. I was hoping to get a madien name but it just shows her middle name,and age of 27. nothing showing up on davis co website yet.

Why can't we find a pic of that monster.

nitasch
05-12-2010, 01:06 AM
I have not posted today, due to my overwhelming sadness on this case. The apartments he lived at last seen is four miles give or take from my home. When I first heard of him missing this AM, I dropped my youngest (11) off at school, then headed southwest toward the location of the apts. where he disappeared from (13 year old attends school not far from there)

I had hope this little man really did wander off, based on other missing (wandering) cases here historically...I thought maybe he had traveled a little further than anticipated (hopefully) and was hiding in a field (still some left in that area) or on the roadside.... little kids tend to hide when they have wandered and think they are in trouble.

Being a mother of 6 and now a grandmommy of 1 beautiful 6 month old boy), I always hold out on suspecting the parents of missing children as the culprits (think of Elizabeth Smart) mostly because I cannot get my brain wrapped around an adult hurting, a child.

I run three businesses so I could not stay out long, as the day went on, I snapped to reality and re-read the mother's claim...and 2+2 just did not =4.

Still, I held out that he was hiding or wandering till the police moved to Powder Mountain area....no child can travel that far without being seen / discovered / rescued.

At this point....I just don't know what to think of people.

I am devastated for this little man..and I never met / hugged him. I am beyond sadness for his family that cared for and protected him. I guess I am beyond belief that this would happen so close, and there was nothing anyone could do to save this little soul from the monster that took his life.

I will put this out there....anyone within 1000 miles of me (anywhere for that matter), feels they cannot cope with a little person...bring them to me!!!!! STOP for a second with the anger, the rage, what the h3ll ever is the problem that makes one want to cause harm...and think. I will make sure, for the rest of my life, they are safe.
No posting member would be capable of doing such a thing I hope, but there are lots of guests...sign up, PM me...I am serious with this offer. This does not need to happen!

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 01:27 AM
Who are the parents charged with killing their 4 year old son?
Last Update: 5/11 11:15 pm

LAYTON, Utah (ABC 4 News) - Police say 31 year old Nathan Sloop has been in and out of jail mainly for drug related convictions. Stephanie Sloop has no criminal history that police are aware of.
The Sloops moved into the Layton apartment building two weeks ago. They were married last Thursday, just days after Stephanie's son Ethan Stacy moved in with them for the summer.
Neighbors are saddened to hear about Ethan's murder.
"It's amazing how something like that could happen, and no one around here knew anything that was going on," says Gary McPhie, a neighbor.
McPhie says he saw Ethan a couple of times with his mother.
"He was quiet. You had to talk to him. He wouldn't talk to you," says McPhie.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Who-are-the-parents-charged-with-killing-their-4/6Wi0Q9xJ4k2ArjyYyTjwLA.cspx

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 01:29 AM
http://www.fox13now.com/media/photo/2010-05/53714990.jpg

Nathanael Warren Sloop
3/13/2003 Poss W/intent To Manufct/produce C/s Guilty

Nathanael Warren Sloop
6/12/2001 Disorderly Conduct {Guilty Plea}

Nathanael Warren Sloop
6/12/2001 Fail To Obey Peace Officer {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Sloop
5/19/2000 Criminal Mischief {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Sloop
5/19/2000 Disorde[/B]rly Conduct {Guilty Plea}

Nathaniel Warren Sloop
7/21/2003 Illegal Poss/use Of Controlled Substance Guilty

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-photo-sloop-charged-ethan-murder,0,1894117.photo

http://www.utahsright.com/charges.php?first=&last=sloop&search=1

Have LE alluded as to why this child was taken so senselessly? I see he has a criminal hx of manufacturing and poss/use of controlled substance. Were they doing drugs and thought murdering a child would be fun? What on earth caused this senseless loss of a beautiful life? moo

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:30 AM
http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2993830.jpg
Apartment Complex

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995027.jpg

An officer carries shovels.

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995182.jpg

Officers search

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995062.jpg


http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995142.jpg

Sheriff talks with the media.

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995137.jpg

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995157.jpg

Evidence is carried by officers down the Wolf Canyon Trail.

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995164.jpg

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2995147.jpg


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031409/Parents-killed-4-year-old-Layton-boy-police-say.html?pg=2

missingsomeone
05-12-2010, 01:38 AM
Dairygirl no link to face book, she was on there end of last year the last i seen. Look for locations florida,vegas,utah i guess. No other children by her possibly one in the oven.

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 01:38 AM
Ruby - thanks so much for the fantastic pictures! I find it heartbreaking to see LE carrying this child through such dense woods. Can you imagine how horrible it is for them to find a child's body? Can't imagine the sadness they feel and the absolute disgust for the perp(s). They have been absolutely professional and determined to find this child and make charges. LE need to be proud of themselves. moo

jnTexas
05-12-2010, 01:46 AM
Dairygirl no link to face book, she was on there end of last year the last i seen. Look for locations florida,vegas,utah i guess. No other children by her possibly one in the oven.

do you know if she modeled in florida? i found a model website with a Stephanie Stacy. I didn't link because I'm not sure it is her.

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:55 AM
Dairygirl no link to face book, she was on there end of last year the last i seen. Look for locations florida,vegas,utah i guess. No other children by her possibly one in the oven.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegas Bride
http://www1.macys.com/registry/weddi...istryId=103878

This is their bridal registry at Macy's

It has a date of July 4th for their wedding.

VB

(Posted by Calliope on previous thread)

How much you wanna bet SS is pregnant?

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Calliope you may be right!!

mahoneys07
05-12-2010, 02:06 AM
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/regGiftRegistry.asp?order_num=-1&wrn=%2D146543725&
Another registry

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 02:22 AM
do you know if she modeled in florida? i found a model website with a Stephanie Stacy. I didn't link because I'm not sure it is her.

I saw the model site also, there is also a SS out of W. Virginia. Wonder why no pic of her yet?

mahoneys07
05-12-2010, 02:49 AM
Moms middle name is Cristina I also found Bio dad...I am not all sure what I can post...I havent found anything shocking or anything yet still looking though. Can someone advise me on posting veromi and pipl?

ETA I am finding her middle name as Christine as well. Also if u look up Layton Itah topix theres a thread there as well ...someone mentioned NS taught a class on life insurance?

Kat
05-12-2010, 02:56 AM
I'm sorry mahoney I don't understand what exactly you want to post about Ethan's mother?

As for his Father, I think it is more than likely best to respect his privacy at this moment. KWIM?

I don't see a mod watching this thread so I responded.

mahoneys07
05-12-2010, 03:00 AM
Thanks...if I post her info I have it shows bio dad. I will keep it put away for now

Kat
05-12-2010, 03:03 AM
Thanks...if I post her info I have it shows bio dad. I will keep it put away for now

You can type in her information in your post. Just notate which website where you found it. Vermoni...etc. Same goes for her Husband charged with Murder.

Most posters here are familiar with those websites. If they want to look for themselves they will find it too :)

I'm going to bed. Have a good night, and prayers for Ethan. Poor baby.

BeanE
05-12-2010, 06:34 AM
I'm just going through the news like I do every morning when I wake up. Here's the latest article about precious little Ethan.

Stepfather charged in death of Ethan Stacy
Last Edit: May 12 2010 - 12:00am

Atkin said he didn't know how long the boy had been buried in the wooded area. His office is waiting for the state medical examiner's report on what caused Ethan's death.

Asked the condition of the body, Atkin said, "I'd rather not go into the details."

Ethan's biological father, who lives in Virginia, has been notified of the boy's death, Atkin said.

snip

The Sloops became "persons of interest in the case" after their stories kept changing, Atkin said.

"It was obvious they were trying to cover up their tracks," Atkin said.

snip

Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings said Tuesday evening he had not reviewed the evidence or the facts of the case so he could not comment on the exact charges his office will file against the two.

Charges could be filed as early as today, and the Sloops could be in court this afternoon for their first hearings.

snip

Atkin said there were no other children in the apartment, where the family had just recently moved.

snip

Atkin said the terrain in the canyon and the weather made it difficult for investigators to process the burial site.

Atkin said he did not know where the boy died.

snip

"We're searching for evidence at this time," Howell said. "Our people will be here for as long as it takes."

http://www.standard.net/topics/search-and-rescue/2010/05/11/stepfather-charged-death-ethan-stacy

BeanE
05-12-2010, 06:35 AM
Many thanks to LE for your dedication and hard work to find little Ethan. Thank you for caring so much about him.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 06:55 AM
Have LE alluded as to why this child was taken so senselessly? I see he has a criminal hx of manufacturing and poss/use of controlled substance. Were they doing drugs and thought murdering a child would be fun? What on earth caused this senseless loss of a beautiful life? moo

He was killed because NS and SS are worthless cowardly POS punk-bastards. JMO of course.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 06:57 AM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - 4 yr. old Ethan Stacy missing from Layton since 5/10/10 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5176020&postcount=480)


Calliope you may be right!!

I pray I'm wrong.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 07:52 AM
http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=15060682&PageIndex=11

Comment by "mommy#2: 5/12/2010 12:25:00 AM"

Her kids are Ethan's step-siblings through his father. Says SS abandoned her ex (Ethan's father) in Sept '09 for that POS NS, and their divorce was final 4/28.

BeanE
05-12-2010, 08:14 AM
http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=15060682&PageIndex=11

Comment by "mommy#2: 5/12/2010 12:25:00 AM"

Her kids are Ethan's step-siblings through his father. Says SS abandoned her ex (Ethan's father) in Sept '09 for that POS NS, and their divorce was final 4/28.

Oh dear God. I read the full comment. I'm already crying again for Ethan this morning :( But that's okay. We need to grieve for these poor babies. We need to feel the pain. It's what spurs us to change it, stop it.

Thank you for giving all the info that made the comment very easy to find, Calliope.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:29 AM
FWIW: Other comments by 2ndamendfan (starting 3:34pm - Tue May 11th, 2010). Earlier had claimed to know someone involved in the investigation who was called in early in the morning (which coincides with what was said in the press conference). I won't repeat what this person posted at the above time; as an anonymous post, I take it with a grain of salt for now, but if true it's simply horrifying. He also posts (and someone else agrees) that he died the day before he was reported missing by SS.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10728945&comments=true

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:48 AM
Oh dear God. I read the full comment. I'm already crying again for Ethan this morning :( But that's okay. We need to grieve for these poor babies. We need to feel the pain. It's what spurs us to change it, stop it.

Thank you for giving all the info that made the comment very easy to find, Calliope.

There's been a lot of speculation that "the courts" forced his father to send Ethan to SS for visitation. That may or may not be true, but this comment (if legitimate) makes me think his Dad did so on his own, rather than on an order from the court. Perhaps little Ethan missed her and he thought it would be good for him to go visit her, or maybe the courts did order visitation and his father had no reason to believe Ethan would be in danger. I'm sure the little guy missed her and was hurt and confused as to why she'd abandon him like that. Either way, I can't begin to imagine the pain and guilt his father must be feeling right now.

Simply Caustic
05-12-2010, 09:25 AM
Oh dear God. I read the full comment. I'm already crying again for Ethan this morning :( But that's okay. We need to grieve for these poor babies. We need to feel the pain. It's what spurs us to change it, stop it.

Thank you for giving all the info that made the comment very easy to find, Calliope.


I'm with ya, BeanE. Literally wiping away tears...it was just a few lines at the bottom, that 'Mommy #2' wrote: Simple, and painfully, heart-wrenchingly touching. I thank God that Ethan had her in his life, as the Mommy to a 4 year old boy myself, I'm crushed (and here I thought I was getting jaded, immune to the touching stories). I'm going to hold onto that little sliver of comfort, that he had a Daddy and Mommy #2, along with siblings, who loved him dearly, who wanted him, who 'man'd up' when biomom left and did what they had to do, to make it work.

I can't fathom how his Dad's feeling right now. I'm sure the 'coulda should woulda' and guilt is crippling at this point: But IMO, no indicators have popped up that biomom was in any way, shape, or form, a known risk. No criminal record, no history of violence/child abuse, etc Not that I would EVER judge a parent in this type of tragedy, but we've all seen instances of kids being sent to a parent who, arguably, shouldn't have any type of custody (past severe legal issues, violence, drug abuse, etc.) Tragically, it seems here that Dad was giving Ethan and his Mom a chance to reeconnect after an eight-month (per Topix post) seperation after Mom's abandonment, and was utterly blindsided by this. It's devastating.
WHY take him for the summer if you didn't want him, Biomom? WHY lie and cover for your murdering monstrosity of a husband?
No matter what 'tale of woe' you tell, no matter what b.s. you come up with now that you two are caught....I hope you are haunted by this until your last breath.

darlin gal
05-12-2010, 09:34 AM
Here are the monster's mugshots

http://i42.tinypic.com/14t3n1v.jpg

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 09:37 AM
He was killed because NS and SS are worthless cowardly POS punk-bastards. JMO of course.

Trying to understand why our children our senselessly murdered just might prevent a future child from a short life. My nature is to try and find the cause for such an act - if drugs were involved, we need to know what ones. IMO knowledge is power!!! Knowledge can be turned into prevention. !!! moo

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:42 AM
Wow, mom doesn't seem bothered by it all. That could be mistaken for a DL pic.

~greeneyedgirl~
05-12-2010, 09:45 AM
The only comfort I get from cases like Ethans is that my Mum has passed and she is waiting with open arms for these little ones in Heaven .....

She is the best grama and was everyones Auntie...

Play free little buddy....

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:53 AM
Here are the monster's mugshots

http://i42.tinypic.com/14t3n1v.jpg

Someone mentioned the model shots of a "stephanie stacy" from FL. I swear they look like the same person...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/6443431

that was uploaded 2 years ago. No makeup in the mugshot of course, but facial features look identical to me, perhaps a bit thinner now.

jnTexas
05-12-2010, 09:59 AM
Someone mentioned the model shots of a "stephanie stacy" from FL. I swear they look like the same person...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/6443431

that was uploaded 2 years ago. No makeup in the mugshot of course, but facial features look identical to me, perhaps a bit thinner now.

Yep I think it looks like her too.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:00 AM
Trying to understand why our children our senselessly murdered just might prevent a future child from a short life. My nature is to try and find the cause for such an act - if drugs were involved, we need to know what ones. IMO knowledge is power!!! Knowledge can be turned into prevention. !!! moo

I understand. I'm just so ticked off about this whole thing I can't think of anything else. I was even angrier hearing the news reporter say "We don't know the motive"

Motive? For murdering a precious 4 year old child??? What possible "motive" could there be?

Sorry. I get worked up just thinking about it.

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 10:00 AM
I hope to hello she is charged with homicide just the same ! They look like real "winners" eh..... What a bleepin Biotch! I myself would like about ten mins with her PLEASE !

jnTexas
05-12-2010, 10:00 AM
Here are the monster's mugshots

http://i42.tinypic.com/14t3n1v.jpg

WOW monsters come is all shapes and sizes.

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 10:02 AM
Someone mentioned the model shots of a "stephanie stacy" from FL. I swear they look like the same person...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/6443431

that was uploaded 2 years ago. No makeup in the mugshot of course, but facial features look identical to me, perhaps a bit thinner now.

I looked at that link lastnight, I believe it is her as well. Looks like she may have gotten into drugs since those pics were taken...moo

WaitOneMinute
05-12-2010, 10:02 AM
Someone mentioned the model shots of a "stephanie stacy" from FL. I swear they look like the same person...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/6443431

that was uploaded 2 years ago. No makeup in the mugshot of course, but facial features look identical to me, perhaps a bit thinner now.

Looks the same to me too.

lillygator
05-12-2010, 10:04 AM
this is so sad.

The comment pages aren't loading for me, what is going on over there?

angiejean
05-12-2010, 10:05 AM
I hope to hello she is charged with homicide just the same ! They look like real "winners" eh..... What a bleepin Biotch! I myself would like about ten mins with her PLEASE !

Yep...I totally agree...she is just as accountable! Her job was to protect that precious little boy! (jmo) Have to send LE prayers this morning, that must have been so difficult for them yesterday and there is still a long road ahead for them. RIP little Ethan, your smile will stay in my heart forever.

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 10:06 AM
If anyone comes across what may be behind this senseless and brutal murder, would you please post. Unless it's drugs, I can't find anything that would have predicted this type of slaughter - and that's really scary. TIA

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 10:09 AM
Stepfather, mother charged in 4-year-old boy's murder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51HzjplYdYc

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:13 AM
The only comfort I get from cases like Ethans is that my Mum has passed and she is waiting with open arms for these little ones in Heaven .....

She is the best grama and was everyones Auntie...

Play free little buddy....

:(

Sounds like my Mom too. Little ones just loved her.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:22 AM
I looked at that link lastnight, I believe it is her as well. Looks like she may have gotten into drugs since those pics were taken...moo

Wouldn't be surprised, especially considering NS's background. I suspect those photos on that site were taken some time ago, maybe late teens, early 20's; she looks much younger IMO. I still think it's her; the height matches and the facial features are identical.

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 10:23 AM
Stepfather, mother charged in 4-year-old boy's murder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51HzjplYdYc

Thanks mystic - I am so impressed with the LE involved in this case - professional and determined. Nice for a change.

The video is well put together. I'm glad people are asking 'why' because this sure is a senseless loss of a beautiful child. moo

grayjay
05-12-2010, 10:26 AM
First off, :cow:

My experience with a sadistic cruel stepfather is that it's all about power. A four-year old boy is at a critical point for his own sense of power, and my guess is the SF hurt the boy, watched him fight for his dignity and then "cry like a girl." He escalated it, always needing to be the winner, the man, getting respect. He never grew up, and is a match emotionally with the 4-yo.

The more the boy resents it and reacts, the more he's put in his place. Drugs would just make this dynamic all the more intense. If mom must choose between boy and husband, she is put in a hard place. She failed the test and her life is ruined. I'm all for that happening.

:cow:

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:28 AM
WOW monsters come is all shapes and sizes.

POS doesn't look like such a tough guy now, eh?

Can't wait for him to be tossed in with the general population.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:34 AM
First off, :cow:

My experience with a sadistic cruel stepfather is that it's all about power. A four-year old boy is at a critical point for his own sense of power, and my guess is the SF hurt the boy, watched him fight for his dignity and then "cry like a girl." He escalated it, always needing to be the winner, the man, getting respect. He never grew up, and is a match emotionally with the 4-yo.

The more the boy resents it and reacts, the more he's put in his place. Drugs would just make this dynamic all the more intense. If mom must choose between boy and husband, she is put in a hard place. She failed the test and her life is ruined. I'm all for that happening.

:cow:

I understand what you're saying here and I agree except for a mother being put in a hard place choosing between her child and anyone else. That's a no-brainer--- for those of us who aren't inhuman monsters like these two, that is :furious:

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:45 AM
Utah statute for "Aggravated Murder"

http://law.justia.com/utah/codes/title76/76_05028.html

What sections I believe may apply here:

(1) Criminal homicide constitutes aggravated murder if the actor intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another under any of the following circumstances:

(d) the homicide was committed incident to an act, scheme, course of conduct, or criminal episode during which the actor committed or attempted to commit aggravated robbery, robbery, rape, rape of a child, object rape, object rape of a child, forcible sodomy, sodomy upon a child, forcible sexual abuse, sexual abuse of a child, aggravated sexual abuse of a child, child abuse as defined in Subsection 76-5-109(2)(a), or aggravated sexual assault, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated burglary, burglary, aggravated kidnapping, kidnapping, or child kidnapping;

(e) the homicide was committed incident to one act, scheme, course of conduct, or criminal episode during which the actor committed the crime of abuse or desecration of a dead human body as defined in Subsection 76-9-704(2)(e);

(p) the homicide was committed by means of the administration of a poison or of any lethal substance or of any substance administered in a lethal amount, dosage, or quantity;

(r) the homicide was committed in an especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved manner, any of which must be demonstrated by physical torture, serious physical abuse, or serious bodily injury of the victim before death; or

(s) the actor dismembers, mutilates, or disfigures the victim's body, whether before or after death, in a manner demonstrating the actor's depravity of mind.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 10:50 AM
BTW, the above reference to Child Abuse as defined in 76-5-109 (2)(a) :

(2) Any person who inflicts upon a child serious physical injury or, having the care or custody of such child, causes or permits another to inflict serious physical injury upon a child is guilty of an offense as follows:
(a) if done intentionally or knowingly, the offense is a felony of the second degree;

Meaning the police know this was not an accident.

grayjay
05-12-2010, 10:54 AM
I understand what you're saying here and I agree except for a mother being put in a hard place choosing between her child and anyone else. That's a no-brainer--- for those of us who aren't inhuman monsters like these two, that is :furious:
BBM - I'd like to say much more about this situation from my own experience, but it hits way too close to home for me to expand on it. You're right. Broken people = inhuman monsters.

passionflower
05-12-2010, 10:56 AM
He was only with his momster for 10 days..........for a summer vacation...............
how sad!
Momster is as guilty as step monsterIMO.
She chose this monster over her angel child!!!
and the couple only married a month????
Heartfelt sympathy goes out to his dad & family.

ckwood32
05-12-2010, 11:03 AM
I log in and see deceased by this poor little guys name. RIP Ethan. This is so sad. I pray those two monsters burn.

Valleyboy
05-12-2010, 11:12 AM
It's too bad they have got rid of the firing squad executions in Utah because
these 2 sure deserve it.

RIP Ethan.

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 11:14 AM
There sure are a lot of Stephanie Stacy's on MS...I found one from Fl who is 27 and she looked similar but last log-in was yesterday? Is this the one? Not much other info there, except she said she was single...not sure if this is her. Did anyone find a link to the right one?
In one article LE said they did not feel this was premediated which to me sounds like abuse or punishment that went too far...and as far as aggravating someone here said that burial of a body could bring about those charges...so I guess we will have to wait and see...it does not sound, as of now, that LE feels the mother actually took part in the fatal event...but did in the cover-up obviously. Very confusing as to why charges would be different for her...

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 11:45 AM
It's too bad they have got rid of the firing squad executions in Utah because
these 2 sure deserve it.

RIP Ethan.

I'm pretty sure they didn't get rid of it. Isn't there someone on death row who is set to be executed via firing squad in a few months?

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 11:49 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but it appears the "monsters" led police to the crime scene.

After searching all morning long, police interviewed the Sloops again. That's when they revealed where Ethan might be: Ogden Canyon, near Wolf Canyon Trail.

"They took them to the site of the, the burial site," Atkin said. "The crime scene … due to the weather, Powder Mountain received a lot of snow -- the crime scene was just difficult to process."

Detectives gathered evidence at several sites about 100 yards off the trailhead, in an area described as rugged, muddy and wet.

Police are still not sure how long Ethan's body had been buried. They say he was killed sometime in the last 10 days since he moved here to stay with his mom for the summer.

Police say Nathan Sloop is currently on probation but didn't elaborate further.

Snipped from http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10728945

Valleyboy
05-12-2010, 11:51 AM
I'm pretty sure they didn't get rid of it. Isn't there someone on death row who is set to be executed via firing squad in a few months?


There is a person that is scheduled to be executed by firing squad in June but the choice of firing squad instead of lethal injection is only available to people convicted prior to 2004

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 11:55 AM
There is a person that is scheduled to be executed by firing squad in June but the choice of firing squad instead of lethal injection is only available to people convicted prior to 2004

Yeah, you're right. I realized that after I posted it. Thanks!

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 11:58 AM
He was only with his momster for 10 days..........for a summer vacation...............
how sad!
Momster is as guilty as step monsterIMO.
She chose this monster over her angel child!!!
and the couple only married a month????
Heartfelt sympathy goes out to his dad & family.
bbm

The Sloops moved into the Layton apartment building two weeks ago. They were married last Thursday, just days after Stephanie's son Ethan Stacy moved in with them for the summer.



http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Who-are-the-parents-charged-with-killing-their-4/6Wi0Q9xJ4k2ArjyYyTjwLA.cspx

BeanE
05-12-2010, 12:05 PM
Is there a candle lighting site for Ethan?

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 12:13 PM
Is there a candle lighting site for Ethan?

I haven't found one. I'll start one though, if someone tells me how lol.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 12:30 PM
I haven't found one. I'll start one though, if someone tells me how lol.

I started a group for little Ethan.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS-ES

ThePhantom
05-12-2010, 12:31 PM
Popsicles, the swimming pool,
Fourth of July, lightening bugs
getting ready for big kids' school
excited eyes, birthday hugs

Running free in summer time
beneath the shining, happy sun
watching puffy clouds roll by
making friends, having fun

All these things you were denied
your innocent soul crushed by sin
the angels heard you when you cried
and took you home to heavenly kin

Now you live far from fear
with joy and love in God's embrace
never again to shed a tear
upon your beautiful angel face

For precious Ethan, rest in peace with our Lord, little one

Calliope
05-12-2010, 12:34 PM
Oh, Phantom....


:(

ThePhantom
05-12-2010, 12:34 PM
I just can't stand it...........

Calliope
05-12-2010, 12:43 PM
I just can't stand it...........

I know...

I'm watching the clock for when my little guy gets home with his mom. I'm going to take him out *somewhere*. Not sure yet where we'll go or what we'll do but it doesn't really matter to him. He takes such pleasure in every little thing and everything is an adventure. He's my buddy :)

angiejean
05-12-2010, 12:54 PM
Phantom that was beautiful. (tears are flowing) It is so very difficult. I have a 4 yr old in my life and when I look at him I see straight to the joy in his heart. They are so innocent....

RoseWhite
05-12-2010, 12:55 PM
I know...

I'm watching the clock for when my little guy gets home with his mom. I'm going to take him out *somewhere*. Not sure yet where we'll go or what we'll do but it doesn't really matter to him. He takes such pleasure in every little thing and everything is an adventure. He's my buddy :)

That's awesome, Calliope. Thanks for making me smile. And also, your avatar pic makes me grin a lot.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 01:11 PM
That's awesome, Calliope. Thanks for making me smile. And also, your avatar pic makes me grin a lot.

Aw.

He makes me smile :)

This morning I was reading what was posted overnight about Ethan, and when our guy woke up I just grabbed him and held him tight. He hugged on me for a bit, then squirmed away "Neema, I'm gonna be late for school!!!" and buzzed out the door (literally... he was wearing his striped shirt and pretending to be a bee "with a sharp butt" lol)

God I love that little boy... I look at these kids on here and wonder what sort of monsters could even think about hurting them :furious:

BeanE
05-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Two handy links for Ethan Stacy news:

http://interceder.net/news/ethan-stacy

http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com?date=2010-05-06&zoom=0&subs=anews.%22ethan+stacy%22%2Canews

Calliope
05-12-2010, 01:17 PM
Two handy links for Ethan Stacy news:

http://interceder.net/news/ethan-stacy

http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com?date=2010-05-06&zoom=0&subs=anews.%22ethan+stacy%22%2Canews

From the first story in the first link:

Police say it was at the hands of his stepfather, with the help of his mother.

:furious:

Texas Mist
05-12-2010, 01:24 PM
From the first story in the first link:



:furious:

"with the help of his mother"

I just get sick, literally nauseous, reading it.

Poor Ethan. :(

Jon
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Davis County Jail records Wednesday showed an additional arresting charge for investigation of damaging a jail added to his booking sheet.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html?s_cid=rss-30

What a loser.

RoseWhite
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
"with the help of his mother"

I just get sick, literally nauseous, reading it.

Poor Ethan. :(

Absolutely horrifying. :(

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:39 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some.
Since we have been together we have never spent one day away from each other
I Would Do Anything for her. Fight for Her. Kill for Her.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

Thanks for the article Jon and welcome. Now I think I want to puke after reading that.:sick:

'Ailina
05-12-2010, 01:40 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

From the link Jon supplied...

Written by NS:

I have known Stephanie since I was 15 yeras old. However all throughout highschool her and I never dated, but knew all about each other. Then Just a few years ago as I was going through the deepest, darkest part of my life dealing with My child being kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce, I began receiving these encouraging emails that had impeccable timing. That was My Steph sending me an encouraging word just when I was at my lowest.

Is it just me, or is this a red flag?

Written by SS:

Nathan changed me, though many think that's not possible. Nathan made me realize that for years I was writing checks my ego couldn't cash. We all have egos, some under control, some aren't. Though mine wasn't completely out of whack, it did need adjustments.

Maybe I'm biased (past personal experience), but this sounds like NS was "humbling" SS, which could be abuse, oppression, and control. NOTE: I'm NOT implying SS is justified in any shape, form, or fashion for doing violence against this innocent little boy! Simply exploring the dysfunctional dynamic of NS & SS's relationship.

And reading their wedding page makes me ill, ill, ILL.

'Ailina
05-12-2010, 01:43 PM
http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

"...She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some...."

Sounds like SS wasn't the only one who needed an ego check. Good grief!!

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 01:46 PM
The doctor came out after my surgery and said if I had waited another 12 hours, I wouldnt have been alive.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

Too bad you didn't wait another 12 hours.

Jon
05-12-2010, 01:47 PM
Other passages that jumped out at me:

NS: [I]nstead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it. She doesnt try and provoke me to protect her but rather she Loves me in ways I couldnt even ask her to do.

SS: I couldn't be happier with a better man. Someone else's garbage is now my treasure.

SS: In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side.

SS: Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life. You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me.

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 01:50 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

I see this is your first post Jon, welcome to Wesleuths, thank you for joining us.

I simply can't believe the people in this wedding story are the same two we are reading about. I am stunned!

BeanE
05-12-2010, 01:50 PM
I started a group for little Ethan.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS-ES

Thank you so much for creating this for Ethan, Calliope.

mahoneys07
05-12-2010, 01:51 PM
I see this is your first post Jon, welcome to Wesleuths, thank you for joining us.

I simply can't believe the people in this wedding story are the same two we are reading about. I am stunned!

I am just SICK

Calliope
05-12-2010, 01:57 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some. She Cooks like a master Chef, loves the same kind of movies I do, and instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it.
So what happened, tough guy? Did little Ethan not "respect" your "bad-boy side"?

Fast thinking brain? Yeah, right. You're a real Einstein. Punk POS.


Since we have been together we have never spent one day away from each other. If I have it My way we never willl either!!

Oh well. Should have thought about that before you murdered a beautiful, innocent 4 year old boy. You cowardly worthless POS. But no worries. I'm sure you're gonna find a new "soul mate" soon enough. Bubba's just waitin' for you, little man.

Someone else's garbage is now my treasure.

Well, she got that right. He's certainly garbage.

angiejean
05-12-2010, 01:58 PM
Welcome Jon!

SS quote "In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side. "

"Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life. You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me. "

These are freaky statements. He saved her life and she comments that it didn't provoke his "bad side"?? Sounds to me like he had a pretty bad temper? And she's say's nothing about her son Ethan.

'Ailina
05-12-2010, 01:59 PM
Other passages that jumped out at me:

NS: "...Instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it. She doesnt try and provoke me to protect her but rather she Loves me in ways I couldnt even ask her to do."

There are one too many instances of the word "provoke" in this sentence. "Provoke" = word abusers use a lot.

SS: "I couldn't be happier with a better man. Someone else's garbage is now my treasure."

TRANSLATION: "I can't get a better man. I don't deserve a better man. I can be happy with trash."

SS: "In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side."

Uhh...why is she even REFERENCING his bad side? (And using the word "provoke," too.) Essentially, this is saying "A bad side of him does exist. My life has been in danger as a result of provoking his bad side, but he was so gracious to 'save' it."

BeanE
05-12-2010, 02:03 PM
Formal charges in boy's death expected Friday
May 12th, 2010 @ 11:35am

KSL News spoke with the Davis County Attorney's Office Wednesday morning, and they say that those charges won't be filed until Friday at the earliest.

Troy Rawlings, lead prosecutor for the Davis County Attorney's Office, tells us prosecutors are waiting to receive all the evidence collected in this case, including the autopsy report for Ethan, which was performed Wednesday morning.

Once that information is collected, prosecutors will decided on what formal charges will be filed against Nathan and Stephanie Sloop.

The Sloops are currently being held in the Davis County Jail on charges of felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse. Nathan is also being charged with aggravated homicide.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226

Calliope
05-12-2010, 02:03 PM
Other passages that jumped out at me:


In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side.

Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life. You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me.
Very telling.

"You can always have more children". I guess poor little Ethan was considered disposable to these POSs too.

oh, after looking at the pics on this site, I'm convinced that was her in the model photos.

'Ailina
05-12-2010, 02:04 PM
You know, I'm really thankful we have this bulk of personal writings from both of them. This is great evidence. AND it may be helpful to future cases. SOOO many red flags here. I wonder if any family/friends/readers picked up on this before the fact, if anyone ever tried to talk to the bio father about it. I wish someone had been vigilant for this poor little boy. :(

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 02:06 PM
I do not see any pics of Ethan on that page at all, even under the photo ones.

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 02:10 PM
Yikes, it is creepy reading that now...obviously these two had no room in their lives for anything but admiring one another and themselves...a child could never compete in this sick relationship...poor Ethan probably tried for attention...

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 02:10 PM
additional arresting charge for investigation of damaging a jail

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html?s_cid=rss-30

Sounds like he had a hissy fit when he was arrested.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 02:11 PM
There are one too many instances of the word "provoke" in this sentence. "Provoke" = word abusers use a lot.



TRANSLATION: "I can't get a better man. I don't deserve a better man. I can be happy with trash."



Uhh...why is she even REFERENCING his bad side? (And using the word "provoke," too.) Essentially, this is saying "A bad side of him does exist. My life has been in danger as a result of provoking his bad side, but he was so gracious to 'save' it."

Excellent point.

After reading this nauseating crap from these two arrogant self-absorbed asses, I believe they simply didn't want to be bothered with little Ethan. He probably "provoked" them just by being around :furious:

angiejean
05-12-2010, 02:11 PM
There are one too many instances of the word "provoke" in this sentence. "Provoke" = word abusers use a lot.



TRANSLATION: "I can't get a better man. I don't deserve a better man. I can be happy with trash."



Uhh...why is she even REFERENCING his bad side? (And using the word "provoke," too.) Essentially, this is saying "A bad side of him does exist. My life has been in danger as a result of provoking his bad side, but he was so gracious to 'save' it."

Exactly...Good point.

Instead of saying he saved my life and I am so greatful or happy or whatever...she is impliying that he saved her life and thank God it didn't piss him off! There are red flags all over the place here.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 02:15 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html?s_cid=rss-30

Sounds like he had a hissy fit when he was arrested.

Sounds like someone has a temper, huh? I guess the cops *provoked* his bad-boy side.

In that same article:

On their marriage certificate filed in early May in Davis County, her maiden name is listed as Stephanie Christina Croft Stacy. An Internet check of her background showed prior addresses in Las Vegas, Florida and Georgia. She does not have a criminal record in Utah.

She does now.

karma-girl
05-12-2010, 02:20 PM
Uhh...why is she even REFERENCING his bad side? (And using the word "provoke," too.) Essentially, this is saying "A bad side of him does exist. My life has been in danger as a result of provoking his bad side, but he was so gracious to 'save' it."

Respectfully snipped.......

I believe she was giving 'digs' at the ex's, possibly these were things previously said by their spouses and they were 'attempting' to kick it back in their face...notice how SS has the smiley wink at the end of her sentence...
moo

Calliope
05-12-2010, 02:21 PM
I do not see any pics of Ethan on that page at all, even under the photo ones.

No mention of him either.

ckwood32
05-12-2010, 02:23 PM
OMG!@!!! That wedding album. I'm floored! "You can always have more children........" Unfreaking believable! That's probably what they thought.......oh so what if he's dead - we can always replace him with another child! I can't believe the CARP I just read. Thank you Jon for posting that.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 02:24 PM
Exactly...Good point.

Instead of saying he saved my life and I am so greatful or happy or whatever...she is impliying that he saved her life and thank God it didn't piss him off! There are red flags all over the place here.

In case anyone begins to feel SS was a "victim" (and I'm not saying you do):


Police say it was at the hands of his stepfather, with the help of his mother.


:furious:

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 02:28 PM
why isn't she charged with murder then? this makes no sense at all...many times people sitting in cars outside when someone is killed inside are charged with murder...

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 02:40 PM
There are one too many instances of the word "provoke" in this sentence. "Provoke" = word abusers use a lot.



TRANSLATION: "I can't get a better man. I don't deserve a better man. I can be happy with trash."



Uhh...why is she even REFERENCING his bad side? (And using the word "provoke," too.) Essentially, this is saying "A bad side of him does exist. My life has been in danger as a result of provoking his bad side, but he was so gracious to 'save' it."

Exactly...Good point.

Instead of saying he saved my life and I am so greatful or happy or whatever...she is impliying that he saved her life and thank God it didn't piss him off! There are red flags all over the place here.

I have a hard time seeing the red flags that point toward him being a promising child murderer. She seems to be attracted to that 'bad boy' side as so many women are. I'm not sure how much a person is supposed to do so he/she doesn't end up with the wrong person. A background check doesn't show child predator activities nor, IMO any criminal conduct indicating that he is a murderer. Her record is clean. And yet, they both end up being charged in the murder of her son. moo
I'll ask again: What happened that resulted in such a tragic, and senseless loss of a child's life?

SleuthyMama
05-12-2010, 02:41 PM
It's so bizarre to read that Knot wedding page and then have to reconcile it with the fact that these two are responsible for the death of adorable little Ethan.

Just so frightening when you realize how close we literally walk to monsters on a daily basis. We just have no idea what goes on in other people's minds and lives.

angiejean
05-12-2010, 02:48 PM
[QUOTE=Calliope;5177977]In case anyone begins to feel SS was a "victim" (and I'm not saying you do):


I don't... not one single bit! My thoughts were...from what she wrote, to me it sounds like SS knew exactly WHO she was getting married to.

And if she was in a abusive relationship with this guy, she still had the responsibility to protect her son. She is 100 percent equally accountable for the role she played in the horrible way Ethan died. (moo)

(btw..trying to type thoughts lighting fast to keep up with you all on this board...sorry I wasn't clear :crazy:)

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 02:50 PM
It's so bizarre to read that Knot wedding page and then have to reconcile it with the fact that these two are responsible for the death of adorable little Ethan.

Just so frightening when you realize how close we literally walk to monsters on a daily basis. We just have no idea what goes on in other people's minds and lives.
bbm

I was thinking something similar when I saw the photo of her holding another little boy.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111243

BeanE
05-12-2010, 02:51 PM
why isn't she charged with murder then? this makes no sense at all...many times people sitting in cars outside when someone is killed inside are charged with murder...

They haven't gotten their formal charges yet. The DA is still considering them. Supposed to come by Friday.

The Davis County Attorney's Office said it will hold a press conference Friday morning to announce formal charges against a couple accused of murdering their 4-year-old child and dumping his body in a remote area in Ogden Canyon.

Lead prosecutor Troy Rawlings said his office was still waiting Wednesday for the Utah State Medical Examiner's autopsy report on Ethan Stacy, as well as compiling additional evidence from Layton police.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-mulled-in-boys-murder-case.html

Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings
Email: troy@co.davis.ut.us

ETA: It has never bothered me to email officials, even if I don't live in the county or state. I just figure they want to know how the public at large feels about a case, a perpetrator, or a victim :)

angiejean
05-12-2010, 03:02 PM
[quote=angiejean;5177903]

I have a hard time seeing the red flags that point toward him being a promising child murderer. She seems to be attracted to that 'bad boy' side as so many women are. I'm not sure how much a person is supposed to do so he/she doesn't end up with the wrong person. A background check doesn't show child predator activities nor, IMO any criminal conduct indicating that he is a murderer. Her record is clean. And yet, they both end up being charged in the murder of her son. moo
I'll ask again: What happened that resulted in such a tragic, and senseless loss of a child's life?

I guess for me...it's the tone, she seems like she doesn't want to provoke him, and he saved her life and she feels greatful not for her life but that the event didn't provoke him and he loves her because she doesn't do anything to provoke him. I guess it's the word provoke that's got my hackles up.

I would bet this guy had a difficult time controlling his anger and has issues with his ego and possibly emotional problems (since he indicated his childhood was kidnapped) These would be red flags to me, they would indicate he was capable of violence. That and there isn't a picture of Ethan on the website...he is her son and should have been a part of her life? (just my opinion and assumptions)

harleysnana
05-12-2010, 03:04 PM
You can see their booking info here: http://www.co.davis.ut.us/sheriff/divisions/corrections/current_inmate_roster/default.cfm
If anyone finds any information on their court dates and times please let me
know.. I'm local and would love to go! :furious:

'Ailina
05-12-2010, 03:18 PM
I have a hard time seeing the red flags that point toward him being a promising child murderer. She seems to be attracted to that 'bad boy' side as so many women are. I'm not sure how much a person is supposed to do so he/she doesn't end up with the wrong person. A background check doesn't show child predator activities nor, IMO any criminal conduct indicating that he is a murderer. Her record is clean. And yet, they both end up being charged in the murder of her son. moo
I'll ask again: What happened that resulted in such a tragic, and senseless loss of a child's life?

I agree -- I don't think any red flags necessarily point to child murder. Murder of the spouse? Maybe, because these writings seem to heavily imply he's been violent toward her in the past.

But from reading these writings without any other evidence or exposure to these two in person, I would suspect NS to be a violent personality capable of abuse, and the abuse is what Ethan would've needed to be protected from. Protect them from abuse, you (likely) protect them from murder. (After all, we almost never anticipate someone is capable of murder, though, right? Especially if he doesn't have a record of criminal violence?)

passionflower
05-12-2010, 03:26 PM
Do we know if little Ethan went every summer to be with his egg donor?
How was he treated in the past with the monsters?

passionflower
05-12-2010, 03:28 PM
how could any mother live with herself knowing her baby is buried in the muddy dirt in snow covered woods all alone????
I hope she has nightmares every night!

alsmom
05-12-2010, 03:29 PM
So they've been together less than a year and they've already killed a child together. Wow! She's an idiot and he's a punk. Pure and simple. Bad boys don't go around stating they're bad boys sorry son you're a fool. I am so enraged right now. I know it's not PC but these two weren't fit to take care of a rat. The pregnancy she lost was two babies that dodged a bullet. IMO

That whole thing he wrote on that wedding site was so disturbing. I can't believe any woman would take that crap as a compliment.

I normally am not a ranter, but there's something about these creeps that take children from a home where they're taken care of and could be returned to but they instead kill the child that just burns me up. Sorry about that convoluted last sentence. I'm just so incensed right now!

Shaniya D.
Robert M.
Little Ethan
all had homes. They didn't need their crappy, unmotherly mothers coming into their lives ever.

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 03:29 PM
Trying to understand why our children our senselessly murdered just might prevent a future child from a short life. My nature is to try and find the cause for such an act - if drugs were involved, we need to know what ones. IMO knowledge is power!!! Knowledge can be turned into prevention. !!! moo

I agree!! My first reaction is outrage, disgust and the desire for rapid extreme punishment!!!

I also realize we need to find out what makes "people" do these horrific things, so we can prevent them in the future! I had a huge arguement with a coworker today about this!!!

darlin gal
05-12-2010, 03:33 PM
Do we know if little Ethan went every summer to be with his egg donor?
How was he treated in the past with the monsters?



She left Ethan and his dad for this monster in Sept. of last year. The divorce was final 4/28. The monster and her were married May 1st.

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 03:40 PM
bbm

I was thinking something similar when I saw the photo of her holding another little boy.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111243

quote:
"You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me."

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236&MsdVisit=1

~greeneyedgirl~
05-12-2010, 03:42 PM
why the rush to get married, was poor Ethan already gone and she didn't want to have to testify against him?

I think she is deplorable but that wedding page speaks clearly of a very over bearing man...whether she was already being abused or not I'm not sure but she sure was speaking the way a groomed person does. It is too bad that her first born son didn't fit into that perfect picture they created....

As I said earlier, your in good hands now buddy...

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 03:48 PM
I agree -- I don't think any red flags necessarily point to child murder. Murder of the spouse? Maybe, because these writings seem to heavily imply he's been violent toward her in the past.

But from reading these writings without any other evidence or exposure to these two in person, I would suspect NS to be a violent personality capable of abuse, and the abuse is what Ethan would've needed to be protected from. Protect them from abuse, you (likely) protect them from murder. (After all, we almost never anticipate someone is capable of murder, though, right? Especially if he doesn't have a record of criminal violence?)

My guess is that she would have been forever trying to refill the empty tank he has from a 'kidnapped' childhood. I agree, violence is a huge predictor of future violence such as rape and murder, I'm not sure I see the predictive measures one would expect. However, he does seem to have a problem with addiction and that, to me, is very predictive. I continue to want to know what was going on with the two of them that resulted in the murder of her beautiful child. He has a record citing mfr. of illegal substances - that could be crack cocaine, growing marijuana, crystal meth, heroine, LSD, etc. not nice drugs. I have taught courses in the past about street drugs and addiction and I can't help but think this case would fit right in. moo

ETA: Hate to put marijuana in with crack, crystal meth, lsd etc. but they are all schedule I drugs, illegal and a felony. moo

Amster
05-12-2010, 03:52 PM
After reading their "love story", I can already see her defense.

She says she had a diabetic episode....one of the 2 life saving acts from her prince. Maybe she was in a diabetic coma when Ethan was killed.

They both seem very proud of the fact that she is able not to provoke his bad boy side. Maybe Ethan wasn't as adept at that. She can claim she wasn't able to stop her groom once provoked. Then she was threatened, yada, yada, yada......:sick:

Amster
05-12-2010, 03:56 PM
My guess is that she would have been forever trying to refill the empty tank he has from a 'kidnapped' childhood. I agree, violence is a huge predictor of future violence such as rape and murder, I'm not sure I see the predictive measures one would expect. However, he does seem to have a problem with addiction and that, to me, is very predictive. I continue to want to know what was going on with the two of them that resulted in the murder of her beautiful child. He has a record citing mfr. of illegal substances - that could be crack cocaine, growing marijuana, crystal meth, heroine, LSD, etc. not nice drugs. I have taught courses in the past about street drugs and addiction and I can't help but think this case would fit right in. moo

ETA: Hate to put marijuana in with crack, crystal meth, lsd etc. but they are all schedule I drugs, illegal and a felony. moo

He doesn't say his childhood was kidnapped.....he says his CHILD was kidnapped. I guess during his acrimonious divorce....probably means he lost custody which he describes as "kidnapped". Would LOVE to hear from his ex!

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 04:01 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon

Thank you Jon and WELCOME to WS :)

Now after reading that this is how I feel :sick:

mysticrose
05-12-2010, 04:03 PM
Yeah she is so in LOVE with him, but I can garunantee she has thrown him under the bus on this one .......

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 04:10 PM
He doesn't say his childhood was kidnapped.....he says his CHILD was kidnapped. I guess during his acrimonious divorce....probably means he lost custody which he describes as "kidnapped". Would LOVE to hear from his ex!

Thanks - I was confused as to what he meant, didn't know he had been married and had a child. Now it makes sense. I'm sure you are right on, his ex would probably have plenty to say about his proclivity toward violence. All I can say is : THANK GOODNESS HE LOST CUSTODY!

White Hawk
05-12-2010, 04:14 PM
From a post that commented on the story in the Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10728945&comments=true
WEDNESDAY, May 12, 2010


mommy#2: 5/12/2010 12:25:00 AM +22

My children and Ethan shared the same father. I want everyone to know Ethan would make your heart melt. He was so sweet and love to give you hugs. He was funny and done the cutest little things. I have taken Ethan of many family vacations. Just me, lil man and my children. He called me momma #2. I treated him as my own.
Stephanie on the other hand is evil. I have know her for serveral. She became the stepmother to my children. I have always said she is the type of person that would spit on the ground and drown her own mother in it. But i can't believe she would do nothing while this Nate guy put his hands on Ethan. Even, if this would of never happen today i couldn't say one nice thing about Stephanie. She abandit my ex-husband and Ethan back in Sept 2009 to be with this guy Nathan. Never once did she send money to help out my ex for child expense. She didn't care! My ex thought he was doing the right thing by allowing Ethan to spend time with his mother. Ethan met Nate for the first time with Stephanie brought him up there to Uath. My ex and Stephanie divorce was finalized April 28,2010. She married this murderer 2 days later.
Ethan i know you can hear me and hear our prayer but i am so sorry this happen to you. You didn't deserve this. I don't know why your mother murder you. We will never understand. We love you. Your bubba and sissy are very hurt but i want you to knwo we will be strong for you. You brought a lot of joy to me and anyone you were around. Your daddy is so sorry for letting you go up there. But i promise we all didn't know. I knew your mother was crazy but i didnt know she was that crazy. I promise Ethan she and Nate will be punished for what they did. Love always mommy #2

angiejean
05-12-2010, 04:14 PM
He doesn't say his childhood was kidnapped.....he says his CHILD was kidnapped. I guess during his acrimonious divorce....probably means he lost custody which he describes as "kidnapped". Would LOVE to hear from his ex!

Whoops! Sorry that was my mistake initially...misread the quote.:blushing:

Also, would be interested in hearing about his life pre SS. Feel so bad for Ethans father, he probably had no idea what kind of situation he was sending his son too. :( (moo)

Jaxson
05-12-2010, 04:19 PM
The tattoo WPS that is listed by LE must stand for redacted name of minor. The boy she is holding in the photos on the wedding site is redacted name of minor. Must be his son from the first marriage. He may not have lost custody. The ex-wife may have felt the need to actually 'kidnap' their son to protect him. My experience with the courts says they gave him visitation and didn't pay attention to his ex-wife. His own son is probably lucky to be alive. JMHO

Jamiejy
05-12-2010, 04:26 PM
My guess is that she would have been forever trying to refill the empty tank he has from a 'kidnapped' childhood. I agree, violence is a huge predictor of future violence such as rape and murder, I'm not sure I see the predictive measures one would expect. However, he does seem to have a problem with addiction and that, to me, is very predictive. I continue to want to know what was going on with the two of them that resulted in the murder of her beautiful child. He has a record citing mfr. of illegal substances - that could be crack cocaine, growing marijuana, crystal meth, heroine, LSD, etc. not nice drugs. I have taught courses in the past about street drugs and addiction and I can't help but think this case would fit right in. moo

ETA: Hate to put marijuana in with crack, crystal meth, lsd etc. but they are all schedule I drugs, illegal and a felony. moo

BBM, If you look at the pictures of her (on the Wedding Site) from the time she arrived till now she looks like she picked up a drug habit too or she was abused and lost alot of weight from stress. JMO

maggieo
05-12-2010, 04:38 PM
why the rush to get married, was poor Ethan already gone and she didn't want to have to testify against him?


respectfully snipped

I had the same thought about the rushed-ahead wedding. All the wedding sites say July 4th.

But that would mean they killed him almost as soon as he arrived - hard to believe.

RIP precious baby. :(

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 04:46 PM
respectfully snipped

I had the same thought about the rushed-ahead wedding. All the wedding sites say July 4th.

But that would mean they killed him almost as soon as he arrived - hard to believe.

RIP precious baby. :(

I guess we will find out when they release the coroner's report. That poor, beautiful little boy. He reminds me of my youngest when he was that age...the little glasses...:-(

Amster
05-12-2010, 04:47 PM
I found the name of his ex. Won't post it. Seems they were married in Fla. Oct. 99 and moved to Utah. High school sweethearts.

lillygator
05-12-2010, 04:47 PM
It's so bizarre to read that Knot wedding page and then have to reconcile it with the fact that these two are responsible for the death of adorable little Ethan.

Just so frightening when you realize how close we literally walk to monsters on a daily basis. We just have no idea what goes on in other people's minds and lives.

I was thinking the same thing just now looking at that web page...they looked like your average engaged couple.

Amster
05-12-2010, 04:53 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html

Family members are beginning to talk....

Amster
05-12-2010, 05:00 PM
Visitation was court ordered! :furious::furious::furious:

per link above

Joe, Ethans dad, didn't want to let him go and Ethan didn't want to go......:(

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 05:08 PM
now they were married may 6th...according to that article...not that it matters really except wondering why they moved up the wedding when it was all planned...

does sound as though father did not want to send little boy to utah, if step-grandma is to be believed...i hate that courts might be responsible...if she had abandoned him for a man as recently as last fall, father should have been able to fight this for a while...jmo

Herding Cats
05-12-2010, 05:15 PM
why the rush to get married, was poor Ethan already gone and she didn't want to have to testify against him?


You know, I've been thinking...what's the rush? The wedding site, and other places, indicate that July 4th was the date they set to get married.

Could it be that they got married after Ethan was murdered - because married people cannot testify against their spouses involuntarily? I know that's the case in many states, so Utah may be the same way; the prosecution cannot compell a spouse to testify against the other one.

That is the only reason I can think of to get married "earlier this month" as opposed to the original, set, published date.

Ethan, my heart breaks for you. Enjoy the Arms of God...for He will never forsake you. You and your Dad will be in my thoughts and prayers for some long time to come.

Best-
Herding Cats

jnTexas
05-12-2010, 05:25 PM
You know, I've been thinking...what's the rush? The wedding site, and other places, indicate that July 4th was the date they set to get married.

Could it be that they got married after Ethan was murdered - because married people cannot testify against their spouses involuntarily? I know that's the case in many states, so Utah may be the same way; the prosecution cannot compell a spouse to testify against the other one.

That is the only reason I can think of to get married "earlier this month" as opposed to the original, set, published date.

Ethan, my heart breaks for you. Enjoy the Arms of God...for He will never forsake you. You and your Dad will be in my thoughts and prayers for some long time to come.

Best-
Herding Cats

it will be interesting to find out if any family members were told that they got married. I'm betting this was a justice of the peace wedding.

I hope the ME can tell when he was murdered.

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 05:30 PM
I do not see any pics of Ethan on that page at all, even under the photo ones.

And they met on Oct. 8th. She doesn't bother to mention that she adbandoned her husband and child for him.

Cubby
05-12-2010, 05:30 PM
From the link Jon supplied...

Written by NS:



Is it just me, or is this a red flag?

Written by SS:



Maybe I'm biased (past personal experience), but this sounds like NS was "humbling" SS, which could be abuse, oppression, and control. NOTE: I'm NOT implying SS is justified in any shape, form, or fashion for doing violence against this innocent little boy! Simply exploring the dysfunctional dynamic of NS & SS's relationship.

And reading their wedding page makes me ill, ill, ILL.


It wasn't just you. Reading that sent red flags to my brain as well.

The other thing that I found odd, and have to go back and find it, but NS refers to his child being kidnapped? Puhlease! I'm not going to further comment on his child..... but I highly doubt it was 'kidnapping' in any legal definition, parental or otherwise.

krazyfingerzz
05-12-2010, 05:31 PM
Several have noticed that mom looks a little drugged and that this Nate idiot has a drug mfg. charge in his past. I also read (and noted mention here) of Amanda-something's post on the other board. She does seem to have some seemingly good information, and posted that Ethan had been poisoned. Looking at the charges and thinking, and even reading what Ethan's step mom said (that Steph was crazy but that she couldn't imagine her letting Nate hurt Ethan), I give the idea of poison credence. Perhaps step-dad and mom had some bad substances out and about, that Ethan got into. From what I've read on that wedding site, seems like they probably are too wrapped up in each other to pay attention to a sweet little boy. I noticed, too, that while there were no pics of Ethan there, there were pics of her with idiot-Nate's son. I always hate to think someone would purposely set an innocent child up to take something. There have also been those parents who want the kids to be quiet (not seen or heard) and who medicate along those lines and with horrible results. I would have to check again, but the charges lead me to believe that this may be the scenario - something happened, intentional or accidental - and no one thought to get help or it was too late by the time they thought to pay attention. Not calling it in even then leads me to think drugs, of the illegal variety, were involved. Think of being a parent, and your first thought not being of a crushing loss of your child, but of saving your own arse. That's when I realize how some people really aren't parents at all, let alone human beings.

laytonian
05-12-2010, 05:32 PM
I was thinking the same thing just now looking at that web page...they looked like your average engaged couple.

I read that page, and maybe it was my prejudice based on knowing what they did, but I saw two uneducated, semi-literate egotists spouting mumbo-jumbo. Perhaps drugged when they wrote it.

Not at all like the average engaged couple, IMO.

This happened in my town. I was immediately suspicious.

It wasn't just the "walked out five times in ten days" statement (numbers ending in 5 and 0 are an auditor's red flag) ... but the egg-donor's claim that Ethan had found his way back each previous time sealed it.

A four-year-old MAY walk out of an apartment, but if they've only lived there for ten days, how in holy blazes would they find their way back once ... let alone five times in a row? The place is a maze of buildings (LINK (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=meadows+apartments+layton+utah&fb=1&gl=us&hq=meadows+apartments&hnear=layton+utah&cid=0,0,269792573939602637&ei=pxrrS8T5MIWesgOYirTgDw&ved=0CBkQnwIwAA&t=h&ll=41.081227,-111.976336&spn=0.004796,0.008937&z=17))

The complex once was the nicest in town (next door to the then-new mall), but like all others, it's managed thinly to create profit, sold and sold again, and now it's a $500/month haven for some pretty shady people. It's one of those places that makes you go "hmmmm" when you hear of a missing persons case.

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 05:35 PM
Do we know if little Ethan went every summer to be with his egg donor?
How was he treated in the past with the monsters?

Considering that she adbandoned him ( and her husband) just last Oct. to be with him, I would say this was the first (and last) time he went.

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 05:48 PM
Was the info that she abandoned her family on any news site, or just in comments sections from stories? Just wondering...if we know this to be true, or if they could have been separated at the time.

Kat
05-12-2010, 05:49 PM
You know, I've been thinking...what's the rush? The wedding site, and other places, indicate that July 4th was the date they set to get married.

Could it be that they got married after Ethan was murdered - because married people cannot testify against their spouses involuntarily? I know that's the case in many states, so Utah may be the same way; the prosecution cannot compell a spouse to testify against the other one.

That is the only reason I can think of to get married "earlier this month" as opposed to the original, set, published date.

Ethan, my heart breaks for you. Enjoy the Arms of God...for He will never forsake you. You and your Dad will be in my thoughts and prayers for some long time to come.

Best-
Herding Cats

I found this on priviledged commications:

http://law.justia.com/utah/codes/title78/78_1f009.html

I don't know if there is a clause that is specific to a murder charge of a child of either partner in the marriage. Someone else may know.

Kat
05-12-2010, 05:54 PM
I think I found the exception? Someone have a look and see please?

http://www.utcourts.gov/resources/rules/ure/0502.htm

laytonian
05-12-2010, 05:57 PM
I agree -- I don't think any red flags necessarily point to child murder. Murder of the spouse? Maybe, because these writings seem to heavily imply he's been violent toward her in the past.

But from reading these writings without any other evidence or exposure to these two in person, I would suspect NS to be a violent personality capable of abuse, and the abuse is what Ethan would've needed to be protected from. Protect them from abuse, you (likely) protect them from murder. (After all, we almost never anticipate someone is capable of murder, though, right? Especially if he doesn't have a record of criminal violence?)

His Utah record is here (LINK (http://utahsright.com/charges.php?first=&last=sloop&search=1)), and the way things are bargained down to avoid court costs, I wouldn't discount previous violence. Plus, I'm not sure we know everywhere he's lived; that's just Utah.

This is the first image I found of him, before the Davis County booking photos came online. This is from his previous Weber County Incarcerations: (LINK (http://www.co.weber.ut.us/offender/offenderresults.php?ID=257948)). I call that one scary dude.

An additional charge has been added against NS: "damaging a jail".
I'm wondering if the little creep tried to escape, or threw a fit.

His current booking info is here (LINK (http://www.daviscountyutah.gov/sheriff/divisions/corrections/current_inmate_roster/default.cfm))

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 05:57 PM
I think I found the exception? Someone have a look and see please?

http://www.utcourts.gov/resources/rules/ure/0502.htm

(4) Exceptions. No privilege exists under subparagraph (b) of this rule:

(C) Spouse charged with crime or tort. In a proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime or a tort against the person or property of


(i) the other,


(ii) a child of either,

CCup
05-12-2010, 05:59 PM
So I just read the wedding page...made me wanna throw up! These two are freakin dillusional!

Kat
05-12-2010, 05:59 PM
Thanks suzyq :) If that was the plan then it wasn't a good one. JMHO.

darlin gal
05-12-2010, 06:01 PM
I found this on priviledged commications:

http://law.justia.com/utah/codes/title78/78_1f009.html

I don't know if there is a clause that is specific to a murder charge of a child of either partner in the marriage. Someone else may know.


(1) (a) Neither a wife nor a husband may either during the marriage or afterwards be, without the consent of the other, examined as to any communication made by one to the other during the marriage.
(b) This exception does not apply:
(i) to a civil action or proceeding by one spouse against the other;
(ii) to a criminal action or proceeding for a crime committed by one spouse against the other;
(iii) to the crime of deserting or neglecting to support a spouse or child;
(iv) to any civil or criminal proceeding for abuse or neglect committed against the child of either spouse; or

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 06:04 PM
Thanks suzyq :) If that was the plan then it wasn't a good one. JMHO.

It was your find!! thank you!!!!!!

laytonian
05-12-2010, 06:04 PM
I think I found the exception? Someone have a look and see please?

http://www.utcourts.gov/resources/rules/ure/0502.htm

Besides what's on that page:
If the crime took place before they married, she can be compelled to testify.

But don't forget: spousal privilege just means you can't be FORCED to testify. Since the information about the body's location came out while they were being questioned, I suspect she turned on him and will eagerly testify against him to save her own skin.

And even if she didn't crack and confess, she could still choose to testify if offered a deal.

That's important, because our local police say that they were married on May 1st (the same day Nathan arrived in Utah), despite the Deseret News' story stating they married on May 6th.

fhc
05-12-2010, 06:09 PM
Has anyone found NWS's records in Calhoun, LA or Salisbury, MD? iirc, these states have not been mentioned but searches are showing him to have some kind of records there.

crystalgenie
05-12-2010, 06:18 PM
I just finished reading the garbage known as the "wedding page". I really didn't see anything that would indicate violence just some enormous egos being fed by eachother. They both seem not only obsessed with themselves but with eachother. It may not have been them individually but them together becoming violent/murderous.

Vegas Bride
05-12-2010, 06:24 PM
He doesn't say his childhood was kidnapped.....he says his CHILD was kidnapped. I guess during his acrimonious divorce....probably means he lost custody which he describes as "kidnapped". Would LOVE to hear from his ex!

Knowing how sweet little Ethan ended up, it's no surprise that another childs mother felt the need to kidnap them to keep the devil away!!!

VB

laytonian
05-12-2010, 06:31 PM
I think I just found NS's father's obit (LINK (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/725680/Obituary-Warren-Thomas-Sloop.html)).

It mentions from Denver (matches the Golden, Colorado planned reception). Lots of religious references, including five years "ministering" in Campus Crusade for Christ (something I was involved in for two weeks, before wising up).

Yet, with all of the Florida and Colorado references, the funeral was in Utah.

"The success he sought was the success of others."

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 06:35 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Sloops-Mother-Theres-more-to-this-story/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx

passionflower
05-12-2010, 06:36 PM
Besides what's on that page:
If the crime took place before they married, she can be compelled to testify.

But don't forget: spousal privilege just means you can't be FORCED to testify. Since the information about the body's location came out while they were being questioned, I suspect she turned on him and will eagerly testify against him to save her own skin.

And even if she didn't crack and confess, she could still choose to testify if offered a deal.

That's important, because our local police say that they were married on May 1st (the same day Nathan arrived in Utah), despite the Deseret News' story stating they married on May 6th.

Today is may 12...........and they were arrested on 11th Ethan found on the 10th.........Ethan last seen????? He arrived on the 1st. Thinking of a timeline. They had him just a few days.............
Why did they move up their wedding plans? Could she be pregnant?
Was Ethan crying for dad? Poor baby

suzyq211
05-12-2010, 06:39 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Sloops-Mother-Theres-more-to-this-story/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx



"Pam says she knows they are upset by the events of the past 48 hours, "I know they're both devestated by what happened and great regret"."

Dang I just feel awful about that!!!!

passionflower
05-12-2010, 06:41 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Sloops-Mother-Theres-more-to-this-story/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx

I noticed she calls her son and his wife "those 2 people"
distancing herself from them????

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 06:42 PM
An article somewhere quoted a neighbor saying that Mom had come out of the apartment upset and dad came out and held her face like...focus. I can't remember the exact words. But IIRC, that was last Thurs, May 6th.

passionflower
05-12-2010, 06:44 PM
while looking at the infamous wedding page it looks like SS was really into a big wedding at aunt & uncles but what about him???
NS is no catch at all.................what is wrong with this woman???

passionflower
05-12-2010, 06:45 PM
An article somewhere quoted a neighbor saying that Mom had come out of the apartment upset and dad came out and held her face like...focus. I can't remember the exact words. But IIRC, that was last Thurs, May 6th.

timeline date.........interesting!!!

Amster
05-12-2010, 06:47 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Sloops-Mother-Theres-more-to-this-story/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx

Sloops mom, Pam, says she saw Ethan last Wed. I believe her. Wonder who else saw him after that?

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 06:48 PM
An article somewhere quoted a neighbor saying that Mom had come out of the apartment upset and dad came out and held her face like...focus. I can't remember the exact words. But IIRC, that was last Thurs, May 6th.

I remember reading that too. I think it was on Deseret News.

Amster
05-12-2010, 06:50 PM
Anybody check NS record in Fla.?

jenniferst
05-12-2010, 06:52 PM
I think the May wedding was related to the April 28th divorce finalization. Who knows if they just had the urge to make it official immediately instead of waiting since they were 'so in love'.

grayjay
05-12-2010, 06:59 PM
"Pam says she knows they are upset by the events of the past 48 hours, "I know they're both devestated by what happened and great regret"."

Dang I just feel awful about that!!!!
Devastated that they got caught, I suspect.

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 07:10 PM
Reading more on the wedding blog. They "reunited" on Oct. 8th and he proposed Oct. 17th. Big hurry there. And she was still married to Ethan's father. Just ran off to Vegas to meet this guy after contacting him by email and never left. Obviously didn't think much of leaving her child. Why did she have to have him for the summer :(

Amster
05-12-2010, 07:11 PM
I think I just found NS's father's obit (LINK (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/725680/Obituary-Warren-Thomas-Sloop.html)).

It mentions from Denver (matches the Golden, Colorado planned reception). Lots of religious references, including five years "ministering" in Campus Crusade for Christ (something I was involved in for two weeks, before wising up).

Yet, with all of the Florida and Colorado references, the funeral was in Utah.

"The success he sought was the success of others."

Dad died in Oct. 99 and Nathan was married in Oct. 99.

sunflowerchick
05-12-2010, 07:13 PM
This has drugs/meth written all over it, from the wedding page, to the photos to the way things appear to have gone down. SS reminds me very much of a friend I had who walked away from a happy marriage and her kid to be with a meth dealer. She looks like the person I knew, sounds like the person I knew, and even the circumstances are eerily similar.

Although my friend didn't hurt or kill anyone (Thank God!), I wouldn't have been shocked if something bad had happened. People would say the same thing about my friend that NS's mother said in her interview about Stephanie. They were good people, they weren't vicious, they wouldn't hurt anyone. Not sure about NS or SS, but I can tell you with the friend I had, even though she wasn't vicious or mean, when she was on drugs, she became a different person. Her judgement became VERY clouded. Her sense of right and wrong was distorted, and her love for her child disappeared into being controlled by the drugs.

With the cousin of NS who said he had some type of personality disorder (article linked previously in this thread), again I would bet that is due to meth. I have heard many times of people who have "gone crazy" due to meth use. I would bet that NS was a decent person when he was sober for a while, but that the other "personalities" came out when he was on a binge. Just because his criminal record isn't recent doesn't mean he wasn't recently using. It could just mean that he didn't get caught for a while.

This certainly doesn't excuse the behavior of these two adults who made their own choices, but it might help shed some light on the "why" that we are all seeking. I cannot fathom how something like this could happen, but I can see some parallels in the lives of people I knew who were affected by a terrible drug.

I could be way off base here, but this is just MOO.

laytonian
05-12-2010, 07:27 PM
Dad died in Oct. 99 and Nathan was married in Oct. 99.

I just found a coincidence between this case and the
Koecher case: Steven Koecher's parents live very near
where Nathan Sloop's mother has her insurance office.

(cases not connected...)

alsmom
05-12-2010, 07:44 PM
SS said on the wedding page that someone's garbage was her treasure. This seems to be a dig at the ex wife. I think they have bonded over how mistreated and abused he was by the wife/system. It has that (faux) victim/savior dynamic written all over it.

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 07:49 PM
SLOOP, NATHANAEL WARREN


DAMAGING A JAIL
ABUSE OR DESECRATION OF A HUMAN BODY
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE
CHILD ABUSE
CRIMINAL HOMICIDE, AGGRAVATED MURDER

SLOOP, STEPHANIE CHRISTINE

ABUSE OR DESECRATION OF A HUMAN BODY
OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE
CHILD ABUSE

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/EXCLUSIVE-ABC-4-s-interview-with-Sloops-mother/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:17 PM
In case anyone begins to feel SS was a "victim" (and I'm not saying you do):


I don't... not one single bit! My thoughts were...from what she wrote, to me it sounds like SS knew exactly WHO she was getting married to.

And if she was in a abusive relationship with this guy, she still had the responsibility to protect her son. She is 100 percent equally accountable for the role she played in the horrible way Ethan died. (moo)

(btw..trying to type thoughts lighting fast to keep up with you all on this board...sorry I wasn't clear :crazy:)
Oh no no no no no... you were clear. I wasn't saying you felt that way at all. I'm the one who wasn't clear; I meant it as I can see people starting to say "poor SS" meaning her defense, etc. I apologize ... I certainly did not mean to imply in any way you (or anyone on this forum for that matter) felt that way.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:20 PM
They haven't gotten their formal charges yet. The DA is still considering them. Supposed to come by Friday.

The Davis County Attorney's Office said it will hold a press conference Friday morning to announce formal charges against a couple accused of murdering their 4-year-old child and dumping his body in a remote area in Ogden Canyon.

Lead prosecutor Troy Rawlings said his office was still waiting Wednesday for the Utah State Medical Examiner's autopsy report on Ethan Stacy, as well as compiling additional evidence from Layton police.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-mulled-in-boys-murder-case.html

Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings
Email: troy@co.davis.ut.us

ETA: It has never bothered me to email officials, even if I don't live in the county or state. I just figure they want to know how the public at large feels about a case, a perpetrator, or a victim :)

Thanks. I hope he get VERY creative. I have no problem with him waiting a couple of days to file charges. Those monsters aren't going anywhere.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:24 PM
why the rush to get married, was poor Ethan already gone and she didn't want to have to testify against him?

I think she is deplorable but that wedding page speaks clearly of a very over bearing man...whether she was already being abused or not I'm not sure but she sure was speaking the way a groomed person does. It is too bad that her first born son didn't fit into that perfect picture they created....

As I said earlier, your in good hands now buddy...


Wow... never thought of that. Although there have been interviews of neighbors who saw Ethan, it's not clear when he was last seen.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:28 PM
My guess is that she would have been forever trying to refill the empty tank he has from a 'kidnapped' childhood. I agree, violence is a huge predictor of future violence such as rape and murder, I'm not sure I see the predictive measures one would expect. However, he does seem to have a problem with addiction and that, to me, is very predictive. I continue to want to know what was going on with the two of them that resulted in the murder of her beautiful child. He has a record citing mfr. of illegal substances - that could be crack cocaine, growing marijuana, crystal meth, heroine, LSD, etc. not nice drugs. I have taught courses in the past about street drugs and addiction and I can't help but think this case would fit right in. moo

ETA: Hate to put marijuana in with crack, crystal meth, lsd etc. but they are all schedule I drugs, illegal and a felony. moo

I think he's referring to his ex and their child, unless there's something else he posted below that. I really don't have the stomach to read all that tripe again. There have been comments I've read on news sites referring to him having a daughter, in Florida I think.

darkest part of my life dealing with My child being kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 08:30 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Sloops-Mother-Theres-more-to-this-story/Q6Va7YpNYUKTAdtjdo-OeA.cspx

The video with the title 'more to the story' shows his mom completely in the dark regarding the 'why' of this happening, Mom says she saw the couple and Ethan last Wednesday and all was well. They all were happy. She wonders, along with many, what could have changed in such a short time span! moo

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:35 PM
After reading their "love story", I can already see her defense.

She says she had a diabetic episode....one of the 2 life saving acts from her prince. Maybe she was in a diabetic coma when Ethan was killed.

They both seem very proud of the fact that she is able not to provoke his bad boy side. Maybe Ethan wasn't as adept at that. She can claim she wasn't able to stop her groom once provoked. Then she was threatened, yada, yada, yada......:sick:

Oh, I'm sure her defense is going to play up any possible abuse or threatened abuse. As far as her being in a diabetic coma, I'll believe she's diabetic when I hear LE confirm that. For now, I think she's a histrionic self-absorbed POS. If it turns out she is diabetic, then she'll be a diabetic histrionic self-absorbed POS.

Demzyy
05-12-2010, 08:38 PM
We got a notice on our door today from our apartment complex's manager stating that the Sloops were not lease holders here, they were simply visiting a friend living here. I need to find out if that is valid, I feel like it's a lie.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:39 PM
I found the name of his ex. Won't post it. Seems they were married in Fla. Oct. 99 and moved to Utah. High school sweethearts.

I found her listed on a high school site (FL) as class of '01. Did they stay in FL for a while after being married?

luvlife
05-12-2010, 08:41 PM
Oh, I'm sure her defense is going to play up any possible abuse or threatened abuse. As far as her being in a diabetic coma, I'll believe she's diabetic when I hear LE confirm that. For now, I think she's a histrionic self-absorbed POS. If it turns out she is diabetic, then she'll be a diabetic histrionic self-absorbed POS.

KSL news just came on and announced that the stepfather beat Ethan on the 5th in the head, then they locked him in his room, so they could go get married the next day........So they left him locked in the room while they went to get married, sick people!!!!!!! The mom confessed the next day she ran to the store and returned and DS had burned Ethan in hot water and he had died so he and someone else were taking him to bury him........

Wow, so so sad!!!!!!

maggieo
05-12-2010, 08:42 PM
We got a notice on our door today from our apartment complex's manager stating that the Sloops were not lease holders here, they were simply visiting a friend living here. I need to find out if that is valid, I feel like it's a lie.

Hm, I don't know how you could find out -- leases aren't public record, are they? I always got the impression my leases lived in my landlords' file cabinets.

Do you think the landlord is nervous about some kind of legal action? Kinda weird.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 08:45 PM
Visitation was court ordered! :furious::furious::furious:

per link above

Joe, Ethans dad, didn't want to let him go and Ethan didn't want to go......:(

Dammit dammit dammit :furious: :furious: :furious:

The Sloops were afraid to take Ethan Stacy out in public because of severe head injuries allegedly inflicted by Nathan in what jail records described as a "systematic and progressively more violent pattern of abuse toward Ethan."

The injuries to Ethan's face were so significant that the Sloops "were afraid to take him out in public with the swelling and bruising to his face and that someone would call police," according to documents released Wednesday by the Davis County Jail.

While the Sloops were getting married, Nathan "removed the door handle from the bedroom" to keep Ethan locked inside.

Severe head injuries???? He'd just arrived to be with those monsters. That poor baby spent the last 10 days of his life being tortured and terrorized :(

Given the details released, I'm betting SS is singing like a bird... and I'm afraid no doubt doing so believing she can get a lesser sentence. I pray not.

concerned4kids
05-12-2010, 08:55 PM
Disgusting.. My heart is breaking all over again..

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 08:55 PM
KSL news just came on and announced that the stepfather beat Ethan on the 5th in the head, then they locked him in his room, so they could go get married the next day........So they left him locked in the room while they went to get married, sick people!!!!!!! The mom confessed the next day she ran to the store and returned and DS had burned Ethan in hot water and he had died so he and someone else were taking him to bury him........

Wow, so so sad!!!!!!

So he died on the 7th? Nice honeymoon, witch.

laytonian
05-12-2010, 08:58 PM
We got a notice on our door today from our apartment complex's manager stating that the Sloops were not lease holders here, they were simply visiting a friend living here. I need to find out if that is valid, I feel like it's a lie.

That MIGHT explain this new report, describing how Ethan was tortured over a few days (LINK (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226))

"On Sunday, May 9, Stephanie says she returned from a trip to the store and Nathan told her Ethan was dead. She says Nathan and another man took Ethan to the mountains, where they desecrated his body and buried him."

Is it possible that this "friend" is the "other man" and he was being questioned at the same time, and given a quick plea?

Nancy2441
05-12-2010, 09:01 PM
I just read this on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

This is the most disgusting evil thing I've ever heard of.

Demzyy
05-12-2010, 09:02 PM
We have a friend who is friends with a girl who's father is a police officer here, and she said that she found out just was the 'desecration' was.... and I'm disgusted.

noexplanation
05-12-2010, 09:03 PM
oh the horror this poor baby went through...

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:06 PM
We have a friend who is friends with a girl who's father is a police officer here, and she said that she found out just was the 'desecration' was.... and I'm disgusted.

I always describe myself as "clinical", but this is one of the most horrific cases ever.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:08 PM
Documents describe death, burial of boy in Utah
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:08 PM
"Pam says she knows they are upset by the events of the past 48 hours, "I know they're both devestated by what happened and great regret"."

Dang I just feel awful about that!!!!

Upset over the past 48 hours? Considering little Ethan was being beaten and terrorized shortly after arriving, I have to believe their 'regret and devastation' is at being caught.

ThePhantom
05-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Evil incarnate.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:11 PM
An article somewhere quoted a neighbor saying that Mom had come out of the apartment upset and dad came out and held her face like...focus. I can't remember the exact words. But IIRC, that was last Thurs, May 6th.

According to police, they locked him up with 'severe head injuries' while they went to get married... on 5/6. Did they come home to find him dead?

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:11 PM
So who is the other man who helped with the body? Is he the person on the lease?

harleysnana
05-12-2010, 09:11 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html

Family members are beginning to talk....

OMG... are you kidding me! These people make me sick!
She is just as guilty as he is and needs to be charged with murder!
A hammer... lighter fluid...
I'm about to go crazy!!!
I wish I had a way to get to them!!!!
:furious::furious:

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:13 PM
According to police, they locked him up with 'severe head injuries' while they went to get married... on 5/6. Did they come home to find him dead?

That could explain her going down to the courtyard and freaking out.

noexplanation
05-12-2010, 09:15 PM
Sloops mom, Pam, says she saw Ethan last Wed. I believe her. Wonder who else saw him after that?

So Sloop's mom saw Ethan on the 5th?

KaylynnCouture
05-12-2010, 09:15 PM
This is sickening. I really can't take many more cases like this.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:15 PM
We got a notice on our door today from our apartment complex's manager stating that the Sloops were not lease holders here, they were simply visiting a friend living here. I need to find out if that is valid, I feel like it's a lie.

Sounds like back-pedaling on the part of management--- for not completing a background check on NS's criminal history perhaps?

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:18 PM
KSL news just came on and announced that the stepfather beat Ethan on the 5th in the head, then they locked him in his room, so they could go get married the next day........So they left him locked in the room while they went to get married, sick people!!!!!!! The mom confessed the next day she ran to the store and returned and DS had burned Ethan in hot water and he had died so he and someone else were taking him to bury him........

Wow, so so sad!!!!!!

I don't think she just *happened* to be away when he died. She's trying to save her own ass.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:20 PM
They recorded it???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Interview summaries filed by Layton police detectives documented a pattern of increasingly harsh treatment of the boy, who was sent by a Virginia judge to Utah for a summer visit with his mother.

Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of the boy's progressively worse condition from the mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:21 PM
I'm thinking they knew they went to far with the injuries and there wasn't any going back. Ethan was a witness and needed to be gotten rid of. What pieces of carp.

CCup
05-12-2010, 09:21 PM
I can't even begin to wrap my head around this! And this man wonders why his ex-wife "kidnapped" his daughter. Let's not waste tax dollars on these low life scums

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:21 PM
That MIGHT explain this new report, describing how Ethan was tortured over a few days (LINK (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226))

"On Sunday, May 9, Stephanie says she returned from a trip to the store and Nathan told her Ethan was dead. She says Nathan and another man took Ethan to the mountains, where they desecrated his body and buried him."

Is it possible that this "friend" is the "other man" and he was being questioned at the same time, and given a quick plea?

Ah the mysterious *other man*. He sure does get around, eh?

IMO, she was there and help dispose of his body.

They desecrated his body before burying it? :furious:

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 09:23 PM
They recorded it???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Interview summaries filed by Layton police detectives documented a pattern of increasingly harsh treatment of the boy, who was sent by a Virginia judge to Utah for a summer visit with his mother.

Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of the boy's progressively worse condition from the mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

Just when you think it can't get any worse. I can hardly find words. Not only does she allow that pig to harm her child, she marries him and takes pictures? She makes KC sound like she really is mother of the year.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Took a hammer to break his teeth and disfigure his face.....that was hard to type.

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Man, if those 2 don't qualify for the death penalty I don't know who does.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:26 PM
Warning more and graphic details. I'm still looking for the actual docs.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Affidavit-reveals-disturbing-details-of-4-year-old-Ethan-Stacys-last-days.html

eyes4crime
05-12-2010, 09:27 PM
Documents describe death, burial of boy in Utah
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226

He was found dead on Sunday - this beautiful child was burned with severe head injuries. He burned this child? I'm going to say the same thing about this case as that of little Robert Manwill - despicable, absolutely despicable!!

LadyL
05-12-2010, 09:27 PM
ok, why would she be taking pictures & videos of Ethan if his 'condition' was getting progressively worse?

if she didn't want to take him out in public, then why document the abuse which could possibly be seen by someone other than them?

methinks something else is going on here aside from them both being disgusting pos's who deserve the firing squad

they remind me of Karla Homolka & Paul Bernardo ...

also, has anyone taken screenshots of that wedding site? it will probably be taken down very soon

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:27 PM
I just read this on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

This is the most disgusting evil thing I've ever heard of.
The Utah stepfather held in the slaying of a 4-year-old child beat him for days before the boy died, then used a hammer to disfigure his face and teeth before burying the body in the mountains, according to police records released late Wednesday.

Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of the boy's progressively worse condition from the mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

The couple told police they found Ethan dead in his bed on Sunday morning, and that Nathanael Sloop buried him later that day.

:furious:

The death penalty is too good for these POSs.

cluciano63
05-12-2010, 09:28 PM
I guess they were trying to prevent ID by dental records if his body was found...?

CCup
05-12-2010, 09:28 PM
I hope Ethan's father does not have to see those pics...ever! How can they not charge her with murder also? She could have taken him to the hospital, she could have called the cops, she could have taken her child and ran like hell! Instead she chooses to let this evil, evil man continue to torture her child. Charge her with murder and get rid of her! What was the ruling on the firing squad in UT, because these 2 deserve nothing less?

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:29 PM
So who is the other man who helped with the body? Is he the person on the lease?

After reading the MSNBC (LINK (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)) story, I think "the other man" was Stephanie Sloop herself.

harleysnana
05-12-2010, 09:29 PM
Sloops mom, Pam, says she saw Ethan last Wed. I believe her. Wonder who else saw him after that?

I don't think anyone did! In this article it states that he was beaten on the
5th and the next day they got married while he was locked in a bedroom.
The mom took cell phone pictures to document the fact that he was getting worse from his injuries..
and on Mother's Day little Ethan was found dead in his room....
After he died they used a hammer and lighter fluid on his body before he was taken to be buried.


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder.html

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:32 PM
So Sloop's mom saw Ethan on the 5th?

...and that's when the abuse began.

noexplanation
05-12-2010, 09:33 PM
I guess they beat him AFTER the mom visited on the 5th. And you mean to tell me she didn't notice any peculiar behavior from these two POS?

CCup
05-12-2010, 09:33 PM
Ok someone clarify this for me....when was his body found? Someone said Sunday but I thought he was reported missing late Monday night ???? And I am fairly positive I watched them "retrieving" his body from the mountain side yesterday. (OMG that was tough to type) Please help claify.....

harleysnana
05-12-2010, 09:34 PM
...and that's when the abuse began.

Laytonian... you want to go to the court dates with me?
We can make pins with Ethan on them and sit right by them?
:furious:

LadyL
05-12-2010, 09:35 PM
these people look different to me in every other photo

the mug shots look different from the wedding site pictures

his mug shot especially

DairyGirl
05-12-2010, 09:36 PM
Why is it that the things that were done to that child cannot be done to his murderers? Being beaten in the head, smashed with a hammer, lighter fluid, all the unspeakable things should be done to those 2 wastes of humanity.

BeanE
05-12-2010, 09:37 PM
So Sloop's mom saw Ethan on the 5th?

the day he had the head and face injuries. and she said he was fine and they were all happy. right. haul her in.

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:37 PM
Ok someone clarify this for me....when was his body found? Someone said Sunday but I thought he was reported missing late Monday night ???? And I am fairly positive I watched them "retrieving" his body from the mountain side yesterday. (OMG that was tough to type) Please help claify.....

They buried him on Sunday (the 9th), reported him missing late on the 10th (Monday), and he was found on the 11th (Tuesday, yesterday).

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:38 PM
Laytonian... you want to go to the court dates with me?
We can make pins with Ethan on them and sit right by them?
:furious:

Can do.

BeanE
05-12-2010, 09:39 PM
He was found dead on Sunday - this beautiful child was burned with severe head injuries. He burned this child? I'm going to say the same thing about this case as that of little Robert Manwill - despicable, absolutely despicable!!

he burned him with scalding water on the 6th after his head and face injuries on the 5th and the poor baby lived with all that agony until the 9th. Dear Jesus God.

CCup
05-12-2010, 09:40 PM
They buried him on Sunday (the 9th), reported him missing late on the 10th (Monday), and he was found on the 11th (Tuesday, yesterday).

Got it, now I am following along! The details of this case are making my mind spin. Thank you

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:40 PM
The cell phone pics should be dated. We'll find out when this really began. BTW, did y'all catch where Nathan tried to tell LE the swelling in the pics was from a peanut allergy?

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 09:41 PM
Between May 5 and May 8, Ethan "exhibited signs and symptoms of a possible head injury or brain swelling due to a head injury," Stephanie Sloop told police Tuesday while being interviewed about her son's death. Ethan did not eat well, was vomiting, lethargic and exhibited non-responsive behavior, according to the reports.


"Stephanie told us she never got medical attention for Ethan, even though she knew that medical attention was needed," detectives wrote.


Stephanie took cell phone pictures documenting the increased swelling. Police say Nathan Sloop originally told them it was due to a peanut allergy.


She also told police she believes Nathan burned her son's feet and put feces in his mouth.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Affidavit-reveals-disturbing-details-of-4-year-old-Ethan-Stacys-last-days.html?pg=1


WTH, I can't believe this. She needs to be charged with murder. She took pictures, knew he needed help. I am speechless at this cruelty. OMG

BeanE
05-12-2010, 09:41 PM
ok, why would she be taking pictures & videos of Ethan if his 'condition' was getting progressively worse?



natural born killer freaks

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:42 PM
OMG... are you kidding me! These people make me sick!
She is just as guilty as he is and needs to be charged with murder!
A hammer... lighter fluid...
I'm about to go crazy!!!
I wish I had a way to get to them!!!!
:furious::furious:

Feces...

I think the police should fly Dad to Utah and then release this POS on bail. Announce to the world when and where it's going to take place.

Then turn their backs.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:42 PM
IMO, she didn't get Ethan help because she was in on it.

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:43 PM
They recorded it???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37120003/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Interview summaries filed by Layton police detectives documented a pattern of increasingly harsh treatment of the boy, who was sent by a Virginia judge to Utah for a summer visit with his mother.

Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of the boy's progressively worse condition from the mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

Sick bastards.

SuziQ
05-12-2010, 09:45 PM
So if the phone pics are from more than a week ago, then POS's mother is lying.

LadyL
05-12-2010, 09:46 PM
she's going to say she was abused and afraid for her life

I keep typing and deleting and typing and deleting b/c I'm so angry that none of it is appropriate for posting

Calliope
05-12-2010, 09:48 PM
IMO, she didn't get Ethan help because she was in on it.

Exactly. When she didn't call the police and pack it up after that first blow, she became complicit and an accomplice in his murder.

Taking photos and videos of the torture they put this child through? Locking her son up with severe head injuries? Allowing that POS to put feces in Ethan's mouth? Buying lighter fluid to destroy "evidence"???

She's up to her eyeballs in this. I PRAY the prosecutor doesn't allow her to get off on this.

Kat
05-12-2010, 09:49 PM
That MIGHT explain this new report, describing how Ethan was tortured over a few days (LINK (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10746226))

"On Sunday, May 9, Stephanie says she returned from a trip to the store and Nathan told her Ethan was dead. She says Nathan and another man took Ethan to the mountains, where they desecrated his body and buried him."

Is it possible that this "friend" is the "other man" and he was being questioned at the same time, and given a quick plea?

In the above link, posted by laytonian is a comment made by his cousin (?) I am willing to bet that once he gets a lawyer this will be the defense. JMHO.

When I read the updates, I actually had a pain in my chest. My stomach is rolling and I have cried. Normally, I am not like this. My husband says I'm as hard as woodpecker lips.

I have to sign off for tonight. Thanks to everyone for keeping up coverage and discussion for Ethan. God bless Ethan's father and hold him close during this time. Bless Ethan.

RubyRed
05-12-2010, 09:49 PM
Feces...

I think the police should fly Dad to Utah and then release this POS on bail. Announce to the world when and where it's going to take place.

Then turn their backs.

Sick bastards.

I agree, I am devastated over this.

krazyfingerzz
05-12-2010, 09:50 PM
There are just no words for this. That mother-in-law had to have been, as others here have noted, lying through her teeth. If Ethan's own mother was tracking the abuse (I can't even imagine the motive...especially after looking at the very different pics on the wedding site), it was obvious, ongoing, and couldn't have been missed by anyone who saw that poor little boy. Not to mention, did no one wonder where Ethan was while those two idiots were getting married? And there can be no excuse for what SS did or didn't do - pics on the cell could have been sent quietly to police or bio dad as a cry for help. Big Bad Nate would never have had to know until the police showed up. She took those pics, sent them to no one, and still married the SOB which says to me that she was not a scared victim but fully and insanely complicit.

ella971
05-12-2010, 09:51 PM
How can I go to the wedding site?TIA

laytonian
05-12-2010, 09:55 PM
he burned him with scalding water on the 6th after his head and face injuries on the 5th and the poor baby lived with all that agony until the 9th. Dear Jesus God.

Most likely, every time he cried. The feces in his mouth may have been after the boy defecated during torture or while locked in the room. (Hard to type.)

I hate cases like this, because the first report tells you the child is dead -- and there's nothing you can do. Then you get the details, and feel worse, and there's still nothing you can do.

I predict both will quickly plea bargain.

Cubby
05-12-2010, 09:55 PM
Please disregard if the Stacy-Sloop wedding page has been linked here previously (it's my first post):

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236

--Jon


I have a lot of catching up to do on this thread, but these two goof ball googlied eyed 'love birds' have this 'perfect' whirlwind relationship which was 'so great' it eventually ends up with the both of them participating in her own sons murder and so little respect for him they not only dump his body but take the time to come up with a story AND bury him?

Hmmmmm... what was said in the above link about 'Your Word'? I hope that means they might reconsider that statement and use 'their word' to plead guilty and not waste the tax payers money... because after all, all you have is your word right? At least according to NS. :rolleyes: We know about his word already... based on what he and SS told LE when they reported Ethan missing. :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: