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Cubby
05-14-2010, 04:25 PM
Please continue here. ...

Link to thread #3

Found Deceased UT - 4 yr. old Ethan Stacy missing from Layton since 5/10/10 - #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:30 PM
bringing presser video links forward

video of presser for those who missed it (two parts)

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/loca...net&navCatId=5

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/loca...net&navCatId=5

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:32 PM
bringing this forward:

joe stacy's temporary custody order he filed
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acroba...5/53747001.pdf

nathan sloop's threatening phone calls to ex wife (hard copy)
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acroba...5/53746992.pdf
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nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:33 PM
from eyes4crime... thanks eyes!


WARNING: GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING.
Thought I would bring the time line forward for the members and guests - not sure we can believe much of what Stephanie has told.
Ethan's slow deterioration time-line of hell! 4th revision.

May 1st - Sunday
Ethan leaves dad and flies to Utah to be with mom Stephanie

May 4th - Tuesday
First of many cell phone pictures mom takes of abuse over the days. Picture of Ethan with large, notable, area of swelling to jaw and face.

May5th - Wednesday
Nate's mom visits - says all is fine
Nate takes Ethan in bedroom to punish and beats child around head area; face begins to swell.
Ethan's father, Joe Stacey, told his son was unavailable to talk as he had done in prior days.

Between May 5 and May 8
Ethan "exhibits signs and symptoms of a possible head injury or brain swelling due to a head injury,"

"Stephanie Sloop told police Tuesday while being interviewed about her son's death. Ethan did not eat well, was vomiting, lethargic and exhibited non-responsive behavior, according to the reports.

May 6th - Thursday
Ethan locked in bedroom while Stephanie and Nate marry; door knob taken off. Nate and Stephanie leave child in bedroom due to swelling and bruises.

Over the next several days, Ethan got progressively ill, police said Stephanie Sloop told detectives. He was vomiting, running a fever and would not eat. The couple forced the boy to drink two 16 oz. bottles of water, a bottle of KoolAid and orange juice in a two-hour period, police wrote in the jail statement. (from warrant of probable cause). Motrin and Benadryl were given for the swelling and Nate gave Benadryl so Ethan would stay quiet.

Thurs May 6 or Fri May 7:
Neighbor recalls seeing Stephanie walking away from the apartment seemingly agitated and stopping to look back at the apartment several times. A short time later Nathan followed her, put his hands on her face in a manner leading the neighbor to believe he was asking she please listen to him.

May 7th - Friday
Nate calls Stephanie to inform her Ethan is badly burned on hands, feet, and legs up to buttox area from running water in bath (claims Ethan turned on hot water). Stephanie finds human feces in child's mouth. Stephanie brushes Ethan's teeth until his gums bleed.

May 8th - Saturday
Child continues to suffer from scald burns and head injuries. Blood and vomit found in child's bed. Stephanie needs to wash bed sheets.

'Stephanie told us that on 05/08/2010 Ethan smeared his feces on the bathroom wall and on Nate."

May 9th - Sunday (Mother's Day)
Ethan is found dead in bed

Ethan wrapped in garbage bags with tape, brought to Powder Mountain area for burial. Hammer used to disfigure facial features and teeth of Ethan. Stephanie buys 2 cans lighter fluid to destroy evidence.

May 10th (Monday)
Late in day Stephanie reports child missing Make up story about child leaving the apt. 5x in in last 10 days in middle of night.

May 11th (Tuesday)
LE finds child buried - teeth and face smashed in with hammer, lighter fluid used to destroy evidence.

Please let me know of any additions or deletions. TIA
Thanks to all of you with suggestions for additions/corrections - used every one of them.

Warrant of Probable Cause: Most of the time-line comes from this document. Quotes, and LE media releases.
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acroba...5/537292
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darlin gal
05-14-2010, 04:34 PM
A memorial fund has been set up for Ethan's family at the following location:

TruPoint Bank
PO Box 1010
Grundy, VA 24614
(276) 935-8161

Pay to the order of: Memorial Fund for Ethan Stacy

You can send a check or send payment via EFT (call for details on how to do that) If other forms of payment become available, I will pass along that information and it will posted to the Justice for Ethan Stacy Facebook Group.

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:35 PM
for quick reference here are newsoutlets covering this case:

www.fox13now.com

www.ksl.com

www.abc4.com

nitasch
05-14-2010, 04:36 PM
Funeral services reportedly to be held here

Re post, still waiting on confirmation from family

http://www.grundyfuneralhome.com/home.htm

ETA, this information comes from an article displayed here http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/l...in_utah/46070/

I have not gotten confirmation from the family yet.

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:38 PM
nathan sloop probable cause statement
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

stephanie sloop probable cause statement
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/c/6/e/c6ed48bd-0288-413a-8e91-2a2a7e69229a/Probable_Cause_Stephanie_C_Sloop.pdf

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 04:41 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Police-Ethan-Stacy-beaten-to-death/1Xdk6laR4k2_Ku_s5eYi4A.cspx

wow... at this link abc4 has a poll up on if you think they should seek the death penalty... and 92.4% (after I voted YES myself) think they should seek the death penalty

nitasch
05-14-2010, 04:44 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Police-Ethan-Stacy-beaten-to-death/1Xdk6laR4k2_Ku_s5eYi4A.cspx

wow... at this link abc4 has a poll up on if you think they should seek the death penalty... and 92.4% (after I voted YES myself) think they should seek the death penalty

92.9 now

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 05:01 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.

amysmom
05-14-2010, 05:02 PM
I wish Ethan had told NS's mother (if she was too blind to notice) what was going on & she took him away from them..She did see him AFTER the abuse began correct? He was probably warned not to say a word tho :(

I wish Ethan's dad had immediately gone to get him AFTER he was put off from speaking with him for that week..In no way do I blame him cos no decent human being would ever imagine the horror that was going on..At that point it may not have made a diff depending on when he got there but none of us (including him) will ever know..I hope he's not haunted by this for the rest of his life :(

I wish Ethan's dad was able to go back to court with the threats made against him by NS prior to Ethan leaving for the summer..The judge: "The divorce case is still open and under Smith's jurisdiction, she said, adding that many times divorced couples will amend their agreements as circumstances change."..I don't know IF this includes custody arrangements or not but it should!

I wish these two Sloop creatures were NEVER born! :banghead:

I wish, with all my heart, that Ethan was at home with his dad today riding his bike & eating ice cream in the spring sun..That's where he deserves to be! :(

I wish there was something we could do to stop all these monsters from hurting/killing innocent children but there's not..Why! Why! Why! :waitasec: Grrrrrrr!

mrsc72
05-14-2010, 05:03 PM
http://www.abc4.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=752cb6cd-befd-4c68-aa10-53ac97f191bf&i=3

More pics including both P'sOS.

cluciano63
05-14-2010, 05:04 PM
I don't object to LWOP as they are both fairly young and could be looking at 50 years in prison...a very long time to be sitting in a cell. To me, that sounds like a long, slow way to die and I doubt maximum security would be much fun for either one of them. They would either have to be isolated for years for their safety, or in general population and neither one is going to be pleasant for these two.

Kat
05-14-2010, 05:08 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.

Looks like he's scared @@@@less (edited myself) Good look on him IMHO. (being sassy sorry)

'Ailina
05-14-2010, 05:12 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.

What a wacko. Wacko's poster child, even.

I just viewed the photos from court today (available on the site in the right margin). I know I'm nitpicking, but I can't believe SS's nails are done. They look like they weren't done too long ago. Maybe right before the wedding? Amazing how someone can be so careful and conscientious about their appearance but so sorely, sorely neglect another human being. :(

Kat517
05-14-2010, 05:13 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.

Click that article and there is a picture of him "crying" Give me a break! Where is the puke bucket?

KaylynnCouture
05-14-2010, 05:17 PM
Parents of the year in court today.

http://i41.tinypic.com/28i1ctu.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/1r2rfs.jpg

More at link http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10769121

Kat517
05-14-2010, 05:26 PM
Parents of the year in court today.

More at link http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10769121

Anyone feel like playing darts today? :furious:

cluciano63
05-14-2010, 05:29 PM
Boy, amazing what a few days in jail does to the hair and overall appearance...just think what she'll look like in ten years...she'll probably look about fifty. No more modeling, except in prison garb for her.

Cubby
05-14-2010, 05:32 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.


Awwww... and Stephanie is on there too.
The bride and groom dressed in red.
Anyone think we should add this beautiful shot to Stephanies modeling page?

Muffet
05-14-2010, 05:35 PM
:sick:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2zyd7d0.jpg

IF he's actually crying, it's even more disgusting, because he only has tears for his own vile, worthless self.

For the sweet, innocent Ethan, all he had was sadistic cruelty. :mad:

Cubby
05-14-2010, 05:41 PM
Click that article and there is a picture of him "crying" Give me a break! Where is the puke bucket?


And to think when Ethan was likely crying harder Nathan wasn't even touched and kept on going.
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

Where were those tears when he was beating Ethans face and body?
Too little too late now...... He is where he is at by his own choice and own actions.
Both of them are.

sunflowerchick
05-14-2010, 05:43 PM
I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this... but I am glad to see they are crying and upset. I just hope it is for the right reasons, and that they are absolutely tortured by the guilt of what they have done. I hope they are scared out of their wits and I hope they are suffering with the pain and anguish of the fact that they have destroyed many lives with their selfish and despicable crimes.

Cubby
05-14-2010, 05:43 PM
Looks like he's scared @@@@less (edited myself) Good look on him IMHO. (being sassy sorry)


Honestly, I think he is looking over at his bride devistated over the fact he has no idea when he will see her again and he no longer has 'control'.

MOO

Kat
05-14-2010, 05:46 PM
Mom looks very composed. No red eyes or nose. Would they be medicating her this early into her jail stay? Anyone know?

If not, that is more scary that NS emotional show. IMHO

PoppyH
05-14-2010, 05:46 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Police-Ethan-Stacy-beaten-to-death/1Xdk6laR4k2_Ku_s5eYi4A.cspx

wow... at this link abc4 has a poll up on if you think they should seek the death penalty... and 92.4% (after I voted YES myself) think they should seek the death penalty

93 now I just voted, they do not deserve the air they breath:furious:

cluciano63
05-14-2010, 05:47 PM
I think most people in their situation are crying for themselves...sure, they are scared...they are just recognizing what they are going to face for the rest of their lives. Also, I am sure their lawyers advised them to cry or at least look miserable...we would be even more angry if they looked relaxed or unconcerned I guess...

Cubby
05-14-2010, 05:47 PM
I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this... but I am glad to see they are crying and upset. I just hope it is for the right reasons, and that they are absolutely tortured by the guilt of what they have done. I hope they are scared out of their wits and I hope they are suffering with the pain and anguish of the fact that they have destroyed many lives with their selfish and despicable crimes.


I'd like to see that but my heart tells me his tears are for what he and Stephanie are facing, not for Ethan.

If he felt any remorse for what he had done to Ethan the beatings wouldn't have endured for 7-10 days or so. He would have been that disgusted and upset with himself the first time he lost control.

JMHO

nitasch
05-14-2010, 05:51 PM
I found this for the donation fund, a little different than the other one posted
A fund to help pay for the funeral expenses of Ethan Stacy has been set up at a Virginia bank. Although online donations cannot be accepted, donations can be mailed to:

True Point Bank
P.O. Box 1010
Grundy, VA 24614

It should be directed to Gary Stacy-Joe Stacy Memorial Fund #4 Ethan Stacy. The account number is 0387940.

I think a call to the bank would clear up which name it needs to be associated with.

sunflowerchick
05-14-2010, 05:52 PM
I'd like to see that but my heart tells me his tears are for what he and Stephanie are facing, not for Ethan.

If he felt any remorse for what he had done to Ethan the beatings wouldn't have endured for 7-10 days or so. He would have been that disgusted and upset with himself the first time he lost control.

JMHO

Unfortunately, I have to think you are right. I just hope at some point that they feel guilty over what they have done. It is only at that point that true justice can be served. MOO

Calliope
05-14-2010, 05:52 PM
Did you see the picture with the severe injury to Ethan? Nathan's mother would have seen that injury when she visited. All was not hunky dory as she claims. And it's all the more horrifying when you think of his mother also having knowledge of her son's mental instability and tendency to violence.

BTW, there wouldn't be any real perps to focus on if Nathan's mother picked up the phone and call 911 four days before he died.


What do you want her charged with? I thought she was told the child had a peanut allergy and I guess there are some people who might not question that.

Is there anyone in the family who would have thought this would end up in torture and murder? His mother looked devastated to me. I'm aware that I looks at crimes different from most here, I look at the perp and hold the perp 100% responsible and I don't like to share that among others. Makes me very unpopular - sorry, but that's the way I've always been, and I am entitled to my opinion!moo mho

Go look at the photo of that child on the day the mother claims to have visited and all was fine. Look closely and tell me that anyone would believe that to be an "allergic reaction". IF she was there on that day and saw Ethan as she claims and did not notify police, SHE is a "perp".

essies
05-14-2010, 05:56 PM
Honestly, I think he is looking over at his bride devistated over the fact he has no idea when he will see her again and he no longer has 'control'.

MOO

I hope his "bad boy" personalities "Ghost" and "New York" came to him last night in his cell and said"Yo dude-we're outta here!! You're on your own-good luck with your new homies-you're gonna need it!!" http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss182/ArkanzanWheeler/Smilies/Jail.gif

nursebeeme
05-14-2010, 05:56 PM
Mom looks very composed. No red eyes or nose. Would they be medicating her this early into her jail stay? Anyone know?

If not, that is more scary that NS emotional show. IMHO
she looked like a cold an evil hearted monster in that picture. what a thought... she IS a cold and evil hearted monster!

nitasch
05-14-2010, 06:00 PM
This question has been bugging me since the discovery that Ethan died on the 9th....just what did they do for over 24 hours (besides bury his poor little body)

Did they just sit around and chat...get the story straight... did the "master chef" cook a gourmet meal for her monster...express their undying love (puke)... edit the wedding site... have "one for the road"....

It had to be part of the plan to wait till midnight to call (the next day, possibly more than 24 hours after finding out he had passed on)...wonder what they utilized the time doing. It certainly was not anything with little Ethan in mind.

eyes4crime
05-14-2010, 06:06 PM
Go look at the photo of that child on the day the mother claims to have visited and all was fine. Look closely and tell me that anyone would believe that to be an "allergic reaction". IF she was there on that day and saw Ethan as she claims and did not notify police, SHE is a "perp".

Go after anyone you want - for me, I'll focus on the real perps and do what I can to prove them both murderers.

Also, I think Nate's mom will make an excellent witness for the prosecution. Also, I was informed it was the police who were told about a peanut allergy. We don't know what she was told and we don't know if that's the first time she ever saw Ethan. Do you know? Most people have no idea what a peanut allergy looks like, I only know because as a pharmacist, allergies and the symptoms that go along with them is/are always on my mind and I am keenly aware of them. Not everybody is. I understand people's need to go after Nate's mom, and until she is named as a POI, I chose to leave her out of my perp pic. MOO MHO and all that stuff

Kat
05-14-2010, 06:08 PM
she looked like a cold an evil hearted monster in that picture. what a thought... she IS a cold and evil hearted monster!

Yes she did nursie. If she isn't on meds already then I have to seriously question---exactly who was the leader of that pack. Which one was in charge? I know that we can't judge people by a single picture. But that picture of her scared the jebus out of me. Him? meh he might be crying for himself but she has no emotion. Her attn said she was emotionally distraught?

raeann
05-14-2010, 06:08 PM
Go look at the photo of that child on the day the mother claims to have visited and all was fine. Look closely and tell me that anyone would believe that to be an "allergic reaction". IF she was there on that day and saw Ethan as she claims and did not notify police, SHE is a "perp".

what link is that picture on please????

eyes4crime
05-14-2010, 06:09 PM
This question has been bugging me since the discovery that Ethan died on the 9th....just what did they do for over 24 hours (besides bury his poor little body)

Did they just sit around and chat...get the story straight... did the "master chef" cook a gourmet meal for her monster...express their undying love (puke)... edit the wedding site... have "one for the road"....

It had to be part of the plan to wait till midnight to call (the next day, possibly more than 24 hours after finding out he had passed on)...wonder what they utilized the time doing. It certainly was not anything with little Ethan in mind.

I've thought about this, just like you! What I come up with is that they had a congratulatory dinner on a 'job well done'. I also believe he may have passed the day before. And I am beginning to believe this was pre-meditated in advance of his arrival. Maybe they just didn't want a kid around to bother them. Maybe they took out an insurance policy, maybe they did it for fun. Who knows, but somehow, I think it was planned. moo mho and all that stuff

dr dona
05-14-2010, 06:11 PM
I just want these monsters to never breathe fresh air again.. Mom is aldo guilty of murder. After reading mom's statements in her areeset affadavid I want to go vomit. How could anyone treat a child like this!!!! i'm sitting her praying for Jesus to hold and comfort his spiritual being and tell this child he is loved by many who have never met him. Why could these monstyers send him back to dad rather than kill him?????

Amster
05-14-2010, 06:13 PM
Ethan looks just like his daddy.....probably why SS enjoyed torturing him.

RoseWhite
05-14-2010, 06:15 PM
Didn't the apartment neighbors HEAR anything? I don't understand that either.

eyes4crime
05-14-2010, 06:15 PM
she looked like a cold an evil hearted monster in that picture. what a thought... she IS a cold and evil hearted monster!

nursie - after working on the time-line for hours on end, the logic of it somehow spells Staphanie as the orchestrator of this crime. Actually, I'm beginning to think this was pre-meditated. The reason, I don't know yet, but I feel certain she is behind all this. MOO

PS - thanks for bringing over the time-line I have a copy that I can update as necessary and will bring it down when appropriate. Thanks for thinking of it nursie!!! :blowkiss:

Amster
05-14-2010, 06:17 PM
bringing this forward:

joe stacy's temporary custody order he filed
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acroba...5/53747001.pdf

nathan sloop's threatening phone calls to ex wife (hard copy)
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acroba...5/53746992.pdf
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I can't get these links to work....is it just me?

Cubby
05-14-2010, 06:21 PM
I've thought about this, just like you! What I come up with is that they had a congratulatory dinner on a 'job well done'. I also believe he may have passed the day before. And I am beginning to believe this was pre-meditated in advance of his arrival. Maybe they just didn't want a kid around to bother them. Maybe they took out an insurance policy, maybe they did it for fun. Who knows, but somehow, I think it was planned. moo mho and all that stuff


The thought has crossed my mind that it was planned. The reasons, Nathan no longer had his daughter in his life - so in his mind he lost 'his' daughter, they as a couple lost a pregnancy, and to balance the scales she had to lose Ethan. A trinity kind of thing.... cleansing them of their pasts - just like they had disclosed 'everything' to each other so that neither of their ex's could use anything against them. Thus giving them the chance to start fresh, and Nathan to have a reason to hold onto his anger because his ex 'kidnapped' his child.

As sick as that sounds, that came to mind regarding a possibility on how those two thought.

jmo of course.

sunflowerchick
05-14-2010, 06:25 PM
I want to know if they have found any evidence of drugs in the apartment. I still keep thinking that drugs somehow play a role in this.

eyes4crime
05-14-2010, 06:29 PM
I want to know if they have found any evidence of drugs in the apartment. I still keep thinking that drugs somehow play a role in this.

I keep wondering about that also. It's so hard to read about the torture the two of them orchestrated, even harder to think that it came naturally. moo

nitasch
05-14-2010, 06:31 PM
OMG.....this may have been posted and I missed it, but Ethan died on MOTHERS DAY!

Don't know why I did not realize that before...god I am going to be severely ill.

suzyq211
05-14-2010, 06:36 PM
I know all this speculation doesnt do much good...we are all grasping at straws as to WHY they did what they did. My gut tells me that SS hated her ex, we already see how she tried to use Ethan as a pawn in getting half the "settlement". I feel she goaded NS into hurting that poor baby...she is no innocent here.

Foxy Loxy
05-14-2010, 06:39 PM
story and more pics from court appearance today


http://www.standard.net/topics/ethan-stacy/2010/05/14/suspects-boys-death-make-court-appearance-formal-charges-pending

darlin gal
05-14-2010, 06:40 PM
I can't get these links to work....is it just me?


The links were parsed when they were copied/quoted.

Here they are:

Nathan Sloop's Threatening Voicemails for Ex-Wife Jennifer Freeman
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acrobat/2010-05/53746992.pdf

Joe Stacy's Motion for Temporary Custody of Ethan Stacy
http://www.fox13now.com/media/acrobat/2010-05/53747001.pdf

SondraK
05-14-2010, 06:42 PM
If she continues to claim that she did not report the abuse because she was afraid of hubby dear, that dog don't hunt! She went to the store by herself and could have gotten police protection to get that baby out of there after the first abuse. She did nothing except to leave him with someone she KNEW had abused him. She is just as guilty!

laytonian
05-14-2010, 06:44 PM
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Police-Ethan-Stacy-beaten-to-death/1Xdk6laR4k2_Ku_s5eYi4A.cspx

wow... at this link abc4 has a poll up on if you think they should seek the death penalty... and 92.4% (after I voted YES myself) think they should seek the death penalty

Things like that (including that "execute 'em" Facebook page) are a defense attorney's dream, especially since they are self-selected and not a true statistical representation of the populace. The defender can claim that his/her client cannot get a fair trial anywhere, and attempt to lower the penalty.

The emotions behind it are valid, but I think it's unprofessional for a news organization to put up such a poll. Leave it to our two most sensationalizing news organizations (Fox13 linked to the "execute 'em" page) to do this.

BuzzieCat
05-14-2010, 06:50 PM
Neither one of them is innocent. I read somewhere that she brushed his teeth until they bled. Real caring mom there. They both make me sick and I hope they get DP or a very, very long, long prison sentence. That BLEEP crying for himself. Well, what did he think would happen? All they had to do was let the child just stay with his father. Then they wouldn't have to be bothered with a little kid they apparently didn't really want around except as a punching bag. But no, they hurt the kid to the ultimate extreme and then they're surprised to be in jail facing charges? Rhodes scholars, they are, I tell ya. :furious:

laytonian
05-14-2010, 06:54 PM
OMG.....this may have been posted and I missed it, but Ethan died on MOTHERS DAY!

Don't know why I did not realize that before...god I am going to be severely ill.

I wouldn't be a word either of them said; for all we know, the child died long before. Remember, SS reported Ethan's arms were stiff and his body was cold. No way he died when she claimed he did.

I think they sat around for days trying to figure out what to do next, and couldn't come up with a plausible story.
Stupid a**e* thought the child would be unrecognizable if they beat it with a hammer.

essies
05-14-2010, 07:01 PM
The thought has crossed my mind that it was planned. The reasons, Nathan no longer had his daughter in his life - so in his mind he lost 'his' daughter, they as a couple lost a pregnancy, and to balance the scales she had to lose Ethan. A trinity kind of thing.... cleansing them of their pasts - just like they had disclosed 'everything' to each other so that neither of their ex's could use anything against them. Thus giving them the chance to start fresh, and Nathan to have a reason to hold onto his anger because his ex 'kidnapped' his child.

As sick as that sounds, that came to mind regarding a possibility on how those two thought.

jmo of course.

If it wasn't pre-planned than they made a plan right after the initial beat down Ethan received from NS. After that beating - even if he didn't receive permanent injuries - they both knew that Ethan could NEVER go home to his daddy!! SS knew Ethan could NEVER speak to his daddy again (if that was even possible with his injuries) because the little guy would have told his father what happened or cried uncontrollably at the sound of his daddy's voice.
IMO after the first beating - there was no turning back for these monsters! Ethan's fate was sealed!!:furious: There was only one chance at stopping Ethan's torture and that was when NS's mother visited. She says she didn't see anything . Hard to believe-but, who knows how long she was there and if she actually saw him or if they told her he was taking a nap or something like what SS was telling Joe! I'll give her the benefit of a doubt till more cell phone snap shots are released.
:rose:RIP Little Man-Justice is coming!!

GolferChick
05-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Streaming on Channel 13 --News at 5 in Salt Lake City at this link...
http://www.fox13now.com/

'Ailina
05-14-2010, 07:08 PM
Does anyone know where I might look to find the places of birth for Ethan, SS and NS? (Needed in the astros thread.) I wouldn't know where to begin to look except for a general keyword search.

Topsail Girl
05-14-2010, 07:13 PM
I don't care what either says I think they are still feeding the LE a line of carp. I too have a feeling that much more is going to come out regarding the abuse Ethan suffered. Forensics, DNA and crime scene photos are going to bury these two POS's.

Someone posted earlier how everyone should leave LE to do their job without interference of the public. I'm sorry but I disagree. When left on their own we have seen toooooo many examples of the courts, cops and protective services fail an abused wife, abused child or even both. Too many dead wives and too many dead children. If we don't make changes or in the least let them system know that the public cares and is watching who will???

revampz
05-14-2010, 07:20 PM
I wouldn't be a word either of them said; for all we know, the child died long before. Remember, SS reported Ethan's arms were stiff and his body was cold. No way he died when she claimed he did.

I think they sat around for days trying to figure out what to do next, and couldn't come up with a plausible story.
Stupid a**e* thought the child would be unrecognizable if they beat it with a hammer.


Hi...I think the above is way more plausible than what a few are saying on here about" cooking congratulory dinners on a job well done"

I personally dont think that this was done on purpose to get back at the ex husband etc etc...

I think getting him there for the summer certainly was

and once there Nathan scumbag personality couldnt handle little ethan maybe being a kid and having a tantrum and basically just invading him and lovers love nest so laid into him........probably told her it wasnt going to happen again......it did and then this time he was getting sick......

this is where she went wrong...took photos....I think because she knew this was not right and wanted to cover her own butt......he probably also said something along the lines of "if you take him to a doctor they are going to ask questions and put me in jail and you'll get in trouble too"

so they start with the trying to medicate him....

This is where scumbag Nathan showed what type of human he was, he couldnt stop abusing this little boy still......and put him in a hot bath and faeces in his mouth etc......

her I really cant beleive she was enjoying it......I think there was alot of heated, scared conversations like "I love you so much babe, they'll put me in jail, both of us in jail, if we get married you dont have to say anything against me".....

Her crime to me was not having that motherly bond/instinct that overtakes you to protect your children........she put Nathan scumbag first........

when this poor little sweetheart died I as well am shocked at the slushies......something so small but slushies when your child is lying dead.....


dairygirl put on the last thread about if you fall in love with a man does not mean they are automatically going to become a father to your child......

IF society is going to allow the easy breakdown of marriages and this decay of morals then education needs to be put in place for the welfare of the children......

Stepparenting IS hard......not only do we have an increase in this child physical abuse but also sexual abuse but I beleive there is an increase in what I call societys little survivors....these kids that have become so hard and put themselves first because mum and dad havent all the time.......

and there are now nearly 2 generations of them

RubyRed
05-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Mother of slain Utah boy may face murder charge

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/14/1945084/formal-charges-expected-in-death.html#ixzz0nwtWpSFc

I was away all day just caught up reading. This was the headline I wanted to see.

KaylynnCouture
05-14-2010, 07:24 PM
Does anyone know where I might look to find the places of birth for Ethan, SS and NS? (Needed in the astros thread.) I wouldn't know where to begin to look except for a general keyword search.

I'll look around for you.

'Ailina
05-14-2010, 07:29 PM
I'll look around for you.

I found a couple places that seem like generic public records databases, but I think they're scams. They want $$$ upfront to view documents. Don't wanna do that.

Cubby
05-14-2010, 07:34 PM
story and more pics from court appearance today


http://www.standard.net/topics/ethan-stacy/2010/05/14/suspects-boys-death-make-court-appearance-formal-charges-pending


Both from the above link:


FARMINGTON -- Nathanael Sloop's voice cracked when he asked the judge to allow his mother to visit him.
<snip>
"My mother ..." Nathanael Sloop said crying after public defender Todd Utzinger discussed a motion he had filed restricting who can visit with his client in the Davis County Jail.


http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs286.snc3/27950_1392966178590_1065212413_1155415_69149_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?op=1&view=all&subj=122374551115521&aid=-1&pid=160648&id=100000520717350&oid=122374551115521)


I would love to know if this picture correlates with the above portion from the media article linked above.
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

Sadly, when Ethan was crying for his mommy, Nater' Bean had sent her to the store. :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

RubyRed
05-14-2010, 07:36 PM
KaylynnCouture Post from previous thread. Thank You



PRESSER RECAP

David Cole (assisting the prosecutor) speaking now.

Offering condolences to Ethans family, and thanks to the public.

Says they're concerned for the privacy of Ethans family and memory.

Prosecutor Troy Rawlings speaking now. Says it's the intent of the Davis Co. Prosecutor office to seek the highest charges they can.

Stephanie and Nathan being held without bail while the investigation continues.

Troy Rawlings says their is evidence of Ethans abuse, and that abuse caused the death of Ethan.

There were over 50 officers from various agencies involved with this case.

The medical examiners office is a key component of this case.

Commends the Layton PD for responding quickly and acting professionally.

Prosecutor going on and on about how professional Layton PD and PD Chief acted.

Says things are being processed to determine how accurate the documents are now, but says they were accurate at the time.

Says the documents were held for a few hours before being released because the police chief wanted to tell Ethans father the information first.

Charges today were NOT formally filed. They intend to file with the second district court once the evidence they need is obtained, submitted, and processed.

Nathan and Stephanie will BOTH be charged with aggravated murder, child abuse, descreation of a corpse and obstruction of justice. Looking at 4 felonies.

Says Ethans father was appreciative that charges weren't filed today so that LE had time to get their ducks in a row.

Prosecutor says the bail status was changed this morning to be held without bail.

They are scheduled to be in court at 1pm today, and 1 or 1:30pm on May 28th.

Gathering evidence and waiting to file charges until they have enough evidence that a jury will all say guilty.

Financial records, computer records, audio and video recordings, photographs, etc. are all being looked at as evidence right now.

Medical examiners office says a complete autopsy will be available in "a couple of weeks".

Prosecutor is stressing that they are still gathering evidence, and that's why they haven't filed.

Says public outpour has been tremendous. Offering burial plots, trust funds, etc. Public greatly wants to help Ethan Stacy and his family.

Says they know that Stephanie and Nathan are still presumed as innocent.

UT has a crime victims bill of rights, and defendants may need more time for evidence, expert witnesses, etc.

Justice will not happen overnight.

Under Rule 3.6 prosecutors cannot comment about the facts of the case due to the fact that the defendants are entitled to a fair trial.

Taking time for reporters questions...

Reporter asking if they will have a hard time establishing aggravated murder charge. Prosecutor says if they can't justify it, they won't file it.

Reporter asking if they feel Stephanie is just as responsible as Nathan. Prosecutor says there is a "massive information of evidence above and beyond the statements" that Stephanie is just as responsible.

Reporter asking about motive. Prosecutor declined to comment.

Reporter asking about a fair trial in Davis County due to media attention. Prosecutor says he's not worried about it.

Reporter asking about where Ethans body is. Prosecutor said Ethans body is still at ME office.

Says it could be around the 25th-28th of May before a cause of death is released.

ME Office is "being careful and thoughtful".

Prosecution says they know a lot more than the documents.

Says bail is being changed several times due to more and more evidence coming in.

Prosecutor doesn't know whether Nathan and Stephanie have showed any remorse, or what section of the jail (ie-isolation) that they're in.


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RubyRed
05-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Sadly, when Ethan was crying for his mommy, Nater' Bean had sent her to the store. :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

sbbm

I have a feeling Ethan was crying for his Daddy, which probably infuriated them even more.

Cubby
05-14-2010, 07:44 PM
Interesting isn't it that Nathan sent Stephanie to the store rather than going himself so she could stay home and take care of her son? Even that is half arsed backwards. Isn't usually the other way around? The mom stays home with the child and dad goes out?

Why wouldn't Nathan allow Stephanie to be in the apartment alone with Ethan? She obviously knew what was going on by her sons cries and bruies......

sunflowerchick
05-14-2010, 07:50 PM
At this link (and another one on KSL earlier, but I don't remember where that one is) http://www.standard.net/topics/ethan-stacy/2010/05/14/suspects-boys-death-make-court-appearance-formal-charges-pending

...It says that they both waived their right to bail. In the discussions here it sounds like their bail was revoked. Which is it? Because that is a big difference in my opinion. If they waived their rights to bail, that tells me that they know people are angry, and they are scared to be on the outside. If the bail was revoked, then that means the courts feel that they are flight risks or that the charges are serious enough to warrant them never leaving the jails.

The article also says that they waived their right to a timely filing of charges... They know they are in deep. They may not feel bad about it, but they know how serious it is. Too bad they couldn't realize that before this precious little boy lost his life.

SS should have taken Ethan for medical attention even at the risk of getting in trouble herself. She should have turned herself in so that her little boy could be returned to his daddy where he belonged.

RubyRed
05-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Interesting isn't it that Nathan sent Stephanie to the store rather than going himself so she could stay home and take care of her son? Even that is half arsed backwards. Isn't usually the other way around? The mom stays home with the child and dad goes out?

Why wouldn't Nathan allow Stephanie to be in the apartment alone with Ethan? She obviously knew what was going on by her sons cries and bruies......

It can't be because she was going to get help because she didn't get help while she was out. Not at the courthouse and not at Wal- Mart. I think by the time she went to Wal-Mart he had passed away. And lets not forget the lighter fluid and slushies she bought to take to where they were going to bury him. I am sick to my stomach thinking about it, yet they were going to drink them. And didn't LE say they had more evidence than what the public knew. She already threw him under the bus and he is probably singing like a canary about her role in the abuse. Yeah she went out alone because she was a big part of it. What mother in their right mind would leave their child alone with the abuser? Who would leave their severely abused child with head trauma to go marry the POS? We would be afraid for the child and if we had any breath left in our body we would get help. Yet she goes and that is when he is scalded. From the moment I read that they said he had wandered away several times, I knew then that most of us would have put up safety precautions if our child was wandering at night. Then when I read that she heard the beating, she was home she heard it happening, I knew then she was involved. A loving mother would have stepped in, or called 911. She wasn't afraid of him, he wasn't controlling her she came and went as she pleased. Poor Ethan he suffered horrible abuse and torture and at the very end he died alone without the loving arms of his Daddy. jmo

mahoneys07
05-14-2010, 08:43 PM
http://www.ksl.com/

bright orange jail jumpsuit picture of nathanfreakingsloop on their main page at the moment.

Just looking at them makes me want to rip thier heads off and set them on fire! :( Sorry...they make me madder than anyone ever in my life

KaylynnCouture
05-14-2010, 08:46 PM
Praying for Ethans dad tonight. :rose:

harleysnana
05-14-2010, 10:09 PM
At this link (and another one on KSL earlier, but I don't remember where that one is) http://www.standard.net/topics/ethan-stacy/2010/05/14/suspects-boys-death-make-court-appearance-formal-charges-pending

...It says that they both waived their right to bail. In the discussions here it sounds like their bail was revoked. Which is it? Because that is a big difference in my opinion. If they waived their rights to bail, that tells me that they know people are angry, and they are scared to be on the outside. If the bail was revoked, then that means the courts feel that they are flight risks or that the charges are serious enough to warrant them never leaving the jails.

The article also says that they waived their right to a timely filing of charges... They know they are in deep. They may not feel bad about it, but they know how serious it is. Too bad they couldn't realize that before this precious little boy lost his life.

SS should have taken Ethan for medical attention even at the risk of getting in trouble herself. She should have turned herself in so that her little boy could be returned to his daddy where he belonged.

The judge ordered them to be held with no bail.

sunflowerchick
05-14-2010, 10:39 PM
I know that the judge ordered them held with no bail, but I wonder if that is because the attorneys requested it. Two articles are reporting it that way.

SuziQ
05-14-2010, 10:48 PM
If it wasn't pre-planned than they made a plan right after the initial beat down Ethan received from NS. After that beating - even if he didn't receive permanent injuries - they both knew that Ethan could NEVER go home to his daddy!! SS knew Ethan could NEVER speak to his daddy again (if that was even possible with his injuries) because the little guy would have told his father what happened or cried uncontrollably at the sound of his daddy's voice.
IMO after the first beating - there was no turning back for these monsters! Ethan's fate was sealed!!:furious: There was only one chance at stopping Ethan's torture and that was when NS's mother visited. She says she didn't see anything . Hard to believe-but, who knows how long she was there and if she actually saw him or if they told her he was taking a nap or something like what SS was telling Joe! I'll give her the benefit of a doubt till more cell phone snap shots are released.
:rose:RIP Little Man-Justice is coming!!

ITA. I think there came a point in time where NS and SS knew there was no going back. And they made the conscious decision to let Ethan die or finish him off.

alsmom
05-14-2010, 11:03 PM
I had to back out of this thread for awhile. Sorry if this has been said. I think after reading NS wedding page love for SS that he loved people to adore him. I'm sure Little Ethan was wary of him and his mother. She had abandon the child for heaven's sake. He barely knew her. I think NS probably freaked out when Ethan didn't adore him and "disciplined" him. I cannot imagine letting a boyfriend "discipline" or even look the wrong way at my child after a few days of his knowing the child. I would barely let my husband discipline my kids and they were his too. I know that I was a bit much on the other side, but surely it's not normal to let your boyfriend discipline a child he doesn't even know. Oh and discipline isn't whacking the child in the head. What a sadistic brute. I can't imagine that this child didn't have internal injuries also. Has that been touched on? Sorry, I just can't seem to read without getting overwhelmed.

I was rather pleased to see NS weeping in court. Is that how a "bad boy" acts? :rolleyes:

amysmom
05-14-2010, 11:17 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032510/Ethan-Stacy-always-wanted-to-be-loved-friend-says.html?s_cid=rss-30

Michelle Rodriguez (Joe's 1st wife) with Ethan & also her relationship with SS.

CCup
05-14-2010, 11:26 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032510/Ethan-Stacy-always-wanted-to-be-loved-friend-says.html?s_cid=rss-30

Michelle Rodriguez (Joe's 1st wife) with Ethan & her relationship with SS.

I so feel for Michelle. I can only imagine how hard it was to tell her children that their brother was dead. And those poor children are old enough to want details and for everyone to be completely honest with them.

Vegas Bride
05-14-2010, 11:28 PM
This morning I contacted Macy's Dept Store. Some here may not be aware that S & N were on their wedding registry (had many items picked out that they were hoping to have for wedding gifts, lots of crystal plus other high end items) I told them that they may not be wanting this couple as part of their registy considering what they did.
Tonight when I got home from work I had an email from someone in their customer service thanking me for contacting them and they would look into this sensitive matter.

I'm happy to say that now S & N are no longer listed on their registry.

I know this isn't changing a thing, but it just upset me to see them listed there like they were some normal happy couple.

VB

amysmom
05-14-2010, 11:38 PM
I so feel for Michelle. I can only imagine how hard it was to tell her children that their brother was dead. And those poor children are old enough to want details and for everyone to be completely honest with them.

I read (?) today that the boy (step-brother) is having a terrible time & not talking..Poor kid :(

It seems Michelle truly loved Ethan like her own..She's the total opposite of the Sloop creatures! :furious:

RubyRed
05-14-2010, 11:44 PM
ITA. I think there came a point in time where NS and SS knew there was no going back. And they made the conscious decision to let Ethan die or finish him off.

I have thought that just could never type it out. Those monsters.

RubyRed
05-14-2010, 11:49 PM
I had to back out of this thread for awhile. Sorry if this has been said. I think after reading NS wedding page love for SS that he loved people to adore him. I'm sure Little Ethan was wary of him and his mother. She had abandon the child for heaven's sake. He barely knew her. I think NS probably freaked out when Ethan didn't adore him and "disciplined" him. I cannot imagine letting a boyfriend "discipline" or even look the wrong way at my child after a few days of his knowing the child. I would barely let my husband discipline my kids and they were his too. I know that I was a bit much on the other side, but surely it's not normal to let your boyfriend discipline a child he doesn't even know. Oh and discipline isn't whacking the child in the head. What a sadistic brute. I can't imagine that this child didn't have internal injuries also. Has that been touched on? Sorry, I just can't seem to read without getting overwhelmed.

I was rather pleased to see NS weeping in court. Is that how a "bad boy" acts? :rolleyes:

It was said that LE know way more than what was released. Can this get anymore horrific? I think it is going to. I think he is blabbing her part in it, she was putting a lot of it on him.

Kat517
05-14-2010, 11:58 PM
A new lead

Friday afternoon, KSL also received a tip from an employee at a Best Buy in Ogden who told us he believes Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games.

We contacted investigators, who say this is a new lead. They believe it was likely Nathan and Stephanie based on statements Stephanie made to police. We'll keep you posted on any new developments.

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http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 12:01 AM
snipped

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

Wow. For them life goes on doesn't it? They didn't skip a beat.

Some reporters have describe Stephanie as looking as if she had been crying. I think she has naturally ruddy and blotchy skin. She doesn't seem upset at all. She probably isn't much upset and that's why her attorney had to mention that she, was otherwise who could tell?

Cubby
05-15-2010, 12:21 AM
A new lead

Friday afternoon, KSL also received a tip from an employee at a Best Buy in Ogden who told us he believes Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games.

We contacted investigators, who say this is a new lead. They believe it was likely Nathan and Stephanie based on statements Stephanie made to police. We'll keep you posted on any new developments



http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

Wow! I wonder how long Best Buy keeps their survellience video and if we might be seeing a very happy childless couple shopping together on the Monday they reported him missing. POS'S!

harleysnana
05-15-2010, 12:27 AM
I know that the judge ordered them held with no bail, but I wonder if that is because the attorneys requested it. Two articles are reporting it that way.

Oh sorry… I misunderstood your question.
In the press conference today the prosecutor said that when they took the
evidence to the judge he ordered NS to have no bond… and when they took
the new evidence to the judge he changed SS to have no bond… so IMO I
think it was the judges choice!

Quiche
05-15-2010, 12:29 AM
I haven't posted much on this thread, but I've been reading and following, and there is something that won't leave my mind... I could use some imput.

SS says that she brushed Ethan's teeth until they bled as she was scrubbing feces out of his mouth. :furious: Wouldn't those wounds introducing fecal matter cause a serious, even deadly infection? Also, the fluids they pushed on him... could they have caused deadly complications as well?

I see SS's hand very clearly in the possible homicide with just these two assaults.

I am weary and weak from trying to understand the horror Etan endured, this beautiful, innocent, and dear boy... I simply can't fully comprehend the cruelty. These two are an human aberration, they are he11 on earth, personified. May justice dispatch them swiftly.

Cubby
05-15-2010, 12:32 AM
None of the articles indicated either attorney asked for bail so I think they agreed to waive it based on their attorneys not requesting it.

KaylynnCouture
05-15-2010, 12:39 AM
None of the articles indicated either attorney asked for bail so I think they agreed to waive it based on their attorneys not requesting it.

I heard on the local news here tonight that both Nathan and Stacy agreed to waive bail until their May 28th court date.

truthsleuth
05-15-2010, 12:40 AM
I had to back out of this thread for awhile. Sorry if this has been said. I think after reading NS wedding page love for SS that he loved people to adore him. I'm sure Little Ethan was wary of him and his mother. She had abandon the child for heaven's sake. He barely knew her. I think NS probably freaked out when Ethan didn't adore him and "disciplined" him. I cannot imagine letting a boyfriend "discipline" or even look the wrong way at my child after a few days of his knowing the child. I would barely let my husband discipline my kids and they were his too. I know that I was a bit much on the other side, but surely it's not normal to let your boyfriend discipline a child he doesn't even know. Oh and discipline isn't whacking the child in the head. What a sadistic brute. I can't imagine that this child didn't have internal injuries also. Has that been touched on? Sorry, I just can't seem to read without getting overwhelmed.

I was rather pleased to see NS weeping in court. Is that how a "bad boy" acts? :rolleyes:

Bold by me above.

I was pleased about that at first as well, alsmom, until I realized that Nathan's tears are strictly for himself and the predicament in which he finds himself. He's far too self-centered to feel regret for the great harm and pain he inflicted on dear, sweet, 4-year-old Ethan.

Nathan Sloop is a ****. Always was, apparently; always will be.

P.S. Mental substitutions for **** are welcome by those reading this post. I'm trying very hard to avoid a time-out.

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 12:44 AM
http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/2034/203424/20342461.jpg

http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/2034/203424/20342461.jpg

truthsleuth
05-15-2010, 12:45 AM
I heard on the local news here tonight that both Nathan and Stacy agreed to waive bail until their May 28th court date.

Maybe their lawyers are under the impression that the public's anger and disgust about the killing of Ethan Stacey by his self-absorbed mother and stepfather will subside by May 28. I don't think it will ever subside. Not for me anyway. Not for most of us.

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 12:48 AM
Shopping at Best Buy and slushies. And Ethan is deceased at this point. This is surreal.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 12:49 AM
I haven't posted much on this thread, but I've been reading and following, and there is something that won't leave my mind... I could use some imput.

SS says that she brushed Ethan's teeth until they bled as she was scrubbing feces out of his mouth. :furious: Wouldn't those wounds introducing fecal matter cause a serious, even deadly infection? Also, the fluids they pushed on him... could they have caused deadly complications as well?

I see SS's hand very clearly in the possible homicide with just these two assaults.

I am weary and weak from trying to understand the horror Etan endured, this beautiful, innocent, and dear boy... I simply can't fully comprehend the cruelty. These two are an human aberration, they are he11 on earth, personified. May justice dispatch them swiftly.

Most of us are weary and exhausted from this case, trying to understand what happened is horrific and just to think of that adorable child going through all that torture is unbearable. I think you have plenty of company in feeling what you do. moo

Regarding the feces in the mouth: Nursebeeme had a theory that the feces was coffee ground like blood as a result of Ethan being punched in the gut. That coffee ground blood is sort of like an identifying factor for a stomach bleed. Also, the blood in the mouth could be a result of a cerebral hemorrage from the head injuries, and interpreted to be feces. The condition of the poor child at this point would be near death, if not dead and I can't fathom that Ethan had a bit of energy to put feces in his mouth - maybe mom did it to disguise something. Brushing the teeth till they bleed - one begins to think that crazy mom was psychotic, honest - what kind of person would do such a thing to a child laying in vomit and blood - I don't believe any of her stories and wonder what she was trying to do by such horrific, sadistic descriptions. Maybe that's the key - maybe she is sadistic and they weren't horrific to her. :eek: moo
Just writing this has left me ill once again. moo

ETA: Maybe she enjoys making up sick, sadistic events - taking pictures of sick, sadistic torture of her son...honest, maybe she really is that kind of sick person. That sure would explain all her sick stories about feces, brushing teeth till they bleed, smearing feces, shoving liquids down her child etc. yikes!

karma-girl
05-15-2010, 12:49 AM
I've been paying such close attention to the devastation in the Gulf and only now realized that Joe could have possibly known some of the men that were on that oil rig!!! Even if he did not, when you work such a dangerous job it forms a brotherhood...what I am saying is this man was probably already suffering so much, his son going to Utah against his wishes, the rig explosion where 11 men perished in his field of work...OMG, I pray that this man may have peace in his life! My heart truly aches for this gentleman, God bless you JS!!!

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 12:50 AM
A new lead




Friday afternoon, KSL also received a tip from an employee at a Best Buy in Ogden who told us he believes Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games.

We contacted investigators, who say this is a new lead. They believe it was likely Nathan and Stephanie based on statements Stephanie made to police. We'll keep you posted on any new developments.


http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 12:56 AM
Most of us are weary and exhausted from this case, trying to understand what happened is horrific and just to think of that adorable child going through all that torture is unbearable. I think you have plenty of company in feeling what you do. moo

Regarding the feces in the mouth: Nursebeeme had a theory that the feces was coffee ground like blood as a result of Ethan being punched in the gut. That coffee ground blood is sort of like an identifying factor for a stomach bleed. Also, the blood in the mouth could be a result of a cerebral hemorrage from the head injuries, and interpreted to be feces. The condition of the poor child at this point would be near death, if not dead and I can't fathom that Ethan had a bit of energy to put feces in his mouth - maybe mom did it to disguise something. Brushing the teeth till they bleed - one begins to think that crazy mom was psychotic, honest - what kind of person would do such a thing to a child laying in vomit and blood - I don't believe any of her stories and wonder what she was trying to do by such horrific, sadistic descriptions. Maybe that's the key - maybe she is sadistic and they weren't horrific to her. :eek: moo
Just writing this has left me ill once again. moo



This case is so difficult. To-day I was with my 5 year old grandson, and he got a small ouchy as he calls it, from a rose bush. His Dad had to get a band aid for him and kiss it better too. Poor Ethan I just can't comprehend the cruelty he suffered. How can people be so heartless?

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 12:56 AM
Shopping at Best Buy and slushies. And Ethan is deceased at this point. This is surreal.

Oh come on Ruby - 2 slushies - 2 cans of lighter fluid to disguise a dead child, don't we all do that on Mother's Day? :eek:

How horrific can this case get? It defies all reasoning, all reality, and seems like a terrible nightmare. Can't imagine the grieving family members - my heart goes out to each and every one of them. :blowkiss:

Vegas Bride
05-15-2010, 12:58 AM
I haven't posted much on this thread, but I've been reading and following, and there is something that won't leave my mind... I could use some imput.

SS says that she brushed Ethan's teeth until they bled as she was scrubbing feces out of his mouth. :furious: Wouldn't those wounds introducing fecal matter cause a serious, even deadly infection? Also, the fluids they pushed on him... could they have caused deadly complications as well?

I see SS's hand very clearly in the possible homicide with just these two assaults.

I am weary and weak from trying to understand the horror Etan endured, this beautiful, innocent, and dear boy... I simply can't fully comprehend the cruelty. These two are an human aberration, they are he11 on earth, personified. May justice dispatch them swiftly.

IMO she never brushed his teeth, I think this was a way for her to try and explain his blood, possibly his blood on her clothing etc. In her warped mind she thinks saying she was brusing his teeth would show she was taking care of him.
I will be interested to hear if a toothbrush has been found in the apartment to back up her claims.

VB

essies
05-15-2010, 01:02 AM
Wow! I wonder how long Best Buy keeps their survellience video and if we might be seeing a very happy childless couple shopping together on the Monday they reported him missing. POS'S!

I bet they still have them-it's less than 30 days since they were there!
I also want to see the Walmart tapes!:furious:

Vegas Bride
05-15-2010, 01:07 AM
I heard on the local news here tonight that both Nathan and Stacy agreed to waive bail until their May 28th court date.

Because they know they're safer in jail than out on bond!

I have to tell you, people here in Utah are in a real uproar about this awful murder, if they were released IMO someone would go target practicing.

VB

essies
05-15-2010, 01:12 AM
IMO she never brushed his teeth, I think this was a way for her to try and explain his blood, possibly his blood on her clothing etc. In her warped mind she thinks saying she was brusing his teeth would show she was taking care of him.
I will be interested to hear if a toothbrush has been found in the apartment to back up her claims.

VB

ITA
And as far as the fluids go-IMO they weren't trying to hydrate Ethan - they were "waterboarding" him! :furious: A legal form of torture used by the CIA on terrorist prisoners!!
Waterboarding
<snipped>
Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing the subject on his/her back with the head inclined downwards; water is then poured over the face into breathing passages, causing the captive to experience the sensations of drowning.[1][2] In contrast to submerging the head face-forward in water, waterboarding precipitates an almost immediate gag reflex.[3] It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, if uninterrupted, death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

amysmom
05-15-2010, 01:21 AM
I bet they still have them-it's less than 30 days since they were there!
I also want to see the Walmart tapes!:furious:

If for some reason they're not on tape let's hope they used a credit card.

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 01:26 AM
Oh come on Ruby - 2 slushies - 2 cans of lighter fluid to disguise a dead child, don't we all do that on Mother's Day? :eek:

How horrific can this case get? It defies all reasoning, all reality, and seems like a terrible nightmare. Can't imagine the grieving family members - my heart goes out to each and every one of them. :blowkiss:

This is worse then a horror flick. I think more horrific things are going to be released.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 01:27 AM
A new lead




Friday afternoon, KSL also received a tip from an employee at a Best Buy in Ogden who told us he believes Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games.

We contacted investigators, who say this is a new lead. They believe it was likely Nathan and Stephanie based on statements Stephanie made to police. We'll keep you posted on any new developments.


http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

:eek: That's one reason they called LE so late to report that Ethan wandered out of the apt. Once verified by LE I'll add it to the time-line. I'm at a loss for words. moo

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 01:31 AM
Because they know they're safer in jail than out on bond!

I have to tell you, people here in Utah are in a real uproar about this awful murder, if they were released IMO someone would go target practicing.

VB

They can torture and murder a child, but the cowards will not face adults. Too scared. They are pathetic.

amysmom
05-15-2010, 01:41 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15083168?source=rss

bbm

"The mother has abandoned the child and I'm afraid the mother will come and take him and I'll never see him again," Joe Stacy wrote in an emergency petition for temporary custody filed in November.

That request was denied. On April 28, Ethan arrived in Layton to spend the summer with his mother and her fiance.
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I'm confused if this (in bold) is accurate?..I thought Joe reported her behavior & voiced his concerns during the divorce proceedings vs emer hearing..I also didn't realize it was denied vs simply ignored even tho it still = the same thing.

NS's x-wife notified the court (& showed proof) of his sick threats in an effort to rid him of his visitation rights..It worked for her & their daughter..TG!..Joe was also threatened by NS but Ethan still had to spend the summer with him & SS..Could it be he had no proof?

CHICANA
05-15-2010, 01:56 AM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15083168?source=rss

bbm

"The mother has abandoned the child and I'm afraid the mother will come and take him and I'll never see him again," Joe Stacy wrote in an emergency petition for temporary custody filed in November.

That request was denied. On April 28, Ethan arrived in Layton to spend the summer with his mother and her fiance.
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I'm confused if this (in bold) is accurate?..I thought Joe reported her behavior & voiced his concerns during the divorce proceedings vs emer hearing..I also didn't realize it was denied vs simply ignored even tho it still = the same thing.

NS's x-wife notified the court (& showed proof) of his sick threats in an effort to rid him of his visitation rights..It worked for her & their daughter..TG!..Joe was also threatened by NS but Ethan still had to spend the summer with him & SS..Could it be he had no proof?


Since she did abandon him and hadn't seen him for months he might not have thought a judge would just send him off like that.
IMO, he didn't present evidence in court sufficient for the judge to deny the mother visitation.
I doubt it's uncommon in divorce cases for one parent to claim the other is unstable, there has to be evidence to back it up or the child is entitled to equal time with both parents.

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 02:43 AM
Does anyone have a guess as to why the maternal grandparents were barred from having contact with Joe, Ethan and Stephanie?

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 02:46 AM
Shelby's Law and what it might mean for the Sloops

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Shelbys-Law-and-what-it-might-mean-for-the-Sloops/83CF6xw0VECGOsaTyHQjBA.cspx

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 02:52 AM
:eek: That's one reason they called LE so late to report that Ethan wandered out of the apt. Once verified by LE I'll add it to the time-line. I'm at a loss for words. moo

Yes, this case is making me speechless too.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 03:21 AM
Does anyone have a guess as to why the maternal grandparents were barred from having contact with Joe, Ethan and Stephanie?
.
That's interesting! I was wondering about about her grandparents. Didn't know GP were barred from seeing all 3. Who barred them? Was it court ordered?

Maybe they were abusive. Involved with some kind of satanic abuse? Maybe Stephanie was severely abused as a child and she was reenacting out that sadistic abuse with her son, Ethan?

Obviously I'm trying to get some clues about her childhood - I can't make sense of why she would be a willing partner, and perhaps initiator, in the sadistic abuse and murder of her son.

If and when you find out the reasons, I hope you let us all know. TIA

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 03:33 AM
Eyes, it was part of the divorce agreement. I will keep my eye out for where it was mentioned. I thought it was odd that even Stephanie was protected from them. I too wonder about upringing and such that lead to what happened.

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 03:40 AM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032192/Ex-spouses-feared-couple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html?pg=2

(snip)
In their marital settlement agreement, the court prohibited Ethan's maternal grandmother and her husband from having any contacting with Ethan, Stephanie or Joe Stacy, but the documents did not indicate why.
The agreement was signed Feb. 3, 2010.

sleuthy sleutherson
05-15-2010, 04:08 AM
Because they know they're safer in jail than out on bond!

I have to tell you, people here in Utah are in a real uproar about this awful murder, if they were released IMO someone would go target practicing.

VB

Honestly, they should just let precious little Ethan's dad have his way with them. That would be far better punishment than lethal injection or sitting in jail the rest of their sorry self serving lives. OMG these two make me so ill! And please she is no model :loser: and I wouldn't even waste the title of mother and step father on these two, they are worthless egotistical EVIL monsters. Let them out on the streets and let Ethan's dad be the first one waiting for them.

monkeymama
05-15-2010, 06:51 AM
A new lead




Friday afternoon, KSL also received a tip from an employee at a Best Buy in Ogden who told us he believes Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games.

We contacted investigators, who say this is a new lead. They believe it was likely Nathan and Stephanie based on statements Stephanie made to police. We'll keep you posted on any new developments.


http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

I have been following another case, but when I read this, I almost died. This is my first post, and I'm sure I am going to say what everyone else has said, but if I don't, I may explode.
I feel so sorry for this boy's father. This should never have happened. To say SS was terrified is pure carp, imo. If someone was hurting my children and had a gun to my head, I would use my last breath to either scream, run, or do whatever it was in my power to stop them. I cannot believe these 'people' could go about their 'lives' and worry about getting their playstation fixed. :banghead::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Ok, I am going to take a time out, get in bed with my babies and hug them like there is no tomorrow.

Cornflower
05-15-2010, 08:26 AM
About the claim that S went to Las Vegas to be a police officer - thatīs a lie. She went there to get a new life, a new start without her husband and child. Being a mother and wife was not exciting enough for her, she wanted something different. I believe she manipulated everyone around her, wanted to get something useful from anyone she met. It will be very interesting to learn why she had banned her parents from her life.

I believe she had a big, BIG part in murdering Ethan. He meant nothing but a source of getting something (money) from Ethanīs Dad. Since she did not care for him I bet he just irritated her and N from the moment he arrived to that house. Being away from his real home and loving family members Ethan cried after his Dad, probably from the first night. I do not believe they waited ītil May 4th before they started punishing him. I think they started almost immediately. When I read how N had threatened his ex-wife over the phone it made me sick and now he had found his soulmate at S. If only Ethanīs Dad had known about the intimidation but how could he have?

I do not honestly care, if an adult woman is so stupid that she gets involved with a man with that kind of background well-knowing he is violent and has a crime record. I care about the kids who are dragged into a sick world where they get hurt, see things they should not see and have absolutely nobody who defends them.

cluciano63
05-15-2010, 10:51 AM
The thing about her parents being legally prevented from seeing Ethan is interesting...a judge would again, need evidence to determine this, something more than she did not want them to see him, as in most states, grandparents do have some rights. So there must be something there to make the courts agree that they have no contact with the the three of them. I was wondering why we have heard nothing from her side of the family.
If nothing else, it does indicate a very dysfunctional relationship, at the very least.

KaylynnCouture
05-15-2010, 11:18 AM
Just got back from Ethans memorial/vigil site. It's really growing. Lots of cards, stuffed animals, and flowers being left.

:rose: Fly with the angels Ethan. You're safe now.

RubyRed
05-15-2010, 11:24 AM
Just got back from Ethans memorial/vigil site. It's really growing. Lots of cards, stuffed animals, and flowers being left.

:rose: Fly with the angels Ethan. You're safe now.

That must be so emotional. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Ethan has touched so many hearts. I just wish I could turn back time and keep him safe.

KALI
05-15-2010, 11:30 AM
I had not thought of that. I'm pretty sure that Nathan had a toothbrush (sent by his dad). But they should test to see if there is blood and feces on it.


IMO she never brushed his teeth, I think this was a way for her to try and explain his blood, possibly his blood on her clothing etc. In her warped mind she thinks saying she was brusing his teeth would show she was taking care of him.
I will be interested to hear if a toothbrush has been found in the apartment to back up her claims.

VB

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:32 AM
Go after anyone you want - for me, I'll focus on the real perps and do what I can to prove them both murderers.

Also, I think Nate's mom will make an excellent witness for the prosecution. Also, I was informed it was the police who were told about a peanut allergy. We don't know what she was told and we don't know if that's the first time she ever saw Ethan. Do you know? Most people have no idea what a peanut allergy looks like, I only know because as a pharmacist, allergies and the symptoms that go along with them is/are always on my mind and I am keenly aware of them. Not everybody is. I understand people's need to go after Nate's mom, and until she is named as a POI, I chose to leave her out of my perp pic. MOO MHO and all that stuff

She injected herself into this when she claimed Ethan was ok on the date we have photographic evidence of the brutality that had already commenced. And please see nursie's post regarding the coloration and age of bruising and why she and most of us believe those injuries occurred long before that photo was taken. IMO, the prosecutor doesn't need her as an 'excellent witness'... and what sort of 'excellent witness' would she be if she thinks THAT is an "allergic reaction"?

As a nurse, I know what allergic reactions look like too. I also know that anyone with an IQ above 30 could look at that child and tell he had been severely beaten. If POS's mother WAS there on that day, and DID see Ethan and STILL wants to claim he was a-ok, then she needs to be institutionalized for her own protection and safety, because she's clearly too stupid be allowed out in public. And furthermore, I have faith that Mr. Rawlings and his staff can multi-task quite well. Personally, I want to know if there is any chance whatsoever that NS's mom could be considered a mandated reporter. Any chance at all. But even so, she needs to get seriously questioned and if it turns out she was there and did not notify police, charge her.

JMO, etc.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:38 AM
what link is that picture on please????

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3

KaylynnCouture
05-15-2010, 11:39 AM
That must be so emotional. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Ethan has touched so many hearts. I just wish I could turn back time and keep him safe.

It was so hard. :( My 7 year old even cried.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:39 AM
Ethan looks just like his daddy.....probably why SS enjoyed torturing him.

AND she knew just how much Joe adored that little boy.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:44 AM
ITA. I think there came a point in time where NS and SS knew there was no going back. And they made the conscious decision to let Ethan die or finish him off.

IMO, they decided they had to kill him; they'd been putting off Joe with his calls and had to know they couldn't do that any longer. I think this is why they also plotted the ruse that Ethan "ran away" long before he died. IMO.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:46 AM
This morning I contacted Macy's Dept Store. Some here may not be aware that S & N were on their wedding registry (had many items picked out that they were hoping to have for wedding gifts, lots of crystal plus other high end items) I told them that they may not be wanting this couple as part of their registy considering what they did.
Tonight when I got home from work I had an email from someone in their customer service thanking me for contacting them and they would look into this sensitive matter.

I'm happy to say that now S & N are no longer listed on their registry.

I know this isn't changing a thing, but it just upset me to see them listed there like they were some normal happy couple.

VB

Good job!

Bed bath and beyond needs to be contacted too. I guess it will have to be on Monday.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 11:49 AM
Maybe their lawyers are under the impression that the public's anger and disgust about the killing of Ethan Stacey by his self-absorbed mother and stepfather will subside by May 28. I don't think it will ever subside. Not for me anyway. Not for most of us.

They agreed to waive bail because they know on the outside they'd likely not survive until the next court date.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 12:00 PM
I watched the entire press conference. I'd had a glimmer of hope after reading comments about Mr. Rawlings by locals. When I received such a quick reply to my email (and one that indicated that they had read it) saying "We're on it", that glimmer of hope burned a little brighter.

After watching him at this press conference, I feel for the first time since this horror began like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Ethan and Joe and Michelle and her boys and all those who loved that little boy have one hell of a guy fighting in their corner. Mr. Rawlings is going to nail those two POS monsters to the wall. I have a new hero.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 12:07 PM
One thing Mr. Rawlings mentioned in the press conference how people from all over Utah and the country have notified his office, wanting to do something, anything, for Ethan's family. I agree, I feel that need too.

I also feel the need to do something for these amazing men and women who were able to solve this case so stunningly fast, and have worked round-the-clock to make certain these charges will stick, and who had to witness first-hand the brutality Ethan endured, both in the last days of his short life and after he was dead... and who have to face the POS monsters who killed Ethan, knowing they have to protect them and assure they are treated fairly. Somehow "thank you" is just not enough.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 12:09 PM
I watched the entire press conference. I'd had a glimmer of hope after reading comments about Mr. Rawlings by locals. When I received such a quick reply to my email (and one that indicated that they had read it) saying "We're on it", that glimmer of hope burned a little brighter.

After watching him at this press conference, I feel for the first time since this horror began like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Ethan and Joe and Michelle and her boys and all those who loved that little boy have one hell of a guy fighting in their corner. Mr. Rawlings is going to nail those two POS monsters to the wall. I have a new hero.

Isn't he wonderful? I'm so glad Ethan's got him on his side.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 12:22 PM
Isn't he wonderful? I'm so glad Ethan's got him on his side.

You know, he looks so mild-mannered and unassuming; quiet and polite and calm ... but looks can be deceiving. Ol' bad-boy Nater Bean probably looked at him and smirked. I suspect Mr. Rawlings' mild-mannered demeanor hides a veritable pit bull when it comes to prosecuting criminals, and especially ones that harm children.

The only slip... and it was brief and subtle... was when Mr. Rawlings commented on how, while NORMAL people were going about their lives, caring for their children and celebrating mother's day, these two monsters were brutalizing and killing a 4 year old boy. At that point you could see the anger bubble a bit to the surface. It wasn't lost on me that he mentioned Ethan being a visitor, implying that his father had sent his child to their community trusting he would return home safe. I think for him that adds even more determination to get this done and do it right.

If, God forbid, I or my loved ones were ever a victim of a crime, I would hope to have someone like Mr. Rawlings on my side. On the other hand, if I were a suspect in a crime, I would be terrified to know he was coming after me.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 12:24 PM
She injected herself into this when she claimed Ethan was ok on the date we have photographic evidence of the brutality that had already commenced. And please see nursie's post regarding the coloration and age of bruising and why she and most of us believe those injuries occurred long before that photo was taken. IMO, the prosecutor doesn't need her as an 'excellent witness'... and what sort of 'excellent witness' would she be if she thinks THAT is an "allergic reaction"?

As a nurse, I know what allergic reactions look like too. I also know that anyone with an IQ above 30 could look at that child and tell he had been severely beaten. If POS's mother WAS there on that day, and DID see Ethan and STILL wants to claim he was a-ok, then she needs to be institutionalized for her own protection and safety, because she's clearly too stupid be allowed out in public. And furthermore, I have faith that Mr. Rawlings and his staff can multi-task quite well. Personally, I want to know if there is any chance whatsoever that NS's mom could be considered a mandated reporter. Any chance at all. But even so, she needs to get seriously questioned and if it turns out she was there and did not notify police, charge her.

JMO, etc.

I try to read all the posts on this thread so people don't have to keep repeating themselves. I responded to nurses' post and am very much aware of the bruising and the time she took to educate those who are not medically oriented. I find your suggestion that people with an IQ over 30 should know all about allergies, especially peanut allergies, to be very condescending and I completely disagree with you. I have always found that people appreciate professionals who take the time to educate, I know I always do. moo

We don't know if Nate's mom ever met Ethan before this visit or if she even met him at all this time. What we do know is that she visited with two psychopathic liars who could have told her anything at all about the bruising o Ethan. Maybe she was told he fell on the plane, or fell off his bike, or lost his glasses and ran into the TV, or got into a fight with another child...we don't know and I can only imagine what her son and Stephanie may have told her.

Aside from all that, as I already have said, I choose to focus on the real perps, I usually do, and do what I can do to make sure they are charged with murder, that's why I put together that horrendous time-line. As I have said, I understand why yourself and others have a need to go after Nate's mom, but please leave me out of it. As I have said, she has not been named a POI or even mentioned by LE and, for now, I choose to leave her out of my perp list. Perhaps that will change, but for now, please allow me to do what I always do, that is to focus on the real perps in this case. Thanks in advance.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 12:33 PM
Last comment to you on this, promise.


I find your suggestion that people with an IQ over 30 should know all about allergies, especially peanut allergies, to be very condescending

That's not what I said.

"I also know that anyone with an IQ above 30 could look at that child and tell he had been severely beaten."

And I'll add that anyone with an IQ above 30 would know that his injuries were not due to the scenarios you mention.

Go after POS's mom? Damn straight. If she was telling the truth and saw him that day, then applicable charges need to be filed against her. If you want to give her a pass, that's your prerogative.

essies
05-15-2010, 12:40 PM
I want to hear what the demeanor of SS and NS was at the courthouse when they got married - knowing they had locked up a critically injured child!:furious:
I'm sure investigators have interviewed the clerks and Justice of the Peace who were there! Wonder if SS took any wedding pictures on her cell phone to memorialize the event?:furious:

Calliope
05-15-2010, 12:43 PM
I want to hear what the demeanor of SS and NS was at the courthouse when they got married - knowing they had locked up a critically injured child!:furious:
I'm sure investigators have interviewed the clerks and Justice of the Peace who were there! Wonder if SS took any wedding pictures on her cell phone to memorialize the event?:furious:

The day after they claim he died and they brutalized his body even in death, the day they reported he "ran away", they were getting their playstation fixed and buying games. :furious:

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 12:50 PM
[quote=Calliope;5189882]Last comment to you on this, promise.



That's not what I said.

"I also know that anyone with an IQ above 30 could look at that child and tell he had been severely beaten."

And I'll add that anyone with an IQ above 30 would know that his injuries were not due to the scenarios you mention.

Go after POS's mom? Damn straight. If she was telling the truth and saw him that day, then applicable charges need to be filed against her. If you want to give her a pass, that's your prerogative.[/QUOTE


Using a person's IQ to base 'assumption of knowledge' does not hold true, not in my profession as a pharmacist nor any profession. So thanks for your input!

Cornflower
05-15-2010, 12:55 PM
I have been wondering what S and N told their relatives as a reason why they changed their wedding plans? Did they have any family with them at all when they got married? I would think Nīs mother wasnīt the only one who knew Ethan was staying with them at that time. Didnīt anyone wonder where he was when her mother got married?

About Nīs mother: of course she saw this coming, she knew what her son was like.

I have a brother who is a drug addict and has been in and out of prison for numerous times. When he is on drugs he can be violent, unpredictable and there is not a chance I trust anything he says. I donīt accept what he does but I love him still. When Iīm tired and donīt want to talk to him and would rather just give up, I know that God loves him though I am too p***d off at that moment. But even if I love him it doesnīt change the fact that I KNOW he can do bad, evil things. When I read local news I am always prepared to find out that heīs been on business again. I honestly believe that everyone who has had a family member with drug-related psychiatric problems knows that they can do just about anything.

I am sorry if I offend someone but honestly: Nīs mother should have been more observant since she knew what kind of trouble her son has had.

Cher352
05-15-2010, 12:55 PM
nathan sloop probable cause statement
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

stephanie sloop probable cause statement
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/c/6/e/c6ed48bd-0288-413a-8e91-2a2a7e69229a/Probable_Cause_Stephanie_C_Sloop.pdf

The is such a shocking, tragic case!! I was up to early this morning trying to catch up on this case as I spent the whole week with my sister in the hospital. I have read through the 4 threads but did so rather quickly but I didn't see these 2 thoughts mentioned:

Doesn't anyone else think that Nathan might not have just died from abusive injuries? According to SS's statement, she went to the drugstore to get an RX for NS at 0500 on the 9th and when she returned NS told her Ethan was dead. I wonder if while she was out NS went in the bedroom and actually killed the child by suffocation or some other means.

Also when thinking about their hydration attempts, where they really trying to rehydrate him or were they trying to flush some drug they had given him out of his system?

Hopeful that ME will be able to determine whether either of these are true or not.

Kat
05-15-2010, 12:55 PM
I want to hear what the demeanor of SS and NS was at the courthouse when they got married - knowing they had locked up a critically injured child!:furious:
I'm sure investigators have interviewed the clerks and Justice of the Peace who were there! Wonder if SS took any wedding pictures on her cell phone to memorialize the event?:furious:

essies, I am wondering if the courthouse has security that involves video cameras at the entrances and the common areas?

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 01:00 PM
I have talked to someone who has viewed a clear copy of that grainy photo that was shown on the news of Ethan sitting next to the monster. There is no way the injury and swelling/bruising that Ethan had to face could be mistaken for a peanut allergy.


The only thing I can surmise is that Nate's mom saw Ethan before the injury that day or she is lying that Ethan "was fine".

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 01:01 PM
The is such a shocking, tragic case!! I was up to early this morning trying to catch up on this case as I spent the whole week with my sister in the hospital. I have read through the 4 threads but did so rather quickly but I didn't see these 2 thoughts mentioned:

Doesn't anyone else think that Nathan might not have just died from abusive injuries? According to SS's statement, she went to the drugstore to get an RX for NS at 0500 on the 9th and when she returned NS told her Ethan was dead. I wonder if while she was out NS went in the bedroom and actually killed the child by suffocation or some other means.

Also when thinking about their hydration attempts, where they really trying to rehydrate him or were they trying to flush some drug they had given him out of his system?

Hopeful that ME will be able to determine whether either of these are true or not.

BBM (bolded by me)

Can't tell you how many times I've wondered the same exact thing as you about flushing drugs from his system. How completely sick that would be if true! :eek: moo

essies
05-15-2010, 01:01 PM
The day after they claim he died and they brutalized his body even in death, the day they reported he "ran away", they were getting their playstation fixed and buying games. :furious:
Well, we know what their priorities were!! Let's get the Playstation fixed and we'll take care of that other problem when we get back home!!:furious:
I want to hear what BB employees have to say about that too!! What was their story about their PS3! I bet NS or Ghost broke it in a fit of rage-like the jail door!!:banghead:
By the way-BB won't fix a PS3-they send it to Sony!

: ps3 Broken, can it be fixed?Options

07-28-2009 08:38 AM

Geeksquad would send it off to Sony and it would cost you fortune to have it repaired. You would be better off calling Sony and see what their price is or just buy another PS3.

http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming-Gadgets-and-eReaders/ps3-Broken-can-it-be-fixed/m-p/42405

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 01:04 PM
I have talked to someone who has viewed a clear copy of that grainy photo that was shown on the news of Ethan sitting next to the monster. There is no way the injury and swelling/bruising that Ethan had to face could be mistaken for a peanut allergy.


The only thing I can surmise is that Nate's mom saw Ethan before the injury that day or she is lying that Ethan "was fine".

I was informed that the 'peanut allergy' story was given to the police, we have no idea what they told Nate's mom, if anything. moo

Cher352
05-15-2010, 01:08 PM
I have talked to someone who has viewed a clear copy of that grainy photo that was shown on the news of Ethan sitting next to the monster. There is no way the injury and swelling/bruising that Ethan had to face could be mistaken for a peanut allergy.


The only thing I can surmise is that Nate's mom saw Ethan before the injury that day or she is lying that Ethan "was fine".

I watched that interview last night but I can't remember did NS's mom mention at time of day it was that she visited with them?

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:10 PM
I have talked to someone who has viewed a clear copy of that grainy photo that was shown on the news of Ethan sitting next to the monster. There is no way the injury and swelling/bruising that Ethan had to face could be mistaken for a peanut allergy.


The only thing I can surmise is that Nate's mom saw Ethan before the injury that day or she is lying that Ethan "was fine".

One or the other. No other choices IMO.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 01:11 PM
I was informed that the 'peanut allergy' story was given to the police, we have no idea what they told Nate's mom, if anything. moo



I don't care if they told her he fell down the stairs, ran into a door or was in a car accident.


He clearly wasn't FINE. That was my point.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 01:11 PM
One or the other. No other choices IMO.


I agree.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 01:12 PM
BBM (bolded by me)

Can't tell you how many times I've wondered the same exact thing as you about flushing drugs from his system. How completely sick that would be if true! :eek: moo

OH EYES!!!!

I just had THE MOST TERRIBLE thought!!!! and I am certain I cannot post it...

flushing drugs from his body?
stool rubbed on wall?

Follow me?

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:14 PM
I watched that interview last night but I can't remember did NS's mom mention at time of day it was that she visited with them?

If it was that day, then Ethan had those injuries. Nursie posted on last thread (sorry, don't have link right now... maybe she'll repost it) descriptions of bruising and how to tell the age of the injuries d/t coloration. It's pretty obvious those injuries were caused at least a day maybe two days prior. That level of bruising did not occur the same day the photo was taken. IMO, they began brutalizing this child from the start.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 01:16 PM
I don't care if they told her he fell down the stairs, ran into a door or was in a car accident.


He clearly wasn't FINE. That was my point.

Sorry, I didn't understand that was what your post meant. For the sake of rumor control, I feel we need to establish if Nate's mom ever met Ethan that day or any other day. just my opinion cause I hate rumors. moo

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:17 PM
I don't care if they told her he fell down the stairs, ran into a door or was in a car accident.


He clearly wasn't FINE. That was my point.

And clearly had NOT received any medical attention.

IMO, the fruit didn't fall far from the tree.

ci2i
05-15-2010, 01:19 PM
I have been a long time lurker here. I have been so profoundly affected by this case, that I felt the need to post. I thought I had seen and heard it all, but clearly this is not the case. I cannot get the images of Ethan out of my head and at times I find myself crying for him. As crazy as it sounds, I feel like a part of me has died and I wonder if I will ever be the same again. I alternate between anger and sadness and can only hope that justice will be served for this angelic little boy and his family.

Thanks for letting me vent.

mysticrose
05-15-2010, 01:20 PM
I certainly believe NS mother saw Ethan earlier in the day befor any abuse. I see no indications from this woman that she would lie for her son, not at all...IMO that woman is devestated over what has happened here.

Quiche
05-15-2010, 01:21 PM
Well, we know what their priorities were!! Let's get the Playstation fixed and we'll take care of that other problem when we get back home!!:furious:
I want to hear what BB employees have to say about that too!! What was their story about their PS3! I bet NS or Ghost broke it in a fit of rage-like the jail door!!:banghead:
By the way-BB won't fix a PS3-they send it to Sony!

: ps3 Broken, can it be fixed?Options

07-28-2009 08:38 AM

Geeksquad would send it off to Sony and it would cost you fortune to have it repaired. You would be better off calling Sony and see what their price is or just buy another PS3.

http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming-Gadgets-and-eReaders/ps3-Broken-can-it-be-fixed/m-p/42405

I wonder if Ethan was blamed for the PS breaking... it was obviously working when that horrid photo was taken. Seems like they were "fixing" everything that was wrong that day. Despicable-- ugh, no word I know can describe these two!

As for Nater's mom-- we'll see how she responds to his charges. If she shows up insisting that he could never do such a thing, I would be inclined to think she looked the other way and she saw Ethan's injuries.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 01:22 PM
I certainly believe NS mother saw Ethan earlier in the day befor any abuse. I see no indications from this woman that she would lie for her son, not at all...IMO that woman is devestated over what has happened here.


I agree.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:25 PM
The is such a shocking, tragic case!! I was up to early this morning trying to catch up on this case as I spent the whole week with my sister in the hospital. I have read through the 4 threads but did so rather quickly but I didn't see these 2 thoughts mentioned:

Doesn't anyone else think that Nathan might not have just died from abusive injuries? According to SS's statement, she went to the drugstore to get an RX for NS at 0500 on the 9th and when she returned NS told her Ethan was dead. I wonder if while she was out NS went in the bedroom and actually killed the child by suffocation or some other means.

Also when thinking about their hydration attempts, where they really trying to rehydrate him or were they trying to flush some drug they had given him out of his system?

Hopeful that ME will be able to determine whether either of these are true or not.

Mr. Rawlings' warning was not to take their affidavit "as the Bible". Clearly evidence is going to emerge that is far worse than what we've already heard. They were not trying to "rehydrate" I think we'll all agree on that. They didn't give a damn if he was dehydrated.

Looking at the injuries in that early photo, and given that the police have stated his injuries grew progressively worse, that child could not swallow. In that early photo, it appears he can't even manage his own secretions. And it only got worse.

IMO, IF they did this, it was to further torture him. Someone mentioned 'waterboarding'. Essentially, that's what they were doing. JMO, of course.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 01:26 PM
I certainly believe NS mother saw Ethan earlier in the day befor any abuse. I see no indications from this woman that she would lie for her son, not at all...IMO that woman is devestated over what has happened here.

I agree! And what a horrible rumor to start if she never met the child that day or, as you suggest, she met him before the abuse. For all we know she could have been told he was sleeping, the same kind of excuses Nate and Stephanie gave Ethan's dad when he called. moo

nursebeeme
05-15-2010, 01:28 PM
If it was that day, then Ethan had those injuries. Nursie posted on last thread (sorry, don't have link right now... maybe she'll repost it) descriptions of bruising and how to tell the age of the injuries d/t coloration. It's pretty obvious those injuries were caused at least a day maybe two days prior. That level of bruising did not occur the same day the photo was taken. IMO, they began brutalizing this child from the start.

here it is :-)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3

nursebeeme
05-15-2010, 01:31 PM
I agree! And what a horrible rumor to start if she never met the child that day or, as you suggest, she met him before the abuse. For all we know she could have been told he was sleeping, the same kind of excuses Nate and Stephanie gave Ethan's dad when he called. moo
I agree... we don't yet know the "capacity" in which she "saw him". (and if was just repeating what the sloops told her... "he is fine" etc)

Bottom line: I am sure that she has been interviewed.

mysticrose
05-15-2010, 01:38 PM
here it is :-)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5183846&postcount=103)

I did not see in this article if the degree of force would change the time as far as swelling and bruising goes ...Like being hit really hard with alot of force vs. falling and hitting your jaw would the bruising and swelling be more quick do to the force vs the other ? did that make sense ?

Also when I saw that picture first I was appalled that the SOB had Ethan on his lap like everything is OK Buddy :furious: but the first thought was that his jaw was broken....moo of course

Quiche
05-15-2010, 01:41 PM
Mr. Rawlings' warning was not to take their affidavit "as the Bible". Clearly evidence is going to emerge that is far worse than what we've already heard. They were not trying to "rehydrate" I think we'll all agree on that. They didn't give a damn if he was dehydrated.

Looking at the injuries in that early photo, and given that the police have stated his injuries grew progressively worse, that child could not swallow. In that early photo, it appears he can't even manage his own secretions. And it only got worse.

IMO, IF they did this, it was to further torture him. Someone mentioned 'waterboarding'. Essentially, that's what they were doing. JMO, of course.

I think it's possible he may have drowned. jmo :(

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:42 PM
I agree.

I don't.

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=97728

He was kind, and fought for the underdog. She was a sensitive spirit and wanted to give to others. They were excited that Ethan was coming to visit.

She saw him on Wednesday, the day before she left town. Not likely she'd get confused about the day she saw him. Indicates that it may have been that night. She says they were well and happy and yada yada yada.

All I hear is someone making excuse after excuse, and IF she saw him on that day... she's also lying through her teeth.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 01:43 PM
here it is :-)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5183846&postcount=103)

The ME surely has his hands full with this case trying to establish which trauma was pre or post-mortem. Luckily the are cell photos that will surely help this case.
I agree with the dating of bruises but when fractures are invoved and hematomas develop due to bones breaking, further injuring blood vessels I think it throws the bruising chart forward 12 hours or so...
I hate to say it but...
I feel like his jaw and perhaps even his nose were fractured in the grainy photo. The nasal bridge (to me appears flat) is not as prominent as it is in every other one of the pics af Ethan we have seen.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 01:45 PM
The ME surely has his hands fuul with this case trying to establish which trauma was pre or post-mortem. Luckily the are cell photos that will surely help this case.
I agree with the dating of bruises but when fractures are invoved and hematomas develop due to bones breaking, further injuring blood vessels I think it throws the bruising chart forward 12 hours or so...
I hate to say it but...
I feel like his jaw and perhaps even his nose were fractured in the grainy photo. The nasal bridge (to me appears flat) is not as prominent as it is in every other one of the pics af Ethan we have seen.

Judging from his ear and eye, very possible his skull had been fractured as well.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 01:49 PM
For the sake of rumor control, I feel we need to establish if Nate's mom ever met Ethan that day or any other day. just my opinion cause I hate rumors. moo

Thanks, eyes. I agree.

- Nathan's mother says in her video interview that she saw Ethan that day. I'm not sure why you're questioning whether she saw him.

Her full interview is on this page. Scroll down on the left hand side. It's called P. Sloop Interview (her first name is spelled out in full on the link).

- There is still a question of what time she saw Ethan. We don't know if she saw him before or after he was beaten.

Personally, I think LE, if they haven't already, need to call her in and question her carefully to determine what time she saw Ethan that day in relation to what time he was beaten.

- I keep seeing references to peanut allergy. I already looked up and posted the link. Nathan said to LE that the reason Ethan's face was swollen was a peanut allergy.

I don't know why there are these constant references to a peanut allergy in regards to Nathan's mother, since there hasn't been anything related.

- Accusations against, and vilification of, this woman are uncalled for at this point, since we don't have a clue what time she saw Ethan, and whether it was before or after he was beaten.


Let LE and the prosecutor do their jobs. They've shown us that they are dedicated to Ethan, and are going above and beyond to bring him justice. If Nathan's mother did anything wrong, we can be confident they will take care of it.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 01:50 PM
Judging from his ear and eye, very possible his skull had been fractured as well.

I agree! just now way to back my opinion up based on a photo tho. Serious skull fractures are easily identified by feeling the skull. (all skull fractures are serious but ya know what I mean.) If there is a goose egg or a hard knot on a childs skull where the injury occured (say a fall) there usually is not a fracture. HOWEVER if the area on the child's skull feels "boggy" or "spongy" a fracture is almost 100%

I wish the photo was clearer!

BeanE
05-15-2010, 01:52 PM
I agree... we don't yet know the "capacity" in which she "saw him". (and if was just repeating what the sloops told her... "he is fine" etc)

Bottom line: I am sure that she has been interviewed.

O/T - I saw you are now verified on Websleuths as an R.N., nurse. Thanks so much for doing that! Great to have you as one of our professional posters :)

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 02:00 PM
I agree! And what a horrible rumor to start if she never met the child that day or, as you suggest, she met him before the abuse. For all we know she could have been told he was sleeping, the same kind of excuses Nate and Stephanie gave Ethan's dad when he called. moo


http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=97728

This is his mom's interview. She said she saw all three of them on Wednesday. They were all happy and well and fine.


She mentions that Stephanie came to her house that night. I wonder if that is when the abuse took place. She left Ethan alone with Nate and came home and he had beat Ethan.

monkeymama
05-15-2010, 02:03 PM
I apologize if this has already been answered and I missed it. In a previous thread someone from the apartment complex stated that there was a note on the door claiming the POSs didn't live there, they were visitors. Has anyone found anything that proves otherwise? If they were visitors, who were they staying with and where are they?

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 02:05 PM
I apologize if this has already been answered and I missed it. In a previous thread someone from the apartment complex stated that there was a note on the door claiming the POSs didn't live there, they were visitors. Has anyone found anything that proves otherwise? If they were visitors, who were they staying with and where are they?


They lived there, they had just gotten the apartment and moved in.

Nathan's mom even says that in her interview posted above.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 02:07 PM
I certainly believe NS mother saw Ethan earlier in the day befor any abuse. I see no indications from this woman that she would lie for her son, not at all...IMO that woman is devestated over what has happened here.


Thanks, eyes. I agree.

- Nathan's mother says in her video interview that she saw Ethan that day. I'm not sure why you're questioning whether she saw him.

Her full interview is on this page. Scroll down on the left hand side. It's called P. Sloop Interview (her first name is spelled out in full on the link).

- There is still a question of what time she saw Ethan. We don't know if she saw him before or after he was beaten.

Personally, I think LE, if they haven't already, need to call her in and question her carefully to determine what time she saw Ethan that day in relation to what time he was beaten.

- I keep seeing references to peanut allergy. I already looked up and posted the link. Nathan said to LE that the reason Ethan's face was swollen was a peanut allergy.

I don't know why there are these constant references to a peanut allergy in regards to Nathan's mother, since there hasn't been anything related.

- Accusations against, and vilification of, this woman are uncalled for at this point, since we don't have a clue what time she saw Ethan, and whether it was before or after he was beaten.


Let LE and the prosecutor do their jobs. They've shown us that they are dedicated to Ethan, and are going above and beyond to bring him justice. If Nathan's mother did anything wrong, we can be confident they will take care of it.

Yes you did correct me regarding the peanut allergy - and it came up again so I responded to it. Seeing Steph and .Nate told police that it was due to a peanut allergy, it's not unthinkable they also told his mom the same thing. Nate's mom does mention in the video she saw all three and I'm afraid I missed that earlier on when I watched it. I was taken aback by her grief and missed that part I guess.

I am sure she has already been interviewed by LE, probably one of the first they talked with. And I agree, they are on top of this crime and would have charged her if there was any evidence of her colluding with Nate and Steph. regarding their murder of Ethan.

She hasn't been named a POI nor has LE mentioned her as being suspect in this case, so I'm confused as to why she is being discussed in such pejorative terms. moo tia

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 02:17 PM
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=97728

This is his mom's interview. She said she saw all three of them on Wednesday. They were all happy and well and fine.


She mentions that Stephanie came to her house that night. I wonder if that is when the abuse took place. She left Ethan alone with Nate and came home and he had beat Ethan.

I bet you're right on about that - could very well be the 1st of the abuse. What a complete nightmare this case is. :eek:

alsmom
05-15-2010, 02:21 PM
Bold by me above.

I was pleased about that at first as well, alsmom, until I realized that Nathan's tears are strictly for himself and the predicament in which he finds himself. He's far too self-centered to feel regret for the great harm and pain he inflicted on dear, sweet, 4-year-old Ethan.

Nathan Sloop is a ****. Always was, apparently; always will be.

P.S. Mental substitutions for **** are welcome by those reading this post. I'm trying very hard to avoid a time-out.

Oh yeah, the crying is strictly for himself. But it's amusing because he's supposed to be a big bad butt. I wish someone would have whacked him up the side of the head and told him to shut up the heck up during his breakdown. He's not going to do too well in prison. :dance:

BeanE
05-15-2010, 02:24 PM
I apologize if this has already been answered and I missed it. In a previous thread someone from the apartment complex stated that there was a note on the door claiming the POSs didn't live there, they were visitors. Has anyone found anything that proves otherwise? If they were visitors, who were they staying with and where are they?


05-12-2010, 08:38 PM
Demzyy

I need some help guys
We got a notice on our door today from our apartment complex's manager stating that the Sloops were not lease holders here, they were simply visiting a friend living here. I need to find out if that is valid, I feel like it's a lie.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #2


I had seen in a news article the day or the day before Demzyy posted that the Sloops were just visiting friends and didn't live there. I'll try to find the article in a little bit. I have a couple things I need to do right now.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 02:25 PM
Oh yeah, the crying is strictly for himself. But it's amusing because he's supposed to be a big bad butt. I wish someone would have whacked him up the side of the head and told him to shut up the heck up during his breakdown. He's not going to do too well in prison.

MOO the crying is to attempt to get sympathy. From who? HECK if I know but I bet HE can turn them on and off like a hosepipe. And AWWW he wants his mommy to visit him... sniff sniff HE should be told NEVER! We will never let you see your mother again!
I bet Ethan wishes he could be alive and see his mommy too.:furious:

BeanE
05-15-2010, 02:30 PM
http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?articleID=97728

This is his mom's interview. She said she saw all three of them on Wednesday. They were all happy and well and fine.


She mentions that Stephanie came to her house that night. I wonder if that is when the abuse took place. She left Ethan alone with Nate and came home and he had beat Ethan.


I bet you're right on about that - could very well be the 1st of the abuse. What a complete nightmare this case is. :eek:



Stephanie was home when Nathan beat Ethan that day (May 5).

Stephanie's probable cause statement says she was there, that he took Ethan in the bedroom, closed the door, she could hear the sounds of him beating Ethan, Nathan came out, she went into the bedroom and saw that Ethan's head had been battered.

3rd PDF page
http://heraldextra.com/pdf_81e27cde-5ee7-11df-9a0a-001cc4c002e0.html

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 02:34 PM
The point is PST says she saw Ethan on Wednesday, the same day as the bruise pic. Those inuries happened days before and what we see in that pic is what PST saw. Bottom line. How could she look at that and and say everything was fine? So I'm not sure where there is any confusion left.

IMO, that's a valid question and not vilification.

I've been a mom for several decades now. My kids have had all kinds of allergies and accidents. My son had two concussions before the age of 12. And yet my kids never looked like that. I've never seen anyone else's kid look like that either.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 02:50 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032192/Ex-spouses-feared-couple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html?pg=2

(snip)
In their marital settlement agreement, the court prohibited Ethan's maternal grandmother and her husband from having any contacting with Ethan, Stephanie or Joe Stacy, but the documents did not indicate why.
The agreement was signed Feb. 3, 2010.

It may be very likely Stephanie initiated a restraining order against her own parents. Joe Stacy said Stephanie initiated the restraining order against Michelle. Maybe restraining orders are one way Stephanie tries to wield control over people?

If SS is manipulative and self-seeking to no end, and she found one way that really works in her favor (and also brings in the "authority" of the "authorities" to back her up), she'd go back to that method again and again.

And typing this just now, I can see how her thoughts may have turned to a career in law enforcement. Maybe Stephanie has more of a hunger for power, control, and authority than we may have previously guessed? I couldn't see how in the world she'd want a career in LE, but looking at it this way, it makes all the sense in the world.

What a winner.

Jaxson
05-15-2010, 02:51 PM
I think it does matter how hard you are hit. I was in an abusive relationship for 17 years and was hit many times and for the most part the bad bruising showed up the next day. However there were at least two occasions that the swelling and bruising was almost immediate. One of the times was when I was backhanded and he hit me in the cheekbone. This happened in front of a lot of people, police were called and arrived within minutes. I was taken to the hospital because they thought my cheekbone was broken. They took pictures of my face while I was in the emergency room and the bruising and swelling was horrible within an hour. I looked like I had a baseball under my skin. This happened on Oct. 29th and two weeks later at my daughters birthday party (Nov 14th) the pictures still show a golf ball sized swelling (it was hard not soft) and they were not sure that it would ever go completely back down. I believe that the picture of Ethan on the 4th of May could have been taken shortly after he was beaten because of how similar his bruising looks to mine. That would also fit based on the abuser being sorry and trying to make up and be nice (in Ethan's case by playing video games with him). And no I am not in that relationship anymore.

J

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 02:52 PM
Stephanie was home when Nathan beat Ethan that day (May 5).

Stephanie's probable cause statement says she was there, that he took Ethan in the bedroom, closed the door, she could hear the sounds of him beating Ethan, Nathan came out, she went into the bedroom and saw that Ethan's head had been battered.

3rd PDF page
http://heraldextra.com/pdf_81e27cde-5ee7-11df-9a0a-001cc4c002e0.html

Darlin gal and the video reminded me that Steph went over to Nate's mother's house that evening - so I'm guessing she saw her twice that day? I'm getting confused because I have no idea as to what times are being referred to - probably the reason I'm obsessed with time-lines. Matter of fact, I would include her visit at the apartment and at her place of residence on my time-line if someone would tell me the times of the day they occurred. I'm choosing to opt out of this discussion of Nate's mom knowing about Ethan's facial injuries, at least until LE names her as a co-conspirator in this case. But I will put the visits on the time-line - can somebody please give me the times. Thank you!

sunflowerchick
05-15-2010, 02:58 PM
I will start by saying I am NOT an RN or even in the medical field so I hate to disagree with those who are, BUT...

About a year ago, I fell and smacked my cheekbone on something, hard... It bruised to a black and purple color almost instantly on the entire side of my face. I had a black eye, cheek, forehead and chin. There was little swelling, but the bruising was horrific and occurred within a couple of hours. It looked like I had been hit in the face.

I have to disagree with those who say Ethan's injuries would have happened days before. If the face is hit hard enough (and I hate saying that in this context), it will bruise quickly. To me, his injuries look "fresh", because of the swelling and because of the redness along with the bruising. Point is, I think it is plausible that Ethan was "fine" with NS's mother saw them, and I also think it is plausible that the abuse started exactly when this picture was taken.

ETA: I am saying this for timeline purposes, not for discussion about NS's mother. I believe that this woman probably feels incredibly guilty, sad and upset by this whole thing. I think none of us can even imagine what she must be going through.

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 03:00 PM
FWIW, doesn't the probable cause affidavit say the first documented pic of the abuse occured May 4th? The pic we see is from May 5th. So we know for a fact that the abuse started before PST was there.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 03:01 PM
I think it does matter how hard you are hit. I was in an abusive relationship for 17 years and was hit many times and for the most part the bad bruising showed up the next day. However there were at least two occasions that the swelling and bruising was almost immediate. One of the times was when I was backhanded and he hit me in the cheekbone. This happened in front of a lot of people, police were called and arrived within minutes. I was taken to the hospital because they thought my cheekbone was broken. They took pictures of my face while I was in the emergency room and the bruising and swelling was horrible within an hour. I looked like I had a baseball under my skin. This happened on Oct. 29th and two weeks later at my daughters birthday party (Nov 14th) the pictures still show a golf ball sized swelling (it was hard not soft) and they were not sure that it would ever go completely back down. I believe that the picture of Ethan on the 4th of May could have been taken shortly after he was beaten because of how similar his bruising looks to mine. That would also fit based on the abuser being sorry and trying to make up and be nice (in Ethan's case by playing video games with him). And no I am not in that relationship anymore.

J

That's what I tought. I think because the are so many more blood vessels supplying the head and face it may be the reason bruising appears more rapily as well.

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 03:02 PM
Well then, if bruises appeared immediately then he would have been bruised on May 4th and May 5th. Just sayin.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 03:04 PM
Darlin gal and the video reminded me that Steph went over to Nate's mother's house that evening - so I'm guessing she saw her twice that day? I'm getting confused because I have no idea as to what times are being referred to - probably the reason I'm obsessed with time-lines. Matter of fact, I would include her visit at the apartment and at her place of residence on my time-line if someone would tell me the times of the day they occurred. I'm choosing to opt out of this discussion of Nate's mom knowing about Ethan's facial injuries, at least until LE names her as a co-conspirator in this case. But I will put the visits on the time-line - can somebody please give me the times. Thank you!



The times have not been mentioned anywhere that I know of, hon.

SuziQ
05-15-2010, 03:08 PM
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

Page 3 says, In a photo with a time date stamp of May 4, 2010, Ethan has a large, and very noticeable area of swelling to the jaw and face.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 03:10 PM
WARNING: GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING.
Thought I would bring the time line forward for the members and guests.
Ethan's slow deterioration time-line of hell! 5th revision (05/15/10 - eyes4crime).


April 28th - Wednesday
Finalizing divorce papers in Florida, Ethan and mom Stephanie fly to Utah

May 4th - Tuesday
Last time Ethan talks with dad Joe
First of many cell phone pictures mom takes of abuse over the days.
Picture time-stamped May 4th of Ethan with large, notable, area of swelling to jaw and face.

May5th - Wednesday
Nate's mom visits - says all is fine
Stephanie visits Nate's mom
Nate takes Ethan in bedroom to punish and beats child around head area; face begins to swell.
Stephanie continues to complain about Ethan's behaviort. Ethan's father, Joe Stacey, was told his son wasn't available to talk with, a trend that continues through Ethan's limited stay.

Between May 5 and May 8
Ethan "exhibits signs and symptoms of a possible head injury or brain swelling due to a head injury,"

Stephanie Sloop told police Tuesday while being interviewed about her son's death. Ethan did not eat well, was vomiting, lethargic and exhibited non-responsive behavior, according to the reports.

May 6th - Thursday (wedding day)
Ethan locked in bedroom while Stephanie and Nate marry; door knob taken off. Nate and Stephanie leave child in bedroom due to swelling and bruises.

Over the next several days, Ethan got progressively ill, police said Stephanie Sloop told detectives. He was vomiting, running a fever and would not eat. The couple forced the boy to drink two 16 oz. bottles of water, a bottle of KoolAid and orange juice in a two-hour period, police wrote in the jail statement. (from warrant of probable cause). Motrin and Benadryl were given for the swelling and Nate gave Benadryl so Ethan would stay quiet.

Thurs May 6 or Fri May 7:
Neighbor recalls seeing Stephanie walking away from the apartment seemingly agitated and stopping to look back at the apartment several times. A short time later Nathan followed her, put his hands on her face in a manner leading the neighbor to believe he was asking she please listen to him.

May 7th - Friday
Nate calls Stephanie to inform her Ethan is badly burned on hands, feet, and legs up to buttox area from running water in bath (claims Ethan turned on hot water). Stephanie finds human feces in child's mouth. Stephanie brushes Ethan's teeth until his gums bleed.

May 8th - Saturday
Child continues to suffer from scald burns and head injuries. Blood and vomit found in child's bed. Stephanie needs to wash bed sheets.

'Stephanie told us that on 05/08/2010 Ethan smeared his feces on the bathroom wall and on Nate."

May 9th - Sunday (Mother's Day)
Ethan is found dead in bed - Stephanie reports Ethan feels cold and stiff

Ethan wrapped in garbage bags with tape, brought to Powder Mountain area for burial. Hammer used to disfigure facial features and teeth of Ethan. Stephanie buys 2 slushies and 2 cans lighter fluid to destroy evidence.

May 10th (Monday)
Reported that Nate and Stephanie were shopping at Best Buy for video games and to fix Play Station 3
Nate talked with Joe rather than Stephanie
Late in day Stephanie reports child missing Make up story about child leaving the apt. 5x in in last 10 days in middle of night.

May 11th (Tuesday)
LE finds child buried - teeth and face smashed in with hammer, lighter fluid used to destroy evidence.

Please let me know of any additions or deletions. TIA
Thanks to all of you with suggestions for additions/corrections - used every one of them.

Warrant of Probable Cause: Most of the time-line comes from this document. Quotes, and LE media leases.
(Nathan Probable Cause)
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

(Stephanie Probable Cause)
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/c/6/e/c6ed48bd-0288-413a-8e91-2a2a7e69229a/Probable_Cause_Stephanie_C_Sloop.pdf

laytonian
05-15-2010, 03:18 PM
ETA: I am saying this for timeline purposes, not for discussion about NS's mother. I believe that this woman probably feels incredibly guilty, sad and upset by this whole thing. I think none of us can even imagine what she must be going through.

It is a crime here (Utah) to NOT report such abuse. (click! (http://www.preventchildabuseutah.org/reportingabuse.html)).

An obviously-injured child who is not treated for his injuries, IMO, is a victim of abuse NO MATTER HOW that injury occurred.

There is a photo timestamped May 4th, showing such abuse.
NS's mother saw him once or twice the next day. As a parent myself, I do not feel a bit bad when I say that NS's mother may be culpable in the child's death.

In fact, I believe it's wrong to coddle someone in such a case; isn't this how child abuse is perpetuated, by "feeling sorry" for people?

I've seen parents hit their kids at the grocery store, and I've spoken to them. I've been told to "mind your own business" -- by OTHER customers!

Please do not make those of us who care, the bad people.

I'm sorry, but we're talking about a family who believes onions can lead you to Jesus, and that you should proselytize to the refrigerator repair man (click! (http://www.facebook.com/people/Pamela-Sloop-Taylor/1397207203#!/pages/KINGorliarcom/357247442370)). Yet, their own son was in and out of prison, charged with abuse of a wife, and an injured child was ignored.

I will GLADLY apologize when I'm proven wrong.

mysticrose
05-15-2010, 03:19 PM
So they didnt take poor Ethan in to seek medical care because they were afraid they would be arrested for child abuse, now they are arrested hopefully for murder charges I wonder how thats working out for them....

I wholeheartedly believe this mother has everything to do with this just as well, buying lighter fluid to help burn Ethans body really ! Totally WTH and she was ok with that apparently ... This whole case is just beyond comprehension for me ...

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 03:24 PM
So they didnt take poor Ethan in to seek medical care because they were afraid they would be arrested for child abuse, now they are arrested hopefully for murder charges I wonder how thats working out for them....

I wholeheartedly believe this mother has everything to do with this just as well, buying lighter fluid to help burn Ethans body really ! Totally WTH and she was ok with that apparently ... This whole case is just beyond comprehension for me ...

Let's not forget that when buying the lighter fluid, she also bought slushies! Really beyond comprehension and reality if you ask me.

Herding Cats
05-15-2010, 03:29 PM
Regarding the bruising...

I came off my horse badly. He spooked, I got caught up on a fence, and slammed the ground with my face (unable to get hands in front to protect myself). Taken to the ER fairly quickly. They xrayed my face, and I had a broken nose in two places, and two cracks in my eye socket (occipital cup). I had a significant concussion, and my left leg (the one that got wrapped over the fence) was also xrayed, but it was not broken.

The next day (approximately 16 hours later), I had one amazingly colored black eye, swelling in my face, bruising down into my neck, and my leg was purple/black from knee to toes.

It was utterly amazing what colors I turned, and so fast. I was red when I was in the ER, but by the next morning, I had rainbows all over my face and leg.

I don't doubt Ethan had been brutalized in the preceeding 24 hours. I don't know if it was longer, but the black/purple indicates to me fresh bleeding. There is no evidence of yellowing, or greening...both of which happen when the internal bleeds stop, and the body can start breaking down the blood trapped under the skin. Fresh bleeding occurs with red, black, purple coloring; my leg was so bad that I didn't clear the bruise for close to a month, and it cleared from center outward.

Based on my own experience, and the child/elder abuse lectures I've had in nursing school, I'd say he is within 24 hours of being hit. Probably more like 12-18, but certainly no longer than 24 hours earlier.

And I echo whomever it was that said anyone with some sense of intelligence would note that this was not a peanut allergy; further, if it was claimed it was a peanut allergy to someone, the next question is "did you get medical help?" and there is no indication that the question was asked...

Also, in looking at the photo, I see that the bruising/swelling is not confined to the left side of his face; the swelling and distortion of his mouth indicate to me that the right side of his face was also battered...badly.

Just my opinion, as always.

Best-
Herding Cats

essies
05-15-2010, 03:30 PM
Well, let's think about this a minute. NS beats Ethan and does more damage than he thought could happen. Ethan is hysterical! Here Ethan-take the motrin for the pain and swelling and take the benedryl so you calm down and stop crying! Steph-take a picture of me and Ethan playing together! See, everything is just fine!
Ethan-wake up! What's wrong? Oh s**t!
IMO I think at this point they knew that they had to make a plan to get rid of Ethan. Can't take him for medical care-injuries would show child abuse! Can't let that happen-we have plans-we're getting married and we can have more anyway!:furious:
Now, as ghastly as this is, why did NS subject Ethan to scalding water, burns and forced fluids? After they had decided (IMO) that Ethan couldn't live-they still could not muster up any shred of mercy?:furious:
It's hard to believe we share the same planet with monsters like these!!:banghead:

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 03:34 PM
Well, let's think about this a minute. NS beats Ethan and does more damage than he thought could happen. Ethan is hysterical! Here Ethan-take the motrin for the pain and swelling and take the benedryl so you calm down and stop crying! Steph-take a picture of me and Ethan playing together! See, everything is just fine!
Ethan-wake up! What's wrong? Oh s**t!
IMO I think at this point they knew that they had to make a plan to get rid of Ethan. Can't take him for medical care-injuries would show child abuse! Can't let that happen-we have plans-we're getting married and we can have more anyway!:furious:
Now, as ghastly as this is, why did NS subject Ethan to scalding water, burns and forced fluids? After they had decided (IMO) that Ethan couldn't live-they still could not muster up any shred of mercy?:furious:
It's hard to believe we share the same planet with monsters like these!!:banghead:

Excellent speculative scenario, essies. And you could be right. It's possible.

In any case, however it began, I think SS and NS escalated the abuse because of their selfish, irrational, violent natures. I don't think it ever crossed their minds for one moment to choose the right thing at any point in time. I think every single decision made was made in their own best interest.

Ethan never had a chance.

ci2i
05-15-2010, 03:35 PM
This just gets worse and worse. For me, this is quite possibly the most horrendous case I have ever read. To think he was already being abused and then most likely asked to "smile" for the camera in subsequent pictures, makes my utterly nauseated. Honestly, there are just no words to describe this whole scenario.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:36 PM
The point is PST says she saw Ethan on Wednesday, the same day as the bruise pic. Those inuries happened days before and what we see in that pic is what PST saw. Bottom line. How could she look at that and and say everything was fine? So I'm not sure where there is any confusion left.

The date stamped on the picture is May 5.

Per the probable cause statement, May 5 is the day the first beating occurred.

May 5 is the day Nathan's mother saw Ethan. We don't know what time Nathan's mother saw Ethan - before the beating or after the beating.

If you have something that refutes the probable cause statement's date of the first beating, please provide a link.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 03:37 PM
Not trying to start a rumor...
just asking for others opinion on the subject.
I will try to be as polite as possible (tactful) here.

Flushing Ethan with fluids.
Stool smearing etc...
Does anyone else think Ethan could have been carrying drugs (internally) on the plane for the POS's and got a blockage?

I know that sounds awful! just trying to put 2 and 2 together...

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 03:38 PM
And Leomoon80 over in the Astros thread wrote that up to May 1st, Ethan was well loved, secure, and well cared for by his dad. He lived with no anxiety or fear.

So...he went from that safe, loving, secure environment right into the mouths of wolves. He must've been absolutely terrified. He probably thought of his dad the whole time.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:40 PM
Darlin gal and the video reminded me that Steph went over to Nate's mother's house that evening - so I'm guessing she saw her twice that day? I'm getting confused because I have no idea as to what times are being referred to - probably the reason I'm obsessed with time-lines. Matter of fact, I would include her visit at the apartment and at her place of residence on my time-line if someone would tell me the times of the day they occurred. I'm choosing to opt out of this discussion of Nate's mom knowing about Ethan's facial injuries, at least until LE names her as a co-conspirator in this case. But I will put the visits on the time-line - can somebody please give me the times. Thank you!

Unfortunately, we don't have times. She only said 'day' for when she saw all three of them, which could have been any time that day (24 hours), and she said 'night' when Stephanie went over, which would be between whichever hours she considers night. I've known people who refer to afternoon as night.

There's nothing to indicate time for the beating in the probable cause statement.

If there's a time on the pic along with that date of May 5, all we can say is 'before xxx time'.

I'm afraid we just don't have times, eyes.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Not trying to start a rumor...
just asking for others opinion on the subject.
I will try to be as polite as possible (tactful) here.

Flushing Ethan with fluids.
Stool smearing etc...
Does anyone else think Ethan could have been carrying drugs (internally) on the plane for the POS's and got a blockage?

I know that sounds awful! just trying to put 2 and 2 together...

It's possible, gngr~snap. Personally, I think it's unlikely because I don't think a verbal, expressive four-year-old would not communicate discomfort in some way. I think any measure of expression on Ethan's face or in his demeanor might've tipped off someone in airport security.

We could also research the specific airport they departed from. If it's an airport that's utilizing full-body scans, wouldn't something like that appear in the body scan image?

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:44 PM
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

Page 3 says, In a photo with a time date stamp of May 4, 2010, Ethan has a large, and very noticeable area of swelling to the jaw and face.

Okay, that changes things. I was going by Stephanie's probable cause statement, which gives May 5 as the date of the first beating, and the pic from the video which is date stamped May 5.

Unless the May 4 in Nathan's probable cause statement is a typo, then I have to agree that no matter what time his mother saw Nathan on May 5, she saw injuries to his face. :(

cluciano63
05-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Who would have put the drugs in him? It would have had to happened in Virginia? I think these two had access to drugs on their own, if they were using them.

laytonian
05-15-2010, 03:49 PM
The date stamped on the picture is May 5.

Per the probable cause statement, May 5 is the day the first beating occurred.

May 5 is the day Nathan's mother saw Ethan. We don't know what time Nathan's mother saw Ethan - before the beating or after the beating.

If you have something that refutes the probable cause statement's date of the first beating, please provide a link.

The probable cause statement for Nathan Sloop (http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf) clearly states that an image showing injuries is timestamped May 4th.

See page 3.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 03:49 PM
Who would have put the drugs in him? It would have had to happened in Virginia? I think these two had access to drugs on their own, if they were using them.

SS would have. She flew with him.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:50 PM
Well, let's think about this a minute. NS beats Ethan and does more damage than he thought could happen. Ethan is hysterical! Here Ethan-take the motrin for the pain and swelling and take the benedryl so you calm down and stop crying! Steph-take a picture of me and Ethan playing together! See, everything is just fine!
Ethan-wake up! What's wrong? Oh s**t!
IMO I think at this point they knew that they had to make a plan to get rid of Ethan. Can't take him for medical care-injuries would show child abuse! Can't let that happen-we have plans-we're getting married and we can have more anyway!:furious:
Now, as ghastly as this is, why did NS subject Ethan to scalding water, burns and forced fluids? After they had decided (IMO) that Ethan couldn't live-they still could not muster up any shred of mercy?:furious:
It's hard to believe we share the same planet with monsters like these!!:banghead:

Personally, I think both of them were torturing Ethan for their enjoyment. Everything else they were doing - getting married, getting slurpies, playing ps3, has a 'fun' theme to it. Taking pictures of Ethan's injuries, and videos of his suffering, seems to fit a 'fun' theme.

I think they were on a sick high (and I don't mean drugs) and having a grand old time that week, including torturing Ethan.

Natural born killers.

essies
05-15-2010, 03:51 PM
This just gets worse and worse. For me, this is quite possibly the most horrendous case I have ever read. To think he was already being abused and then most likely asked to "smile" for the camera in subsequent pictures, makes my utterly nauseated. Honestly, there are just no words to describe this whole scenario.

:Welcome-12-june:ci2i
You're absolutely right on! This just gets worse and worse and we don't even know everything yet. To me-this is harder to handle than little Caylee's case!! There must be a special circle of Hell for these people!:furious:

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 03:51 PM
The probable cause statement for Nathan Sloop (http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf) clearly states that an image showing injuries is timestamped May 4th.

See page 3.

It just occurred to me...we aren't aware how many photos there are, right? Those details have never been revealed to us? We don't really have any confirmation when the first photo was taken, the last one, how many altogether.... ??? Perhaps we've only been shown the worst? The first? Perhaps the only photo that's "palatable" enough for the public?

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:52 PM
The probable cause statement for Nathan Sloop (http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf) clearly states that an image showing injuries is timestamped May 4th.

See page 3.

Yes, I just posted about that.

laytonian
05-15-2010, 03:53 PM
It just occurred to me...we aren't aware how many photos there are, right? Those details have never been revealed to us? We don't really have any confirmation when the first photo was taken, the last one, how many altogether.... ??? Perhaps we've only been shown the worst? The first? Perhaps the only photo that's "palatable" enough for the public?

....and we don't know the date of that one, do we? In the one we see, the child is clearly lethargic.

This thread is moving so fast, I haven't had time to check if this has been mentioned today:

Last evening, our local news reported that the Sloops went shopping on May 10th for video games and electronics.

laytonian
05-15-2010, 03:54 PM
Yes, I just posted about that.

I see that now; SuzyQ, you and I were posting about at the same time. :blushing:

BeanE
05-15-2010, 03:57 PM
....and we don't know the date of that one, do we? In the one we see, the child is clearly lethargic.

This thread is moving so fast, I haven't had time to check if this has been mentioned today:

Last evening, our local news reported that the Sloops went shopping on May 10th for video games and electronics.

Link for the Best Buy shopping for video games:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:02 PM
It's possible, gngr~snap. Personally, I think it's unlikely because I don't think a verbal, expressive four-year-old would not communicate discomfort in some way. I think any measure of expression on Ethan's face or in his demeanor might've tipped off someone in airport security.

We could also research the specific airport they departed from. If it's an airport that's utilizing full-body scans, wouldn't something like that appear in the body scan image?

He flew out from Virginia didn't he? Maybe they don't send small children through them? I don't know what airports have what but I was at the Atl airport recently and the woman sitting beside the scanner machines wasn't even looking at it! She was hamming it up with another airport employee. I remember thinkng "great I'm about to send my daughter to Seattle the other side of the US! all by herself and YOU aren't doing your job!"

OK she was 17 but I'm stilll a mamma!

The smearing and the desecration is what really got me thinking... was POS trying to retrieve something?
While alive was he trying to get Ethan to pass something?

Jaxson
05-15-2010, 04:06 PM
I thought the POS knew how to manufacture his own drugs based on previous criminal charges.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:06 PM
Woman recalls seeing Ethan Stacy days before he died
May 14th, 2010 @ 5:36pm
By Becky Bruce

SALT LAKE CITY -- A woman who says she had a run-in with Nathan Sloop still lives next door to his old house. She says she got a glimpse of Ethan Stacy just days before he died.

Rheta Phillips says she saw Nathan Sloop just a couple of weeks ago as he returned to her street to finish moving out.

"And that little boy came with a woman that was helping them move stuff, and he was putting toys in the trailer," Phillips says. "I thought, ‘Ah, bless his heart.' But he seemed very nervous. He turned around, and this lady had gone back to get something, and he put down his toys and ran after her."

It was much later, when Phillips heard about the arrest, that she realized who that little boy was.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10778071

I can't believe this journalist didn't quote what DAY this witness saw him. "...a couple of weeks ago..." ??? That should've been the first detail quoted.

Anyway, this could've helped so much with the timeline.

laytonian
05-15-2010, 04:08 PM
Link for the Best Buy shopping for video games:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

Thank you; I should have included that.

"... were shopping there on Monday, May 10, trying to fix their Playstation 3 and shopping for video games."

How did the Playstation break, between when we see NS playing with it in that picture? Or should I say HOW? Was something wrong with the game, and he blamed Ethan? (If I were the investigators, I'd take that Playstation in as evidence and see if there's any blood on it OR if any of Ethan's injuries match the PS.)

If "eyes" is tracking their movements for timeline purposes, here's the address of the Best Buy they'd have shopped at, on May 10th:

4177 Riverdale Rd
Riverdale, UT 84405
Mon: 10am-9pm

Jaxson
05-15-2010, 04:09 PM
She saw him while they were moving from Nathan's house to the apartment. It would have been in the first fews days he was there so between the 1st and the 4th when the abuse started.

laytonian
05-15-2010, 04:11 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10778071

I can't believe this journalist didn't quote what DAY this witness saw him. "...a couple of weeks ago..." ??? That should've been the first detail quoted.

Anyway, this could've helped so much with the timeline.

Having spent (literally) months building the timeline on the Steven Koecher case, I can tell you that nothing's more irritating than reports without dates and/or times.

It's the big elephant in the room in the Susan Powell case, too: when did JP return home, and on what date(s) and time(s) did he have the rental car. It's always expressed as "a couple days later".

ARRRGGGH.

We're lucky on the Koecher case, to have had the family's initial input (because they needed the info, too!)

I have to hand it to "eyes" -- for putting the info together with such flabby reports ;)

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:12 PM
He flew out from Virginia didn't he? Maybe they don't send small children through them? I don't know what airports have what but I was at the Atl airport recently and the woman sitting beside the scanner machines wasn't even looking at it! She was hamming it up with another airport employee. I remember thinkng "great I'm about to send my daughter to Seattle the other side of the US! all by herself and YOU aren't doing your job!"

OK she was 17 but I'm stilll a mamma!

The smearing and the desecration is what really got me thinking... was POS trying to retrieve something?
While alive was he trying to get Ethan to pass something?

Honestly, I'm not sure if he flew out of Virginia or not. Seems like I read somewhere he flew out of Florida. I'll have to verify that.

But either way, the person who views the full-body scans (the ones that are able to get images of the body inside the clothes) is in a remote location and doesn't have face-to-face contact with passengers. Maybe the woman in your experience who wasn't doing her job was in charge of scanning the bags and stuff? I don't know, just throwing out possibilities.

Back to your point...the drugs. I do think it's possible. I think it's improbable because of Ethan's age, but that's JMO. This case has really shaken my faith in my own ability to judge what some people are capable of! Know what I mean??

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:14 PM
Best Buy I am sure has a record of what was bought that day...
They were reportedly there to "fix" their Playstation... My guess is that's just what they told the sales person. My guess is the needed to replace the RCA plugs or AV hook up cable because theirs were buried or thrown out somewhere...

Upon purchasing these types of games they usually tell you to keep the box in case they "break" because you must ship them back to the manufacturer for repair.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:19 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if he flew out of Virginia or not. Seems like I read somewhere he flew out of Florida. I'll have to verify that.

But either way, the person who views the full-body scans (the ones that are able to get images of the body inside the clothes) is in a remote location and doesn't have face-to-face contact with passengers. Maybe the woman in your experience who wasn't doing her job was in charge of scanning the bags and stuff? I don't know, just throwing out possibilities.

Back to your point...the drugs. I do think it's possible. I think it's improbable because of Ethan's age, but that's JMO. This case has really shaken my faith in my own ability to judge what some people are capable of! Know what I mean??

BBM yes she was. Not looking at the bags through the x-ray machine. We walked through a metal detector I know, is that a body scanner too?

If it was Florida wasn't that where mom POS lived?

IF something like that had happened they prob wouldn't release the info.
They never released the Sandra Cantu info did they? because it was too
graphic

I doubt we will ever see any of the pictures dated after May 5 either. I would look at them ,but I am sure they would haunt me...

laytonian
05-15-2010, 04:23 PM
BBM yes she was. Not looking at the bags through the x-ray machine. We walked through a metal detector I know, is that a body scanner too?

The metal detector and the full-body scanner are two different things.

You walk slowly through a metal detector.

When you go through the full-body scanner, you enter a semi-cylinder, stand on two foot-print shaped markings, hold your hands up, and the machine whirls around you quickly. You then wait a few seconds until the "clear" report comes back.

If you'd been through a scanner, you'd know it ;)

laytonian
05-15-2010, 04:26 PM
Best Buy I am sure has a record of what was bought that day...
They were reportedly there to "fix" their Playstation... My guess is that's just what they told the sales person. My guess is the needed to replace the RCA plugs or AV hook up cable because theirs were buried or thrown out somewhere...

Upon purchasing these types of games they usually tell you to keep the box in case they "break" because you must ship them back to the manufacturer for repair.

Yes, but we have a picture of NS playing with it, and Ethan sitting beside him.

That's why I, for one, am suspicious. And maybe the cords were broken during (use your imagination).

nursebeeme
05-15-2010, 04:27 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if he flew out of Virginia or not. Seems like I read somewhere he flew out of Florida. I'll have to verify that.

But either way, the person who views the full-body scans (the ones that are able to get images of the body inside the clothes) is in a remote location and doesn't have face-to-face contact with passengers. Maybe the woman in your experience who wasn't doing her job was in charge of scanning the bags and stuff? I don't know, just throwing out possibilities.

Back to your point...the drugs. I do think it's possible. I think it's improbable because of Ethan's age, but that's JMO. This case has really shaken my faith in my own ability to judge what some people are capable of! Know what I mean??
I, as well, recall reading that he flew out of florida.. and than Dad moved back to his hometown in Virginia kind of concurrently.

My opinion on drugs being planted in Ethan/flushing them out: no imhoo.

Her whole story about feces (several mentions in the probable cause statement) are just (imhoo) her attempt to account for what crime scene techs/ME would eventually find. HOWEVER. I personally don't think it was feces... just what she thought was feces. I think it was coffee ground emesis due to internal injury. She also did quite a thorough job of trying to cover why he may have had bleeding in his mouth (she claims to have brushed his teeth until his gums bled).

I personally do not believe any account that Stephanie has provided. I think that her accounts speak to what evidence may be found but the vehicle/timing/mechanism by which they happened may be completely different. I think she was in CYA mode. Completely.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 04:30 PM
Yes, but we have a picture of NS playing with it, and Ethan sitting beside him.

That's why I, for one, am suspicious. And maybe the cords were broken during (use your imagination).





We see them playing a video game. We don't know it's PS3.

It could be the XBox360 or the Wi.

A lot of people have more than one gaming systems.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:33 PM
Yes, but we have a picture of NS playing with it, and Ethan sitting beside him.

That's why I, for one, am suspicious. And maybe the cords were broken during (use your imagination).

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10769121

The article states SS and NS were there to have their "Playstation 3" repaired.

If I'm not mistaken, the Playstation 3 is a game console -- not a handheld game system like the one pictured in the photo of Ethan playing with NS. I'm thinking they went to Best Buy for repairs of an electronic other than the one in the photo.

ETA: I'm led to believe it's not a Playstation 3 in the photo because both Ethan and NS are looking down at what NS is holding, and that's "game posture" (my phrase) most people use when looking at a handheld screen and playing.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 04:33 PM
Are we sure Ethan flew in on May 1st. Seems that somewhere I read he came in on April 28th. Anyone know for sure? TIA

Cher352
05-15-2010, 04:35 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if he flew out of Virginia or not. Seems like I read somewhere he flew out of Florida. I'll have to verify that.

But either way, the person who views the full-body scans (the ones that are able to get images of the body inside the clothes) is in a remote location and doesn't have face-to-face contact with passengers. Maybe the woman in your experience who wasn't doing her job was in charge of scanning the bags and stuff? I don't know, just throwing out possibilities.

Back to your point...the drugs. I do think it's possible. I think it's improbable because of Ethan's age, but that's JMO. This case has really shaken my faith in my own ability to judge what some people are capable of! Know what I mean??

Sounds like they flew out of Orlando to me.


Ethan’s parents finalized their divorce April 28 in Florida, where they lived during their five-year marriage.

After signing the papers, Joe Stacy, 35, went to Virginia, his childhood home he had returned to in December. Ethan and Stephanie Stacy, 27, boarded a plane bound for Utah, where she had moved to after a brief stay in Las Vegas.

http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/father_of_ethan_stacy_i_didnt_have_any_choice/46167/

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:35 PM
We see them playing a video game. We don't know it's PS3.

It could be the XBox360 or the Wi.

A lot of people have more than one gaming systems.

Agreed. Sorry, darlin gal. I didn't see your post.

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 04:35 PM
I, as well, recall reading that he flew out of florida.. and than Dad moved back to his hometown in Virginia kind of concurrently.

My opinion on drugs being planted in Ethan/flushing them out: no imhoo.

Her whole story about feces (several mentions in the probable cause statement) are just (imhoo) her attempt to account for what crime scene techs/ME would eventually find. HOWEVER. I personally don't think it was feces... just what she thought was feces. I think it was coffee ground emesis due to internal injury. She also did quite a thorough job of trying to cover why he may have had bleeding in his mouth (she claims to have brushed his teeth until his gums bled).

I personally do not believe any account that Stephanie has provided. I think that her accounts speak to what evidence may be found but the vehicle/timing/mechanism by which they happened may be completely different. I think she was in CYA mode. Completely.



I think it was feces.

I have been told that although Ethan was potty-trained, on rare occasions he would have an #2 accident. Being how he was under stress, not wanting to go with mom and not being happy being in a new situation, I think he had an accident and it set Nathan off. I think Nathan put the feces in his mouth.

BeanE
05-15-2010, 04:36 PM
Are we sure Ethan flew in on May 1st. Seems that somewhere I read he came in on April 28th. Anyone know for sure? TIA

April 28: Stephanie Stacy and Joe Stacy finalize their divorce in Florida. She flies with 4-year-old Ethan to Utah to live with her fiancé Nathan Sloop; Joe Stacy travels to Virginia.

http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/father_of_ethan_stacy_i_didnt_have_any_choice/46167/

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:41 PM
In the May 5th pic POS and Ethan are holding the same cordless controller it looks like to me. Ethan is holding the game controller with his R hand and POS is holding it with his L. POS is holding on to Ethan by R shoulder/upper arm with his R hand. IMO Ethan had tried to get down/away from him before the pic was snaped or POS is having to actually hold Ethan up.... I wish it was clearer!
MOO

ETA it was a video screen shot NOT a pic my bad!

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:42 PM
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100409/articles/4091012


The Orlando International Airport also is not on the TSA list of airports that have or will soon be getting the scanners.

No body scanners in Orlando.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 04:42 PM
April 28: Stephanie Stacy and Joe Stacy finalize their divorce in Florida. She flies with 4-year-old Ethan to Utah to live with her fiancé Nathan Sloop; Joe Stacy travels to Virginia.

http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/father_of_ethan_stacy_i_didnt_have_any_choice/46167/

Thanks I'll change the time-line for the gazillinze time.

Cubby
05-15-2010, 04:45 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15083168?source=rss

bbm

"The mother has abandoned the child and I'm afraid the mother will come and take him and I'll never see him again," Joe Stacy wrote in an emergency petition for temporary custody filed in November.

That request was denied. On April 28, Ethan arrived in Layton to spend the summer with his mother and her fiance.
--------
I'm confused if this (in bold) is accurate?..I thought Joe reported her behavior & voiced his concerns during the divorce proceedings vs emer hearing..I also didn't realize it was denied vs simply ignored even tho it still = the same thing.

NS's x-wife notified the court (& showed proof) of his sick threats in an effort to rid him of his visitation rights..It worked for her & their daughter..TG!..Joe was also threatened by NS but Ethan still had to spend the summer with him & SS..Could it be he had no proof?

It's been reported that the judge hearing the divorce heard an agreement made between Joe and Stephanie thorugh a mediator. The judge ONLY heard the info on the agreement. There are some media articles about this and some were previously posted.

hth

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 04:45 PM
Thanks I'll change the time-line for the gazillinze time.

:) (A gazillion pats on the back) Keep up the awesome work, eyes4crime. You know we all deeply, deeply appreciate all the sweat and headache you put into that timeline.

Consider it art -- a continually evolving work in progress. As sad as the subject is, the product is something to behold.

(roses & applause)

Amster
05-15-2010, 04:49 PM
Personally, I think both of them were torturing Ethan for their enjoyment. Everything else they were doing - getting married, getting slurpies, playing ps3, has a 'fun' theme to it. Taking pictures of Ethan's injuries, and videos of his suffering, seems to fit a 'fun' theme.

I think they were on a sick high (and I don't mean drugs) and having a grand old time that week, including torturing Ethan.

Natural born killers.

Sadly, I believe you're right. I think those pics were for their own amusement. I also thought maybe she took them to send to dad. To torture him, also. But, that doesn't make sense...unless they were going to disappear.

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:50 PM
So no body scanner...

I hope I am wrong!
The ME has a hard job to do with this case. I hope he/she takes all the time they need. I know others have commented about why they felt like feces was on the wall. I just don't believe Ethan was the one that did the smearing.

Cubby
05-15-2010, 04:50 PM
Does anyone have a guess as to why the maternal grandparents were barred from having contact with Joe, Ethan and Stephanie?


I'm still catching up, but good question. I haven't been able to find any info reported about Stephanies famil. One of the media articles where NS asked for his mom to be permitted to visit him in jail, the article mentions something like only one of the suspects family was in court. I don't know if SS has any relationship with her family or not. Haven't checked todays media, but thus far really no info on her fam.

It is a guess but they might have no contact and not has contact in some time.


JMO

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:51 PM
Sadly, I believe you're right. I think those pics were for their own amusement. I also thought maybe she took them to send to dad. To torture him, also. But, that doesn't make sense...unless they were going to disappear.

I had wondered if they weren't planning on killing themselves...
Something POS wrote in her wedding page about not knowing she was about to die really stuck out to me...

gngr~snap
05-15-2010, 04:54 PM
What on earth would have to happen for maternal Gparents to be barred from contact with the family? Were they unsavory characters? I was thinking they were church people or something?????

Cubby
05-15-2010, 05:00 PM
The thing about her parents being legally prevented from seeing Ethan is interesting...a judge would again, need evidence to determine this, something more than she did not want them to see him, as in most states, grandparents do have some rights. So there must be something there to make the courts agree that they have no contact with the the three of them. I was wondering why we have heard nothing from her side of the family.
If nothing else, it does indicate a very dysfunctional relationship, at the very least.


If it was agreed up between SS and JS via the mediator there would be no need for the judge to have any proof. The judge would only make a decision where the two parties did not agree. Here they both agreed, or JS agreed to SS's request of no contact with her family.

Grandparent rights only come into play when the child has a 'substantial' relationship with a grandparent. They are very limited with rights and not as common as some might think.

Without further information, I get the impression SS was alienated from her family based on HER behavior/choice, not anything they did. I also think with a divorce, JS would have agreed to certain things based on making consessions only. Not that he necessarily agreed. That goes with the saying pick what you are willing to fight for carefully because you are not going to win them all.

jmo

laytonian
05-15-2010, 05:00 PM
What on earth would have to happen for maternal Gparents to be barred from contact with the family? Were they unsavory characters? I was thinking they were church people or something?????

Nathan's parents are the church people. His late father ran a "Campus Crusade for Christ" ministry in Florida, his brother has Christian websites (all registered to the mother's home address).

I'm also curious about SS's family being barred. Joe would know, and maybe he'll say someday.

eyes4crime
05-15-2010, 05:00 PM
:) (A gazillion pats on the back) Keep up the awesome work, eyes4crime. You know we all deeply, deeply appreciate all the sweat and headache you put into that timeline.

Consider it art -- a continually evolving work in progress. As sad as the subject is, the product is something to behold.

(roses & applause)

Thanks - usually I enjoy doing a time-line cause it helps me organize my thinking - but this one is so sick and disgusting I find it exhausting. I am updating it constantly so a big THANKS to all who take the time to read it and provide me with accurate and current corrections, updates, and new information. I use each and every suggestion.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 05:03 PM
What on earth would have to happen for maternal Gparents to be barred from contact with the family? Were they unsavory characters? I was thinking they were church people or something?????

I posted my thoughts on this earlier:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #4


Maybe restraining orders are one way Stephanie tries to wield control over people?

Running with my impression of SS's character, she was headstrong and self-centered -- probably didn't want to be told by anybody what she should or shouldn't do with her life. Dynamics like these are especially strained and volatile when it comes to parenting styles. (Normally, I think the conflicts arise between a mother and her in-laws, but maybe this case was different. Think of the strained relationship between Caylee Anthony's mother and grandmother.)

SS's parents may have done nothing wrong at all. Maybe they simply voiced their opinions, wanted to be involved, etc., and SS wanted them to "mind their own gd business."

Seems to me SS used Ethan as blackmail against his own father. I don't put it past her for a moment to use Ethan as blackmail against her own parents. Why? For what? What could she have gained from them? Financial support? A**kissing? The list is endless. Many, many things a grandparent will endure in order to ensure they'll still be able to see their grandkids. Know what I mean?

Jaxson
05-15-2010, 05:04 PM
I think it was feces.

I have been told that although Ethan was potty-trained, on rare occasions he would have an #2 accident. Being how he was under stress, not wanting to go with mom and not being happy being in a new situation, I think he had an accident and it set Nathan off. I think Nathan put the feces in his mouth.



I wonder if this is what started the abuse. Did he have an accident and they beat him because of it? Maybe that is when he was scalded in the tub? (while being cleaned up) This would be very frustrating to a someone like Nathan. Just being yelled at could have caused Ethan to have an accident and that would have just set the abuser off. I know with my ex that if I cried when he beat me it just made him madder that I was such a baby and so weak.

'Ailina
05-15-2010, 05:08 PM
I wonder if this is what started the abuse. Did he have an accident and they beat him because of it? Maybe that is when he was scalded in the tub? (while being cleaned up) This would be very frustrating to a someone like Nathan. Just being yelled at could have caused Ethan to have an accident and that would have just set the abuser off. I know with my ex that if I cried when he beat me it just made him madder that I was such a baby and so weak.

Ugh. I know, this breaks my heart. Not only on the possibility of physical weakness, but also, things like behavioral problems, emotional problems, speech problems, learning disabilities... (not that I'm implying Ethan had any of these, but these traits can make a child even more vulnerable to abuse).

Poor baby....

darlin gal
05-15-2010, 05:13 PM
I wonder if this is what started the abuse. Did he have an accident and they beat him because of it? Maybe that is when he was scalded in the tub? (while being cleaned up) This would be very frustrating to a someone like Nathan. Just being yelled at could have caused Ethan to have an accident and that would have just set the abuser off. I know with my ex that if I cried when he beat me it just made him madder that I was such a baby and so weak.



I wonder the same, Jaxson.

Little 4 yr. old out of MI that just died not to long ago was beat/tortured/eventually died - for days, (mom had chances to get him help to) His beatings were "set off" by him wetting his pants on the couch.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/04/police_release_details_of_beat.html

His mom was later charged as well:
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/04/corrine_baker_mother_of_domini_3.html

Jaxson
05-15-2010, 05:29 PM
I wonder the same, Jaxson.

Little 4 yr. old out of MI that just died not to long ago was beat/tortured/eventually died - for days, (mom had chances to get him help to) His beatings were "set off" by him wetting his pants on the couch.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/04/police_release_details_of_beat.html

His mom was later charged as well:
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/04/corrine_baker_mother_of_domini_3.html



I haven't even seen this one. The abuse of children is something I just don't understand. I guess you have to be one of them (an abuser) to understand what is going on in their minds. It scares the H*** out of me what is going on in this world we live in. I just think anytime there is abuse of a child OF ANY KIND (mental, emotional, physical or sexual) the parent should never be allowed access again. There should be no second chances and I do not believe in keeping the family together at all costs or even if at all possible. That is the only way that child will ever feel safe. I have 5 children, none who were abused but they did witness my abuse (not the beatings, just the aftermath) and that alone made them scared. I will never forgive myself for not leaving sooner.

suzyq211
05-15-2010, 05:41 PM
I have been a long time lurker here. I have been so profoundly affected by this case, that I felt the need to post. I thought I had seen and heard it all, but clearly this is not the case. I cannot get the images of Ethan out of my head and at times I find myself crying for him. As crazy as it sounds, I feel like a part of me has died and I wonder if I will ever be the same again. I alternate between anger and sadness and can only hope that justice will be served for this angelic little boy and his family.

Thanks for letting me vent.

I know...I feel the same...I think most of us (if not all) feel exactly as you do. i have been crying evey day too.

Calliope
05-15-2010, 05:44 PM
I think it does matter how hard you are hit. I was in an abusive relationship for 17 years and was hit many times and for the most part the bad bruising showed up the next day. However there were at least two occasions that the swelling and bruising was almost immediate. One of the times was when I was backhanded and he hit me in the cheekbone. This happened in front of a lot of people, police were called and arrived within minutes. I was taken to the hospital because they thought my cheekbone was broken. They took pictures of my face while I was in the emergency room and the bruising and swelling was horrible within an hour. I looked like I had a baseball under my skin. This happened on Oct. 29th and two weeks later at my daughters birthday party (Nov 14th) the pictures still show a golf ball sized swelling (it was hard not soft) and they were not sure that it would ever go completely back down. I believe that the picture of Ethan on the 4th of May could have been taken shortly after he was beaten because of how similar his bruising looks to mine. That would also fit based on the abuser being sorry and trying to make up and be nice (in Ethan's case by playing video games with him). And no I am not in that relationship anymore.

J

The 4th of May????

Calliope
05-15-2010, 05:47 PM
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/0/3/c/03cab1d7-fc61-43d9-b52c-e3a995c798a8/Probable_Cause_Nathan_Sloop.pdf

Page 3 says, In a photo with a time date stamp of May 4, 2010, Ethan has a large, and very noticeable area of swelling to the jaw and face.

Well then. Seems PS wasn't telling the truth.