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2goldfish
05-19-2010, 12:59 PM
I havent seen anything on WS yet (seldom do on cases from the EU anyways), there were reports yesterday of the murders, the details werent released until today.

from link here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279624/Lianne-Smith-suffocated-children-Spanish-hotel-partner-arrested-child-rape.html)

The British woman accused of killing her two small children in Spain has allegedly said she feared they would be taken from her after her partner was arrested on charges of child rape.

Martin Anthony Smith, 45, a TV psychic from North Shields, was seized in Barcelona on May 7. He was extradited to Britain yesterday and appeared at Carlisle Magistrates Court today to face 13 charges.

His wife, Lianne Smith, is being held in Spain today, accused of killing their two children - Rebecca, aged five, and Daniel, 11 months. Their bodies were found in a hotel room in Lloret de Mar near Barcelona yesterday afternoon.

Lianne and daughter Rebecca went missing on December 7, 2007. Smith is believed to have fled the country with them at the same time. He failed to answer bail on the charges on January 21, 2008.


I am absolutely fascinated and sick at her reasoning. they would certainly been taken away! she didnt seem to worried about their welfare as she knew he was a pedophile! I wonder what that little girl would have told!?


rest in peace, little ones.

WhyaDuck?
05-19-2010, 01:04 PM
Sweet heavens! "I was afraid they'd take them away, so I killed them." That makes perfect sense. Personally, I'd rather know my kids were somewhere alive and safe if I couldn't have them with me for some reason (heaven forbid), but maybe that's just me.

tlcya
05-19-2010, 01:16 PM
I am so sorry sweet babies. Hush now, all is well.

lizzybeth
05-19-2010, 01:26 PM
I don't get it. Why didn't she think "This POS has raped my babies, I'll kill him!"

crystalgenie
05-19-2010, 04:30 PM
Why did the female put her needs, to have a man in her life, before that of her children's safety, health, and well-being? I would wager that she knew he had done something to her children and she didn't want the kids telling the police.

Angel4u2Whisper2
05-19-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't get it. Why didn't she think "This POS has raped my babies, I'll kill him!"

ITA!
If she didn't have the opportunity or guts to kill him, why not think hey I can't stand the thought of "watching" someone else raise my kids and off herself?

:twocents:

DBinMA
05-19-2010, 06:01 PM
What gets me about these cases is this.... OK so a woman decides for whatever reason she needs a man more than her children. Ummm, how about a relative, foster care or adoption because once the children are dead, one or both adults are going to jail and certainly not together so really what does it accomplish???

lizzybeth
05-19-2010, 06:20 PM
What gets me about these cases is this.... OK so a woman decides for whatever reason she needs a man more than her children. Ummm, how about a relative, foster care or adoption because once the children are dead, one or both adults are going to jail and certainly not together so really what does it accomplish???


Maybe because of child support (they need/want the money), government assistance, because they know the man is more interested in the children than they are her, because they couldn't stand the thought of people thinking that they couldn't be a "mom". None of these are good reasons but unfortunately some women think that way.

anne11
05-20-2010, 03:08 AM
This case gets wierder, she worked as head of Cumbria county council's department to protect vulnerable children and he was a tv psychic that had appeared on "Most haunted". Its also claimed that the poor children were suffocated by having plastic bags placed over their heads :(
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279771/Lianne-Smiths-help-days-children-dead-Spanish-hotel-room.html

2goldfish
05-20-2010, 05:33 AM
This case gets wierder, she worked as head of Cumbria county council's department to protect vulnerable children and he was a tv psychic that had appeared on "Most haunted". Its also claimed that the poor children were suffocated by having plastic bags placed over their heads :(
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279771/Lianne-Smiths-help-days-children-dead-Spanish-hotel-room.html


from article

On November 1 that year, Lianne received a call on her mobile from Martin, telling her that he had been arrested and was at a police station.

'The shock was immense,' she said. 'The allegations were shocking.

'Never once did I question Martin as to whether any of it was true or not. If I had had only one small doubt, I would have ended our relationship.'


'We started building a new life in Spain,' she said, pointing out that throughout the two and a half years they spent there, she paid taxes and took her daughter, who became a fluent Catalan speaker, to school.

Last year she gave birth to Daniel and, perhaps for a while, really did believe that the new life they had forged in Spain was real and lasting.

But back in the UK, Smith was a wanted man. When he failed to answer bail on January 21, 2008, he was placed on Operation Captura's 'most wanted' list.

Captura is a joint initiative between the Crimestoppers charity, the Serious Organised Crime Agency in the UK, the British Embassy in Madrid and Spanish police.

Their aim is to hunt down suspects of serious crime wanted in the UK who are thought to be living in Spain.

A couple of weeks ago, the Barcelona apartment Lianne shared with Smith and their children was burgled. She reported it to the police.

On May 8, Smith was arrested. She wondered if it was her fault.

'I think they might have put two and two together somehow.'


Over the next ten days, she struggled to keep things together. It was tough enough with two young children, she said, when there were two parents to care for them.

The final blow came when she heard that Smith was being extradited.

'I don't really know how I'll cope,' she said. 'Keeping my family together' was a phrase she used several times.

This is the paradox at the heart of this tragedy - that a woman apparently so devoted to her children could even think of harming them.

During the phone conversation, she spoke of how Becky was everything to her and her partner. She was the focus of their lives.

It is impossible, of course, to know what was going through her mind in the hours leading up to the deaths of her children in room 101 at the Hotel Miramar in Lloret.

According to the respected Spanish newspaper El Pais, she wrote a confession then calmly asked staff at the beachfront hotel to phone for the police and an ambulance at around 3pm on Monday.

When a receptionist asked why, she reportedly replied: 'You will see'.










how fabulous, they fled to spain and she RAN A DAYCARE. She never doubted he wasnt guilty of sexcrimes, nice. It would have RUINED THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

he gets caught and she KILLS HER KIDS.

what was really happening in spain then?

2goldfish
05-21-2010, 09:12 AM
A mother suspected of killing her two young children in a Spanish hotel room allegedly left a suicide note saying 'I hope you can forgive me'.




from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1280025/Lianne-Smith-coping-Spain-hotel-deaths-mother-suicide-bid.html)


Mrs Smith is appearing in court in Spain this morning as a judge decides whether to bring a case against her.

She was taken to the courthouse in Blanes on the Costa Brava in a car with blackout windows. The hearing is being held behind closed doors.

BritsKate
05-21-2010, 01:10 PM
Lianne Smith, 43, was jailed pending trial after Rebecca, five, and Daniel, 11 months, were found dead in Lloret de Mar, Costa Brava on Tuesday.

More at link:
http://www.globenews24.com/EN/news,uk-mother-held-over-spain-deaths

fhc
05-21-2010, 01:36 PM
Was this creep ever in Portugal at a specific town/resort? !!!

http://www.findmadeleine.com/home.html

check out the sketch and his picture...ruddy complexion, receded hairline, long nose...

It seems i'm not the only one questioning

http://www.anorak.co.uk/248613/media/lianne-smith-the-madeleine-mccann-factor.html

2goldfish
05-21-2010, 01:49 PM
from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1280296/British-mother-spent-night-sleeping-dead-children-suffocating-them.html)

Suspected child killer Lianne Smith spent the night in the same bed as her dead children before attempting to commit suicide herself, it emerged today.

The 43-year-old is suspected of smothering her daughter Rebecca, five, and 11-month-old son Daniel with a plastic bag after her partner Martin Smith was extradited to Britain on child sex charges.

But after a failed attempt to kill herself using the same plastic bag the distraught mother spent hours lying beside the lifeless bodies she had tucked into a bed in Room 101 of the Hotel Miramar in the resort town of Lloret de Mar.

2goldfish
05-29-2010, 08:32 AM
Gently holding her baby son, Lianne Smith is a picture of proud parenthood.

Hours later, the boy and his sister were dead and their mother had tried to kill herself.

The haunting photograph, apparently taken by Mrs Smith's five-year-old daughter Rebecca, was included in a package which was posted from Spain to England.

It arrived only yesterday and is revealed exclusively in the Daily Mail. The fugitive mother compiled an album of their 'wonderful holiday' together on the Costa Brava, then sent it off with a farewell letter before allegedly smothering Rebecca and 11-month-old Daniel with a plastic bag almost two weeks ago.

from article here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282341/Spain-murder-charge-mother-Lianne-Smiths-letter-toddler-deaths.html)

2goldfish
06-08-2010, 03:39 PM
No family at funeral of children 'murdered by their mother' in Spanish hotel


from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1285034/Children-murdered-mother-Lianne-Smith-Spanish-hotel-buried-poignant-ceremony.html)



The children allegedly murdered by their mother in a Spanish holiday hotel were buried today in a tearful ceremony snubbed by their relatives.

Rebecca Smith, five, and brother Daniel, just 11 months, were remembered in the poignant funeral service held just a mile from the room in the Costa Brava resort of Lloret de Mar where expat mum Lianne is accused of smothering them to death with a plastic bag.

The tragic pair were buried in the same grave.


Around 40 mourners including the town mayor, police chiefs, and teachers and parents at the school Rebecca attended in Barcelona, gathered in a tiny chapel at the town cemetery to pay their last respects.

But neither the children's mum or their alleged paedophile dad Martin - both currently languishing in jail - were there.

And other UK-based relatives of the dead children including their grandparents, aunts and uncles, also failed to attend.

Local police chief Cesar Martinez, speaking moments before the start of a 20-minute remembrance service at the 19-century chapel, said: 'Unfortunately today there are no members of the two children's family.

'We made every effort possible to contact their relatives including grandparents, uncles and aunts but nobody has come.

'The children's mother had the right to come here today if she so wished.

'She's not yet been convicted of any offence and if she asked to come, the authorities would have brought her but that's clearly not the case.'

Belinda
06-08-2010, 03:52 PM
That just completely breaks my heart into a million pieces.

tut med
06-08-2010, 05:28 PM
How horrible.

4Kat
06-10-2010, 12:04 AM
I just do not know what to say! Feelings range from heartbreak to anger! How dare this woman destroy the most precious gift this earth has to offer!

These poor babies, may they rest in peace.

bessie
06-10-2010, 01:12 AM
It's always the same in these cases. After smothering, maiming, burning, drugging, or drowning their own innocent little children, the mothers invariably lament that they wanted to kill themselves but somehow just couldn't quite manage to do it. Well, I say we've been remiss in providing assistance to these women. Too seldom do we lend a hand and help them accomplish what they cannot do on their own. :furious:

And why no family at the funeral? Horrible!

badhorsie
01-25-2012, 05:45 AM
Today's news, Rapist and TV Psychic found dead in cell, more at BBC link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16716210)

badhorsie
01-25-2012, 05:45 AM
Lianne Smith still awaiting trial in Spain. What an unholy mess

otto
01-25-2012, 05:58 AM
I havent seen anything on WS yet (seldom do on cases from the EU anyways), there were reports yesterday of the murders, the details werent released until today.

from link here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279624/Lianne-Smith-suffocated-children-Spanish-hotel-partner-arrested-child-rape.html)



I am absolutely fascinated and sick at her reasoning. they would certainly been taken away! she didnt seem to worried about their welfare as she knew he was a pedophile! I wonder what that little girl would have told!?


rest in peace, little ones.

She wouldn't have killed her children unless they could implicate her, or maybe not. Was there any evidence that the children had been assaulted or could implicate her? If they had never been assaulted, then it doesn't really make any sense that she murdered her children unless she was so horrified by what her husband was that she didn't want to perpetuate his genes. I guess she preferred to go down for murder than as a couple of monsters or as the mother of future murders ... maybe she believed in something like bad genes and reacted.

otto
01-25-2012, 06:04 AM
A mother suspected of killing her two young children in a Spanish hotel room allegedly left a suicide note saying 'I hope you can forgive me'.




from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1280025/Lianne-Smith-coping-Spain-hotel-deaths-mother-suicide-bid.html)

Some suicide note ... she's still alive. It sounds a bit self-serving.

otto
01-25-2012, 06:12 AM
No family at funeral of children 'murdered by their mother' in Spanish hotel


from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1285034/Children-murdered-mother-Lianne-Smith-Spanish-hotel-buried-poignant-ceremony.html)

"The children allegedly murdered by their mother in a Spanish holiday hotel were buried today in a tearful ceremony snubbed by their relatives.

Rebecca Smith, five, and brother Daniel, just 11 months, were remembered in the poignant funeral service held just a mile from the room in the Costa Brava resort of Lloret de Mar where expat mum Lianne is accused of smothering them to death with a plastic bag.

The tragic pair were buried in the same grave.


Around 40 mourners including the town mayor, police chiefs, and teachers and parents at the school Rebecca attended in Barcelona, gathered in a tiny chapel at the town cemetery to pay their last respects.

But neither the children's mum or their alleged paedophile dad Martin - both currently languishing in jail - were there.

And other UK-based relatives of the dead children including their grandparents, aunts and uncles, also failed to attend.

Local police chief Cesar Martinez, speaking moments before the start of a 20-minute remembrance service at the 19-century chapel, said: 'Unfortunately today there are no members of the two children's family.

'We made every effort possible to contact their relatives including grandparents, uncles and aunts but nobody has come.

'The children's mother had the right to come here today if she so wished.

'She's not yet been convicted of any offence and if she asked to come, the authorities would have brought her but that's clearly not the case.' "


That's pretty sad. Is it because they were the chidlren of a paedophile?

otto
01-25-2012, 06:16 AM
Today's news, Rapist and TV Psychic found dead in cell, more at BBC link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16716210)

They were both found dead in their cells even though they could not have been held together? So what ... did they have a pact that if he was arrested she would first see to the children and then to themselves? It sounds like something right out of Hitler's manual ... some of his officers did exactly that with their children and families.

Oops ... so he was found dead, suicide, in his cell. She is very much alive, having just murdered her children and unable to follow through with suicide. I guess the letter was self-serving, and now she'll tell us that she was under his spell ... he's not around to say anything, neither are the children.

It seems to me that anyone that murders their family is a family annihilator - that would be the wife ... a whole other breed of people that are ready to do something radical that doesn't include their family, so they decide the family will be better off dead. Men that murder a pregnant wife strike me as partial family annihilators, espcially if they leave children alive. Some do, some don' ... but a woman murdering her offspring stirkes me as a family annihilator.

Etilema
01-25-2012, 06:43 AM
Horribly, this isn't the only case I have heard about of a mother killing her children because the father was accused of molestation. The other case was in Ohio, and the mother set fire to the home.

ETA: Here's the link on WS:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41201

otto
01-25-2012, 06:48 AM
It almost seems like putting ones eggs in one basket ... that the minute their one reality is shattered, they are unable to cope.

Does that still happen in our new techno-world?

Etilema
01-25-2012, 06:50 AM
It almost seems like putting ones eggs in one basket ... that the minute their one reality is shattered, they are unable to cope.

That's the way I interpreted the Ohio case. That she had a nice family and then was overwhelmed when this stuff came out.

Fluttershy
01-25-2012, 08:31 AM
It seems like she thought of her children as objects. If they weren't with her then their lives weren't worth living because she was such a wonderful mother.:rolleyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/25/convicted-paedophile-martin-smith-dead

not_my_kids
01-25-2012, 09:09 AM
Maybe it was the other way around. Projection and such. Maybe she defined her self as a mother, and without them, her life wasn't worth living. So, she killed them to enable herself to finish the job on herself too. Maybe the overall goal was to bring herself to the point of suicide. Although I agree that in her world, the kids were nothing but objects or possessions. They were important to her, but not in terms of being individual people, they were important because they re-inforced her sense of self.

Not that any of this excuses what she did, it doesn't. I'm just looking for a way to understand this. Maybe recognizing the mindset can stop it from happening again in the future.

LCoastMom
01-25-2012, 02:08 PM
That's pretty sad. Is it because they were the chidlren of a paedophile?

I go with because their mother was a selfish b****. She took her young daughter to Spain when her boyfriend and father of her daughter was accused of raping a child! She hung out with him there (and had another baby) until he was finally arrested. Then she takes the children on a holiday and coldly murders them, claiming she attempted suicide.

Maybe she and Smith had a pact.

I still call it selfish and cruel. Notice in the picture of her holding her son, she appears relaxed. Wouldn't you think someone about to murder two defenseless babies would be stressed and maybe slightly crazed?

sherbetjello
01-25-2012, 02:38 PM
Incredibly heartbreaking. I cannot find a lick of logic in any of this because had I of been in these shoes I would have knocked this man out of his....

This picture tore me to bits. This is so, so very sad. :cries:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/28/article-1282341-09CB7FA1000005DC-863_634x286.jpg
from link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282341/Spain-murder-charge-mother-Lianne-Smiths-letter-toddler-deaths.html

mysterygirl
01-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Jesus.......

CarmelEyesD
01-26-2012, 04:21 AM
Mrs Smith, a former child protection expert with Cumbria County Council, refused to believe he was guilty - and hoped publicity over her plight would allow her to keep custody of her children while she fought the allegations on his behalf.

In an anguished telephone interview with the publicist, she sobbed: 'I really don't know how I'll cope.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282341/Spain-murder-charge-mother-Lianne-Smiths-letter-toddler-deaths.html


BBM-makes it even harder to understand...what beautiful children...

On May 14, she was panicked into fleeing Barcelona after what she described as 'an attempt to take my children'. It is thought that Spanish social workers had tried to contact her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282341/Spain-murder-charge-mother-Lianne-Smiths-letter-toddler-deaths.html#ixzz1kYQzMRVP

badhorsie
01-26-2012, 04:30 AM
Now Mrs Smith is on suicide watch, more at link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091493/Martin-Smith-TV-psychic-paedophile-hanged-cell.html)

LCoastMom
01-26-2012, 10:20 AM
I hadn't realized that Smith was the mother of the SA victim...this just gets worse and worse.

Belinda
01-26-2012, 11:16 AM
I hadn't realized that Smith was the mother of the SA victim...this just gets worse and worse.

I didn't either. And to have her own mother not believe her and disown her is cruel and heartless. No wonder she didn't have a problem with murdering her other children. She smiled so nice in all the pictures, like not a thing was wrong, when all along she was planning to murder her children.

CarmelEyesD
01-30-2012, 08:40 PM
I just don't understand how a parent
can kill their child....no matter what the reason. I never will understand.

CHERIE.T
01-30-2012, 09:08 PM
Makes no sense. The children should have been protected from sexual abuse and evidently their mother their accused killer. What a sad story.

No Stone Unturned
01-31-2012, 09:13 AM
I think she was afraid of the stories the 5 year girl would tell.

Fluttershy
06-20-2012, 08:22 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/18/mother-children-perfect-holiday-court

She told police: "I gave my children a three-day holiday, a perfect holiday, we were very, very happy. We came here with nothing, we had left everything again. This was the end of the road, I knew my children would be taken back to England. My daughter didn't want to go, she didn't want to leave me.

"So I know it's not right to take another life, but I felt I was in a corner and my intention was for me and my children to go. It was not just the children, it was me as well."

The court heard that after killing the children, Smith tried to take her own life.

Obviously didn't try too hard though, JMO.

Angels_Not_Forgotten
06-20-2012, 09:53 AM
You know, has she ever even once had a conversation or interview that did not revolve around her and her plight? Selfish lady. I'm sick of hearing about her and her feelings. Did she ask those two defenseless children how they felt? Ugh.

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Jacie Estes
06-20-2012, 10:28 AM
A mother suspected of killing her two young children in a Spanish hotel room allegedly left a suicide note saying 'I hope you can forgive me'.




from article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1280025/Lianne-Smith-coping-Spain-hotel-deaths-mother-suicide-bid.html)

Why is it that criminals like her can never actually succeed in committing suicide? What a horrible woman.

Fluttershy
06-22-2012, 08:55 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162825/Lianne-Smith-trial-Mother-killed-children-Spanish-hotel-room-pronounced-guilty.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/21/article-2162825-13B6EC4F000005DC-184_306x515.jpg

Lianne Smith faces up to 34 years in a Spanish prison after she was last night found guilty of murdering her two children.

The British mother stared blankly at the floor as the unanimous verdict rang out at Girona Provincial Court, in north-east Spain.

The 45-year-old is now on suicide watch after previously trying to kill herself.


Guilty! :woohoo:

JenniferTx
06-22-2012, 10:16 AM
Guilty! Yes!

Fluttershy
06-25-2012, 07:54 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/21/lianne-smith-child-murder-jury

A jury of seven men and two women at the provincial court in Girona, north-east Spain, will decide whether she is criminally responsible for the children's deaths. They will be assisted by two further jury members who take part in deliberations but do not have a vote.

Fluttershy
06-26-2012, 07:36 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9353569/Lianne-Smith-Spanish-child-murderers-sons-worst-nightmare.html



On Monday, her 21 year-old son, Chris Smith, told of his grief and said he would never forgive his mother for what she did.

Mr Smith, from Newcastle, said the conviction of his mother brings an end to his "worst nightmare".

Disguiseduser0308
06-26-2012, 08:33 AM
Thank the heavens for a guilty verdict. Shame on this mother for not protecting her children. Shame on her for their demise. Prison is a cold ugly place. Right where she belongs with her cold ugly heart.

You didn't deserve the title of mother, Lianne Smith. You are a monster.

Soulmagent
06-26-2012, 08:46 AM
I dont even now what to say about this case but after reading everything and taking it all in I do think she knew of the sexual abuse as it lasted years and when the daughter got older the mother has 2 more children. Why? Well to keep a guy who is into children you need to have some arround.

Then he is caught and no need for the children. So she kills them as payback for him leaving for jail. She had to knew they would take the kids to kill them and I believe it had to do with allowing the daughter to be abused.
Heartless.