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Salem
06-02-2010, 11:10 AM
Please continue here.
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Salem
AmandaReckonwith
06-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Case archive album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Venus%20Stewart/
believe09
06-02-2010, 11:21 AM
Looking at Google Map: Colon, MI to Newport News, VA is between 716 and 786 miles. Driving an average of 70-75 mph, he could absolutely be home in time to receive a phone call after 8PM...
Now, if I am speculating here, how would he subdue her? I wonder if he had a taser? The reason I bring it up is that it appears that you do not have to register to carry firearms or stun weapons in VA. You do not have to have a license to carry, although I wonder if DS does. He at least owns some weapons, it appears...or at least at one point he owned a .357.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Looking at Google Map: Colon, MI to Newport News, VA is between 716 and 786 miles. Driving an average of 70-75 mph, he could absolutely be home in time to receive a phone call after 8PM...
Now, if I am speculating here, how would he subdue her? I wonder if he had a taser? The reason I bring it up is that it appears that you do not have to register to carry firearms or stun weapons in VA. You do not have to have a license to carry, although I wonder if DS does. He at least owns some weapons, it appears...or at least at one point he owned a .357.
IIRC, the .357 referred to in the document was his father's.
Figuring 750 miles between points, that's an average of roughly 62 mph. To make that average speed, and to do all that he allegedly did, not to mention making it through some of the worst/most congested traffic in the country during rush hour on a Monday afternoon and evening... I simply don't think it's possible.
pufnstuf
06-02-2010, 11:39 AM
VENUS ROSE STEWART TIMELINE
2002: Venus Rose McComb and Douglas Harrie Stewart marry (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/missing_st_joseph_county_woman_1.html).
2007 through 2009: Venus Stewart and Douglas Harrie Stewart's marriage is marred by mutual allegations of violence (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) and multiple divorce filings as detailed below.
Orders of Protection, Domestic Violence, and Divorce Filings:
September 2007 - Doug Stewart files for divorce (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) from Venus Stewart but does not follow through.
June 2008 - An incident at the Schoolcraft house results in Venus being arrested for domestic violence. According to Doug's statement in divorce papers that he would file a month later, Venus gave him a bloody nose (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376536-bottom-page.html) and hit him five times in the face. However, records from that incident are no longer public, and St. Joseph County prosecutor says Venus likely completed a diversion course for the first domestic violence offense, thus having her record cleared.
July 2008 - Venus Stewartfiles for an order of protection against Douglas Stewart (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/missing_st_joseph_county_woman_1.html). Venus wrote that Douglas Stewart abused her, made threats to take the couple’s two children and constantly badgered her for sex. “I am scared to death and every day I live in constant fear and I am constantly looking over my shoulder wondering when he will appear again,” she wrote. Douglas Stewart filed an objection to Venus's request for the order of protection. His objection was dismissed and Venus' protective order was granted.
July 2008 - Douglas Stewart files for divorce (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html), but does not follow through. Case dismissed in 2009.
August 2008 - Douglas Stewart answers Venus' protection order with a request for one of his own. He stated (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) that in June 2008 she attacked him “with approximately nine blows to the face and also caused harm to my 3 1/2 year old’s head.” (Versus his earlier statement that she had hit him five times in the head.) “She has informed me on a daily basis that she will kill me for taking the kids away from her...I cannot live my life in constant fear that my kids and I are under attack ... I live my life in fear now and I fear the outcome of my children. Please help me. Please help her.” Granted.
October 2008 - Both protective orders by the Stewarts are dismissed.
November 2008 - Venus is charged with domestic violence, but several months later pleads no contest to disturbing the peace.
March 2009 - Venus Stewart files a second petition for a personal-protection (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/missing_st_joseph_county_woman_1.html) order against her husband in March 2009, alleging that he threatened her and made a false criminal accusation against her father. “Once Doug loses all control over me he is going to hunt me down and kill me.... Now that I don’t have my parents to protect me and if he finds out where I am at he is going to kill me. It’s only a matter of time.” Welty denies the request for the protection order in 2009, saying the type of protection order requested by Stewart is "only for emergency situations, where there is clearly a danger of harm happening within the next few days. Your case does not seem to fit the urgent emergency criteria,” the denial said.
February 2010 - Venus again files for an order of protection--again stating that she feared that he would kill her--which is granted; and for temporary custody of the Stewarts' daughters, which is granted. Friends of Venus' recall her telling them (http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/05/15/news/local_news/doc4bedd193db528663825450.txt), "If I come up missing, Doug’s killed me."
March 2009 - Douglas Stewart again files for divorce (http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/MainMenu.do) from Venus, this time in Newport News Circuit Court. Divorce is currently pending.
Summer 2009: Venus and Douglas Stewart move from 300 Walnut street, Schoolcraft, Michigan, to an apartment in Newport News, Virginia. The Schoolcraft house is in foreclosure (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376536-bottom-page.html).
24 February 2010: Venus Stewart and her two daughters, age 3 and 5, move back to Michigan, where they live with her parents, Therese and Larry McComb, in Colon Township. Back in Michigan, Venus Stewart files for a protective order in St. Joseph County. Court documents reveal that this latest move was sparked by allegations of sexual abuse that Venus' older daughter (5 years old) relayed to Venus on February 22. (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/MSP-Colon-Twp-woman-possibly-abducted)An investigation into the alleged sexual abuse concluded that at the time there was insufficient evidence to charge Douglas Stewart with sexual molestation of the couple's daughter. The child's allegations would later be substantiated (http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/05/29/news/local_news/doc4c00448574b76080812437.txt) by a CPS certified child sexual abuse therapist.
February - April 2010: Venus Stewart writes notes (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dad-finds-handwritten-letter-from-Venus) detailing the alleged sexual abuse of her daughter by her husband. Also, according to her father, Venus wrote out a will (http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/may/06/colon-woman-continues/) days before she disappeared, because she was concerned that her husband would harm her.
Monday - 19 April 2010: Venus Stewart is granted temporary legal and physical custody (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/missing_st_joseph_county_woman_1.html) of the couple’s two daughters by Judge William Welty in St. Joseph County District Court. Doug Stewart is only allowed contact with the children through telephonic visitation between the hours of 9AM and 9PM.
Friday - 23 April 2010: Doug Stewart last talked to his older daughter (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376791-bottom-estranged.html) through telephonic visitation on this date. No mention as to whether or not he talked to the younger daughter after this date.
Monday - 7:10 AM - 8:30 AM- 26 April 2010: Venus Stewart is abducted (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/MSP-Colon-Twp-woman-possibly-abducted) between 7:10 and 8:3a.m. Monday outside her parent’s home in the 55000 block of Driftwood Drive in Colon Township while walking to her parents' mailbox to post a letter. Police immediately name her estranged husband (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html), Douglas Harrie Stewart, as the person of interest in the abduction and begin a multi-state manhunt (http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/apr/27/colon-township-woman-may-have-been-abducted/) to find him. According to Lt. Mike Risko of the MSP, "There is evidence that there was a struggle (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20004084-504083.html). We do not believe she left of her own free will."
Monday - "late night" - 26 April 2010: Douglas Harrie Stewart, Venus's estranged husband, is located at his residence (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) in Newport News, Virginia. Police continue to attempt to locate two vehicles (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) associated with Doug Stewart: a 1998 silver Mercury sedan and a 2005 silver Dodge Ram extended-cab pick-up. Despite locating Douglas Stewart, police have yet to find the car or pickup (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/missing_st_joseph_county_woman_1.html) truck.
Wednesday - 28 April 2010: Douglas Stewart refuses to answer questions by investigators or the media and refers all contact (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_state_police_remain_h.html) to his attorney, Jeffrey M. Schroder (http://www.hettingerlaw.com/schroder.php) of Portage, Michigan. Lt. Mike Risko says all investigators' contact (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/mother-1375777-newschannel-michigan.html) with Doug Stewart is through his lawyer. Newport News police locate the Dodge Ram truck (http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/newport_news/missing-mom-case-leads-to-newport-news) at Doug Stewart's apartment building's parking lot.
Friday - 30 April 2010: Michigan State Police troopers and sheriff’s deputies began searching (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/04/poilce_searching_wooded_area_i.html) near Adams Lake and Oak Leaf Trail, approximately a mile from the McCombs' residence from which Venus Stewart was abducted, after receiving a tip, State Police Lt. Mike Risko said. Risko said the tip that police acted on Friday was information that a person saw a man near the shoreline of Adams Lake within the time frame that Venus Stewart is believed to have been taken. “It’s one of the few tips we’ve got so we’re going to act on it,” Risko said. “At this stage of the game, I don’t think we can let anything slide." The Michigan State Police and the Sheriff's Department canvassed the area on foot but didn't find anything (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1375898-bottom-style.html).
Monday - 3 May 2010: Media report that the two vehicles associated with Douglas Stewart for which police have been searching have been located (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Nancy-Grace-takes-on-missing-woman-case) in Virginia.
Tuesday - 4 May 2010: A neighbor of the McCombs says that she spotted a pick-up truck (http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/category/missing-persons/) in the area at the time of her disappearance, about 7AM (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/tire_marks_where_venus_stewart.html). She said that five minutes later, the truck was gone. The Michigan State Police crime lab compared photos of the tread on her husband’s trucks’ tires to the tire marks left at the scene in Michigan, and advised that the “general tread pattern” was in agreement (http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/newport_news/missing-mom-case-leads-to-newport-news), but they needed the actual tires from Stewart’s truck for “more thorough, further analysis.”
Wednesday - 5 May 2010: Using side-scan sonar and divers, investigators search Adams Lake (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/stewart-1376081-state-joseph.html) but find no clues to Venus Stewart's disappearance. Investigators continue to state that Doug Stewart is the sole person of interest (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/police_dive_team_combs_adams_l.html) in Venus Stewart's disappearance, despite having what investigators say (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dive-crews-search-for-missing-woman) is a solid alibi. While the dive team conducted its search Wednesday, Lt. Mike Risko said that MSP crime lab personnel were flying to Virginia to conduct searches (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/police_dive_team_combs_adams_l.html) of a Mercury sedan and Dodge Ram pickup truck that are both registered to Douglas Stewart. Police obtained search warrants for the vehicles, which were seized today (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/michigan_state_police_want_to.html) by Newport News police.
Contacted by the media on Wednesday, Doug Stewart makes the following statement (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dive-crews-search-for-missing-woman): "I still care about her very much, and to be told that you could be involved of something of this nature, it's repulsive. It makes me feel horrible, and now, that the timeline has gone so far ... I'm getting very worried and very concerned."
Thursday - 6 May 2010: 24 Hour News 8 obtained a copy of the handwritten notes (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dad-finds-handwritten-letter-from-Venus) by Venus detailing her daughter's story. According to the documents, her daughter told Venus about the incident in February 2010 in which Doug Stewart allegedly had his eldest daughter touch him inappropriately. The notes were provided by Larry McComb, Venus' father, who said he stumbled across the papers in a drawer. February is when Venus left her husband, Douglas Stewart, and moved in with the McCombs in Colon Township, Larry McComb added.
Also on Thursday, police released a sketch of a person (http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2010/05/06/sketch_20100506125229_320_240.JPG) with whom they would like to speak. Police state that the man is not a suspect. The sketch is based on several reports of a man near Adam's lake who approached people. Two people say they encountered the man (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/suspicious-person-in-Venus-Stewart-case) the night before Stewart disappeared. The witnesses said it was unusual, and the man was disheveled and wet (http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20100507/NEWS01/5070314/1002/NEWS01/Search-still-on-for-missing-woman), as if he had been swimming. He asked the witnesses for a cigarette. “Some guy came out of the woods, out of nowhere,” said Leana Powell (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376107-bottom-newschannel.html), “came up behind me and asked, 'do you know where I am?'”
On Thursday, State Police Forensics Teams from Michigan continue to inspect the two vehicles (http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/may/06/search-continues-missing-woman/) in the possession of Douglas Stewart. A copy of the search warrant says they want to test the Dodge Ram, which is owned by Venus Stewart (http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/newport_news/missing-mom-case-leads-to-newport-news) but has been in the possession of Doug Stewart, for dirt, plant material, or any other evidence that shows the truck was driven to Michigan recently. They are also looking for (http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/newport_news/missing-mom-case-leads-to-newport-news) blood, hair, a tarp, or other signs it may have been used for an abduction. They also want to compare tire treads on the Dodge Ram with plaster casts of tracks left in a field near the Colon Township home where Venus Stewart was staying with her parents. A woman who lives in the neighborhood says she saw a pickup, roughly matching the description of Stewart’s crew cab, parked in that field that morning, with a man crouching down behind it.
MSP Lt. Mike Risko says that Doug Stewart continues to be uncooperative with investigators (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/michigan_state_police_want_to.html) as of Thursday.
Friday - 8 May 2010: Police continue to state that they believe (http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/93133274.html) that Venus Stewart's husband Douglas Stewart abducted her from her parents Colon Township home.
On Nancy Grace Friday night, Larry McComb, Venus' father, states that investigators took into their possession a plastic tarp wrapper that was found in the driveway on the morning of Venus' disappearance. McComb is certain that the wrapper is not his and states that he believes that it fell out of the vehicle of the person who abducted his daughter. McComb and his wife Therese also claim that Doug Stewart will not tell them whether or not he was at work on the day that Venus disappeared, instead claiming that he has told police all details of his whereabouts on Monday, April 26. Police continue to assert that Doug Stewart is not cooperating with the investigation.
Dana Jones, who lives at River Park Apartments, tells Newport News media (http://www.wvec.com/news/local/Search-for-missing-mom-brings-Michigan-State-troopers-to-Hampton-Roads-93173239.html) that, earlier in the investigation of Venus Stewart's disappearance, Michigan State Police had visited the high-rise apartment building where Doug Stewart lives, causing a commotion unusual for the apartment residents. Kiara Roundtree, whose boyfriend lives in the apartment building, said, "I saw, like, cops lined up, and people were just staring, like, wondering what's going on. People that live on the ninth floor were saying they saw the cops on the ninth floor, like, kind of knocking on someone's door."
Monday - 10 May 2010: An apparent blood stain was found in Douglas Stewart's truck, the Michigan State Police reported Monday afternoon (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/CNN-Evidence-found-vs-Venus-husband). Police executed search warrants at Stewart's Newport News, Va. home, where he once lived with Venus Stewart, who has been missing since April 26. The chemical the Michigan State Police Department uses to detect blood read positive on a portion of the truck's interior. The material is now at a lab, being tested. Police also found a Wal-Mart receipt for a shovel, tarp, cap and gloves, they confirm. The receipt was from April 25 -- the day before Venus disappeared -- from a Wal-Mart in Ohio. Douglas Stewart's truck was parked on the street a few blocks from his complex, the Newport News police reported -- despite Stewart having two reserved parking spots in the structure at his apartment complex.
Tuesday - 11 May 2010: Doug Stewart may have left Virginia (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Douglas-Stewart-person-of-interest) and may be headed to Michigan. He has relatives in Michigan who live near Venus Stewart's parents. Fulton, MI, is Doug's home town where he was raised. Police continue to stay that Doug Stewart is the only person of interest in the disappearance of his wife.
Wednesday - 12 May 2010: MSP renews its search effort (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/police_searching_area_in_st_jo.html) for Venus Stewart. Lt. Mike Risko refuses to say where in St. Joseph County the search is being conducted--later reported that nothing found during the search. Risko says that Doug Stewart may be back in Michigan (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Focused-on-looking-for-Venus), perhaps to transfer to the Detroit area for a job with US Food Services, with whom he is currently employed. Lt. Risko states that he does not expect blood test results from the stains in the vehicles to be back today. Risko also states that MSP is still working on tire tread comparisons (http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/may/12/more-information-bring-released-abduction-case/) and MSP is bringing the Dodge Ram back to Michigan for further testing. Risko says they are planning to review surveillance video to see if Stewart shows up. Stewart claims that he was in Virginia at the time of the abduction.
Thursday - 13 May 2010: MSP continues to wait for blood analysis results. Denny Olson, a former leader in Michigan for the Guardian Angels, is organizing a search for Venus (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/organizer_of_search_friday_for.html) that will begin at 9 a.m. Friday at a park on West Colon Road near Sturgeon Lake. Volunteers will search from Colon north to Leonidas and Fulton and as far east as Interstate 69. Contact Denny at diehard1054@yahoo.com for more information.
Friday - 14 May 2010 - More people come forward (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/tire_marks_where_venus_stewart.html) to say that they saw Doug's silver Mercury Sable "cruising" around their former home in Schoolcraft, MI, on April 25. MSP awaits all test results on evidence from the car and truck. The tire imprint specialist is waiting on the arrival of the Dodge Ram from NNPD, in whose possession it has been since it was seized.
Also, 130 people turn out for a search for Venus (http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/05/15/news/local_news/doc4bedd193db528663825450.txt) organized by Denny Olson. Many of the searchers are friends, neighbors, or acquaintances of Venus and her family. “She was a very nice lady, she loved her girls, they were her top priority,” said Stephanie Thomas of Portage, who had worked with Venus in 2007 at National City Bank. Another former co-worker, Alicia Wallbridge, added, “She used to tell us, ‘If I come up missing, Doug’s killed me.’”
Wednesday - 19 May 2010: Michigan State Police officials say “progress is being made” (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/progress_made_in_venus_stewart.html) in the investigation of the April 26 disappearance of a 32-year-old Colon mother. Detectives are still awaiting the results on forensic evidence obtained from vehicles owned by the woman’s estranged husband, Douglas Stewart. Larry McComb tells WWMT that investigators told him that it won't be long before test results obtained in recent search warrants executed on the vehicles comes back--that it can take up to 3 weeks for results to come back (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376750-bottom-mich.html). He holds out hope that his daughter is alive and being held hostage, and will return to the family.
Wednesday - 19 May 2010: Doug Stewart files for custody of the two children (http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1376791-bottom-estranged.html) and for supervised visitation rights. In separate filings, Doug has asked for a telephone number to contact his daughters as well as weekly supervised visits at the Department of Human Services Office. He claims that he has not talked to his older daughter since April 23, and Venus' parents began denying him phone contact on April 27, the day after Venus disappeared. Larry McComb says that he cut all contact with Doug after Doug was named the only person of interest in Venus' disappearance. Doug has also requested joint legal custody as well as physical care and custody, either temporarily or permanently. A judge in St. Joseph County has scheduled a hearing on the custody issue for May 24th. The State of Michigan is representing Venus and the children (http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Venus-estranged-husband-wants-custody) in the upcoming hearing, according to Venus' father. They're going to get both the girls one lawyer, and it's my understanding that they're going to have a lawyer appointed to represent Venus," Larry McComb said.
Friday, 22 May 2010: MSP obtains a search warrant for the Leonidas-area property of the father of Douglas Harrie Stewart. Doug has been staying with his father since relocating back to Michigan. The warrant included the house, outbuildings, and property, and cadaver dogs were brought in to search. Items were removed from the property.
Monday - 24 May 2010: A hearing scheduled for today on a petition by Douglas Harrie Stewart for supervised visitation with his two daughters has been adjourned until sometime in June (http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/05/25/news/local_news/doc4bfbd9d906342057550811.txt).
Friday - 28 May 2010: Hearing in the matter of custody of B and R Stewart: St. Joseph County DHS has initiated action to take control of custody (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/missing_woman_venus_stewarts_e.html) of Venus' daughters. In a legal maneuver to move custody under the authority of DHS, St. Joseph County Child Protection Services (a branch of DHS) filed a child neglect petition. St. Joseph County prosecutor John McDonough is representing DHS in the hearing. A juvenile court referee is scheduled to determine if a child neglect petition should be authorized. If the petition is approved, it begins the process for DHS, under the court’s jurisdiction, to assume legal responsibility for the children and decide who will have at least temporary custody. McDonough said Monday that he will recommend Douglas Stewart not be granted custody of the two girls “for pretty obvious reasons.” UPDATE: Doug Stewart was denied custody (http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/05/29/news/local_news/doc4c00448574b76080812437.txt) and visitation. The children will remain in hiding, under the umbrella of DHS authority.
Wednesday - 2 June 2010: MSP's Risko states that Doug Stewart's alibi has crumbled (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/06/impostor_posed_as_doug_stewart.html) and is now considered fraudulent. Stewart had claimed to be in Virginia at the time that Venus disappeared. Risko states that MSP now believes that Doug employed an impersonator to appear to be him in Virginia to establish an alibi for him on the day prior to and the day of Venus' disappearance. The impersonator dressed as Doug, and paid bills, withdrew money, and in other ways portrayed Doug around Newport News. The evidence includes a video (http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/jun/02/new-development-stewart-case/) of faux Doug. MSP ask that anyone who had contact with faux Doug contact MSP. Risko also says that MSP has evidence that Doug was in Ohio on the day before Venus disappeared and in Michigan (http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/95346754.html) at the time that Venus disappeared.
SEARCH WARRANTS SERVED ON DOUGLAS HARRIE STEWART:
Search warrant for Douglas Stewart (http://woodtv.triton.net/news/search%20douglas%20stewart.PDF) (pdf)
Search warrant for Douglas Stewart's apartment (http://woodtv.triton.net/news/search%20apartment%20douglas%20stewart.PDF) (pdf)
Search warrant for Douglas Stewart's Dodge (http://woodtv.triton.net/news/search%20dodge%20douglas%20stewart.PDF) (pdf)
Search warrant for Douglas Stewart's Mercury (http://woodtv.triton.net/news/search%20mercury%20douglas%20stewart.PDF) (pdf)
Transcription of Search Warrants
WHO'S WHO IN THE VENUS STEWART CASE:
VS - Venus Rose McComb Stewart, 32, who disappeared from her parents home in Colon, MI, on 4-16-10.
DS - Douglas Harrie Stewart, 29, estranged husband of Venus Stewart; former Marine, currently a delivery truck driver.
LM - father of Venus Stewart, in whose home Venus and her children have lived since Feb. 2010.
TM - mother of Venus Stewart, in whose home Venus and children have lived since Feb. 2010.
BS - daughter, 5, of Venus and Doug Stewart.
RS - daughter, 3, of Venus and Doug Stewart.
DJ - Venus's older brother.
DES - Douglas Stewart's father, who lives seven miles from the McCombs' Driftwood Drive residence.
JS - Douglas Stewart's attorney.
MR - Lieutenant Mike Risko, MSP spokesman throughout the Venus Stewart case.
JM - John McDonough, St. Joeseph County prosecutor who is also representing DHS in custody matters concerning the two Stewart daughters.
MS - Mike Scott, MSP Detective Sergeant, leading the investigation into Venus' disappearance.
PLACES OF INTEREST:
DD - Driftwood Drive, where Venus was abducted.
NN - Newport News, where Doug Stewart currently lives.
SJC - St. Joseph's County, from which Venus was abducted.
Colon Township - Driftwood Drive is located on the very northern edge of Colon Twp.
Leonidas - community in which Doug's father's farm is located.
LOCAL MEDIA:
MLIVE (http://www.mlive.com) - Kalamazoo (MI) Gazette newspaper and local media site.
WTVB Radio (http://www.wtvbam.com/) - AM radio in Branch County, MI.
WOODTV (http://www.woodtv.com/) - NBC TV station in Grand Rapids, MI.
WZZM13 (http://www.wzzm13.com) - CBS TV station in Western Michigan.
WWMT (http://www.wwmt.com) - CBS station for Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, and Grand Rapids, MI.
WNDU (http://www.wndu.com) - NBC TV in South Bend, MI.
Daily Reporter (http://www.thedailyreporter.com/) - Coldwater, MI, newspaper.
Battle Creek Enquirer (http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com) - newspaper in Battle Creek, MI.
Sturgis Jornal (http://www.sturgisjournal.com) - Sturgis, MI, newspaper.
Three Rivers News (http://www.threeriversnews.com) - Three Rivers, MI, newspaper.
WAVY (http://www.wavy.com) - Newport News, VA, NBC TV station.
WVEC (http://www.wvec.com) - Hampton Roads, VA, ABC TV station.
DailyPress (http://www.dailypress.com/) - Newport News, VA, daily newspaper's website.
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NEWS:
MSP Twitter (http://twitter.com/michstatepolice) - official twitter account for Michigan State Police, frequently updated.
MSP News Releases (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1586---,00.html) - official press releases by Michigan State Police.
CASE-RELATED LINKS:
Douglas Stewart's Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/dougstewart44) - see family videos.
Case Archive Album (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Venus%20Stewart/) - a must-see link of case-related photos compiled by WSer AmandaReckonwith (thanks!)
Map of case-related locations (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113741092510424599794.0004864e778f01c9efec5&ll=42.075801,-85.679626&spn=1.170196,2.046204&z=24)
Sierra1947 Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947) - archive of all Nancy Grace shows.
PREVIOUS THREADS AT WEBSLEUTHS ON VENUS'CASE
Thread 1 - 4/27/2010 to 5/07/2010
Thread 2 - 5/07/2010 to 5/10/2010
Thread 3 - 5/10/10 to 5/13/10
Thread 4 - 5/13/10 to 5/17/10
Thread 5 - 5/17-10 to 5/19/10
Thread 6 - 5/19/10 to 5/28/10
Thread 7 - 5/28/2010 - 6/2/2010
THE VICTIM - VENUS ROSE MCCOMB STEWART:
Venus Stewart is described as a white female, 5-feet, 4-inches tall and weighing 130 pounds. She has brown eyes and dark hair.
Click the image below to go to a slideshow of photos of Venus Stewart.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3769/venusj.jpg (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003328.html)
IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION:
Police ask anyone with information about Venus Stewart’s whereabouts to call the State Police post in White Pigeon at 269-483-7611, or the MSP Rockford Regional Dispatch Center at (616) 866-6666 or 911.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 12:05 PM
If the original Doug bought the murder kit at Wal Mart. did he pay cash? The imposter(s) had all of his paperwork according to LE. Did the receipt show method of payment?
Yeah.
“We believe that he was pretending to be Mr. Stewart or impersonating Mr. Stewart at a number of different businesses, paying bills, drawing funds, things of that nature,” said Lt. Risko. “He probably must have had a number of Doug Stewart's personal documents.”
It seems ol' Doug is quite the risk-taker. Leaving Faux-Doug to tool around NN, he heads to MI (stopping at WalMart along the way, of course), driving a gas-guzzling crew-cab truck, on the chance he'll catch Venus early in the morning---and that no one else in the home will be up and about. Has to be early morning, because he has a long drive back home, and his impersonator goes off duty that night. But what luck! Venus just happens to come out of the house --- and even luckier for Doug --- NO one hears the struggle, no one sees him take her and drive away... in spite of it being a time when people are waking up, going to school and work, walking their dogs, etc. Everyone except Venus' family, that is. Anywho... he manages to do *something* to Venus, ditches his WalMart murder kit, and heads back to VA, again taking a chance that there won't be any delays (accidents, road work, traffic congestion, vehicle trouble, tickets), making it back in an incredible 12 hours after her abduction.
If only his doppelganger hadn't decided to dress like the unabomber that fateful morning...
believe09
06-02-2010, 12:44 PM
I am still stuck guys on the idea that he hired/coerced someone to impersonate him. I want so badly to say IF. Because it seems surreal.
Breathe
06-02-2010, 01:00 PM
Did Doug get a roommate after Venus left? Maybe to help cover expenses because of future legal fees? Wonder if Doug gave the roommate money to pay bills for him and this isn't a disguise but just how the guy dresses.
But it's not likely that you'd give someone else your credit card/debit and pin, you'd give them cash or a check. And wouldn't the roommate come forward by now if he felt he was set up?
RubyRed
06-02-2010, 01:18 PM
Bizarre twist emerges in missing person case
Police say those impersonating Doug Stewart may not know anything about Venus' disappearance, but they still want to talk to them.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100602/News01/100609874/-1/XML
spamelope
06-02-2010, 01:21 PM
Okay, so I guess not only did they not go over to the apartment, they just gave his cell phone a jingle? It's nice that they believe in the honor system in a possible kidnapping/homicide case.
Douglas Stewart (or someone answering his cell phone) was contacted by Michigan State Police in the evening of April 26 in Newport News, Va. Subsequently, his pickup truck was located several blocks from his home containing an April 25 receipt from an Ohio Wal-Mart store for the purchase of a shovel, tarp, gloves, and a hat.
http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/02/news/local_news/doc4c06653fcc0c2393328092.txt
SBM
Amster
06-02-2010, 01:26 PM
Bizarre twist emerges in missing person case
Police say those impersonating Doug Stewart may not know anything about Venus' disappearance, but they still want to talk to them.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100602/News01/100609874/-1/XML
Back to more than one impersonator?? Doug squared. :crazy:
RubyRed
06-02-2010, 01:31 PM
Back to more than one impersonator?? Doug squared. :crazy:
This is a three ring circus.
Amster
06-02-2010, 01:32 PM
This is a three ring circus.
yep...clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...:crazy:
RubyRed
06-02-2010, 01:41 PM
Michigan State Police ask for information on Newport News man
Anyone with information on someone pretending to be Douglas Stewart on April 25 or 26 is being asked to call (269) 483-7611, police wrote in a news release. After 4 p.m., call 1-866-6666. In Newport News, call Crime Line at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP (562-5887).
http://hamptonroads.com/node/556823
lilcatt
06-02-2010, 01:55 PM
:cat:
DS has several brothers doesn't he or other relatives?
LIONKING21
06-02-2010, 02:05 PM
DS is the only son, no brothers
maggieo
06-02-2010, 02:42 PM
Okay, so I guess not only did they not go over to the apartment, they just gave his cell phone a jingle? It's nice that they believe in the honor system in a possible kidnapping/homicide case.
Douglas Stewart (or someone answering his cell phone) was contacted by Michigan State Police in the evening of April 26 in Newport News, Va.
http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/02/news/local_news/doc4c06653fcc0c2393328092.txt
SBM
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so YEAH, that's what I've been wondering all along!! They never said they SAW him on Monday night, just that he was "contacted." And no one ever said that it was definitely a land line, either.
If all they did was talk to him on an unpinged cell-phone, sheesh, the whole driving time thing is moot. He could have rolled into town the next day.
BeanE
06-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Douglas Stewart (or someone answering his cell phone) was contacted by Michigan State Police in the evening of April 26 in Newport News, Va.
Loudspeaker: Would whichever Doug or other person or impersonator thereof who may or may not have answered the real or an impersonated Doug's or other person's or impersonator's cell phone on the evening of April 26 please call the Pigeon Post? Thank you.
BeanE
06-02-2010, 04:50 PM
If Venus Stewart doesn't turn up alive and well, police say the impersonator who was helping Stewart could be charged as an accessory or an accessory after the fact, depending on why he thought he was pretending to be Doug Stewart.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7474438
and just for fun:
police say at least on person, possibly more, were travelling around Newport News, claiming to be Doug Stewart
Tomorrow's headline:
Thousands of Doug Stewarts Converge on Newport News
A strange cacophony of voices was heard throughout the streets of Newport News, Virginia, on the April 25th and 26th of this year, as scores of Doug Stewart impersonators descended, entering businesses to pay bills and draw funds.
"I'm Doug Stewart!"... "No, I'm Doug Stewart!"... came the plaintive wails from all sides, as Newport News citizens became lost in the sea of Doug Stewart impersonators flooding the streets of their beloved city.
eyes4crime
06-02-2010, 04:58 PM
If Venus Stewart doesn't turn up alive and well, police say the impersonator who was helping Stewart could be charged as an accessory or an accessory after the fact, depending on why he thought he was pretending to be Doug Stewart.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7474438
and just for fun:
police say at least on person, possibly more, were travelling around Newport News, claiming to be Doug Stewart
Tomorrow's headline:
Thousands of Doug Stewarts Converge on Newport News
A strange cacophony of voices was heard throughout the streets of Newport News, Virginia, on the April 25th and 26th of this year, as scores of Doug Stewart impersonators descended, entering businesses to pay bills and draw funds.
"I'm Doug Stewart!"... "No, I'm Doug Stewart!"... came the plaintive wails from all sides, as Newport News citizens became lost in the sea of Doug Stewart impersonators flooding the streets of their beloved city.
Wonder how many Doug Stewarts got married that day? :waitasec:
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:03 PM
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so YEAH, that's what I've been wondering all along!! They never said they SAW him on Monday night, just that he was "contacted." And no one ever said that it was definitely a land line, either.
If all they did was talk to him on an unpinged cell-phone, sheesh, the whole driving time thing is moot. He could have rolled into town the next day.
It was his cell number. They would have the pings to tell be able to tell where he was when they called.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:11 PM
Just getting in from work and I think I'm somewhat caught up.
So, just as I was questioning yesterday, they did not SEE him at 8:00 pm on Monday.
I'm sure he didn't bring his cell with him to MI so I'm guessing whoever he left his credit/debit card with also had his cell. IMO when LE called it at 8:00 pm it was not DS who answered but the person said he was. Therefore, the cell would ping from the area if DSs apartment.
crystalgenie
06-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Will the real Doug Stewart please standup? This new song has been released by the NN LE and MI LE. The lyrics are sang to the music of Eminem's "Slim Shady."
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:14 PM
It was his cell number. They would have the pings to tell be able to tell where he was when they called.
I think the faux DS had the cell phone the whole time. IMO it never left NN. I'm sure he used it a few times as well so that there would be several pings and phonecalls from NN area.
DS thought he was being SO smart IMO.
But, IMO, he was being stupid and cocky.
Just another nail in his coffin.
JMO
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:18 PM
I think the faux DS had the cell phone the whole time. IMO it never left NN. I'm sure he used it a few times as well so that there would be several pings and phonecalls from NN area.
DS thought he was being SO smart IMO.
But, IMO, he was being stupid and cocky.
Just another nail in his coffin.
JMO
Police record their telephone conversations. Easy enough for them to analyze the voice and determine who it was they spoke to.
Then again, we're talking about the same people who haven't figured out in a month's time how to get his truck back to MI.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:20 PM
Police record their telephone conversations. Easy enough for them to analyze the voice and determine who it was they spoke to.
Then again, we're talking about the same people who haven't figured out in a month's time how to get his truck back to MI.
Maybe that's where some of the digital voice recording equipment they took from his apartment will come in.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Maybe that's where some of the digital voice recording equipment they took from his apartment will come in.
How so?
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:25 PM
Now we have another report containing the same information that was posted earlier:
Up to now, investigators have stopped short of naming her estranged husband, Doug Stewart, as a suspect in her disappearance.
Now, they say they've found a major hole in Stewart's alibi for the day she vanished. On Tuesday, they said they have evidence putting Doug Stewart in Michigan the morning of her disappearance, returning to his home in Newport News, Virginia just after 8:00 p.m. that day.
However, for up to 48 hours prior, and possibly during the time he was in Michigan, police say at least on person, possibly more, were travelling around Newport News, claiming to be Doug Stewart.
"We believe he (the imposter) was impersonating Mr. Stewart in a number of different businesses, paying bills, drawing funds, things of that nature," said Lt. Mike Risko of the Michigan State Police.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7474438
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:26 PM
IMO MSP has handled this case just fine. Seems they were on to him from day 1 and have been very careful gathering the info without letting too much out in the process until they have what they need.
I'm sure they know how to move a truck from point A to point B. There is a lot more to it than just putting on a flat bed. They have to be sure about the chain of evidence during the move and they have to make sure they have the proper paperwork. We don't know all the details so I'm not quite ready to be so critical of them just yet.
I'm sure they know what they are doing.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Police have two reasons they believe there is an impersonator: investigators can place Doug at a Walmart in Ohio the night before Venus disappeared, and there is a witness who can place Doug in Michigan the day she was abducted.
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Is-there-a-Doug-Stewart-impersonator
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:28 PM
How so?
How so?
I'm sure you know how so. U gonna make me type it all out on this iPhone? Lol
Let me go get my laptop.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:33 PM
IMO MSP has handled this case just fine. Seems they were on to him from day 1 and have been very careful gathering the info without letting too much out in the process until they have what they need.
I'm sure they know how to move a truck from point A to point B. There is a lot more to it than just putting on a flat bed. They have to be sure about the chain of evidence during the move and they have to make sure they have the proper paperwork. We don't know all the details so I'm not quite ready to be so critical of them just yet.
I'm sure they know what they are doing.
Over a month?
Heck, they could have strapped it to their backs and walked it back from VA by now.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 05:36 PM
How so?
I'm sure you know how so. U gonna make me type it all out on this iPhone? Lol
Let me go get my laptop.
lol ok
I said "Police record their telephone conversations. Easy enough for them to analyze the voice and determine who it was they spoke to." and you said that is where the digital recording devices come in. I'm not seeing the connection, if you can help out please.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 05:39 PM
Ok, it's gonna be a few minutes but I'm working on it. I have to get my laptop from my 12 year old. Wish me luck.
Brb
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 06:01 PM
lol ok
I said "Police record their telephone conversations. Easy enough for them to analyze the voice and determine who it was they spoke to." and you said that is where the digital recording devices come in. I'm not seeing the connection, if you can help out please.
Ok, here goes… Just a theory, pure speculation from what we know as of now…
MSP have said they are certain the guy who said he was Doug that was in the shades and hoodie that paid the bill Monday was not Doug. They are certain he was an imposter/impersonator. We know that impersonator had a credit or debit card of Doug’s.
IMO if Doug had someone pretend to be him and he left his credit/debit card with the imposter, I believe he also left his personal cell phone with the imposter. There is no way DS would have brought his cell phone to MI. He knew it would ping there. I’m sure the imposter had access to Doug’s apartment as well. I think he also was driving the car around NN that day.
Anyway, I think DS planned this out before hand. The digital voice recorders were taken for a reason right? I mean we’ve talked about the BG passes for days because it has been said over and over you can’t just take things unless they have evidentiary value to the case. So, LE feel/felt those recorders had value to the case.
Lets just say DS made a few recordings like “Hello” “This is Douglas Stewart” “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart” “Oh, no! She’s missing? What happened” “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” Follow me???
So, MSP make a call to DS’s cell. Someone picks it up. A few of the voice clips are played. The conversation goes something like this….
DS‘s cell: “Hello” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Hi, can I speak to Douglas Stewart?
DS’s cell: “This is Douglas Stewart” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, are you the husband of Venus Stewart?
DS’s cell: “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart”
MSP: Sir, we hate to bring bad news but Venus is missing and we are calling to see if you have any information about where she may be.
DS’s cell: “Oh No!, She’s Missing? What happened?” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, where were you this morning around 7:00-8:00 am?
DS’s cell: “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
When those recordings are analyzed, DS‘s voice will be proven to be on the tapes right???? So, he thinks that is proof he was home. BUT, LE has the recorders.
***Now, I realize it did not got exactly as I have put forth. But, if only a couple of voice clips were used, it would “prove” DS was on the other line right? Or at least he thought so.
Breathe
06-02-2010, 06:58 PM
WHY would the imposter ever answer DS's cell? His family, co-workers, friends, etc. would know it wasn't his voice...but police wouldn't. That's some friend.
So did the faux Doug also drive Doug's car around that day? Possible his prints are in it but that would be easy to explain since they're friends. (We took a road trip together, drove Doug home from the bar, went to a movie, borrowed the car, etc.)
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:04 PM
WHY would the imposter ever answer DS's cell? His family, co-workers, friends, etc. would know it wasn't his voice...but police wouldn't. That's some friend.
So did the faux Doug also drive Doug's car around that day? Possible his prints are in it but that would be easy to explain since they're friends. (We took a road trip together, drove Doug home from the bar, went to a movie, borrowed the car, etc.)
To provide an alibi for DS for 8:00 pm on Monday. The same reason he said he was DS when he paid that bill earlier in the day on Monday.
I don't know why anybody would do that but LE is certain the imposter lied about being DS when he paid the bill.
Any other suggestions of why LE took the digital voice recorders?
Calliope
06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
Ok, here goes… Just a theory, pure speculation from what we know as of now…
MSP have said they are certain the guy who said he was Doug that was in the shades and hoodie that paid the bill Monday was not Doug. They are certain he was an imposter/impersonator. We know that impersonator had a credit or debit card of Doug’s.
IMO if Doug had someone pretend to be him and he left his credit/debit card with the imposter, I believe he also left his personal cell phone with the imposter. There is no way DS would have brought his cell phone to MI. He knew it would ping there. I’m sure the imposter had access to Doug’s apartment as well. I think he also was driving the car around NN that day.
Anyway, I think DS planned this out before hand. The digital voice recorders were taken for a reason right? I mean we’ve talked about the BG passes for days because it has been said over and over you can’t just take things unless they have evidentiary value to the case. So, LE feel/felt those recorders had value to the case.
Lets just say DS made a few recordings like “Hello” “This is Douglas Stewart” “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart” “Oh, no! She’s missing? What happened” “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” Follow me???
So, MSP make a call to DS’s cell. Someone picks it up. A few of the voice clips are played. The conversation goes something like this….
DS‘s cell: “Hello” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Hi, can I speak to Douglas Stewart?
DS’s cell: “This is Douglas Stewart” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, are you the husband of Venus Stewart?
DS’s cell: “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart”
MSP: Sir, we hate to bring bad news but Venus is missing and we are calling to see if you have any information about where she may be.
DS’s cell: “Oh No!, She’s Missing? What happened?” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, where were you this morning around 7:00-8:00 am?
DS’s cell: “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
When those recordings are analyzed, DS‘s voice will be proven to be on the tapes right???? So, he thinks that is proof he was home. BUT, LE has the recorders.
***Now, I realize it did not got exactly as I have put forth. But, if only a couple of voice clips were used, it would “prove” DS was on the other line right? Or at least he thought so.
Interesting theory, but I don't think that would work in reality.
spamelope
06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
To provide an alibi for DS for 8:00 pm on Monday. The same reason he said he was DS when he paid that bill earlier in the day on Monday.
I don't know why anybody would do that but LE is certain the imposter lied about being DS when he paid the bill.
Any other suggestions of why LE took the digital voice recorders?
I think they may have taken them because Venus allegedly had, at one point, a recording of Doug threatening her with his fathers .357. I think they were looking for that.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Interesting theory, but I don't think that would work in reality.
Why? If you hold a recorder up to a phone and push play and someone's voice says Hello? Or, this is DS. That would not pass a voice analysis?
Amster
06-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Ok, here goes… Just a theory, pure speculation from what we know as of now…
MSP have said they are certain the guy who said he was Doug that was in the shades and hoodie that paid the bill Monday was not Doug. They are certain he was an imposter/impersonator. We know that impersonator had a credit or debit card of Doug’s.
IMO if Doug had someone pretend to be him and he left his credit/debit card with the imposter, I believe he also left his personal cell phone with the imposter. There is no way DS would have brought his cell phone to MI. He knew it would ping there. I’m sure the imposter had access to Doug’s apartment as well. I think he also was driving the car around NN that day.
Anyway, I think DS planned this out before hand. The digital voice recorders were taken for a reason right? I mean we’ve talked about the BG passes for days because it has been said over and over you can’t just take things unless they have evidentiary value to the case. So, LE feel/felt those recorders had value to the case.
Lets just say DS made a few recordings like “Hello” “This is Douglas Stewart” “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart” “Oh, no! She’s missing? What happened” “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” Follow me???
So, MSP make a call to DS’s cell. Someone picks it up. A few of the voice clips are played. The conversation goes something like this….
DS‘s cell: “Hello” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Hi, can I speak to Douglas Stewart?
DS’s cell: “This is Douglas Stewart” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, are you the husband of Venus Stewart?
DS’s cell: “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart”
MSP: Sir, we hate to bring bad news but Venus is missing and we are calling to see if you have any information about where she may be.
DS’s cell: “Oh No!, She’s Missing? What happened?” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, where were you this morning around 7:00-8:00 am?
DS’s cell: “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
When those recordings are analyzed, DS‘s voice will be proven to be on the tapes right???? So, he thinks that is proof he was home. BUT, LE has the recorders.
***Now, I realize it did not got exactly as I have put forth. But, if only a couple of voice clips were used, it would “prove” DS was on the other line right? Or at least he thought so.
So, now Doug is psychic?? He knew exactly what LE would say? And in what order!! This guy is truly amazing!
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:24 PM
I think they may have taken them because Venus allegedly had, at one point, a recording of Doug threatening her with his fathers .357. I think they were looking for that.
Why would DS have it though?
If VS made the recording and I think it was after she left DS right? How would DS have it?
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:26 PM
Amster, with all due respect...did you read my ENTIRE post. I mean, did you read the part where I said I realize it's not exactly how it happened but a couple of clips with his voice on it could be used in a voice analysis?
I was giving examples not saying how the conversation went down. That is clearly stated in my post.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
I think they may have taken them because Venus allegedly had, at one point, a recording of Doug threatening her with his fathers .357. I think they were looking for that.
It was by all accounts a nasty custody battle, with some pretty horrible accusations from both sides, not to mention the in-laws despising him. It's not against the law in VA to record a conversation as long as one party knows it's being recorded. My guess is he was trying to get some dirt to use against Venus in court, and evidence of LM / TM interfering with his order to speak to his daughters.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 07:31 PM
Why would DS have it though?
If VS made the recording and I think it was after she left DS right? How would DS have it?
If he recorded the conversation too....
TGIRecovered
06-02-2010, 07:31 PM
To provide an alibi for DS for 8:00 pm on Monday. The same reason he said he was DS when he paid that bill earlier in the day on Monday.
I don't know why anybody would do that but LE is certain the imposter lied about being DS when he paid the bill.
Any other suggestions of why LE took the digital voice recorders?
Maybe they suspect that Doug may have used a recording of some sort to lure Venus outside that morning.
Possibly he tried to use it to record some kind of forced statement from Venus before he killed her. I'm sure that Doug would have loved to have Venus recant the sex abuse allegations.
I hate to say it, but if he did sexually abuse his children, he might have recorded that too.
Amster
06-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Amster, with all due respect...did you read my ENTIRE post. I mean, did you read the part where I said I realize it's now exactly how it happened but a couple of clips with his voice on it could be used in a voice analysis?
With all due respect, I did read it. All of it. Even quoted it. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by laughing....didn't realize you were serious.
spamelope
06-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Why would DS have it though?
If VS made the recording and I think it was after she left DS right? How would DS have it?
I'm not sure when that tape was made. If it was made during one of their other wars, she may have left it behind when she fled. I'm sure that there's juicy stuff on those from all their fights, at any rate.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:34 PM
Thanks to those who responded in a respectful manner. I appreciate it.
Those were my thoughts on the recorder too when we first saw the warrants.
I was just throwing a theory out there. I still don't think DS was in his apartment at 8:00 pm and whoever answered the call was not DS.
JMO
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:37 PM
IMO the theory someone answered his phone and played a couple of voice clips is no more crazy than the theory someone was able to "plant" all this evidence to frame DS. Just sayin.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Why? If you hold a recorder up to a phone and push play and someone's voice says Hello? Or, this is DS. That would not pass a voice analysis?
Hard to say. They could very well have a way of telling it came from a recorder. But regardless, how would he know that would be the part they'd analyze. I do believe they'd analyze the entire conversation, especially his reaction to the news she's missing, if he had anything to do with it, etc., looking for stress to indicate lying. And there's no way he could anticipate their questions and respond in such a manner so as not to raise their suspicions. In any case, police have stated it was Doug they spoke with, that he was in VA that evening. After going public with this laughable Doug-squared (or even cubed) theory, I think they would have told us if they suspected PseudoDoug had been the one to answer the cell.
cj1132
06-02-2010, 07:46 PM
IMO, DS is responsible for the disappearance of VS. I also think that this whole impersonator alibi is very bizarre. I'm thinking that DS spent so much time and energy planning out an elaborate alibi that he forgot to think about the basic things.
thinkaboutthis
06-02-2010, 07:46 PM
Ok, here goes… Just a theory, pure speculation from what we know as of now…
MSP have said they are certain the guy who said he was Doug that was in the shades and hoodie that paid the bill Monday was not Doug. They are certain he was an imposter/impersonator. We know that impersonator had a credit or debit card of Doug’s.
IMO if Doug had someone pretend to be him and he left his credit/debit card with the imposter, I believe he also left his personal cell phone with the imposter. There is no way DS would have brought his cell phone to MI. He knew it would ping there. I’m sure the imposter had access to Doug’s apartment as well. I think he also was driving the car around NN that day.
Anyway, I think DS planned this out before hand. The digital voice recorders were taken for a reason right? I mean we’ve talked about the BG passes for days because it has been said over and over you can’t just take things unless they have evidentiary value to the case. So, LE feel/felt those recorders had value to the case.
Lets just say DS made a few recordings like “Hello” “This is Douglas Stewart” “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart” “Oh, no! She’s missing? What happened” “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” Follow me???
So, MSP make a call to DS’s cell. Someone picks it up. A few of the voice clips are played. The conversation goes something like this….
DS‘s cell: “Hello” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Hi, can I speak to Douglas Stewart?
DS’s cell: “This is Douglas Stewart” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, are you the husband of Venus Stewart?
DS’s cell: “Yes, I am married to Venus Stewart”
MSP: Sir, we hate to bring bad news but Venus is missing and we are calling to see if you have any information about where she may be.
DS’s cell: “Oh No!, She’s Missing? What happened?” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
MSP: Mr. Stewart, where were you this morning around 7:00-8:00 am?
DS’s cell: “I was home all day today except to pay a few bills” (DS’s voice from the recorder)
When those recordings are analyzed, DS‘s voice will be proven to be on the tapes right???? So, he thinks that is proof he was home. BUT, LE has the recorders.
***Now, I realize it did not got exactly as I have put forth. But, if only a couple of voice clips were used, it would “prove” DS was on the other line right? Or at least he thought so.
This seems like an awful lot of planning, preparing, scheming and forethought to go through the process of recruiting someone to walk around Newport News and pretend to be you for 2 days and have pre-recorded police messages on digital voice recorders for your impostor to play for the cops when they call, only to then turn around and use your own obvious vehicle to drive to Michigan, waltz into a Walmart in Ohio and buy an obvious murder kit where there are a million cameras watching your every move, then not hide out of sight, but instead, park right accross the street from Venus's parents house in plain view of neighbors and during daylight hours, yet commit an epic quick, quiet, bloodless, hairless, screamless minute-long abduction, do God knows what or where with Venus, drive the same obvious truck (with nationwide BOLO's and APB's in effect and hundreds of cameras around) back to Virginia without being seen, only to THEN after all that hard work and planning...leave the Walmart receipt out in the open and leave the truck on a public street for the PO-PO to easily find and search? They should call this, THE RAIN MAN case...because I think there is some mental imcompetence peppered in with obvious genius if this is all true. He's a good driver...but only on Monday's...yeah, he's a real good driver...
Calliope
06-02-2010, 07:47 PM
IMO, DS is responsible for the disappearance of VS. I also think that this whole impersonator alibi is very bizarre. I'm thinking that DS spent so much time and energy planning out an elaborate alibi that he forgot to think about the basic things.
Could be. A forest / trees kinda thing.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:48 PM
Douglas Stewart (or someone answering his cell phone) was contacted by Michigan State Police in the evening of April 26 in Newport News, Va. Subsequently, his pickup truck was located several blocks from his home containing an April 25 receipt from an Ohio Wal-Mart store for the purchase of a shovel, tarp, gloves, and a hat.
***IMO this could have been someone else who answered his phone. MSP has not said either way that I have seen.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:49 PM
IMO, DS is responsible for the disappearance of VS. I also think that this whole impersonator alibi is very bizarre. I'm thinking that DS spent so much time and energy planning out an elaborate alibi that he forgot to think about the basic things.
I totally agree with you.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 07:50 PM
This seems like an awful lot of planning, preparing, scheming and forethought to go through the process of recruiting someone to walk around Newport News and pretend to be you for 2 days and have pre-recorded police messages on digital voice recorders for your impostor to play for the cops when they call, only to then turn around and use your own obvious vehicle to drive to Michigan, waltz into a Walmart in Ohio and buy an obvious murder kit where there are a million cameras watching your every move, then not hide out of sight, but instead, park right accross the street from Venus's parents house in plain view of neighbors and during daylight hours, yet commit an epic quick, quiet, bloodless, hairless, screamless minute-long abduction, do God knows what or where with Venus, drive the same obvious truck (with nationwide BOLO's and APB's in effect and hundreds of cameras around) back to Virginia without being seen, only to THEN after all that hard work and planning...leave the Walmart receipt out in the open and leave the truck on a public street for the PO-PO to easily find and search? They should call this, THE RAIN MAN case...because I think there is some mental imcompetence peppered in with obvious genius if this is all true. He's a good driver...but only on Monday's...yeah, he's a real good driver...
But see, as crazy as all this sounds...it's even crazier IMO to think someone could have set all this up to point to Doug.
He did it IMO.
Searchfortruth
06-02-2010, 07:56 PM
No doubt in my mind that Doug killed Venus. I guess LE is looking for the fake Doug that was sent to run errands (in VA), all to give Doug an alibi. LE just said that Doug WAS in Michigan the day Venus disappeared. Now let's get an arrest going...Justice for Venus is waiting.
believe09
06-02-2010, 07:57 PM
An arrest based upon what at this point, though? A little physical evidence would be nice. JMO.
believe09
06-02-2010, 08:01 PM
Listen, while we are waiting-where is Venus? I mean we have a finite period of time to play with, so IF the perp is DS and he drove from Colon to NN on the day of the abduction, where did he put her in the few hours he had to deal with her?
If he really was there the day before, he had plenty of time to choose an area and pre-plan where he would put her. Once he grabbed her, he would just need to transport her there and beat feet.
The question for me is if DS is the perp, where would he have put her and would he have chosen a place he could return to say on family picnics in the future? Or would he have just dumped her, never to return.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 08:02 PM
Douglas Stewart (or someone answering his cell phone) was contacted by Michigan State Police in the evening of April 26 in Newport News, Va. Subsequently, his pickup truck was located several blocks from his home containing an April 25 receipt from an Ohio Wal-Mart store for the purchase of a shovel, tarp, gloves, and a hat.
***IMO this could have been someone else who answered his phone. MSP has not said either way that I have seen.
If they've not done an analysis to determine if it was Doug answering the phone, then his attorney is REALLY doing the happy dance. An ecstatic jig, if you will.
:waitasec:
Maybe that's their plan. To wear out his attorney so he doesn't have the energy to defend Doug.
believe09
06-02-2010, 08:03 PM
I think I like the tomato patch idea-I mean was there a plowed field or a dug well that was just filled in on that day??? MSP would be able to see that from the air, though-did they do air searches for her?
DairyGirl
06-02-2010, 08:11 PM
If they have a recording of the contact that was made with "Doug" on April 26th, maybe they took his voice recorder to do an analysis of the voice on the LE recording and a known sample of his voice?
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 08:11 PM
If they've not done an analysis to determine if it was Doug answering the phone, then his attorney is REALLY doing the happy dance. An ecstatic jig, if you will.
:waitasec:
Maybe that's their plan. To wear out his attorney so he doesn't have the energy to defend Doug.
Again, we don't know if they have or not. We need to remember we don't know all that LE knows.
He has been POI from the beginning and they have said they will not name him a suspect until they have an arrest warrant in their hands. IMO they are in the gathering stage right now and getting as much as they can BEFORE the arrest. IMO that does not mean they don't have enough to arrest them, they are just doing as much as they can until they arrest him.
Speedy trial thing kicks in upon charges right?
I don't think he is a danger to anybody else. He hated VS IMO and wanted HER dead. He threatened HER. He thinks he was sly enough to get away with it. I don't see him killing again. JMO
So, LE is in no rush to make an arrest.
But, I would like to know why we are not hearing much on what they are doing to locate VS. They have not talked much about that at all.
I'd like to know what's going on with that part of the case. Maybe they think if they squeeze DS enough, he will spill the beans. I don't think he will.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 08:13 PM
If they have a recording of the contact that was made with "Doug" on April 26th, maybe they took his voice recorder to do an analysis of the voice on the LE recording and a known sample of his voice?
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Great point DairyGirl!!! They would need a voice to compare their recording to.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
cluciano63
06-02-2010, 08:45 PM
As far as more searching...now that they believe they know DS was in MI only to return to VA, how on earth could they decide where to expend their resources and efforts in locating her? She could be in any one of several states, as I doubt he would have made any more stops nearby if (he thought) he was lucky enough to that point to grab her, unseen. Even if he drove twenty or forty miles before leaving her, that's just too much distance to search effectively with no clues. And it is usually someone other than LE who finds a body, unfortunately, someone just going about their business. Maybe that will happen in this case.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 08:50 PM
cluciano, I hope too she is found soon.
Those who love her need to know what happened to her.
I feel she is deceased. I wish she wasn't.
And, you are right, almost always someone else finds the body. I just hope he was in such a hurry he didn't hide it very well and someone will spot it soon.
I even thought of the tarp. I wonder if it was one of those bright blue ones. If so and she is wrapped in it, even if only a little bit of the tarp is showing, it will be more noticeable than just a body. KWIM
I pray daily that she is found. God bless her. She did not deserve this.
thinkaboutthis
06-02-2010, 09:16 PM
But see, as crazy as all this sounds...it's even crazier IMO to think someone could have set all this up to point to Doug.
He did it IMO.
Crazy is a state of mind. Crazy comes in all shapes and sizes too. It depends largely on the viewpoint of the person who is committing the act and what they believe their motives are. People do strange things and this case especially shows us that things are often not what they really seem.
In my opinion...whatever has happened in Venus Stewart's case is a direct result of the "criminal" allegations that went back and forth, the tit-for-tat, as some have called it. But these are not allegations that can be thrown out there for casual consumption or on a whim without expecting some kind of blowback, hurt feelings, or even crazy behavior to follow.
From what we know, the criminal "allegations" were a two way street. There could be any number of people on either side of the equation who feel the children need to be protected from the other party and that any actions to that end are justifiable and even righteous, that's even before you involve religion. (if any of them are religious, I have no idea). Heck, some of the people on this thread have become extremely emotional about this case and have no involvement in it. Imagine the disdain that the actual players must have for each other.
There is plenty of crazy to go around in this case...and it's not the people who are in here thinking diligently about all the known facts of the case.
IMO Doug would have a hard time not wanting to hurt someone who he thought may have "done something criminal" around his children. I would also think Doug would have a hard time not wanting to hurt someone who falsely accused him of hurting one of his own children. I also think that Larry would have a hard time not wanting to hurt Doug if he falsely accused him of doing something criminal, which Venus notes revealed, Doug did. I also think if Doug believed his accusations were true, he'd have a hard time watching his wife take off and return to the person's house he made the criminal allegations against if he believed whatever it was, was true.
There is too much that is unknown at this point to make any more sense of it. But none of it can be a surprise given the sensitive nature of "criminal" allegations and the fact that these people are all emotionally vested and have been for years.
I'm on the fence waiting for the next big shocker to come out in an article in the press followed by DS still walking around free.
There's your crazy. MOO
cbcrime
06-02-2010, 09:35 PM
Just a thought about recorded police lines. The agencies I am familiar with not all lines are recorded. It could be on a recorded line - especially if the officer making the call felt it was important to have a recording. Whenever, one of our officers wanted to ensure a recording - they were on one of those recorded lines. Then again if they were just starting an investigation they could have been on one of the unrecorded lines.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 09:35 PM
Excellent post as usual, think. You nailed it.
Calliope
06-02-2010, 09:38 PM
Just a thought about recorded police lines. The agencies I am familiar with not all lines are recorded. It could be on a recorded line - especially if the officer making the call felt it was important to have a recording. Whenever, one of our officers wanted to ensure a recording - they were on one of those recorded lines. Then again if they were just starting an investigation they could have been on one of the unrecorded lines.
Well, they knew from the very beginning she did not leave willingly. They suspected from the start he had taken her. By the time they reached him in NN, they'd already put out bulletins to the press and were looking for him in connection to her apparent abduction. Since they were calling their number one suspect, I hope to God they recorded the call.
nikkiw319
06-02-2010, 09:45 PM
Forgive me if this idea has already been mentioned. I try to keep up but a lot of time, I miss pages at a time and for the life of me cannot get caught up, lol.
Couldn't he have forwarded his calls to another phone? Either from his home to his cell or even a disposable cell. Or from his cell to a disposable cell. If the police reached him by phone, he may not have been anywhere near home. I frequently forward my home calls to my cell if I am traveling, it's very simple and just involves a little button pushing on the phone. I don't know if that would show up on the phone records that it had been forwarded or not but it was an idea.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Maybe it was "tit for tat" or "a two way street", but only one party is missing, and presumed abducted/hurt/murdered. Maybe 1 just took the tit for tat a little too far and now two innocent children are without a mother and most likely without a father.
I don't think he was framed.
JMO
I think DS is "crazy".
Amster
06-02-2010, 10:13 PM
Maybe it was "tit for tat" or "a two way street", but only one party is missing, and presumed abducted/hurt/murdered. Maybe 1 just took the tit for tat a little too far and now two innocent children are without a mother and most likely without a father.
I don't think he was framed.
JMO
I think DS is "crazy".
Which one? Seems we have several. :waitasec:
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 10:16 PM
Which one? Seems we have several. :waitasec:
The one missing - VS
The one I think took the tit for tat too far - DS
JMO
spamelope
06-02-2010, 10:30 PM
The one missing - VS
The one I think took the tit for tat too far - DS
JMO
I think they meant which "Doug". MOO
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 10:31 PM
I think they meant which "Doug". MOO
The only Douglas Stewart.
I think the one who took the tit for tat too far was the real Douglas Stewart.
cj1132
06-02-2010, 10:32 PM
If it does indeed turn out that DS created this elaborate alibi, which I believe it probably will, it's too bad that he didn't use his creativity in a positive way.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 10:34 PM
Again, CJ, I totally agree with you.
But IMO rage took over and he couldn't be "one upped" by Venus. When she took the kids to MI and filed for temp custody, it drove him over the edge.
JMO/MOO/IMO
Amster
06-02-2010, 10:44 PM
Venus is missing...presumed to be abducted....no proof that she is dead, though. Her own father doesn't believe she is. I certainly hope she's not.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 11:10 PM
I presume she is deceased.
JMO
grayjay
06-02-2010, 11:13 PM
I'm just guessing she would have a hard time surviving the tarp experience. I also thought his intentions for her were not along the lines of kiss and make up at all.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 11:14 PM
Not to mention there is no need for a shovel to hide her somewhere alive.
Kimberlyd125
06-02-2010, 11:44 PM
Just thought I’d throw a list of stuff together. It’s coming from memory. Please feel free to add or correct me as needed. I’m not saying all this is coming from LE, just stuff that has been reported. If I remember it came from LE, I will note that.
What we know/have heard that points to DS
Tire tracks at scene are very close to a match of DS’s truck. Waiting on Truck to arrive in MI
Police say they can put Doug Stewart in St. Joseph County, Michigan the morning Venus Stewart disappeared in April (link: http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/95411964.html )
Search Warrants we saw showed evidence found in both vehicles (Wal-Mart receipt, gloves, possible blood stain…I can’t remember what all was in there)
LE has called him POI since the beginning
LE now says they are sure he was in MI at the time of the abduction
LE now says they are sure the guy who paid the bill in NN claiming to be DS was not DS
The threats we have heard he made
LE says they have found evidence in VA, OH, and MI that they believe is related to VS’s disappearance. (I am assuming they mean evidence they have collected from DS’s apartment, his truck, the Wal-Mart in OH and his parents’ home)
We have heard VS was very scared DS would hurt/kill her if he got the chance.
We have heard VS took out a will shortly before she was abducted stating her wishes of who would take care of the girls.
What we know/have heard that points to DS being framed
Tight time frame (this would depend on if it were really DS who answered cell at 8:00 pm. We have not heard from LE either way if it was or not.)
The fact that so much evidence was left behind
grayjay
06-03-2010, 12:01 AM
LE says they have an eye witness placing him in MI:waitasec:
Just yesterday there was an extensive discussion on WS about this one. AFAIK, no LEO said this.
I remember this and I thought it might have been proven with fingerprints, for example, on the bag a tarp came in. Their wording is carefully vague on how they know.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 12:04 AM
I could have swore I read this today. I'll go back and look. If not, I'll edit and take the LE off.
Thanks.
ETA: fixed it and added link for that one.
Marinemom
06-03-2010, 12:33 AM
IIRC, the .357 referred to in the document was his father's.
Figuring 750 miles between points, that's an average of roughly 62 mph. To make that average speed, and to do all that he allegedly did, not to mention making it through some of the worst/most congested traffic in the country during rush hour on a Monday afternoon and evening... I simply don't think it's possible.
.....if you ONLY do 62 mph on that highway you'd be passed even by the semi's that's speed limit is 60. I know very few people who would ONLY do 62 on a 70 mph speed limit highway. (maybe a little old lady 99 years old that can hardly see over the steering wheel?) So, driving 70 to 80 mph as MOST people do there, that cuts alot of time off the trip....ESPECIALLY if he was in a hurry to get the heck out of there)
Marinemom
06-03-2010, 12:43 AM
Yeah.
It seems ol' Doug is quite the risk-taker. Leaving Faux-Doug to tool around NN, he heads to MI (stopping at WalMart along the way, of course), driving a gas-guzzling crew-cab truck, on the chance he'll catch Venus early in the morning---and that no one else in the home will be up and about. Has to be early morning, because he has a long drive back home, and his impersonator goes off duty that night. But what luck! Venus just happens to come out of the house --- and even luckier for Doug --- NO one hears the struggle, no one sees him take her and drive away... in spite of it being a time when people are waking up, going to school and work, walking their dogs, etc. Everyone except Venus' family, that is. Anywho... he manages to do *something* to Venus, ditches his WalMart murder kit, and heads back to VA, again taking a chance that there won't be any delays (accidents, road work, traffic congestion, vehicle trouble, tickets), making it back in an incredible 12 hours after her abduction.
If only his doppelganger hadn't decided to dress like the unabomber that fateful morning...
Most people can easily make a 750 (or less) mile trip in 10 or 10 1/2 hours - especially if you pick up your McDonalds from the drive through or get it right in the gas stations. Many are right in the gas station or truck stop now. (easy to gas up, pick up your food and hit the road) ;)
mysticrose
06-03-2010, 12:46 AM
Most people can easily make a 750 (or less) mile trip in 10 or 10 1/2 hours - especially if you pick up your McDonalds from the drive through or get it right in the gas stations. Many are right in the gas station or truck stop now. (easy to gas up, pick up your food and hit the road) ;)
Or even pack your own food and your gas in extra tanks in the back, heck you would hardly need to stop :)
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 12:49 AM
.....if you ONLY do 62 mph on that highway you'd be passed even by the semi's that's speed limit is 60. I know very few people who would ONLY do 62 on a 70 mph speed limit highway. (maybe a little old lady 99 years old that can hardly see over the steering wheel?) So, driving 70 to 80 mph as MOST people do there, that cuts alot of time off the trip....ESPECIALLY if he was in a hurry to get the heck out of there)
Ummm...I think it's pretty obvious that she was saying the "average" speed for the entire trip would be about 62mph. Not that he would get on the highway and go 62 the whole way there. Obviously, you cannot drive 70 or more the entire way without any stops, lights, tolls, something to eat, drink, pee, gas, etc. If you factor those things in for even a hurried trip, it cuts time off of the average. Unless DS has some new technology that we're unaware of. Somebody even said they own the same type of vehicle and that they are complete gas hogs.
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 12:51 AM
Or even pack your own food and your gas in extra tanks in the back, heck you would hardly need to stop :)
Maybe he had a short order chef in the back end of the truck and he could just signal when he was hungry and "Cookie" would just whip him up an omelette or a burger?
mysticrose
06-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Remember the astronaut lady, the one who put a diaper on and just drove and drove until she reached FL to try and wack off the other woman ? If you are determined enough you can do anything ......
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Well, I think your point was very valid marinemom.
Yours too mysticrose.
IMO it is possible he made the trip back. We don't know for sure what time he got back. All we know is his phone was answered around 8:00 pm. LE did not see him there. And, he had someone else paying his bills and claiming to be him. So, not a far stretch of the imagination to think someone else answered his phone and that allowed him more time to make it home. That extra time would allow for meals and tee tee breaks. IMO
mysticrose
06-03-2010, 01:11 AM
Ya know my aunt used to set up her home phone to automaticly ring over to her cell phone when she was going to be out of town.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:13 AM
Yeah, I was wondering about call forwarding too. I'm sure if a cell was involved, they may be able to tell if forwarding was done. But, I don't know for sure.
I just don't think he had his cell phone with him because he knew it would be pinging like crazy from VA to MI. I think he left it with the bill paying imposter.
JMO
ETA: Unless he had his calls forwarded to a throw away phones. I'm not sure how that would be traced.
Great point.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:14 AM
Yeah, after we've heard that it's possible that the person who answered the phone was the imposter, there's really no time limit anymore.
We don't know when the real Doug got back to his apartment. The thing that's always perplexed me since reading the warrants is that blood was found on the floorboard of the back seat of the Mercury. To me, it sounds like the body may have been transferred from the truck to the car and then disposed of somewhere in Virginia.
Maybe you can explain blood on the truck's interior door as old--Venus got had a cut or something--but how do you explain blood on the floorboard of the Mercury?
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:16 AM
ETA: Unless he had his calls forwarded to a throw away phones. I'm not sure how that would be traced.
Great point.
That's what I think, Kimberly.
He had a throw-away. He's such a control freak that he would not have left Virginia without some way to keep in touch with his Mini-Me. Likely, Mini-Me also had a throw-away, as well as Doug's cell phone.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:19 AM
I just don't see how anybody would have had access to all the places they have found evidence that they believe is related to the abduction, except DS.
If someone wanted to frame him by doing this, they would have had a lot of places to plant evidence in a very short amount of time. They would have also had to arrange for the bill paying imposter. IMO that would not be easy because the bill paying imposter had a credit/debit card of DS's. How would anybody else have that? Oh, and would have had to have taken DS's truck. And they would have to look a whole lot like DS since LE is saying they can put DS in MI at the time of the abduction.
As hard as I try to wrap my head around the frame theory...I just can't.
I don't think anyone could have pulled that off.
He was the only one that had access to all those places.
ETA: And I forgot about the car. Evidence was found in the car as well.
.....if you ONLY do 62 mph on that highway you'd be passed even by the semi's that's speed limit is 60. I know very few people who would ONLY do 62 on a 70 mph speed limit highway. (maybe a little old lady 99 years old that can hardly see over the steering wheel?) So, driving 70 to 80 mph as MOST people do there, that cuts alot of time off the trip....ESPECIALLY if he was in a hurry to get the heck out of there)
I've driven a similar route... From Kalamazoo, MI to Charlottesville, VA. Approx. 680 miles.
During the day, it took about 11 hours (stopping only to gas up and use facilities, no food stops).
At night, the same route took about 10.25 hours. Interstate the majority of the way. Ave speed on my trips: 70 mph
Kalamazoo, MI to Birmingham, AL. 720 miles. At night 70-75ish mph speeds: 9.5 hours. Daytime: about 10.25 hours.
It's very very possible.
mysticrose
06-03-2010, 01:24 AM
I wonder if the truck had dual gas tanks ? Plus he very well could have had extra gas in the back of the truck limiting how many times he would need to stop.
Around here you always see trucks with actual small fuel tanks in the bed of the truck holding at least 50 or more gallons of gas with a little pump like this pick here, it says it holds an extra 90 gallons;
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350934_200350934?cm_ven=Aggregates&cm_cat=Google&cm_pla=Fuel%20Transfer%20%2B%20Lubrication%3EFuel% 20Transfer%20%2B%20Storage&cm_ite=3490130?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=3490130
http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/3490130_lg.jpg
Marinemom
06-03-2010, 01:25 AM
Remember the astronaut lady, the one who put a diaper on and just drove and drove until she reached FL to try and wack off the other woman ? If you are determined enough you can do anything ......
Well, my father-in-law carries a men's urinal (the plastic ones like from the hospital) in his vehicle so he doesn't have to stop on road trips. :waitasec:
just sayin'....
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:27 AM
Yeah, a lot of trucks have auxiliary tanks. You just flip a switch in the cab while driving down the road.
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 01:28 AM
I just don't see how anybody would have had access to all the places they have found evidence that they believe is related to the abduction, except DS.
If someone wanted to frame him by doing this, they would have had a lot of places to plant evidence in a very short amount of time. They would have also had to arrange for the bill paying imposter. IMO that would not be easy because the bill paying imposter had a credit/debit card of DS's. How would anybody else have that? Oh, and would have had to have taken DS's truck. And they would have to look a whole lot like DS since LE is saying they can put DS in MI at the time of the abduction.
As hard as I try to wrap my head around the frame theory...I just can't.
I don't think anyone could have pulled that off.
He was the only one that had access to all those places.
ETA: And I forgot about the car. Evidence was found in the car as well.
If you go back and read the search warrant docs for the truck, a debit card was found in the truck...along with the Walmart receipt.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:29 AM
Well, my father-in-law carries a men's urinal (the plastic ones like from the hospital) in his vehicle so he doesn't have to stop on road trips. :waitasec:
just sayin'....
Men have it so easy. :crazy:
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:31 AM
If you go back and read the search warrant docs for the truck, a debit card was found in the truck...along with the Walmart receipt.
Ok, but I'm talking about the bill payment. I have several cards in my wallet. The card found in the truck may or may not be related to the bill payment or the purchase at Wal-Mart.
Not sure I'm following what you are saying.
ETA: Wouldn't it be possible for the bill paying imposter to have a card of DS's and DS have a card of DS's?
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:40 AM
I just don't see how anybody would have had access to all the places they have found evidence that they believe is related to the abduction, except DS.
If someone wanted to frame him by doing this, they would have had a lot of places to plant evidence in a very short amount of time. They would have also had to arrange for the bill paying imposter. IMO that would not be easy because the bill paying imposter had a credit/debit card of DS's. How would anybody else have that? Oh, and would have had to have taken DS's truck. And they would have to look a whole lot like DS since LE is saying they can put DS in MI at the time of the abduction.
As hard as I try to wrap my head around the frame theory...I just can't.
I don't think anyone could have pulled that off.
He was the only one that had access to all those places.
ETA: And I forgot about the car. Evidence was found in the car as well.
To me, it's not even a possibility that Doug is being framed. Not even a possibility at all.
Because it was DOUG who provided his alibi to MSP--including paying a bill at his lawyer's office. When MSP checked that alibi, they found that it wasn't Doug who paid the bill but an imposter.
How could someone frame Doug? HE provided his alibi. The alibi that DOUG provided is now fraudulent. No one else could have provided MSP Doug's alibi, only Doug could have. So there's just no way that Doug's being framed.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:41 AM
I agree Puf
ETA: Again, I still think he's toast.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:42 AM
Just a guess... just intuition and not grounded in any fact.
But I think that we'll see Doug file for bankruptcy soon. There's no way he can afford all of the lawyer bills that are about to hit him. I wonder how he expects to pay for his defense attorney, once he's charged.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:43 AM
Public defender? Unless some atty or group of attys want free publicity for giving their services in a high profile case.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:47 AM
Ok, but I'm talking about the bill payment. I have several cards in my wallet. The card found in the truck may or may not be related to the bill payment or the purchase at Wal-Mart.
Not sure I'm following what you are saying.
ETA: Wouldn't it be possible for the bill paying imposter to have a card of DS's and DS have a card of DS's?
Of course it would.
I guarantee you that DS has credit cards. Doug2 may have had one of Doug1's credit cards and may have paid bills with that. You can also withdraw cash with a credit card.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 01:48 AM
Public defender? Unless some atty or group of attys want free publicity for giving their services in a high profile case.
Who is Michigan's Jose Baez?
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:50 AM
Who is Michigan's Jose Baez?
I have no clue. Most cases I have followed have been in FL, NC, CA. I'm not familiar with any MI attorneys. But, I bet they will be crawling out of the woodwork for a high profile case. And if they gather a "dream team" to argue every little thing at every pre trial hearing it will wind up costing the state of MI a ton of money.
Happens all too often.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 02:01 AM
Have you guys seen Michelle Sigona's latest article? She talked to Risko and gleaned this info:
1. Risko - "We know Doug Stewart was in Ohio at a Wal-Mart buying a shovel, hat, gloves and tarp at 6:45 p.m. on the 25th."
2. This Wal-Mart is only two hours away from where Venus was staying with her parents.
3. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.
I haven't been online most of the day, but this is the first time that I've seen the time of the Walmart purchase, that the Walmart was only 2 hours from Colon, and that Doug2 was on video at the apartment complex.
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/06/bizarre-twist-in-missing-mom-abduction/
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 02:02 AM
Ok, but I'm talking about the bill payment. I have several cards in my wallet. The card found in the truck may or may not be related to the bill payment or the purchase at Wal-Mart.
Not sure I'm following what you are saying.
ETA: Wouldn't it be possible for the bill paying imposter to have a card of DS's and DS have a card of DS's?
I'm saying...with what little confirmed information we have access to, Doug Squared could have had the debit card and the truck. The truck has not yet been conclusively proven to have been anywhere other than Virginia that I know of, yes, I know the likely degraded tire tracks from the spot where the witness who reported it several days after the disappearance "appear" to match, but I think MSP knows whether they match or not. They sent forensics investigators down to VA as soon as the eyewitness came forward to compare the tires with the photos of the tracks taken. The FBI was there too. IMO they know... and they have taken almost a month and still don't have the truck in Michigan to compare and see for sure? There is no proof that I've seen yet that the truck was in Ohio either. That is purely speculation at this point.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:04 AM
Have you guys seen Michelle Sigona's latest article? She talked to Risko and gleaned this info:
1. Risko - "We know Doug Stewart was in Ohio at a Wal-Mart buying a shovel, hat, gloves and tarp at 6:45 p.m. on the 25th."
2. This Wal-Mart is only two hours away from where Venus was staying with her parents.
3. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.
I haven't been online most of the day, but this is the first time that I've seen the time of the Walmart purchase, that the Walmart was only 2 hours from Colon, and that Doug2 was on video at the apartment complex.
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/06/bizarre-twist-in-missing-mom-abduction/
I have not seen it.
:eek: They KNOW DS was in the Wal-Mart buying the items!!!! Slam Dunk.
And the imposter was on video at the apartment!!! We kinda figured as much, but I guess it's now confirmed. Wow. DS gave the imposter a lot of access to his stuff. He thought he had the perfect alibi.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:05 AM
I'm saying...with what little confirmed information we have access to, Doug Squared could have had the debit card and the truck. The truck has not yet been conclusively proven to have been anywhere other than Virginia that I know of, yes, I know the likely degraded tire tracks from the spot where the witness who reported it several days after the disappearance "appear" to match, but I think MSP knows whether they match or not. They sent forensics investigators down to VA as soon as the eyewitness came forward to compare the tires with the photos of the tracks taken. The FBI was there too. IMO they know... and they have taken almost a month and still don't have the truck in Michigan to compare and see for sure? There is no proof that I've seen yet that the truck was in Ohio either. That is purely speculation at this point.
I disagree.
Puf's post above is pretty interesting. He's toast.
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 02:08 AM
Who is Michigan's Jose Baez?
Uh...that would be Geoffrey Fieger...remember him?
Kevorkian's right hand man.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:12 AM
I started to go to bed an hour ago. So glad I didn't. Puf, the article you found gives me so much hope justice will be served.
He's going down!!! I feel like singing that song... na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!
They need to find Venus. Her family needs answers. As much as her father would like to say he thinks she's alive, I bet he knows in his heart she is gone. I think denial is a big part of copeing until they find her. So sad.
JMO
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 02:13 AM
I bet that we'll see an arrest of the accessory soon. This person had to be close enough to Doug to be trusted by Doug to:
1) keep the alibi secret
2) allow the guy access to the apartment
3) put the credit card in his hand and trust him to make the rounds in NN
4) answer the phone and pretend to be Doug when MSP informed him that Venus was missing
5) to provide the "right" answers when questioned over phone by MSP
6) not blow it all by saying, "Hey, I'm just the guy he hired to dress up in his clothes, scoot around NN, pay some bills, and be here until he got back."
My guess... this guy is someone very close to Doug, someone trusted by Doug, and someone who will find himself in a world of hurt as soon as MSP identifies him. Unless he was obvious enough to wear gloves on his visit to the attorney's office to pay the bill, his fingerprints will be found on the credit card slip, which he would have had to sign for Doug.
thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 02:13 AM
I disagree.
Puf's post above is pretty interesting. He's toast.
Yep, that.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:17 AM
Snipped from Puf's link above:
Doug Stewart’s alibi stated he was in Newport News, but Lt. Risko can now say for sure he knows this isn’t true. “We put him from Ohio to Michigan,” but he couldn’t say how they know that information for sure. “He was not in Newport News, and we need the impersonator to come forward,” Risko says.
Risko told me there was someone resembling Doug Stewart visiting a variety of places in the area the morning Venus went missing. “This person may not have known what Mr. Stewart was up to.” The impersonator visited Stewart’s law office, and paid a bill for his civil custody case. The employees behind the reception desk did not know for sure what Stewart looked like in person, and the guy had on a hoodie and dark glasses. To them it appeared to be Doug Stewart, and to investigators, it appeared to be a solid alibi. That is until authorities started digging deeper. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.
Now, there goes the "solid" alibi explanation. And why it is now considered bogus.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:20 AM
Oh I agree, riveting. He must have done it. They should arrest him now before he knows they are on to him. Don't you agree?
Well, they know he was the one at the Wal-Mart and he was the one who made the purchase.
Are you saying he was just kind enough to go do that for the person who was framing him?
Are you argueing that that is not solid evidence that he did this? HE BOUGHT THE STUFF!!!
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:24 AM
IMO he is being watched constantly. They know where he is and what he's doing at all times.
IMO an arrest is near.
JMO
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:27 AM
Well, they know he was the one at the Wal-Mart and he was the one who made the purchase.
Are you saying he was just kind enough to go do that for the person who was framing him?
Are you argueing that that is not solid evidence that he did this? HE BOUGHT THE STUFF!!!
Police say they don't think the person on the video(s) in NN was Doug. How do they know the person on video in WalMart isn't an imposter?
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:29 AM
Police say they don't think the person on the video(s) in NN was Doug. How do they know the person on video in WalMart isn't an imposter?
No, I think they said they "know" the person on the video is not Doug. They KNOW it's not him. Big difference.
And they said they "put him" at the Wal-Mart buying the stuff. IMO they would not make that statement if they were not 100% sure.
They said they put him in OH and MI.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:32 AM
Doug Stewart’s alibi stated he was in Newport News, but Lt. Risko can now say for sure he knows this isn’t true. “We put him from Ohio to Michigan,” but he couldn’t say how they know that information for sure. “He was not in Newport News, and we need the impersonator to come forward,” Risko says.
Direct quote from Risko.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:32 AM
No, I think they said they "know" the person on the video is not Doug. They KNOW it's not him. Big difference.
And they said they "put him" at the Wal-Mart buying the stuff. IMO they would not make that statement if they were not 100% sure.
They said they put him in OH and MI.
Well, regardless of that, they need to place him at Venus' parents house at the time she disappeared.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 02:33 AM
Possible Wal-Marts where Doug shopped:
Fremont, OH - 2.5 hours from Colon
Toledo, OH - 2 hours 3 mins from Colon
Wauseon, OH - 1.5 hours from Colon
(Based on supercenters close to the interstate within the 2 hour range)
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 02:36 AM
Well, regardless of that, they need to place him at Venus' parents house at the time she disappeared.
Can be done by:
1) fingerprints on the tarp wrapper
2) boot treads in the dirt on/near driveway scuffle spot
3) gravel matching driveway gravel embedded in DS's boot treads
and many, many other ways.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:37 AM
Well, regardless of that, they need to place him at Venus' parents house at the time she disappeared.
So him faking an alibi, driving to Ohio, buying a tarp, shovel, gloves, hat, then driving to MI the day before VS is abducted. Then going home and lieing his hind end off about not being anywhere near MI at the time is not very compelling?
I know a lot will have to be proven at trial, but you've got to admit, that as much as you don't want to believe DS did this, it's starting to look like there is no way in heck he didn't do it.
All the facts that have been argued since day one that pointed to a frame have been blown out of the water by the recent quotes from Risko.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:41 AM
So him faking an alibi, driving to Ohio, buying a tarp, shovel, gloves, hat, then driving to MI the day before VS is abducted. Then going home and lieing his hind end off about not being anywhere near MI at the time is not very compelling?
I know a lot will have to be proven at trial, but you've got to admit, that as much as you don't want to believe DS did this, it's starting to look like there is no way he didn't do it.
All the facts that have been argued since day one that pointed to a frame have been blown out of the water by the recent quotes from Risko.
Yes, it's compelling and yes it's damning circumstantial evidence. But it doesn't place him at the scene of the crime.
I never said I didn't want to believe DS did this, just to be clear.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:43 AM
Yeah, they say they have proof he bought a tarp at the Wal-Mart. A tarp wrapper was found in the yard from where his wife was abducted.
That would be one heck of a coinkydink.
I agree puf, they may find prints on the tarp wrapper. Because, while I'm sure he was wearing the gloves for the actual abduction, he bought the gloves at Wal-Mart along with the tarp. He had to pick the tarp up to put it in the buggy.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:47 AM
Yes, it's compelling and yes it's damning circumstantial evidence. But it doesn't place him at the scene of the crime.
I never said I didn't want to believe DS did this, just to be clear.
I'd say it's more than circumstantial evidence. Wonder if they can track that tarp wrapper's UPC code to the one bought at Wal-Mart? I bet they can.
I agree you never said you didn't want to believe DS did it that I can remember. Sorry. My fingers were flying and I even said an ugly word. I edited the word, but you had quoted me already. :blushing:
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:48 AM
Yeah, they say they have proof he bought a tarp at the Wal-Mart. A tarp wrapper was found in the yard from where his wife was abducted.
That would be one heck of a coinkydink.
I agree puf, they may find prints on the tarp wrapper. Because, while I'm sure he was wearing the gloves for the actual abduction, he bought the gloves at Wal-Mart along with the tarp. He had to pick the tarp up to put it in the buggy.
Police are making a lot of statements about DS's whereabouts on Monday.
What was his alibi for Sunday between 10 am and 6 pm ?
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:50 AM
I'd say it's more than circumstantial evidence. Wonder if they can track that tarp wrapper's UPC code to the one bought at Wal-Mart? I bet they can.
I agree you never said you didn't want to believe DS did it that I can remember. Sorry. My fingers were flying and I even said an ugly word. I edited the word, but you had quoted me already. :blushing:
The Walmart shopping trip is circumstantial evidence, no matter how compelling it may be.
I didn't notice you were being ugly, I didn't take it that way, no reason to apologize.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:51 AM
Police are making a lot of statements about DS's whereabouts on Monday.
What was his alibi for Sunday between 10 am and 6 pm ?
IMO it really does not matter because they have proof he was in Wal-Mart at 6 something buying the tarp, shovel, hat, and gloves. Then, they say they "put him" in MI after that.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:52 AM
The Walmart shopping trip is circumstantial evidence, no matter how compelling it may be.
I didn't notice you were being ugly, I didn't take it that way, no reason to apologize.
Not if they can place an item he bought there at the scene of the crime.
And if the UPC code on that tarp wrapper matches the UPC code on the tarp he bought the day before, that would pretty much do it. IMO
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:55 AM
I also think they will be able to get some evidence from the gloves they found in the truck if he wore them while abducting VS.
Wonder what kind of gloves they were. I'm thinking they were most likely those thick black work type gloves. They are made of heavy duty fabric. Fabric can hold all kinds of forensic evidence.
IMO
Calliope
06-03-2010, 02:57 AM
IMO it really does not matter because they have proof he was in Wal-Mart at 6 something buying the tarp, shovel, hat, and gloves. Then, they say they "put him" in MI after that.
Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:57 AM
Ok, my alarm will be sounding in about 3 hours. Y'all have a good night.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 02:58 AM
Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.
It's already cracked!
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 03:02 AM
Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.
Ten to Six, he would be on the road toward Ohio.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 03:03 AM
Well it does matter if his alibi places him somewhere else and they can't crack it.
Why does it matter where he was from 10AM to 6PM on Sunday, April 25?
Calliope
06-03-2010, 03:10 AM
Why does it matter where he was from 10AM to 6PM on Sunday, April 25?
The approximate time frame he'd be traveling from NN to Ohio.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 03:18 AM
It's already cracked!
Well, my point was LE is talking about what specifically the imposter did on Monday. Paying bills, withdrawing funds, etc. That they have him on video, and know it's not Doug. They need to crack his alibi for Sunday... they were asking for help regarding FauxDoug for the 25th and 26th. They need proof of someone impersonating him in NN area on the 25th, from roughly 10 am to 6 pm.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:25 AM
It's already cracked!
They say or express an opinion you mean.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 03:31 AM
Ten to Six, he would be on the road toward Ohio.
Which is why I asked about his alibi for that time frame.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:34 AM
Venus is missing...presumed to be abducted....no proof that she is dead, though. Her own father doesn't believe she is. I certainly hope she's not.
Actually, initially he was certain she was (as sure as he was of his name, IIRC). It was only a few weeks later that he became certain she wasn't.
But, he likely doesn't know.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:38 AM
Not to mention there is no need for a shovel to hide her somewhere alive.
I doubt the shovel was part of the plan, if it was he would have got all that stuff in Virginia before he left (if we are to believe all the elaborate preparations he did there). Also, when he got to Colon he apparently had no plan at all, just wait outside on the off chance that she would come out alone (what are the chances of that?).
The whole proposed elaborate plan/no plan at all aspect of this is just crazy.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:43 AM
Just thought I’d throw a list of stuff together. It’s coming from memory. Please feel free to add or correct me as needed. I’m not saying all this is coming from LE, just stuff that has been reported. If I remember it came from LE, I will note that.
What we know/have heard that points to DS
Tire tracks at scene are very close to a match of DS’s truck. Waiting on Truck to arrive in MI
Police say they can put Doug Stewart in St. Joseph County, Michigan the morning Venus Stewart disappeared in April (link: http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/95411964.html )
Search Warrants we saw showed evidence found in both vehicles (Wal-Mart receipt, gloves, possible blood stain…I can’t remember what all was in there)
LE has called him POI since the beginning
LE now says they are sure he was in MI at the time of the abduction
LE now says they are sure the guy who paid the bill in NN claiming to be DS was not DS
The threats we have heard he made
LE says they have found evidence in VA, OH, and MI that they believe is related to VS’s disappearance. (I am assuming they mean evidence they have collected from DS’s apartment, his truck, the Wal-Mart in OH and his parents’ home)
We have heard VS was very scared DS would hurt/kill her if he got the chance.
We have heard VS took out a will shortly before she was abducted stating her wishes of who would take care of the girls.
What we know/have heard that points to DS being framed
Tight time frame (this would depend on if it were really DS who answered cell at 8:00 pm. We have not heard from LE either way if it was or not.)
The fact that so much evidence was left behind
So far as the tire tracks are concerned, the similarity assessment was made on the basis of photographs. I think what that means is that it is the same type of tire (ie make and model). I doubt they would be able to say much more than that based on a photo.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 03:44 AM
I doubt the shovel was part of the plan, if it was he would have got all that stuff in Virginia before he left (if we are to believe all the elaborate preparations he did there). Also, when he got to Colon he apparently had no plan at all, just wait outside on the off chance that she would come out alone (what are the chances of that?).
The whole proposed elaborate plan/no plan at all aspect of this is just crazy.
And the honeymoon in vegas twist with all the PseudoDougs running about.
His attorney won't have to break a sweat on this one.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:47 AM
:waitasec:
Just yesterday there was an extensive discussion on WS about this one. AFAIK, no LEO said this.
I remember this and I thought it might have been proven with fingerprints, for example, on the bag a tarp came in. Their wording is carefully vague on how they know.
They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:50 AM
Well, I think your point was very valid marinemom.
Yours too mysticrose.
IMO it is possible he made the trip back. We don't know for sure what time he got back. All we know is his phone was answered around 8:00 pm. LE did not see him there. And, he had someone else paying his bills and claiming to be him. So, not a far stretch of the imagination to think someone else answered his phone and that allowed him more time to make it home. That extra time would allow for meals and tee tee breaks. IMO
It wouldn't just have been answering the phone, it would have involved talking to LE as well and answering questions.
Natal
06-03-2010, 03:56 AM
Yeah, after we've heard that it's possible that the person who answered the phone was the imposter, there's really no time limit anymore.
We don't know when the real Doug got back to his apartment. The thing that's always perplexed me since reading the warrants is that blood was found on the floorboard of the back seat of the Mercury. To me, it sounds like the body may have been transferred from the truck to the car and then disposed of somewhere in Virginia.
Maybe you can explain blood on the truck's interior door as old--Venus got had a cut or something--but how do you explain blood on the floorboard of the Mercury?
You stop bleeding when you are dead. If she had been dead in the back of the truck for 8-10 hours (presumably wrapped in the tarp since no deposited blood was found in the truck) its hard to see how blood could have ended up in the car. We don't know who's blood is in both cars either, it could be DS's blood or from a third party.
Natal
06-03-2010, 04:03 AM
I just don't see how anybody would have had access to all the places they have found evidence that they believe is related to the abduction, except DS.
If someone wanted to frame him by doing this, they would have had a lot of places to plant evidence in a very short amount of time. They would have also had to arrange for the bill paying imposter. IMO that would not be easy because the bill paying imposter had a credit/debit card of DS's. How would anybody else have that? Oh, and would have had to have taken DS's truck. And they would have to look a whole lot like DS since LE is saying they can put DS in MI at the time of the abduction.
As hard as I try to wrap my head around the frame theory...I just can't.
I don't think anyone could have pulled that off.
He was the only one that had access to all those places.
ETA: And I forgot about the car. Evidence was found in the car as well.
It depends on what that evidence is. If it is something related to VS personally, it wouldn't be surprising to find stuff like that in places where DS had been, since they were married.
The only things that they could say are related to the actual event would be stuff like the clothing she was reportedly wearing that day, or the materials supposedly bought at the Walmart (if they are indeed related to the case). Anything else would be sheer speculation on LEs part.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 04:03 AM
It wouldn't just have been answering the phone, it would have involved talking to LE as well and answering questions.
Michigan State Police say detectives are trying to determine Doug Stewart's alibi for Monday and the days leading to Venus' kidnapping. Lt. Mike Risko says all investigators' contact with Doug Stewart is through his lawyer in Portage.
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/mother-1375777-newschannel-michigan.html
MSP has been consistent in saying that Doug has never answered any questions.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 04:12 AM
You stop bleeding when you are dead. If she had been dead in the back of the truck for 8-10 hours (presumably wrapped in the tarp since no deposited blood was found in the truck) its hard to see how blood could have ended up in the car. We don't know who's blood is in both cars either, it could be DS's blood or from a third party.
Where have you read that there was no blood found in the truck? From the warrant:
L7 - Seven swabs from truck bed liner
Also, you are partially correct in saying that the dead don't bleed. The heart stops pumping blood, but gravitational ooze can occur, and that would account for blood possibly being in the back of the truck, and the same being transferred to the back floorboard of the car.
pufnstuf
06-03-2010, 04:32 AM
They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.
Why would the arrest him now, when they're still looking for the person who alibied him? Why start the speedy trial clock ticking while they're still investigating?
Natal
06-03-2010, 04:42 AM
Snipped from Puf's link above:
Doug Stewart’s alibi stated he was in Newport News, but Lt. Risko can now say for sure he knows this isn’t true. “We put him from Ohio to Michigan,” but he couldn’t say how they know that information for sure. “He was not in Newport News, and we need the impersonator to come forward,” Risko says.
Risko told me there was someone resembling Doug Stewart visiting a variety of places in the area the morning Venus went missing. “This person may not have known what Mr. Stewart was up to.” The impersonator visited Stewart’s law office, and paid a bill for his civil custody case. The employees behind the reception desk did not know for sure what Stewart looked like in person, and the guy had on a hoodie and dark glasses. To them it appeared to be Doug Stewart, and to investigators, it appeared to be a solid alibi. That is until authorities started digging deeper. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.
Now, there goes the "solid" alibi explanation. And why it is now considered bogus.
If the person on the video resembled DS, and was wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, they can't be sure that it wasn't him. If the video was clear enough to be certain that it wasn't DS then it is clear enough to put on TV to get the public to call in tips. Why hasn't that been done if they really want to find this person? That is done in other cases where an unknown party involved in a crime appears on video, so why not in this case?
Risko also could not say how they know DS was in Ohio and Michigan. If their evidence is the reciept and/or unrelated third party witnesses then they can't be sure of that even if they say they are.
Natal
06-03-2010, 04:52 AM
Michigan State Police say detectives are trying to determine Doug Stewart's alibi for Monday and the days leading to Venus' kidnapping. Lt. Mike Risko says all investigators' contact with Doug Stewart is through his lawyer in Portage.
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/mother-1375777-newschannel-michigan.html
MSP has been consistent in saying that Doug has never answered any questions.
They would have asked questions when they called, and he would have answered them. Not the answers they would have wanted, but still answers. And an answer doesn't need to be factual to be an answer, it could be something like "i don't know", "I don't care", "F you", who knows, but he would have said something. Unless you are trying to suggest that he didn't say anything at all or just hung up.
Natal
06-03-2010, 05:01 AM
Why would the arrest him now, when they're still looking for the person who alibied him? Why start the speedy trial clock ticking while they're still investigating?
If they could irrefutably place him at the scene it wouldn't matter what his alibi was. They don't need to find the "impersonator". That person would be facing separate charges and that investigation could continue irrespective of what happens with DS.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 06:54 AM
LARRY MCCOMB: He told me he told the police every step he took that day. I asked him again. He repeated his answer.
Every step. This has been ringing in my head the past few days.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 07:02 AM
Well, regardless of that, they need to place him at Venus' parents house at the time she disappeared.
I'm sure they want to, but they don't need to.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 07:45 AM
If they could irrefutably place him at the scene it wouldn't matter what his alibi was.
What type of evidence irrefutably places a person at a crime scene? My understanding is that there is no type of evidence of this sort that has not been refuted at trial - video, DNA, fingerprints, eyewitnesses - I just can't think of anything that hasn't been refuted.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 07:56 AM
I would like to hear someones theory of how this could have went down if DS did not do it.
Seems all the theories based on evidence and statements by LE have been shot down by some who think DS is being framed.
Can someone who thinks he did not do this share their theory of how someone else could have planted all of this to frame DS.
There seems to be a lot of things pointing to DS. There has been evidence that LE believes is related to the abduction that has been collected at his apartment, his truck, his car, his parents home, and now LE says they KNOW he was the one who bought the items at Wal-Mart.
IMO if you feel sure he did not abduct VS you have a theory in mind. Anyone have an theories?
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 07:58 AM
They say or express an opinion you mean.
No, I mean it's already cracked. If they have evidence that puts DS in the Wal-mart at 6 something Sunday night, where he was before that is invalid. They say they have evidence that puts him in the Wal-mart then in MI. What would it matter where he was before?
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 08:01 AM
I doubt the shovel was part of the plan, if it was he would have got all that stuff in Virginia before he left (if we are to believe all the elaborate preparations he did there). Also, when he got to Colon he apparently had no plan at all, just wait outside on the off chance that she would come out alone (what are the chances of that?).
The whole proposed elaborate plan/no plan at all aspect of this is just crazy.
So, why do you think he bought the shovel along with the tarp, the gloves, and the hat.
In my opinion, it had to be part of the plan. Just as much as the other items.
maggieo
06-03-2010, 08:02 AM
I have to say, if this really did happen the way it looks like it happened, it's got to be one of the most original murder schemes I've ever seen. Instead of hiring a guy to do the murder while he stayed home and lived a life of bill-paying and apartment dwelling, he hired a guy to play the INNOCENT him, while he went off and did the murder!
Seriously, I wish I'd written it.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 08:04 AM
If the person on the video resembled DS, and was wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, they can't be sure that it wasn't him. If the video was clear enough to be certain that it wasn't DS then it is clear enough to put on TV to get the public to call in tips. Why hasn't that been done if they really want to find this person? That is done in other cases where an unknown party involved in a crime appears on video, so why not in this case?
Risko also could not say how they know DS was in Ohio and Michigan. If their evidence is the reciept and/or unrelated third party witnesses then they can't be sure of that even if they say they are.
Well they say they KNOW it wasn't him, are you saying they are lieing?
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 08:06 AM
LARRY MCCOMB: He told me he told the police every step he took that day. I asked him again. He repeated his answer.
Every step. This has been ringing in my head the past few days.
Yeah he told them every step allright. He gave them a false alibi is what he did. Now LE knows he was lieing through his teeth.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 08:09 AM
I have to say, if this really did happen the way it looks like it happened, it's got to be one of the most original murder schemes I've ever seen. Instead of hiring a guy to do the murder while he stayed home and lived a life of bill-paying and apartment dwelling, he hired a guy to play the INNOCENT him, while he went off and did the murder!
Seriously, I wish I'd written it.
Because he's a control freak IMO. He wanted to hurt her. His rage and ego took over. He thought he would give his fake alibi and be cleared right away.
maggieo
06-03-2010, 08:24 AM
Because he's a control freak IMO. He wanted to hurt her. His rage and ego took over. He thought he would give his fake alibi and be cleared right away.
I think you're right. He didn't trust anyone else to do it right.
(My comment wasn't one of disbelief -- just amazement at the weirdness of this story. I've been following this from the very beginning and had NO clue it would get this bizarre.)
believe09
06-03-2010, 08:25 AM
They would have asked questions when they called, and he would have answered them. Not the answers they would have wanted, but still answers. And an answer doesn't need to be factual to be an answer, it could be something like "i don't know", "I don't care", "F you", who knows, but he would have said something. Unless you are trying to suggest that he didn't say anything at all or just hung up.
Or he lawyered up immediately-and referred all questions. Which is what I believe he did. Because, let's face it they had not chatted with him before. How hard would it be to have the faux Doug read off a prepared statement regarding referring all questions to DS' attorney?
Not that I am completely invested in the theory that this is what happened. I am a fan of DS making it back in time to get the call.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 08:30 AM
I have to say, if this really did happen the way it looks like it happened, it's got to be one of the most original murder schemes I've ever seen. Instead of hiring a guy to do the murder while he stayed home and lived a life of bill-paying and apartment dwelling, he hired a guy to play the INNOCENT him, while he went off and did the murder!
Seriously, I wish I'd written it.
Actually, it's not original. Someone posted a case in the last thread where someone did the same thing. I'm sure with some searching more similar cases could be found.
mommame
06-03-2010, 08:36 AM
Not if they can place an item he bought there at the scene of the crime.
And if the UPC code on that tarp wrapper matches the UPC code on the tarp he bought the day before, that would pretty much do it. IMO
Wouldn't the UPC code match the code on the receipt?
BeanE
06-03-2010, 08:41 AM
Yeah he told them every step allright. He gave them a false alibi is what he did. Now LE knows he was lieing through his teeth.
Well, the reason that keeps playing through my head is because I couldn't tell you every step of what I did yesterday. But... if I'd constructed a script or set of instructions for someone to do A, then B, then C, etc, I most definitely would be able to recite that. Every step of it. Easy peasy.
The thing is, people have no reason to track and remember and recite every step of what they did on a certain day, and so, they are unable to readily, upon receiving an unexpected phone call, have one and only one conversation in which they are able to recite every step of what they did on a certain day. We're just not constructed that way, that we can do that.
grayjay
06-03-2010, 08:50 AM
They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.They might not want to tell everything they know, and yet want to tip enough of it to get help from the public. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they can already place him directly at the scene.
It could also be cheaper, to send the tire cast to NN and have a tire expert there make the comparison, than to ship the truck on a flatbed. They could very well also have that information nailed down and not feel the need to tip the public on it.
mommame
06-03-2010, 08:56 AM
ok, here is a WHAT IF situation..all just MOO and thinking out loud but
What if his original plan when he got the accomplise was to go and get his kids.....one way or another they are his kids and no way was he letting her have them...........Doug2 bought into that plan. And agreed to cover for Doug1........but along the way to Mi Doug1 decided to do things a bit different, and since he had the perfect alibi, he would end up with his girls any way. Might take a bit longer but it would all work out for him ( in his mind any way) hence he then stopped and did the infamous Walmart shopping trip.
Doug2 may well have bought that story...some men/father's have been burnt by ex's and will buy into another guys sob stories and want to help ( meaning been burnt in their own minds and not always the case but any way) I can see Doug2 wanting to help in this kind of situation much more then "Hey, ya wanna cover for me, I'm off on a day trip to Mi to kidnap and murder my wife who just left me" . ..not saying this is what happened at all but........kinda makes sence to me that he could have gotten help this way...after the fact doug2 finds out what really took place and now............he is up **** creek. either way he is in to deep to come forward..........he had already pretended for a whole day to be Doug1
MOO and all that stuff
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 08:59 AM
Well, the reason that keeps playing through my head is because I couldn't tell you every step of what I did yesterday. But... if I'd constructed a script or set of instructions for someone to do A, then B, then C, etc, I most definitely would be able to recite that. Every step of it. Easy peasy.
The thing is, people have no reason to track and remember and recite every step of what they did on a certain day, and so, they are unable to readily, upon receiving an unexpected phone call, have one and only one conversation in which they are able to recite every step of what they did on a certain day. We're just not constructed that way, that we can do that.
I totally agree. He had this all planned out in his head and most likely went over it in his head several times on his long trip to MI.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 09:00 AM
Wouldn't the UPC code match the code on the receipt?
I'm sure it would. That tarp wrapper will place him at the crime scene. IMO
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 09:18 AM
They might not want to tell everything they know, and yet want to tip enough of it to get help from the public. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they can already place him directly at the scene.
It could also be cheaper, to send the tire cast to NN and have a tire expert there make the comparison, than to ship the truck on a flatbed. They could very well also have that information nailed down and not feel the need to tip the public on it.
I agree. They said they know he was in MI but are not ready to say how they know.
believe09
06-03-2010, 09:21 AM
As far as more searching...now that they believe they know DS was in MI only to return to VA, how on earth could they decide where to expend their resources and efforts in locating her? She could be in any one of several states, as I doubt he would have made any more stops nearby if (he thought) he was lucky enough to that point to grab her, unseen. Even if he drove twenty or forty miles before leaving her, that's just too much distance to search effectively with no clues. And it is usually someone other than LE who finds a body, unfortunately, someone just going about their business. Maybe that will happen in this case.
Well my point about strategizing her location is because IF DS returned to NN by 8PM, he had a limited period of time to dispose of her. He would have had to plan where he was putting her and to prepare the area. Now, IF the stuff he bought at Walmart was in preparation for his means of hiding/diposing of her, then it is unlikely he chose to dispose of her "on the back end." meaning in NN. A lot of risk there, one being if he was stopped. I mean, he had to figure on the BOLO once someone realized she was gone.
So IF she is in MI, where would she be that would allow him to grab her, incapacitate her and dump her while still maintaining his time line?
BeanE
06-03-2010, 09:25 AM
Kim, those digital voice recorders.
You know how there are some businesses whose phone is always answered by voice mail? And you have to wait for someone to call you back? I have two doctors and a dentist like that. They all have an option to hit a key if it's an emergency and you need to talk to a real live person, but their phones are never answered by a live person, but by voice mail, and for everything but a dire emergency, you leave a message.
Now that I think of it, one of the pharmacies I use is the same way. Leave a message, and someone will call you back.
Suppose Doug recorded messages, and instructed the impostinator to use his (Doug's) cell phone, and play the recorded messages to the voice mail? It would leave an appearance of Doug being in NN using his own cell phone to make local calls and leave messages.
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. Please cancel my appointment on April 30th. I'll call back to re-schedule."
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. I'm afraid I've misplaced my copy of that physical I had a few months ago and I need it for a potential job I just interviewed for. Could you please mail me another copy of it? My address is.... Thanks!"
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. I need a refill of my prescription for xxxxxxx. The prescription number is xxxxxxxx. I'll run by and pick it up tomorrow, so no hurry on getting it ready. Oh and please add a roll of gauze to my order. I burned my finger. Thanks."
And what about a friend who you know always has their VM going during the day while they're at work, and you know never picks up their VMs until they get home at night?
"Hey Billy ol' buddy ol' pal! This is Doug. Gimme a ringy dingy and let's go out for a coupla brewskies tonight!"
"Hiya Joey. This is Doug. Returning your call. Sorry I missed you. Phone tag. Your turn."
believe09
06-03-2010, 09:25 AM
Now, if DS was a fisherman like one of our poster's dad-would he have known a good spot on the river to dump her where she would be unlikely to surface? Like in a backwash. Again, there is a lot of risk there to me-I am a bigger fan of him choosing an area that if people would see him, they were unlikely to comment. Like on his parents property. I mean, clearly they did not tell MSP he was there the day before VS disappeared....or the morning for that matter.
I realize MSP searched their property, but this is where my strategizing has led me...I think they should look for a storm drain, a well, a sink hole. Again, JMO.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Well my point about strategizing her location is because IF DS returned to NN by 8PM, he had a limited period of time to dispose of her. He would have had to plan where he was putting her and to prepare the area. Now, IF the stuff he bought at Walmart was in preparation for his means of hiding/diposing of her, then it is unlikely he chose to dispose of her "on the back end." meaning in NN. A lot of risk there, one being if he was stopped. I mean, he had to figure on the BOLO once someone realized she was gone.
So IF she is in MI, where would she be that would allow him to grab her, incapacitate her and dump her while still maintaining his time line?
Since he bought the shovel around 6pm in Ohio, he had all evening and all night to dig a grave. So after abducting her and doing whatever he did to her, all he had to do was drive there, dump her body, and get the dirt back in. He had plenty of time to get it all that done quickly.
My money is on Venus' body being in a place that's very convenient to the beginning of the route from Venus' parents' home to NN. Although I'm not entirely convinced that Doug rushed back to VA. He had no pressing need to. He had the impostinator taking care of thiings back home.
How long would it take, after backing a truck up to an open grave, to push a body from the truck into that grave, then push/shovel/whatever the dirt on top?
Suppose you had put all the dirt into the cab of the truck onto something like a big sheet of plywood that could be lifted to dump the dirt? Or in a wheelbarrow in the back of your truck? (Clearly I have little experience with this...)
believe09
06-03-2010, 09:52 AM
Since he bought the shovel around 6pm in Ohio, he had all evening and all night to dig a grave. So after abducting her and doing whatever he did to her, all he had to do was drive there, dump her body, and get the dirt back in. He had plenty of time to get it all that done quickly.
My money is on Venus' body being in a place that's very convenient to the beginning of the route from Venus' parents' home to NN. Although I'm not entirely convinced that Doug rushed back to VA. He had no pressing need to. He had the impostinator taking care of thiings back home.
How long would it take, after backing a truck up to an open grave, to push a body from the truck into that grave, then push/shovel/whatever the dirt on top?
Suppose you had put all the dirt into the cab of the truck onto something like a big sheet of plywood that could be lifted to dump the dirt? Or in a wheelbarrow in the back of your truck? (Clearly I have little experience with this...)
Where ever he was Sunday night doing his prep work, it was somewhere he was not easily seen. Maybe it wasnt his parents property. Unless he prepped the container with something that would not draw a dog. :(
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 10:01 AM
Kim, those digital voice recorders.
You know how there are some businesses whose phone is always answered by voice mail? And you have to wait for someone to call you back? I have two doctors and a dentist like that. They all have an option to hit a key if it's an emergency and you need to talk to a real live person, but their phones are never answered by a live person, but by voice mail, and for everything but a dire emergency, you leave a message.
Now that I think of it, one of the pharmacies I use is the same way. Leave a message, and someone will call you back.
Suppose Doug recorded messages, and instructed the impostinator to use his (Doug's) cell phone, and play the recorded messages to the voice mail? It would leave an appearance of Doug being in NN using his own cell phone to make local calls and leave messages.
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. Please cancel my appointment on April 30th. I'll call back to re-schedule."
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. I'm afraid I've misplaced my copy of that physical I had a few months ago and I need it for a potential job I just interviewed for. Could you please mail me another copy of it? My address is.... Thanks!"
"Hi this is Doug Stewart. I need a refill of my prescription for xxxxxxx. The prescription number is xxxxxxxx. I'll run by and pick it up tomorrow, so no hurry on getting it ready. Oh and please add a roll of gauze to my order. I burned my finger. Thanks."
And what about a friend who you know always has their VM going during the day while they're at work, and you know never picks up their VMs until they get home at night?
"Hey Billy ol' buddy ol' pal! This is Doug. Gimme a ringy dingy and let's go out for a coupla brewskies tonight!"
"Hiya Joey. This is Doug. Returning your call. Sorry I missed you. Phone tag. Your turn."
I agree. IMO those recorders were used to deceive folks into thinking he was in NN when he wasn't.
Alibi overkill?
Amster
06-03-2010, 10:28 AM
I would like to hear someones theory of how this could have went down if DS did not do it.
Seems all the theories based on evidence and statements by LE have been shot down by some who think DS is being framed.
Can someone who thinks he did not do this share their theory of how someone else could have planted all of this to frame DS.
There seems to be a lot of things pointing to DS. There has been evidence that LE believes is related to the abduction that has been collected at his apartment, his truck, his car, his parents home, and now LE says they KNOW he was the one who bought the items at Wal-Mart.
IMO if you feel sure he did not abduct VS you have a theory in mind. Anyone have an theories?
I have a few....but don't think I'm allowed to post them, here.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 10:31 AM
I have a few....but don't think I'm allowed to post them, here.
IMO you can posts theories. You just can't name or blame someone.
IMO you can speak in general terms as how ANYBODY could have pulled it off.
I'm just really curious. I just can't see it. But, I do value thr opinions of others and would love to see other theories.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 10:32 AM
Wow my posts are full of typos. I'm useing tapatalk for iPhone and I don't know how to edit.
Sorry y'all.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 10:37 AM
Now, if DS was a fisherman like one of our poster's dad-would he have known a good spot on the river to dump her where she would be unlikely to surface? Like in a backwash. Again, there is a lot of risk there to me-I am a bigger fan of him choosing an area that if people would see him, they were unlikely to comment. Like on his parents property. I mean, clearly they did not tell MSP he was there the day before VS disappeared....or the morning for that matter.
I realize MSP searched their property, but this is where my strategizing has led me...I think they should look for a storm drain, a well, a sink hole. Again, JMO.
Maybe he decided using that shovel to dig a grave was more work than he wanted to do, and chose water, storm drain, well, sink hole, etc. I can easily see that. Grave digging is hard, time-consuming work I believe.
spamelope
06-03-2010, 10:55 AM
Impersonator sought in missing woman case
Police say someone created alibi for estranged husband.
By DOUGLAS FARMER
Tribune Staff Writer
Five weeks after Venus Stewart's disappearance, Michigan State Police have turned their search toward Virginia for a person who they said impersonated Stewart's estranged husband on April 25 and April 26.
Stewart was last seen on April 26 about 8 a.m. at her parents' home in Colon Township in St. Joseph County (Mich.). Her estranged husband, Douglas Stewart, was located in Newport News, Va., in the following days.
"At the start of all this, Mr. Stewart claimed to be in Virginia (at the time of Venus' disappearance), and had what we thought was a pretty solid alibi there," said Lt. Mike Risko of the White Pigeon Post. "Several weeks ago we were able to place him in central Ohio the night before Venus came up missing. Recently, more evidence has come to light that actually places him in Michigan the morning of her disappearance."
Risko added that Douglas Stewart then returned to Virginia that night, but has since returned to Michigan.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/XML
S and BBM
LLLindsayy
06-03-2010, 10:56 AM
They would certainly have fingerprint results back weeks ago. If DS's fingerprints were on the tarp bag he would probably be under arrest by now or at the very least LE would be placing him directly at the scene. The fact that none of that has happened suggests there are no fingerprints, at least not his.
Hi again Natal,
I'm unsure if the only option for these fingerprints are either "here and obvious" or "definitely not here." Once for a school project I was spending several hours at a police station and I got the opportunity to watch some actual fingerprinting going on after some hi-tech devices had been stolen from a room on campus. Anyway, the man doing the fingerprinting was explaining to me that a lot of times the prints get smeared and so you can definitively tell who they are from. Also, sometimes they become contaminated. While I don't think anyone at the MI crime-scene contaminated the prints (at least not on purpose), I do think it's possible that the person stocking the tarp on the shelf and the person ringing Doug's purchase our may have come in contact with the same wrapper.
Maybe the results are inconclusive. Do I make sense here? I think this would especially be true if the tarp came packaged with a handle. I don't know how tarps are wrapped -- I've never bought one. But, it seems that if there is a handle then the chances for contaminated prints are even greater since most people that touched the wrapper (stocker, cashier) would touch it on the same place.
LLLindsayy
06-03-2010, 11:01 AM
Why did it take LE so long to locate Doug's truck? I realize probably no one here knows the answer to that beyond it was located a couple blocks from his house. I don't understand, though. Wouldn't LE think to look around for it? What happened when they asked DS where it was? "I don't know." Could he have said that and legitimately gotten away with that answer?
Do we have any evidence that Doug drove his truck back to Virginia? Who said Doug couldn't have had someone else drive it while he flew back? He'd certainly make better time that way. With the outrageous twists coming from this case, who's to say that there aren't even more accomplices?
This could potentially also account for why the truck wasn't located as swiftly as someone could locate my car if they needed to.
LLLindsayy
06-03-2010, 11:04 AM
If it weren't for the statement I read yesterday with someone saying that the impostor might not even know that VS is missing (which I find very difficult to believe. If you know DS well enough to cover for him, I'm betting you know something is up by now), I'd suggest LE looks closer to DS's family. Who else is he going to trust with all that he needed them to do? And to keep this alibi even though LE said right out that they know it's false?
What are the alibis for DS's closest friends and family members, even if they don't live in NN.
Cubby
06-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Impersonator sought in missing woman case
Police say someone created alibi for estranged husband.
"Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said.
If the person or people impersonating Stewart knew where he was, they could be considered an accessory to any wrongdoing, Risko said.
"It depends on what they knew and when they knew it," he said. "By now that person or persons should know that this is serious, and that they should come forward."
from the following link:
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/googleNews
spamelope
06-03-2010, 11:11 AM
Here is the weather data for Ft. Wayne, Indiana on Sunday, April 25th. This is the closest town (77.6 miles) near Colon that I could find archived weather data for. While it is warmer than what was reported for the Colon area, it does show significant precipitation, as does Detroit's (.77 inch of rain) so I assume there was a fairly large storm over MI that day.
THE FORT WAYNE IN CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR APRIL 25 2010...
CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1971 TO 2000
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1897 TO 2010
WEATHER ITEM OBSERVED TIME RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
VALUE (LST) VALUE VALUE FROM YEAR
NORMAL
.................................................. ................
TEMPERATURE (F)
YESTERDAY
MAXIMUM 65 1110 AM 86 1994 64 1 84
1990
1915
MINIMUM 51 1159 PM 24 1967 41 10 61
AVERAGE 58 52 6 73
PRECIPITATION (IN)
YESTERDAY 1.11 1.87 1904 0.12 0.99 0.00
MONTH TO DATE 3.52 2.94 0.58 5.11
SINCE MAR 1 6.12 5.80 0.32 10.81
SINCE JAN 1 7.81 9.79 -1.98 15.58
SNOWFALL (IN)
YESTERDAY 0.0 T 1976 T 0.0 0.0
1968
1926
MONTH TO DATE T 1.1 -1.1 1.5
SINCE OCT 1 29.3 35.1 -5.8 27.6
SINCE JUL 1 29.3 35.1 -5.8 27.6
SNOW DEPTH 0
DEGREE DAYS
HEATING
YESTERDAY 7 13 -6 0
MONTH TO DATE 217 421 -204 452
SINCE MAR 1 879 1256 -377 1151
SINCE JUL 1 5489 5930 -441 5952
COOLING
YESTERDAY 0 1 -1 8
MONTH TO DATE 15 2 13 13
SINCE MAR 1 15 3 12 13
SINCE JAN 1 15 3 12 13
.................................................. ................
WIND (MPH)
HIGHEST WIND SPEED 30 HIGHEST WIND DIRECTION SW (210)
HIGHEST GUST SPEED 36 HIGHEST GUST DIRECTION SW (210)
AVERAGE WIND SPEED 11.5
SKY COVER
POSSIBLE SUNSHINE MM
AVERAGE SKY COVER 0.8
WEATHER CONDITIONS
THE FOLLOWING WEATHER WAS RECORDED YESTERDAY.
HEAVY RAIN
RAIN
LIGHT RAIN
FOG
RELATIVE HUMIDITY (PERCENT)
HIGHEST 93 400 AM
LOWEST 78 1000 AM
AVERAGE 86
.................................................. ........
THE FORT WAYNE IN CLIMATE NORMALS FOR TODAY
NORMAL RECORD YEAR
MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 64 88 1986
MINIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 42 29 2006
SUNRISE AND SUNSET
APRIL 26 2010.........SUNRISE 646 AM EDT SUNSET 832 PM EDT
APRIL 27 2010.........SUNRISE 644 AM EDT SUNSET 833 PM EDT
- INDICATES NEGATIVE NUMBERS.
R INDICATES RECORD WAS SET OR TIED.
MM INDICATES DATA IS MISSING.
T INDICATES TRACE AMOUNT.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 11:13 AM
I'm sure they want to, but they don't need to.
They don't need to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt, of course) that he abducted her?
Ok then.
RubyRed
06-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Have you guys seen Michelle Sigona's latest article? She talked to Risko and gleaned this info:
1. Risko - "We know Doug Stewart was in Ohio at a Wal-Mart buying a shovel, hat, gloves and tarp at 6:45 p.m. on the 25th."
2. This Wal-Mart is only two hours away from where Venus was staying with her parents.
3. They have the impersonator on video at Stewart’s apartment complex, and visiting other businesses in the area.
I haven't been online most of the day, but this is the first time that I've seen the time of the Walmart purchase, that the Walmart was only 2 hours from Colon, and that Doug2 was on video at the apartment complex.
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/06/bizarre-twist-in-missing-mom-abduction/
That is the first time I have seen an actual time.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 11:38 AM
For Reference: Direct Quotes from LE June 1 through 3, 2010 (Updated June 4)
Risko: “The people he had contact with in that office that morning hadn’t seen Douglas Stewart before,” Risko said. “We know this person made multiple appearances in Virginia as Doug Stewart during this narrow timeline. But we now know Mr. Stewart was not in Virginia.” http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/06/impostor_posed_as_doug_stewart.html
Risko: “We can place him in Michigan now,” said Risko, declining to elaborate on what evidence investigators have turned up. “He had an alibi that he was in Virginia when Venus disappeared and we learned pretty soon that his alibi didn’t hold up. First we were able to place him at a Walmart in Ohio. We know his alibi is fraudulent.” http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/06/impostor_posed_as_doug_stewart.html
Filer: Meanwhile, Newport News Police Detective Todd Filer said his agency has “collected some evidence and conducted some interviews” in connection with the person who is suspected to have impersonated Douglas Stewart. http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/06/impostor_posed_as_doug_stewart.html
Filer: “We’ve been in contact with investigators from Michigan pretty much on a daily basis,” Filer said. “We’re vested in this case just like they are in Michigan. We’re hoping for people to come forward and provide us evidence.” http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/06/impostor_posed_as_doug_stewart.html
Filer: "He provided Michigan State police investigators with an alibi at that time," said Newport News Detective Todd Filer. "At this point we have reason to believe that there may have been someone that posed as Mr. Stewart in our area to provide that alibi." http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigators-question-husband's-alibi
Filer: Investigators have not released details about why they believe Douglas was in Michigan, but they are asking "anybody that has any information about someone posing as Douglas Stewart in the area between April 25 and April 26, around the time of Venus Stewart's, disappearance to contact us," Filer said. http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigators-question-husband's-alibi
Risko: “His alibi was he was in Virginia the whole time,” said Lt. Mike Risko, Michigan State Police, “well, we know that's not the case.” http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1377226-page-imposter.html
Risko: “We have learned here recently that he was in Michigan that morning,” said Lt. Risko. “What was confusing is that we had sightings of him in Virginia during this time period.” http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1377226-page-imposter.html
Risko: “We believe that he was pretending to be Mr. Stewart or impersonating Mr. Stewart at a number of different businesses, paying bills, drawing funds, things of that nature,” said Lt. Risko. “He probably must have had a number of Doug Stewart's personal documents.” http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1377226-page-imposter.html
Risko: "So, his alibi being in Virginia doesn't hold water," said Lt. Mike Risko of the Michigan State Police. "He was not in Virginia at that time. It was also recently learned last week that we also now have him in Michigan the morning she disappeared." http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Is-there-a-Doug-Stewart-impersonator
Risko: "Well, we believe he was dressed similar to what Doug would have been wearing -- a hoodie, a sweatshirt with a dark ball cap and a pair of sunglasses," Risko said. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Is-there-a-Doug-Stewart-impersonator
Risko: "Someone in Newport News, Virginia -- during the time period that Venus came up missing -- was purporting to be Doug Stewart. We know that's not the case. What we're looking for (is) that person or persons that were impersonating Doug Stewart in that time frame." http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Is-there-a-Doug-Stewart-impersonator
Risko: "Our policy is, we're not going to call him a suspect until we have an arrest warrant in our hands," Risko said http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Is-there-a-Doug-Stewart-impersonator
Risko: "At the start of all this, Mr. Stewart claimed to be in Virginia (at the time of Venus' disappearance), and had what we thought was a pretty solid alibi there," said Lt. Mike Risko of the White Pigeon Post. "Several weeks ago we were able to place him in central Ohio the night before Venus came up missing. Recently, more evidence has come to light that actually places him in Michigan the morning of her disappearance." http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/XML
Risko: "Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said. http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/XML
Risko: "It depends on what they knew and when they knew it," he said. "By now that person or persons should know that this is serious, and that they should come forward." http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/XML
Risko: “We know that Douglas Stewart was not in Virginia the day he said he was — someone was impersonating him.” http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/02/news/local_news/doc4c06653fcc0c2393328092.txt
Risko: “The Michigan State Police is asking anyone who may have information regarding a person or persons who impersonated Douglas Stewart in the Newport News, Va. area between Sunday, April 25, and Monday, April 26, 2010, to contact police at 269-483-7611 or 866-666-6666 after 4 p.m. In Newport News contact 888-562-5887,” Risko said. http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/02/news/local_news/doc4c06653fcc0c2393328092.txt
Risko: "We believe that he was pretending to be Mr. Stewart or impersonating Mr. Stewart at a number of different businesses. Paying bills, drawing funds, things of that nature," said Lt. Mike Risko with the Michigan State Police. http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100602/News01/100609874/-1/XML
Risko: “We have him in the morning in Michigan,” Lt. Mike Risko, Commander of the White Pigeon Michigan Police Post said.
- “Somebody else had to be posing as him,” Risko said.
- “We need it for the tires,” he said
- “DNA takes awhile,” Risko said.
- “The blood is the tip of the iceberg,” he said. “There’s a lot we’re awaiting a response from.”
- “We have a slew of investigators,” Risko said, indicating that investigators from MSP posts in Niles, Paw Paw and Coldwater are involved. “Every day there’s work being done. It is moving forward. We’re working on a lot of things.” The goal is to get a “total case” to St. Joseph County John McDonough as soon as possible, he said.
-What if Venus’ body is not found? “That’s not insurmountable,” Risko said. “It has been done (prosecuted) in Michigan before.”
http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/03/news/local_news/doc4c07b51d1dccc423171244.txt
Calliope
06-03-2010, 11:39 AM
That is the first time I have seen an actual time.
The times I've seen so far are 6:45 pm on Sunday for WalMart purchase, 9:30 am unabomber-doug pays lawyer bill, 8 pm (or shortly after) police call to NN.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 11:40 AM
They don't need to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt, of course) that he abducted her?
Ok then.
That's not what I said. At all. That's not, in fact, what you said, to which I was responding. At all.
cluciano63
06-03-2010, 11:41 AM
If he bought the things at 6:45 or so on Sunday, he would have had time to dig a grave, I guess. But unless it is on property his family owns, that is taking a big chance as well as taking another huge one the next morning in going back to it with her body, at which time there would be cars on the road going to work. He could easily have been seen. I am wondering how good the search of his parents property was and how well-trained the dogs. Also, I would think his family members would be the first people LE would consider to be the one acting as DS; he does not seem to have many male family members; I don't know about brother-in-laws or how close any of them are that they would do something like this. I am opting for someone in NN if he was there long enough to make this close a friend.
I do think LE knows when he back in VA; I can't imagine they are counting on the timeline by a voice on a phone, or if they are, then they are far less experienced and professional than I want to think. I also want to assume they have at least removed those tires and compared them by now; that is an important issues as they need to know if this is the vehicle used. They may have done that, without transporting the truck itself. They may know just about everything except ID of the helper in Va and they need to know that to disprove the alibi for court.
grayjay
06-03-2010, 11:43 AM
Here is the weather data for Ft. Wayne, Indiana on Sunday, April 25th. This is the closest town (77.6 miles) near Colon that I could find archived weather data for.
Spam, Your excellent post jarred me into finding my go-to place for when I need to know what was going on while we were gone. They have Colon listed, so here's an easy to read synopsis of the day that I created from this link:
http://www.wxusa.com/wx1/wx.php?config=&forecast=zandh&pands=Colon%2C+M
Tabular Listing: April 25, 2009 - 8:00 through April 26, 2009 - 09:00 EDT
TimeEDT Temp Wind Speed Gust Dir Weather Visibility Ceiling
° F mph mph miles feet
08:55 66.2 0 mostly cloudy 10 10000
08:35 64.4 0 mostly cloudy 10 10000
08:15 62.6 0 mostly cloudy 10 10000
07:55 64.4 6 SW mostly cloudy 10 10000
07:36 64.4 6 WSW overcast 10 10000
07:16 64.4 7 WSW overcast 10 10000
06:55 64.4 8 WSW mostly cloudy 10 11000
06:35 64.4 9 WSW mostly cloudy 10 9000
06:16 64.4 8 SW mostly cloudy 10 8000
05:55 60.8 8 SW mostly cloudy 10 9000
05:35 60.8 5 WSW mostly cloudy 10 7000
05:16 60.8 6 SW mostly cloudy 10 7000
04:55 62.6 5 SW clear 10
04:35 62.6 6 SW clear 10
04:15 62.6 6 S clear 10
03:55 62.6 8 S clear 10
03:35 62.6 8 S partly cloudy 10
03:15 62.6 3 S overcast 10 6500
02:55 60.8 3 S mostly cloudy 10 6500
02:36 62.6 0 partly cloudy 10
02:15 62.6 5 SSW clear 10
01:55 62.6 0 clear 10
01:36 64.4 5 S partly cloudy 10
01:15 64.4 7 S mostly cloudy 10 7500
00:55 62.6 6 SSE clear 10
00:35 62.6 3 SSE clear 10
00:15 62.6 0 partly cloudy 10
23:55 62.6 3 ESE mostly cloudy 10 7500
23:35 62.6 3 ESE mostly cloudy 10 6500
23:15 64.4 0 overcast 10 6500
22:55 64.4 0 overcast 10 6500
22:35 64.4 0 overcast 10 6500
22:15 64.4 0 mostly cloudy 10 6500
21:55 66.2 0 partly cloudy 10
21:35 66.2 5 N partly cloudy 10
21:15 66.2 3 NNW partly cloudy 10
20:55 68 6 NNW partly cloudy 10
20:35 69.8 6 NNW mostly cloudy 10 9000
20:15 71.6 7 NW overcast 10 6000
19:55 71.6 7 NNW overcast 10 6000
19:35 73.4 6 9 WNW overcast 10 6000
19:15 77 13 22 SW mostly cloudy 10 6000
18:55 77 8 WSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
18:35 78.8 8 WSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
18:17 78.8 8 W mostly cloudy 10 6000
17:55 78.8 18 30 WSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
17:35 75.2 12 20 WSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
17:15 78.8 20 25 WSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
16:55 78.8 21 30 SW mostly cloudy 10 8000
16:35 78.8 23 32 SW mostly cloudy 10 6000
16:15 80.6 24 37 WSW partly cloudy 10
15:55 80.6 28 38 SW clear 10
15:35 78.8 21 35 WSW clear 10
15:15 78.8 25 35 WSW partly cloudy 10
14:55 78.8 21 28 SW clear 10
14:35 73.4 12 WSW clear 10
14:16 71.6 12 16 WSW clear 10
13:55 71.6 13 W clear 10
13:35 69.8 22 29 SW clear 10
13:15 69.8 22 28 WSW clear 10
12:55 71.6 15 22 SW lt rain 10
12:35 69.8 13 21 W partly cloudy 10
12:15 68 20 41 WSW hvy rain 4 6500
11:55 75.2 26 35 WSW partly cloudy 10
11:35 73.4 29 38 SW partly cloudy 10
11:15 75.2 20 38 SW partly cloudy 10
10:55 75.2 28 33 SW clear 10
10:35 73.4 26 35 SW clear 10
10:16 71.6 24 36 SW partly cloudy 10
09:55 71.6 24 30 SW partly cloudy 10
09:35 69.8 20 25 SW partly cloudy 10
09:15 69.8 16 21 SW partly cloudy 10
08:55 66.2 14 SSW mostly cloudy 10 6000
08:36 66.2 14 21 SSW partly cloudy 10
08:15 66.2 12 SSW clear 10
It says conditions were dry, visibility 10 miles and temp around 65F when the abduction occurred.
Again, Spamelope, thanks for helping me find this. I need to go to basic training for WS. :D
ChasingMoxie
06-03-2010, 11:54 AM
I don't think it's strange at all that someone would have an exceedingly complex alibi and plot for an abduction/murder followed by gross negligence in handling the scene after the crime. Seriously. I would think that planning something like this is much less stressful than actually carrying it out, you know? Think about it, everything DS has to do prior to the abduction is (relatively speaking) much lower stress: he's alone, he's driving out of VA, he's shopping, he thinks he's in the clear. AFTER he's encountered VS and he has done the unthinkable: he's no longer thinking clearly, he's a madman, he's extremely stressed, he's rushed, and he's SCARED.
That doesn't sound that strange to me. In fact, it sounds like relatively normal response to something so violently against human nature.
I can't wait to watch this guy go down. IMO he's worthless and he almost certainly killed VS. I would love to hear that he didn't but I just don't think you need a tarp and a shovel for a spa getaway. I hope the best for those children and VS's family.
Calliope
06-03-2010, 11:57 AM
That's not what I said. At all. That's not, in fact, what you said, to which I was responding. At all.
"they need to place him at Venus' parents house at the time she disappeared"
Of course, if he had someone else take her then they don't need to. But if they're going to prosecute doug himself with actually abducting her, how did he do it if he was not at Venus' parents' house at the time she disappeared?
spamelope
06-03-2010, 12:02 PM
Wow, thank you grayjay! That site is awesome! I think there's one tiny mistake with the date though, the month was April that VS disappeared in. Here is the date using your great site for April 25-26th.
Past Weather Conditions for KIRS
Observations prior to selected time: April 26, 2010 - 09:00 EDT
Weather Conditions at April 26, 2010 - 8:55 EDT
8:55 24 Hour Max 24 Hour Min
Temperature 48.2° F 57.2 at 9:55 46.4 at 7:15
Dew Point 39.2° F 55.4 at 9:55 39.2 at 7:15
Relative Humidity 71% 94 at 9:55 71 at 7:35
Wind Speed 13 mph from N 23 at 19:35 5 at 12:55
Wind Gust 17 mph 29 at 19:35 16 at 3:15
Pressure 28.45 in 28.45 at 8:35 28.31 at 13:35
Sea Level Pressure 29.43 in 29.43 at 8:35 29.27 at 13:35
Altimeter 29.42 in 29.42 at 8:35 29.28 at 13:35
Weather conditions overcast - -
Visibility 10.00 miles 10.00 at 9:55 2.00 at 11:55
Ceiling 6000 feet 11000 at 5:55 600 at 10:55
Tabular Listing: April 25, 2010 - 8:00 through April 26, 2010 - 09:00 EDT
Time(EDT) Temperature Dew Relative Wind Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea Level Altimeter Weather Visibility Ceiling
Point Humidity Speed Gust Direction check Pressure conditions
° F ° F % mph mph in in in miles feet
8:55 48.2 39.2 71 13 17 N OK 28.45 29.43 29.42 overcast 10.00 6000
8:35 48.2 39.2 71 12 22 N OK 28.45 29.43 29.42 overcast 10.00 6000
8:15 48.2 39.2 71 12 N OK 28.44 29.42 29.41 overcast 10.00 9500
7:55 48.2 39.2 71 12 N OK 28.43 29.41 29.40 mostly cloudy 10.00 7000
7:35 48.2 39.2 71 10 16 N OK 28.43 29.41 29.40 partly cloudy 10.00
7:15 46.4 39.2 76 10 N OK 28.42 29.40 29.39 partly cloudy 10.00
6:55 48.2 41.0 76 8 N OK 28.41 29.39 29.38 mostly cloudy 10.00 11000
6:35 48.2 41.0 76 9 N OK 28.41 29.39 29.38 overcast 10.00 10000
6:15 48.2 42.8 81 9 NNE OK 28.41 29.39 29.38 overcast 10.00 7000
5:55 48.2 42.8 81 9 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 overcast 10.00 11000
5:35 48.2 42.8 81 10 17 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 overcast 10.00 3200
5:15 48.2 44.6 87 10 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 overcast 10.00 3200
4:55 48.2 44.6 87 9 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 lt drizzle 10.00 2300
4:35 48.2 44.6 87 10 N OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 overcast 10.00 2300
4:15 48.2 44.6 87 9 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 overcast 10.00 2700
3:55 48.2 44.6 87 10 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 lt rain 10.00 1500
3:35 48.2 44.6 87 8 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 overcast 10.00 1500
3:15 48.2 44.6 87 9 16 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 overcast 10.00 1500
2:55 48.2 44.6 87 10 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 overcast 10.00 1500
2:35 48.2 44.6 87 8 NNE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 mod drizzle 7.00 1700
2:15 48.2 44.6 87 9 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 lt rain 7.00 1500
1:55 48.2 44.6 87 10 NE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 mod rain 7.00 1300
1:35 48.2 46.4 93 12 NNE OK 28.40 29.38 29.37 unknown prcp 4.00 1300
1:15 48.2 46.4 93 13 18 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 lt rain 7.00 1300
0:55 48.2 46.4 93 14 22 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 mod drizzle 7.00 1300
0:35 48.2 46.4 93 13 21 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 mod drizzle 7.00 900
0:15 48.2 46.4 93 16 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 mod rain 7.00 900
23:55 48.2 46.4 93 14 18 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 mod drizzle 5.00 600
23:35 48.2 46.4 93 14 18 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 lt drizzle 4.00 600
23:15 48.2 46.4 93 14 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 fog 4.00 800
22:55 48.2 46.4 93 14 22 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 fog 4.00 800
22:35 48.2 46.4 93 15 22 NE OK 28.39 29.37 29.36 lt drizzle 5.00 800
22:15 50.0 48.2 94 15 22 NE OK 28.38 29.36 29.35 mod drizzle 5.00 800
21:55 50.0 48.2 94 14 18 NE OK 28.38 29.36 29.35 lt rain 4.00 600
21:35 50.0 48.2 94 14 NE OK 28.38 29.36 29.35 lt rain 5.00 800
21:15 50.0 48.2 94 14 NE OK 28.37 29.35 29.34 unknown prcp 4.00 800
20:55 50.0 48.2 94 16 21 NE OK 28.37 29.35 29.34 overcast 7.00 800
20:35 50.0 48.2 94 15 22 NE OK 28.36 29.34 29.33 lt rain 7.00 800
20:15 51.8 48.2 87 16 21 NE OK 28.35 29.32 29.32 mod rain 7.00 600
19:55 53.6 50.0 88 14 23 ENE OK 28.34 29.31 29.31 overcast 10.00 1100
19:35 53.6 50.0 88 23 29 ENE OK 28.34 29.31 29.31 unknown prcp 7.00 1100
19:15 53.6 51.8 94 12 25 ENE OK 28.33 29.30 29.30 overcast 10.00 1100
18:55 53.6 51.8 94 18 24 ENE OK 28.32 29.29 29.29 lt drizzle 10.00 1300
18:35 53.6 51.8 94 14 23 ENE OK 28.32 29.29 29.29 lt drizzle 10.00 1600
18:15 55.4 51.8 88 15 22 ENE OK 28.32 29.29 29.29 lt rain 10.00 1000
17:55 55.4 53.6 94 15 20 ENE OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 lt rain 10.00 1200
17:35 55.4 53.6 94 16 23 ENE OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 mod drizzle 10.00 1000
17:15 55.4 53.6 94 14 ENE OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 lt rain 10.00 7000
16:55 55.4 53.6 94 10 NE OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 lt rain 10.00 7500
16:35 55.4 53.6 94 7 ENE OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 lt rain 10.00 7500
16:15 55.4 53.6 94 10 ENE OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 mod rain 10.00
15:55 55.4 53.6 94 13 E OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 lt rain 10.00 7000
15:35 55.4 53.6 94 12 ENE OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 lt rain 10.00 4600
15:15 53.6 51.8 94 9 E OK 28.33 29.30 29.30 lt rain 7.00 3000
14:55 53.6 51.8 94 6 E OK 28.33 29.30 29.30 lt rain 7.00 1800
14:35 55.4 53.6 94 14 18 SSE OK 28.34 29.30 29.31 hvy rain 2.00 1000
14:15 55.4 53.6 94 14 21 ENE OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 lt rain 4.00 1600
13:55 57.2 53.6 88 15 21 E OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 overcast 10.00 800
13:35 57.2 55.4 94 14 E OK 28.31 29.27 29.28 overcast 10.00 800
13:15 55.4 53.6 94 9 20 E OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 mod rain 7.00 1000
12:55 55.4 53.6 94 5 SSW OK 28.32 29.28 29.29 hvy rain 4.00 600
12:35 55.4 53.6 94 8 ENE OK 28.33 29.29 29.30 mod rain 5.00 1100
12:15 55.4 53.6 94 9 NE OK 28.33 29.29 29.30 lt rain 5.00 2500
11:55 55.4 53.6 94 8 ENE OK 28.34 29.30 29.31 hvy rain 2.00 800
11:35 55.4 53.6 94 6 E OK 28.34 29.30 29.31 hvy rain 4.00 800
11:15 55.4 53.6 94 15 E OK 28.33 29.29 29.30 lt rain 7.00 600
10:55 55.4 53.6 94 12 E OK 28.34 29.30 29.31 lt rain 7.00 600
10:35 57.2 55.4 94 13 E OK 28.33 29.29 29.30 lt rain 5.00 2600
10:15 57.2 55.4 94 10 E OK 28.34 29.30 29.31 overcast 10.00 1800
9:55 57.2 55.4 94 12 ESE OK 28.35 29.31 29.32 partly cloudy 10.00
9:35 55.4 53.6 94 12 ESE OK 28.35 29.31 29.32 partly cloudy 7.00
9:15 55.4 53.6 94 12 E OK 28.35 29.31 29.32 fog 3.00 2900
8:55 55.4 53.6 94 6 E OK 28.38 29.34 29.35 lt rain 7.00 2900
8:35 55.4 53.6 94 6 E OK 28.37 29.33 29.34 mod rain 5.00 2400
8:15 55.4 53.6 94 8 16 S OK 28.39 29.35 29.36 hvy rain 1.75 800
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thinkaboutthis
06-03-2010, 12:02 PM
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/googleNews
"At the start of all this, Mr. Stewart claimed to be in Virginia (at the time of Venus' disappearance), and had what we thought was a pretty solid alibi there," said Lt. Mike Risko of the White Pigeon Post. "Several weeks ago we were able to place him in central Ohio the night before Venus came up missing. Recently, more evidence has come to light that actually places him in Michigan the morning of her disappearance."
The receipt...
Risko added that Douglas Stewart then returned to Virginia that night, but has since returned to Michigan.
In Virginia that night...
If the person or people impersonating Stewart knew where he was, they could be considered an accessory to any wrongdoing, Risko said.
"It depends on what they knew and when they knew it," he said. "By now that person or persons should know that this is serious, and that they should come forward."
Sounds like LE thinks there could be more than one.
BeanE
06-03-2010, 12:16 PM
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/googleNews
"At the start of all this, Mr. Stewart claimed to be in Virginia (at the time of Venus' disappearance), and had what we thought was a pretty solid alibi there," said Lt. Mike Risko of the White Pigeon Post. "Several weeks ago we were able to place him in central Ohio the night before Venus came up missing. Recently, more evidence has come to light that actually places him in Michigan the morning of her disappearance."
The receipt...
Risko added that Douglas Stewart then returned to Virginia that night, but has since returned to Michigan.
In Virginia that night...
If the person or people impersonating Stewart knew where he was, they could be considered an accessory to any wrongdoing, Risko said.
"It depends on what they knew and when they knew it," he said. "By now that person or persons should know that this is serious, and that they should come forward."
Sounds like LE thinks there could be more than one.
Newport News, April 26
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 01:23 PM
I don't think it's strange at all that someone would have an exceedingly complex alibi and plot for an abduction/murder followed by gross negligence in handling the scene after the crime. Seriously. I would think that planning something like this is much less stressful than actually carrying it out, you know? Think about it, everything DS has to do prior to the abduction is (relatively speaking) much lower stress: he's alone, he's driving out of VA, he's shopping, he thinks he's in the clear. AFTER he's encountered VS and he has done the unthinkable: he's no longer thinking clearly, he's a madman, he's extremely stressed, he's rushed, and he's SCARED.
That doesn't sound that strange to me. In fact, it sounds like relatively normal response to something so violently against human nature.
I can't wait to watch this guy go down. IMO he's worthless and he almost certainly killed VS. I would love to hear that he didn't but I just don't think you need a tarp and a shovel for a spa getaway. I hope the best for those children and VS's family.
Great post and I totally agree.
RubyRed
06-03-2010, 01:25 PM
"At the start of all this, Mr. Stewart claimed to be in Virginia (at the time of Venus' disappearance), and had what we thought was a pretty solid alibi there," said Lt. Mike Risko of the White Pigeon Post. "Several weeks ago we were able to place him in central Ohio the night before Venus came up missing. Recently, more evidence has come to light that actually places him in Michigan the morning of her disappearance."
Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100603/News01/6030328/-1/XML
crystalgenie
06-03-2010, 04:37 PM
Since they say there is an Imperso Doug, I wonder what Imperso got for doing all this? The reason this is all so bizarre is apparently there is no money trail from DS to Imperso. The LE statement to the effect that "the person who impersonated Doug Stewart may not have known.." (Or something to that effect) is ludicrous. Imperso Doug knew what was going down and if, and I do say IF, they come forward surely noone will believe it. So I would say it is more than a friend...
Even if DS is arrested I doubt they will find the Imperso Doug. DS has no reason to disclose who the individual is and I seriously doubt the LE is going to find them. They apparently do not have any pics or they wouldn't be trying to "talk" to Imperso.
grayjay
06-03-2010, 05:14 PM
It's also possible that they already have a good idea who the proxinator might be, and they're giving him a chance to come forward. They'd probably like to skip all the work to seal up a case against him, too. It could be win-win, if they can smoke him out instead of just tarring him in place.
Kimberlyd125
06-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Since they say there is an Imperso Doug, I wonder what Imperso got for doing all this? The reason this is all so bizarre is apparently there is no money trail from DS to Imperso. The LE statement to the effect that "the person who impersonated Doug Stewart may not have known.." (Or something to that effect) is ludicrous. Imperso Doug knew what was going down and if, and I do say IF, they come forward surely noone will believe it. So I would say it is more than a friend...
Even if DS is arrested I doubt they will find the Imperso Doug. DS has no reason to disclose who the individual is and I seriously doubt the LE is going to find them. They apparently do not have any pics or they wouldn't be trying to "talk" to Imperso.
BBM
They don't have pics of what?
They say they have video of the impersonator and they know it is not DS. Is that what you mean?
Natal
06-04-2010, 12:46 AM
BBM
They don't have pics of what?
They say they have video of the impersonator and they know it is not DS. Is that what you mean?
The quote was "Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said." That suggests that they don't know for sure that it isn't him.
I still don't get why they haven't made this video public. If it is clearly not DS they will likely find out who it is pretty quickly if they did that.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 07:22 AM
The quote was "Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said." That suggests that they don't know for sure that it isn't him.
I still don't get why they haven't made this video public. If it is clearly not DS they will likely find out who it is pretty quickly if they did that.
I agree with you. Why not release the video to the public instead of this vague description? Hoodie, sunglasses, and baseball cap is not a physical decription. They did not give any approximate height, weight, etc, for the alleged impostor. If the video(s) are of good enough quality for LE to determine that it is "OBVIOUSLY" not DS, then it must also be of good enough quality for someone in the public to possibly recognize the impostor, his physical stature, mannerisms, etc. So why keep that video to themselves?
spamelope
06-04-2010, 07:27 AM
MSP put Stewart in Mich. April 26
By Rick Cordes
Staff Writer
Published:
Thursday, June 3, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
WHITE PIGEON — Michigan State Police don’t believe Douglas Harrie Stewart was in Newport News, Va. on April 26 at the time his estranged wife Venus disappeared from in front of her parents’ rural Colon home.
“We have him in the morning in Michigan,” Lt. Mike Risko, Commander of the White Pigeon Michigan Police Post said.
In addition, the evidence developed from a receipt found in Stewart’s truck in Newport News, Va., puts him at a Wal-Mart in Ohio at 6:45 p.m. on the night of April 25 at a driving distance of about two hours from Colon.
Stewart is the only person of interest in the MSP’s investigation of Venus’ disappearance. She has not been seen or heard from since April 26, and the MSP conclude she was abducted. Early in the case it appeared Stewart had an alibi that he was in Virginia at the time Venus vanished.
*
In addition to processing crime scene evidence and following leads, the MSP are now seeking an individual that they believe was impersonating Stewart in Newport News on April 26.
A man resembling Stewart paid a bill for Stewart at a Newport News law office on April 26, the day Venus disappeared. Also, video recordings show a man resembling Stewart at his apartment complex on that day and a Stewart look-a-like appears on other video recordings in other locations, according to Risko.
http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/03/news/local_news/doc4c07b51d1dccc423171244.txt
Okay, so there are two other Dougs, one that simply resembles him and one that is his look-a-like. Then there is another person who drove one of the vehicles back to MI. He sure has a lot of little helpers for someone that is the one and only person of interest.
Also from that article:
State Police investigators are scheduled to go to Virginia to do investigative work there, and at that time will bring back Stewart’s Dodge pickup truck on a trailer, Risko said.
“We need it for the tires,” he said, adding that investigators don’t want any further tire wear that would be caused by driving it back.
I am delighted they finally figured out how to get the truck back to MI. I wonder how long it will take them to get it back now that they know how to go about doing it.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 07:30 AM
Since they say there is an Imperso Doug, I wonder what Imperso got for doing all this? The reason this is all so bizarre is apparently there is no money trail from DS to Imperso. The LE statement to the effect that "the person who impersonated Doug Stewart may not have known.." (Or something to that effect) is ludicrous. Imperso Doug knew what was going down and if, and I do say IF, they come forward surely noone will believe it. So I would say it is more than a friend...
Even if DS is arrested I doubt they will find the Imperso Doug. DS has no reason to disclose who the individual is and I seriously doubt the LE is going to find them. They apparently do not have any pics or they wouldn't be trying to "talk" to Imperso.
BBM
I would agree and IMO I think that LE must have had to take a hard look at DS's finances right off the bat in this case to determine if he made any large cash withdrawals enough to cover gasoline costs from VA to MI, out of the ordinary check payments or bank transfers, and surely credit/debit card transactions not only in and around NN, but also between VA and MI during the timeframe in question.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 07:36 AM
It's also possible that they already have a good idea who the proxinator might be, and they're giving him a chance to come forward. They'd probably like to skip all the work to seal up a case against him, too. It could be win-win, if they can smoke him out instead of just tarring him in place.
I disagree, I don't think the MSP is engaged in a plan that involves knowing who did what and then just kicking back and waiting for the players to just come forward and confess to what they did "or else". MOO
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 07:45 AM
The times I've seen so far are 6:45 pm on Sunday for WalMart purchase, 9:30 am unabomber-doug pays lawyer bill, 8 pm (or shortly after) police call to NN.
I still think that LE grabbed the BG park pass because it is related to DS alibi for Sunday. Those parks have a lot of security cameras as well don't they? I would think that with the number of children that are running around at those places, they would have a ton of security cameras in place just in case some weirdo was there trying to walk out with someone they shouldn't be. IMO
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 08:05 AM
Well, the reason that keeps playing through my head is because I couldn't tell you every step of what I did yesterday. But... if I'd constructed a script or set of instructions for someone to do A, then B, then C, etc, I most definitely would be able to recite that. Every step of it. Easy peasy.
The thing is, people have no reason to track and remember and recite every step of what they did on a certain day, and so, they are unable to readily, upon receiving an unexpected phone call, have one and only one conversation in which they are able to recite every step of what they did on a certain day. We're just not constructed that way, that we can do that.
BBM
Hmmm...If cops called someone on the very same evening that their estranged spouse was abducted and asked for an explanation in detail from the beginning where they were and what they did that day (which would be protocol), I think pretty much anyone could muster up the memory of where they were and what they did that same day. If they couldn't, I would find that suspicious. I would also find it suspicious if LE did not ask him to take them through step-by-step of what he did earlier (that day) in order to verify the information he was giving was accurate. (Which means that people do have a reason to remember and recite every step of what they did on a certain day, because they are being asked to by LE) If you asked someone a month later what they did that day, I would agree, very difficult to say. But at 8pm on the same day? Unless there is some severe early-onset Alzheimer's going on, I don't see it.
spamelope
06-04-2010, 08:05 AM
I still think that LE grabbed the BG park pass because it is related to DS alibi for Sunday. Those parks have a lot of security cameras as well don't they? I would think that with the number of children that are running around at those places, they would have a ton of security cameras in place just in case some weirdo was there trying to walk out with someone they shouldn't be. IMO
I totally agree. I'm sure they have a lot of cameras everywhere there, too. I wondered why he would have gotten such a late start to the day he had so much to do-ie, drive over 700 miles, buy the Wal-Mart Murder Kit, tool around the old neighborhood, and dig a grave in the rain. Even if he went to BG to establish a fingerprint alibi and left immediately, based on a 10:00 opening, he couldn't have arrived at the Wal-Mart until 9 pm that night.
I sure wish we knew how the BG passes fit into all of this. MSP needs to give us a little more to work with. ;)
spamelope
06-04-2010, 08:17 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/23w6t89.jpg
FWIW, here is a picture taken last night at 6:00 pm at the dollar store in Colon.
grayjay
06-04-2010, 08:21 AM
MSP needs to give us a little more to work with. ;)Hahahah. I agree. :waitasec:
They seem to think their job is to find the missing and put the criminals behind bars. How dare they keep us from our speculation and 'tainment. It makes them look like they're just sitting around clueless and doing nothing.
:dance:
believe09
06-04-2010, 08:31 AM
BBM
Hmmm...If cops called someone on the very same evening that their estranged spouse was abducted and asked for an explanation in detail from the beginning where they were and what they did that day (which would be protocol), I think pretty much anyone could muster up the memory of where they were and what they did that same day. If they couldn't, I would find that suspicious. I would also find it suspicious if LE did not ask him to take them through step-by-step of what he did earlier (that day) in order to verify the information he was giving was accurate. (Which means that people do have a reason to remember and recite every step of what they did on a certain day, because they are being asked to by LE) If you asked someone a month later what they did that day, I would agree, very difficult to say. But at 8pm on the same day? Unless there is some severe early-onset Alzheimer's going on, I don't see it.
I dont think he said anything-he lawyered up. Simple. I am not going to answer questions, here is the phone number for my attorney good bye.
This is my opinion. To date, IIRC, MSP has not held a single conversation with DS. Everything has been through his attorney, so attorney is providing alibi information on behalf of DS. And if I were the attorney, I would be completely pissed off. His rep is on the line and if MSP has throroughly cracked the alibi etc, he has likely declined to give any more info whatsoever.
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 08:31 AM
A man resembling Stewart paid a bill for Stewart at a Newport News law office on April 26, the day Venus disappeared. Also, video recordings show a man resembling Stewart at his apartment complex on that day and a Stewart look-a-like appears on other video recordings in other locations, according to Risko.
http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/03/news/local_news/doc4c07b51d1dccc423171244.txt
Okay, so there are two other Dougs, one that simply resembles him and one that is his look-a-like. Then there is another person who drove one of the vehicles back to MI. He sure has a lot of little helpers for someone that is the one and only person of interest.
Snipped for space.
Spam, I don't think the part you bolded says they think there are two other Dougs. They could have the same man on video at his apartment and at other locations such as where he paid the bill.
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 08:33 AM
The quote was "Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said." That suggests that they don't know for sure that it isn't him.
I still don't get why they haven't made this video public. If it is clearly not DS they will likely find out who it is pretty quickly if they did that.
But, there are several direct quotes from Risko that say they KNOW the guy on the video paying the bill is not DS.
That's what I meant in the post you quoted.
ETA: You bolded the word belief and said that tells you they don't know for sure that it isn't him. Go back and read the quote from Risko again. They said it is their belief it was to provide an alibi, not it is their belief it was not him.
They know it was not DS.
spamelope
06-04-2010, 08:36 AM
Hahahah. I agree. :waitasec:
They seem to think their job is to find the missing and put the criminals behind bars. How dare they keep us from our speculation and 'tainment. It makes them look like they're just sitting around clueless and doing nothing.
:dance:
But you have to admit that it was probably Calliope's post listing the vehicle movers that gave LE the direction they needed in figuring out how to get that truck back to MI. So sometimes, sharing info with the public can help out LE. ;)
Releasing the photos of the Doug clones might help in identifying them, too.
BeanE
06-04-2010, 08:41 AM
The quote was "Obviously that alibi doesn't hold up, so someone was in Virginia, in the Newport News area, pretending to be Doug Stewart, in our belief, to provide an alibi," Risko said."
That suggests that they don't know for sure that it isn't him.
Since Risko says clearly in all the quotes below that they do indeed know for sure it wasn't Doug, the quote above suggests to me that the "in our belief" refers to "to provide an alibi". In other words, LE clearly knows for sure it wasn't Doug, but can't say for sure the imposter's intent or purpose (to provide an alibi) until they interview him or obtain more evidence.
Risko said. “We know this person made multiple appearances in Virginia as Doug Stewart during this narrow timeline. But we now know Mr. Stewart was not in Virginia.”
“He had an alibi that he was in Virginia when Venus disappeared and we learned pretty soon that his alibi didn’t hold up. First we were able to place him at a Walmart in Ohio. We know his alibi is fraudulent.”
“His alibi was he was in Virginia the whole time,” said Lt. Mike Risko, Michigan State Police, “well, we know that's not the case.”
"So, his alibi being in Virginia doesn't hold water," said Lt. Mike Risko of the Michigan State Police. "He was not in Virginia at that time.
"Someone in Newport News, Virginia -- during the time period that Venus came up missing -- was purporting to be Doug Stewart. We know that's not the case.
“We know that Douglas Stewart was not in Virginia the day he said he was — someone was impersonating him.”
Please see my post on the previous page for links to the articles in which Risko stated these.
ETA: Some day I'll learn to read to the end of the thread before replying. Somebody else already pointed this out. Sorry. :)
spamelope
06-04-2010, 08:42 AM
Snipped for space.
Spam, I don't think the part you bolded says they think there are two other Dougs. They could have the same man on video at his apartment and at other locations such as where he paid the bill.
True dat, but they have said before that there might be two.
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 08:47 AM
True dat, but they have said before that there might be two.
I remember that when we first heard about the imposter deal.
I was just going by what I read in that article and commenting. :angel:
BeanE
06-04-2010, 08:49 AM
I agree with you. Why not release the video to the public instead of this vague description? Hoodie, sunglasses, and baseball cap is not a physical decription. They did not give any approximate height, weight, etc, for the alleged impostor. If the video(s) are of good enough quality for LE to determine that it is "OBVIOUSLY" not DS, then it must also be of good enough quality for someone in the public to possibly recognize the impostor, his physical stature, mannerisms, etc. So why keep that video to themselves?
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Just look for someone who looks like this:
http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2010/05/28/doug-stewart-052810_20100528180136_320_240.JPG
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 09:05 AM
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Just look for someone who looks like this:
http://media2.woodtv.com//photo/2010/05/28/doug-stewart-052810_20100528180136_320_240.JPG
I thought they were looking for someone who did a poor enough job at impersonating DS that LE could tell by the videos...but you think the person or multiple persons on the multiple videos all look exactly like DS down to the height, build, facial features, mannerisms, etc? That would be amazing to find one, let alone multiple DS-lookalikes who could pull that off. Interesting though...
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 09:14 AM
They will find out who the imposter is.
I just hope he would come forward and say yeah, he did it but had no idea why he was doing it but needed the money. Then after he heard about VS, he knew why DS needed an alibi and he was scared to come forward.
He could give great statements that would help LE.
As far as a money trail, we don't know how much money this guy would have taken to pay a bill for DS and hang out at his apartment could have been $20 to $100 for all we know. Maybe he is a friend who did it for free.
It also would depend on how long DS had planned this. I mean, you can make a $200 w/d here and there over a course of a few weeks and it would not look odd. I do it all the time. Maybe he's been saving his coins. lol
Gas to go, food to eat, and the items at Wal-Mart would not have taken thousands of dollars you think of when you look for a money trail. IMO
A couple hundred bucks cash would have done it.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 09:16 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/23w6t89.jpg
FWIW, here is a picture taken last night at 6:00 pm at the dollar store in Colon.
It's a unicorn!
So in a town of only around what? 1000 people? Someone else has one of these very rare grey, 4-door, Dodge Ram, pickups? I wonder if there are also other white males who squat in Colon? Weird. Maybe this truck is a DS created clone too.
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 09:19 AM
But the secret would be in the tires, IMO.
The truck could have the same exact tires, but LE will be able to figure out if the tire marks were made by what truck.
What are the odds that the tires will be worn down to exactly the same level???
The impressions from the tires will be key to this. IMO
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:21 AM
What's the photo supposed to be? I don't get it.
Doug's truck is in Newport News impound, as the car is.
Don't get why a photo of some random Ram in Colon matters.
Kimberlyd125
06-04-2010, 09:23 AM
What's the photo supposed to be? I don't get it.
Doug's truck is in Newport News impound, as the car is.
Don't get why a photo of some random Ram in Colon matters.
I think they are trying to point out that DS is not the only person who has a truck like this one.
This photo was taken in Colon so they are saying it could have been any Dodge seen across from the house that day.
But, IMO the tire impressions will not match a random truck in Colon. They will match DS's tires. Even if they are the same exact tire.
JMO
spamelope
06-04-2010, 09:26 AM
Just a coincidence, Puf. Plus, I thought everyone would want to see where MI's finest detective, aka the lady at the Dollar Store works.
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:26 AM
But the secret would be in the tires, IMO.
The truck could have the same exact tires, but LE will be able to figure out if the tire marks were made by what truck.
What are the odds that the tires will be worn down to exactly the same level???
The impressions from the tires will be key to this. IMO
I agree.
That's a dark gray Ram. I don't think that that fits the description of the Stewart Ram. Theirs is silver.
:shrug:
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:27 AM
Just a coincidence, Puf. Plus, I thought everyone would want to see where MI's finest detective, aka the lady at the Dollar Store works.
Hahaha! See if you can get an exclusive interview with her.
spamelope
06-04-2010, 09:30 AM
Hahaha! See if you can get an exclusive interview with her.
I have thought about calling her, actually lol. This case is either gonna have me arrested by homeland security or locked up in the loony bin if something doesn't happen soon.
BeanE
06-04-2010, 09:31 AM
I thought they were looking for someone who did a poor enough job at impersonating DS that LE could tell by the videos...but you think the person or multiple persons on the multiple videos all look exactly like DS down to the height, build, facial features, mannerisms, etc? That would be amazing to find one, let alone multiple DS-lookalikes who could pull that off. Interesting though...
No, I think they look similar, not exactly alike, which is why I suggested looking for someone who looks like the person in those pictures, rather than looking for the person in those pictures.
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:31 AM
I have thought about calling her, actually lol. This case is either gonna have me arrested by homeland security or locked up in the loony bin if something doesn't happen soon.
Too funny! After you get through interviewing her, ask her when Tide goes on sale.
:D
BeanE
06-04-2010, 09:33 AM
It's a unicorn!
So in a town of only around what? 1000 people? Someone else has one of these very rare grey, 4-door, Dodge Ram, pickups? I wonder if there are also other white males who squat in Colon? Weird. Maybe this truck is a DS created clone too.
Truckinator
spamelope
06-04-2010, 09:33 AM
Too funny! After you get through interviewing her, ask her when Tide goes on sale.
:D
Okay, I will ask her too if she can beat Wal-Marts Roll Back Prices on a Murder Kit, too.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 09:34 AM
What's the photo supposed to be? I don't get it.
Doug's truck is in Newport News impound, as the car is.
Don't get why a photo of some random Ram in Colon matters.
We also know that Doug Stewart is at his parent's home in Michigan,yet they are interested in finding another one or more of him in Newport News. A random 4-door Dodge Ram in the same color as what the POI vehicle is, in a tiny little town...I'm sure Doug's defense attorney would think it less random. Just speculation though and only my own opinions of course.
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:35 AM
okay, i will ask her too if she can beat wal-marts roll back prices on a murder kit, too.
hahahahaha!!!
pufnstuf
06-04-2010, 09:36 AM
We also know that Doug Stewart is at his parent's home in Michigan,yet they are interested in finding another one or more of him in Newport News. A random 4-door Dodge Ram in the same color as what the POI vehicle is, in a tiny little town...I'm sure Doug's defense attorney would think it less random. Just speculation though and only my own opinions of course.
It's not the same color.
thinkaboutthis
06-04-2010, 09:42 AM
It's not the same color.
You are right, IIRC most of the news stories said light grey, this just appears to be grey. Plus no built-in driver urination apparatus and no personal short order cook stove in the back. MOO
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