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Salem
06-03-2010, 12:53 AM
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little_pony
06-03-2010, 09:54 AM
A new page. May all who have offered support and comfort in the past continue here to support Pat's family and friends in the difficult days to come.

Rita, its okay to vent. You're human, dealing with an inhumane act and in the midst is a blood relative you would rather prune off like the diseased limb of the family tree he is. Whatever brings you surcease of sorrow, even if temporary, we don't think less of you, nor when anger or grief overcomes you will we critize or judge you. Your path is not a path you chose, and yet you walk it bravely. Let EK's loose lips continue to talk. Perhaps they will slip. Loose lips sink ships (unguarded talk may give useful information).

Blondie in Spokane
06-03-2010, 08:08 PM
~bump~

jeansrme
06-04-2010, 12:20 AM
Rita,
My opinion of you hasn't changed. I totally agree with others that your grace under pressure has been impressive. How you have kept any sort of sanity is beyond my comprehension.
We can (all) only pray that EK, RoHo and ReHo will "hang themselves" with testimony. It's really completely unbelievable that any human, especially from the fine state of Kansas in the center of the US, would be so greedy to have the life of another ended over $$$$. But, you have made it very clear from early on that EK is that kind!
You continue to be in the thoughts and prayers of so many people. Try to stay strong, but feel free to VENT. I feel that WS members want to be here for you always, even when you've reached a breaking point!

Blondie in Spokane
06-04-2010, 11:18 AM
~bump~

cookin
06-04-2010, 11:57 AM
Bump!

amazinggracie
06-04-2010, 02:35 PM
Another bump

AmandaReckonwith
06-04-2010, 02:49 PM
Hollister is charged with CAPITAL MURDER!


http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=134605

Blondie in Spokane
06-04-2010, 02:50 PM
YES!!! It's about time!!!

son-of-bowmancabin
06-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Hollister is charged with CAPITAL MURDER!


I was unable to see the link until I quoted you. Here it is again in case anyone else is having trouble...

http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=134605

wfgodot
06-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Charges Coming Today in Kimmi Case

http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4446&TM=53578.43

Murder Charges Filed In Kimmi Case

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html

It's a Friday - no surprise!

AmandaReckonwith
06-04-2010, 03:00 PM
I hope he starts spilling on Eugene and on Rebecca.

Charge 'em all!

kai
06-04-2010, 03:04 PM
Charges Coming Today in Kimmi Case

http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4446&TM=53578.43

Murder Charges Filed In Kimmi Case

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html

It's a Friday - no surprise!

:) I was thinking the same exact thing about it being a Friday! ;)

dreamweaver
06-04-2010, 03:13 PM
This is just wonderful news today.
http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4446&TM=53578.43

I was so glad to see this news article and others posted.

And it comes right before Patricia Kimmi's memorial service.
Fitting.

dreamweaver
06-04-2010, 03:15 PM
http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4446&TM=53578.43

The remains of Ms. Kimmi were discovered shallowly buried May 4 near a stream bed in a pasture in rural Nemaha County. Mr. Hollister formerly managed the adjacent cattle lot and pasture on behalf of his brother Bruce Hollister. Bruce owns the property and has cooperated with authorities throughout the investigation.

This caught my eye. Maybe others already knew that his brother was clear of any wrongdoing, I didn't.
But I am glad to see it stated publicly.

Texas Mist
06-04-2010, 03:29 PM
Altho the wheels of justice are turning slowly, they are turning.

News of the murder charge must hurt so much as it just drives home - yet again! - how senseless Pat's death was.

Fairy1
06-04-2010, 03:58 PM
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Still hoping for at least one additional arrest....

Whiskey Horse
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
A new page. May all who have offered support and comfort in the past continue here to support Pat's family and friends in the difficult days to come.

Rita, its okay to vent. You're human, dealing with an inhumane act and in the midst is a blood relative you would rather prune off like the diseased limb of the family tree he is. Whatever brings you surcease of sorrow, even if temporary, we don't think less of you, nor when anger or grief overcomes you will we critize or judge you. Your path is not a path you chose, and yet you walk it bravely. Let EK's loose lips continue to talk. Perhaps they will slip. Loose lips sink ships (unguarded talk may give useful information).

Rita:

No way will i change my mind about you! And I agree with Little Pony, it's OK to vent and what better place to do it than here among friends who will always understand and support you.

dreamweaver
06-04-2010, 04:18 PM
I am hoping there will be another arrest soon.

I doubt that Roger H will ever be out of prison. This on the assumption he will be found guilty of trying to kill his wife and killing Patricia Kimmi.
So, he could talk and talk and nothing worse could happen to him.

Hellfire may be raining down on one person's home and business.

cleo612
06-04-2010, 04:40 PM
This part caught my eye--I bolded the exact wording, because it sounds to me as though there is very likely to be at least one more arrest made today.

The Attorney General's Office said in a news released that the complaint alleges that on November 7th, 2009 in Atchison County, Hollister "intentionally and with premeditation killed Patricia Kimmi pursuant to a contract or agreement or was a party to a contract or agreement to have Kimmi killed."

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html (http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html)

I read this as saying that this was a contract killing. If they have evidence that this was a contract killing, then they must have evidence as to whomever else is complicit in hiring RoH to fulfill the contract.

amazinggracie
06-04-2010, 04:59 PM
I saw that about the contract - and my heart did a little pitty-pat. Justice is finally on its way for Pat. :dance: It's long overdue, but I think the wait is going to have been worth it.

son-of-bowmancabin
06-04-2010, 05:30 PM
This part caught my eye--I bolded the exact wording, because it sounds to me as though there is very likely to be at least one more arrest made today.



http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html (http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/95633729.html)

I read this as saying that this was a contract killing. If they have evidence that this was a contract killing, then they must have evidence as to whomever else is complicit in hiring RoH to fulfill the contract.

Has anyone seen the full criminal complaint as yet? I'd like to know if Hollister is charged with both murder and conspiracy (which, in Kansas, you can be convicted of both the criminal act and the conspiracy to commit it). It seems odd to state that motive and then not add conspiracy to the charges.

I've posted about conspiracy before and the difficulty in proving it. Each party to the conspiracy must both agree to commit the crime and then do at least one additional act further to that crime. Hollister may have thought he was part of a conspiracy, but his potential co-conspirator may have backed out and never committed that second act.

Another thought - motive is a key component to a capital murder case. They may not be able to prove criminal conspiracy but they still need to state that the motive is valid to get a capital conviction. If someone hired Hollister and then never paid, there is no conspiracy but the motive is still there.

I'm not a criminal lawyer (or any other kind of lawyer, for that matter), so I'm happy defer to someone with more knowledge on the matter.

eyestowardHeaven
06-04-2010, 06:20 PM
http://atchisonglobeonline.com/index.asp

bowmancabin
06-04-2010, 07:14 PM
http://atchisonglobeonline.com/index.asp
Watched this video..(very, very sad)..the people on the bench were Pat's children & spouses + a good friend, the person behind the family was Kevin Hill (Brown County Attorney)...saw the Atchison County Sheriff + (maybe) KBI, don't know the Judge, apparently RH attorney (Heathman?) was not present & on vacation, $3,000,000 bond, next hearing June 14th.

wfgodot
06-04-2010, 07:25 PM
Nothing we don't know in any of these, but great to see extensive coverage (finally):

NTV:
NE Kan. man facing capital murder charges
http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=12598346

Topeka Capital-Journal:
Hollister charged in Kimmi case
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-06-04/hollister_charged_in_kimmi_case

Kansas City Star:
Kansas man charged with murdering Patricia Kimmi
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/04/1993019/kansas-man-charged-with-murdering.html

KSNT:
Charges filed in Kimmi Death
http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Charges-filed-in-Kimmi-death/JgR61aH670C4a-_lopRbcg.cspx

KTKA:
Murder charges filed in Kimmi case
http://www.ktka.com/news/2010/jun/04/murder-charges-filed-kimmi-case/

ETA:
Capital-Journal expanded its article:
---
Gavin Young, spokesman for Kansas Attorney General Steve Six's Office, said Six's office is partnering with Kuckelman's office to pursue the case.

More than 200 individuals, including members of the Kimmi and Hollister families, as well as members of area law enforcement, were named as witnesses in the complaint filed on Friday. Young declined to say whether more charges would be filed or any additional suspects would be named, citing that the case remains an open investigation.

Hollister is to make his first appearance in Atchison County court at 1 p.m. June 14.
---

cclearly
06-05-2010, 12:46 AM
I think that nursebeeme must have got that haircut this morning!!!!!

jane d
06-05-2010, 07:41 AM
Has anyone seen the full criminal complaint as yet? .

http://cjonline.com/multimedia/documents/2010/060510/hollister.pdf

This was embedded in the Capitol Journal story site. It includes the list of witnesses.

wfgodot
06-05-2010, 11:09 AM
KQ2 finally has its courtroom video & report up:

http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=134605

(And yes, cclearly, one of the first things I thought of was, "Wow, nursebeeme has found a salon in Michigan and got her hair cut today!" Also, great find, jane d, the Cap-Journal added layers to its original story as the night went on so I missed the embed with the names.)

lilcatt
06-05-2010, 02:49 PM
:cat:
Capital Murder that is so great. Does the state have the death penalty???? When are they going to arrest the person who hired Hollisters, we all know who that is. I don't want to say his name just in case he has not been named a POI. If he hasn't why not? The Hollisters have no motive except money. I wonder how much they were offered? Does anyone know anything about maybe an insurance policy or anything of value the mastermind might get with Pat dead?

wfgodot
06-05-2010, 03:13 PM
:cat:
Capital Murder that is so great. Does the state have the death penalty???? When are they going to arrest the person who hired Hollisters, we all know who that is. I don't want to say his name just in case he has not been named a POI. If he hasn't why not? The Hollisters have no motive except money. I wonder how much they were offered? Does anyone know anything about maybe an insurance policy or anything of value the mastermind might get with Pat dead?

Yes, Kansas has a death penalty, but on this 22 June it will have been 45 years since anyone was executed in our state. This seems unlikely to change.

County and state law enforcement continue to investigate the party responsible for the making of the contract. It's very likely that an arrest will be made sometime prior to the Roger Hollister trial.

A motive would appear to be to regain money and considerations lost in the divorce. And an ugly selfishness and soullessness which beggars belief.

Incidentally, RoHo's not going anywhere: $1.5 million bail for attempted capital murder charges, and $3 million bail for capital murder.

raeann
06-05-2010, 08:51 PM
This is O/T, but for those from the northeast Kansas area, there is a 13 year old boy missing from the Lawrence area. Please check the thread on Stevie Drake in the Missing forum here on WS for more information.

TIA

eyestowardHeaven
06-05-2010, 10:19 PM
EK is suing us to get back the money he paid in alimony during the time that Mom has been missing. I was nearly speechless when our lawyer informed us. When will I learn to NOT be surprised. There's no determined date of death, no dna results, no death certificate. But he wants that $$$$ back...

Stay tuned.

eyestowardHeaven
06-05-2010, 10:20 PM
This is O/T, but for those from the northeast Kansas area, there is a 13 year old boy missing from the Lawrence area. Please check the thread on Stevie Drake in the Missing forum here on WS for more information.

TIA

I've been out of commission all day - have not heard anything about it. Thanks for posting the info. I was supposed to be there for a wedding today.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 10:31 PM
EK is suing us to get back the money he paid in alimony during the time that Mom has been missing. I was nearly speechless when our lawyer informed us. When will I learn to NOT be surprised. There's no determined date of death, no dna results, no death certificate. But he wants that $$$$ back...

Stay tuned.

I don't usually post to this thread but I have been reading here and all I have to say is unfreakingbelievable.

Fairy1
06-05-2010, 10:38 PM
EK is suing us to get back the money he paid in alimony during the time that Mom has been missing. I was nearly speechless when our lawyer informed us. When will I learn to NOT be surprised. There's no determined date of death, no dna results, no death certificate. But he wants that $$$$ back...

Stay tuned.

Well, ya'll obviously didn't get your class from him. :rolleyes:

But then, we already knew that.

cookin
06-05-2010, 11:53 PM
EK is suing us to get back the money he paid in alimony during the time that Mom has been missing. I was nearly speechless when our lawyer informed us. When will I learn to NOT be surprised. There's no determined date of death, no dna results, no death certificate. But he wants that $$$$ back...

Stay tuned.

Just making himself look more guilty than ever! It's all about the $$ and that is what its going to bring hell to his front door for many reasons.

LaLaw2000
06-06-2010, 12:08 AM
I am just now reading this news. Thank God for the beginning of justice for Pat.

My heart goes out to the Kimmi children, sons and daughters in law, and grandchildren. GB you all, as well as the extended family and friends who loved Pat. I do not know any of you except through these threads, but have such feelings for you all. You had a wonderful Mother and I know she is looking down from Heaven giving you the strength you need to endure all of this. You have grace and dignity through the most horrible of times. I respect and admire you.

cookin
06-06-2010, 12:11 AM
This is O/T, but for those from the northeast Kansas area, there is a 13 year old boy missing from the Lawrence area. Please check the thread on Stevie Drake in the Missing forum here on WS for more information.

TIA

Thank you for this info Raeann. I just posted this story from Yahoo news on Facebook to get his picture out. I have a 24 year old son and can't imagine the heartache his Mom is going through.

Fairy1
06-06-2010, 01:53 AM
I am just now reading this news. Thank God for the beginning of justice for Pat.

My heart goes out to the Kimmi children, sons and daughters in law, and grandchildren. GB you all, as well as the extended family and friends who loved Pat. I do not know any of you except through these threads, but have such feelings for you all. You had a wonderful Mother and I know she is looking down from Heaven giving you the strength you need to endure all of this. You have grace and dignity through the most horrible of times. I respect and admire you.

And son-in-law, Lonnie. A pillar of strength and angel from heaven through all of this...

dreamweaver
06-06-2010, 04:04 AM
EK is suing us to get back the money he paid in alimony during the time that Mom has been missing. I was nearly speechless when our lawyer informed us. When will I learn to NOT be surprised. There's no determined date of death, no dna results, no death certificate. But he wants that $$$$ back...

Stay tuned.

He is da*n sure she is dead, isn't he?
Amazing that a lawyer would even draft a legal document without proof of death.

And the motive behind Patricia Kimmi's murder?
Just what Rita and family and WS members thought all along.
M O N E Y. (the love of money)

He has dug and graded and paved his way to hell.

Maybe he doesn't know you cannot spend money in prison
or in hell.
Not a thought in his mind about Patricia or his children or grandchidlren.

Patricia may rest in peace now.
He will not.

jane d
06-06-2010, 07:56 AM
Not to give EK any credit here, but the attorney might be the driving force behind this. He's going to want to be paid if his client has the possibility of facing some serious charges....

eyestowardHeaven
06-06-2010, 09:03 AM
Not to give EK any credit here, but the attorney might be the driving force behind this. He's going to want to be paid if his client has the possibility of facing some serious charges....

Even if that is the situation, EK has every choice in this matter to say, "No, I'm not going to do that to my kids, and my grandkids." Because, although the most unbelievable, slap-in-the-face part is that he's doing this for the $$$, the fact is this legal move on his part creates a lot of other legal problems for us, more time off from work that we don't have, time away from our kids, will cost twice as much money in legal fees as he gets back (for us), and stress that I almost can't take anymore. You'd think HE'D think about that, but no...

I am not at all upset w/ you for posting that thought though, I just wanted to give you our perspective on it. Believe me, if EK can blame any of his actions on someone else, he will, and I'm sure the lawyer gives him some of those opportunities. In EK's world, EVERYTHING will ALWAYS be SOMEONE ELSE'S fault. Without fail.

eyestowardHeaven
06-06-2010, 09:05 AM
Just making himself look more guilty than ever! It's all about the $$ and that is what its going to bring hell to his front door for many reasons.

BBM Exactly - I seriously can't figure out what he or his lawyer are thinking.

eyestowardHeaven
06-06-2010, 09:10 AM
I am just now reading this news. Thank God for the beginning of justice for Pat.

My heart goes out to the Kimmi children, sons and daughters in law, and grandchildren. GB you all, as well as the extended family and friends who loved Pat. I do not know any of you except through these threads, but have such feelings for you all. You had a wonderful Mother and I know she is looking down from Heaven giving you the strength you need to endure all of this. You have grace and dignity through the most horrible of times. I respect and admire you.

Thank you and God Bless. I think we've only done what she would have wanted us to do.

And son-in-law, Lonnie. A pillar of strength and angel from heaven through all of this...

Thank you so much - I'll have to tell him about your post because he's had a card from my Mom taped to the wall by his desk for years where she said he's "an angel on earth".

He is da*n sure she is dead, isn't he?
Amazing that a lawyer would even draft a legal document without proof of death.

And the motive behind Patricia Kimmi's murder?
Just what Rita and family and WS members thought all along.
M O N E Y. (the love of money)

He has dug and graded and paved his way to hell.

Maybe he doesn't know you cannot spend money in prison
or in hell.
Not a thought in his mind about Patricia or his children or grandchidlren.

Patricia may rest in peace now.
He will not.

He's had so many chances to change, and never does. And now we are where we are. Unbelievable.

cclearly
06-06-2010, 09:32 AM
I just read Pat's obit in the Topeka Cap. Journal. It is such a nice touch about the casual dress Rita.
Also, should EK be arrested and convicted (not saying he will - just IF he would) -- Rita, what would happen to the sawmill? Surely it would go to you kids - but still I am sure another long legal battle...:(

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we doth deceive" (or something like that)

bowmancabin
06-06-2010, 10:32 AM
www.dishon-maple-chaney.com
This site is the funeral home..go to obituaries to see photo & text.

lilcatt
06-06-2010, 11:57 AM
:cat:
Good morning. My prayers for the Kimmi Family. Is EK the biological father of the Kimmi children? How long have Pat and EK been divorced. I hope the Hollisters rolls over soon so we can get the right person off the street. No telling who he will decide to get rid of next. Looks like to me he has gone off the deep end and is extremely dangerous. Everyone should be very careful. mhoo.

eyestowardHeaven
06-06-2010, 12:21 PM
:cat:
Good morning. My prayers for the Kimmi Family. Is EK the biological father of the Kimmi children? How long have Pat and EK been divorced. I hope the Hollisters rolls over soon so we can get the right person off the street. No telling who he will decide to get rid of next. Looks like to me he has gone off the deep end and is extremely dangerous. Everyone should be very careful. mhoo.

EK is our biological father, although we all have wondered how in the world we are a part of him. The divorce was filed in August 2006 and was final in March 2008. They were married for 38 years.

I wonder every day how she was able to stay with him for all those years. There is so much that people don't know about how we lived, how we grew up. I don't know why in the world EK ever got married or wanted children. I don't know if he resented us or if we were a bother to have around...he never ENJOYED having a family. I don't know if he ever had the ability to love anyone but himself.

Whiskey Horse
06-06-2010, 02:13 PM
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Still hoping for at least one additional arrest....

Or MORE!

Whiskey Horse
06-06-2010, 02:20 PM
And son-in-law, Lonnie. A pillar of strength and angel from heaven through all of this...

Sounds as if you know him well, Fairy1. I am so glad that Rita has him to lean on and you can tell from the way he has acted that he loved his MIL.

lilcatt
06-06-2010, 03:36 PM
EK is our biological father, although we all have wondered how in the world we are a part of him. The divorce was filed in August 2006 and was final in March 2008. They were married for 38 years.

I wonder every day how she was able to stay with him for all those years. There is so much that people don't know about how we lived, how we grew up. I don't know why in the world EK ever got married or wanted children. I don't know if he resented us or if we were a bother to have around...he never ENJOYED having a family. I don't know if he ever had the ability to love anyone but himself.

:cat:

I am so sad for you and your family. To have a father like that and then to lose your mother, probably by him is terrible. My prayers for you.:rose:

reddoggiedog
06-06-2010, 06:03 PM
Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?

pepsione
06-06-2010, 11:06 PM
Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?

I hope she gets charged with something.

cookin
06-06-2010, 11:59 PM
[QUOTE=reddoggiedog;5256414]Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?[/Q

If not she SHOULD be and also ek. I have a gut feeling about him. He has to be the link between Reho and Roho and Pat. What else could the motive be but a payoff from someone.... a contract as the charges stated? Has anyone looked at the witness list?

cookin
06-07-2010, 12:02 AM
:cat:

I am so sad for you and your family. To have a father like that and then to lose your mother, probably by him is terrible. My prayers for you.:rose:

And he claims to be the VICTIM here! That his life has been changed by this. WTH!

wfgodot
06-07-2010, 12:13 AM
[QUOTE=reddoggiedog;5256414]Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?[/Q

If not she SHOULD be and also ek. I have a gut feeling about him. He has to be the link between Reho and Roho and Pat. What else could the motive be but a payoff from someone.... a contract as the charges stated? Has anyone looked at the witness list?

Hollisters on the witness list:

Carol Hollister
Bruce Hollister
Brett Hollister
Rebecca Hollister

http://cjonline.com/multimedia/documents/2010/060510/hollister.pdf *
*thanks again to jane d for finding this

I'm assuming that, in exchange for testimony, ReHo won't face charges or will face reduced charges. Just a guess. And also hoping that said testimony will link the crime to the obvious candidate to have let the contract.

son-of-bowmancabin
06-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?
In general, so-called "spousal privilege" protects communication between a husband and a wife in the same way doctor-patient or attorney-client confidentiality protects those conversations. This is a "privilege" given to and controlled by the accused. In other words, any conversation that RoHo had with ReHo about a crime can't be recounted by ReHo without RoHo's permission. As an example, if ReHo provided testimony that lead to a search warrant to obtain key evidence, that evidence is inadmissible by the prosecution.

The privilege appears to be revoked in the case where one spouse is a victim of a crime at the hands of another as in the attempted murder case.

So, unless ReHo was a party to the murder, it is unlikely that she will be charged with anything relating to the subsequent events. Obviously the investigators and the prosecution would be aware of this and were likely being very careful to not give ReHo the opportunity to break privilege and jeopardize a conviction.

Anyone interested in this should Google "spousal privilege" and then settle in for hours of reading.

son-of-bowmancabin
06-07-2010, 06:07 PM
Does anyone think that Rebecca Hol will be charged and if so what do you think the charges will be? Does anyone think charges will be brought this week against EK?

I also offer this previous post regarding potential charges against EK...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4997958#post4997958


This assumes that conspiracy is the only possible charge associated with hiring someone to commit a murder. Note that Hollister has NOT been charged with conspiracy. I don't think you can have a conspiracy (the legal definition) with only one participant.

beerslinger
06-07-2010, 11:18 PM
"Hypothetically, if RoHo says he agreed with EK to commit murder, RoHo is guilty of conspiracy because he followed the agreement with an overt act: the actual murder. If EK followed up the agreement with an action of any kind - whether legal or illegal - to further the conspiracy, he also would be guilty. However, if EK did nothing after agreeing that RoHo to commit murder, then EK is not guilty of conspiracy. "

Quote from your linked post.

what would count as an overt action? Paying RoHo? Talking about money with RoHo after the fact? Helping him get rid of the truck? (all hypotheticals here, just wondering out loud) Is knowing it was going to happen and not reporting it "overt" enough?

I keep thinking about that lady in the news recently who conspired to kill her husband, but the plot was found out and they let her believe that he had been killed when he hadn't. I wonder what she did after the initial agreement that led to her conspiracy charge.

My heart is with you guys as you are going through this... you are oaks when most of us would be saplings.

MindonMom
06-08-2010, 12:56 AM
K.S.A. 21-3302(a) provides that "[a] conspiracy is an agreement with another person to commit a crime or to assist in committing a crime." Furthermore, K.S.A. 21-3302(a) proclaims that "[n]o person may be convicted of a conspiracy unless an overt act in furtherance of such conspiracy is alleged and proved to have been committed by such person or by a co-conspirator."

BBM ^

I found the above after a few minutes searching. The way it reads to me, only one party has to commit the overt act for all parties to be guilty of conspiracy. Anyone else have an opinion on how it reads to them?

beerslinger
06-08-2010, 01:14 AM
K.S.A. 21-3302(a) provides that "[a] conspiracy is an agreement with another person to commit a crime or to assist in committing a crime." Furthermore, K.S.A. 21-3302(a) proclaims that "[n]o person may be convicted of a conspiracy unless an overt act in furtherance of such conspiracy is alleged and proved to have been committed by such person or by a co-conspirator."

BBM ^

I found the above after a few minutes searching. The way it reads to me, only one party has to commit the overt act for all parties to be guilty of conspiracy. Anyone else have an opinion on how it reads to them?


that makes much more sense. otherwise you could talk to people about killing someone all day long and if someone acted on it, you'd get off scott free.

thanks for clarifying

little_pony
06-08-2010, 07:58 AM
I'm just curious, but as far as I read the document RoHo is being charged with just one thing; contractual murder. Is that normal? Why wouldn't he be charged with a normal count of murder as well, and/or the kidnapping and so forth? If they cannot prove the contract does it all fall apart?

son-of-bowmancabin
06-08-2010, 09:55 AM
that makes much more sense. otherwise you could talk to people about killing someone all day long and if someone acted on it, you'd get off scott free.

thanks for clarifying

For good or for bad, the appellate court interpreted the statute referenced by MindonMom in such a way that someone can talk about killing someone. I agree with MindonMom's (and probably everyone else here's) assessment of the statute but it appears that the courts had a different opinion. The case I reference is this:

In State v. Hobson, 234 Kan. 133, 134-35, 671 P.2d 1365 (1983), Sueanne Hobson appealed her convictions of first-degree murder of her stepson and conspiracy to commit murder. The evidence suggested that Hobson asked her son to help her "get rid of" her stepson. 234 Kan. at 135. Hobson promised her son she would buy him a car if he would kill Hobson's stepson. The court, in evaluating the jury instructions given at trial, stated: "The facts tending to establish the appellant hired or procured others to kill [her stepson] would not, standing alone, have established the additional element of an overt act required to support the charge of conspiracy." 234 Kan. at 140.

Hobson, in the above case, is certainly not innocent. Unfortunately, she was not guilty of a crime.

beerslinger
06-08-2010, 09:59 AM
and one wonders why lawyers make the big bucks. it's clear as mud now. I was reading the wiki on conspiracy, it's pretty interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

beerslinger
06-08-2010, 10:01 AM
This is from the wiki. hope this isn't the case.

"It is also an option for prosecutors, when bringing conspiracy charges, to decline to indict all members of the conspiracy (though their existence may be mentioned in an indictment). Such unindicted co-conspirators are commonly found when the identities or whereabouts of members of a conspiracy are unknown; or when the prosecution is only concerned with a particular individual among the conspirators. "

beerslinger
06-08-2010, 10:06 AM
The Attorney General's Office said in a news released that the complaint alleges that on November 7th, 2009 in Atchison County, Hollister "intentionally and with premeditation killed Patricia Kimmi pursuant to a contract or agreement or was a party to a contract or agreement to have Kimmi killed."

from the topeka news article.

I guess all this "conspiracy" talk is a moot point because they have only charged him with capital murder. but they indicate that he was party to a contract agreement. Isn't that conspiracy? if they have evidence that it was a contract, shouldn't they have evidence with whom the contract was made? it makes no sense that there are no other charges!!!!

son-of-bowmancabin
06-08-2010, 10:52 AM
what would count as an overt action? Paying RoHo? Talking about money with RoHo after the fact? Helping him get rid of the truck? (all hypotheticals here, just wondering out loud) Is knowing it was going to happen and not reporting it "overt" enough?

I picked up bits and pieces while reading some case law. To me, it appears that these would qualify:

Making a payment
Helping hide evidence such as the truck
Providing information such as Pat's routine schedule
Checking on progress of the plan


I don't know what the court would say about "knowing it was going to happen". I'd be confident that a jury would say that it meets the criteria. I'm sure any competent criminal attorney would appeal if it came down to it and it would be up to an appellate court to decide.

On another note, both conspiracy and spousal privilege (as well as most of our legal system) are deeply rooted in English common law. This gives judges the latitude to take case law as well as the literal statute in to account when making decisions. As such, reading the statute alone does not sufficiently provide the full picture of options available to the prosecution. As an example, the so-called Miranda warnings are not generally codified in to statutes anywhere but they carry the force of law based entirely on a Supreme Court decision.

If you're interested in learning more about this, you can research "English common law" and compare it to "Napoleonic code".

I have a feeling we'll all be expert in this stuff as the trial proceeds. What a horrific reason to learn about it.:(

son-of-bowmancabin
06-08-2010, 11:20 AM
I guess all this "conspiracy" talk is a moot point because they have only charged him with capital murder. but they indicate that he was party to a contract agreement. Isn't that conspiracy? if they have evidence that it was a contract, shouldn't they have evidence with whom the contract was made? it makes no sense that there are no other charges!!!!

In testimony given at the attempted murder hearing, a statement indicated that RoHo "wore a wire" presumably in an effort to obtain evidence incriminating a co-conspirator and possibly be rewarded with a lesser charge. It appears he was unsuccessful and as a result the prosecution has no proof of a contract other than RoHo admitting to being hired. This established RoHo's motive for the prosecution but the burden of proof was then on RoHo to prove that a conspiracy was in place. The word of a suspected killer looking to avoid the death penalty is poor evidence at trial. As a result, it appears that the prosecution can use this admitted motive against RoHo but they so far lack any additional evidence against co-conspirators.

We'll see how this unfolds at trial, but it looks like law enforcement provided RoHo with enough rope to hang several people but he ended up only hanging himself.

son-of-bowmancabin
06-08-2010, 11:43 AM
and one wonders why lawyers make the big bucks. it's clear as mud now. I was reading the wiki on conspiracy, it's pretty interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)
The link you provided was missing the last ")". Here it is corrected:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_%28crime%29)

cookin
06-08-2010, 05:47 PM
Just want to say thanks to beerslinger and son-of-bowmancabin for the info. I know I appreciate it because I don't understand it, and don't have the time or patience to look it up. You make it easy to keep up with the charges and soon to be trial.

Blondie in Spokane
06-09-2010, 07:11 AM
~bump to the top~

jeansrme
06-09-2010, 08:42 AM
With so much information recently, my head is spinning!

My main concern is for Pat's family, each and every one. May the Lord continue to bless them and keep them strong. The video of them in the courtroom was so impressive. I could never keep myself in control like they have.

amazinggracie
06-09-2010, 12:27 PM
Another bump up.

Fairy1
06-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Sounds as if you know him well, Fairy1. I am so glad that Rita has him to lean on and you can tell from the way he has acted that he loved his MIL.

Only from what we've learned here and from the news! Seems he's always front and center and very involved. Seems to me he loved Pat and loves Rita very much.

Hoping for more news soon....

nurselady
06-09-2010, 08:53 PM
Back to the top..

jeansrme
06-09-2010, 11:29 PM
BUMP UP before bedtime!

jeansrme
06-10-2010, 09:21 AM
Hate to post two times in a row, but am bumping Pat back to the tip top of the page for this morning.

May the Lord bless everyone with a good day and keep Rita, Gene and their families close in his loving arms.

cookin
06-10-2010, 11:04 AM
I will "bump" for Pat this morning too.

nurselady
06-10-2010, 05:33 PM
Hopefully we will hear something soon..

cclearly
06-10-2010, 09:59 PM
I was talking to a person who knew RoHo and ReHo way back years ago... I mentioned that ReHo sold Home Interiors -- this person laughed and said yeah-- she "sold" home interiors and scoped out livestock for her husband to steal. Now this person was in law enforcement back in the day and would know about these things not saying this is gospel of course but I did hear this

Fairy1
06-10-2010, 10:31 PM
I was talking to a person who knew RoHo and ReHo way back years ago... I mentioned that ReHo sold Home Interiors -- this person laughed and said yeah-- she "sold" home interiors and scoped out livestock for her husband to steal. Now this person was in law enforcement back in the day and would know about these things not saying this is gospel of course but I did hear this

Well, that's interesting! I do believe there is more to come here. No matter how I look at it, I just don't believe RoHo took it upon himself to harm Patricia Kimmi.

wfgodot
06-11-2010, 12:04 AM
Here's a BUMP, along with the fervent hope that friends and acquaintances of our suspect have been interviewed, and are being re-interviewed, and will be re-interviewed again, until they feel the pressure to produce what they know. Because somebody out there does know, and I hope every one of their nights is a sleepless one until they tell what they do know.

Blondie in Spokane
06-11-2010, 09:20 AM
~bump~

wfgodot
06-12-2010, 12:45 AM
Grieving family can say goodbye*
Pat Kimmi's loved ones will finally get to celebrate her life in Saturday funeral
By Barbara Hollingsworth / Topeka Capital-Journal
Created June 11, 2010 at 10:43pm


HORTON Even at a funeral, Pat Kimmi never felt quite right dressed up.

The day before she was snatched from her home, she attended the funeral of one of her daughter-in-law's fathers and lamented that she always struggled to find the right thing to wear in her closet. She wished, she told her daughter, she could just wear jeans.

"I said from the very beginning when we get to have a funeral I'm wearing jeans," said daughter Rita Boller, who will finally get that chance at services today.
---
Boller remembers her mom thinking about various views and levels of heaven. "'I don't care,'" Boller remembers her mom quipping, "'if I'm even just in the outskirts of heaven, as long as I go to heaven I'm OK."
---
Perhaps the paths of Roger Hollister and Pat Kimmi had crossed by chance in the past. Roger Hollister was acquainted with Pat Kimmi's ex-husband, Eugene Kimmi, [County Attorney Jerry] Kuckelman said.

"Mr. Hollister did some woodworking, had a woodworking shop at his farm, and Mr. Kimmi ran a sawmill," he said. "I think there was a business relationship there."
---
Eugene and Pat Kimmi had a long, troubled marriage, remembers Sharon Blakley, who counted Pat Kimmi as a close friend for about 40 years.

In particular, Eugene Kimmi drank frequently and heavily almost daily, Boller said creating an often troubled environment at home. In March, he was charged in Brown County with a felony for driving under the influence.
---
In May, the family sought to garnish two months of unpaid alimony payments from Eugene Kimmi totaling $4,500. The payments had stopped before Pat Kimmi's remains were found. Those remains still haven't been officially identified and the family doesn't have a death certificate.

Eugene Kimmi is seeking to end the alimony payments. Boller said he wants a return of the money he paid since Pat Kimmi's disappearance. That request, made on the heels of her mom's body being found, hit her like a punch to the gut.

"It's kind of like you think you've been through the hardest part of it, and then something else knocks you down," she said.
---
[RoHo attorney James] Heathman said his client will plead not guilty to the Kimmi murder. Hollister also has denied the allegations in the case involving his wife, with his attorney calling the evidence "conflicting" in court documents. While the cases make their way through the system, Heathman said he has little he can say.

Kuckelman said he is still deciding if he will seek the death penalty and will consult the family on that decision.
---

*MAJOR article including nine pictures, at
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-06-11/grieving_family_can_say_goodbye

AmandaReckonwith
06-12-2010, 01:21 PM
Thinking of Pat's family today.

dreamweaver
06-12-2010, 02:48 PM
Grieving family can say goodbye*
Pat Kimmi's loved ones will finally get to celebrate her life in Saturday funeral
By Barbara Hollingsworth / Topeka Capital-Journal
Created June 11, 2010 at 10:43pm


HORTON Even at a funeral, Pat Kimmi never felt quite right dressed up.

The day before she was snatched from her home, she attended the funeral of one of her daughter-in-law's fathers and lamented that she always struggled to find the right thing to wear in her closet. She wished, she told her daughter, she could just wear jeans.

"I said from the very beginning when we get to have a funeral I'm wearing jeans," said daughter Rita Boller, who will finally get that chance at services today.
---
Boller remembers her mom thinking about various views and levels of heaven. "'I don't care,'" Boller remembers her mom quipping, "'if I'm even just in the outskirts of heaven, as long as I go to heaven I'm OK."
---
Perhaps the paths of Roger Hollister and Pat Kimmi had crossed by chance in the past. Roger Hollister was acquainted with Pat Kimmi's ex-husband, Eugene Kimmi, [County Attorney Jerry] Kuckelman said.

"Mr. Hollister did some woodworking, had a woodworking shop at his farm, and Mr. Kimmi ran a sawmill," he said. "I think there was a business relationship there."
---
Eugene and Pat Kimmi had a long, troubled marriage, remembers Sharon Blakley, who counted Pat Kimmi as a close friend for about 40 years.

In particular, Eugene Kimmi drank frequently and heavily almost daily, Boller said creating an often troubled environment at home. In March, he was charged in Brown County with a felony for driving under the influence.
---
In May, the family sought to garnish two months of unpaid alimony payments from Eugene Kimmi totaling $4,500. The payments had stopped before Pat Kimmi's remains were found. Those remains still haven't been officially identified and the family doesn't have a death certificate.

Eugene Kimmi is seeking to end the alimony payments. Boller said he wants a return of the money he paid since Pat Kimmi's disappearance. That request, made on the heels of her mom's body being found, hit her like a punch to the gut.

"It's kind of like you think you've been through the hardest part of it, and then something else knocks you down," she said.
---
[RoHo attorney James] Heathman said his client will plead not guilty to the Kimmi murder. Hollister also has denied the allegations in the case involving his wife, with his attorney calling the evidence "conflicting" in court documents. While the cases make their way through the system, Heathman said he has little he can say.

Kuckelman said he is still deciding if he will seek the death penalty and will consult the family on that decision.
---

*MAJOR article including nine pictures, at
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-06-11/grieving_family_can_say_goodbye

What a wonderful article. It says what we all continue to say.

little_pony
06-12-2010, 03:48 PM
Boller remembers her mom thinking about various views and levels of heaven. "'I don't care,'" Boller remembers her mom quipping, "'if I'm even just in the outskirts of heaven, as long as I go to heaven I'm OK."
---



Of course Pat's there. Thinking of her and the family and friends today.

lilcatt
06-12-2010, 04:07 PM
[QUOTE=wfgodot;5281368]Grieving family can say goodbye*
Pat Kimmi's loved ones will finally get to celebrate her life in Saturday funeral
By Barbara Hollingsworth / Topeka Capital-Journal
Created June 11, 2010 at 10:43pm

[RoHo attorney James] Heathman said his client will plead not guilty to the Kimmi murder. Hollister also has denied the allegations in the case involving his wife, with his attorney calling the evidence "conflicting" in court documents. While the cases make their way through the system, Heathman said he has little he can say.

Kuckelman said he is still deciding if he will seek the death penalty and will consult the family on that decision.

I just took this part out of article about the funeral. How is the attorney going to explain the fact that Pat was discovered across the road on his brothers farm? I would ask for the death penalty then offer life in prison without parole for information on whom hired him and who helped him. :cow:

Fairy1
06-12-2010, 09:31 PM
What a great article. I hope everything went well at Pat's service today.

And I hope EK is shaking in his boots. Tick tock, they are coming for you.

Blondie in Spokane
06-13-2010, 09:27 AM
~bump~

jeansrme
06-13-2010, 10:00 AM
quote wfgodot from Topeka Capitol Journal article -- Boller remembers her mom thinking about various views and levels of heaven. "'I don't care,'" Boller remembers her mom quipping, "'if I'm even just in the outskirts of heaven, as long as I go to heaven I'm OK."

Of course Pat's there. Thinking of her and the family and friends today.

From the description of how she raised her children and how she lived the life that she endured, Pat could be no where else! I would expect her photo to appear if I looked up "Christian woman deserving of heaven."

Blondie in Spokane
06-13-2010, 05:21 PM
~bump~

Fishing Friend
06-13-2010, 07:06 PM
Kimmi Kids....Because this case is not over yet, you will continue to feel deep pain, sorrow, and heartache. BAM! There will be people who make you feel like you have been punched in the stomach, and when this happens know that you have support from the Savior. There is a song that says Come with your heartache your sorrow and care. Come to the Savior today. Jesus will comfort Oh why then despair? He will not turn you a way. Come with your heartache the Savior will hear. Come and unburden your soul. Jesus has promised to dry every tear - Heart, broken hearts, He makes whole. Come with your heartache - the world cannot heal! Why should you suffer alone? only the Savior your heartache can feel - Jesus still cares for His own. Come with your heartache, O come to Him now. He will not turn you away. Jesus is waiting your burdens to share. Come with your heartache today. I just wanted to give you encouragement. Your community still loves and supports you, but most of all Jesus feels your heartaches and will give you comfort when you need it most. He also deals with the wicked.

bowmancabin
06-13-2010, 07:39 PM
video at wibw.com
so sad...

eyestowardHeaven
06-13-2010, 09:51 PM
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=136275

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Memorial/3bdghxUDEk2AowqRxRjS7g.cspx

We're so honored to have had our whole community celebrating her life with us. We got to meet her group of "horse" friends, who came from all over, there were her neighbors and friends she grew up with, even complete strangers. It was amazing.

Our choir was absolutely ANGELIC, including Beth who sang a solo that was so, so perfect for Mom - Where He Leads Me.

The churches here worked for days to have refreshments for everyone who attended.

One of the memories I spoke about that day was Mom taking me to see a drive in movie for the first time, and we saw Coal Miner's Daughter. Gene called me later that night and said, "Hey, guess what's on tv right now???" Coal Miner's Daughter. I watched it again Mom.

So many questions from the little ones that day. "Ninny's in there. She's in the casket." "Is she Mom?" "No, she's in Heaven." "NO, she's not in Heaven and she's NOT in THERE either!" So hard.

All of the grandkids took up the gifts at communion, including Ninny's special things...her crocs, a vase, a picture of her dog...

We were all decked out in white shirts, jeans, and boots.

Her casket piece was made of white and pale pink roses and greenery, arranged around one of her old bridles. She would have loved it.

Thank you to all who helped us make her celebration so special.

jeansrme
06-13-2010, 10:37 PM
Rita,
Thanks for such a nice description of your Mom's service. She was so blessed to live in such a wonderful community and to have such a loving family. The news videos were so touching. Thanks for sharing one of your special memories with us -- a drive in movie -- what a special event!

We'll all be with you in thought and prayer tomorrow as RoHo begins his court appearances.

jeansrme
06-14-2010, 07:47 AM
Bump up for Monday morning!

little_pony
06-14-2010, 03:32 PM
Monday afternoon bump.
Thank you for sharing links to the memorial service. Makes my heart glad to see the church crammed full of people for Pat.

Cherry Baby
06-14-2010, 05:17 PM
Sounds like it was a wonderful and loving service for a wonderful and loving woman. Despite your sorrow now you were truly blessed in having her as your mother.

No matter what, I've found that what comes around goes around. Surely as your mother is on the right side of angels those that caused her departure from this earth will not inhabit the same paradise. I guarantee that.

eyestowardHeaven
06-14-2010, 06:20 PM
RoHo appeared today in Atchison County court w/ counsel. New court date set for July 1st, 9:00 am. Defense will say if they are ready to set a date for the prelim at that time, if I understand correctly.

MindonMom
06-14-2010, 06:45 PM
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=136535

http://www.knzafm.com/stories/02890_HOLLISTER-MAKES-BRIEF-APPEARANCE-IN-COURT_162241.php

Fairy1
06-14-2010, 11:15 PM
I sooooo wish I could have been at Pat's memorial service. I could TOTALLY get on board with the dress code!

And hoping for another arrest (or two!) soon.....

More prayers for Pat's babies, grandbabies and friends!

MindonMom
06-15-2010, 12:11 AM
Here is a video from today's court appearance.

http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=9995&ref=quadiframe

I also want to thank all of you for the kind words and support you have given us. Mom would be so touched seeing how family, friends, community, and all of you have come together to help us through this with your thoughts and prayers.

jeansrme
06-15-2010, 07:18 AM
Gene & Rita -- thanks for the info regarding yesterday's court appearance of RoHo. The news links, especially the video, are our taste of a long road ahead. Isn't there just an endless list of things we'd like to say to or ask RoHo? I personally would like to just wring his neck!!! Maybe I should not have said that, but I couldn't stop my fingers!!!

I am SO impressed with your self-control Kimmi kids!

P. S. Maybe RoHo and others could join Joran Van der Sloot in a prison in Peru with the reputation of being one of the country’s most brutal.

I must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed today! Bad mood doesn't find me saying very nice things. Sorry -- but kind of not.

bowmancabin
06-15-2010, 10:04 AM
Here is a video from today's court appearance.

http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=9995&ref=quadiframe

I also want to thank all of you for the kind words and support you have given us. Mom would be so touched seeing how family, friends, community, and all of you have come together to help us through this with your thoughts and prayers.

Who was the young man in the blue tee shirt sitting next to RH? Was it family or LE?

MindonMom
06-15-2010, 11:09 AM
Who was the young man in the blue tee shirt sitting next to RH? Was it family or LE?

He was LE, a jailor, I believe.

lilcatt
06-15-2010, 02:21 PM
:cat:
My prayers for the Kimmi family.

jeansrme
06-15-2010, 11:26 PM
A bump up as I get ready to retire for the evening.

Continued prayers for Pat's family.

Fairy1
06-16-2010, 12:28 AM
Bumping with LOVE and PRAYERS!

Blondie in Spokane
06-16-2010, 12:20 PM
bumping with a prayer

nurselady
06-17-2010, 02:04 AM
bump!!!

cookin
06-17-2010, 09:18 AM
A "bump" this morning for Patricia Kimmi and prayers for strength for the Kimmi family for the long road ahead. You have a support group that seems to be nation wide. God bless you all.

bowmancabin
06-17-2010, 09:26 AM
www.hiawathaworldonline.com
Kimmi Murder Case Put On Hold
Re: Hearing on Monday
Has a bit of new information.

Blondie in Spokane
06-17-2010, 06:30 PM
~bump~

wfgodot
06-17-2010, 06:53 PM
Another BUMP with the reminder that tomorrow's Friday, a big day so far in the pursuit of justice in this case. Let's hope the trend continues.

cookin
06-17-2010, 08:37 PM
www.hiawathaworldonline.com
Kimmi Murder Case Put On Hold
Re: Hearing on Monday
Has a bit of new information.

I'm confused. One of the Kimmi son's did some work for who? Judge Asher or Hollister? I hate to ask, but I read it that it is the Judge...am I wrong?

Blondie in Spokane
06-17-2010, 10:56 PM
I understood it to be Judge Asher.

bowmancabin
06-18-2010, 04:17 AM
I'm confused. One of the Kimmi son's did some work for who? Judge Asher or Hollister? I hate to ask, but I read it that it is the Judge...am I wrong?

Just a guess...one of the Kimmi sons is a cabinet maker and he may have done some work for the Judge.

cookin
06-18-2010, 08:12 AM
Just a guess...one of the Kimmi sons is a cabinet maker and he may have done some work for the Judge.

Thank you...that's what I thought. My mother-in-law read it the other way and I wanted to make sure.

Blondie in Spokane
06-18-2010, 12:58 PM
~bump~

nurselady
06-18-2010, 03:00 PM
So hoping we would hear something more today.

amazinggracie
06-18-2010, 11:27 PM
Bumping on a Friday evening.

nurselady
06-19-2010, 03:01 AM
Bump,,

Whiskey Horse
06-19-2010, 10:34 PM
I hope that all the Kimmi's are taking a well deserved couple of days to themselves. Want to thank them all for making us all so welcome and taking us into their lives and their hearts. Our "little horse group" was amazed at our welcome and we each took something home with us that will stay forever in our hearts. Pat was truly blessed with her family, her friends, her faith and her community and I'm sure that justice will bless her too.

jeansrme
06-20-2010, 10:28 AM
This is a Sunday morning bump for Pat and her kids, grandkids and many other relatives and friends.

Quoting "cookin" from 6-17 ---- A "bump" this morning for Patricia Kimmi and prayers for strength for the Kimmi family for the long road ahead. You have a support group that seems to be nation wide. God bless you all.

I can add nothing to that post except that Pat's family and this support group never leaves my thoughts and prayers.

Daisy_May
06-20-2010, 07:41 PM
Bump for the Kimmi family! I am so glad that some excitement happened while I was on vacation! Hope there is even more action soon.

Blondie in Spokane
06-21-2010, 12:23 AM
~bump~

Blondie in Spokane
06-21-2010, 10:18 AM
~bump~

Whiskey Horse
06-21-2010, 06:37 PM
I guess no news is good news but I sure wish that things would start to move in Kansas, surely there is more going on than being said??

nursebeeme
06-21-2010, 10:16 PM
I am moved in for the most part (( my new move with the military))) and I finally have internet... so bump

if this was a "contract killing" (as a lot of us thought it would be) where is the arrest for the son of a biatch that took out the contract on patricia kimmi?

Fairy1
06-21-2010, 10:31 PM
I am moved in for the most part (( my new move with the military))) and I finally have internet... so bump

if this was a "contract killing" (as a lot of us thought it would be) where is the arrest for the son of a biatch that took out the contract on patricia kimmi?

Great to have you back nursey!!!! Hope the move went well and you and family are getting settled in.

Yep - have had a bit of activity, but I can't help thinking there will be more - sooner, rather than later!

wfgodot
06-21-2010, 10:44 PM
I am moved in for the most part (( my new move with the military))) and I finally have internet... so bump

if this was a "contract killing" (as a lot of us thought it would be) where is the arrest for the son of a biatch that took out the contract on patricia kimmi?

Hoorah! Welcome back. I feel certain that nursebeeme's back-in-action karma will now speed this case along.

Blondie in Spokane
06-21-2010, 11:10 PM
I am moved in for the most part (( my new move with the military))) and I finally have internet... so bump

if this was a "contract killing" (as a lot of us thought it would be) where is the arrest for the son of a biatch that took out the contract on patricia kimmi?

Glad you're back, Nurse....and yes, I am waiting like you for the additional arrest(s)....

nurselady
06-21-2010, 11:59 PM
I am moved in for the most part (( my new move with the military))) and I finally have internet... so bump

if this was a "contract killing" (as a lot of us thought it would be) where is the arrest for the son of a biatch that took out the contract on patricia kimmi?

Missed you nurse...Hope you remembered it get a hair cut...We need all the help we can get..

little_pony
06-22-2010, 03:22 PM
Bump!

Fairy1
06-22-2010, 09:36 PM
BUMP! Just an observation, but I notice when Rita and Gene go quiet around here, something is about to break. Hope that's the case this time!

little_pony
06-23-2010, 09:20 AM
My friends who attended Pat's service brought back many pictures for those of us who could not. This piece the family had done with Pat's bridle mixed in with the flowers and the names she went by for the family was so touching.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu95/Little_Pony/Pat%20K/37357_1377877491502_1368831237_3106.jpg

nursebeeme
06-23-2010, 01:31 PM
bumping up for Pat!!! (and yes, I do need a haircut guys!)

dreamweaver
06-23-2010, 01:47 PM
nursebeeme: So glad to see you back with us. Hope your move went well.

I am hoping we have more good 'breaking' news from Horton, KS.
It shouldn't take too much longer to arrest the man who ordered the murder of Patricia Kimmi.

SuziQ
06-23-2010, 01:57 PM
My friends who attended Pat's service brought back many pictures for those of us who could not. This piece the family had done with Pat's bridle mixed in with the flowers and the names she went by for the family was so touching.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu95/Little_Pony/Pat%20K/37357_1377877491502_1368831237_3106.jpg

That is beautiful.

cookin
06-23-2010, 02:04 PM
BUMP! Just an observation, but I notice when Rita and Gene go quiet around here, something is about to break. Hope that's the case this time!

Yep, I've noticed that too. We'll see....

nurselady
06-24-2010, 12:29 AM
Bump..

eyestowardHeaven
06-24-2010, 09:16 AM
Sorry we've been MIA - our grandma is really sick. She's now on hospice care and one of us has to be with her 24/7.

God really, REALLY must have a sense of humor...it's not comfortable at all being in the same house with certain members of the family. There was a roomful of all the "characters" in this case, saying prayers w/ our priest as Grandma hung on to her rosary. It's all you can do to keep from laughing hysterically, especially as EK comes thru the kitchen and says, "Hi Rita." What the living hell?????????

But this is about Grandma, and making her comfortable for as long as we can. She's ready to go Home.

Court date w/ EK re: returning alimony payments Tues. June 29 10am, and
Hollister has a court date in At Co on July 1 at 9am

Thank you all for continuing to hang with us. We may never meet, but you are amazing and you certainly give us strength with all of your encouragement.

JLMcKenna83
06-24-2010, 09:23 AM
I'm so sorry to hear about your Grandma.... Sending extra prayers your way.

Please don't feel obligated to check in, we all understand that right now your family is going through a very trying time. (We just start to worry a bit... it's in our nature....)

little_pony
06-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Huge hugs and strength your way!

Blondie in Spokane
06-24-2010, 05:24 PM
~bump~

Whiskey Horse
06-24-2010, 06:04 PM
Sorry we've been MIA - our grandma is really sick. She's now on hospice care and one of us has to be with her 24/7.

God really, REALLY must have a sense of humor...it's not comfortable at all being in the same house with certain members of the family. There was a roomful of all the "characters" in this case, saying prayers w/ our priest as Grandma hung on to her rosary. It's all you can do to keep from laughing hysterically, especially as EK comes thru the kitchen and says, "Hi Rita." What the living hell?????????

But this is about Grandma, and making her comfortable for as long as we can. She's ready to go Home.

Court date w/ EK re: returning alimony payments Tues. June 29 10am, and
Hollister has a court date in At Co on July 1 at 9am

Thank you all for continuing to hang with us. We may never meet, but you are amazing and you certainly give us strength with all of your encouragement.

Good Gravy (not what I want to say but trying to keep it clean here), I just can't believe that there is anything more that you all have to go thru. But one more time you all come thru with flying colors, showing the compassion and grace that has been with you all along. May God grant you the strength to carry on and I hope that you can hear the prayers and feel the support and love that Pat's horse friends are sending you. We carry you with us where ever we go.

jeansrme
06-25-2010, 09:29 PM
Thanks Gene for letting us know about your Grandmother. I add my prayers to those already posted. If she is ready to go Home, I do hope that the Lord will take her sooner than later.

cclearly
06-26-2010, 04:59 PM
So Sorry about your grandma. I knew she was bad, and all of this had to be tough on her too.

I saw you Rita one day when my sis and I were in Horton, and I almost went up and said something-- but realized that you would not know me by sight. I didn't want to freak you out and you were talking to someone so let it go.

nurselady
06-27-2010, 02:23 AM
Back to the top!!

Blondie in Spokane
06-27-2010, 07:34 AM
~bump~

bowmancabin
06-27-2010, 09:31 PM
Spoke to some of the Kimmi family on Saturday & again on Sunday. Grandma (Rosie Kimmi) died & will be buried on Monday. I think she was 84.

bowmancabin
06-27-2010, 09:53 PM
Obituary @
www.beckerdyer.com

Fairy1
06-27-2010, 10:04 PM
So sorry for your loss Rita, Gene, et al. Sending more prayers your way.

wfgodot
06-27-2010, 10:53 PM
"When sorrows come, they come not single spies, but in battalions." (from Hamlet)


Prayers.

Texas Mist
06-28-2010, 10:13 AM
bumping for Pat and family

nursebeeme
06-28-2010, 10:38 AM
Spoke to some of the Kimmi family on Saturday & again on Sunday. Grandma (Rosie Kimmi) died & will be buried on Monday. I think she was 84. my prayers go out to you guys Rita and Gene.. and your entire family

jeansrme
06-28-2010, 02:05 PM
I, too send my prayers. A Grandmother is such a special person in our lives. I hope that warm memories help ease the pain of her death. :praying:

Whiskey Horse
06-28-2010, 11:13 PM
Spoke to some of the Kimmi family on Saturday & again on Sunday. Grandma (Rosie Kimmi) died & will be buried on Monday. I think she was 84.

All of us, are once again sending you our heartfelt love and condolences. I am sorry that we cannot be with you in person but know that we are with you in spirit and holding you close. God Bless

little_pony
06-29-2010, 08:47 AM
Very sorry for your loss, Kimmi family.

davehead21
06-29-2010, 12:47 PM
I am just now catching up on this thread. I'm so very sorry for your family's loss-- I will keep you all in my prayers.

MindonMom
06-29-2010, 02:35 PM
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers concerning Grandma.

Most of her grandkids who live close by and her daughter-in-law were with her Saturday evening when she passed away. She had been asking all of us to pray for her, so someone suggested we pray the rosary for her. We were about half way through it when she passed.

Fairy1
06-29-2010, 09:14 PM
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers concerning Grandma.

Most of her grandkids who live close by and her daughter-in-law were with her Saturday evening when she passed away. She had been asking all of us to pray for her, so someone suggested we pray the rosary for her. We were about half way through it when she passed.

Sounds perfect, under the circumstances. Hope your family is doing well.

Blondie in Spokane
06-30-2010, 08:41 AM
~bump~

nurselady
06-30-2010, 11:13 PM
back to page one..

Fairy1
06-30-2010, 11:26 PM
Prayers for Pat, babies, grandbabies and friends. Gosh - what is taking SO LONG?????

bowmancabin
07-01-2010, 10:15 AM
I think Hollister may be in the Atchison County Court @ 9:00 am today (unless I've missed something and it was re-scheduled). Thought I would keep checking for news.

nursebeeme
07-01-2010, 11:16 AM
bumpity bump (nurse waves at Rita! I see you on ;-)

eyestowardHeaven
07-01-2010, 11:22 AM
Thank you for the continued prayers and condolences for our Grandma. She was a tough lady and she will be dearly missed. If you read between the lines in Gene's post, you'll see that her OWN SON, EK, was not there when she passed away. He hadn't stopped by the entire day, nor did he even call to check on her. Rumor is he was at an auction and buying his new "girlfriend" a ring. I swear, I keep asking myself when I will stop being surprised at his lack of conscience. I CANNOT believe he wasn't there with her.

And, true to form, he chose to be a jerk during the time we were taking care of her. I think he completely burned all family bridges when he demanded the day after she passed away, that any items she gave away to any of her grandkids in the past years be returned to him. There was no funeral for her, just a graveside service, and he didn't join the family for that - just stood by his gf's truck from a distance.

Our court hearing on Monday resulted in EK's lawyer withdrawing their request for past maintenance payments to be returned since there was no evidence to prove that she is deceased, and they had thought there was. Isn't that a big fat lie? We all knew at the time that was filed, there was no dna evidence proving the remains were Mom's. And how the heck would you prove a date of death, unless you had KNOWLEDGE in some way, shape or form????? Keep pushing EK...we'll never give up.

No word yet on the hearing today but will post as soon as I hear something.

eyestowardHeaven
07-01-2010, 11:25 AM
Hi Nurse! The kids & I are off to a picnic now, I will check in later!

Fairy1
07-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Thank you for the continued prayers and condolences for our Grandma. She was a tough lady and she will be dearly missed. If you read between the lines in Gene's post, you'll see that her OWN SON, EK, was not there when she passed away. He hadn't stopped by the entire day, nor did he even call to check on her. Rumor is he was at an auction and buying his new "girlfriend" a ring. I swear, I keep asking myself when I will stop being surprised at his lack of conscience. I CANNOT believe he wasn't there with her.

And, true to form, he chose to be a jerk during the time we were taking care of her. I think he completely burned all family bridges when he demanded the day after she passed away, that any items she gave away to any of her grandkids in the past years be returned to him. There was no funeral for her, just a graveside service, and he didn't join the family for that - just stood by his gf's truck from a distance.

Our court hearing on Monday resulted in EK's lawyer withdrawing their request for past maintenance payments to be returned since there was no evidence to prove that she is deceased, and they had thought there was. Isn't that a big fat lie? We all knew at the time that was filed, there was no dna evidence proving the remains were Mom's. And how the heck would you prove a date of death, unless you had KNOWLEDGE in some way, shape or form????? Keep pushing EK...we'll never give up.

No word yet on the hearing today but will post as soon as I hear something.

Jeez, Rita! It's hard to imagine someone being so cold and black-hearted. But the worse he behaves, the more I feel confident we're going to see a lovely example of:

EVIL, meet KARMA.

wfgodot
07-01-2010, 12:40 PM
PRELIMINARY HEARING SET FOR HOLLISTER IN KIMMI CASE

A preliminary hearing has been set for a rural Sabetha man charged with capital murder in the death of an Atchison County woman.
During a brief hearing ( this/Thursday ) morning in Atchison County Court an August 31st preliminary hearing was set for Roger Hollister in the death of 58-year-old Patricia Kimmi. Prosecutors say Hollister could face the death penalty for what they call a contract killing.
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Hollister is also charged in Brown County with attempted first-degree murder for trying to kill his wife by driving their SUV into the path of a semi truck on February 26th. Rebecca Hollister suffered severe injuries in the crash. Arraignment in that case is set for July 21st in Brown County Court.

more at
http://www.knzafm.com/stories/03157_PRELIMINARY-HEARING-SET-FOR-HOLLISTER-IN-KIMMI-CASE_113512.php

Whiskey Horse
07-01-2010, 06:05 PM
Thank you for the continued prayers and condolences for our Grandma. She was a tough lady and she will be dearly missed. If you read between the lines in Gene's post, you'll see that her OWN SON, EK, was not there when she passed away. He hadn't stopped by the entire day, nor did he even call to check on her. Rumor is he was at an auction and buying his new "girlfriend" a ring. I swear, I keep asking myself when I will stop being surprised at his lack of conscience. I CANNOT believe he wasn't there with her.



And, true to form, he chose to be a jerk during the time we were taking care of her. I think he completely burned all family bridges when he demanded the day after she passed away, that any items she gave away to any of her grandkids in the past years be returned to him. There was no funeral for her, just a graveside service, and he didn't join the family for that - just stood by his gf's truck from a distance.

Our court hearing on Monday resulted in EK's lawyer withdrawing their request for past maintenance payments to be returned since there was no evidence to prove that she is deceased, and they had thought there was. Isn't that a big fat lie? We all knew at the time that was filed, there was no dna evidence proving the remains were Mom's. And how the heck would you prove a date of death, unless you had KNOWLEDGE in some way, shape or form????? Keep pushing EK...we'll never give up.

No word yet on the hearing today but will post as soon as I hear something.

Glad the lawyer withdrew his request, maybe now all things will start going your way.

I'm with you, can't believe EK is such a callous beast. His heart must be made of lead, along with his head and other various unworking parts! Am so sorry that you all have to go thru this, hugs and love to you all.

Fairy1
07-01-2010, 09:46 PM
Bumping up, up, up. Friday's coming ya'll!

amazinggracie
07-01-2010, 10:47 PM
Ditto, Whiskey Horse. Can't imagine how Pat put up with him for so many years. And how very grasping to demand return of items she chose to pass on to family. Now, for the $60,000 question - he's buying his new gf a ring at an auction? What kind of a nutcase is she? (sheesh.)

bowmancabin
07-02-2010, 01:20 AM
atchisonglobeonline.com
said Hollister to have preliminary hearing 9:00 August 31.

bowmancabin
07-02-2010, 01:24 AM
stjoechannel.com
has a video

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 10:41 AM
bump up... And Rita, hope you enjoyed your picnic :-)

Oh my that breaks my heart what EK did to the grandkids... there are words but if I said them here I would be banned for life!

Are investigators stil keeping you updated on her case? If they have enough evidence to say it was a "murder for hire" I sure hope they are onto the person who did the hiring!!!!!!

My prayers are with you girl!

nurselady
07-02-2010, 12:23 PM
bump up... And Rita, hope you enjoyed your picnic :-)

Oh my that breaks my heart what EK did to the grandkids... there are words but if I said them here I would be banned for life!

Are investigators stil keeping you updated on her case? If they have enough evidence to say it was a "murder for hire" I sure hope they are onto the person who did the hiring!!!!!!

My prayers are with you girl!
Amen!!!

Whiskey Horse
07-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Hi Nurse! The kids & I are off to a picnic now, I will check in later!

I hope you will all find some peace and solace in nature and sunshine, be sure that Pat, Tay & Grandma Rosie will be smiling down on you.

lynejo
07-02-2010, 08:25 PM
Wishing the Kimmi family and all my Websleuth friends a Happy for of July weekend
:dance: :toast: :sunshine:

:usa:Have Fun,Be Smart & Stay Safe!:usa:

Fairy1
07-02-2010, 08:33 PM
Ya know, I got to wondering today......what kind of woman would sign up to be EK's girlfriend these days? Is this the same woman that caused the divorce? What could she possibly be thinking?

MindonMom
07-02-2010, 09:17 PM
Ya know, I got to wondering today......what kind of woman would sign up to be EK's girlfriend these days? Is this the same woman that caused the divorce? What could she possibly be thinking?

This is not the one that caused the divorce. She is EK's brother's widow.

Fairy1
07-02-2010, 09:36 PM
This is not the one that caused the divorce. She is EK's brother's widow.

Oh for crying out loud! Just gets better and better. Jeez!

oz-girl
07-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Trying to clarify. Who is brother's widow, current girlfriend or one that broke up marriage? Thanks.

dreamweaver
07-02-2010, 10:58 PM
I am so glad that the killer has been arrested and there is a trial. But, I can only hope there is enough evidence to arrest and convict the person who ordered the abduction/murder.

And just a word about a man who treated his wife horribly for years, who ignored his children, who carried on with another woman, who delighted in his cruel meaness when his wife divorced him, who is 99.99 perdent more than likely to have hired someone to kill his ex wife.............
who then continued to show contempt and coldness in the six months before
his ex wife's body was found...
who continued to ignore his adult children...
who then asked for money he had paid the ex wife to be returned to him..
who then was not at his mother's side as she lay dying..
who then only had a pitiful service for his mother as he watched from afar.

One word: Evil.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm



as always, IMO.

MindonMom
07-02-2010, 11:18 PM
Trying to clarify. Who is brother's widow, current girlfriend or one that broke up marriage? Thanks.

The current girlfriend is his brother's widow.

Fairy1
07-03-2010, 01:15 AM
Still bumping up for Pat!!!

Whiskey Horse
07-04-2010, 12:56 AM
This is not the one that caused the divorce. She is EK's brother's widow.

You're kidding...no, you're not, are you? Oh, boy, what on earth can happen next?

Hugs y'all!

little_pony
07-04-2010, 10:13 PM
Whiskey Horse, pass me the bottle. My head is spinning.

Twain was right. Truth is stranger then fiction.

nurselady
07-04-2010, 11:36 PM
Can you believe?

nursebeeme
07-05-2010, 02:00 PM
bumping up

bowmancabin
07-05-2010, 02:32 PM
No news but the RAIN..
I think it rained about 4" on Sunday (the 4th) & it is raining today...
Had perfect weather for the holiday on Saturday evening...fireworks in Everest..some of the Kimmi family were there...

eyestowardHeaven
07-06-2010, 03:14 PM
Whiskey Horse, pass me the bottle. My head is spinning.

Twain was right. Truth is stranger then fiction.

I think this every. single. day. You really couldn't make this stuff up...not if you were sane, that is.

We went to a good friend's wedding on Saturday in Nebraska - Mom would have been there for sure, if she were here. He proposed to his girlfriend on Fall River Road, one of Mom's favorite places in Colorado, and she was so excited for them. It was a long, long drive, but it was the first time we've been away from home for an entire day since last November, and it was kind of nice. The wedding was beautiful and their pastor had a good message, with a little humor thrown in. He talked about how unselfish a man has to be to give up his single life, to share a life with a woman, and to love her no matter what...you can't live with them, you can't live without them, he said.

And a woman is unselfish to give up her independent life, to honor and obey her husband, no matter how difficult...you can't live with them, and YOU CAN'T SHOOT 'EM!! LOL!

It HAS been kind of quiet, but just wait - kind of like Kansas weather, if you wait a few days, I'm sure something will change.

Hope you all had a great 4th and God Bless and watch over all those who fight for our freedom.

Fairy1
07-06-2010, 08:30 PM
So glad to hear you and your family were able to get away and enjoy a happy occasion.

We're not going anywhere. We'll wait here for the other shoe to drop and then for the gavel to drop!

Whiskey Horse
07-06-2010, 10:40 PM
I think this every. single. day. You really couldn't make this stuff up...not if you were sane, that is.

We went to a good friend's wedding on Saturday in Nebraska - Mom would have been there for sure, if she were here. He proposed to his girlfriend on Fall River Road, one of Mom's favorite places in Colorado, and she was so excited for them. It was a long, long drive, but it was the first time we've been away from home for an entire day since last November, and it was kind of nice. The wedding was beautiful and their pastor had a good message, with a little humor thrown in. He talked about how unselfish a man has to be to give up his single life, to share a life with a woman, and to love her no matter what...you can't live with them, you can't live without them, he said.

And a woman is unselfish to give up her independent life, to honor and obey her husband, no matter how difficult...you can't live with them, and YOU CAN'T SHOOT 'EM!! LOL!

It HAS been kind of quiet, but just wait - kind of like Kansas weather, if you wait a few days, I'm sure something will change.

Hope you all had a great 4th and God Bless and watch over all those who fight for our freedom.

I'll bet Pat WAS with you. Glad you had some peace and quiet away from all the stress.

Your statement sounded like one of those teaser ads on TV...so now I'm just going to sit here and wait for that Kansas weather to change!

As always, praying with everyone for our troops and their safe return.

Fairy1
07-07-2010, 11:43 PM
Still sending prayers up for Pat Kimmi and those who loved her in life. :(

eyestowardHeaven
07-08-2010, 06:46 PM
I've been posting the wrong date for EK's arraignment on the felony DUI - it's tomorrow at 9am.

Whiskey Horse
07-08-2010, 10:59 PM
I've been posting the wrong date for EK's arraignment on the felony DUI - it's tomorrow at 9am.

OK, we're back to things taking place on Friday? Maybe Nursebeme needs another hair cut?

Will be with you tomorrow, will you be attending the arraignment? Take care and let us know the results.

Hugs and Love from
TEXAS

bowmancabin
07-09-2010, 08:58 AM
Had to look up 'arraignment' ..I think it means appear before the judge ...enter a plea...and then judge would set date for the next court appearance...?
Had to look up 'DUI felony' (Kansas) ...I think that DUI #1 & DUI #2 are misdemeanors but DUI #3 is a felony..?

eyestowardHeaven
07-09-2010, 10:53 AM
Had to look up 'arraignment' ..I think it means appear before the judge ...enter a plea...and then judge would set date for the next court appearance...?
Had to look up 'DUI felony' (Kansas) ...I think that DUI #1 & DUI #2 are misdemeanors but DUI #3 is a felony..?

Yes to all that.

eyestowardHeaven
07-09-2010, 11:00 AM
OK, we're back to things taking place on Friday? Maybe Nursebeme needs another hair cut?

Will be with you tomorrow, will you be attending the arraignment? Take care and let us know the results.

Hugs and Love from
TEXAS

A haircut for Nursebeeme would be most welcome! We're not going to the arraignment, but will let you know as soon as we hear anything. Hugs and love back to you!!!!!!

wfgodot
07-09-2010, 11:13 AM
I did my usual Friday morning WalMart jaunt so as not to jinx anything, thinking all the while that an arraignment would be a good time for an arrest on another matter.

eyestowardHeaven
07-09-2010, 12:58 PM
wfgdot... :)

Jury trial set for EK on felony DUI for August 30 in Brown County.

Fairy1
07-09-2010, 03:07 PM
wfgdot... :)

Jury trial set for EK on felony DUI for August 30 in Brown County.

Jury trial? For DUI? Wow! I guess because it's a felony DUI - why is that?

bowmancabin
07-09-2010, 06:15 PM
Didn't catch the whole story but there was something on WIBW @ 5:00 (re: EK in court).

cookin
07-10-2010, 12:14 AM
wfgdot... :)

Jury trial set for EK on felony DUI for August 30 in Brown County.

Where will they ever find someone to be on that jury??? Anyone around here knows about him and I don't know how they could be neutral.

bowmancabin
07-10-2010, 03:53 AM
WIBW video archives (7-9-2010 news @ 10:00) said EK will have pretrial hearing July 30th.

jeansrme
07-11-2010, 08:19 AM
Jury trial? For DUI? Wow! I guess because it's a felony DUI - why is that?

I've heard of a jury trial on a DUI but can't recall why it went to a jury. In this day, nothing surprises me. We can just hope that EK will be found guilty and will be incarcerated! Then he will be handy for the next charge!

Prayers continue for Pat's children, grand-children and friends. What torture they have been through over the last 8 months! May the Lord continue to hold each and every one of you in his loving arms.

jeansrme
07-11-2010, 08:29 AM
I hope these links work . . . . . The video link is best. EK's attorney has quite the "attitude."

http://www.knzafm.com/stories/03259_EUGENE-KIMMI-IN-COURT-ON-DUI-CHARGE_103500.php


http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=10404

cookin
07-11-2010, 12:31 PM
I hope these links work . . . . . The video link is best. EK's attorney has quite the "attitude."

http://www.knzafm.com/stories/03259_EUGENE-KIMMI-IN-COURT-ON-DUI-CHARGE_103500.php


http://wibw.videogenesis.net/watch?v=10404

The video was good...looks like one a** hole defending another! (sorry)

jeansrme
07-11-2010, 11:23 PM
The video was good...looks like one a** hole defending another! (sorry)

No "sorry" necessary. I think you hit the nail on the head!

kai
07-12-2010, 08:30 AM
Prayers for the Kimmi family this morning...

Daisy_May
07-12-2010, 01:47 PM
Checking in. Best wishes for all of you sleuth-ers!

carbuff
07-12-2010, 01:50 PM
I've heard of a jury trial on a DUI but can't recall why it went to a jury. In this day, nothing surprises me. We can just hope that EK will be found guilty and will be incarcerated! Then he will be handy for the next charge!

Prayers continue for Pat's children, grand-children and friends. What torture they have been through over the last 8 months! May the Lord continue to hold each and every one of you in his loving arms.

In the US legal system, you're entitled to a jury trial whenever you're accused of a felony. It's one of the rights of being an American.

Fairy1
07-12-2010, 08:15 PM
In the US legal system, you're entitled to a jury trial whenever you're accused of a felony. It's one of the rights of being an American.

I think we all understand that, carbuff. It's just that you don't often see that with DUI/DWI charges. Also wondering what constitutes a "felony DUI" in the absence of an accident or injury to another.

Ah well. If our intuition is on target with EK, this will be the least of his problems!

jeansrme
07-13-2010, 09:09 AM
Prayers for accurate work by legal authorities.

Continued prayers for Pat's family and friends.

The Lord is there, we just have to open up and let him help.

Whiskey Horse
07-13-2010, 08:14 PM
I think we all understand that, carbuff. It's just that you don't often see that with DUI/DWI charges. Also wondering what constitutes a "felony DUI" in the absence of an accident or injury to another.

Ah well. If our intuition is on target with EK, this will be the least of his problems!
All we can do is hope and pray that this will just be the beginnings of his problems. By the way, carbuff, love your tag! Can I quote you? LOL.

raeann
07-13-2010, 10:11 PM
For locals and others who might be interested, there is now a missing dad from the KC area....I have started a thread for him in the Missing forum

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lenexa-missing-man-schnackenberg-071310,0,6416953.story

cookin
07-14-2010, 05:41 PM
For locals and others who might be interested, there is now a missing dad from the KC area....I have started a thread for him in the Missing forum

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lenexa-missing-man-schnackenberg-071310,0,6416953.story

Thanks raeann. That is another very sad story. His daughter is getting married this weekend? I think it is this weekend.

eyestowardHeaven
07-15-2010, 12:16 PM
Man, it's reeeeeeaaaaaallllyyyyyyyy quiet around here...

nurselady
07-15-2010, 01:11 PM
quiet before the storm..hopefully.

jeansrme
07-15-2010, 02:25 PM
Sure hope so! :Justice:

amazinggracie
07-15-2010, 06:53 PM
Quiet, but not forgotten.

RLynne
07-15-2010, 08:30 PM
Quiet, but not forgotten.

Yup. I don't know that I've ever posted on this thread, but I've been following since day one. Things seem to happen on Friday, no? I'll be checking back tomorrow (maybe I'll even take my cue from nursebeme and go get a haircut...can't hurt). My thoughts are with Pat's children, grandchildren, and friends, as always.

Fairy1
07-15-2010, 10:09 PM
Yes - FRIDAY!!! That other shoe is just dangling....

Adding my prayers for Pat's babies, grandbabies and loved ones.

bowmancabin
07-16-2010, 05:24 PM
I think we all understand that, carbuff. It's just that you don't often see that with DUI/DWI charges. Also wondering what constitutes a "felony DUI" in the absence of an accident or injury to another.

Ah well. If our intuition is on target with EK, this will be the least of his problems!

I think (in Kansas) DUI #1 & #2 are misdemeanors but DUI #3 (or more) are felony. Pretty sure there was no accident or injury involved .. don't know why it is a 'jury' trial unless it was requested?

jeansrme
07-19-2010, 07:12 AM
The hot, humid & lazy days of summer have us really quiet here.

Have a good week everyone!

Continually keeping Pat's family in my thoughts and prayers.

MindonMom
07-19-2010, 08:38 AM
There is a court date for Hollister this Wed. in Brown County.

http://www.newspressnow.com/news/2010/jul/18/hollister-appear-court-week/

jeansrme
07-20-2010, 12:01 PM
Does anyone know if the older couple that went missing last September has been found?

This is a partial post from one of the very early threads in Pat's case --

from Texas Mist 11-10-09

". . . . a report of an elderly couple that went missing from the same county, Atchison, on Sept. 11....they haven't been found yet either...."

jane d
07-20-2010, 06:10 PM
I'm in the area, and I haven't heard anything about them being located. JMO but I think there was no foul play in their disappearance. More likely it was medical issue, possibly even intentional. That is my opinion only.

eyestowardHeaven
07-21-2010, 11:55 AM
http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4632

http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=148485

jeansrme
07-21-2010, 12:24 PM
Thanks Rita.

I guess "not guilty" would be what a person would expect RoHo to say!

dkimmi
07-21-2010, 08:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4QHUX-y56k&feature=player_embedded

cookin
07-22-2010, 12:19 PM
Does anyone know if the older couple that went missing last September has been found?

This is a partial post from one of the very early threads in Pat's case --

from Texas Mist 11-10-09

". . . . a report of an elderly couple that went missing from the same county, Atchison, on Sept. 11....they haven't been found yet either...."

No, they haven't. Not even a trace. Very wierd.

nursebeeme
07-22-2010, 12:36 PM
hey everybody! just getting caught up! I am not surprised at RoHo's plea.

Any news on future arrests of the person who did the "hiring"????????

son-of-bowmancabin
07-22-2010, 02:36 PM
I noticed that one of the news reports mentioned that RoHo gained weight. He looks like a completely different person in the YouTub video above.

Fairy1
07-22-2010, 10:20 PM
I noticed that one of the news reports mentioned that RoHo gained weight. He looks like a completely different person in the YouTub video above.

He still looks mean and evil to me. I suppose being locked up doesn't agree with him. Oh well. He better get used to it!

cookin
07-23-2010, 08:47 AM
I'm in the area, and I haven't heard anything about them being located. JMO but I think there was no foul play in their disappearance. More likely it was medical issue, possibly even intentional. That is my opinion only.

I am in the area too and my community have the same opinion about the couple.

jeansrme
07-23-2010, 11:32 AM
I noticed that one of the news reports mentioned that RoHo gained weight. He looks like a completely different person in the YouTub video above.

I suppose RoHo did experience a weight gain, probably inactivity from sitting in the jail cell. I didn't miss the smirk/slight grin on his face, however. The same SMIRK he's exibited before! The only difference is he's missing the bruising from the accident (shouldn't be called an accident though when it really appears to be attempted murder). Although I'm not surprised as I stated prior, how can RoHo plead "not guilty" -- isn't a suspect under oath? :banghead:

It looked to me like Rita walked past in the background in the video. Probably other family members too, but one appeared to look like Rita. I'm so proud of Pat's family for their self-control. May the Lord continue to guide you and give you strength.

It's FRIDAY!!

amazinggracie
07-23-2010, 06:45 PM
I saw Lori, but must have missed Rita.
Thinking of all of Pat's family and friends today, and wishing for news.

jeansrme
07-24-2010, 01:33 PM
gracie,
Since I don't know the family at all, I was going on other newscasts when I thought I was seeing Rita. I am probably totaly wrong and do apoligize for even making the statement.

I echo your thoughts for Pat's family and friends AND wishing for news.

MindonMom
07-24-2010, 03:10 PM
The two in the video were Lori and my wife, Angie.

Thank you for the comment on our self-control, but I think it is more our faith in God and knowing how Mom would want us to act that is actually controlling us. I'm glad that both of those have a good hold on us.

nursebeeme
07-28-2010, 04:01 PM
bumpity bump!

Any news on the investigation (ie, the person who did the hiring)? Are they still investigating this?

Maddiesgrandma
07-28-2010, 09:20 PM
Even tho I haven't been here lately due to personal reasons, just wanted the Kimmi family to know they are still in our thoughts and prayers.

MindonMom
07-28-2010, 10:43 PM
For locals and others who might be interested, there is now a missing dad from the KC area....I have started a thread for him in the Missing forum

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lenexa-missing-man-schnackenberg-071310,0,6416953.story

Just heard about this. Some great news for a family in KC.

Found Alive KS - Lawrence E. Schnackenberg Jr. - 58 years old - Lenexa - July 8, 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

nursebeeme
07-29-2010, 12:55 PM
bumping up

Fairy1
07-29-2010, 09:22 PM
Ya know, I'm thrilled that things are moving along in the case where RoHo attempted to kill his wife. I really am.

HOWEVER, it sure would be lovely to see some movement in Pat's case. I just don't feel that everyone who should be behind bars - is behind bars. KWIM?

dreamweaver
07-29-2010, 11:36 PM
Ya know, I'm thrilled that things are moving along in the case where RoHo attempted to kill his wife. I really am.

HOWEVER, it sure would be lovely to see some movement in Pat's case. I just don't feel that everyone who should be behind bars - is behind bars. KWIM?


IMO: There certainly is someone else who should be arrested.
If not now, when?

I sometimes think, what does he do with his days and nights?
Does he think about what he did?
Does he think about his former wife?
What happened to him to make him so
seemingly unreachable to any human emotion?

I don't know.
I just know that Patricia Kimmi was murdered.

Blondie in Spokane
07-30-2010, 12:48 PM
~bump~