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Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:14 AM
The boy's parents alerted the school when he didn't show up. He usually rides the bus, authorities said, but it's unknown if he did on Friday. <snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html

He is being discussed on the scanner and I'll have that link up for everyone in a few minutes.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:15 AM
Map link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd.+Portland,+Oregon,+97231&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=39.644047,71.015625&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd,+Portland,+Multnomah,+ Oregon+97231&t=h&ll=45.607599,-122.856875&spn=0.014621,0.038581&z=15

kbl8201
06-05-2010, 12:20 AM
why is it 'unknown' whether he rode the bus?

have they interviewed the bus driver and other students?

do they know if he was at school and didnt make it home or did he never make it to school?

so little info

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:20 AM
Link to scanner thread: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Please post scanner activity that you hear in the Scanner Forum only.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 12:25 AM
http://www.kptv.com/2010/0605/23800702_640X480.jpg

http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html#

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 12:26 AM
oh boy, this sounds weird...:(
who, I wonder, doesn't know if he rode the bus? I don't have kids but I think I would know if one that age got on his bus or didn't get on his bus...

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:27 AM
A Portland Public Schools spokesman said Kyron Horman was dropped off for a science fair at the school by his step-mother at 8:45 a.m., but he never returned home Friday afternoon. <snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

crocus
06-05-2010, 12:31 AM
Did he normally ride a bus home from school? Or walk?

Not enough relevant info in the article!

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:34 AM
Now authorities say that Kyron did not attend classes all day, and though he usually rides the bus they were unsure if he rode it on Friday. One thing is for sure, he didn't get off the bus at home, if he somehow got on it.<snipped>

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:35 AM
It doesn't sound to me like he went any further than the science fair!!!!!

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:36 AM
I'm wondering why there is no Amber Alert..??

kbl8201
06-05-2010, 12:37 AM
whatever the case this isnt looking good :(

kbl8201
06-05-2010, 12:38 AM
I'm wondering why there is no Amber Alert..??

typically you need an automobiel or suspect description

crocus
06-05-2010, 12:46 AM
Now authorities say that Kyron did not attend classes all day, and though he usually rides the bus they were unsure if he rode it on Friday. One thing is for sure, he didn't get off the bus at home, if he somehow got on it.<snipped>

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

Was there any confirmation by anyone that he was actually seen at this science fair?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:47 AM
Seven-year-old Kyron Horman was attending a science fair at Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland, according to Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Kyron, who was with his mother at the fair that morning, never checked back in with his teacher afterward.<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:48 AM
Was there any confirmation by anyone that he was actually seen at this science fair?

According to the Oregonian, he was at the fair with his mother. Not sure if they mean mother or step-mother? Information is still quite sketchy right now.

I have a hard time trying to figure out why a SECOND GRADER wasn't watched more closely by SOMEONE! I would have made sure someone knew he was at the fair and checked in at the school, KWIM?

crocus
06-05-2010, 12:50 AM
Seven-year-old Kyron Horman was attending a science fair at Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland, according to Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Kyron, who was with his mother at the fair that morning, never checked back in with his teacher afterward.<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

This sounds like the stepmother is saying they were at this science fair. But, has anyone said they physically saw him?

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 12:51 AM
Attending with his mother? And then did she leave after the fair? What a mess of reporting...sorry but this is so unclear..

Amber alerts have to have a solid vehicle description...I looked up criteria last week, the whole system is based upon vehicle abductions, it is specific to that.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:52 AM
Freefallzzz, I'm not available tomorrow but if they don't find him and do a search on Sunday, I can go up.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 12:58 AM
Freefallzzz, I'm not available tomorrow but if they don't find him and do a search on Sunday, I can go up.

Let me know if something is planned tomorrow. I can probably go.

crocus
06-05-2010, 12:59 AM
Geez........this reporting.

There must be an eyewitness to actually seeing this boy at this science fair other than just the stepmother's account of him being there. I would hope before a school spokesperson would give this as fact, they made sure through witness' account that he was in fact there.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:59 AM
Well I'm wondering how many people attended this science fair, sounds like parents went.. The Rose Festival (at least the rides ) is going on in downtown Portland also...
Lot's of people out and about
News is coming on right now

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:00 AM
This is so frustrating. I wish there was something I could do. His poor parents, they must be frantic.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:02 AM
Our local FOX news isn't broadcasting tonight due to tech difficulties. :doh: I live in the sticks, I'm telling you!

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 01:06 AM
Oh no!(to Kimster)
They are on scene right now at the school, there is a command center, lots of LE and Search and Rescue and parents out helping.. They are discussing WHY the school did not call home when the boy did not show up for class.

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:07 AM
I am not assuming anyone else saw the child with his Mom until someone SAYS they saw the child and mom at the fair...The article does not really say that...and is it mom or step-mom, not that it should matter...

When did anyone last see him, outside of the family? That needs to be made clear, in order to know if he was at school and after mom left, he somehow vanished...

cutegirltoo
06-05-2010, 01:08 AM
Checking in tonight after seeing this on the news.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:09 AM
I am not assuming anyone else saw the child with his Mom until someone SAYS they saw the child and mom at the fair...The article does not really say that...and is it mom or step-mom, not that it should matter...

When did anyone last see him, outside of the family? That needs to be made clear, in order to know if he was at school and after mom left, he somehow vanished...

The news is saying something about him and the stepmother being seen at the science fair by the school staff.

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:10 AM
Oh no!(to Kimster)
They are on scene right now at the school, there is a command center, lots of LE and Search and Rescue and parents out helping.. They are discussing WHY the school did not call home when the boy did not show up for class.

That is a great question. Here where I live, if a child is not in class, and no call has been made by the parents/guardian, they are calling asap to inquire.
Usually within the hour of classes starting.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 01:11 AM
School officials said Kyron Horman was supposed to arrive home at about 3:45 p.m., and the boy's father and stepmom alerted the school when he didn't show up. The last time he was seen was Friday morning about 8:45 when Kyron's stepmom left him at the school after looking at science fair projects.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:12 AM
That is a great question. Here where I live, if a child is not in class, and no call has been made by the parents/guardian, they are calling asap to inquire.
Usually within the hour of classes starting.

That may be there policy, too, but confusion with him being at the science fair might have messed things up.

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:14 AM
The news is saying something about him and the stepmother being seen at the science fair by the school staff.

Thanks DairyGirl.

Why didn't they state this in any article?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:15 AM
Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a sheriff's spokeswoman, said the agency would have searchers out as long as needed. She requested that people stay away from the area around the school to let searchers do their work.<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:16 AM
Where was the science fair located? In the gym? In the same building?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:16 AM
Freefallzzz is watching the news and they said two canines are also on the scene.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 01:16 AM
http://media.kgw.com/images/missing+kid+scene+2.jpg


http://media.kgw.com/images/missing+kid+scene+1.jpg


http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=1

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:17 AM
I'm listening again, I just head the newscaster say this is the first time she is hearing that he was with his stepmother at the science fair. The last time the school staff saw him was with his stepmother, they did not see him at class, maybe they thought she took him home?

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:18 AM
I'm a little confused about this science fair. I've attended several, and they have always been after school hours, in the early evening so that all parents can attend.

:waitasec:

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:19 AM
This is making me sick to my stomach! :( It doesn't sound good to me at all.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:21 AM
News just said last time seen at 8:45am walking into his classroom.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:22 AM
They need to talk to other students and see if they remember talking to him and when he was last seen.

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:22 AM
This is making me sick to my stomach! :( It doesn't sound good to me at all.

I don't like what I'm feeling right now........at all.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:22 AM
News just said last time seen at 8:45am walking into his classroom.

If he was walking into the classroom, then why didn't the teacher know he was missing? :banghead: WHO saw him walking in?

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 01:23 AM
He's so adorable - and only 7yo! For some reason I'm feeling frantic for this little one. Did mom leave him at the science fair? Or did she take him to class - and is there still school this time of year in Oregon? Hoping the child is found safe and SOON!

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:24 AM
News just said last time seen at 8:45am walking into his classroom.

If he was walking into his classroom, then there has to be eyewitness accounts of him. WHO is saying they saw him walking into his classroom?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:24 AM
He's so adorable - and only 7yo! For some reason I'm feeling frantic for this little one. Did mom leave him at the science fair? Or did she take him to class - and is there still school this time of year in Oregon? Hoping the child is found safe and SOON!

Yes, we still have school. The schools end from the first week of June to the middle of June.

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:28 AM
A Portland Public Schools spokesman said Kyron Horman was dropped off for a science fair at the school by his step-mother at 8:45 a.m., but he never returned home Friday afternoon. <snipped>

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

So which is it? Seen walking into his classroom at 8:45 or dropped off for the science fair at 8:45??

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 01:28 AM
He's so adorable - and only 7yo! For some reason I'm feeling frantic for this little one. Did mom leave him at the science fair? Or did she take him to class - and is there still school this time of year in Oregon? Hoping the child is found safe and SOON!

According to their school page school is in till June 15 and there was a talent show to-day at 1 pm. Nothing on their calendar about a science fair.

http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/skylinek8.org/embed?src=calendar%40skylinek8.org

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:28 AM
What an absolute mess of reporting...I have not heard for sure that anyone saw him, it is all "he said, she said"...who saw him, besides Mom? And where? And if he walked into a classroom, then he would be in class, right? Or did he leave with Mom? Don't schools have cameras these days?

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:33 AM
This is maddening.

It's been reported he was dropped off at the science fair at 8:45, was with his stepmother at the science fair, was seen walking into his classroom at 8:45..................

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:34 AM
Last seen wearing a black t shirt with a CSI logo on it. Step mother brought him to the science fair, said good bye to him as he walked into his classroom but detectives are saying now that he never made it into the class. Very strange.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:35 AM
The boy lives with his father and stepmother. Lindstrand said his mother, who lives out of the area, was on her way here.<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 01:36 AM
According to their school page school is in till June 15 and there was a talent show to-day at 1 pm. Nothing on their calendar about a science fair.

http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/skylinek8.org/embed?src=calendar%40skylinek8.org

NOTHING about a science fair on the calendar? WTH!!! Yet, a talent show at 1pm today. Have all the reporters and journalists gone on strike? moo

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:36 AM
This is as bad as the reporting as the poor woman and the train in the other thread...

Who saw him in the CSI shirt? Did they say?

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:36 AM
WHO beside the stepmother laid eyes on this child at this school that morning??

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:38 AM
The boy lives with his father and stepmother. Lindstrand said his mother, who lives out of the area, was on her way here.<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

I wonder if it could be some sort of custody dispute...I hope it is..

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:39 AM
Now a witness (a mother and a sixth grader at the school) said that she saw the mother talking to the principle saying that she hadn't seen him? Very confusing. I played it back twice. Maybe the news guy misspoke.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:41 AM
Now a witness (a mother and a sixth grader at the school) said that she saw the mother talking to the principle saying that she hadn't seen him? Very confusing. I played it back twice. Maybe the news guy misspoke.

Do you have a link? Or did you DVR that?

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:44 AM
FGS - I live clear on the other side of the country from where this is happening, and I am gobsmacked at how it's being reported.

:banghead:

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:44 AM
I.B. Inquiry Expo June 4 is on the marquee in the picture outside of the school. Could that be the science fair?

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:45 AM
Do you have a link? Or did you DVR that?

I DVR'd it and played it back twice and my daughter heard it. Made no sense to me. It said that the mother of a sixth grader saw who she thought was his mother talking to the principle at the fair (I assume) saying that she didn't see the boy. Bad reporting is my guess.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 01:46 AM
http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html

Comments (in the above link) show that people are already starting to point fingers. Let's find Kyron first, please!

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:47 AM
Could his real mom have taken him, if she was coming to the school?

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 01:50 AM
Could his real mom have taken him, if she was coming to the school?

I took it to mean she was on her way because he was missing.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 01:50 AM
Searchers from other counties are now at command center ..

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 01:52 AM
This child wasn't seen in any classes today meaning he has been missing since this AM? TIA

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 01:52 AM
This is not going to end well.

Step-mom drops him off at class and yet teacher marks him absent as he never shows up to class.


Did anyone else see this child at the school? Or the step mom?


Praying for the best.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:56 AM
This is not going to end well.

Step-mom drops him off at class and yet teacher marks him absent as he never shows up to class.


Did anyone else see this child at the school? Or the step mom?


Praying for the best.

According to the news report on KPTV a sixth grader and her mom reported seeing him at the science fair with his step mom. Reports have been confusing so far today so don't know how correct it is. I would think if parents receieved automated phone calls regarding this that people who may have seen him today (including students) would call in and say if he was seen.

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 01:56 AM
This child wasn't seen in any classes today meaning he has been missing since this AM? TIA

Now authorities say that Kyron did not attend classes all day, and though he usually rides the bus they were unsure if he rode it on Friday. One thing is for sure, he didn't get off the bus at home, if he somehow got on it.


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:57 AM
News just said FBI is involved in search now.

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 01:58 AM
This just keeps getting worse, reporting-wise. I am not sure he ever went to school at all, personally...JMO

crocus
06-05-2010, 01:59 AM
I hope LE is checking stepmom's cell phone activity/pings.

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:00 AM
This just keeps getting worse, reporting-wise. I am not sure he ever went to school at all, personally...JMO

Bingo.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 02:02 AM
Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said Kyron Horman was at school Friday

http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 02:02 AM
I'm not positive sightings at school were confirmed...it has been too contradictory...

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:04 AM
Start from the beginning -
Kyron and step-mom were at the science fair this am, seen by a couple people, last seen around 8:30am.
Kyron was not seen in any classes during the day

Dad and step-mom called school to say Kyron failed to come home by bus only to be told their child was not in classes all day. omg

Seen by a couple of people? I haven't seen that stated in any article??

So, there was a witness who actually saw them there?

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:05 AM
Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said Kyron Horman was at school Friday

http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

Was he at school all day though?

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:06 AM
Seen by a couple of people? I haven't seen that stated in any article??

So, there was a witness who actually saw them there?

I heard there was a sixth grader and her mother reporting they saw him and his step mother on KPTV. I wouldn't say this has been confirmed though.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 02:09 AM
He was last seen about 9 a.m.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

authorities say that Kyron did not attend classes all day,

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 02:09 AM
Portland police handed the case over to the sheriff's office, said Detective Mary Wheat, a police spokeswoman. The school, at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., is in Multnomah County.

Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a sheriff's spokeswoman, said the agency would have searchers out as long as needed.

At 9:45 p.m., Lindstrand said she had more than 20 people, including detectives and two K-9 units, looking for Kyron in a broad area around the school. She requested that people stay away from the area to let searchers do their work.

Portland and Gresham police were assisting with the search, and the FBI was called, Lindstrand said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_looking_for_missing_por.html

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 02:10 AM
Even the school official is saying he was at school, not saying he saw him or he was seen at school...there is a difference...I'm just hoping this is all bad reporting and he was seen there and he wandered away from school and they are close to finding him-what is the temperature there, anyone know?

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 02:10 AM
Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said Kyron Horman was at school Friday

http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

Guess it's kind of hard to get the facts when the children are so young and parents are probably home and haven't heard of a child gone missing. moo

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 02:11 AM
The school told them Kyron was not in class. His teacher never saw him in class.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Teacher-never-saw-missing-2nd-Grade-in-class/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 02:14 AM
If anyone has any information to the whereabouts of Horman they are urged to call the nonemergency dispatch number: 503-823-3333.

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:15 AM
Even the school official is saying he was at school, not saying he saw him or he was seen at school...there is a difference...I'm just hoping this is all bad reporting and he was seen there and he wandered away from school and they are close to finding him-what is the temperature there, anyone know?


Right. I hope that this person is not relying only on the stepmother's account but that this statement is backed up with witness' actually laying eyes on them.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 02:18 AM
Just showed a picture of him from THIS MORNING taken at the science fair...on the local news

Kimster
06-05-2010, 02:19 AM
I am SO GLAD they have a pic of him at the school! At least we can put his parents down the list right off the bat!

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:20 AM
Even the school official is saying he was at school, not saying he saw him or he was seen at school...there is a difference...I'm just hoping this is all bad reporting and he was seen there and he wandered away from school and they are close to finding him-what is the temperature there, anyone know?

It's currently about 55f right now, low is about 48f. Not too terrible.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:23 AM
I am SO GLAD they have a pic of him at the school! At least we can put his parents down the list right off the bat!

Not really. We don't know if he left with his step mother.

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 02:23 AM
Seen by a couple of people? I haven't seen that stated in any article??

So, there was a witness who actually saw them there?

I deleted that post because the simple facts are unknown, at least for now. You may want to delete my post that you are responding to. Sorry!

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 02:23 AM
Even the school official is saying he was at school, not saying he saw him or he was seen at school...there is a difference...I'm just hoping this is all bad reporting and he was seen there and he wandered away from school and they are close to finding him-what is the temperature there, anyone know?


Tonight
chance Of Showers
Lo: 45°
Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening. Lows around 45. Light wind.
Saturday
Mostly Cloudy
Hi: 73°
Mostly cloudy in the morning...Then partly sunny. Highs 70 to 75. Light wind.
Saturday Night
Rain
Lo: 55°
Mostly cloudy. Rain likely overnight. Lows around 55. Light wind.

http://www.weatherforyou.com/weather/oregon/portland.html

KaylynnCouture
06-05-2010, 02:25 AM
Praying for little Kyron to return home safely!

Kimster
06-05-2010, 02:26 AM
Not really. We don't know if he left with his step mother.

Still, at least we can hope! Let's pray he is just LOST for some reason this time! :praying:

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:26 AM
Just showed a picture of him from THIS MORNING taken at the science fair...on the local news


Oh Thank God for something factual.

Now where was this science fair in relation to where his classroom is located?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 02:27 AM
The weather is quite nice. We've been having a lot of rain, but it is supposed to stay dry tonight and tomorrow and rain again on Sunday.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 02:30 AM
Oh Thank God for something factual.

Now where was this science fair in relation to where his classroom is located?

This is a link to the top view of the school.. It's up on a hill from the road, so
if you were walking on the road you would look up at the school...

Skyline Road is a very well traveled road, a lot of locals get to Portland that way.. I cannot imagine someone did not see him if he was walking down that road...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=11536+skyline&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd,+Portland,+Multnomah,+ Oregon+97231&gl=us&ei=rNgJTP3wCo_4Ma7Z1LUE&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA&ll=45.607613,-122.856846&spn=0.002143,0.004334&t=h&z=18

Kimster
06-05-2010, 02:34 AM
Twitter news: http://twitter.com/KOIN_Local_6

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:34 AM
What are some of the possible scenerios? He could have wandered off but that isn't likely. I don't think the school would just let a child walk off the campus without seeing him or stopping him but that is possible. He could have gone to the science fair and then left with the step mother right afterwards for some reason. Someone could have taken him (other then the step mother) from the school but that doesn't seem likely. I just don't know what else could have happened.

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:39 AM
Has it been verified that he was with his stepmother at the science fair? Seems to be conflicting reports that she dropped him off there, but also that she was with him at the science fair?

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 02:39 AM
Someone at the science fair could have grabbed Kyron
Is there any ongoing construction at the school?
Who was setting up for the 1:00p talent show?
Step-mom has to be cleared

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 02:40 AM
What are some of the possible scenerios? He could have wandered off but that isn't likely. I don't think the school would just let a child walk off the campus without seeing him or stopping him but that is possible. He could have gone to the science fair and then left with the step mother right afterwards for some reason. Someone could have taken him (other then the step mother) from the school but that doesn't seem likely. I just don't know what else could have happened.

I don't see him walking down to the road.. I personally would never walk down
that road..
I am thinking he could have wandered off out behind the school or.. he was taken away in a vehicle?? Just thinking out loud and praying he is found safe..

crocus
06-05-2010, 02:43 AM
I guess I don't understand how this child was not missed until the parents reported he didn't make it home from school?

What the heck is the school's policy on a student not being in class and no call from a parent has been made for their absence?

kbl8201
06-05-2010, 02:43 AM
http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html

Comments (in the above link) show that people are already starting to point fingers. Let's find Kyron first, please!

very easy to point fingers when the media has everything messed up and backwards.

i usually get a feel for what is going on but my gut tells me nothing cause the reporting is awful.

crocus
06-05-2010, 03:00 AM
PPS sent an automated phone message to parents of students at Skyline Elementary, but parents of students at other schools across the district have also reported getting the message. PPS Spokesman Matt Shelby said the message was only intended to go to Skyline parents, but he said it's good that more people may be aware of the missing child.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

BBM Ya think?

crocus
06-05-2010, 03:13 AM
I guess I don't understand how this child was not missed until the parents reported he didn't make it home from school?

What the heck is the school's policy on a student not being in class and no call from a parent has been made for their absence?


Hate to quote my own post.......but, if the school policy is like it is here, a call is made to the home to inquire why the child is not in class. If there is no answer, than it would be logged/recorded at the school that a call was made but no answer/reply was the result.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 03:14 AM
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/1kyron.jpg


Picture from TV .. This is the picture of Kyron this morning at the Science Fair.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 03:15 AM
Hate to quote my own post.......but, if the school policy is like it is here, a call is made to the home to inquire why the child is not in class. If there is no answer, than it would be logged/recorded at the school that a call was made but no answer/reply was the result.

They did ask authorities about that tonight on the news, but a clear answer was never given..

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-05-2010, 03:17 AM
Late Friday night the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman was upgraded to a major crimes team investigation which brings in the FBI. Officials said the search was upgraded because the FBI has more resources.

AND

Shelby said Horman’s parents weren’t notified when he was marked absent because Skyline doesn’t have an auto-dialer which calls parents to report the student is absent. Shelby said the school doesn’t have such a system because it doesn’t have problems with attendance.

http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

BBM

crocus
06-05-2010, 03:40 AM
Late Friday night the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman was upgraded to a major crimes team investigation which brings in the FBI. Officials said the search was upgraded because the FBI has more resources.

AND

Shelby said Horman’s parents weren’t notified when he was marked absent because Skyline doesn’t have an auto-dialer which calls parents to report the student is absent. Shelby said the school doesn’t have such a system because it doesn’t have problems with attendance.

http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

BBM

Auto dialer? Wow.

One wouldn't expect any elementary school to have a problem with attendance like say, in a high school where students are older and have access to vehicles, etc.

I live in a small town (pop. 7,000) and there is a protocol in place here for a call home by the school office for students whose absence in class has not been called in by a parent/guardian. This call is made within the first hour of start of classes.

Their policy LACKS, obviously.

yosande
06-05-2010, 03:59 AM
WHO beside the stepmother laid eyes on this child at this school that morning??

I was watching a local tv news report which said a teacher saw him at the science fair with his stepmother.
So the school thought he had left with the stepmother, since he was no longer at school, and the stepmother watched him walk to the classroom before she left.

This appears to be in conflict, but news is often incorrect at the onset of a case.

My thoughts were that I was hoping someone was looking into who all was at the science fair, since people other than teachers, and students were there, ie, the stepmother. Other parents must have been there as well if the info is correct.

My prayres are with him tonight, and with the family, and with LE.
It's been raining for weeks here. This afternoon was the first sight of blue sky for about ten days. More rain is expected for the weekend.
But since he was last seen in the morning, sunshine is not likely to be the reason he wasn't where he was suppose to be.

moo

Wrinkles
06-05-2010, 04:08 AM
Edited, impertinent after doing some research

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 04:20 AM
I would guess that if he left with someone other then his stepmother then someone would have seen it but this school doesn't really seem to be on top of things. No notification when a child misses school? I'm glad my child didn't go there. As I recall, my childrens school always called me, I know they did in middle school and high school but I seem to remember elementary school calling, too.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 04:26 AM
I found the parents Facebooks. Since they haven't been named yet I don't know if I can post it.

Jaxson
06-05-2010, 04:27 AM
The schools where I am have a time in the evening when parents can attend but for parents who don't work during the day they are welcome to come anytime. The kids generally are taken to school if their project is too much to handle on the bus and sometimes they need help setting them up.

Wrinkles
06-05-2010, 04:33 AM
Hi Dairy Girl,

Can you post the facebook to my private messages? I am up looking at this.

yosande
06-05-2010, 04:39 AM
Even the school official is saying he was at school, not saying he saw him or he was seen at school...there is a difference...I'm just hoping this is all bad reporting and he was seen there and he wandered away from school and they are close to finding him-what is the temperature there, anyone know?

Right now it's 52 degrees.

Since class didn't start until ten, and the stepmother left him at 8:45 heading to his classroom, and he wasn't in class, something happened between 8:45 and 10:00 am.

Since the stepmother was walking from class to class with him, the science fair was occurring in many classrooms, and people other than students, and teachers were in the school.

Usually schools doors are locked, once school starts, all except the front door, and anyone who enters a school who isn't suppose to be there, must sign in at the office. They are locked from the outside only though, so you can exit, but you can't enter once the doors are locked.

That was protocol in my area of Oregon years ago.

The science fair may have been an opportunity for someone outside the school community, ie, parents, teachers, and students, to enter the school without being questioned.

I do hope they have thoroughly searched the school building.
I also wonder if the projects were taken home by parents before class started, thus it wouldn't have been noticable to see a child helping an adult carry a project to a car as the fair was ending.

Just wondering, does anyone know what happens at morning science fairs?
Do people have to sign in as they enter the building?
Do people take the projects home before class starts?
tia.

So far, no one has reported seeing him leave the school.

Chili Fries
06-05-2010, 04:40 AM
There are a lot of wooded areas around the school he could have got lost in:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4671375040_c311f67357_b.jpg

Wrinkles
06-05-2010, 04:40 AM
http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html

>>As of 10 p.m., there was no indication of foul play in Horman’s disappearance.<<

Chili Fries
06-05-2010, 04:44 AM
No sex offenders show up in a 1 mile radius of the school.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 04:55 AM
I have to say that after poor little Ethan I am become even more jaded about these things, especially when you throw a step parent into the equation but looking at step mom's Facebook there is absulutely nothing that sets me off. She seems older and mature and has lots of family and support. Now I am thinking that someone from the science fair or maybe even someone that works at the school took him. I don't believe he wandered off but I suppose that is a possibility. I hope they check out that school thoroughly though.

yosande
06-05-2010, 05:28 AM
There are only 275 students in this school, with a 12 students per teacher ratio.
It's a k-8 school.


http://www.trulia.com/schools/OR-Portland/Skyline_Elementary_School/

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 05:33 AM
There are only 275 students in this school, with a 12 students per teacher ratio.
It's a k-8 school.


http://www.trulia.com/schools/OR-Portland/Skyline_Elementary_School/

You would think they would be able to contact parents when their kids are absent. The school my daughter went to had the secretary call the parents if they hadn't heard from them. You don't need an autodialer for that few of children.

Wrinkles
06-05-2010, 05:40 AM
Hopefully the police have learned far more than we have...

New teachers, aides, cafeteria workers or custodians etc. at school? Are all accounted for? Have all been contacted?
Teachers see anyone they didn't recognize at Science Fair?
Is Kyron learning disabled in anyway or does he have any physical/mental issue that would cause him to go into a daze and wander off?

Was there a custody battle about to hit and someone was enlisted to pick up Kyron?
Where does the birth mother live? What is her situation?

I would far rather this was a custody thing, I can't stand the thought of the little one hurt or with someone who would hurt him.

I agree, has every closet and cubbyhole in that school been checked.
Dumpster (oh gads)

Please God be with Kyron and bring him home safely.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 06:00 AM
I don't know why but I just think he is still in the school. I hope I am wrong and this is just a little misunderstanding about someone picking him up and taking him home to spend the night with a friend.

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 08:10 AM
Anyone know if this childs' belongings were found in his classroom or not? Bookbag, lunch, jacket, etc?
I hope they worked the K9's from his classroom.

angelmom
06-05-2010, 08:38 AM
I can't judge this school too quickly. All three of my kids' schools have a policy of calling the parents when a child isn't there and all three have had an incident where I wasn't called.

1) high school - my son had been very sick for a few days, I had called the first 3 days and on the third mentioned that we were going to the doctor. On the 4th day we slept and I forgot, but no one called me b/c I had been speaking with the attendance secretary every day and she just figured he was still sick.

2) middle school - similar to this situation. End of school, crazy day with parents in and out, exams over and it was just the fun stuff like the talent show, etc. LOTS of middle schoolers not attending these days. He wasn't there and they didn't call b/c it was about half the middle school they would have had to call.

3) elementary - they normally call but my DD was sick and I forgot to call - same day they took a child by ambulance from the school. The nurse was dealing with that and never got around to her calls to the parents.

I can see how at the end of the year the routines are not as, well, routine. Yes, someone could take advantage of that, but it would have to be someone who knew the situation. In that case it is probably an "inside job" and a person who would also have many other opportunities just b/c of their knowledge of the school.

Let's find this baby and figure out what happened before we put the step-mom or the school nurse in jail!

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 08:40 AM
Hard to believe 12 children to a teacher and noone can confirm he was in class.

Any construction projects at the school?
Who dismantles the science projects?

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 08:50 AM
better picture of his science project.. looks like they set them up in the classroom..


The sun is just rising here, I'm praying he is found safe and warm!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/science30862_1489639882012_12644146.jpg

(same picture that is on news chan 8 except they cropped it)

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 09:02 AM
Me too. What a cute little guy. I'm hoping he ran out to find a real life frog and got lost, but am not liking how long he's been missing.
Does anyone have any links to a conflict of any sort that occurred that morning (with other students, teacher, etc) that he may have encountered that upset him?

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 09:05 AM
Local news just came on, showing people searching... High grass, areas with blackberry growth, and wooded areas need searched. Kyron is wearing the t-shirt in picture, cargo pants and tennis shoes.

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Local news just came on, showing people searching... High grass, areas with blackberry growth, and wooded areas need searched. Kyron is wearing the t-shirt in picture, cargo pants and tennis shoes.

Seems likely then that he left his jacket, backpack, etc behind and went outside after leaving his stepmom, but before class began. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Glad to hear search teams are in high gear. Think like a 7 yr old, guys!

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 09:31 AM
What an industrious little guy - his science project is awesome! I bet he was proud of himself.

Were the science projects dismantled? Did mom take his project home?

dreamweaver
06-05-2010, 09:48 AM
I think that the science fair was ongoing in each classroom?
Kyron seems like he likes science. Going from his picture of his smiling, happy face in front of his science project.

I think the time period he went missing is from 8:30am to 10:00am?
Maybe he went to other classrooms to look at other science fair exhibits.
I hope LE is talking to his classmates and other children.
Did he go out to play on the playground?
Are there 'forbidden' areas near the playground?
(I say this because my 7 yr old granddaughter likes to talk about the fact that they are not allowed near the 'swampy' area.) It just makes it more enticing to them.)

Who is his best friend? Who sits next to him at school?
What has his conversation been about?

Hoping Kyron is found soon!

Kimberlyd125
06-05-2010, 09:51 AM
Good morning y'all. I just read through and caught up on this case.

This is an odd one huh?

I can also see how the school would be overwhelmed with a day like yesterday. IMO anytime there are special programs or things parents can attend, you have a lot of parents that take the children home after the event. It's very hard for the school to keep up with it if the parents don't use the sign out sheet.

I just can't imagine where he could be. I noticed a few mentions on the thread that the mom lives out of the area and a few are thinking this may in fact be a custody thing. Has anybody found any info on the mom? I'm not blameing her but it would be great to find out she knew about the program and thought it would be a great oppurtunity to pick him up from the school without really being noticed. But then I see the report that says she is on her way to the area. Does anybody know how far away she lives?

I am praying this child is found safe soon.

Reality Orlando
06-05-2010, 09:57 AM
Let's hope he's just a nature kid like Nadia and went exploring before class, got confused and lost like she did. Maybe he wanted to add something else to his project and wandered into the treed area trying to find it. Looks like a heavily wooded area and look how long it took to find Nadia. I want to push some positive energy out there that he will turn up today with nothing more than some bug bites.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 09:59 AM
I looked at the step mom's FaceBook page, I think I know who the mother is but I'm guessing she lives at least an hour or more away? You can tag people in photos, and on the pictures the step mom posted on her FB yesterday of Kyron at the science fair she tagged
someone, I assume his mother.

You can also look at the step moms Linkedin profile and her FB posts, and pictures even from around Christmas when she went in and taught Kyron's class how to make ornaments. She appears very involved with him.

It is very puzzling to even know how to feel other than I just hope he is found soon and safe!

Kimberlyd125
06-05-2010, 10:11 AM
Let's hope he's just a nature kid like Nadia and went exploring before class, got confused and lost like she did. Maybe he wanted to add something else to his project and wandered into the treed area trying to find it. Looks like a heavily wooded area and look how long it took to find Nadia. I want to push some positive energy out there that he will turn up today with nothing more than some bug bites.

When I first read this thread, my first thought was Nadia.

dreamweaver
06-05-2010, 10:13 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

comment section: poster kittysaunt:
This states
that she is good friends with missing boy. Says he has an older brother and a baby sister. She also says the children in class pointed out that Kyron was missing and the teacher never called the parents.

Kimberlyd125
06-05-2010, 10:23 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/95669809.html

comment section: poster kittysaunt:
This states
that she is good friends with missing boy. Says he has an older brother and a baby sister. She also says the children in class pointed out that Kyron was missing and the teacher never called the parents.

From that comment, I noticed the poster said Kyron had a lot of support at home and was well taken care of.

If that is his project he is standing in front of in that picture, I can tell you, someone in that home helped him out a great deal with it. Someone in that home put in a lot of time with him working on it. That tells me he is loved very much by his dad and step mom. Not to mention how happy he looks in that picture.

I'm leaning more to the theory that his stepmom brought him, walked around with him, he went to class and then something happened.

I don't want to blame the school, but IMO something happened in that school or he was allowed to walk out of that school alone or with someone who did not have the right to have him.

Like I said in an earlier post, I can see how the school would be overwhelmed on a day like yesterday, but who took him out of that school? Does the school have cameras?

I hope we hear more soon. I hope we hear he has been found safe.

TobyWong*
06-05-2010, 11:05 AM
Thanks to all the local for keeping us updated!! I just sit here and shake my head over and over.. a human does not just disappear into thin air. But why does it happen every single day?? I'm a mom to boys, these cases kill me. I have the hardest time trusting other people to look out for my kids well being as much as i do. Every day my son is at school I pray that he can guide himself and keep himself safe. The adults at schools all have to much on their plate on a normal day much less when there is extra activity going on. Where has this boy gone?

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 11:22 AM
I just caught up reading. I was hoping he would have been found.

Chili Fries
06-05-2010, 11:27 AM
Just saw an update on the KATU twitter. The sheriff is bringing in more agencies to help search and a National Guard helicopter also joined the search this morning.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 11:28 AM
Per Multnomah County Sheriff on live news, last night they searched on foot, canine,and they had an air search with the infrared heat camera/sensor.

Shortly the Air National Guard helicopter should be arriving to do an air search.

They have several different surrounding Counties search teams present, State, FBI, and other local search teams and canines searching as well.

Kimberlyd125
06-05-2010, 11:29 AM
Great news Chili.
The more the better.

I hope they give all they've got to find this precious little boy.

I just hate the fact if was hours between the time he went missing and the time it was noticed and reported. That's a real disadvantage to searchers.

Wrinkles
06-05-2010, 11:39 AM
Hmmm...

Anyone good at understanding glasses?

Kyron's glasses look fairly strong. Would these be for looking in the distance? Closeup? How far might he be able to see well without those glasses -- say if they were taken away from him or he dropped and broke them?

Are people looking for those glasses?

Also, I am curious... in one news report, it was mentioned that Kyron was wearing a "CSI" t-shirt, in another it says a "science themed" t-shirt. Why would they not say CSI? That would certainly stand out if someone saw that shirt on a child. I think that they might also mention the neon kinda colors on the front of that black t-shirt.

Is anyone knowledgeable about whether there would be lists of what would be heard in court when? Is it possible that there was a custody hearing coming up soon, or was one recently held?

Might a grandparent have gone to see Kyron's science project and taken him home?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 11:55 AM
I've been watching NW News while getting ready to leave this morning and they haven't shown this case in over 30 minutes!!! :banghead:

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 11:58 AM
I've been watching NW News while getting ready to leave this morning and they haven't shown this case in over 30 minutes!!! :banghead:


There are no new updates this morning either via any of the websites.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:00 PM
NW News Top of the Hour:

Sun and warmer temps today. (Good news!)
(He needs to be found - rains are coming back tomorrow!!!)

Desperate search - coming up!!!! How we can help, they said.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:03 PM
Rivers are overflowing, BTW. They are deeper and faster than they should be. Are there any waterways around Skyline?

Showing pic of Kyron. Last seen 8:45AM am. Step-mom called school at 3:45PM. Authorities can't confirm he was at school. Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid of the police.

End of story.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:08 PM
Here is a map of the area, there is a creek which I'm sure is high, and rail road
tracks and a long rail road tunnel, (I think it's about 4000 feet or so) I do remember hearing them talk about searching that area so I'm sure they have.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/map.jpg

pdxmama
06-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Another local here, I live about 15 minutes from the school. This school is in a fairly affluent area of the city, up in the NW hills. My first thought when I heard the name of the school was Forest Park. Forest Park is a 5000 acre forested area just east of where this school is located. You can see from the photos on its website that it is more forest than park. Whether he went there on his own (may have been there on a field trip or with his family since they likely live in the neighborhood) or not, I couldn't guess.

http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=127&action=ViewPark

Hope this sweet boy is safe at home soon.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:17 PM
Another local here, I live about 15 minutes from the school. This school is in a fairly affluent area of the city, up in the NW hills. My first thought when I heard the name of the school was Forest Park. Forest Park is a 5000 acre forested area just east of where this school is located. You can see from the photos on its website that it is more forest than park. Whether he went there on his own (may have been there on a field trip or with his family since they likely live in the neighborhood) or not, I couldn't guess.

http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=127&action=ViewPark

Hope this sweet boy is safe at home soon.

Hello pdxmama..

My DBF told me about the tunnel, so last night I looked it up.. I've lived in this area for over 20 years and didn't know about it!

Have you ever been there? I know they talked about searching the tunnel last night but I was a bit curious about it as they said something about local kids liking to play there.

Very good idea about the Park! I hope they are also searching there!

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 12:20 PM
I don't think that Kyron's parents (including his stepmom) had anything to do with him going missing. She seems to indulge him and love him very much. Just look at that science fair project!

Also, she has as many photos of him on her FB as she does of his little sister (her natural daughter).

I am leaning toward stranger abduction. Schools open their doors to visitors during science fairs. Any perv could have visited, and walked right out with Kyron.

VERY SAD CASE and my greatest fear when my son was little.

pdxmama
06-05-2010, 12:24 PM
I'm not sure I know where the tunnel is. We were thinking about going for a hike today in the park, maybe I'll drive around a little bit, staying clear of searchers of course. Could you give me a location of the tunnel?

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:26 PM
I'm not sure I know where the tunnel is. We were thinking about going for a hike today in the park, maybe I'll drive around a little bit, staying clear of searchers of course. Could you give me a location of the tunnel?

She made a map of it one page back.

Calliope
06-05-2010, 12:27 PM
I don't think that Kyron's parents (including his stepmom) had anything to do with him going missing. She seems to indulge him and love him very much. Just look at that science fair project!

Also, she has as many photos of him on her FB as she does of his little sister (her natural daughter).

I am leaning toward stranger abduction. Schools open their doors to visitors during science fairs. Any perv could have visited, and walked right out with Kyron.

VERY SAD CASE and my greatest fear when my son was little.



His stepmother took Horman to a science fair at the school Friday morning. They walked through a number of classrooms and his stepmother left at 8:45.

According to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent.

If adults and kids were walking in and out of classrooms that morning...

:(

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm not sure I know where the tunnel is. We were thinking about going for a hike today in the park, maybe I'll drive around a little bit, staying clear of searchers of course. Could you give me a location of the tunnel?

The map is post #150,
Here is info from a website I found..

snip
If you are in Portland, Oregon you can get an excellent picture of a RR tunnel opening if you go to NW Rock Creek Road and Cornelius Pass Road. Set your camera where the road comes together and in front of you about 50 feet up the track is a tunnel that will let you take an excellent picture. This is the best shot in Oregon of a tunnel opening.

It is their 4,000 foot Cornelius Pass tunnel. This tunnel has access roads at both ends. This is called the Cornelius Pass tunnel. Most of the people think that no train goes on this line. They have from one to two trains a day and you have to be carefull and NOT go into them or stand on the tracks.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-05-2010, 12:32 PM
Was hoping for good new on Kyron this morning. Instead...no news. I hope they find him safe and quickly this morning.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 12:33 PM
If adults and kids were walking in and out of classrooms that morning...

:(

I have 3 children, so I've been to many of those little science fairs. (and helped
make the displays) =) His is very good!

I remember people wandering around freely from room to room in the school, and there was never anyone monitoring the front door.. In fact at any kind of event I have gone to at the kids schools (even Elementary) strangers could be milling around and someone may think it's someone's parent..

pdxmama
06-05-2010, 12:34 PM
The map is post #150,
Here is info from a website I found..

snip
If you are in Portland, Oregon you can get an excellent picture of a RR tunnel opening if you go to NW Rock Creek Road and Cornelius Pass Road. Set your camera where the road comes together and in front of you about 50 feet up the track is a tunnel that will let you take an excellent picture. This is the best shot in Oregon of a tunnel opening.

It is their 4,000 foot Cornelius Pass tunnel. This tunnel has access roads at both ends. This is called the Cornelius Pass tunnel. Most of the people think that no train goes on this line. They have from one to two trains a day and you have to be carefull and NOT go into them or stand on the tracks.

Thanks! I am heading out in a bit, will see what I can do. At the very least I can probably get some good photos.

Hoping for a happy ending soon.

Calliope
06-05-2010, 12:46 PM
I have 3 children, so I've been to many of those little science fairs. (and helped
make the displays) =) His is very good!

I remember people wandering around freely from room to room in the school, and there was never anyone monitoring the front door.. In fact at any kind of event I have gone to at the kids schools (even Elementary) strangers could be milling around and someone may think it's someone's parent..

That's my fear :(

I would imagine at fairs like this, you'd have grandparents, other extended family, even friends coming in to see the kids' work. Going in and out of classrooms. There's no way the school could monitor everyone milling about like that.

gypsy gal
06-05-2010, 12:47 PM
So sad. I will be watching out for him down here in Southern Oregon, praying that he is found alive.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:48 PM
That's my fear :(

I would imagine at fairs like this, you'd have grandparents, other extended family, even friends coming in to see the kids' work. Going in and out of classrooms. There's no way the school could monitor everyone milling about like that.

At all of the schools in our district you MUST sign in at the front desk and wear a Visitor's Tag. NO matter WHAT!

AutomaticAuttie
06-05-2010, 12:50 PM
http://salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php


Hmmmm.......read the comment that was left.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 12:51 PM
At all of the schools in our district you MUST sign in at the front desk and wear a Visitor's Tag. NO matter WHAT!

Exactly, something tells me there was a lax in security somehow.

Calliope
06-05-2010, 12:51 PM
At all of the schools in our district you MUST sign in at the front desk and wear a Visitor's Tag. NO matter WHAT!

Is this school in your district? But that wouldn't stop someone intent on taking a child, IMO.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 12:52 PM
http://salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php


Hmmmm.......read the comment that was left.

Thanks, just read it. Interesting.

Kimster
06-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Is this school in your district? But that wouldn't stop someone intent on taking a child, IMO.

No, I'm not in that district as I live closer to Eugene than Portland. However, it would be a deterrent to a pedophile thinking it was easy to snag a child right out of the school. IDK what their security measures are or if they have any.

Calliope
06-05-2010, 01:00 PM
No, I'm not in that district as I live closer to Eugene than Portland. However, it would be a deterrent to a pedophile thinking it was easy to snag a child right out of the school. IDK what their security measures are or if they have any.

IMO, another adult attending this fair took this child.

Does this school have a yearbook? Or school paper? Was anyone taking photos of the fair for a school publication or for their website? Have they asked all parents who attended to turn over any photos they took at the event?

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 01:05 PM
http://salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php


Hmmmm.......read the comment that was left.



I've read the girl's comments on FB and they are all gossiping amongst themselves, speculating like kids would do. The janitor, the lawn guy, trying to "guess" who would take Kyron from school.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 01:07 PM
better picture of his science project.. looks like they set them up in the classroom..


The sun is just rising here, I'm praying he is found safe and warm!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/science30862_1489639882012_12644146.jpg

(same picture that is on news chan 8 except they cropped it)

Nice science project. He reminds me of my son at that age. Glasses, smart, etc.

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 01:20 PM
This child is creative, curious, attentive to detail, proud of what he does - and only 7yo. Some crafty adult asking him a question about frogs and giving attention to all the work he did is all it would take to get him involved. Wonder if anyone saw this child talking to an unfamiliar adult.

Are the projects still on display? And if not, who took them down - and who set them all up for the children? moo

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 01:24 PM
At all of the schools in our district you MUST sign in at the front desk and wear a Visitor's Tag. NO matter WHAT!

Makes no sense that Skyline would be so safety-conscious at the front desk and so lax about reporting a child not showing up to class.

Besides, on a day like science fair day, there would be so many visitors that someone could easily slip in without signing in.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 01:26 PM
This child is creative, curious, attentive to detail, proud of what he does - and only 7yo. Some crafty adult asking him a question about frogs and giving attention to all the work he did is all it would take to get him involved. Wonder if anyone saw this child talking to an unfamiliar adult.

Are the projects still on display? And if not, who took them down - and who set them all up for the children? moo

Yes, and such an adult could even say, "I saw a frog just like that down by the creek. Wanna go see?"

So many possibilities.

Obviously the school's security was lax to let a child leave campus, with or without an adult.

RainyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:26 PM
Hoping and praying for the safe return of sweet Kyron.
This situation just feels like a kick to the GUT. I am shocked that the school was so open to the public for the science fair. At the school where I teach, EVERYONE must go through the office, sign in, and collect a "visitor" sticker. Also, a parent or guardian cannot just "drop off" their student way before the start of school.....even if a school event is happening (like science fair, book fair, etc.). Children are allowed to be dropped off or left at the school no earlier than 15 minutes before the start of the official school day. Those that are waiting to be let in their classrooms sit in assigned spots in the hallway (organized by class) and we have T.A.'s monitoring them (elementary school procedure). If a child is absent during roll call, we have an amazing secretary here that calls EVERY SINGLE PARENT and emergency contact listed until she gets a person on the line to vouch for the child's absense and whereabouts. You can't be too cautious!!!
Clearly, there was some sort of procedural breakdown (FLAW!) that provided an opportunity for abduction. I have no clue what the situation might be, but I am just so saddened by all of this. Just keep praying, praying......

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Who would be so bold as to take a child in the middle of a school?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-05-2010, 01:29 PM
NW Portland second-grader still missing Saturday

Emergency crews were still searching Saturday morning around Skyline Elementary School after a student didn't return home Friday afternoon.

The Oregon National Guard had planned to launch a helicopter Saturday morning to help look for the child.

[snip]

Staff of the FBI, the Oregon State Police, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Portland Gresham and Fairview police were searching area of the school, which is on NW Skyline Blvd. just east of NW Cornelius Pass Road. Canine units and search and rescue organizations have also been called out, she said.

Lindstrand said about 20 miles of roadway and two square miles of land were part of the search area.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 01:30 PM
Rivers are overflowing, BTW. They are deeper and faster than they should be. Are there any waterways around Skyline?

Showing pic of Kyron. Last seen 8:45AM am. Step-mom called school at 3:45PM. Authorities can't confirm he was at school. Lt. Lunds??? is being interviewed and says this is devastating for the family. He is extremely shy and afraid of the police.

End of story.

So was the photo of him standing by his project taken that morning or another day? I don't see this boy just leaving with a stranger. He's too smart imo. And what are the odds that a pedophile would be able to take him out of the school, would even be there, would know he wasn't accompanied by a parent? And other than his mother who would want to take him?

Why would he be afraid of the police??

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 01:39 PM
Kyron's stepmom just posted on FB telling her friends not to listen to the news, that it's inaccurate. She says that she will provide details as soon as she can.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Kyron's stepmom just posted on FB telling her friends not to listen to the news, that it's inaccurate. She says that she will provide details as soon as she can.


Here it says he wasn't seen after being dropped off ~


A Portland Public Schools spokesman said Kyron Horman, 7, was dropped off for a science fair at the school by his step-mother at 8:45 a.m., wasn't seen after that, and he never returned home Friday afternoon.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 01:42 PM
So was the photo of him standing by his project taken that morning or another day? I don't see this boy just leaving with a stranger. He's too smart imo. And what are the odds that a pedophile would be able to take him out of the school, would even be there, would know he wasn't accompanied by a parent? And other than his mother who would want to take him?

Why would he be afraid of the police??

It was taken that day and uploaded to stepmom's photo album at 3:21 PM.

She was home by 10 AM, and playing games on FB.

eyes4crime
06-05-2010, 01:43 PM
So was the photo of him standing by his project taken that morning or another day? I don't see this boy just leaving with a stranger. He's too smart imo. And what are the odds that a pedophile would be able to take him out of the school, would even be there, would know he wasn't accompanied by a parent? And other than his mother who would want to take him?

Why would he be afraid of the police??

Pedohiles are experts at engaging children in conversation and activity - that's what they do best. And they are everywhere, especially where children are. Someone a little bit too interested in his science project or someone who drew his attention to another science project to get him away from his own area. Wonder who set that project up for him - wonder if he was with any other children in the am. moo

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 01:45 PM
It was taken that day and uploaded to stepmom's photo album at 3:21 PM.

She was home by 10 AM, and playing games on FB.

Is the photo dated? Who said the photo was taken that day? I must've missed this...

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 01:46 PM
Pedohiles are experts at engaging children in conversation and activity - that's what they do best. And they are everywhere, especially where children are. Someone a little bit too interested in his science project or someone who drew his attention to another science project to get him away from his own area. Wonder who set that project up for him - wonder if he was with any other children in the am. moo


Oh I know pedophiles are good at what they do. My point is what are the odds, that's all.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Is the photo dated? Who said the photo was taken that day? I must've missed this...

Last night on the local news a woman was talking to the reporter saying that the picture he was holding, (Kyron by his science project) was taken that morning.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 02:00 PM
Kyron is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Skecher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo.

He was last seen wearing a science-themed t-shirt.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html


From same news story, two different versions of his shirt.

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:02 PM
It was taken that day and uploaded to stepmom's photo album at 3:21 PM.

She was home by 10 AM, and playing games on FB.

You are in a different time zone. I'm in Portland and it says she uploaded the picture at 1:21 pm and she was playing her game at 8:00 am.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:04 PM
Last night on the local news a woman was talking to the reporter saying that the picture he was holding, (Kyron by his science project) was taken that morning.

A lot of conflicting news reports (as usual). If he wasn't seen after the sp dropping him off, as was reported, then who took the photo? Or is that newswoman just reporting what she was told by the sm?

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 02:06 PM
A lot of conflicting news reports (as usual). If he wasn't seen after the sp dropping him off, as was reported, then who took the photo? Or is that newswoman just reporting what she was told by the sm?

I'm pretty sure that the step mother took the picture since she uploaded it to her Facebook that afternoon.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:11 PM
I'm pretty sure that the step mother took the picture since she uploaded it to her Facebook that afternoon.

Thanks. So it is a fact the photo was taken that morning or is it possible it was taken the day before?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:13 PM
Multnomah County officials have expanded their search for a 7-year-old Portland boy missing since Friday morning, turning it into an investigation by the region’s Major Crimes Team.

http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/news/story.php?story_id=127576029009015000

mysticrose
06-05-2010, 02:16 PM
I don't like this one bit, I have read all the news and posts and something is very amiss here. I checked the schools website and have seen no mention of how they deal with visitors etc.....

Someone IMO took that boy from that school while on his way to class, someone talked him into leaving.
I have seen no where about cameras in the parking lot ? Anyone see that anywhere ?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:18 PM
from above link ~

Sheriff’s deputies said Kyron Horman, a second-grader at Skyline Elementary School, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., was last seen at about 8:45 a.m. Friday walking a school hallway to his classroom.

What time did the sp drop him off at school?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:29 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/05/search-boy-seen-oregon-school/


Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand says the boy's stepmother reported last seeing him walk down the hallway towards his classroom at 8:45 a.m. Friday. School staff didn't see him after that time and report that he didn't make it to class.



Did they see him before that time? :banghead:

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 02:37 PM
You are in a different time zone. I'm in Portland and it says she uploaded the picture at 1:21 pm and she was playing her game at 8:00 am.

Yes, I'm in central time zone. Thanks for clarifying that!

cluciano63
06-05-2010, 02:43 PM
So the boy's stepmother was last to see him? This is such a mess of reporting I can hardly believe it. How hard can it be to report a story...facts should not ever change...did anyone else see him or not???

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 02:57 PM
Yes, I'm in central time zone. Thanks for clarifying that!


So if sm was home playing games at 8am then what time did she drop her son off at school and take his photo in the classroom? And who was it that last saw him at 8:45 am?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:00 PM
"I just know he was really nice and he's smart and I don't think he just ran away from school," said Nancy Hernandez, a sixth-grade student. "It's a small school where I don't think you can easily get lost."

http://www.livepdx.com/news/23800594/detail.html

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:03 PM
live

http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html

mysticrose
06-05-2010, 03:07 PM
I cant see the video but LE just said they want to interview all parents and children from the school .....

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 03:07 PM
Thank YOU annalyzer! I was not aware this was on! Thank goodness they are going to
interview the parents of students tomorrow!

cj1132
06-05-2010, 03:07 PM
I'm not real knowledgeable about facebook. As for the time thing, do you have to set it yourself as to the time zone you're in?

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 03:15 PM
Bloodhounds and police K9 search dogs.
No positive hits.

They plan on interviewing all 300 parents at the school.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:16 PM
Thank YOU annalyzer! I was not aware this was on! Thank goodness they are going to
interview the parents of students tomorrow!

You're welcome. Wish we could hear the reporters questions better.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:18 PM
they have a timeline but can't release that. they can't release several things.

i haven't heard confirmation of when he was dropped off, was his sp with him in the school, etc.

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 03:19 PM
The FBI is involved.

No comment about any evidence found.

They will be showing media the classroom, his artwork at 2 pm.

The family is being updated constantly. They have a liaison with them.

They don't need volunteers at this time. They have 100's of professionals searching.

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 03:20 PM
They are throwing every available resource.

Still a missing person case.

Kyron always rides the bus except for special event days, so his mom took him.

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Kyron Horman is an "energetic student, a very social kid who loves to play soccer and build model cars with his dad," deputies say.

darlin gal
06-05-2010, 03:23 PM
If you live in Skyline Blvd area, deputies ask you perform a no-stone-unturned search of your property. Anything out of place, contact them

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:27 PM
The boy lives with his father and stepmother. Lindstrand said his mother, who lives out of the area, was on her way here.

View full sizeThe Oregonian/Allan BrettmanLt. Jason Gates, incident commander for the Multnomah County Sheriff's office, outside Skyline Elementary School.Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years.

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

Zimmerman said she was in contact with the father, Kaine Korman, and stepmother, Terri Korman, and detectives Friday night. “Everybody’s just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody.”

She said the K-8 school has about 300 students.

Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Korman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said.

Kyron’s project was on the red-eye tree frog, Madi said.

“We always play on the swings together,” she said of her friend. I’m thinking my thoughts for him. I’m very worried.”

Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

“Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

“We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has a 16-year-old brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.”

Anyone with information regarding Kyron's whereabouts is asked to call a tip line at 503-261-2847.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

don't know if this article has been posted yet or not

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:31 PM
so according to the article above, gina zimmerman saw him at the school.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 03:35 PM
*Check and look along road sides, back roads, fields,dump areas that you may know about in the county or in the towns or areas you drive to or live near. These may be areas that you routinely drive, walk, run, jog, etc. Check any ditches or areas that are typically hard to see when driving by at high speeds. Other potential areas to check are under bridges, in abandoned barns or structures that are not normally occupied, abandoned vehicles, etc.

*If you notice a suspicious odor in an area, or see activities in or around abandoned homes or property; if you happen to see circling birds or gathering predators, like coyotes in or around an area, check it out to see if it is safe, or contact the local law enforcement agency near you to have it checked out.

*If you own property that is not currently occupied, check it out to make sure it is still secure and that everything inside is in order and as you expect it to be. If you know your neighbor is not home and you have permission to go on their property, check for any broken windows, doors, or suspicious activity or things that may appear out of place to you.

*If you live in a rural area and know your neighbors are gone for extended periods of time, drive by those areas and make note of any unusual cars, vehicles or things that appear out of place and are not consistent with what you are familiar with.
If you live near an empty home or building, watch for any suspicious activity or unusual people or vehicles in or around the structure that are not normally there.

*Do NOT go in any buildings or homes that you do not own or trespass on private property, to search any areas.
If you see or suspect anything suspicious, do not attempt to pick it up, touch it or contaminate the immediate surrounding areas. If you leave the area before authorities arrive try to leave the same way you came in so other potential items are not disturbed or contaminated.

*If a suspicious incident is in progress and you are concerned for public safety always call 911.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23051506/detail.html


These tips from FBI came out in the Kayleah Wilson case and are helpful.

mysticrose
06-05-2010, 03:39 PM
The boy lives with his father and stepmother. Lindstrand said his mother, who lives out of the area, was on her way here.

View full sizeThe Oregonian/Allan BrettmanLt. Jason Gates, incident commander for the Multnomah County Sheriff's office, outside Skyline Elementary School.Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years.

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

Zimmerman said she was in contact with the father, Kaine Korman, and stepmother, Terri Korman, and detectives Friday night. “Everybody’s just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody.”

She said the K-8 school has about 300 students.

Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Korman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said.

Kyron’s project was on the red-eye tree frog, Madi said.

“We always play on the swings together,” she said of her friend. I’m thinking my thoughts for him. I’m very worried.”

Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

“Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

“We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has a 16-year-old brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.”

Anyone with information regarding Kyron's whereabouts is asked to call a tip line at 503-261-2847.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

don't know if this article has been posted yet or not


BBM....Well I hope we find out what parent led group he was in, how in the heck do you lose a child like that.....
I am so worried something horrible has happened from some sicko .....

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 03:39 PM
The boy's stepmother reports she had taken him to a science fair at the school Friday morning. She said they walked through a number of classrooms and she last saw him around 8:45 a.m. Friday, walking down the hallway toward his classroom at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd.

School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 a.m. They also said Kyron did not make it to his classroom.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 03:45 PM
I just went back on Kyron's stepmom's facebook. There is NO indication at all that she would have had anything to do with this. She is VERY involved in Kyron's life. She is a teacher herself... she took time off to be with the children after the birth of Kyron's little sister. She is very active in Kyron's life, takes him to swimming lessons, participates as a room mother in his class, loves him as her own. Refers to him as her son.

I've seen no mention whatsoever of his real mother. I wonder what that situation is. It appears that the real mother has no visitation or anything... if she's alive. I don't know anything about Kyron's history before his stepmom came into his life, but by all indications, I don't see how he could have had a happier home life with anyone. She is pretty much the mom every child should have. And she truly loves him.

REally really hoping that this child is found!

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 03:50 PM
A parents worse nightmare. This is scary.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 03:52 PM
I just went back on Kyron's stepmom's facebook all the way to the day she joined. There is NO indication at all that she would have had anything to do with this. She is VERY involved in Kyron's life. She is a teacher herself... she took time off to be with the children after the birth of Kyron's little sister. She is very active in Kyron's life, takes him to swimming lessons, participates as a room mother in his class, loves him as her own. Refers to him as her son.

I've seen no mention whatsoever of his real mother. I wonder what that situation is. It appears that the real mother has no visitation or anything... if she's alive. I don't know anything about Kyron's history before his stepmom came into his life, but by all indications, I don't see how he could have had a happier home life with anyone. She is pretty much the mom every child should have. And she truly loves him.

REally really hoping that this child is found!

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 03:53 PM
I just went back on Kyron's stepmom's facebook. There is NO indication at all that she would have had anything to do with this. She is VERY involved in Kyron's life. She is a teacher herself... she took time off to be with the children after the birth of Kyron's little sister. She is very active in Kyron's life, takes him to swimming lessons, participates as a room mother in his class, loves him as her own. Refers to him as her son.

I've seen no mention whatsoever of his real mother. I wonder what that situation is. It appears that the real mother has no visitation or anything... if she's alive. I don't know anything about Kyron's history before his stepmom came into his life, but by all indications, I don't see how he could have had a happier home life with anyone. She is pretty much the mom every child should have. And she truly loves him.

REally really hoping that this child is found!

I agree with you but I wanted to mention that reports are that the mother lived out of the area and was on her way there. Best case scenerio would be if it were a custody dispute but it's not looking that way. I can in no way fault the step mother. She did what all of us have done, left her child at school, seeing him go to his classroom. She had no way of knowing that he never made it there.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 03:58 PM
I agree with you but I wanted to mention that reports are that the mother lived out of the area and was on her way there. Best case scenerio would be if it were a custody dispute but it's not looking that way. I can in no way fault the step mother. She did what all of us have done, left her child at school, seeing him go to his classroom. She had no way of knowing that he never made it there.

Plus, she visited his classes since first grade to help the children make Christmas ornaments, to read to them, to bring treats on special days like St. Paddys. She knows that school and everyone there knows her. She assumed that Kyron was in good hands, as any of us would have.

I'm gonna do a little sleuthing on the natural mom and see what falls out of the tree.

freefallzzzz
06-05-2010, 04:04 PM
not the best quality but gives an idea of the search area, taken with my camera phone off the tv

school from air 12
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/air12school.jpg

behind the school where the field goes into the tree line
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/air12fieldandtrees.jpg

This is a woman searcher with a canine, you cannot see the dog because
the grass in the field is so tall
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/dogsearch.jpg

CCup
06-05-2010, 04:04 PM
I wonder if this school has an video cameras? I live in a fairly small community and my kids school has them in the parking lots and in the building and the school I used to work at had them all over the place.

Or even any stores or gas stations in the area that have surveillance. I realize that the FBI would check into all of this, but there is definetly no mention on it yet.

Praying for Kyron!

amandab
06-05-2010, 04:05 PM
I'm just coming in here, but can someone please confirm for me - the last place he was seen is inside his own school?? If that's the case, it makes this that much scarier....

DairyGirl
06-05-2010, 04:06 PM
I'm just coming in here, but can someone please confirm for me - the last place he was seen is inside his own school?? If that's the case, it makes this that much scarier....

That is what it looks like. There is a picture taken of him that morning in the school. His step mother says she last saw him at 8:45 am walking to his class room.

amandab
06-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Thanks DairyGirl. Prayers for Kyron - the awful possibiilties swirling through my head are frightening....

STEADFAST
06-05-2010, 04:10 PM
That is what it looks like. There is a picture taken of him that morning in the school. His step mother says she last saw him at 8:45 am walking to his class room.

It reminds me of the Sandra Cantu case the way he disappeared so quickly among familiar people.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 04:18 PM
The search effort continued through Friday night, then grew Saturday morning as more volunteers and agencies joined the effort. An Oregon National Guard Helicopter joined the effort Saturday. Police dogs have been sniffing around the Skyline region since Friday evening. At a noon Saturday news conference, Multnomah Co. Deputy Jason Gates said they did not need more people showing up and trampling around the area, because they could possibly compromise any clues leading to Kyron's whereabouts. However, Gates also asked people living near Skyline Elementary School to search their properties. Many of those homes have already been contacted by law officers, who've gone door-to-door, asking people if they've seen any sign of Kyron or anything/anyone possibly related to the case.


http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Second-Grader-Still-Missing-Search-Intensifies/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 04:21 PM
not the best quality but gives an idea of the search area, taken with my camera phone off the tv

school from air 12
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/air12school.jpg



Seeing those pics and how close the woods are to the school makes me think it is possible he went out to find a real toad and got lost. That is if all the reports so far are true that he was seen in the school by someone other than the sm and was assigned to a little group. I just dont see a pedophile finding the opportunity to snatch him in that case.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-05-2010, 04:24 PM
Lots of resources out there looking for little Kyron.


Search continues for missing 7-year-old boy

The National Guard is now assisting in the search for a second grader from Portland's Skyline Elementary School who went missing Friday.

That's according to a press conference held Saturday by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The FBI also has asked to participate in the search, although as of Saturday – according to spokesman and Multnomah Captain Jason Gates – it had yet to do so.

[snip]

Search and rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine Inc., Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine and additional members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Members continued their searching throughout the night, encompassing more than 20 miles of road and 2 square miles. Portland Police Bureau's air unit also was called in.

Saturday morning, around 7 a.m., the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office readied for its second operational period to find Kyron Horman. It ordered more resources which include Search and Rescue resources from Washington County Sheriff's Office, Yamhill County Sheriff's Office, Clark County Washington, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue and a National Guard helicopter.

More: http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Lots of resources out there looking for little Kyron.


Search continues for missing 7-year-old boy

The National Guard is now assisting in the search for a second grader from Portland's Skyline Elementary School who went missing Friday.

That's according to a press conference held Saturday by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The FBI also has asked to participate in the search, although as of Saturday – according to spokesman and Multnomah Captain Jason Gates – it had yet to do so.

[snip]

Search and rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine Inc., Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine and additional members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Members continued their searching throughout the night, encompassing more than 20 miles of road and 2 square miles. Portland Police Bureau's air unit also was called in.

Saturday morning, around 7 a.m., the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office readied for its second operational period to find Kyron Horman. It ordered more resources which include Search and Rescue resources from Washington County Sheriff's Office, Yamhill County Sheriff's Office, Clark County Washington, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue and a National Guard helicopter.

More: http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html

Yes that's excellent....come on guys, bring this little guy back home safe before night fall...

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 04:29 PM
I had to quit reading the Ethan threads because my little boy looked so much like Ethan at that age...with glasses.

And here's another adorable little boy with glasses missing. It just breaks my heart because these little boys remind me so much of my son at that age.

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 04:29 PM
Bloodhounds and police K9 search dogs.
No positive hits.

They plan on interviewing all 300 parents at the school.

Too much time and too much scent probably, ugh. But no positive hits means no positive hits yet. Hope they've got backup dogs out.

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 04:30 PM
http://skylineelementary.org/files/imagecache/Display/files/playground.jpg



http://skylineelementary.org/?q=node/25

This is their playground.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 04:31 PM
Too much time and too much scent probably, ugh. But no positive hits means no positive hits yet. Hope they've got backup dogs out.

Ew I didn't see or even think of that (no hits from dogs). If he was out wandering the woods wouldn't they hit on his scent? Did the dogs hit on the scent of that girl who was missing in the woods?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 04:32 PM
snip
This is their playground.[/CENTER]


Hey, good idea with the tires in the ground. When I was a kid you just hit dirt.

JustToSeeYouSmile
06-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Ew I didn't see or even think of that (no hits from dogs). If he was out wandering the woods wouldn't they hit on his scent? Did the dogs hit on the scent of that girl who was missing in the woods?

If they're in the right area and they have the right scent article and he's out wandering around then they should be tracking and hopefully successfully. But in 6+ hours (if he has been wandering) he could have covered some distance before they got dogs out. If it's raining, or has rained since then that makes it more difficult for dogs to pick up a scent. The weather was good this morning for tracking...I'm hopeful with more dogs- despite a 6hr backlog- they still got dogs out quickly- and well, I still have hope.
I hope he didn't head toward a river or other water. Lots of times kids who are lost or wandering will head downhill. Worried about that.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 04:51 PM
Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show.

She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid."

Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody."

She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said.

http://www.kgw.com/home/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 04:53 PM
http://www.bing.com/maps/#JndoZXJlMT0xMTUzNitOVytTa3lsaW5lK0JsdmQuK1BvcnRsY W5kJTJjK09yZWdvbiUyYys5NzIzMSZzcz15cC4xMTUzNitOVyt Ta3lsaW5lK0JsdmQlNDAyK1BvcnRsYW5kJTJjK09yZWdvbiUyY ys5NzIzMSU3ZXNzdC4xJTdlcGcuMSZiYj02MC41NzAxNzE0MTU zODcyJTdlLTQ1LjI1NTg1OTM3NDk5OTklN2UxOS42OTMxNTM3M jE0ODg1JTdlLTExNS43NDQxNDA2MjU=

Click on bird's eye view. Gives a good idea of the area.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 04:56 PM
Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class.

“Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

truthsleuth
06-05-2010, 05:08 PM
From bing maps:

Front view of school:
http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/SkylineSchoolfrontview.jpg

The forest behind the school that goes on and on and on.
http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/Forestbehindschool.jpg

A better view of the depth of the forest, but it just continues on to the left. It is so large it cannot be captured in one shot.
http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/forestdepth.jpg

Back of the school and back parking lot/recreational area.
http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/Backofschoolparkinglot.jpg

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 05:14 PM
basically reiterates what was in the news conference

NW Portland second grader still missing

excerpt ~

Parents of the 300 children will be asked to come to the school on Sunday on a staggered basis to interview with detectives to glean more information about Kyron's interests and school activities. They will be notified via a Portland Public Schools messaging system, he said.

Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show.

She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid."

http://www.king5.com/news/local/NW-Portland-second-grader-still-missing-Saturday-95689114.html

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 06:06 PM
Kyron's mother lives in Medford, about four hours south of Portland.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm glad they're not getting the weather there that we're having here, thunderstorms and heavy downpours.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Read the last comment on this page--comment by Jamie:

http://salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 06:25 PM
Your child goes missing from school, the one place you think he is safe. Scary nightmare.

pufnstuf
06-05-2010, 06:27 PM
Live news conference here in 30 minutes:

www.kptv.com

RubyRed
06-05-2010, 06:29 PM
Read the last comment on this page--comment by Jamie:

http://salem-news.com/articles/june042010/missing_boy.php

Editor's note: I strongly suggest not bothering with the ridiculous phone number listed above, it is an endless maze; if you know anything about the whereabouts of this boy, dial 911 and be insistent that they take your report


I read that earlier but it seems like the editor is frustrated trying to call it in.

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 06:32 PM
Are they not thinking this was an abduction otherwise why haven't we heard pleas from the parents for his safe return?

tfrohning
06-05-2010, 06:32 PM
I don't see anything about the dad....Did I missed that?

annalyzer
06-05-2010, 06:33 PM
I don't see anything about the dad....Did I missed that?

he lives with his dad and stepmom.

tfrohning
06-05-2010, 06:41 PM
Snip
Kyron's absence went unnoticed throughout the day, deputies said, and he was not reported missing until hours later.
I just don't understand this at all. What about his teacher would she not notice if he wasn't in class???

At my grandson school we forgot to call that he was not going to be in school and we got a call and a lecture.

I don't like the sound of this. So he lives with his dad and stepmom. But I have not seen were dad have made a plead. So confused !!!!