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Seymour Krelborn
03-20-2010, 06:56 PM
PATRICK ALFORD , Age Now: 7, Missing: 01/22/2010. Missing From BROOKLYN, NY. ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT: New York City Police Department (New York) 1-718-827-3551.

More... (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1139843&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
03-30-2010, 06:38 PM
Brooklyn foster child Patrick Alford, 7, threatens to run away, then disappears

A 7-year-old Brooklyn foster child who threatened to run away to his biological mother disappeared Friday night when he left to take out the trash, police and family said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/01/23/2010-01-23_brooklyn_foster_child_patrick_alford_7_threaten s_to_run_away_then_disappears.html#ixzz0jhbG2ecZ



7-year-old Patrick Alford had just moved in with his foster family 3 weeks prior to disappearing on January 22, 2010. He disappeared while going with his foster mother to take out the trash. At first, LE called this 7-year-old child a "runaway". Now they say he may have been abducted.

Patrick Alford
Date of disappearance - January 22, 2010
Time of disappearance - 9:00 pm
Place of disappearance - Spring Creek development in the Starrett City section of Brooklyn, NY (130 Vandalia Ave.)
Last seen wearing - Red t-shirt, blue jeans, blue and black Michael Jordan sneakers

Foster Mom - Librada Moran
This is who Patrick was last seen by, and who he was with when he disappeared.

Bio-Mom - Jennifer Rodriguez
Lost custody of Patrick when she was jailed for petty larceny.

Bio-Dad - Patrick Alford
We don't know much about him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
03-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Missing-boy reward at 12G

Police have added $10,000 to the reward for helping find those responsible for the disappearance of a 7-year-old East New York boy from his foster family home.

The money comes in addition to the $2,000 Crime Stoppers was offering in the case of Patrick Alford, who vanished Jan. 22 from his home in Starrett City.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/missing_boy_reward_at_aIBHEw7F50DXcW1FmoZf7H#ixzz0 jhaiIRSh (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/missing_boy_reward_at_aIBHEw7F50DXcW1FmoZf7H#ixzz0 jhaiIRSh)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
03-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Cops: Child Wanders Off, Possibly Abducted

Patrick Alford, 7, disappeared from his Brooklyn, N.Y., home after telling his new foster parents he planned on running away in order to reunite with his biological mother. Cops still haven't located Patrick and believe he may have come into harm's way.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=71486

summer_breeze
04-07-2010, 07:49 PM
http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2010/04/post_11.html

By Jeff Harrell
April 07, 2010, 5:20PM

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- The search for a missing 7-year-old New Brighton boy has resumed in Howard Beach.

Police scoured nearly 1,000 acres of woods and marshland at the southern tip of the Queens community Wednesday for signs of Patrick Alford, who hasn’t been seen or heard from since January.

summer_breeze
04-13-2010, 09:04 AM
http://www.yournabe.com/articles/2010/04/12/brooklyn/courier-yn_brooklyn_front_page-cn_alfordmissing_2010_04_16_bk.txt

By Thomas Tracy
Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT

Cops are getting desperate in their ongoing search for little Patrick Alford.

After exhausting almost every possible lead, cops underwent the morbid duty of “beating the weeds” along the Brooklyn-Queens border near his foster family’s Starrett City/Spring Creek apartment building for the child’s remains.

summer_breeze
04-16-2010, 11:10 AM
http://www.yournabe.com/articles/2010/04/15/queens/qns_hb_boy_search_20100415.txt

By Howard Koplowitz
Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT

A frantic search for a Brooklyn foster child missing for nearly three months led police to a grassy area of Howard Beach last week, but all that turned up was dog remains, police said.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
05-17-2010, 07:36 PM
A 7-Year-Old's Cold Trail

NYPD Officers Haunted by Search for 7-Year-Old Boy in East New York

On a snowy night in January, 7-year-old Patrick Alford went missing. Within 90 minutes, Jeffrey Maddrey began to search.

Four months later, he's still looking.

Mr. Maddrey, 39, is the commanding officer of the precinct covering the crime-ridden East New York section of Brooklyn. He and the precinct's chief of detectives, Lt. John Tennant, 44, have seen it all. Yet the Alford case haunts them, and they now regard it as the most important in their decades-long careers.

Police said it is among the most intense searches in recent history with 9,100 apartments at 214 buildings canvassed and 14,000 people interviewed.

They've even devoted a situation room to Patrick at the precinct house. Maps and photographs cover the walls. On the main table, a chart connects at least 40 people related to the case, from Patrick's mother to a member of the Bonanno crime family.

At the top of the chart is a photo that has been distributed throughout the city: a little boy with his shirt buttoned to the top and a breakout smile. His photo was shown twice on "America's Most Wanted," though police said it generated few leads.

More: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703880304575236632786625888.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

summer_breeze
05-20-2010, 01:07 PM
http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/top_stories/118973/family-prays-for-return-of-missing-seven-year-old-boy


Family Prays For Return Of Missing Seven-Year-Old Boy
By: Joe Malvasio
5/20/2010

As police continue their nearly four-month long search for a missing second grader, his family continues to hold out hope for his safe return. NY1’s Joe Malvasio filed the following report from a prayer service and vigil in Tompkinsville on Wednesday.

Cubby
06-20-2010, 10:30 AM
Please continue here.

Thread #1

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-20-2010, 12:51 PM
7-year-old Patrick Alford had just moved in with his foster family 3 weeks prior to disappearing on January 22, 2010. He disappeared while going with his foster mother to take out the trash. At first, LE called this 7-year-old child a "runaway". Now they say he may have been abducted.

Patrick Alford
Date of disappearance - January 22, 2010
Time of disappearance - 9:00 pm
Place of disappearance - Spring Creek development in the Starrett City section of Brooklyn, NY (130 Vandalia Ave.)
Last seen wearing - Red t-shirt, blue jeans, blue and black Michael Jordan sneakers

Foster Mom - Librada Moran
This is who Patrick was last seen by, and who he was with when he disappeared.

Bio-Mom - Jennifer Rodriguez
Lost custody of Patrick when she was jailed for petty larceny.

Bio-Dad - Patrick Alford
We don't know much about him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-20-2010, 12:53 PM
NCMEC Poster: http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1139843&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

AMW: http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=71486

MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/helpfindpatrick

NamUs: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5427/0/

Info about the area from which Patrick went missing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starrett_City,_Brooklyn

According to Family Watchdog, there are about 40 sex offenders within a mile of this address. There are over 1,000 sex offenders within 5 miles.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-20-2010, 01:17 PM
Jan 23. Brooklyn foster child Patrick Alford, 7, threatens to run away, then disappears: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/01/23/2010-01-23_brooklyn_foster_child_patrick_alford_7_threaten s_to_run_away_then_disappears.html

Jan 25. Police continue to search for missing Brooklyn boy: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7235740

Jan 25. Helicopters hovering over Mariners Harbor: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/helicopters_hovering_over_mari.html

Jan 26. Search For Missing Brooklyn Boy Expands: http://wcbstv.com/local/brooklyn.boy.search.2.1450054.html

Jan 26. Search Continues For Missing Brooklyn Boy: Police Think Patrick Alford, 7, Initially Went Looking For Birth Mom: http://wcbstv.com/local/patrick.alford.missing.2.1449398.html

Jan 26. Cops Search Area Near Swamp For Missing Boy: http://wcbstv.com/local/missing.child.patrick.2.1448546.html

Jan 27. Where Is He? Leads For Missing NYC Boy Go Cold: Patrick Alford Was Last Seen At His Foster Mother's Home Friday Night: http://wcbstv.com/local/brooklyn.boy.search.2.1450832.html

Jan 28. Community Aids In Search For Missing Brooklyn Boy: http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/112780/community-aids-in-search-for-missing-brooklyn-boy

Jan 29. Judge jails mother, believes she knows location of 7-year-old Patrick Alford: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/29/2010-01-29_untitled__3missing29m.html#ixzz0e0Imoeux

Jan 30. Brooklyn mom denies involvement in case of missing son, but offers information on possible locations: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/30/2010-01-30_judge_not_buying_mas_story_denies_abducting_7yr old_offers_potential_locales.html#ixzz0e74Dlizb

Feb 1. NYPD big caught in shootout while searching for missing boy: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/01/2010-02-01_nypd_big_caught_in_shootout_while_searching_for _missing_boy.html

Feb 2. Brooklyn mom suspected in case of missing son, 7, released from jail after lie detector test: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/02/02/2010-02-02_brooklyn_mom_suspected_in_case_of_missing_son_7 _released_from_jail_after_lie_det.html

Feb 4. Mom speaks out on missing 7-year-old: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7255943

Feb 9. Mother of missing boy in court, pleads for his return: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7267381

Feb 12. NYPD Increases Reward For Information On Missing Boy: http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/113593/nypd-increases-reward-for-information-on-missing-boy

Feb 17. West Brighton mom jailed over missing boy now arrested in street-corner fight: http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2010/02/west_brighton_mom_jailed_over.html

Feb 28. Brooklyn foster child Patrick Alford still missing as NYPD is mystified: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/02/28/2010-02-28_boy_7_still_missing_city_cops_mystified.html

Feb 28. New 'Etan' fear (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ): Cops suspect worst for little Patrick (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ): http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ

March 3. PIX Exclusive: Missing Boy's Last Meeting with Mom: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-pix-investigates-missing-boy,0,5547988.story

April 7. Police Search Wooded Area for Missing Brooklyn Boy: http://www.1010wins.com/pages/6750498.php?

April 7. NYPD revives search for missing foster child Patrick Alford; 100 cops deployed to seek leads: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/04/07/2010-04-07_nypd_revives_search_for_missing_foster_child_pa trick_alford_100_cops_deployed_to.html#ixzz0kRPhjU rJ

April 9. Hunt for B'klyn boy hits a wall (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/hunt_for_klyn_boy_hits_wall_L4EfAHTZM3DrmyMId8gPTN ): http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/hunt_for_klyn_boy_hits_wall_L4EfAHTZM3DrmyMId8gPTN #ixzz0kdaSZiTK

April 13. Search for missing boy reaches desparate levels: http://www.yournabe.com/articles/2010/04/12/brooklyn/courier-yn_brooklyn_front_page-cn_alfordmissing_2010_04_16_bk.txt

April 15. Cops search Howard Beach for missing Brooklyn boy: http://www.yournabe.com/articles/2010/04/15/queens/qns_hb_boy_search_20100415.txt

May 12. A 7-Year-Old's Cold Trail : NYPD Officers Haunted by Search for 7-Year-Old Boy in East New York: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703880304575236632786625888.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

May 20. On Staten Island, mom and kin keep the faith for young Patrick Alford: http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/05/on_staten_island_mom_and_kin_keep_the_faith_for_yo ung_patrick.html

Cubby
06-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Bumping for Patrick.

Thank you for the wonderful job with the news links I4G. No new news in over a month. :(

Patrick where are you?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
06-30-2010, 08:47 PM
Thanks Cubby. Wish there was more news on this little guy. :(

Missing over 5 months now.

RubyRed
06-30-2010, 08:58 PM
Where Are You, Patrick?



http://api.ning.com/files/0CfNENpxTiA29uWBcuxCdOVtOJJZC2wxibBOo4kZeC86lWeNaz BqXktsU0oUwXBqww49wXNIOJArmN3hLN6zpDv7GjAfOcDH/AlfordPatrickEM.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/0CfNENpxTiA29uWBcuxCdOVtOJJZC2wxibBOo4kZeC86lWeNaz BqXktsU0oUwXBqww49wXNIOJArmN3hLN6zpDv7GjAfOcDH/AlfordPatrickEM.jpg

Seifert79
07-01-2010, 11:13 AM
Bump...Bump...Bump...


Has anyone made a request for a WS Forensic Astrologer to look into Patrick's case? Although I don't fully understand the technical astrological techniques and theories, I read the threads regularly, and the astrologers who post charts there seem to come up with interesting ideas.

If no request has been made, I am happy to make it!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-01-2010, 01:05 PM
Leomoon has done a chart for little Patrick. There are acually a few posts for him, starting on page 20 of the Case Briefings thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79041&page=20

Seifert79
07-01-2010, 11:36 PM
Thank you! I have never read the "Briefings" thread, I guess I wasn't clear on the actual meaning of "case briefings" as it pertains to astrology. I am definitely going to read it from now on. :idea:

cocolafay
07-05-2010, 05:42 AM
I'm brand new (1mo.) on WS; not even sure how I got to this case. And don't know what to do to to help. I can see why it grabs so many hearts. I'll be following it from now on. I read the whole 1st thread today or rather tonight.
I'm praying for Patrick to come home safe, but I'm all too aware of the odds.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-05-2010, 11:36 PM
Welcome to Websleuths, cocolafay! Glad to have you here! Thanks for joining us on Patrick's case.

RubyRed
07-05-2010, 11:43 PM
A 7 year old can't make it on the streets. I just do not get it. How did he just vanish? Was he abducted? So many questions.

ilovemew
07-06-2010, 08:01 PM
"I don't think a 7-year-old is out on his own in this cold weather caring for himself," the judge said. "He's with someone."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/30/2010-01-30_judge_not_buying_mas_story_denies_abducting_7yr old_offers_potential_locales.html#ixzz0swxKQNK5

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-06-2010, 09:09 PM
I really hope that you are right, ilovemew.

But I really think that if mom had him somewhere, she would have screwed up by now. She would have said something or gone to him. Or disappeared herself. I really really hope that someone safe has him. But my hope is fading.

cocolafay
07-07-2010, 02:09 AM
I really hope that you are right, ilovemew.

But I really think that if mom had him somewhere, she would have screwed up by now. She would have said something or gone to him. Or disappeared herself. I really really hope that someone safe has him. But my hope is fading.

I have to reluctantly agree, Idaho; unless he has a guardian angel whose working very hard overtime. My hope is also fading. Mom couldn't keep him hidden this long.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-11-2010, 01:47 PM
Just thinking about Patrick today. I had a dream about him last night. Well, mostly I was just wandering around Brooklyn looking for him. But I couldn't find him. :( Made me very upset, and I'm still thinking about him today. Come home soon, little buddy. We're all waiting and hoping. Wishing there was something more we could do.

CHICANA
07-11-2010, 04:41 PM
Random thought... If nobody else saw Patrick when he was taking out the trash or leaving the building, why do I get the feeling that LE has more or less just taken foster mom's word that he ran off ? Everybody in that household plus their friends and relatives should be closely scrutinized. We know that mom took a polygraph, any idea if the foster parents were tested ? I'm not saying that they did anything, but someone they know definitely could have.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-11-2010, 05:30 PM
Random thought... If nobody else saw Patrick when he was taking out the trash or leaving the building, why do I get the feeling that LE has more or less just taken foster mom's word that he ran off ? Everybody in that household plus their friends and relatives should be closely scrutinized. We know that mom took a polygraph, any idea if the foster parents were tested ? I'm not saying that they did anything, but someone they know definitely could have.

I don't know this for certain, but I do suspect that they have surveillance footage of Patrick leaving the building. They have said that they have footage of foster-mom searching for him. So they must also have footage of Patrick. If they did not have some proof of him leaving the building, I'm sure we would hear about it. And the focus would be elsewhere. I don't think they would just take her word for it if they didn't see him anywhere on any surveillance. Of course, anything is possible.

Salem
07-11-2010, 11:56 PM
Prayers that Patrick gets to come home soon.

Salem

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-14-2010, 11:38 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Alford_Patrick2.jpg?t=1279164759 http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Alford_Patrick6.jpg?t=1279164759 (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/?action=view&current=Alford_Patrick2.jpg)http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Alford_Patrick9.jpg?t=1279164759 (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/?action=view&current=Alford_Patrick9.jpg) http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Alford_Patrick8.jpg?t=1279164759 (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/?action=view&current=Alford_Patrick8.jpg)http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Alford_Patrick3.jpg?t=1279164759 (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/?action=view&current=Alford_Patrick3.jpg) http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/th_Dinosaur.jpg?t=1279164759 (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/Other%20Cases/Patrick%20Alford%20-%20MISSING/?action=view&current=Dinosaur.jpg)

Sources: http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=71486, http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1139843&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US, http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-pix-investigates-missing-boy,0,5547988.story, Video Stills, & Patrick's father's Facebook

butterfly1978
07-15-2010, 05:02 AM
Idaho I want to thank you for the dedication to this sweet boy, I check here often as I have it marked as a favorite. I wish there was more that we could do, but nothing is being released at all. I wonder if LE is still searching for him, maybe we should start a letter writing campaign to the mayor, news stations and LE in this case.

cocolafay
07-15-2010, 06:43 AM
Idaho I want to thank you for the dedication to this sweet boy, I check here often as I have it marked as a favorite. I wish there was more that we could do, but nothing is being released at all. I wonder if LE is still searching for him, maybe we should start a letter writing campaign to the mayor, news stations and LE in this case.

I too want to add my thanks to Idaho and to you too butterfly. Patrick is one I keep coming back to also. Like the break on Lindsey, I am hoping a break for Patrick is coming soon.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-18-2010, 01:51 PM
No news on Patrick in 2 months. He is SEVEN years old! The same age as little Kyron. Yet nothing. :(

Chewy
07-18-2010, 02:06 PM
Living in Brooklyn and knowing the area it is very possible for a child to wander out on his own. This neighborhood has huge apartment buildings throughout.

Snoopster
07-18-2010, 05:43 PM
No news on Patrick in 2 months. He is SEVEN years old! The same age as little Kyron. Yet nothing. :(

I4G, I know that others have recently thanked you for your dedication to this case, but I want to add my personal thanks as well. While I didn't join WS until well after Patrick disappeared, it is your perserverance and focus on this case that has brought me to catch up on it now.

Why is it that our society pays more attention to kids in apparently 'happy, normal' families? Doesn't every child deserve a chance in life? Shouldn't we be equally concerned for a missing child that already has faced significant challenges in life?

Where are you Patrick? All we want is for you to be safe and loved.

cocolafay
07-19-2010, 12:45 AM
I too want to add my thanks to Idaho and to you too butterfly. Patrick is one I keep coming back to also. Like the break on Lindsey, I am hoping a break for Patrick is coming soon.


Snoopster: You definitely should have been on my list of those I thanked for keeping Patrlck's name on everyone's mind. He really stole my heart! 9Athough I, like you, joined quite a while after Patrick went missing also.) I'm hoping for a miracle.

summer_breeze
07-19-2010, 07:39 AM
http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/07/holding_out_hope_for_missing_island_boy_patrick_al ford.html

Published: Monday, July 19, 2010, 1:35 AM
Updated: Monday, July 19, 2010, 7:26 AM
Jeff Harrell

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- He should be doing what most little 8-year-old boys are doing this summer.

Playing ball. Swimming. Video games with buddies. Chasing down the ice cream truck.

Anything but missing.

It’s been nearly six months since Patrick Alford vanished into thin air, and only God and — whoever has him if he’s still alive — are left to fill in the blanks.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-19-2010, 02:11 PM
Holding out hope for missing Staten Island boy, Patrick Alford

He should be doing what most little 8-year-old boys are doing this summer.

Playing ball. Swimming. Video games with buddies. Chasing down the ice cream truck.

Anything but missing.

It’s been nearly six months since Patrick Alford vanished into thin air, and only God and — whoever has him if he’s still alive — are left to fill in the blanks.

http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/07/holding_out_hope_for_missing_island_boy_patrick_al ford.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-19-2010, 09:09 PM
Some more snips from the link above.


But as easy as it is to sit back and blame a mother we don’t know, a judge we can’t overrule, or an agency we can’t understand, laying blame now is pointless because there’s a little boy who is still nowhere to be found.

[snip]

Where is the little boy with the wide, toothy grin who bounced with a fresh energy and fed off as much food as his grandma could put on the dinner plate?

Swimming? Thumbing a new video game? Charming a few extra sprinkles out of Mr. Softee? Tucked away with family somewhere else, as some detectives still believe?

Or, is Patrick a pile of remains identified only by teeth lying in a place nobody has looked yet?

“He’s still alive,” aunt Brenda Ortiz says. “I believe he wants to come home.”

God help us all if he can’t.

RubyRed
07-19-2010, 09:21 PM
It is heartbreaking isn't it? I am just not so sure he is with family.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-19-2010, 10:55 PM
Very heartbreaking, RubyRed. I came across the article while at work and had to stop reading it. Just wasn't the day to start bawling at work. Still holding out hope that Patrick can come home soon and have a "normal" summer. :(

cocolafay
07-21-2010, 03:11 AM
I keep coming back hoping to see that someone in NY is doing something or hearing something that will help bring Patrick home. And I'll keep coming back. Patrick, you're still in our thoughts and prayers!

cocolafay
07-22-2010, 03:35 AM
Patrick's been missing 6 months today. Idaho posted an article from the Staten Island Live (I've only been a WS member for about 6 weels and don't know how to snip or link). Idaho has all that a few posts above 7/19/2010. Just as the story says,: We're still holding out hope!!!!!!

Let's all say a prayer for Patrick today.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-22-2010, 11:31 AM
6 months. :(

Still waiting and hoping for you, Patrick.

http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Brock/Vigil%20for%20Child%20RapistCop%20Killer%20Lovelle %20Mixon%20Tonight.jpg

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-22-2010, 10:40 PM
You'd think the local media would have at least mentioned *anything* about Patrick today. But I can't find a thing. :(

RubyRed
07-22-2010, 10:54 PM
But as easy as it is to sit back and blame a mother we don’t know, a judge we can’t overrule, or an agency we can’t understand, laying blame now is pointless because there’s a little boy who is still nowhere to be found.

Police twice searched a wooded area around Howard Beach near Spring Creek where dogs once picked up a trace of Patrick’s scent. Nothing.

“Where’s Patrick?” is not a question now. It’s a neon sign.

http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/07/holding_out_hope_for_missing_island_boy_patrick_al ford.html

cocolafay
07-25-2010, 03:30 PM
So it's 6 months and a few day since Patrick went missing. I pray that his guardian angel is with him and that another angel for Patrick is working with LE to guide them in the right direction to find Patrick and send him back to those who love him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-25-2010, 09:21 PM
Patrick has been added to the Charley Project, marking his being missing for 6 months.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/alford_patrick.html

Kat
07-26-2010, 01:47 AM
I know this sounds stupid I4G but I would wish we knew where the orginating country (or if PR) the Mother's family moved from to NYC.

I wonder if they still have ties there? Could Patrick have been taken there?

I know it's a long shot but it gives me a bit of hope to wonder.

LadyL
07-26-2010, 01:53 AM
I haven't checked in on Patrick in awhile
disappointing that he's not home yet

where can he be????????

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
07-26-2010, 10:04 PM
I know this sounds stupid I4G but I would wish we knew where the orginating country (or if PR) the Mother's family moved from to NYC.

I wonder if they still have ties there? Could Patrick have been taken there?

I know it's a long shot but it gives me a bit of hope to wonder.

That's a good question and would be nice to know. I *assume* that all connections to Patrick's mother's family have been checked out. But you just never know. And the best chance he has of being alive is with family.

cocolafay
08-01-2010, 01:22 AM
Patrick is a 7 yr. old little boy, just like Kyron. Oh, I wish he had people there to advocate for him and keep his face in the public eye. Patrick, there are people thinking of you who want to see you found. I'm saying prayers for you little one.

cocolafay
08-03-2010, 02:35 AM
A prayer for Patrick.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Finding Missing Foster Children: Kids Who Disappear From State Care Often at Disadvantage

For every Elizabeth Smart, there's an Amber Nicklas. For every Kyron Horman, there's a Patrick Alford. For every Caylee Anthony, there's a Rilya Wilson.

For every high-profile missing children's case that grabs the nation's attention, there are hundreds of foster children who disappear from state care whose cases are never even reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

[snip]

A case that defied all convention, however, was that of missing 7-year-old New York City boy Patrick Alford, whose status as a foster child hasn't stopped his foster parent and the state from getting his case put on everything from local newspapers to national websites to a segment on "America's Most Wanted."

Patrick, Allen said, had attempted to run away before to find his biological mother. In January, he made another run for it and got away while his foster mother was taking the trash out. He left in the dead of winter, with no extra clothes and no supplies.

She immediately called both state authorities and the police, who in turn notified the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. He has never been found.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-foster-children-state-privacy-laws-lack-family/story?id=11251835&page=3

cocolafay
08-04-2010, 07:17 AM
Hope Patrick's Guardian Angel is watching over him. Prayers for Patrick, his family and all of us who care for him and miss him. We need a MIRACLE now!

krazyfingerzz
08-09-2010, 07:42 PM
Just bumping Patrick up. I thought that he must have been found, and I missed it after following other cases. Sadly, I was wrong. When things get too quiet, I fear that the world has forgotten. What do we need to do to light a fire under the backsides of LE and media?

cocolafay
08-12-2010, 12:38 AM
Just bumping Patrick up. I thought that he must have been found, and I missed it after following other cases. Sadly, I was wrong. When things get too quiet, I fear that the world has forgotten. What do we need to do to light a fire under the backsides of LE and media?

I wish I had an idea of something helpful to do. I keep posting, hoping to keep him on the first page, hoping one of the older supersleuths will do their stuff!
Meanwhile a prayer that Patrick's Guardian Angel is watching over him.:angel2:

mommy_xox
08-12-2010, 08:21 PM
Oh Patrick, where are you hunny? I wish we could get an update - Something, ANYTHING. I've e-mailed my local news station here in Florida, I hope to hear something back..

This is one of the many reasons why I joined Websleuths..Even if the stories have vanished from the news, you guys never forget! :blowkiss:

cocolafay
08-15-2010, 07:12 AM
Oh Patrick, where are you hunny? I wish we could get an update - Something, ANYTHING. I've e-mailed my local news station here in Florida, I hope to hear something back..

This is one of the many reasons why I joined Websleuths..Even if the stories have vanished from the news, you guys never forget! :blowkiss:

Hi and welcome to Websleuths. I keep posting a hope and a prayer for Patrick just to keep his case where others will see it and hopefully take an interest. I hope you do get a response from your email. I wonder if your local news station has an affiliate in New York. I'm also new here, but for some reason Patrick touched my heart. May his Guaedian Angel stay by his side.:angel2:

cocolafay
08-15-2010, 07:25 AM
Oh Patrick, where are you hunny? I wish we could get an update - Something, ANYTHING. I've e-mailed my local news station here in Florida, I hope to hear something back..

This is one of the many reasons why I joined Websleuths..Even if the stories have vanished from the news, you guys never forget! :blowkiss:

By the way, do you know Patrick or just touched like me?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-15-2010, 05:55 PM
http://media.ny1.com/media/2010/5/20/images/patrick_alford_vigil227d54b2-cc86-4075-9f4e-501f903dd41a.jpg
http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/top_stories/118973/family-prays-for-return-of-missing-seven-year-old-boy

I'm not a praying person, but for Patrick's sake, I will send one up.

RubyRed
08-15-2010, 06:55 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs225.snc4/38582_124078714306149_100001120622920_134060_38840 54_n.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ

cocolafay
08-16-2010, 04:25 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs225.snc4/38582_124078714306149_100001120622920_134060_38840 54_n.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ

RubyRed: Thanks for the update in the NY paper, though certainly not what we wanted to hear. But I noticed that the 3rd poster was very sure Patrick was still alive and living with a former foster parent. I'm ready to grab at any chance and hope LE saw it and is checking it out. Thanks so much for sharing that news.
And mommy xox, you did check in just in time for an update! Sorry I thought you were new, I saw just a few posts and missed thst you've been a member since 2008. A NEWBIE MISTAKE!!!! So sorry, my bad.

summer_breeze
08-19-2010, 06:55 PM
http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/08/a_mothers_anguish_a_part_of_me_is_missing.html

Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:08 AM
Updated: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 9:10 AM

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Jennifer Rodriguez can’t speak without welling up.

The mere mention of “Patrick” — his name is tattooed on her left arm — causes teardrops to tumble from her eyes and down her cheeks.

cocolafay
08-20-2010, 01:36 AM
Oh Patrick, where are you hunny? I wish we could get an update - Something, ANYTHING. I've e-mailed my local news station here in Florida, I hope to hear something back..

This is one of the many reasons why I joined Websleuths..Even if the stories have vanished from the news, you guys never forget! :blowkiss:

mommy xox -- any word back on the email you sent to your local news station?

Another prayer that Patrick's Quardian Angel is staying close until someone gets lucky and finds him!:angel2:

chrissybk
08-20-2010, 01:53 AM
A 13 year old girl went missing from the same building as Patrick on either Tuesday or Wednesday. I have searched for info but cannot find any. From what I have learned, I believe her name is Jennifer Tineo and she lives on the 12th floor of the building. If anyone can find any info please post it, I will continue to try to gain some info about this girl. In the meantime, I will be praying for her and Patrick.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-20-2010, 03:56 PM
I can't find anything on Jennifer, chrissybk. I hope that she has already been found. If you do learn anything new, please let us know.

cocolafay
08-24-2010, 05:59 AM
So many missing, more kids every day. It's so hard to keep any particular one in a place to be noticed, especially those in foster care.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-25-2010, 12:23 AM
A Staten Island mom's anguish: 'A part of me is missing'

Jennifer Rodriguez can’t speak without welling up.

The mere mention of “Patrick” — his name is tattooed on her left arm — causes teardrops to tumble from her eyes and down her cheeks.

It’s the face of a mother who has no idea where her little boy is — or has been — for the past seven months and counting.

[snip]

Jennifer has been jailed three times since. Cops have also busted down family members’ doors searching for the missing boy.

When she got out last week on a probation violation over, among other charges, the shoplifting incident back in December, a detective told her the “real” reason she’s been locked up is because “they wanted me there.”

[snip]

“You neglected my son,” she insists. “You promised me that my son was going to be safe. You took my son, put him in a stranger’s house, and that stranger neglected my son by leaving him alone.”

[snip]

Nothing is okay here in Jennifer’s apartment. She sits on her bed staring at pictures of her missing son wearing frustration, sadness and rage on her face instead of makeup. The relentless swell of tears is genuine.

A portrait of a mother’s life shattered.

“I feel like I’m never going to be okay,” Jennifer says, “until my son comes home.”

The NYPD and Crime Stoppers are offering $12,000 for information leading to the youngster’s whereabouts. Anyone with information regarding Patrick Alford may contact police at 212-694-7781, Detective Borough Brooklyn at 718-287-3239, or 800-577-TIPS. Those calling the Crime Stoppers tips line should refer to Crime Stoppers Poster Number BK-1726.

http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/08/a_mothers_anguish_a_part_of_me_is_missing.html

VIDEO AT LINK

ETA: Direct link to video: http://tribeca.vidavee.com/advance/doc/E300B7A3C66E5C49DD52577F61D58782?AF_deliveryChanne l=play

butterfly1978
08-25-2010, 02:56 AM
This is so freaking sad. I wear sometimes I get so angry at the world I want to scream. Yes Jennifer screwed up but no one should have to go through this.A Staten Island mom's anguish: 'A part of me is missing'

Jennifer Rodriguez can’t speak without welling up.

The mere mention of “Patrick” — his name is tattooed on her left arm — causes teardrops to tumble from her eyes and down her cheeks.

It’s the face of a mother who has no idea where her little boy is — or has been — for the past seven months and counting.

[snip]

Jennifer has been jailed three times since. Cops have also busted down family members’ doors searching for the missing boy.

When she got out last week on a probation violation over, among other charges, the shoplifting incident back in December, a detective told her the “real” reason she’s been locked up is because “they wanted me there.”

[snip]

“You neglected my son,” she insists. “You promised me that my son was going to be safe. You took my son, put him in a stranger’s house, and that stranger neglected my son by leaving him alone.”

[snip]

Nothing is okay here in Jennifer’s apartment. She sits on her bed staring at pictures of her missing son wearing frustration, sadness and rage on her face instead of makeup. The relentless swell of tears is genuine.

A portrait of a mother’s life shattered.

“I feel like I’m never going to be okay,” Jennifer says, “until my son comes home.”

The NYPD and Crime Stoppers are offering $12,000 for information leading to the youngster’s whereabouts. Anyone with information regarding Patrick Alford may contact police at 212-694-7781, Detective Borough Brooklyn at 718-287-3239, or 800-577-TIPS. Those calling the Crime Stoppers tips line should refer to Crime Stoppers Poster Number BK-1726.

http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/08/a_mothers_anguish_a_part_of_me_is_missing.html

VIDEO AT LINK

ETA: Direct link to video: http://tribeca.vidavee.com/advance/doc/E300B7A3C66E5C49DD52577F61D58782?AF_deliveryChanne l=play

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-25-2010, 04:05 PM
Video still from the most recent story linked above.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/38new.jpg?t=1282766679

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-31-2010, 12:40 AM
From the most recent article posted above ( http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/08/a_mothers_anguish_a_part_of_me_is_missing.html )

Jennifer has been jailed three times since. Cops have also busted down family members’ doors searching for the missing boy.

When she got out last week on a probation violation over, among other charges, the shoplifting incident back in December, a detective told her the “real” reason she’s been locked up is because “they wanted me there.”

“They say they believe strongly that I have something to do with his disappearance,” Jennifer says. “There’s no way that me or anybody in my family have anything to do with the disappearance of my son. I think they’re using bad judgment.”I think they're using bad judgment, too. How can locking her up help, even if she is responsible? They have searched for Patrick at her home and at other family members' places. They haven't found him in 7 months of searching there. I sincerely hope that Jennifer is great at moving Patrick from place to place and not getting caught. Because he would be alive. But I'm just not seeing it. And if they really think that she is hiding him, why keep her locked up??? Let her free and see where she goes. She will eventually go to him. But not when she knows that you keep watching her.

I just can't believe they're still focusing on her after 7 months.

Seifert79
08-31-2010, 03:22 AM
I read this comment left in response to the article linked in the most recent posts above.


It struck me as a "matter of fact" statement, but not most likely not necessarily someone with direct knowledge.


Any thoughts???





02/28/2010 10:13 AM- comment. About the possibility Patrick is alive and well with someone who knew him from one of his foster families.....

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
08-31-2010, 01:31 PM
I read this comment left in response to the article linked in the most recent posts above.


It struck me as a "matter of fact" statement, but not most likely not necessarily someone with direct knowledge.


Any thoughts???





02/28/2010 10:13 AM- comment. About the possibility Patrick is alive and well with someone who knew him from one of his foster families.....

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_etan_fear_xYYOQsYDPSYhEPmGnrsAjJ

I certainly hope it's true. But that's all I can do at this point. I will hope for any angle that keeps Patrick alive. I don't think it's someone who "knows", though. The way they wrote it makes it sound that way, but I don't think they do. You never know, though...

cocolafay
09-05-2010, 05:34 AM
Isn't it time for a break, even a little clue, in Patick's case for him and his family? I too hope this
'foster parent' exists and has him safe.


:angel2: Watch over him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
09-12-2010, 01:41 AM
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/68000/68073/68073_126_W8-1_c_mth.gif (http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/68000/68073/68073_126_W8-1_c.htm)

For Patrick

cocolafay
09-15-2010, 03:38 AM
Thanks to all who help keep Patrick's name and story up there. I used to stop on this site everyday to check for news and BUMP. I'm doing hospice now for a close friend and am often too tired to post.


Watch over him. :angel2:

watchful_eye
09-15-2010, 12:41 PM
I think about this little guy every so often, but sadly, no good news. I just hope he is safe (?)

His mother blames everyone but herself. It was her behavior that landed Patrick in foster care to begin with. Patrick has paid the ultimate price :(

CHICANA
09-15-2010, 01:50 PM
I think about this little guy every so often, but sadly, no good news. I just hope he is safe (?)

His mother blames everyone but herself. It was her behavior that landed Patrick in foster care to begin with. Patrick has paid the ultimate price :(

You're not supposed to lose your kids for shoplifting. I've seen no evidence that he was abused or neglected plus there were family members that wanted him. Foster care is supposed to be a last resort, the state failed this child and the foster mom lost him. He wasn't missing until they took him from his mother.

watchful_eye
09-16-2010, 02:17 PM
You're not supposed to lose your kids for shoplifting. I've seen no evidence that he was abused or neglected plus there were family members that wanted him. Foster care is supposed to be a last resort, the state failed this child and the foster mom lost him. He wasn't missing until they took him from his mother.

Chicana, I understand your frustration, and it is unclear why Patrick and his sister were not placed with aunts or grandparents. However:

1. First of all, just because a child is not abused or neglected (or may not appear to be), does not mean he is not living in a negative, damaging environment.

2. Secondly, CPS/DSS has in so many cases NOT removed a child from a dangerous living situation. So they MUST have felt it was beneficial to remove Patrick.
See here:
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:1120024779&start=1

3. Thirdly, everyone knows the low level of quality CPS/DSS often provides and how kids fall through the cracks---so OF COURSE the foster care system is to blame. Maybe parents should take better care of themselves and their kids so they don't wind up there!

In an article listed below, Jennifer, Patrick's mother, decided (before Patrick went missing) that, probably out of jealosy, she would prevent Patrick from seeing his Dad by stating in court that his girlfriend was abusive toward the children.
http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/05/on_staten_island_mom_and_kin_keep_the_faith_for_yo ung_patrick.html

Clearly, Jennifer, with her shoplifting and spreading such a terrible lie, and drug use, was a terrible influence for a child, but moreso---led to her losing her son. She told authorities that her ex's girlfriend was abusive, and that lie came back to BITE HER and Patrick. The mother who cried wolf.

Her poor decisions led to her children's placement in a negligent/flawed system.

It was obvious Patrick hated fostercare and wanted to be with is family, and that he loved his mother. Children often never stop loving their parents, even if they are abusive or negligent (not saying that Jennifer is), it's just a need for parental love. BUT--CPS at the time had reason to believe he needed to be placed elsewhere--whether that was right or wrong---it happened.

I think the woman in Patricks care was negligent that night and the foster care system chose her prior to that incident. I also think Patrick could have avoided foster care altogether if Jennifer led a crime-free life and did not lie under oath to get back at her ex. KARMA is out there.

No one should have to go through the pain of have a missing/hurt/deceased child. But the fact is, Jennifer was not being a responsible parent.

G-d bless Patrick and his little sister too. I hope Jennifer helps herself or gets the help she needs to live a safe, clean life for her children. My prayers also go out to Patricks family.

CHICANA
09-17-2010, 12:41 AM
Chicana, I understand your frustration, and it is unclear why Patrick and his sister were not placed with aunts or grandparents. However:

1. First of all, just because a child is not abused or neglected (or may not appear to be), does not mean he is not living in a negative, damaging environment.

2. Secondly, CPS/DSS has in so many cases NOT removed a child from a dangerous living situation. So they MUST have felt it was beneficial to remove Patrick.
See here:
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:1120024779&start=1

3. Thirdly, everyone knows the low level of quality CPS/DSS often provides and how kids fall through the cracks---so OF COURSE the foster care system is to blame. Maybe parents should take better care of themselves and their kids so they don't wind up there!

In an article listed below, Jennifer, Patrick's mother, decided (before Patrick went missing) that, probably out of jealosy, she would prevent Patrick from seeing his Dad by stating in court that his girlfriend was abusive toward the children.
http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/05/on_staten_island_mom_and_kin_keep_the_faith_for_yo ung_patrick.html

Clearly, Jennifer, with her shoplifting and spreading such a terrible lie, and drug use, was a terrible influence for a child, but moreso---led to her losing her son. She told authorities that her ex's girlfriend was abusive, and that lie came back to BITE HER and Patrick. The mother who cried wolf.

Her poor decisions led to her children's placement in a negligent/flawed system.

It was obvious Patrick hated fostercare and wanted to be with is family, and that he loved his mother. Children often never stop loving their parents, even if they are abusive or negligent (not saying that Jennifer is), it's just a need for parental love. BUT--CPS at the time had reason to believe he needed to be placed elsewhere--whether that was right or wrong---it happened.

I think the woman in Patricks care was negligent that night and the foster care system chose her prior to that incident. I also think Patrick could have avoided foster care altogether if Jennifer led a crime-free life and did not lie under oath to get back at her ex. KARMA is out there.

No one should have to go through the pain of have a missing/hurt/deceased child. But the fact is, Jennifer was not being a responsible parent.

G-d bless Patrick and his little sister too. I hope Jennifer helps herself or gets the help she needs to live a safe, clean life for her children. My prayers also go out to Patricks family.

Again, there's no law that states you have to be a perfect parent. You don't have to even be a good influence. There's supposed to be evidence of physical abuse before a child is taken. Otherwise, it's based on the opinion of a caseworker who may or may not be qualified to make that kind of decision.
A child shouldn't be ripped from his home and traumatized because his mom lied. If she lied under oath, why didn't they charge her with perjury instead of taking her child ?
I looked at her charges, and I didn't see one for perjury. Why not ? Lack of evidence ? Why the heck should we believe the social worker when there were no charges filed ?
I think she said negative things about her ex because she wanted to keep her kids, not because she wanted to get back at him, and in her opinion she might have thought the step mom was abusive. Again, all it takes is the opinion of a CPS worker to lose your child. Mom's also entitled to her opinion.
But, if they knew she was lying about the dad & stepmom, why didn't they send Patrick there ? It's ridiculous that they would say that mom was lying about the dad's home and then not let him go there. Is child welfare now about punishing parents instead of doing what's best for a child ? I don't get the karma thing here. The state was supposed to do what was best for Patrick, not make him pay for his mother's mistake.
Let's imagine that I go out with some girlfriends this weekend and leave my kids with their dad or grandma. I drink, drive, and get a DWI. I'm a criminal. My kids were safe and never in any danger. Their parent made a bad choice that did not put them at risk. CPS decides I'm not a good influence, takes them and gives them to someone who loses them, their likely raped, tortured and murdered when they were never abused before. They leave bruised and battered children with their abusers, yet they take children from parents who make bad choices and are bad influences.
What's the point of taking them, when they're not any better off ?

CHICANA
09-17-2010, 12:49 AM
The mother of a 7-year- old boy who ran away from a Brooklyn foster home is a drug-addicted, habitual liar incapable of telling the truth about her own kids, a caseworker testified yesterday.

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:1120024779&start=1


This isn't fact. It's a biased opinion made by a social worker who placed a child with a foster parent who neglected him. Now he's gone and probably dead and those involved are trying to cover their azzes by blaming the mom for Patrick's disappearance. And the idiot judge ordered mom to jail until she 'produced' Patrick while the foster mom has never been held accountable for her negligence.

watchful_eye
09-17-2010, 12:08 PM
Hi Chicana, thanks for responding. I just want to clarify that I DO think that CPS plays a role in this and that they did mess up, BUT, I think the mother needs to really realize that her life choices were not in the best interest for her child. Whether or not CPS was RIGHT, Patrick was taken, and it was because of Jennifer (according to CPS). Patrick DID NOT DESERVE THIS and SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED for his mother's choices. I want to confirm that.

I understand what you mean by this:

Is child welfare now about punishing parents instead of doing what's best for a child ? I don't get the karma thing here. The state was supposed to do what was best for Patrick, not make him pay for his mother's mistake.


It may be that CPS was really unsure if the girlfriend was abusive or not. Jennifer may have said, "I was lying!", but her being known for lying, they were stuck. HOWEVER, looking over this scenario, it DOES seem like the court/CPS was punishing Jennifer, without any care or regard for HELPING Patrick. I totally agree with what you are saying.

CPS does play a role in this tragedy. But, at the root of everything, I still feel that if you don't want your kids in foster care, lead a safe, legal, life---not a perfect life, but stay out of prison, and out of trouble.

We do not know Jennifer's full story. CPS may have had more reason to take her kids away. I know it does not state that in articles, but we don't know.

I agree that if CPS is only allowed to take kids away if there is a sign of abuse or neglect, and there WAS NO evidence, then they messed up. But frankly, we, the public, don't know if there was or wasn't any?? Maybe CPS did?

I agree that CPS should have placed Patrick and his sister with family members if they were capable of taking care of them.

As to the Karma remark--it was directed at Jennifer, but I mean no harm or direction toward Patrick. But I guess they go hand in hand.

Also----

If you drive drunk and you are a parent, but your children are not in the car, who's to say they won't be in the car the next time you drive drunk?? Not saying they should be taken away--unless you are a repeat drunk driver---but just a thought.

(Unrelated to Jennifer):

If you abuse drugs, get into violent verbal or physical altercations, abuse animals, that should be a direct link to how you treat your children. It might not always be, in all cases. How you treat yourself or others is often (not always) times reflected on the treatment of your kids.

If CPS is only allowed to take kids based upon proof of abuse or neglect, that is one thing, but frankly, if you are causing harm to yourself or others, you ARE hurting your kids. They need you to survive. This is just an opinion. Maybe it's not the law, but it needs to be discussed.

Kat
09-17-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm thinking of your handsome little face today Patrick.

Yes, you can discuss any aspect of any case on the appropriate thread for a missing person watchful_eye. This is the appropriate thread for any discussion for Patrick. :)

I see you joined not too long ago, if I didn't welcome you, welcome!

CHICANA
09-18-2010, 12:26 AM
Hi Chicana, thanks for responding. I just want to clarify that I DO think that CPS plays a role in this and that they did mess up, BUT, I think the mother needs to really realize that her life choices were not in the best interest for her child. Whether or not CPS was RIGHT, Patrick was taken, and it was because of Jennifer (according to CPS). Patrick DID NOT DESERVE THIS and SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED for his mother's choices. I want to confirm that.

I understand what you mean by this:



It may be that CPS was really unsure if the girlfriend was abusive or not. Jennifer may have said, "I was lying!", but her being known for lying, they were stuck. HOWEVER, looking over this scenario, it DOES seem like the court/CPS was punishing Jennifer, without any care or regard for HELPING Patrick. I totally agree with what you are saying.

CPS does play a role in this tragedy. But, at the root of everything, I still feel that if you don't want your kids in foster care, lead a safe, legal, life---not a perfect life, but stay out of prison, and out of trouble.

We do not know Jennifer's full story. CPS may have had more reason to take her kids away. I know it does not state that in articles, but we don't know.

I agree that if CPS is only allowed to take kids away if there is a sign of abuse or neglect, and there WAS NO evidence, then they messed up. But frankly, we, the public, don't know if there was or wasn't any?? Maybe CPS did?

I agree that CPS should have placed Patrick and his sister with family members if they were capable of taking care of them.

As to the Karma remark--it was directed at Jennifer, but I mean no harm or direction toward Patrick. But I guess they go hand in hand.

Also----

If you drive drunk and you are a parent, but your children are not in the car, who's to say they won't be in the car the next time you drive drunk?? Not saying they should be taken away--unless you are a repeat drunk driver---but just a thought.

(Unrelated to Jennifer):
If you abuse drugs, get into violent verbal or physical altercations, abuse animals, that should be a direct link to how you treat your children. It might not always be, in all cases. How you treat yourself or others is often (not always) times reflected on the treatment of your kids.

If CPS is only allowed to take kids based upon proof of abuse or neglect, that is one thing, but frankly, if you are causing harm to yourself or others, you ARE hurting your kids. They need you to survive. This is just an opinion. Maybe it's not the law, but it needs to be discussed.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but allowing state workers to opine on what they 'feel' is harmful is dangerous.

They get away with it because it's so easy for them to hide the truth. Since they can't disclose anything, many assume there's 'more to the story' and they just can't tell us because they have to protect the child. I think this is BS as it also helps them cover up their mistakes that we (and the children) pay for.

That's why these cases and records need to be open to the public.

You commented that "If you drive drunk and you are a parent, but your children are not in the car, who's to say they won't be in the car the next time you drive drunk? "

My response is -- exactly, who's to say ? Who gets to decide that ?
It's abusive to traumatize kids by ripping them out of their homes and families based on maybes.
Does the state just get to guess that you're capable of driving your kids around drunk ?
IMO, that is the equivalent of saying a woman who has an abortion is capable of killing a newborn.
And why does the state have to get involved with every imperfect parent ? If you have a young mother doing dumb, irresponsible things and grandma is willing to take care of her child until the mom gets her act together, they should leave them alone. Let family take care of family unless the child is truly abused or neglected.

I don't think foster care was used as a last resort in this case, and there's nothing that leads me to believe that Patrick would be missing and possibly/probably dead if he had been left with his family.

summer_breeze
09-26-2010, 07:50 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/26/2010-09-26_without_a_trace_anguished_mom_rips_police_8_mon ths_after_son_vanishes.html

BY Simone Weichselbaum and Alison Gendar
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, September 26th 2010, 4:00 AM

It's been eight months since 7-year-old Patrick Alford disappeared in Brooklyn - and cops now say his mother may not be behind it, after all.

But Jennifer Rodriguez, 23 - whose lawyer says she's taken and passed two lie-detector tests - is not relieved the cloud of suspicion is drifting.

Instead, she's angry police focused on her instead of chasing other leads.

"He is still missing. It's killing me," said Rodriguez, who fears the public has forgotten about the second-grader.

"They thought I was behind it, but now all these months later, where is my son?"

CHICANA
09-26-2010, 03:10 PM
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LegallyKidnapped/~3/ebTfgw9XgcU/anguished-mom-jennifer-rodriguez-rips.html

butterfly1978
09-26-2010, 03:23 PM
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LegallyKidnapped/~3/ebTfgw9XgcU/anguished-mom-jennifer-rodriguez-rips.htmlI could only get the title and one sentence to pull up. It stated Le may be wrong about Jennifer being behind this.... What else does it say? and it doesn't take a genius to figure out she was not behind this, at least from my point of view.

Kat
09-26-2010, 03:26 PM
I didn't like a few of the sentences in that article, but that was just me. I felt there were a few statements about Patrick's Mother that didn't need to be included in the article because it had no bearing on the circumstances that lead up to Patrick being with a foster Mother. JMHO. (They could have just said she has 3 children, and not notated how many men fathered those children)

I wonder, did the Foster Mother take a LDT? I hope so. She was the last person known to have been with and to have seen Patrick. LE has never said that they saw him on camera leaving the bldg by himself. JMHO.

Kat
09-26-2010, 03:27 PM
I could only get the title and one sentence to pull up. It stated Le may be wrong about Jennifer being behind this.... What else does it say? and it doesn't take a genius to figure out she was not behind this, at least from my point of view.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/26/2010-09-26_without_a_trace_anguished_mom_rips_police_8_mon ths_after_son_vanishes.html

Original article in MSM.

butterfly1978
09-26-2010, 03:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/26/2010-09-26_without_a_trace_anguished_mom_rips_police_8_mon ths_after_son_vanishes.html

Original article in MSM.


Thank you!!! OMG this makes me so ANGRY!!! LE has really dropped the ball in this case. and they should be held accountable, but of course they wont be. She should also sue the judge who in the beginning had her held because he thought she was behind it, even after passing the poly. I agree with those in the comment section, if this had been a white family things would have been treated diffrent. I am white but I know what racism is when I see it. UGGGGGG

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
09-26-2010, 05:54 PM
"He is still missing. It's killing me," said Rodriguez, who fears the public has forgotten about the second-grader.
"They thought I was behind it, but now all these months later, where is my son?"


That's the burning question, isn't it. Where is Patrick???


Through it all, there has been no trace of the boy - and no evidence tying his disappearance to his mother, her family, or the foster mom, police sources said.

"It is an actual mystery," one source said. "There are lots of theories, and some still believe that the mother is still somehow involved, but there is no evidence, and, unfortunately no signs of the little boy.

"There are no productive leads. We can't tie anything to the mother or the foster mother. There is nothing concrete on where this kid is. It's as if this kid disappeared from the face of the Earth."

So basically, after 8 months of investigation, they have absolutely nothing. Nothing tying his disappearance to mom, family, foster mom, stranger, or even alien abduction. NOTHING. I do thank the LE that have done so much. There's an article (maybe on the first thread) that talked about how much they have done looking for him. But that just makes it that much more frustrating! Where is Patrick?!?!?


Quotes from: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/26/2010-09-26_without_a_trace_anguished_mom_rips_police_8_mon ths_after_son_vanishes.html#ixzz10ftaYNnw

cocolafay
09-26-2010, 07:53 PM
Hi to everyone who's been posting on Patrick's page. I haven't checked in in 10 days (I used to post every day or two to keep Patrick's name at the top). But I'm doing hospice care for a dying friend and just can't get here that much. So sorry to see there's no news, but thanks to everyone who posts for Patrick. I'm glad to see he is in caring hands all the time whether one WSer is available or not.

A prayer for Patrick and his family.:angel2:

CHICANA
09-26-2010, 11:34 PM
I could only get the title and one sentence to pull up. It stated Le may be wrong about Jennifer being behind this.... What else does it say? and it doesn't take a genius to figure out she was not behind this, at least from my point of view.

Sorry. I posted it from my cell phone and didn't realize that it wasn't the link from the original article til afterwards.

summer_breeze
09-28-2010, 07:05 PM
http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/09/little_boy_lost_and_nobodys_manning_up.html

Published: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 8:30 AM

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — If she were an uptown mother with a trust fund and a blue-blood family name that rolled off society tongues like caviar, the eight-month-old case of her missing son would still be a big deal to the people who lost him.

Guaranteed.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
09-30-2010, 03:09 PM
Little boy lost and nobody's manning up

If she were an uptown mother with a trust fund and a blue-blood family name that rolled off society tongues like caviar, the eight-month-old case of her missing son would still be a big deal to the people who lost him.

[snip]

“It bothers me a lot,” Jennifer says. “It frustrates me. It aggravates me. He was in foster care, somebody else’s care. He hasn’t been around for eight months and they don’t know where he is. If I don’t have him, and the foster mom don’t have him, they think he got hurt. He tried to go somewhere, and we can’t find him.

“I think somebody abducted my son. And I’m really scared for my son. I’m terrified.”

Nobody else seems to be, at least not those responsible for turning a scared little boy out to the wolves.

More: http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/09/little_boy_lost_and_nobodys_manning_up.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-02-2010, 04:53 AM
Kids turn out to support missing kids

By the whooping of the hundreds of A.W. Becker kids lined up outside the school’s entrance Friday you would have thought Miley Cyrus was on the way.

But what had the kids cheering was the third annual Greater Capital District Ride for Missing Children bike caravan snaking southward down Rte. 9W and onto the school grounds.

[snip]

Another rider sported a badge with the picture of Patrick Alford, a seven-year-old Brooklyn boy who went missing in January 2010.

http://www.thedailymail.net/articles/2010/09/30/ravena_news/news/doc4ca0a63fb33db934778490.txt

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-02-2010, 04:54 AM
Kids turn out to support missing kids

By the whooping of the hundreds of A.W. Becker kids lined up outside the school’s entrance Friday you would have thought Miley Cyrus was on the way.

But what had the kids cheering was the third annual Greater Capital District Ride for Missing Children bike caravan snaking southward down Rte. 9W and onto the school grounds.

[snip]

Another rider sported a badge with the picture of Patrick Alford, a seven-year-old Brooklyn boy who went missing in January 2010.

http://www.thedailymail.net/articles/2010/09/30/ravena_news/news/doc4ca0a63fb33db934778490.txt

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-02-2010, 04:30 PM
Just wanted Patrick's LostNMissing poster to be in this thread.

http://www.lostnmissing.com/uploads/1_Patrick_Alford_7_MISSING_NY_01-22-10.jpg

PolyGraph
10-07-2010, 09:30 PM
Random thought... If nobody else saw Patrick when he was taking out the trash or leaving the building, why do I get the feeling that LE has more or less just taken foster mom's word that he ran off ? Everybody in that household plus their friends and relatives should be closely scrutinized. We know that mom took a polygraph, any idea if the foster parents were tested ? I'm not saying that they did anything, but someone they know definitely could have.Hi Chicky, I know im late to this but I was thinking the same thing, anyone know if step mom took poly?

PolyGraph
10-07-2010, 09:32 PM
Praying for you to come come Patrick :rose:

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-07-2010, 09:38 PM
Hi Chicky, I know im late to this but I was thinking the same thing, anyone know if step mom took poly?

His biological mom took and passed a polygraph. I can't recall anything about his foster mom taking one. If she did, we have not heard about it that I can remember (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

butterfly1978
10-07-2010, 11:54 PM
I don't think the foster mom took a poly if so it wasn't posted. They were so stuck on trying to pin this on the mom they didn't look at anyone else. Patricks case is a perfect example of why LE should not get tunnel vision,

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-11-2010, 03:09 AM
I hate to even think of little Patrick needing a site like NamUs, but here is his NamUs profile: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5427/0/

Kimberlyd125
10-11-2010, 09:56 AM
I think about this case often. This child did not just vanish in thin air. I can not believe it's been this long with NOTHING.

Praying for you Patrick.

watchful_eye
10-11-2010, 10:13 AM
:innocent::innocent:Poor Patrick. I agree with those who say this is race/class related. Patrick is not getting the same publicity as other missing kids because he is black/latino and grew up in a lower socioeconomic environment. Also because he was a foster child. I feel like people think foster kids or runaways are a lost cause because "nobody cared about them enough to keep them, so why should we"----terrible it may seem, but I think that as a society--this is a subconcious thought.

Patrick you matter!

darlin gal
10-12-2010, 06:20 PM
- A New Brighton mom whose 7-year-old son went missing from a foster home in January has reportedly filed a federal lawsuit against the city. [/URL]





Jennifer Rodriguez, 22, said during a press conference today the Administration for Children's Services was responsible for putting her son into an unfit home instead of with the boy's relatives, according to a report (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.silive.com%2Fnorthsh ore%2Findex.ssf%2F2010%2F10%2Fnew_brighton_mom_rep ortedly_su.html%23modg_smoref_face&t=New%20Brighton%20mom%20reportedly%20sues%20city% 20after%20son%20disappears%20from%20foster%20home% 20%7C%20SILive.com&src=sp) in the New York Post.
"She's trying to get some answers as to how her son went missing," said Robert Osuna, her attorney, according to the report.


[url]http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2010/10/new_brighton_mom_reportedly_su.html

webrocket
10-12-2010, 06:55 PM
- A New Brighton mom whose 7-year-old son went missing from a foster home in January has reportedly filed a federal lawsuit against the city. [/URL]



Jennifer Rodriguez, 22, said during a press conference today the Administration for Children's Services was responsible for putting her son into an unfit home instead of with the boy's relatives, according to a report (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.silive.com%2Fnorthsh ore%2Findex.ssf%2F2010%2F10%2Fnew_brighton_mom_rep ortedly_su.html%23modg_smoref_face&t=New%20Brighton%20mom%20reportedly%20sues%20city% 20after%20son%20disappears%20from%20foster%20home% 20%7C%20SILive.com&src=sp) in the New York Post.
"She's trying to get some answers as to how her son went missing," said Robert Osuna, her attorney, according to the report.


[url]http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2010/10/new_brighton_mom_reportedly_su.html

I knew a lawsuit was coming but I'm not sure what she's expecting from a federal court.

summer_breeze
10-12-2010, 07:28 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7720757

Updated at 05:47 PM today
Tim Fleischer
Web produced by Jennifer Matarese

NEW YORK (WABC) -- It has been nearly nine months since little Patrick Alford disappeared.

His picture has been plastered around in fliers.

Now, there is a renewed effort to find him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-12-2010, 09:44 PM
If only a lawsuit could find Patrick...

webrocket
10-12-2010, 10:10 PM
I figured the bio mom would sue child services for negligence, which of course begs the question of why Patrick went there to begin with, i.e. bio mom's legal problems.

all that aside, there are a few obstacles in her path before she can see any $$$.

if her beef is the fact a judge placed Patrick under the care of the system, as far as I know there is something called judicial immunity that means the judge (and the court system) is not liable for the decisions made in court. so she cannot collect money because the judge "made the wrong decision".

if her beef is that the foster mother lost track of Patrick, then the question becomes should child services have entrusted her with Patrick. it has been claimed by child services that this woman had been a foster mother for like 20 years without incident. IF THAT IS TRUE, and I have no idea if it is, then how would child services be negligent for using her? ordinarily negligence would be just the opposite - entrusting a child with a newbie, someone whose background was not properly checked, or someone who had a questionable track record with placements.

by filing a federal action, I am assuming bio mom is claiming that the placement of Patrick in the system deprived her of some constitutional right of parenthood. the problem with that (if that is the crux of her suit) is that she seemingly had due process of law, i.e. she had notice of the intended action and she had the opportunity to be heard. that she lost is not by itself a basis for a civil rights action.

Goldengoldilocks
10-13-2010, 01:12 AM
has anyone checked to see if BM has ties to the gang involvement? I know that occasionally gang "families" will watch each othere backs.. and not say 2 words about anything. Most city kids are pretty street savvy and if he grew up in a more rundown section of town they seem to be savvier earlier. Just throwing my 2 cents in :)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-13-2010, 11:58 PM
has anyone checked to see if BM has ties to the gang involvement? I know that occasionally gang "families" will watch each othere backs.. and not say 2 words about anything. Most city kids are pretty street savvy and if he grew up in a more rundown section of town they seem to be savvier earlier. Just throwing my 2 cents in :)

I don't recall hearing anything about Patrick's mother being involved with any gangs. Drugs? Yes. But I can't remember anything being said about any gangs. But we do think that Patrick was likely street-smart. Yes still only 7 years old.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Mother of missing foster boy files lawsuit

It has been nearly nine months since little Patrick Alford disappeared.

His picture has been plastered around in fliers.

Now, there is a renewed effort to find him.

"I want my son found. I want my son found. If this is what needs to be done, this is what is going to happen," said Jennifer Rodriguez, Patrick's mother.

Jennifer Rodriguez is now filing a federal lawsuit against New York City, the Administration for Children's Services, a foster mother, and the apartment complex on behalf of her son Patrick, in her latest desperate effort to find him.

"Lawsuits provide answers. Let everyone involved come forward and give testimony under oath, what they know, what information they have as to where Patrick Alford is and how he went missing," said Robert Osuna, an attorney.

More: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7720757

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-14-2010, 12:03 AM
S.I. Mom Files Suit Against NYC In Son’s Disappearance

A Staten Island mother continued her relentless crusade for her missing 7-year-old son Tuesday.

Young Patrick Alford, hasn’t been seen since running away from his Brooklyn foster home in January.

[snip]

Rodriguez’s lawyer noted the NYPD was not named in the lawsuit and that the police department had been cooperative. Instead, the lawyer said, the action was aimed at Child Welfare Services and the foster mother.

More: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/10/12/mom-to-sue-nyc-after-son-goes-missing/

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-14-2010, 12:05 AM
Staten Island mom sues Children's Services over missing son Patrick Alford

A Staten Island mom Tuesday sued the city Administration for Children's Services and a foster parent for failing to protect her son, who has been missing since January.

[snip]

The suit, filed in Brooklyn Federal Court, claims the homesick child had threatened to kill himself and should have been under close supervision. Instead, ACS placed Patrick with Moran even though she spoke little English and he spoke no Spanish.

[snip]

Moran has not been removed from the list of approved foster families, an ACS official said. However, she has not been given any additional foster children, said a source familiar with the case.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/13/2010-10-13_si_ma_sues_acs_over_missing_son.html#ixzz12IpLY nvy

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-14-2010, 12:07 AM
Staten Island mom sues Children's Services over missing son Patrick Alford

A Staten Island mom Tuesday sued the city Administration for Children's Services and a foster parent for failing to protect her son, who has been missing since January.

[snip]

The suit, filed in Brooklyn Federal Court, claims the homesick child had threatened to kill himself and should have been under close supervision. Instead, ACS placed Patrick with Moran even though she spoke little English and he spoke no Spanish.

[snip]

Moran has not been removed from the list of approved foster families, an ACS official said. However, she has not been given any additional foster children, said a source familiar with the case.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/13/2010-10-13_si_ma_sues_acs_over_missing_son.html

watchful_eye
10-14-2010, 11:32 AM
I see Jennifer's point.

1. Yes, they should have placed him with family---IF family members were found capable of caring for him.

2. Yes, Patrick should have been placed with someone who spoke English (that is actually crazy that they placed him with someone that spoke little English, and he spoke no Spanish)

I am still not letting Jennifer off the hook for leading a life that lead to this mess, BUT I will say that CPS/DSS had a HUGE role in his disappearance. Surprise surprise!

webrocket
10-14-2010, 01:33 PM
Staten Island mom sues Children's Services over missing son Patrick Alford

A Staten Island mom Tuesday sued the city Administration for Children's Services and a foster parent for failing to protect her son, who has been missing since January.

[snip]

The suit, filed in Brooklyn Federal Court, claims the homesick child had threatened to kill himself and should have been under close supervision. Instead, ACS placed Patrick with Moran even though she spoke little English and he spoke no Spanish.

[snip]

Moran has not been removed from the list of approved foster families, an ACS official said. However, she has not been given any additional foster children, said a source familiar with the case.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/13/2010-10-13_si_ma_sues_acs_over_missing_son.html#ixzz12IpLY nvy



I think bio mom has one small problem and it is called the Eleventh Amendment, but who knows?

watchful_eye
10-14-2010, 03:02 PM
I think bio mom has one small problem and it is called the Eleventh Amendment, but who knows?

Huh, great point webrocket. I guess we'll find out how far this goes...

CHICANA
10-14-2010, 05:50 PM
I think bio mom has one small problem and it is called the Eleventh Amendment, but who knows?

But she's suing in federal court, I thought the 11th ammendment would only apply if she was suing a state in which she wasn't a citizen ?

Salem
10-14-2010, 05:55 PM
I am just GLAD, GLAD, GLAD she is making a stink and trying to get something moving so her child might be found.

Yes, she was responsible for living a life that put her child in a bad situation, but I am glad to see she is shaking the cobwebs from her head and trying to do something for him now.

Little Patrick needs to come home!

Salem

CHICANA
10-14-2010, 06:07 PM
What the judge said in this case brought tears to my eyes.
Would this suit be similar to the one Patrick's mom filed?

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/parents-wrongly-accused-of-child-abuse/article31773-3.html

Finally, Isaacs filed suit in federal district court against the government, accusing the doctors who had treated Liliana of medical negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress and malicious prosecution.

On October 11, 2005, Isaacs and her co-counsel began laying out the details of how the family had been shattered.

A settlement was reached, but there was no assignment of wrongdoing. The Velasquezes were, however, awarded $950,000. About half went for legal fees and expenses.
As far as is publicly known, no one at the hospitals or in social services was fired or reprimanded. The foster-care giver was not found negligent.

After the papers had been signed, Judge Richard D. Bennett read a statement into the record outlining the "living nightmare" the Velasquezes had endured.
***Then the judge said something rarely heard in a courtroom, "I apologize on behalf of the United States government," and he came down off the bench and shook their hands.

CHICANA
10-14-2010, 06:17 PM
I am just GLAD, GLAD, GLAD she is making a stink and trying to get something moving so her child might be found.

Yes, she was responsible for living a life that put her child in a bad situation, but I am glad to see she is shaking the cobwebs from her head and trying to do something for him now.

Little Patrick needs to come home!

Salem

I'm glad she's making a stink too, but she didn't put Patrick in that foster home.
Bad choices aside, I'm still stuck on the fact that there's no evidence that Patrick was ever abused or neglected until he was taken away from her.
If I remember correctly, she actually asked for help with her addiction problems which is how they knew she had used drugs. IMO, she wanted to change so that she could be a better mother and the state used it against her in order to take her child.
There were so many other and better options.
I wish I could believe that Patrick could come home.

webrocket
10-14-2010, 06:47 PM
But she's suing in federal court, I thought the 11th ammendment would only apply if she was suing a state in which she wasn't a citizen ?

this case is not identical, it did involve the death of a child in foster care and the case was brought in federal court:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1425063.html

mommy23
10-14-2010, 08:29 PM
ok, I have been a lurker for years, and finally decided to join. Patrick tears at my heart. And for Mom to try anything in the world to give him justice, I am happy about. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes big ones. The true judge of character is how we deal with those mistakes after they are made. No matter why, no matter who, Patrick is missing, and someone dropped the ball in his care, and someone should be held responsible. IMO

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-14-2010, 09:32 PM
ok, I have been a lurker for years, and finally decided to join. Patrick tears at my heart. And for Mom to try anything in the world to give him justice, I am happy about. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes big ones. The true judge of character is how we deal with those mistakes after they are made. No matter why, no matter who, Patrick is missing, and someone dropped the ball in his care, and someone should be held responsible. IMO

Welcome, mommy23!!! Glad you decided to start posting! Thanks for joining us on Patrick's case.

Couldn't agree more with your post. :)

mommy23
10-14-2010, 11:28 PM
Im so glad to be here, and wish I had something to offer... ;(

Salem
10-15-2010, 01:13 AM
I wish the foster home would have been investigated. I just think LE should have started there and worked their way out, instead of assuming that mom found a way to get Patrick or that he ran away.

Salem

butterfly1978
10-15-2010, 01:55 AM
I am proud of Jennifer!
I hope she wins, the one thing I have noticed about CPS is they have made a good habit out of NOT protecting our children. Just look at the number of missing or murdered children and then look at how many of those children where "under the supervision" of CPS. You would think that someone would get the hint. I thinkthat there needs to be a thorough investigation of all CPS across the country. I hope Jennifer wins and gets enough money to hire a PI who actually cares about finding Patrick seeing as how LE doesn't and simply wanted to find some way to make this Jennifer's fault.. Just sayin

webrocket
10-15-2010, 06:31 AM
I have felt poor Patrick met up with harm a long time ago and that is a tragedy of the highest proportions.

As for bio mom's lawsuit, there will be no winner, regardless whether she is paid any money or not. I don't think bio mom will ever appreciate her own history of poor decision making that put Patrick in harms way and have cost (and continue to cost) the poor taxpayers a staggering sum of money.

from giving birth at 16, the public assistance she no doubt was collecting, the cost of her own legal problems and jail time, the cost of getting child services involved to begin with, the cost of her false allegations against Patrick's father's girlfriend, once Patrick ran off there is the cost of the police search and now a lawsuit with the possibility of a future payout to bio mom.

I am not against people suing and oft times much good can come from someone standing up to the system. However in this case, once bio mom was going to jail, a court had to decide if her children would stay with other family or go into the foster system. That decision would never have been made if bio mom was not being sent off to jail. Nonetheless, if the judge made the 'wrong' decision to send the children to foster care, that is not a decision that forms a basis of a lawsuit. Judges (and their employers) cannot be sued because they made an erroneous decision.

That leaves bio mom to say that child services picked the wrong foster home. I don't know much about the foster mother other than what's been discussed in the news. Frankly I can't say Patrick was worse off with this foster mother than with his own mother. If the worst thing foster mother did was to answer a cell phone while taking out the garbage with Patrick which gave him a momentary opportunity to run how does that compare to bio mom's history of decision making?

CHICANA
10-16-2010, 01:04 AM
I have felt poor Patrick met up with harm a long time ago and that is a tragedy of the highest proportions.

As for bio mom's lawsuit, there will be no winner, regardless whether she is paid any money or not. I don't think bio mom will ever appreciate her own history of poor decision making that put Patrick in harms way and have cost (and continue to cost) the poor taxpayers a staggering sum of money.

from giving birth at 16, the public assistance she no doubt was collecting, the cost of her own legal problems and jail time, the cost of getting child services involved to begin with, the cost of her false allegations against Patrick's father's girlfriend, once Patrick ran off there is the cost of the police search and now a lawsuit with the possibility of a future payout to bio mom.

I am not against people suing and oft times much good can come from someone standing up to the system. However in this case, once bio mom was going to jail, a court had to decide if her children would stay with other family or go into the foster system. That decision would never have been made if bio mom was not being sent off to jail. Nonetheless, if the judge made the 'wrong' decision to send the children to foster care, that is not a decision that forms a basis of a lawsuit. Judges (and their employers) cannot be sued because they made an erroneous decision.

That leaves bio mom to say that child services picked the wrong foster home. I don't know much about the foster mother other than what's been discussed in the news. Frankly I can't say Patrick was worse off with this foster mother than with his own mother. If the worst thing foster mother did was to answer a cell phone while taking out the garbage with Patrick which gave him a momentary opportunity to run how does that compare to bio mom's history of decision making?

I think children win when state agencies designed to protect them are forced to be held accountable for their actions. If suing is the only way to that, then so be it. Taxpayers should be angry that their money was being wasted on a foster home for a child that wasn't even abused.
I don't think it's fair to state as fact that his mom lied about dad's girlfriend. That was nothing more than an allegation made by a social worker. She was never charged with perjury.
I agree that Jennifer made a horrible choice, she should have known better than to call her government for help. She'd probably know where her child was if she hadn't called child protective services when she wanted help for her drug addiction. She should have read some of the horror stories here on WS, then she would have known how bad CPS is at keeping children safe.

I can say without hesitation that he was way worse off with his foster mother.
This is because I believe Patrick is likely dead because of her decision making.
Jennifer might have made bad choices but he was alive the entire time he was with her and IMO alive is better. Alive with an imperfect parent who made some bad choices is better than dead after being left with a total stranger that he couldn't even understand.

cocolafay
10-16-2010, 01:18 AM
Im so glad to be here, and wish I had something to offer... ;(

Just being here and posting keeps Patrick's case where people notice it. Some day maybe the right person will see it and remember a fact that will help! :angel:

cocolafay
10-16-2010, 01:31 AM
I am doing hospice for a good friend and only get to WSs occasionally to check on Patrick and a few others. I'm so very glad others are posting for him. I'll be back regularly when the time comes.

Please keep watching over him! :angel2:

webrocket
10-16-2010, 11:34 PM
I was trying to see if any of the news stories had a link to a copy of the actual complaint she filed in federal court. so far I found nothing.

if anyone can post a link to it (if such link exists) I would appreciate the ability to see who she is suing and under what theories she is suing each defendant.

AnaTeresa
10-17-2010, 10:50 AM
I took a look at the federal district where she would have filed, webrocket, but it doesn't seem like they are a more public district where you can pull up complaints. I'll keep nosing around, but none of the news articles really give enough info to search for it.

I saw this case linked in the Zahra thread - so sad, and so typical. Our CPS system is broken, and until we fix it, our children will suffer. There can be great foster parents - I lived across the street from one growing up, and there can be diligent caseworkers. Until we fix the system, though, we won't be able to bring up all foster parents and caseworkers to the standard where they should be.

And don't get me started on taking away kids from someone who's asked for help! :banghead:

webrocket
10-17-2010, 01:40 PM
I took a look at the federal district where she would have filed, webrocket, but it doesn't seem like they are a more public district where you can pull up complaints. I'll keep nosing around, but none of the news articles really give enough info to search for it.

I saw this case linked in the Zahra thread - so sad, and so typical. Our CPS system is broken, and until we fix it, our children will suffer. There can be great foster parents - I lived across the street from one growing up, and there can be diligent caseworkers. Until we fix the system, though, we won't be able to bring up all foster parents and caseworkers to the standard where they should be.

And don't get me started on taking away kids from someone who's asked for help! :banghead:

that was the first place I checked, the homepage for the federal district court there in Brooklyn but did not see any public access to filed complaints.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-17-2010, 06:55 PM
I don't know much about who can sue based on what and how and when and why and all that. So I'll just wait to see how this plays out. Hopefully, if nothing else, this lawsuit will continue to get Patrick's face out there in the news. Yes, someone needs to be held accountable for what happened, but the most important thing is finding a missing boy.

belleyes
10-19-2010, 03:37 PM
RANT: this subject tears my heart up, I am so floored to see that Patrick is still missing.
O/T sort of
I just have to defend Childrens Services. I know the system is broken but we cant blame the foster parents we need to revamp the system, and make children a priority in both the cps and criminal systems. IMO we do not value our future generation. I am a foster mom and a social worker (I stay home now with my kids) so, I am VERY familiar with the brokeness of the system. Yes there are definately foster parents who have less than honorable intentions, but the majority just have oversized hearts. The caseworkers are underpaid and overworked. Many times when children are placed their is much more to the story than gets published, because CPS and foster parents are bound by confidentiality therefor you never hear the whole story. ( I've experienced this personally with the 2 kids I adopted, bio-mom was portrayed in news as a hero who reported the child porn her bf was making. noone ever found out she actually took the pics while perp raped the kids.) ---I am no longer bound by confidentiallity as they are MY kids now. Long Story Short---dont always believe what you read, or hear. I am in no way saying that this applies to this case, as I do not know the players. It is very odd that CPS placed a english speaker with a non-english speaking family. Unfortunately foster parenting involves taking some of the most damaged kids into your home and trying to show them normalcy----this isnt very appealing to many people so CPS has to decide place a child in non-english home or put them in a "shelter" program. A home is a much better choice. Children are "matched" with a foster home by
1. available space (not over state limits of # of kids)
2. age and sex (foster homes choose the age and sex they will except)
3. disabilities or abuse issues (some kids cannot be placed in certain homes because of
their potential to "act out" [a common behavior of abuse victims] sexually or
violently)

CHICANA
10-21-2010, 01:48 PM
RANT: this subject tears my heart up, I am so floored to see that Patrick is still missing.
O/T sort of
I just have to defend Childrens Services. I know the system is broken but we cant blame the foster parents we need to revamp the system, and make children a priority in both the cps and criminal systems. IMO we do not value our future generation. I am a foster mom and a social worker (I stay home now with my kids) so, I am VERY familiar with the brokeness of the system. Yes there are definately foster parents who have less than honorable intentions, but the majority just have oversized hearts. The caseworkers are underpaid and overworked. Many times when children are placed their is much more to the story than gets published, because CPS and foster parents are bound by confidentiality therefor you never hear the whole story. ( I've experienced this personally with the 2 kids I adopted, bio-mom was portrayed in news as a hero who reported the child porn her bf was making. noone ever found out she actually took the pics while perp raped the kids.) ---I am no longer bound by confidentiallity as they are MY kids now. Long Story Short---dont always believe what you read, or hear. I am in no way saying that this applies to this case, as I do not know the players. It is very odd that CPS placed a english speaker with a non-english speaking family. Unfortunately foster parenting involves taking some of the most damaged kids into your home and trying to show them normalcy----this isnt very appealing to many people so CPS has to decide place a child in non-english home or put them in a "shelter" program. A home is a much better choice. Children are "matched" with a foster home by
1. available space (not over state limits of # of kids)
2. age and sex (foster homes choose the age and sex they will except)
3. disabilities or abuse issues (some kids cannot be placed in certain homes because of
their potential to "act out" [a common behavior of abuse victims] sexually or
violently)

Was the bio-mom ever charged for taking the pornographic pictures ?

summer_breeze
10-23-2010, 05:27 PM
http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/top_stories/127673/family-offers-reward-for-information-on-missing-boy

4:59 PM

Family Offers Reward For Information On Missing Boy
By: NY1 News


The family of a boy who has been missing since January announced Saturday that it is offering a reward in hopes of finding him.

Patrick Alford Junior’s family is offering $50,000 for any information leading to his recovery.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-23-2010, 07:36 PM
Family Offers Reward For Information On Missing Boy

The family of a boy who has been missing since January announced Saturday that it is offering a reward in hopes of finding him.

Patrick Alford Junior’s family is offering $50,000 for any information leading to his recovery.

[snip]

The money raised by the family will be combined with the police department's reward of $12,000.

http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/top_stories/127673/family-offers-reward-for-information-on-missing-boy

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
10-30-2010, 02:03 PM
Jennifer Rodriguez, mother of missing 7-year-old Patrick Alford, ups reward money in hunt for son

The mom of a missing 7-year-old boy announced an extra $50,000 reward for his return.

In hopes of bringing Patrick Alford home, Jennifer Rodriguez's uncle put up savings and raised more from relatives of the boy, who vanished without a trace in January.

"I need people to know my son is missing, and I know somebody knows something about my son, and nobody is saying anything," said Rodriguez, 23, breaking into tears. "I will do anything in the world to feel my son, to hear his voice."


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/24/2010-10-24_ma_offers_more_reward_money_to_find_missing_boy .html#ixzz13rmHZLE6


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/10/24/alg_patrick_alford_missing.jpg
Siegel for News
Jennifer Rodriguez (center holding sign), the mother of Patrick Alford, 7, with supporters before leading a march across the Brooklyn Bridge to raise awareness of her missing son.

Fyrecat
11-01-2010, 03:00 PM
I am proud of Jennifer!
I hope she wins, the one thing I have noticed about CPS is they have made a good habit out of NOT protecting our children. Just look at the number of missing or murdered children and then look at how many of those children where "under the supervision" of CPS. You would think that someone would get the hint. I thinkthat there needs to be a thorough investigation of all CPS across the country. I hope Jennifer wins and gets enough money to hire a PI who actually cares about finding Patrick seeing as how LE doesn't and simply wanted to find some way to make this Jennifer's fault.. Just sayin

Hi, I am new to this thread, having been following the Britanee Drexel case as well as a couple others. However, this is a topic I know a bit about, being I work in the social service field.

Many of the kids who go 'missing' or 'awol' are often in their teens. When this happens, there is very little that can be done, aside from putting out warrants with court. Many teens don't want the supervision of a foster home, or just don't want to have to abide by rules.

In my years in 'the field' I've seen only 2 children that 'dissapeared'. I mean kids under 12. It turned out that one was taken by a parent, after a visit. The other did in fact run away, to a relative's home. That child was about 10 as I recall. Both were eventually returned, after police involvement.

I don't know the young woman in question, but I would wonder:

1) If mom isn't involved, what about the father of this child?
2) If not the father, what about any relatives that have an interest in this child.
3) Has anyone spoken with any children this child knew? Went to school with?

I believe that it's someone who probably knew this child thats involved.

mommy23
11-07-2010, 07:14 PM
Bumpidty bump...
The 3rd page will not do for our dear Patrick!

Someone has gt to know something, somewhere.....

Wondergirl
11-08-2010, 12:59 PM
I just heard of Patrick's case, since Mommy23 bumped it up.

OMG, my stomach just lurched as I read some details of this boy's case.

What are the general theories here on the boy?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-08-2010, 02:51 PM
I just heard of Patrick's case, since Mommy23 bumped it up.

OMG, my stomach just lurched as I read some details of this boy's case.

What are the general theories here on the boy?

Thanks for joining us here on Patrick's case, Wondergirl!

At first, a major theory was that Patrick's bio mom may have had something to do with it. Now, that is seeming less and less likely.

Personally, I think he did TRY to run away back to his mother. He may have even made it onto a city bus. But I don't think he ever made it to his mother or anyone else. And I feel he likely met with something horrible since. Still have hope for him, though.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-08-2010, 02:55 PM
Hi, I am new to this thread, having been following the Britanee Drexel case as well as a couple others. However, this is a topic I know a bit about, being I work in the social service field.

Many of the kids who go 'missing' or 'awol' are often in their teens. When this happens, there is very little that can be done, aside from putting out warrants with court. Many teens don't want the supervision of a foster home, or just don't want to have to abide by rules.

In my years in 'the field' I've seen only 2 children that 'dissapeared'. I mean kids under 12. It turned out that one was taken by a parent, after a visit. The other did in fact run away, to a relative's home. That child was about 10 as I recall. Both were eventually returned, after police involvement.

I don't know the young woman in question, but I would wonder:

1) If mom isn't involved, what about the father of this child?
2) If not the father, what about any relatives that have an interest in this child.
3) Has anyone spoken with any children this child knew? Went to school with?

I believe that it's someone who probably knew this child thats involved.

Hi Fyrecat! Welcome to Patrick's thread, also!

Regarding your points about family, I think that Patrick's entire family, including his father, aunts and uncles, and even extended family have been checked out thoroughly. And although it hasn't been said, IMO I think Patrick likely had to switch schools when he moved in with his foster mother. As he had only been there a short time, he probably didn't know very many kids. Perhaps he was in contact (phone, etc.) with friends from his old school? Something to check out, perhaps.

CHICANA
11-08-2010, 11:52 PM
I'm not seeing Jennifer as a serious drug addict. I'm thinking a tragedy like this would cause a crack or meth addict to fall off the wagon. She seems pretty strong to me, and it's obvious she loved Patrick dearly. It doesn't make sense that someone who loves their child this much could have him taken away.
Where are the state workers who were supposedly looking out for his best interests ?
I don't see them looking for him or hear them crying for him. I don't see the foster mom who lost him, looking for him either.

butterfly1978
11-09-2010, 03:08 AM
we seriously need to try and figure out a way to renew intrest in this case... does anyone have any ideas? Patrick deserves as much attention as Caylee, Haleigh, Zahra or any other missing child, is it just me or does it appear that African American boys rarely receive the same attention as white girls... honestly boys in general receive little attention , excluding Kyron, but I feel the only reason he got attention is because he went missing from a school.

watchful_eye
11-09-2010, 12:57 PM
Yes butterfly1978, it is true that missing/endangered minority children/adults from lower socio-economic backgrounds are often swept under the rug because the common consensus is that there is "no hope" for them anyway, based on their upbringing/background. This is truly terrible. Everyone matters. Every CHILD matters. Their FAMILIES matter.

I've been honest on this thread in my disappointment in Patrick's mother, for leading a life that lead to Patrick getting taken away. But just because Patrick had a tumultuous upbringing, means nothing in regard to CONTINUING to keep him safe and feeling LOVED. Patrick did NOT deserve this and he DOES DESERVE TO BE FOUND.

Clearly, Jennifer is making amends, fighting for her son, and frankly, CPS is more at fault than she is (they took him and just tossed him with someone that barely speaks English). G-d willing Jennifer will get Patrick back (he will be alive), and when she does, she will hold on to him for dear life and clean up her act.

In regards to Patrick's whereabouts, sadly, I feel that when he ran away from his foster home, in attempt to go back to his mom, he met with fate on the way, perhaps a stranger/child molestor, or drug dealer that knew he could be sold for cash/drugs.

Often times when children run away, they, being vulnerable and alone, come across unsavory people/situations, and their fate is sealed. Such terrible tragedies.

I do not think Patrick is alive, but BOY DO I HOPE I AM WRONG. No matter the outcome, I hope he is FOUND soon.

I don't think Jennifer will win her lawsuit---BUT---I hope she does, and uses the money to set up funds for both Patrick and her little daughter. CPS screws up so much, they technically owe MILLIONS to surviving family members and custodial parents who watched their kids/loved ones remain in dangerous situations, with DSS/CPS doing little to nothing to help.

webrocket
11-09-2010, 01:09 PM
I too feared the worst almost from the beginning and my thought was that he was offered a ride by a creep who harmed him.

having said that, I'm not going to reiterate my earlier comments about his mother.

this case should have received more attention from the start but with so little to go on I think it would be hard now to gather the type of interest missing white children receive here and in the general press. the disparity in coverage is quite apparent and tragic.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-09-2010, 04:34 PM
we seriously need to try and figure out a way to renew intrest in this case... does anyone have any ideas? Patrick deserves as much attention as Caylee, Haleigh, Zahra or any other missing child, is it just me or does it appear that African American boys rarely receive the same attention as white girls... honestly boys in general receive little attention , excluding Kyron, but I feel the only reason he got attention is because he went missing from a school.

I, too, wish we could get interest in Patrick's case. He deserves just as much attention as Kyron does. Two 7-year-old boys disappeared. They deserve the same respect and attention, regardless of what the adults in their lives did, regardless of their race. They are CHILDREN and they both need to be found.

CHICANA
11-09-2010, 09:43 PM
I, too, wish we could get interest in Patrick's case. He deserves just as much attention as Kyron does. Two 7-year-old boys disappeared. They deserve the same respect and attention, regardless of what the adults in their lives did, regardless of their race. They are CHILDREN and they both need to be found.

IMO, the state would prefer this to go away. They lost him, and while they'll hold a parent accountable for every mistake they make, they're not held accountable for anything.
We can keep Patrick in the spotlight by keeping the system in the spotlight. The state decided it should become Patrick's parent, and in doing so, was obligated to make sure he was safe. Where are they now ?
His mother and family are the only ones looking for him. If CPS and the family court had had their way, his mom would be in jail and this case would be getting even less attention.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-10-2010, 03:33 PM
IMO, the state would prefer this to go away. They lost him, and while they'll hold a parent accountable for every mistake they make, they're not held accountable for anything.
We can keep Patrick in the spotlight by keeping the system in the spotlight. The state decided it should become Patrick's parent, and in doing so, was obligated to make sure he was safe. Where are they now ?
His mother and family are the only ones looking for him. If CPS and the family court had had their way, his mom would be in jail and this case would be getting even less attention.

No doubt in my mind that you are right, Chicana. It's sickening. They want this to go away. Along with the thousands of other CPS cases that never get any attention. You know, instead of trying to cover their butts, they could actually try to help find Patrick. Give themselves a GOOD image, instead of trying to hide a bad one.

CHICANA
11-10-2010, 11:54 PM
No doubt in my mind that you are right, Chicana. It's sickening. They want this to go away. Along with the thousands of other CPS cases that never get any attention. You know, instead of trying to cover their butts, they could actually try to help find Patrick. Give themselves a GOOD image, instead of trying to hide a bad one.

I'd be speechless for the first time in my life if they actually took responsibility and played an active role in trying to find him.
They have the resources and could do a lot of good if they really wanted to.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-11-2010, 03:41 PM
Little Patrick's 8th birthday is coming up this month. Hoping that he is found soon and can be home for that.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Yes butterfly1978, it is true that missing/endangered minority children/adults from lower socio-economic backgrounds are often swept under the rug because the common consensus is that there is "no hope" for them anyway, based on their upbringing/background. This is truly terrible. Everyone matters. Every CHILD matters. Their FAMILIES matter.

Respectfully snipped. Found this article while searching for news on another missing minority boy in Florida, Adji Desir. BBM.



Media needs to be colorblind

Judging solely from the media, most victims of crime or missing people are young, pretty white girls, but that's not true at all.

[snip]

For example, a study conducted by the International Communication Association found that 32.9 percent of missing children are African-American, but only 21.2 percent of those children are covered by the news media.

The study concluded: "In particular, it was found that when a large number of African-American missing children are missing in reality, they are significantly underrepresented in television news."

The media puts an emphasis on victims they think will be marketable, which gives the public a skewed perception of crime statistics.

This practice is deplorable, and as a media organization, we are speaking out against it.

More: http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/media-needs-to-be-colorblind-1.2401091

Fyrecat
11-16-2010, 04:06 PM
I'm not seeing Jennifer as a serious drug addict. I'm thinking a tragedy like this would cause a crack or meth addict to fall off the wagon. She seems pretty strong to me, and it's obvious she loved Patrick dearly. It doesn't make sense that someone who loves their child this much could have him taken away.
Where are the state workers who were supposedly looking out for his best interests ?
I don't see them looking for him or hear them crying for him. I don't see the foster mom who lost him, looking for him either.

Because these workers aren't allowed to make statements!
I can tell you, most care VERY MUCH about the children on their cases.

I wonder if FM had any other Foster children this young guy might have spoken to?

I am leery of the bio family. Sorry, but there may be some 'extended' family who feel keeping Patrick away from mom, and maybe sprinting him off to another country, such as DR or somewhere like PR might 'help' the child.

Fyrecat
11-16-2010, 04:10 PM
There is something 'odd' about this case:

1) Based on what I've read, bio mom appears a bit unstable. She appears to have been in at least one fight, and she may have issues with anger we don't know about.

2) Where is dad? Was there a man involved in mom's life at the time?

3) Was there a relative this child was particularly close to? Or a friend?

Fyrecat
11-16-2010, 04:29 PM
I see Jennifer's point.

1. Yes, they should have placed him with family---IF family members were found capable of caring for him.

2. Yes, Patrick should have been placed with someone who spoke English (that is actually crazy that they placed him with someone that spoke little English, and he spoke no Spanish)

I am still not letting Jennifer off the hook for leading a life that lead to this mess, BUT I will say that CPS/DSS had a HUGE role in his disappearance. Surprise surprise!


CPS/DSS workers in NY usually see their families a few times a month. They see FC, if I am not mistaken, 2 x a month in the home. Sometimes it's more often, as they also are responsible for keeping up with other appointments, such as school meetings, doctors appointments, counseling appointments, etc.

It's been my experience that bio parents and families are sometimes more involved than they say when kids are in care. This isn't to point fingers, it's because I know it to be true from experience.

It would be my guess that the family would somehow be involved...why? 1) This child was old enough not to go off with people he didn't know. He would draw attention to himself in some way if he made too much of a 'fuss'.
2) Even here in large, 'impersonal' NY, I think people would get their 'hinky-ness' up if a child appeared with an adult carrying on badly, and someone might say something, either to the person with the child, or to someone else. (I was on a train one time when a white man of middle age got on with two little girls of color. He wasn't very nice to them, snapping at them, and appeared very shady. At least 6 of us on that car were staring and I and 3 others got off and spoke with a police officer who was nearby).

I really believe that there is more to this case. I work with kids, and yes, sadly, children of this age DO RUN AWAY!!!! Sometimes with pre-arrangement with adults who have told them where to meet them, how to get there, and may even have arranged to meet them nearby.

I wonder, too, was mom ever involved in gang activity?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-21-2010, 11:38 PM
It would be my guess that the family would somehow be involved...why? 1) This child was old enough not to go off with people he didn't know. He would draw attention to himself in some way if he made too much of a 'fuss'.
2) Even here in large, 'impersonal' NY, I think people would get their 'hinky-ness' up if a child appeared with an adult carrying on badly, and someone might say something, either to the person with the child, or to someone else. (I was on a train one time when a white man of middle age got on with two little girls of color. He wasn't very nice to them, snapping at them, and appeared very shady. At least 6 of us on that car were staring and I and 3 others got off and spoke with a police officer who was nearby).

I really believe that there is more to this case. I work with kids, and yes, sadly, children of this age DO RUN AWAY!!!! Sometimes with pre-arrangement with adults who have told them where to meet them, how to get there, and may even have arranged to meet them nearby.

I wonder, too, was mom ever involved in gang activity?

Respectfully snipped. Also, not trying to argue. Just throwing some other ideas out there.

1) Yes, I don't believe Patrick would have *intentionally* gone with someone he didn't know. However, he may have been tricked by someone seeming "official", like a bus driver. Or, he could have been grabbed quickly. Unfortunately, we know it happens all the time. Somer Thompson disappeared in the middle of the afternoon walking home from school. No one saw it happen, or saw her making a "fuss".

2) I agree. But I don't think anyone would have just been walking down the street or sitting on the subway with Patrick.

Most kids of this age who "run away", do it for a few hours. Then they get scared, hungry, tired, etc. and go home. Patrick has been gone for 10 months tomorrow. He didn't do this on his own.

But meeting an adult that he knew is an idea that has been thrown around. Very possible. BUT...I just don't think it was his mother. She would have screwed up and gone to see him by now. Once she felt "safe" and thought the police had stopped following her, she would have seen him. Also, why not tell Patrick to bring his sister? And all of the known relatives have been investigated repeatedly. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying...

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-22-2010, 02:20 PM
10 months tonight. Come home soon, Patrick. :(

CHICANA
11-22-2010, 03:59 PM
Because these workers aren't allowed to make statements!
I can tell you, most care VERY MUCH about the children on their cases.

I wonder if FM had any other Foster children this young guy might have spoken to?

I am leery of the bio family. Sorry, but there may be some 'extended' family who feel keeping Patrick away from mom, and maybe sprinting him off to another country, such as DR or somewhere like PR might 'help' the child.

They don't have to make a statement to look for him.

How would the 'extended family' know when the foster mom was going to take out her trash and 'lose' Patrick ?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-23-2010, 05:52 PM
Patrick has been missing for 10 months now. Come home soon, little guy. :(

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-25-2010, 11:56 AM
Happy Thanksgiving, Patrick.

summer_breeze
11-26-2010, 06:54 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mom_day_tears_S1kXjn0DKsvlYIcYyzKTlO

By C.J. SULLIVAN, LARRY CELONA and LEONARD GREENE
Last Updated: 6:29 AM, November 26, 2010
Posted: 2:07 AM, November 26, 2010

Jennifer Rodriguez remembers her son, Patrick Alford, blowing out the candles on his white-frosted birthday cake last year, then rushing out to play on his brand-new skateboard.

But there will be no cake for his birthday Sunday. Two months after the Staten Island boy turned 7, he vanished.

summer_breeze
11-26-2010, 07:51 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2010/11/26/2010-11-26_mom_blames_faulty_security_cams_at_bklyn_comple x_sues_over_missing_boy.html

BY John Marzulli
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, November 26th 2010, 4:00 AM

Starrett City is trying to squash a federal lawsuit that accuses the Brooklyn housing complex of negligence in the disappearance of 7-year-old Patrick Alford.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-26-2010, 01:00 PM
Mom of missing boy Patrick Alford, 7, blames complex's faulty security cameras for disappearance

Starrett City is trying to squash a federal lawsuit that accuses the Brooklyn housing complex of negligence in the disappearance of 7-year-old Patrick Alford.

The suit, filed by Jennifer Rodriguez, the mother of the boy missing since January, claims security cameras were not working at 130 Vandalia Ave. "and failed to capture the entry and exit of persons entering and exiting the building."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2010/11/26/2010-11-26_mom_blames_faulty_security_cams_at_bklyn_comple x_sues_over_missing_boy.html#ixzz16PdigT3h

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-26-2010, 01:03 PM
Mom mourns son, missing for nearly a year

Jennifer Rodriguez remembers her son, Patrick Alford, blowing out the candles on his white-frosted birthday cake last year, then rushing out to play on his brand-new skateboard.

But there will be no cake for his birthday Sunday. Two months after the Staten Island boy turned 7, he vanished.

And despite one of the police department's most exhaustive searches in missing-person memory, including 1,000 interviews, and queries as far away as Florida and Puerto Rico, Patrick is no closer to being found than the day he disappeared from the Brooklyn foster home, where he was staying after Rodriguez lost custody.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mom_day_tears_S1kXjn0DKsvlYIcYyzKTlO#ixzz16PedMXdR

webrocket
11-26-2010, 02:16 PM
Mom of missing boy Patrick Alford, 7, blames complex's faulty security cameras for disappearance

Starrett City is trying to squash a federal lawsuit that accuses the Brooklyn housing complex of negligence in the disappearance of 7-year-old Patrick Alford.

The suit, filed by Jennifer Rodriguez, the mother of the boy missing since January, claims security cameras were not working at 130 Vandalia Ave. "and failed to capture the entry and exit of persons entering and exiting the building."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2010/11/26/2010-11-26_mom_blames_faulty_security_cams_at_bklyn_comple x_sues_over_missing_boy.html#ixzz16PdigT3h



I'd still love to read the entire complaint. not sure where to find it and I'm not sure why it's in federal court. that part stumped me from the beginning.

if Starrett City does not have security cameras then the allegation should have been inadequate security as opposed to negligently maintaining existing security systems.

the whole problem here is that the chain of events began with bio mom and her interactions with child services then the courts.

I have no problem with litigation as it often gets to answers that people can't get otherwise. for example, making child services explain the placement with this foster mom and making the foster mom give sworn testimony about what happened that day. beyond that, I still think that bio mom's beef is with the decision to take her children from her, which was a judicial decision and as far as I know, she cannot sue a judge for what she thinks is a wrong decision.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-26-2010, 10:04 PM
I'm not sure that she has much to go on in her complaint, either. However, if I were Patrick's mother, I'm sure I'd be grasping at anything and everything, too.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-28-2010, 02:45 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/birthday.jpg?t=1290973484

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-28-2010, 02:45 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/birthday.jpg?t=1290973484

CHICANA
11-29-2010, 12:03 AM
I'd still love to read the entire complaint. not sure where to find it and I'm not sure why it's in federal court. that part stumped me from the beginning.

if Starrett City does not have security cameras then the allegation should have been inadequate security as opposed to negligently maintaining existing security systems.

the whole problem here is that the chain of events began with bio mom and her interactions with child services then the courts.

I have no problem with litigation as it often gets to answers that people can't get otherwise. for example, making child services explain the placement with this foster mom and making the foster mom give sworn testimony about what happened that day. beyond that, I still think that bio mom's beef is with the decision to take her children from her, which was a judicial decision and as far as I know, she cannot sue a judge for what she thinks is a wrong decision.

Is she suing a judge ?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-29-2010, 03:31 PM
Is she suing a judge ?

She is suing Administration for Children's Services and the apartment complex. Not sure if there is anything else as we haven't seen the full complaint.

webrocket
11-29-2010, 03:47 PM
Is she suing a judge ?

I doubt it.

my commentary was more directed to the quirks of suing in federal court. to sue there, as opposed to state court, usually you have to sue under either a federal statute or vindicate a federal constitutional right. I don't see either at play here, but without seeing the complaint itself, it is unclear why she chose federal courts.

if she was claiming that her constitutional rights to her child were violated, that decision was made by a judge and I don't see her winning in ANY court based on that. if we are talking about an ordinary negligence claim, those are usually brought in state court.

Child services claimed the foster mother had been successfully caring for children for 20 years. if the litigation process proves that to be false, then bio mom may have a strong case of negligence against child services. if however the opposite is true, that she had been an exemplary foster mother then I don't see any negligence on the part of child services with that placement.

it is a more complex question if child services relied upon information it knew was false. then again the finger can be pointed at the entity.

the reality is that even biological parents can take their eyes off their own children for one minute and harm can befall them. we saw that in the Missouri case where a woman wasa shopping with another woman she knew and went to the bathroom. while she was indisposed, the other woman took her child from the store and drove off. luckily that child was found (if my memory is correct)

Kimster
11-30-2010, 08:44 PM
Patrick is our featured cold case for this week.

http://websleuths.com/wsblog/?p=37&preview=true

www.websleuths.com

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-01-2010, 02:02 PM
Kimster, thank you so much for spotlighting Patrick!!!

Mendara
12-02-2010, 04:52 PM
This boy is so adorable. I live in NYC and I know this complex well it - is large - overwhleming and the area around it is terrible. I fear he may have walked away but ran into evil before he even had a chance. IMO

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-03-2010, 12:07 AM
Thanks for joining us on Patrick's thread, Mendara. I have the same feelings you do. :(

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-04-2010, 10:53 PM
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc111/forthemissing_photos/20Lastvisit3.jpg?t=1291520953

From Patrick's last visit with his mother. Obviously sad to see her go. :(

http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-pix-investigates-missing-boy,0,5547988.story

belleyes
12-05-2010, 04:15 PM
Was the bio-mom ever charged for taking the pornographic pictures ?

Not yet!!!!
(sorry this took forever, I havent been on since this post)
It has been 5 years and everytime we question the FBI, and local LE everyone is vague. I was told that she probably copped a plea deal with Feds in exchange for her testimony (she was writing love letters to perp in jail yet she was preped to take the stand against him ----sounds like a deal to me) We were also told that as soon as more info comes out from my children ( in therapy) they (local LE) will bust her, but they do not want to waist charges on a misdemeanor, they want felony charges so she can sit in jail a long time with her perp ex-bf who's 3yrs into a 25yr federal sentence. It is my personal goal to see that my children get justice for what they have survived.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-10-2010, 03:11 AM
I saw a story run on HLN this morning about a little 2-year-old child in Miami (?) that got on a city bus all alone. It took "a while" for anyone to say anything. The little guy just hopped on and rode around the city.

If Patrick did make it to get on a bus, I'm not entirely sure that someone would have said something right away. Even at night. JMO.

summer_breeze
12-14-2010, 01:51 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mother_of_missing_staten_island_8HcO8aNMFMzh3S5VrP Y1LK

By DOUG AUER
Last Updated: 1:32 PM, December 14, 2010
Posted: 1:23 PM, December 14, 2010

A Staten Island mother whose young son disappeared earlier this year and has yet to be found has been arrested for threatening a friend with a kitchen knife, authorities said.

ruthieroo
12-14-2010, 11:31 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_jennifer_rodriguez_mom_of_missing_boy_patrick_a lford_arrested_for_pulling_knife_.html

Missing boy's mom arrested for pulling a knife on her boyfriend...

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 12:36 AM
Awww come on Jennifer. You're making it really hard for me to stick up for you.


Mother of missing Staten Island boy arrested for knife threat

A Staten Island mother whose young son disappeared earlier this year and has yet to be found has been arrested for threatening a friend with a kitchen knife, authorities said.

“You’re not getting you’re f---ing money back,” an enraged Jennifer Rodriguez shouted at the victim when he showed up at her New Brighton house yesterday at 7:55 p.m. looking for his lost wallet, according to court papers.

Rodriquez, 23, then menacingly waved the blade at the man, who had slept over the night before, sources said. It’s unknown if the two are romantically involved, sources added.

The woman told cops she only grabbed the knife because she was afraid, sources said.

[snip]

Rodriguez's arraignment was delayed because she was taken to Richmond University Medical Center with an undisclosed ailment, according to the DA's spokesman. She was later transferred to Emhurst Medical Center in Queens.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mother_of_missing_staten_island_8HcO8aNMFMzh3S5VrP Y1LK#ixzz189iQHtTA

webrocket
12-15-2010, 08:32 AM
Awww come on Jennifer. You're making it really hard for me to stick up for you.

and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?

peeples
12-15-2010, 08:56 AM
and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?


NO that would be the mother's fault UNLESS she has willing relatives step forward and the kid is placed in foster care anyway. However if her little girl goes missing while taking out the trash at the foster home, then yep, That is CPS's fault as well as the foster parents.

webrocket
12-15-2010, 09:02 AM
my more basic point has been that the bio mom has made a series of poor life choices over the years which apparently continue to this day. these decisions get state and city officials involved with her children and anything can happen.

I'm not excusing anything child services may have done with Patrick but bio mom's suit is not by any means a slam dunk. this continued behavior on her part (in my view) only bolster's the state's original decision to put the kids in foster care.

as for family members taking in her child or children, who knows how fit they are? child service records are ordinarily sealed and not publicly available. who knows if there are past or present files for the people bio mom wanted to entrust her children to?

Mendara
12-15-2010, 10:06 AM
My heart breaks for this little baby. I have two boys of my own and mommy is everything to them. I can't imagine being so messed up that my babies have to suffer and be placed in a foster home and then go missing in a dangerous neighborhood, alone and cold.

I look at little faces in hopes of seeing him around the neighborhood. Just because you are poor and live in apoor area does not mean you are a bad mother. I have seen mothers in these areas love their children and give them a stable home.

You are a bad mother because you DON'T try and she never tried and is still not. MO

Fyrecat
12-15-2010, 10:23 AM
my more basic point has been that the bio mom has made a series of poor life choices over the years which apparently continue to this day. these decisions get state and city officials involved with her children and anything can happen.

I'm not excusing anything child services may have done with Patrick but bio mom's suit is not by any means a slam dunk. this continued behavior on her part (in my view) only bolster's the state's original decision to put the kids in foster care.

as for family members taking in her child or children, who knows how fit they are? child service records are ordinarily sealed and not publicly available. who knows if there are past or present files for the people bio mom wanted to entrust her children to?


Sigh.

I work with folks like this every day. I feel sorry for the mom. She is a person who is living a life that is not one that's easy, or one most people know about.
Imagine waking up every day in an apartment surrounded by gunshots outside. Imagine you make sure you get home every day before dark, because that's when it really gets dangerous outside.

Imagine having to negotiate that with children. I have a mom who's instructed her kids to hit the floor when they hear loud noises in case 'something happens'.

I have worked with very poor folks, in some very sketchy areas of town. Most would love better. Most don't know how to get out of their lives. Some are effected by drug addiction. Some have other issues that keep them there, things its hard for us to understand unless we've been there.

That said, this mom sounds like she lives a life that is challenging, with not very many people to trust. Obviously, because of her missing child, and her speaking out about her feelings on it, she's now got attention on her for anything else that happens in her life. I hope that this little boy is found, and returns home to his mom. I'm sure she does the best she can, and hope that she has a better year ahead. I hope that Patrick turns up safe and sound somewhere.

I still wonder, though, if someone with connections to the family doesn't know 'something'.

peeples
12-15-2010, 10:30 AM
I was a foster child growing up and I've adopted from the foster care system. A LOT of kids are better off left at home with family intervention services then placed in foster care.
Just try googling some statistics on the futures of foster kids... These ARE NOT exact numbers, but foster kids have a 4x greater chance of suffering from PTSD then war veterans, they stand a 60% great risk of being sexually abused than children left in their homes. 50% great chance of being physically abused then kids left with their parents.... they only have a 50/50 shot of even graduation high school, 20% or more end up teenage mothers...
I will not go into details of my own situation at this time, but for my mom smacking me once when I was a kid, I sure as heck paid the price and will continue to for the rest of my life, just for the state to be in the "right".

JLMcKenna83
12-15-2010, 11:04 AM
How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

I live in an apartment building in Central NY and they aren't required to maintain any type of security system. I could understand the lawsuit if there was a law requiring them to maintain/have a security system, but I can't find one. And since the mother didn't live in the building, she can't sue for any kind of breach of a lease due to the security system.

I still think Patrick is near the building he disappeared from. Whether some pervert snatched him up or he simply got lost and succumbed to the elements. I also don't think anyone in his bio-family knows where he is. FWIW, I think they should go over the area with cadaver dogs. (I hate feeling/thinking this way but honestly, it's been almost a year, if Patrick is out there alive, it would be a statistical anomaly.)

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 03:03 PM
and if I recall she had another run in arguing with another woman over a man a few short months after Patrick disappeared.

I suppose if she does time for this, it will be Child Service's fault if her daughter gets placed in foster care?

Her daughter is in the care of her father, so it's a moot point.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 03:08 PM
How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

No. There was video of his foster mother searching for him (my guess would be from other surrounding businesses' cameras). But they never released if Patrick was seen on any video or not.

webrocket
12-15-2010, 04:12 PM
How can Patrick's mother sue the building management company about the security system? IIRC, wasn't there video of Patrick leaving the building?

this was a point addressed earlier in the thread. as I recall her lawyers alleged that Starrett City negligently maintained its security system when Starrett City claims it has none. I don't know which version is correct, however, the bigger picture (in my view) is that bio mom is blaming everyone but herself for what transpired. I suppose it's only the usual course of business for her lawyers to do so (and I'm not trashing lawyers) but if this case ever goes to a jury, they will no doubt look at the entire sequence of events and who knows how much blame will be placed on her as opposed to child services.

JLMcKenna83
12-15-2010, 04:27 PM
I thought there was video of her on the phone in the hallway of the building... (maybe thats the one we're both talking about?)... (I've also read several places that there are no cameras...)

But the only videos I'm finding after searching the net are just ones talking about Patrick's mother, and some of the early coverage. I cant even find the one you're talking about to see if we are speaking of the same one.


Well anyways... I think the lawsuit is complete carp. I'm not sure if the cameras from inside the building (working or not) would really be much help. (unless they showed someone scooping him up or someone disposing of him) I think it would be pretty gutsy to snatch a child in your own apt building & dispose of him there. From what I understand, the complex has it's own "police force" and there's always people milling about.

This is what I don't understand, why isn't she suing CPS & the foster mom? They were the one's responsible for Patrick's safety... (Of course, his mother was as well, and maybe if she would have thought about her decisions prior to Patrick being removed he'd be home, happy, and healthy tonight.)

(I'm not bashing her, I'm just saying maybe she should take a long hard look in the mirror before she blames anyone for what happened, because honestly, this was all avoidable.)

This is what I don't understand... Patrick's father says the foster mom's story doesn't sound right. ("Why would she take the child to the trash compactor when he was threatening to run away") That sounds right to me. If a child is threatening to run away you want to keep an eye on them. What I don't understand is why not just use the trash chute on your own floor instead of going down to the lobby?

And then, there was video of a boy with a woman on the Staten Island ferry who fit Patrick's description, yet the family insisted that it wasn't him. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that it was possibly him, just to get it looked into?? (Maybe LE could have had a press release asking the woman to contact police so they could verify that it wasn't Patrick??) Seems to be a pretty big coincidence that a child fitting Patrick's description is seen on the ferry that happens to go to where his mom lives.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 04:38 PM
I thought there was video of her on the phone in the hallway of the building... (maybe thats the one we're both talking about?)... (I've also read several places that there are no cameras...)

But the only videos I'm finding after searching the net are just ones talking about Patrick's mother, and some of the early coverage. I cant even find the one you're talking about to see if we are speaking of the same one.

AFAIK, they never showed the video. They just mentioned it in an article. I have to get to work, but I'll see if I can find it tonight.

Well anyways... I think the lawsuit is complete carp. I'm not sure if the cameras from inside the building (working or not) would really be much help. (unless they showed someone scooping him up or someone disposing of him) I think it would be pretty gutsy to snatch a child in your own apt building & dispose of him there. From what I understand, the complex has it's own "police force" and there's always people milling about. That's what the apartment complex is saying. There's no proof that something happened to Patrick inside the building. So saying that they are negligent for his disappearance is pointless.

This is what I don't understand, why isn't she suing CPS & the foster mom? They were the one's responsible for Patrick's safety... (Of course, his mother was as well, and maybe if she would have thought about her decisions prior to Patrick being removed he'd be home, happy, and healthy tonight.)

(I'm not bashing her, I'm just saying maybe she should take a long hard look in the mirror before she blames anyone for what happened, because honestly, this was all avoidable.)She's suing ACS and the foster mom, too. And the city.

This is what I don't understand... Patrick's father says the foster mom's story doesn't sound right. ("Why would she take the child to the trash compactor when he was threatening to run away") That sounds right to me. If a child is threatening to run away you want to keep an eye on them. What I don't understand is why not just use the trash chute on your own floor instead of going down to the lobby? I really wish they would have further investigated the foster mother. I'm not saying she did anything to Patrick, but her story changed multiple times. She was, if nothing else, irresponsible in caring for Patrick.

And then, there was video of a boy with a woman on the Staten Island ferry who fit Patrick's description, yet the family insisted that it wasn't him. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that it was possibly him, just to get it looked into?? (Maybe LE could have had a press release asking the woman to contact police so they could verify that it wasn't Patrick??) Seems to be a pretty big coincidence that a child fitting Patrick's description is seen on the ferry that happens to go to where his mom lives.Yeah!!! Nothing bothers me more than this video. This "sighting". I'm not on the "Jennifer did it" side of the fence, but if the family is hiding him, wouldn't that be a good reason to say, "Nope, not Patrick" in the video? Who is this woman?!?

webrocket
12-15-2010, 04:42 PM
I've made my comments about the litigation and the process does explore questions and answers far beyond sound bites.

all that having been said, in my opinion only, I don't see negligence (in a legal sense) if a child suddenly bolts away from the foster mother if in fact the two of them were going to the garbage bin. negligence would be her leaving her wards home alone while running out to play bingo.

who knows what will be discovered through the litigation process. child services made statements that the foster mother had successfully cared for children for 20 years without incident. if true, then this placement would NOT be negligent from the standpoint of child services. if in fact she's had problems over the years, then maybe she was not a good choice for this child and bio mom may have a valid claim. I'm not passing judgment on that.

where I tend to get judgmental is that bio mom's voluntary conduct set off the whole chain of events and she continues to this day to have negative police interactions. at a minimum it casts her in a negative light before any possible future jury of her peers called upon to hear her negligence suit.

there are way too many foster care nightmares out there - some kids are starved to death, others are tortured or killed by foster parents. while the outcome here was tragic, based on what little we have heard and nothing known to be outright truth, taking a kid out to the dumpster is nothing. had he bolted from the apt if she left him alone while she went to the dumpster, that would be a whole different thing.

JLMcKenna83
12-15-2010, 04:57 PM
She's suing ACS and the foster mom, too. And the city.

Thank you, all of the articles I've been reading haven't mentioned that, I am reading backwards though and I may have not gotten to it yet

I really wish they would have further investigated the foster mother. I'm not saying she did anything to Patrick, but her story changed multiple times. She was, if nothing else, irresponsible in caring for Patrick.

There were also statements made by Patrick's father saying JR knew the foster mom's phone # and they could be in cahoots. And then several articles I read stated that JR showed up at the foster home, and only one that I've read that said family just happened upon it while handing out flyers.

Yeah!!! Nothing bothers me more than this video. This "sighting". I'm not on the "Jennifer did it" side of the fence, but if the family is hiding him, wouldn't that be a good reason to say, "Nope, not Patrick" in the video? Who is this woman?!?

This is exactly what I was thinking. And honestly, how good were the videos from the ferry? I know that most of the surveillance video that I've seen on other cases the quality has been pretty carpy. And it's pretty hard to make out specific facial features. Not to mention, someone had to think the child on the ferry looked enough like Patrick to report seeing him. I really think they should have released it and asked the woman to come forward. And considering how much speculation there was about the family, LE shouldn't have just dismissed the video because the family said it wasn't him.


RSBM

JLMcKenna83
12-15-2010, 05:04 PM
I've made my comments about the litigation and the process does explore questions and answers far beyond sound bites.

all that having been said, in my opinion only, I don't see negligence (in a legal sense) if a child suddenly bolts away from the foster mother if in fact the two of them were going to the garbage bin. negligence would be her leaving her wards home alone while running out to play bingo.

who knows what will be discovered through the litigation process. child services made statements that the foster mother had successfully cared for children for 20 years without incident. if true, then this placement would NOT be negligent from the standpoint of child services. if in fact she's had problems over the years, then maybe she was not a good choice for this child and bio mom may have a valid claim. I'm not passing judgment on that.

where I tend to get judgmental is that bio mom's voluntary conduct set off the whole chain of events and she continues to this day to have negative police interactions. at a minimum it casts her in a negative light before any possible future jury of her peers called upon to hear her negligence suit.

there are way too many foster care nightmares out there - some kids are starved to death, others are tortured or killed by foster parents. while the outcome here was tragic, based on what little we have heard and nothing known to be outright truth, taking a kid out to the dumpster is nothing. had he bolted from the apt if she left him alone while she went to the dumpster, that would be a whole different thing.

BBM, ITA. I wonder if the civil jury is able to take into account any other lawsuits the mother has filed or will file if this even gets that far. Or if her actions leading up to and after Patrick's disappearance will be considered.

Fyrecat
12-15-2010, 05:36 PM
I was a foster child growing up and I've adopted from the foster care system. A LOT of kids are better off left at home with family intervention services then placed in foster care.
Just try googling some statistics on the futures of foster kids... These ARE NOT exact numbers, but foster kids have a 4x greater chance of suffering from PTSD then war veterans, they stand a 60% great risk of being sexually abused than children left in their homes. 50% great chance of being physically abused then kids left with their parents.... they only have a 50/50 shot of even graduation high school, 20% or more end up teenage mothers...
I will not go into details of my own situation at this time, but for my mom smacking me once when I was a kid, I sure as heck paid the price and will continue to for the rest of my life, just for the state to be in the "right".

Agreed!
Sadly, there are case that do need more, and CPS gets blamed if they don't do more and something happens....in this state, I will say that they do mostly try and put in preventative services first. But it all depends on the worker. I beleive in many cases children do better remaining in their homes, but if a worker or workers believe that there is risk, I guess they have to follow what they think best.

I know the agency I work with, they do their best to make sure that the Kids are treated well. Is it as good as their 'real' home, mostly, no. Most children want to be home. But in some cases, it can be a saner place to be if there is substance abuse going on that is causing the child to be neglected, or if there is danger or outright abuse...

I don't think it's a perfect system, no. But I think that in order for it to change for the better, more money would be needed, and that won't happen.

Fyrecat
12-15-2010, 05:53 PM
I thought there was video of her on the phone in the hallway of the building... (maybe thats the one we're both talking about?)... (I've also read several places that there are no cameras...)

But the only videos I'm finding after searching the net are just ones talking about Patrick's mother, and some of the early coverage. I cant even find the one you're talking about to see if we are speaking of the same one.


Well anyways... I think the lawsuit is complete carp. I'm not sure if the cameras from inside the building (working or not) would really be much help. (unless they showed someone scooping him up or someone disposing of him) I think it would be pretty gutsy to snatch a child in your own apt building & dispose of him there. From what I understand, the complex has it's own "police force" and there's always people milling about.

This is what I don't understand, why isn't she suing CPS & the foster mom? They were the one's responsible for Patrick's safety... (Of course, his mother was as well, and maybe if she would have thought about her decisions prior to Patrick being removed he'd be home, happy, and healthy tonight.)

(I'm not bashing her, I'm just saying maybe she should take a long hard look in the mirror before she blames anyone for what happened, because honestly, this was all avoidable.)

This is what I don't understand... Patrick's father says the foster mom's story doesn't sound right. ("Why would she take the child to the trash compactor when he was threatening to run away") That sounds right to me. If a child is threatening to run away you want to keep an eye on them. What I don't understand is why not just use the trash chute on your own floor instead of going down to the lobby?

And then, there was video of a boy with a woman on the Staten Island ferry who fit Patrick's description, yet the family insisted that it wasn't him. Wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that it was possibly him, just to get it looked into?? (Maybe LE could have had a press release asking the woman to contact police so they could verify that it wasn't Patrick??) Seems to be a pretty big coincidence that a child fitting Patrick's description is seen on the ferry that happens to go to where his mom lives.

A word here, folks, in general, to the defense of foster parents:

For every FP you hear of that is abusive, neglectful, doesn't care, etc, there is one who cares deeply. FP in this state aren't paid all that well. Most of the FP I know do this work because they care about children, and sometimes the children they care for are very, very difficult. Imagine dealing with a child with behavioral issues (and I mean severe issues, sometimes, like destroying furniture, being violent to other children in the home) working with the child to develop some trust and then dealing with having to bring the child to the agency for visits with parents who may or may not show up, the child acting out afterward, or with natural parents who complain about everything you do, how the child is dressed, parents who may curse you out or threaten you, etc. And then all the appointments with each child you have to keep, in addition to working (yes, many FP hold down jobs, too!) and running a household.

Being a Foster Parent isn't easy. I watch many of them deal with situations I wouldn't want to deal with, and do it well. When FPs are 'sued' or when they are subject to Investigations, it makes it that much more difficult to find good Foster Parents.

I don't know what happened with this Foster Parent. I can say that 'Natural' parents do have a way of getting addresses, and I wouldn't be surprised of this was the case.

Anyway, off my soapbox....

JMO

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 09:59 PM
Some links for reference, that I mentioned I would find earlier.


Regarding Patrick being seen on the surveillance video: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/02/28/2010-02-28_boy_7_still_missing_city_cops_mystified.html#ix zz18Ev2YGiI


Cops also analyzed 81 surveillance videos, including one from the Staten Island Ferry terminal in Manhattan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Manhattan) that showed a boy fitting Patrick's description being led away by a woman. His family says it's not him.

Regarding biomom suing the apartment complex, ACS, foster mom, and the city: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7720757

Jennifer Rodriguez is now filing a federal lawsuit against New York City, the Administration for Children's Services, a foster mother, and the apartment complex on behalf of her son Patrick, in her latest desperate effort to find him.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-15-2010, 11:49 PM
had he bolted from the apt if she left him alone while she went to the dumpster, that would be a whole different thing.

Respectfully snipped.

What if she let him go to take out the trash alone? Pretty much the same as leaving him alone in the apartment while taking out the trash, right? And, IMO, I believe the 4-year-old.

http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/05/on_staten_island_mom_and_kin_keep_the_faith_for_yo ung_patrick.html

(Ms. Moran is the foster mother. JA is Patrick's sister.)

Ms. Moran told police she and Patrick were taking trash downstairs to the lobby of her building. She said she took a call on her cell phone and ... poof, Patrick was gone.

That’s her story.

Little JA had her own version: She said her brother took out the trash that night.

Why believe a 4-year-old over an adult? Because it doesn’t make sense for Ms. Moran to lug her trash down 11 flights to a bin in the lobby when a trash outlet was located next to her apartment. She had only to walk a couple of feet outside her door and toss it down the chute.

CHICANA
12-16-2010, 12:14 AM
I was a foster child growing up and I've adopted from the foster care system. A LOT of kids are better off left at home with family intervention services then placed in foster care.
Just try googling some statistics on the futures of foster kids... These ARE NOT exact numbers, but foster kids have a 4x greater chance of suffering from PTSD then war veterans, they stand a 60% great risk of being sexually abused than children left in their homes. 50% great chance of being physically abused then kids left with their parents.... they only have a 50/50 shot of even graduation high school, 20% or more end up teenage mothers...
I will not go into details of my own situation at this time, but for my mom smacking me once when I was a kid, I sure as heck paid the price and will continue to for the rest of my life, just for the state to be in the "right".


I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I agree with everything you said. I don't know why I'm still surprised by their lack of common sense.
All your mom did was smack you once ? Maybe leave a couple dirty dishes in the sink ?

CHICANA
12-16-2010, 12:27 AM
A word here, folks, in general, to the defense of foster parents:

For every FP you hear of that is abusive, neglectful, doesn't care, etc, there is one who cares deeply. FP in this state aren't paid all that well. Most of the FP I know do this work because they care about children, and sometimes the children they care for are very, very difficult. Imagine dealing with a child with behavioral issues (and I mean severe issues, sometimes, like destroying furniture, being violent to other children in the home) working with the child to develop some trust and then dealing with having to bring the child to the agency for visits with parents who may or may not show up, the child acting out afterward, or with natural parents who complain about everything you do, how the child is dressed, parents who may curse you out or threaten you, etc. And then all the appointments with each child you have to keep, in addition to working (yes, many FP hold down jobs, too!) and running a household.

Being a Foster Parent isn't easy. I watch many of them deal with situations I wouldn't want to deal with, and do it well. When FPs are 'sued' or when they are subject to Investigations, it makes it that much more difficult to find good Foster Parents.

I don't know what happened with this Foster Parent. I can say that 'Natural' parents do have a way of getting addresses, and I wouldn't be surprised of this was the case.

Anyway, off my soapbox....

JMO

So 50% of foster parents are abusive, neglectful or don't care ?
That's more than I thought. To me, it seems that the state expects way more of real parents than foster parents. If real parents don't deal with their disruptive children the way the state deems appropriate, they take them away. If a foster parent messes up, it's because the kid has 'behavioral' problems.
IMO, many foster kids act out, destroy things and are violent because they are mad that they've been forced to live with total strangers with no biological connection to them. They want to go home. Most kids in foster care are put on mind altering drugs (that aren't even approved for use in children) which can cause all kinds of side effects, including behavioral issues.

CHICANA
12-16-2010, 12:39 AM
Awww come on Jennifer. You're making it really hard for me to stick up for you.


Mother of missing Staten Island boy arrested for knife threat

A Staten Island mother whose young son disappeared earlier this year and has yet to be found has been arrested for threatening a friend with a kitchen knife, authorities said.

“You’re not getting you’re f---ing money back,” an enraged Jennifer Rodriguez shouted at the victim when he showed up at her New Brighton house yesterday at 7:55 p.m. looking for his lost wallet, according to court papers.

Rodriquez, 23, then menacingly waved the blade at the man, who had slept over the night before, sources said. It’s unknown if the two are romantically involved, sources added.

The woman told cops she only grabbed the knife because she was afraid, sources said.

[snip]

Rodriguez's arraignment was delayed because she was taken to Richmond University Medical Center with an undisclosed ailment, according to the DA's spokesman. She was later transferred to Emhurst Medical Center in Queens.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/mother_of_missing_staten_island_8HcO8aNMFMzh3S5VrP Y1LK#ixzz189iQHtTA



IDK, this sets my hinky meter off. Why did he wait all day to go get his wallet ? Maybe he lost it and was threatening her because he thought she had it. He shows up at her house and she goes to jail ? I'd love to know if there are any other witnesses, but I can't find anything showing the man even exists. The spelling of his last name has to be wrong or else he just came to America.
I think Jennifer has made a lot of people really mad with her lawsuits.

Kat
12-16-2010, 02:13 AM
I didn't see the name of the man in the article. I must really need my eyes retested or I'm really having probs still with concentration from quit smoking (I'm being serious not sassy at all).

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-16-2010, 02:59 AM
I didn't see the name of the man in the article. I must really need my eyes retested or I'm really having probs still with concentration from quit smoking (I'm being serious not sassy at all).

It wasn't in the article I posted, Kat. But it was in a different one. http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=13682092

But I'm honestly not sure what his last name has to do with anything?

webrocket
12-16-2010, 06:59 AM
the man's name is in here and it looks Albanian to me:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_jennifer_rodriguez_mom_of_missing_boy_patrick_a lford_arrested_for_pulling_knife_.html

but as SWMNBN asked, what does his nationality have to do with anything?

the whole scene raises eyebrows with me like 1. how did they meet? 2. what was the attraction? 3. a WALLET???? but I won't say any more.

Fyrecat
12-16-2010, 10:21 AM
So 50% of foster parents are abusive, neglectful or don't care ?
That's more than I thought. To me, it seems that the state expects way more of real parents than foster parents. If real parents don't deal with their disruptive children the way the state deems appropriate, they take them away. If a foster parent messes up, it's because the kid has 'behavioral' problems.
IMO, many foster kids act out, destroy things and are violent because they are mad that they've been forced to live with total strangers with no biological connection to them. They want to go home. Most kids in foster care are put on mind altering drugs (that aren't even approved for use in children) which can cause all kinds of side effects, including behavioral issues.


While it's true that at times children may be removed prematurely, when other services could have prevented this, I believe it's due to the cases where children weren't removed and a tragedy happens that now prompts Child Protective services to step in and remove children faster.

Foster parents aren't perfect, but they go through strict background checks, are subjected to intense scrutiny and their household members all have to undergo fingerprinting and background checks before they can be foster parents in many states.

Foster parents in this state are really looked at. I've seen a drop in foster parents, sadly.

Sorry, I disagree with you one some of the issues revolving around medication. While it's true that sometimes children 'act out' around being removed, and I agree with that, there are many cases where children have issues that are severe before they are placed in Foster Care. Sadly, in many cases these kids have suffered neglect, mistreatment, or a parent may not have known what to do with a child with severe issues.....children that come after other people with knives, children who abuse pets, children who defecate in corners, children who take off their clothes in public places.....

there is something wrong there, that many Foster Parents didn't count on dealing with.

If a parent has a child placed in care in many states, there are services a parent needs to complete in order to reuinte with a child. The parent may have to go to counseling, or seek treatment for mental health issues or drugs. They may have to participate in educational services, and visit regularly with their children. They have to take steps to change the situation that led to the child being removed. I think in many cases, it's difficult for a person to change, and to feel motivated to change, and feel they needed to change in the first place. A parent who has a child, has a responsiblity to that child. A foster parent chooses to accept the responsiblity and more when they become a foster parent.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-16-2010, 02:34 PM
Another thing I wonder about is why Jennifer went to the hospital? Did she have *reason* to be frightened of this guy? Maybe she was telling the truth about being scared of him. She spent at least two days in the hospital (as of Tuesday). Or was she just trying to avoid arraignment?

JLMcKenna83
12-16-2010, 02:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_jennifer_rodriguez_mom_of_missing_boy_patrick_a lford_arrested_for_pulling_knife_.html
snip..
Rodriguez, 23, was charged with menacing, criminal possession of a weapon and harassment, according to a spokesman for the Staten Island District Attorney.

.....

She was busted earlier this year for aggravated harassment after she attacked a romantic rival. She was also arrested a year ago for shoplifting, and Patrick was taken from her custody after she admitted to a drug problem.



I'm not so sure if she's afraid of anyone. She sounds like the aggressor in several of her arrests. I also want to know who reported hearing her screaming about not getting the money back. (Whether it was the man who she allegedly stole it from or if it was reported by someone who overheard the argument.) And I want to know who called 911, whether it was JR, the "BF", or a third party.


eta: interesting comment under the article posted yesterday (12/15) at 9am.

webrocket
12-16-2010, 05:12 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/14/2010-12-14_jennifer_rodriguez_mom_of_missing_boy_patrick_a lford_arrested_for_pulling_knife_.html
snip..

eta: interesting comment under the article posted yesterday (12/15) at 9am.

if I were her lawyer, I'd be trying to find out who posted that comment and sue the person for libel, slander etc.

if the info is true, then this person is in the know and should have reported that to LE a long time ago.

JLMcKenna83
12-16-2010, 05:57 PM
if I were her lawyer, I'd be trying to find out who posted that comment and sue the person for libel, slander etc.

if the info is true, then this person is in the know and should have reported that to LE a long time ago.

Could they even do that? (sue?) I mean taking into consideration the last line of the comment. Isn't that sort of what we do here? (without the bashing?) To me it sounds like someone stated two possible theories.

And I agree that if that person does know what's stated then they should have gone to LE and told them. I wonder if that's even a theory that LE explored.

webrocket
12-16-2010, 06:36 PM
Could they even do that? (sue?) I mean taking into consideration the last line of the comment. Isn't that sort of what we do here? (without the bashing?) To me it sounds like someone stated two possible theories.

And I agree that if that person does know what's stated then they should have gone to LE and told them. I wonder if that's even a theory that LE explored.

one of the biggest no-no's to do is to accuse any living person by name of a crime especially if the person making the statement has no proof to back up the claim. I'd be shocked if it is not a term of service here on Websleuths.

if the news says Jane Doe or John Roe is wanted by LE for a crime or has been indicted, then the accusation by a member of the public means nothing as it is repeating what has been said by LE.

if a victims's mother says "I know XXXX killed my daughter" there is no harm in attributing that statement to HER. but to repeat it as fact is a problem.

I remember a thread here about a missing Native American kid. on a news website, someone claiming to be the kid's "Auntie" accused the boy's father of very serious crimes of moral turpitude. Someone here said look at that comment (without repeating it) and I saw it. I made the comment here, "look quickly people, it won't last long" and it was removed by the host like 10 mins later.

I'm surprised that comment about bio mom has stayed on the site for a full day and I mean the part about what she supposedly did to Patrick. as for her involvment in any disappearance, LE already suspected at first she had some hand in it, so public commentary on what was reported is not the same as making a statement of fact that she did take him and hide him.

JLMcKenna83
12-16-2010, 07:28 PM
The statement still sounds like just theories to me. We just may be interpreting them differently.

The only difference I see is that they didn't start their comment with "I think", "My theory", "I believe", and "What if". However, at the end of the comment is something sort of along those lines.

I'm not surprised the comment has stayed there, and I wouldn't be surprised if her lawyer doesn't/never sees it unless someone points him to it. When I lived in NYC, most of the people I saw were carrying a print edition of the paper, which, if her lawyer does read the article, my bet would be it would be from the print edition and not the online edition where the comments are.

webrocket
12-16-2010, 08:48 PM
to suggest she killed him (and doing it out of state no less) is going well beyond any line of decency.

JLMcKenna83
12-16-2010, 09:13 PM
Why? There's hundreds of threads on this board alone where children have been killed by a parent.

webrocket
12-16-2010, 10:26 PM
Why? There's hundreds of threads on this board alone where children have been killed by a parent.

sure, it sadly happens all too often, but to make a public statement that someone killed their child, without any proof whatsoever is foolish, slanderous and all that jazz.

I for one will never go there on this or any other public forum.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-17-2010, 01:04 AM
I agree with JLMcKenna83 about that comment. The poster is giving two possibilities of what happened. 1 - Jennifer orchestrated this entire thing on purpose, which would take a genius. 2 - Jennifer messed up, had her kids taken away, and then something happened to Patrick. Then, the poster asks which of these two is more likely. Based on the way they state things, they actually do not believe Jennifer did anything. Nor are they accusing Jennifer of anything. They actually think its ridiculous that people are considering that. (The posters grammar skills could be improved, and maybe it would flow and make better sense, though.)

JLMcKenna83
12-20-2010, 11:58 AM
B~U~M~P for Patrick.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 12:14 PM
Mom is praying for a Christmas miracle

[snip]

Unless a miracle occurs and Patrick Alford resurfaces over the next few days, this will be the first Christmas morning since Patrick’s birth that Jennifer won’t know where her son is.

“Missing Patrick,” Jennifer replied when asked about the toughest thing she was dealing with during this Christmas season.

[snip]

Patrick, wherever he is, turned 8 on Nov. 28. It was the little boy’s first birthday away from his mother. Who knows if he had a cake? Who knows if he was in a position to realize that it was his birthday?

Jennifer spent Patrick’s birthday getting his name tattooed over her heart along with “January 22, 2010” — the day he was last seen alive and the day before her 23rd birthday after the city’s Administration for Children’s Services shipped Patrick and little sis JA out to East New York’s Starrett City housing projects with a foster stranger named Librada Moran.

[snip]

Jennifer wasn’t surprised that strangers recognized her face, but she can do without the fame. After all, she blames herself for her son’s disappearance more than anything.

When she got busted a year ago for shoplifting, she made the call to ACS. She thought ACS was there to help her with her kids while she worked her way out of a misdemeanor jam.

“I was better off not calling ACS,” Jennifer said through sobs, “because my son was better off home.”

Jen smiled weakly. A small sparkle twinkled in her eye. It’s a Christmas twinkle that keeps Patrick alive in her tattooed heart.

It’s all she has.

More: http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/12/mom_is_praying_for_a_christmas_miracle.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 12:15 PM
Mom is praying for a Christmas miracle

[snip]

Unless a miracle occurs and Patrick Alford resurfaces over the next few days, this will be the first Christmas morning since Patrick’s birth that Jennifer won’t know where her son is.

“Missing Patrick,” Jennifer replied when asked about the toughest thing she was dealing with during this Christmas season.

[snip]

Patrick, wherever he is, turned 8 on Nov. 28. It was the little boy’s first birthday away from his mother. Who knows if he had a cake? Who knows if he was in a position to realize that it was his birthday?

Jennifer spent Patrick’s birthday getting his name tattooed over her heart along with “January 22, 2010” — the day he was last seen alive and the day before her 23rd birthday after the city’s Administration for Children’s Services shipped Patrick and little sis JA out to East New York’s Starrett City housing projects with a foster stranger named Librada Moran.

[snip]

Jennifer wasn’t surprised that strangers recognized her face, but she can do without the fame. After all, she blames herself for her son’s disappearance more than anything.

When she got busted a year ago for shoplifting, she made the call to ACS. She thought ACS was there to help her with her kids while she worked her way out of a misdemeanor jam.

“I was better off not calling ACS,” Jennifer said through sobs, “because my son was better off home.”

Jen smiled weakly. A small sparkle twinkled in her eye. It’s a Christmas twinkle that keeps Patrick alive in her tattooed heart.

It’s all she has.

More: http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/12/mom_is_praying_for_a_christmas_miracle.html

JLMcKenna83
12-20-2010, 12:23 PM
This is where I'm not completely understanding her actions...

Why would she call ACS herself if the shoplifting charge was only a misdemeanor? For most people, a shoplifting charge is really only a slap on the wrist, maybe some probation and a fine with some restitution...

She's been arrested 3 times this year alone. How does she expect to find her son or have anyone take her seriously if she keeps getting into trouble?

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 12:28 PM
I believe in another article it made it sound like she had called because of her drug problems. I'll try to find it.

ETA: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/west_brighton_mom_insists_she.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 12:34 PM
I believe in another article it made it sound like she had called because of her drug problems. I'll try to find it.

ETA: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/west_brighton_mom_insists_she.html

From link above...BBM.

Ms. Rodriguez contends she called ACS herself a few days before her arrest.

"I told them I needed help, I needed a program so I could stay clean for my kids," she said. "I reached out to them and then they took my kids. They said I neglected my son, but now he's missing."

Fyrecat
12-20-2010, 01:43 PM
Usually children aren't removed unless there are other circumstances. Preventative services are put in place....a SW or CM would visit her her weekly and make sure she was getting help, and that the kids were ok. There is more to her story. I bet there was unstable or unsafe living arrangements, or something of the sort. CPS doesn't usually take kids unless the parent has preventative and isn't complying with it, or there are other issues.

I wish she knew where her son is, too. But I'm still not sure there isn't someone in the family who doesn't. There is something funny about this case.

JLMcKenna83
12-20-2010, 02:03 PM
Thanks SWMNBM, I had read that but it just didn't compute for me.

ACS is not who you would call if you have a drug problem. Even if you wanted to stay clean for your children.

There are 1,000's of programs in the city for drug users who need help. I guess I'm still not understanding her logic in calling them. (ACS) It just opened a whole different can of worms for her than what she actually needed.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 02:31 PM
Well, I think we can all agree, no matter our theories on what happened to Patrick, that Jennifer's decision making / logical thinking skills could use some help. :)

CHICANA
12-20-2010, 03:50 PM
Usually children aren't removed unless there are other circumstances. Preventative services are put in place....a SW or CM would visit her her weekly and make sure she was getting help, and that the kids were ok. There is more to her story. I bet there was unstable or unsafe living arrangements, or something of the sort. CPS doesn't usually take kids unless the parent has preventative and isn't complying with it, or there are other issues.

I wish she knew where her son is, too. But I'm still not sure there isn't someone in the family who doesn't. There is something funny about this case.

IMO, if you make a SW mad, he/she can come up with a reason to take any kid.
All it takes is a little creative writing.
My advice is to never let them in your house without a court order.

webrocket
12-20-2010, 04:58 PM
I suspect there is alot more to child services actions that we don't know about. with the new info, I'm not surprised they took the kids.

good luck with her lawsuit between the old behaviors of hers and the new arrests.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-20-2010, 07:26 PM
But that's the thing. We DON'T know the whole story. It has been said that when Jennifer made the call to ACS, they found signs of neglect, which, combined with the theft and drug use, is why they took the kids. But that doesn't change the fact that they still placed them in foster care instead of with family. And unless Jennifer physically took Patrick, or asked someone else to hide him, it is not her fault that Patrick disappeared. Her behavior shouldn't have anything to do with a lawsuit meant to find out what DID happen to this child.

Fyrecat
12-21-2010, 10:34 AM
But that's the thing. We DON'T know the whole story. It has been said that when Jennifer made the call to ACS, they found signs of neglect, which, combined with the theft and drug use, is why they took the kids. But that doesn't change the fact that they still placed them in foster care instead of with family. And unless Jennifer physically took Patrick, or asked someone else to hide him, it is not her fault that Patrick disappeared. Her behavior shouldn't have anything to do with a lawsuit meant to find out what DID happen to this child.

There is usually an effort to place children with family, unless the family has prior ACS cases or there is reason not to, such as inadaquate living arrangements or someone is too ill to take care of a child or doesn't want to.

I still wonder if it wouldn't be possible for the mother to know where he was, perhaps she had him sent out of the country to family, perhaps another relative did.

CHICANA
12-21-2010, 01:37 PM
I suspect there is alot more to child services actions that we don't know about. with the new info, I'm not surprised they took the kids.

good luck with her lawsuit between the old behaviors of hers and the new arrests.

In spite of her behaviors, she never lost Patrick. Her behaviors don't justify every bad decision child services made.

CHICANA
12-21-2010, 01:38 PM
There is usually an effort to place children with family, unless the family has prior ACS cases or there is reason not to, such as inadaquate living arrangements or someone is too ill to take care of a child or doesn't want to.

I still wonder if it wouldn't be possible for the mother to know where he was, perhaps she had him sent out of the country to family, perhaps another relative did.

But she passed her polygraph.

Fyrecat
12-21-2010, 02:01 PM
I believe that polygraphs aren't always effective. I also wonder if perhaps if she didn't do it, if a relative or friend did.

I believe that a child alone would have generated attention at night. I believe really that this child would not have willingly gone away with anyone unless he knew them, even somewhat.

I wonder if there was anyone in the building who knew this child, who might have taken him.

Something odd about this.

Mendara
12-21-2010, 02:29 PM
Thinking of him - poor baby,

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-21-2010, 08:51 PM
No, polygraphs are not always effective. But it's a start.

And I guarantee you if she had failed people would not let up. She would be accused more than she already is. She'd probably still be at Rikers. Even if it is "just a polygraph".

webrocket
12-21-2010, 10:30 PM
people who pass polygraphs are 1. telling the truth 2. pathological liars or 3. people who have convinced themselves of their own version of the truth.

if bio mom passed a polygraph, I can't say which of the three categories she falls into.

CHICANA
12-21-2010, 11:58 PM
No, polygraphs are not always effective. But it's a start.

And I guarantee you if she had failed people would not let up. She would be accused more than she already is. She'd probably still be at Rikers. Even if it is "just a polygraph".

You're right, if she had failed people would automatically assume she was guilty.

Texas Mist
12-22-2010, 12:54 AM
glad to see this tweet!

nydailynews New York Daily News

Please retweet - spread the word: #PatrickAlford, 8, eyebrow scar, still #missing from NYC. Call 1800577TIPS with info http://nydn.us/eeC0nG


http://twitter.com/#!/nydailynews

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-22-2010, 01:33 AM
WOW!!! A tweet about a little-known missing child almost a year later! That's great! Definitely would not expect that.

Salem
12-22-2010, 01:44 AM
I believe that polygraphs aren't always effective. I also wonder if perhaps if she didn't do it, if a relative or friend did.

I believe that a child alone would have generated attention at night. I believe really that this child would not have willingly gone away with anyone unless he knew them, even somewhat.

I wonder if there was anyone in the building who knew this child, who might have taken him.

Something odd about this.

So why isn't LE asking the foster mom what the heck happened here? She was the last one to see this child. She was the one that let him runaway? Did she call LE the minute he ran? I need to refresh my memory. I agree the child would not have run off if he didn't think he could get back to his mom. If he knew his mom was in jail, I think he would have stayed put until someone told him his mother was out.

Yes, someone in the building knew the child - the foster mom and the other children in her care.

I'm frustrated that LE has not appeared to follow through with the foster mom.

Salem

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-22-2010, 01:52 AM
So why isn't LE asking the foster mom what the heck happened here? She was the last one to see this child. She was the one that let him runaway? Did she call LE the minute he ran? I need to refresh my memory. I agree the child would not have run off if he didn't think he could get back to his mom. If he knew his mom was in jail, I think he would have stayed put until someone told him his mother was out.

Yes, someone in the building knew the child - the foster mom and the other children in her care.

I'm frustrated that LE has not appeared to follow through with the foster mom.

Salem

I also wish they would put more pressure on the foster mom. Not only was she the last one to see him, she has changed her story several times. And her story does not match up with what Patrick's sister said happened. (http://blog.silive.com/around_the_block_column/2010/05/on_staten_island_mom_and_kin_keep_the_faith_for_yo ung_patrick.html)

I'm not sure when she called LE. I know that she was seen on surveillance video looking for him. But they never said if Patrick was seen on that video. Or how long it took between Patrick being gone for her to be out looking. Or how long after that it took for her to make the call.

I don't think biomom was in jail when Patrick presumably ran. They had had a supervised visit just 2 weeks prior. (January 9 - http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/west_brighton_mom_insists_she.html)

Fyrecat
12-22-2010, 10:07 AM
If I was a Foster parent, and the child I had in my care went missing, I'd look around for him, call building security, call the agency i worked with, and then call the police, not sure in which order.
Kids do wander off. I can't count the number of kids who get seperated from adults in malls around the holidays, or get lost on beaches in the Summer. I just wonder if perhaps this child didn't come in contact with someone in the building who knew him, and perhaps knows more but doesn't want to tell, for whatever reason.

And if I told you the stories of bio parents, who 'stalk' their children and Foster parents, it would take hours. I'm not sure that this mom, or someone she knew was not somehow involved.

chasing.halos
12-22-2010, 11:29 AM
You are not forgotten Patrick! Thinking of you sweet boy... <3

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-22-2010, 02:27 PM
If I was a Foster parent, and the child I had in my care went missing, I'd look around for him, call building security, call the agency i worked with, and then call the police, not sure in which order.
Kids do wander off. I can't count the number of kids who get seperated from adults in malls around the holidays, or get lost on beaches in the Summer. I just wonder if perhaps this child didn't come in contact with someone in the building who knew him, and perhaps knows more but doesn't want to tell, for whatever reason.

And if I told you the stories of bio parents, who 'stalk' their children and Foster parents, it would take hours. I'm not sure that this mom, or someone she knew was not somehow involved.

BBM. Yes, kids wander off. But kids do not wander off wearing only a t-shirt when the temperatures are around 0.

Someone in the building may have seen something, though. We just don't know. LE interviewed everyone in the building. We don't know what they saw or said. Someone very well may have already told them they saw Patrick. Just because we haven't been told doesn't mean nobody said anything.