PDA

View Full Version : Did a Serial Killer/Pedophile Hit 32 Years Later?



DMansMom
06-23-2010, 07:19 PM
So, I'm quite new so please forgive if this case (http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300) has been discussed and analyzed here extensively. But, has anyone considered that a predator was lying in wait for 32 years in the Portland, Ore. area to abduct another child again? Based on this link, LE never conclusively put behind bars the person(s) who threw Stacie into Sun Dial Beach for dead in 1978.

Could he/she have decide to perpetrate another crime (Kyron) against another young victim? What are your thoughts? Is this abduction from an elementary school too close in proximity and methodically to have been a coincidence (if we believe that K was abducted at all)?

AnaTeresa
06-23-2010, 07:26 PM
While I do believe the abductor was not immediate family to Kyron, I don't think that there's enough evidence released from the investigation to tie Kyron's abduction to any similar cases.

Furthermore, statistics are not in favor of this - given the general range in age of male stranger abductors, the abductor, if the same, would be an outlier. While it's a slim possibility, I'm doubtful it was the same abductor. Still, it's a good comparison and good to keep in mind when people want to focus solely on the family - abductions by stranger from schools can happen.

butterfly1978
06-23-2010, 09:16 PM
So, I'm quite new so please forgive if this case (http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300) has been discussed and analyzed here extensively. But, has anyone considered that a predator was lying in wait for 32 years in the Portland, Ore. area to abduct another child again? Based on this link, LE never conclusively put behind bars the person(s) who threw Stacie into Sun Dial Beach for dead in 1978.

Could he/she have decide to perpetrate another crime (Kyron) against another young victim? What are your thoughts? Is this abduction from an elementary school too close in proximity and methodically to have been a coincidence (if we believe that K was abducted at all)?

Very intresting and the case is similar, both children came missing from inside the school, and both were second graders, unless the perp back in this case was a teenager he would likely be a MUCH older male now and with the motive appearing to be sexual with a girl, I feel that its not connected and LE feels this is an isolated case.
But who knows, it is still very intresting considering the similar circumstances. What about the possability it may be someone who studied this case?

GrainneDhu
06-23-2010, 09:32 PM
So, I'm quite new so please forgive if this case (http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300) has been discussed and analyzed here extensively. But, has anyone considered that a predator was lying in wait for 32 years in the Portland, Ore. area to abduct another child again? Based on this link, LE never conclusively put behind bars the person(s) who threw Stacie into Sun Dial Beach for dead in 1978.

Could he/she have decide to perpetrate another crime (Kyron) against another young victim? What are your thoughts? Is this abduction from an elementary school too close in proximity and methodically to have been a coincidence (if we believe that K was abducted at all)?

It seems like a very long latency period. However, other cases show that a seeming lull in criminal incidents can be due to many factors.

If the perpetrator was arrested for some crime shortly after the incident with SW, he may have been in prison. Given the length of time, it would almost certainly have to have been a violent crime such as murder.

Some serial killers have gone through long periods where they stopped killing. They start a relationship, experience a religious conversion or some such event that somehow stops them for a long period of time.

While such a long latency could be due to having moved away from the area but continuing to offend elsewhere, stranger abductions from schools are sufficiently rare that I think another one would have been mentioned in the media by now.

This whole case is so strange, so baffling, it begins to seem like anything is possible.

DMansMom
06-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Very intresting and the case is similar, both children came missing from inside the school, and both were second graders, unless the perp back in this case was a teenager he would likely be a MUCH older male now and with the motive appearing to be sexual with a girl, I feel that its not connected and LE feels this is an isolated case.
But who knows, it is still very intresting considering the similar circumstances. What about the possability it may be someone who studied this case?I just think that it is interesting that, for the rarity of a child to be abducted from a school, that it did indeed happen in the Portland area. I'm glad that Stacie was found alive. I would imagine that, it being in Portland, LE have interviewed her and her mom about the circumstances and tried to potentially find a connection to Kyron. No stone left unturned, as it would be.

butterfly1978
06-23-2010, 09:39 PM
I just think that it is interesting that, for the rarity of a child to be abducted from a school, that it did indeed happen in the Portland area. I'm glad that Stacie was found alive. I would imagine that, it being in Portland, LE have interviewed her and her mom about the circumstances and tried to potentially find a connection to Kyron. No stone left unturned, as it would be.

I totally agree and as the person above posted what if this person was in prison on a seperate crime and released recently. I wonder if we can look at people who were released recently from prison around this time frame.. I'll ask a mod.

Curious Me
06-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Thanks for making me aware that this has happened before in the area. It is wonderful and a miracle that Stacie was found alive. It gives me hope for Kyron.

I don't really think there is a connection to this case. The length of time between the two crimes, the children's gender, and several other reasons makes it seem unlikely, but you never know because the person that did that to Stacie got away with it all this time.

Side Note: The need for cameras in every school should be a law now. All schools even preschools should have cameras. We protect our money with cameras at every ATM, and our children are alot more important. If only they had good cameras at Skyline School that day.

nursebeeme
06-23-2010, 10:11 PM
could this case have influenced thoughts and ideas with the perp of the current case?

butterfly1978
06-23-2010, 10:20 PM
could this case have influenced thoughts and ideas with the perp of the current case?

yup thats one thing I was thinking too. I think if people know of similar crimes in the area that it could have given them this idea, why not that person got away with it.


PS> Mods say at this point in time we can not sleuth innocent people on a theory, so......... What now????

CarmelEyesD
06-23-2010, 10:27 PM
Assuming the perp with Stacie was 20-3- years old then, he could be 52-62 years old today, and could easily be a grandparent..or the right age to pretend to be one...

butterfly1978
06-23-2010, 10:34 PM
Assuming the perp with Stacie was 20-3- years old then, he could be 52-62 years old today, and could easily be a grandparent..or the right age to pretend to be one...

I am shocked at how easy it was for this perp to gain access to Stacie and how easily she was convinced it was okay. I wonder if this is the same tactic that was used in Kyron's case. I could see someone saying, I need some help I am trying to get my grandsons electrical project set up, but I dont know where he ran off to could you help me get it out of the car, I'll pull up to the door...:banghead:

txsvicki
06-23-2010, 11:18 PM
There are plenty of old geezer pedophiles and children are abducted from and molested in all locations, even inside department stores. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine one getting into a school and abducting a child, but how would an older abductor case out Kyron and then decide to get him at school. It would almost have to be a relative of a school worker or student and one who'd have to be waiting right outside Kyron's hallway just hoping a child would wander down the hall all alone since SM saw him going towards his classroom.

GrainneDhu
06-23-2010, 11:22 PM
could this case have influenced thoughts and ideas with the perp of the current case?

I hadn't thought of that but... yeah, sure could. Makes me shudder to think about, considering what SW went through and the fact that Kyron is still missing.

sofia76
06-23-2010, 11:23 PM
That is very fascinating. I was unaware of that Gresham case (before my time) and I'm so glad the girl was found alive and was able to move on with her life. If something like this happened to Kyron, I worry that even if he was dumped somewhere in the area alive, that he perished (the weather was not good in June) due to exposure and not being found in a timely fashion.

carbuff
06-23-2010, 11:25 PM
That is very fascinating. I was unaware of that Gresham case (before my time) and I'm so glad the girl was found alive and was able to move on with her life. If something like this happened to Kyron, I worry that even if he was dumped somewhere in the area alive, that he perished (the weather was not good in June) due to exposure and not being found in a timely fashion.

It sounds like Gresham's abductor didn't intend her to survive.

sherbetjello
06-23-2010, 11:46 PM
It seems like a very long latency period.

There was/is (I don't keep up with the case) of a serial killer in Los Angeles that hit in the 70's and just stopped until 2007.

carbuff
06-23-2010, 11:52 PM
There was/is (I don't keep up with the case) of a serial killer in Los Angeles that hit in the 70's and just stopped until 2007.

The Grim Sleeper. Yes. They don't know why he stopped.

sofia76
06-23-2010, 11:58 PM
The Grim Sleeper. Yes. They don't know why he stopped.

IIRC, the Grim Sleeper took a break of about a decade. His first victim was in the 80s, not the 70s. But California has a lot of serial killers.

Cyclemama
06-24-2010, 12:10 AM
Consider another missing boy, also Kyrons age, from 1996, Crater Lake. His name was Samual.

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 12:28 AM
This case has peeked my intrest so I started looking into it, apparently there were 2 other girls that also were abducted Ann Ellinwood and Stephanie Newsom, it was beleived that all three were related Stacy was left for dead and Stephanie Newsom was found murdered and from what I have found so far Ann was never found. Apparently this suddenly stopped, I wonder if the person who was involved got scared because Stacy survived or if he was arrested on soomething diffrent or if he died???????
Still looking but I think this is odd that 32 years later another school age child goes missing.

OPPS forgot to add the link
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780501&id=C24RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6642,80479

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 12:35 AM
OH this is good this is a discription of the house that Stacy beleived she was taken to before being thrown into the embankment. Scary thought if this guy happened to resurface.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780503&id=DW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6731,520412

sofia76
06-24-2010, 12:42 AM
This case has peeked my intrest so I started looking into it, apparently there were 2 other girls that also were abducted Ann Ellinwood and Stephanie Newsom, it was beleived that all three were related Stacy was left for dead and Stephanie Newsom was found murdered and from what I have found so far Ann was never found. Apparently this suddenly stopped, I wonder if the person who was involved got scared because Stacy survived or if he was arrested on soomething diffrent or if he died???????
Still looking but I think this is odd that 32 years later another school age child goes missing.


The person believed to have killed Stephanie Newsom killed himself shortly after being questioned by the police. He was ruled out as a suspect in the case of the Gresham girl, but a lot of people think he killed Ann as well, and that unlike Stephanie, her body's just never been found. It's unlikely we'll ever know for sure what happened. :(

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 12:42 AM
According to this article there was a guy POI in the Ann case that commited suiside, but it doesnt mention wether he was involved with Stacy or Stephanie
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=n4QRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7OEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6802,8610486&dq=earl-woody-chambers&hl=en

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 12:45 AM
The person believed to have killed Stephanie Newsom killed himself shortly after being questioned by the police. He was ruled out as a suspect in the case of the Gresham girl, but a lot of people think he killed Ann as well, and that unlike Stephanie, her body's just never been found. It's unlikely we'll ever know for sure what happened. :(
Yup, I just saw that... I'm still looking, so apparently there was still another person who was responsible for Stacy kidnapping

sofia76
06-24-2010, 12:45 AM
Consider another missing boy, also Kyrons age, from 1996, Crater Lake. His name was Samual.

Do you have a last name? The only Sam I'm aware of who went missing in Crater Lake is Sam Boehlke (sp?) but that was only a few years ago, not 15 years ago. He was out with his dad on a trail and ran ahead and off the trail; his dad lost sight of him and he was never seen again.

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 12:51 AM
Consider another missing boy, also Kyrons age, from 1996, Crater Lake. His name was Samual.

He was beleived to be lost in the woods. I think I remember this, but isnt he the one that went camping with his dad and ran off? He had Autism... I THINK PLEASE do not take this as fact as my memory isnt always good.

but Cycle what are you thinking is the connection here?:waitasec:

RubyRed
06-24-2010, 12:56 AM
Consider another missing boy, also Kyrons age, from 1996, Crater Lake. His name was Samual.


He was beleived to be lost in the woods. I think I remember this, but isnt he the one that went camping with his dad and ran off? He had Autism... I THINK PLEASE do not take this as fact as my memory isnt always good.

but Cycle what are you thinking is the connection here?:waitasec:



Samuel Boehlke

Missing: Oct 14, 2006

http://archive.mailtribune.com/archive/2006/1125/local/stories/boymemorial-ap.htm

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 01:38 AM
Samuel Boehlke

Missing: Oct 14, 2006

http://archive.mailtribune.com/archive/2006/1125/local/stories/boymemorial-ap.htm

Okay yes, I do remember. I thought that case was odd to, they never did find him :O(

Are you thinking that Kyron is lost? or do you not beleive this familyies story of what happened? I'm still :waitasec:

carbuff
06-24-2010, 07:22 AM
Okay yes, I do remember. I thought that case was odd to, they never did find him :O(

Are you thinking that Kyron is lost? or do you not beleive this familyies story of what happened? I'm still :waitasec:

Some of us were getting a feeling that the person who did this had killed before, and that he might be connected to Samuel's disappearance.

sofia76
06-24-2010, 09:34 AM
Some of us were getting a feeling that the person who did this had killed before, and that he might be connected to Samuel's disappearance.

Really? What similarities (apart from age of the boys) are you finding? Are you thinking that someone happened to be out in the area when Sam and his dad stopped to hike? And then when Sam ran off, this person grabbed him and hid from his father and searchers?

Patience
06-24-2010, 10:21 AM
Thanks for starting this thread. There are so many missing children out of Oregon.

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/child_index.shtml

sofia76
06-24-2010, 10:46 AM
Really? What similarities (apart from age of the boys) are you finding? Are you thinking that someone happened to be out in the area when Sam and his dad stopped to hike? And then when Sam ran off, this person grabbed him and hid from his father and searchers?

I am talking to myself now, but I was just reading about the Derrick Engebreston case. Derrick was a boy from Southern Oregon who was out looking for Christmas trees with his dad and granddad. He got separated from them and was never seen again. It's now believed that he made his way to the road, where he happened to be abducted by a pedophile who had attempted to kill a boy of similar age several years after Derrick's disappearance.

I hope something like this hasn't happened to Kyron (where he was lost then picked up by the wrong type of person). I wish we knew more about the basis of the SI searches; is there really good cause to be there or are they just poking around?

Patience
06-24-2010, 10:55 AM
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/engebretson_derrick.shtml

Yes, whatever did happen to Derrick Engebretson
Derrick Engebretsonhttp://www.oregon.gov/OSP/images/osp_logo_s.gifhttp://www.oregon.gov/images/spacer.gifMissing Since 12/05/1998
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/images/Engebretson_Derrick.jpg
Derrick Engebretson - Missing Since 12/05/1998

Derrick Engebretson, his father and grandfather were looking for a Christmas tree in the Rocky Point area of the Winema National Forest in Klamath County on December 5, 1998. He became separated from them and has not been seen since. He has a scar from a dog bite on his chin, between the nostrils and under the nose. The Klamath County Sheriff´s Office is handling the investigation.


Missing Date
12/05/1998
Race
White
Sex
Male
Current Age
17
Hair Color
Brown
Hair Type
Straight
Eyes
Hazel
Height
4´6"
Weight
85 lbs
Missing From
Bonanza, Oregon, USA
Type of Abduction
Endangered Missing

A Toll-Free Hotline: (1-800-282-7155) is maintained by the Clearinghouse to receive any information on missing children.

Clearinghouse business number 503-934-0188.

Patience
06-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Walter Ackerson was never found either.
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/ackerson_walter.shtml
Walter Ackerson was 16 years old when last seen by three male friends who were with him at Nye Beach in Newport, Oregon. He has crooked teeth with gaps between them. He is now 35 years old. The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office is investigating.

passionflower
06-24-2010, 11:01 AM
Does the school have hallway cameras?
Schools here have them every where except bathrooms.
Kyron never screamed........so he went on command, willingly, was never there.
as for asimiliar crime 32 years ago............perp would be maybe 50? 60?
Look like a grandparent?
Interesting.
Was any 'family, friend of family' gone or out os state for 32 years?

passionflower
06-24-2010, 11:06 AM
or could this be a copy cat.............someone that read about the former
kidnappings and get the idea to do it?????

carbuff
06-24-2010, 11:25 AM
Two others who disappeared under kinda similar circumstances?

Edward Nye was 14 but looks younger. He disappeared on a camping trip:

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/nye_edward.shtml

Jeremy Bright was 13 when he disappeared from the Coos county fair:

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/bright_jeremy.shtml

PortlandMama
06-24-2010, 12:22 PM
Portland is on the border of WA state (across the Columbia R from Vancouver, WA), with the I-5 corridor north and south, connecting Portland to Seattle. So as long as we're exploring possible connections with other missing children in the area, we should also take a look at Washington's missing children:
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/mischild.php

carbuff
06-24-2010, 12:43 PM
Portland is on the border of WA state (across the Columbia R from Vancouver, WA), with the I-5 corridor north and south, connecting Portland to Seattle. So as long as we're exploring possible connections with other missing children in the area, we should also take a look at Washington's missing children:
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/mischild.php

Good thought! Thank you.

That gives us Bryce Herda, 7, last seen hiking on a beach

http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/docs/mischild/Herda_Bryce.pdf

There aren't many young boys missing in WA at all, it doesn't look like.

rosetattoo
06-24-2010, 12:56 PM
In Stacie's case, I just can't believe they had so much eye-witness detail and couldn't solve it. Disturbing.

AnnieOakley
06-24-2010, 12:57 PM
I have been wondering about this also... 32 years is a long time in between S and Kyron... however, what if the perp moved to another area? Re-located for a job or ?? and now is back in OR or WA?
Or, what if the perp has been committing other crimes that don't necessarily appear connected?
There are cases, some older, some newer that bear some resemblance- all pretty much along the 1-5 corridor:

Bryce Herda
Missing from Neah Bay, WA
Date Missing: 4-09-95
Date of Birth: 7-24-88
Age: 6
Height: 4'0"
Weight: 60 lbs.
(NCMEC)


Richard Haynes Nickname: “Cody”
Date Missing: 9/12/04
Missing from: Kittitas, WA
DOB: 4/16/93
Age at Disappearance: 11 year
(Although there is suspicion that the family may have been involved due to past history of CPS involvement- what if Richard took off from home - after a fight, or whatever- and was picked up by a "helpful" stranger??)
(Charley Project)



Deborah Palmer:
http://www.seattlepi.com/sound/416454_sound87169102.htm (http://www.seattlepi.com/sound/416454_sound87169102.html)l

And, what about Hasanni Campbell and Lindsey Baum?

mrsjonnob
06-24-2010, 01:56 PM
I have been wondering about this also... 32 years is a long time in between S and Kyron... however, what if the perp moved to another area? Re-located for a job or ?? and now is back in OR or WA?
Or, what if the perp has been committing other crimes that don't necessarily appear connected?
There are cases, some older, some newer that bear some resemblance- all pretty much along the 1-5 corridor:

Bryce Herda
Missing from Neah Bay, WA
Date Missing: 4-09-95
Date of Birth: 7-24-88
Age: 6
Height: 4'0"
Weight: 60 lbs.
(NCMEC)


Richard Haynes Nickname: “Cody”
Date Missing: 9/12/04
Missing from: Kittitas, WA
DOB: 4/16/93
Age at Disappearance: 11 year
(Although there is suspicion that the family may have been involved due to past history of CPS involvement- what if Richard took off from home - after a fight, or whatever- and was picked up by a "helpful" stranger??)
(Charley Project)



Deborah Palmer:
http://www.seattlepi.com/sound/416454_sound87169102.htm (http://www.seattlepi.com/sound/416454_sound87169102.html)l

And, what about Hasanni Campbell and Lindsey Baum?

BBM-
or he was incarcerated for other crimes and was released.
Wasn't the creep who kidnapped the Groenes connected to kidnapping/murder in California? I think it is entirely possible/likely that the person responsible for Kyron"s disappearance has done this before.

butterfly1978
06-24-2010, 09:01 PM
Now this is sleuthing! amazing work guys...... I personally feel like this kind of comparison is very helpful and gets us all thinking.

Patience
07-06-2010, 05:59 PM
Walter Ackerson was never found either.
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/ackerson_walter.shtml
Walter Ackerson was 16 years old when last seen by three male friends who were with him at Nye Beach in Newport, Oregon. He has crooked teeth with gaps between them. He is now 35 years old. The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office is investigating.


Walter Ackerson has beed found deceased. RIP Walter.

http://www.kgw.com/news/OR-family-horrified-over-how-son-died-97868369.html#comments

TENINO, Wash. - For 20 years, Karen Hull had nightmares about what happened to her 16-year-old son who disappeared in 1990.
What really happened to Walter Ackerson was worse than she ever imagined. Police told Hull her son was beaten up and thrown off a bridge in Newport, Ore.

cluciano63
07-06-2010, 06:21 PM
If it turns out that Kyron was taken by anyone outside of his immediate circle, someone should be in trouble for allowing the school to re-open the following school day and for all of the assurances to the community...that Kyron and only Kyron was the target, IMO.

carbuff
07-06-2010, 06:39 PM
Walter Ackerson has beed found deceased. RIP Walter.

http://www.kgw.com/news/OR-family-horrified-over-how-son-died-97868369.html#comments

TENINO, Wash. - For 20 years, Karen Hull had nightmares about what happened to her 16-year-old son who disappeared in 1990.
What really happened to Walter Ackerson was worse than she ever imagined. Police told Hull her son was beaten up and thrown off a bridge in Newport, Ore.

Poor Walter. But I'm glad it's been figured out.

sofia76
07-06-2010, 07:24 PM
I'm so sorry that Walter met a violent end. How sad. I am glad his mother and brothers can at least know what happened to him. But how disturbing is it that two of the people who had a hand in his death - or at least in covering it up for 20 years - are just walking free in the streets? The suffering they've caused for the last 20 years ... there is no justice for that!

GrainneDhu
07-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Walter Ackerson was never found either.
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/ackerson_walter.shtml
Walter Ackerson was 16 years old when last seen by three male friends who were with him at Nye Beach in Newport, Oregon. He has crooked teeth with gaps between them. He is now 35 years old. The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office is investigating.

That one was solved recently:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibFUWVWvhe2c0_-ghbUbwSzKPBCwD9GOHC100

In short, he went to the beach with three friends, got into a disagreement with one of them who beat him to death, then all three boys dropped him off a bridge into the ocean.

Charges are pending.

Very sad case.

ETA: Oops, I see that you already posted the followup, Patience.

GrainneDhu
07-06-2010, 09:10 PM
If it turns out that Kyron was taken by anyone outside of his immediate circle, someone should be in trouble for allowing the school to re-open the following school day and for all of the assurances to the community...that Kyron and only Kyron was the target, IMO.

BBM

I agree that if Kyron was taken by a non-family member, the assurances that Kyron was the only target were wrong. However, LE does have a long and troubled history of making such assurances in error. Such a long record, in fact, that I take such assurances with a tablespoon of salt.

Such statements seem somewhat akin to the Reagan-era statement that "So-and-so has our full support." As soon as you heard that in the media, you knew the resignation was no more than three days away.

As for the school opening as usual on the following Monday, I cannot agree. That school had extra personnel on hand, they were under vastly increased LE observation and there were several hundred LE officers in the immediate area looking for the slightest signs of trouble. That school was probably the safest school in the US for the remaining two weeks of the school year.

Locking the barn door after the horse is stolen does serve to protect the other horses in the stable.

Jan
07-07-2010, 04:59 PM
IIRC, the Grim Sleeper took a break of about a decade. His first victim was in the 80s, not the 70s. But California has a lot of serial killers.

I just this afternoon got a news alert on my email saying that this person has been arrested.

Faulkner
07-07-2010, 05:17 PM
could this case have influenced thoughts and ideas with the perp of the current case?

Here's an interesting coincidence. 32 years ago TH was approximately the same age as this little girl that went missing and Kyron's age. Did TH grow up in the area? (Hope it's ok to ask that) If so, she likely heard a lot about this case as a child around the same age in the same state.

multicat
06-09-2013, 08:55 PM
Israel Keyes was in the Midwest US/and Western US from 05/19/2010 to 07/18/2010.

Jersey*Girl
08-15-2013, 10:39 PM
could this case have influenced thoughts and ideas with the perp of the current case?

Not to me...bc IMO nothing can explain Terri's silence except for guilt. The hateful email letters that haven't been released to the public yet, along with the other evidence le has to keep close to their vests, will be brought out when the time is right for the prosecution. There's a reason a civil no contact order was just placed on her to stay away from Kane & Kiara, one in which would never fly unless evidence was concrete for her being suspect.

iamnotagolem
10-21-2013, 07:02 PM
My child is in K this year so it's my first time being so involved with the school and students. I volunteer in the classroom several times a week and have come to know the students quite well in the last 2 months. Some of these kids home lives are heartbreaking, I'm not talking about just the homes with neglect and abuse but seeing how parents hook ups and split ups affect the children is so sad.

I wonder if police watched to see if any other students moved shortly after Kyron disappeared. It'd be all too easy for an involved parent to feel like they were saving Kyron.

I also wonder if police looked into the parents and grandparents of all of the students. If Grandpa Creepy ate lunch with his grandson every week or helped out in class or picked up his grandson from school that person would be familiar with Kyron and would have very little trouble convincing him to walk out of the school with him.

Since helping at the school I've had multiple conversations with my child about stranger danger and leaving the school with anyone other than me. I'm certain I could get a majority of the kids in class to leave the school and get in my car without much prodding. There are even a handful of older kids that walk by as we are leaving whom I'm certain would take me up on an offer of a ride home.

scandi
12-05-2013, 09:20 PM
My child is in K this year so it's my first time being so involved with the school and students. I volunteer in the classroom several times a week and have come to know the students quite well in the last 2 months. Some of these kids home lives are heartbreaking, I'm not talking about just the homes with neglect and abuse but seeing how parents hook ups and split ups affect the children is so sad.

I wonder if police watched to see if any other students moved shortly after Kyron disappeared. It'd be all too easy for an involved parent to feel like they were saving Kyron.

I also wonder if police looked into the parents and grandparents of all of the students. If Grandpa Creepy ate lunch with his grandson every week or helped out in class or picked up his grandson from school that person would be familiar with Kyron and would have very little trouble convincing him to walk out of the school with him.

Since helping at the school I've had multiple conversations with my child about stranger danger and leaving the school with anyone other than me. I'm certain I could get a majority of the kids in class to leave the school and get in my car without much prodding. There are even a handful of older kids that walk by as we are leaving whom I'm certain would take me up on an offer of a ride home.

Interesting Iamnotagolem, I often wondered about the father of Kyron's best friend. That boy lived with his grandma in the house next to Kyron's and the dad lived in a house on Sauvie Island. I think he moved down to Cali after Kyron went missing. TH was supposedly seen on SI the morning Kyron disappeared. I often wondered if there was a connection between these two people. Does anyone here know anything about this man? MOO