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rossva
08-06-2010, 10:55 AM
FYI, the forum at findmorgan.com is back open

arielilane
08-07-2010, 06:06 PM
Abduction/Sexual Assault and In Connection
with the Murder of Morgan Harrington


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic40489_13.gif


DESCRIPTION
Age: 30 - 40 years old
Sex: Male
Height: Approximately 6' 0”
Weight: Medium Build
Race: Black
If you have information
Please Call:
24 Hour Tip Line
434 - 352 - 3476
or
434 - 709 - 1685
http://allo5.com/FB/MH_Wanted_Poster.pdf

waltzingmatilda
08-07-2010, 07:34 PM
The composite in Morgan's case and the pic of the guy accused of the recent abduction attempt in MB who has been questioned in Brittanee's case have alot of physical simalarities, IMO. I don't know how to place side by side pics from the links provided or I would do so. The hairline along the forehead is a bit different, but we must remember that the composite sketch was from several years ago so it would make sense the perps hairline would recede with time.

MOO

wm

arielilane
08-10-2010, 05:57 PM
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arielilane
08-10-2010, 05:57 PM
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jokie7348
08-10-2010, 06:37 PM
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Thank you so much for posting the photo and sketch side by side. Wow, it certainly looks like a perfect match to me. I think the info on ST and his clan is just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, LE will thoroughly search old cases and use DNA where possible. JMO....these are bad, bad boys.

carbuff
08-10-2010, 06:57 PM
The eyes, cheekbones, and ears are similar, but the nose is totally different. The sketch has a much lower forehead and a different shape of mouth (the MB guy doesn't have that cupid-bow upper lip). The MB guy also seems to have a longer and more pronounced chin, though that might be an illusion of the beard.

It could be him, depending on how good a look the woman got and how accurately she could describe it for the artist, but I don't think it's likely.

Searchfortruth
08-12-2010, 08:43 PM
Bumping for Morgan...

colette
08-20-2010, 08:33 PM
On Friday, the bridge where she was last seen, became a stop on a nationwide tour to remember victims of crime and those still missing. The Community United Effort or CUE Center for Missing Persons came to the Copeley Road Bridge on the campus of UVA. They released butterflies there.

On Friday at 7:05 p.m., Morgan Harrington will be honored at the Red Sox game in Salem. Her father is throwing the first pitch. A moment of silence and video presentation will also happen.

Morgan would have been entering her senior year this year at Virginia Tech.

She was at UVA for a concert last October when she disappeared. There is a $150,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction.

http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13018438

tfrohning
08-21-2010, 01:36 AM
I think the guy from link in Maryland eyes look a lot like Morgan suspect
Maryland: Suspect Named in Possible Serial Mother-Daughter Killings
http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-named-serial-killer-mother-daughter-murders-md/story?id=11259640

I don't know how to post pictures

carbuff
08-21-2010, 10:31 AM
I think the guy from link in Maryland eyes look a lot like Morgan suspect
Maryland: Suspect Named in Possible Serial Mother-Daughter Killings
http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-named-serial-killer-mother-daughter-murders-md/story?id=11259640

I don't know how to post pictures

Here they are, side by side. You're right, that's a much stronger resemblance. The mouth is right, the eyebrows are right, and the jaw and nose are close. The upper head still doesn't match, but if Scott has lost hair since 2005, that might explain it.

tfrohning
08-21-2010, 10:40 AM
Here they are, side by side. You're right, that's a much stronger resemblance. The mouth is right, the eyebrows are right, and the jaw and nose are close. The upper head still doesn't match, but if Scott has lost hair since 2005, that might explain it.

Thank You:blushing: I still have not figure out how to post pictures in the threads.

I think suspect face is little fatter...but the eys is what got me and cause me to go look for Jason Scott's picture.

Thanks again!

carbuff
08-21-2010, 10:44 AM
Thank You:blushing: I still have not figure out how to post pictures in the threads.

I think suspect face is little fatter...but the eys is what got me and cause me to go look for Jason Scott's picture.

Thanks again!

No problem. (The link for thumbnails is in the "advanced" form, which you get when you quote a post -- it's the paper clip up at the top, just past the smilies.)

Yes, the eyes are scary close, as is the overall expression. I've seldom seen anybody who looks so pure poison mean. The face in the sketch is wider, but any sketch done from witness accounts is going to be an approximation. I think it's close enough to be worth sending in to the Virginia tips number.

tfrohning
08-21-2010, 11:44 AM
No problem. (The link for thumbnails is in the "advanced" form, which you get when you quote a post -- it's the paper clip up at the top, just past the smilies.)

Yes, the eyes are scary close, as is the overall expression. I've seldom seen anybody who looks so pure poison mean. The face in the sketch is wider, but any sketch done from witness accounts is going to be an approximation. I think it's close enough to be worth sending in to the Virginia tips number.

Thanks carbuff

I went back and check Jason Scott timeline

Copy and Paste
May 2009, a gun store burglary in Woodbine Maryland. It ended in June, when the suspect tried to sell two of the stolen guns to an ATF informant and was arrested.


The suspect was released on a $42,000 bond after his June arrest. He stayed free until September when he was charged in the home invasions cases and held on nearly one million dollar bail.

He was in jail Oct 17, 2009 when Morgan disappear.

Very close resemblance:waitasec:

hoppyfrog
08-21-2010, 02:05 PM
I think the guy from link in Maryland eyes look a lot like Morgan suspect
Maryland: Suspect Named in Possible Serial Mother-Daughter Killings
http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-named-serial-killer-mother-daughter-murders-md/story?id=11259640

I don't know how to post pictures

Posting pics is quite easy.

1. Right click on the pic, and then click on "Copy image URL."

2. In the WS "posting box" where you type your text, look for the icon that is a yellowish square with a pic of a mountain. It's above the box where you type in the text. Click on it.

3. In the little box that pops up, copy the URL using Ctrl+V, and then click "OK."

That's it!

I usually then click on "preview post" to make sure the pic is correctly copied into the post.

For copyright purposes, PLEASE put in your post the URL from where you took the pic.

hth,

Hoppy

Walker
08-22-2010, 02:52 AM
Here they are, side by side. You're right, that's a much stronger resemblance. The mouth is right, the eyebrows are right, and the jaw and nose are close. The upper head still doesn't match, but if Scott has lost hair since 2005, that might explain it.

The photo of Scott shows a longer face (jmo), and lips are in smaller proportion to the face than in the face in the sketch. The upper lip too seems thinner in the photo. Scott has a higher forehead. His eyebrows are higher, longer and arch back. The distance between nose & lip seems significantly longer. His eyes are farther apart & have long lashes. Scott seems to have a square chin, while the sketch shows a perfectly round chin. The bone structure is also different; Scott seems to have prominent cheekbones and browridge, while the sketch seems to portray a more fleshy face. Despite the British-sounding (American or Jamaican) name, he looks vaguely Mideastern.


"It all started around when he was 10 years old. Peeping Tom, recording people when they were sleep or undressing," said an Upper Marlboro neighbor. "Then it went from breaking and entering, stealing vehicles. Somehow being very, very intelligent led him to a very bad history."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-named-serial-killer-mother-daughter-murders-md/story?id=11259640&page=3

carbuff
08-24-2010, 12:16 PM
The photo of Scott shows a longer face (jmo), and lips are in smaller proportion to the face than in the face in the sketch. The upper lip too seems thinner in the photo. Scott has a higher forehead. His eyebrows are higher, longer and arch back. The distance between nose & lip seems significantly longer. His eyes are farther apart & have long lashes. Scott seems to have a square chin, while the sketch shows a perfectly round chin. The bone structure is also different; Scott seems to have prominent cheekbones and browridge, while the sketch seems to portray a more fleshy face. Despite the British-sounding (American or Jamaican) name, he looks vaguely Mideastern.



http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-named-serial-killer-mother-daughter-murders-md/story?id=11259640&page=3

I agree that the resemblance is not real close, but sketches done from witness accounts are approximations. I doubt that the victim had time to sit there and study all the details of his face.

Walker
08-24-2010, 11:38 PM
I agree that the resemblance is not real close, but sketches done from witness accounts are approximations. I doubt that the victim had time to sit there and study all the details of his face.

The personalities of the two criminals seem different: the sketch seems to portray a doltish, impulsive and brutal person with a low IQ, while Scott seems to be calculating, intelligent and deliberately evil.

But I agree. JMO: The victim may have been too terrified to remember his facial features clearly. Since she is foreign, she may also have been afraid of reprisals should the police take him into custody.

carbuff
08-25-2010, 07:25 AM
The personalities of the two criminals seem different: the sketch seems to portray a doltish, impulsive and brutal person with a low IQ, while Scott seems to be calculating, intelligent and deliberately evil.

But I agree. JMO: The victim may have been too terrified to remember his facial features clearly. Since she is foreign, she may also have been afraid of reprisals should the police take him into custody.

I agree, I doubt that Scott is the 2005 rapist. He looks younger than this guy was five years ago. I don't necessarily agree about the IQ part, but I agree in general that the 2005 rapist seems to have a more impulsive, violent personality than the very calculating Scott. But I also think it's too close to ignore.

If the victim feared reprisal, I don't think she would have cooperated with the sketch at all. But yeah, fear could have affected her memory of him. We don't know what the lighting conditions were or whether she even got a good look.

It's interesting to compare the Grim Sleeper sketches -- the woman who survived saw his face for quite a while before she realized she was in danger, but the sketch from her description is only a little like the guy they finally apprehended.

theforgotten
08-28-2010, 06:06 PM
Bumping for Morgan and praying that someone will be brought to justice soon!

arielilane
09-15-2010, 12:47 PM
Hoping for a break in the case. Justice for Morgan.

arielilane
09-15-2010, 12:50 PM
http://findmorgan.com/

UPCOMING EVENTS (http://findmorgan.com/upcoming-events/events-for-may-19th-2010)
9/16/10


Morgan’s skeletonized body was found at Anchorage Farm, Albemarle County on 1/26/10. The person(s) responsible remain at large, presumably still in the Charlottesville area. We ask that any information that might help in the investigation of this case be directed to: Virginia State Police tip line (434) 352-3467.

clarabelle
09-21-2010, 05:21 AM
http://saratogian.com/articles/2010/09/01/news/doc4c7d5a41c573b483440783.txt

Victory Mills man pleads guilty to selling narcotic patches that ultimately resulted in Washington County teen's death

Published: Wednesday, September 01, 2010
By EMILY DONOHUE, The Saratogian

SARATOGA SPRINGS — A Victory Mills man pleaded guilty Tuesday to selling Fentanyl patches prescribed to his father to a Washington County man. The patches ultimately wound up in the hands of 17-year-old Morgan Harrington, who died as a result of ingesting the narcotic.

James Slingerland, 33, of 51 Herkimer St., Victory Mills, pleaded guilty to third-degree attempted criminal sale of a controlled substance, a felony. The sale occurred in May 2009.

The patches had been prescribed to Slingerland’s now-deceased father as part of a cancer treatment. Fentanyl is a narcotic pain reliever that is often absorbed through the skin; it is 80 times more powerful than morphine.

Slingerland sold the patches to a Washington County man who then sold the patches to several teenagers, including Harrington. Harrington chewed the patch and ultimately died of acute Fentanyl intoxication.

Slingerland is scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 29 and will likely receive two years in state prison, plus 1-1/2 years post-release supervision.

FifthEssence
09-21-2010, 05:55 AM
I believe the 17yr old who died from the 'patch' was a young male from Albany County in NY.

NOT the female college student, Morgan Dana Harrington whose remains were found on a VA farm.


http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s1723257.shtml?cat=300
Posted at: 08/31/2010 10:18 PM
Updated at: 08/31/2010 11:14 PM

Officials say 17-year-old Morgan Harrington of Greenwich died in May of last year, after chewing and sucking on a Fentanyl patch, sending high doses of the drug directly into his stomach and system.

carbuff
09-21-2010, 02:21 PM
I believe the 17yr old who died from the 'patch' was a young male from Albany County in NY.

NOT the female college student, Morgan Dana Harrington whose remains were found on a VA farm.


http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s1723257.shtml?cat=300
Posted at: 08/31/2010 10:18 PM
Updated at: 08/31/2010 11:14 PM

Officials say 17-year-old Morgan Harrington of Greenwich died in May of last year, after chewing and sucking on a Fentanyl patch, sending high doses of the drug directly into his stomach and system.

Thanks. That was a bit startling there for a minute or two :p .

ETA: But what a bizarre coincidence!

clarabelle
09-21-2010, 02:37 PM
I believe the 17yr old who died from the 'patch' was a young male from Albany County in NY.

NOT the female college student, Morgan Dana Harrington whose remains were found on a VA farm.


http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s1723257.shtml?cat=300
Posted at: 08/31/2010 10:18 PM
Updated at: 08/31/2010 11:14 PM

Officials say 17-year-old Morgan Harrington of Greenwich died in May of last year, after chewing and sucking on a Fentanyl patch, sending high doses of the drug directly into his stomach and system.

Thank you! I thought that was bizarre.

arielilane
09-22-2010, 10:21 PM
That was bizarre. Thank you for clearing that up, Fifth.

Jamais
09-28-2010, 07:15 PM
Please keep Morgan and her family in your thoughts and prayers. Justice for all taken too soon.
J

Lindsaym
09-28-2010, 10:05 PM
Bumping for Morgan. It's long past time her killer was brought to justice. Her mom's blog on her website is so sad... I went and checked it today and saw that nobody even comments, anymore. Sad how quick we forget. :(

Jamais
09-29-2010, 05:59 PM
Bumping for Morgan. It's long past time her killer was brought to justice. Her mom's blog on her website is so sad... I went and checked it today and saw that nobody even comments, anymore. Sad how quick we forget. :(

Thank you for the reminder Lindsayma. I could not bear the thought of losing a child, especially losing a child under these horrific circumstances. May Justice come soon for Morgan.

quiqui
10-06-2010, 08:18 PM
Bumping for Morgan.

Prayers for her and her family this evening.

Jamais
10-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Morgan should not be gone from this earth. Too soon. So much to give to the world. Please help in finding the murderer. Prayers to Morgan's family. Let no other family feel this grief.

cluciano63
10-09-2010, 08:22 PM
A year next week since this beautiful young lady was murdered...prayers to her family and for justice...

arielilane
10-09-2010, 10:05 PM
We continue to work diligently with Law Enforcement to find justice for Morgan Dana Harrington and apprehend her killer(s). This is a difficult task during our worst nightmare with our limited energy and abilities. We will be successful though because of the strength we derive from the outpouring of love we have received from across the nation and beyond. Your support carries us as we continue to fight for Morgan and other precious children. We are so grateful to each of you. 2 4 1 The Harringtons
http://findmorgan.com/

The Harrington's have closed the forum.

theforgotten
10-10-2010, 01:22 PM
Wow, I just can't believe it's all most a year that Morgan was stolen from this world. They need to find the animal that did this and soon.

ThePhantom
10-10-2010, 02:19 PM
It is deeply unnerving and very frightening to know that this evil being is still roaming the highways and byways, hiding in plain sight, until his need to assault and murder reawakens. Even with forensic evidence, he is cunning enough to stay beneath the radar, disguising himself as a normal human being. Meanwhile, the Harringtons live day to day with the unending sadness of their daughter's horrific death, with no justice in sight. I cannot imagine it.

MBLover
10-11-2010, 08:01 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/263463

Trumping the evil: Slain student Morgan Harrington's parents have worked to turn their heartbreak to others' benefit
Morgan Harrington's body was found in January, and since that time her parents have worked to turn their heartbreak to others' benefit.

(more at link)

evelyn24
10-11-2010, 05:15 PM
It is deeply unnerving and very frightening to know that this evil being is still roaming the highways and byways, hiding in plain sight, until his need to assault and murder reawakens. Even with forensic evidence, he is cunning enough to stay beneath the radar, disguising himself as a normal human being. Meanwhile, the Harringtons live day to day with the unending sadness of their daughter's horrific death, with no justice in sight. I cannot imagine it.

That is the most frightening thing of all.
Why can't they catch this monster? They have a sketch and his DNA.
It's very frustrating nobody has come forward with his identity. He must be really good at hiding his sickness.

MBLover
10-11-2010, 05:24 PM
That is the most frightening thing of all.
Why can't they catch this monster? They have a sketch and his DNA.
It's very frustrating nobody has come forward with his identity. He must be really good at hiding his sickness.

And changing his looks - or that his looks have vastly changed since the sketch was done.

evelyn24
10-11-2010, 05:30 PM
It is deeply unnerving and very frightening to know that this evil being is still roaming the highways and byways, hiding in plain sight, until his need to assault and murder reawakens. Even with forensic evidence, he is cunning enough to stay beneath the radar, disguising himself as a normal human being. Meanwhile, the Harringtons live day to day with the unending sadness of their daughter's horrific death, with no justice in sight. I cannot imagine it.

That is the most frightening thing of all.
Why can't they catch this monster? They have a sketch and his DNA.
It's very frustrating nobody has come forward with his identity. He must be really good at hiding his sickness.

iluvmua
10-11-2010, 05:31 PM
Can't believe in 6 days it will be a year. RIP Morgan, You are NOT forgotten

arielilane
10-11-2010, 07:59 PM
Must be someone who is mixing in well with others. No prior arrest if DNA hasn't been matched?

carbuff
10-11-2010, 10:13 PM
That is the most frightening thing of all.
Why can't they catch this monster? They have a sketch and his DNA.
It's very frustrating nobody has come forward with his identity. He must be really good at hiding his sickness.

Or, if he's not from the area, maybe the person or people who might recognize him haven't seen the picture or heard that he's wanted in Virginia. Or maybe they're afraid to turn him in.

arielilane
10-12-2010, 06:24 AM
Or, if he's not from the area, maybe the person or people who might recognize him haven't seen the picture or heard that he's wanted in Virginia. Or maybe they're afraid to turn him in.
Maybe they are afraid to turn him in. Seems the person(s) responsible is familiar with the area Morgan was dumped.

arielilane
10-13-2010, 06:39 PM
http://findmorgan.com/new_site/wp-content/themes/milano/timthumb.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2010/10/morgan09.jpg&h=240&w=520&zc=1 (http://findmorgan.com/uncategorized/slide-photos/morgan_201005_06)

http://findmorgan.com/

waltzingmatilda
10-14-2010, 09:10 AM
Dan and Gil Harrington were on the Today show this morning. It was a great interview and tribute to Morgan. I will try and post a link when it is added to the Today site.

wm

ThePhantom
10-14-2010, 11:02 AM
The other thing that frightens me is that the predator who murdered Morgan doesn't even have his DNA on file anywhere -- so he's apparently someone who has managed to escape from being detected -- though it's hard for me to believe he has no criminal record!!

arielilane
10-16-2010, 08:27 PM
Richmond Times-Dispatch
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/oct/14/killer-cannot-erase-goodness-morgan-harringtons-pa-ar-562574/

Madison Eagle

http://www2.madison-news.com/news/2010/oct/14/killer-cannot-erase-goodness-morgan-harringtons-pa-ar-562574/

arielilane
10-16-2010, 08:32 PM
The other thing that frightens me is that the predator who murdered Morgan doesn't even have his DNA on file anywhere -- so he's apparently someone who has managed to escape from being detected -- though it's hard for me to believe he has no criminal record!! Exactly...scary. Eventually he will be caught. I just hope it's not because another life is taken.

LLLindsayy
10-16-2010, 08:36 PM
Tomorrow is depressing. I'll be spending lots of time remembering Morgan.

:Justice:

Truthful Lies
10-16-2010, 08:37 PM
Oh no...this was just put up on the Daily Progress...and sounds too familiar...and very, very close:

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2010/oct/16/another-attack-reported-uva-area-ar-567774/

"According to authorities, the woman had called UVa’s SafeRide program for a ride around 3 a.m. Someone grabbed her from behind as she was walking on Barracks Road near Rugby, police said, but she was able to fight him off."

Good summary of all the recent attacks =(

LLLindsayy
10-16-2010, 08:52 PM
Oh no...this was just put up on the Daily Progress...and sounds too familiar...and very, very close:

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2010/oct/16/another-attack-reported-uva-area-ar-567774/

"According to authorities, the woman had called UVa’s SafeRide program for a ride around 3 a.m. Someone grabbed her from behind as she was walking on Barracks Road near Rugby, police said, but she was able to fight him off."

Good summary of all the recent attacks =(


Too close for comfort!

I wonder if the victim got a look at this perp and I wonder if he resembles the sketch from the Fairfax assault?

arielilane
10-17-2010, 08:17 AM
Keeping a candle lit for Morgan. Justice will prevail one day...

fran
10-17-2010, 09:12 AM
http://hamptonroads.com/2010/10/parents-hope-girls-death-can-be-force-good

Parents hope girl's death can be force for good

The Roanoke Times
© October 17, 2010
By Amanda Codispoti

Shattered bones. A hollowed skull.

Morgan Harrington's killer reduced her to this, an image her mother can't shake.

In the year since Harrington, a 20-year-old Virginia Tech junior, disappeared at a Metallica concert at the University of Virginia, parents Gil and Dan Harrington have worked to celebrate their daughter's generous spirit and make sure she is remembered.

"For us, it's kind of trumping evil," Gil Harrington said. Her killer "doesn't win if we can make it into a good thing."

<<<<<<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

quiqui
10-17-2010, 11:10 AM
Thinking about Morgan today. We won't forget you!

Prayers for her family.

Sally10
10-17-2010, 01:20 PM
Does anyone know if the plaque presentation today at 2PM on Copely Road bridge will be live streamed anywhere?

waltzingmatilda
10-17-2010, 02:19 PM
Dan and Gil Harrington were on the Today show this morning. It was a great interview and tribute to Morgan. I will try and post a link when it is added to the Today site.

wm

My sincerest apologies for not posting this sooner. (been having computer problems lately)

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35141340/ns/today-today_people/

Thinking of Morgan today and remembering her family that was robbed of having this bright and beautiful young woman in their lives.

Blessings to them for continuing to keep her vivacious spirit alive. Mr. & Mrs Harrington are still so full of grief, yet are so strong in the face of tragedy. This interview made me cry.....

wm

ThePhantom
10-17-2010, 06:35 PM
There is a murderous animal afoot -- he's still around -- and not just in Charlottesville, but all throughout Virginia and for all we know -- beyond. We know a few years ago he was in Fairfax, VA. Where else has he been? Who else is missing that he might have done away with? Have DNA tests been done on other murdered women to see if he can be connected to their demise? I suspect he is a serial killer. Halloween is coming -- college parties, people outside -- beware, there is a predator in the area, and he's looking for any vulnerable female who most likely will never see him coming

CatGirl
10-18-2010, 10:19 AM
You know, I'm going to need to go back and re-read some of the articles, but I *thought* I read that testing from the 2005 assault indicated the perpetrator was of African American descent. Did anyone else see this? Also, was the victim able to guess at his age? He could be too young for the Colonial Hwy/Route 29 -- and yes, I think you're right -- I believe that person was identified as being Caucasian. Just looking for other assaults in the Virginia area (and beyond) for which he could be responsible.

He's a bold fellow-- bold and incredibly savage. I wonder if he's on meth or something else. How does he support himself? Did someone here mention the possibility that he might deal drugs? What was he doing in that area -- close to the UVA environs. His 2005 assault took place less than four miles from George Mason University I believe. Just thoughts...

I grew up in Fairfax County and went to VA Tech, so this case is especially interesting to me. My heart goes out to Morgan's family. This is just so sad.

ThePhantom... your post really hit on something that I had thought about myself. The proximity of the 2005 attack to George Mason... and Morgan's murder at UVA have me thinking the suspect is somehow tied to UVA and possibly George Mason. Could this man be a student (or grad student) at UVA? Perhaps he transferred from George Mason to UVA... thus the move from a large city to a small college town. From what I recall... Charlottesville is not very large. The University of Virginia is what draws most people there.

Also... has there been any further clarification on the suspect's ethnicity? I know he is described as being black, but that covers a large range of possibilities. I'm sure it's expensive, but I hope LE performs further analysis of his DNA. This creep needs to be apprehended before he hurts another innocent person!

Suthrnqt
10-18-2010, 12:06 PM
http://hamptonroads.com/2010/10/parents-hope-girls-death-can-be-force-good

Parents hope girl's death can be force for good

The Roanoke Times
© October 17, 2010
By Amanda Codispoti

Shattered bones. A hollowed skull.

Morgan Harrington's killer reduced her to this, an image her mother can't shake.

In the year since Harrington, a 20-year-old Virginia Tech junior, disappeared at a Metallica concert at the University of Virginia, parents Gil and Dan Harrington have worked to celebrate their daughter's generous spirit and make sure she is remembered.

"For us, it's kind of trumping evil," Gil Harrington said. Her killer "doesn't win if we can make it into a good thing."

<<<<<<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanx for the link to this article. Very interesting read.

*Jessica*
10-18-2010, 04:16 PM
To tell you the truth, I was never clear about the exact cause of Morgan's death, based on what the medical examiner released. Question: does the medical examiner have to release cause of death to the public? In certain cases, can this information be withheld, pending the outcome of further investigation? I know many of Morgan's bones were broken -- but nothing (as far as I know) was said as to how this was done -- were these blunt instrument injuries, crush injuries, vehicular related? Someone here once talked about the legal definition of "homocide" -- that this definition did not necessarily mean murder. Then, we heard Morgan's mother say Morgan was murdered. Was she? How do we know? Are we assuming this based upon the circumstances? I have been. I believe it was a brutal, horrible murder. I just don't know precisely how it was done. What do you think?

She had many broken bones??? WHAT?! do you have a link, or can someone post the link to where that was stated?? TIA

*Jessica*
10-18-2010, 04:24 PM
Never mind I found a link on it..

her parents, both medical professionals, say signs of violence were obvious on their daughter’s remains, which were released from evidence and returned to them in February.

“He chooses to kill in a savage and brutal way,” says Gil Harrington, an oncology nurse, of her daughter’s killer, “to break her bones before he murdered her.” Dan Harrington, a psychiatrist, confirms that his daughter’s skeleton showed “brutal damage.”

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/03/17/shattered-bones-harringtons-say-morgans-killer-is-violent-sadistic/

Sorry if that has been posted before I just now found out that information...wow..

*Jessica*
10-18-2010, 05:44 PM
"One Year Later: Harringtons Still Searching for Answers.."

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/One_Year_Later_Harringtons_Still_Search_for_Answer s_105160944.html

arielilane
10-20-2010, 07:16 PM
Never mind I found a link on it..

her parents, both medical professionals, say signs of violence were obvious on their daughter’s remains, which were released from evidence and returned to them in February.

“He chooses to kill in a savage and brutal way,” says Gil Harrington, an oncology nurse, of her daughter’s killer, “to break her bones before he murdered her.” Dan Harrington, a psychiatrist, confirms that his daughter’s skeleton showed “brutal damage.”

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/03/17/shattered-bones-harringtons-say-morgans-killer-is-violent-sadistic/

Sorry if that has been posted before I just now found out that information...wow..

Thank you for posting the article, Jessica. This monster has to be caught soon!

*Jessica*
10-20-2010, 07:38 PM
Thank you for posting the article, Jessica. This monster has to be caught soon!

You're welcome :)..I can only pray that it's sooner rather than later that he/she/they are caught..

Mountain Mama
11-03-2010, 03:59 PM
Just hoping that maybe the latest string of attacks in Charlottesville will lead to the one(s) who hurt Morgan. My heart goes out to all the young women who have had their sense of security taken away. This latest rash of crime around UVA makes me wonder if there has always been this much, and we just don't hear about it, or if there is one person who is coming out of hiding.

MBLover
11-06-2010, 11:32 PM
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj-morgan-harringtons-friends-and-110610,0,74885.story

Morgan Harrington's friends and family gather for the Road Rally for Justice for Morgan
The group traveled from Roanoke to Charlottesville and then to Fairfax.

(story at link)

hollye
11-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Hunt for Morgan Harrington's Killer Continues

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/The_Hunt_for_Morgan_Harrington_s_Killer_Continues_ Washington_DC-106828143.html


News4's Darcy Spencer talked to Harrington's parents as they brought their fight to find the killer to Fairfax County.

MLE
11-10-2010, 03:15 AM
Hunt for Morgan Harrington's Killer Continues

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/The_Hunt_for_Morgan_Harrington_s_Killer_Continues_ Washington_DC-106828143.html

In the video, it looks like the assault in Fairfax happened in an area where people would be around. To commit a crime of that nature in an area like that makes it look like the criminal doing these crimes probably has little if any self control. That first crime seems to have had no planning or strategy. It seems like he just flew by the seat of his pants and merely hoped he wouldn't get caught. He's relying on luck, not skill. So just like a fool in a casino, one of two things will ultimately happen:

A) He'll quit.

or

B) He'll keep rolling the dice and get busted.

carbuff
11-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Does this look like the same man? The description of the rapes/strangulations sounds rather similar. Phillie serial rapist/murder (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101117_Police__Strangling_survivor_s_story_sugge sts_mass_killer.html)

revampz
11-19-2010, 10:21 PM
looked at the above pictures....it could be the same guy.....the features are very similiar....ie eyes and mouth...maybe even nose......without the mo and the beard and with longer hair it would be a close resemblance.....the 2nd picture looks younger than the 1st.

MLE
11-20-2010, 07:28 AM
looked at the above pictures....it could be the same guy.....the features are very similiar....ie eyes and mouth...maybe even nose......without the mo and the beard and with longer hair it would be a close resemblance.....the 2nd picture looks younger than the 1st.

Plus the first picture is over five years old.

But I was watching a show last night on ID where a guy held up a convenience store, and when the cop who arrested the perp asked the cashier if he was the perp was the guy who robbed the store, she said he wasn't. The cop explained that victims are often unable to identify a perp because they're too focused on a weapon they're being threatened with, stress, etc. Nonetheless, the sketch and the DNA are apparently all there is to work with at this point in this case.

Mountain Mama
11-22-2010, 11:29 PM
Tonight the Charlottesville Fox news channel was planning on airing a segment about the Virginia State Police's techniques used in Morgan's case. Wish I lived closer and could have seen what they said. It was announced on the Fox 27 facebook page.

Mountain Mama
11-22-2010, 11:32 PM
This was an article from October:

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=2082782


This speaks about some new technology the VSP has:

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Police_Hope_New_Technology_Will_Convict_Morgan_Har ringtons_Killer_109988809.html

"Once an arrest is made, police hope they'll be able to show a courtroom how Morgan Harrington was murdered by actually animating her movements on that tragic October night. "

Hmmm ... sounds like they are making headway!

Mountain Mama
11-23-2010, 12:13 AM
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/11/cold-case-feature-morgan-harrington-murder-investigation/

"We know he (the man in the sketch) had contact with her (Morgan) the night of her disappearance, but they don’t know if he is responsible for her death. We are looking to identify and question him, and put the next pieces of the puzzle together.” Within 24 hours of releasing the sketch, the state police had 50 leads. Right now their time is spent eliminating duplicates between the departments and prioritizing the tips."

"Investigators are now searching for a vehicle they believe stopped in the middle of the bridge and possibly picked up Morgan. Also, investigators need the public’s help in finding a young woman the night of the Metallica concert that may have loaned her cell phone to Morgan."

Wow. This gal needs to come forward. I wonder why investigators believe a young woman loaned her phone to Morgan.?

carbuff
11-23-2010, 12:16 AM
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/11/cold-case-feature-morgan-harrington-murder-investigation/

"We know he (the man in the sketch) had contact with her (Morgan) the night of her disappearance, but they don’t know if he is responsible for her death. We are looking to identify and question him, and put the next pieces of the puzzle together.” Within 24 hours of releasing the sketch, the state police had 50 leads. Right now their time is spent eliminating duplicates between the departments and prioritizing the tips."

"Investigators are now searching for a vehicle they believe stopped in the middle of the bridge and possibly picked up Morgan. Also, investigators need the public’s help in finding a young woman the night of the Metallica concert that may have loaned her cell phone to Morgan."

Wow. This gal needs to come forward. I wonder why investigators believe a young woman loaned her phone to Morgan.?

There were rumors about the cell phone from very early on.

Fairy1
11-24-2010, 12:52 AM
Lord, please let them find this monster soon.

arielilane
12-08-2010, 10:18 PM
Does this look like the same man? The description of the rapes/strangulations sounds rather similar. Phillie serial rapist/murder (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20101117_Police__Strangling_survivor_s_story_sugge sts_mass_killer.html)
The nose and mouth area look similar to me.

PaulR
12-25-2010, 11:40 AM
Bumping for Morgan :-(

evelyn24
12-27-2010, 02:02 AM
Sad to see her family shut the forum down on findmorgan.com

arielilane
12-27-2010, 04:53 PM
Justice for Morgan

blondiex420
12-27-2010, 05:28 PM
is there anything more going on with this case? any forums specifically for morgan now since findmorgan is shut down?

evelyn24
12-28-2010, 06:18 PM
Not that I know of, Blondie. I guess the police are waiting for a DNA hit from another case or arrest to get their POI. It's amazing that this repeat offender doesn't have a criminal record that could give us a name along with the DNA. It's very frustrating waiting for him to slip up, or waiting to have someone give LE the goods on him.

arielilane
01-14-2011, 09:35 PM
Responding to Missing & Unidentified Persons





February 22-24, 2011 | Appleton, Wisconsin




Dr. Daniel and Gil Harrington are the parents of Morgan Harrington, a 20-year-old University of Virginia student who went missing from a Metallica concert in Charlottesville in October 2009. She was separated from her friends and was the subject of repeated searches. In January 2010, her skeletal remains were found on a Virginia farm, 10 minutes away from where she went missing. "We are a prime example of the pain and the difficulty that families have after someone goes missing. There's no template. Law enforcement, communities, and parents don't know what to do," states Dr. Harrington. Morgan's parents have appeared on the Today Show, Nancy Grace, America's Most Wanted and Dr. Phil. They have also traveled to Washington, DC to meet with Virginia senators and other lawmakers to lobby for funding to train law enforcement and to increase resources for the families of missing persons. Dr. Harrington and Gil will provide participants with a family perspective on their national efforts focusing on a heightened awareness of campus safety for college students.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1238&PID=81

quiqui
01-23-2011, 01:07 AM
bumping Morgan off of page 5.

It's been nearly a year since Morgan was found. I hope she has some justice soon.

:heartbeat:

Sally10
01-23-2011, 08:56 PM
Just my :twocents:, I can't find anything that says LE said the "forensic link" was DNA. Corrine Geller's statement said they believe the man in the sketch "may have come in contact with Morgan the night of the concert or the morning after". I couldn't figure that out for the longest time. Where did the "morning after" come from when LE stated and the parents that she was likely dead before the concert ended? There are multiple articles that state that the authors attempted to confirm that the evidence was DNA but the VSP declined to confirm or deny.

Then it hit me - the next morning is when the purse was turned in. I am thinking the "forensic link" was a fingerprint to do with the purse or phone.

Whatchuthink? :waitasec:

LadyBug99
01-25-2011, 10:18 AM
Just my :twocents:, I can't find anything that says LE said the "forensic link" was DNA. Corrine Geller's statement said they believe the man in the sketch "may have come in contact with Morgan the night of the concert or the morning after". I couldn't figure that out for the longest time. Where did the "morning after" come from when LE stated and the parents that she was likely dead before the concert ended? There are multiple articles that state that the authors attempted to confirm that the evidence was DNA but the VSP declined to confirm or deny.

Then it hit me - the next morning is when the purse was turned in. I am thinking the "forensic link" was a fingerprint to do with the purse or phone.

Whatchuthink? :waitasec:

At this point, I think anything is possible. It seems LE is hesitant to put any info out at all regarding this case. It's extremely frustrating. We all sit here and try to read between the lines.

In this latest article it states, "The difficult terrain of Anchorage Farm has led investigators to believe that the only suspect in the case, whose sketch was released in July of 2010, knew the farm and surrounding area well."

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Harringtons_Getting_First_Look_at_Site_of_Daughter s_Remains_114509359.html

IMO - that leads me to draw the conclusion that the "forensic link" had to have been discovered with Morgan's remains. The statement links Sketch to the location where she was found. But then again....who knows!! :banghead:

carbuff
01-25-2011, 10:44 AM
I agree -- and I think they know quite a lot more than they've let on.

Sally10
01-25-2011, 07:50 PM
This article shows potential new photos of Morgan inside JPJ arena. But I don't see leggings and one of the pictures looks like it is a shirt that is off the shoulder? There are tabs at the top of the article and one is for photos. Sorry I don't know how to post pictures.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Harringtons_Getting_First_Look_at_Site_of_Daughter s_Remains_114509359.html

Sally10
01-25-2011, 07:53 PM
Why do you all think they haven't released the cause of death, what jewelry she was or wasn't wearing, if the necklace was found or not, clothing that was missing or found with the skeleton, her whereabouts between 2PM and 6:15, and other things? Is all of that going to compromise a conviction of a suspect who exists only in a 5 year old sketch?

LE sure doesn't clarify much in this case. There is a lot of misinformation out there and it would be nice if they would just clear that up!:waitasec:

MBLover
01-25-2011, 08:33 PM
WSLS (Local NBC) did a news story on Morgan tonight, but cannot find any link to it on their web-site.

The media was invited to the farm (along with the Harrington's) and it showed the exact spot where Morgan was found. The person speaking said that whoever brought Morgan to the farm had to have intimate knowledge of the land because it was too risky a place to get stuck in the mud or tangled up in a fence.

Maybe wsls.com will update their web-site at some point this evening.

ETA:

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/25/state-police-retrace-steps-morgan-harrington-case-ar-798604/

State Police Special Agent Dino Cappuzzo is one of the officers who lead the walkthrough. Agent Cappuzzo said he wanted to show the public just how remote the location is. Cappuzzo believes the killer or killers had been to the location before.

"This is a location where someone is going to come where they feel comfortable. Where they feel a low degree of stress involved in coming here," said Agent Cappuzzo.

The investigator told reporters that behavioral specialists have analyzed the location. They believe the location would have been too risky for someone not familiar with the area to dump a body.

(More of story at link)

MBLover
01-25-2011, 08:36 PM
Here's WDBJ7's link for the story

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-murder-victims-last-steps-to-b-01242011,0,2091438.story

Murder Victim's last steps to be retraced Tuesday (Headline)

LLLindsayy
01-25-2011, 09:14 PM
Per DH, he will be on JVM tomorrow night.

chemcopout
01-25-2011, 09:23 PM
This article shows potential new photos of Morgan inside JPJ arena. But I don't see leggings and one of the pictures looks like it is a shirt that is off the shoulder? There are tabs at the top of the article and one is for photos. Sorry I don't know how to post pictures.

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Harringtons_Getting_First_Look_at_Site_of_Daughter s_Remains_114509359.html

its possible le didn't release the exact outfit she was wearing that night so they could differentiate the credible witnesses from the not credible ones..

chemcopout
01-25-2011, 09:30 PM
Just my :twocents:, I can't find anything that says LE said the "forensic link" was DNA. Corrine Geller's statement said they believe the man in the sketch "may have come in contact with Morgan the night of the concert or the morning after". I couldn't figure that out for the longest time. Where did the "morning after" come from when LE stated and the parents that she was likely dead before the concert ended? There are multiple articles that state that the authors attempted to confirm that the evidence was DNA but the VSP declined to confirm or deny.

Then it hit me - the next morning is when the purse was turned in. I am thinking the "forensic link" was a fingerprint to do with the purse or phone.

Whatchuthink? :waitasec:

what if the man in the sketch came into contact with an item of morgan's yet was not involved in her death?
imo, the sketch of the man involved in another rape doesn't fit the profile.

however if her killers knew him somehow maybe they passed off an item of hers to him to try and cast blame onto him?
would the suspect sketch of the rape in fairfax be familiar with that farm? would he feel safe there?

chemcopout
01-25-2011, 09:34 PM
I agree -- and I think they know quite a lot more than they've let on.

i second this opinion

seems the harringtons are pressing for va to make familial dna use to be brought into law in va.
familial dna was used in cali to catch the notorious grim sleeper.

"Use of the technique is being sought in at least two high-profile Virginia cases: the search for the so-called East Coast Rapist and the killer of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington."

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/jan/06/new-virginia-dna-searches-possible-ar-755967/

i may be wrong, however it seems like va might be trying to find a relative of the dna or have found one that is linked to morgan's death/

MBLover
01-26-2011, 07:11 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/274992

Headline from the Roanoke Times (local Newspaper):

One year later, Morgan Harrington's parents revisit hayfield in Charlottesville where her body was found

(article at link above)

LadyBug99
01-26-2011, 11:00 AM
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2011/jan/25/harringtons-retrace-slain-daughters-path-eve-anniv-ar-798833/

"Police have never recovered a necklace Harrington was wearing, Cappuzzo said."

The article also states that the forensic link is in fact DNA. However, they will not say where the DNA was found.

LadyBug99
01-26-2011, 11:02 AM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13904378

"Investigators don't think Morgan Harrington had on much more than tights, boots, and a mini-skirt."

kwatmac
01-26-2011, 01:01 PM
http://www.roanoke.com/274992

Quoted from the above article...bolded by me

"Cappuzzo said Morgan joined a group of male students who were leaving the arena and heading toward their cars in a lot at Lannigan Field, a spot where UVa athletes often park. Morgan occasionally supported herself along the way by leaning against parked cars, he said. They soon reached the vicinity of Lannigan Field -- where Morgan's backpacklike purse, umbrella and cellphone were later found.
"She asked them for a ride, but, based on her behavior, they did not give her a ride," he said.

None is a suspect, Cappuzzo said.

Morgan then walked to the nearby Copeley Road bridge and apparently began hitchhiking. Authorities believe a vehicle stopped and that Morgan probably entered willingly, he said.

In drizzling rain, she wore a black miniskirt, black tights, knee-high black boots with high heels and a black T-shirt with "Pantera" written on the front.

"She has no coat, the weather is beginning to deteriorate. She doesn't have her phone," Cappuzzo said. "She's in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road."

This is interesting and new info to me - Has it been stated before that her phone was recovered? I seem to remember that it was reported that ONLY the battery was found in the parking lot with her purse, and they didn't have her whole phone.

Also, this description essentially states that she left her things (purse, umbrella, 'phone')in the parking lot (for some reason) and then made her way to the bridge. What caused her to leave all her belongings behind in the parking lot and head to the bridge? The athletes left (after not giving her a ride) and then what happened before she walked to the bridge? Why was all her stuff left there?

This brings up many questions for me...

MBLover
01-26-2011, 01:15 PM
The phone was found...the battery was missing

carbuff
01-26-2011, 01:31 PM
http://www.roanoke.com/274992

Quoted from the above article...bolded by me

"Cappuzzo said Morgan joined a group of male students who were leaving the arena and heading toward their cars in a lot at Lannigan Field, a spot where UVa athletes often park. Morgan occasionally supported herself along the way by leaning against parked cars, he said. They soon reached the vicinity of Lannigan Field -- where Morgan's backpacklike purse, umbrella and cellphone were later found.
"She asked them for a ride, but, based on her behavior, they did not give her a ride," he said.

None is a suspect, Cappuzzo said.

Morgan then walked to the nearby Copeley Road bridge and apparently began hitchhiking. Authorities believe a vehicle stopped and that Morgan probably entered willingly, he said.

In drizzling rain, she wore a black miniskirt, black tights, knee-high black boots with high heels and a black T-shirt with "Pantera" written on the front.

"She has no coat, the weather is beginning to deteriorate. She doesn't have her phone," Cappuzzo said. "She's in a vulnerable and compromised position. The logical conclusion is that she got in a vehicle somewhere on Copeley Road between the bridge and the intersection with Ivy Road."

This is interesting and new info to me - Has it been stated before that her phone was recovered? I seem to remember that it was reported that ONLY the battery was found in the parking lot with her purse, and they didn't have her whole phone.

Also, this description essentially states that she left her things (purse, umbrella, 'phone')in the parking lot (for some reason) and then made her way to the bridge. What caused her to leave all her belongings behind in the parking lot and head to the bridge? The athletes left (after not giving her a ride) and then what happened before she walked to the bridge? Why was all her stuff left there?

This brings up many questions for me...

I think you have the phone part backwards -- they found the phone with no battery. Her mother said the battery often fell out.

It sounds to me like she left the stuff because she was too drunk/stoned/whatever to carry them. And if the phone's battery was missing it wouldn't have done her any good anyway. Presumably she wasn't thinking clearly, and if she was dressed that lightly in 40-ish degree weather, she could have been somewhat hypothermic already and not thinking clearly.

LadyBug99
01-26-2011, 02:30 PM
I think you have the phone part backwards -- they found the phone with no battery. Her mother said the battery often fell out.

It sounds to me like she left the stuff because she was too drunk/stoned/whatever to carry them. And if the phone's battery was missing it wouldn't have done her any good anyway. Presumably she wasn't thinking clearly, and if she was dressed that lightly in 40-ish degree weather, she could have been somewhat hypothermic already and not thinking clearly.

I agree with you. I believe Morgan was most likely extremely intoxicated hence her unusual and incoherent behavior. IMO it explains a lot. She most likely stumbled around finding herself outside of the arena. She did not call her friends for help. They were the ones to call her @8:48 to see where she was. I imagine Morgan fumbling around with her phone, dropping it numerous times, eventually losing the back and battery. Unable to make any phone calls, she walks around talking to any passerby she comes across. Sadly, it was most likely a passerby that saw her as an easy target and made his move.

In the beginning, I did not believe the hitchhiking theory but now it seems she may have been so drunk/high that she was most likely asking ANYONE for a ride. I think LE and her family did not want the public to judge the victim, leaving out some of the information about the state she was in that night.

ThePhantom
01-26-2011, 02:33 PM
Do you guys think this rapist/murderer is responsible only for the attacks on Morgan and the woman in Fairfax?

kwatmac
01-26-2011, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the phone clarification!

I wonder why, if she really was so intoxicated that she left all her belongings in the parking lot, that the athletes that walked with her, didn't try to help her out when she asked them for a ride. It was clearly obvious to them that she wasn't in a good state, I wonder why they didn't take her somewhere like a hospital if she was really so worse for wear.

carbuff
01-26-2011, 03:50 PM
Do you guys think this rapist/murderer is responsible only for the attacks on Morgan and the woman in Fairfax?

No. I think he's committed many other crimes, though Morgan might be the only one he murdered.

Kimster
01-26-2011, 08:36 PM
Her parents are on JVM right now. After finding her a year ago, they went to the site where her remains were found. :(

arielilane
01-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Her parents are on JVM right now. After finding her a year ago, they went to the site where her remains were found. :(
Thanks, Kimster. I just caught the last few minutes.

Claudette
01-26-2011, 11:33 PM
Wow...was today the one year anniversary? I've been following Morgan's case since the MSM started reporting on her right after her disappearance. I'll never forget it for the rest of my life and hope one day her family sees justice. They seem like such wonderful people and I really admire her parents, especially her mom. Her mom seems like a really cool lady, and I think the way she is handling all of this is great. I remember reading a blog post she wrote on their website where she talked very matter-of-factly about her daughter's death. She didn't want people to tip-toe around the subject. I couldn't have that attitude myself but admired the strength I could see in it.

chemcopout
01-27-2011, 08:25 PM
I think you have the phone part backwards -- they found the phone with no battery. Her mother said the battery often fell out.

It sounds to me like she left the stuff because she was too drunk/stoned/whatever to carry them. And if the phone's battery was missing it wouldn't have done her any good anyway. Presumably she wasn't thinking clearly, and if she was dressed that lightly in 40-ish degree weather, she could have been somewhat hypothermic already and not thinking clearly.

imo, i don't think she left her stuff behind since she was too drunk/drugged up.
i think either she was grabbed and took what she could or someone later dumped her stuff there.
her camera is still missing and never has been found

inebriated or not i'd think it'd be easier to keep all her stuff in one bag

Sally10
01-29-2011, 09:24 PM
:eek: Umbrella? Umbrella?

Who takes an umbrella to a concert? I don't think they will even let you in to a concert with one. Since it was rainy, was she USING the umbrella? ie was it OPEN? Why would you take an umbrella on a cold rainy night and not a jacket? wth?

This is the first I have heard of an umbrella. These items sound planted - like the tshirt IMO.

chemcopout
01-29-2011, 09:50 PM
:eek: Umbrella? Umbrella?

Who takes an umbrella to a concert? I don't think they will even let you in to a concert with one. Since it was rainy, was she USING the umbrella? ie was it OPEN? Why would you take an umbrella on a cold rainy night and not a jacket? wth?

This is the first I have heard of an umbrella. These items sound planted - like the tshirt IMO.

a lot of times in concerts it gets really hot inside as there's a lot of people, movement and body heat. to wear a coat it would be too hot, and one would have to leave it somewhere risking it getting stolen. when i've went to concerts i've always left my coat in the car and only brought in bare essentials. i don't think morgan planned to be outside as much as she was that night.

umbrella? that's a first i've heard mention as well, then again it's been awhile.
maybe the umbrella wasn't morgans? or it's possible it's morgan's yet likely was just never mentioned.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/274992

MBLover
01-29-2011, 10:02 PM
Could have been a compact umbrella and carried easily in her pocketbook?

Japandaaa
02-02-2011, 01:23 PM
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-police-slain-va-tech-students-necklace-missing-20110202,0,1926930.story

Japandaaa
02-02-2011, 03:54 PM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/275685

* includes a picture of her necklace.

LLLindsayy
02-02-2011, 05:35 PM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/275685

* includes a picture of her necklace.



From the above link:


Gil Harrington, Morgan's mother, now wears the bracelet. Investigators have not yet returned the ring, which features an imprint copied from a ring owned by Gil's father.

I do wonder why return one, but not the other? I wonder if the ring is where DNA was found from the perp?

LMax
02-02-2011, 06:52 PM
http://www.roanoke.com/dtiphotos/5301457.jpg
From Link above

Fairy1
02-02-2011, 09:52 PM
I am praying this will be the break that solves this case! Please somebody - do the right thing!!!

arielilane
02-04-2011, 10:13 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/275685

* includes a picture of her necklace. Thank you, for posting the article, Japandaaa.

From the link:

Gil Harrington said she wonders now whether her daughter's killer or killers kept the necklace as a trophy of the crime.

My thoughts are that the killer(s) kept the necklace.

MLE
02-04-2011, 09:45 PM
Thank you, for posting the article, Japandaaa.

From the link:

Gil Harrington said she wonders now whether her daughter's killer or killers kept the necklace as a trophy of the crime.

My thoughts are that the killer(s) kept the necklace.

I think so too, and I think it was kept as a trophy since he didn't take the other jewelry. It sounds like the gold ring had at least a half ounce of gold in it and it doesn't make any sense for him to leave it behind, or the bracelet, if he was taking jewelry for its financial value.

MLE
02-04-2011, 09:54 PM
As to whether or not her killer has killed other people, I was reading about Tommy Pitera, an incarcerated Bonanno family foot soldier and there was debate as to whether or not he was a bona fide serial killer or if most of his murders were him just doing his "job," for lack of a more appropriate term for what Mafia people do for a living. Pitera kept souvenirs from his victims which often included jewelry, which is apparently considered a common trait of serial killers.

MBLover
02-04-2011, 09:55 PM
Just throwin' this out there...

Looking at the pic of the necklace - it doesn't appear to have a heavy duty clasp and if there was a struggle in keeping her in the car or at some other point...he could have grabbed it and it would have probably broken or become unhooked.

I expect he did keep it as a trophy... But then again, it's a possibility that the necklace could have fallen off in his car or maybe even somewhere else there on the farm or elsewhere...

MLE
02-04-2011, 10:01 PM
Just throwin' this out there...

Looking at the pic of the necklace - it doesn't appear to have a heavy duty clasp and if there was a struggle in keeping her in the car or at some other point...he could have grabbed it and it would have probably broken or become unhooked.

I expect he did keep it as a trophy... But then again, it's a possibility that the necklace could have fallen off in his car or maybe even somewhere else there on the farm or elsewhere...

True. And if it fell off at or nearby the arena, someone would've likely picked it up and kept it, not realizing how it ended up there, considering the mass of humanity there would be at a rock concert, a university campus, and city of Charlottesville all rolled into one.

MBLover
02-05-2011, 12:32 AM
It would be nice to know if those ball players Morgan walked with for a bit noticed if she still had on the necklace at that time.

If, by chance, someone did pick it up and keep it - not realizing at the time or not even finding out until weeks later...I would expect that some people might panic at the thought of having it and be afraid of implication in Morgan's disappearance/death and be afraid to come forward with it - and maybe trashed it...

Hoosll
02-08-2011, 10:40 PM
readthehook.com has a new article which compiles a lot of the latest information released during the media tour. Just released tonight

KAE
02-09-2011, 06:51 AM
readthehook.com has a new article which compiles a lot of the latest information released during the media tour. Just released tonight

Thank you so much Hoosll. There's some new info in that article (new to me anyway).
Here's the link:
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case

bwf
02-09-2011, 11:41 AM
What gets me the most..... is how so many people knew that Morgan was not her self or acting normal. How tragic.... I do not know if i agree with the killer most likely did not drive by the houses. This is a person who with his first victim took her in a ver populated area "by a grocery store" and took her to a playground close to an apartment building????? If he was willing to do that IMO why not drive down a farm driveway at night?????JMO

bwf
02-09-2011, 11:50 AM
also what I thought was interesting was that they mention the bloodhounds lost her scent at The Food Of AllNations Grocery store. We know in the first attack he took his victim from a grocery store. makes me wonder if he was at the Food OF All Nations Store waiting for a victim???? And maybe she did not get in the car on her own?????

LadyBug99
02-09-2011, 01:54 PM
Thank you Hoosll. That article was very informative, hopefully this brings in new leads. He needs to be caught, as I believe he will do this again.

MLE
02-12-2011, 03:45 AM
The FBI is incompetent.

I sent my fingerprints to the FBI in early January because a clean criminal background check from the FBI is a requirement for a work visa for a job I've been offered in South Korea.

After waiting for weeks, I called the FBI yesterday to find out when I could expect the CBC to arrive (so I can make flight and other travel plans) and they informed me that they were unable to match my fingerprints I sent them to my fingerprints on file. If they couldn't tell who I am from two sets of prints of all ten fingers with my name and address on the form and envelope, how on Earth are they going to be able to match the DNA of the perp who attacked Morgan and the other lady in Virginia even if they have his DNA on record, which they may or may not have?

I hope the Harrington's have a good private detective working the case, because the FBI is just another clumsy government agency not unlike Fannie Mae, the Department of Education, the IRS, and all the rest.

chemcopout
02-17-2011, 05:50 PM
Thank you so much Hoosll. There's some new info in that article (new to me anyway).
Here's the link:
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case

what articles have been referring to is familial dna testing (what they caught the grim sleeper serial killer with in cali). not just random dna testing of a specific ethnic group etc.

so if le has the killers dna, and he happens to have a relative that has a criminal record or dna in the system, then they got a match.

it's how they caught the grim sleeper.

what i don't understand is this guy from the fairfax rape, ok so they have his dna, yet if you want to compare the 2 different cases, it just doesn't fit.

he should have more victims. you don't usually go from rape (other victim got away) then to drastic murder and covering your tracks.

2005 he rapes someone, who gets away. the victim is of middle eastern descent. he grabs her and sexually assaults her in a nearby parking lot of a park. then in morgan's case he just up and snatches her without any witnesses, takes her to a crime scene that is not known? then dumps her on the farm.

it's about 2 hours and 15 mins distance between fairfax and charlottesville,va. what made the rapist/suspect move? no one knows this guy in the sketch; maybe the sketch is very off?

where did he learn to evolve in between 2005 and morgan? where's the victims or bodies?

you'd think the guy was studying how to be a serial killer in the meantime.

so the fairfax guy happened to be in town? does he drive? does anyone even know his name? would he actually be living in that area and familiar with the farm down to a science that he could get away with body dumping and covering up his tracks a little bit? maybe he had help from some local friends?
that would seem more likely.

maybe he is involved in some way, yet i just can't see this guy as the killer, it doesn't fit. maybe he helped the killers or knows them.

what type of his dna do they have? is it semen, or just dna from touching something?

carbuff
02-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Those are good questions.

They haven't said what kind of DNA. They only just recently confirmed that it was DNA and not fingerprints or some other evidence.

Just some thoughts on the other issues you bring up. It's possible the connection goes the other way: he's a Charlottesville native who happened to be in Fairfax for some reason. Or he could have been in Charlottesville for the same reason as Moran was, to see the concert.

Not all murderers are thrill killers or serial killers. Maybe he didn't intend to kill her, but caused her death while kidnapping or forcing her?

MBLover
02-17-2011, 06:53 PM
I believe the sketch must be way off...

This person could have been out of the public eye for a while. I would think it's possible he may have been arrested for something other and was doing time in prison...Or maybe he lived in another state for a while.

Just throwin' that out there...

arielilane
02-19-2011, 03:37 PM
Thank you so much Hoosll. There's some new info in that article (new to me anyway).
Here's the link:
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case From the link:
As the father and daughter traveled toward Ivy Road and over the railroad bridge, the ordinary ride suddenly took them past an unusual sight. A young woman, dressed all in black with long blond hair, was standing on the bridge with her thumb extended in the classic hitchhiking gesture.
The pair would soon learn that they were among the last to see Morgan Dana Harrington alive.


Details revealed
During a recent tour tracing Morgan's last known steps, Virginia State Police Special Agent Dino Cappuzzo shared the story of that father and daughter-- and revealed that it was their witness testimony that permitted police to pinpoint the time Morgan was likely abducted.

The father, whose identity has not been revealed, dropped his daughter off at her dorm, Cappuzzo says, a few minutes after the bridge crossing. Her electronic key was logged at 9:23pm by her dorm's security system.

On his way back to his hotel, the father stopped at the 7-11 convenience store on Ivy Road, says Cappuzzo. There, another time-stamp--- this one in the form of a register receipt--- provided police with another objective time mark around 9:30pm. When the father left the 7-11 and returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later, Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.

Within approximately 10 minutes of those two bridge crossings, two other unrelated witnesses reported to police that they'd seen a blond woman hitchhiking there. Cappuzzo says all witnesses' stories have been thoroughly vetted by police, and none are considered suspects.

katydid23
02-19-2011, 04:06 PM
When my daughter was 15 she went to a concert at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. I was nervous but she went with 4 friends and they promised to stay together.

The lines to get in were very long and they waited an hour to get to the front where they would be frisked and searched, right before the ticket gates.

The lines merged together at this point, and my daughter was at the end of her group of friends. A man on a loudspeaker told everyone to get their tickets out and ready before they hit the gates. My daughter was at the front of the line to be frisked, and her friends had just gone through.

She took her ticket out, just like the man said to, and suddenly, a kid ran up behind her and grabbed her ticket and took off. She was stunned. In shock, she stepped forward and stammered to the attendant that her ticket was just stolen. Move away from ther line, Get away, GO, that is what she was told.

Her friends were already in, and she called them but their phones were off. [ we found out later they had no service inside the venue.]

So, much like Morgan, my young daughter was all alone in the parking lot at night, in a
large city. She called my son immediately, who was 19, and he and his gf headed over there. But they were an hour away at least.

Anyway, things worked out, because she was able to purchase another ticket and also 2 of her friends had finally reached her by cell, and waited at the entrance for her to get back in.

My point is that something like this can happen in a split second. When I was talking to my crying daughter in the first minutes, she said ' Don't worry mom, the security guard is right here.' YIKES. that scared me even more. I asked to speak to him and he told me his name, and the company he worked for and the phone number. My husband called the number from his cell and we relaxed when we found it was a real company that had the contract to work the concert.

When I heard Morgan was missing I showed the story to my daughter and explained again how lucky she was but also how smart she was in terms of how she responded to the challenge. If she had been drunk, or if she had just walked off alone into the darkness it might have been tragic. I think that these large venues need to have a safe place for kids to wait in cases like this.

Also, being 15 my daughter was afraid. Sadly, college girls feel more confident and they do not always recognize the dangers. I am so sad about how this one ended. Bless her sweet soul.

chemcopout
02-20-2011, 06:34 PM
The FBI is incompetent.

I sent my fingerprints to the FBI in early January because a clean criminal background check from the FBI is a requirement for a work visa for a job I've been offered in South Korea.

After waiting for weeks, I called the FBI yesterday to find out when I could expect the CBC to arrive (so I can make flight and other travel plans) and they informed me that they were unable to match my fingerprints I sent them to my fingerprints on file. If they couldn't tell who I am from two sets of prints of all ten fingers with my name and address on the form and envelope, how on Earth are they going to be able to match the DNA of the perp who attacked Morgan and the other lady in Virginia even if they have his DNA on record, which they may or may not have?

I hope the Harrington's have a good private detective working the case, because the FBI is just another clumsy government agency not unlike Fannie Mae, the Department of Education, the IRS, and all the rest.

i tend to disagree with your statement. maybe the fbi was too busy working on some criminal cases to get you your fingerprints for your work visa.

it also could have been an individual or the sector you sent it to; rather than the whole FBI as a whole.

chemcopout
02-20-2011, 06:36 PM
Those are good questions.

They haven't said what kind of DNA. They only just recently confirmed that it was DNA and not fingerprints or some other evidence.

Just some thoughts on the other issues you bring up. It's possible the connection goes the other way: he's a Charlottesville native who happened to be in Fairfax for some reason. Or he could have been in Charlottesville for the same reason as Moran was, to see the concert.

Not all murderers are thrill killers or serial killers. Maybe he didn't intend to kill her, but caused her death while kidnapping or forcing her?

anything is possible carbuff; however i truly believe that the killer(s) intended to kill morgan. at what point their intent turned to murder i don't know; maybe they intended to kill her all along.

chemcopout
02-20-2011, 06:40 PM
When my daughter was 15 she went to a concert at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. I was nervous but she went with 4 friends and they promised to stay together.

The lines to get in were very long and they waited an hour to get to the front where they would be frisked and searched, right before the ticket gates.

The lines merged together at this point, and my daughter was at the end of her group of friends. A man on a loudspeaker told everyone to get their tickets out and ready before they hit the gates. My daughter was at the front of the line to be frisked, and her friends had just gone through.

She took her ticket out, just like the man said to, and suddenly, a kid ran up behind her and grabbed her ticket and took off. She was stunned. In shock, she stepped forward and stammered to the attendant that her ticket was just stolen. Move away from ther line, Get away, GO, that is what she was told.

Her friends were already in, and she called them but their phones were off. [ we found out later they had no service inside the venue.]

So, much like Morgan, my young daughter was all alone in the parking lot at night, in a
large city. She called my son immediately, who was 19, and he and his gf headed over there. But they were an hour away at least.

Anyway, things worked out, because she was able to purchase another ticket and also 2 of her friends had finally reached her by cell, and waited at the entrance for her to get back in.

My point is that something like this can happen in a split second. When I was talking to my crying daughter in the first minutes, she said ' Don't worry mom, the security guard is right here.' YIKES. that scared me even more. I asked to speak to him and he told me his name, and the company he worked for and the phone number. My husband called the number from his cell and we relaxed when we found it was a real company that had the contract to work the concert.

When I heard Morgan was missing I showed the story to my daughter and explained again how lucky she was but also how smart she was in terms of how she responded to the challenge. If she had been drunk, or if she had just walked off alone into the darkness it might have been tragic. I think that these large venues need to have a safe place for kids to wait in cases like this.

Also, being 15 my daughter was afraid. Sadly, college girls feel more confident and they do not always recognize the dangers. I am so sad about how this one ended. Bless her sweet soul.

thank you for sharing your daughter's story. i too am familiar with the procedures of those who go to concerts and i can sure attest that those that work the concerts could care less about the concertgoers.

if you don't have a ticket, they don't care if it were stolen, etc.

they really need to make a national policy for girls and women who either get locked out of a concert, lose their ticket, get their ticket stolen, etc to let them back inside.

a safe place for them to wait, as you mentioned, would be ideal.

goldiegirl
02-20-2011, 09:10 PM
The answers to these questions won't help in the least in solving this case, but while they don't matter, they are interesting to me.

-First question is I wonder why Morgan didn't call her parents. She had her phone. Kind of a dumb question, though, because it doesn't matter. I can also kind of understand her not wanting to call them because she didn't want to get in trouble for something and may not have been thinking clearly.

-Second question, I wonder to where Morgan was trying to get a ride. Where did she ask the basketball players in the RV lot to take her? Where did she plan to ask whoever picked her up while hitchhiking to take her?

Obviously, these things don't matter, because she didn't call her parents, and she didn't end up where she asked to go, so this has nothing to do with what did end up happening to her. Obviously, it's clear that Morgan wasn't acting like herself, so I guess that's the answer to my questions.

For whatever reason, she chose to ask random people for rides instead of call her parents to come get her. Obivously, she wasn't planning on having them take her back home, or why not just call her parents? Hopefully this will serve as a cautionary tale and an example of why parents need to have the conversation with their kids, "No matter what, you can always call us if you need a ride," and MEAN IT. I'm not saying this incident was Morgan's fault at all, and I'm not saying parents should be happy with their children's choices if they've made poor ones. Of course parents need to stick to their rules, but I remember the feeling of wanting to do something ten times as stupid as I'd already done just to try to keep my parents from finding out. What I hope is that parents can use this case to illustrate to their kids that any amount of trouble they will get in at home is ALWAYS better than what happened in this case. It's never worth the risk. I hope this case has also inspired parents to come up with safety plans before their children leave for an event, and I hope it's also encouraged children to take their parents seriously. Now, I know Morgan wasn't a "child" and that she didn't live at home anymore and probably would not have gotten into any actual trouble, but I think these lessons still apply. There's no good solution to this problem, because everyone has things about them they don't want their parents to find out when they're growing up. It's sad, because I can totally relate to Morgan's decisions, but sitting here on the couch in my warm, cozy home I just wish she would have chosen something else.

Anyway... not terribly important questions. I think about this case a lot and am really hoping for a resolution.

chemcopout
02-24-2011, 02:31 PM
hi goldiegirl, welcome to websleuths =)

those are good questions, and i honestly believe that the answers do matter, as every little bit is a piece to solve this puzzle of morgan's murder.

morgan was an adult, and from what i remember her friends present were meeting up afterwards, after the concert was over. i don't know if they were going to have their own shindig or what, i can't remember the details.

it's possible maybe morgan had plans of her own to go meet up with someone or go to a nearby party. it's a college town, and colleges always have parties. i know when i was in college, there were always campus parties going on.

i'm sure if she called her folks they would have came and got her, i just don't think that was her plan for the evening. her friends had her car and the keys, maybe they were going to meet up later or the next day after going to a party? by the term "party" i use this loosely to mean anywhere to a couple of friends to a full out bash.

as you mention parents stressing to their children does makes sense. however these concerts need to change their policy and as someone mentioned earlier, make a "safe zone" for those who get locked out of the concert. be it their ticket lost, stolen, etc.
that way they have a safe area to wait in and not just wander around outside.

Walker
02-26-2011, 12:30 AM
For whatever reason, she chose to ask random people for rides instead of call her parents to come get her. Obivously, she wasn't planning on having them take her back home, or why not just call her parents?

Driving from Roanoke to Charlotteville (120 miles) would take about 2 hours; but maybe her parents could have arranged a ride since her mother had C'ville roots.

The latest Hook article suggests the following time line:
http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case


After 8:00 pm, Morgan left companions during Lamb of God performance;
time? may have gone to ladies room;
time? fell and suffered minor facial injury;
time? leaves arena, while acknowledging ticket taker's warning about the no re-admittance policy;
At exactly 8:48 pm, Morgan accepts a cell phone call from SS;
time? interaction with man waiting outside, kicking him;
At about 9:00 pm, Morgan joins a group of bb players and leaves the area walking through the parking lots towards the RV lot;
About 9:20 pm, Morgan seen on bridge by father and daughter;
At 9:30 pm, her phone goes dead. Father returning does not see her on the bridge.

Note how short the apparent time frame is. Therefore, Morgan did not spend a huge amount of time trying to get back into the concert. SS made suggestions, but Morgan left the arena area only 12 minutes after speaking to her. Many people offered their assistance, but Morgan refused their help.

Seems as though Morgan was just waiting around --- for Metallica to go on stage? At that point, all the parking lots would be deserted.

Just a theory: Maybe Morgan had it in mind to "disappear" for a little while. Was she stressed at college? Depressed?

Say some group of acquaintances encouraged her in this tentative idea to just run away for a little while -- "to get her head together" or something along those lines. Maybe they talked her into hiding out in the country.

What would be the group's plan?

Morgan could not be seen getting into anyone's car, so they needed to be sure that the parking lots were relatively vacant as they would be after the main act took the stage. They needed a meeting place --- maybe the parking lot of one of the office buildings across from the entrance of the RV lot. But perhaps Morgan had mixed feelings, and at the last moment tried to get a ride from the bb players instead. Later, on the bridge, maybe this person or group found her & she willingly accepted a ride.

Note that 241 Copeley Road is right across from that RV lot entrance according to Mapquest. "2-4-1" was Morgan's special slogan. Might they choose that landmark as their meeting place? Since it is not part of UVA (?), there might not be an increased police presence there despite the concert.

A half-hearted run-away plan would explain why Morgan did not call anyone (police could trace calls & ping their locations), why she did not persist in trying to get back into the arena, why she refused assistance, why the phone went dead at apparently the same time she may have been picked up at the bridge, why she was dressed inappropriately for a long time outside on a cold rainy night (that is, she expected the acquaintances to pick her up shortly), why she headed toward the RV lot, and also why that weird scroll painting was photographed at AF in the same week (10/24/09 date of the 7-mile Sleepover).

The scroll image of Kali (South Asian goddess) strongly resembles Morgan, and the jewelry "Kali" is wearing is similar to Morgan's jewelry. Part of the scroll also depicts the story of the young Buddha's "Renunciation" in which he runs away from his wealthy family & happy marriage to seek enlightenment. (JMO: Morgan herself drew this segment).

The fact that the killers did not take Morgan's bracelet & gold ring might indicate that they were acquaintances capable of feeling some trace level of remorse. Since Morgan was a college student at VTech, seems likely that her social circle revolved mainly around VTech, where her studies included South Asian religions. She was planning to take a trip to Nepal with her art teacher.

Also, the 2005 Fairfax victim was from South Asia, (which includes India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Tibet ... ) according to the Hook she spoke a language similar to Urdu. Is Morgan's interest in South Asia just a coincidence? Expatriates are often preyed upon by people from their own country or part of the world.

Maybe this group (which included Sketch) had planned to kill Morgan.

Walker
02-26-2011, 01:05 AM
One objection to the "run-away" theory is that Morgan did not need to wait until the night of the Metallica concert to disappear. She might have simply boarded a bus on any Tuesday morning, for example.

Or did that particular date have significance to the group of killers?

The date 10/17/09 corresponded to the new moon of October & an important South Asian festival, the Kali Puja.

http://www.indiafolks.com/history-and-culture/indian-festivals/when-is-kali-puja-kali-puja-dates-legends-celebrations-ritual

Kali worship is sometimes associated with cults, and even in some very rare cases with human sacrifice.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,501020729-322673,00.html

Article: Killing for 'Mother' Kali
By Alex Perry atapur

Quote from the above link:

For the magic to work, the killing had to be done just right. If the goddess were to grant Khudu Karmakar the awesome powers he expected from a virgin's death, the victim had to be willing, had to know what was happening, watch the knife, and not stop it. But even tranquilizers couldn't lull 15-year-old Manju Kumari to her fate.

chemcopout
03-02-2011, 12:17 AM
walker, honestly from what i've read and heard from my wife about this case, i doubt that morgan wanted to "disappear" for awhile. she could have easily done that at anytime and she had nothing packed with her. her car was left with her friends who had her keys. one of the friends was designated driver. who would "take off" for awhile without their car or packing anything? it just doesn't fit imo

that she was a cult ritual victim for sacrifice to the kali goddess by hindus is kind of well... absurd.

how can you say that morgan's jewelry is even remotely close to that of images of kali? the images googled all show kali wearing huge beaded type necklace(s). it's too large a leap for me to come to those conclusions. a lot of images of kali show her wearing various different necklaces anyway.

the victim in fairfax was likely "convenient" at the time for the suspect who raped her.

it's a jump to go from rape and then to murder. one would think he's had more victims in the meantime if he is the killer in morgan's case.

here's i believe an updated article:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=346113&paper=63&cat=104

if he was to graduate from rape to murder, then where are the other victims? have they been reported missing? have any unidentified bodies been found?

what if this guy from fairfax had some friends in charlottesville and was with them that night. combined with their extra testosterone and drugs/alcohol they picked up morgan, then the combination of disaster struck? just a theory...
while he may have raped a woman in fairfax, he still may not be the murderer. we have never heard what type of dna they found. we don't know if it's semen, or skin cells, hair etc.

not to mention the man in the sketch hasn't been found. as someone mentioned, the sketch must be very off.

did vsp ever mention for the suspect sketch is intimately familiar with the anchorage farm area?

there were rumors he was a drug dealer however they came off a bad source site, so anything is possible i guess. coupled with the parties at the farm i suppose he could have been there dealing drugs in the past.

Walker
03-02-2011, 04:37 AM
Just to clarify: My comments relate only to the AF scroll and not any other images of Kali.

AF scroll:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=735702175&aid=157216&s=0&hash=89e8240f3b8560bd6da228d6f6cb9afb

Image #14. JMO: Morgan as Kali.

Image #12. JMO: Buddha leaving his beloved wife as she sleeps.

The AF photos were uploaded in late October and November 2009. They are related to an event called the "7-mile" Sleepover which took place at Anchorage Farm on Saturday, October 24, 2009: Morgan disappeared on Saturday, October 17, 2009.


walker, honestly from what i've read and heard from my wife about this case, i doubt that morgan wanted to "disappear" for awhile. she could have easily done that at anytime and she had nothing packed with her.

In the story (depicted in the AF scroll), Buddha leaves his happy home, and takes almost nothing with him. He departs in the middle of the night, while his wife and newborn son are sleeping. That he takes almost nothing with him is an important part of the story. In some traditions, he then sends even those very few belongings back home to his wife on his white horse.

Also, Morgan did take some jewelry with her which was both very expensive & of great sentimental value. Who knows what she had in her pack?

According to Morgan's father, AM kissed Morgan as she left her and their other two companions in the arena. Maybe AM intuited that she would not be seeing her friend soon again.


her car was left with her friends who had her keys. one of the friends was designated driver. who would "take off" for awhile without their car or packing anything? it just doesn't fit imo

The group of acquaintances may have talked her into hiding out in the country. College kids can be suggestible. And, maybe it all seemed harmless, like a game. Maybe they invited her to a Kali-Puja "sleepover" event, but she didn't really want to go. For some unknown reason, she seems to have felt obligated to go. Maybe one of the group had manipulated her with pity?

Note: Morgan had three major interactions after leaving her companions at the concert: 1. She apparently tried to persuade an older man to take her somewhere, and was rejected. He says that she then kicked him; 2. She asked members of bb team to give her a ride to a location which has not been disclosed by LE; 3. she tried to "hitch" a ride from another college girl and her dad. Therefore, we see a pattern of avoidance: she clearly was trying to get away from the area, but yet witnesses say that she expressed no great distress.

Other people too might have helped her; for example, the "curtsy" witnesses in the RV lot, but she never requested any type of emergency assistance.

JMO: She was only ducking the group for social reasons (i.e. they were bores) rather than fleeing what she perceived at that point as a violent threat.


that she was a cult ritual victim for sacrifice to the kali goddess by hindus is kind of well... absurd.

The group were not real Hindus, except for maybe one.

Just a guess: one Nepali/West Bengali ("Sketch") who works at VTech as an H1B/graduate student, his American gf (who is VTech student/employee), and two other American "New Age" types.

JMO: The starting place in any murder investigation should be the victim's immediate social milieu. An education major at VTech, Morgan supported the "Free Tibet" cause, and studied South Asian culture. Her dorm room & room at home were decorated with Tibetan Buddhist prayer flags, and she was planning a trip to Nepal.

Sometimes college students can be naive. Human sacrifice is practiced in remote parts of countries like Nepal. These third-world countries can be dangerous.

And VTech has a history of accepting troubled foreign students.
1. 2009 Beheading incident: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482025,00.html
2. 2007 Shooting massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho


What was the motive?

If Morgan were killed by an ex-bf, LE would have a suspect by now. Likely there would have been a history of threats.

If Morgan were killed by a drug dealer, then likely the murder would be an execution-style bullet to the back of the head. Instead her body was apparently hacked up and her bones shattered. No drug dealer would bother with placing the pack back in the RV lot or placing the tee shirt in a busy C'ville neighborhood later on.

If Morgan were killed for money, the killers would have taken her money and her jewelry, esp. a large gold ring she was wearing.

Interestingly, the abduction may have been perpetrated by a group which included one female. Therefore, the crime is less likely to have been motivated by merely the need to cover up a rape.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/25/state-police-retrace-steps-morgan-harrington-case-ar-798604/

VSP Special Agent Dino Cappuzzo’s statement:



she got into a vehicle in Charlotteville on Copeley Road, and within a short period of time she was brought here. I feel confident that somebody out there knows that that person who allowed her to get into her vehicle or put her in their vehicle has not come forward.


how can you say that morgan's jewelry is even remotely close to that of images of kali? the images googled all show kali wearing huge beaded type necklace(s). it's too large a leap for me to come to those conclusions. a lot of images of kali show her wearing various different necklaces anyway.

In the AF scroll, the image of Kali is depicted as wearing a large cuff bracelet and a necklace. They are not identical to Morgan's jewelry, but this combination of jewelry seems an odd coincidence.



the victim in fairfax was likely "convenient" at the time for the suspect who raped her.

Possible, but expats are most often preyed upon by people who are from their same part of the world. Could she have been his ex? Was the incident bias related? Did she convert to Islam? Was she becoming "too Western"?


it's a jump to go from rape and then to murder. one would think he's had more victims in the meantime if he is the killer in morgan's case.

Possibly.

If the Fairfax crime were a crime of passion against a former gf, maybe not.



not to mention the man in the sketch hasn't been found. as someone mentioned, the sketch must be very off.

The victim was a foreigner in a strange country. She may have been afraid of implicating someone from her same group. Or she may have feared retaliation. The police didn't seem very confident in the sketch. Did she try to make it sound like a random street crime?


did vsp ever mention for the suspect sketch is intimately familiar with the anchorage farm area?

The perps did not need to be intimately familiar with the area. What if they were experienced in navigating rugged terrain? Military trained, maybe foreign ex-military or maybe a highly experienced backpacker? Likely, at least one perp had been to AF before, and knew the lay of the land, but they don't all have be from NG.

One possibility is that one of the perps was actually living camp-style on the farm at some point in time. He could have hitched the train up to C'ville to sell psilocybin mushrooms to UVA students in the RV lot. Might have been able to survive there undetected for a long time.

Note the "Old Campsite": ***All sizes | Morgan Harrington Path? | Flickr - Photo Sharing!@@AMEPARAM@@http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4320935664_fcbf3df0c2_m.jpg@@AMEPARAM@@4320935664@ @AMEPARAM@@fcbf3df0c2


there were rumors he was a drug dealer however they came off a bad source site, so anything is possible i guess. coupled with the parties at the farm i suppose he could have been there dealing drugs in the past.

Psilocybin mushrooms grew on the farm, probably other farms in the area, too. Could they have been trading in hallucinogens?

HOWEVER, the preceding opinion is only a theory, and other explanations of the crime are possible.

angel10510
03-02-2011, 05:55 AM
So...we're back to the cult ritual theory again? Wasn't it a sort of Manson family thing last time? Now a Hindu ritual?

carbuff
03-02-2011, 01:05 PM
I think you ought to take up writing thrillers, Walker. That's a great story.

Walker
03-02-2011, 02:39 PM
So...we're back to the cult ritual theory again? Wasn't it a sort of Manson family thing last time? Now a Hindu ritual?

The two theories are just the same. The Manson family is a prototype for a group of mentally unstable individuals who suffered delusions, abused & traded illegal drugs and killed people for no logical reason.

Note: Some people thought that I meant that Manson himself was involved; what I meant was someone like a Manson.

Remember that a random attack by a stranger would not likely include drawing a scroll painting, leaving expensive & highly identifiable jewelry on the scene or planting tee shirts on a busy public street.

Walker
03-02-2011, 03:00 PM
I think you ought to take up writing thrillers, Walker. That's a great story.

It's a painful story because it could be true or partly true.

No matter who is responsible, it's a painful story.

No matter who the perps are, their violence was senseless, and their motives based only on delusions, ignorance and jealousy.

carbuff
03-02-2011, 03:40 PM
It's a painful story because it could be true or partly true.

No matter who is responsible, it's a painful story.

No matter who the perps are, their violence was senseless, and their motives based only on delusions, ignorance and jealousy.

I can totally agree with you on that.

Walker
03-02-2011, 04:43 PM
An innocent college girl gets killed for no reason. In the public mind, who have been the main suspects?

Not in any particular order, partial list follows:


1. Athletes
2. Frat boys
3. childhood bffs who were like sisters
4. LE moonlighting as security guards
5. goth musicians and fans
6. drug dealers
7. rich young men who grew up in NG
8. total stranger acting alone
9. middle-aged guy waiting outside arena for gf


Now #6 is a reasonable possibility; after all, drug dealers are acting against the law, and they are therefore more likely to commit a crime. What would a drug dealer gain from killing Morgan? We would need something more to explain the involvement of drug dealers.

#8 too is reasonable; but the perp of a violent crime usually knows their victim personally, and this crime was extremely violent. And, we would need to explain (among other details) why the stranger planted the tee shirt in the busy student neighborhood instead of just burning it.

The rest of the choices are just based on silly TV stereotypes. No matter what one might think of frats, for example, they just aren't likely to murder anyone.

The most obvious question should be, Who was Morgan actually socializing with at VTech? Through her intense interest in certain foreign cultures and travel, could she have come into contact with a mentally unbalanced foreigner?

The perps did not necessarily include a foreigner; (who knows?) maybe a frat did this crime or a bb team or a goth band or police officers. But let's at least ask, Who was Morgan socializing with at VTech?

goldiegirl
03-02-2011, 08:11 PM
I'm really confused about this scroll. I have gone back quite a few pages, and I don't understand where this scroll came from. I'm sorry to bring up something that's already been explained, but can someone please give me a quick rundown? Is this just a theory, or was there an actual scroll found somewhere that is confirmed to be connected to Morgan's case?

carbuff
03-03-2011, 12:04 AM
I'm really confused about this scroll. I have gone back quite a few pages, and I don't understand where this scroll came from. I'm sorry to bring up something that's already been explained, but can someone please give me a quick rundown? Is this just a theory, or was there an actual scroll found somewhere that is confirmed to be connected to Morgan's case?

There was a retreat of some sort hosted by one of the people who lives at Anchorage Farm (reportedly the owner's daughter, though I don't know if that's been confirmed, either), held a week or two after Morgan went missing. One of the activities was a group drawing on a large roll of paper, depicting themes from the retreat, or something like that. Many of them were inspired by or referring to Eastern religion. The attendees took pictures and posted them on the web.

One of the pictures on the scroll is a blonde Western-looking woman, very generic pretty woman but *clears throat* some people think that since Morgan was missing, this has to be Morgan. Et cetera.

There's quite a discussion in one of the earlier threads, and it comes up again every now and then.

The most interesting thing to me is that the attendees at this retreat appear to have walked quite near where Morgan was found and not noticed anything. Which makes me wonder whether she was put there later.

goldiegirl
03-03-2011, 02:35 AM
Great, carbuff, thank you! I won't beat a dead horse by rehashing the issue, but it helps to know what people are talking about. I also agree with your last point about wondering if the body was dumped later.

carbuff
03-03-2011, 10:23 AM
Great, carbuff, thank you! I won't beat a dead horse by rehashing the issue, but it helps to know what people are talking about. I also agree with your last point about wondering if the body was dumped later.

It sounds like LE has lots of information they haven't released about things like that.

Walker
03-04-2011, 01:34 AM
There was a retreat of some sort hosted by one of the people who lives at Anchorage Farm (reportedly the owner's daughter, though I don't know if that's been confirmed, either), held a week or two after Morgan went missing. One of the activities was a group drawing on a large roll of paper, depicting themes from the retreat, or something like that. Many of them were inspired by or referring to Eastern religion. The attendees took pictures and posted them on the web.

One of the pictures on the scroll is a blonde Western-looking woman, very generic pretty woman but *clears throat* some people think that since Morgan was missing, this has to be Morgan. Et cetera.

There's quite a discussion in one of the earlier threads, and it comes up again every now and then.

The most interesting thing to me is that the attendees at this retreat appear to have walked quite near where Morgan was found and not noticed anything. Which makes me wonder whether she was put there later.


I agree that just the mere fact that the image seemed to resemble Morgan could be just a coincidence. But on the discussion forum at Find Morgan (which no longer available), posters pointed out that apparently the tattoos on the image also resemble the pattern on a skirt that Morgan used to wear. A picture showed Morgan wearing the skirt. And, Morgan’s large silver bracelet is unusual.

But even if you entirely discount this image as having any significance at all, just the fact that this group was doing South Asian themed scroll paintings at a point near in both time to Morgan's disappearance and distance to the location where Morgan's body was found seems a bit strange, because Morgan also had a strong interest in South Asian themed scroll paintings.

Could it be that scroll paintings are such a major college craze that almost everyone is creating them at almost every event?

OR could there have been guests attending the 7-Mile Sleepover who somehow knew Morgan personally?

Morgan’s VTech art teacher created scroll paintings, and sent at least one of them to Nepal. She and her team documented their trip to Nepal in a film called “A Gift for the Village.”

http://agiftforthevillage.blogspot.com/

Quote from the blog:

I am here, because of my fortune to have been Morgan Harrington's teacher.

I taught Morgan a course offered through Virginia Tech's Department of Religion and Culture, called The Creative Process.



As it happens, Morgan appears, briefly, three times in the film you are about to see. We did not edit her in. She was simply there, in our story, standing right beside Amchi Tsampa, the subject of our film when he visited our Virginia Tech Creative Process class during my semester with Morgan. And again, there was Morgan, at my home, with her classmates, as Jenna Swann filmed. You will see Morgan there for a moment, on my living room floor. She is the student who is smiling.

Morgan would have traveled with my film team and me this past summer for the world premiere of our film in Nepal. She wanted to go trek to meet the people with the fierce and gentle spiritual technology we studied. She told me that she wanted this experience because she was going to become a teacher.


Spiritual technology? :waitasec:

Walker
03-04-2011, 02:23 AM
The most interesting thing to me is that the attendees at this retreat appear to have walked quite near where Morgan was found and not noticed anything. Which makes me wonder whether she was put there later.

AF photos: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=735702175&aid=157216&s=0&hash=89e8240f3b8560bd6da228d6f6cb9afb

Photo #33 looks very similar to the location shown in the various photos related to Morgan's parents & VSP's visit to AF on 1/25/11 (the one-year anniversary of the finding of Morgan's body). The vegetation is similar, and the distance to the tree line seems similar. The grass was quite high in the JC photos. Maybe someone could walk by and not see anything suspicious.

Also, maybe they had some clue (rumors?) that Morgan had come to harm somewhere in the area; even if they were not consciously searching for her, perhaps Morgan was on their minds.

Link: http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/25/state-police-retrace-steps-morgan-harrington-case-ar-798604/

carbuff
03-04-2011, 11:55 AM
Quote from Walker: "Could it be that scroll paintings are such a major college craze that almost everyone is creating them at almost every event?"

Well, no, they're not THAT popular, but interest in Asian spirituality is very widespread and not just among college students. And the idea of a scroll painting, in a watered down American sense, appears at a lot of new-age type events. (And from what little I know, the AF scroll painting looks a lot more like the latter than the former.)

Morgan seems to have been pretty exotic for the part of the country she's in, but when I walk around Boston past the univesities and art and music schools, I'll run into a dozen girls just like her without even trying. It was kind of spooky while she was missing but none of them were ever her.

I know of two scroll painting classes being held in Boston this term, one a scholarly study through a university and the other taught by a Sri Lankan artist. There are Asian cultural studies organizations everywhere. Meditation and retreat centers. Spiritual tours of Buddhist monasteries in Nepal and the Hindi caves sponsored by mainstream tourist agencies.

carbuff
03-04-2011, 12:09 PM
AF photos: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=735702175&aid=157216&s=0&hash=89e8240f3b8560bd6da228d6f6cb9afb

Photo #33 looks very similar to the location shown in the various photos related to Morgan's parents & VSP's visit to AF on 1/25/11 (the one-year anniversary of the finding of Morgan's body). The vegetation is similar, and the distance to the tree line seems similar. The grass was quite high in the JC photos. Maybe someone could walk by and not see anything suspicious.

Also, maybe they had some clue (rumors?) that Morgan had come to harm somewhere in the area; even if they were not consciously searching for her, perhaps Morgan was on their minds.

Link: http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/25/state-police-retrace-steps-morgan-harrington-case-ar-798604/

Yes, that's the photo I noticed. Also 29 and 31 seem to be very near. But then many of these hills do look similar.

That's only four weeks after Morgan went missing, so I imagine Morgan was still on their minds.

Dejasade
03-04-2011, 12:46 PM
OT from the scroll discussion, but does anyone know whether or not the man who had seen Morgan hitchiking with his daughter had seen any suspicious passing vehicles? The article that I had read, I believe in The Hook, had stated that not many minutes passed from the time he had seen her driving to 7-11, than driving back from 7-11 to head back to his hotel...

i'm hoping LE has much more info. on this case than they are releasing. I'm also wondering why they have not released cause of death...?

carbuff
03-04-2011, 12:54 PM
OT from the scroll discussion, but does anyone know whether or not the man who had seen Morgan hitchiking with his daughter had seen any suspicious passing vehicles? The article that I had read, I believe in The Hook, had stated that not many minutes passed from the time he had seen her driving to 7-11, than driving back from 7-11 to head back to his hotel...

i'm hoping LE has much more info. on this case than they are releasing. I'm also wondering why they have not released cause of death...?

Information like that is part of how they can sift useful information from mistaken information, and rule out false confessions.

Walker
03-04-2011, 10:07 PM
Yes, that's the photo I noticed. Also 29 and 31 seem to be very near. But then many of these hills do look similar.

That's only four weeks after Morgan went missing, so I imagine Morgan was still on their minds.

#34 was uploaded on November 11, 2009; but the photo itself was associated with the 7-Mile Sleepover on October 24, 2009. Therefore, it may have been within one week or possibly even less than one week of Morgan's disappearance.

Walker
03-04-2011, 11:06 PM
Quote from Walker: "Could it be that scroll paintings are such a major college craze that almost everyone is creating them at almost every event?"

Well, no, they're not THAT popular, but interest in Asian spirituality is very widespread and not just among college students. And the idea of a scroll painting, in a watered down American sense, appears at a lot of new-age type events. (And from what little I know, the AF scroll painting looks a lot more like the latter than the former.)

Morgan seems to have been pretty exotic for the part of the country she's in, but when I walk around Boston past the univesities and art and music schools, I'll run into a dozen girls just like her without even trying. It was kind of spooky while she was missing but none of them were ever her.

I know of two scroll painting classes being held in Boston this term, one a scholarly study through a university and the other taught by a Sri Lankan artist. There are Asian cultural studies organizations everywhere. Meditation and retreat centers. Spiritual tours of Buddhist monasteries in Nepal and the Hindi caves sponsored by mainstream tourist agencies.

In NYS/NYC there doesn't seem to be any great interest. Maybe New Age is old?

Due to political unrest, Nepal is dangerous for Americans.

Our State Dept advises caution.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_927.html

We have a thread about Aubrey Sacco who disappeared in Nepal:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104371&page=2

chemcopout
03-05-2011, 12:38 AM
The two theories are just the same. The Manson family is a prototype for a group of mentally unstable individuals who suffered delusions, abused & traded illegal drugs and killed people for no logical reason.

Note: Some people thought that I meant that Manson himself was involved; what I meant was someone like a Manson.

Remember that a random attack by a stranger would not likely include drawing a scroll painting, leaving expensive & highly identifiable jewelry on the scene or planting tee shirts on a busy public street.

the only thing at all that morgan's case may have in common with the manson case is that if there is more than one individual involved, it's likely there was a manipulative ringleader.

people are usually more bold in groups than alone. if you had say for example one individual whose had an obsession with morgan, and he has some tag along follower friends with hormones off the chain, it's a bad scenario.

what walker is saying about a person like manson, sociopathic, superficial glib, fear control, charming if he needs to be, and ringleader makes sense.

i truly believe the ringleader would have had a strong obsession with morgan, obviously they thought out the cover up for her body, otherwise it would have been found right away.

as walker mentions, the t-shirt being planted, as well as lime being used, location, etc.

chemcopout
03-05-2011, 12:50 AM
An innocent college girl gets killed for no reason. In the public mind, who have been the main suspects?

Not in any particular order, partial list follows:


1. Athletes
2. Frat boys
3. childhood bffs who were like sisters
4. LE moonlighting as security guards
5. goth musicians and fans
6. drug dealers
7. rich young men who grew up in NG
8. total stranger acting alone
9. middle-aged guy waiting outside arena for gf


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walker what is NG?
what if it is a rich young man and he is so rich people are covering for him?

now goth musicians and fans? lmao that's very stereotypical and metallica is heavy metal.


i really think that your most logical of the list is#7 rich young man. he could possibly sell drugs too. #6 would just be his side job.
obsessed with morgan. obviously someone had to have had an obsession with her and likely stalked her to know she'd be at the concert that night. even followed every move to look for their oppurtunity to grab her and unfortunately that night he got it.
rich people afford good lawyers and usually their parents don't let them talk to cops. they sick their lawyers on them sadly.

back in the 70s there was a case here where they got away with murder since the parents wouldn't let them talk and they lawyered up.

MsFacetious
03-05-2011, 06:26 AM
The East Coast Rapist has now been caught.... and he regularly visited his Mom... in Clarke County Virginia... which is 2 hours from Charlottesville.

I know he has been discussed in relation to Morgan's case before... and that it is thought that they would have compared the DNA from the 2005 case to the East Coast cases. Was there ever confirmation that occurred?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/04/AR2011030405132.html

Walker
03-05-2011, 08:18 AM
respectfully snipped (i apologize for snipping, just want to save space)

walker what is NG?


NG is North Garden.

carbuff
03-05-2011, 11:18 AM
#34 was uploaded on November 11, 2009; but the photo itself was associated with the 7-Mile Sleepover on October 24, 2009. Therefore, it may have been within one week or possibly even less than one week of Morgan's disappearance.

Oh, good point, I knew that but hadn't really connected the dates.

I dunno. I would think that if the body was lying in the field at that point, they would have smelled it even if they didn't see it.

Which makes me wonder if the body was dumped at the same time the t-shirt was thrown out? Was that before or after the snow started last winter?

It's hard to say whether the t-shirt was deliberately planted -- seems like, but possibly it was just tossed when the killer realized he still had it.

chemcopout
03-06-2011, 08:28 AM
There was a retreat of some sort hosted by one of the people who lives at Anchorage Farm (reportedly the owner's daughter, though I don't know if that's been confirmed, either), held a week or two after Morgan went missing. One of the activities was a group drawing on a large roll of paper, depicting themes from the retreat, or something like that. Many of them were inspired by or referring to Eastern religion. The attendees took pictures and posted them on the web.

One of the pictures on the scroll is a blonde Western-looking woman, very generic pretty woman but *clears throat* some people think that since Morgan was missing, this has to be Morgan. Et cetera.

There's quite a discussion in one of the earlier threads, and it comes up again every now and then.

The most interesting thing to me is that the attendees at this retreat appear to have walked quite near where Morgan was found and not noticed anything. Which makes me wonder whether she was put there later.

morgan had been to events at the farm in the past; it might be possible that someone was making an artistic "tribute" to morgan? or maybe it was just random...
i think that the area where her body was found was a remote part and that only someone very familiar with the area would know that she wouldn't be found for awhile, likely thinking maybe spring.

i believe that the farm was a dump site. i'm not sure where the primary crime scene would be. i believe they had found carpet fibers, i'm not sure if it was from a vehicle or not, if anyone remembers that would be awesome.

morgan's family has been qouted as saying the killer is "sadistic" and a "monster" so we can only imagine the torment or cod that caused morgan's death. =(

this was no accidental type murder, imo. it was cold an calculated by likely someone who had an infatuation with her.

i really don't think this has anything to do with rituals or hindu or asian religions, imo

chemcopout
03-06-2011, 08:31 AM
Oh, good point, I knew that but hadn't really connected the dates.

I dunno. I would think that if the body was lying in the field at that point, they would have smelled it even if they didn't see it.

Which makes me wonder if the body was dumped at the same time the t-shirt was thrown out? Was that before or after the snow started last winter?

It's hard to say whether the t-shirt was deliberately planted -- seems like, but possibly it was just tossed when the killer realized he still had it.

i really think it was planted. the killer obviously didn't have the smarts to burn the t-shirt. instead they ditched it, which in itself is odd since they went through so much trouble to hide morgan's body. even got lime.
that the t-shirt was found in a specific area, i would think the killer was trying to distract attention away from something. otherwise why ditch the shirt when they could have just burned it?

carbuff
03-06-2011, 01:03 PM
morgan had been to events at the farm in the past; it might be possible that someone was making an artistic "tribute" to morgan? or maybe it was just random...
i think that the area where her body was found was a remote part and that only someone very familiar with the area would know that she wouldn't be found for awhile, likely thinking maybe spring.

i believe that the farm was a dump site. i'm not sure where the primary crime scene would be. i believe they had found carpet fibers, i'm not sure if it was from a vehicle or not, if anyone remembers that would be awesome.

morgan's family has been qouted as saying the killer is "sadistic" and a "monster" so we can only imagine the torment or cod that caused morgan's death. =(

this was no accidental type murder, imo. it was cold an calculated by likely someone who had an infatuation with her.

i really don't think this has anything to do with rituals or hindu or asian religions, imo

I hadn't heard that about Morgan having been at events at the farm. Do you have a pointer to that? I know, it's probably in one of the main articles and I'm just spacing it...

The LE spokesperson has been kind of noncommittal when asked about the accuracy of what Morgan's parents are saying.

carbuff
03-06-2011, 01:09 PM
i really think it was planted. the killer obviously didn't have the smarts to burn the t-shirt. instead they ditched it, which in itself is odd since they went through so much trouble to hide morgan's body. even got lime.
that the t-shirt was found in a specific area, i would think the killer was trying to distract attention away from something. otherwise why ditch the shirt when they could have just burned it?

The most likely explanation would be that they didn't have a place to burn it. Either it would attract too much notice or they'd cause fire alarms to go off or something like that.

Where did you get the bit about the lime? I hadn't heard that.

rossva
03-06-2011, 01:29 PM
per Dr. Harrington, on the findmorgan forum, she had never been to AF, nor as far as he knew, had ties to anyone that had.



morgan had been to events at the farm in the past

rossva
03-06-2011, 01:32 PM
source? I have not heard that any where.



even got lime.

Truthful Lies
03-06-2011, 02:59 PM
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Morgan seems to have been pretty exotic for the part of the country she's in, but when I walk around Boston past the univesities and art and music schools, I'll run into a dozen girls just like her without even trying.

----respectfully snipped for length-------

I was surprised when I moved to Charlottesville area...it's totally a granola/exploratory place. I'm from Miami and the cultural offerings/environment here are pretty wide - I am still intrigued by the dynamics in this area. It's not a "college town" persay IMO.

carbuff
03-06-2011, 03:00 PM
per Dr. Harrington, on the findmorgan forum, she had never been to AF, nor as far as he knew, had ties to anyone that had.

That's what I thought.

I remember that while she was still missing, somebody posted some photos of a party on a farm that wasn't further identified -- that's the only thing I could think of that was similar.

Walker
03-06-2011, 05:21 PM
i really think it was planted. the killer obviously didn't have the smarts to burn the t-shirt. instead they ditched it, which in itself is odd since they went through so much trouble to hide morgan's body. even got lime.
that the t-shirt was found in a specific area, i would think the killer was trying to distract attention away from something. otherwise why ditch the shirt when they could have just burned it?

If the perps knew AF so intimately, wouldn't they know that the grasses would get matted down by the snow? They seem to have been an odd combo of very clever and very dumb. Maybe they only frequented the area during mushroom season?

Walker
03-06-2011, 05:44 PM
this was no accidental type murder, imo. it was cold an calculated by likely someone who had an infatuation with her.

i really don't think this has anything to do with rituals or hindu or asian religions, imo

I agree that it was premeditated. JMO: At least one of the perps had some type of infatuation/obsession with Morgan. Jealousy was also a factor. They saw her as being different from themselves. Therefore, JMO the perps were not from wealthy or successful backgrounds.

That particular date (10/17/09) had ritual significance & could have been used to lure Morgan into a trap.

goldiegirl
03-06-2011, 11:28 PM
I agree that it was premeditated. JMO: At least one of the perps had some type of infatuation/obsession with Morgan. Jealousy was also a factor. They saw her as being different from themselves. Therefore, JMO the perps were not from wealthy or successful backgrounds.

That particular date (10/17/09) had ritual significance & could have been used to lure Morgan into a trap.

When people say this (and this is just the most recent example - there have been others), do they mean that they believe the perp/s was/were infatuated with Morgan specifically? As in, they knew her before the attack? Because that I don't find likely. What are the chances that Morgan would be hitchhiking on a bridge at the exact same time that someone who had an existing obsession with her drove by? That would have been a really lucky/coincidental break for her stalker.

chemcopout
03-06-2011, 11:48 PM
The most likely explanation would be that they didn't have a place to burn it. Either it would attract too much notice or they'd cause fire alarms to go off or something like that.

Where did you get the bit about the lime? I hadn't heard that.

morgan i believe had attended a music event at the farm, it's all the way back in the locked threads. from the earlier threads on the case.

as for burning a shirt, all they had to do was drive to an isolated area, there's a lot of them around or mountains even to burn the shirt. it's a shirt, it won't make too much smoke or attract attention in an isolated area imo.

the lime also was mentioned in the early locked threads of the past. possibly on the findmorgan.com forums which are now closed, i am sorry i can't help more with that.

chemcopout
03-06-2011, 11:54 PM
If the perps knew AF so intimately, wouldn't they know that the grasses would get matted down by the snow? They seem to have been an odd combo of very clever and very dumb. Maybe they only frequented the area during mushroom season?

if they also knew it was an area which was frequented by people, they'd know that it would be found right away. otherwise why didn't they bury it underneath the snow?

while jealousy could have been a factor, i don't see how that has anything to do with them seeing morgan as different from themselves. to say that the perps aren't from wealthy or successful backgrounds? what type of logic are you using to come to that equation?
jealousy doesn't discriminate. while the perps could be poor, they also could be wealthy or somewhere in between. we just don't know.

walker, what do you personally think of morgan?

chemcopout
03-06-2011, 11:58 PM
When people say this (and this is just the most recent example - there have been others), do they mean that they believe the perp/s was/were infatuated with Morgan specifically? As in, they knew her before the attack? Because that I don't find likely. What are the chances that Morgan would be hitchhiking on a bridge at the exact same time that someone who had an existing obsession with her drove by? That would have been a really lucky/coincidental break for her stalker.

hi goldie, when i mention it, i really believe that morgan had someone who was obsessed with her prior to her murder.
the obsession likely escalated to the point where the killer was stalking her.
nowadays with everyone updating what they are doing online it makes it easier for a stalker.
imo, i believe the stalker knew her prior to the attack.

if the killer was stalking morgan, he would know she would be at the concert that night. if she had any plans for after the concert, he may likely know or might not know, depending on how severe he stalked her.

if you have a stalker following your every move, the bridge just proved the perfect opportunity for her stalker to grab her unfortunately.

there also could have been elements that we have no idea about that escalated the stalker's behavior. (for example, say he was rejected by other girls around the time of morgan's murder and that angered him more so he focused his obsessive anger at morgan).

Japandaaa
03-07-2011, 12:01 AM
AF photos: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=735702175&aid=157216&s=0&hash=89e8240f3b8560bd6da228d6f6cb9afb

Photo #33 looks very similar to the location shown in the various photos related to Morgan's parents & VSP's visit to AF on 1/25/11 (the one-year anniversary of the finding of Morgan's body). The vegetation is similar, and the distance to the tree line seems similar. The grass was quite high in the JC photos. Maybe someone could walk by and not see anything suspicious.

Also, maybe they had some clue (rumors?) that Morgan had come to harm somewhere in the area; even if they were not consciously searching for her, perhaps Morgan was on their minds.

Link: http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/25/state-police-retrace-steps-morgan-harrington-case-ar-798604/

I also noticed the similarity of the location in the pictures to the news video.

Thanks for pointing this out !

chemcopout
03-07-2011, 12:14 AM
imho i am not sure what role that suspect sketch guy and his dna played.
dan harrington has been qouted as saying that familial dna can catch morgan's killers.

"Dan Harrington believes landmark DNA technology could help investigators connect the dots in the search for his daughter’s murderer...

Police have linked DNA from her body to an unsolved sexual assault that happened in Fairfax five years ago. But so far, investigators have been unable to match the sample to a name.

That’s where familial DNA could help."

http://nbc29.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/harrington-familial-dna-could-catch-morgans-killer/


also morgan's swarovski necklace is still missing and hasn't turned up. imo, i think the killer took it as a "trophy".

going back to the suspect in fairfax, one usually doesn't escalate to rape to murder overnight. where are his other victims? where is he?

chemcopout
03-07-2011, 12:30 AM
What gets me the most..... is how so many people knew that Morgan was not her self or acting normal. How tragic.... I do not know if i agree with the killer most likely did not drive by the houses. This is a person who with his first victim took her in a ver populated area "by a grocery store" and took her to a playground close to an apartment building????? If he was willing to do that IMO why not drive down a farm driveway at night?????JMO

this is a great point, the fairfax suspect took a women boldly in a populated area. morgan's crime is the opposite. we have no witnesses that seen morgan being taken. it's almost as if the fairfax suspect had help or wasn't there.
he seems to be a bold type of rapist. also why hasn't he been found yet? has he left the country? he seems to have followed that victim on foot then.
morgan's body was found 10 miles away, someone had to have a car.


special agent cappuzzo says:

"We're extremely confident he's still in this community," says Cappuzzo, citing multiple behavioral specialists who specialize in geographic profiling. All, he said, agreed "this person has been here before."

special agent thinks the killer(s) are still in the area.

even though morgan's behavior that night has been described as "bizarre" she still got into a vehicle that evening. police think she did so willingly. that would elude to that morgan knew her killer. however vaguely, i don't know, yet none the less knew her killer(s). how she would know this guy from fairfax is beyond me. that's why i think others were involved.

http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case

"Either way, Cappuzzo says, police are convinced that Morgan got into a vehicle somewhere on or near the bridge, and very likely did so willingly."

the harringtons have described morgan's killer as being sadistic, a monster, violent. the article below states she was brutally murdered. this was no accident. these killers are sick monsters who will kill again if they aren't caught. imo, i have faith le will catch them with the familial dna.

http://www.readthehook.com/68346/shattered-bones-harringtons-say-morgans-killer-violent-sadistic

"Her parents desperately wish it weren't so, but they say they're convinced: Morgan Harrington suffered before she was killed."

""A monster walks among you," Gil Harrington says, calling her daughter's killer a "violent, sadistic and dangerous man."

goldiegirl
03-07-2011, 02:46 AM
even though morgan's behavior that night has been described as "bizarre" she still got into a vehicle that evening. police think she did so willingly. that would elude to that morgan knew her killer. however vaguely, i don't know, yet none the less knew her killer(s). how she would know this guy from fairfax is beyond me. that's why i think others were involved.

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But, Morgan didn't know the basketball players or the man she kicked, and she asked them for rides. I don't think the fact that she got in the car meant she knew the people. The dad who saw her on the bridge said she had her thumb up and was hitchhiking, which implies that she was just looking for a ride. She wouldn't have any reason to believe someone she knew would come along. Her behavior ever since getting stuck outside at the concert indicated that she was looking for rides from strangers.

Walker
03-07-2011, 03:17 AM
if they also knew it was an area which was frequented by people, they'd know that it would be found right away. otherwise why didn't they bury it underneath the snow?

Not sure. Maybe they were afraid. Suspect the main killer left the US. The accomplices maybe didn't realize the error.


while jealousy could have been a factor, i don't see how that has anything to do with them seeing morgan as different from themselves. to say that the perps aren't from wealthy or successful backgrounds? what type of logic are you using to come to that equation?

They may have been jealous of the Harrington family's success. People are jealous of what they lack.


jealousy doesn't discriminate.

But there are different types of jealousy.


while the perps could be poor, they also could be wealthy or somewhere in between. we just don't know.

Did the perps hate her for being (in their eyes) a rich girl? Is that why they were so heartless?


walker, what do you personally think of morgan?

A lot depends on whether my theories turn out to be true or perhaps even partly true, but JMO this case points to a lot of serious social problems that we have today. Further discussion of the implications of this case would go off-topic, but the whole concept of college (for example) needs to be rethought.

Morgan was basically a girl-next-door type.

Walker
03-07-2011, 03:24 AM
morgan i believe had attended a music event at the farm, it's all the way back in the locked threads. from the earlier threads on the case.


As far as the public has been told, there is no link between Morgan and AF.
She is not known to have attended any AF event.


the lime also was mentioned in the early locked threads of the past. possibly on the findmorgan.com forums which are now closed, i am sorry i can't help more with that.

Lime would have destroyed her jewelry. Her mother now wears the silver bracelet. The gold ring was withheld by the police.

carbuff
03-07-2011, 09:21 AM
morgan i believe had attended a music event at the farm, it's all the way back in the locked threads. from the earlier threads on the case.

as for burning a shirt, all they had to do was drive to an isolated area, there's a lot of them around or mountains e:seeya:ven to burn the shirt. it's a shirt, it won't make too much smoke or attract attention in an isolated area imo.

the lime also was mentioned in the early locked threads of the past. possibly on the findmorgan.com forums which are now closed, i am sorry i can't help more with that.

So the music event at the farm, and the lime, are both unsubstantiated rumors.

Have you ever tried to burn a cotton t-shirt? Cotton has a very high burning point. That's why they use it for potholders and such. I once had to burn the clothes I used to bury a dead animal. In a large firepit, with a gallon of gasoline poured on, there were still portions of the t-shirt remaining after an hour. And the stink was pretty amazing.

carbuff
03-07-2011, 09:43 AM
Just because the rape was committed in Fairfax doesn't mean the guy is FROM Fairfax. He's just as likely to be a Charlottesville guy who was in Fairfax for some reason. There are at least three universities in Fairfax -- VIA, George Mason, and Fairfax U -- so attending a concert there is a possibility. The Patriot Center is only a couple of miles from where the rape took place. Has anybody seen an exact date for when the Fairfax rape took place? Everything I can find this morning says, "October 2005" but nothing more specific. The date on the sketch is 26-October, but it could have been done a few days later.

quiqui
03-07-2011, 12:22 PM
Just because the rape was committed in Fairfax doesn't mean the guy is FROM Fairfax. He's just as likely to be a Charlottesville guy who was in Fairfax for some reason. There are at least three universities in Fairfax -- VIA, George Mason, and Fairfax U -- so attending a concert there is a possibility. The Patriot Center is only a couple of miles from where the rape took place. Has anybody seen an exact date for when the Fairfax rape took place? Everything I can find this morning says, "October 2005" but nothing more specific. The date on the sketch is 26-October, but it could have been done a few days later.

I found this article that says the Fairfax rape happened in September 2005:
http://hamptonroads.com/node/560641

"According to a Sept. 27, 2005 article in the Washington Post, the Fairfax case involved a 26-year-old woman who was sexually assaulted as she walked home from a nearby grocery store."

carbuff
03-07-2011, 02:12 PM
I found this article that says the Fairfax rape happened in September 2005:
http://hamptonroads.com/node/560641

"According to a Sept. 27, 2005 article in the Washington Post, the Fairfax case involved a 26-year-old woman who was sexually assaulted as she walked home from a nearby grocery store."

Thank you. I was misreading the date on the photo -- damned bad eyesight and too-small type...

quiqui
03-07-2011, 02:33 PM
Thank you. I was misreading the date on the photo -- damned bad eyesight and too-small type...

Your welcome! It's funny though because I found articles that said October 2005 too. I also vaguely remember someone looked up if there was a concert at the Patriot Center around the time of that 2005 attack.

Here is a link to the Patriot Center's Sept 2005 schedule.
http://www.patriotcenter.com/events/index.php?month=9&year=2005

Googoosh is ringing a bell for some reason. Off to search some older threads...

[edit]
Here we go - http://potomaclocal.com/news/fairfax/fairfax-case-linked-to-harrington-case-police-say/
September 24, 2005 at 10pm

carbuff
03-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Your welcome! It's funny though because I found articles that said October 2005 too. I also vaguely remember someone looked up if there was a concert at the Patriot Center around the time of that 2005 attack.

Here is a link to the Patriot Center's Sept 2005 schedule.
http://www.patriotcenter.com/events/index.php?month=9&year=2005

Googoosh is ringing a bell for some reason. Off to search some older threads...

[edit]
Here we go - http://potomaclocal.com/news/fairfax/fairfax-case-linked-to-harrington-case-police-say/
September 24, 2005 at 10pm

Thanks, I'm glad you found that.

It looks like maybe nothing was released about the rape until they were able to come up with the composite, so the articles are from October but the attack happened a month earlier?

I notice also that while the sketch appears to depict an African or possibly Middle Eastern man, the description says nothing about possible race or ethnicity. I'm going to play with that for a bit and see if I can doctor the sketch to look a little more neutral...

quiqui
03-07-2011, 06:55 PM
Thanks, I'm glad you found that.

It looks like maybe nothing was released about the rape until they were able to come up with the composite, so the articles are from October but the attack happened a month earlier?

I notice also that while the sketch appears to depict an African or possibly Middle Eastern man, the description says nothing about possible race or ethnicity. I'm going to play with that for a bit and see if I can doctor the sketch to look a little more neutral...

I think you're right. Since it happened at the end of September the info was still being released into October.

I'm not sure what to make of the ethnicity/race. I went looking for a copy of the wanted poster to take another look (found one here - http://www.roanoke.com/pdfs/Wanted2005FairfaxCityPoster.pdf) and it lists him as black. I think this is the first time I've seen it specified one way or the other, but my memory is a little fuzzy on that.

Any luck with altering the sketch? :)

chemcopout
03-07-2011, 11:27 PM
Not sure. Maybe they were afraid. Suspect the main killer left the US. The accomplices maybe didn't realize the error.

They may have been jealous of the Harrington family's success. People are jealous of what they lack.

But there are different types of jealousy.

Did the perps hate her for being (in their eyes) a rich girl? Is that why they were so heartless?

A lot depends on whether my theories turn out to be true or perhaps even partly true, but JMO this case points to a lot of serious social problems that we have today. Further discussion of the implications of this case would go off-topic, but the whole concept of college (for example) needs to be rethought.

Morgan was basically a girl-next-door type.

for the killer to leave the usa, he would need the money to do so. what nationality do you think the killer is?

i would say he's a white male, upper middle class or higher. he's likely know morgan a long while and developed an obsession with her. this obsession went beyond sexual as well. he stalked her repeatedly in the past.

morgan was the girl next door type, she may have come from a family with money, however she had a really big heart and it showed. she reminded me of a lil neo hippie. she was not stuck up. she didn't seem to flaunt her money or "wealth" like other girls do.

if a guy had a crush on her, she turned him down, then maybe that guy didn't take it that well. it's possible he is so narcisistic that he interpreted something morgan said or even looked at him the wrong way and has held a grudge since.

morgan's murder might not have to do with money unless you want to talk about hiring hotshot lawyer or getting a public defender when it comes down to it.

from how the harringtons describe morgan's murder, it was horrific, graphic, done by a monster. we can only imagine that she suffered. it was done by someone very sadistic, a monster.

while we don't know the cod, we can only imagine that morgan suffered and the cod is very very horrifying a way to be murdered.

that kind of rage doesn't just come from nowhere. it's likely the killer had it building up for awhile. likely he projected it towards morgan and his obsession with her. he may think he is the king of the earth and can get away with murder.

similiar to your reference to a type like manson, walker.

a personality type similiar to manson or worse...

ps- walker you've been posting since the start of morgan's thread, do you remember the pictures of morgan hula-hooping at a music event? that was at the farm or no? do you remember where it was?

chemcopout
03-07-2011, 11:28 PM
Thanks, I'm glad you found that.

It looks like maybe nothing was released about the rape until they were able to come up with the composite, so the articles are from October but the attack happened a month earlier?

I notice also that while the sketch appears to depict an African or possibly Middle Eastern man, the description says nothing about possible race or ethnicity. I'm going to play with that for a bit and see if I can doctor the sketch to look a little more neutral...

if the suspect is of middle eastern descent, his victim was as well. how likely would he be to pick or have a tendency to pick victims from the same ethnic or similiar background/race? does anyone know the statistics with this on rapists?

chemcopout
03-07-2011, 11:35 PM
So the music event at the farm, and the lime, are both unsubstantiated rumors.

Have you ever tried to burn a cotton t-shirt? Cotton has a very high burning point. That's why they use it for potholders and such. I once had to burn the clothes I used to bury a dead animal. In a large firepit, with a gallon of gasoline poured on, there were still portions of the t-shirt remaining after an hour. And the stink was pretty amazing.

wow did you googled this? ;) i didn't realize cotton was so hard to burn. i am scared to ask what you were burying.. :eek:
do we know for a fact that morgan's shirt was 100% cotton or maybe partially cotton? there are accelerants that can be used to burn a cotton t-shirt. if burning doesn't work, you can always throw it into the ocean, bury it somewhere high in the mountains, or dump it into a reststop garbage off any highway.

the fact that the killer(s) decided to plant it instead of rid of the shirt says that they think they are bold and are willing to play games with the law.
it takes a cocky individual to do something like that.

most people would try to get rid of all evidence to cover their hides. this guy doesn't, he tosses the shirt in a specific area where he knows it will be found. did they get the guy in the suspect's sketch's dna off the shirt does anyone know?

Japandaaa
03-08-2011, 01:01 AM
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-could-new-dna-testing-method-solve-morgan-harringtons-murder-20110307,0,2447280.story

Walker
03-08-2011, 01:41 AM
for the killer to leave the usa, he would need the money to do so. what nationality do you think the killer is?

My guess: One of the perps may have been Nepali/West Bengali/ other South Asian. But the rest of the group were "New Age" Americans.

When LE describes someone as "black," they are only referring to skin tone, not ethnicity.


i would say he's a white male, upper middle class or higher. he's likely know morgan a long while and developed an obsession with her. this obsession went beyond sexual as well. he stalked her repeatedly in the past.

Certainly it's possible, but a wealthy man would have everything to lose by committing a murder, and also he would have less cause to resent Morgan were her family less wealthy or influential than his own.

Those scrolls (for example) don't look like they were done by wealthy young men; they suggest cheap tattoo art.

Plus, wouldn't Morgan have told friends/family if some guy were stalking her?

Maybe at VTech Morgan met some girl with academic abilities but from an impoverished and mentally disturbed family background. And, maybe Morgan thought this girl was eccentric, but she was naive about how profound the girl's problems actually were, and how insanely jealous she could be. And, somehow through this girl, she became acquainted with a group which included Sketch; Sketch may have been the girl's boyfriend.


ps- walker you've been posting since the start of morgan's thread, do you remember the pictures of morgan hula-hooping at a music event? that was at the farm or no? do you remember where it was?

Bonnaroo 2009(?) http://www.musicnewsnet.com/2009/02/bonnaroo-2009-line-up-announced-.html


The 8th annual four- day camping and music festival event will be June 11 thru 14 on the same beautiful 700-acre farm in Manchester, TN (60 miles south of Nashville). Each year Bonnaroo works to make history by offering unique and exclusive performances by some of rock's greatest legends and its most significant newcomers. And this year seems to be no different, with a wide range of acts from Bruce/Phish/Nine Inch Nails to Rober Earl Keane / King Sunny Ade / The Ting Tings!

Walker
03-08-2011, 02:06 AM
wow did you googled this? ;) i didn't realize cotton was so hard to burn. i am scared to ask what you were burying.. :eek:
do we know for a fact that morgan's shirt was 100% cotton or maybe partially cotton? there are accelerants that can be used to burn a cotton t-shirt. if burning doesn't work, you can always throw it into the ocean, bury it somewhere high in the mountains, or dump it into a reststop garbage off any highway.

the fact that the killer(s) decided to plant it instead of rid of the shirt says that they think they are bold and are willing to play games with the law.
it takes a cocky individual to do something like that.

most people would try to get rid of all evidence to cover their hides. this guy doesn't, he tosses the shirt in a specific area where he knows it will be found. did they get the guy in the suspect's sketch's dna off the shirt does anyone know?

As far as the public has been informed, the DNA was found only at the site where Morgan's body was found.

Maybe Sketch fled to his home country soon after the murder. His American gf planted the tee shirt to throw searchers off. She had no clue that Sketch had violently attacked another woman in 2005; therefore, she assumed that even if DNA were found on the shirt that it could not lead anywhere. She has no criminal record, but if her own DNA were identified, then she could just explain that she knew Morgan, saw her at college or maybe visited her apartment or Morgan gave her a ride some place.

Walker
03-08-2011, 02:31 AM
if the suspect is of middle eastern descent, his victim was as well. how likely would he be to pick or have a tendency to pick victims from the same ethnic or similiar background/race? does anyone know the statistics with this on rapists?

The 2005 victim was from a South Asian country (India, Pakistan, Nepal, Tibet, Sri Lanka ... ).

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/07/06/is-this-morgans-killer-fairfax-case-connection-offers-hope-fresh-fear/


Jenkins says her son returned with a man and a woman who comforted the victim, and the three communicated in what she believes was Urdu--- a language primarily spoken by Muslims in India and Pakistan. The young woman "felt more comfortable speaking in her language," says Jenkins, who says she never saw the young woman again but heard she had moved in with family somewhere nearby.

iluvmua
03-08-2011, 08:30 AM
*RIP Beautiful Girl*

cluciano63
03-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Has LE ever released the ethnic make-up from the DNA? Or are guesses being made based on the drawing of suspect? Just wondering, as it is possible that LE sent the sample for this type of testing.

The fact that Morgan's DNA matched a prior rape case seems to indicate that Morgan was a random victim, to me.

LadyBug99
03-08-2011, 10:33 AM
I also believe that this was a crime of opportunity. I think the cards were stacked against Morgan that night. I highly doubt that she had a stalker following her around. If Morgan had a stalker why would they choose a huge public event to make their move? Why not grab her from her apartment, campus etc? Morgan had plans to go to a concert with three friends. No one could have guessed that she would have become separated from them that evening. Seems to be too much of a risk. IMO. It also seems like a huge stretch that he would follow her to C-ville just hoping to that she made some poor choices that would have left her so vulnerable. I don't believe that Morgan fell victim to anyone that was involved in the scroll drawing. I also doubt that she was targeted for being a free spirit who showed interest in the free Tibet movement. JMO

In my opinion, this was a rape and brutal attack by a man who has attacked before. In the 2005 case, sketch was scared off. We don't know what his intentions were for the first victim.

carbuff
03-08-2011, 12:52 PM
wow did you googled this? ;) i didn't realize cotton was so hard to burn. i am scared to ask what you were burying.. :eek:
do we know for a fact that morgan's shirt was 100% cotton or maybe partially cotton? there are accelerants that can be used to burn a cotton t-shirt. if burning doesn't work, you can always throw it into the ocean, bury it somewhere high in the mountains, or dump it into a reststop garbage off any highway.

the fact that the killer(s) decided to plant it instead of rid of the shirt says that they think they are bold and are willing to play games with the law.
it takes a cocky individual to do something like that.

most people would try to get rid of all evidence to cover their hides. this guy doesn't, he tosses the shirt in a specific area where he knows it will be found. did they get the guy in the suspect's sketch's dna off the shirt does anyone know?

No, I didn't google it, was just speaking from personal experience is all, and it could well have been something besides the cotton. And I was just helping a friend bury his dog who had wandered off and died where we didn't find him for a couple of days. That was NOT a pleasant task.

The thing about the mountains, rest stop, whatever, is that if he wasn't normally a person who went out driving in rural areas, a trip like that would really attract notice. Those are the kinds of places I would choose -- but I grew up in a rural area. If he's a city guy, those places are going to be really intimidating. The central area of campus is more likely to seem safe. It's dark, there are lots of people around -- that's a kind of anonymity, when you're just one in a crowd that nobody's paying attention to -- and if you leave it there, nobody can trace it back to you, because hundreds of people pass there every day and anybody could have left it.

If Morgan's body wasn't left at AF until later, he might have dumped the t-shirt just to try to lead LE in a different direction, away from where he left the body -- which would mean that wherever they were looking right before that must have been very close to where she was.

He might have kept the t-shirt as a trophy then decided it was too dangerous to keep.

If it's a plant, who do you think he's trying to point suspicion to? It's not like there's a suspect to incriminate.

carbuff
03-08-2011, 01:08 PM
Has LE ever released the ethnic make-up from the DNA? Or are guesses being made based on the drawing of suspect? Just wondering, as it is possible that LE sent the sample for this type of testing.

The fact that Morgan's DNA matched a prior rape case seems to indicate that Morgan was a random victim, to me.

The earliest versions of the rape perpetrator's wanted poster indicate they thought he was "black" but the recent versions don't include that information. LE has not released any information about the DNA except that it was a match; in fact, it's only the last few weeks that they even admitted it was DNA and not other forensic evidence.

There are certain kinds of serial killers and serial rapists who target a particular kind of victim, but there are also opportunistic rapists who don't care about age, color, body type etc. as long as they've got a victim in a suitable spot.

I agree, everything about the case makes me think opportunistic perp.

goldiegirl
03-08-2011, 01:48 PM
I also believe that this was a crime of opportunity. I think the cards were stacked against Morgan that night. I highly doubt that she had a stalker following her around. If Morgan had a stalker why would they choose a huge public event to make their move? Why not grab her from her apartment, campus etc? Morgan had plans to go to a concert with three friends. No one could have guessed that she would have become separated from them that evening. Seems to be too much of a risk.

In my opinion, this was a rape and brutal attack by a man who has attacked before. In the 2005 case, sketch was scared off. We don't know what his intentions were for the first victim.



Absolutely agree. IMO the connections are either just coincidence OR maybe they show that a random perp did have a certain type of target victim, but I definitly do not believe he knew Morgan beforehand. As others have mentioned, the fact that he'd done this before pretty much spells random. I think it's hard to wrap our heads around the fact that within 10 short minutes of a girl going hitchhiking a rapist/serial killer happens to be in the area and drives by and takes her, but unfortunately it's happening more and more often.

I can understand some of the profiling going on, but I really just think it might indicate a certain type of victim that he liked to target IF ANYTHING. Honestly, I think it's more than likely just a coincidence. Yes, historically some serial killers have had a profile of women they target who looked like ex girlfriends or whatnot. However, due to the circumstances of this crime, I have a hard time believing he would have passed up ANY girl who was standing on the bridge that night. Even if she seemed to have some interest in certain cultures and his previous victim seems to be from one of those cultures, I don't think he could have figured this out about Morgan simply from driving by. She doesn't look like the past victim at all. I really don't think her jewelry or clothing had anything to do with it. Of course, I could be WAY off, but I really do think it was just that a rapist/murderer happened to drive by. Then, of course, that begs the question - hasn't he come across other opportunities in the last 5 years since his first known victim? Where are all the others?

carbuff
03-08-2011, 02:01 PM
One connection between the two crimes that might be significant, though: they both took place very near grocery stores. He might have followed the first woman home from Giant, and Morgan was near the convenience store on the corner. He might well have found that lurking around grocery stores, in urban areas where people walk a lot, was a good place to find victims who have their mind on other things and are easy to ambush.

I don't for a minute believe these are his only two victims; I think other cases just haven't been connected yet. They might be among the thousands of rape kits lying around police departments and forensics labs waiting to be processed, or maybe no DNA available.

LadyBug99
03-08-2011, 02:19 PM
The earliest versions of the rape perpetrator's wanted poster indicate they thought he was "black" but the recent versions don't include that information. LE has not released any information about the DNA except that it was a match; in fact, it's only the last few weeks that they even admitted it was DNA and not other forensic evidence.

There are certain kinds of serial killers and serial rapists who target a particular kind of victim, but there are also opportunistic rapists who don't care about age, color, body type etc. as long as they've got a victim in a suitable spot.

I agree, everything about the case makes me think opportunistic perp.

I believe that the woman that was attacked identified sketch as African American. Maybe LE left out that info because no further testing has been done to verify that? Or perhaps that is just one more thing that LE isn't releasing for whatever reason. I do not believe that she was misrepresenting his ethnicity though. If she feared to tell the true ethnicity (as Walker suggested), Why report this rape and beating at all?

I also wonder if the grocery store aspect is a link but it could be just another coincidence. I think the major link that needs to be identified, is the link to AF.

Carbuff - What are your thoughts on the location?

carbuff
03-08-2011, 03:44 PM
I believe that the woman that was attacked identified sketch as African American. Maybe LE left out that info because no further testing has been done to verify that? Or perhaps that is just one more thing that LE isn't releasing for whatever reason. I do not believe that she was misrepresenting his ethnicity though. If she feared to tell the true ethnicity (as Walker suggested), Why report this rape and beating at all?

I also wonder if the grocery store aspect is a link but it could be just another coincidence. I think the major link that needs to be identified, is the link to AF.

Carbuff - What are your thoughts on the location?

They haven't explicitly said, but I get the impression that the sketch may have come from the witness, not the victim, and that the LE working on Morgan's case have doubts about the accuracy. They haven't said anything specific, but the part about race isn't on the picture and description they're using.


As for the location -- I don't know. If the person who dumped her came in through Blandemar Farms or over the creek, it might have nothing whatsoever to do with Anchorage Farm -- it might be a place where the perp has gone fishing or hunting or drinking.

LadyBug99
03-08-2011, 04:17 PM
They haven't explicitly said, but I get the impression that the sketch may have come from the witness, not the victim, and that the LE working on Morgan's case have doubts about the accuracy. They haven't said anything specific, but the part about race isn't on the picture and description they're using.


As for the location -- I don't know. If the person who dumped her came in through Blandemar Farms or over the creek, it might have nothing whatsoever to do with Anchorage Farm -- it might be a place where the perp has gone fishing or hunting or drinking.

Thanks! I agree that the link doesn't need to be with AF directly but I truly believe that whoever brought Morgan to this location knows the area. This was not a random location IMO. Maybe sketch had help with disposing of her. I do believe he was the one to attack her, given the brutality of his previous crime.

carbuff
03-08-2011, 04:17 PM
Thanks! I agree that the link doesn't need to be with AF per say but I truly believe that whoever brought Morgan to this location knows the area. This was not a random location IMO.

No, I doubt very much that it's a random location.

goldiegirl
03-08-2011, 07:09 PM
I should be more clear. I wasn't for a second suggesting that the connection to the rapist in the other case ("Sketch") was a coincidence. I do believe it's the same guy. So yes, the grocery store part fits into that. I was talking about profiling who he is based on Morgan's cultural interests and such.

Walker
03-08-2011, 09:01 PM
I believe that the woman that was attacked identified sketch as African American. Maybe LE left out that info because no further testing has been done to verify that? Or perhaps that is just one more thing that LE isn't releasing for whatever reason. I do not believe that she was misrepresenting his ethnicity though. If she feared to tell the true ethnicity (as Walker suggested), Why report this rape and beating at all?

The neighbors would have reported the crime, if she didn't.

Walker
03-08-2011, 09:05 PM
They haven't said anything specific, but the part about race isn't on the picture and description they're using.


Do you have a link? Didn't they describe him as "black" -- meaning just skin tone, and not race/ethnicity?


This link is from the VSP site, and uses the term "black."
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/wanted/Wanted%202005%20Fairfax%20City%20Poster.pdf

Walker
03-08-2011, 10:14 PM
[quote][Morgan] doesn't look like the past victim at all.

How do you know what the 2005 victim looked like?

Walker
03-08-2011, 10:22 PM
I should be more clear. I wasn't for a second suggesting that the connection to the rapist in the other case ("Sketch") was a coincidence. I do believe it's the same guy. So yes, the grocery store part fits into that. I was talking about profiling who he is based on Morgan's cultural interests and such.

Just to clarify, my theory is not that Morgan was profiled for having certain cultural interests; just that those shared interests led to her becoming acquainted with a group of particular individuals at VTech who happened to be dangerous. The individuals were the problem, not the interests.

goldiegirl
03-08-2011, 11:14 PM
[quote=goldiegirl;6196734]

How do you know what the 2005 victim looked like?

Oops, I thought it was established that she was of a different race. That's what I was basing that off of. I should have done more research.

goldiegirl
03-08-2011, 11:18 PM
Just to clarify, my theory is not that Morgan was profiled for having certain cultural interests; just that those shared interests led to her becoming acquainted with a group of particular individuals at VTech who happened to be dangerous. The individuals were the problem, not the interests.

I just meant that I don't think her killing had anything to do with her interests. I enjoy reading everyone's theories, and mine is just mine, of course. I just don't think the killer was anyone who had ever met Morgan before. And I wasn't talking about profiling Morgan, I was referring to profiling who the killer might be based on Morgan's interests, etc. It's just a guess, but I believe it was random.

Walker
03-09-2011, 02:16 AM
[quote=Walker;6198084]

Oops, I thought it was established that she was of a different race. That's what I was basing that off of. I should have done more research.

According to the Hook, she was likely South Asian (since the article mentioned that she spoke a language like Urdu), but wouldn't be impossible for her to resemble Morgan in some ways (height, weight, long hair?).

But, in any case, I agree that the perp would not likely have targeted her for having a particular appearance. What I wonder is if he somehow knew her personally. An ex-gf? Or did he target her as a member of some particular group?

LadyBug99
03-09-2011, 11:00 AM
Just to clarify, my theory is not that Morgan was profiled for having certain cultural interests; just that those shared interests led to her becoming acquainted with a group of particular individuals at VTech who happened to be dangerous. The individuals were the problem, not the interests.

And you believe that her friends with shared cultural interests followed Morgan to C-ville with the intentions to 1) Kidnap her or 2) lure Morgan into running away with them?

Why at the arena? Why not do this at VT? To me it seems a little out of the way. They could not have known that Morgan would become separated from her friends that evening.

LadyBug99
03-09-2011, 11:05 AM
The neighbors would have reported the crime, if she didn't.

They could have reported it, however she obviously was a willing participant if LE was able to obtain Sketch's DNA from her.

carbuff
03-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Do you have a link? Didn't they describe him as "black" -- meaning just skin tone, and not race/ethnicity?


This link is from the VSP site, and uses the term "black."
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/wanted/Wanted%202005%20Fairfax%20City%20Poster.pdf

Okay, I don't know what this means, but the articles I saved have been "corrected" in the online version to use the phrase "African American."

They have to be looking at the East Coast rapist for this. They just have to. According to the articles just released, they don't have a direct DNA match for him until just now -- the other "hits" are on "familial" DNA. New Haven Register article with DNA info and copy of the arrest warrant (which includes upsetting detail so read with caution) (http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2011/03/08/news/doc4d7514f1cd12b693113024.txt?viewmode=fullstory)

Walker
03-09-2011, 01:32 PM
Okay, I don't know what this means, but the articles I saved have been "corrected" in the online version to use the phrase "African American."



Wasn't the other way around? African-American corrected to "black"? Do you have a link?

carbuff
03-09-2011, 03:11 PM
Wasn't the other way around? African-American corrected to "black"? Do you have a link?

I was looking at the Hook article from the anniversary tour. http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case. That's also where it has the statement about possible doubt about the sketch being accurate.

"The victim in that case survived after her assailant was likely startled by a passerby; the composite sketch produced from her description of an average sized African American male, aged 25-35, is the only publicly known information about the suspected perpetrator, whose DNA now exists in the State's DNA databank, though his identity remains unknown.

"Because eye-witness accounts--- particularly from traumatized witnesses--- are notoriously unreliable, police have been cautious in confirming the suspect's race."

The description does fit the man arrested as the East Coast rapist.

cluciano63
03-09-2011, 05:01 PM
LE would already know if the DNA from these cases matched the DNA of East Coast rapist, wouldn't they? Surely they have checked before now?

Serial offenders often choose a type of location to "operate" from, i.e. a grocery store is not out of the question. And they usually scout the location of their dump sites in advance (at least, organized ones do.) So poor Morgan could well have just fallen into this guy's line of sight, and if not her, it would have been some other victim that night. The moon was right for him, or whatever lunacy they use to determine when to strike.

I'll bet he has a record, but just not one that allowed LE to take his DNA. I fear he will need to make a mistake in order to be captured, which probably means another attack, with either a witness or a victim who escapes.

carbuff
03-09-2011, 11:31 PM
LE would already know if the DNA from these cases matched the DNA of East Coast rapist, wouldn't they? Surely they have checked before now?

Serial offenders often choose a type of location to "operate" from, i.e. a grocery store is not out of the question. And they usually scout the location of their dump sites in advance (at least, organized ones do.) So poor Morgan could well have just fallen into this guy's line of sight, and if not her, it would have been some other victim that night. The moon was right for him, or whatever lunacy they use to determine when to strike.

I'll bet he has a record, but just not one that allowed LE to take his DNA. I fear he will need to make a mistake in order to be captured, which probably means another attack, with either a witness or a victim who escapes.

That article seems to say that they only just got the east coast rapist's DNA at the end of February, so it might not have been submitted to the national database yet. And they might not have released the information even if they have it. I dunno. It seems like everything like this takes way longer than we think it should.

cluciano63
03-09-2011, 11:59 PM
Even if they didn't have his DNA, you would think they would have known if what they found on Morgan matched other unsolved cases, i.e. a "cold" hit, I think they call it, when they know it matches other victims but don't have the suspect yet.

carbuff
03-10-2011, 12:19 AM
Even if they didn't have his DNA, you would think they would have known if what they found on Morgan matched other unsolved cases, i.e. a "cold" hit, I think they call it, when they know it matches other victims but don't have the suspect yet.

Yes, the match with the 2005 rape was a "cold hit," so you're probably right. And as far as I know, they don't suspect him of anything other than rapes, which are bad enough but they're not murder, either.

zinc
03-10-2011, 02:12 AM
They have to be looking at the East Coast rapist for this. They just have to.

Agreed, many other people had the same thought. Shortly after the East Coast Rapist was captured, the Virginia State Police stated that his DNA profile does not match the DNA profile of the Morgan Harrington suspect.

http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=14204325

carbuff
03-15-2011, 09:24 PM
Okay, this is interesting. I found this blonde young woman -- a bit older than Morgan -- who disappeared on her way to a Motley Crue concert in Washington DC in 2005: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2280/24/. Her car was found in Glen Burnie.

It's probably nothing but odd coincidence, but I thought it was interesting given Morgan's connection to the 2005 Fairfax case.

eta: her husband has been convicted of her murder even though the body was never found: http://www.lbth.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503387S

chemcopout
03-20-2011, 07:17 PM
Okay, this is interesting. I found this blonde young woman -- a bit older than Morgan -- who disappeared on her way to a Motley Crue concert in Washington DC in 2005: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2280/24/. Her car was found in Glen Burnie.

It's probably nothing but odd coincidence, but I thought it was interesting given Morgan's connection to the 2005 Fairfax case.

eta: her husband has been convicted of her murder even though the body was never found: http://www.lbth.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503387S

carbuff, the second link says that she was reported missing in eugene, oregon between april and june 1981. she may be a good case to research in the doenetwork,org.

i believe the link has misdirected me to something different than you mention, as i didn't see anything about a car and the woman at time of disappearance was age 31

Walker
03-23-2011, 12:32 AM
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/mar/21/7/mcdonnell-says-state-can-now-perform-familial-dna--ar-917124/



Use of the technique is being sought in the high-profile slaying Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington.

"This new technology will allow forensic experts to develop leads otherwise unavailable to law enforcement officers that can expedite the identification of criminals in certain cases and can get these offenders off the streets before any further loss of life or injuries to citizens occur," [Governor Bob] McDonnell said in announcing the change.

carbuff
03-23-2011, 11:21 AM
carbuff, the second link says that she was reported missing in eugene, oregon between april and june 1981. she may be a good case to research in the doenetwork,org.

i believe the link has misdirected me to something different than you mention, as i didn't see anything about a car and the woman at time of disappearance was age 31

Yes, that's definitely pointing to a different article. Looks like they shuffled the site or something. Dang.

The first link looks like it's still good, though. And I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence anyway. So ignore the whole thing :p

chemcopout
04-01-2011, 11:35 PM
thank god! now that va has the ability to use familial dna testing to catch the killer, it should only be a matter of time before morgan's killer(s) are brought to justice!!!

evelyn24
04-02-2011, 01:10 AM
Oh this is good news for Morgan's case.

carbuff
04-02-2011, 01:11 PM
It's only useful if somebody in the killer's family has ever been arrested and had their DNA taken. It won't surprise me if that's not the case here. I hope I'm wrong. Fingers crossed...

Flmomof2
04-03-2011, 01:17 AM
I also think its a long shot but definitely worth trying. This guy blends in, commits horrendous crimes and goes unnoticed. He has never been arrested that we know of or had his DNA taken and has gone this long without being detected. The fact that he blends in so well indicates to me he is living two lives the second one know one knows about. I just pray he has family members who have been arrested. The Harringtons need closure.

evelyn24
04-03-2011, 01:35 AM
It's only useful if somebody in the killer's family has ever been arrested and had their DNA taken. It won't surprise me if that's not the case here. I hope I'm wrong. Fingers crossed...

I'm hopeful because mostly everyone has had someone in their extended family that's been arrested. Unless it has to be immediate family, and not second/third cousin types. Then again not every arrest requires DNA to be taken.

I'm praying.

Truthful Lies
04-03-2011, 09:01 AM
Wow. I just thought about it and can honestly say that no one in my family has their DNA on file (that's pretty amazing). I hope someone connected to this monster does.

carbuff
04-03-2011, 02:12 PM
Nobody in my family or my husband's family, either. There are some people who have been arrested but none for anything that would result in DNA being taken. My brother's stepson might, but he wouldn't show up as a relative, genetically speaking.

Claudette
04-03-2011, 05:16 PM
I agree, it probably won't bring a match but you never know! It's how they caught the "grim sleeper".

Personally I think he is either an immigrant or the son of immigrants and keeps to himself (maybe because of this - he feels like an outsider). I don't think he has many friends or family here and is kind of a recluse aside from his job which probably doesn't involve a lot of contact with people (mechanic, janitor, etc). MOO. This may be why in the two cases we know about, it was at night - because he feels more comfortable not having to interact with others and likes to be invisible. Didn't he attack the first girl from behind? I can't recall.

burbqueen
04-04-2011, 01:12 PM
I dunno if this has been discussed but I think Morgans Case is gonna be on the show disappeared. Anyone know about this?

dog.gone.cute
04-11-2011, 09:06 PM
I dunno if this has been discussed but I think Morgans Case is gonna be on the show disappeared. Anyone know about this?

I just turned on the ID Channel and I saw that "Disappeared" was coming on at 8:00 pm CT and it said "Morgan Harrington disappears from a Metallica concert ..." so I thought I would check here on WS and watch the show to get an update on Morgan.

But then the show started and it is about someone else who is missing (not sure of his name -- I think it is Stephen).

I will check the posts above to get an update on Morgan.

cluciano63
04-11-2011, 09:23 PM
I just turned on the ID Channel and I saw that "Disappeared" was coming on at 8:00 pm CT and it said "Morgan Harrington disappears from a Metallica concert ..." so I thought I would check here on WS and watch the show to get an update on Morgan.

But then the show started and it is about someone else who is missing (not sure of his name -- I think it is Stephen).

I will check the posts above to get an update on Morgan.

They have Morgan's case in the description for next Monday, the 18th, on my Direct TV listing, so hopefully that will be the right episode.

georgiagirl
04-11-2011, 09:29 PM
I just turned on the ID Channel and I saw that "Disappeared" was coming on at 8:00 pm CT and it said "Morgan Harrington disappears from a Metallica concert ..." so I thought I would check here on WS and watch the show to get an update on Morgan.

But then the show started and it is about someone else who is missing (not sure of his name -- I think it is Stephen).

I will check the posts above to get an update on Morgan.


Same thing here!!

iluvmua
04-16-2011, 08:06 PM
Morgan's case will be airing on Disappeared this Monday (April 18th)

arielilane
04-17-2011, 10:53 AM
Yes, the ID channel is featuring Morgan's story at 9:00 P.M. April 18.
I think it's great they are covering Morgan's story. However, if AJ is the featured reporter, I just hope she will provide responsible and correct information and does not mislead the public.:twocents:

evelyn24
04-18-2011, 08:47 PM
Morgan's case will be airing on Disappeared this Monday (April 18th)

Reminder.
Morgan's case on Disappeared starting in 15 minutes on Discovery ID.

cluciano63
04-18-2011, 11:03 PM
I am watching the show now, from taping it last hour...they talked about the various sightings of Morgan that night, including the newspaper lady and the woman who said she saw her cross, somewhat wobbly, the street near the stadium with 3 men. Talked about the finding the shirt, determined it was her shirt. Poor Morgan.

PS: Nothing really new on this show, they talked about the DNA match and just said they hope to solve the case someday, would not talk about cause of death, still not being revealed. Her parents were on the show.