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butterfly1978
06-27-2010, 11:34 PM
I took this from the inerview thread with Kyrons parents as I am curious what others think about this.
originally posted by BEANE:
At about 3:00 in the raw video, the reporter asks if it's true Terri took 2 polygraphs.

Kaine: (big sigh continued through the first few stumbled words) um... (pause) my, I, based on where we're at with the case, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna comment on that. I know she was speaking on behalf of Terri um, and that's actually something that we're trying to make sure is clear in our communications outward is when, we're gonna be, our family is the only group of individuals that will be speaking on our behalf. We fully expect that other people will come out with things to say, potentially defend friends or some of our family members. We expect that but we want to make it pretty clear that we're the ones speaking on our own behalf. No one else is speaking on our behalf.

What is Kaine saying here? Is he excluding Terri from "the family" or is he saying that Terri did not authories the friend to speak. I am so confused by this statement it half way sound to me like they are not as Unified as they want us to beleive. IMO... JMO... would like to know what others think, but please be polite and state IMO as I dont want this to be a bashing thread or pointing fingers just your opinion about this statement.

brandi
06-27-2010, 11:47 PM
Seems to me that he is just flustered or taken aback by someone else speaking for her. For all we know, he maybe only knows this person on an extremely casual level or maybe he dosen't really care for her. Just because she's TH friend dosen't necessarily mean they were all chummy....
FWIW, I think KH is just a facts&logic kind of guy, IMHO...
So I wonder what he thinks about what Mr Moulton said? :waitasec:

pufnstuf
06-27-2010, 11:48 PM
He tried to shut the barn door after the horses were out.

miabellamoure
06-27-2010, 11:55 PM
IMO...I think KH is stating that unless you hear it from one of "us"...it may or may not be so.

If I were KH in this kind of situation (God Forbid!), I would be royally irritated if anyone spoke for anyone involved in this investigation of my missing child which could negatively impact the case.

Also, if I were Finster and I was officially speaking on TH's behalf...you better believe I'd have that in writing and end my interview with something to that effect.

cluciano63
06-28-2010, 12:19 AM
I'll bet that Terri's Dad's story did not go over too well either, with Kaine at least. And anyone who is still supporting her, as it kind of jumps on that same theme of "poor Terri", which should be so far from anyone's concerns right now.

None of this need have happened if the parents (Terri, Kaine and Desiree at least) had spoken out right away, stated that they needed help in finding Kyron and appreciated all efforts and prayers and that they probably would not be facing the media on a regular basis, as they were too distraught and were busy trying to help LE. Or something like that. All of the speculation began because they never did that, and then stories were printed from second-hand sources, etc and well, here we are.

Wendy101
06-28-2010, 12:24 AM
IIRC.. Finster said she called Terri and asked if she could speak out...... ????

as for Kaine, I think he is trying to make public believe that Finster had no permission from Terri to speak.. meaning Finster all that was Finsters opinion and that it did not come from Terri..IMO he was trying to protect the damage done to his wife, that Finsters interview caused...

miabellamoure
06-28-2010, 12:27 AM
I'll bet that Terri's Dad's story did not go over too well either, with Kaine at least. And anyone who is still supporting her, as it kind of jumps on that same theme of "poor Terri", which should be so far from anyone's concerns right now.

None of this need have happened if the parents (Terri, Kaine and Desiree at least) had spoken out right away, stated that they needed help in finding Kyron and appreciated all efforts and prayers and that they probably would not be facing the media on a regular basis, as they were too distraught and were busy trying to help LE. Or something like that. All of the speculation began because they never did that, and then stories were printed from second-hand sources, etc and well, here we are.

Actually, facing the media on a regular basis...is what you want when you have a missing child. The less you are out there speaking the sooner the interest in your missing child disappears via the media.

Another thing, we have to be careful how we judge families facing this kind of ordeal. We do not know who's advising them and in that kind of crisis...many are not knowledgeable on what to do and not to do.

The family was obviously following someone's lead in public appearances whether it be by LE or whoever but, now that they are speaking out...all the better!

cluciano63
06-28-2010, 12:38 AM
Actually, facing the media on a regular basis...is what you want when you have a missing child. The less you are out there speaking the sooner the interest in your missing child disappears via the media.

Another thing, we have to be careful how we judge families facing this kind of ordeal. We do not know who's advising them and in that kind of crisis...many are not knowledgeable on what to do and not to do.

The family was obviously following someone's lead in public appearances whether it be by LE or whoever but, now that they are speaking out...all the better!

I mean the first day or two-LE was clear they had not told the family to stay away from cameras...that is when I think they should have at least made one appearance together before all of the wondering started...and then as interest faded they could have stepped back out front, when LE stopped the PC's, and resumed talking. It would have seemed more in line with what people think is typical, I guess.

DairyGirl
06-28-2010, 12:56 AM
I really think JF was trying to help and TM wanted that help but when it came off as bad as it did now the family wants to distance themselves from that "help". As far as the family speaking for themselves, does that include TM's father or mother? Or is it just the bio family? I really can't see TM speaking at all at this point.

txsvicki
06-28-2010, 12:59 AM
Maybe he means that HE didn't authorize the friend to speak for Terri.

quadlatte
06-28-2010, 01:13 AM
I mean the first day or two-LE was clear they had not told the family to stay away from cameras...that is when I think they should have at least made one appearance together before all of the wondering started...and then as interest faded they could have stepped back out front, when LE stopped the PC's, and resumed talking. It would have seemed more in line with what people think is typical, I guess.

Well, I was thinking the same thing, but in light of Mr. Moulton's interview, perhaps the reason for their conspicuous absence was because of a very INTENSE and immediate internal investigation (truck seizures, polygraphs and questionings all around)... and perhaps nobody KNEW quite what to SAY to the public yet???:waitasec:
:twocents:

DairyGirl
06-28-2010, 01:41 AM
It seems like they must have known TM was being looked at early on. They were saying that they wanted the focus to by on Kyron. At the time I didn't understand why they said that but now it makes sense.

wondering1
06-28-2010, 02:27 AM
I took it as him being upset by the fact that TH had spoken to her friend and, apparently, given the go ahead for her to speak out without consulting the rest of the *parents*. As I see it, he's saying that can't happen again -- either "we're" issuing a statement or *no one is.* Frankly, it seems to me that he's annoyed with TH allowing it and thinks it was a bad decision on her part and contrary to what she is supposed to be doing.

jmoo..and admittedly reading an awful lot into his statement -- no matter how accurate I think my interpretation is ...

greenpalm
06-28-2010, 03:02 AM
What I think is that it's quite clear to Kaine, Desiree, everyone else including Terri herself, that she has not been cleared in this case. Kaine and Desiree were given clear instructions about what they couldn't say. I have a feeling that suspicions were raised against Terri from the very beginning. I imagine that one or all of the other parents were suspect of her. Now that she is being fingered and grilled by the LE, perhaps their suspicions are even increasing. Of course, they are not about to say this, but I think Desiree & Kaine were both able to say with all honesty that Terri is cooperating. I think she IS cooperating, as far as being questioned, and letting them conduct searches, etc.

I thought it was astonishing that Kaine said, during one interview that he "could not speak for Terri's reaction." To me, that's even more amazing than what he's dancing around in your quote.

What I think this quote means though is that Kaine and Terri are not seeing eye to eye about who to talk to and how much to share. I think she is frantically trying to defend herself. She is sharing information with her father and with friends and maybe even requesting that they speak to the media…in spite of having been asked that SHE not speak to the media. Well…that may be going to far. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I don't think the relationship with Kaine & Terri is very rosy at the moment. I kind of wonder if things are very rocky for a variety of reasons. Even when asked do you think LE suspects Terri, the answer is "We can't talk about anything related to the investigation." Can you imagine how your relationship with your spouse would begin to disintegrate if you thought he'd done something dreadful to one of your children?

I just think they don't know what to do. That's also probably why they didn't speak out at the beginning. I'm guessing they were fighting amongst themselves.

Just my opinion, and speculations.

DairyGirl
06-28-2010, 03:23 AM
What I think is that it's quite clear to Kaine, Desiree, everyone else including Terri herself, that she has not been cleared in this case. Kaine and Desiree were given clear instructions about what they couldn't say. I have a feeling that suspicions were raised against Terri from the very beginning. I imagine that one or all of the other parents were suspect of her. Now that she is being fingered and grilled by the LE, perhaps their suspicions are even increasing. Of course, they are not about to say this, but I think Desiree & Kaine were both able to say with all honesty that Terri is cooperating. I think she IS cooperating, as far as being questioned, and letting them conduct searches, etc.

I thought it was astonishing that Kaine said, during one interview that he "could not speak for Terri's reaction." To me, that's even more amazing than what he's dancing around in your quote.

What I think this quote means though is that Kaine and Terri are not seeing eye to eye about who to talk to and how much to share. I think she is frantically trying to defend herself. She is sharing information with her father and with friends and maybe even requesting that they speak to the media…in spite of having been asked that SHE not speak to the media. Well…that may be going to far. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I don't think the relationship with Kaine & Terri is very rosy at the moment. I kind of wonder if things are very rocky for a variety of reasons. Even when asked do you think LE suspects Terri, the answer is "We can't talk about anything related to the investigation." Can you imagine how your relationship with your spouse would begin to disintegrate if you thought he'd done something dreadful to one of your children?

I just think they don't know what to do. That's also probably why they didn't speak out at the beginning. I'm guessing they were fighting amongst themselves.

Just my opinion, and speculations.

Yeah, Kaine is a smart man and probably had his own doubts from the beginning, even if it turns out she didn't do this. In his email he was clear that he thought that Kyron was dropped off at school and seen by others after TM left. Now that it seems that no one remembers seeing Kyron after the time that TM said she left he has to wonder. I think that the refusing to speak to the media was the result of that suspicion, thus the "Keep the focus on Kyron".

greenpalm
06-28-2010, 03:32 AM
Yeah, Kaine is a smart man and probably had his own doubts from the beginning, even if it turns out she didn't do this. In his email he was clear that he thought that Kyron was dropped off at school and seen by others after TM left. Now that it seems that no one remembers seeing Kyron after the time that TM said she left he has to wonder. I think that the refusing to speak to the media was the result of that suspicion, thus the "Keep the focus on Kyron".

Well, exactly, and he's caught between a rock and a hard place over this. Even if LE wasn't telling him not to share his own theories, (which I'm sure he has. He probably has multiple theories, I mean you can't stop your imagination over something like this. My imagination goes berserk if my husband is 5 minutes late coming home. Anyway…I digress)

Let's imagine that he does sort of maybe suspect her just a wee bit. Let's say he's not 100% confident that she didn't have something to do with it. Do you think he really wants to SAY that out loud? If it turns out not to be true, think of the damage his doubts could do to their relationship! I mean, if she's innocent, don't you think she'll be royally peeved that her own husband doubted her? yikes. I wouldn't want to go there with my husband!

Whisperer
06-28-2010, 03:59 AM
I think he is saying from this point forward NO ONE is going to be talking about Terri's actions. If anyone chooses to it is going to be a family member (Terri). He is refuting the comments made by her friend in a subtle way.

For The Kids
06-28-2010, 04:11 AM
IIRC.. Finster said she called Terri and asked if she could speak out...... ????

as for Kaine, I think he is trying to make public believe that Finster had no permission from Terri to speak.. meaning Finster all that was Finsters opinion and that it did not come from Terri..IMO he was trying to protect the damage done to his wife, that Finsters interview caused...

The thing is if it was all Finsters opinion and didnt come from fact how did this woman know Terri had had a Polygraph and was to have another on that Saturday. Her dad verified she had two also.

Donjeta
06-28-2010, 05:39 AM
I took this from the inerview thread with Kyrons parents as I am curious what others think about this.
originally posted by BEANE:
At about 3:00 in the raw video, the reporter asks if it's true Terri took 2 polygraphs.

Kaine: (big sigh continued through the first few stumbled words) um... (pause) my, I, based on where we're at with the case, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna comment on that. I know she was speaking on behalf of Terri um, and that's actually something that we're trying to make sure is clear in our communications outward is when, we're gonna be, our family is the only group of individuals that will be speaking on our behalf. We fully expect that other people will come out with things to say, potentially defend friends or some of our family members. We expect that but we want to make it pretty clear that we're the ones speaking on our own behalf. No one else is speaking on our behalf.



My first impression listening to this was that he was distancing himself from Terri. I took "I know she was speaking on behalf of Terri" to mean that Terri had okayed her friend to talk in her defense and when he goes on to say that nobody is talking for members of our family it sounds like Terri is not a part of the family anymore.

But I don't know. It could be that he means "I know she claimed to speak for Terri". Maybe there just is some disagreement between them about how to handle the media. He alludes to friends and family wanting to defend members of his family and makes it sound unwanted.

Does the reporter specifically mention JF in the question, or does Kaine make a mental jump when referring to JF as "she", without making any explanation that she was the one who brought up the polygraphs?

Angelo
06-28-2010, 06:05 AM
I really think JF was trying to help and TM wanted that help but when it came off as bad as it did now the family wants to distance themselves from that "help". As far as the family speaking for themselves, does that include TM's father or mother? Or is it just the bio family? I really can't see TM speaking at all at this point.


I agree they are trying to distance themselves. I believe KH meant that only DY and himself would speak for the family. When his interview was given the People Magazine article was hitting the stands.

Terri's friend was sent out by Terrie to defend her. It was all about poor Terri. It should have been about Kyron, the missing little boy.

Mylou
06-28-2010, 06:50 AM
I think he was simply trying to state that no one else was speaking on any of their behalfs. Seems he wouldn't even speak on Terri's behalf as she was not present. If they (the family) (or individually) had something to say they would say it, not anyone else.
That's how I took what he had to say.

Mrs G Norris
06-28-2010, 07:05 AM
He doesn't answer the question. He is asked did Terri take two polygraphs he answers by talking about friends making unauthorized statements to the media. Conclusion: she took two polygraphs. Inference: it's bad news.

cloudajo
06-28-2010, 07:15 AM
IMO...I think KH is stating that unless you hear it from one of "us"...it may or may not be so.

If I were KH in this kind of situation (God Forbid!), I would be royally irritated if anyone spoke for anyone involved in this investigation of my missing child which could negatively impact the case.

Also, if I were Finster and I was officially speaking on TH's behalf...you better believe I'd have that in writing and end my interview with something to that effect.

Note this was after the first article was published on Friday, June 18 with Finster‘s earlier comments.

====
Sunday, June 20, 2010

Reporter: "Jaymie Finster just spoke with her friend Terri Horman Saturday to make sure she was ok with Finster speaker out."

Finster: “…and she said yes, with the internet stuff going on it’s just very damaging, and I know who she is, and I know that she’s a good person, and I just wanted to speak out in regards to her character and to support her in that way.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96769584.html?tab=video (http://www.katu.com/news/local/96769584.html?tab=video)

Sunday, June 20, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. – A friend of Kyron's stepmother spoke out Sunday, talking about Terri Horman and the frustration she is feeling as the search for her missing stepson moves through day 17.

In an interview for "Good Morning America" filmed at KATU's Portland studio, Jaymie Finster said Terri Horman is a bit tired, wants Kyron home and is frustrated over the investigation now pointing towards her. She said Horman signed off on this interview because some of the public's accusations and speculation on the Internet has been so damaging.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96769584.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/96769584.html)
 

Bee Charmer
06-28-2010, 08:06 AM
IMO, so far LE has not shared with Kaine or Desiree any details of what Terri has told them or any inconsistencies there may be. In the fulness of time, that will change imo. Then, it will be very interesting to observe the family relationships and how they may change.

Calliope
06-28-2010, 09:38 AM
I took this from the inerview thread with Kyrons parents as I am curious what others think about this.
originally posted by BEANE:
At about 3:00 in the raw video, the reporter asks if it's true Terri took 2 polygraphs.

Kaine: (big sigh continued through the first few stumbled words) um... (pause) my, I, based on where we're at with the case, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna comment on that. I know she was speaking on behalf of Terri um, and that's actually something that we're trying to make sure is clear in our communications outward is when, we're gonna be, our family is the only group of individuals that will be speaking on our behalf. We fully expect that other people will come out with things to say, potentially defend friends or some of our family members. We expect that but we want to make it pretty clear that we're the ones speaking on our own behalf. No one else is speaking on our behalf.

What is Kaine saying here? Is he excluding Terri from "the family" or is he saying that Terri did not authories the friend to speak. I am so confused by this statement it half way sound to me like they are not as Unified as they want us to beleive. IMO... JMO... would like to know what others think, but please be polite and state IMO as I dont want this to be a bashing thread or pointing fingers just your opinion about this statement.

IMO, it shows just how unified the four parents are. I take it to mean exactly what he says... NO one speaks on their behalf but themselves.

TxLady2
06-28-2010, 10:50 AM
I really think JF was trying to help and TM wanted that help but when it came off as bad as it did now the family wants to distance themselves from that "help". As far as the family speaking for themselves, does that include TM's father or mother? Or is it just the bio family? I really can't see TM speaking at all at this point.

By TM, I assume you mean Terri Horman. So it should be TH, not TM. Or at least add the H... TMH.
When I see the initials TM, I always think of Tim Miller.

eta: Thanks, no harm intended. Just clarifying.

Donjeta
06-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Somewhat on topic:
Kaine said in the same interview that he can't necessarily comment on how Terri is coping. Why do you think that was? Because he didn't want to speak on behalf of Terri? Terri said not to talk about her? LE said not to talk about Terri? He doesn't know how Terri is coping? He knows but it's not something that can be discussed on national television?

Hopefully Terri gets lots of family support off the record because this interview left some questions open as to what her own husband thinks about her (IMO) and it's rather sad if she didn't do anything.

Off topic: There appears to be some variation as to how the stepmother is referred to. TH, TM or TMH. Here's one article that calls her Terri Moulton.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

wondering1
06-28-2010, 11:28 AM
IMO, it shows just how unified the four parents are. I take it to mean exactly what he says... NO one speaks on their behalf but themselves.

I don't think that can possibly be the case. If you believe that TH authorized JF to speak (which I do since that point was specifically made by her in both of the snippets above), then either Kaine didn't know TH had done that (not unified), or he knew/knows and disagreed with the decision(also not unified) Otherwise he wouldn't have said that no one is speaking for them.

grayjay
06-28-2010, 11:46 AM
I think Kaine was specifically coached to answer in this way. Any other answer is problematic, and this way he doesn't make things worse but allows the interview to take place.

Donjeta
06-28-2010, 11:52 AM
Somewhat OT but might be of interest in finding out how unified the family is:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Family-friends-of-Kyron-Horman-pass-out-reminder/iYz0pAeluEGRdshA52iNlg.cspx

Three quotes:
Kaine Horman and Desiree Young are doing anything they can to bring Kyron home.

Michael can see the pain on the faces of Desiree and Kane. The two say they're not prepared for whatever the outcome may be.

Michael got a glimpse of a few clips from the interview with Desiree and Kaine.
"What I saw were two people that miss their boy and are doing their best to remain strong," said Michael.

It might mean something or it might mean nothing but the article does fail to mention Terri and what she's doing to bring Kyron home very conspicuously, IMO, which might tie into what DY and KH said about feeling it was important to come together as the natural parents of Kyron.

loves2bmom
06-28-2010, 12:29 PM
IMO, it shows just how unified the four parents are. I take it to mean exactly what he says... NO one speaks on their behalf but themselves.

I think it's just the opposite. From what I can gather from the interviews and how they answered, body language, the lack of photos released with TH in them...this makes me really start to see a divide in the family. I know the lack of her being in the photos has been discussed at length and some thought it was just a matter of TH always being the photographer. I didn't see it that way at all. You would think if they were "unified" there would be at least a few with all of them. I see KH and DY as a team but not TH. JMO

loves2bmom
06-28-2010, 12:30 PM
What I think is that it's quite clear to Kaine, Desiree, everyone else including Terri herself, that she has not been cleared in this case. Kaine and Desiree were given clear instructions about what they couldn't say. I have a feeling that suspicions were raised against Terri from the very beginning. I imagine that one or all of the other parents were suspect of her. Now that she is being fingered and grilled by the LE, perhaps their suspicions are even increasing. Of course, they are not about to say this, but I think Desiree & Kaine were both able to say with all honesty that Terri is cooperating. I think she IS cooperating, as far as being questioned, and letting them conduct searches, etc.

I thought it was astonishing that Kaine said, during one interview that he "could not speak for Terri's reaction." To me, that's even more amazing than what he's dancing around in your quote.

What I think this quote means though is that Kaine and Terri are not seeing eye to eye about who to talk to and how much to share. I think she is frantically trying to defend herself. She is sharing information with her father and with friends and maybe even requesting that they speak to the media…in spite of having been asked that SHE not speak to the media. Well…that may be going to far. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I don't think the relationship with Kaine & Terri is very rosy at the moment. I kind of wonder if things are very rocky for a variety of reasons. Even when asked do you think LE suspects Terri, the answer is "We can't talk about anything related to the investigation." Can you imagine how your relationship with your spouse would begin to disintegrate if you thought he'd done something dreadful to one of your children?

I just think they don't know what to do. That's also probably why they didn't speak out at the beginning. I'm guessing they were fighting amongst themselves.

Just my opinion, and speculations.

That was a very well written post and I agree 100%

watchful_eye
06-28-2010, 12:35 PM
Right now it appears ---meaning that the media is making it look like-- Kaine and Desiree are very involved in finding their son, and Terri has been physically or emotionally segregated from the family and is not involved in the investigation other than cooperating with LE during questioning.

Kaine's answer to the polygraph question was not only sketchy (meaning it did not make Terri look good), but it distanced himself from her, and he in fact did not answer the question, and THAT is a bad sign. Dodging questions is never good. I'm not saying Kaine should be suspected, or is behaving badly per say---I'm saying that he knows something about the investigation---related to Terri, and it doesn't look good.

Why didn't he say, something like, :
"Yes, Terri has been polygraphed and questioned as well because she was the last person to see Kyron. We support LE in this process because they are doing their job to rule out any circumstances/people. We support Terri as well, as she is equally as devasted over Kyron's disappearance and is doing everything she can to help LE."

He didn't because MAYBE he has a reason to loose faith in Terri.

Everyone is so secretive at this point so it's still difficult to say what the heck is going on. No new breaks = not good news for Kyron :(

eyes4crime
06-28-2010, 01:26 PM
Kyron's step-dad is a is a homicide detective, perhaps this fact makes everyone nervous. When you have family and friends speaking out and you can't control what is being said, you're sort of in a bind. Maybe when this happens, Kaine feels he is letting LE and step-dad down and hindering the case. Maybe he doesn't know how to tell the media that! just my opinion and all that stuff moo mho