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cluciano63
07-02-2010, 03:42 PM
I hate starting threads and please delete if wrong, but there is word on other sites that MCSO will be having a PC at 2pm today. Has anyone seen/heard that? (Not that I expect we will learn anything...)

scandi
07-02-2010, 03:46 PM
I hate starting threads and please delete if wrong, but there is word on other sites that MCSO will be having a PC at 2pm today. Has anyone seen/heard that? (Not that I expect we will learn anything...)I hope so. I keep waiting for the shoe to drop and they take her into custody. I think they need to get her in the box with the best from the FBI. IMO

Ms Suzanne
07-02-2010, 03:49 PM
I hope they have one too to clear up a few things.They might just have a presser to say she really is not a suspect or POI.You never know,Maybe a few people will get arrested before this is all over.

BeanE
07-02-2010, 03:52 PM
MCSO usually announces their pressers on this site, but I don't see anything:

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 03:55 PM
Could be just a rumor, it came from a twitter as far as I can tell.

SuziQ
07-02-2010, 03:57 PM
O/T Heather Mallory's remains have been found and her husband arrested.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61936&page=5&highlight=Heather+Mallory

xin
07-02-2010, 03:59 PM
I hate starting threads and please delete if wrong, but there is word on other sites that MCSO will be having a PC at 2pm today. Has anyone seen/heard that? (Not that I expect we will learn anything...)

Hate to be dumb but what's MCSO?

aprilheeler
07-02-2010, 04:01 PM
MCSO = Multnomah County Sheriff's Office

xin
07-02-2010, 04:02 PM
MCSO = Multnomah County Sheriff's Office

Thanks...just figured it out as you posted! Thanks, this will also help those new and from other areas. Best.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Anita from KATU posted on the public FB about the PC at 2pm...

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:16 PM
thanks cluciano! do you have a link to Anita's fb?

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 04:17 PM
Anita from KATU posted on the public FB about the PC at 2pm...

I was watching fox 12 at 11am this am and I swore they said today there was a PC at 2pm but I couldn't find anything so I thought I heard wrong.. I may not be that crazy after all =)

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 04:18 PM
She posted it on the public FB about Kyron...one of the Kyron Open Discussion ones...not sure I can say that or link it.

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I was watching fox 12 at 11am this am and I swore they said today there was a PC at 2pm but I couldn't find anything so I thought I heard wrong.. I may not be that crazy after all =)Darlin', You're not crazy. lol You bounce up so fast from each free fall it almost makes me dizzy. Eventually the media will catch up. LOLOLOL

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 04:31 PM
K, I sat on hold for 8 minutes calling Fox 12 and finally hung up.. maybe in a minute I'll call KATU.. =)

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:32 PM
to make notice of the presser or not to make notice of it (if there WILL be a presser).... that is the question! ((might I add, in terms of the high publicity of this case it would do LE well to give the heads up to the world at large that they are planning to hold said presser before the long holiday weekend! This IS about the one month anniversary of a little child that we are talking about after all))

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Dude from KATU says yes it's at 2pm, and he said it should be on their webpage..

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:37 PM
can I also add that LE has not "officially spoken" in a LONG TIME? It has been QUITE some time.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 04:37 PM
If there is a PC, I bet it will just be a status of the case, at 4 weeks. And we know that already :(

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:40 PM
If there is a PC, I bet it will just be a status of the case, at 4 weeks. And we know that already :(

status or not... it has been a while since they have last spoken officially.

Even if they say nothing...confirm nothing..etc.....it at least will be a "word" from LE.

They have been silent way too long imhoo... they need to say something to the public at large to tell us what they are doing to find this little boy.

tehcloser
07-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Hmmm....I was kind of expecting one AFTER the ro hearing if it is unsealed.

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:44 PM
scandi: "***" being a msm link or a blog?
Gosh, I don't know as I'd never clicked on that site before. I don't see any comments.

I also found a copy of the document where the Oregonian and other media outlets are requesting the intervention and unsealing of the court docs having to do with the RO. Evidently that is the hearing scheduled for 2:30 PDT.

I can't get a c & p to work - it must be a PDF file. Maybe some well traveled Sleuther will be able to locate that document on the web and bring it here. I would have to link to another site to bring it here and won't do that. xox

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 04:46 PM
anyone have the links to the sites that may carry it, if its going to happen? :) tia

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Dude from KATU says yes it's at 2pm, and he said it should be on their webpage..
Did you call them Free? :woohoo: :woohoo: Cool Sometimes that is the best way to learn something. xox

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Hmmm....I was kind of expecting one AFTER the ro hearing if it is unsealed. seems they want to, at this time, "stay out of family issues"... (not a direct quote just emphasis on my part)

does this mean the family issues play a part in the investigation and LE will not comment due to this?

or does it mean family issues don't play a part at all...

Mind you all, I don't want to start a family issues conversation in this thread on the presser... but after it we hear it..I suggest that in break out threads it is discussed. JMHOO

carole
07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
HLN is reporting press conference at 5PM eastern time.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 04:49 PM
KATU is supposedly going to carry it, but nothing on their site to indicate it. It does not make much sense they would have it before the RS hearing, but then again, I doubt very much it will be unsealed or that LE will discuss it anyway.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:49 PM
reporting in: no link yet at KATU

dorothyz
07-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Does anyone think this will be something besides a "we still can't say anything" event?

We would have heard already if there was an arrest, right?

To watch or not to watch...

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:51 PM
seems they want to, at this time, "stay out of family issues"... (not a direct quote just emphasis on my part)

does this mean the family issues play a part in the investigation and LE will not comment due to this?

or does it mean family issues don't play a part at all...

Mind you all, I don't want to start a family issues conversation in this thread on the presser... but after it we hear it..I suggest that in break out threads it is discussed. JMHOO

Great. Maybe you can lead the way in what threads to open. Will this thread do for the Presser and Hearing discussions? We should probably have another thread for the Hearing, right? I wonder if it will be live court action?

Wendy101
07-02-2010, 04:51 PM
PC. what for? Did I wonder if Kaine approved? Well you know it IS Friday.... maybe Kaine told them they will start holding their press conferences on Fridays from now on?

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 04:52 PM
Does anyone think this will be something besides a "we still can't say anything" event?

We would have heard already if there was an arrest, right?

To watch or not to watch...

I can't really say.... :croc:

I'm going to watch it, then I'm off for the night.

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 04:53 PM
I don't know if I believe the KATU dude or not! =) but here is the link
http://www.katu.com/news/live

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Local Fox station always has a stream going but no sign of a press conference setup yet:

http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Does anyone think this will be something besides a "we still can't say anything" event?

We would have heard already if there was an arrest, right?

To watch or not to watch...Yes, We have been jaded with the pressers/news conferences so far, No Comment et al. I hope that will change now as there is more movement in the case.

Unless some poster is watching the bookings for Mult County, we might not learn about an arrest until such an occasion as a presser or unless LE contacts media and it comes out as a Breaking News Update. IMO

Do we have a live feed for the Presser?

luvtenniss
07-02-2010, 04:56 PM
kptv is going to show it:
http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 04:56 PM
I bet we learn nothing new from the PC and as regards the hearing; Do we know it is about unsealing the RO or is it for making a decision on whether it will dismissed or made permanent for an period of time (ie 1 yr, )?

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:56 PM
Great. Maybe you can lead the way in what threads to open. Will this thread do for the Presser and Hearing discussions? We should probably have another thread for the Hearing, right? I wonder if it will be live court action? jmhoo but I think the following threads will need to be posted on:

1) hearing (imhoo needs it's own thread)
2) restraining order
3) media outlets left out (if they report anything on this)


and need to go thru the rest to see what this could apply. Good idea Sandi.. to figure out where specific discussion needs to go before it all breaks loose. It seems that it could all break loose with the hearing. I don't see LE saying anything to make things go nuts at this point but who knows.

SuziQ
07-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Going in a minute now. Going right at two the guy says.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 04:58 PM
I bet we learn nothing new from the PC and as regards the hearing; Do we know it is about unsealing the RO or is it for making a decision on whether it will dismissed or made permanent for an period of time (ie 1 yr, )?
If the RO documents are opened it will be huge. If the judge rules to keep them closed it will also be huge. The hearing=huge imhoo

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Are they in a courtroom?

scandi
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM
KPTV's Live Stream is on.

SuziQ
07-02-2010, 05:00 PM
my fox feed keeps freezing up and buffering....as usual. And I see no other live feeds.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:01 PM
KPTV's Live Stream is on.
this one works... feed is up.. you see chairs.. and reporter just said "one minute warning"

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 05:01 PM
KPTV went black on me, anyone else

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 05:02 PM
here we go

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:02 PM
faces very dour!

freefallzzzz
07-02-2010, 05:02 PM
try katu
http://www.katu.com/news/live

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:02 PM
which on works?

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 05:03 PM
which on works?

http://www.katu.com/news/live
this one does for me

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:04 PM
nothing working for me

Emeralgem
07-02-2010, 05:04 PM
neither are working for me

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:04 PM
http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html

This works for me. :)

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 05:04 PM
It is so maddening to hear that there is breaking news and then all they come on with is that TH lied about her whereabouts the day K went missing due to cell phone pings.

We heard this news earlier in the week and she denied she was at Sauvie Island. :croc:

tehcloser
07-02-2010, 05:05 PM
I have nothing.

raeann
07-02-2010, 05:05 PM
nothing working for me

Sorry....off topic....but your avatar looks exactly like my cat....and I mean exactly!!!!

keeponsearching
07-02-2010, 05:06 PM
Just keeping media upto date, and asking for tips, continue process, closing doors, moved rapidly. Usually takes 2 months to 6 months for where they are in this investigation . Moving faster.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:06 PM
says media needs involved.. valid tips investigated... 60% covered.. needs to continue. Says media is huge help.

1)it inolves a child
2) involves a school

unique

the investigation is unique

number of children unique

critical..

SuziQ
07-02-2010, 05:07 PM
I guess WW was correct.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:07 PM
Why is he talking mostly about budget and money? This isn't a pc about Kyron's case...it sounds more like a cost analysis of the case. WTH?

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:07 PM
now talking about budget... 300k spent so far

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:07 PM
ok # of tips and the budget? that's all he is talking about?

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:08 PM
(bleep bleep bleep) = my comments about his budget comments

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:08 PM
Why is he talking mostly about budget and money? This isn't a pc about Kyron's case...it sounds more like a cost analysis of the case. WTH?

Never forget that the Sheriff is an elected official.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:09 PM
currently TH has an atty.. and based on that fact they can only communicate with her in certain ways.

she is cooperative otherwise

on TH

CANNOT COMMENT

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:09 PM
no it has not stalled...tips, etc...denies it is stalled

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:10 PM
Never forget that the Sheriff is an elected official.

Ahhhh yes. That's right! Well that explains our budget rundown then. I'd still rather here more info regarding Kyron and the case. It's not a very informative pc. I'm not asking for intimate case details but generalizations would be nice!

gliving
07-02-2010, 05:10 PM
Terri is cooperative with LE. He thinks Kyron is alive.

PGWodehouse
07-02-2010, 05:10 PM
Everyone is a POI, we have not named a suspect in this case.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:11 PM
no indication to believed kyron is not alive, have potential to bring him home unless proven otherwise

everyone is a POI, not named any suspects

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:11 PM
"We're not drawing any types of conclusions..."

That's leaves this case WIDE open.

tehcloser
07-02-2010, 05:11 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :twocents:

pdx
07-02-2010, 05:11 PM
Do you believe Kyron is being held by someone in the local area?

long pause

I can't comment on that.


There are indications that both Kyron & his mother were seen at the school.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
he didn't say he thinks Kyron is alive...just no indication to prove otherwise...he said they are working under the theory Kyron is alive..

indications that both K and T were at the school (kyron and terri)

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
looking at things that have opened up with this investigation

if it was not active and a focal point he would not be talking to media today

EVERYONE A PERSON OF INTEREST

TH is a member of this family and because of the family associations the family is actively involved

based on what "we have" it has developed off of the canvuses, children, video, etc.. not drawing conclusion but basing evidence on what area they will move in

cannot comment if kyron could be being held

were th and K seen at school? Le: yes.. nothing to indicate otherwise

DID ANYONE SEE THEM LEAVE/ that I cannot comment on!!!!

PGWodehouse
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Indications that TH and Kyron seen at the school, and nothing to indicate otherwise.

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
So TH now has a great lawyer -- who's paying for that??

OMG -- I feel another CMA case coming on!!!!!!!:banghead:

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Sauvie's Island is being searched just to close out leads they've gotten. He's still not tying anything at all to TH. Interesting!

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:12 PM
cell phone pings: I cannot comment on

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:13 PM
lost my feed

gliving
07-02-2010, 05:13 PM
Kyron and Terri seen at school Friday morning.

Cannot comment as to cell phone pings. Searched the Island, but searched other sites also.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:13 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :twocents:


I AGREEEEE! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
:waitasec:

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:13 PM
LE will not comment IF ANYONE SAW THEM LEAVE

LE WILL NOT COMMENT ON PHONE PINGS OF TH

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:14 PM
lost my feed

Try refreshing. I lost mine then refreshed and it came back up.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:14 PM
needs people to look for evidence

Le says that the defense atty now changes things.. he cannot go up and talk to TH

pdx
07-02-2010, 05:14 PM
What about the cell phone pings? (mumble)

That I can't comment on , sorry.


What can the community do?

The community can ... keep their eyes open. Looking at things around them.
... tips that have been very helpful.
Find any type of evidence we can use.


All sightings have been checked out.


Explaining about how to speak to someone who now has a lawyer.

debirlfan
07-02-2010, 05:15 PM
Do you believe Kyron is being held by someone in the local area?

long pause

I can't comment on that.


There are indications that both Kyron & his mother were seen at the school.

Mother? I assume they mean the SM.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:15 PM
Detailing how they go through an attorney to speak to TH now. They must respect that she has someone representing her.

SuziQ
07-02-2010, 05:15 PM
It is so maddening to hear that there is breaking news and then all they come on with is that TH lied about her whereabouts the day K went missing due to cell phone pings.

We heard this news earlier in the week and she denied she was at Sauvie Island. :croc:

Wait. Was this said at the presser or not?

GolferChick
07-02-2010, 05:15 PM
Is this the first time we're hearing about the DA being involved? ...maybe I just missed it...

pdx
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Gates was right about this.. nothing evidences something (one) as a threat to our community.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Have not ruled out but have nothing to indicate that there is a threat to the community.

That one RIGHT THERE speaks volumes imo.

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
I have to believe that at 4 weeks in something would have leaked. I can not think of a single case where LE has been able to silence the multitudes. I think they really have nothing so there has been nothing to leak.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Well I learned ZIP from that pc. lol Oh well.

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:17 PM
That last comment was the most enlightening. Obviously they don't think he was abducted by a stranger.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:17 PM
stranger ruled out (media)
LE: this is something that is not ruled out but there has been nothing that developed and if there was he would be the first one screaming out that a threat exists

he thinks that is IS A THREAT AND IT WAS AN INCIDENT AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT AND HE CANNOT COMMENT ON IT

shelbar53
07-02-2010, 05:18 PM
I swore I heard a woman reporter asked him if LE has lied {regarding the investigation} and he said, I can't comment on that and had a little smile when he responded. I want to see the transcripts because if that was what I heard then that is very telling to me..

gliving
07-02-2010, 05:18 PM
Working on the assumption that Kyron is alive.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:18 PM
I have to believe that at 4 weeks in something would have leaked. I can not think of a single case where LE has been able to silence the multitudes. I think they really have nothing so there has been nothing to leak.


Precisely my thoughts. There HAS to be a lead...something they are focusing on or a theory they are leading on. I find it very hard to believe that after 4 weeks they really have nothing. They either are playing this VERY close to the vest or have nothing at all to speak of. I'm going with playing it close to the vest however.

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:19 PM
I have to believe that at 4 weeks in something would have leaked. I can not think of a single case where LE has been able to silence the multitudes. I think they really have nothing so there has been nothing to leak.

The cell phone pings have leaked multiple times. So have the polygraph tests. Maybe they don't have much more than knowing that TH has not been truthful about her whereabouts that day.

shelbar53
07-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Is this the first time we're hearing about the DA being involved? ...maybe I just missed it...
I thought I read that the DA was at the school on sunday when people were returning the questionare.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
stranger ruled out (media)
LE: this is something that is not ruled out but there has been nothing that developed and if there was he would be the first one screaming out that a threat exists

he thinks that is IS A THREAT AND IT WAS AN INCIDENT AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT AND HE CANNOT COMMENT ON IT

Wait, what is all this?

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
I truly believe Le: That this was:

1)threat to Kyron Horman
2)an incident
3)LE will "take care of it"


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that was really all I needed to know

swa
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
What I took from this press conference: We know Terri Horman did it. Just give us time.

Adrienne37
07-02-2010, 05:21 PM
If you ask me that was a whole lot a nothin about nothin. About the only thing that I gathered from this was the fact that there are 2700(?) leads and about 60% of them have been followed up on and that the DA's office has an investigator working also.

As far as the budget issues go, I could care less about. There should be no price tag put on any child's head that goes missing. If you spend $1 million a day then so be it, you do whatever you have to do to find that child and bring him/her home.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:21 PM
looking at things that have opened up with this investigation

if it was not active and a focal point he would not be talking to media today

EVERYONE A PERSON OF INTEREST

TH is a member of this family and because of the family associations the family is actively involved

based on what "we have" it has developed off of the canvuses, children, video, etc.. not drawing conclusion but basing evidence on what area they will move in

cannot comment if kyron could be being held

were th and K seen at school? Le: yes.. nothing to indicate otherwise

DID ANYONE SEE THEM LEAVE/ that I cannot comment on!!!!At first I heard him say . .associations, and he quickly changed it to family associations. Interesting to say the least IMO

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Wait, what is all this?
I think it, most likely, is what already has been widely suspected.. and if not it is something that LE has been onto from the start.

also re emphasize: le will not comment as to if there were any witnesses that saw TH and Kyron LEAVING the school

eta: BUT HE will CONFIRM THAT HE WAS THERE... INTERESTING

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:22 PM
OK, so he is "saying" it is very close to home?

So it's Terri or they have no clue...one or the other.

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:23 PM
I must say that I'm really disappointed. After last weekends disruptions of the divorce filing and RO, I honestly believed we'd have, at the very least, a suspect named. I was hoping for an arrest. I believe in MCSO tho and am sure they are doing what they feel is in the best interest of the case. As for sweet Kyron, I'll continue praying and hoping for his safe return. But after 4 weeks missing, it's getting harder and harder to keep the faith.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:24 PM
I truly believe Le: That this was:

1)threat to Kyron Horman
2)an incident
3)LE will "take care of it"


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that was really all I needed to knowBy threat does that imply it was a premeditated incident in your mind?

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:24 PM
I agree. If they do not have enough evidence to make an arrest by now, and if it is Terri they are looking at, how are they going to get it now?

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:24 PM
The cell phone pings have leaked multiple times. So have the polygraph tests. Maybe they don't have much more than knowing that TH has not been truthful about her whereabouts that day.


The cell phone pings are not leaks. They are assumptions made by investigators that are not involved in the case....and we here at websleuthes have made those assumptions without needing others outside the investigation to point this possibility out. All guesses (mind you I am not saying they or we are wrong based on ping knowledge in general) but the cell info was not 'leaked'

ETA addressing the poly's..that came from 'a source' so possibly a leak or another assumption? I am having trouble with MSM because they have reported all kinds of rumors (body found etc.) that are just plain not true! So I guess at this point even if something were 'leaked' I would have a problem believing their 'sources'

Noway
07-02-2010, 05:24 PM
Are you saying there were cell phone pings and that LE (who, please) said that Terri lied about her whereabouts and they know that due to cell pings?

If so, then 1) she had a cell phone and 2) they have the records and 3) they have the pings.

If they believe he is alive, why are they searching water and woods? Do they not think there was accomplice?




I guess WW was correct.


It is so maddening to hear that there is breaking news and then all they come on with is that TH lied about her whereabouts the day K went missing due to cell phone pings.

We heard this news earlier in the week and she denied she was at Sauvie Island. :croc:

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:25 PM
What I took from this press conference: We know Terri Horman did it. Just give us time.


Do you? I was hoping to have them SAY that...even in a round about way. Yet I'm not getting it. I do believe by him saying that it's not a community wide threat (paraphrasing), he was singling out SOMEONE. Tell me why you feel the way you do...I need some hope here.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:25 PM
did anyone see him in the school with Terri H/can you confirm: YES

did any witnesses see him leave the school: NO COMMENT

CCup
07-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Dang, I missed the whole thing because I was glued to the World Cup game! But it looks like I didn't miss much?

shelbar53
07-02-2010, 05:26 PM
I think it, most likely, is what already has been widely suspected.. and if not it is something that LE has been onto from the start.

also re emphasize: le will not comment as to if there were any witnesses that saw TH and Kyron LEAVING the school

eta: BUT HE will CONFIRM THAT HE WAS THERE... INTERESTING

He did say that SM and Kyron were at the school. {he commented on that}
He won't comment on if they were seen leaving together or if just SM left alone.

Every question about Teri was no comment except that she was cooporating. Good questions from the reporters, too bad it was very hard to hear all of the questions.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:26 PM
I think it, most likely, is what already has been widely suspected.. and if not it is something that LE has been onto from the start.

also re emphasize: le will not comment as to if there were any witnesses that saw TH and Kyron LEAVING the school

eta: BUT HE will CONFIRM THAT HE WAS THERE... INTERESTING

I thought the lady reporter asked if TH and Kyron have been confirmed to have been at the school and he gave an affirmative to that. So he really confirmed they were both there IMO.

Noway
07-02-2010, 05:27 PM
Do they ONLY believe he is alive because there is no evidence (blood evidence) to suggest otherwise?

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:27 PM
Are you saying there were cell phone pings and that LE (who, please) said that Terri lied about her whereabouts and they know that due to cell pings?

If so, then 1) she had a cell phone and 2) they have the records and 3) they have the pings.

If they believe he is alive, why are they searching water and woods? Do they not think there was accomplice?


BBM: I'm wondering the exact same thing. Do they feel there IS an accomplice holding him on a camping trip? That would be a relatively easy way to keep a young boy from freaking out about not returning home..."Hey buddy let's go on an adventure" sort of thing. Tho I find it hard to believe that's possible at this point. It's been 4 long weeks. But if they FULLY believe he is alive (tho he said they are operating on the assumption that he's alive...which is a bit questionably certain) WHY searching water with divers etc???

grayjay
07-02-2010, 05:28 PM
I truly believe Le: That this was:

1)threat to Kyron Horman
2)an incident
3)LE will "take care of it"


----------

that was really all I needed to know
I think he also called it a "situation."

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:28 PM
did anyone see him in the school with Terri H/can you confirm: YES

did any witnesses see him leave the school: NO COMMENT



but what about HER? Did anyone see her leave?

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:28 PM
maybe I have seen to many of these cases and LE speaking but before they wouldn't say if he was seen for sure at the school.

now he "was"

and was he seen leaving the school? no comment

I have a ding, ding, ding, ding, ding going on~

Noway
07-02-2010, 05:29 PM
Dang! I wish I could ask questions -- has anyone asked about trash collection and landfill (or transfer station, which if like ours, I could drive to and dump trash).

Was it the Sheriff answering questions or the MCSO spokesperson?

Thank you to all of you who watched and are giving us your interpretations of what was said as well as the words.

gliving
07-02-2010, 05:29 PM
OK, so he is "saying" it is very close to home?

So it's Terri or they have no clue...one or the other.

He said he didn't think it was a serial predator. I guess with Kyron being a young child, it would have to be someone close to him. Again the no stranger danger.

I came away feeling neutral. Not feeling one way or another.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:29 PM
but what about HER? Did anyone see her leave?
I think that fell under a No Comment

darlin gal
07-02-2010, 05:30 PM
“Ultimately, if we are unable to find Kyron, this could turn into a cold case,” Staton acknowledged in an exclusive interview with The Oregonian. “At some point I’m going to have to make a final decision that this has got to move in a different direction. But right now the way I’ve got it set up, and the way I’ve been working with investigations and the FBI, the other agencies, we will downscale appropriately based on their availability (and) the funding sources.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html

Pocono Sleuther
07-02-2010, 05:31 PM
Do they ONLY believe he is alive because there is no evidence (blood evidence) to suggest otherwise?


THIS is what I think might be the reason for the 'we are operating on the assumption that Kyron is still alive' comment. We don't know of any evidence otherwise...right? By we, I mean us here on WS. So that would explain that statement. BUT then it's muddied by the searches in water and woods etc. Those searches seem to be for a body. I hate typing that. :( I'm also wondering about the cell phone pings. Someone on another thread made the comment that perhaps TH left her phone somewhere to ping TO COVER her tracks?! The phone could have been lying somewhere on Sauvie pinging towers but she could have been anywhere. Then just come back to grab the phone. It is a possibility. Everyone knows a cell pings off towers at certain intervals.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 05:31 PM
looking at things that have opened up with this investigation

if it was not active and a focal point he would not be talking to media today

EVERYONE A PERSON OF INTEREST

TH is a member of this family and because of the family associations the family is actively involved

based on what "we have" it has developed off of the canvuses, children, video, etc.. not drawing conclusion but basing evidence on what area they will move in

cannot comment if kyron could be being held

were th and K seen at school? Le: yes.. nothing to indicate otherwise

DID ANYONE SEE THEM LEAVE/ that I cannot comment on!!!!

BBM
Was that a finger pointing to TH or to TH and her associations, thus "family associations"? Or is TH the only "family association". :waitasec:

(Not sure, I'm not watching. Thanks to all for transcribing.)

Also, it seems that it's a specific Kyron incident, and not a general threat. threat to Kyron only - right?

The way it reads here - it looks like a big fat hint in there was dropped... this is about TH, associate of TH & family possibly, and a specific Kyron focused threat.

hmmmmmmm... did those who watched feel that LE was saying this investigation is focused like that?

Or did you interpret focus on TH only? TIA!

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:31 PM
My impression was he has to be careful now that T's lawyer is listening. I got the impression they are saying Kyron is alive only because not proved otherwise, not because of any info.

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:32 PM
******disclaimer******** as per semantics of what I tried to frantically type out for all of you guys who didn't have the feed... it was not exact.. and any words that I got wrong please correct.

I for sure heard LE say "no comment" when asked if any witness saw him leave.

That is huge to me since they WILL COMMENT NOW that he was in fact there.

Next time I would like to hear a reporter ask if TM was seen leaving the building... if there is a concurrent no comment.. (if there hasn't been an arrest by then) my hinky meter will further ding

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:32 PM
The cell phone pings are not leaks. They are assumptions made by investigators that are not involved in the case....and we here at websleuthes have made those assumptions without needing others outside the investigation to point this possibility out. All guesses (mind you I am not saying they or we are wrong based on ping knowledge in general) but the cell info was not 'leaked'

The KGW article cites a "reliable source". You can get into semantics because they don't say a "reliable source close to the investigation" but KGW did publish it. The WW article does rely on officials who are not to WW's knowledge directly involved with the investigation, basically rumors in the local LE community. I think there's been enough smoke around the issue that we can infer some fire regarding the cell pings.

pghbrandi
07-02-2010, 05:33 PM
Just a quick thanks to everyone who posted what happened! I couldn't watch. Thanks!!!

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:34 PM
I think that whole thing was about Terri...when he was stumbling around about family associations, I took that as now that Terri is kind of unassociated from family, he was just having a hard time with wording to refer to Terri...if you know what i mean, not that he meant other family members of hers...

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 05:34 PM
BBM
Was that a finger pointing to TH or to TH and her associations, thus "family associations"? Or is TH the only "family association". :waitasec:

(Not sure, I'm not watching. Thanks to all for transcribing.)

Also, it seems that it's a specific Kyron incident, and not a general threat. threat to Kyron only - right?

The way it reads here - it looks like a big fat hint in there was dropped... this is about TH, associate of TH & family possibly, and a specific Kyron focused threat.

hmmmmmmm... did those who watched feel that LE was saying this investigation is focused like that?

Or did you interpret focus on TH only? TIA! watching it I t=interpreted it as a 'possible' focus on her only.. but explaining away her relation to the family. I am sure we will be able to see more of what I was trying to type out real-time when the transcript comes out and sorry if I suck at real time typing of events LOL..

cakegirl0905
07-02-2010, 05:35 PM
GGGGAAAAAHHHHH! I am so frustrated! I want more info.

I am so afraid now that TH has a good lawyer that they will never know what happened to Kyron.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:35 PM
ďUltimately, if we are unable to find Kyron, this could turn into a cold case,Ē Staton acknowledged in an exclusive interview with The Oregonian. ďAt some point Iím going to have to make a final decision that this has got to move in a different direction. But right now the way Iíve got it set up, and the way Iíve been working with investigations and the FBI, the other agencies, we will downscale appropriately based on their availability (and) the funding sources.Ē

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html


I would think before they let that happen, the case go cold, they would get TH in the box and grill her till the truth comes out.

If there is something in that RO that shows she acted irresponsibly with either of the children I would think they could arrest her on that.

I was hoping this unusual lawyer she hired would have her confess. He doesn't care if he has guilty clients. That might further the finding of Kyron, eh? It could be tho that his best interest now is in the SM and not the victim in the case. How seriously sad if true !

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:36 PM
I was shocked they still have 20 detectives working full-time on this. Not that Kyron doesn't deserve it but that's a lot of manpower devoted to one case.

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:36 PM
maybe I have seen to many of these cases and LE speaking but before they wouldn't say if he was seen for sure at the school.

now he "was"

and was he seen leaving the school? no comment

I have a ding, ding, ding, ding, ding going on~


In the first couple of days they DID confirm he was there. Then they started the 'no comment' business and backtracked on everything. I have always believed he was there because of the statement made by PTA pres. Gina Zimmerman. SHE never took back her statement.

scandi
07-02-2010, 05:37 PM
I think that whole thing was about Terri...when he was stumbling around about family associations, I took that as now that Terri is kind of unassociated from family, he was just having a hard time with wording to refer to Terri...if you know what i mean, not that he meant other family members of hers...I took it as Teri possibly has some associations which they are looking at. He did go back and restate what he had said about associations.

momtective
07-02-2010, 05:38 PM
Why do they hold these PC's and release relatively no information? What purpose does this serve and how on earth is it conducive to finding Kyron? It just seems like such a waste of valuable time to me and quite honestly, if it was my child who was missing I really wouldn't appreciate it very much. If they have nothing to say to the public that might help bring Kyron home then they need to just shut up and say nothing at all.

Emeralgem
07-02-2010, 05:38 PM
:headache::nerves::curses::curses::burn::scream::c ry::beamup:

Lavender
07-02-2010, 05:38 PM
My takeaways based on what I saw:


Sheriff Staton made a statement and addressed questions he's been asked recently, then opened up the floor to questions
He prefaced the budgetary question by saying something along the lines of, I know this is going to be asked.
Indicated that his office has full support regarding the expenditures regarding the investigation.
He emphasized how important the press is and how much they are needed in this investigation. (IMO, sounded like he was doing some damage control from yesterday's situation with the press.)
Emphasized that they have no reason to believe Kyron is not alive and they are operating on the premise that they can still find him alive.
He said that he has heard nothing that indicates that TH is not cooperating.
He said TH is not being looked at with greater scrutiny than anyone else (not sure if he was speaking of family members or just everyone in general)
Said he would warn the community if he felt they were in danger from a serial-type criminal, and they don't feel this is the case right now.
Did not indicate that TH having a lawyer was a hinderance. Seemed very matter of fact about a person's right to a lawyer and that it just changes the way in which they can approach TH.


I'm not directly quoting anything. Just relaying what I can remember and my impression of it.

Oh, and reporters tried to ask him more questions off air and Lt. Mary Lindstrand stepped in a whisked him away. I like her style.

ETA:

Question was asked about cell phone pings: Declined to comment
Question was asked about Sauvie's Island searches: He was quick to point out that they have conducted searches in other areas besides Sauvie's Island, adding that all the reporters had seen the maps where they have searched.
Question about whether TH and Kyron were seen at the school Friday morning: Answer was yes.
Some questions were really hard to hear.

adh74
07-02-2010, 05:40 PM
maybe I have seen to many of these cases and LE speaking but before they wouldn't say if he was seen for sure at the school.

now he "was"

and was he seen leaving the school? no comment

I have a ding, ding, ding, ding, ding going on~

My dinger is going off too! I think they have an eyewitness that saw him leaving WITH TERRI.

Noway
07-02-2010, 05:41 PM
roseofsharon (or anyone who watched the presser)

Did law enforcement (Sheriff or spokesperson) actually say TH lied about her whereabouts the day K went missing [and they know that] due to cell phone ping?

The issue many have had with mention of the cell phone pings is that "we don't know that Terri even had a cell phone" and "it was the media reporting this, not law enforcement" ... so if it was a LE spokesperson or the Sheriff and he/she made the statement above, then I would say that we know Terri has a cell phone and we know the cell phone pings indicate she was not where she said she was.

pghbrandi
07-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Why do they hold these PC's and release relatively no information? What purpose does this serve and how on earth is it conducive to finding Kyron? It just seems like such a waste of valuable time to me and quite honestly, if it was my child who was missing I really wouldn't appreciate it very much. If they have nothing to say to the public that might help bring Kyron home then they need to just shut up and say nothing at all.

I think it might be just to keep Kyron's name out in the public. If they didn't hold a PC, we would all be complaining they never do. I agree, not much info, but it's better than nothing to keep Kyron's name out there.

ETA. Momtective, I meant NO disrespect towards you with this post at all. I enjoy your posts.

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:44 PM
[quote=cluciano63;5361249]My impression was he has to be careful now that T's lawyer is listening. I got the impression they are saying Kyron is alive only because not proved otherwise, not because of any info.[/quote

I can't for the life of me think why they just won't name her a POI or a suspect. I don't understand how that would damage the investigation at all. She can have her attorney there whether she is guilty or not now that she has one. Why won't they say it if that is what they think?

BetteDavisEyes
07-02-2010, 05:44 PM
If you ask me that was a whole lot a nothin about nothin. About the only thing that I gathered from this was the fact that there are 2700(?) leads and about 60% of them have been followed up on and that the DA's office has an investigator working also.

As always, A, you are always concise and right to the point :) That said, the only news emanating from the presser was that LE respects and desires the assistance of ALL media outlets. I'm editorializing here, but I think that this was meant as an admonition to Kaine Horman for excluding certain media sources from covering the case. jmo

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
Interesting he said they were reviewing video too. The context of the comment made me think he meant video from the school but I'd have to watch it again to be sure.

21merc7
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
I sure would like to know if Kyron was seen leaving. If so, what direction, any vehicle even if driver was not visible, or any person. I would also like to ask if KH has any friends in LE of any form.

So, Kyron was in school with Terri, we already know that. Tell us what we don't know.

grayjay
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
It seems to me that "no comment" is code, and generally affirmative that there is significant detail in the area of the question. Because of this, I was satisfied that a lot of information was given in an indirect way. It also looks like the press is on to this, and asks better questions so the "no comment" answer actually gives them information, albeit vague.

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
roseofsharon (or anyone who watched the presser)

Did law enforcement (Sheriff or spokesperson) actually say TH lied about her whereabouts the day K went missing [and they know that] due to cell phone ping?

The issue many have had with mention of the cell phone pings is that "we don't know that Terri even had a cell phone" and "it was the media reporting this, not law enforcement" ... so if it was a LE spokesperson or the Sheriff and he/she made the statement above, then I would say that we know Terri has a cell phone and we know the cell phone pings indicate she was not where she said she was.
No LE said they searched the island because of a tip received. LE has not mentioned cell phone pings (not LE actually involved at least)

Donjeta
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
I have sometimes wondered what the perps think when they hear the sheriff cite some outrageous sum of the taxpayers' money that they've spent trying to clean up the mess the perp left behind. Does it give them a sense of importance?

Noway
07-02-2010, 05:46 PM
Interesting he said they were reviewing video too. The context of the comment made me think he meant video from the school but I'd have to watch it again to be sure.

I don't think the school had surveillance. I wonder if this means videos filmed by parents attending the science fair?

Donjeta
07-02-2010, 05:47 PM
The surveillance footage that they asked for earlier?

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 05:48 PM
I don't think the school had surveillance. I wonder if this means videos filmed by parents attending the science fair?

Yeah that's what I was thinking because I believe he said it when talking about interviews with children and parents but I'm not sure.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 05:48 PM
They can't find Kyron. They say he's alive until they have reason to believe he's not - yet - they search in the rivers and all over Sauvie, obviously for a body, and tell everyone to check for Kyron on their property regularly.

They say Terri is cooperating, and they say she has been. However, they say Terri lied about where she was when she left school. (Sorry - How is THAT considered cooperating?)

Is Terri finally telling them where she was? Is Terri telling them where Kyron is? If she doesn't know, is she telling them who she thinks could have Kyron? (I mean it's been a month and if they have not accomplished these things with Terri, then WHY are they characterizing her as cooperating?)

Desiree urged Terri to cooperate yesterday. But, LE today says Terri is cooperating. (was that just because Terri got a lawyer and Desiree is nervous about that being the end of cooperation?)

With all this cooperating, why do they still need to run down 2500 leads and dig up Sauvie Island?

WHAT's GOING ON???? !!!!

C'mon peeps, we can figure this out! Can't we? :banghead: :banghead:

Amster
07-02-2010, 05:50 PM
Sadly, I don't think they will ever find him....

Ms Suzanne
07-02-2010, 05:50 PM
They were looking for a live little Haleigh too.This is so sad.Little Kyron is still not found.I'm going to take a long break after all this.It's just very hard to read all this and this little boy and others are still not found.I pray they find him soon.

grayjay
07-02-2010, 05:53 PM
I have sometimes wondered what the perps think when they hear the sheriff cite some outrageous sum of the taxpayers' money that they've spent trying to clean up the mess the perp left behind. Does it give them a sense of importance?
I thought about this, too, and wondered if it might make them realize how persistent LE is willing to be, the importance of the investigation, and maybe also how much they might have learned along the way.

JMO

RoughlyCollie
07-02-2010, 05:53 PM
I was hoping this unusual lawyer she hired would have her confess. He doesn't care if he has guilty clients. That might further the finding of Kyron, eh? It could be tho that his best interest now is in the SM and not the victim in the case. How seriously sad if true !

Terri's lawyer's duty is to Terri, only. He has to act in her best interest, no one else's. He won't urge her to confess unless it is in her best interest.

For him to do otherwise would be unethical.

If Terri tells him that she has hidden Kyron somewhere and that he is alive, that's another kettle of fish. Then he is privy to information about an ongoing crime in which the victim could be in serious danger of injury or death. At that point, the lawyer would have to decide whether he is ethically obligated to contact LE.

gliving
07-02-2010, 05:53 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html

Not a transcript, but a recap.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 05:54 PM
There is no reason to name her as a POI, as what difference does it make? They clearly do not have enough to arrest her. I think they are still indicating that she is, without having to take an official stance on it, in case they are wrong.

Also, what I read from what he says/does not say, that Terri is the likely the culprit, since he can't/won't go there, it leaves room for those wildly improbable theories floating around that Kyron is okay and someplace else, being help "captive"-I don't believe that at all, but since Gates can't just say no to those questions (because he can't prove it yet) he can't shoot down those theories in public either. (goes to the defense, if LE locked into one thing too early and only focused on Terri.) I think this is also why he is saying they are assuming Kyron is alive, so that they do not have to name this a murder investigation yet. All semantics, as usual, with same result, for me-they are looking at TH.

Cheewawa007
07-02-2010, 05:55 PM
BBM
Was that a finger pointing to TH or to TH and her associations, thus "family associations"? Or is TH the only "family association". :waitasec:

(Not sure, I'm not watching. Thanks to all for transcribing.)

Also, it seems that it's a specific Kyron incident, and not a general threat. threat to Kyron only - right?

The way it reads here - it looks like a big fat hint in there was dropped... this is about TH, associate of TH & family possibly, and a specific Kyron focused threat.

hmmmmmmm... did those who watched feel that LE was saying this investigation is focused like that?

Or did you interpret focus on TH only? TIA!

As my buddy ol' pal tarabull would say..... "I smell what you're stepping in", Emma.

Mylou
07-02-2010, 05:55 PM
There are no suspects, everyone is a person of interest.
SM and Kyron were at the school in the morning.
Places searched because of tips.
No reason to believe that Kyron is not alive. Continue to believe he is alive until something proves otherwise.
SM has been cooperating, nothing from investigators to assume otherwise.
SM has a lawyer, must respect that.
Continue looking for Kyron.
Thats what I got from it all.

cakegirl0905
07-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Sadly, I don't think they will ever find him....

There is a chance of that-but they found Caylee and I didn't think they would. They found Lacey and I didn't think they would. And Elizabeth Smart was even found alive.

So finding him isn't impossible. (Fingers crossed)

eyes4crime
07-02-2010, 05:57 PM
IMO nothing has changed regarding s-mom and Kyron being at the school.

Nothing has changed regarding s-mom being seen leaving the school - it's always been"no comment".

Nothing has changed regarding 'isolated incident' - the words 'no serial predator' are consistent with what was said in the beginning.

The 'no comment' has been used consistently throughout this investigation - its use is either to designate that they ...have no idea...or that the information is being...kept close to the vest. moo

What has changed: Terri is now represented by an excellent attorney and they can no longer walk up and ask her whatever they please.

Also changed is that Terri has been ostracized by Kyron's mom, dad, and step-dad. That makes it difficult to talk about the four of them as a group. I think Sheriff had a difficult time knowing how to properly address that issue.

I'm thinking that the focus on Kyron being alive is due to Terri having an attorney - can they still focus on her as a murderer without severe penalties from the defense? Focusing on an 'alive' Kyron is far less harsh of a subliminal message. all my opinion and that stuff.
I listened to part of the PC - thanks so much to those who transcribed. moo

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 05:57 PM
As always, A, you are always concise and right to the point :) That said, the only news emanating from the presser was that LE respects and desires the assistance of ALL media outlets. I'm editorializing here, but I think that this was meant as an admonition to Kaine Horman for excluding certain media sources from covering the case. jmo

As public servants, I think LE has to respect ALL media outlets.

I agree, after Kaine's cherry-picking who family will speak with yesterday, I don't blame LE for clarifying - (unsaid) that is the Family's thing - but LE's thing is we need and want all media on this.

Don't blame him for clarifying - and bet LE did "hear" about it. LOL. & IMO

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 05:58 PM
As my buddy ol' pal tarabull would say..... "I smell what you're stepping in", Emma.

rut-roh.

*emma checks bottoms of her shoes*

*emma wonders if her nose is stuffed*

:D

debirlfan
07-02-2010, 05:59 PM
ďUltimately, if we are unable to find Kyron, this could turn into a cold case,Ē Staton acknowledged in an exclusive interview with The Oregonian. ďAt some point Iím going to have to make a final decision that this has got to move in a different direction. But right now the way Iíve got it set up, and the way Iíve been working with investigations and the FBI, the other agencies, we will downscale appropriately based on their availability (and) the funding sources.Ē

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/sheriff_kyron_horman_search_at.html


I still wonder - could this essentially be a custody battle?

TH has raised this boy, and as a stay-at-home-mom, could well be closer to him than Kyron is to his father. However, as a step-parent, she has no legal standing - if she were to divorce, it's almost certain that either the father or the mother would get custody. If TH felt that a divorce was imminent, she might have taken Kyron and stashed him somewhere well out of the area, perhaps with a friend/boyfriend/family member. It's not impossible that Kyron might even have gone along with the plan willingly, if he were very close to her.

It would explain the statements about him being alive - and, to be honest, if this were the case, the police might be reluctant to spend a huge amount on a family kidnapping. The searches that have been conducted might be looking for evidence, rather than a body (which would further explain their reluctance to have outsider help with the search).

If this were the case, the police probably wouldn't want to admit it, as the public would be less inclined to help if they thought Kyron was safe and it was a family matter.

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 05:59 PM
Wait. Was this said at the presser or not?

No -- not said at presser, said on major news channel.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 06:01 PM
No LE said they searched the island because of a tip received. LE has not mentioned cell phone pings (not LE actually involved at least)

ooooohhhhhh. I misunderstood.

Quick Clarification Help?:

Did they say in the presser that Terri did not tell them the truth about where she'd gone after leaving school that day? Because it was written up here in this thread, so I thought that was in the presser.

TIA!!

scandi
07-02-2010, 06:03 PM
BBM
Was that a finger pointing to TH or to TH and her associations, thus "family associations"? Or is TH the only "family association". :waitasec:

(Not sure, I'm not watching. Thanks to all for transcribing.)

Also, it seems that it's a specific Kyron incident, and not a general threat. threat to Kyron only - right?

The way it reads here - it looks like a big fat hint in there was dropped... this is about TH, associate of TH & family possibly, and a specific Kyron focused threat.

hmmmmmmm... did those who watched feel that LE was saying this investigation is focused like that?

Or did you interpret focus on TH only? TIA!Just using that word 'association' was so telling to me !

carole
07-02-2010, 06:03 PM
ooooohhhhhh. I misunderstood.

Quick Clarification Help?:

Did they say in the presser that Terri did not tell them the truth about where she'd gone after leaving school that day? Because it was written up here in this thread, so I thought that was in the presser.

TIA!!

No, he did not say that.

eyes4crime
07-02-2010, 06:04 PM
ooooohhhhhh. I misunderstood.

Quick Clarification Help?:

Did they say in the presser that Terri did not tell them the truth about where she'd gone after leaving school that day? Because it was written up here in this thread, so I thought that was in the presser.

TIA!!

A thread was started with the words of - step-mom lied to investigators....bla bla bla...very misleading. Noone can say what she supposedly lied about. moo

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 06:04 PM
I think if it was a custody battle, Terri would have given in when Kaine took her baby...assuming Kyron was still OK. And I still do not believe for a second that she has anyone in her life (unknown to LE) that would do this for her.

I was wondering about that day...did she make a point of asking Kaine
to go to the bus stop with her? Like, almost insist on it? I wonder how that came about, if he looks back on it now and thinks it was strange...(I know they had told a tale about wanting to meet Kyron together for icr cream or something, but...just wondering how that really came down.)

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 06:05 PM
They can't find Kyron. They say he's alive until they have reason to believe he's not - yet - they search in the rivers and all over Sauvie, obviously for a body, and tell everyone to check for Kyron on their property regularly.

They say Terri is cooperating, and they say she has been. However, they say Terri lied about where she was when she left school. (Sorry - How is THAT considered cooperating?)

Is Terri finally telling them where she was? Is Terri telling them where Kyron is? If she doesn't know, is she telling them who she thinks could have Kyron? (I mean it's been a month and if they have not accomplished these things with Terri, then WHY are they characterizing her as cooperating?)

Desiree urged Terri to cooperate yesterday. But, LE today says Terri is cooperating. (was that just because Terri got a lawyer and Desiree is nervous about that being the end of cooperation?)

With all this cooperating, why do they still need to run down 2500 leads and dig up Sauvie Island?

WHAT's GOING ON???? !!!!

C'mon peeps, we can figure this out! Can't we? :banghead: :banghead:

Oh and major news channel also said TH wasn't cooperating.

That man on NG last night with the dogs said three dogs (I think 3) made a hit, so it makes you wonder why they haven't found anything on that island.

Lavender
07-02-2010, 06:06 PM
ooooohhhhhh. I misunderstood.

Quick Clarification Help?:

Did they say in the presser that Terri did not tell them the truth about where she'd gone after leaving school that day? Because it was written up here in this thread, so I thought that was in the presser.

TIA!!

No, Sheriff Staton didn't say that in the press conference. He didn't say TH didn't tell them the truth about where she had gone/had been, etc.

eyes4crime
07-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Just using that word 'association' was so telling to me !

Seems to me Sheriff has a difficult time with the word 'association'. Terri has been ostracized by mom, dad, and step-dad. Not sure he knows how to address that. moo

Donjeta
07-02-2010, 06:07 PM
So do we think that she got all this special attention because everything she said checks out?

CharlestonGal
07-02-2010, 06:08 PM
I am coming to the unhappy conclusion that LE doesn't know any more today than they did four weeks ago. I don't think they have some super duper secret investigation or strategy going on at all. I don't believe they know anything, frankly. Except that Kyron is not within the 2 mile radius of the school they searched for the first 10 days of this investigation. IIRC, in their words, they know where Kyron isn't.

I also think the only reason they think he's alive is that they haven't yet found him dead.

eyes4crime
07-02-2010, 06:09 PM
I think if it was a custody battle, Terri would have given in when Kaine took her baby...assuming Kyron was still OK. And I still do not believe for a second that she has anyone in her life (unknown to LE) that would do this for her.

I was wondering about that day...did she make a point of asking Kaine
to go to the bus stop with her? Like, almost insist on it? I wonder how that came about, if he looks back on it now and thinks it was strange...(I know they had told a tale about wanting to meet Kyron together for icr cream or something, but...just wondering how that really came down.)

The information about going for ice cream came right from dad, it was on a video. Kaine said he wanted to take the family for ice-cream to celebrate the success of Kyron's science project. moo

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 06:11 PM
I totally agree that LE is stumped...but only as to how to gain enough goods to make the arrest, not on the case itself. It's too bad, as they had a "free" month before Terri felt she had to get a lawyer and they were not able to get her to talk to them. Now, I don't think they ever will. I am feeling totally pessimistic about this case.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 06:12 PM
Here's what I don't get about all that Terri lied to investigators stuff.

We've had nothing in these LE pressers other that "Terri is cooperating with LE & the investigation... Terri has been cooperative ... no indication that Terri has not been cooperative..." ?????

Well ... if she failed her LDTs, if she lied about here whereabouts, if her cell pings tell a different story... (LE has not said these things - but these are the rumors that even some press has floating around...)

If those little rumors are so, then ... What the heck does "Terri has been cooperative with the investigation" mean ?

Or, can we just debunk all the rumors now.

hmmmmm....:waitasec:

And why doesn't the press ASK those rumor questions?? !!!

Do you think - perhaps - LE has had a little closed door "ground rules for press" meeting on its own? :yes:

RoughlyCollie
07-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I am coming to the unhappy conclusion that LE doesn't know any more today than they did four weeks ago. I don't think they have some super duper secret investigation or strategy going on at all. I don't believe they know anything, frankly. Except that Kyron is not within the 2 mile radius of the school they searched for the first 10 days of this investigation. IIRC, in their words, they know where Kyron isn't.

I also think the only reason they think he's alive is that they haven't yet found him dead.

I completely agree with you. I don't think they have any significant evidence of what happened to Kyron, but they have a pretty good idea of what did not happen.

When they are done checking out the remaining leads (plus new ones that come in), or they can no longer justify putting such a large percentage of their resources into this case, it will become cold. New crimes occur every day, and they have to focus their resources upon the ones they have a snowball's chance in h*ll of solving.

I think LE is desperately hoping for a confession from Terri. I don't think they will get it unless (1) she actually did the crime, AND (2) a confession benefits her in some way.

Donjeta
07-02-2010, 06:14 PM
IMO, sometimes cooperative seems to mean that a person is talking to LE, agreeing to be questioned and answering their questions, but it does not necessarily imply that the answers are truthful.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 06:16 PM
Seems to me Sheriff has a difficult time with the word 'association'. Terri has been ostracized by mom, dad, and step-dad. Not sure he knows how to address that. moo

grrrrrr...

It seems to me the Sherriff is also having a difficult time with the word "cooperating". Thinking of sending him a dictionary. :croc: LOL!

(j/k Sherrif, j/k) ;)

Ms Suzanne
07-02-2010, 06:16 PM
Quote
But as Kyronís disappearance hits the four-week anniversary and costs mount for the cash-strapped county, Staton could not say whether an arrest or resolution is coming any time soon -- nor how long the office can afford to sustain the effort.



This makes me very sad to read.I do not understand this.This is for a little boy that is missing and possible not alright.

CharlestonGal
07-02-2010, 06:17 PM
I totally agree that LE is stumped...but only as to how to gain enough goods to make the arrest, not on the case itself. It's too bad, as they had a "free" month before Terri felt she had to get a lawyer and they were not able to get her to talk to them. Now, I don't think they ever will. I am feeling totally pessimistic about this case.

I get that feeling, too. All they ever say is for US to keep our eyes open and for US to keep calling in tips. You know things are bad when all you have is the hope that some citizen will call in a tip that bails you out by handing you evidence on a silver platter. I'm not at all impressed.

Emma Peel
07-02-2010, 06:19 PM
IMO, sometimes cooperative seems to mean that a person is talking to LE, agreeing to be questioned and answering their questions, but it does not necessarily imply that the answers are truthful.

you could be right. but wow. if they KNOW she's been untruthful, if they KNOW that her story is just wrong - would they still characterize it as cooperating? I dunno. If so then...

I object.
That is a very overbroad definition of cooperating. IMO. :D

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 06:20 PM
Wondering how far in advance the children were allowed to set up their projects.

One pic with the science project shows KH wearing his glasses and in another pic he is not. Curious to know exactly how many pics TH took.

Also would like to know when the bell rang was KH the first to arrive at the classroom door -- could it be that no one was in the room when he got to the door -- other than a perp perhaps.

Just speculation -- moo.

eyes4crime
07-02-2010, 06:20 PM
grrrrrr...

It seems to me the Sherriff is also having a difficult time with the word "cooperating". Thinking of sending him a dictionary. :croc: LOL!

(j/k Sherrif, j/k) ;)

I think s-mom is cooperating, probably more than most. She supposedly took two lie detector tests, was interrogated without an attorney present, allowed the home and grounds to be searched, gave up the truck to be searched. I think she has been more than cooperative - what the findings/outcome of all that cooperation might be, I have no idea. moo

ETA: Terri went almost a month before getting herself an attorney - that's pretty darn cooperative. moo

Cheewawa007
07-02-2010, 06:21 PM
The comment from Mom yesterday that he is alive... the letter Mom left in an envelope in front of the school for Kyron... the new info on Kyron's birthmark, etc... the sudden divorce... could it be that someone associated with step mom isn't wrapped too tight and took this precious boy & is keeping him to get back at step mom for whatever reason? The cell phone ping thing has not been confirmed, as well as the fact step mom lied about where she was at a certain time. The searching of the water I can't stick in this theory because it doesn't fit; unless the abductor threatened to kill Kyron and place him in that area. This is beyond bizarre...

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 06:22 PM
I agree with MK that if it was a perp, there was a very small window of opportunity and only one road in and one road out to and from the school.

CaringCitizen
07-02-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't think the school had surveillance. I wonder if this means videos filmed by parents attending the science fair?

I'm thinking yes, probably personal videos shot at the Science Fair as well as possible video sent in from areas LE sought videos from. This is going to be one interesting trial, when the case finally gets to that point. I just hope enough evidence comes together (circumstantial and otherwise) where justice gets served in the end.

CharlestonGal
07-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Here's what I don't get about all that Terri lied to investigators stuff.

We've had nothing in these LE pressers other that "Terri is cooperating with LE & the investigation... Terri has been cooperative ... no indication that Terri has not been cooperative..." ?????

Well ... if she failed her LDTs, if she lied about here whereabouts, if her cell pings tell a different story... (LE has not said these things - but these are the rumors that even some press has floating around...)

If those little rumors are so, then ... What the heck does "Terri has been cooperative with the investigation" mean ?

Or, can we just debunk all the rumors now.

hmmmmm....:waitasec:

And why doesn't the press ASK those rumor questions?? !!!

Do you think - perhaps - LE has had a little closed door "ground rules for press" meeting on its own? :yes:

Being cooperative and being truthful are not the same thing. LE has never said Terri is cooperating and being truthful. She meets when they want to meet, she answers the questions they ask, she allows them to search her house and car. She does everything they ask her to do, so they have no grounds at all to say she is not cooperating. She is. She might be lying through her teeth at the same time, but, "Is TH being truthful?" is a very different question from, "Is TH cooperating with the investigation?"

Reporters need to ask better questions. Of course, if they asked if TH was being truthful with investigators they'd get a response of "No comment" or "TH is cooperating."

RoughlyCollie
07-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I agree with MK that if it was a perp, there was a very small window of opportunity and only one road in and one road out to and from the school.

What about that access road? Does that count as a second road in?

Kitkat
07-02-2010, 06:28 PM
[quote=cluciano63;5361249]My impression was he has to be careful now that T's lawyer is listening. I got the impression thPey are saying Kyron is alive only because not proved otherwise, not because of any info.[/quote

I can't for the life of me think why they just won't name her a POI or a suspect. I don't understand how that would damage the investigation at all. She can have her attorney there whether she is guilty or not now that she has one. Why won't they say it if that is what they think?

It may be strategy related... to increase pressure on TMH and get as much from her (via push from friends/family) and from the community before an arrest.

To me it sounds as if LE may know she left with Kyron, and LE suspects Kyron is deceased but want to maintain a neutral and hopeful facade--> This could place pressure on TMH for so many reasons: her baby daughter is now gone, her trusted friends will continue to question/push her due to what they hear from community/media vs. what they hear from her, and perhaps all of it will work at her (ahem) "conscience."

I'm not ruling out TMH working with an accomplice, tho'... that's my 2nd thought as stranger abduction was almost clearly ruled out today.

Etilema
07-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Here's what I don't get about all that Terri lied to investigators stuff.

We've had nothing in these LE pressers other that "Terri is cooperating with LE & the investigation... Terri has been cooperative ... no indication that Terri has not been cooperative..." ?????

Well ... if she failed her LDTs, if she lied about here whereabouts, if her cell pings tell a different story... (LE has not said these things - but these are the rumors that even some press has floating around...)

Yes, these same things have been bothering me. While I agree that "cooperating" is subject to interpretation, let's not forget that there's no law saying that LE must tell the truth the public, when it might compromise an investigation. The clearest case of LE straight out lying in order to lead suspects into their hands was the balloon boy case. They stood before the media and claimed to believe the stories that the family was telling, while all along they suspected it was a planned hoax and were just waiting to get evidence. After the fact, they explained that those statements were part of their plan to win the trust of the Heene's.

CharlestonGal
07-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Wondering how far in advance the children were allowed to set up their projects.

One pic with the science project shows KH wearing his glasses and in another pic he is not. Curious to know exactly how many pics TH took.

Also would like to know when the bell rang was KH the first to arrive at the classroom door -- could it be that no one was in the room when he got to the door -- other than a perp perhaps.

Just speculation -- moo.

Here's the Science Fair thread. The answer might be there.

The Science Fair-IB Expo and the Electric Project - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

PortlandMama
07-02-2010, 06:31 PM
I agree with MK that if it was a perp, there was a very small window of opportunity and only one road in and one road out to and from the school.

Is that what NG said? Because I wouldn't agree with that characterization, unless she's referring to the parking lot access road itself. The school sits on a major road, not a dead-end street, and it's near a major intersection. Yes, it's ruralish, but both Skyline and Corn Pass are major thruways in that area.

Kitkat
07-02-2010, 06:32 PM
There is no reason to name her as a POI, as what difference does it make? They clearly do not have enough to arrest her. I think they are still indicating that she is, without having to take an official stance on it, in case they are wrong.

Also, what I read from what he says/does not say, that Terri is the likely the culprit, since he can't/won't go there, it leaves room for those wildly improbable theories floating around that Kyron is okay and someplace else, being help "captive"-I don't believe that at all, but since Gates can't just say no to those questions (because he can't prove it yet) he can't shoot down those theories in public either. (goes to the defense, if LE locked into one thing too early and only focused on Terri.) I think this is also why he is saying they are assuming Kyron is alive, so that they do not have to name this a murder investigation yet. All semantics, as usual, with same result, for me-they are looking at TH.

*bump*

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 06:33 PM
LE can't very well say she has been uncooperative; that would mean she refused to talk to them. And her lawyer will say she has told you all she knows, she spoke to you for x # of hours, took LD's, etc...so it would be hard to say no, but also hard to say yes, for Gates. If he knows she has been lying all along.

I'm just more sad than mad now. I am sad because as one poster said, unless she confesses, I think this case is already cold. What tip could come in that would help prove her guilt? I suppose someone could have seen her that has not yet called but it seems unlikely.

If she was seen leaving with him (IF) and if she lied about her whereabouts (IF)...that could be enough for a very weak case, IF they also had Kyron's body. But without? I doubt it.

CaringCitizen
07-02-2010, 06:33 PM
...Also would like to know when the bell rang was KH the first to arrive at the classroom door -- could it be that no one was in the room when he got to the door -- other than a perp perhaps.

Just speculation -- moo.

The kids were supposed to be getting into seats starting at 8:35am and then final bell rings at 8:45am. You are late if not in your seat by then.

Hence, I have always wondered why Terri, who, as a volunteer there and knew exact times, wouldn't send him to his room until the last minute. Why would she practically make him late when they had supposedly been there since 8am together? It's always seemed deliberate to me - to choose a time when fewer people would you see you leave.

21merc7
07-02-2010, 06:35 PM
I still want to know if KH or any family members, including Desiree and StepDad, are friends with anyone in any capacity of LE there. Anyone know?

grayjay
07-02-2010, 06:37 PM
He said that they have gotten as far with the case already in 4 weeks as they normally do in 6 weeks or two months. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but to me it does seem important, and is news.

CaringCitizen
07-02-2010, 06:39 PM
Is that what NG said? Because I wouldn't agree with that characterization, unless she's referring to the parking lot access road itself. The school sits on a major road, not a dead-end street, and it's near a major intersection. Yes, it's ruralish, but both Skyline and Corn Pass are major thruways in that area.

The school property itself only has one way in and that 'way in' is the same as the 'way out'. I posted a photo of this a week or two ago.

There is but one driveway where buses and cars come in and out. When I watched Nancy and she said one way in and one way out - I actually wished she had clarified that it's even the case that the one-way is shared!!

Some probably thought it was a circular drive type scenario that so many schools have so that exit is not same as entrance. Not the case at Skyline.

PortlandMama
07-02-2010, 06:40 PM
He said that they have gotten as far with the case already in 4 weeks as they normally do in 6 weeks or two months. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but to me it does seem important, and is news.

That struck me, too. By what measure? I wonder if he possibly is measuring in dollars spent? :waitasec:

CharlestonGal
07-02-2010, 06:40 PM
LE can't very well say she has been uncooperative; that would mean she refused to talk to them. And her lawyer will say she has told you all she knows, she spoke to you for x # of hours, took LD's, etc...so it would be hard to say no, but also hard to say yes, for Gates. If he knows she has been lying all along.

I'm just more sad than mad now. I am sad because as one poster said, unless she confesses, I think this case is already cold. What tip could come in that would help prove her guilt? I suppose someone could have seen her that has not yet called but it seems unlikely.

If she was seen leaving with him (IF) and if she lied about her whereabouts (IF)...that could be enough for a very weak case, IF they also had Kyron's body. But without? I doubt it.

It's quite the quandry, isn't it? Without a body a defense attorney can plant massive doubt that a murder even occured. If you manage to get past that, then what? The prosecutor can't just theorize that since TH lied about her whereabouts (if she did) that morning, she must have committed murder. That will never work in a million years unless you have some evidence to show that (1) Kyron is dead and (2) physical evidence that links TH to the body or crime scene. With no body, no crime scene, no physical evidence, no witnesses, what is a jury supposed to do? Liar does not = killer in a court of law.

scandi
07-02-2010, 06:44 PM
The kids were supposed to be getting into seats starting at 8:35am and then final bell rings at 8:45am. You are late if not in your seat by then.

Hence, I have always wondered why Terri, who, as a volunteer there and knew exact times, wouldn't send him to his room until the last minute. Why would she practically make him late when they had supposedly been there since 8am together? It's always seemed deliberate to me - to choose a time when fewer people would you see you leave.

I don't think so on June 4th CaringCitizen. The Science Fair ran from 8 to 10am as noted on the lawn sign one of our local posters looked at.

Also, Kohr Harlan the KOIN TV reporter said that it was about 10am when the sub noticed there were only 5 students for her group and Mrs Porter commented about that and then left the room. I'd have to go back and get his exact words on that video, but made a mental note of it as I thought it was around 9am as well. xox

PortlandMama
07-02-2010, 06:44 PM
The school property itself only has one way in and that 'way in' is the same as the 'way out'. I posted a photo of this a week or two ago.

There is but one driveway where buses and cars come in and out. When I watched Nancy and she said one way in and one way out - I actually wished she had clarified that it's even the case that the one-way is shared!!

Some probably thought it was a circular drive type scenario that so many schools have so that exit is not same as entrance. Not the case at Skyline.

Yes, that's helpful to clarify she's referring to the parking lot, not to Skyline Blvd. My daughter's school (also in PDX) is actually on a dead-end street, so in addition to the multiple parking areas there is literally only one way in and out when on the public right of way. The reason I think it's good to clarify is because the entrance to the parking lot and the school's billboard advertising the IB Inquiry Expo are on Skyline Blvd itself.

scandi
07-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Do we have any news on the Hearing today set for 2:30?

I did notice the Presser was set in a courtroom or maybe a conference room downtown Portland. There were brass letters MULTNOMAH on the wall to the right of the podium where the Sheriff stood. He must have been there as he maybe attended the Hearing. IMO

Cheewawa007
07-02-2010, 06:52 PM
Yes, that's helpful to clarify she's referring to the parking lot, not to Skyline Blvd. My daughter's school (also in PDX) is actually on a dead-end street, so in addition to the multiple parking areas there is literally only one way in and out when on the public right of way. The reason I think it's good to clarify is because the entrance to the parking lot and the school's billboard advertising the IB Inquiry Expo are on Skyline Blvd itself.

Could one walk through the woods from the school to a busy road easily?

CaringCitizen
07-02-2010, 06:53 PM
I don't think so on June 4th CaringCitizen. The Science Fair ran from 8 to 10am as noted on the lawn sign one of our local posters looked at.

Also, Kohr Harlan the KOIN TV reporter said that it was about 10am when the sub noticed there were only 5 students for her group and Mrs Porter commented about that and then left the room. I'd have to go back and get his exact words on that video, but made a mental note of it as I thought it was around 9am as well. xox

Let's do some research on it because I think that even though the SF was 8-10am, it was still normal 'butts in seats' at 8:45 and the remaining SF time was with the classroom (as opposed to parents and their kids at the earlier time). This is how I remember it but we should search it. Thanks for pointing it out, Scandi!

roseofsharon
07-02-2010, 06:57 PM
What about that access road? Does that count as a second road in?

I'm not sure about that -- I just heard MK say this on NG.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 07:01 PM
What Mk was mostly trying to say, without say it (like Gates) is that we are talking a matter of seconds and the notion that someone else swooped down on him in that hallway is...well, rather far-fetched. That was the point I got out of it.

BetteDavisEyes
07-02-2010, 07:03 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking because I believe he said it when talking about interviews with children and parents but I'm not sure.

LE might be referring to the plethora of video that is now available since the biological parents spoke last Friday, June 25. These video interviews can be analyzed by professionals for content, body language, voice analysis, etc. There is likely a lot to be gleaned from watching/listening to Kyron's parents speak about their missing child. jmo

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 07:07 PM
Oh boy, she is on JVM now and no punches being pulled about Terry...although Rita Cosby adds her own spin tonight...and some embellishment...

scandi
07-02-2010, 07:07 PM
Let's do some research on it because I think that even though the SF was 8-10am, it was still normal 'butts in seats' at 8:45 and the remaining SF time was with the classroom (as opposed to parents and their kids at the earlier time). This is how I remember it but we should search it. Thanks for pointing it out, Scandi!

I know where the video is but it doesn't have an individual link and I'd get a row of xxxxx's. LOL

Kgeaux found a link to it and will ask if he can bring it here. Kohr Harlan is a very well respected.



OMG, RITA COSBY is a commenter on Jane's show. Long time no see! :woohoo:

adh74
07-02-2010, 07:10 PM
If LE's search of SI is based on a tip....they sure have spent a LOT of time and money on that one tip! It must be an awfully darn credible/juicy tip for them to put so much time/effort/money in that one location (which has turned up NOTHING, apparently).

scandi
07-02-2010, 07:11 PM
Could one walk through the woods from the school to a busy road easily?
Hi Cheewawa, I don't think so.

The school sits back off the road a bit, true. But the woods are back behind the school quite a ways. And beyond those woods are more woods and cravases with up to a 300' drop. If one walked back to the woods they'd have to walk allot further to get out on either of the 2 major roads IMO

scandi
07-02-2010, 07:14 PM
If LE's search of SI is based on a tip....they sure have spent a LOT of time and money on that one tip! It must be an awfully darn credible/juicy tip for them to put so much time/effort/money in that one location (which has turned up NOTHING, apparently).

I agree it must have been a HELLO tip for LE. And it could be, just speculating here, that it was in relation to an association someone in the family had with someone living on SI. There are connections or friendships I do believe. IMO

RandomThoughts
07-02-2010, 07:17 PM
There are no suspects, everyone is a person of interest.
SM and Kyron were at the school in the morning.
Places searched because of tips.
No reason to believe that Kyron is not alive. Continue to believe he is alive until something proves otherwise.
SM has been cooperating, nothing from investigators to assume otherwise.
SM has a lawyer, must respect that.
Continue looking for Kyron.
Thats what I got from it all.

BBM

They also didn't say if anyone has been ruled out, which has made me start thinking of really far fetched ideas of which I can't comment on.

Day Dreamer
07-02-2010, 07:18 PM
Has anyone thought that maybe LE pointed out how much they have spent on the investigation so far as a way of putting a guilt trip on someone? ie. If this is a hoax or custody issue.

ETA: Or if a ransom (fake or not) was ever received?

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 07:31 PM
I think if it was a custody battle, Terri would have given in when Kaine took her baby...assuming Kyron was still OK. And I still do not believe for a second that she has anyone in her life (unknown to LE) that would do this for her.

I was wondering about that day...did she make a point of asking Kaine
to go to the bus stop with her? Like, almost insist on it? I wonder how that came about, if he looks back on it now and thinks it was strange...(I know they had told a tale about wanting to meet Kyron together for icr cream or something, but...just wondering how that really came down.)


Hmmm now there's a thought....what if she did hide him from dad because of imminent divorce (maybe SHE was planning to leave him) and dad took baby and filed divorce and RO to force her to give him back...he would have to file DV to get a temp RO and keep baby from her. She nows hires attorney to clear herself because LE won't/can't so she can get baby back with no need to turn over Kyron because they have nothing other than proximity that points to her....Hmmmm brainstorming some more and my head hurts as bad as my heart....

TxLady2
07-02-2010, 07:34 PM
If you ask me that was a whole lot a nothin about nothin. About the only thing that I gathered from this was the fact that there are 2700(?) leads and about 60% of them have been followed up on and that the DA's office has an investigator working also.

As far as the budget issues go, I could care less about. There should be no price tag put on any child's head that goes missing. If you spend $1 million a day then so be it, you do whatever you have to do to find that child and bring him/her home.

But I doubt that they have a million to spend on it. And they can't spend their entire budget on ONE case, when there are other cases they have to handle as well.
They operate on a budget just like anyone else does. When the funds run out, what then?

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 07:37 PM
LE might be referring to the plethora of video that is now available since the biological parents spoke last Friday, June 25. These video interviews can be analyzed by professionals for content, body language, voice analysis, etc. There is likely a lot to be gleaned from watching/listening to Kyron's parents speak about their missing child. jmo


I thought they were talking about videos from the areas that they specifically asked for the 2nd week in. Along the different roads leading somewhat south where they may have been trying to find a particular vehicle at certain times (such as a white ford truck running errands)

Lavender
07-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Has anyone thought that maybe LE pointed out how much they have spent on the investigation so far as a way of putting a guilt trip on someone? ie. If this is a hoax or custody issue.

ETA: Or if a ransom (fake or not) was ever received?

Yes, that did cross my mind for a bit. Then it also crossed my mind that if someone has Kyron and they are thinking of returning him, it might push them into a desperate act if they fear they'll be financially liable to reimburse the county if caught. So I'm thinking such a tactic, if it was one, would be risky unless they knew precisely who they were dealing with.

I have a lot of these "but wait, what if..." conversations in my head, constantly arguing both sides. It's like my mind has been infiltrated and commandeered by a debate team.

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 07:40 PM
Wondering how far in advance the children were allowed to set up their projects.

One pic with the science project shows KH wearing his glasses and in another pic he is not. Curious to know exactly how many pics TH took.

Also would like to know when the bell rang was KH the first to arrive at the classroom door -- could it be that no one was in the room when he got to the door -- other than a perp perhaps.

Just speculation -- moo.


LE photoshopped the glasses out.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 07:43 PM
Who, on God's green earth, is going to hide a child for a month for anyone, when the FBI and multiple police agencies are looking for him? This is beyond outlandish to me, it is impossible. The potential for charges to escalate with each passing day, etc...no way, I don't buy it. And if there WERE such a person, it would have to be a person very close to TH, and you can't tell me FBI could not have uncovered this person and their location by now. I just don't think there is an ounce of possibility in this theory.

I have been posting way too much today...this case does this to me...

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 07:44 PM
I have a lot of these "but wait, what if..." conversations in my head, constantly arguing both sides. It's like my mind has been infiltrated and commandeered by a debate team.


YESSS!!! I have been trying to prove her guilty, but she just keeps being innocent until I can prove her guilty because ....well just because I can't prove her guilty and no one else has yet either.

BeanE
07-02-2010, 07:50 PM
Raw Press Conference Video from KGW:

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97702674&sec=547977

BetteDavisEyes
07-02-2010, 07:53 PM
I thought they were talking about videos from the areas that they specifically asked for the 2nd week in. Along the different roads leading somewhat south where they may have been trying to find a particular vehicle at certain times (such as a white ford truck running errands)

It's possible, if not likely that LE is looking at surveillance video from all over the Portland area. That said, any and all video of Kyron's family is subject to evaluation by LE authorities. Until last Friday when the biological parents were interviewed by mulitiple news sources, there was very little video available of these people who are intimately involved with the missing boy because the immediate family did not want to speak with media. Experts will review all of the interviews and will glean insight into these individuals as well as the family dynamics. jmo

mysticrose
07-02-2010, 07:55 PM
All I can say is I am highly disappointed in how this case is being handled, especially the sense to "control" the media from the family and LE .... It reminds me of Haleigh's Cummings case and well...we all know how far we are there, well at least most of us do.

I am just not happy about it at all, I almost feel a sense of doom , like all this hand picking of info is not going to help bring Kyron home, but heck what do I know ?

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 08:13 PM
It will surely go cold, if nothing happens in a few weeks, at best, to enable LE to make an arrest. Memories are not going to improve over time. I think LE really wants to make an arrest before school starts, in order to let the school "off the hook" so to speak, but I just don't think they are going to be able to do so, without a confession or Kyron's body being found. One of those two things has to happen and both seem to be less and less likely...
And they won't be able to justify pouring money into an investigation that probably has a "suspect" but no way to charge the person.

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 08:13 PM
Raw Press Conference Video from KGW:

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97702674&sec=547977

Things I missed the first time or I think are interesting...

At the beginning the Sheriff calls it "the investigation against Kyron Holmes".

"The bulk of the information that we've obtained in the course of this investigation is going to come from the family solely based on what we have and how this has transpired since the date this took place". Goes on to mention canvasses, interviews and "videos we've seized". Says she is not getting more scrutiny than other family members.

Can't comment on whether anyone saw TH leave the school.

You can see him thinking before he says he can't comment on the cellphone pings.

When saying there is no danger from a serial predator he says, "We have a situation, and it's an incident and we need to take care of this under the investigative means we are working under".

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 08:13 PM
Who, on God's green earth, is going to hide a child for a month for anyone, when the FBI and multiple police agencies are looking for him? This is beyond outlandish to me, it is impossible. The potential for charges to escalate with each passing day, etc...no way, I don't buy it. And if there WERE such a person, it would have to be a person very close to TH, and you can't tell me FBI could not have uncovered this person and their location by now. I just don't think there is an ounce of possibility in this theory.

I have been posting way too much today...this case does this to me...


I apologize for upsetting you. I was just taking one of your thoughts and running with it without thinking it through. I don't know anyone who would take a child and hide him. I don't know any step mom's who are going to kill their child either. Especially after raising them for at least 5 yrs. Seems like there would have been a younger age that would have been easier to murder him or an easier way to make him disappear at the age he is. I also don't think she had enough time to hide him this well. She didn't know the school would allow her so much time.

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 08:21 PM
I wonder if they have video of TH that contradicts her story but does not show her with Kyron. Maybe they think it's from after she did whatever they think she did with him.

cluciano63
07-02-2010, 08:23 PM
I apologize for upsetting you. I was just taking one of your thoughts and running with it without thinking it through. I don't know anyone who would take a child and hide him. I don't know any step mom's who are going to kill their child either. Especially after raising them for at least 5 yrs. Seems like there would have been a younger age that would have been easier to murder him or an easier way to make him disappear at the age he is. I also don't think she had enough time to hide him this well. She didn't know the school would allow her so much time.

I didn't mean this to be a response to your suggestion. I have seen this theory everywhere and I know it one that allows hope so I don't blame anyone for thinking it. I was just kind of thinking aloud as well...WHO would do this for ANYONE? That would have to allow for two psychos instead of only one, which is hard enough to believe...I really did not mean to dimiss your theory. I apologize that it came across that way.:(

Etilema
07-02-2010, 08:30 PM
Who, on God's green earth, is going to hide a child for a month for anyone, when the FBI and multiple police agencies are looking for him? This is beyond outlandish to me, it is impossible. The potential for charges to escalate with each passing day, etc...no way, I don't buy it. And if there WERE such a person, it would have to be a person very close to TH, and you can't tell me FBI could not have uncovered this person and their location by now. I just don't think there is an ounce of possibility in this theory.

Plus, the way DY is talking, they don't seem to be operating under that scenario, at least not exclusively. She mentioned looking for him pretty much anywhere and everywhere, inlcuding on one's own property!

That last makes me wonder if they are suspecting the scenario that has been mentioned here by some posters, of TH (or an accomplice) simply turning him loose somewhere, possibly without glasses, and letting him wander.

Yet DY's saying to look for him in normal places, as well, (during daily activities) suggests that he might be under someone's care, who is taking him out and about. (Which seems odd in itself. If anyone is holding him captive, I would certainly not expect them to take him out in public!)

Chili Fries
07-02-2010, 08:34 PM
I think it's pretty obvious they started out under the theory that Kyron wandered away from the school. Four days after he disappeared, Capt. Gates said (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_be.html) he hoped it would be "wrapped up by the end of the week". At that time he said there was no evidence of a crime. He also said that other children were not at risk, like they are saying now, but I think it may have been because at the time they thought Kyron was lost. Now they seem to be saying it for a very different, criminally related reason (that someone Kyron knows is responsible for his disappearance).

All of this says to me that LE got what they believe is very compelling evidence along the way which made them focus on TH. The search and rescue efforts were called off very abruptly, it was deemed a criminal investigation and they started searching the Sauvie Island area.

nomoresorrow
07-02-2010, 08:55 PM
(BBM)

But I doubt that they have a million to spend on it. And they can't spend their entire budget on ONE case, when there are other cases they have to handle as well.
They operate on a budget just like anyone else does. When the funds run out, what then?

Not directed at you TxLady;
(Re:BBM Above)

Guess they could ask for/accept donations - perhaps the donations that people, including myself, wanted to generously give to Kyron's reward fund initially... :waitasec: Just a thought ~

Jaxson
07-02-2010, 09:00 PM
I think it's pretty obvious they started out under the theory that Kyron wandered away from the school. Four days after he disappeared, Capt. Gates said (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_be.html) he hoped it would be "wrapped up by the end of the week". At that time he said there was no evidence of a crime. He also said that other children were not at risk, like they are saying now, but I think it may have been because at the time they thought Kyron was lost. Now they seem to be saying it for a very different, criminally related reason (that someone Kyron knows is responsible for his disappearance).

All of this says to me that LE got what they believe is very compelling evidence along the way which made them focus on TH. The search and rescue efforts were called off very abruptly, it was deemed a criminal investigation and they started searching the Sauvie Island area.

I am not sure they stopped searching abruptly. I know it was reported by some of the Sar people that areas were searched and re-searched so it may have just appeared abrupt. They did state they had a tip that led them to SI which is makes me feel that;
1. They thought he simply wandered off, no evidence of a crime
2. They searched for him for many days in the area of the school even after they had started looking at the island.
3. They received a tip that they took VERY seriously judging from the amount of effort put in to the search of the island and surrounding waters.
4. They have found no evidence of Kyron anywhere. Criminal or otherwise but have pretty much ruled out 'otherwise' so are left with criminal.
5. They refocused on Terri's story and asked for videos from businesses along certain paths she may have taken.
6. They questioned her and did poly's
7. It was easier to confirm alibi's for the other 3 parents because they were in specific places at specific times.
8. Terri was all over the place, checking her route and story is taking a lot more time and they can't/won't call her a POI because they have not discounted her story yet.
9. The poly's she took were inconclusive which really means squat because if she is taking any meds it will affect it anyway and they are pretty unreliable in the first place. We have someone here who has admitted that she 'failed' when asked her name and birth date. Terri is under tremendous stress right now.
10. LE can't clear Terri until they are through reviewing video.
11. Terri has tired of the speculation and with losing her husband and daughter, has hired an attorney possibly to clear her name because she is tired of waiting for LE to do it and wants her daughter back.

DollyPardonMe
07-02-2010, 09:23 PM
Who, on God's green earth, is going to hide a child for a month for anyone, when the FBI and multiple police agencies are looking for him? This is beyond outlandish to me, it is impossible. The potential for charges to escalate with each passing day, etc...no way, I don't buy it. And if there WERE such a person, it would have to be a person very close to TH, and you can't tell me FBI could not have uncovered this person and their location by now. I just don't think there is an ounce of possibility in this theory.

I have been posting way too much today...this case does this to me...

Nancy Garrido helped her husband, Phillip (ugh) hide Jaycee for 18 years..It happens!

CaringCitizen
07-02-2010, 09:39 PM
I know where the video is but it doesn't have an individual link and I'd get a row of xxxxx's. LOL

Kgeaux found a link to it and will ask if he can bring it here. Kohr Harlan is a very well respected.

OMG, RITA COSBY is a commenter on Jane's show. Long time no see! :woohoo:

Just finished watching my recording of Jane's show...agree, Rita Cosby is awesome. She is incredibly articulate. It was wonderful hearing the story of her dad, the quiet hero. Happy 4th of July weekend, everyone!

Thanks Scandi and Kgeux - curious to read up on this timing detail again. I looked for some old articles and posts but many of the articles weren't preserved and I have to comb through a lot more old threads to find where there was a lot discussion on the Science Fair timing and tardy bell.

gamma
07-02-2010, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=debirlfan;5361346]I still wonder - could this essentially be a custody battle?

TH has raised this boy, and as a stay-at-home-mom, could well be closer to him than Kyron is to his father. However, as a step-parent, she has no legal standing - if she were to divorce, it's almost certain that either the father or the mother would get custody. If TH felt that a divorce was imminent, she might have taken Kyron and stashed him somewhere well out of the area, perhaps with a friend/boyfriend/family member. It's not impossible that Kyron might even have gone along with the plan willingly, if he were very close to her.

This is my first time posting. The time line on June 4, 2010, 8:45am until 3:45pm would allow someone 7 hours to travel quite a distance. It was posted (couldn't find the link) that an airport is only 15 minutes away; however, there hasn't been any reports of passenger lists being checked for an adult travelling with a 7 year old boy. It seems the focus of this investigation is just too narrow right from the beginning. moo

nursebeeme
07-02-2010, 09:58 PM
before I go to bed I will again post that LE, when asked if they had any witnesses of him leaving the school they said: NO COMMENT.

this sticks in my mind.

passionflower
07-02-2010, 10:14 PM
Do we know how long TH was gone that morning?
Hours?
Where did she claim to be?
Hubby was off work that day
Who had baby girl?

Day Dreamer
07-02-2010, 10:19 PM
I apologize for upsetting you. I was just taking one of your thoughts and running with it without thinking it through. I don't know anyone who would take a child and hide him. I don't know any step mom's who are going to kill their child either. Especially after raising them for at least 5 yrs. Seems like there would have been a younger age that would have been easier to murder him or an easier way to make him disappear at the age he is. I also don't think she had enough time to hide him this well. She didn't know the school would allow her so much time.

I really do not think it is too far fetched to think that someone could be hiding Kyron. Seriously, we have no information. We also believed Shaun Hornbeck, Jaycee Duggar & Elizabeth Smart were all dead, yet they were hiding in plain sight.

There are so many possibilities and so little information that we can not rule anything out at this point. :waitasec:

Who would hold a child like this for so long w/ such national media coverage? Well, in this day and time, we might all be shocked to find out how many people really would do something like this if they felt justified (such as abuse) ... and that does not include the wackos and sex offenders.

passionflower
07-02-2010, 10:22 PM
Maybe Kyron was seen leaving with someone else close to the family or Terri???
so LE won't comment til they have proof??