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TakingALook
02-24-2011, 05:30 PM
According to FB's page; http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates?sk=wall there's a hearing tomorrow morning at 8:45a in the case regarding two motions for defense funding
TakingALook
02-24-2011, 06:45 PM
For those who haven't seen this:
Local 6 Uncovers New Info In Casey Anthony Case
Investigative Reporter Tony Pipitone To Offer Exclusive Report
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/26980723/detail.html
And if you want to watch it go to this link (EASTERN TIME)
Here is the link to watch the Local 6 Newscasts livestream at 11:00pm EST:
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/14013179/index.html (http://www.clickorlando.com/video/14013179/index.html)
FifthEssence
02-24-2011, 07:08 PM
According to FB's page; http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates?sk=wall there's a hearing tomorrow morning at 8:45a in the case regarding two motions for defense funding
Am thinking it has to do with the JAC.
Copied from myorangeclerk.com
02/22/2011 Motion
for Additional Costs Related to the Engagement of a Confidential Mental Health Expert to Assist in Exploring Mitigating Factors (Penalty Phase)
02/24/2011 Motion
to Approve Hourly Rate and/or Costs for Video Conferencing
02/24/2011 Justice Administrative Commission's Response
to Defendant's Motion for Transcription Services and Request to Participate Telephonically
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Feb22DemandforPsych001.jpg
One can't help but notice that not only does this latest defense request form a BOWL formation but that all planets are in the Western Hemisphere of the chart. Defense can therefore be described as self-contained and cut off from a whole half of human experience but also extremely subjective in attitude and approach. The Team is under great difficulty and strain when the push comes to make decisions. Finally, they also know the great weight of the evidence and forward movement in the case is against them~all over on the other side, that of the prosecution.
Fallen, weak and badly situated (Moon in Scorpio, ruler), The Team still sees an opportunity in one of their expert witnesses to triumph. This professional deals with autopsies and pathology, Pluto ruling the deceased child of House 5 but in the Sign of House 7 yet in House 6, is one whose testimony is "paid for" and lacks integrity because it comes down against public good, violates public weal. The Team banks on him or her being convincing, nonetheless.
Judge Perry issued an order on the night of February 25, addressing Jose Baez. He is to show cause why he should not be held in contempt of court for failing to supply the expert testimony to Jeffrey Ashton on time. He did not meet the deadline as was made clear in Ashton's motion seeking contempt charges.
Chart #504 reflects the Houses and planets for the funding request (mitigation psychologist) heard on Friday, Feb. 25 and the striking, pronounced BOWL formation, the rim standing vertically along the meridian axis with all planets to the west or Prosecution's half. The leading planet, retrograde Saturn, rules the prosecutors and yet as lead, dictates the moves and strategies of Defense.
The Team, rather than advancing an affirmative defense of what Prisoner did or didn't do, is relying on faults & weaknesses in the State's case, retrograde Saturn. This situation is precarious, viewed from either side of the courtroom. Saturn retro in House 4 would equate to the whole foundation of the State's case falling through due to unguessed flaws attacked at trial. As far as it represents, on the other hand, the accomplishment of The Team--doesn't even rate an honorable mention. They are relying, in fact banking, on State's poor showing. Why build a missile defense shield? Our enemy will never get the bomb anyway.
These problems are the reason the #504 analysis exclaims the mutual reception of Venus & Saturn must be used. Prosecution must address every single point that might be raised regarding what the flooding wreaked in that hollow at Suburban because that is Saturn retrograde in and on that land. Saturn in this position also confirms something from the earliest charts: yes, the heart stopped from the insult of drugging abuse but there was a prolonged time of suffering prior to that moment. Yes, there was a lack of air to the lungs. That is clear in the horary as to where on the Hopespring premises the duct tape was. I believe Prosecution can prove the sequence of taping, drugging, death even though the proposition is many ways tricky.
Lastly, once Venus & Saturn have exchanged places so that Venus, rather than symbolising accommodation, agreeability & ambition in Capricorn House of the prosecutors, will rest on the most fortunate Fixed Star Spica in the House of just outcomes, in Libra. Saturn retro will hold firm in House 7 describing one dead serious, grim State Attorney in charge of cold facts, the one Defense will consider the meanest man in town. But, as The Team always throws on the table, "Death is different."
Nore wants her birthday present on time~the Frye hearings scheduled for late March to determine if evidence for trial has solid scientific bases or not. Ashton & Drane-Burdick are now pushed themselves for time because neither Baez nor Mason has provided them with the designation of which evidence Defense wants to challenge at the Frye and that is coming soon! Experts will testify at the hearing as to scientific validity but of WHAT!!!? The prosecutors need to know so that they can prepare counter testimony & arguments. Of all the deadlines that were important, to me this one is major. If some subject is deemed not admissible as it rests in the discovery files, the State can appeal the ruling. Of course, this also holds true for challenging scientific testimony Defense intends to present to refute what State terms evidence. If Defense is denied the right, due to their experts' "unscientific" ideas & testimony, to put certain controverting, discrediting matter before the jury, Defense can also appeal.
All of this is to say that everyone needs to be at his or her best in performing at these Nore hearings. Sorry, Frye hearings.
FifthEssence
02-28-2011, 01:50 AM
We've kept in contact with our dear HOUSEMOUSE who, as some may recall, was the first Astrologer to make a footprint on the WS site when Caylee was reported missing.
We miss her insightful works!
In her recent communication, she wrote:
Please tell our friends that I am doing well, but my primary concern is to see that my dear husband is as comfortable and happy as he can be in the few years remaining.
I will try to check in from time to time. I only wish I had the time to study the charts!
Best wishes to all the sleuths in 2011.
Your Housemouse
salvarenga
02-28-2011, 12:18 PM
Tuba -
For some reason on the ninth circuit website just listed this motion on their website. The date they listed under the motions category is 02/25/11. I wonder if this is finally going on the docket to be heard.
Motion to Suppress Video Footage
Originally faxed from Baez 12/29/10 at 4:16pm. Stamped by the Court 12/29/11 at 6:06pm.
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Motion%20in%20Limine%20to%20Suppress%20Video%20Foo tage.pdf
FifthEssence
02-28-2011, 12:50 PM
Tuba -
For some reason on the ninth circuit website just listed this motion on their website. The date they listed under the motions category is 02/25/11. I wonder if this is finally going on the docket to be heard.
Motion to Suppress Video Footage
Originally faxed from Baez 12/29/10 at 4:16pm. Stamped by the Court 12/29/11 at 6:06pm.
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Motion%20in%20Limine%20to%20Suppress%20Video%20Foo tage.pdf
Just released:
State Won't Use Casey's Jailhouse Reaction
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27024724/detail.html
Prosecutors will not use Casey Anthony's jailhouse reaction to the discovery of her daughter's remains as evidence at her trial, a new filing shows.
Soulscape
02-28-2011, 12:55 PM
We've kept in contact with our dear HOUSEMOUSE who, as some may recall, was the first Astrologer to make a footprint on the WS site when Caylee was reported missing.
We miss her insightful works!
In her recent communication, she wrote:
Please tell our friends that I am doing well, but my primary concern is to see that my dear husband is as comfortable and happy as he can be in the few years remaining.
I will try to check in from time to time. I only wish I had the time to study the charts!
Best wishes to all the sleuths in 2011.
Your Housemouse
If it wasn't for Housemouse, there would be no Forensic Astrology Forum.
In July 2008 when the Caylee Anthony case broke, Housmouse had the courage to contact Tricia Griffith, Websleuths owner, and ask permission to start an Astrology thread on the case.
Tuba and I eagerly jumped in, as did FifthEssence, Neptunian and Kaitlyn. Toward the end of 2008, after little Caylee's remains were found, we all agreed we wanted to continue offering our astrology skills to assist in other missing person cases. The Forensic Astrology Forum was the result, but it never would have come into being without the first courageous steps of our beloved Housemouse.
Housemouse, if you're reading, we love you and think the world of you. Our prayers are with you and Mr. Housemouse during this difficult time.
Love and Gratitude,
Soulscape
salvarenga
02-28-2011, 01:05 PM
Just released:
State Won't Use Casey's Jailhouse Reaction
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27024724/detail.html
Prosecutors will not use Casey Anthony's jailhouse reaction to the discovery of her daughter's remains as evidence at her trial, a new filing shows.
Hmmm..if the video's out, does that mean it's no longer under seal and can be released?
I'm just completely bummed by all the evidence that will not be used.
LambChop
02-28-2011, 04:36 PM
I really think the State is pulling anything they feel that they do not need to weaken defense's claims that LE and the jail tried to set KC up for a confession.
Also, if the other investigation into tampering is under way and CA had anything to do with it in any way, shape or form, her attorney's may be advising her she needs to cooperate to avoid jail time. I still think there was a fight on the 15th of June and it was significant, words were spoken (remember the words spoken, everyone lies, everyone dies, etc.) and it's possible CA's new team has laid it out for her and in clear terms she is able to understand. If you want to save your daughter, it's time for tough love. Let's hope. jmo
salvarenga
02-28-2011, 04:45 PM
I'm just completely bummed by all the evidence that will not be used.
Me too! I was REALLY shocked when I read that list.
As you know, for some weeks planets came together that told us Defense & Prosecution were talking in private, not for public knowledge. Some Websleuths speculated that they were bargaining. Maybe it was bargaining of a quite different stripe than imagined.
Coming on for hearing in March are types of evidence that may or may not withstand scrutiny. Defense objects to substantial chunks of the State's case, like canine i.d., the putrified air of death in the car, aspects of the duct tape and much more. In discussing the subject matter of the Frye hearing, I brought up the possibility of appeal if decisions went against either side. The appeal process coming out of pre-trial evidentiary hearings is a lengthy one and The Team might have served notice (informally & orally) that they were prepared to appeal if certain evidence were not suppressed. Let's be frank, they may have threatened to take the issue(s) to a higher court. Seeking to expedite this already over-long prosecution, Drane-Burdick & Ashton may have provided certain assurances in the latest State filing.
Although I am suggesting this possibility, I hope it is not what happened. I hope the State is merely reserving the items of evidence in their list for rebuttal against the case in chief of Defense.
There was almost a page of astrological analysis plus chart on the December 29 court filing from the defense. It is on our calendar for the start of January and is of course, also in this thread at #290, 291, 293 and 294. It is not predictive interpretation, it is argument for using the jail infirmary video. I really spread the ink and a lot of passion on this subject because I feel so strongly about it. It was also clear to me from Judge Strickland's original sealing that he never intended the evidence not be revealed at trial.
LambChop
03-01-2011, 01:53 PM
I'm just completely bummed by all the evidence that will not be used.
But the wording is they do not "intend" to use the evidence. So if something is brought up by defense they may still be able to use it. If JB is doing the questioning I'd say there is a slim chance he could ask the wrong question. If CM plans on doing all the questioning I doubt it would happen. I don't see JB taking a back seat.
coastal
03-01-2011, 03:09 PM
If it wasn't for Housemouse, there would be no Forensic Astrology Forum.
In July 2008 when the Caylee Anthony case broke, Housmouse had the courage to contact Tricia Griffith, Websleuths owner, and ask permission to start an Astrology thread on the case.
Tuba and I eagerly jumped in, as did FifthEssence, Neptunian and Kaitlyn. Toward the end of 2008, after little Caylee's remains were found, we all agreed we wanted to continue offering our astrology skills to assist in other missing person cases. The Forensic Astrology Forum was the result, but it never would have come into being without the first courageous steps of our beloved Housemouse.
Housemouse, if you're reading, we love you and think the world of you. Our prayers are with you and Mr. Housemouse during this difficult time.
Love and Gratitude,
Soulscape
I am grateful to all of you astrologers, for sharing your amazing talents and time. Thank you so much!
:tyou:
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magiemay
03-01-2011, 09:07 PM
Tuba can you elaborate on any of this thanks so much for all you do !!
Actually, I did want to say more but I lost internet access due to a software bug. 6 hrs. wasted. Then Fifth Essence informed me that I had already done this horoscope back in early January and it is on our calendar.
Anyway, the ruler of the ASC has no taste for labour at this time and requires assistance to go forward. There is someone on The Team who can take up much of the slack and the burden; my understanding was that interns were already doing a lot of medium weight lifting though. In any case, we will see some surprises and changes tomorrow. The Moon in Aquarius, particularly in H. 11, always brings on change without prior notice.
All of this is to say that Mr. Baez is in no mood for the trouble and further requirements descending upon him. In fact, he is bone weary, some of it attributable to the recent travel. He's about ready to throw up the sponge. Just when the prosecutors made all those evidentiary concessions, too!
Judge Perry does not want to hear affront and insult and counter retort, nor does he want to hear excuses. The very least said the better tomorrow as the tongue gets people in trouble. There are a majority of planets in south latitude also, which makes it easy to say & do the wrong, unwise thing.
TakingALook
03-02-2011, 08:23 AM
Goodmorning; Below is a link to a site for watch the hearing. I am sorry for not being able to remember the name of the person who posted this link yesterday -- went back to look, but can't remember the thread either. I just saved it to my favorites so that I could give it a try today. Maybe you all would like to see if it works for you. (There was a couple posts stating that it wasn't working for those using a MAC computer/operating system). Have a great day everyone and thanks to your continued insight and posting of this case.
Link to Trial Hearings without interruption:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12890/live/reflector:57420.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12890/live/reflector:57420.asx)
The older chart done for today's hearing is on page 14 of this thread, at #340.
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Mod ETA:
also, both charts and discussions can be found on the Astro Calendar for March 2, 2011
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2145&day=2011-3-2&c=5
LiveLaughLuv
03-02-2011, 08:43 AM
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Motion%20to%20Strike%20the%20State%20of%20Floridas %20Motion%20For%20Rule%20To%20Show%20Cause.pdf
Oh my...Baez is really trying His Honor's patience...What do our fine astrolgers think of Baez being arrogant and obnoxious and blaming His Honor for allowing these "games"...JMHO
WFTV-Channel 9’s Kathi Belich described how Baez will defend himself on the contempt-of-court allegation. “He’s blaming the prosecutor for playing games, blaming Chief Judge Belvin Perry for allowing it and even blaming the judge for not responding to his requests,” Belich said.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer was withering in criticizing Baez’s implication that Perry was impeding Baez’s work on the Anthony case. “That’s probably the most obnoxious of the allegations is that somehow Judge Perry has become a puppet of the state,” Sheaffer said.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-will-there-be-fireworks-a-blame-game-bickering.html?wpmp_switcher=mobile
watchinginky
03-02-2011, 10:48 AM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/March22011Hearing001.jpg
Tuba....after watching some of this AM's hearing, I'm very intrigued by your last paragraph from above. Could this casualty be relating to GA and CA's relationship or something with KC? She's seems quite mad since CA's testimony. I watching on pins and needles waiting for the shocking turn of events (hopefully it will be George finally telling the truth)!!
Thank you for everything you do for little Caylee (and all of the other missing loved ones)....you are the BEST!! :rocker:
TakingALook
03-02-2011, 12:08 PM
Goodmorning; Below is a link to a site for watch the hearing. I am sorry for not being able to remember the name of the person who posted this link yesterday -- went back to look, but can't remember the thread either. I just saved it to my favorites so that I could give it a try today. Maybe you all would like to see if it works for you. (There was a couple posts stating that it wasn't working for those using a MAC computer/operating system). Have a great day everyone and thanks to your continued insight and posting of this case.
Link to Trial Hearings without interruption:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12890/live/reflector:57420.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12890/live/reflector:57420.asx)
This was a Great link. Viewing was clear full screen with no advertisement shown and no 'refreshing' buttons to continually hit.
What we do know is that behind the scene and in the big house, matters have come unstuck. That is the location of the Uranus factor. The affliction to Uranus is coming from the House of the law and the Sign of the law, as in rulings and precedents, not code sections that have been legislated. So the tension is between those two points: the rulings/law and the private expectations of all parties but particularly those of the prisoner. We will have to hide and watch what ensues.
Yes, you're seeing what I'm seeing. She is one long string of misery this morning. Prisoner has the pale cast of prison and hollow, skeletal eye sockets. Baez and Mason are at this point, unruffled. I will say that when I read Jose Baez's answer to Ashton's motion for a finding of contempt, for the first time I understood how he and Mason had read the judge's order. I don't think they were being thick or blase; they interpreted the clauses of the sentence differently.
watchinginky
03-02-2011, 12:28 PM
What we do know is that behind the scene and in the big house, matters have come unstuck. That is the location of the Uranus factor. The affliction to Uranus is coming from the House of the law and the Sign of the law, as in rulings and precedents, not code sections that have been legislated. So the tension is between those two points: the rulings/law and the private expectations of all parties but particularly those of the prisoner. We will have to hide and watch what ensues.
Yes, you're seeing what I'm seeing. She is one long string of misery this morning. Prisoner has the pale cast of prison and hollow, skeletal eye sockets. Baez and Mason are at this point, unruffled. I will say that when I read Jose Baez's answer to Ashton's motion for a finding of contempt, for the first time I understood how he and Mason had read the judge's order. I don't think they were being thick or blase; they interpreted the clauses of the sentence differently.
Thanks Tuba. I think KC realizes she's about out of time. The trial is quickly approaching and none of her stories have worked to this point. What's an inmate to do?!?
Oldsoul2
03-02-2011, 12:44 PM
Just browsing through photos from the past and present courtroom hearings.....Casey Anthony with those big smiles on her face like she's walking into the grammys. Does she not get that she is in protective custody right now and this is not actually what it will feel like to serve real time, especially since all crimes against children are extremely frowned upon by other prisoners which is why they have to keep a special eye on her until she is proven guilty, the case is over and the media circus ends...wake up lady! Did Cindy put on 40 pounds to prove to Casey that she "cares" because CA is all smirks and smiles when she sees her mother, much heavier in July.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-photos,0,7769386.photogallery
TakingALook
03-02-2011, 01:10 PM
So far, I was a little taken back with GA's testimony. He seemed a little definant and somewhat more assertive with his speaking this morning. Something which he might not be awarded the luxury of at Hopespring Dr. JMO. I was so hopeful that he might show more willingness to be 'Justice for Caylee'.
Oldsoul2
03-02-2011, 03:54 PM
So far, I was a little taken back with GA's testimony. He seemed a little definant and somewhat more assertive with his speaking this morning. Something which he might not be awarded the luxury of at Hopespring Dr. JMO. I was so hopeful that he might show more willingness to be 'Justice for Caylee'.
Totally agree with you, he looks like he wants to get up and punch someone. I'm still watching, I haven't caught all of it because I am working but I did see Baez interrogating the officer that CA dragged to Universal when she claimed she worked there and I might add when her 2 year old was missing and Baez went on and on about how big the room was where they interragated her, which direction the furniture was in and best of all which direction on which seat was his butt when he asked her questions....this is what tax payers are paying for and why there is such a delay! This is painful.
AND what is she writing down in her big notebook....does Baez need even more assistance just in case he didn't catch everything
LambChop
03-02-2011, 05:37 PM
What was JB thinking with those questions to Yuri about GA telling him the car smelled like a dead body and KC's daughter being missing for 31 days prior to it being reported?
lolipop
03-03-2011, 05:38 PM
I think George is going to snap, he is not doing well at all and Cindy actually breaks my heart to even look at her she is soooo desperate at this point and I noticed she cries alot now and trust me I have never been a fan of Cindy but this is saddddd to watch. Lee seems like he's going down the straight line and just telling the truth which I was quite suprised about. This entire case is just so sad, It only took one person to destroy all those people and I don't even think she cares what she is doing to them.....
marlame
03-03-2011, 06:06 PM
Oh what a day for ICA...
LA took the stand this afternoon and answered questions honestly...ICA was FURIOUS! He was called by JB as a defense witness and he shockingly went off script. :great: At one point KC even threw up her hands as Lee was selling her out. She was raging mad at her Bro! When Lee walked past ICA at the defense table she wouldn't even look at him...No high fives today! :woohoo:
Court resumes Fri at 8:45am. What will court hold tommorrow...especially with the New Moon?
21merc7
03-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Wow! I just read through the many postings Tuba has done for us lately, and, again, they are spot on! (Sorry, been mia lately, work and life stuff.) Cannot thank everyone here enough, especially Tuba for all of the hard and accurate work on this case!
That the prisoner is oblivious to the scorched earth she leaves behind is outrageous but clear to one & all who are viewing this. Also, sad to say, Defense is so deeply sunk in subjectivity that they seem incapable of understanding that law enforcement was passionately engaged in finding a missing two year old, not in weaving creative snares for their client. The BOWL formation revealed that inability to see from the other person's point of view but this is carried to such an extreme that The Team impugns the integrity of officers doing what they were explicitly asked to do and what their code of honor and their caring impels them to do. Of course, criminal defense attorneys seek to protect the accused but it need not be done at the moral expense of insinuation, insult, & ignominy heaped on people doing their jobs.
There remain four planets that can be traded back and forth from their present Signs into the position where they belong and rule: Uranus and Neptune, Venus and Saturn. One of those, Venus, is under the control of the prosecution. Saturn is within control of Judge Perry.
In defending police practices, Venus moves to House 6, Sign Libra but this draws fire from Part of Fortune and Uranus, opposite as well as placing Venus in the prosecution's own background or its Twelfth House. Therefore, this is an unwise option to exercise. It is best to leave Venus where she is, in a compatible Air Sign, Aquarius, thus "in her element" and in dignity because elevated in the House 10 angle.
Defense is challenging the use of statements made by Prisoner, statements which in no way represent an illegally obtained confession. They are merely lies she slid out, straight from the horse's mouth, in an emergency~the pressing, screaming need to find her own daughter missing for 31 days with no word to anyone. She was not the suspect placed in unfamiliar & hostile surroundings of Miranda warnings, she was in territory she chose as her familiar work setting during a generalised inquiry about the missing child. In fact, she selected all of the locales where she would give her accounts, purportedly to assist in finding Caylee but actually designed to thwart the inquiry and search.
Lastly, Saturn in mutual reception is an implement the judge can employ. In so doing, he would choose to greatly delay his decision and ruling on this matter because Saturn would, by being traded for Venus, find himself conjunct House 10 while also retrograde, withholding (retrograde) judgment (H. 10) for considerable time (Saturn). This would prove a disappointing turn for the prosecution, stuck in their own House 12 opposite a malefic.
TakingALook
03-04-2011, 12:58 PM
Wow, JB makes a public apology to the court & Mr JA.
I truly hope he was 'sincere' and did not do this solely based on HHJP's suggestion. ('suggestion' was phrased by JP in his summation after the apology).
JB did sound rather convincing and I was glad that I witnessed that.
Hopefully, it will help others who despise him - (JB)-- in getting through this trial.
And I hope that Mr JA feels less animosity now that this was done in public. I hate seeing people at each others throats. JMO
Do the charts show any effect on JB while/for doing this? TIA
marlame is curious about the influence of the New Moon. This New Moon conjunct Achernar, a Fixed Star of the nature of beneficent Jupiter is a wonderful energy for those who are spiritually attuned, also lending a new infusion of faith to those who are religious extremists, however. This is especially true with Jupiter squaring Pluto.
As the star affects the case we are following here, the New Moon presents tough challenges for all parties to the action, even Judge Perry. This is due to the Sun by antiscion about to enter the fiery star path called the Via Combusta; worse, as soon as the Sun enters Combusta later today, it sets off retrograde Saturn by solstice point. Progress will be difficult and day to day problems tie knots in the heads of prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys.
Personally, rejoice in the light path from the Cherub & Sword, as Achernar is pictorialised. For those seeking a promotion, all signs point to "Yes".
21merc7
03-04-2011, 04:29 PM
Heeding the words of blessed be. Thank you.
What this is and we have seen it many times, is reflex action. If you are a 28°II, when the Sun reaches 2° Cancer, it trips off your own natal Sun because the two placements are the identical distance from the Summer Solstice. You will often find Scorpios get along with Aquarians even though the Sun Signs are squared. This is, in great part, because the two Signs are the same distance from the Winter solstice. The other reason is that many, many Aquarians have Scorpio rising due to the power and physical strength of that Sign. Aquarians need that strength because the Sun is at its weakest when opposite Leo, in the Sign Aquarius.
So, anyway, today the Sun at 14° Pisces is antiscion or solstice point retrograde Saturn at 16° Libra and they bounce off one another in effect. This make lots of work and creates problems for the Sun but due to the influence of Cherub & Sword or Achernar the blessed Fixed Star, you get a promotion for handling all this responsibility. (Be careful what you wish for, you may jolly well get it. Especially today!)
salvarenga
03-04-2011, 05:01 PM
Just saw this on the Casey Anthony Updates Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates?sk=wall
Just in from the court: case returns to court on Monday at 2p. Casey will be present. We'll stream it live.
21merc7
03-04-2011, 06:52 PM
Please do not forget to check the calendar. Tuba is on the job. Here is something in April, do not give up everyone.
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lolipop
03-04-2011, 07:20 PM
I just got done watching today's hearing and Cheney isn't looking so good, I got a bad feeling that he is really sick........is there anything in his chart pointing in that direction? I really hope it's only a cold.
Remember he just enjoyed a Full Moon in February on his Sun Sign ruler, Jupiter. This would usher in a period of good fortune & support for him from all sides. Sometimes Jupiter tempts a lucky recipient to overdo it, to push his luck. He may have overworked or gone out at night in the rain. Pisces can easily produce a cold in Sagittarians as the two Signs are at a 90° angle and Pisces is moisture, wet, water, humidity, sniffles, running nose, too much damp.
21merc7
03-04-2011, 08:13 PM
Tuba;
May I ask the house that Jupiter transits.
I know we should know, but, um, er, well, uh, we (I mean me) does not know. Can you spell it out for, um, little children that do not know or remember? Sorry to ask, but, uh, yeah, it has been some time and, well, newbies and oldies, forget. :kisses:
Capri
03-04-2011, 08:24 PM
Lastly, Saturn in mutual reception is an implement the judge can employ. In so doing, he would choose to greatly delay his decision and ruling on this matter because Saturn would, by being traded for Venus, find himself conjunct House 10 while also retrograde, withholding (retrograde) judgment (H. 10) for considerable time (Saturn). This would prove a disappointing turn for the prosecution, stuck in their own House 12 opposite a malefic.
For Tuba, & anyone who may have insight on this one-
Judge Perry today stated in the hearings that he plans to have these motions addressed and ruled on by next Fri. He is waiting on one written file from the defense, that Ms. Sims states she will get to him MOn., and Prosecution has said they will look at it Tues. Judge Perry seemed to think that was sufficient to stick to his Fri. deadline.
So.....newbie question....Saturn in retrograde, withholding judgment for a "considerable time". I'm wondering if next Fri. and the delays already expected would be a considerable time, or more than that? I know it may not be able to be pinpointed to a date, but I'm just wondering if we should expect the current delays only , or more to come? Thanks
21merc7, Jupiter for this week's collection of hearings was in House 12, which did offer The Team some hidden protection but as mentioned a few times, Jupiter is sorely afflicted by square to Pluto. One of the products or consequences of that square was that Mr. Baez had to leave the forensic conference early to take care of business here, although he had to pay for the entire duration and make the taxing trip. The other problems that come with the square of those two planets have been discussed in earlier posts.
As to where Jupiter, the Jupiter that belongs to Mr. Cheney Mason, rests in his horoscope, we have no birth time for him so we do not know. I certainly would like to know, however. If he has had a long & illustrious legal career, he probably has either the Sun or Jupiter in his Tenth House. His Jupiter is at the end of Leo, right on Werner Spitz's Sun, a very compatible and fortunate tie between them and let's include Mr. Baez in there too, because that is his Moon position. All three together=formidable.
Capri, next Friday is a swift resolution so it is obvious that neither the state attorneys nor Judge Perry exercised the trade-off between Venus & Saturn retrograde and that, as you will remember, is for the best. Using the mutual reception would have put the prosecutors in a bad position and would not have benefited Judge Perry.
Now, there is one more mutual reception that is on its last laps: Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius. Obviously, Uranus rules and belongs in Aquarius and Neptune belongs in Pisces but for a little while longer, they can exchange places and come off all the stronger for it. Neither the judge nor the lawyers of either side control those two planets. One governs circumstances and the other governs secret, hidden concerns and incarcerations. The prisoner has a modicum of control over choosing to alter her predicament but as those planets are leaving this very month (Uranus on the 11th of March) and next month (Neptune on April 4), the creaking door to the inner sanctum is inching toward SHUT.
Oldsoul2
03-04-2011, 11:17 PM
I'm on the edge of my seat with this pre-trial! I strongly believe that justice will not prevail if all this evidence doesn't fall upon the jurors ears. I can completely see why they didn't read her her rights and let's not forget, it was Cindy who initiated the call to the police to come and arrest her but not for suspicion of murdering Caylee but for theft and the hope that she could scare KC into telling where Caylee was.
The tactics used here feel like drawing straws again just simply to get their client off with no concern that a 2 year old is dead and the evidence against the mother is profound. As we see it and the rest of the world for that matter, the sole concern at that time was trying to find out what happen to this child...so what if LE asked the family to help, they couldn't arrest her until she was a suspect and she was lying of her own free will, sending them on wild goose chases and pretending that she was actually distraught. The Anthonys all had the same objective and the same problem with her at that time and knew exactly who she is before LE knew. They knew she is liar, knew that she would deny any fault and knew she would try to cover her tracts. Has anyone taking that into consideration while they testify on cross examination. Instead we got Cindy saying that LE asked her several times to get information out of her...did anyone asked her why she also felt the need to call the police in desperation so KC would be forced to talk. Did she not trust, if her daughter wasn't a liar, that she would tell her the truth and immediately felt that she had to go to those extremes.
CA, GA and LA were not forced by law to try and find out from her what happened, in reality they knew they would get as far as LE did but would WILLINGLY give it a stab because they love Caylee. The defense is twisting the story and trying to ignore or better, deter from the fact that LE and the family did not suspect KC as the person who committed this crime at that time, KC's evident lying tipped them off, they were ALL trying to find a missing child. I'm disgusted, although I get how some defense tactics are used in cases like these, that you want to focus on the twisted, perceived lack of reading her her rights to make sure that the jurors never get to hear what a filthy liar this girl is and best of all she was mad that her brother "worked" with LE to find out information about his baby niece because his sister wanted to cover her own butt...the gall of this girl makes me want to vomit!
I don't think Jose Baez felt humiliated in the least, TakingALook, in making his open court apology. It was somewhat dramatic and certainly gracious and that fits his Leo Moon and Libran Sun. Nor did it seem faked. But the charts do show that he has felt put upon of late. Now that you would have me take a look, I do see that he has one more disillusionment coming. Remember when Neptune squared his Venus-Neptune and he discovered his client was feeding him lies all along? Well, now as Neptune exits Aquarius, he is going to find he has been taken in once again but by an older woman.
Since we've been soaking up perceptions from the courtroom and the camera man focused so much attention on the prisoner, the planets are here to help us understand what is making her wheels go round.
Mars is coloring her Jupiter red right now. Prisoner wants to jump all over any and every opportunity she thinks she sees emerging. There is private impatience and public hostility and restlessness. What's with the hand covering and the Rapunzel hair roping? Feast of a study for Lillian Glass or Tonya Reiman! Inside, due to this transit and the square of Jupiter to her Neptune, there is total confidence, such that she is more than charged to take unnecessary risks. She is full to the back teeth with the urge to assert and to initiate changes.
Is this the time to make grand changes and burst out? Decidedly NO! Due to the film that has formed for her over the furniture of the present muddled situation, she cannot grasp what is really out there; it is blurred and confused. Illusions form and dissolve but she has a will to strike out and grab some of it anyway, to examine it and to see if it, any of it, is real. In fact, in a literal way, when she wants to reach someone to confer or to reassure her, they physically cannot be contacted "at this time".
The square from Jupiter in Aries to her Neptune in Capricorn, Pluto spread all over him like an octopus, warns that her judgment in legal matters has never been more faulty or incompetent. Nevertheless, falsely founded optimism propels her to take corkheaded risks.
What of the added impact of trans-Neptunian Hades now at the II south node of the Moon square the prisoner's Sun? This marks her as one who carries a dread secret and who is pursued by the Furies.
Finally, there is the conjunction now of Zeus with retrograde Saturn, adding nightly doses of anguish and anxiety to the dashed hopes of the day. The sharply separative estrangement from the brother, when Mercury made his inconjunct during testimony this week.
LambChop
03-05-2011, 12:59 PM
I don't think Jose Baez felt humiliated in the least, TakingALook, in making his open court apology. It was somewhat dramatic and certainly gracious and that fits his Leo Moon and Libran Sun. Nor did it seem faked. But the charts do show that he has felt put upon of late. Now that you would have me take a look, I do see that he has one more disillusionment coming. Remember when Neptune squared his Venus-Neptune and he discovered his client was feeding him lies all along? Well, now as Neptune exits Aquarius, he is going to find he has been taken in once again but by an older woman.
There is just way too much "touchy, feely" going on between KC and JB. Worse yet, JB does not appear to discourage it. Does he want to see her in handcuffs?
His impulse was very strong in court. You may recall that Jose Baez has Uranus at zero degrees Libra because Andrea Lyon has her Sun just there. At the hearing(s), Venus was zero Aquarius, exactly trine AND in mutual reception, so Jose would have hugged anyone in front of him even the court reporter~anyone but Andrea Lyon. The irresistible impulse of Venus-Uranus.
LambChop
03-05-2011, 02:54 PM
His impulse was very strong in court. You may recall that Jose Baez has Uranus at zero degrees Libra because Andrea Lyon has her Sun just there. At the hearing(s), Venus was zero Aquarius, exactly trine AND in mutual reception, so Jose would have hugged anyone in front of him even the court reporter~anyone but Andrea Lyon. The irresistible impulse of Venus-Uranus.
But as a officer of the court it is inappropriate for him to do so. It could get him into trouble, or worse, his client. :sick:
Capri
03-05-2011, 03:48 PM
But as a officer of the court it is inappropriate for him to do so. It could get him into trouble, or worse, his client. :sick:
It is inappropriate, but JB does so many inappropriate things, that I think it's a case of picking your battles. In the big scheme of things, IMHO, they'll ignore this, and concentrate on the more serious ones.
Intermezzo
03-05-2011, 03:56 PM
Please do not forget to check the calendar. Tuba is on the job. Here is something in April, do not give up everyone.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #14 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6019196&postcount=376)
The Frye Hearings are slated for March 23,24 & 25
Judge Perry may have a ruling by the end of March early April...
Who could we speculate will cut ties...another lawyer leaving? An Expert?
Tuba, is there a chart for the March Hearings?
I went down into the main forum but found nothing on the time of these hearings. I should have asked you or Nore to report the time when you find it. The charts do seriously require a time as the Ascendant and Descendant will be representing the contestants in Frye and without a time that axis is unknown.
21merc7
03-05-2011, 08:33 PM
But as a officer of the court it is inappropriate for him to do so. It could get him into trouble, or worse, his client. :sick:
Lambchop;
Lawyers that defend criminal clients must be touchy feely, especially when the client's life is on line. Granted KC is unaware that she may face injection to death, she is not capable of grasping that. (Much harder to explain than say, or have to know and understand these kinds of people. Let us leave it at that, it is not somewhere anyone should know.) So, no, it is very professional to be in close comfort with a death penalty client. Many folds, one you must save their life, two they will hold all of your hard work against you no matter what, three it is important to know just whom you are defending and why. The defense attorney should become a facade of a family member in a way. Besides if you are facing the death penalty odds are you only had a facade for a family anyhow. Very sad business. Hugging and touching are a natural part of healing and grieving. Think about it, I have said too much.
salvarenga
03-05-2011, 09:05 PM
I went down into the main forum but found nothing on the time of these hearings. I should have asked you or Nore to report the time when you find it. The charts do seriously require a time as the Ascendant and Descendant will be representing the contestants in Frye and without a time that axis is unknown.
Tuba -
I checked the Judicial Automated Calendaring System and they are not listed on the official docket yet. I am thinking this is because no one has filed the official Notice of Hearing yet. I will check back through some of the old articles and see if I can find a time mentioned anywhere.
Thanks, as always, for all that you do!
Sal
More info...
I just went back and found the hearing where this was discussed. It was the 2/4 Status Hearing. At this link:
http://www.wftv.com/video/26751020/index.html
around the 12:00 minute mark they are talking about the need for Frye Hearings. HHJBP only states that the hearings will take place on 3/23, 3/24 and 3/25. He does not give a time. He tells the attorneys he will need more info from them before he can formulate a schedule. So at this point, we are still waiting on an actual time.
TakingALook
03-05-2011, 09:26 PM
I don't think Jose Baez felt humiliated in the least, TakingALook, in making his open court apology. It was somewhat dramatic and certainly gracious and that fits his Leo Moon and Libran Sun. Nor did it seem faked. But the charts do show that he has felt put upon of late. Now that you would have me take a look, I do see that he has one more disillusionment coming. Remember when Neptune squared his Venus-Neptune and he discovered his client was feeding him lies all along? Well, now as Neptune exits Aquarius, he is going to find he has been taken in once again but by an older woman.
(Trying to catch up on reading of other threads as I missed bits of both hearings). Sorry for just getting back to you, but, Thank You Ms Tuba for your taking a look at this.... Now, with this new insight; who could it be???? Cindy -- maybe????????
LambChop
03-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Lambchop;
Lawyers that defend criminal clients must be touchy feely, especially when the client's life is on line. Granted KC is unaware that she may face injection to death, she is not capable of grasping that. (Much harder to explain than say, or have to know and understand these kinds of people. Let us leave it at that, it is not somewhere anyone should know.) So, no, it is very professional to be in close comfort with a death penalty client. Many folds, one you must save their life, two they will hold all of your hard work against you no matter what, three it is important to know just whom you are defending and why. The defense attorney should become a facade of a family member in a way. Besides if you are facing the death penalty odds are you only had a facade for a family anyhow. Very sad business. Hugging and touching are a natural part of healing and grieving. Think about it, I have said too much.
I understand what you are saying. But KC's swinging at her attorney to hit him in the arm while he stands before the judge is not appropriate and will get her put back in chains if she is not careful. Also squeezing or patting your attorney's knee is never appropriate under any conditions. Patting him on the back or on the shoulder I can see. Grabbing his leg or swinging you hand over to hit him in the arm, sorry she should hear about that and warned or she's back in cuffs and leg irons. Plus wasn't JB already warned several times by the jailers that touching the prisoner is not permitted. She is still under the control of the OCCO is she not? I've just never seen a prisoner get away with as much as KC does in the courtroom with her throwing pencils, giggling and actively flirting at inappropriate times. DP or not, it does not seem to bother her and she acts in the courtroom as if she does not have a care in the world. While I understand what you are saying about a normal DP client (if there is such a thing) there was no reaction whatsoever to her daughter's name. KC is not capable of grieving only of demanding attention.
I noticed too, how LDB backed away from GA when she handed him his deposition after he had his hissy fit. She backed way away. This family is way too physical.
I just feel that defense let's her do what she wants because they may fear what she is capable of. Clearly her family will be again victimized. You could see that in her actions during and after their testimonies. What bothers me is her attorney follows her lead and acts like it is all a big joke. This is not normal and will not go over well with the jury. In particular KC's love starved doe-eyed look when she looks at JB. Two months away and she still does not know how to act in the courtroom. jmo
TakingALook
03-05-2011, 09:38 PM
After watching more parts of the hearings I missed on those days and hearing comments of some observations of those on In Sessions, I am curious if you would take another look at GA the times he testified.
For some reason, I just cannot figure that one out. It's like he talks out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
Do the charts find that he was 'more angry' because he was exposed while he thought that he was incognito or what is it with him about coming clean with his true feelings?
I know that he has to love his daughter, but I truly think he wanted the best for Caylee. Doesn't he still?
And while reading today, somewhere (I need to keep notes) someone mentioned that there will be another hearing Monday (seems like there was a posting on the FB update page). Would this have anything to do with HHJP rulings on these motions we are waiting on from the hearing these past 3 days? Do you need me to try and find more info on that for you? TIA
TakingALook
03-05-2011, 10:07 PM
This is all I could find.........off to look further. http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates?sk=wall#!/caseyupdates/posts/206513666031468
Just in from the court: case returns to court on Monday at 2p. Casey will be present. We'll stream it live. (March 7th, it doesn's say what it was called for)
I did a piece on George not too long ago but as to his behavior on the stand and in the audience also, chomp, chomp. The Sun opposes him now and so does Mars and also his Sun Sign ruler, Mercury. Ideally, he would dig a hole and climb in after it until the first day of spring. Pisces shoes him in pinch-tight boots and he cannot put a foot right. We all go through an annual trough and this is his~how unfortunate that he has, by no personal volition, to appear before the larger public at this time.
If we look at these transits of his, they are telling us that he is in a white fury over the entire recent past, June 2008 to date. You know about displacing anger and this is precisely what he has been and is doing. It all goes to the death and the responsible party. He can neither accept nor forgive that, nor is he in a position to release it where it belongs and so you are witnessing the gross distortion of emotional expression that ensues.
FifthEssence
03-05-2011, 10:19 PM
This is all I could find.........off to look further. http://www.facebook.com/caseyupdates?sk=wall#!/caseyupdates/posts/206513666031468
Just in from the court: case returns to court on Monday at 2p. Casey will be present. We'll stream it live. (March 7th, it doesn's say what it was called for)
Friday afternoon, the judge announced he will hold a hearing next week on a set of key remaining pretrial motions he heard arguments on this week.
http://www.wftv.com/news/27077737/detail.html ( parag 2)
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27081056/detail.html
The case heads back to court on Monday at 2 p.m. Perry said he would hear more testimony then regarding the motions to suppress Anthony's statements.
WESH.com , WFTV.com and myfoxorlando.com are expected to stream the proceedings.
KC is expected to be present.
LambChop
03-06-2011, 08:21 AM
I did a piece on George not too long ago but as to his behavior on the stand and in the audience also, chomp, chomp. The Sun opposes him now and so does Mars and also his Sun Sign ruler, Mercury. Ideally, he would dig a hole and climb in after it until the first day of spring. Pisces shoes him in pinch-tight boots and he cannot put a foot right. We all go through an annual trough and this is his~how unfortunate that he has, by no personal volition, to appear before the larger public at this time.
If we look at these transits of his, they are telling us that he is in a white fury over the entire recent past, June 2008 to date. You know about displacing anger and this is precisely what he has been and is doing. It all goes to the death and the responsible party. He can neither accept nor forgive that, nor is he in a position to release it where it belongs and so you are witnessing the gross distortion of emotional expression that ensues.
Let's hope GA's attorney sits with him prior to the trial and encourages him to tell the truth because the lies are written clearly in his expressions and they will in no way help his daughter if it is his intention to try and save her life. He must know she will probably never leave prison.
And do CA and GA not communicate because their testimonies were different about significant events they testified to? You would think they would get their stories straight and agree prior to testifying (i.e. who scheduled to first jail visit and the call from Yuri about KC not coming home), two different versions.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/Supressionhearing37at2pm.jpg
Never doubt that this Monday hearing is a continuance of the astrological influences from Wednesday, March 2. You will remember that the south node of the Moon fell in House 3 of testimony and that Mercury ruling that House and testimony generally, was in fall, reducing the value and virtue of words uttered under oath. Additionally, remember that Mercury fell in the House of self-destructive acts. That fact and its consequences are with us yet. The effect of the Dragon's Tail in House 3 is huge loss, epic fail. Dark Moon Lilith hovered at the cusp (20°II57') damaging witness self-presentation by seeming amenability to start.
Now, we have Mercury side stroking against Uranus, both in Pisces~bound to produce shock waves from change not foreseen. Issues require fresh examination or a pitch into the discard pile.
We remain haunted by George's testimony and demeanor, brought to court by the Sun at midpoint to Mercury and Mars, resolute in opposition to State's examination, agitated and volatile, premature in reaction to questioning, reflexive in his harsh cavils.
Withal, there was fatal flaw in the effort and 4°35')( represents that. Mercury crossed the degree February 23rd and Mars arrived February 28 and March 1st. Whatever was accomplished on those days affects the outcome of the motions now before the court. Harms the chances of the motions, that is to say. On the final day of March, Venus will land on this crisis degree of Pisces and we may observe some of the factors implicated.
The opening of these hearings also saw another midpoint activation and that was Mars as he roiled between Sun & Neptune. That was already covered in the description of the defense moving this court on March 2 because Mars was the Significator out of Aries at the Ascendant~the moving & initiating party to the court action.
Extrasuper
03-06-2011, 04:32 PM
Here in Colorado, we don't get live coverage of the present court proceedings. Is there a link on WS whereas I could watch these proceedings?
nanny1
03-06-2011, 05:13 PM
Here in Colorado, we don't get live coverage of the present court proceedings. Is there a link on WS whereas I could watch these proceedings?
Extrasuper I hope this links helps :
http://www.wftv.com/video/27049808/index.html
FifthEssence
03-06-2011, 07:01 PM
Our ASTRO TIME STAMPED News Thread has the Videos of the hearings from these past few days.
For that matter, I always try to post the respective links to all hearings whenever the news sites make them available.
Here's a link to the last page of the Thread, scroll down to 3/2 where posts have been created listing links to the actual courtroom videos.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105077&page=9
You can watch the proceedings LIVE if you go to the following sites.
Monday's hearing will be at 2PM Eastern Time so make an adjustment according to your time zone so you don't miss it streaming/RealTime .
www.wesh.com
www.myfoxorlando.com
www.wftv.com
salvarenga
03-06-2011, 09:13 PM
Monday should bring Robin Adam's testimony. I would imagine "Cookie" might send a few shockwaves through the courtroom.
LambChop
03-07-2011, 10:47 AM
We should also be hearing from Silvia Hernandez.
Noticeable in the horoscope for today's hearing, Lilith here is at solstice point or antiscion of Lilith for the hearings opener, when she helped to spoil the testimony offered. Mars is conspicuously trine the Lilith in House 12, which creates chaos in the hidden sector where Prisoner lives. Lilith is an afflictor and denies not only freedom but also the many comforts and consolations the prisoner yearns for according to the jail tapes with her parents. Lilith malfunctions in House 12 and acts to subvert the nature of incarceration, breaking jail rules.
Yes, we should expect to see women as witnesses today since the Moon rules both the day and the hour.
Oldsoul2
03-07-2011, 12:20 PM
The arguments defense will bring forward in this case.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-defense-experts-20110304,0,4166548.story
Doubts about dogs
Fast-growing plants?
Not enough bugs
Firstly, the defense is trying desperately not to have to touch on Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez..by attempting to find ways to throw out all her statements. Now, defense is attempting to disqualify experts, LE methods that have been used for centuries and most of all the big rain storm that hit Florida druing the time Caylee was in a slippery garbage bag in dense woods. Their claiming error in a dogs scent...not one dog but two, that the growth around Caylees body was only a week old..guess what, in rain and mud like that, logic could tell anyone that that body moved at least once if not several times by either animals or rain or both, were not talking here about a 300 pound body and there were coffin flies found in her trunk but according to the defense there's should have been more bugs....did it ever occur to them what coffin flies are doing in her trunk in the first place!
salvarenga
03-07-2011, 12:35 PM
Dorothy Simms filed two Memorandum's today:
03/07/2011 Defendant's Memorandum Regarding to State's Motion to Strike Defendant's Motion to Exclude Unreliable Evidence Pursuant to Frye (Chloroform) Faxed to the Court 3/7/11 at 9:47AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106293/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
03/07/2011 Defendant's Memorandum in Opposition to State's Motion to Strike Defendants Motion to Exclude Unreliable Evidence(Plant or Root Growth) Faxed to the Court 3/7 at 9:24AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27106306/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
Lilith in House 12, where she causes difficulty understanding ones own thought processes, reminds me of a scene from the hearings. Yuri Melich was testifying and Jose Baez asserted, "So you lied (to my client)!?" Melich agreed that this was so. And Baez harumphed. But Jose Baez knows that police are not held to speaking the truth when investigating a crime; that's even in the manual. If Baez has not read the manual, Leonard Padilla could tell a green man. But what amazed me was the ecstatic expression of triumph on Prisoner's face at this exchange. As if Everybody Dies, Everybody Lies were not only vindicated but such words of just realised wisdom that they should ring down the Ages.
Oldsoul2
03-07-2011, 04:29 PM
The prosecution is doing an amazing job! That was exactly the point I was trying to get accross in regards to LE not having to coax the Anthonys into getting information "It was CA who called LE" "It was all the Anthonys asking LE to talk to her and try to get information from her regarding Caylees whereabouts and they told her they could not do that".....EXACTLY...Cindy shouldn't have to excuse herself for trying any means to find her grand-daughter and like the prosecution pointed out today, The A's were not trying to build a case against their own daughter and sister, they were trying to get to the truth, the same way LE was. I wish CA and GA could grow somewhat of a spine when it comes to this horrid child they have.
Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that Websleuths are curious to know how our judge will rule on these suppressions. If we revert to the classic or older rulership of Pisces, Judge Perry has an A-1 mutual reception at his disposal in judging the motions and the arguments he has heard.
Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and Mars, of course, rules Aries. This insures that after steeping himself in the case law, the precedents, of House 9 while he employs and is Jupiter in Pisces, he will come on in all clarity and decisive choice, ruling SHARPLY, Mars at the midheaven or cusp of House 10. His conclusions disposit the assertions of Fire Sign counsel this afternoon and favour the procedures followed by law enforcement and the arguments put forward by Prosecution. That is true because the planets that represent him & which he is free to employ, Jupiter and Mars, favour the prosecutor and her group of lawyers, Venus for the purposes of this hearing.
The final aspect our Aries Moon makes is the sextile to Neptune while in semi-sextile to Uranus. A pile-up of cases is creating muddle in the common law of precedents. Various district courts rule in contrary fashion on when Miranda rights attach, what is custody, what is passive and what is active questioning. Fortunately, Judge Perry need not concern himself with these variances & he never does.
The mid-point planet of Uranus, which finds itself smack in the middle of Moon and Mars, will generate some exasperation in The Team, particularly in today's Fire Sign trial attorney. Even when acting as Mars at midheaven in Aries, Judge Perry will transcend the ire and the fray.
Female witnesses were scheduled for today and the judge instructed The Team to subpoena them without prior deposition if lawyers continued to confront refusal to produce. Either Mr. Baez did not want them on the stand without deposing them (not knowing at all what they might say) or, even with subpoenae, he met a stone wall. That is easy to believe since our Moon opposed retrograde Saturn in House 4. The judge has expressed vexation at this defiance before. I wonder if he will be making a couple of phone calls.
LambChop
03-07-2011, 05:09 PM
The prosecution is doing an amazing job! That was exactly the point I was trying to get accross in regards to LE not having to coax the Anthonys into getting information "It was CA who called LE" "It was all the Anthonys asking LE to talk to her and try to get information from her regarding Caylees whereabouts and they told her they could not do that".....EXACTLY...Cindy shouldn't have to excuse herself for trying any means to find her grand-daughter and like the prosecution pointed out today, The A's were not trying to build a case against their own daughter and sister, they were trying to get to the truth, the same way LE was. I wish CA and GA could grow somewhat of a spine when it comes to this horrid child they have.
Was it my imagination or was CM misstating some facts that were testified to? Seemed like some of his information was off, not quite what was said in testimonies to the court.
LambChop
03-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that Websleuths are curious to know how our judge will rule on these suppressions. If we revert to the classic or older rulership of Pisces, Judge Perry has an A-1 mutual reception at his disposal in judging the motions and the arguments he has heard.
Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and Mars, of course, rules Aries. This insures that after steeping himself in the case law, the precedents, of House 9 while he employs and is Jupiter in Pisces, he will come on in all clarity and decisive choice, ruling SHARPLY, Mars at the midheaven or cusp of House 10. His conclusions disposit the assertions of Fire Sign counsel this afternoon and favour the procedures followed by law enforcement and the arguments put forward by Prosecution. That is true because the planets that represent him & which he is free to employ, Jupiter and Mars, favour the prosecutor and her group of lawyers, Venus for the purposes of this hearing.
The final aspect our Aries Moon makes is the sextile to Neptune while in semi-sextile to Uranus. A pile-up of cases is creating muddle in the common law of precedents. Various district courts rule in contrary fashion on when Miranda rights attach, what is custody, what is passive and what is active questioning. Fortunately, Judge Perry need not concern himself with these variances & he never does.
The mid-point planet of Uranus, which finds itself smack in the middle of Moon and Mars, will generate some exasperation in The Team, particularly in today's Fire Sign trial attorney. Even when acting as Mars at midheaven in Aries, Judge Perry will transcend the ire and the fray.
Female witnesses were scheduled for today and the judge instructed The Team to subpoena them without prior deposition if lawyers continued to confront refusal to produce. Either Mr. Baez did not want them on the stand without deposing them (not knowing at all what they might say) or, even with subpoenae, he met a stone wall. That is easy to believe since our Moon opposed retrograde Saturn in House 4. The judge has expressed vexation at this defiance before. I wonder if he will be making a couple of phone calls.
Could the jailer, SH, be reluctant to testify because she was terminated after an in-house investigation by the Orange County Jail and feels they may ask her questions that might violate her 5th Amendment Rights?
Sure, that could well be S.H.'s thinking but all she has to do is invoke her right not to bear witness against herself under compusion, to give self-incriminating testimony. Terri Moulton Horman is loathe to do that because of the judgment
incurred. Maybe this witness dreads the same assumptions, opprobrium & even the possibility of further investigation as to her violations.
LambChop
03-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Sure, that could well be S.H.'s thinking but all she has to do is invoke her right not to bear witness against herself under compusion, to give self-incriminating testimony. Terri Moulton Horman is loathe to do that because of the judgment
incurred. Maybe this witness dreads the same assumptions, opprobrium & even the possibility of further investigation as to her violations.
Exactly what I'm thinking. She may fear it will cost her her new job which is with a police department outside of Orlando.
salvarenga
03-07-2011, 08:20 PM
Mason made a comment during court that they had not yet deposed the other two ladies. I assume he meant Robyn and Sylvia since the state is not using Maya. Well someone for the defense has at least deposed Robyn b/c an order was signed for JAC to pay for the transcription of her deposition. See here:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20For%20Motion%20For%20Transcription%20Servi ces%20(3).pdf
The State had also moved Robyn from her Federal prison location to Orange County for this hearing. She's been there since last week. So I am not sure why they didn't at least move on with her part of the hearing.
goldleaf
03-07-2011, 09:51 PM
Lilith in House 12, where she causes difficulty understanding ones own thought processes, reminds me of a scene from the hearings. Yuri Melich was testifying and Jose Baez asserted, "So you lied (to my client)!?" Melich agreed that this was so. And Baez harumphed. But Jose Baez knows that police are not held to speaking the truth when investigating a crime; that's even in the manual. If Baez has not read the manual, Leonard Padilla could tell a green man. But what amazed me was the ecstatic expression of triumph on Prisoner's face at this exchange. As if Everybody Dies, Everybody Lies were not only vindicated but such words of just realised wisdom that they should ring down the Ages.
Thank you for all you do Tuba!
It is amusing to see how offended ICA, CA and GA act when they feel they have been misled or lied to - talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Especially ICA - how ironic to see her pleased to see someone called out about being a liar, yet she continues to lie and feel no shame!
BigFatMommyDog
03-07-2011, 10:17 PM
Mason made a comment during court that they had not yet deposed the other two ladies. I assume he meant Robyn and Sylvia since the state is not using Maya. Well someone for the defense has at least deposed Robyn b/c an order was signed for JAC to pay for the transcription of her deposition. See here:
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Order%20For%20Motion%20For%20Transcription%20Servi ces%20(3).pdf
The State had also moved Robyn from her Federal prison location to Orange County for this hearing. She's been there since last week. So I am not sure why they didn't at least move on with her part of the hearing.
FYI - as of a few days ago, Robyn was not listed on the OC jail website - the FEDERAL BOP locator site has listed her as "in transit" since late last week. I believe she was deposed by the defense team earlier last week. It doesn't solve the mystery as to why she and Sylvia were did not testify in the hearings - but as for Sylvia, I suspect (and I have nothing to corroborate this) that she got a lawyer (perhaps her current employer) in between herself and the other powers that be. Pure spec vis a vis Sylvia on my part.
For reference, here is the Federal Bureau of Prisons locator search engine: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp
TakingALook
03-07-2011, 11:45 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that Websleuths are curious to know how our judge will rule on these suppressions. If we revert to the classic or older rulership of Pisces, Judge Perry has an A-1 mutual reception at his disposal in judging the motions and the arguments he has heard.
Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and Mars, of course, rules Aries. This insures that after steeping himself in the case law, the precedents, of House 9 while he employs and is Jupiter in Pisces, he will come on in all clarity and decisive choice, ruling SHARPLY, Mars at the midheaven or cusp of House 10. His conclusions disposit the assertions of Fire Sign counsel this afternoon and favour the procedures followed by law enforcement and the arguments put forward by Prosecution. That is true because the planets that represent him & which he is free to employ, Jupiter and Mars, favour the prosecutor and her group of lawyers, Venus for the purposes of this hearing.
The final aspect our Aries Moon makes is the sextile to Neptune while in semi-sextile to Uranus. A pile-up of cases is creating muddle in the common law of precedents. Various district courts rule in contrary fashion on when Miranda rights attach, what is custody, what is passive and what is active questioning. Fortunately, Judge Perry need not concern himself with these variances & he never does.
The mid-point planet of Uranus, which finds itself smack in the middle of Moon and Mars, will generate some exasperation in The Team, particularly in today's Fire Sign trial attorney. Even when acting as Mars at midheaven in Aries, Judge Perry will transcend the ire and the fray.
Female witnesses were scheduled for today and the judge instructed The Team to subpoena them without prior deposition if lawyers continued to confront refusal to produce. Either Mr. Baez did not want them on the stand without deposing them (not knowing at all what they might say) or, even with subpoenae, he met a stone wall. That is easy to believe since our Moon opposed retrograde Saturn in House 4. The judge has expressed vexation at this defiance before. I wonder if he will be making a couple of phone calls.
WELL, WELL, WELL. Thank you Ms Tuba.
I remember you commenting in prior posts; that a person should think about what they WISH for and it looks like the Team should have done that very thing. They got JS removed and now are in front of a very 'sharp, knowledgeable, honest', (not enough descriptive adjectives) HHJP.
After todays wrap up I felt like we need not worry about Justice for Caylee, as she had a grand gal fighting to keep the record straight, honest and consistant for HER.
HHJP seemed very focused on LDB's detailed delivery of the events so that this trial can proceed without wading through alot more Mud.
Poor sweet baby, I am so sorry that you had to be left all alone there off Suburband Dr........still makes me cry. Caylee, you have your OWN team and they will go the distance for you!!!! Great posts everyone. TYA
LiveLaughLuv
03-08-2011, 09:49 AM
Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is that Websleuths are curious to know how our judge will rule on these suppressions. If we revert to the classic or older rulership of Pisces, Judge Perry has an A-1 mutual reception at his disposal in judging the motions and the arguments he has heard.
Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and Mars, of course, rules Aries. This insures that after steeping himself in the case law, the precedents, of House 9 while he employs and is Jupiter in Pisces, he will come on in all clarity and decisive choice, ruling SHARPLY, Mars at the midheaven or cusp of House 10. His conclusions disposit the assertions of Fire Sign counsel this afternoon and favour the procedures followed by law enforcement and the arguments put forward by Prosecution. That is true because the planets that represent him & which he is free to employ, Jupiter and Mars, favour the prosecutor and her group of lawyers, Venus for the purposes of this hearing.
The final aspect our Aries Moon makes is the sextile to Neptune while in semi-sextile to Uranus. A pile-up of cases is creating muddle in the common law of precedents. Various district courts rule in contrary fashion on when Miranda rights attach, what is custody, what is passive and what is active questioning. Fortunately, Judge Perry need not concern himself with these variances & he never does.
The mid-point planet of Uranus, which finds itself smack in the middle of Moon and Mars, will generate some exasperation in The Team, particularly in today's Fire Sign trial attorney. Even when acting as Mars at midheaven in Aries, Judge Perry will transcend the ire and the fray.
Female witnesses were scheduled for today and the judge instructed The Team to subpoena them without prior deposition if lawyers continued to confront refusal to produce. Either Mr. Baez did not want them on the stand without deposing them (not knowing at all what they might say) or, even with subpoenae, he met a stone wall. That is easy to believe since our Moon opposed retrograde Saturn in House 4. The judge has expressed vexation at this defiance before. I wonder if he will be making a couple of phone calls.
Thank you, Dear Tuba for all that you do as well as the other fine astrologers..and you are not wrong, I so want to know how His Honor will rule....
CMason has met his match LDB, she talked rings around him.
He misstated facts and she did correct it. Then in rebuttal, he states, I might not have all the facts...is he for real? Facts are so important and he skewed them horribly. Same with portraying ICA as a frightened "child"....incredulous to even utter but he did. All one has to do is view her jailhouse tapes/phone calls and this is no where near a frightenend child...which I took great insult to, for she is an "adult" child who HAD a child of her own. His Honor looked very bored with his diatribe and perked up real quick with LDB, he was all ears.
ICA needs to get a grip on her body language and those faces she makes along with the furious scribbling, same with ICA's parents. Chomping gum like a cow chews cud, shaking head in a negative manner, taking deep breaths while the State had the stand, yet so agreeable with the mistruths about ICA...how hypocritical can they be??? I thought they were done with the half truths, mistruths, etc...
LDB also stated, ICA was in custodial interference and therefore no miranda applied...
Various district courts rule in contrary fashion on when Miranda rights attach, what is custody, what is passive and what is active questioning. Fortunately, Judge Perry need not concern himself with these variances & he never does.
Does this mean His Honor will rule with the State? Will he split his decision?
July 15th through July 16th, is very crucial and this is where ICA gives not one statement that bears any truth...also some of the statements defense wants suppressed have already been ruled on and is inculpatory at this point. That includes the last 911 call when ICA tells the 911 operator that the person who has been Caylee's babysitter for the last 1 1/2-2 years, took Caylee and she names her on that call. ZFG, all over her statements, out of her mouth and her mothers mouth...so I don't see His Honor overruling his previous rulings on them...I loved that LDB showed how imperitive it was to get credible information, since LE was in a race against time and had been 32 days behind...marvelous, LDB hits a homerun....JMHO
Also all during the hearing, ICA was tugging at Baez, trying to make him read what she scribbled. You can see the anger and rage inside her and I wonder if you see ICA taking the witness stand in her own defense. It appears she has much to say and wonder if she still thinks she has this case beat! JMHO
Justice for Caylee
Justice for Caylee
Unless a Websleuth has different information, I am going to assume Sims returned to Ocala after her court appearance last week and that she faxed her memorandae to motions from Ocala, Florida.
It is paragraph two that answers the question, LiveLaughLuv. (Quote in your #589)
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SimsFaxesMemoradumonChlorSuppression001.jpg
It is clear, astrologically, that Dorothy Sims is a member of a team, part of a group effort, because she comes from Aquarius in this action she is filing. So, who is this team? It is the increasingly desperate Pisceans collecting in House 11 as it falls also into House 12. How arch that the Big Boss does indeed appear, when the curtain is pulled, to be Prisoner!
Of course, we knew she does and has the right to make decisions regarding her personal participation in the defense to her charged crimes but from this chart we gain new insight: she is also calling the moves and the background delving, strategy and study by The Team! It cannot be otherwise because it is her very own Mercury and Sun and Jupiter staring right off the page. See Mars in Pisces (her Jupiter), Mercury in Pisces (her Mercury, recently returned in Pisces) and her Sun (conjoined by Uranus).
Yet Mr. Mason refers to her as "this child" and "the girl". This is not his outlandish personal tactic, but a common employment of criminal defense attorneys, victimizing their clients. But a child calling the shots? Brings the terror tantrums of Miss Muffet to mind. Walk wide around That One, she's spitting & hissing!
FifthEssence
03-08-2011, 12:36 PM
MOTION FROM RELATIVE OF VICTIM TO BE EXCLUDED FROM RULE OF SEQUESTRATION AND MEMORANDUM OF LAW
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/73107238/20110302-Motion-for-Relative-of-Victim-To-be-Excluded-from-Sequestration
(THANK YOU MUZIKMAN - our Tuba is sure to get some mileage out of this!)
Faxed on 3/1/2011 @ 5:22PM from Lippman's ORLANDO office
Recorded in County Clerk office on 3/2/2011 @ 12:39PM
(IMO- the Defense Team and the A's all think alike, this is a SPECIAL case therefore exceptions should be made. :tsktsk:)
salvarenga
03-08-2011, 12:37 PM
Tuba or anyone else who may be interested......
If you would like to see just how uninformed Ms. Sims and Ms. Anthony are about the chloroform tests, just take a peak at Valhall's assessment of the science behind this motion:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/07/caylee-anthony-case-chloroform-and-gcms/
It makes me wonder just how hard are they researching these things before they file them.
TakingALook
03-08-2011, 03:08 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SimsFaxesMemoradumonChlorSuppression001.jpg
It is clear, astrologically, that Dorothy Sims is a member of a team, part of a group effort, because she comes from Aquarius in this action she is filing. So, who is this team? It is the increasingly desperate Pisceans collecting in House 11 as it falls also into House 12. How arch that the Big Boss does indeed appear, when the curtain is pulled, to be Prisoner!
Of course, we knew she does and has the right to make decisions regarding her personal participation in the defense to her charged crimes but from this chart we gain new insight: she is also calling the moves and the background delving, strategy and study by The Team! It cannot be otherwise because it is her very own Mercury and Sun and Jupiter staring right off the page. See Mars in Pisces (her Jupiter), Mercury in Pisces (her Mercury, recently returned in Pisces) and her Sun (conjoined by Uranus).
Yet Mr. Mason refers to her as "this child" and "the girl". This is not his outlandish personal tactic, but a common employment of criminal defense attorneys, victimizing their clients. But a child calling the shots? Brings the terror tantrums of Miss Muffet to mind. Walk wide around That One, she's spitting & hissing!
Another - Thank You Ms. Tuba. I am not sure that I totally understand what this chart is saying. Should I reread it? (the part in the chart that says Sim's position is elevated......etc).
Is it giving Ms. Sims a ‘leg up’? I remember when she was introduced or she became a part of the Team, it was implied that he was very good at arguing the matters that she was brought to the Team for.
Years ago, I was involved in a case and have seen some other cases where the lawyer’s delivery (demonstrative style) over powered the facts. Please tell me this will not be the case in her presentation, giving her any kind of advantage to a Jury member.
TIA, but one more question. Would a chart reflex a change forth coming in it’s own form as to what you see in it? I know that I didn’t ask that correctly. What I mean is, could the outcome of this particular chart change before the event actually takes place because of unforeseen events; and would you have anyway of knowing if this could happen? (Would that only be possible because of DATES/Times that you work with)? We all appreciate your interpretations of these events.
No matter how an astrologer feels about an event or a case in a personal sense, it is his or her obligation to present what is in the pertinent horoscope. Therefore, I must report that Ms. Sims as an individual submitting this memorandum, is not only in her element thus very comfortable in what she is doing with no qualms about it, but has personal dignity also because she, Venus here, is not only in an angle of the chart but the highest angle. She has proven respectful of the court & is therefore accorded reciprocal respect.
She is also the emissary of her motion, which is found at House 3, and thus she is co-ruled by the Aries Moon in House 12 of self-undoing. That is a sorry state for a filing and the writing therein but what is worse, this Aries Moon is opposed by Saturn r. So the suppositions in the memorandum are not factual, are uninformed and all of the logic in this whole project to suppress the chloroform findings is flawed (this was first covered in an earlier post).
As for her in-court manner, it seems to me more than adequate but she doesn't blind us with science. She is organised and what she says coheres, plus the pace is just right. If I owned some sort of scientific lab, I would never hire her except maybe as end man on the quality control conveyor. She seems not to be creative and excited about possibilities but instead wholly given over to the critical stance. And very narrow in that.
So how will a jury respond to her? If they have nagging, complaining, quarrelsome mates who go on at them for days, ".....and another thing, if you would only.....", then they will not take to her at all.
No worries about whether an event horoscope charts happenings to come, for good or ill. It does. All of that is included in the 'print' the event makes in time. But we do have six x-factors to reckon with and those would be the planets in mutual reception. If you look into the left margin of the page, you'll see them. These are options that can be picked up and used and they grant, because there are so many of them, tremendous flexibility.
That's why I tried to make definite the end resolution of the suppression motions. It is the State of Florida in and for the people who are favoured in their arguments and police procedures.
The prior discussion of this particular motion to suppress is at #480 and 481 of this thread and is also on our February 2011 calendar.
TakingALook
03-08-2011, 04:41 PM
Ms. Tuba, TY for the explanation.
I do not understand those astrology drawings at all. LOL.
But, I love your drawings and explaining their meanings.....So interesting.
I plan to look into the basic 101 of astrology so that I might follow better. (After I get these taxes done).
Please know that I am not forming any kind of opionion based on your charts; as I would not understand any of them without your words/interpretations. I continue to be amazed at your abilities and knowledge. You, along with others in this thread, seem to keep us grounded with our thoughts of this case because of your interpretations of the charts. TY isn't really enough, it's AWESOME and AMAZING what you can do.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/AnthonysSeekExemptionfromSequestration001.jpg
Due to the Fixed Stars at the terminals of this chart and the Fixed Signs there, the parents are going to continue to claim their right to be present at trial. The peregrine Sign position of this action they are taking defies the concept of adherence to rulings from the bench as well. Their planet, the dual Sign Pisces Sun representing them both, gains a measure of power by placement in an angle, House 7. Neptune casting his ray against the Ascendant deludes them regarding the priorities and where life or liberty are at stake, a fair trial is the predominant, trumping right, in terms of the spirit of the law and our Consitution.
The fact that Sun is midpoint to Mercury and Mars only augments their persistence and firmness on this issue; their determination is fierce. Caput Algol at the midheaven compounds the excitability and tension of the character shown in the midpoint. There is such rashness one is said to lose control, lose ones head in the matter. Moon in Aquarius, Cindy, will change suddenly without notice in pursuing this because some courtesy is afforded them and she can thank her "lucky stars" for that. Last over Venus, this Moon is more inclined to yield to higher authority in the quest to join the action than is the couple as a unit or George alone.
FifthEssence
03-08-2011, 10:26 PM
TUBA wrote regarding A's request Susquistration Exemption chart:
Moon in Aquarius, Cindy, will change suddenly without notice in pursuing this because some courtesy is afforded them and she can thank her "lucky stars" for that. Last over Venus, this Moon is more inclined to yield to higher authority in the quest to join the action than is the couple as a unit or George alone.
We have no idea when the Judge will rule on this Motion. I don't know if there is some sort of legal protocol in terms of a time frame in which Judge Perry must rule on this. ???
I think the Judge will keep the order as is based on this chart.
Is there a such thing pre-trial where the Prosecution has to submit the order in which they will call witnesses? And if so, based on this Chart, could it be Cindy will be sworn in early ( to her delight), therefore can witness most of the hearing and Geo called in at a much later juncture of the trial?
LambChop
03-08-2011, 10:27 PM
Maybe they will be allowed to watch on a closed circuit TV outside the courtroom and just not permitted to listen in when either one of them is giving their testimony. I do not see them not reacting in a most disturbing way. Cindy was coming unglued, silent but in body language when JB brought up the smell of death in the car. I though they were going to have to scrape her off the ceiling at one point.
Zoe Bogart
03-08-2011, 11:14 PM
Hmmm. I would think watching on closed circuit TV wouldn't achieve the ultimate goal for the judge. He doesn't want witnesses influenced by anyone else's testimony in respect to what happened at the home on the 15/16th, and possibly before and after that, so it could include separation of many witnesses, including the family, friends, LE. Mainly though, I know he doesn't want family influencing each other's testimonies.
I can see and hear CA now when JP says, "No way". She'll be roaring mad. If keeping everyone out of the courtroom it helps get justice for Caylee, or opposingly, free Casey, one would think CA would be willing to give up her control - I mean, make a sacrifice.
Thanks so much, Tuba, for all you're doing in this thread on this case. I'm having trouble keeping up with everything, but you're always right on it. :clap:
I'm certain they'll be allowed inside the courtroom during jury selection and opening statements by both sides. Maybe the As will be called to testify early? Interesting how Lee is demanding his seat in the courtroom. My guess is he'll just come in to take the stand, laugh, scratch, and nod/shake his head. Personally, I was shocked to realize the trial is only two months away. Can't imagine how the As are feeling. I do want GA, CA, and LA to be in that courtroom when Caylee's remains are described with all the duct tape, the car, the garbage bags...
There is such rashness one is said to lose control, lose ones head in the matter. Moon in Aquarius, Cindy, will change suddenly without notice in pursuing this because some courtesy is afforded them and she can thank her "lucky stars" for that. Last over Venus, this Moon is more inclined to yield to higher authority in the quest to join the action than is the couple as a unit or George alone.
Yield to a higher authority? Cindy?
FifthEssence
03-09-2011, 12:49 AM
shortened
I think the Judge will keep the order as is based on this chart.
Is there a such thing pre-trial where the Prosecution has to submit the order in which they will call witnesses? And if so, based on this Chart, could it be Cindy will be sworn in early ( to her delight), therefore can witness most of the hearing and Geo called in at a much later juncture of the trial?
Forgive me, my oversight. Tuba did remind us the witnesses can be recalled during the trial so I guess my scenario would not apply.
Still, the Chart does not favor the A's request.
LambChop
03-09-2011, 07:49 AM
shortened
Forgive me, my oversight. Tuba did remind us the witnesses can be recalled during the trial so I guess my scenario would not apply.
Still, the Chart does not favor the A's request.
Do you think they may be able to watch on closed circuit TV so portions of the trial could be blacked out so as not to color their testimony? This would make sense because they could scream, jump up and down all they want and no one would be aware? I think they would be way too disruptive if they were allowed to stay inside the courtroom. Opening statement will kill them. jmo
I'm glad you saw Cindy's reaction to the smell of death in the Pontiac because I did not see her during those moments. Everyone with a t.v. knows she has been pushing the idea that the smell which would knock you out of the driveway was only rotten garbage. That's all, that's all. However, unfortunately for this interpretation of the reeking blast, we also have the first and real and natural and spontaneous reaction to it from both parties, George and Cindy. Therefore, it is incongruous that she would be surprised at the characterisation: smell of death. She wasn't truly surprised at all, she simply knows the importance of keeping that identification out of the trial and it reminds her of her inability to control the proceedings. Enormous threat! (Yes, of course it is a worse reminder of Nurse Cindy's role in reacting & naming the smell of a dead body in the damn car.) Anthonys, what is, is and no amount or quality of lies changes what is.
It was impolitic of the Anthonys and their attorney to challenge a fresh ruling from Judge Perry, who already had all the components of the situation before him when he ruled. They are the worse off for having filed this because it is by way of flouting the judgment of his ruling. A certain level of insult. If you do that and then come over all hurt & weepy at the pathetic state of your position in this murder, it looks manipulative to the bench.
The courtesy that will be extended to the victim's grandparents will be slight and face saving and innovative.
salvarenga
03-09-2011, 10:20 AM
Tuba and others -
I wanted to bring something to your attention. The Motion for the Anthonys was only ruled upon for the court hearings that were just attended. See below for the summary of this particular motion that was heard on 03/03/11.
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/03/casey-anthony-hearing-day-1.html
Next to speak was Mark Lippman, George and Cindy's attorney. He said he had filed a motion the previous day to have his clients, who were subpoenaed by the State, to be released from the rule of sequestration. He pointed out that the defense has not raised an objection and they are next of kin. They should be able to be in court for the testimony.
Linda Drane Burdick stated that listening to law enforcement officers testify could affect their testimony. She said that she would have no problem if they were called first to testiy.
Lippman then pushed his luck and indicated that the rule would continue through the trial if the judge issued an order.
Judge Perry said that the request would only address the hearing, not the trial and denied the motion based upon the following factors:
Their testimony may be colored by listening to other witnesses testifying.
He also based his decision on their testimony versus their depositions which tend to show their testimony may be colored.
Perry said that they could testify first and then be excused to listen to the other witnesses.
Linda Drane Burdick indicated that the motion had been faxed after 5 yesterday, and, rather than lodging an objection, she agreed. (I noted that she called them the Grandparents! I thought that was a nice touch on her part to indicate their relationship to Caylee.)
Yes, the attorney was gambling that his motion, which addresses the entirety of the trial and prosecution of this case (not only the suppression hearings) would gain a ruling on the sequestration of the Anthonys as an issue, were they entitled an exemption or were they not? That ruling would then win them admittance for the duration. But Lippman had already made this effort with the State of Florida, had negotiated with the prosecutors and had failed. For the purposes of the instant hearing and circs. particular to it, they were allowed to return to the courtroom but they are not exempted. This issue has been before the court at another time.
LambChop
03-09-2011, 01:57 PM
I have seen in the past, as I'm sure you have also, a defendent who is located in a side room watching the proceedings on a closed caption TV because the defendent was disruptive during the trial. I would think it is possible to offer the A's the exact same arrangement where they can vent their frustrations all they want and the camera will not be focusing on them. This could be explained to them as a consideration because the camera does periodically focus directly on them whenever they react. Now if they choose to decline this offer it would tell the judge exactly what their motivation is to be inside the courtroom. Plus they can chew 6 packs of gum at one time and no one will see them or care. lol
You would think that the defense wouldn't want them in the courtroom anyways. ICA CAN NOT contain her hatred for them. She comes across (as far as the family is concerned IMO) as spiteful and very hateful towards them. Her body language is impossible for her to control when they around. When it's time for the verdict the jury foreman should say "Everybody dies Everybody lies" as stated from the the defendant herself. Therefore we find that Caylee died b/c of Casey's lies and selfishness and caused the death of her daughter therefore we find "She Lied and She must die." So say us all.
LambChop
03-09-2011, 02:31 PM
You would think that the defense wouldn't want them in the courtroom anyways. ICA CAN NOT contain her hatred for them. She comes across (as far as the family is concerned IMO) as spiteful and very hateful towards them. Her body language is impossible for her to control when they around. When it's time for the verdict the jury foreman should say "Everybody dies Everybody lies" as stated from the the defendant herself. Therefore we find that Caylee died b/c of Casey's lies and selfishness and caused the death of her daughter therefore we find "She Lied and She must die." So say us all.
Are you saying this is poetic justice???
Are you saying this is poetic justice???
I guess I am :justice:
If you see hatred & or rage in these parents, their request that Lippman move the court on exemption should reflect their emotions and attitudes. Neptune is the midpoint of Venus and Uranus in their bid but Neptune afflicts them mightily by opposition. When he assaults the Ascendant, he distorts facts and induces shiftiness in its rawest form~shift to meet the case, to answer without contradicting yourself, to fit the mosaic building around your interrogation, to mould reality to conform to your suspicions of where questions are leading. Neptune here insures you overlook & ignore what is obvious, absolutely obvious, to others. This Neptune as midpoint means the couple is highly suggestible and susceptible to influence, like a figure from Riesman's The Lonely Crowd but given to aggressive, rigid reactions in compensating for that vulnerability, due to their midpoint position between Mercury and Mars. Sun=Mercury/Mars. Sun rules the couple here. In such a state, if you press the right button, you get Mars square Pluto (rage & hate) because they resort to the Jupiter-Mars switch, the adaptation invited by the mutual reception.
So there they sit, away from their own personal interests--as far away as you can reach from House 1--in the chaos of grief where Neptune presides, in waters poisoned by their daughter's lies.
I only undertook this inspection because if those feelings on the part of George & Cindy exist, the chart must reflect them, and it does.
salvarenga
03-09-2011, 05:22 PM
Just saw this update....
Mark your calendar... we've been told to expect the release of more evidence on Friday.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/caseyupdates
nanny1
03-09-2011, 05:47 PM
Tuba, sometimes after watching some of Cindy and George's reactions,I get the feeling that they would do anything in thier power to cause a mistrial..Do the charts tell us anything.
LambChop
03-09-2011, 07:09 PM
If you see hatred & or rage in these parents, their request that Lippman move the court on exemption should reflect their emotions and attitudes. Neptune is the midpoint of Venus and Uranus in their bid but Neptune afflicts them mightily by opposition. When he assaults the Ascendant, he distorts facts and induces shiftiness in its rawest form~shift to meet the case, to answer without contradicting yourself, to fit the mosaic building around your interrogation, to mould reality to conform to your suspicions of where questions are leading. Neptune here insures you overlook & ignore what is obvious, absolutely obvious, to others. This Neptune as midpoint means the couple is highly suggestible and susceptible to influence, like a figure from Riesman's The Lonely Crowd but given to aggressive, rigid reactions in compensating for that vulnerability, due to their midpoint position between Mercury and Mars. Sun=Mercury/Mars. Sun rules the couple here. In such a state, if you press the right button, you get Mars square Pluto (rage & hate) because they resort to the Jupiter-Mars switch, the adaptation invited by the mutual reception.
So there they sit, away from their own personal interests--as far away as you can reach from House 1--in the chaos of grief where Neptune presides, in waters poisoned by their daughter's lies.
I only undertook this inspection because if those feelings on the part of George & Cindy exist, the chart must reflect them, and it does.
And so this is also painted on their faces.
The chart does show that the couple is on the ragged edge as to what a jury will see and then what this jury will decide, as well as what the case law will dictate. That's because Mercury rules the jury and Mars rules the precedents and the couple, Pisces Sun at 10°59' is stuck in the middle. Would they join in some design to produce a mistrial? That sort of churning is in the heavenly bodies of the horoscope but they do not appear to be the source. Due to the reigning Caput Algol, they may turn the courtroom or the case itself upside down because they go berzerk, at least in terms of court standards, which are fairly STRICT. When Caput Algol is in charge, you go off like Linda Blair in the Exorcist.
LambChop
03-09-2011, 07:57 PM
I do not think GA will be able to sit there and listen to them describe what happened to Caylee. I think it will push him over the edge emotionally and he will probably strike out in anger.
Today, the prisoner is busy with paper work even though not in view of the public as when she writes away at the defense table. The planet Mercury tells us this because he is sitting on her Decision Point today. On Friday, it will be Uranus that replaces Mercury for a shake-up. Yes, another weighty decision for the CEO of Casey Corp.
salvarenga
03-09-2011, 08:32 PM
Can you imagine the upheavel it's going to cause in the courtroom when GA and CA spew off on the witness stand instead of answering the question asked. HHJBP was gentle with them last week. I can't imagine he will be so patient when he has to keep asking the jury to disregard their comments or even perhaps has to ask the jury to leave the room so that they can regain their composure. Rough waters are surely ahead!
LambChop
03-10-2011, 08:02 AM
I would hope the A's realize that if they become too disruptive the SA can just use their deposition testimony and declare them hostile witnesses. I don't think they really want to put on that kind of a show because the jury will feel the A's are acknowledging that they know their daughter is, indeed, guilty as charged.
LiveLaughLuv
03-10-2011, 08:21 AM
Today, the prisoner is busy with paper work even though not in view of the public as when she writes away at the defense table. The planet Mercury tells us this because he is sitting on her Decision Point today. On Friday, it will be Uranus that replaces Mercury for a shake-up. Yes, another weighty decision for the CEO of Casey Corp.
Thank you Tuba for your superb readings...
Do you see the defense team going to her and suggest she change her plea to guilty? It appears the team might be wanting to go for a PPD defense as TLenamon first suggested, could this be the shake up this CEO, ICA is feeling at this point?
She seemed very angry by the time the pretrial hearing ended and lasted an entire afternoon more than it was supposed to, she seemed to have been "barking" orders to her DT before being led out of the courtroom...does she see the miranda warnings going against her and this is what freaks her out?? JMHO
Justice for Caylee
salvarenga
03-10-2011, 10:31 AM
Check out ICA's latest jail visitation logs. No Mason....Baez only once for about 15 minutes and that was just before he filed his nasty response to JA's last motion to have in held in contempt. Other than that it seems Baez is sending in Medina to deal with ICA. Other than that the only other visitor was a forensic psychologist. 4 visits total, 3 in February and Baez's brief visit on March 1st.
Actual log with date and time stamps is listed at link.
http://www.***********.com/2011/03/a-look-at-casey-anthonys-recent-jail-visits/
The Team does keep her apprised of the odds in her favour and against her, as certain evidence comes into discovery, as certain rulings come down, as certain deponents disappoint, etc. Mr. Baez has said since the summer of 2008 that it is the prisoner who must do the time (his words) or lose her life and so, it is for her to decide. He has never veered from that.
This is one reason Mr. Lenamon exited. His interview with the prisoner did not achieve her cooperation. That was thoroughly charted and is in our archives. The Team refrains from heavy breathing & forced exertion to persuade her to do otherwise than her own inclination.
It will therefore be the rulings Judge Perry promised &/or the announced new evidence that bring renewed pressure to decide regarding matters of the case. Mars will be trine the prisoner's Moon, so some words of wisdom conveyed in the letters from Cindy will be an influence that Prisoner is comfortable relying upon. Thoughts of home and the family at table play a part in this present deliberation.
LambChop
03-10-2011, 10:43 AM
Hmmm. I would think watching on closed circuit TV wouldn't achieve the ultimate goal for the judge. He doesn't want witnesses influenced by anyone else's testimony in respect to what happened at the home on the 15/16th, and possibly before and after that, so it could include separation of many witnesses, including the family, friends, LE. Mainly though, I know he doesn't want family influencing each other's testimonies.
Snipped:
I'm certain they'll be allowed inside the courtroom during jury selection and opening statements by both sides. Maybe the As will be called to testify early? Interesting how Lee is demanding his seat in the courtroom. My guess is he'll just come in to take the stand, laugh, scratch, and nod/shake his head. Personally, I was shocked to realize the trial is only two months away. Can't imagine how the As are feeling. I do want GA, CA, and LA to be in that courtroom when Caylee's remains are described with all the duct tape, the car, the garbage bags...
I think the object of them viewing from a separate room is the fact that they cannot control their emotions and would disrupt the courtroom which means HHJB would have to have them removed or even hold them in contempt of court. They can sit at home and watch the live stream just as well as we do so keeping them from hearing testimony is not possible. They will do whatever they have to to watch. Just spare the jury their mouthings, endless chewings and inappropriate displays of horror. JP was clearly watching them during these hearings noted by his verbal warning. He will not tolerate it again. During CM ending summation he mentioned the smell of death in the car and there must have been something said by the A's because the camera immediately swung around and zoomed in on them showing CA clearly very distressed as if she could not believe CM would bring that up.
So I guess we shall see what happens. FYI, the A's are not invited to jury selection, only the defendant.
Cindy's reaction is also posted in #605 above, with comment.
LambChop
03-10-2011, 01:52 PM
I still say watching from a secure room, where they can react as they wish, actively discuss what evidence they see presented would be a consideration made for them. It could be presented to them that the courtroom is just not the place they want to be when certain evidence is presented because people will be looking at them for a reaction. If they were to decline this invitation it would look like their intent is only to disrupt the courtroom with their antics. Maybe they should be given the pad and pen to take notes for defense so they can catch all those lies from the witnesses CM was talking about.
strach304
03-10-2011, 02:30 PM
I still say watching from a secure room, where they can react as they wish, actively discuss what evidence they see presented would be a consideration made for them. It could be presented to them that the courtroom is just not the place they want to be when certain evidence is presented because people will be looking at them for a reaction. If they were to decline this invitation it would look like their intent is only to disrupt the courtroom with their antics. Maybe they should be given the pad and pen to take notes for defense so they can catch all those lies from the witnesses CM was talking about.
That is an excellent suggestion. I know they have overflow or feed rooms or something like that for the press because they can't fit them all in the court room. I really want Cindy, George and Lee to see the evidence and testimony against Casey.
Oldsoul2
03-10-2011, 04:21 PM
That is an excellent suggestion. I know they have overflow or feed rooms or something like that for the press because they can't fit them all in the court room. I really want Cindy, George and Lee to see the evidence and testimony against Casey.
I agree. Unfortunately, it has come time to face the music. These people have lived, at least the last 23 years, with the notion that if they pretend, talk over, get angry, control, manipulate, claim stupidity or lack of hearing and an abudance of other things, that it will change the facts, that they will convince everyone to see it their way, even though they know the truth and that they have this power to do it. It shows a total lack of maturity, in my opinion, all of the A's are the same especially CA GA and ICA. It's no wonder this happened. A baby had a baby and was taught to take little responsibility for her actions. Hasn't Cindy done the same thing as we have watched throughout this case. A painful lesson, I'm sure based on this scenerio....excrutiating but neccessary for all the A's. These people are supposibly religious Christians....haven't they read the bible..
FifthEssence
03-10-2011, 06:07 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif
You've all made some very good points regarding the 'sequesting' of the family members. We certainly do appreciate your participation in the Forum.
We welcome the feedback on the chart analysis and those associations. If you have a question about the transits, aspects or general tone of a chart, please ask questions and if you wish to comment on those astrological findings, please do.
Let's make it easy for those visiting this Forum to find Astrology related posts they seek.
Caylee Marie Anthony's short life story has become intimate to many of us and so it's understandable how easy it is to get carried away with discussions outside the focus of this Forum. We do allow some stretching out in the threads particularly right after the posting of a chart and the subject therein, but must bring the focus back to Astrology before we begin to look like a 'general discussion' thread. KWIM?
There is a Thread titled 'Stream of Motions' where some may wish to post their opinions regarding the sequesting of the A's and their general demeanor in the courtroom:
2010.12.21 Stream of Motions - General Discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Thank you.
LambChop
03-10-2011, 07:13 PM
Love that puppy. Oh, I know how easy it is to get carried away. I know Tuba asks if we will comment sometimes on an event but it is so easy to keep going. We'll try to keep it related to the charts only. Thanks for the reminder. I hate it too when I have to put on waders. lol
Extrasuper
03-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Do we know whether or not this case will be televised nationally? Thanks
I think Fifth Essence or Angel who cares will be able to answer your question, Extrasuper. But speaking of extra super, the Moon on Prisoner's birthday is not only full but also at perigee, the nearest it comes to earth~yes, the nearest in eighteen years. That means the lunar impact will be huger than soup. It is an extreme super Moon! But, as warned in the General Thread when the year began, it is also (oh no!)
a dreaded MOON WOBBLE. I know Websleuths don't like these because you told me so when we went through the Moon Wobble on the night of Morgan Harrington's ordeal and death. So we do need to brace ourselves but not to the degree and extent the prisoner must.
FifthEssence
03-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Do we know whether or not this case will be televised nationally? Thanks
I have not read any confirmations as to TV coverage although I would think a 'cable' TV channel, moreso then one of the major networks, will broadcast.
We know several news sites will be streaming online.
IF anyone finds out for sure, please let us know.
Thank you.
salvarenga
03-10-2011, 10:40 PM
It was posted in the main Caylee Forum that HLN (Headline News-CNN) will be covering the trial along with truTV (the old Court TV).
On a separate note, Tuba I have been thinking about your post about ICA facing a decision tomorrow. HMMM, isn't Dr. Spitz's report due tomorrow. I wonder if he either won't have it done in time or if he will put something in the report that doesn't favor her.
Too right! p. 20, #487 from February 18: Spitz report due on March 11 or else! If The Team are looking to him to salvage the whole operation, no can do. But he has charmed compatibility with Mason and Baez, as you will remember. He also has Uranus right where that planet has held a position for the longest time 28°)(, right on Prisoner's Sun. His Pluto and lunar node are right on her Moon, trined by transiting Mars.
salvarenga
03-11-2011, 09:23 AM
Today, the prisoner is busy with paper work even though not in view of the public as when she writes away at the defense table. The planet Mercury tells us this because he is sitting on her Decision Point today. On Friday, it will be Uranus that replaces Mercury for a shake-up. Yes, another weighty decision for the CEO of Casey Corp.
Since you said she would be busy with paperwork, I thought you might get a kick out of the fact that according to her latest jail purchases she's purchased 20 NEW PENS and 4 WRITING PADS during the month of February to get it all done with. LOL
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=73438782&key=OTY5OTBlMmYt&pass=ZTFmNS00OGI2
salvarenga
03-11-2011, 12:17 PM
Tuba -
Perhaps this will be what ICA's decision will have to be about. The Defense's independent testing of the laundry bag and shorts came back. They were only testing them for MALE DNA. They came back with NOTHING. NO MALE DNA FOUND.
That rules out, Kronk, GA or even LA......she's out of options for the SODDI defense. I notice they did not test for any female DNA. LOL, probably afraid her's would come up.
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161916/detail.html
Oldsoul2
03-11-2011, 03:01 PM
Some new developments:
Casey Anthony: Navy pal wore FBI wire during meeting with Casey Anthony
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-evidence-20110311,0,5748789.story
FifthEssence
03-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Tuba -
Perhaps this will be what ICA's decision will have to be about. The Defense's independent testing of the laundry bag and shorts came back. They were only testing them for MALE DNA. They came back with NOTHING. NO MALE DNA FOUND.
That rules out, Kronk, GA or even LA......she's out of options for the SODDI defense. I notice they did not test for any female DNA. LOL, probably afraid her's would come up.
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161916/detail.html
Some new developments:
Casey Anthony: Navy pal wore FBI wire during meeting with Casey Anthony
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-evidence-20110311,0,5748789.story
These and more included in today's Doc Dump can be found in our TIME STAMPED THREAD
Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3 - Page 18 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
FifthEssence
03-11-2011, 03:50 PM
CAPRI had a problem posting so I'm adding her original entry below:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/CapripostCOMPLAINTStoOCSOdefense.jpg
The longer we have to wait for the rulings on suppression, the less faith you should give my prediction about them favoring the prosecutors. We heard Judge Perry would be ready with them at this date or thereabouts, "Friday". There were three sets of mutual reception planets, six planets in all. If the rulings were slow to come out, i.e., delivered at some day after the projected one, it would be bad for the State, I wrote. This would be reflected by Saturn in Libra moving to the 10th House cusp, placing Venus in House 6, bad for the State. If this is indeed happening, no news is
bad news. Judge Perry certainly had the capability to choose delay, rumination and deliberation. The 3 sets of mutual reception planets gave him that flexibility.
savannahanna
03-12-2011, 01:08 AM
Tuba,
Are you referring to March 11th date or March 18th for rulings? I am confused as I thought I heard on 3/7 that that JP indicated it would be next Friday so I assumed it wouldn't be this Friday 3/11 but 3/18. I found link on Wesh with Bob K. reporting this info but do not know how to link. With your look toward the Wobble Moon coming in Mar. 19th (which personnally scares me!), thank you so much for your up dates and help interpretating that around us!
Many thanks,
Savannahanna
marlame
03-12-2011, 03:00 AM
Tuba,
Are you referring to March 11th date or March 18th for rulings? I am confused as I thought I heard on 3/7 that that JP indicated it would be next Friday so I assumed it wouldn't be this Friday 3/11 but 3/18. I found link on Wesh with Bob K. reporting this info but do not know how to link. With your look toward the Wobble Moon coming in Mar. 19th (which personnally scares me!), thank you so much for your up dates and help interpretating that around us!
Many thanks,
Savannahanna
Savannahanna,
I thought the rulings would come next week, as well. Here is a link addressing this:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27110579/detail.html
POSTED: 5:10 pm EST March 7, 2011
UPDATED: 5:44 pm EST March 7, 2011
No Decision Yet On Casey's Key Statements
Judge Withholds Ruling On Motions
Snipped by me..."Perry did not issue a ruling on the motions. He indicated a decision would come late next week."
A BIG "Thank You" to Tuba for her posts! :takeabow:
MarlaMe
Judge Perry did tell the courtroom that he was required to take a trip north in quest of funding and that he would be leaving for a week. Meanwhile The Team derives satisfaction from the required expert report of Dr. Werner Spitz.
salvarenga
03-14-2011, 11:24 AM
Here is the latest Defense Motion for Additional Hours of Investigation:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/73492429/20110310-Defense-Motion-for-Additional-Hours-of-Investigation
It has 3 different time stamps on it. So I'm not sure which one you want to go with:
Fax Header from Baez's office 3/9/11 at 9:41PM
Header from the Clerk's office 3/10/11 at 7:20AM
Official Stamp from the Clerk's Office 3/10/11 at 7:10AM
Gee, I wonder how they justify this at such a very late date!! I will chart this demand, using the time The Firm sent out a fax on the matter. Thank you.
LambChop
03-14-2011, 03:39 PM
Gee, I wonder how they justify this at such a very late date!! I will chart this demand, using the time The Firm sent out a fax on the matter. Thank you.
It will be interesting to see what the chart shows because according to reports only one new witness is on the latest witness list released and many of the reports in this doc dump were defense reports, report on an investigation of the PI misrepresenations. So do they need the PI to investigate his own misrepresentations. Many transcripts were released but those would have to be reviewed by attorneys first to see if there is a need for an investigation. Sort of cart before horse.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MoneyRequestedforLateInvestigation001.jpg
LambChop
03-14-2011, 09:08 PM
Not sure what will come up at the end of the month but the PI in court during these hearings let's us see how intrenched he is in this case with all his motions and shakings of his head during testimonies. Certainly not the objective attitude you would expect to see in a normal Private Investigator. They usually just get your information positive or negative, do a report and submit it. They can't afford to get emotionally involved in their assignments. It's stickly business. This PI is emotionally invested in this case, and the question is why???? So let's hope the chart is right and we will know exactly what is going on here.
Jeremiah Lyons, is it? That's the name I recall for him and he appears, in this request that more investigations from him be funded, as very self-confident and buoyed by his findings, Jupiter in Aries. But he is not at all aware of Saturn retro in House 12 because that is a hidden, concealed House. Mars also governs him and disposits him and is part of a containment with Mercury and Uranus on one side, he on the other and the Sun within. That is the excessive energy and mugging, some of it frustration. He wants to punch his way out of the box to offer something startling. There is a member of The Team who has had to rein him in, that being Pluto. The lawyer moving the court for more funding is the Scorpio Ascendant, ruled by Pluto and co-ruled by Mars.
Frigga
03-14-2011, 11:07 PM
Tuba, does he want to punch his way out of the box because he has startling information... thinks he has startling information, or hopes to find startling information? Can you tell?
All of that planetary array described an attitude. He is excited into the bargain, if I failed to mention that. However, there is nothing in the chart that shows him to be delusional, nothing. What he has in the way of facts that he personally obtained, though, could be very minimal yet we have his reaction blowing way out.
Now, on the other hand, this motion deals with the need for more information. So, he believes he has the tail end of something big. It is a matter of judgment, isn't it. My own view is that someone who behaves the way he does in court lacks good judgment. I think he cuts a very whack figure with the gestures, the squirming and the mugging. To be frank, private investigators are reserved, subtle and withholding for a reason~it serves them in eliciting information and in quiet physical searches. But even Inspector Clouseau made a case every 36th of the month.
salvarenga
03-15-2011, 05:15 AM
Tuba -
Here is the information that Dr. Spitz sent over to Baez. It was faxed over from Dr. Spitz's office on 3/10/11 at 7:18PM. His office is in St. Clair Shores, Michigan 48080.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27194148/detail.html
FifthEssence
03-15-2011, 11:09 AM
Here's the link to the last page of our Astro Time-Stamped MEDIA Thread.
(it's a 'no discussion' thread- just the news and doc dump release info w/links to the resources)
Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3 - Page 18 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Thank you to all who bring us news updates.
*If you see a news article or document dump item has not been added to that Astro MEDIA thread, please go ahead and post the main stream news link with a Heading and a blurb from the article. You'll understand the format practiced in the thread when you visit.
Thank you.
LiveLaughLuv
03-15-2011, 11:17 AM
I just stumbled upon this and wonder if our astrolgers are able to tie this deceased young man into the possibility of him being Caylee's daddy...if inappropriate, please delete...TIA
Justice for Caylee
http://www.justice4caylee.org/t1387-another-candidate-for-baby-daddy
Seems he was mentioned by RMorales in a Globe article, not sure if anyone read it or what...things that make you go hmmmmmm....died in a car accident.....
Born 1/29/85 died 2/15/2005
Chiquita71
03-15-2011, 11:19 AM
I did a piece on George not too long ago but as to his behavior on the stand and in the audience also, chomp, chomp. The Sun opposes him now and so does Mars and also his Sun Sign ruler, Mercury. Ideally, he would dig a hole and climb in after it until the first day of spring. Pisces shoes him in pinch-tight boots and he cannot put a foot right. We all go through an annual trough and this is his~how unfortunate that he has, by no personal volition, to appear before the larger public at this time.
If we look at these transits of his, they are telling us that he is in a white fury over the entire recent past, June 2008 to date. You know about displacing anger and this is precisely what he has been and is doing. It all goes to the death and the responsible party. He can neither accept nor forgive that, nor is he in a position to release it where it belongs and so you are witnessing the gross distortion of emotional expression that ensues.
RespectfullyQuoted Tuba
BBM
You have, for me, put in a nutshell what I feel I witnessed from George at the hearings(and all along) recently. Thank you.
FifthEssence
03-15-2011, 11:59 AM
I just stumbled upon this and wonder if our astrolgers are able to tie this deceased young man into the possibility of him being Caylee's daddy...if inappropriate, please delete...TIA
Justice for Caylee
http://www.justice4caylee.org/t1387-another-candidate-for-baby-daddy
Seems he was mentioned by RMorales in a Globe article, not sure if anyone read it or what...things that make you go hmmmmmm....died in a car accident.....
Born 1/29/85 died 2/15/2005
We can add him to the list of possibilities noted in the linked forum as well as those other guys discussed early on in Caylee's main Missing Person's Forum. How about JP Chatt( who does share a resemblance to Caylee-but he said he DID NOT like Casey, Jesus Ortiz, also some military guy. Even her own brother Lee's DNA was checked based on the stories she told investigators in the past.
Evidently, Mother of the Year had a full dance card early on.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/DrSpitzTestimonyReport001.jpg
There are many other postings on the fate of Dr. Spitz's participation in this trial: #454 to 458 on page 19 of this thread; #569, page 23 of this thread plus the argument posted regarding Henkle adhesive properties and application before death.
LambChop
03-15-2011, 07:49 PM
Tuba, do you suppose that Dr. Spitz was given certain photographs and has not reviewed all of them from the crime scene, only selected ones and that is what he is basing his report on?
From the chart, that is possible. The Moon is square either Neptune of photos or Uranus of transmitting them, as those two outer planets were in mutual reception when he drafted his reply to the demand for a report. I also remember how much difficulty The Team was having with New Age technology but this is not only their primo expert but one of the few remaining. To send less than all would be negligent and self-defeating. I just can't imagine that they would stop short. Now if Dr. Spitz is feeling very rough, he may have reduced the number he inspected out of weakness but it seems unlikely since he could view them lying down.
LambChop
03-16-2011, 09:44 AM
From the chart, that is possible. The Moon is square either Neptune of photos or Uranus of transmitting them, as those two outer planets were in mutual reception when he drafted his reply to the demand for a report. I also remember how much difficulty The Team was having with New Age technology but this is not only their primo expert but one of the few remaining. To send less than all would be negligent and self-defeating. I just can't imagine that they would stop short. Now if Dr. Spitz is feeling very rough, he may have reduced the number he inspected out of weakness but it seems unlikely since he could view them lying down.
If I'm not mistaken weren't those photos on a CD which I would imagine were protected so they could not be printed or reproduced. If that is the case then it's possible Dr. Spitz was viewing the photos on his computer which may not be to his advantage. More burdensome than holding 5x7's in your hands. Is it possible he skimmed through them because he needed to make that deadline??? Could this involve the Neptune/Uranus cocktail?
salvarenga
03-16-2011, 10:41 AM
From the chart, that is possible. The Moon is square either Neptune of photos or Uranus of transmitting them, as those two outer planets were in mutual reception when he drafted his reply to the demand for a report. I also remember how much difficulty The Team was having with New Age technology but this is not only their primo expert but one of the few remaining. To send less than all would be negligent and self-defeating. I just can't imagine that they would stop short. Now if Dr. Spitz is feeling very rough, he may have reduced the number he inspected out of weakness but it seems unlikely since he could view them lying down.
Tuba and Lambchop -
I have been reading a few other sites where they are going over the scientific evidence. It seems the defense experts are either not being given all of the items to look at or it's being purposely left out of the their reports if it could help the prosecution. I am speaking mostly about things I've read about the bug reports and the plant reports.
It would seem to me that if they've followed this scenario for the plants and bugs they would be doing the same thing with the autopsy. JMO, IMO and all that jazz.
Sal
If true, that leads any defense expert witness down a path to doom because all of the photos will be available at trial & the prosecutors will have these experts for lunch, refuting all faulty conclusions with reality.
The CD would be awkward to view for one bedridden. Anything that hobbled his assessment is grossly unfair to him & to the case. Saturn retrograde in Libra affecting him personally and Moon in the House of case law and common law inside the Pleiades star cluster reflects a strike against basic legal principles. The doctor is Mercury conjunct Jupiter~sound, educated judgment but the retrograde Saturn is within his control. Therefore it is for him to demand more materials in order to render studied, complete opinions, not a partial determination.
By the time this preliminary report went through the pipeline, Sun was midpoint Mars/Uranus. This will lead to such consequences as needed changes & corrections made in anger at the violation of forensic ethics and requirements. The Sun had not yet arrived at this midpoint when Dr. Spitz faxed his findings but had only minutes to go, minutes which would be consumed by receiving it and filing it the next day.
You will also note that the degree on the cusp of House 6, his work on this and his detailed study, is not only a degree of crisis in common or mutable Signs but is also the degree in the postings about a Fatal Flaw in the defense case that first surfaced in February (from my current searches). This notion about the skull and the tape has no future.
LambChop
03-16-2011, 02:18 PM
By the time this preliminary report went through the pipeline, Sun was midpoint Mars/Uranus. This will lead to such consequences as needed changes & corrections made in anger at the violation of forensic ethics and requirements. The Sun had not yet arrived at this midpoint when Dr. Spitz faxed his findings but had only minutes to go, minutes which would be consumed by receiving it and filing it the next day.
You will also note that the degree on the cusp of House 6, his work on this and his detailed study, is not only a degree of crisis in common or mutable Signs but is also the degree in the postings about a Fatal Flaw in the defense case that first surfaced in February (from my current searches). This notion about the skull and the tape has no future.
And this is what makes me believe he may not have seen all the pictures, just some of them. Makes one wonder because they were not suppose to do anything with the CD except view the photos.
Salvarenga, was the discovery about the information left out by defense for the bug examination reports released in February?
salvarenga
03-16-2011, 03:51 PM
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And this is what makes me believe he may not have seen all the pictures, just some of them. Makes one wonder because they were not suppose to do anything with the CD except view the photos.
Salvarenga, was the discovery about the information left out by defense for the bug examination reports released in February?
I don't know if I can link the actual article here but if you go to xxxxxxx site. You will see a report that her team wrote specfically addressing what was given to the defense bug experts and what was not.
Furthermore, on Valhall's site, The Hinky Meter, has published several reports referring to Defense Experts. Several Defense Experts are only looking at certain reports written by Prosecution experts and trying to pick them apart...never actually performing their own separate tests....many have never actually seen in their hands the actual evidence, only viewed select photographs that were sent to them by the defense, etc.
Valhall has several articles and XXXXX's article was just added yesterday. Both are very good reads. I won't go into them further since this is the astrology thread.
salvarenga
03-16-2011, 03:58 PM
By the time this preliminary report went through the pipeline, Sun was midpoint Mars/Uranus. This will lead to such consequences as needed changes & corrections made in anger at the violation of forensic ethics and requirements. The Sun had not yet arrived at this midpoint when Dr. Spitz faxed his findings but had only minutes to go, minutes which would be consumed by receiving it and filing it the next day.
You will also note that the degree on the cusp of House 6, his work on this and his detailed study, is not only a degree of crisis in common or mutable Signs but is also the degree in the postings about a Fatal Flaw in the defense case that first surfaced in February (from my current searches). This notion about the skull and the tape has no future.
Tuba -
I wanted to give you some insight into the way Dr. Spitz acted during the Phil Spector trial:
http://losangelestrials.blogspot.com/2009/02/phil-spector-trial-dr-werner-spitz.html
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/02/phil-spector-retrial-day-thirty-eight.html
More things I've found that may bring insight into Dr. Spitz:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Werner%20Spitz
salvarenga
03-17-2011, 08:38 AM
Tuba -
I have been keeping an eye on the Judicial Automated Calendering System for the Frye hearings to be scheduled. Today, they are finally showing. As of this morning, they are only listed for 03/23 starting at 9AM (estimating 6 hours) and 03/24 starting at 9AM (estimating 6 hours). At this point nothing is scheduled for Friday, 03/25. The next date is a Status Conference on 04/08 at 1:30PM.
Can be verified through here:
http://www.ninja9.org/jacsatt/attdocketframe.asp
You will have to select Criminal Division 99 and then select through the dates to see what's scheduled.
salvarenga
03-17-2011, 11:39 AM
My posts keep getting edited so I'm not sure what I'm allowed to post here anymore but I thought this might be of interest to you Tuba:
Clerk of Courts: Casey Anthony trial could be "canceled or suspended"
Orange County Clerk of Courts Lydia Gardner says threatened cuts to her budget could put Casey Anthony trial in jeopardy.
More detail over in the Astro Time-Stamped MEDIA Thread
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3
FifthEssence
03-17-2011, 12:12 PM
respectfully shortened
My posts keep getting edited so I'm not sure what I'm allowed to post [/B]
With the exception of our TIME-STAMPED MEDIA Thread, it is suggested members post the links to the articles one brings to any of our threads, along with short snips vs long lengthy text copy.
In addition, there are a few sites that are not allowed on the WS site so those links or notations about the non-allowed site or owner will be removed per Administration.
Thanks Salvarenga for bringing us all that you do! You are always right on top of doc releases, court info dates & times and mainstream news releases, so please continue with your fine contributions.
As I noted a few days ago, if anyone finds a current Mainstream news release not already posted in the Time-Stamped MEDIA Thread dedicated to a specific case, do go ahead and post it there.
If someone wants to make sure an news item is immediately brought to the attention of one of the Astros, you certainly can post a 'one liner' ie: The County Clerk is concerned that budget costs could affect the trial proceedings. See article in at the Media link...and provide the link to your entry from the Time-Stamped Thread.
We have MEDIA Threads for a few of the cases only because we they continue to receive much media attention. This is our way of keeping order in the Forum. Caylee Anthony is a perfect example as is Haleigh Cummings, Stacie Peterson/Kathleen Savio to name a few.
Obviously, when there isn't a dedicated MEDIA thread for a case, posting in the the Astro discussion thread is OK.
Thanks!
**NOTE: the article above citing the reduced budget concerns of Clerk of Courts Lydia Gardner is a perfect example of a news article that should be posted in the Time Stamped Thread.
I have copied Salvarenga's post over to that thread and added the link, author and a snip of the text from the article.
I call for a return to the Assizes, where we were lucky to have any record at all of the proceedings but the job GOT DONE.
Oldsoul2
03-17-2011, 01:31 PM
What does all this mean...a cancelled trial or postponement AGAIN! If there are no more funds and considering this case is over 2 years old and the defense insisted on calling motion after motion, which delayed it more and made it more costly, shouldn't this go to trial immediately! Waste no more funds and give her the trial she is intitled to and get on with it! Is the state going to spend more money while the defense attempts to build a case on lolipops and cotton candy!
The chart for the first Frye hearing is cast but I have yet to write up the interpretation & analysis. (Unavoidably detained.) It will post soon. Sorry for the delay.
salvarenga
03-17-2011, 04:34 PM
The chart for the first Frye hearing is cast but I have yet to write up the interpretation & analysis. (Unavoidably detained.) It will post soon. Sorry for the delay.
Tuba -
Never apologize for delaying your readings. You do so much here...I would wait all day and night and any amount of days just to read anything that you write. :blowkiss:
This is why I try to dump everything here for you in one, convenient place so that you don't have to go all over the web looking for it.
(Sorry, Fifth. :blowkiss: ) I just, personally, just like for you to have everything at your finger tips so that maybe in some way I can make things just a tiny bit easier for you.
Thanks for all that you do!
Sal
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/FirstFryeHearingCayleeAnthony001.jpg
Whenever a planet, like the Moon here, is in its FALL, there has been a fresh down tick in its stock. The entity is held in lesser regard, the reputation diminished. As prospects dim, The Team gets pushy and will live to rue it.
The Team will wheel out an unreliable witness before all is said and done. No one will be fooled. Not the courtroom, not the State, not the public. An embarrassment.
As mentioned, House 8 & 9 are Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter at a critical degree of Cardinal Aries. There are too many provocations against sound evidence and sound science. It is all overdone and badly received. See the reserve and rejection of Saturn, opposite.
momshrink
03-17-2011, 07:17 PM
Tuba, I really appreciate all that you do here - it is where I go for answers in this case. Do you see this trial being suspended or canceled? In the fall of 2008 on my way to work every day I drove past the Amscot, George and his donation jar, Full Sail and T's apartment. It has been too long. Can you see if this trial will continue on schedule? Thanks so much!
$361,000 for the jury, $120,000 plus in pre-trial funding to date, I think we can manage the costs of the documents, don't you? Why would the prosecution be collapsed for costs of paperwork, when the defendant has the above figures and more to come at her disposal?
momshrink
03-17-2011, 08:03 PM
It seems that it is $243,000 of the $360,000 for jurors that is in contention because of possible cuts by the legislature. Orange County Clerk of the Court is responsible for the $243,000. It is the clerk of the court who is raising this issue. Will this go nowhere? Will the trial begin as scheduled?
LambChop
03-17-2011, 08:31 PM
$361,000 for the jury, $120,000 plus in pre-trial funding to date, I think we can manage the costs of the documents, don't you? Why would the prosecution be collapsed for costs of paperwork, when the defendant has the above figures and more to come at her disposal?
And we all knew this trial was coming, it's been almost three years since KC's arrest. Not a surprise. So would this be poor planning on the Clerk of the Court's part?
salvarenga
03-18-2011, 07:54 AM
I remember a couple of hearings back where HHJBP stated on the record that he had already placed a NON-REFUNDABLE deposit on the hotel rooms that would be needed for the jury. He stated at the time that this trial WOULD happen as planned. His judicial assistant again reiterated the fact that this trial would go on as planned yesterday in a statement on his behalf.
Personally, the more I look into this cancel or delay comment it appears it was a purely political move made on the part of the Clerk of Court. Once again, someone using Caylee's name to get money. :(
Jersey*Girl
03-18-2011, 11:42 AM
Hello astros! Now that the trial is nearing us, I have you all on my mind constantly. I remember initially becoming immersed in the charts & your interpretations from the very first posted chart on Caylee's disappearance from Housemouse. I sure hope she is in good health. Since then, almost from the beginning, Soulscape, Tuba, Fifth, and several others have lended their expertise to this site - you all have collectively become such a wealth of knowledge. I think I can speak for everyone that's come across your threads when I say we are extremely gratuitous in all that you share. We have a better understanding of how people that commit crimes can be found out by simply using the stars that God so gave us, to determine those involved in such an injustice, as well as method...not only that but locating the victims, too. Thank you.
Fifth - there is a post on Sxxxxx Mxxxx that I'd like to bring over. I looked on the FAQ but have been unsuccessful in finding which websites I can link and which ones I can't. May I bring it here or should I supply the info from other various links and add the pictures to my own Websleuths Photobucket before posting? Thank you so much!
Tuba - I just wanted to say that I'm thinking of you. I read the World Events thread and saw your initial posts on the tsunami, earthquake, & nuclear disaster in Japan. It has to be extremely hard to cast a chart depicting such a disaster, let alone your interpretation and your continuous followup knowing that your hands are tied and such an event is unavoidable as it's predetermined in the stars. I feel for you and the heartache you must feel when you see such a disaster unfolding, before it actually happens, and knowing there's nothing that can be done to curtail it. I'm praying for you and hoping sincerely that you find solace.
Hugs to all! I know I pop in every now & again but I'm always thinking of you!
Jersey*Girl
03-18-2011, 11:53 AM
From salvarenga's post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-jeopardy-20110317,0,6609794.story
Snip:
"If the Senate proposal goes through the trial is in jeopardy of being canceled or suspended," Gardner concluded.
I've read that this is a capital case and it would most certainly go on as planned, that civil cases would be affected first, and that Gardner is using her "budget woes" as a political platform. She's ridiculous, imo, and should have used the correct path of using an official spokesperson assigned by her local govt to publicly address this issue...if it's even an issue as she claims. Remember everyone, her position is an elected one. Hmmm, food for thought...
When will people stop trying to make money off of Caylee?
Astros, would a chart show if Gardner is using the "budget" in the case against Casey Anthony as a means for her political platform? Is she using this to get reelected?
Betcha I don't even need to see a chart to know the answer to that one!
FifthEssence
03-18-2011, 01:46 PM
To my knowledge, that site is not allowed to be linked here at WS.
Please don't copy and paste from there either.
FACTUAL/confirmed information is welcome along with the link to back it up.
Of course we would be most interested in items that include confirmed dates and times.
Be brief, a couple lines max, when making a notation as to the article's subject matter when providing links.
Hope this answered your inquiry.
*good to see you again Jerseygirl
ETA: Go over to our TIME-STAMPED MEDIA Thread and read the article.
State Senator say 'funding NOT a concern.'
salvarenga
03-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Check the media thread! HHJBP has ruled ALL of ICA's statements are coming in to trial!
Still waiting on the actual order but the story is up on the Wesh site!
Just had to add....what a great birthday present for her! I'm sure she's thrilled! LOL
hooo-ray!!!!! Yippy-yee-kay-ee!! Yippy-yee-caylee!!!
Frigga
03-18-2011, 04:15 PM
Thank you Honorable Judge Belvin Perry. Between you, the SA office, and lady justice, Caylee will see her perpetrator brought to answer for her murder! Great day indeed. Thank you Super Moon wobble (if you had a hand in this)!!!!
LambChop
03-18-2011, 04:39 PM
hooo-ray!!!!! Yippy-yee-kay-ee!! Yippy-yee-caylee!!!
Yep, Happy Birthday Mom. Love, Caylee. :blowkiss:
We can add him to the list of possibilities noted in the linked forum as well as those other guys discussed early on in Caylee's main Missing Person's Forum. How about JP Chatt( who does share a resemblance to Caylee-but he said he DID NOT like Casey, Jesus Ortiz, also some military guy. Even her own brother Lee's DNA was checked based on the stories she told investigators in the past.
Evidently, Mother of the Year had a full dance card early on.
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I agree on Chatt. It almost uncanny.I would venture to say in this case they wouldnt have to be "nuts" about each other. Any old port in a storm.I will try to find out when he was born.I think I saw it on a depo..:seeya:
At dawn, Mercury conjunct Jupiter rose in Orlando today. The atmosphere on the jail floor effused the influence of those cheery planets and the mood among staff and inmates was therefore chirpy. This was contagious and floated into Cell F. That is pretty much the sum of the birthday good tidings for Inmate 08200810.
Saturn settles the imaginary confetti right quick, as he opposes, dead straight across at the Descendant, reminding one and all of grim realities. Nurse Cindy does her level best to intrude some yeasty effect of encouragement because Chiron (the wounded healer) is parallel Mars in Pisces. That is, you will remember, Cindy's own Mars. This would be done by birthday card and letter, sent timely.
You may recall that in the run up to trial, the prisoner will occupy herself with a makeover, which seemed ironic considering the gravity of her circumstances. But that is what she will do and we are now inured to the chameleon changes already test run. The new & improved final result may be somewhat subtle, more of the end product of a continuum.
She feels the need to focus on this today but the planets are not with her. Saturn opposes her Venus and squares her Moon. By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
Meanwhile, she would like to fix George & Cindy a sandwich for their roles in caging her at DORML-12.
nanny1
03-19-2011, 04:19 PM
At dawn, Mercury conjunct Jupiter rose in Orlando today. The atmosphere on the jail floor effused the influence of those cheery planets and the mood among staff and inmates was therefore chirpy. This was contagious and floated into Cell F. That is pretty much the sum of the birthday good tidings for Inmate 08200810.
Saturn settles the imaginary confetti right quick, as he opposes, dead straight across at the Descendant, reminding one and all of grim realities. Nurse Cindy does her level best to intrude some yeasty effect of encouragement because Chiron (the wounded healer) is parallel Mars in Pisces. That is, you will remember, Cindy's own Mars. This would be done by birthday card and letter, sent timely.
You may recall that in the run up to trial, the prisoner will occupy herself with a makeover, which seemed ironic considering the gravity of her circumstances. But that is what she will do and we are now inured to the chameleon changes already test run. The new & improved final result may be somewhat subtle, more of the end product of a continuum.
She feels the need to focus on this today but the planets are not with her. Saturn opposes her Venus and squares her Moon. By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
Meanwhile, she would like to fix George & Cindy a sandwich for their roles in caging her at DORML-12.
Would that be a knuckle Sandwich.. lol
salvarenga
03-19-2011, 09:02 PM
At dawn, Mercury conjunct Jupiter rose in Orlando today. The atmosphere on the jail floor effused the influence of those cheery planets and the mood among staff and inmates was therefore chirpy. This was contagious and floated into Cell F. That is pretty much the sum of the birthday good tidings for Inmate 08200810.
Saturn settles the imaginary confetti right quick, as he opposes, dead straight across at the Descendant, reminding one and all of grim realities. Nurse Cindy does her level best to intrude some yeasty effect of encouragement because Chiron (the wounded healer) is parallel Mars in Pisces. That is, you will remember, Cindy's own Mars. This would be done by birthday card and letter, sent timely.
You may recall that in the run up to trial, the prisoner will occupy herself with a makeover, which seemed ironic considering the gravity of her circumstances. But that is what she will do and we are now inured to the chameleon changes already test run. The new & improved final result may be somewhat subtle, more of the end product of a continuum.
She feels the need to focus on this today but the planets are not with her. Saturn opposes her Venus and squares her Moon. By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
Meanwhile, she would like to fix George & Cindy a sandwich for their roles in caging her at DORML-12.
Regarding this transformation.....I follow the Orlando Sentinel reporter's on Twitter and lately they've been posting little "did you know" type facts about ICA..... the last one was that ICA is allowed scissors to cut her own hair. Oh I can't wait to see what she comes up with next......NOT! LOL
LiveLaughLuv
03-20-2011, 10:59 AM
Check the media thread! HHJBP has ruled ALL of ICA's statements are coming in to trial!
Still waiting on the actual order but the story is up on the Wesh site!
Just had to add....what a great birthday present for her! I'm sure she's thrilled! LOL
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27242068/detail.html
Above link is His Honors orders denying the defendant's motion...there's no time stamp...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
FifthEssence
03-20-2011, 12:07 PM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27242068/detail.html
Above link is His Honors orders denying the defendant's motion...there's no time stamp...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
:gthanks:
We appreciate your contribution and understanding of our need for dates and times.
The news & listed ORDERS are currently in our TIME-STAMPED MEDIA Thread .
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3
Frigga
03-20-2011, 08:49 PM
Fifth, sorry for the off topic remark, but that is THE cutest smiley I've seen yet!
LiveLaughLuv
03-21-2011, 09:40 AM
At dawn, Mercury conjunct Jupiter rose in Orlando today. The atmosphere on the jail floor effused the influence of those cheery planets and the mood among staff and inmates was therefore chirpy. This was contagious and floated into Cell F. That is pretty much the sum of the birthday good tidings for Inmate 08200810.
Saturn settles the imaginary confetti right quick, as he opposes, dead straight across at the Descendant, reminding one and all of grim realities. Nurse Cindy does her level best to intrude some yeasty effect of encouragement because Chiron (the wounded healer) is parallel Mars in Pisces. That is, you will remember, Cindy's own Mars. This would be done by birthday card and letter, sent timely.
You may recall that in the run up to trial, the prisoner will occupy herself with a makeover, which seemed ironic considering the gravity of her circumstances. But that is what she will do and we are now inured to the chameleon changes already test run. The new & improved final result may be somewhat subtle, more of the end product of a continuum.
She feels the need to focus on this today but the planets are not with her. Saturn opposes her Venus and squares her Moon. By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
Meanwhile, she would like to fix George & Cindy a sandwich for their roles in caging her at DORML-12.
Thank you, Tuba...I am just trying to be helpful so I'll watch what I post for you in order to do your charts....I thank you all for all that you do for victims of crime...
I don't see the clothes being picked out for the prisoner is court appropriate but hey, that's just me...Lets see what she transforms into...again...
Wanting to give her parents a sandwich...so she blames them for her imprisonment? Does it have to do with the various media interveiws or due to CA calling the police on July 15, 2008? Doesn't she understand how all her mistruths are what got that rolling???
I see that His Honor did mention that (media interviews) in his order denying the defenses motion on suppressing important statements...JMHO
Justice for Caylee
Prisoner is right at the tip edge of the thousand foot drop now, so every damning fact looms in a way that's scarier and those facts are referenced in court now, even by her own attorneys. Some facts originate with her parents and they were not supposed to notice the reek of death that knocked them endways, that her daughter had been missing for thirty-one days and they didn't give her that "one more day". That the car was abandoned at Amscot. If they did notice, they were supposed to keep it to themselves. "Don't they realise they jeopardise my very own life?"
How much does it take for Prisoner to ball up her fist in fury and raise it against you? We are dealing with Mercury square Mars with Uranus. It takes reaching for a gas can in the trunk.
salvarenga
03-21-2011, 10:20 AM
Prisoner is right at the tip edge of the thousand foot drop now, so every damning fact looms in a way that's scarier and those facts are referenced in court now, even by her own attorneys. Some facts originate with her parents and they were not supposed to notice the reek of death that knocked them endways, that her daughter had been missing for thirty-one days and they didn't give her that "one more day". That the car was abandoned at Amscot. If they did notice, they were supposed to keep it to themselves. "Don't they realise they jeopardise my very own life?"
How much does it take for Prisoner to ball up her fist in fury and raise it against you? We are dealing with Mercury square Mars with Uranus. It takes reaching for a gas can in the trunk.
I'm thinking with the Frye Hearings looming this week. She's bound to have plenty of "make him stop" moments awaiting her. She's up against nothing but the cold, heart facts now. She's at the end of that hallway again only this time they are locking the door and making her listen.
sassy_texasbelle2
03-21-2011, 03:53 PM
Prisoner is right at the tip edge of the thousand foot drop now, so every damning fact looms in a way that's scarier and those facts are referenced in court now, even by her own attorneys. Some facts originate with her parents and they were not supposed to notice the reek of death that knocked them endways, that her daughter had been missing for thirty-one days and they didn't give her that "one more day". That the car was abandoned at Amscot. If they did notice, they were supposed to keep it to themselves. "Don't they realise they jeopardise my very own life?"
How much does it take for Prisoner to ball up her fist in fury and raise it against you? We are dealing with Mercury square Mars with Uranus. It takes reaching for a gas can in the trunk.
Maybe someone can slip in behind her and say BOO!:great:
salvarenga
03-22-2011, 10:48 AM
Barry Logan, PhD from NMS Labs is who the Defense is going to attempt to use to discredit Dr. Voss's "sniffer stuff" (JB's quote, not mine LOL). The complete deposition is listed in the main CMA thread. I just didn't know if the dates and times of his deposition would be helpful in any charting so I am posting them here.
Dr. Logan was in Willow Grove, PA and appeared via the Internet for his deposition on March 9th. Per the transcript, his deposition started at 1:01pm and ended at 3:15pm. IMO, he appeared less than credible and/or knowledgeable so I am curious to know if a chart for his deposition would tell us anything. I tried and could not find his DOB.
BTW, I am curious b/c he was forced to resign as part of a controversy in deficiencies in testing for forensic toxicology (DUI, specifically) for Washington State back in 2008. He now works for a private lab, NMS. (Also documented in the main CMA thread)
If this isn't relevant or helpful, feel free to delete.
We'll see what the stars say about his criticism of Dr. Voss's work. I plan to use his actual location at Willow Grove for the chart and thank you for that.
Jersey*Girl
03-22-2011, 12:22 PM
To my knowledge, that site is not allowed to be linked here at WS.
Please don't copy and paste from there either.
FACTUAL/confirmed information is welcome along with the link to back it up.
Of course we would be most interested in items that include confirmed dates and times.
Be brief, a couple lines max, when making a notation as to the article's subject matter when providing links.
Hope this answered your inquiry.
*good to see you again Jerseygirl
ETA: Go over to our TIME-STAMPED MEDIA Thread and read the article.
State Senator say 'funding NOT a concern.'
Thank you, Fifth. I've popped in to lurk but it was on my phone as I was away. I'm home now & I saved some of the pictures on my computer, as well as a couple of links. I will say this: It's Interesting. Please give me some time to get it together & I'll post.
BTW, is there an actual link that informs which sites are off limits? I seriously couldn't find one. I remember a long time ago, we would just type it out (the site's address) and if it wasn't allowed or blocked, then there would be "***" in it's place. It didn't do that when I typed in that web address.
BBSoon...
salvarenga
03-22-2011, 02:25 PM
Tuba -
Previously I had indicated that the JACS system listed a start time for the 3/23 hearings as 9AM. This was just posted on the murder docket listing:
03/22/2011 Notice of Hearing 3/23/11 at 8:30 am
Looks like they will start at 8:30AM instead. I don't know if that will affect your orginal chart or not but wanted to give you a heads up.
HHJBP usually rights a notice with the hearing agenda, etc. If that posts today, I will post it in the media thread.
STOP THE PRESSES, Now this update was just listed.
03/22/2011 Notice Cancellation of Hearing 3/23/11 at 8:30 am
Yes, the chart must be completely re-done. Crucial, particularly since the chart for the originally scheduled time has an early Ascendant. Even the rising Sign will change. I am on to the doctor's deposition now (Logan's), having finished reading it. If there were no budget constraints, this might warrant empaneling a petit jury of experts. The Dr. V is variously spelled Voss & Vass. Do we know what he prefers?
Yes, I think we had better pause for more information that we can trust. I did look at the time of 8:30 a.m. = 7:30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time and there was real trouble behind the scenes, Mars in House 12 late trined by the Moon in her FALL. Awaiting further reliable data.............................................. ............
salvarenga
03-22-2011, 05:19 PM
Yes, I think we had better pause for more information that we can trust. I did look at the time of 8:30 a.m. = 7:30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time and there was real trouble behind the scenes, Mars in House 12 late trined by the Moon in her FALL. Awaiting further reliable data.............................................. ............
Tuba -
I have an update. They were going to have an additional starting at 8:30AM regarding an Emergency Motion filed on Behalf of Yuri Melich. Baez had supoened him to testify and Yuri would have been waiting around at the courthouse for all 3 days. The Sheriff's Office attorney filed an Emergency Motion that he not be held but rather be put on stand by as to not waste the taxpayers money. This hearing was cancelled but the Frye hearings will still go on as planned for 9AM EST.
This was relayed to me via Twitter by correspondence with the WFTV Casey Anthony Twitter account.
Hope this clears it up!
Sal
Thank you very BIG! Okay, then this chart continues valid:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #14
LambChop
03-22-2011, 07:51 PM
Yes, the chart must be completely re-done. Crucial, particularly since the chart for the originally scheduled time has an early Ascendant. Even the rising Sign will change. I am on to the doctor's deposition now (Logan's), having finished reading it. If there were no budget constraints, this might warrant empaneling a petit jury of experts. The Dr. V is variously spelled Voss & Vass. Do we know what he prefers?
I believe RHornsby refers to him as Vass.
momshrink
03-22-2011, 08:46 PM
Prisoner is right at the tip edge of the thousand foot drop now, so every damning fact looms in a way that's scarier and those facts are referenced in court now, even by her own attorneys. Some facts originate with her parents and they were not supposed to notice the reek of death that knocked them endways, that her daughter had been missing for thirty-one days and they didn't give her that "one more day". That the car was abandoned at Amscot. If they did notice, they were supposed to keep it to themselves. "Don't they realise they jeopardise my very own life?"
How much does it take for Prisoner to ball up her fist in fury and raise it against you? We are dealing with Mercury square Mars with Uranus. It takes reaching for a gas can in the trunk.
Tuba, you are always so accurate!
From Channel 13 news Orlando:
The defense also wants to add two more people to the list – well-known psychiatrist Dr. Danzinger and a Boca Raton doctor.
The defense wants them to testify concerning Anthony's state of mind now that Judge Belvin Perry has ruled statements made by the young mother could be used against her at her trial.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/221805/Casey-Anthonys-defense-wants-assistant-state-attorney-to-testify
Hope I did this correctly - first time to quote/link
Dr. Barry Logan answered questions over hours on March 9, speaking from Willow Grove, PA. He did not challenge the concepts behind the chloroform findings but faulted Dr. Vass for not providing his methodology & standard operating procedures. This is not to say they were lacking in the testing, merely that they were not outlined or described. That vacuum may well be filled when Dr. Vass takes the stand. Dr. Logan did not say, "This is junk science!" Nor did he say, "This is not science." Now he may have been more damning in the written report the attorney held in his hand but based on the deposition, no.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/DeponentfromNMSLabsPenn001.jpg
I believe RHornsby refers to him as Vass.
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Hi LambChop and Tuba.It is Vass,Arpad.I read over there at the Farm all the time.:seeya:
P,S. O googled JP Chatt.I found his blog.I think he started it in 2006.He said he was 22 years,still in college,planning more schooling.His birthday is Dec.10..I will look some more to see if I can at least find the year.I saw a pic of him and a girl,swear his T shirt said IRELAND!!
sassy_texasbelle2
03-23-2011, 01:43 AM
Tuba, you are always so accurate!
From Channel 13 news Orlando:
The defense also wants to add two more people to the list – well-known psychiatrist Dr. Danzinger and a Boca Raton doctor.
The defense wants them to testify concerning Anthony's state of mind now that Judge Belvin Perry has ruled statements made by the young mother could be used against her at her trial.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/221805/Casey-Anthonys-defense-wants-assistant-state-attorney-to-testify
Hope I did this correctly - first time to quote/link
Tuba, you as always are amazing with your post on ICA. I bet that 1000 foot drop is getting deeper by the day!
WFTV cut off the sound from the court room before Judge Perry announced how long a lunch break the room is taking. If you were watching another website or televised program of Frye, maybe you could give notice.
cherishtoo
03-23-2011, 12:37 PM
WFTV cut off the sound from the court room before Judge Perry announced how long a lunch break the room is taking. If you were watching another website or televised program of Frye, maybe you could give notice.
Lunch until 1:30p Grab a bite and come back!
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 11:04 AM
For my part, I would never question a human remains detection expert like Bones. He has attended far more seminars (40+) than I ever have or will. Although I have heard him lecture and he was most impressive. Face to face he offers much more than even his credentials and training.
The prisoner puzzles some onlookers with her constant page turning and note taking, writing scribbling, billets doux. The Team has probably suggested she write as a way of maintaining control. We have seen her lose it. She also likes to "direct" her defense, of course, CEO that she is. But in addition to all of this, it is more and more obvious that she does not want to confront the witnesses or the prosecutors. Even when she is stumped for words to write, she looks down and away--anything but face them.
FifthEssence
03-23-2011, 06:59 PM
Regarding thes 1st day of FRYE hearings, TUBA wrote beneath the Chart in post 675 dated 3/17/11:
The SCORPIO Moon, in her FALL, SQUARES VENUS and shortly, NEPTUNE.
This assures that the hearing will not only see frank contention but either incivility & rudeness or both.
The Team will wheel out an unreliable witness before all is said and done. No one will be fooled. Not the courtroom, not the State, not the public. An embarrassment.
As mentioned, House 8 & 9 are SAGITTARIUS, ruled by JUPITER at a critical degree of Cardinal ARIES. There are too many provocations against sound evidence and sound science. It is all overdone and badly received. See the reserve and rejection of SATURN, opposite.
The Judge does not favor expansive challenges to sound evidence & the Defense largely strikes out.
Although JP has not ruled on anything today, it seems the Defense was actually helping out the Prosecution. Their Canadian ANnthropologist 'expert' witness was embarrassing as he too diminished the Defense' argument.
Baez got smacked once again for insulting LDB and some lunatic entered the CourtRoom shouting out something about God and Japan. The honorable Judge gave an order, OUT!!!!!
It appears the Defense struck OUT as well.
Thanks TUBA!
ETA**Also noted regarding the Mother of The Year: By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
There isn't any color in the rainbow that will 'soften' her ice cold unemotional energy.
PINK didn't do the trick today.
LambChop
03-23-2011, 07:13 PM
For my part, I would never question a human remains detection expert like Bones. He has attended far more seminars (40+) than I ever have or will. Although I have heard him lecture and he was most impressive. Face to face he offers much more than even his credentials and training.
Okay I know that you know Bones is a dog. And I know I know Bones is a dog but I'm confused on him lecturing part. What I think you are saying is Bones may be called upon to demonstate his talents (oopps, I have a Boarder Collie so what I meant to say is "his job")?
At the afternoon hearing, questions and answers referred to what Bones said, and what he says at various times. So I am having a little fun with that. He really has attended forty seminars. And taken an active part. Few of us can say that.
Some members of the public are noticing that Prisoner looks sour at the table. Today, Mars was dead bang on her Mercury, which is already by birth square her own Mars and Uranus. These members of the public are perceptive! Sometimes the angle of light hit her in 3/4 profile and hollows beneath her eyes could not be concealed by make-up, although not generally noticeable. The planets tell us she resents her predicament bitterly & is coming unhinged but we've known that for a long time.
LambChop
03-23-2011, 08:00 PM
At the afternoon hearing, questions and answers referred to what Bones said, and what he says at various times. So I am having a little fun with that. He really has attended forty seminars. And taken an active part. Few of us can say that.
Some members of the public are noticing that Prisoner looks sour at the table. Today, Mars was dead bang on her Mercury, which is already by birth square her own Mars and Uranus. These members of the public are perceptive! Sometimes the angle of light hit her in 3/4 profile and hollows beneath her eyes could not be concealed by make-up, although not generally noticeable. The planets tell us she resents her predicament bitterly & is coming unhinged but we've known that for a long time.
Well I'm glad it wasn't me who misunderstood. lol Yes, Bones I'm sure is proud to do his job.
I remember what you said about KC and she did seem very annoyed today and it was mentioned that JB approached HHJP about her and I was wondering if she asked to be excused from further hearings. She does not want to be there. She looks very uncomfortable. And it will only get worse for her. jmo
The final five minutes of the hearings, I had to deal with interference and have the sound turned off but it looked like what you describe. So Jose Baez approached the bench about her intolerance of these proceedings? Yes, Prisoner wanted out of there. I don't see how she can avoid the further prosecution of her case. If she is not there, she can later complain that such & such happened & use that as grounds for an appeal. That is why her presence is required, for the good of one and all. Strickland also articulated that principle to her and to the attorneys. If she didn't wear the mask and pretend impassivity, the struggle inside would not be as violent. But that too, is how she wants to play it, as though this were anything to play at.
salvarenga
03-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Regarding thes 1st day of FRYE hearings, TUBA wrote beneath the Chart in post 675 dated 3/17/11:
The SCORPIO Moon, in her FALL, SQUARES VENUS and shortly, NEPTUNE.
This assures that the hearing will not only see frank contention but either incivility & rudeness or both.
The Team will wheel out an unreliable witness before all is said and done. No one will be fooled. Not the courtroom, not the State, not the public. An embarrassment.
As mentioned, House 8 & 9 are SAGITTARIUS, ruled by JUPITER at a critical degree of Cardinal ARIES. There are too many provocations against sound evidence and sound science. It is all overdone and badly received. See the reserve and rejection of SATURN, opposite.
The Judge does not favor expansive challenges to sound evidence & the Defense largely strikes out.
Although JP has not ruled on anything today, it seems the Defense was actually helping out the Prosecution. Their Canadian ANnthropologist 'expert' witness was embarrassing as he too diminished the Defense' argument.
Baez got smacked once again for insulting LDB and some lunatic entered the CourtRoom shouting out something about God and Japan. The honorable Judge gave an order, OUT!!!!!
It appears the Defense struck OUT as well.
Thanks TUBA!
ETA**Also noted regarding the Mother of The Year: By the first Frye hearing, though, transit Venus will be at solstice point to her Pluto, and the early stage of transformation will be underway.
There isn't any color in the rainbow that will 'soften' her ice cold unemotional energy.
PINK didn't do the trick today.
Well her makeover went a little off track with that deep V cut neckline:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011%20Hearing/March%2023/testifiesfromdefensetable.jpg
LambChop
03-23-2011, 08:47 PM
Well her makeover went a little off track with that deep V cut neckline:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011%20Hearing/March%2023/testifiesfromdefensetable.jpg
Well, KC can't shop so she is stuck with whatever they decide to give her to wear. My guess is she was not too happy with that shirt today, either.
LambChop
03-23-2011, 09:32 PM
When the judge was lecturing JB about those 5,000 pages and JB mentioned background checks. HHJP then asked JB if he had used his PI to get the background information. Not sure JB gave him a straight answer because JB laughed about it. Judge Perry did not laugh and seemed concerned. This was towards the end.
Tuba, you as always are amazing with your post on ICA. I bet that 1000 foot drop is getting deeper by the day!
Okay I know that you know Bones is a dog. And I know I know Bones is a dog but I'm confused on him lecturing part. What I think you are saying is Bones may be called upon to demonstate his talents (oopps, I have a Boarder Collie so what I meant to say is "his job")?
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I watched todays hearing.I think Bones the dog has more education and brains than J..Sorry I just had to! :floorlaugh:
marlame
03-24-2011, 06:45 AM
Well her makeover went a little off track with that deep V cut neckline:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011%20Hearing/March%2023/testifiesfromdefensetable.jpg
:goodpost:
I 100% agree!! :yuck: I wish someone on her legal team would have told her to button a couple buttons. :shakehead:
But then again we all know how Miss ICA likes to show it off...I still can't get those shocking images of her partying for the 31 days before sweet, innocent Caylee was finally reported missing. :sick:
Oh that's right...she was conducting her own investigation :puke:
JMHO :innocent:
LambChop
03-24-2011, 07:53 AM
:goodpost:
I 100% agree!! :yuck: I wish someone on her legal team would have told her to button a couple buttons. :shakehead:
But then again we all know how Miss ICA likes to show it off.
To be fair to KC, it is buttoned to the top button. It's just the new style of clothes today. Some shirts are just too revealing. She just needs a new shopper.
FifthEssence
03-24-2011, 08:17 AM
FRYE HEARING - Day 2 will be live streamed by both WFTV.com and WESH.com.
I believe 9AM is the scheduled time.
Oldsoul2
03-24-2011, 10:58 AM
Did anyone notice yesterday that Judge Perry looked, how should I say this.....annoyed, irritated, as the defense went on. He didn't even look up! I guess he's tired of the BS arguments against a science that has been used for centuries and doesn't see the validity in KC getting special treatment as we and the whole world does not!
FifthEssence
03-24-2011, 12:17 PM
I read out in the main forum by Salvarenga:
Motion for Rehearing on Orders Denying Motions to Suppress on the docket for 3/24.
If so, can we get a copy? Hopefully there is a date and time of submission from the Defense or date and time the County Clerk recorded it.
Thank you.
Websleuths, I am remembering Karen Lowe FBI, Yuri Melich, Fairgrieve, Deputy Brewer from day one, March 23 but I'm leaving out a witness. Anyone have a list from yesterday?
LambChop
03-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Websleuths, I am remembering Karen Lowe FBI, Yuri Melich, Fairgrieve, Deputy Brewer from day one, March 23 but I'm leaving out a witness. Anyone have a list from yesterday?
The two CSI investigators who recovered samples from the backyard where the dogs hits. Gerardo Bloise was one but I can't remember the name of the other gentleman.
FifthEssence
03-24-2011, 03:56 PM
I read out in the main forum by Salvarenga:
Motion for Rehearing on Orders Denying Motions to Suppress on the docket for 3/24.
If so, can we get a copy? Hopefully there is a date and time of submission from the Defense or date and time the County Clerk recorded it.
Thank you.
WESH.com just put it up!
Recorded in County clerk's office on 3/24/11 @10:53am
(signed by Cheney Mason)
salvarenga
03-24-2011, 04:32 PM
WESH.com just put it up!
Recorded in County clerk's office on 3/24/11 @10:53am
(signed by Cheney Mason)
Oh Tuba! I can't wait to read your chart and comments on this one! No wonder Mason didn't show his face in court today!
salvarenga
03-24-2011, 05:34 PM
They did not finish the hearings today. According to HHJBP, they will finish these hearings starting Friday, April 1st at 8:30AM...."be prepared to work late and if we do not finish we will finish on Saturday, April 2nd starting at 8:30AM".
LiveLaughLuv
03-24-2011, 05:41 PM
I read out in the main forum by Salvarenga:
Motion for Rehearing on Orders Denying Motions to Suppress on the docket for 3/24.
If so, can we get a copy? Hopefully there is a date and time of submission from the Defense or date and time the County Clerk recorded it.
Thank you.
Motion dated 3/24/2010 10:53am
Motion for rehearing on orders denying motions to suppress
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/27311684/detail.html
salvarenga
03-24-2011, 05:54 PM
Tuba - Were you able to watch the hearing today?
I am drained as for two days, like many Websleuths, have done nothing but watch the hearings! I did miss the extension today, that went from 5 thro 5:30 p.m. but saw & heard every word otherwise.
LambChop
03-24-2011, 07:10 PM
Michael Vincent was the other CSI investigator who testified yesterday.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/MotiontoRehearSuppression001.jpg
Gemini II is a dual Ascendant. Although the Moon is indeed within the Sun Sign of J. Cheney-Mason, it was at the urging of Prisoner and The Team that he composed this motion. You see that the inducement came from others in Moon's position not in House 1 of the self but in House 7 of the other(s) but this is not to say he isn't fired to do this, he is.
Mercury rules both the Ascendant here and also the House of risk taking but is slowing to turn round and retrograde. This represents a change of mind but perhaps several flip flops. Look at that out of bounds Moon, sailing through the night winds, ready to take a dare. One thing we know for a dead cert, it is the fickle Moon who rules not only the near future, House 2 but also House 3 of impassioned argument and orations. At the denouement of all of this is surrender, renunciation by Defense, if Judge Perry exercises his mutual reception.
LambChop
03-24-2011, 09:09 PM
I think this court was bitten my Mr. Mason once and that was enough with Judge Strickland. I would hope that JP would suggest to Mr. Mason what maybe he should buy a pair of boots that fit. Grumpy Old Men, comes to mind.
FifthEssence
03-24-2011, 09:16 PM
All of the RAW VIDEO from today is over in the TIME-STAMPED Thread.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3
According to the Orlando Sentinel news, Court administration spokeswoman Karen Levey said she expects Perry to enter an order on the new motion early Friday.
Please, Sleuths, bring your impressions so we can have discussion. One thing I am almost embarrassed to post is a perception I had in the hearing Prisoner was forced to attend, the suppression hearings before Frye. Mr. Mason repeatedly described her as "this child" and this "young girl" and while he was infantilising her, I saw a transformation in her face. She began to take that on. Since the female planets were early at that hearing, the Moon a teenager and Venus only six, I can believe what I saw, remarkable as it is.
LambChop
03-24-2011, 10:22 PM
I also noticed something today, also. KC was sitting next to AF who was to her right and KC laid her head down on her right forearm very close to where AF was sitting. I think KC respects AF and looks at her as if she were a mother type figure.
Khaki_Pants
03-24-2011, 10:53 PM
I am speechless after watching todays hearings.....
I am disturbed by our legal system if this is any kind of "normalcy" we can expect from lawyers. I have never seen such a bad example. It does not seem real! I feal like I went down "the rabbit hole."
I am mystified.
JMO
~Khaki
Khaki_Pants
03-24-2011, 11:04 PM
Sorry to double post but I have a question...
Is there any way to determine if ICA will keep JB as an attorney til' the end? It may have been discussed already and I missed it, but I was curious as times goes on if she will see he is doing a bad job.
Thanks,
~Khaki
salvarenga
03-24-2011, 11:15 PM
I am on my Blackberry and will write more when I can get a my actual computer but one thing that stood out to me big time......
When HHJBP literally got down on his knees and crawled beneath his bench to get to his printer to get copies of a handout that JB should have had available for everyone......I knew without a doubt His Honor WILL NOT let justice be delayed for sweet Caylee. This trial will start on time. If they have to hold hearings every night and weekend till the day it starts....this trial will start on time and HHJBP will make sure of it.
If the prisoner were to jettison the lead attorney, as an indigent she could not hire her choice among the Florida Bar. She would have the remainder of The Team or a public defender. Any decision like that should be made early, early in the proceedings for many reasons. She chose Jose Baez and retained him with a rubber check.
Dr. Vass said he was "to be honest with you, tired." I think matters over this day went from bad to worse. Now Jose Baez did not seem less and less energetic, as others flagged but it was more difficult for him to cohere all the fragments of this unwieldy case as the afternoon wore on.
Carolina Girl
03-25-2011, 12:13 AM
While I can not touch what the rest of you see, and interpret. I think that KC has adopted her lawyers as her Family that protects her. Her Biological Parents mean nothing to her anymore, nor her Brother. She has taken the roll of Paralegal here. Someone else is on trial for doing a horrible deed. But it has nothing to do with HER! She has no remorse and never will.
I am in awe of you all that read the charts. Thank you all so much.
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