Darlie Routier Loses Another Appeal

[Jeana (DP)]

Judge rejects another appeal by Darlie Routier

The judge who presided over Darlie Routier's 1997 death-penalty trial rejected the convicted child-killer's second appeal in a ruling released Wednesday.

More than two years after the writ appeal was filed by Ms. Routier's defense team, state District Judge Robert Francis found that the former Rowlett homemaker now on death row got a fair trial.

"The Applicant has failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence ... that anyone other than the Applicant was responsible or involved in the murders," Judge Francis wrote.

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One of Ms. Routier's appellate attorneys, J. Stephen Cooper, said he was not surprised by the findings because the judge indicated in January that he would not hear court arguments on the matter.

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He said a federal appeal is possible if the state appeals court agrees with the judge's findings and rejects the appeal.

An earlier appeal based on the fact that errors occurred during the trial also was rejected.

Ms. Routier was sentenced to death in 1997 for killing her 5-year-old son, Damon. She was also accused of killing her 6-year-old son, Devon, but was not tried for that death. She maintains that an intruder stabbed the boys before stabbing her in her Rowlett home.

The appeal challenged Ms. Routier's conviction by claiming a wide range of errors and mishandling by the original trial attorneys and prosecutors, including the following:

One bloody fingerprint was not analyzed properly and could have supported a defense claim that Ms. Routier's children were fatally stabbed by an unknown intruder. Judge Francis ruled that a fingerprint analyst used by the defense team used methodology that was "not sound" and that trial testimony about the print was accurate.

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The intruder theory was buffeted by information that Ms. Routier's husband, Darin Routier, had searched for someone to stage a burglary of the house to collect insurance money. Judge Francis found no evidence that the slayings were part of a burglary.

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The judge also concluded that the defense team had mounted an adequate defense during the trial.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080504dnmetdarlie.165bd.html

[Casshew]

Jeana ~ your buddy Darlie, she just does not give up!

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana ~ your buddy Darlie, she just does not give up!

Death row has NOT been kind to Darlie Routier. She looks absolutely horrible in that photograph. Hopefully, she's starting to get some idea about how the state feels about women who murder their children in their sleep.

[camillllla]

I just want to introduce myself, I am Camilla, one of the Darlie posters from Mary's Guilty as Charged forum at Delphi.

I know Darlie is guilty, but it was a long process for me to arrive to that conclusion, to be sure.
If anyone needs some help with understanding the evidence, especially blood, Ill do my best to explain what I know.

:)

c

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks for coming over Camilla. I'm hoping to get the discussion going once the Peterson case wraps up. Between the end of that case and the Lori Hackings murder trial (if there even is one), we'll need a good case to talk about. In the meantime, please feel free to post any links or other information that might get things started.

We've also got some posters here that are interested in the West Memphis Three case. Do you know of that one?

[Ivy]

The blood droplets pointing downward on the back of Darlie's shirt are certainly inculpatory. So is the fact that she changed her stories regarding the so-called attacker. So is the fact that despite her apparent hysteria, she made sure to tell the 911 operator that she'd handled the knife and that her fingerprints might be on it.

And that's just for starters.

She did it.

[deputylinda]

the link wanted me to register...i'd love to see the photo. anyway...i have always been interested in this case also. look forward to more discussion. i wonder if a death warrant will be signed now?

[JC422]

Hi, all! I would love to participate in a discussion about Darlie. I followed her case, although not as closely as some I am following now....I saw a commercial on Court TV that they are airing a Darlie Routier special tomorrow night (8/15) at 10PM, EST. It may just be more of the same, but I am going to plan on watching it. Have a good weekend!

[AuntieKaren]

Thanks for coming over Camilla. I'm hoping to get the discussion going once the Peterson case wraps up. Between the end of that case and the Lori Hackings murder trial (if there even is one), we'll need a good case to talk about. In the meantime, please feel free to post any links or other information that might get things started.

We've also got some posters here that are interested in the West Memphis Three case. Do you know of that one?

Jeana--
Sorry if this is obvious to most--I am still new around here and don't know many details about posters, but do you think Darlie is guilty or innocent?
Thanks--
Karen

[deputylinda]

i was reading over at that other board...and got the impression from some posters that darlie has now filed habeas corpus implying that she has a suddenly- recalled repressed memory that her husband did it. ..anyone know details on this?

[Jeana (DP)]

The blood droplets pointing downward on the back of Darlie's shirt are certainly inculpatory. So is the fact that she changed her stories regarding the so-called attacker. So is the fact that despite her apparent hysteria, she made sure to tell the 911 operator that she'd handled the knife and that her fingerprints might be on it.

And that's just for starters.

She did it.



You're right Ivy. And she didn't just "change her stories." She told 13 different stories. The woman never shed a wet tear UNTIL she did a behind prison walls interview after her conviction.

[Jeana (DP)]

the link wanted me to register...i'd love to see the photo. anyway...i have always been interested in this case also. look forward to more discussion. i wonder if a death warrant will be signed now?


She's about two years behind in the appeals process because of the transcript errors. We always thought that her best bet at getting a new trial would have been those errors. Once her appeal on that issue failed, I knew that the rest would as well.

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana--
Sorry if this is obvious to most--I am still new around here and don't know many details about posters, but do you think Darlie is guilty or innocent?
Thanks--
Karen


Karen, she's definately guilty. I lived just across the lake from that family during the time of the murders. I remember being so scared that my children's beds and crib were moved into my bedroom. No one was more surprised than me when she was arrested. However, I know the assistant prosecutor in Darlie's case and know for a fact that they did a very thorough investigation - there is no way an "intruder(s)" did it.

[Jeana (DP)]

i was reading over at that other board...and got the impression from some posters that darlie has now filed habeas corpus implying that she has a suddenly- recalled repressed memory that her husband did it. ..anyone know details on this?


Nothing new Linda. Darlie found a supporter who was willing to pay legal fees, but the guy thought that Darin had to have done it and Darlie just didn't remember it. So, he arranged for Darin to take a lie detector test. Darin failed misserably. However, depending on which of the 13 versions you believe that came out of Darlie's mouth, she saw who did it and it wasn't Darin. She wrote a letter from jail while awaiting trial saying so. When confronted on the witness stand during her trial with that letter, she apparently broke down on the stand and was unable to continue testifying. Toby Shook tore her down completely. She didn't understand that anything she sent out of that prison was being monitored.

Moreover, after Darlie's conviction, her family started a website, as many do. One day I left a comment on the guestbook and started up a correspondence with Darlie's mother. It lasted a couple of months and we were pretty cordial to one another, even though she knew I believed in Darlie's guilt and want her executed. She told me in an e-mail that Darlie and Darin had a huge fight the night of the murders and Darlie asked Darin for a separation. I promised her I wouldn't tell anyone the nature of our conversations that kept that promise until I found out that she was trying to spread horrible lies about me. Then, I told everyone what Darlie Kee told me about that night and the fight and Darlie asking for a separation. She denied it for years. Then, Darin finally admitted it himself. All those dozens of supporters of Darlie's who believed Darlie Kee without hesitation started to hesitate. They wanted to know why they were being lied to by Darlie's family. I think it lost Darlie a lot of support - and rightfully so.

We knew from that day on that it was just a matter of time before they tried to save Darlie from drowning by using Darin as a life preserver. Unfortunately for Darlie, Darin stated to the presss that although he wanted to help his wife, he wasn't willing to change places with her. I've also heard from a reliable source that while they would have liked to arrest Darin as well as Darlie because they think he's scum, they simply didn't have any evidence that he was connected to the crime.

Darlie cannot win either way. If she implicates Darin in any of the crime or cover up, it will prove that she lied, but it won't negate the fact that they had mounds of evidence against her. If she says nothing, she still dies and he still walks free. If he comes out with all he knows, she still dies, and he may face some sort of trouble for whatever part he played in all this, but if they didn't have enough evidence to bring charges against him back when the evidence and investigation were fresh, I seriously doubt that they'll have anything to use against him now, even if Darlie rolls on him.

[deputylinda]

thankyou so much for updating for me!! will you please post when death warrant is signed? of course that will go big-time like carla faye...female execution always does. thanks again! fascinating about her mother too. and darin's comment. ha.

[VespaElf]

Ive always been on the fence about Darlie mostly due to the fact I think her husband was involved/knows more than hes telling whiich is troubling.


I think discussing this case is a great idea!!!!!

[blueclouds]

there's a lot of unexplained things. I'm on the fence too. What about a bloody fingerprint that they cannot match to anyone? Why was so little of the boys blood found on Darlie's PJ'S? Her blood was UNDERNEATHE theirs on her shirt. She had a lot of blood on her but VERY LITTLE was the boys. Why would she slice her neck first and then the boys? Why is her cut on her throat from right to left when she's right handed? It would feel much more natural to slice your throat left to right instead.

Those and more are my unanswered questions. According to that book about the boys, there was more than one knife used to kill them. Thus an explanation was given as to why she was only charged with one, not two murders. Because the murder weapons were supposedly different.

I'll think of more questions later.
I'm convinced enough that there is a SLIGHT possibility that she may be innocent. Based on that, I don't think she should be on death row because of those questions.

[tuppence]

wouldn't they have tried to make her a deal to not pursue the death penalty if she gave them her husband? If she's still denying his involvement seems likely he's not involved but then who knows...

[Jeana (DP)]

there's a lot of unexplained things. I'm on the fence too. What about a bloody fingerprint that they cannot match to anyone? Why was so little of the boys blood found on Darlie's PJ'S? Her blood was UNDERNEATHE theirs on her shirt. She had a lot of blood on her but VERY LITTLE was the boys. Why would she slice her neck first and then the boys? Why is her cut on her throat from right to left when she's right handed? It would feel much more natural to slice your throat left to right instead.

Those and more are my unanswered questions. According to that book about the boys, there was more than one knife used to kill them. Thus an explanation was given as to why she was only charged with one, not two murders. Because the murder weapons were supposedly different.

I'll think of more questions later.
I'm convinced enough that there is a SLIGHT possibility that she may be innocent. Based on that, I don't think she should be on death row because of those questions.

I'll do my best to try and answer your questions, but Camilla is the "blood" lady. I'll email her and see if I can get her back here to help us out. The medical examiner never said that there were two knifes used. Also, only areas of the blade were tested. Her supporters want you to believe that this is the reason that she was only charged with one of the murders, but from what I've been told, its fairly common in these types of cases to leave a charge remaining in case there is a technicality. For example, Yates was only charged in the murder of three of her children, not all five. Same reason.

As for her neck, the prosecutor actually stood up in open court and demonstrated how easily it would be to cut her neck the way she did.

Its been said that Devon actually survived the first attack and tried to crawl to the front door and was attacked again, this time killing him. Its always been my contention that Darlie was at the wine rack cutting her neck and saw him trying to get away. She was already bleeding when she attacked him the second time.

Lets just for a second, say she's innocent. This is what happened:

Let's say you're in your family room with two of your kids and you wake up to someone walking away from the room and you follow him out. You discover that you've got blood on yourself and you turn around to find your children dying. The first thing you're going to want to do is call 911. She did that (eventually). The second thing you're going to want to do is to get some help (she also did that eventually), next what are you going to do? You're going to try and stop their bleeding, right? You're going to put pressure on their wounds. Once you realize, as Darlie did, that one or both of them are dying, you're going to hold them in your arms.

Darlie threw towels to her husband that she actually took the time to wet (for what we don't know) FROM THE OTHER ROOM. She never went near them. She never touched those boys. Even when the first officer arrived on the scene, Officer Waddell, TOLD her SEVERAL TIMES to put pressure on the wounds, she never touched them. She never held them. She never comforted them. Being a mother, that's the thing that always stuck with me. You'll hear a lot of people talk about the silly string video, about them playing "gansta rap" at the funeral or them burying the boys with knives in their coffin, but that doesn't bother me nearly as bad as the fact that Darlie stood there--just stood there and watched the lives drain out of her two babies. Explain to me how anyone could do that.

What it reminded me of is when you catch a kid with something they're not suppose to have or be doing and they try to distance themselves from it as quickly as possible. Darlie didn't want to get near them because she was guilty. She should have been covered with their blood because she was holding onto them for dear life and comforting them. She shouldn't have just had some dropplets on the back of her shirt from blood dripping from the knife while she prepared to plunge it in again and again and again.

[Jeana (DP)]

The following was put together by a poster who was known as Dasgal and/or Jon Galt. She's an ex-cop and someone I consider to be a friend. I'd invite her here to talk with us, but she's so sick of hearing the name Darlie that I'm afraid she'd shoot me. There are actually 16 different versions of Darlie's story, not the 13 I mentioned.


THE MANY STORIES OF DARLIE ROUTIER - TOLD BY THOSE WHO SHE TALKED TO OR HERSELF.

Story 1

Q. Okay. What did she say, or where was she when this all started?

A. She said that she was downstairs in her house, sleeping on the couch. And her two boys were downstairs and they had been watching TV, a big screen TV. And that what started waking her up was her little boy started crying.

Q. Okay. Did she say...where her husband was when all of this was going on?

A. She said that he was upstairs with her little baby.

Q. Okay. So she had been downstairs with her two boys watching TV?

A. Yes.

Q. And that what woke her up was her 5 year old crying?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. Then what did she say happened?

A. She said that her -- she felt a struggle like at her neck.

Q. Okay.

A. And the man started wrestling with her.

Q. Pokay. Did she say where she was w this struggle at her neck and the wrestling occurred?

A. She was on the couch.

Q. Okay. What's the next thing that she told you?

A. She said that she started yelling and that he ran off and he had dropped the knife and she picked it up.

Q. Okay. Did she say which way that he ran?

A. No, sir.

Q. Okay. Did she describe to you where she went to pick up the knife?

A. No.

Q. Did she tell you anything that happened when he was running away after she yelled out?

A. She said that he ran into a wine rack holder.

Q. Okay.

A. And that it made a big crack noise.

Q. He ran into a wine rack holder?

A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively).

Q. Okay. And, what happened when he ran into the wine rack holder?

A. Well, that's when she really think that's when she really started waking up. That's what she said.

Q. She heard a loud crack noise?

A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively).

Q. And then he dropped the knife; that right?

A. Um-hum. (Witness nodding head affirmatively).

Story 1

Q. Did she -- well, what's the next thing she told you?

Story 1

A. She said that she remembered that it was -- the knife came from her butcher block from her kitchen because it had a white handle on it.

Q. Okay. Now, were you asking her questions during this?

A. The only one that I asked her was how she knew it was hers. She said because it had a white handle.

Q. Oh, okay, regarding the knife?

A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively).

Q. What did she say she did then?

A. She turned the light on and she saw her two boys laying on the floor and she screamed. And she just, when she was telling me this, she just kept saying there was just blood everywhere. And then, she said her husband came downstairs, and that's when she had realized she had been stabbed. And he started doing CPR on the little boy and she called 911.

Q. Her husband came down after she screamed?

A. Um-hum.(Witness-nodding head affirmatively).

Q. And did CPR on the little boy?

A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively.)?

Q. And she called 911?

A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively.)

Q. Did she tell you anything else about what happened?

A. Well, she just said when her husband was doing CPR that he kept saying,"Hang in there, babies. Hang in there.,, And she said there was just blood everywhere.

Q. Okay. When she told you this story, what was her demeanor?

A. She was pretty calm when she was talking. I just remember looking at the cardiac monitor and her heart rate had gone up just a little bit.

Q. Okay. Was she crying at all when she she told you the story?

A. No, sir.

Q. Okay. Did you see her cry some during the night when you were with her?

A. I saw -- her eyes would get a little wet, but I never really saw tears-go-.down her face.

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Story 2
Q. What is the first version of the attack that the defendant gave to you? What did she first tell you happened out there on that evening?
A. Just that she had felt that Damon waking her up saying,"Mommie, Mommie, Mommie. And then she looks up over her and she sees a glimpse of this man going towards -- I don't know how, probably, maybe at the island, I don't know -- going from the kitchen, probably two to three seconds of a glimpse of this man going into the utility room and then gone.
Q. I want to make sure that -- I want to be clear about what you said. You said that she said that she felt Damon touch her?
A. Touch her on shoulder and he woke her up.
Q. Okay. And he was saying something to her?
A."Mommie, Mommie, Mommie.
Q. Okay. And, she then woke up and saw a man walking away through the kitchen?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he then walked into the utility room?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And, what did she say that she did as this man got up and walked away from her into the utility room?
A. She said that he had already gone out of the utility room, and then she went around towards him, and Damon was standing right beside her, and she asked him to stay back, and she walked across the room, across the kitchen, and when she looked down, there was a knife, and then, right there in the doorway, and she said that she reached down to pick it up and when she did, her neck just spewed blood all over the floor. That is when she realized she was cut.
Q. Okay.
A. And she walks back and turns on the light, and then she sees Devon face up, and then she just goes into hysterics.
Q. Okay.
A. Screaming,"Devon, Devon, Devon".
Q. Does that pretty much pick it up, where you start your statement, where you hear her saying, Devon Devon, Devon," you come downstairs; right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. When did she first tell you that story?
A. Probably at the hospital, or later that afternoon. I couldn't be in the room with her for longer than 10 or 15 minutes at a time.
Q. All right. So sometime in the afternoon of June the 6th?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And, I assume that you have talked with her since then about what happened out there that night, haven't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And in your discussions with her, has she ever told you a different version of what happened?

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Story 3
Q. Okay. Do you remember saying to her that you told Jamie Johnson that Darlie told you that she woke up because there was weight on her legs and the intruder supposedly was sitting on her legs? Do you remember telling Jamie Johnson that that is the version that your wife gave to you about this attack?
A. We didn't know if that was really true or not. We didn't know if that was a dream.
Q. Well, Jamie Johnson, when you discussed this incident with her, this was the version that you gave to Jamie Johnson, wasn't it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So, when you talked with Jamie Johnson, you didn't give her the correct version of what your wife had told you, did you?
A. We didn't know -- I mean I wasn't there when it happened, so I don't know what exactly happened. I just know what she told me and what she told me was that she woke up with Damon tugging on her.
Q. You never told that to Jamie Johnson though, did you?
A. I don't recall. About that Damon woke her up?
Q. Yes, sir.
A. I would think I would, that has never changed.
Q. Well, but as you sit there on the stand right now, you don't know whether you told her that or not, do you?
A. I don't know what I said to Jamie Johnson.
Q. Do you remember describing to Jaime Johnson how the attacker would have to cut Darlie's neck, and how he would have to get past her breasts in order to get at her neck? Do you remember telling Jamie Johnson that?
A. No, sir.
Q. And do you remember telling Jaime Johnson that your wife would have been face-to-face with this attacker?
A. No, sir.

[Jeana (DP)]

Story 4
Q. Mr. Routier, again going back to Coreen Wells, again, do you recall Coreen Wells is the individual, the lady that lives there at the house that you used to live at on Bond Street? Do you remember that?
A. Yes, sir, I didn't know her name.
Q. Right. Okay. Do you remember when you went over to talk with her on December the 3rd, in fact, you went into your wife's version of attack with Coreen Wells also, didn't you?
A. Well, I had a good talk with her.
Q. And it included what your wife had told you about the attack, correct?
A. I don't think she remembers any of the attack.
Q. Well, my question to you is: Did you tell Coreen Wells what your wife had related to you about the attack?
A. No.
Q. So, you did not tell Coreen Wells that the man was on top of her, and was intending to rape her when she woke up? You didn't tell Coreen Wells that?
A. That would be my assumption.
Q. From what your wife had told you?
A. No. My assumption of everything I know. I know everything about this case.
Q. Well, let me just ask you then: Did you tell Coreen Wells that the man was on top of your wife and was intending to rape her? Did you say that to Coreen Wells?
A. I said that could very well be.
Q. So that is a yes?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did also tell Coreen Wells that what they had read in the paper about the boys saving Darlie's life by waking her up was not true, and in fact, the boys didn't save her life?
A. I did not say that.
Q. Do you remember telling Coreen Wells that the boys couldn't save her life because their lungs had been collapsed by the stabbing?
A. No, sir, I did not say that.
Q. And do you remember telling Coreen Wells, in fact, that a pound man did this to Darlie?
A. No, sir.
Q. So those statements about the boys not saving her life, and about a pound man attacking Darlie, those statements aren't true, are they?
A. We know that Damon saved Darlie's life.
Q. Okay. Well, that is not what you told Coreen wells though, is it? I don't remember what I said to her.
Q. Well, that was a pretty long conversation that you had with her too, wasn't it?
A. Yes, we had a good talk.

Story 5
Q. What did she tell you?
A. She told us, at that time, that an intruder, and --- well -- she had awoken to find an intruder over her. She struggled with the intruder. She saw him with the knife. I asked her to describe this person, at which time she started to describe the person, and I asked her to stop for a minute and let's start from the very top of what he was wearing.
Q. Okay. What did she tell you?
A. She said that he was wearing a black cap.
Q. And I said,"Was the bill to the front of the face or was it turned around backwards?"
A. And, she said the bill was to the front.
Q. Okay.,
A. I asked her if she remembered seeing any writing on it. She didn't see any writing or no pictures. I asked her whether she knew if it was a fitted cap, or if it was one that you had to adjust. She did not know. I asked her on the cap, if she could describe his hair, and she said it was a dark color brown, that was shoulder length. it appeared to be straight.
Q. I asked her to describe his face. And she could not describe any part of his face. I asked her to describe what he was wearing, and she said he was wearing a black T-shirt. And I asked her if it was a black pull over T-shirt or a button down T-shirt, and she said it was a pull over, that it didn't have any buttons on it. Didn't have a collar on it, and it was short sleeved.
Q. All right.
A. I asked her if it had any writing or designs on it, and she said she didn't see any.
Q. I asked her about a belt. She couldn't remember if there was a belt or not. I asked her about his jeans. The bluejeans, I asked her if he could remember if they were blue bluejeans or a different color. She said blue. She couldn't remember any labels on the jeans.
Q. Okay.
A. I asked her about his shoes and socks and she didn't remember any shoes or socks. I asked her because it had a been a short sleeved T-shirt, if she saw any tattoos or scars on his arms, and she said, no that she didn't remember any scars or tattoos

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Story 6
Q. You come back into this area again. Now what do you do?
A. I asked her again for a description of the suspect. And, she told me she didn't know if it was a white or a black guy, but that he was wearing a black shirt, dark pants and a ball cap.
Q. Again, a black ball cap and a dark shirt?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Didn't know whether he was white or black?
A. Right.
Q. Okay. Did she give you any other information at that time about this person, or what may have happened?
A. She told me what had happened.
Q. Okay. Just tell the members of the jury what the defendant told you had happened right there.
A. She told me that she had got into a fight with somebody that broke into her house. See fought with the suspect. She told me she fought with him at the end of the bar here, and that he ran across the kitchen.
Q. All right. Did she describe what kind of fight had occurred here in this area?
A. She had just said that she fought with him.
Q. All right. Are you sure it was this area that she was indicating too?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How was she indicating that area between the family room and the kitchen as being the place of the struggle?
A. She was telling me that she was
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And, what did she do?
A. Nothing. She kept telling me that when she chased the suspect across the kitchen, that he had dropped the knife by the utility -- somewhere over here in this area, and that she had picked up the knife and brought it back and set it on the counter. And she told me that she thought she had messed up the fingerprints.

Story 7
Tell the jury what she told you had happened to her.
A. She told me that she heard Damon going "Mommie, Mommie". He leaned on her saying,"Mommie, Mommie". And she felt pressure on her legs, and she openedher eyes and the man was coming down straight with a knife at throat, and then if she didn't put her arm up, he would have killed her.
Q. Then what did she say happened?
A. Damon -- she didn't see nothing more, but she says that she picks up, maybe-I'm not remembering correctly, but Damon was following her. She was going after a man through the kitchen. It was the kitchen, she was going after the man. And Damon was behind her and she told -- she pushed him and told him to go back, to wait for her,"just wait for Mommie". And she went out to the garage, and that's all she said.

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Story 8 is pretty long, may take up more than one post:

Story 8
Q. what was the next thing that happened?
A. It was around, I want to say about 8:30, and I told the boys that they needed to tell their friends, you know, that they needed to go home, that it was time to come in. I think Devon had said something about wanting to spend the night with a friend, but he had just had a little boy named Michael over the night before, and plus, they had kind of gotten in a little bit of trouble, for emptying out, all of the water in the hot tub from their father. So, any way, he was told that he couldn't have Jonathan to spend the night. That he could have him spend the night another night.
Q. Okay. Darin left to take Dana home?
A. Yeah. After the boys came in, I guess everybody has seen the pictures, but when you walk into the house through the sliding glass doors, I had these, like plastic runners down on the floor, and, there was a reason for that, because the boys liked to run in and out of the house soaking wet. And, they track in, you know, they track in a lot of dirt and stuff on their feet. And, when they came in, I told them that they needed to go upstairs and get dry clothes on. And, they went upstairs, and I vacuumed over there, 4836 I because they had drug in quite a bit of dirt of of their feet. A few minutes later, the boys came downstairs with their pillows and blankets and asked if they could watch TV downstairs. A little bit after that, 1 asked Darin if he could drive Dana home. And he said he would.
Q. Okay. About how long was Darin gone?
A. Maybe 30 minutes.
Q. Okay. And you said that you had used the vacuum cleaner to sweep up there in the den; is that right?
A. Yeah, over by the sliding glass doors.
Q. Okay. And, do you recall where the-where you would have left the vacuum cleaner after 16 you had cleaned up? Do you remember?
A. I think it was right over by where the outlet was, over by the down from the sliding glass doors.
Q. Out by the bar?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Now, Darin got home, about what time is it now, Darlie?
A. It was probably a little bit after 10:00 o'clock. L 4837
Q. Okay. And where were the boys?
A. Devon had fallen asleep in front of the TV and Damon was laying down in front of'the TV, and he had not fallen asleep yet.
Q. Okay?
A. Drake was on me, laying on me. I was laying on the couch.
Q. Okay. And, did you and Darin call when he came in -- I mean, did you and Darin talk when he came in?
A. Yeah, when Darin came in, the baby was getting pretty fussy, and so I made him a bottle and Darin said that he was going to take him upstairs and rock him. I usually rocked him every night and sang to him, and Darin said that he was going to do that, and he wanted to watch the news. I don't really like to watch the news. I think there is too much negative stuff on the news. But any way, I was watching something else. I don't know what I was watching, but I was watching something else on TV.
Q. Did you all have a big screen TV set downstairs as well?
A. Yeah, it was an older one, but yes. 4838
Q. In the family room?
A. Um-hum.(Witness nodding head affirmatively). Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And, I'll ask you if Darin eventually came down from upstairs?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. And did y'all continue to talk?
A. Yes, we did.
Q. Okay. Do you recall when you decided that you would spend the night downstairs?
A. It was sometime after that.
Q. Okay. And how were you dressed at that time?
A. I just had on a T-shirt and panties. Or not really a T-shirt, it was like a night shirt, a little bit longer than a regular T-shirt.
Q. Okay. Kind of an over sized T-shirt?
A. Yeah.
Q. That ladies wear?
A. Yeah.
Q. All right. Now, I'll ask you if we have had occasion to listen to the 911 tape, Darlie?
A. Yes, sir. Several times
Q. And have we -- a number of times, haven't we? 4839
A. Yes.
Q. And, have we looked at the State's transcription of the 911 tape and listen to the tape itself, to check it's accuracy?
A. Many times.
Q. Okay. And, in listening to the 911 tape, have we made some corrections in the State's version?
A. Some.
Q. Okay. Let me hand you what has been marked for identification for record purposes, as defendant's exhibit number 96-A, and I'll ask you if this shows the State's version of the transcript of the 911 tape, and in -- we where there is discrepancy, or we think we hear something different, we have put in, bold print, italics, what we believe is actually said?
A. Right underneath it?
Q. Yes?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And then on, defendant's exhibits number 96-B, it is simply our version of what the 911 tape says, without calling attention to it, and we have excised what the State has in places that we 4840 disagree; is that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. All right.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: We would offer in evidence what has been marked for identification, for record purposes as, Defendant's exhibit Number 96.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: And, Sandy, what I'm going to do, is just mark this our version as 96, and with the 96-A is,the enhanced version.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Judge, we would offer in evidence --. 4841
MR. TOBY SHOOK:: Which is it? The first one or both?
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: We're going to offer both into evidence.
MR. TOBY SHOOK: I may take the witness on voir dire, Judge?
THE COURT: You may indeed. VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION BY
MR. TOBY SHOOK:
Q. So I take it, Mrs. Routier, that I guess, is it 96-A, has in heavy print, another interpretation that you listened to, that you think the 911 tape says?
A. Yes, sir, it's not that much different.
Q. Okay. So any time we see a bold printing, that is what you think is different?
A. Yes.
Q. You think that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And did you interpret this tape, or did have you any help interpreting this tape? 4842 As far as what I heard, I interpreted it. there were other people listening as well.
Q. Who else was listening?
A. Lloyd Harrellson.
Q. Is that Mr. Harrell?
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Harrell.
THE WITNESS: Harrell, I'm sorry. And I think Preston also. BY
MR. TOBY SHOOK:
Q. Mr. Douglass here?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. Are all of changes here, were those your ideas or did they hear things that you didn't hear and have those put in also?
A. It was a group effort, but I went through most of it too, and whatever I made, I wrote down on paper, next to what they said, and they went over it, and then they listened to see if they could hear the same things that I heard.
Q. And then you had this printed up to show your interpretation?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. 4843

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MR. TOBY SHOOK: All right, no objection then, your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Both defendant's exhibits number 96 and 96-A are admitted.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Okay. I would like to pass these out to the jurors.
THE COURT: You may.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: All right. Let me show you this, so it doesn't get any more confusing than it has to. This is,-- pass those around. Okay. Pass those around. All right. All right.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: All right. Now the one I am handing you now is, it shows the State version as well.
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MR. DOUGLAS MULDER:
Q. Darlie, let me ask you this: When you see something written on the TV screen, do you have a tendency to hear what you read?
A. Yes, sir.
MR. TOBY SHOOK: Judge, we will object 4844 to leading.
THE COURT: Sustain the objections Phrase the questions properly, please.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: What I would like to do, Judge, is play this once with the jury following the 911 tape. And where they can see the --
THE COURT: That's fine.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: I want them to listen to it, and where they see the italicized part, they will know there is discrepancy there, and then I want to play it again for them, once they understand where the problems are, and then I want to play it again for them, looking at our version.
THE COURT: Okay. You are going to play it three times?
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: Yes, sir, well that is fine. That is fine. All right.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Our electrician a little --
THE COURT: All right. While we're assembling all of the mechanical devices, we are going to take a 10 minute break.
THE COURT: All right.
THE COURT: All right. Be seated please. Bring the jury in please. THE COURT: All right. Let the record 46
A. As chaotic as it was, I definitely think that is a possibility.
Q. But if your talking to Waddell, and you are speaking into the phone and the communications operator doesn't know but what you are talking to her?
A. Yeah whatever she would be hearing.
Q. Okay. Likewise, if you answer your husband, and you are still talking into the phone, she would have reason to believe that ---
A. Oh, that I was talking to her. Yeah.
Q. Of course.
A. Yeah, yeah.
Q. And, at one point, toward the end, initially there is a, the communications officer says "don't touch anything." And you said something about a knife, and she said,"Don't touch anything." And you said,"I have already picked it up," or,"I have already touched it.,, Words to that effect?
A. Yes, so I have heard several times.
Q. Okay. Now, in another situation in there, Officer Waddell says something about a knife?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And you made a remark to him?
A. Yes, sir. 4848
Q. There is also, a - in the conversation there, there is a direction, and of course you were here when Waddell testified and said he didn't recognize his voice saying to get the rags?

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A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was that Waddell? Or was that Darin?
A. No, sir, that was not Waddell. I know my husband's voice.
Q. All right.
A. I have listened to that tape many times.
Q. Okay.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Judge, what I would like to suggest to the jury, is that they listen to the tape with our bold print italicized part first, so you know where our discrepancies are, and then.
THE COURT: All right roll the tape then.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: And then once you have spotted that, I would like to have you play it again so you can hear it again like that, and then I would like to play it again for you a third time, where you can just here our version.
THE COURT: All right. If you will proceed please, Mr. Douglass.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Yes, sir. All right. This is the right one without the cover sheet on it. Everybody got it? Okay.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Judge, now that they have kind of identified the areas, we would like to play it through one more time like this. And then finally play it through with them not looking at this, but just looking at our version, and so they can check it.
THE COURT: All right. You may proceed.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: By now, if you will look at this thing, now that you have identified it, and then we will go through it with ours.
THE COURT: All right, let's go.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: Judge, now what I would like for them to do, is to take our version and listen to it, and that is the one with the cover sheet on it.
THE COURT: Okay. Is everybody ready? BY
MR. DOUGLAS MULDER:
Q. There is a word in there, Darlie, that they say is fighting and you said:
A. Frightened.
Q. Frightened? It sounds like
A. I didn't say fighting.

Q. All right. Darlie, what is the very. next thing that you remember, that you either felt or heard or saw? 4865 The next thing that I remember is Damon hitting my right shoulder, and he said "Mommiell, or he said "Mommie, Mommie," I'm not sure, but he said,"Mommie". I looked up, and you've got to remember that I'm in a -- I am not completely awake, you know, when you first wake up, you are not completely wide awake. And there was a man, that was down, going away from the couches, walking away from me. I started to get up and when I stood up I heard noise like glass breaking. I started to walk towards the kitchen, Damon was behind me, and when I got to the kitchen, I put my hand back here for Damon to stay. And when I got to the kitchen, I could see the guy going into the utility room.
Q. Were the lights on?
A. No, sir, the lights were off.
Q. Okay. So the area was illuminated by the big screen TV set only?
A. There was a little bit of -- yeah, I mean, there was a little bit of light, I don't know what you would call that, just kind of a-
Q. Okay.
A. A glare, maybe.
Q. All right. Okay. What happened? 4866 I started to take a couple of steps into the kitchen, and I realized that lights were off, so I turned back around, and I flipped the lights on real quick. I started to walk into the kitchen.
Q. Where was the man by this time?
A. He was gone, he was out of my sight.
Q. All right.
A. I got into the kitchen, and I got to where the island is, there is an island in the middle of the kitchen. I got to where the island was, and it was at that moment that realized that I had blood on me. And I kept going, walking a little bit, and I saw a knife laying in the utility room. The knife wasn't completely the whole way in the utility room, it was just like, a little bit into the doorway of the utility room. It was an instinct -- I picked up the knife it was an instinct to pick up the knife. I didn't think about it. It was just and instinct. I picked up the knife, I brought the knife back to the kitchen counter, and set it up on the kitchen counter. At that time, I started to walk into the living room and it was at that time that I saw Devon, and he was laying on the floor, and he wasn't moving and his eyes were open and he had, cuts on him that were so 4867 I big.
Q. Did you say say anything at that time?
A. I screamed "Devon." I screamed out and that I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was at that time that I turned back around and I went to Damon, and Damon was standing up still.
Q. Could you see that he had been hurt or cut or anything at that point?.
A. Not at that time, I couldn't see that he had been hurt. I just started checking all over him and when I turned him around I could see big huge wounds, through his shirt. I started screaming, and I ran into the entrance way, and I flipped on the lights real quick, and I was screaming Darin, Devon, Darin and Devon, and, we ran back into hallway, Darin went over to Devon, I went into the kitchen and flipped the lights on, and I grabbed the phone, and I went to the drawer where there's towels in the drawer, and I went to the drawer, and I went over to the sink and I got the towels wet.
Q. Did you have all the lights on now?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay.
A. Yes.
Q. So the area of both the den and the kitchen was fully illuminated? 4868 Yes, sir.
Q. You went over to the kitchen, you got to the phone and then what did do you?
A. I went to the kitchen, and I got the phone, and then I went to the drawer and I got the towels and then I went to the sink.

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Q. Okay. Why did you get the towels?
A. I just wanted to help to stop the bleeding. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do. I was just reacting.
Q. Okay. So you got the towels?
A. I got the towels and I went to the sink and I got the towels wet.
Q. All right. Were you on phone with 911?
A. At that time, at that time, I think 911 came on.
Q. Okay. I don't know what I said, I mean,--
Q. Do you know if you started, if you got the towels before you called 911, or you called 911 before you got the towels, or did it all happen about the same time?
A. Yeah, I mean, I got the towels, and I was calling 911 as I got the towels. 4869 All right. And after you got the towels wet, did you take those to Darin?
A. I got a couple of towels wet, I went to Damon first.
Q. Okay.
A. I put a towel on Damon's back. There's been a lot of controversy that I didn't do that, but I did do that. I put a towel on my baby's back.
Q. You were the only one -- the police didn't get any towels out, did they?
A. No, sir, the police did not get any towels out.
Q. Darin didn't get any towels out?
A. Darin didn't get any towels out. Darin was trying to save Devon.
Q. All right. So you got the towels and you took them to Damon?
A. I put a towel on Damon, then I told 19 him to hold on. I said,"Hold on, baby.,, And he said,"Okay, Mommie.11 That is the last thing that he said to me.
Q. All right. Darlie, just tell us, as best you recall, what happened after that?
A. I went over to Darin, and Darin was down and he was breathing into Devon's mouth, and I 4870 didn't know - how to do C P R, I didn't even know, no what I was doing. When Daring was blowing into Devon's mouth, you could see some blood coming out of his wounds on the side of his chest.
Q. All right. What did you do?
A. I didn't know what to do. All I did was just put a towel on it. I didn't know what to do.
Q. How did you put the towel down?
A. I just put the towel on top of his chest wound.
Q. Okay.
A. After that, I ran back and I think that is when I ran, and I screamed for Karen across the street, because I didn't know what to do, and I knew I had to get help.
Q. Karen is the nurse?
A. Karen is the nurse, and she is one of my best friends, and I knew she would know what to do.
Q. Okay.
A. So I called for Karen,
Q. Did you get more towels? Did you go back on forth to the sink?
A. Yes, sir, I got more towels, I got another towel, I didn't know what I was doing. I got another towel, and I went back to the sink, and I got 4871 another towel, I put another towel beside Damon and I told him to hang on again, he was still alive, he was still trying to breath.
Q. What was Darin doing at this time?
A. Darin was still with Devon.
Q. All right. Were y'all frantic?
A. Yes, sir, very much. Can you imagine, your babies are dying in front of you. What do you do? What do you do?
Q. Both of you were frantic?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you keep talking to 911, or do you know?
A. I don't even remember. There was so much going on at one time it was crazy.
Q. Did the police come?
A. Yes, sir, an officer came.
Q. All right. Did Officer Waddell come?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. okay.
A. Officer Waddell came in. I was standing over at the kitchen bar, and I was leaning over the vacuum cleaner that was there earlier, because I was a little dizzy and I couldn't breath very good. That vacuum cleaner right there. 4872
Q. Did you know how badly you had been hurt at that time?
A. No, C A P T I O NI didn't know, I had seen my neck in the mirror.
Q. Where is mirror located?
A. The mirror is located, behind the wine rack in the kitchen.
Q. Okay. So it's obscured somewhat by the wine glasses and the wine bottles?
A. It's behind the wine rack.
Q. Okay. In this area?
A. Can you see that?
A. Yeah, that is where it's at.
Q. Okay. That is the wine rack?
A. Yes.
A. There is a mirror back here on the wall?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. Was Waddell as consumed and taken aback by the horror of the scene as y'all were?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was he of much help?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. Did you -- you heard this 911 tape, 20 times I bet, haven't you? Yes, I have heard it a lot.
Q. okay. When we tried to figure out what was going on, and what was being said, and who was saying what?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And you talk at times to Waddell, do you not?
A. I believe so, yes, sir.
Q. All right. You are carrying on a number of conversations with a number of people?
A. I'm talking to a lot of different people. I didn't even know really what was going on.
Q. All right. At any rate, did the paramedics get there?
A. Waddell was in the living room, and he told me to sit down or lay down, I don't remember which, and I did that.
Q. You had been holding on to the vacuum cleaner?
A. I had just been leaning over it for support, just to keep myself up. When I sat down, I kind of took the vacuum cl(!aner with me.
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Q. Okay. I'll try to keep my questions real simple. Okay?
A. Okay.
Q. Now, apparently this man who crept into your house in the early morning hours of the 6th was able to murder your children, wound you, and leave the one witness that could put him on death row?
A. I think that he thought I was dead.
Q. Okay. He left the one witness who could cause his conviction and put him on death row alive?
A. Again, I think he thought I was dead.
Q. Well, were you not moving or something?
A. I don't remember that much, sir.
Q. Then, how would you know he would think that you were dead?
A. Because he was walking away from me.
Q. And you were just laying there?
A. Yes.
Q. I mean, he had to get close enough for you to be able to identify him, wouldn't he, Mrs. Routier?
A. I would think so.
Q. Okay. Well, I mean you have got your throat cut, he has to do that, he has to get right up on you, doesn't he?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Face to face?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay and, has to be in that room while your children are killed?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Lets me ask you this, do you think that you slept while that man stabbed your boys? 4925 I have no idea.
Q. Well do you think you could have slept through that?
A. I don t know How to answer that, because I don't know.
Q. You are a light sleeper, aren't you?
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Q. Well, don't you wake up whenever the baby moves in his crib?
A. Yes, sir, but that is not exactly a real light noise.
Q. So, when you baby rolls over, you wake up?
A. His crib is on a hardwood floor and it has rollers on it, and when he wiggles and moves, it shakes the whole crib, and it makes, I mean, it's a pretty loud noise.
Q. That is why you were sleeping downstairs, right?
A. It's one of the reasons, yes.
Q. I mean, that is what you put in your voluntary statement, did you not?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. I mean, no one forced you to write 4926 that down, did they?
A. No, sir.
Q. I mean, this is in your handwriting?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And don't you say,"I had been sleeping on the couch the past week or so off and on because the baby slept in our room, in the crib, and when he moved he woke me up?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. So you are a light sleeper, aren't you?
A. To some degree.
Q. And, how close would you say Damon was to you when you went to sleep?
A. How close was Damon?
Q. Yes, how close was he?
A. He was very close.
Q. I mean within one foot, wasn't he?
A. Pretty much so, yes.
Q. Easily within one foot, lying there right beside you?
A. Yes, on the floor.
Q. Do you think that you could have slept through a man stabbing him four times in the back?
A. Again, I have no idea. 4927 Well, you know yourself pretty good, do you think you could have slept through that?
A. Sir, I cannot answer that'. I cannot remember.
Q. Do you think you could have slept when this man stabbed your 7 year old Devon?
A. I can't answer that question.
Q. He was only about four or five feet away from you, wasn't he?
A. Yes, he was.
Q. Well, you are a mother aren't you?
A. Yes, sir, I am.
Q. And don't mothers, aren't mothers able to tell when their children are in trouble?
A. I would like to think so.
Q. Aren't they known for being able to hear those noises?
A. Have an instinct.
Q. Have that instinct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So, don't you think that you would have woken up if a man started stabbing you?
A. I have no idea of what happened that night.
Q. Well certainly you would you have 4928 woken up when he started beating you, wouldn't you?
A. I have assumed that that is what happened, yes, sir.
Q. I mean, you would have to be awake to take a beating like that?
A. I would assume so, yes, sir.
Q. And, it's your arms that were beaten, weren't they?
A. As far as I know, yes, sir.
Q. Okay. I mean, you weren't hit in the face, that's for sure, were you?
A. Directly in the face?
Q. Yes, we can't see any bruises on your face, can we?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. And you weren't stabbed in your face, were you?
A. Not stabbed. There were marks on my face.
Q. You weren't beaten in the chest, stomach, back?
A. I have no idea.
Q. Well did you ever see any bruises in your chest, in your back?
A. Not bruises, but there was a mark on my breast.
Q. But no bruises?
A. No bruises.
Q. Okay. You didn't complain to the doctors about a big headache, about being whacked in the head, or being bumped on the head?
A. Actually I did complain about feeling pain. I didn't complain specifically what areas, I was hurting all over from head to toe.
Q. Certainly you are going to wake up -- or your are going to wake up when he cut your throat aren't you?
A. I have no idea, I would assume so.
Q. You wouldn't sleep through that, would you?
A. I don't know what happened. I would assume so, but I cannot remember.
Q. Do you really think that you could have slept when the man cut your throat?
A. I don't think so.
Q. You couldn't have slept when you got stabbed in the arm either, could you?
A. I don't think so.
Q. Okay. And, if you had awakened, if you had wokenup, when your children were attacked, you 4930 would have screamed, wouldn't you?
A. Unless my mouth was covered.
Q. Well, I mean that would -- I guess are there more than one man attacking you?
A. I have no idea, sir.
Q. I mean, if there was just one guy, he can only do one thing at a time, can't he?
A. Um --.
Q. You only saw one man, didn't you?
A. I only saw one man, yes, sir.
Q. Walking away from you. And if there just one man attacking your kids, and you saw him, you would jump up and defend your children, wouldn't you?
A. I would think so, but again, I cannot remember.
Q. You would think you would get up?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And defend your children?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Don't you know you would do that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. I mean you would defend them with your life, wouldn't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. If you saw a man attacking your 4931 children, you would scream your head off, wouldn't you?
A. Yes, sir, unless my mouth was covered.
Q. You would scream for you husband, wouldn't you?
A. Unless my mouth was covered, yes, sir.
Q. You didn't have problems screaming for him when he finally got up and came down there, did you?
A. My mouth was not covered.
Q. Did you find any tape, or any gauze or anything stuffed in your mouth that showed it to be covered?
A. No just except for that it was torn up inside.
Q. Okay. It was all torn up inside.
A. Well, it felt raw.
Q. Did you talk to the doctors about that?
A. I talked to the nurse about that, yes I did.
Q. There is no way you could be prevented from defending your children, and sounding the alarm, if you had seen them being attacked?
A. What do you mean -- I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Q. Well if you had woken up, and some man stabbing your children, you would have tried to stop him, wouldn't you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. But you have no memory of any of that?
A. No, sir.
Q. You must have been beaten first, wouldn't you say?
A. Sir, I have no idea. I have sat for seven months, and tried to think of every possible thing I could think of what this man did to me.
Q. Okay.
A. I don't remember.
Q. You don't know if you were stabbed first, or beaten on the arms first?
A. I have no idea. I don't remember.
Q. And what is the description that you remember, the best description that you have of this man?
A. It's not much, he was a taller man, with dark hair.
Q. Okay. Let's start with that. How tall was he?
A. I cannot give you an exact-I mean, I can just tell you that he was above, I would think above 6 foot. I
Q. okay. Above 6 foot?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And I believe you said that he was along Chris Frosch's build; is that right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are you talking about height-wise?
A. Build wise.
Q. Okay. And,--
A. I mean, I haven't seen Chris Frosch in, you know, I have just seen him in dress clothes, but he seems to be about the same build.
Q. Okay. So he is the same height and build as this man walking away?
A. Well, approximately yes.
Q. Okay. So the man is over 6 foot you would say?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he was a white male?
A. I don't know that for sure.
Q. Okay. What kind of hair did he have?
A. He had longer hair.
Q. How long was it?
A. Like here.
Q. Okay.
A. Whatever you call that. To his collar?
A. Yeah.
Q. What color was it?
A. Well, as far as I could tell, it was dark, because it was dark in there.
Q. Okay. And the build he had, he was built like Chris Frosch?
A. To some degree, yes, sir.
Q. Okay. Well, to what degree was he not?
A. Sir, you are asking me to be specific about something that I cannot be specific about.
Q. Okay. And, you saw his back and that was all?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. As he walked away?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You didn't yell out for Darin when you saw this man walking?
A. Actually, it happened all so quick I did yell out for Darin, but it was after a couple of seconds that the guy had already walked out.

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Yup, still on Story 8:

Q. While were you still on the couch?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. While you were in the kitchen? Cou A Yes, sir.
Q. That is when you yelled out for Darin?
A. That is the first time, yes, sir.
Q. Who -- in talking to Doctor Clayton yesterday, who is Glen?
A. I really don't know Glen that well. Glen was somebody that came into the shop. I think that he knew one of the men beside -- that works beside our shop.
Q. Okay.
A. And he had come in, and he had said some things to Basia, Barbara, and they weren't very nice things, and I guess his wife was having some problems with that. And, his wife called, and I told her that -- what he did.
Q. You told his wife?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was this?
A. This was about a year and a half ago.
Q. Okay. And then, what happened? Did he threaten you in some way?
A. Yes, he threatened me later over the phone.
Q. Okay. How long ago was this?
A. It was about, oh, not quite a year and icial Court R a half.
Q. Okay. And you say that you gave the police his name?
A. I told them Glen. I don't think I gave them the last name, because I didn't know his last name at that time.
Q. What is his last name?
A. Mize.
Q. Okay. Now, you did you tell them this guy that just threatened you or did this the guy look like the--
A. Yeah, I just told them -- they just asked me if there was anybody that we thought I mean, they asked me and Darin together, at one time, if there was anybody that we thought, you know, had ever threatened us or anything like that.
Q. You are not saying this Glen guy did the killing, are you?
A. I don't know.
Q. Well, does he look like the guy?
A. Well, I have not realy seen Glen.
Q. Well, when you had seen him, did he look like him?,
A. Well I haven't seen Glen.
Q. Well, what does he look like? A Glen?
Q. Yes.
A. I don't know.
Q. You don't know what he looks like?
A. Not to give you a detailed description, no.
Q. You have never seen him before?
A. No. I saw him when we walked in to go and to talk to Basia, but that was a year and a half ago, and I really wasn't paying that much attention.
Q. Okay. So you really don't know what this Glen guy looks like?
A. Not really. No, sir. I mean, we have people walk in and out of our shop.
Q. Okay. You can't tell us if he is a tall guy, or short guy, or fat guy or skinny guy?
A. No, sir.
Q. So you don't know if, he would look :L9 anything like this man you saw walking away?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. So you just told that - you told the police this Glenn guy had threatened you at some point in the past?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you think you would recognize Glen ici saw him again?
A. I don't know.
Q. Well, we will give it a try.
A. Okay.
MR. TOBY SHOOK: Y'all just come on up here, please.
MR. TOBY SHOOK: All right. Y'all just come on up here please. All right. Stand right here for me please. Okay? BY
MR. TOBY SHOOK:
Q. All right. Do you recognize him as being Glen Mize?
A. Yeah, but the hair looks longer.
Q. Okay. But this is Glen Mize?
A. I guess so. Okay.
MR. TOBY SHOOK: If ylall'could just, I don't want to make it like a beauty pageant, but if you could turn around with your backs to the jury. And also to Miss Routier.
THE WITNESS: Okay. BY
MR. TOBY SHOOK:
Q. All right. They don't really have the same build, do they?
A. No, sir.
Q. So can we eliminate Glen Mize as being the one?
A. I think so.
Q. Okay. All right. Y'all can go on back. Thank you.
TOBY SHOOK: All right. So we got Darin out, and we got Glen out?
A. Yes, Sir.
LATER
Q. Okay.
A. To some degree. Well, you remembered it E able to write it down in your voluntary statement on the 8th?
A. It's in there, yes, sir.
Q. Okay."I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor.,, You remember that, don't you?
A. if it's in there, yes, sir.
Q. Your memory back on the Bth was thatyou saw all this glass on the kitchen floor?
A. I did see some glass on the kitchen floor.
Q. While your son Damon is lying there bleeding, and your husband was working on Devon?
A. Well, it was just a glance, it's not, I mean,--
Q. Then,"I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place, or if anything as missing"?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You looked around to see if anything was missing?
A. Well, when I was standing where the knife was placed, there was, my jewelry was sitting right beside it, and that is what I saw.
Q. Okay. Why would you want to glance to see if anything was missing?
A. Because the officer when he came in told me that nothing was gone.
Q. Okay. So you wanted to look around s for that?
A. I didn't necessarily look around, I mean, it was like right there in front of my face.
Q. And you knew nothing was gone?
A. As far as that, it didn't look like anything was gone.
Q. You said that several times on the 911 tape?
A. Yes, sir, I was just responding to what the Officer told me.
Q. Nothing is touched, nothing is touched?
A. I think he said, nothing is -- there nothing is gone, I think those were his words.
Q. And, your interpretation of the 911 tape is that, you never used the word that "I was fighting"; is that right?
A. No, sir. You can hear it.
Q. Your interpretation is you were frightening?
A. I was frightened. Frightened.
Q. If you say it like that, but when you are running back and forth, and you are out of breath.
Q. Okay. Let me take a moment, maybe I can use one of these. All right.
A. What page?
Q. Five. Okay about the middle of that page, before we get to that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You are saying, I believe "some man came in, stabbed my babies stabbed me. I woke up"-- and your version is,"I was frightening"?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Frightening?
A. Yes, sir.
Q."And he ran out and threw the knife down"7
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Of course our version was,"I was fighting"?
A. Well, you can listen to it.
Q. Of course, if you said "I was fighting," that would indicate that you remember what was going on, right?
A. I'm not sure. Well, if you were able to say on the 911 tape, I was fighting him, that would mean you would have a memory of that attack, wouldn't it?
A. Well, it does not necessarily mean that.
Q. It doesn't?
A. I was talking to three different people at one time.
Q. But, if you said on the 911 tape, if you said,"I woke up, I was fighting, and he ran through the garage." That would indicate that you do remember what was going on, wouldn't it?
A. Well, sir, I don't think it says fighting.
Q. oh, no.
A. I have listened to this tape a lot of times.
Q. But if it did say fighting?
A. I don't think it did say fighting.
Q. If it did say fighting, wouldn't that indicate that you do remember -?
A. I don't think it does say fighting. 1 don't think it does say fighting.
Q. If it did say fighting wouldn't that be an indication that you remember what was going on? fi I don't think it does say fighting.
Q. Can I take that as a yes then?
A. I think it says frightening.
Q. You were frightening?
A. Yes, sir. You can listen to it.
Q. Oh, I have?
A. I know you have.

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Story 8 continues:

Q. I have lots of times.
A. So have I.
THE COURT: All right. Let's just ask questions and answers please.
BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
Q. Do you remember talking to Detective Waddell there when he came into your house?
A. Very briefly.
Q. Okay. Did you tell Detective Waddell that you had been fighting with the man there at the island area?
A. No, sir, it would have been on the call as well, and it's not on there.
Q. Okay. You never told him that any time he was in your house?
A. No, sir, I didn't. Sandra M. Hals Okay. You remember the paramedic, the one with the nickname Toad?
A. I only remember them really by their faces.
Q. He was the one that actually put the bandage on you and walked you out?
A. I don't remember.
Q. Okay.
A. I thought that there were two of them.
Q. Did you ever make the statement, there in your living room, in front of the paramedic then, that the man was wearing a ball cap, and he broke out the window in the garage?
A. I don't ever remember saying that.
Q. Okay. So you don't remember if you said that or not?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. Do you remember talking to Detective Patterson and Detective Frosch down there, after your operation?
A. I do remember some of that, yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And do you remember telling them that morning, that the man was standing over you, and you fought with him on the couch?
A. No, I heard Patterson say that, but I
Q. emember saying anything about that.
Q. So it was Detective Patterson that suggested that?
A. I think that is what, when he came up here, isn't that what he said7
Q. He said that, he said, are you fighting with him on the couch?
A. I'm not sure. He just said something along those lines, I thought, when he was sitting up here, when he was up here the other day.
Q. Well, you remember the nurse Chris Winegosh?
A. Again, I only remember the people as they came in here by their face.
Q. Okay. He was the nurse with glasses that tended to you, after you got out of the operating room. He was the nurse present when Detective Patterson and Frosch talked to you?
A. Um, I really don't remember that.
Q. That nurse that gave you the truth serum?
A. I realy don't remember him.
Q. Okay. Well, you remember him testifying, don't you?
A. Well there's been a lot of people to testify.
Q. Do you remember his description of how the detectives questioned you?
A. I really, I don't remember who you are talking about specifically.
Q. Okay. It would be the nurse that was there?
A. Well, I know, but there were a couple of nurses.
Q. well, do you remember someone testifying, that said they were present while the detectives were questioning?
A. I think so. I sort of remember that, yes.
Q. Okay. Well, that is who we're talking about?
A. Okay.
Q. And do you remember his description was that the detectives went slowly and methodically?
A. I really don't remember what his exact words were.
Q. That,they never suggested answers to you?
A. Sir, I don't remember what happened. I mean, there's been so many people testifying, Okay. Are you saying then today, that Detective Patterson was suggesting answers to you?
A. Suggesting as in, what do you mean?
Q. Fighting on the couch?
A. What do you mean? He was telling me.
Q. Well, I think that is what you are trying to get across, that you didn't come up with the word fighting, that was Detective Patterson?
A. Sir, I don't even remember that.
Q. Okay. You don't have any memory of that?
A. As far as fighting?
Q. Fighting on -- telling Detective Patterson that you fought with the man on the couch?
A. No, I don't -- I mean, I don't think that I said that. I could have said that, but I don't remember saying that.
Q. Okay. So you could have said that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay.
A. I mean, I think that you can have, you know, no memory, especially in that situation.
Q. Okay. Then you got transferred up to the I C U floor?
A. I guess so. You don't remember that?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you remember telling the nurse, Diane Hollon, hat you felt pressure on you, and you woke up and a man was standing over you?
A. I don't remember -- I remember their faces when they came in here when you guys were talking to them, but I don't -- I mean, I don't -- when you say you are familiar with them, I am not.
Q. She was the nurse that attended you from an about 8:00 In the morning until 7:00 at night, the tall girl with brown hair?
A. Tall girl with brown hair?
Q. Was with you for about 11 hours?
A. What was her name?
Q. Diane Hollon?
A. I don't remember, but I'll try to answer your questions.
Q. Do you remember telling her that you felt pressure on you, the man was standing over you?
A. I do remember feeling pressure on my legs.
Q. Do you remember telling her that he man was standing over you, and that you fought him off?
A. No, sir, I don't remember that.
Q. Okay.
A. I do remember the pressure on my legs.
Q. All right. Where was it on your legs?
A. It was on my right leg.
Q. On your right leg?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. Do you remember telling the nurse Paige Campbell, she is the small nurse with blonde hair?
A. I think I remember Paige Campbell, because she gave me a shower I think.
Q. Okay. Do you remember that you showed her your hand, and you said,"this is where he cut me when I tried to grab the knife"?
A. No, sir.
Q. You don't remember telling her that?
A. No, sir. I remember her giving me a shower.
Q. Okay. Do you remember telling her that you woke up and the man was standing over you and tried to stab you with a knife?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay. Are you saying you just don't remember that?
A. I'm just saying I don't remember that. Okay. So you could have said that?
A. I suppose it's possible.
Q. Okay. If you had said that, would that not mean that you do remember this attack?
A. I don't remember this attack as of right now, I do not remember.
Q. Okay, do you remember talking to the nurse, Denise Faulk, which is the last nurse that testified, the one that had you --?
A. I remember her up here, but I don't remember her in there.
Q. Okay. And do you remember, that she the one that took the pink notes of what you said?
A. Yes, I remember her sitting up here.
Q. Okay. And, do you remember telling her, about 3:00 o'clock in the morning, that when you were laying on your right side, you told her,” I was laying just like this,".
A. First of all, I can't imagine -- can I see a picture of my arm? Do you have a picture of the arm?
Q. Well, why don't you -- I'll show you a picture the arm in a minute.
A. Okay. I don't imagine that I would be laying on the right side with my arm like that. porter So, that didn't happen?
A. I am just saying that I don't believe that I would lay, I mean, if you look at that picture, I don't think anybody would be laying on that arm, form what you are saying, I think you could lay on it like this, with this arm out.
Q. okay.
A. But not like this.
Q. Okay. Do you think she might have been making that up?
A. No, sir, I think maybe either she has either misunderstood, or she has gotten her information wrong.
Q. Okay. So maybe she misunderstood what you said?
A. Okay. Of course if you are laying on your right side, your back never would be exposed to any blood you might get on it, would it?
A. Well, I'm not sure I understand.
Q. Do you remember telling Denise Faulk that you woke up when Damon started touching you and crying?
A. I really don't remember that.
Q. Do you remember telling her that you felt a wrestling at your neck area? No, sir, I don't remember that.
Q. You just don't remember that?
A. No, sir.
Q. Again, I guess if you did tell her that, that would indicate that you did have some memory of this attack, wouldn't it?
A. Well, I don't remember that.
Q. You don't know of any reason that Denise Faulk would have to come down here and lie about that, do you?
A. I don't know of any reason, no, I mean
Q. I mean, Y'all didn't know each other before this did you?
A. No, sir, but
Q. Can you think of a good reason?
A. Well, I have heard a lot of things that --
Q. Do you think all of the nurses might have gotten together?
A. No, sir, I don't think that. That is not what I'm saying. I just think a lot of people, a lot of time went by, and I think that you can definitely.
Q. Well, you heard her, she wrote it down.
Sandra M.
THE COURT: Well let her finish her answer. Do you want to add any more? THE WITNESS: Well, I just think that you definitely take things out of context, after a certain period of time.

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Conclusion of Story 8:

BY MR. TOBY L. SHOOK:
Q. Well, as far as time goes by, you heard her testimony. She wrote these notes down?
A. Yes, sir, she did.
Q. When she got home?
A. Pretty fresh on her mind?
A. She has got the notes.
Q. Okay.
A. But how do we know that those were written then?
Q. Do you think she lied about it?
A. No, I'm not saying that.
Q. Okay. Well, do you think we can trust her?
A. She seems like a nice person.
Q. Okay. Have you told any one else that a man was standing over you, and you woke up, and he tried to stab you?
Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, official Court Re Just as far as the dream that I had.
Q. Just the dream?
A. Yes.
Q. When did your memory start getting better? I mean, I guess you don't remember much that happened in the hospital do you?
A. No, I don't even remember, as far as my relatives being there. I have had a lot of different people say that they talked to me, and came and saw me that I don't remember.
Q. Okay. You remember everything up until this attack, don't you? What went on in the evening?
A. To a certain extent, I mean yeah.
Q. Your memory is not fuzzy on when Darin got home?
A. No, sir.
Q. On what you did all day?
A. No, sir, I was conscious then, yes, sir.
Q. Your memory is not fuzzy on having your little sister Dana there, and what the boys were doing, is it?
A. No, sir.
Q. It's not fuzzy as to what you and Darin talked about, is it?
A. To a certain extent, no, sir.
Q. Okay. But then, as far as any of the facts of this offense goes, you don't remember a thing about that, do you?
A. No, I can speculate that, but I don't know, to sit her and tell you I can't tell you that.
Q. Then you memory gets kind of good again, because you give a lot of details in your voluntary statement about what happened after you saw --
A. I think if I lived to be a hundred, I wouldn't be able to tell you everything that happened that night.
Q. Okay.
A. for detail.
Q. Well, you gave us a lot of details?
A. I gave some things, yes, sir.
Q. And you were able to give a lot of details on the 8th, when you wrote this statement out?
A. Yes, sir, but I still think there's a lot of things to this day, that.
Q. But as far as where the paramedics were, what Darin was doing, what you were doing, you were able to write that all down on June the 8th, weren't you?
A. Not every bit of it, but some, yes, sir.
Q. We will be able to see all of that for ourselves what you wrote down?
A. Yes, sir, I think we have already gone over that.
Q. okay. But then again at the hospital, when all of these statements are made to these nurses?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Your memory is gone again, isn't it?
A. I just don't remember now.
Q. You just don't remember those?
A. No, sir.
Q. It kind of goes in and out?
A. Yes, sir. I have been told that that common.
Q. Okay. But I guess it got better on the Sth when you were writing this statement out?
A. A little bit, but not much.
Q. Okay. And as far as --
A. Like I said, to this day, there is still a lot of steps that I don't remember.

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Story 9
Q. Okay. And then the description of the attacker was a white male?
A. Yes, sir. She said a white male, shoulder length, dark hair, wearing a ball cap.
Q. Okay. And did she go into any other details about him, other than that?
A. She said that -- Detective Frosch was in the room, and she said that the assailant was about the same build as Detective Frosch.
Q. Okay. Did she have him face one way or the other when she was doing that?
A. Well, she said that she could not describe his face, that all she could describe was from the back. So, Detective Frosch had turned around. And she said that he was about the same build.
Q. About the same build, same size?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. Did she say anything about any windows being open, anything like that?
A. Yes, sir. She said the window in the official 984 garage had been opened due to the cat being out in the arage because the cat was in heat.
Q. Okay. The Rowlett detectives, how did they ask questions?
A. They did an interview, how you interview any victim of any crime, just trying to figure out what had happened at the home.
Q. They weren't interrogating her?
A. No, sir, not at all.

Story 10
Q. What did she tell you?
A. She told me that she and her sons had been stabbed. That she had chased a gentlemen through the house into the garage and that she had picked up the knife in the garage.

Story 11
Q. okay. During the day, did you talk to her about what had had happened to her?
A. Darlie always was bringing it up, about the story-of the intruder coming into the house, she had waken up with the intruder over the top of her. 109 she felt pressure from him, and she tried to fight him off and ran out the garage. That's the same type of story that she told me and the different people that came in throughout the day. I heard that: story at least three times to me and two other people throughout the day.

STORY 12
Q. Okay. Tell the jury what she told had you happened when you had this conversation at her mother's house.
A. Well, I didn't ask her anything. She was just sitting there. She was really nervous. She was, of course, chewing on her fingernails and I went, don’t do that. And she said, she says,"Basia, Basiall, she says, When I opened -- when I felt pressure on my --
Q. Go ahead. Just take your time.
A. You should -- she says, Basia, when I I felt pressure on my legs, and I opened my eyes, the man was sitting on top of her, and he was doing this with the knife on her face.

Story 13
Q. Do you recall what statements, if any, that she made to you, when you confronted her with the fact that you thought she had killed her children?
A. Yes, sir, I do. She always had the same verbal response,"If I did it, I don't remember.. One occasion, she just didn't respond at all, she just shrugged her shoulders.

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Story 14
In Her Own Words

June 6th, 1996
The boys were asleep on the floor with their pillows and blankets. Darin brought me a pillow and blanket from upstairs. Around 1:00 a.m. Darin and I decided to go to sleep. Darin turned off all the lights but the T.V. was on. Darin told me that he loved me and would see me in the morning and I told him I loved him too. I asked him to make sure the door was locked on his way upstairs -- he said he already checked it and it was -- five minutes later I fell asleep. Next thing I remember -- Damon runs into my right shoulder and says "mommy." I sat straight up and saw a "blur" of a man between my couch and kitchen bar.

In Her Own Words
I stood up and Damon walked behind me. I heard glass breaking. When I got to the entrance of the kitchen, I saw man going into my utility room

I took a couple of steps and remembered lights were off went back and turned lights on, I started to walk through kitchen and noticed blood on my nightgown, about to my chest, halfway across the kitchen I saw knife laying on utility room floor, instinctively I went over and picked up knife, doesn't seem like there was much blood on the knife, I went back through the kitchen and put knife on kitchen bar. Damon was still standing by living room wall. I walked into living room and saw Devon's eyes open and wounds on his chest, Devon wasn't moving and I started screaming, I went to Damon and began checking him and saw stab wounds through his shirt, I was hysterical but I was trying to think. I told Damon to lay on his belly and I told him to hang on and be strong -- Damon said "O-K mommy." I ran into hallway to our entrance, turned on the lights and kept screaming. Darin, my husband, came out of our bedroom -- he only had his pants and glasses on. Darin ran down the stairs and we ran together into the hallway. Darin went to the left, into family room and over to Devon, the table by Devon was completely knocked over. I went to the right to kitchen and grabbed phone to call 911.

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More of Story 14:

Darlie called 911 at 2:31 was off at 2:37
[911 transcript]
"Some man... Came in... Stabbed my babies...Stabbed me... I woke up... I was fighting... He ran out through the garage... threw the knife down... My babies are dying... They’re dead... Oh my God..."

I went to second drawer and got towels. I could see Darin starting to perform CPR on Devon. I went to sink and about that time 911 lady came on. I was screaming and got towels wet (when I turned around I could see my neck slit in mirror behind wine rack and said this to the 911 lady) I was screaming. I ran over to Damon pulled up his shirt and layed (sic) a towel on his back, I ran over to Darin and could see blood coming out of Devon's wound when Darin blew into Devon's mouth, I didn't know what to do so I held a towel on Devon's wound. I was still on the phone while I did all this. I was soaked with blood by this time and very dizzy -- I ran to front door to scream for my neighbor, Karen (she is a nurse), and I remember the bolt on the door not being turned and locked. I ran back and got another towel to put on my neck. I was screaming and running back and fourth (sic) and still on the phone. I stopped by the kitchen bar in living room where there was my vacuum, I felt so dizzy and I held myself up on the vacuum. An officer came in and stood by my son Damon, I hung up the phone and dropped to the floor. I screamed for my husband to check on Drake (our baby) Darin did & came back and said he was O-K, Darin then went out front door to get neighbors. a second officer arrives and I tell both officers a man went out the utility room, the officers proceeded to go into kitchen into utility room.
Darin came back in and said both our babies were dead, I fell down again and kept screaming who would do this, I was so dizzy and hysterical. Two paramedics came -- one went to Devon, the other to Damon. I grabbed Damon's shirt and the paramedic wouldn't tell me he was dead, then he took Damon out of the house. Two paramedics came to me and I stood up and then I passed out.
Next thing I remember I'm on the front porch and Karen is by my side, I thought I was dying and I made her promise to find the man that killed my babies and she did. Karen then went into house. So many people were running in and out of the house and I felt so dizzy. I remember one paramedic telling me my necklace was stuck in my throat and he couldn't remove it. then my husband asked me where my panties were and I realized they were gone. Next thing I'm in the ambulance and I couldn't breathe and they put oxygen on me. Then I remember being in the ER and someone taking off my necklace and that's when I began to feel the pain, it hurt so bad, I begged them to make the pain stop and finally they said they had to operate and they put me under.
Next thing I remember waking up a crying and screaming my babies were dead, there were two officers asking me questions about my husband and the man I saw. I told them all I could remember. I don't remember any of the days I was in the hospital except the last day (Saturday) The nurse came in and gave me a shower and kept telling me how bad my arms looked and did I remember anything, and I told her I couldn't remember but thought I struggled or fought the man. then I got to hold my baby and they quit giving me shots of pain medicine and gave me pills instead. Two officers were there and said they were going to take Darin and I into the P.D. before the boy"s viewing so they could get statements from us. My husband and I didn't think anything of it. The officers got us to the P.D. around 5:00 p.m., separated us and made us talk about what happened. We were supposed to be at the viewing at 6:00 p.m. and it was about 6:30 when Detective Patterson asked me to give a written statement. I was very upset and crying and told him we were late to be with our little boys and couldn't we do this another day. Patterson told me it was very important to do it then. Finally about 8:00 p.m. they drove my husband and I to the funeral home.
I wasvery heavily medicated and really don't remember much, I walked into the room with my husband and saw my babies holding hands in the casket and fell a little and laid on the casket, I kept screaming and crying, I couldn't stop. My boys looked so beautiful and innocent but they were cold when I kissed them. I fixed their hair and I just wanted to die. People started coming into the room and after about thirty minutes I almost passed out so someone sat me on the couch and helped me. I didn't want to leave but my husband said we had to. I don't remember where we slept that night. The next day we had the funeral. I don't remember much except everyone kept telling me my babies were in heaven and I got angry because they were too little to be in heaven. There were so many people but I just wanted to be left alone. We sent balloons in the air with Devon and Damon's name and had a plane fly over the funeral for them. I don't remember much else except we wanted to put flowers at our home around the fountain from the funeral and (Detective) Patterson said 'no.' but everyone took flowers and we all drove over there and did it anyway. We handed them to the officers and the officers put them around the fountain. Someone took us home. I remember laying there, I was too scared to sit by a window or use the restroom or take a shower by myself -- someone had to be with me and everyone kept giving me pills, I just didn't want to be without my boys.

I held my son Drake, in my arms and kept a picture of Devon and Damon every step I took. Sometime that week the detectives wanted Darin and I to come in a give hair samples and fingerprints. We got there at 2:00 p.m. and they ended up keeping us until 9:30 p.m. I was crying and didn't have my pills, I kept throwing up and Patterson would help me go to the restroom because I kept getting sick but I was scared to be left alone. Patterson asked me about my tatoo and wanted to see it. I showed him. Patterson told me they found this man's fingerprints and it was only a matter of time. Friday, June 14th, was my son Devon's birthday. We went to the grave around 12:30 or 1:00 p.m. and had a prayer service. Around 5 or 5:30 p.m. we met the detectives in a grocery store parking lot in Rowlett to sign a release for blood from the night of the incident. Patterson told us they had over 100 leads and they put cameras on our house and they found flesh under my fingernails from the samples they took at the hospital. Later we found this was all a lie. We proceeded from the store to the boy's grave where we had a birthday party for Devon with all his friends. My little sister bought silly string because my little boys loved it and always played with it. Inside I felt like I was dying but it was my son's birthday and I was only thinking of him. I wasn't celebrating his death, I was honoring his life, yet I have been persecuted for this. It's absurd.

On the 18-19 they (the detectives) called us and told us they had a retired policeman who was going to help us. So around 7:00 p.m. we went to the Rowlett P.D. They put me in a room with a man named Bill Parker and for two hours they tried to brainwash me that I blacked out in my sleep and did this crime and only imagined the man. I told him he was crazy and he told me I was under arrest -- after he told me this I became hysterical and he tried to calm me down and after another hour of him trying to get me to confess to something I know I didn't do, I told him I wanted to do hypnosis, but they wouldn't allow me to have anyone I knew there while I did it so I said forget it and then I want my lawyer. They arrested me while they smoked their cigars and gave their news reports -- they were so proud of themselves -- they make me sick.
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[Jeana (DP)]

Story 15
Darlie's written statement to Police
- as read to the court -

"Darin and my sister Danna came home from working at the shop. The boys were playing with the neighborhood kids outside. I was finishing up dinner. Damon came home and Devon called, and I told him to be home soon, because we were going to eat.
Darin played with the baby Drake with Danna a while, and I had pulled everything together to eat. Devon came home, and we all ate dinner together. After we ate, we cleaned all the plates. I was changing Drake, while Darin put everything in some containers, for left overs. We all talked a little about how happy we' were that the shop had been so busy for the past three weeks, and that we hoped it would continue, since work had been slow for a couple of months. Devon and Damon asked if the they could play with one of their friends
for a little while longer, and so we said okay.
Darin and Danna and I just sat around and watched a little TV. Later, and I'm not sure of the exact time, I asked Darin to drive Danna, my sister home because I wasn't feeling too well. While Darin was gone, the boys brought down there blankets and pillows and asked if they could watch TV. I said, "yes". They came downstairs and played on the the floor in front of the TV with Drake while I made some popcorn.
"Around 20 or 25 minutes later, Darin came in, and sat down with us while we watched TV. Drake started to get fussy, so I made him a bottle, and I believe Darin fed him the bottle. Soon after the boys both fell asleep, Darin took the baby upstairs, and put him in his crib and came back downstairs.
We talked a while about a few problems we were having with the car, and the boat, and had a few words between us. Since I had the baby, I had been having some depression. I told Darin that I was depressed because I had not been able to take the boys anywhere because we only had one car.
He told me that he loved me, and asked me if I wanted him to sleep downstairs with me because I wanted to stay up a while and watch TV. I told him no, because I didn't think that he would be able to sleep on the couch and get any sleep. I had been sleeping on the couch the past week or so, off and on, because the baby slept in our room in the crib, and when he moved, he woke me up.
"Darin and I laid together for a little while, and then decided to go to sleep because he he had work the next day. This was around 12:30 or 1:00 o'clock, I'm not sure. He kissed me and said he loved me, and I told him I loved him and would see him in the morning
After a while, I started to get sleepy. The next thing, I woke up, and felt a pressure on me. I felt Damon press on my right shoulder, and heard him cry. This made me really come awake, and realize there was a man standing down at my feet, walking away from me. I walked after him, and heard glass breaking. I got half way through the kitchen, and turned back around to run and turn on the light. I ran back towards the utility room, and realized there was a big, white-handled knife laying on the floor. It was then that I realized that I had blood all over me, and I grabbed the knife, thinking he was in the garage.

"I looked over and saw the door shut to the garage, and so I thought he might still be in there, and I needed to get Darin. I ran back through the kitchen, and realized that the entire living room area had blood all over everything. I put the knife on the counter and ran into the entrance, turned on the light and started screaming for Darin. I think I screamed twice, and he ran out of the bedroom with his jeans on, and no glasses and was yelling, 'what is it? What is it?,
"I remember saying that he cut them. 'He tried to kill me. My neck'. He ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were. I grabbed the phone and called 911. Darin started giving Devon C P R while I put a towel on my neck, and a towel on Damon's back. I remember telling Damon to hang on, Mommie was there. And I looked over at Darin, and saw the glass table had been knocked half way off, and the flower arrangement had been knocked over. I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor.
"I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place, or if anything was missing. I took a few steps, and opened the door and sqreamed for Karen. I was still on the phone with 911. I don't recall what all was said, because everything was happening so fast. "I went back to Damon, and by him, he had stopped' moving, and the police walked through the door. The paramedics came and tried to work on the children. Darin was screaming 'Who did this? Who did this?' And I started asking if my babies were dead. "Darin was crying and he said yes. After that, I just remember screaming, and showing Darin my neck. Darin took me out the front of the house, and by then Darin ran upstairs to make sure the baby was okay. He showed me Drake was okay, and then handed him to Karen, our neighbor. I remember them holding a towel on my neck. And, wiping my arm, and then he put me in the ambulance. Darin got in, but they told him that he needed to leave, so they could take me -- so they could take care of me.
"I remember get (sic) to the hospital and then them telling me they were taking me to surgery. they took me -- they took off my necklace and put me to sleep. I woke up, and minutes later, the Detectives were there asking me all kinds of questions.
Q. And she signed it, "Darlie Routier".
A. Yes.
Q. And that is her statement as you recall it?
A. written statement.

[Jeana (DP)]

Story 16
5801 EAGLE DRIVE
June 6, 1996
MURDER OF DAMON AND DEVON ROUTIER

This transcript was created from the official tape logs maintained by the Communications Section of the Rowlett Police Department Transcribed by Barry Dickey and Dennis Lowe for Graffiti Productions, Inc.
ABBREVIATIONS AND COLOR CODES

CO1: Communications Officer 1
CO2: Communications Officer 2
FC: Female Caller
MC: Male Caller
BV: Background voice
RADIO: Police & Fire radio
PO: Police Officer at the scene
SND: Sounds individually defined
Total length of transcription: 05:44:28
TRANSCRIPT - ROWLETT 911

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OO:OO:OO COl: ...Rowlett 911...what is your emergency...
00:01:19 FC: ...somebody came here...they broke in...
00:03:27 COl: ...ma'am...
00:05:ll FC: ...they just stabbed me and my children...
00:07:16 COl: ...what...
00:08:05 FC: ...they just stabbed me and my kids...my little boys...
00:09:24 COl: ...who...who did...
00:11:12 FC: ...my little boy is dying...
00:11:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) clear...
00:13:07 COl: ...hang on...hang on...hang on...
00:15:03 FC: ...hurry...(unintelligible)..
00:16:01 COl: ...stand by for medical emergency..
00:18:11 FC: ...ma'am...
00:18:19 COl: ...hang on ma'am...
00:21:26 FC: ...ma'am...
00:23:00 COl: ...unknown medical emergency...5801 Eagle Drive...
00:24:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
00:26:24 FC: ...ma'am...
00:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...I'm trying to get an ambulance to you...hang on a minute...
00:28:20 RADIO: ...(siren)...
00:29:13 FC: ...oh my God...my babies are dying...
00:30:12 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:31:09 COl: ...what's going on ma'am...
00:32:13 FC: ...(unintelligible)...oh my God...
00:33:49 RADIO: ...(tone - signal broadcast)...
00:34:0l BV: ...(unintelligible)...
00:35:20 FC: ...(unintelligible) thought he was dead...oh my God...
00:39:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:39:29 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
00:40:22 COl: ...attention 90l unknown medical emergency 5801...
00:42:23 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:43:15 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)...
00:44:04 COl: ...Eagle Drive...Box 238...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...attention 90l medical emergency...
00:49:28 FC: ...who was breathing...
00:50:l0 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:51:15 FC: ...(unintelligible) are they still laying there (unintelligible)...
00:51:19 COl: ...may be possible stabbing...5801 Eagle Drive...Box 238...
cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...
00:55:06 FC: ...oh my God...what do we do...
00:57:17 COl: ...time out 2:32...
00:58:26 FC: ...oh my God...
00:58:28 COl: ...stamp me a card Clint...0l:0l:02 COl: ...80...
01:01:16 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:02:13 FC: ...oh my God...
01:03:05 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:04:07 COl: ...need units going towards 5801 Eagle Drive...5801 Eagle Drive...
01:04:07 FC: ...oh my God...my baby's dead...
01:07:08 FC: ...Damon...hold on honey...
01:08:ll MC: ...(unitelligible)...
01:08:22 COl: ...hysterical female on the phone..
01:10:03 FC: ...hold on...
01:10:10 MC: ...(unitelligible)...
01:10:26 COl: ...says her child has been stabbed...
01:ll:28 FC: ...I saw them Darie[sic]...
01:12:21 MC: ...oh my God...(unintelligible) ..came in here...
01:14:10 COl: ...ma'am...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
01:14:24 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:16:25 FC: ...ok...
01:16:26 SND: ...(unintelligible)...
01:17:12 COl: ...twice Clint...

[Jeana (DP)]

CONCLUSION:

01:18:26 FC: ...didn't you get my address...
01:20:19 COl: ...5801 Eagle...
01:22:00 FC: ...yes...we need help...
01:22:03 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) will be enroute code...
01:24:20 FC: ...Darin...I don't know who it was...
01:24:2 COl: ...2:33 code...
01:26:15 FC: ...we got to find out who it was...
01:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...
01:28:04 COl: ...ma'am listen...listen to me...
01:29:27 FC: ...yes...yes...(unintelligible)...
01:30:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) I'm clear... do you need anything...
01:32:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
01:32:20 FC: ...oh my God...
01:34:00 COl: ...(unintelligible)...
01:34:22 COl: ...do you take the radio Clint...
01:35:23 CO2: ...yes...
01:36:12 FC: ...oh my God...
01:36:25 COl: ...I...ma'am...
01:38:03 FC: ...yes...
01:38:17 COl: ...I need you to...
01:38:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) start that way (unintelligible)...will revise...
01:39:28 COl: ...I need you to talk to me..

01:41:21 FC: ...what...what...what...
01:44:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:44:28 FC: ...my babies are dead (unintelligible)...
01:46:20 RADIO: ...go ahead and start that way...siren code 4...advise...
01:47:10 FC: ....(unintelligible)...
01:48:03 FC: ...(unintelligible) do you want honey... hold on (unintelligible)...
01:49:17 COl: ...ma'am...I can't understand you...
01:50:21 FC: . ..yes...
01:51:18 COl: ...you're going to have to slow down...calm down...and talk to me...
01:52:19 FC: ...I'm talking to my babies... they're dying...
01:55:03 CO[sic - left out l after O] ...what is going on..
01:56:29 FC: ...somebody came in while I was sleeping...me and my little boys were sleeping downstairs...
02:02:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)I'll be clear...
02:02:20 FC: ...some man...came in...stabbed my babies...stabbed me...I woke up...I was fighting...he ran out through the garage...threw the knife down...my babies are dying...they're dead...oh my God...
02:14:23 COl: ...ok...stay on the phone with me...
02:16:11 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
02:17:06 FC: ...oh my God...
02:17:29 COl: ...what happened... (unintelligible) dispatch 901...

02:20:15 FC: ...hold on honey...hold on...
02:22:01 COl: ...(unintelligible) who was on (unintelligible)...
02:22:26 CO2: ...it was (unintelligible) the white phone...
02:23:08 FC: ...hold on...
02:25:26 CO2: ...they were wondering when we need to dispatch...so I sent a double team...
02:25:28 FC: ...oh my God...oh my God...
02:28:08 COl: ...ok...thanks...
02:28:21 FC: ...oh my God...
02:29:20 SND: ...(unintelligible)...
02:30:01 FC: ...oh my God...
02:30:20 COl: ...ma'am...
02:31:06 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
02:31:14 COl: ...who's there with you...
02:32:15 FC: ...Karen...(unintelligible)...
02:33:15 COl: ...ma'am...
02:34:06 FC: ...what...
02:35:16 COl: ...is there anybody in the house...besides you and your children...
02:38:11 FC: ...no...my husband he just ran downstairs...he's helping me... but they're dying...oh my God... they're dead...
02:43:24 COl: ...ok...ok...how many little boys...is it two boys...
02:46:06 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
02:46:25 FC: ...there's two of 'em...there's two...
02:48:18 RADIO: ...what's the cross street on that address on Eagle...
02:50:15 FC: . ..oh my God...who would do this...
02:53:13 COl: ...(unintelligible) listen to me...calm down... (unintelligible)...
02:53:21 FC: ...I feel really bad...I think I'm dying...
02:55:06 RADIO: ...228...
02:56:17 COl: ...go ahead...

02:58:12 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) address again (unintelligible)...
02:59:12 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
02:59:22 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
03:00:22 COl: ...5801 Eagle Drive...5801 Eagle Drive...
03:03:28 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
03:03:29 COl: ...going to be a stabbing...
03:05:20 FC: ...when are they going to be here...
03:06:20 COl: ...ma'am...they're on their way...
03:08:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
03:08:08 FC: ...I gotta just sit here forever...oh my God...
03:ll:l4 COl: ...2:35...
03:12:05 FC: ...who would do this...who would do this...
03:13:09 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
03:14:26 COl: ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
03:16:08 COl: ...ma'am...how old are your boys...
03:18:20 FC: ...what...
03:19:03 COl: ...how old are your boys..
03:20:04 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)..
03:20:21 COl: ...no...
03:21:01 FC: ...seven and five...
03:22:17 COl: ...ok...
03:23:08 FC: ...oh my God...oh my God...oh...he's dead...
03:29:02 COl: ...calm down...can you...
03:29:03 FC: ...oh God...Devon no...oh my God...
03:30:27 SND: ...(dog barking)...
03:35:02 COl: ...is your name Darlie...
03:36:11 FC: ...yes...
03:36:26 COl: ...this is her...
03:37:09 COl: ...is your husbands[sic] name Darin...
03:38:22 FC: ...yes...please hurry...God they're taking forever...
03:41:20 COl: ...there's nobody in your house...there was...was...
03:44:05 COl: ...you don't know who did this...
03:45:19 PO: ...look for a rag...
03:46:ll FC: ...they killed our babies...
03:48:03 PO: ...lay down...ok...just sit down... (unintelligible)...
03:51:ll COl: ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
03:52:13 FC: ...no...he ran out...uh...they ran out in the garage...I was sleeping...
03:54:09 COl: ...(unintelligible)...
03:56:19 FC: ...my babies over here already cut...can I (unintelligible)...
03:59:29 MC: ...(unintelligible) phone is right there...
04:01:28 FC: ...(unintelligible)...
04:03:01 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
04:05:03 FC: ...ya'll look out in the garage...look out in the garage...they left a knife laying on...
04:08:21 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
04:09:19 COl: ...there's a knife...don't touch anything...
04:ll:18 FC: ...I already touched it and picked it up...
04:12:05 RADIO: ...10-4...
04:15:20 COl: ...who's out there...is anybody out there..

DP AGAIN:

SO, IN THE SPAN OF SECONDS, SHE GOES FROM MORE THAN ONE INTRUDER TO TWO INTRUDERS?????? :waitasec: :waitasec:

[Jeana (DP)]

wouldn't they have tried to make her a deal to not pursue the death penalty if she gave them her husband? If she's still denying his involvement seems likely he's not involved but then who knows...


You cannot make a deal when the prosecutor is seeking the death penalty. A jury is the only trier of fact who can recommend the death penalty, which a judge must then accept or not.

[Jeana (DP)]

If you'll notice at one point she claims that she fought with the intruder(s). Now she claims that on the 911 tape she says she was "FRIGHTENING." Anyone know what that means? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[deputylinda]

If you'll notice at one point she claims that she fought with the intruder(s). Now she claims that on the 911 tape she says she was "FRIGHTENING." Anyone know what that means? :confused: :confused: :confused:
how FRIGHTENING she must have been.... to her babies?

[Jeana (DP)]

how FRIGHTENING she must have been.... to her babies?



Exactly! When you feel up to it, I'd love for you to give that 911 call your undivided attention and tell me what you think may be wrong - or right - with it, please lady!!!

[blueclouds]

hummmmmmmmm not touching her children at all? never thought of that.

BTW, on Unsolved Mysteries or a show like that, didn't her "former friend" say a couple of days after the murder, she went in and Darlie was walking all over the carpet that was still soaked in blood. Talking about her stuff. Not mentioning the boys at all?? Is that true or not?

BTW, lots to read Jeana, TY.

[Jeana (DP)]

hummmmmmmmm not touching her children at all? never thought of that.

BTW, on Unsolved Mysteries or a show like that, didn't her "former friend" say a couple of days after the murder, she went in and Darlie was walking all over the carpet that was still soaked in blood. Talking about her stuff. Not mentioning the boys at all?? Is that true or not?

BTW, lots to read Jeana, TY.

Yes, that is true. She made a comment something to the effect of "look what a mess they made in here."

Something else that bothered me. They had a garage sale and the proceeds went to her defense fund. They sold the boys stuff at a garage sale.

Not only that, but after the house was emptied of all of their personal belongings, one of the prosecutors was looking around the house and went up into the attic. He found a box of photograhs and other items - of the boys. They didn't even bother to take the kids' pictures.

Also, before Darlie's trial, the family gave to the neighbors items from the house. Now some people think that she was trying to earn favor with them by giving them things so that they wouldn't be too hard on her during their testimony. Unfortunately for her, it didn't work.

The family likes to complain about the vide of the "silly string party," being prejudicial. What they don't advertise is the fact that they INVITED the media to that party at the gravesite in exchange for money. They wanted the media to pay for their out of town friends and relatives to be put up in hotels.

They will tell you that before that gravesite party, there was a tearful service and Darlie was a wreck. For any of you who have seen that video and the ones that followed, you may have noticed that Darlie is fair skinned. When they've shown videotape of her when she actually did cry, her face was red, blotchy and puffy (just like any of ours would be, right?). The videotape of the silly string party doesn't show any redness, no blotchy skin, no bloodshot eyes, no puffy face. Just a happy, smiling, hot pant wearing, gum smacking murderer.

[VespaElf]

Jeana,
WOW!!!!!

Thank you so much for all the info!!
Everytime I watch or read something about Darlie they paint such a different picture (its so cloudy and always left room for so many doubts)which is why Ive been on the fence.............until now. SHES GUILTY!!!!! Her story just changes wildly wayyyyyyyyyy too much.
I still think her husband had prior knowledge (or at the very least after the fact knowledge) and may also very well have been directly involved(Ive always thought he planted the bloody sock).

What an eye opener!!!!!!!

[Jeana (DP)]

I agree MessieCake! I think Darin has a wealth of info. That's why I think that while some people supporting Darlie want her to try and frame him, she'll never go there because he could seal her fate for good!!! ;)

[deputylinda]

Exactly! When you feel up to it, I'd love for you to give that 911 call your undivided attention and tell me what you think may be wrong - or right - with it, please lady!!!
she's fixated on the knife. she goes from some man to "they" as you pointed out. why doesn't darin take the phone from her?!... she's "grieveously" injured right? he should be taking charge. it's pretty contrived. too much about the knife. and darin knows what happened as this call plays out. it's the equivalent of a 3 page "ransom note". i am not talking about the stories/statements here, just the phone call. and oh...SHE is "dying" and will have to sit there forever??

[Jeana (DP)]

Well, she wants people to believe that she was seriously injured; however, the doctor at the emergency room said he would have released her the same day except he was concerned that the media would be a nuisance and they thought she needed some rest due to the emotional stress of having two children dead. The fact that the boys were "over"killed and she suffered only minor injuries was a major factor in the police being suspicious from the beginning. She claims that she was the target and that SHE was attacked first. Seeing the photographs of the boys at autopsy, it was pretty clear to me that whomever murdered these two boys knew exactly how to do so and that if the same person who killed them wanted Darlie dead, then she'd be six feet under!

[deputylinda]

how do you anaylze the call? and do you have link to autopsy photos? was it abdominal/thoracic wounds, or for the jugular/clinically accurate?

[Jeana (DP)]

how do you anaylze the call? and do you have link to autopsy photos? was it abdominal/thoracic wounds, or for the jugular/clinically accurate?


Yes, I've seen the photos, but they're not on the internet. Darlie had a slice to her neck, one minor stab wound to one of her forearms and one on her chest (of course avoiding the breast implants).

The boys were seriously STABBED. The wounds were deep penatrating wounds. Some of them were almost three inches deep into their chests or backs. One author wrote that they went all the way through to the carpeting, but they actually didn't make it that far - close though.

[camillllla]

Yes, I've seen the photos, but they're not on the internet. Darlie had a slice to her neck, one minor stab wound to one of her forearms and one on her chest (of course avoiding the breast implants).

The boys were seriously STABBED. The wounds were deep penatrating wounds. Some of them were almost three inches deep into their chests or backs. One author wrote that they went all the way through to the carpeting, but they actually didn't make it that far - close though.

Hi everyone!

I dont know if this thread is still active, but I just wanted to say that DP is doing a great job at informing about this case. There is of course tons more to read, the transcripts for example. There is also a new site coming, with photos, including autopsy and some crime scene photos. However, it will be a pro-Darlie site, so what is there in addition to the transcripts is there to try to convince veiwers that she is innocent.
The site is not ready for public access as I am writing this, but here is the llink: www.routiertranscripts.com ( you ARE allowed to access the transcripts now, and on the top of the page there is a link to the main site with the photos etc, hopefully coming soon)

DP and I know quite a lot about this case so if you have any questions we will do our best to answer them. (My area of 'expertise' in this case is the blood and fiber and crime scene photos. )

So if any of you have any doubt about her guilt, we'll convince you that she is, and why she is, guilty as charged !! :D

c

[Jeana (DP)]

You have to be a member to view the photos and I'm not even sure what else. I'm sure they want a way to track everyone that comes or goes - as usual.

[NewMom2003]

Jeana, you've given a wonderful synopsis here of Darlie's various "stories". :clap:

I've seen a few shows on tv (American Justice, etc.) about the Routier case, but I've never read any of the books. It's very hard for me to read about children being murdered (books about Susan Smith almost did me in). I don't know enough about this case to know if she's guilty or not.

Anyway, my questions is about the bruises on her arms. In one of the shows I saw, they showed pictures of Darlie in the hospital with these horrible bruises. They interviewed one of the jurors that said the pictures were never shown to them in court. They also went on to say that the nurses that treated her lied on the stand about her emotional state and bruises. What do you make of this.

[Jeana (DP)]

New Mom, Darlie's own attorney (who by the way was voted the BEST Defense attorney in the State of Texas) said the photos were shown in open court.

Some experts say that since Darle was in the hospital for only a day, it would have been impossible for the bruises to have been caused that night because bruises take time to become that dark.

The real bruising didn't start to show up until she was in the police station being "foot printed" days after she was released from the hospital.

Edited to add, that the synopsis of the different versions of Darlie's stories were done by an old poster who was an ex-cop - not by me. She does allow them to be used however.

[NewMom2003]

Another question I have is motive. What would her motive have been? It seems like I remember that the prosecutors said the motive was money, but on the show I saw I thought it said the boys were only insured for around $5,000 each. Enough to barely cover the burials. If freedom was her motive, why did she leave the third son alive?

Like I wrote before, I don't know enough about this case. I'm only going off what I've seen on tv and who knows if that information is correct or not.


P.S. From your previous posts, I take it that you live in the Dallas area. That's the area where the case that got me started on true crime started (well almost - Fort Worth). I have been totally intrigued with the Cullen Davis case since I accidentally ran across one of the books when I was in junior high school trying to do a project on Texas history. If you ever see him walking the streets in Dallas, please spit in his eye for me.

[NewMom2003]

New Mom, Darlie's own attorney (who by the way was voted the BEST Defense attorney in the State of Texas) said the photos were shown in open court.

Some experts say that since Darle was in the hospital for only a day, it would have been impossible for the bruises to have been caused that night because bruises take time to become that dark.

The real bruising didn't start to show up until she was in the police station being "foot printed" days after she was released from the hospital.

Edited to add, that the synopsis of the different versions of Darlie's stories were done by an old poster who was an ex-cop - not by me. She does allow them to be used however.

I didn't realize she only spent one day in the hospital. For some reason, I thought her injuries were more extensive than that.

I also read on one of your posts that the boys were buried with knives. Bizarre! What is that about???

Forgive me, I wish I knew more about this case.

[lisafremont]

Between the end of that case and the Lori Hackings murder trial (if there even is one), we'll need a good case to talk about.

Jeana, I've got a case for you! They just began jury selection. It's the trial of Daniel Pelosi for the murder of Ted Ammon. I started a thread and have posted some links to newsarticles.

It's got money, sex and mystery. Come on over!

[Jeana (DP)]

I didn't realize she only spent one day in the hospital. For some reason, I thought her injuries were more extensive than that.

I also read on one of your posts that the boys were buried with knives. Bizarre! What is that about???

Forgive me, I wish I knew more about this case.


The doctor said he would have released her immediately had it not been for the media hype. He thought she wouldn't get any rest because they were hounding her and remember at that time, they thought she was really odd, but not a suspect.

They were burried in the same coffin with Swiss Army Knives. Their parents said that they always wanted them, so now they've got them. I guess they didn't realize how the rest of the world would interpret this (and other) acts in the days and weeks after the murders.

Don't worry about not knowing enough to know all this crap! Sometimes I wish I didn't!!!

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana, I've got a case for you! They just began jury selection. It's the trial of Daniel Pelosi for the murder of Ted Ammon. I started a thread and have posted some links to newsarticles.

It's got money, sex and mystery. Come on over!

I'll take a peek!!

[Bhodirasta]

P.S. From your previous posts, I take it that you live in the Dallas area. That's the area where the case that got me started on true crime started (well almost - Fort Worth). I have been totally intrigued with the Cullen Davis case since I accidentally ran across one of the books when I was in junior high school trying to do a project on Texas history. If you ever see him walking the streets in Dallas, please spit in his eye for me.


My grandfather knew that man well. Thought and knew he was guilty from day one. My grandparents literally lived right around the bend from Mockingbird Lane. I used to sneak over there and stare at the house when I was a kiddo. My grandma knew Pricilla quite well. Just shows ya what money can buy... :bang: :sick:
This was my first real look at how bad money and power can really be...

Bhodi

[Jeana (DP)]

My grandfather knew that man well. Thought and knew he was guilty from day one. My grandparents literally lived right around the bend from Mockingbird Lane. I used to sneak over there and stare at the house when I was a kiddo. My grandma knew Pricilla quite well. Just shows ya what money can buy... :bang: :sick:
This was my first real look at how bad money and power can really be...

Bhodi


Pricilla (and Darlie) are both proof positive that money can't buy good taste. Two of the tackiest women ever.

[cami]

Hi everyone!

I dont know if this thread is still active, but I just wanted to say that DP is doing a great job at informing about this case. There is of course tons more to read, the transcripts for example. There is also a new site coming, with photos, including autopsy and some crime scene photos. However, it will be a pro-Darlie site, so what is there in addition to the transcripts is there to try to convince veiwers that she is innocent.
The site is not ready for public access as I am writing this, but here is the llink: www.routiertranscripts.com ( you ARE allowed to access the transcripts now, and on the top of the page there is a link to the main site with the photos etc, hopefully coming soon)

DP and I know quite a lot about this case so if you have any questions we will do our best to answer them. (My area of 'expertise' in this case is the blood and fiber and crime scene photos. )

So if any of you have any doubt about her guilt, we'll convince you that she is, and why she is, guilty as charged !! :D

c

Convince me, convince me. LOL Just kidding you two. It's me fugi. GAC must be shut.

[Jeana (DP)]

Convince me, convince me. LOL Just kidding you two. It's me fugi. GAC must be shut.


I was just about to pick up my transcript and my MTJD and arm myself!! LOL Welcome Fugi!! I don't know what happened to GAC?????

[Dark Knight]

The doctor said he would have released her immediately had it not been for the media hype. He thought she wouldn't get any rest because they were hounding her and remember at that time, they thought she was really odd, but not a suspect.

They were burried in the same coffin with Swiss Army Knives. Their parents said that they always wanted them, so now they've got them. I guess they didn't realize how the rest of the world would interpret this (and other) acts in the days and weeks after the murders.

Don't worry about not knowing enough to know all this crap! Sometimes I wish I didn't!!!
My theory, after studying this case, is that the husband battered Darlie and gave her the bruises, which led to her killing her children in a fit of rage, or possibly revenge against him. They had some physical fights before, I had read. And I am familiar with abused wives who then take it out on the kids. This is simply an extreme case of the same thing. It was clearly a rage killing, that's for sure. But he caused the bruises, in my opinion, setting off that chain of events. Hence him being so quiet about what he knows, most likely. Make any sense??

[cami]

Jeana, you've given a wonderful synopsis here of Darlie's various "stories". :clap:

I've seen a few shows on tv (American Justice, etc.) about the Routier case, but I've never read any of the books. It's very hard for me to read about children being murdered (books about Susan Smith almost did me in). I don't know enough about this case to know if she's guilty or not.

Anyway, my questions is about the bruises on her arms. In one of the shows I saw, they showed pictures of Darlie in the hospital with these horrible bruises. They interviewed one of the jurors that said the pictures were never shown to them in court. They also went on to say that the nurses that treated her lied on the stand about her emotional state and bruises. What do you make of this.

I don't feel the AJ program is a good outlet for the Routier case. It's entertainment after all and not journalism. It's geared to her innocence if you ask me. Invisible Intruder on Medical Detectives is the best documentary to watch if you can ever find it. It covers the forensics, the blood evidence. That cast-off blood is a real eye opener and it was for me. I was on the fence until I saw this program and it threw me right off in to the guilty side of the yard.

Both Pros and Def attorneys agree that all the photos of her bruises were shown to the jury.

I don't know about the nurses. The way I see it is the focus notes are bound by law and doctor/patient confidentiality which extends to nurses I think. They can only report on the patient's wellbeing and the course of treatment in their notes and not their personal opinions. On the witness stand, they were voicing their personal opinions and observations of Darlie when she was their patient. As for the lying about the bruises, it's only Darlie's family and Darin that have made that accusation.

Those arm bruises are very strange. No weapon pattern. How do you bruise your arm in one complete bruise from wrist to armpit? Very strange.

[Jeana (DP)]

DK, they did have a fight that night. They said it was not "physical," but they "said" a lot of things that turned out to be lies. She asked him for a separation that night. Her mother, lawyers, and supporters all thought this was a big enough deal that they lied about it before, during and after the trial. Her mother told me the truth though and then lied about even telling me that. It wasn't until the appeal was filed and affidavits came out that Darin confessed that they had argued and she asked him for a separation. So, while I don't remember hearing about them ever having a "physical" fight, I tend to believe it was the case. I seem to recall that Darlie has been diagnosed as having a histronic personality (let's hope I'm not getting her confused with Diane Downs). Anyway, I believe that Darin was completely "P-whipped" and Darlie was pretty used to being able to throw a temper tantrum and running her mouth and Darin would usually cave in and give her what she wanted. Its been my theory that this particular time, he probably told her to "f" off. She flew into a rage and murdered the boys.

[cami]

Jeana, I've got a case for you! They just began jury selection. It's the trial of Daniel Pelosi for the murder of Ted Ammon. I started a thread and have posted some links to newsarticles.

It's got money, sex and mystery. Come on over!

I didn't really want to comment on your post, just your Peterson thingy, I don't know what you call it, I LOVE IT, aaaaahahahahahaah it's great.

[Jeana (DP)]

Those arm bruises are very strange. No weapon pattern. How do you bruise your arm in one complete bruise from wrist to armpit? Very strange.


I think they were caused by Darin pinning her arms down with his legs during the fight.

[Jeana (DP)]

Fugi, now that you're here, check out the rest of Websleuths!! You're going to be drawn into conversations you've never dreamed of having on the internet. There are good people here! I think you'll like it a lot better than GAC.

[Dark Knight]

DK, they did have a fight that night. They said it was not "physical," but they "said" a lot of things that turned out to be lies. She asked him for a separation that night. Her mother, lawyers, and supporters all thought this was a big enough deal that they lied about it before, during and after the trial. Her mother told me the truth though and then lied about even telling me that. It wasn't until the appeal was filed and affidavits came out that Darin confessed that they had argued and she asked him for a separation. So, while I don't remember hearing about them ever having a "physical" fight, I tend to believe it was the case. I seem to recall that Darlie has been diagnosed as having a histronic personality (let's hope I'm not getting her confused with Diane Downs). Anyway, I believe that Darin was completely "P-whipped" and Darlie was pretty used to being able to throw a temper tantrum and running her mouth and Darin would usually cave in and give her what she wanted. Its been my theory that this particular time, he probably told her to "f" off. She flew into a rage and murdered the boys.
I read that they were at some party and got into a huge fight that apparently caused some pushing and shoving, if my memory serves me right, which isn't a guarantee, lol! But I remember that is what led me to theorize he had battered her that night, causing the bruises, and sending her into the rage against the boys, and keeping him very quiet about it all.

[Jeana (DP)]

DK, you must be referring to another argument. They were not at a party the night of the murders. There was one fight they had that should have been a huge red flag and 20/20 eyesight into Darlie's personality. At Darin's graduation party, she was not getting the attention she apparently needed and wanted to leave. He did not want to go, so she went without him. According to the "source," she came back to the party not too long after she left, claiming to have been attacked by someone. Of course, this got the attention focused back on her (where it apparently belonged) and she got her way. I think she had an awful lot of that over the years - until the night of the murders anyway.

[Dark Knight]

DK, you must be referring to another argument. They were not at a party the night of the murders. There was one fight they had that should have been a huge red flag and 20/20 eyesight into Darlie's personality. At Darin's graduation party, she was not getting the attention she apparently needed and wanted to leave. He did not want to go, so she went without him. According to the "source," she came back to the party not too long after she left, claiming to have been attacked by someone. Of course, this got the attention focused back on her (where it apparently belonged) and she got her way. I think she had an awful lot of that over the years - until the night of the murders anyway.
Yes, I meant another arguement, that showed how bad their fights got. This is from Crimelibary.com:

"Roots of domestic problems surfaced. Celebrants at a Christmas party silently watched as Darlie and Darin argued violently when Darlie danced too many times with another man."

Guess you can interpret "violently" how you wish. But another fight like that the night of the murders, and it would be enough for her to snap and teach him a lesson, so to speak. It was also said she was losing interest in her kids as well as her patience with them. Maybe they said or did something during or after her fight with him that caused her to finally snap.

[Jeana (DP)]

You're absolutely right DK!! I lived about 5 minutes away from them when the murders happened. There are a lot of people who talk still about this case. I've heard that the boys used to stand outside and beg her to be allowed to come back into the house. She'd lock them out. Darin said she was a "cleanaholic," or some such nonsense. IIf even half of the rumors that I've heard are true, she deserves to be jailed on child negligect charges alone.

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I really believe she is guilty then the sock they found down the street makes me wonder.
Can you explain this to me. Thank you.

[cami]

Fugi, now that you're here, check out the rest of Websleuths!! You're going to be drawn into conversations you've never dreamed of having on the internet. There are good people here! I think you'll like it a lot better than GAC.


Okay will do. I just hope I can contribute. Thanks DP!

Still no GAC, LOL. I guess we broke it!

[cami]

I think they were caused by Darin pinning her arms down with his legs during the fight.


When I first saw that arm, I thought it was bruised due to the trauma to the forearm bone!!! I've had that happen to me before. But then when I saw how massive it was and black, it looked more like blood settling! Then I thought it was slammed down on something, now I can honestly say I haven't a clue. LOl

[Jeana (DP)]

Quick - one of us has to go to medical school so we can figure this darned thing out!!! LOL I've heard other explanations that sound plausible, so I'm kinda with you - I go back and forth.

[cami]

I really believe she is guilty then the sock they found down the street makes me wonder.
Can you explain this to me. Thank you.

Not me, ST. I haven't a clue about that sock. Some think she needed to get rid of it, some think it was planted in an attempt to incriminate the homeowners near where it was found. I know the authorities believe it was left there in an attempt to stage by Darlie but I don't have a clue what she might have been staging it out there for. Maybe DP or Camilla have a better explanation than me.

[Jeana (DP)]

I really believe she is guilty then the sock they found down the street makes me wonder.
Can you explain this to me. Thank you.


Who me???? If yes, I'll try. It depends on who you ask. Some think Darlie put it there herself. I don't have my photos up here with me, but there is one photograph taken inside the house by the front door. Half propped up against a trunk that is inside by the door is a pair of Darin's tennis shoes. HI-TOPPED tennis shoes. However, the laces are done up all the way. Some theorize that its impossible for the actual owner of the shoe to get his foot out unless the laces are undone to a certain degree. I've heard supporters say its possible. I played basketball in school and I can tell you, I had to unlace mine to get my foot out. Darlie's foot is much smaller than Darin's foot, so if she wore his shoes when she went outside to place the sock, there would have been no need for her to unlace these shoes. There is also a nice spot of blood dropplets that says someone stood by that door for longer than just a second. Darin's sock was used at some point during the murders as it contained DNA from Darlie and blood from the boys.

Then, there are other people who think Darin put the sock out there to help Darlie cover up. Darin and Darlie cannot seem to even agree whether Darin (a) heard Darlie's screams and then came down stairs; or (b) heard the glass break and then came down stairs or (c) whether he heard glass break and then heard Darlie scream and then came down stairs.

Darlie and Darin also can't seem to agree on what Darin was wearing when he came down stairs. Darin claims to sleep in the nude (which to me is strange on its own). When you've got an infant in the house that you expect to wake you up sometime in the middle of the night, most parents I've talked to say they wear something to bed. Anyway, Darin at one point says that he came downstairs wearing nothing but his glasses, which he cannot see without. Then, another time, I read somewhere that he said that he put the glasses and the pants on. Then another time I read that he just put the pants on.

When you've got not one, but two people who continually tell different stories to different people, its hard to say with any degree of specificity what exactly happened. The fact is that Darin failed miserably on the lie detector tests. According to whom you believe, so did Darlie. Darlie also had hypnosis type regression therapy, which also must have hurt her, since we're not hearing much about it.

The bottom line for me was the tiny blood dropplets on the back shoulder of the shirt she slept in that night. Sure, most people say that it was cast off blood as she raised the knife again and again, but what troubles me is the fact that this mother of three didn't have any other blood on her. What loving mother would just stand there and watch the life drain out of her babies? How could you keep a mother away? Wouldn't most mothers at least be trying to stop the bleeding? Wouldn't most mothers at least hold and comfort their dying children? Talk to them? Tell them you're there with them? Not just stand there and watch as the police officer tells her not once, not twice, but THREE times to put pressure on the wounds!!!! She just stood there. No. Darlie Routier should have been covered with blood because she was cradling the boys in her arms and telling them that she's there with them and she loved them. A few specks of blood on the back of her nightshirt spoke louder to me than anything else.

[Sherlock]

Thanks for coming over Camilla. I'm hoping to get the discussion going once the Peterson case wraps up. Between the end of that case and the Lori Hackings murder trial (if there even is one), we'll need a good case to talk about. In the meantime, please feel free to post any links or other information that might get things started.

We've also got some posters here that are interested in the West Memphis Three case. Do you know of that one?

Jeana: I haven't read this whole thread yet, I stopped when I read this post. I followed this case minimally, but have always been very interested in it. Not just the murders, the their whole life style, the money, her behavior at the graves, etc. I don't know all the details and would love if you started this topic. I think there would be enough interest. Are you game?

Sherlock

[lisag]

I too think DArlie is as guilty as sin - and I have to agree that I Think it was sometype of revenge killing against her hubby... I think he knows alot more than he is willing to share.. How can all of that happen on the main floor of the house while he is upstairs and he hears NOTHING... sounds a little fishy...

Yes, Darlie should have been covered in blood... Holding her babies, rocking her babies, trying ot stop the bleeding... Their blood should be all over her...But it was not - and that in itself tells a story..

[nanandjim]

I always suspected the mother. It never made sense to me that an intruder would leave the biggest threat (the adult) alive and the least injured. If it were truly an intruder, he would have killed her first.

Further, if it were an intruder, what would the motive be? Just some nut entering the home for no other reason than to kill?? If this were the case, wouldn't he have been armed before entering the home?

Sorry, but both Darin and Darlie seem like "trailer trash." I wouldn't want them living in my neighborhood.

Darlie is where she needs to be. I think Darin knows a lot more than currently revealed. However, I'm not sure Darlie will ever reveal the truth...maybe after all of her appeals are exhausted. I still don't think so. Darin probably gives her money and visits, etc.

In any case I don't think anything revealed by Darlie will set her free because I think that she killed the boys.

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana: I haven't read this whole thread yet, I stopped when I read this post. I followed this case minimally, but have always been very interested in it. Not just the murders, the their whole life style, the money, her behavior at the graves, etc. I don't know all the details and would love if you started this topic. I think there would be enough interest. Are you game?

Sherlock


Of course Sherlock. Let me know what you want to know about. I'll give a brief description, but I'm going on memory here and honestly haven't discussed this case for a while because I was on Darlie overload! LOL

They purchased their home for about $130,000. Darin owned his own business (Testnec) (may be spelled incorrectly). At one time, he was bringing in a very good amount of money. However, by the time of the murders, his business was failing. I believe he only brought in about $75,000 that year.

They owned two automobiles. A Jaguar, which was 10 years old and was broken down at the time of the murders. Darlie was at home with three young boys all day while Darin was at work and had no vehicle.

They took out a loan for a "hot tub house" for their backyard for about $10,000.

They had no savings at all.

They also had a loan for a cabin cruiser.

They were in debt to credit card companies for a little over $12,000.

They were two years behind in paying their taxes and were trying to catch up by paying $1000.00 per month.

They were two months behind on their mortgage and the district attorneys office produced a letter that apparently was found in their garbage can. I believe a payment was made in the day or so before the murder.

They had been trying to plan for Darlie to take a vaction away from Darin (can't remember exactly what for now, but I believe to visit relatives in another state). They tried to take out a $5000.00 loan, but were turned down. They say it was for a truck for Darlie's sister, Dana, but they also had no way to pay for Darlie's trip. They were also planning on renewing their marriage vows and had no money to pay for those expenses either (I believe a second honeymoon was being planned).

A local news station wanted the exclusive rights to the funeral, so the Routiers actually took money from the news station to allow them to attend. The money was used for hotel rooms for out of state guests who attended the funeral, or so I'm told.

For a man whose only bringing in $75,000 (or less) per year, they were living WAY WAY beyond their means. Darlie was a stay at home mother, yet she had someone come and help her with the housework.

If you have any other questions, let me know and I'll do my best to answer them.

[Jeana (DP)]

I always suspected the mother. It never made sense to me that an intruder would leave the biggest threat (the adult) alive and the least injured. If it were truly an intruder, he would have killed her first.


You're right on target here. Another big problem in Darlie's lies is her trying to shift the focus of the intended target. She is adamant that SHE was the target. Not the boys. If you compare her wounds to the wounds the boys received, you'll notice striking differences. She had "slash" wounds. The boys had deep penetrating wounds to the trunks of their bodies. The person who murdered those boys knew EXACTLY where to stab them to create the most damage. If the murderer wanted Darlie dead and if she was indeed the first one attacked that night, she'd be dead. The supporters want you to believe that she was so awesomely beautiful that some guy decided that if he couldn't have her, she couldn't live. They claim that Darlie's panties that she was wearing that night are missing. Well I think that's crap. There was a huge pile of dirty laundry a few feet away from the room the murders occurred in. That's apparently where the "intruder" obtained the sock that was found outside. If Darlie wanted the police to believe that she was the target of a sexual assault, it would have taken all of two seconds for her to take off her panties and put them in that dirty laundry pile. We're supposed to believe that Darlie's telling the truth about missing panties????? This woman has told at least 16 DIFFERENT versions of the events of that night. I'm not too fired up about a pair of missing underwear.

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Thanks everyone for the answers. That helps alot...Sassy

[Sherlock]

Hi,

Since I saw this thread, I started doing a lot of reading on this case. Although I'm leaning towards guilty, because some things just don't add up, I'm still not convinced. There are a lot of unaswered questions. I came upon this article, and it outlines some of the questions I have.

The attorney that represented Darlie Routier at trial had an apparent conflict of interest, because he reportedly had a pre-arrangement with Darin Routier and other family members not to pursue any defense that could implicate Darin. This attorney allegedly stopped key experts for the defense from completing forensic examinations.

Other areas of concern, which were never brought to the attention of the jury, include the pictures of Darlie's cuts and bruises on her arms which were taken when she was hospitalized the night of the murders. At least one jury told reporters he would never have voted to convict if he had seen those photographs.

Bloody fingerprints have been found that do not belong to Darlie, Darin, the children or any of the police or other people in the Routier house the night of the murder. This contradicts testimony given during her trial that stated there were no fingerprints found outside the home.

Questions her defense team want answered:
A bloody fingerprint was found on the living room table. Who does it belong to?

There was a bloody fingerprint on the door of the garage. Who does it belong to?

Darin Routier's jeans had blood on them. Whose blood is it?

A pubic hair was found in the Routier living room. Who does it belong to?

How did the blood on Darlie's nightshirt get there and whose is it?

Did the police get debris on the knife in the kitchen while investigating the murder or did it come from the screen door?

Other areas of concern which were never brought to the attention of the jury include the pictures of Darlie's cut's and bruises on her arms which were taken when she was hospitalized the night of the murders.
Darin Routier has admitted to trying to arrange an insurance scam, which included someone breaking into their home. He has admitted that he had begun the initial steps to arrange a break-in, but that it was to be done when no one was at home. No jury has ever heard this admittance.

The incriminating Birthday Party film that was viewed by the jury showed Darlie dancing on the graves of her son along with other family members, but did not include the filming of the hours previous to that scene when Darlie sobbed and grieved over the graves with her husband Darin. Why was the additional footage not shown to the jury?

Neighbors reported seeing a black car sitting in front of the Routier home a week before the murders took place. Other neighbors reported seeing the same car leaving the area on the night of the murders. Were these reports investigated by police?

Investigators during her trial invoked their fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination during cross examination, preventing the defense from rebuting their testimony. What did these investigators fear by being cross-examined?

There was discussion of the police not protecting the evidence as they collected it which could have possibly damaged it's origins. Did this really occur?

More Questions that Need Answers
The screen which investigators reported to the press as being cut from the inside was later proven in court to be cut from the outside.

When the paramedics arrived at the scene they said that Darin Routier was outside, but Darin was inside trying to save his children. Who was the man outside?

Was the testimony from the nurses in the hospital coached and rehearsed in mock trials by the prosecution prior to their testimony, as it has been reported?

The surgeon who operated on Darlie said that the cut in her neck was 2mm of the carotid sheath but was superficial to the carotid artery. The necklace she was wearing was damaged as a result of the wound but it also blocked the knife from going deeper into her neck. Did the jury get a clear understanding as to the seriousness of her wounds?

Was there an improper read-back of testimony to the jury by the court reporter, due to mistakes she made in the transcript?

The prosecution has reportedly refused to provide access to any evidence in their custody in the case. Why is it not readily available to all interested parties?

The advancements in DNA testing could put many of these questions to rest. Why is there such a reluctance to do the testing?

Some writers who have interviewed Darlie Routier have decided to help her fight to get a new trial. Since reporting their opinions on her situation, they report that their ability to visit her has been blocked or made so inconvenient that little can be accomplished.

Here is the link:

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/darlieroutier_3.htm

If anyone is familiar with these points, let me know! It is intriquing. I can't imagine that her cuts would be so minor, and her boys would be plunging stabs. That doesn't sit well with me. I also can't imagine sleeping through two attacks. The children had to have yelled or moaned or something. I also listened to her 911 call, and there is a bit of an "acting" feeling I'm getting from it. She is hysterical, but overly so imo.

I would like to think that in a similar situation, although panicked, I would have the sense to try and handle the situation to help keep my sons alive, rather than run around hysterical yelling "Oh my god, oh my God" and doing nothing for the boys.

-Sherlock

[Jeana (DP)]

Other areas of concern, which were never brought to the attention of the jury, include the pictures of Darlie's cuts and bruises on her arms which were taken when she was hospitalized the night of the murders. At least one jury told reporters he would never have voted to convict if he had seen those photographs.

Bloody fingerprints have been found that do not belong to Darlie, Darin, the children or any of the police or other people in the Routier house the night of the murder. This contradicts testimony given during her trial that stated there were no fingerprints found outside the home.
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Those photographs WERE shown to the jury. Douglas Mulder, Darlie's attorney (and by the way, the BEST criminal defense attorney in the State of Texas) ADMITTED that they were introduced.

The so-called fingerprint is reportedly "small." Approximately the size of a child or small adult according to experts. There are not enough points to be sure, but more than a couple experts say that they're most likely Darlie's print.

The conflict of interest story is fiction. Mulder said that it was not true.

The rest of your post (I assume you pulled from her website) is untrue as well. This is what's known as "grasping for straws once you get really desperate."

[Tricia]

Other areas of concern, which were never brought to the attention of the jury, include the pictures of Darlie's cuts and bruises on her arms which were taken when she was hospitalized the night of the murders. At least one jury told reporters he would never have voted to convict if he had seen those photographs.

Bloody fingerprints have been found that do not belong to Darlie, Darin, the children or any of the police or other people in the Routier house the night of the murder. This contradicts testimony given during her trial that stated there were no fingerprints found outside the home.
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Those photographs WERE shown to the jury. Douglas Mulder, Darlie's attorney (and by the way, the BEST criminal defense attorney in the State of Texas) ADMITTED that they were introduced.

The so-called fingerprint is reportedly "small." Approximately the size of a child or small adult according to experts. There are not enough points to be sure, but more than a couple experts say that they're most likely Darlie's print.

The conflict of interest story is fiction. Mulder said that it was not true.

The rest of your post (I assume you pulled from her website) is untrue as well. This is what's known as "grasping for straws once you get really desperate."

DP, if you are up to it I would be happy to open a forum for this case. I can also allow pictures.

This case still has a lot of attention. It's just so strange.

After reading this thread I am convinced of her guilt. Again. I thought she might be innocent for a bit but I just can't see it now.

[Sherlock]

Tricia:

That would be great! I'd love for DP to have a thread for this case, I mentioned it earlier. I'm very interested in this case.

I'm not totally convinced, but I certainly lean towards guilt. Too many weird things just don't make sense.

Sherlock

[deputylinda]

i for one would love to have a forum for this case. Thankyou!

[Jeana (DP)]

Tricia, while I think that there will be some interest in this case, there's one thing you need to keep in mind. Darlie's got a handful of rabid supporters who WILL find their way here and WILL cause trouble. Whomever you get to moderate that forum should be strong-willed and available 24/7.

[Tricia]

Tricia, while I think that there will be some interest in this case, there's one thing you need to keep in mind. Darlie's got a handful of rabid supporters who WILL find their way here and WILL cause trouble. Whomever you get to moderate that forum should be strong-willed and available 24/7.


Good point. I know you have a full life plus more.

Any takers? Let's think about this.

[Jeana (DP)]

Good point. I know you have a full life plus more.

Any takers? Let's think about this.

One more thing: most of the pictures that are running around about this case are from Christopher Wayne's book. He's sleazy enough to try and sue anyone who uses them without permission (and the family has its head stuck so far up his butt, they'll support him). Unless a forum is willing to hand over total control to Darlie's supporters, they'll never let a picture up. They've also been known to stalk people who don't support her.

[Tricia]

One more thing: most of the pictures that are running around about this case are from Christopher Wayne's book. He's sleazy enough to try and sue anyone who uses them without permission (and the family has its head stuck so far up his butt, they'll support him). Unless a forum is willing to hand over total control to Darlie's supporters, they'll never let a picture up. They've also been known to stalk people who don't support her.

Ok. let's review.

If we open a Darlie forum we could be:

*Stalked
*Sued
*Harrassed to no end
*overrun with Darlie supporters.


Alllrigtythen. I think this nice little thread is just fine for now..LOL.

[Jeana (DP)]

Ok. let's review.

If we open a Darlie forum we could be:

*Stalked
*Sued
*Harrassed to no end
*overrun with Darlie supporters.


Alllrigtythen. I think this nice little thread is just fine for now..LOL.


Yup, and that's exactly what they count on. That no one will want to take them on. That way, they can spin the case any way they want to. That's why River finally gave up on the forum and closed it.

[tybee204]

If the pictures were part of evidence etc and he didnt take the pictures, how can he sue? Does he own the pictures? The copyright on pictures always confuses me. Are they owned by the original photograper? The courts? lol I always wonder that in regards to all the Peterson pictures.

[Jeana (DP)]

I suppose one of you mods could go down to the Dallas County Courthouse like Christopher did and get them for yourselves and then yes, you could post them. However, if someone just took copies from his book, they'd try to make trouble for you. Most of the time, its really not an issue since they are public record. However, this is a family with stuff to hide. That's why they want total control of every discussion with regard to Darlie's case. Her own website has some information, yet it leaves out anything she can't explain away - and there's a lot of that.

[Sherlock]

Jeana:

You don't think that perhaps some of this has died down by now? I mean, we could try it and see, and then close it if we had to. It's not like we couldn't close the forum and just have some threads if it got out of hand.

I think it's worth a try.

I'm willing to try it and will do what I can to help. There is definitely interest and I have the time, especially during the day, to help out any moderators.

I agree with Tybee, that if the pics were available in court, then they are part of the state's property and not private property.

Sherlock

[Dark Knight]

If the pictures were part of evidence etc and he didnt take the pictures, how can he sue? Does he own the pictures? The copyright on pictures always confuses me. Are they owned by the original photograper? The courts? lol I always wonder that in regards to all the Peterson pictures.
Photographs are always 100% owned by the photographer who took them, unless they sell them to someone else, or at least sign over the rights to them, such as an employer in the media. But the original owner is whomever took the actual picture. Period. :)

[Tricia]

Photographs are always 100% owned by the photographer who took them, unless they sell them to someone else, or at least sign over the rights to them, such as an employer in the media. But the original owner is whomever took the actual picture. Period. :)

If a person uses an evidence picture in a book that is in a public court record, that person does not own it. It is in the public domain.

Look at it like this. When we get court documents off the net it's because they are part of a public file. They are not the property of the lawyer. They are the property of the court and, unless sealed by a judge, are made available to the public.

So if I want to take a picture from a book that was taken from a public file I can. The author of the book doesn't own the picture.

I would be willing to pay one of our members to go to the court and get Darlie's public file. The whole thing. At long as it's not cost prohibitive to copy the file.

[Dark Knight]

If a person uses an evidence picture in a book that is in a public court record, that person does not own it. It is in the public domain.

Look at it like this. When we get court documents off the net it's because they are part of a public file. They are not the property of the lawyer. They are the property of the court and, unless sealed by a judge, are made available to the public.

So if I want to take a picture from a book that was taken from a public file I can. The author of the book doesn't own the picture.

I would be willing to pay one of our members to go to the court and get Darlie's public file. The whole thing. At long as it's not cost prohibitive to copy the file.
I'd strongly suggest you get a Copyright Lawyer's opinion, first, since the author of the book is going to challenge you, anyways. But unless I am misunderstanding you, what you're saying isn't totally correct in my view, but I could also be mistaken. It happens, lol! But in the media we have to be pretty well versed on copyrights. And photographs tend to be viewed differently than documents, and personal viewing is different than copying and distributing. Up to you, but I'd get a legal opinion to head off the challenge in advance.

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana:

You don't think that perhaps some of this has died down by now? I mean, we could try it and see, and then close it if we had to. It's not like we couldn't close the forum and just have some threads if it got out of hand.

I think it's worth a try.

I'm willing to try it and will do what I can to help. There is definitely interest and I have the time, especially during the day, to help out any moderators.

I agree with Tybee, that if the pics were available in court, then they are part of the state's property and not private property.

Sherlock

Sherlock, I'm so sick of the name Darlie Routier that I don't know how much I'd even be there. Since Tricia and the moderator would have to deal with any problems that come up, I have no opinion on whether its "tried" or not. I can assure you that the same group I was talking about would find their way here.

As for the photographs, I completely agree with you. I'm just telling you what other forums have gone through with regard to their use.

[Jeana (DP)]

I'd strongly suggest you get a Copyright Lawyer's opinion, first, since the author of the book is going to challenge you, anyways. But unless I am misunderstanding you, what you're saying isn't totally correct in my view, but I could also be mistaken. It happens, lol! But in the media we have to be pretty well versed on copyrights. And photographs tend to be viewed differently than documents, and personal viewing is different than copying and distributing. Up to you, but I'd get a legal opinion to head off the challenge in advance.


Brown, the "author" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: of the book in question, did some fancy footwork with a lot of the blood photographs, when he was trying to show a bootprint in something that didn't look to me like it could work. So, for those photographs, you probably wouldn't want to use them as they distort the truth.

[WindChime]

from the begining and have read Precious Angels I have always leaned towards guilty but with all the mistakes from the first court reporter I do think she should be given a second trial. If Tricia decides to start a forum I would be willing to help mod the forum I could fill in for afternoons to wee hours in the night because I'm a night owl.

[Jeana (DP)]

from the begining and have read Precious Angels I have always leaned towards guilty but with all the mistakes from the first court reporter I do think she should be given a second trial. If Tricia decides to start a forum I would be willing to help mod the forum I could fill in for afternoons to wee hours in the night because I'm a night owl.



WindChime, I'd be willing to take the early morning to dinner time shift.

[WindChime]

in the night shift..

[cami]

there's a lot of unexplained things. I'm on the fence too. What about a bloody fingerprint that they cannot match to anyone? Why was so little of the boys blood found on Darlie's PJ'S? Her blood was UNDERNEATHE theirs on her shirt. She had a lot of blood on her but VERY LITTLE was the boys. Why would she slice her neck first and then the boys? Why is her cut on her throat from right to left when she's right handed? It would feel much more natural to slice your throat left to right instead.

Those and more are my unanswered questions. According to that book about the boys, there was more than one knife used to kill them. Thus an explanation was given as to why she was only charged with one, not two murders. Because the murder weapons were supposedly different.

I'll think of more questions later.
I'm convinced enough that there is a SLIGHT possibility that she may be innocent. Based on that, I don't think she should be on death row because of those questions.

" I'm on the fence too. What about a bloody fingerprint that they cannot match to anyone? Why was so little of the boys blood found on Darlie's PJ'S? Her blood was UNDERNEATHE theirs on her shirt. She had a lot of blood on her but VERY LITTLE was the boys. Why would she slice her neck first and then the boys? Why is her cut on her throat from right to left when she's right handed? It would feel much more natural to slice your throat left to right instead."



The boys had seepage wounds not spurting so you wouldn't expect that their blood shot out all over her nightshirt. She had cast-off blood on the back and front shoulder of her nightshirt indicating blood was dripping off the knife, as she raised it, onto her shirt.

As DP explained, one of the boys, Damon (DP said Devon she got the name incorrect that's all) moved from his original position towards the entry door, he was then stabbed again so if she had already cut her neck, his blood would lay over hers.

"Those and more are my unanswered questions. According to that book about the boys, there was more than one knife used to kill them. Thus an explanation was given as to why she was only charged with one, not two murders. Because the murder weapons were supposedly different."

Only Damon's blood was found on the knife along with Darlie's so this is used by supporter Chris Brown to allege there were two knives. But they only tested I think it was four spots on the knife. I wonder if they removed the handle if they would find Devon's blood. But it was only one knife that was used, not two.

Darlie rinsed that knife under the tap in the kitchen sink, IMO, the luminol showed quite a clean up, so I believe she rinsed blood off it before she cut herself and then had to stab Damon again because he moved. Their blood mixed with hers is found on the backsplash. Chris Brown is not an investigator nor is he schooled in forensics so I would be careful with what you believe from his book. It's good for the pics though.

As for the bloody fingerprint, it's small, smudged and likely to remain unidentifiable. It's expert against expert on this print and Darlie is not excluded from it. Even one of her own experts, Dr. Jantz, can't exclude "a woman" from having made the print. However his findings were not accepted by the appeal court. You really do need to read the transcripts on this print to understand it. Another poster at gac, who is brilliant, helped me to understand it.

[aRnd2it]

She's about two years behind in the appeals process because of the transcript errors.(sigh), that puts her date with the Grim Reaper around 2015. :sick:

[Jeana (DP)]

(sigh), that puts her date with the Grim Reaper around 2015. :sick:


Hi! Welcome to Websleuths. While I definately believe with my heart and soul that Darlie deserves the needle, I'm not going to be dancing around and laughing when it happens. The amount of grief that this woman has brought to those who love her sickens me. While I don't blame her mother for supporting her, I think Darlie Lynn owes it to her to tell her the truth. I don't doubt that Mrs. Kee would still be there for her, but my God, the woman has been through enough. I also firmly believe that Darlie's soul may still be saved, she's going to have to confess and ask for forgiveness and not just from God.

There are a number of people in other countries who are involved in this case because they're simply opposed to the death penalty. They don't really care if she rots in prison, they just don't want her to be executed. She's going to string these people along as long as they'll allow her to.

[KatzHome]

OK Jeana ~ you may have gotten me hooked... I don't know very much about this case ~ I'm still on the fence ~ I don't know whether or not she killed her two little boys ~ I think I'll be spending a few weeks reading over here, trying to decide. Last night I was reading a little about Brian Pardo and an article that believes she is is innocent ~ I've already said a prayer or two, that if this is true, to please help get her out...

And it's funny ~ as much as I know Scott Peterson to be guilty ~ and as much as I think the circumstancial evidence to be totally damning and so worth convicting him ~ I question the circumstancial evidence in this case ~ I really do have to read more about it.

Carla Faye Tucker's name was mentioned on this thread ~ I happen to be one of the people who rejoice in her conversion ~ I favored clemency for her ~ but am satisfied that she's moved on to new life in Christ ~ Who's Mercy is neverending.

[Jeana (DP)]

Glad to see you here!!! There's a lot of reading to do with regard to this case - that's the good part! That most of the transcripts are available is the best thing for anyone who doesn't know a lot about this case.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to holler!!

[KatzHome]

Yeah ~ I saw that Jeana... I think I read last night that you have the transcripts on CD ~ were they posted here at WebSleuths? I saw a link to another site :doh: that I didn't bookmark that I'll have to see about finding again if transcripts aren't here.

:blowkiss: And thanks for the welcome!

[Jeana (DP)]

You can find the transcripts on her website:

www.fordarlieroutier.org

[Texana]

I've been taking advantage of the holidays to catch up on reading on this forum.

I've always thought the evidence against Darlie is so overwhelming. but just going her through her multiple stories is a reminder.

And like Scott Peterson, her lack of any sign of true grief afterwards on multiple occasions and opportunities, is most telling.

Thinking of what she did and what she is makes me physically ill sometimes.

[Jeana (DP)]

NEWS FLASH!!


A member of another website posted that she heard on the news last night that Darlie has lost yet another appeal. This is pretty serious. I'm trying to get confirmation. This was the fastest one so far. Not good for Darlie & Co.

[Peake]

Is this still at State level or has it gone up to the Federal courts yet?

Cheers,
Pea

[Jeana (DP)]

Is this still at State level or has it gone up to the Federal courts yet?

Cheers,
Pea

State, but this may have been it for her in Texas.

[Peake]

Found this entry on Texas Court of Criminal Appeals site (http://www.cca.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/handdown.asp?FullDate=20041201)

WR-59,920-02 ROUTIER, DARLIE LYNN DALLAS COUNTY

HC RELIEF DENIED WITH WRITTEN ORDER/OPINION - PER CURIAM

NON-PUBLISHED

Regards,
Pea

[KatzHome]

Jeana ~ how long does this appeals process go on? I ask because I'm curious about the Peterson case. I honestly don't think I'll be able to just forget until his last appeal has been exhausted.

[Peake]

Katz, I'm no legal expert, but I think that varies from state to state. Is the number of appeals the same, and CA is just a lot slower in handling those?

Regards,
Pea

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana ~ how long does this appeals process go on? I ask because I'm curious about the Peterson case. I honestly don't think I'll be able to just forget until his last appeal has been exhausted.


The decision yesterday was QUICK. We waited for a long long time for the court before this one to render its decision. There really is no set time for these things. The higher courts could be as quick as this one and from there, she'll just be waiting for the date to be set. While she's not likely to be executed on the first date she gets, it can't go on forever.

However, in the Peterson case, even if he receives the death penalty, he's not likely to be executed in California. He'll die in prison either of old age, disease or murdered by another inmate.

[KatzHome]

That's OK with me Jeana... and thanks Peake. I want to hear him get the Death Penalty ~ but I'll have to be satisfied with LWOP if that's the sentence that the jury returns with. I'm not really looking to see him executed ~ I just want him to get the harshest sentence available ~ and to me, that is the Death Penalty.

I know some people say "You can't be a Christian and still be able to vote for the Death Penalty." I disagree. It's not so much that I'm seeking their death ~ rather I want them ~jolted~ by the harsh sentence to seek peace with God ~ and the way that there is an in-general 10 year wait on Death Row ~ I think there is ample time for a person to repent. I might be wrong, but I would imagine that there is also more security for Death Row inmates, less chance for them to escape. I also think there is no chance of their being released from prison ~ unlike the guy who killed Dru ~ 20 years ~ it was not enough ~ 9 months after he was released he found another victim. And it might be a deterrant too ~ for those who calculate the odds of getting away with murder.

I don't think I'll rest until all of Scott's appeals have been exhausted ~ no matter which sentence he receives. I don't ever want to see the verdict overturned ~ I don't want to see another trial for him. It'll be kinda like following Darlie's appeals...

[Jeana (DP)]

Katz, I consider myself to be a christian and I am probably the most outspoken proponent for the death penalty that Websleuths has ever seen. :rolleyes: I also believe that those who seek out God before they die may be forgiven by him and not spend eternity in hell. However, that's God's punishment. Those who have proven that they cannot follow the rules that society says they must abide by are also punished by that society. I feel that someone who murders two of her sleeping children in cold blood should be shown no mercy. If that is a sin, then I'll have to answer to God when its my time.

[KatzHome]

Yeah... I used to not believe in the Death Penalty ~ but then I learned things ~ and I now support it.

Yes, and I do believe that God does forgive anyone who wants to be forgiven ~ that the only people who go to Hell are the ones who "choose" to go there ~ but I also believe that restitution must be made in one way or another...

And the most frightening thing that I learned is that LWOP does not necessarily mean that a prisoner will not be released. Charles Manson was on Death Row ~ and now he's up for parole, what is it, every 4 years????

Thank God he's so crazy that they'll probably never let him go... but you never know.... and that is scarey.

[Peake]

Katzhome, Manson was originally sentenced to death, but when the Supreme Court threw out the death penalty, all death row inmates had their sentences commuted to life, but not LWOP.

Regards,
Pea

[KatzHome]

Thanks for setting me straight Pea ~ it makes sense to me that their sentences would have been commuted to LWOP ~ just "life" where they keep coming up for parole doesn't make any sense... but oh well...

[Texana]

Jeana and Katz, I totally agree with you about the death penalty. Not all people who kill deserve it, but anyone who could kill two sleeping children does.

Maybe she was influenced by drugs, hormones, and marital stress, but anyone who reacts in such a way to stress is a walking time bomb, and society can't afford to let her loose.

[KatzHome]

I have only read and listened to a small portion of what is on that website ~ yes I do realize that it is a "Darlie Is Innocent" ~ and there's tons more reading to do ~ but it seems to me that perhaps a new trial is in order.

I'm reading that requests for testing were ignored and denied... That the defense was only given a portion of the crime scene photos.... That a woman who lived 5 minutes away had her home broken into and that the intruder rummaged in a kitchen drawer ~ that a police officer told her it was for a knife to kill her if she woke... That her wounds were not really superficial ~ only superficial in that the wound in her neck did not hit the carotid artery. A necklace she was wearing deflected the knife and it was damaged. $12,000 in emergency surgery ~ ok, I realize $12,000 isn't a whole lot for surgery ~ but still...

I still have a lot more reading to do ~ but are there any real answers to the questions above?

[Peake]

The surgery was exploratory (per the trial transcripts). I think of superficial wounds as mere scratches, which they were not, but from what I understand, in medical usage, superficial is the appropriate term for her wounds. Compared to the boys' wounds, hers were nothing. You would think the more forceful attacks would be on the adult, not the children.

Slashing one's own throat seemed very odd for someone who wants to self-inflict wounds. That has and does still give me pause. It's not what I would do -- I for one wouldn't know how deep a cut can be made to be safe. But I also can't understand how anyone can murder children, especially a mother, but it happens. Plus I think that if an intruder did cut her, he would have done more than one "fatal" cut to be sure she was dead, just like the boys were repeatedly stabbed.

As for the woman and the robber, I'd be curious as to when this incident took place, and who is it that said the police officer told her that and when this story surfaced. I just don't buy that has any significance other than a red herring without more detail.

As for the crime scene photos, I don't know about all not given to the defense. But I've read the appeal documentation that is available online and so far, every claim to withholding evidence etc. has been convincingly rebutted.

I do think the transcript problems could have been cause for a retrial, but reviewing the steps taken to address the trial record they seem reasonable and thorough.

Manson and his murderous "family" getting their death sentences commuted to life instead of lwop I think was because lwop wasn't a sentence that was imposed at that time.

Regards,
Pea

[KatzHome]

Thanks for having so much patience and answering my, I" kinda think a review is in order" type questions... I don't really know anything about this case ~ and I do have an open mind...

Its funny ~ when I'm drifting off to sleep ~ thoughts of what I'm learning drift into and out of my mind... that never happened in the Peterson case...

Last night's last thoughts went something like this... she very more than likely is guilty... but I'm not sure she deserves the death penalty... more than likely pushed over the edge to many factors... that's not premeditated.

The jury reviewed that "silly string" tape, what? 6 or 7 times ~ boy I wish that hadn't seen it... or the defense had at least fought to get the memorial service that was illegally taped in too... seems the jury may have convicted her on mostly the silly string incident ~ and there was forensic evidence plenty... though, a whole lot of that did point to a staged crime scene.... but..........

And it bothers me that the crime lab's reputation is so tainted ~ or is it really? I do remember that that is a "Darlie is Innocent" site... And I know what goes on in the SII camp...

More reading needed...

[Peake]

I'm not an expert on Darlie's case by any means. I've read through some of the transcripts and post-trial stuff, that's it. If you haven't yet, you may want to visit the site Jeana posted about on another thread -- very knowledgable persons there, it is worth checking out.

The Harris County Crime Lab is the one that had problems -- the forensic testing for Darlie's case I don't think would have been done there. But if it had, you would think that would have been brought up in her appeals.

Regards,
Pea

[Mary456]

Hi Katz. I'll be brutally honest here and say that 99% of what you read on Darlie's website is pure folly. Think Mark Geragos... & how he attempted to spin the evidence in Scott's favor.

"I'm reading that requests for testing were ignored and denied..."

That's simply not true. The defense had access to fibers, clothing, blood, anything they wanted. You'll see this when you read the transcript.

"That the defense was only given a portion of the crime scene photos...."

This allegation drives me nuts. Example: photos of the bruises. Charlie Samford (juror) said he didn't see them, but they were passed to all the jurors (again, it's in the transcript). Even Mulder said in a televised interview that the photos were shown! And Barbara Davis, queen of the 180s, complained that she didn't see them, either. Well, she described them perfectly in her book, "Precious Angels". The Routier camp hoodwinked poor Charlie & Babs had dollar signs in her eyes.

"That a woman who lived 5 minutes away had her home broken into and that the intruder rummaged in a kitchen drawer ~ that a police officer told her it was for a knife to kill her if she woke..."

That intruder must be marooned on Fantasy Island along with the Rowlett rapist, lol!

"That her wounds were not really superficial ~ only superficial in that the wound in her neck did not hit the carotid artery."

Her neck wound was deemed superficial by the doctors, though. It was only 1/4" deep...compare that to the deep wounds of her boys & it sounds more like a scratch.

"A necklace she was wearing deflected the knife and it was damaged."

It was a fine gold chain that couldn't possibly have deflected that butcher knife...not if an intruder meant business.

I didn't mean to butt in here, but my eyes glaze over when I read some of the misleading stuff on her website.

[Mary456]

"the forensic testing for Darlie's case I don't think would have been done there."

You're right, Peake. Darlie's forensic testing was done at SWIFS and Gene Screen.

[KatzHome]

... I didn't mean to butt in here, but my eyes glaze over when I read some of the misleading stuff on her website.
That's the website I was referred to for having the transcripts ~ it was supposed to be a good source of information. I have stated in my posts that I realize that it is a pro-darlie site ~ and I am well aware of what the SII type sites are like... that's why I come here to ask.

Is there a website out there that refutes all the claims made on that site ~ with reference points to the trial transcripts?

[Mary456]

"Is there a website out there that refutes all the claims made on that site ~ with reference points to the trial transcripts?"

The only one I know of is ours, the Guilty as Charged forum, but trying to track down refutations of each claim made on that site would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

The transcripts are on Darlie's website, and that's the best - although the most tedious - way to challenge their claims. After all these years of discussing this case, we still spend a lot of time digging through the transcript to find some tidbit of information.

[Dani_T]

"Is there a website out there that refutes all the claims made on that site ~ with reference points to the trial transcripts?"

The only one I know of is ours, the Guilty as Charged forum, but trying to track down refutations of each claim made on that site would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

The transcripts are on Darlie's website, and that's the best - although the most tedious - way to challenge their claims. After all these years of discussing this case, we still spend a lot of time digging through the transcript to find some tidbit of information.

You know Mary, it wouldn't be a bad idea for some of us to put together a document/webpage which refutes the claims (some of the ones listed above) point by point for people interested in the case. Between all of us I'm sure we could cover most/all of them. Then at least we could send newbies somewhere to have their initial questions answered.

What do you think?

[Kaly]

Hi all, I'm new here, from the About.com Crime and Punishment board. There's this great voice analyst at: http://www.yourinnervoice.com/radio.htm

And he's very interested in analyzing Darli Routier's voice, but the 911 call is not clear enough for him to do. Does anyone know where there might be some of her testimony online?

Thanks,
Kaly:innocent:

[Dani_T]

Hi all, I'm new here, from the About.com Crime and Punishment board. There's this great voice analyst at: http://www.yourinnervoice.com/radio.htm

And he's very interested in analyzing Darli Routier's voice, but the 911 call is not clear enough for him to do. Does anyone know where there might be some of her testimony online?

Thanks,
Kaly:innocent:

Hi Kaly,

Are you referring to her written testimony or something spoken by her so he can analyse it?

If you want her testimony from the trial (in written form) it is available at www.routiertranscripts.com

If you want Darlie talking for analysis you can also find it at the same website as above but click on the 'media' section (it is of prison interviews rather than her verbal trial testimony which is not available). One of the first ones there is a monologue from Darlie I believe but pretty much all the other ones also have interviews with her (except the Leeza Shows I think... though he could analyse Darin on that perhaps!)

If the analyst is going to listen to her talking it would be great if he listened to her during her prison interviews but also listened to the interview she gave after the silly string tape where she talks about Damon and Devon being in heaven having a party.

Let us know how you get on :)

[Kaly]

Hi Kaly,

Are you referring to her written testimony or something spoken by her so he can analyse it?

If you want Darlie talking for analysis you can also find it at the same website as above but click on the 'media' section (it is of prison interviews rather than her verbal trial testimony which is not available). One of the first ones there is a monologue from Darlie I believe but pretty much all the other ones also have interviews with her (except the Leeza Shows I think... though he could analyse Darin on that perhaps!)

If the analyst is going to listen to her talking it would be great if he listened to her during her prison interviews but also listened to the interview she gave after the silly string tape where she talks about Damon and Devon being in heaven having a party.

Let us know how you get on
Thanks:) We would need her voice - or Darin's - but it has to be clear. I did find a clip at the beginning of the Leeza show, but that was off the 911 call, which wasn't clear enough. Is that silly string one on the same site? I will look in the media section and will let you know if I find anything good enough.

BTW, until I ran into that Justice for Darlie site when I first came here, and saw the photos of her dead kids, the whole thing didn't really hit me. Those are stab wounds made by someone really, really pissed off! I have been nauseated about the case ever since I saw those photos.

Kaly
P.S. A lot of people here from Las Vegas? I'm from Reno.

[Peake]

Welcome Kalypso! I'd be curious as to what your friend comes up with after he's had time to do an analysis. Have you tried the audio from the 911 call besides what you found on Leeza's show? While some of it isn't clear exactly what she's saying, you'll find that in some places she is quite coherent, and your friend may be able to get something from those segments.

Regards,
Pea

[Kaly]

Welcome Kalypso! I'd be curious as to what your friend comes up with after he's had time to do an analysis. Have you tried the audio from the 911 call besides what you found on Leeza's show? While some of it isn't clear exactly what she's saying, you'll find that in some places she is quite coherent, and your friend may be able to get something from those segments.

Regards,
Pea
:D Hi Peak
I've only just barely listened to the one on www.fordarlieroutier.org (http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/) but stopped because the quality was so bad. I will try the one on the darlie for justice site. I plan to get out the headphones and listen to it at least twice. But I know already that it will sound fakey to me. When I saw her on a TV documentary, I just felt so strongly that she was being fake. She would look at the camera, sort of self consciously, always aware of just how she looked.

I think she may have Narcisstic Personality Disorder.

I read her hypnosis report last night and what's this about now seeing two men in her living room? When did that start? I have been hypnotized many times and I can tell you that it's very possible to make up fantasy scenarios under hypnosis.
It also made me ill the way she was posing for the photos in prison. :behindbar She is her own best fan!:sick:

Kaly

[Jeana (DP)]

I've heard that killing someone with a knife is supposed to be one of the most "personal" ways that it can be done and usually comes with a LOT of rage. Makes perfect sense in this case.

[cami]

You know Mary, it wouldn't be a bad idea for some of us to put together a document/webpage which refutes the claims (some of the ones listed above) point by point for people interested in the case. Between all of us I'm sure we could cover most/all of them. Then at least we could send newbies somewhere to have their initial questions answered.

What do you think?

Excellent idea Dani. My group i'm involved with on the Jeffrey MacDonald case have done just that. It's called the Magical Mystery Tour. It's really something to see those claims and then the refutation of the claim right there side by side.

Sunseeker started something like this a few years ago on Image Dump I think but her's was very hard to maneouver around in, I thought anyway. Mary might remember.

[cami]

:D Hi Peak
I've only just barely listened to the one on www.fordarlieroutier.org (http://www.fordarlieroutier.org/) but stopped because the quality was so bad. I will try the one on the darlie for justice site. I plan to get out the headphones and listen to it at least twice. But I know already that it will sound fakey to me. When I saw her on a TV documentary, I just felt so strongly that she was being fake. She would look at the camera, sort of self consciously, always aware of just how she looked.

I think she may have Narcisstic Personality Disorder.

I read her hypnosis report last night and what's this about now seeing two men in her living room? When did that start? I have been hypnotized many times and I can tell you that it's very possible to make up fantasy scenarios under hypnosis.
It also made me ill the way she was posing for the photos in prison. :behindbar She is her own best fan!:sick:

Kaly

Oh the two intruder theory came about when she/they realized the unidentified print on the glass table was too small to match the over 6 ft intruder she described!

About those autopsy photos. I feel it's important to look at them. I need to understand why or how an intruder, a perfect stranger, would inflict such brutality on two little boys and leave the adults alive. Why were these two tiny boys targeted for death and Darlie left alive.