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anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 01:19 AM
OK, this link was provided earlier today, but wanted to hash over a couple points in here that explain why an ex of his in Texas got out of there in fear he would come after her and her family.

David Huslig, who owns the bar and grill, filed a petition last month in small-claims court alleging Longoria wrote 10 worthless checks to the business.

"I've been told that he is leaving town and would like to take care of this before he has a chance to skip out," Huslig stated in the petition filed July 27.

A bar employee, who did not wish to be identified, said Longoria has been a regular at the bar for the past few months. The employee said Longoria would buy rounds for his co-workers and pay with checks. He often talked about his family in Texas and about being stabbed, the employee said.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

and the comment below this story from somebody claiming to be an ex:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/alicia-debolt-murder-case-adam-longoria-taken-custody-2655982.html

Yup, skip town and head back to Texas for that "family." Thank God he never got the chance.

Too bad he ever had to land in Great Bend.

RIP Alicia.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 02:11 AM
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/27/debolt_addl_%287%29.jpg (http://www.websleuths.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-7.html)

Her family

Slideshow and articles at link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-6.html?tag=page

Portabella
09-01-2010, 02:27 AM
This is a bit old, but its the letter put out by her High School to parents....

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/08/25/15/GreatBendDeBoltAlicia.source.prod_affiliate.80.pdf

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 07:35 AM
If what he sent were things with dna wouldnt there be a shirt and underwear? This could possibly be what they are looking for along the road.IMO

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 10:35 AM
I must say that I am amazed that the local folks or others do not comment below any news articles however I did see a comment somewhere a few days ago that I wished I had bookmarked as it was a comment from a local saying AL prior to his arrest was going to be charged with sexually assaulting 3 young girls!

I also saw a comment from a distant relative that AL had put Alicia's body through 'gravel machine' sorry for being so graphic.

I will attempt to find the links.

oviedo
09-01-2010, 10:58 AM
I must say that I am amazed that the local folks or others do not comment below any news articles however I did see a comment somewhere a few days ago that I wished I had bookmarked as it was a comment from a local saying AL prior to his arrest was going to be charged with sexually assaulting 3 young girls!

I also saw a comment from a distant relative that AL had put Alicia's body through 'gravel machine' sorry for being so graphic.

I will attempt to find the links.
the comment was on the Great Bend fb page - about midway down -

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Bend-Kansas/105527356148480?v=stream

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 11:22 AM
I know im not doing this right but I havent figured out how to move one post to mine to answer a question. I read how to do it but its not computing in my brain. Maybe someone can explain it top me. Mahoney07 asked about the family shopping, I read it in this thread page1 post#22. Im not sure that AD was with them or not.

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 11:42 AM
I know im not doing this right but I havent figured out how to move one post to mine to answer a question. I read how to do it but its not computing in my brain. Maybe someone can explain it top me. Mahoney07 asked about the family shopping, I read it in this thread page1 post#22. Im not sure that AD was with them or not.

I am not so good at this either but I am wondering if you go back to your comment and press 'quote' if it will show up on your new reply.

Kat
09-01-2010, 12:01 PM
I know im not doing this right but I havent figured out how to move one post to mine to answer a question. I read how to do it but its not computing in my brain. Maybe someone can explain it top me. Mahoney07 asked about the family shopping, I read it in this thread page1 post#22. Im not sure that AD was with them or not.

Click on the quote button at the bottom right hand of the post you would like to reply to, it will open up in a reply window.

Underneath the quoted post in the window. Type what you would like to respond with and then hit submit reply.

It should work. HTH.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Mahoney07 asked about the family shopping, I read it in this thread page1 post#22. Im not sure that AD was with them or not.

SBM

It was def on the original FB page for Alicia when she still missing..It said they had been "shopping all day"..It was on the left hand side & written by her sister..I saved the link but when I click on it now it just brings me to FB sign in so I'm not sure what's going on. :waitasec:

Btw..WELCOME Westside :)

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
SBM

It was def on the original FB page for Alicia when she still missing..It said they all had been "shopping all day"..It was on the left hand side & written by her sister..I saved the link but when I click on it now it just brings me to FB sign in so I'm not sure what's going on. :waitasec:

Btw..WELCOME Westside :)

Thanks for the help and warm welcomes everyone! I was on a memorial FB page and had the same problem. I found out later the page had been removed. I know ADs FB page has been changed to private also.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Did anyone else see a video of the POI's cellphone during a media interview? He was showing the newsman the texts he got that night & if you froze it you could clearly see the times & what was said..One was "hurry up" that was sent much earlier then 11p..It also mentioned another girl's name (J)..I believe they were all from 'babygurl'/Alicia..I thought I saved it but can't find it now & it will take forever to try to hunt it down.

ETA..This was not the same interview with POI standing there saying he had not seen Alicia on Sat..He was sitting down in a chair during this one & at one point held out his cell..I'm not sure if he even knew it was caught on camera or not.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the help and warm welcomes everyone! I was on a memorial FB page and had the same problem. I found out later the page had been removed. I know ADs FB page has been changed to private also.

I think you're right & that's why I can no longer access it..I did read some sick ppl were writing awful things on most of her memorial pages around the net :banghead:

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 12:36 PM
Is this it? I have not viewed it to check it out as I wanted to link it asap.

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=998c4f99-1ca4-4252-8cce-853265a4a9e1&cat=empty&src=front

NOPE, sorry!

amysmom
09-01-2010, 12:38 PM
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/27/debolt_addl_%287%29.jpg (http://www.websleuths.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-7.html)

Her family

Slideshow and articles at link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-6.html?tag=page

There are lots of pix of Alicia I've never seen before..More then a few with a dog who must miss her dearly :(

amysmom
09-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Is this it? I have not viewed it to check it out as I wanted to link it asap.

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=998c4f99-1ca4-4252-8cce-853265a4a9e1&cat=empty&src=front

NOPE, sorry!

Don't be sorry cos that's the original interview with him but showed way more (him walking to car with GF's daughter?) & him saying way more (he has witnesses that can prove he wasn't with her) then I had seen before. TY!

ETA..So the 'wife' intercepted Alicia's texts for rides & told her to stop it?..That's the same exact thing her MOM said she told her..I do not believe him & think he took his que from the report re: MOM & will continue this mindset until I hear it straight from the GF!

amysmom
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
He often talked about his family in Texas and about being stabbed, the employee said.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2



S&BBM

Does this help to confirm he IS the same AL that was the snitch & got stabbed in prison? There's still some confusion in my mind about it cos of the supposed age of the other AL & that he's supposedly still in prison.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 01:19 PM
While looking for video I mentioned above of AL I found this & for the first time saw his "wife"/GF.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html?storySection=photo

2nd video down--Person Of Interest..around the 1:25 mark

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 01:20 PM
There was some discussion past posts re the 19 yr old , and I can't remember if it was clarified which one it might be as there were 2 guys, well this was just a comment on a Persons FB so who knows if it is true but his initials were IV. about 11 posts down within the 16 comments.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281564194

trigger
09-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Heres another video of GF's daughter, his GF and her brother at the end of the video, the neighbor that took him to work etc. Also said the victims mom didn't like her texting him. Also AL said another person (maybe the 19yo) came to him for money to leave, he was blaming someone else..:furious:

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-debolt-suspect-found,0,325722.story

amysmom
09-01-2010, 01:46 PM
Heres another video of GF's daughter, his GF and her brother at the end of the video, the neighbor that took him to work etc. Also said the victims mom didn't like her texting him. Also AL said another person (maybe the 19yo) came to him for money to leave, he was blaming someone else..:furious:

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-debolt-suspect-found,0,325722.story

TY! Much better video of AL's "wife"/GF!

AL: "I'm not the one running the other guy is"! OMG!! I almost fell off my chair over that one!

In this video he says he knew her mom didn't like her texting him but nothing about his "wife" or her telling Alicia to stop it..Absolutely nothing he says can be believed!

trigger
09-01-2010, 02:11 PM
TY! Much better video of AL's "wife"/GF!

AL: "I'm not the one running the other guy is"! OMG!! I almost fell off my chair over that one!

In this video he says he knew her mom didn't like her texting him but nothing about his "wife" or her telling Alicia to stop it..Absolutely nothing he says can be believed!

Can you believe this guy......Saying Im not the one running then he runs...

Glad he is in jail and cannot wait for Justice for Alicia and her family

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 02:11 PM
I hope the GF's daughter hasn't been violated by this Creep.

Soul125
09-01-2010, 02:24 PM
TY! Much better video of AL's "wife"/GF!

AL: "I'm not the one running the other guy is"! OMG!! I almost fell off my chair over that one!

In this video he says he knew her mom didn't like her texting him but nothing about his "wife" or her telling Alicia to stop it..Absolutely nothing he says can be believed!

This guys has more stories that the empire state building. I love where he says it was very strange with that young man asking me for help to get out of town. Why would you run when you are innocent, then he does the exact thing.
His actions and what he says in interviews just go in opposite directions.

trigger
09-01-2010, 02:36 PM
I hope the GF's daughter hasn't been violated by this Creep.

I know I wanted to yell...Don't get in the car with him...He killed Alicia...I'm glad the GF's brother came and got them out of there. You never know, he could talk someone into giving him money to get out on bail.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 02:58 PM
I know I wanted to yell...Don't get in the car with him...He killed Alicia...I'm glad the GF's brother came and got them out of there. You never know, he could talk someone into giving him money to get out on bail.

I thought IF he comes up with the $$$ for bail the judge said they would be back in court to discuss it..IOW! She has no intention of letting this child KILLER out of jail for all the tea in China..It may mean more charges have to be filed in order to justify a higher bail cos right now he's only being held on the vehicle theft..Or maybe just LE officially proclaiming him a POI in court will be enough?

The GF needs to get her kids as far away from there as possible..If it were me (never be) I'd take them & move out of state.

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 04:10 PM
Did anyone else see a video of the POI's cellphone during a media interview? He was showing the newsman the texts he got that night & if you froze it you could clearly see the times & what was said..One was "hurry up" that was sent much earlier then 11p..It also mentioned another girl's name (J)..I believe they were all from 'babygurl'/Alicia..I thought I saved it but can't find it now & it will take forever to try to hunt it down.

ETA..This was not the same interview with POI standing there saying he had not seen Alicia on Sat..He was sitting down in a chair during this one & at one point held out his cell..I'm not sure if he even knew it was caught on camera or not.

Whaaaaa?? Please do find link! Don't recall ever seeing that or any discussion of it.

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 04:30 PM
While looking for video I mentioned above of AL I found this & for the first time saw his "wife"/GF.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html?storySection=photo

2nd video down--Person Of Interest..around the 1:25 mark

For gawd sake's parents. PLEASE get into your kids' faces and into their business. Their computers, cell phones, iPods, whatever.

KNOW who they are seeing and texting.

I get a little angrier every time I hear about ANY kid texting him.

And moving him into your house with two kids? I know we've covered this ground already, but please, please pull your heads out and put those children first!

At least give them a good string fighting chance to grow old and gray, make your life miserable along the way, and maybe give you grandkids. And with a little luck, outlive you.

Whole thing is so senseless. WHY did the POS ever get out of jail? WHY did this woman feel the need to go hunting in jail for a "daddy" to her children and bring him to town? If not her, another woman would have done it. But such a train wreck waiting to happen, wherever he landed.

Pretty clear if he was already rumored back on July 27 that he was planning to skip town (after only 2 months there), he was only living with her to steal her money, checks, credit cards, whatever. Then move along to the next victim.

How many strikes in Texas again? Didn't he go over that felony mark already?

It all just makes me so angry and dismayed.

If AJL is responsible, I pray THIS time, the prison guards don't put their lives on the line to intervene on his worthless behalf. Let the jailhouse population at him, and somebody please shoot video. Maybe THAT would be a deterrent?

amysmom
09-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Whaaaaa?? Please do find link! Don't recall ever seeing that or any discussion of it.

I found it but am having trouble getting the image over here..HELP!!

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 05:00 PM
I found it but am having trouble getting the image over here..HELP!!

Do you have a link to it?

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:00 PM
I found it but am having trouble getting the image over here..HELP!!

Where is it....just copy the web addy at the top and post.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 05:08 PM
K! Here's the link:

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Vigil-planned-for-slain-Great-Bend-teen/GiUk3vf4E0-VZXghFKonvg.cspx

2:36 get ready to freeze the frame..If anyone can bring the image(s) of his cell over I'd truly appreciate! That's what I've been trying to do with NO luck!

ETA!!! It's the 2nd video but you have to get thru the first one to get to it...CRAZY SITE!!!!!!!!!

He also says he never texted her before but that night "WE" did.....WHO is "WE"?

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:17 PM
There was some discussion past posts re the 19 yr old , and I can't remember if it was clarified which one it might be as there were 2 guys, well this was just a comment on a Persons FB so who knows if it is true but his initials were IV. about 11 posts down within the 16 comments.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281564194

This is the same person, but the initials are IR. There was a text going around asking if they had seen him that night IIRC.

I know im not doing this right but I havent figured out how to move one post to mine to answer a question. I read how to do it but its not computing in my brain. Maybe someone can explain it top me. Mahoney07 asked about the family shopping, I read it in this thread page1 post#22. Im not sure that AD was with them or not.

I don't think it was very clear who went shopping. Just said "they"....so?

S&BBM

Does this help to confirm he IS the same AL that was the snitch & got stabbed in prison? There's still some confusion in my mind about it cos of the supposed age of the other AL & that he's supposedly still in prison.

It was confirmed by someone in the prisons' administration that it was him, he talked of being being stabbed at the bar, and there was mention of the scars on the back of his head. All in MSM. So, I will say, it's him.
imo.

amysmom
09-01-2010, 05:27 PM
I don't think it was very clear who went shopping. Just said "they"....so?



I got the impression it def included Alicia..I wish the site was still up!

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:28 PM
Heres another video of GF's daughter, his GF and her brother at the end of the video, the neighbor that took him to work etc. Also said the victims mom didn't like her texting him. Also AL said another person (maybe the 19yo) came to him for money to leave, he was blaming someone else..:furious:

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-debolt-suspect-found,0,325722.story

TY! Much better video of AL's "wife"/GF!

AL: "I'm not the one running the other guy is"! OMG!! I almost fell off my chair over that one!

In this video he says he knew her mom didn't like her texting him but nothing about his "wife" or her telling Alicia to stop it..Absolutely nothing he says can be believed!

This guys has more stories that the empire state building. I love where he says it was very strange with that young man asking me for help to get out of town. Why would you run when you are innocent, then he does the exact thing.
His actions and what he says in interviews just go in opposite directions.

You can really "see" where this guy's heads at. A part of him truly believes what he is saying is true, I believe. Glad we got to hear him talk. Just shows how manipulative he truly is and how he pulled the wool over the gf's eyes. Be it-- she ask for it. So, now I'm wondering who he ask for money to get out of town...or help...TX?

The quote of running was a little Freudian: "If your NOT innocent, what have you got to hide?" He did say "not". This guy is an open book and transparent and light headed as a floating bubble. LOL

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:32 PM
I know I wanted to yell...Don't get in the car with him...He killed Alicia...I'm glad the GF's brother came and got them out of there. You never know, he could talk someone into giving him money to get out on bail.

I think LE has this covered. But where is a guy that's been in the prison system for approx 20 yrs going to come up with someone to give him 15K? Even his "buddies" who may be out and have access (if they do) to that kind of money, know he has bailed, ran and escaped, so I don't think they would be willing to gamble on him sticking around for his court dates. imo

amysmom
09-01-2010, 05:38 PM
The quote of running was a little Freudian: "If your NOT innocent, what have got to hide?" He did say "not". This guy is an open book and transparent and light headed as a floating bubble. LOL

If poor Alicia wasn't murdered everything out of this moron's mouth would be considered COMICAL!

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 05:38 PM
K! Here's the link:

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Vigil-planned-for-slain-Great-Bend-teen/GiUk3vf4E0-VZXghFKonvg.cspx

2:36 get ready to freeze the frame..If anyone can bring the image(s) of his cell over I'd truly appreciate! That's what I've been trying to do with NO luck!

ETA!!! It's the 2nd video but you have to get thru the first one to get to it...CRAZY SITE!!!!!!!!!

He also says he never texted her before but that night "WE" did.....WHO is "WE"?

3 screen images. Sorry they are small, but I can't access Grab when at full screen. One is from one video, the other 2 from the other one.

I am confused. Does he own a "stupid cell" that doesn't know the day of the week? These texts are dated Aug 23. Nothing to/from AD, but other people, although it appears they are discussing where she was that night??

What the H is "little Mexico" please locals?

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:39 PM
I thought IF he comes up with the $$$ for bail the judge said they would be back in court to discuss it..IOW! She has no intention of letting this child KILLER out of jail for all the tea in China..It may mean more charges have to be filed in order to justify a higher bail cos right now he's only being held on the vehicle theft..Or maybe just LE officially proclaiming him a POI in court will be enough?

The GF needs to get her kids as far away from there as possible..If it were me (never be) I'd take them & move out of state.

I think she should too, to protect her kids. I think she lived in Larned at one time, so I'd go back there. As far as the brother's remarks about her name being dragged thru the mud. She invited it. She's lucky her and her children weren't found in the mud. There's more to her than we know. Why were the kids so attracted to him AND her? If AD did babysit for her I think the media would have let us known that. ????? imo

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I got the impression it def included Alicia..I wish the site was still up!

I'm hoping they will bring it back up once the funeral service is over Friday. I don't know if FP's group will be there or not, as they are there just for the media attention, so maybe after the case calms down a little they will just go away and any others that were defaming AD, I hope. Dawn has two websites and one is private, but the other's not.

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 05:52 PM
I think LE has this covered. But where is a guy that's been in the prison system for approx 20 yrs going to come up with someone to give him 15K? Even his "buddies" who may be out and have access (if they do) to that kind of money, know he has bailed, ran and escaped, so I don't think they would be willing to gamble on him sticking around for his court dates. imo

After seeing the sick demented posts on the memorial pages I wouldnt be suprised in the least if a person or people like that put up the bail. I also have faith in the judge and LE to come up with more charges to hold him if its attempted.JMO

amysmom
09-01-2010, 05:53 PM
3 screen images. Sorry they are small, but I can't access Grab when at full screen. One is from one video, the other 2 from the other one.

I am confused. Does he own a "stupid cell" that doesn't know the day of the week? These texts are dated Aug 23. Nothing to/from AD, but other people, although it appears they are discussing where she was that night??

What the H is "little Mexico" please locals?

TY!! Aug. 23 is that days date on his phone? IOW! The day he showed it on camera? It's up the top unlike the other 2 shots..KWIM?

"Baby" I'm almost positive is AD so she's the one asking him to come get her & hurry up.

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 06:01 PM
3 screen images. Sorry they are small, but I can't access Grab when at full screen. One is from one video, the other 2 from the other one.

I am confused. Does he own a "stupid cell" that doesn't know the day of the week? These texts are dated Aug 23. Nothing to/from AD, but other people, although it appears they are discussing where she was that night??

What the H is "little Mexico" please locals?

We need to know who b@rbie girl is.

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 06:04 PM
TY!! Aug. 23 is that days date on his phone? IOW! The day he showed it on camera? It's up the top unlike the other 2 shots..KWIM?

"Baby" I'm almost positive is AD so she's the one asking him to come get her & hurry up.

I so agree baby is AD. Almost makes you wonder if they had an on going thing. Does anyone know who T is, and what the GF name is?

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 06:15 PM
After seeing the sick demented posts on the memorial pages I wouldnt be suprised in the least if a person or people like that put up the bail. I also have faith in the judge and LE to come up with more charges to hold him if its attempted.JMO

I didn't see them.....were they standing up for AL?? Was it the people from WBC? TIA

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 06:19 PM
TY!! Aug. 23 is that days date on his phone? IOW! The day he showed it on camera? It's up the top unlike the other 2 shots..KWIM?

"Baby" I'm almost positive is AD so she's the one asking him to come get her & hurry up.

you mean "b@rbie girl"?

The dates on the actual cell phone screen are all dated Aug 23. So if he indeed showed those to the media to show that AD had been texting him, he's full of scheisse.

Since I don't do the texting thingy, is "b@rbie girl" T*****y, or is that somebody texting to her.

All I know for fact, those are not from Aug 21. Even small (click on thumbnails for slightly larger, or go back and watch the videos at full screen and pause them) it's Aug 23.

or else he scrolled thru stuff, stopped on several screens and media can't edit to save their lives, OR they specifically edited out anything that he "may" have shown from Aug 21 or prior to protect her. They report that he claims she texted him prior to her death (duh), but he shows Aug 23, and I have real good idea she wasn't texting anybody after Aug 21. Of course we haven't been told date/time of death, but I don't think she was living in somebody's garage until Aug 24. Oh, and snuck back home to retrieve her cell phone when mom wasn't looking and texted him about more parties.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 06:27 PM
After seeing the sick demented posts on the memorial pages I wouldnt be suprised in the least if a person or people like that put up the bail. I also have faith in the judge and LE to come up with more charges to hold him if its attempted.JMO

Then they must be as nitwitted as him to throw 15K away. I hope they would be willing to escort him out of town too...and be willing to take that risk. He was a prison snitch don't forget. Fellow inmates don't take that lightly. Keep the faith, I think he's had.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 06:31 PM
I so agree baby is AD. Almost makes you wonder if they had an on going thing. Does anyone know who T is, and what the GF name is?

Think the gf is S, but not positive. Can't find much on her either. Wonder if T is who she was to meet...if the story was true. Something tells me they are all on IR's site tho.

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 06:41 PM
I so agree baby is AD. Almost makes you wonder if they had an on going thing. Does anyone know who T is, and what the GF name is?

Can't be AD on August 23. She was at time that still missing (presumed already dead in retrospect), and left home without her cell phone.

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 06:46 PM
Think the gf is S, but not positive. Can't find much on her either. Wonder if T is who she was to meet...if the story was true. Something tells me they are all on IR's site tho.

I was just On IRs Fb page didnt find a B@rbie girl or a T.....Y. I tried to find B@rbie girl on MS but I have dial up and it keeps disconnecting before I actually get to the site. Back to IRs FB hes posted in the last couple days, doesnt seem too conserned with case developments? IMO!! Wonder if he knows hes not a suspect anymore????

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 06:48 PM
Can't be AD on May 23. She was at time that still missing (presumed already dead in retrospect), and left home without her cell phone.

Is the 23rd the date the video was shot? That would be my guess.

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 06:56 PM
you mean "b@rbie girl"?

The dates on the actual cell phone screen are all dated Aug 23. So if he indeed showed those to the media to show that AD had been texting him, he's full of scheisse.

Since I don't do the texting thingy, is "b@rbie girl" T*****y, or is that somebody texting to her.

All I know for fact, those are not from Aug 21. Even small (click on thumbnails for slightly larger, or go back and watch the videos at full screen and pause them) it's Aug 23.

or else he scrolled thru stuff, stopped on several screens and media can't edit to save their lives, OR they specifically edited out anything that he "may" have shown from Aug 21 or prior to protect her. They report that he claims she texted him prior to her death (duh), but he shows Aug 23, and I have real good idea she wasn't texting anybody after Aug 21. Of course we haven't been told date/time of death, but I don't think she was living in somebody's garage until Aug 24. Oh, and snuck back home to retrieve her cell phone when mom wasn't looking and texted him about more parties.

I thought I read her mom said she took her cell phone but not a purse or clothes. I will search for the link

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 07:01 PM
Sorry for the confusion hollyblue, the initials are IR, typo.

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 07:03 PM
I thought I read her mom said she took her cell phone but not a purse or clothes. I will search for the link

www.kwch.com/.../kwch-news-cj-missing-great-bend-teen,0,4950056.story

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Is the 23rd the date the video was shot? That would be my guess.

No.

The date visible on all 3 images of his cell phone is Aug 23. I would "hope" that baby is his GF.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 07:08 PM
I was just On IRs Fb page didnt find a B@rbie girl or a T.....Y. I tried to find B@rbie girl on MS but I have dial up and it keeps disconnecting before I actually get to the site. Back to IRs FB hes posted in the last couple days, doesnt seem too conserned with case developments? IMO!! Wonder if he knows hes not a suspect anymore????


I found a T, but she is a minor...so no can sleuth. Her site is the same as AD's, with the same "age". Not on IR's page. Still looking for b@rbie.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1456067628
Here's pic of IR too.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs358.snc4/41769_1456067628_8228_n.jpg

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 07:11 PM
www.kwch.com/.../kwch-news-cj-missing-great-bend-teen,0,4950056.story (http://www.kwch.com/.../kwch-news-cj-missing-great-bend-teen,0,4950056.story)

Says page is not available, westside. ??

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 07:17 PM
www.kwch.com/.../kwch-news-cj-missing-great-bend-teen,0,4950056.story

Regardless of whether she did indeed take her cell or not, she disappeared on Aug. 21.

The cell phone messages shown in the 2 videos are ALL dated Aug. 23.

Only way those could be from her is if she was still alive somewhere on the night of Aug. 23 and killed and burned (later), prior to her body being discovered Aug 25.

In which case there are a bunch of people with some 'splaining to do. Somebody would have known what she was up to if she was a runaway.

Either he was blowing smoke and hoped the media didn't notice they were taking images of only Aug. 23 cell messages, or media didn't notice they stink at editing and put the wrong ones in. My bet is on the second, having seen all the screw ups out of media. I guess they never figured on amysmom to run across their videos and somebody to notice the dates don't match what AJL was saying.

Bottom line, the messages are all dated Aug. 23, two days after she was last seen alive. The "conversations" shown appear to be about AD being missing, and where she was the night of the party.

i.e. somebody states (they heard) "...she was goin to a party in lil mexico dat nite"

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 07:25 PM
Says page is not available, westside. ??

I got on it just fine. Hang on ill get a different 1....sorry it takes me so long but with dial up i have to keep refreshing!

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 07:33 PM
How far is wichita?

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 07:36 PM
i think it was a gang shoot out or drive by.the gangs number is 13. if you go to little mexico in great bend which little mexico is the poorest side of town you shall see there calling card on the back of the stop signs and other signs. Even trailer house's or regular houses .People should be aware of this dangerous gang and be on the look out.If a citizen lives in little mexico i would advice them to be carefull when going out and never go somewhere alone.Police should do there best to rid little mexico
of this gang and put them behind bar's.If you want to see the gang's number on the signs.Go to 2nd st and 3rd st in little mexico and you will see the sign's . This is all i can report for now. And remember citizens be carefull out there. It's a cruel world.

Snipped from topix http://www.topix.com/forum/city/geneseo-ks/TS2B887ON6RDH4D56

But gives us a general idea where "lil Mexico" is

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Regardless of whether she did indeed take her cell or not, she disappeared on May 21.

The cell phone messages shown in the 2 videos are ALL dated May 23.

Only way those could be from her is if she was still alive somewhere on the night of May 23 and killed and burned (later), prior to her body being discovered May 25.

In which case there are a bunch of people with some 'splaining to do. Somebody would have known what she was up to if she was a runaway.

Either he was blowing smoke and hoped the media didn't notice they were taking images of only May 23 cell messages, or media didn't notice they stink at editing and put the wrong ones in. My bet is on the second, having seen all the screw ups out of media. I guess they never figured on amysmom to run across their videos and somebody to notice the dates don't match what AJL was saying.

Bottom line, the messages are all dated May 23, two days after she was last seen alive. The "conversations" shown appear to be about AD being missing, and where she was the night of the party.

i.e. somebody states (they heard) "...she was goin to a party in lil mexico dat nite"

AOT.....She disappeared in August. 8/21/10.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 07:44 PM
Snipped from topix http://www.topix.com/forum/city/geneseo-ks/TS2B887ON6RDH4D56

But gives us a general idea where "lil Mexico" is

Local's will have to tell us where that is.

The only gang I know of with "13" is MS13....scary.

http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.aspx

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 07:47 PM
AOT.....She disappeared in August. 8/21/10.

Doh. My bad on month. Aug 21, Aug 23, Aug 25.

3 things at once here (one of which includes unrelated May stuff). She disappeared Aug 21.

Phone messages Aug 23. Not her.

ETA: went back and caught all of them I think. One message I can no longer edit, but put in request to mod to fix. Sorry for any confusion!

August, August, August!!!!! All happened in August! Bad subliminal messages cluttering my head.

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 07:51 PM
Local's will have to tell us where that is.

The only gang I know of with "13" is MS13....scary.

http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.aspx

yes MS13 is bad news for sure!

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 07:52 PM
I got on it just fine. Hang on ill get a different 1....sorry it takes me so long but with dial up i have to keep refreshing!

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20015075-504083.html -

sherbetjello
09-01-2010, 07:53 PM
I am popping in really quick to input some info (I hardly have any, to be honest.)

However, the memorial pages were not attacked by AL, or anyone familiar with AL, IMO. It was another site that I really don't want to name here per Google. But, they have been called the "bullies of the internet" or "where the internet goes to die", etc. etc. They make news quite a bit, recently they helped find the lady that stuck the cat in the trash can. So, it's not the church attacking her memorial pages (well, not that MUCH), it's another site with equal/more trolls .. if you can believe that or not.

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 07:55 PM
I am popping in really quick to input some info (I hardly have any, to be honest.)

However, the memorial pages were not attacked by AL, or anyone familiar with AL, IMO. It was another site that I really don't want to name here per Google. But, they have been called the "bullies of the internet" or "where the internet goes to die", etc. etc. They make news quite a bit, recently they helped find the lady that stuck the cat in the trash can. So, it's not the church attacking her memorial pages (well, not that MUCH), it's another site with equal/more trolls .. if you can believe that or not.

Also, I believe the GF's name starts with a M, IIRC.

I think I know who you are referring too as far as "Internet Bullies"

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 07:56 PM
AOT.....She disappeared in August. 8/21/10.
Im not positive but I think the date is the day of the interview not the date of the text???

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 08:02 PM
The reporters interviewed him on Thurs afternoon Aug 26, LE was there earlier in the afternoon and came back at 10pm . The remains were ID as Alicia earlier that day Aug 26 th. Her obit I think states she died on Sun Aug 22. So....is that an accurate time line that she most likely died between midnite and 1-2 am(Sun) the Creep came home according to GF around 1:30 am (SUN) In other words was he still partying with teens AFTER Alicia went missing?

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 08:09 PM
I think I know who you are referring too as far as "Internet Bullies"

Well that's interesting. They care about a cat being mistreated and pick on a murdered girl's website to troll!!!

Thanks for the info.

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 08:10 PM
Well that's interesting. They care about a cat being mistreated and pick on a murdered girl's website to troll!!!

Thanks for the info.

They did it to Susan Powell's FB group too :(
as well as Morgan Harrington

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 08:18 PM
ok I thought I knew what I was saying but now im just confused??? I apparently had my dates mixed up! I need to go back through and come up with a different time line or someone else is texting him to makie me believe its AD???

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 08:20 PM
They did it recently to my neighbors daughter who died after she jumped out of Mom's car while arguing, just terrible pic's and comments, I live in Canada so there are no borders with this kind of cruel, heartless behavior.

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 08:34 PM
How far is wichita?

Approx 118 miles. What ya on to?

Bringing map forward. You can use this as general map for you inquiries too.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.872859,-97.667942&spn=0.065085,0.109863&z=13

trigger
09-01-2010, 08:41 PM
Can you guys look at the crime scene and tell me what that is in the water? Enlarge the video and pause it.

Its the 3rd video down.... Body Found Identified As Missing 14-Year-Old...

I think the 1st video they interview a neighborhood girl who states she saw him in the (ventura) van. Doesn't anyone sleep in that town...lol


Opps sorry

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 08:42 PM
The reporters interviewed him on Thurs afternoon Aug 26, LE was there earlier in the afternoon and came back at 10pm . The remains were ID as Alicia earlier that day Aug 26 th. Her obit I think states she died on Sun Aug 22. So....is that an accurate time line that she most likely died between midnite and 1-2 am(Sun) the Creep came home according to GF around 1:30 am (SUN) In other words was he still partying with teens AFTER Alicia went missing?

2 1/2 hours seems like a small time line to do what ever he did to her, But I live in the country 6 miles it takes me 7 min. to get to town. that still leaves an hour and 45 minutes give or take to do what he did to her. If you sit silentley for 105 minutes its really alot of time in the scheme of things if you go by the 11 pm time line from the family...I can get alot done in that amount of time especially if im under pressure...Id think if I was raping _ killing someone id be under extensive pressure...JMO

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 08:44 PM
Approx 118 miles. What ya on to?

Bringing map forward. You can use this as general map for you inquiries too.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.872859,-97.667942&spn=0.065085,0.109863&z=13

Well when I googled Lil mexico kansas together it came u with a resturaunt in wichita..I was thinking if it were fairly close you know how some of these places allow minors ect to drink and stuff.

I then googled lil mexico with great bend and came up with an area 2nd and 3rd streets for a general area for lil mexico. Now if we can just figure out who had a party there *sigh*

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 08:45 PM
The reporters interviewed him on Thurs afternoon Aug 26, LE was there earlier in the afternoon and came back at 10pm . The remains were ID as Alicia earlier that day Aug 26 th. Her obit I think states she died on Sun Aug 22. So....is that an accurate time line that she most likely died between midnite and 1-2 am(Sun) the Creep came home according to GF around 1:30 am (SUN) In other words was he still partying with teens AFTER Alicia went missing?

Dunno if he was still partying, but was texting back and forth with more than one person, at least one of them about what they had heard about Alicia and that night. Since we don't know who the other parties are, it's possible they are of age, but I'm inclined to think not so much based on his past behavior in that town.

Don't think they're letting him continue from jail though! :dance:

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 08:46 PM
Can you guys look at the crime scene and tell me what that is in the water? Enlarge the video and pause it.

Its the 3rd video down.... Body Found Identified As Missing 14-Year-Old...

I think the 2nd video they interview a neighborhood girl who states she saw him in the (ventura) van. Doesn't anyone sleep in that town...lol


Opps sorry

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html

Oh my I sure hope its not what I think you think it is.

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 08:53 PM
2 1/2 hours seems like a small time line to do what ever he did to her, But I live in the country 6 miles it takes me 7 min. to get to town. that still leaves an hour and 45 minutes give or take to do what he did to her. If you sit silentley for 105 minutes its really alot of time in the scheme of things if you go by the 11 pm time line from the family...I can get alot done in that amount of time especially if im under pressure...Id think if I was raping _ killing someone id be under extensive pressure...JMO

2.5 hours is a ton of time if you think about it...if he picked her took her where ever did whatever strangled her or whatever and then tried to disfigure her and dump her...I would say since its all pretty close together 2.5 hours is more than enough

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 09:13 PM
Can you guys look at the crime scene and tell me what that is in the water? Enlarge the video and pause it.

Its the 3rd video down.... Body Found Identified As Missing 14-Year-Old...

I think the 1st video they interview a neighborhood girl who states she saw him in the (ventura) van. Doesn't anyone sleep in that town...lol


Opps sorry

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html

Not so sure I want to know. Even as stills, very fuzzy since it was shot from a moving helicopter.

About 1:05 there are two black items in the water. If you just let it run and keep backing up so it's a bit crisper than with a still, the item to left also has some white in it. No clue at all.

The item to the right, as the helicopter comes around, looks to me like a barrel, or some huge black conduit of some kind. Round (tubular), with what appears to be an opening at the end (facing shore).

I guess I had assumed she was found just lying on the ground, but perhaps her body was stuffed inside a barrel (sorry to be graphic) and shoved into the water, without a thought, that hey, it might eventually float? Or the water level receded enough to leave it exposed by Wed the 25th.

At the opening of the video, I can't tell at all. Too much camera movement.

Suffice to say might be removal of items related to her murder, if not the actual body. Could be her body had already been found and they were searching the muck for further evidence and bringing up whatever junk had been dumped in there.

MOO

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 09:22 PM
2.5 hours is a ton of time if you think about it...if he picked her took her where ever did whatever strangled her or whatever and then tried to disfigure her and dump her...I would say since its all pretty close together 2.5 hours is more than enough

I might be wrong but if your in a sexually intense moment 3 to 5 minutes could be alot of time that still leaves over an hour to kill and dispose of her body? Another couple of minutes to be scared and react in a vicious way doesnt seem out of the realm of things. wish I knew the exact cause of death! I may seem obsessed with this case but my 13 yr old grandaughter lives about 40 miles from GB and doesnt understand her mom callin parents to conferm overnight plans. Scares me...I also remember being that age and thinking I was invincible!

westsidefox64
09-01-2010, 09:43 PM
Not so sure I want to know. Even as stills, very fuzzy since it was shot from a moving helicopter.

About 1:05 there are two black items in the water. If you just let it run and keep backing up so it's a bit crisper than with a still, the item to left also has some white in it. No clue at all.

The item to the right, as the helicopter comes around, looks to me like a barrel, or some huge black conduit of some kind. Round (tubular), with what appears to be an opening at the end (facing shore).

I guess I had assumed she was found just lying on the ground, but perhaps her body was stuffed inside a barrel (sorry to be graphic) and shoved into the water, without a thought, that hey, it might eventually float? Or the water level receded enough to leave it exposed by Wed the 25th.

At the opening of the video, I can't tell at all. Too much camera movement.

Suffice to say might be removal of items related to her murder, if not the actual body. Could be her body had already been found and they were searching the muck for further evidence and bringing up whatever junk had been dumped in there.

MOO

I cant bring up the video, can someone post still pics? If not ill go to the library tomorow to view ...Thanks

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 09:55 PM
2 1/2 hours seems like a small time line to do what ever he did to her, But I live in the country 6 miles it takes me 7 min. to get to town. that still leaves an hour and 45 minutes give or take to do what he did to her. If you sit silently for 105 minutes its really alot of time in the scheme of things if you go by the 11 pm time line from the family...I can get alot done in that amount of time especially if im under pressure...Id think if I was raping _ killing someone id be under extensive pressure...JMO

Sorry, I have problems with the time line that Eve, but what I meant was it looked like he continued to 'Party' with young Teens AFTER Alicia disappeared ie Mon/Tues maybe Wed UNTIL her body was discovered.

The night of the Party time line still doesn't make sense unless it was premeditated. JMO However I really still wonder as I have said before perhaps she met a young man closer in age and AL, went into a rage, because she was ALL his, just a theory.

I wish I knew the purpose of that 'pond' wash it to wash gravel, was it to dig for new gravel sites? Was it rarely used by the Co.?



Now that I have seen the video again, I am wondering if she was put through the gravel machine , then set on fire and then placed in the Water to rot for DNA purposes. Sorry for being far too graphic, it makes me sick to think about this even happening. AL has spent at least 1/3 rd life in Prison, he would know what to do although he is a dumb A

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 09:59 PM
2 1/2 hours seems like a small time line to do what ever he did to her, But I live in the country 6 miles it takes me 7 min. to get to town. that still leaves an hour and 45 minutes give or take to do what he did to her. If you sit silently for 105 minutes its really alot of time in the scheme of things if you go by the 11 pm time line from the family...I can get alot done in that amount of time especially if im under pressure...Id think if I was raping _ killing someone id be under extensive pressure...JMO

Sorry, I have problems with the time line that Eve, but what I meant was it looked like he continued to 'Party' with young Teens AFTER Alicia disappeared ie Mon/Tues maybe Wed( I am referring to the Text messages) UNTIL her body was discovered.

The night of the Party time line still doesn't make sense unless it was premeditated. JMO However I really still wonder as I have said before perhaps she met a young man closer in age and AL, went into a rage, because she was ALL his, just a theory.



Now that I have seen the video again of where her remains were discovered, I am wondering if she was put through the gravel machine , then set on fire and then placed in the water to rot for DNA purposes. Sorry for being far too graphic, it makes me sick to think about this even happening. AL has spent at least 1/3 rd life in Pris, he would know what to do although he is a dumb A

hollyblue
09-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Well when I googled Lil mexico kansas together it came u with a resturaunt in wichita..I was thinking if it were fairly close you know how some of these places allow minors ect to drink and stuff.

I then googled lil mexico with great bend and came up with an area 2nd and 3rd streets for a general area for lil mexico. Now if we can just figure out who had a party there *sigh*

I think the 2nd and 3rd St location is the part east of town, south of the RR tracks. This is all trailer homes. imo

sherbetjello
09-01-2010, 10:19 PM
3 screen images. Sorry they are small, but I can't access Grab when at full screen. One is from one video, the other 2 from the other one.

I am confused. Does he own a "stupid cell" that doesn't know the day of the week? These texts are dated Aug 23. Nothing to/from AD, but other people, although it appears they are discussing where she was that night??

What the H is "little Mexico" please locals?

Stopping in real quick again.
I used to say "Little Mexico" when I was younger referring to the neighborhoods in Texas that are mostly Hispanic. (Everything on the street was written in Spanish, mostly Hispanic owned homes, corner stores sold mostly goods from Mexico, ie. bottled coca-colas and that awesome cheese from Oaxaca.) I know that some states have Historic areas, like NYC has Little Tokyo, so this could be a historic area. Cultural area, if you will. Does Great Bend have cultural things like that?

ALSO, IMO, this is a total reference for a specific neighborhood that the locals are familiar with.

wasnt_me
09-01-2010, 10:44 PM
Don't be sorry cos that's the original interview with him but showed way more (him walking to car with GF's daughter?) & him saying way more (he has witnesses that can prove he wasn't with her) then I had seen before. TY!

ETA..So the 'wife' intercepted Alicia's texts for rides & told her to stop it?..That's the same exact thing her MOM said she told her..I do not believe him & think he took his que from the report re: MOM & will continue this mindset until I hear it straight from the GF!

In the first interview he said his "wife" and AD mom told her not to text him.

If it's allowed and no one has done it yet, I can transcribe the interview and if I'm allowed or someone knows how to do it, we can get it attached to the thread, just like those cell phone pictures are. So someone let me know if we can do that and I'll get to transcribing.

cathdawg
09-01-2010, 11:04 PM
Maybe I am way....behind but from what I read Tiffany is an Adult. Her daughter is

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2010/08/27/Alicia_Debolt_(14)_was_found_dead_three_days_after _she_left_for_a_party_

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 11:27 PM
Maybe I am way....behind but from what I read Tiffany is an Adult. Her daughter is

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2010/08/27/Alicia_Debolt_(14)_was_found_dead_three_days_after _she_left_for_a_party_

Article has been deleted :(

Starry Night
09-01-2010, 11:30 PM
Please forgive me but I am having a hard time with all of this. I am physically sick over it all. I just don't know how cops do it-not kill a 'person of interest'. I really think I would have to. I am so utterly appalled at the depravity of this crime.
God be with her family.

wasnt_me
09-01-2010, 11:36 PM
I think the date on the cell phone pictures is the actual date the text messages came in.

I do not think any of the texts were from AD. I think that he did NOT show the media those texts he sent to AD on August 21st. Either that, or LE contacted them, confiscated that footage, or asked that it not be shown because of the investigation.

It's weird that he showed texts of people asking him if he'd heard anything about what had happened to AD. He was saying something about he had texts to prove that he didn't have a party or she wasn't at his party. I can't remember which he said, but maybe that's why he was showing the texts from the 23rd--even though they don't prove anything, except that he'd been made aware of the search.

He said that the 19 year old brought AD to his "wife's" birthday party and this is the only day that he EVER saw AD.

He said the 19 year old gave him AD's number, but did not tell him that it was AD number, and asked him to text her about a party. (If he did not know it was AD number, then how did his "wife" know the number or know enough to tell AD to stop contacting AL? anyways...) So apparently, he texted her about a party on the 21st. This might contradict his other statements because he claims he didn't know where the girl was or anything about a party that night, but then again, he's claiming that he didn't know that it was AD that he was texting.

This is very strange, seeing as how he claims he never had a party. So I don't know what party the 19 year old allegedly wanted AL to text AD about or why the 19yr old could not do it himself. (anyways...)

Neighbor G Martin says he met AD at the party. He claims that AL introduced him to AD, and though GM didn't stay long, he saw everyone leave around 11pm or 1130pm. (I don't know that I believe GM. He looked high when he was talking to the media. But maybe some part of his story is true and he just has his times wrong.) this is on the video called person of Interest in custody and it's length is 2:49. If you go to the 2:00 mark, you can hear what the neighbor's full account.

Click this link, http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx (http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx)and you should see all the videos in the first box in the left side, look for the one called "POI in custody." That's the quickest way to get to it.

anyoldtime48
09-01-2010, 11:52 PM
Maybe I am way....behind but from what I read Tiffany is an Adult. Her daughter is

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2010/08/27/Alicia_Debolt_(14)_was_found_dead_three_days_after _she_left_for_a_party_

If you know who T*****y is, I think you are way ahead of the rest of us.

Unfortunately, the link doesn't bring up a story, or else it requires a login to get at it?

mahoneys07
09-01-2010, 11:54 PM
Officials said DeBolt was likely killed in the same area where her body was found. On Wednesday, local and state law enforcement officers used divers, dogs and aircraft to search the area, looking for evidence.

Six did say the body had been burned beyond recognition. It had to be taken to the Sedgwick County Regional Forensics Center in Wichita for an autopsy and the results, which were based on dental records, weren’t known until late Wednesday night.


http://www.gbtribune.com/section/1/article/396/

nobodyspecial
09-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Article has been deleted :(

Try this:
http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2010/08/27/Alicia_Debolt_%2814%29_was_found_dead_three_days_a fter_she_left_for_a_party_with_a_19_year_old_man

Portabella
09-02-2010, 12:17 AM
I froze the picture and its the dive team members. the two black splotches are two men in the water scouring the bottom.

anyoldtime48
09-02-2010, 12:20 AM
Stopping in real quick again.
I used to say "Little Mexico" when I was younger referring to the neighborhoods in Texas that are mostly Hispanic. (Everything on the street was written in Spanish, mostly Hispanic owned homes, corner stores sold mostly goods from Mexico, ie. bottled coca-colas and that awesome cheese from Oaxaca.) I know that some states have Historic areas, like NYC has Little Tokyo, so this could be a historic area. Cultural area, if you will. Does Great Bend have cultural things like that?

ALSO, IMO, this is a total reference for a specific neighborhood that the locals are familiar with.

It's actually the SE corner of town. Bad side of the tracks so to speak. Cultural perhaps, but not so much like your examples IMO.

Map 2nd and 3rd streets and take the street tour. Mostly mobiles, some streets are dirt, some just have badly broken up pavement, some not so bad. I didn't find any signs of gang graffiti anywhere, but I can't see it bringing in the finer elements of town. No idea if it leans Hispanic, but the name would suggest so.

Mahoneys posted this link earlier. Fine commentary on that corner of town.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/geneseo-ks/TS2B887ON6RDH4D56

cathdawg
09-02-2010, 12:32 AM
nobodysecial, Thank you for the Link.

nobodyspecial
09-02-2010, 12:46 AM
nobodysecial, Thank you for the Link.

You're welcome. :)


I'm also curious about AD's myspace (the visible part). I know her posted age has been discussed, but has her "mood" status of 143 been brought up? I didn't recall reading anything on that, and wondered to whom she was speaking. Isn't 143 netspeak for "I love you"?

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 01:23 AM
Wow. I don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a collection of video interviews that AL has given. Timeline info galore, but of course, this is his view.
I think the media WAS a very big part of this investigation.

Interview: Adam Longoria speaks to Eyewitness News

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front (http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front)

Starry Night
09-02-2010, 01:28 AM
That neighbor quoted in the article said she prayed for Alicia all the time...oh what a wonderful person. I feel for her right now cause she wanted to protect her.
"Dradeana Cartwright, a neighbor of the family, also said the girl had a lot of older friends.

"I feared for her. I did all the time. I prayed for her a lot," Cartwright said Wednesday."
She noticed the 'older' friends by God.
We all need neighbors like that.

mahoneys07
09-02-2010, 01:28 AM
I had wondered who the 143 was for I was assuming TM

daisy.faithfull
09-02-2010, 01:41 AM
S&BBM

Does this help to confirm he IS the same AL that was the snitch & got stabbed in prison? There's still some confusion in my mind about it cos of the supposed age of the other AL & that he's supposedly still in prison.

This post I did explains how the AL who is a POI in this case is not the AL that was stabbed and therefor is not the AL with gang affiliation:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5562825&postcount=520

A bit up thread from that I explain it in more detail.

It is frustrating that MSM did an article that reports that he is the one that was stabbed. It seems that there are other instances where MSM has it wrong and it just seems to add to the confusion about who AL is.

sherbetjello
09-02-2010, 01:53 AM
Isn't 143 netspeak for "I love you"?

It is "I love you", it came from the days of pagers (those obsolete things you put on your hip and people send a number for you to call.)

revampz
09-02-2010, 01:58 AM
I dont think it is the same AL that was stabbed by the gang.........is Appellee suppose to be part of his name.....wasnt this guys second name Rocco......dont know if below has been posted before.......very interesting reading.......if this is the same guy, he sure is one bbaaaddddd man....... it says that he claims he was a prospect for the texas syndicate but it then goes on to say he was a LEADER! of the gang.....

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

I hope we can clarify for once and for all if it is the same guy..............

Also the comments on this case are very disturbing.....\\

I have read a couple of times about "those men" and "7 guys" and of course the asphalt machine....

I am wondering if other younger guys...probably hispanic....idolized him if he had been this gang member and telling stories of being stabbed by the TS and this whole crime was witnessed by these younger guys and even some taking part........

bloomin awful tho...

Montjoy
09-02-2010, 02:24 AM
is Appellee suppose to be part of his name.....

No, that means that he was responding to an appeal.

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 03:05 AM
Texas man charged in last week's bomb threats

Local authorities are placing a hold on him (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/kevin-fineberg/), so, when he has completed his sentence there, he will be brought to McDowell County (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/provinceorstate/tags/mcdowell-county/) to face these charges.

http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2009/feb/04/texas-man-charged-last-weeks-bomb-threats-ar-1561/

Yep, someone dropped the ball here. This possibly could have been avoided. How completely tragic.

mahoneys07
09-02-2010, 03:21 AM
thats a shame could have been completly avoided

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 04:26 AM
I had wondered who the 143 was for I was assuming TM

It could have been, but she posted msgs to her mother saying that also.

I tried to look for any signs of 13 or anything gang related, but the satiellite images that we are getting may be years old. I tried to find Willie J's and got a corner lot...so don't know if google is just off or just old. We need the locals to come back on.

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 05:16 AM
In the first interview he said his "wife" and AD mom told her not to text him.

If it's allowed and no one has done it yet, I can transcribe the interview and if I'm allowed or someone knows how to do it, we can get it attached to the thread, just like those cell phone pictures are. So someone let me know if we can do that and I'll get to transcribing.

That would be great wasnt_me!! \You could create the transcription in google docs and then just post the link here. It's really simple. Here's the link. You have to create an a/c, but can use the same a/c to do other features it provides also. Here's link:

https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=writely&passive=1209600&continue=http://docs.google.com/&followup=http://docs.google.com/&ltmpl=homepage

anyoldtime48
09-02-2010, 05:31 AM
Wow. I don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a collection of video interviews that AL has given. Timeline info galore, but of course, this is his view.
I think the media WAS a very big part of this investigation.

Interview: Adam Longoria speaks to Eyewitness News

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front (http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front)

Ah yes, just call him Smoothie.

Interesting he covered the same batch of texts that were shown on his cell in the other videos.

Only stuff I'm way rusty on is the Espanol. Anybody here fluent in it? Sounded like a couple teenage girls checking him out, which I hope wasn't the case.

anyoldtime48
09-02-2010, 05:56 AM
This post I did explains how the AL who is a POI in this case is not the AL that was stabbed and therefor is not the AL with gang affiliation:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5562825&postcount=520

A bit up thread from that I explain it in more detail.

It is frustrating that MSM did an article that reports that he is the one that was stabbed. It seems that there are other instances where MSM has it wrong and it just seems to add to the confusion about who AL is.

It was confirmed by Texas prison officials. That document was as of 2006. No reason he couldn't have been moved to the federal facility in Beaumont between then and 2010.

anyoldtime48
09-02-2010, 05:59 AM
I dont think it is the same AL that was stabbed by the gang.........is Appellee suppose to be part of his name.....wasnt this guys second name Rocco......dont know if below has been posted before.......very interesting reading.......if this is the same guy, he sure is one bbaaaddddd man....... it says that he claims he was a prospect for the texas syndicate but it then goes on to say he was a LEADER! of the gang.....

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

I hope we can clarify for once and for all if it is the same guy..............

Also the comments on this case are very disturbing.....\\

I have read a couple of times about "those men" and "7 guys" and of course the asphalt machine....

I am wondering if other younger guys...probably hispanic....idolized him if he had been this gang member and telling stories of being stabbed by the TS and this whole crime was witnessed by these younger guys and even some taking part........

bloomin awful tho...

Middle name is Joseph. Rocco only a nickname.

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 08:57 AM
Ah yes, just call him Smoothie.

Interesting he covered the same batch of texts that were shown on his cell in the other videos.

Only stuff I'm way rusty on is the Espanol. Anybody here fluent in it? Sounded like a couple teenage girls checking him out, which I hope wasn't the case.

I'm better at reading other languages then speaking them. :) He seemed to be very fluent in Spanish..? I thought maybe he was answering questions for a Spanish speaking reporter? I've only picked up a few things from the Joran Van der Sloot case. I thought he answered something about three friends at one time, so was thinking she was asking about the other 3 guys at the bar.
Which brings me to another thought, I wonder what LE was looking for in the trash there?
Also, did anyone find a link to the phone question? I assumed she took her cell with her, but wanted to make sure. Maybe LE is looking for her phone? Prints?
I think LE will be able to pull tire tracks too to connect him if the area hadn't been disturbed too much. He stated he didn't work at that location, so there was no reason for his tracks to be there. Maybe shoe prints too.

Does anyone else think it's kind of peculiar that the media showed up to talk to him hours before the search? Remember the news crew was there when it went down....and they don't normally accompany LE to the scene for a search. Too, he got off work at 6pm, so how long were the media there prior. The video shows him in the light and then it turns dark later on...with breaks in the video. ? And this was all on the day it was confimed of her idenity. A little pressure....to see how he would react? I think it worked....he booked.

I also thought the neighbor left around 2AM to take him to work, but then it was stated he came back home at 4:00 AM. ??? When did he actually leave to get the truck and how..Did he have a set keys? Did he get sneak the keys out that evening? I can't believe the company would allow the keys to be left in the trucks nowadays.

Enough....more questions to ponder later.

TexasLil
09-02-2010, 09:19 AM
There is another Longoria (45 yo hispanic male) in prison in Texas for child molestation committed in 2002 in Harris county. You can do a name search here but warning... the search engine is deathly slow. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/offender_information.htm#General

Per the article below TDCJ has confirmed the Longoria stabbed at Telford is the same as the suspect in Alicia's murder. Hope this helps.

"Jason Clark, public information officer with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, confirmed Longoria was the inmate stabbed in the case. He also confirmed Longoria served time for numerous convictions from Nueces County, Texas, including escape, evading arrest and robbery, before completing his sentence May 25."

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

Bringing this forward to clarify that it has been confirmed by TDCJ that the AL stabbed is the same one we are discussing here.

westsidefox64
09-02-2010, 10:04 AM
you mean "b@rbie girl"?

The dates on the actual cell phone screen are all dated Aug 23. So if he indeed showed those to the media to show that AD had been texting him, he's full of scheisse.

Since I don't do the texting thingy, is "b@rbie girl" T*****y, or is that somebody texting to her.

All I know for fact, those are not from Aug 21. Even small (click on thumbnails for slightly larger, or go back and watch the videos at full screen and pause them) it's Aug 23.

or else he scrolled thru stuff, stopped on several screens and media can't edit to save their lives, OR they specifically edited out anything that he "may" have shown from Aug 21 or prior to protect her. They report that he claims she texted him prior to her death (duh), but he shows Aug 23, and I have real good idea she wasn't texting anybody after Aug 21. Of course we haven't been told date/time of death, but I don't think she was living in somebody's garage until Aug 24. Oh, and snuck back home to retrieve her cell phone when mom wasn't looking and texted him about more parties.

After a good nights sleep so hopefully a fresher mind I looked through the cell messages again. I now believe baby has to be the GF or Gfs daughter? T I believe is someone that is texting to see if he knows anything, but if he only met her once why would anyone ask him that. Id say he spent alot more time with her and apparently T knew that. I also wonder if he showed that text because it puts her destination in little mexico instead of at his house.

hollyblue
09-02-2010, 03:33 PM
After a good nights sleep so hopefully a fresher mind I looked through the cell messages again. I now believe baby has to be the GF or Gfs daughter? T I believe is someone that is texting to see if he knows anything, but if he only met her once why would anyone ask him that. Id say he spent alot more time with her and apparently T knew that. I also wonder if he showed that text because it puts her destination in little mexico instead of at his house.

I think it's great he talked so much to the media and prolly hung himself with his own words....saying something that LE have evidence to prove otherwise....and prolly more than once :D ...imo.

westsidefox64
09-02-2010, 04:25 PM
I just read that in the video of the cell phone AL has a cut on his hand. I cant view the videos, can omeone check it out. I read it in the following comment link 2nd page.
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...spx?p=Comments

TexasLil
09-02-2010, 04:40 PM
I just read that in the video of the cell phone AL has a cut on his hand. I cant view the videos, can omeone check it out. I read it in the following comment link 2nd page.
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...spx?p=Comments

I went back and watched the videos and didn't specifically see any scratches. However it dawned on me that there was a good reason he wouldn't allow anything but that portion of this hand and forearm to be in the video after remembering the picture of him being escorted to court and the apparent burn or bite mark which was up closer to his elbow.

I was really hoping the camera would slip and show that upper part of his arm but it didn't happen... and for a good reason I'm sure.

passionflower
09-02-2010, 04:51 PM
I went back and watched the videos and didn't specifically see any scratches. However it dawned on me that there was a good reason he wouldn't allow anything but that portion of this hand and forearm to be in the video after remembering the picture of him being escorted to court and the apparent burn or bite mark which was up closer to his elbow.

I was really hoping the camera would slip and show that upper part of his arm but it didn't happen... and for a good reason I'm sure.

It would be great if Alicia put up a fight, bite marks, her DNA on him etc.
I am hoping he has marks all ovr him to use at trial.:furious:

Soul125
09-02-2010, 05:16 PM
It would be great if Alicia put up a fight, bite marks, her DNA on him etc.
I am hoping he has marks all ovr him to use at trial.:furious:

Do you think LE would have photograhed his arms or hands to use as evidence? Just curious as he will have time to heal.:no:

westsidefox64
09-02-2010, 05:54 PM
Do you think LE would have photograhed his arms or hands to use as evidence? Just curious as he will have time to heal.:no:

I would:( assume they took pics of any marks sores tattoos etc...But alot of healing can happen in 6 days

cathdawg
09-02-2010, 10:20 PM
Sister of Alicia 'Dawn' has shut her FB down, now private, so.....sad as I assume A holes have been violating the site.

revampz
09-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Bringing this forward to clarify that it has been confirmed by TDCJ that the AL stabbed is the same one we are discussing here.

Thank you.....wow...after reading that legal paper this guy has absolutely no respect for laws or really other people........they say that he was the leader of TS at that particular prison....that to me makes him one dangerous man....and to top it off he then snitched not once but twice on his fellow gang members, in my mind there is no way this guy could ever lead a normal everyday existence in society.....

and I know this sounds bad but him hanging around teenagers would have been a big ego boost.......I know what some teenagers are like.....like I said before some of the hispanic boys maybe in local gangs would idolize him and unfortunately teenage girls can have that "bad boy syndrome", I know I liked the bad boys at that age (but not this bad!!!)......i just think tho kids of that age are too naive to realize what type of dangerous lifestyle this guy has lived in....and what he may be capable of.....

Bratislava
09-02-2010, 11:22 PM
Such a sad, heartbreaking case. I am sure the GF will testify against him to save herself from any possible conspiracy charges, so the prosecution has at least one "witness" lined up. What I really wonder about is the GF's children.

I am completely unfamiliar with how prosecution deals with potential witnesses under the age of 18. Do they take their testimony? Or do they not involve them at all? Please forgive my ignorance on this. I just got to thinking one of you might know.

Munsterphilia
09-03-2010, 01:27 AM
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09-03-2010, 02:08 AM
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Portabella
09-03-2010, 04:33 AM
Okay you can see the cut on his hand very very visible....

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Vigil-planned-for-slain-Great-Bend-teen/GiUk3vf4E0-VZXghFKonvg.cspx

Go to the one that shows his face with the blue background, not the one of the vigil, and its at approx. 1 min 13 seconds into it.

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 08:11 AM
Changed and updated map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.364003,-98.764086&spn=0.031765,0.05476&z=14

TexasLil
09-03-2010, 09:22 AM
Okay you can see the cut on his hand very very visible....

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Vigil-planned-for-slain-Great-Bend-teen/GiUk3vf4E0-VZXghFKonvg.cspx

Go to the one that shows his face with the blue background, not the one of the vigil, and its at approx. 1 min 13 seconds into it.

I think I found it...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=10936

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Why is LE sitting on this?

TexasLil
09-03-2010, 09:43 AM
Why is LE sitting on this?

I have to believe they are waiting for a lot of evidence, DNA and otherwise, to come back before charging him. They want to have a rock solid case and, in this instance, he isn't going anywhere so they have plenty of time to make sure the case is solid.

westsidefox64
09-03-2010, 09:52 AM
I think I found it...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=10936

WOW that is a good slice. I really appriciate you finding this THANKS!!!

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 09:59 AM
Getting angrier by the minute here.........

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 11:12 AM
I just remembered something the neighbor in the video said. He said "they all left together". So where did "they all" go? How many cars left together? Were "they" all in one car? Was the mother and children there too? ******Side note: Can you imagine the atmosphere these kids were subjected to night after night of the get togethers he/she? had at this house? I wonder if the mother worked nights?********

Longoria is saying he didn't see her that night, and so did the 19 year old. (IR?) AL is more or less trying to put the ernst on IR I think. Does IR drive the red Dodge Charger AL made mention of in the video?

AL says he went bowling, out to eat, and then the club on that Sat.

Has it ever been confirmed that he indeed had relatives in IL? His route would lead one to think he could have been headed there, after sending the cowboy hats and pr of pants to TX (evidence?) Wonder if he was stupid enough to mail them to the prison to one of his buds? :innocent:

Wonder how the media found out about AL to do the interview? To the best of my knowledge, that video interview was never released until after his "run".?????? Was it?

Does anyone think he called LE with his "knowledge" of anything about AD
after they announced their interest in anyone sending/receiving calls/text re: AD?

Just thinking out loud .............

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Her memorial should be taking place right now. Bless you little angel.

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 11:32 AM
God rest her soul.

westsidefox64
09-03-2010, 11:36 AM
I just remembered something the neighbor in the video said. He said "they all left together". So where did "they all" go? How many cars left together? Were "they" all in one car? Was the mother and children there too? ******Side note: Can you imagine the atmosphere these kids were subjected to night after night of the get togethers he/she? had at this house? I wonder if the mother worked nights?********

Longoria is saying he didn't see her that night, and so did the 19 year old. (IR?) AL is more or less trying to put the ernst on IR I think. Does IR drive the red Dodge Charger AL made mention of in the video?

AL says he went bowling, out to eat, and then the club on that Sat.

Has it ever been confirmed that he indeed had relatives in IL? His route would lead one to think he could have been headed there, after sending the cowboy hats and pr of pants to TX (evidence?) Wonder if he was stupid enough to mail them to the prison to one of his buds? :innocent:

Wonder how the media found out about AL to do the interview? To the best of my knowledge, that video interview was never released until after his "run".?????? Was it?

Does anyone think he called LE with his "knowledge" of anything about AD
after they announced their interest in anyone sending/receiving calls/text re: AD?

Just thinking out loud .............

Alot of good questions. AL said he only met AD once so why would people be texting him and doing interviews with him. That would be a useless thing to do to someone who didnt know her. I think they had to have some kind of a relationship, friend ,babysitter, whatever. I just cant imagine anyone going up to a virtual stranger to someone and expecting them to know anything about them. Did AL call the press or did someone leak info to them???justs thoughts

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 11:43 AM
Wow. Wow wow wow. In the heat of the moment I never even thought about AL being 'out there' with the media. Someone could contact the media he had interaction with and find out who contacted who first.

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 12:17 PM
Alot of good questions. AL said he only met AD once so why would people be texting him and doing interviews with him. That would be a useless thing to do to someone who didnt know her. I think they had to have some kind of a relationship, friend ,babysitter, whatever. I just cant imagine anyone going up to a virtual stranger to someone and expecting them to know anything about them. Did AL call the press or did someone leak info to them???justs thoughts

Yep, it doesn't add up does it. I think she met him thru either the 19 year old or the older crowd. I think the gf and AL allowed the local kids to come over and may have "supplied" them. I really don't think Alicia would have been attracted to AL....physically. I see her thinking he is an older, "cool" father-like figure....ie: she sees the guys sorta looking up to him as a masculine older figure...who let's them do something (?) their parents wouldn't...(cool!!) All speculation, he's old enough to be her father, so maybe she really perceived him in that way...tho he may have perceived her as prey. She took his shown interest as fatherly? (I'll call Adam...cause he cares and I trust him.) I don't know if AD's father had been around when she was younger, (RD lives in AZ now, I believe) or how long Tammy has been married to Mr. Conrad. Maybe there was friction there?? IDK...just throwing out theories. IMO

mahoneys07
09-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Lighting an candle for Alicia and her family today. RIP "babygurl"

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Whoo! Hollyblue I believe you have nailed the scenario. Bad train wreck from the day he set foot in that town.

gliving
09-03-2010, 01:11 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/03/1476920/alicia-debolt-14-remembered-as.html

There were six large floral bouquets at the front of the church and a large portrait of Alicia. In the foyer were more photographs and a display of sandals and shoes she had worn.

Her family said that she loved clothing and loved putting sparkly sequins on clothing items. She also loved her name and loved to write it on everything, they said.

She spent her last day shopping for clothes in Wichita and ate her last meal at her favorite restaurant, the Olive Garden.

mahoneys07
09-03-2010, 01:16 PM
She spent her last day shopping for clothes in Wichita and ate her last meal at her favorite restaurant, the Olive Garden.


That answers that question...She was shopping all day

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 01:30 PM
Hays remembers slain Great Bend girl.

"They hope ... that people can learn from it in regards to young people honestly communicating with parents in regards to where they're going and who they're going with."

http://www.hdnews.net/mailstoryform/DeBolt090310

westsidefox64
09-03-2010, 01:46 PM
Yep, it doesn't add up does it. I think she met him thru either the 19 year old or the older crowd. I think the gf and AL allowed the local kids to come over and may have "supplied" them. I really don't think Alicia would have been attracted to AL....physically. I see her thinking he is an older, "cool" father-like figure....ie: she sees the guys sorta looking up to him as a masculine older figure...who let's them do something (?) their parents wouldn't...(cool!!) All speculation, he's old enough to be her father, so maybe she really perceived him in that way...tho he may have perceived her as prey. She took his shown interest as fatherly? (I'll call Adam...cause he cares and I trust him.) I don't know if AD's father had been around when she was younger, (RD lives in AZ now, I believe) or how long Tammy has been married to Mr. Conrad. Maybe there was friction there?? IDK...just throwing out theories. IMO

TC and DC were married June 10.2010 http://registry.weddingchannel.com/coupledir/20106/C/R314657328/DANNY_CONRAD_AND_TAMMY_DEBOLT.htm

according to TCs MS page she is newly single after 18 years of marriage. Not possitive when that was posted but as close as I can tell it was late 2009??? http://www.myspace.com/tammydeb

Hope that helps

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 03:03 PM
Hutch news article re Funeral

http://www.hutchnews.com/Latestlocalnews/Friends--family-celebrate-Great-Bend-teen-s-life

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 03:07 PM
Statement released by Debolt Family

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/09/03/12/deboltstatement.source.prod_affiliate.80.pdf

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 03:38 PM
I have been trying to find comments from the locals below article etc., this utube video has some interesting comments below it, who knows if they are factual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2trJ04SKx8&feature=related

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 03:41 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/03/1476920/alicia-debolt-14-remembered-as.html

There were six large floral bouquets at the front of the church and a large portrait of Alicia. In the foyer were more photographs and a display of sandals and shoes she had worn.

Her family said that she loved clothing and loved putting sparkly sequins on clothing items. She also loved her name and loved to write it on everything, they said.

She spent her last day shopping for clothes in Wichita and ate her last meal at her favorite restaurant, the Olive Garden.
Crying my eyes out. Have taken to my bed for this girl in grief. I am so heartbroken for her family and for her. Pray for them.

JLMcKenna83
09-03-2010, 03:52 PM
At least Alicia got to spend her last day here on earth doing the things that she loved.

R.I.P Beautiful Alicia! :rose:

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 04:06 PM
Rest in peace sweet angel.

westsidefox64
09-03-2010, 04:15 PM
RIP ALICIA...candles burning in your honor!!!

TXHOPE
09-03-2010, 04:33 PM
She wrote this poem and posted the lyrics to "If I die young" on her FB page. Did this sweet girl just know that her time was coming to an end? It seems as though she really thought about it. So sad at 14 to even have these thoughts. :(

A relative who was not identified read a poem during the service that Alicia had written entitled "Don't be sad when I die."

It starts:

"When tomorrow starts without me and I am not there to comfort you, please know that I still love you and because I know you love me too."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/03/1476920/alicia-debolt-14-remembered-as.html#ixzz0yV4I0tiV

westsidefox64
09-03-2010, 04:51 PM
She wrote this poem and posted the lyrics to "If I die young" on her FB page. Did this sweet girl just know that her time was coming to an end? It seems as though she really thought about it. So sad at 14 to even have these thoughts. :(

A relative who was not identified read a poem during the service that Alicia had written entitled "Don't be sad when I die."

It starts:

"When tomorrow starts without me and I am not there to comfort you, please know that I still love you and because I know you love me too."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/03/1476920/alicia-debolt-14-remembered-as.html#ixzz0yV4I0tiV

Isnt it strange how that happens? Makes you wonder if they have a HEADS UP of some kind. Not that this has anything to do with this case but when my brother died in an accident when he was 23, The day before he took my mom out to eat and bought her gifts, took us younger kids for ice cream and let us wash his car(his pride and joy we were not allowed any where near it) All things way out of the common realm...just makes ya think???

amysmom
09-03-2010, 05:00 PM
I had wondered who the 143 was for I was assuming TM

She did '143' to TM (last winter?) on his FB..She also told him she "loved" him a lot.

There wasn't a photo of TM tho on his main page so I'm very curious to see his face.

Has anyone?

amysmom
09-03-2010, 05:15 PM
After a good nights sleep so hopefully a fresher mind I looked through the cell messages again. I now believe baby has to be the GF or Gfs daughter? T I believe is someone that is texting to see if he knows anything, but if he only met her once why would anyone ask him that. Id say he spent alot more time with her and apparently T knew that. I also wonder if he showed that text because it puts her destination in little mexico instead of at his house.

BBM

Alicia supposedly did go by "baby" & was called "babygurl" by her family so I'm not convinced at all that those texts are NOT from her..Especially if you look at the times of the calls (& ignore the date on the top of his cell) cos the last 2 that said she was "going" & "hurry up" were just prior to 11p when she did get picked up..He also has admitted he got texts from her asking for a ride that night..Of course, he claims he never saw her or gave her a ride..What else would anyone expect him to say? :sick:

Did he even know T cos he asked "who's this?" but not before replying to her Q..The text re: "little mexico" doesn't prove anything to me except that maybe she was planning to go there or it was just a rumor she was..That possibly made up by AL himself.

Kat
09-03-2010, 05:56 PM
From link above.

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/09/03/12/deboltstatement.source.prod_affiliate.80.pdf

Statement from family. Rest in Peace little one. Fly with the angels.

anyoldtime48
09-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Wow. I don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a collection of video interviews that AL has given. Timeline info galore, but of course, this is his view.
I think the media WAS a very big part of this investigation.

Interview: Adam Longoria speaks to Eyewitness News

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front (http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=b29dd569-9a6a-4677-b5a0-d4aec4302077&cat=empty&src=front)

Bumping this for amysmom. Adam himself goes over those exact same texts himself in this interview. Cell phones know the date and time.

He pulled those up specifically, I think to "show" that Alicia had gone to "lil Mexico" that night and not his place. If you read the messages, they are talking about Alicia after the fact. "have u heard" etc. Talk of the town by then, and clearly people knew, or suspected, that he knew Alicia.

Anybody can go by "baby" or "tiffany" or "B@rbie". We simply have no idea who they are since they aren't talking publicly with the media, but the date of all those messages shown and talked about was August 23. It seem perfectly logical to me that baby is likely his GF and in a hurry to go somewhere.

anyoldtime48
09-03-2010, 06:23 PM
I just remembered something the neighbor in the video said. He said "they all left together". So where did "they all" go? How many cars left together? Were "they" all in one car? Was the mother and children there too? ******Side note: Can you imagine the atmosphere these kids were subjected to night after night of the get togethers he/she? had at this house? I wonder if the mother worked nights?********

Longoria is saying he didn't see her that night, and so did the 19 year old. (IR?) AL is more or less trying to put the ernst on IR I think. Does IR drive the red Dodge Charger AL made mention of in the video?

AL says he went bowling, out to eat, and then the club on that Sat.

Has it ever been confirmed that he indeed had relatives in IL? His route would lead one to think he could have been headed there, after sending the cowboy hats and pr of pants to TX (evidence?) Wonder if he was stupid enough to mail them to the prison to one of his buds? :innocent:

Wonder how the media found out about AL to do the interview? To the best of my knowledge, that video interview was never released until after his "run".?????? Was it?

Does anyone think he called LE with his "knowledge" of anything about AD
after they announced their interest in anyone sending/receiving calls/text re: AD?

Just thinking out loud .............

BBM

Police were at his and GF's house with search warrant, and also took her SUV, which he mentions in the long video you posted (of mostly his feet). Small town. Where police presence is with a warrant (and probably all day activity), media will be sniffing not far behind.

Don't recall timing on when video interviews of him were actually released, so no idea if any were out there before he ran, but I'd bet snippets were included in the evening news of anybody and everybody who said anything remotely interesting in regards to her disappearance, and subsequently after her body was found.

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 06:36 PM
I just re listened to the video (AL) boy is he a BS er, he makes me sick.

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 06:43 PM
BBM

Police were at his and GF's house with search warrant, and also took her SUV, which he mentions in the long video you posted (of mostly his feet). Small town. Where police presence is with a warrant (and probably all day activity), media will be sniffing not far behind.

Don't recall timing on when video interviews of him were actually released, so no idea if any were out there before he ran, but I'd bet snippets were included in the evening news of anybody and everybody who said anything remotely interesting in regards to her disappearance, and subsequently after her body was found.

The earliest I have heard in the search was 9:30 PM, and it would have been dark at that point. That video had to be earlier. I'll have to go back to our posts on the 26th and look for any posts w/video. I know he had been questioned earlier by LE, maybe more than once, he doesn't say.

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 06:48 PM
She did '143' to TM (last winter?) on his FB..She also told him she "loved" him a lot.

There wasn't a photo of TM tho on his main page so I'm very curious to see his face.

Has anyone?

The only FB I can find on him is set to private....sister's too. Do you have a link to the above FB or do you mean his MS? TIA

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 06:51 PM
Forgot to mention, it would be wonderful if someone could translate the conversation that AL had with the woman while being interviewed, to me, she sounded a little anxious.

Munsterphilia
09-03-2010, 07:09 PM
Hello- I came across a post recently, I do not know how accurate, please judge for yourself. It absolutely broke my heart. The author sounds sincere IMO and I truly feel for her, and her family as well as AD's family and friends. No words can express my shock...May God Bless.

Details are little graphic...
http://www.militarysos.com/forum/new...e-graphic.html

anyoldtime48
09-03-2010, 07:10 PM
The earliest I have heard in the search was 9:30 PM, and it would have been dark at that point. That video had to be earlier. I'll have to go back to our posts on the 26th and look for any posts w/video. I know he had been questioned earlier by LE, maybe more than once, he doesn't say.

or the following day.

passionflower
09-03-2010, 07:23 PM
Hello- I came across a post recently, I do not know how accurate, please judge for yourself. It absolutely broke my heart. The author sounds sincere IMO and I truly feel for her, and her family as well as AD's family and friends. No words can express my shock...May God Bless.

Details are little graphic...
http://www.militarysos.com/forum/new...e-graphic.html

Oh my they (5) did all that to Alicia?
May they rot in hello..........
and I am glad they went back and got caught.......
It is unhuman what they did!!!!
So the moster AL had help!!!!

Starry Night
09-03-2010, 07:53 PM
I am leaving these boards. I can't take it. I have not looked at Munster's link. I will continue to pray forever for victims of crime. I never met my own mother, as she was one. May the peace of God be with you all.

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 07:54 PM
I am sorry , would someone please tell me where to look , I opened the link but I don't know where to go. TIA

~greeneyedgirl~
09-03-2010, 07:56 PM
Where is this posting, when I click the link I get the websites homepage???


Never mind I found it sorry....


Wish I never read it......

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 07:58 PM
or the following day.

It is my understanding that LE was at AL's house in the afternoon then came back around 9:30 pm.

Poki
09-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Hello- I came across a post recently, I do not know how accurate, please judge for yourself. It absolutely broke my heart. The author sounds sincere IMO and I truly feel for her, and her family as well as AD's family and friends. No words can express my shock...May God Bless.

Details are little graphic...
http://www.militarysos.com/forum/new...e-graphic.html

It is in the, "In The News" section, approximately the thirteenth post down. Took me a while to find it. What a completely horrible account of what allegedly happened. Praying it is not true and just an exaggerated rumor.

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 08:12 PM
Thank you Poki for the assistance. I am just further sickened by this , no words can describe this horrific situation.

Invisible
09-03-2010, 08:39 PM
Thank you Poki for the assistance. I am just further sickened by this , no words can describe this horrific situation.

Ugh, I went and read the thread. I wish I hadn't. I am hoping that this is just a rumor that 5 men were involved. The question is WHY would they do this? How could 5 people have such evil in them?

Valleyboy
09-03-2010, 08:50 PM
If this is true then there is no punishment that they receive

can be enough.

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 09:30 PM
I would like to know if the Party Alicia went to was in fact in Little Mexico, under comments below utube video (the one the young guy did) one of the posters said she went to a 15 yr olds BD.

Sorry, when I link the video the comment section doesn't show up! This Young Fellow is local and said her body was found in the Ditch, so for sure she was in that water at Plant of Venture Corp.

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=t2trJ04SKx8

JLMcKenna83
09-03-2010, 09:41 PM
Don't you think that if all of those "men" were involved they'd all of been arrested by now? (especially if 2 of them came forward??)

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 09:46 PM
I am wondering if the are Juvies, also I think it will take some time to get the DNA matched up from all 5 ! Its just sick.

cathdawg
09-03-2010, 09:47 PM
I am wondering if the woman talking in Spanish to AL during news interview was possibly a sister of one of the Guys maybe IR's?!

hoppyfrog
09-03-2010, 09:55 PM
I apologize to all of you.

Much earlier in this thread I OK'ed cutting and pasting to WS comments made that come after a news article, after a blog entry, after a you tube, etc.

I was wrong about that and I'm very sorry.

You may mention or paraphrase a certain comment and link it, but that is all.

Thanks for your patience,

Hoppy
mod

TXHOPE
09-03-2010, 10:01 PM
There have been other rumors that have been proved to be false that we have seen on other boards. I'm just gonna pray this beautiful 14 year old child did not experience what is in that link. Uh makes me sick, physically nauseous. Please let it be just a rumor. It's a rumor until I hear it from LE.

Soul125
09-03-2010, 10:03 PM
I have been trying to find comments from the locals below article etc., this utube video has some interesting comments below it, who knows if they are factual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2trJ04SKx8&feature=related

I think anything is possible, but I never believe a word posted on youtube. There are so many lunatics that post on that site just to get a rise out of people. You never know who to believe.

MsFacetious
09-03-2010, 10:08 PM
A relative who was not identified read a poem during the service that Alicia had written entitled "Don't be sad when I die."

It starts:

"When tomorrow starts without me and I am not there to comfort you, please know that I still love you and because I know you love me too."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/03/1476920/alicia-debolt-14-remembered-as.html#ixzz0yV4I0tiV

Wait a minute...:waitasec:

I immediately recognized this poem when I saw it.

There was a 15 year old girl that was hit and killed by an SUV around Thanksgiving 2008, in New York. The girl reminded me SO much of myself at that age, that it stuck with me and I remembered her...as well as the poem posted on one of numerous memorial sites for her.

This is one of them, with the poem in the left hand side. The person is a musician but I do not know if they wrote it. I just know it's been up for several months or longer and I haven't seen it anywhere else until now. http://www.myspace.com/ripdinadelia

There is also numerous tribute videos on Youtube as well.

I guess it is possible that Dina Marie Delia (New York) and Alicia Debolt (Kansas) knew each other...or that Alicia knew Dina's friends or family. It is a small world...

I've just never seen it anywhere else. Unless it's in a book or something somewhere...or the family found it when looking for song lyrics that were similar.

That would be very creepy ...if it was written for Dina after her death and then ended up predicting Alicia's.

However, I think it's more likely the family assumed Alicia wrote it, or the reporter did. That happens quite a bit as well.

mahoneys07
09-03-2010, 10:21 PM
Courage Poem
Don't Be Sad When I Die

When tomorrow starts without me,
and I’m not there to comfort you,
please know that I still love you,
cause I know you love me too.

When tomorrow starts without me,
and you feel lost and blue,
I hope these words I’ve written
will help to see you through.

Someday your pain will ease,
sadness replaced by fond memories
Come tomorrow you will hear
I love you whispered on the breeze.

When tomorrow starts without me
cause God has called me home
I turn, blowing a kiss for thee
Sad that you may feel alone.

I will miss you tomorrow
as I take one last glimpse
a tear falls from my cheek
I’ll be going home.

And tomorrow will start without me



Source: Don't Be Sad When I Die, Courage Poems http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/life/poetry.asp?poem=22966#ixzz0yXFGcJFl

anyoldtime48
09-03-2010, 10:29 PM
I am wondering if the woman talking in Spanish to AL during news interview was possibly a sister of one of the Guys maybe IR's?!

I heard two women's voices. Not somebody who knew him, at least by name, as they had to ask him.

He opened with something to the effect that he was being interviewed about the death of Alicia. He at least speaks Spanish fairly slowly and distinctly, but I'd give myself a headache if I tried to go back and sit thru that 12 times to try to get "most" of it.

My sense was somebody from the 'hood who wanted to know what was going on, and she/they were clearly Hispanic. Or could have been reporters who speak only Spanish? Conversation was distinct enough that anybody remotely fluent could pick up the entire thing, so not like they were trying to hide anything.

He was most forthcoming. Of course, 98% of it was probably total BS. I'm sure LE has gone over every inch of that footage, and anything else the media has coughed up. Sure would love the one station that had a camera rolling that wasn't just waist down.

Off topic, but those along the Eastern seaboard, please hunker down and stay safe!

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 10:41 PM
or the following day.

Huh? He couldn't have been interviewed after he ran. Jailed. NG says he ran around 2 am. I think LE was out of his place by then, but I don't think he left or caught that ride til around 5-6. There was a video/article saying LE released him and he was home at 4. It's so confusing. That really needs clarified for our timeline. There were even people that said they saw him in it. Unless he took that duffle bag with him "to work" when he caught the ride.....he had to come back and get it.

I just signed on, so I haven't been able to go back to the 26th yet.

If I am misinterpreting your post....set me straight..;)

revampz
09-03-2010, 11:06 PM
Unfortunately I do think the scenario mentioned in the military site is close to the truth......7 guys and those guys.....has been mentioned by both her family and a close friend on facebook..........

I also think IR the 19 year old "having to find a lawyer" is involved.....

The others I think could be juvenilles or not arrested as they may have not taken part but were there......

I mentioned this before and bet they are mostly hispanic and this AL total scum of the earth was a bit of a hero to them.......him being in a tough gang and all and surviving being in a gang fight!!!

In australia we really do not understand this whole gang scenario, and I do really thank god for that......but from what I can gather it seems to be something that the local hispanic youth may inspire too!........but this AL total yuck of a human specimen took things way too far and has ruined a couple of young lives....that poor little girl...too naive at that age..

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 11:08 PM
It is my understanding that LE was at AL's house in the afternoon then came back around 9:30 pm.

So he didn't go to work that day?

hollyblue
09-03-2010, 11:16 PM
Ugh, I went and read the thread. I wish I hadn't. I am hoping that this is just a rumor that 5 men were involved. The question is WHY would they do this? How could 5 people have such evil in them?


I hope it's all just a rumor. It's called gang mentality. By themselves they may have never even of thought of actually doing it. Prolly wouldn't have. But, given it was born in the angst of a gang environment...it morphed. This is one reason gangs are so violent and dangerous and what makes our military so excellent. It's really a small part of all us, just in different forms. Like we here at WS. We are a collective group....per sa.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 01:11 AM
So he didn't go to work that day?


I think I remember they said he left work at 6 pm that Thurs, the day LE announced that the remains were Alicia. LE was at his House in the afternoon and then came back at 9-10 pm, he went willing with them and then came home at 4 am? then went on the run. I might be wrong but I think this is what happened.


The interview was after Mon because he said the Debolt Family came by to see him on Mon. so.....I think it was Thurs. News Reporters there when he came home?

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 01:24 AM
OMG I see once again I have messed up, now you can't cut and paste even if you provide the link! I give up, if it is on utube for the whole world to see this makes no sense, the posters don't even use their real names to post comments.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 01:45 AM
Another article, basically very similar umor as the Military poster.

http://conservativenewmedia.com/2010/08/28/the-media-treatment-of-the-city-of-great-bend-kansas-and-of-the-debolt-family/

zoomom
09-04-2010, 02:09 AM
OMG I see once again I have messed up, now you can't cut and paste even if you provide the link! I give up, if it is on utube for the whole world to see this makes no sense, the posters don't even use their real names to post comments.

I think and I may very well be wrong - but I think you only get to say "I found something that kinda says this" IN YOUR OWN WORDS (very important) and then provide a link to it.



Maybe if we understood what the WS concern is, we would better know what was ok to post?? And yes I've read the tos.


JMO & just tryin to help!

anyoldtime48
09-04-2010, 02:24 AM
Huh? He couldn't have been interviewed after he ran. Jailed. NG says he ran around 2 am. I think LE was out of his place by then, but I don't think he left or caught that ride til around 5-6. There was a video/article saying LE released him and he was home at 4. It's so confusing. That really needs clarified for our timeline. There were even people that said they saw him in it. Unless he took that duffle bag with him "to work" when he caught the ride.....he had to come back and get it.

I just signed on, so I haven't been able to go back to the 26th yet.

If I am misinterpreting your post....set me straight..;)

He stated in the interview that his "wife's" vehicle had been taken by LE, thus the interview was sometime after that happened, whether same day or next (I don't know when he split in relation to when they served a warrent on the SUV). Do we know for fact precisely what time/day they took the SUV? I seem to recall hearing about that before any mention they searched the house and garage.

hollyblue
09-04-2010, 04:40 AM
He stated in the interview that his "wife's" vehicle had been taken by LE, thus the interview was sometime after that happened, whether same day or next (I don't know when he split in relation to when they served a warrent on the SUV). Do we know for fact precisely what time/day they took the SUV? I seem to recall hearing about that before any mention they searched the house and garage.

We know he booked after all the searches. After 2 AM and before 8:45 AM when Venture called the theft in. I think CathDawg has it right in her post. The 2 AM and 4 AM info is what is confusing.

Now, I went back to see what time here on WS posts were made regarding AL or the search.

This first post talks about the search, but if you bring the article up...it's just a pic now. Gone. Posted at 11:38 PM on 8/26. All articles on this media's sight about search or AL is now all timed after he was caught.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010

The next post was at the same time as above. Article timed 12:03 AM from Dale Hogg of the Tribune. If you click on the link, nothing. It's gone.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010

Nothing on the late news of 8/26 regarding any interviews. My own assumption: LE/KBI had to edit them first and OK what went out.

I'll post the whole page below. Note: Last post on that page was 6angels's saying she thought they had him, but could't post because there was nothing in the MSM yet. (2 hours from the first post of search)

So if there is anything out there in MSM re: his interview before he booked, I can't find it. The interview was definitely before he did, but not released to the public until after he was caught.
JMO

Page 5 of Thread 1. Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010 - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

hollyblue
09-04-2010, 04:58 AM
Even all the tweets regarding that night are gone. Their first post about the search was 8:53 PM on 8/26.

http://twitter.com/KWCH12

We were all talking and sleuthing about TM and IR before this broke.

Poki
09-04-2010, 05:31 AM
Another article, basically very similar umor as the Military poster.

http://conservativenewmedia.com/2010/08/28/the-media-treatment-of-the-city-of-great-bend-kansas-and-of-the-debolt-family/

The following post may seem graphic and insensitive to some, but I assure you it is not intended to be either. This whole horrible event is extremely disturbing to me and I want to know what happen to this poor girl and by whose hands.


When, I first read the news Alicia had been badly burned I assumed she had been wrapped in something and set on fire after death. This, if rumours are correct, is most likely not the case. After, reading the article from the CNM, I started wondering what is an ashpalt incinerator. I never before had given thought to how asphalt stays hot from the plant to the job site. Once there a dump truck can possibly wait an hour or more to dump into the paver. Shoveling behind the paver you can feel the heat coming up from the freshly paved asphalt, it is super hot... I could not find an incinerator, but I did find a couple items of interest. This link explains it very well:

http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/08/10/how-asphalt-works/

Here are a couple of links to units used in reheating ashpalt: http://www.asphaltreheat.com/HotBoxUnits.htm and http://www.asphaltreheat.com/SeamHeaters.htm.

If this sob used any of these methods/units to bring about her death, well I just don't know...

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 05:49 AM
Thank you Poki, very helpful. It is just sickening to think that these monsters are human. I must say that I am beginning to think that it was premeditated. The time frame is fairly tight, considering that 5 were involved. AL was back at his house @1:30 am ? according to GF. I must go back and check on that time but say 2 hrs max.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 06:01 AM
FYI, more comments on (Military site)

http://www.militarysos.com/forum/news/415025-update-alicia-debolt-case-graphic-4.html

States that two confessed and that is how LE got AL.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 06:28 AM
Hello - I am mostly on WS for the Kyron Horman case, but Alicia's case has me very upset. Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I have read confusion on this thread about AL's girlfriend. Her name is withheld in this MSM article, but she is 31, and they first became acquainted online 11 months ago.

Respectfully snipped:

"The woman, who asked that her name not be used because of safety and privacy concerns, said she first became acquainted with Longoria online. For about eight months, they corresponded by written letter. She knew he was in a Texas prison."

and

"The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.

Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

I thought I read somewhere that he had lost his job that week as well? Sounds like he wasn't at Venture that long, if according to this article he just started working there the Wednesday before Alicia went missing.

I bought DidionFan's post forward for the timeline of AL Sat Eve.

anyoldtime48
09-04-2010, 07:51 AM
We know he booked after all the searches. After 2 AM and before 8:45 AM when Venture called the theft in. I think CathDawg has it right in her post. The 2 AM and 4 AM info is what is confusing.

Now, I went back to see what time here on WS posts were made regarding AL or the search.

This first post talks about the search, but if you bring the article up...it's just a pic now. Gone. Posted at 11:38 PM on 8/26. All articles on this media's sight about search or AL is now all timed after he was caught.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5558048&postcount=102)

The next post was at the same time as above. Article timed 12:03 AM from Dale Hogg of the Tribune. If you click on the link, nothing. It's gone.

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Nothing on the late news of 8/26 regarding any interviews. My own assumption: LE/KBI had to edit them first and OK what went out.

I'll post the whole page below. Note: Last post on that page was 6angels's saying she thought they had him, but could't post because there was nothing in the MSM yet. (2 hours from the first post of search)

So if there is anything out there in MSM re: his interview before he booked, I can't find it. The interview was definitely before he did, but not released to the public until after he was caught.
JMO

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Tribune changed to new web site after all those stories were posted, and ding dings didn't bring them over, which is why they are now all gone. Further annoying, they now also require login on almost all stories related to AD in order to read in their entirety, and my guess is it's "pay to play."

All I'm really after is date/time of day the SUV was searched. Interview was after that. Not that it makes a lot of difference at this point when they shot it (after the 23rd and before he was jailed). Point is he talked and talked. And brought up texts and tried to distance himself from Alicia as much as possible, while also pointing fingers elsewhere.

If he was playing gang leader and there were others involved, you can bet they aren't going to roll over on him, especially if they are MS13ers. Forensics and lots of shoe leather is going to be what takes them (or him) down.

Ping pong my lily white butt.

*~Aimee~*
09-04-2010, 08:37 AM
FYI, more comments on (Military site)

http://www.militarysos.com/forum/news/415025-update-alicia-debolt-case-graphic-4.html

States that two confessed and that is how LE got AL.

I saw this 2. I am wondering if 2 confessed then why are they not arrested? It doesn't add up? :waitasec:

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 11:51 AM
A few of my posts have disappeared in the wee hrs this am., one I wanted to have deleted as the article was too gross and was written most likely by a Troll or?

Most of the news articles have gone poof however the news clipping I posted was proof that AL did in fact call the reporters as he wanted his name 'cleared' and stated it was done earlier in the week, my guess is this interview was done Tues or Wed just after the remains were found and after the Debolt Family came to talk to him on the Mon.

Bratislava
09-04-2010, 11:55 AM
I saw this 2. I am wondering if 2 confessed then why are they not arrested? It doesn't add up? :waitasec:

I've been hoping this was not gang-related because men seem to get so much more audacity to do horrible, horrible things when in groups together, but it seems that is still quite a possibility.

The girl posting these things is probably sharing the local speculations and rumors (which may or may not be incorrect). I want to cry for this family.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 12:03 PM
Alicia Debolt's obit states she died Aug 21. I am not sure if the date represents the fact that LE knows she died then or the date is irrelevant. If it is fact then she died within 1 hr of being picked up.


Snippet from above, news article:

"The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.


The date on this seems to be off, the GF must be mistaken or the reporter is mixed up or AL told the GF he was working that Night but the plant closes at dusk and is open every other Sat., in addition this doesn't jive with his BS story of having a few over for drinks then out for dinner with GF then he went to the 'club'.

Kimster
09-04-2010, 12:33 PM
A few of my posts have disappeared in the wee hrs this am., one I wanted to have deleted as the article was too gross and was written most likely by a Troll or?

Most of the news articles have gone poof however the news clipping I posted was proof that AL did in fact call the reporters as he wanted his name 'cleared' and stated it was done earlier in the week, my guess is this interview was done Tues or Wed just after the remains were found and after the Debolt Family came to talk to him on the Mon.

Dropping by to read up on the case, but I think the problem is that there needs to be a link to MSM. :)

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Well it looks like the Military.com poster's comments have been deleted.

Portabella
09-04-2010, 01:48 PM
Yes, I went to the Military.com and they are all gone as well as the entire thread. Hmmm..... I searched in the posters name and came up with a interesting thread that was started when this all began, told me she is going off the rumors as she really did not know the facts then, was going off what her estranged father told her. You can check this by going to http://www.militarysos.com/forum/search.php?searchid=16481453&pp=25&page=4 and you can see she was ever changing her story, so not her fault but think she was acting like she knew more than she did. Or... am I just praying she did, because I hope to God AD did not die that horribly. I do find it odd that all her posts and thread are gone, wonder who made them disappear?

nobodyspecial
09-04-2010, 01:52 PM
Well it looks like the Military.com poster's comments have been deleted.

There's an earlier thread by the same poster there with a lot of wrong information in the early days of the case. I don't think that poster can be taken seriously in the slightest.

http://www.militarysos.com/forum/news/414707-11-year-old-girl-killed.html

Portabella, that's exactly what I think, too. You beat me to it. :)

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 02:03 PM
I just looked at the link I posted last Eve, and it is still on . CNA

http://conservativenewmedia.com/2010/08/28/the-media-treatment-of-the-city-of-great-bend-kansas-and-of-the-debolt-family/

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 02:10 PM
I am wondering if they went to a party in little Mexico, I googled the area and it is not far from Venture asphalt however I am not an expert , AL makes reference to Plant 5, is where her remains were found, I think hollyblue did a lot of work on this area but I can't find it, it is said that her body was placed near rocks but the video I recalled seeing looks like she was near or in the water. I am wondering how far Plant 5 is from the main plant.

I am not too sure if some of the comments made by the poster at military sos site are not true as some seem to coincide with the CNA writer.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 02:17 PM
Is Heizer Park in little Mexico? TIA

Ali.
09-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Yes, I went to the Military.com and they are all gone as well as the entire thread. Hmmm..... I searched in the posters name and came up with a interesting thread that was started when this all began, told me she is going off the rumors as she really did not know the facts then, was going off what her estranged father told her. You can check this by going to http://www.militarysos.com/forum/search.php?searchid=16481453&pp=25&page=4 and you can see she was ever changing her story, so not her fault but think she was acting like she knew more than she did. Or... am I just praying she did, because I hope to God AD did not die that horribly. I do find it odd that all her posts and thread are gone, wonder who made them disappear?
A site admin removed it. I used to frequent MSOS and posted on the thread before it was removed, letting them know that the information posted was spreading to other sites. It was removed a short time later.

If true, LE probably doesn't want that information to be public knowledge and if false it's a horrible rumor to be spreading.

DidionFan
09-04-2010, 05:40 PM
Another article, basically very similar umor as the Military poster.

http://conservativenewmedia.com/2010/08/28/the-media-treatment-of-the-city-of-great-bend-kansas-and-of-the-debolt-family/

I had seen both of these (above link, and the military blog/forum posting) but was uncertain about posting, as its not info that's been released in the mainstream media....I really do not want to put my head around this information because I am praying that it is not true. However, there is so much shock and disgust and references to a group of people involved in Alicia's death on facebook, comments on news articles, and blogs, I am inclined to think that it is a possibility.

Question for the sleuthers, and I think it has been asked by other posters here: if such a heinous act was committed by a group, would LE really grant immunity to the 2 parties who came forward? I understand doing anything one can to bring all involved to justice, but we are still only hearing about AL, and it seems by now there would have been at least a public investigative effort to get a hold of the other parties. Since there is no word from LE about others involved, I am hoping this means that AL acted alone....

Thoughts?

hollyblue
09-04-2010, 05:41 PM
A few of my posts have disappeared in the wee hrs this am., one I wanted to have deleted as the article was too gross and was written most likely by a Troll or?

Most of the news articles have gone poof however the news clipping I posted was proof that AL did in fact call the reporters as he wanted his name 'cleared' and stated it was done earlier in the week, my guess is this interview was done Tues or Wed just after the remains were found and after the Debolt Family came to talk to him on the Mon.

This is what I was trying to bring forward in my post cathdawg. MANY of the articles have been zapped, and not by just one media organization. Even the tweets have been deleted....or not accessable any longer and they all had to do with AL and seems to have started after he was caught. I noticed something was "funny" because the interviews of him were not aired until after his capture. Almost 24 hours later. Not normal for a news agency to hold their stories that long. imo

Alicia Debolt's obit states she died Aug 21. I am not sure if the date represents the fact that LE knows she died then or the date is irrelevant. If it is fact then she died within 1 hr of being picked up.


Snippet from above, news article:

"The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.


The date on this seems to be off, the GF must be mistaken or the reporter is mixed up or AL told the GF he was working that Night but the plant closes at dusk and is open every other Sat., in addition this doesn't jive with his BS story of having a few over for drinks then out for dinner with GF then he went to the 'club'.

He worked that Saturday. Prolly got off at 6 PM and then .....if you believe what he says, they went bowling, out to eat and then he went out to the club. I don't find it unusal that he would be dirty, at all, considering the work. What I do find interesting is that he stated in one of his interviews that he did not work at that location; yet the reporter is saying the girlfriend said he did. ???

Dropping by to read up on the case, but I think the problem is that there needs to be a link to MSM. :)

We can prolly provide the link, but the link now leads to nowhere. Zapped!

hollyblue
09-04-2010, 05:57 PM
I am wondering if they went to a party in little Mexico, I googled the area and it is not far from Venture asphalt however I am not an expert , AL makes reference to Plant 5, is where her remains were found, I think hollyblue did a lot of work on this area but I can't find it, it is said that her body was placed near rocks but the video I recalled seeing looks like she was near or in the water. I am wondering how far Plant 5 is from the main plant.

I am not too sure if some of the comments made by the poster at military sos site are not true as some seem to coincide with the CNA writer.

Is Heizer Park in little Mexico? TIA

Little Mexico is south...southeast of the park. Per comments made on a local media output...around 2nd & 3rd St. Doing a little "driving" tour on google maps I did find a business with a Spanish name, but not sure what kind...and it was on 7th St next to the RR tracks.

I moved the location of Venture's office, per another media article stating it was indeed south of GB and where he had stolen the Explorer. The 2nd St. location was a google glitch I think. Hwy 281 becomes just a normal street right around where it intersects with 2nd St.

I had ask the "locals" here twice if they could clarify and let us know how many locations Venture had, but got no response, so I went by what I had picked up in the media.

Here's a link to the map again. You can use it as a regular map and key in the destinations (addresses) of both locations to find approx. how far they are apart. Hope that helps.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.872859,-97.667942&spn=0.065085,0.109863&z=13

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 06:00 PM
Many thanks hollyblue, I knew you you did a lot of work on the situ.

cathdawg
09-04-2010, 06:11 PM
AL sure knew all about Plant 5, and it must be near a body of water.

AL was sure busy when he came home from work, drinks with buds, bowling, dinner with GF, the club and @ 11 pm went out again only to return home at 12:30 - 1 am according to GF.

hollyblue
09-04-2010, 06:23 PM
I had seen both of these (above link, and the military blog/forum posting) but was uncertain about posting, as its not info that's been released in the mainstream media....I really do not want to put my head around this information because I am praying that it is not true. However, there is so much shock and disgust and references to a group of people involved in Alicia's death on facebook, comments on news articles, and blogs, I am inclined to think that it is a possibility.

Question for the sleuthers, and I think it has been asked by other posters here: if such a heinous act was committed by a group, would LE really grant immunity to the 2 parties who came forward? I understand doing anything one can to bring all involved to justice, but we are still only hearing about AL, and it seems by now there would have been at least a public investigative effort to get a hold of the other parties. Since there is no word from LE about others involved, I am hoping this means that AL acted alone....

Thoughts?

Let's not forget that MSM does make mistakes too; not only NG and bloggers, etc. Saying that, I think what we have gleaned from the local news agencies in this case has been spot on. I just find it strange that many reports are now gone, and not just the one (Trib) changing their web page. I think they are working closely w/LE on this one to get the monster(s) who did this atrocious killing of a young teen girl.

The sister stated on her FB, in the wee hours of 8/26, that the remains had been confirmed as Alicia's. Hours before the PC by the AG. The site was made private shortly thereafter.

Seems to me LE/KBI are keeping this pretty close to the vest and not releasing too much about their investigation...other than it's moving forward and they are still asking for "tips".

As far as immunity for "snitching", I'm not too knowledgeable in deals, etc. or giving lesser sentences for it. Seems procecution gives a hefty charge and then the defendent cops a plea for a lesser charge in many of the cases. imo.

Portabella
09-04-2010, 10:19 PM
I know that at times if someone comes forward, they don't get immunity, but they do get a lesser sentence. However I don't believe they would NOT be out walking the streets, they would also be being held on charges. But AL is not charged yet so who knows. If the two came forward however they could be charged and held in another county as an "out of county" inmate for LE to keep it on the downlow, we have done that before in our county. But for the media not to have gotten it yet they would have to have done this in a very very secretive manner, and part of the deal would have to be for them to not tell anyone what they are in for. Because if they told just one inmate, they would tell their family and it would hit the media. So, find that hard to believe. I too am curious and trying to piece it together.

cathdawg
09-05-2010, 12:22 AM
Is it me Folks, but it seems since AL is in Custody the Posters on this site have been diminishing, please come back, all feed back is so.. important to capture these Evil Beings, come on, we need a threefold you brainiacs, also calling all Locals...THX


R.I.P. A.D.D.

Portabella
09-05-2010, 02:04 AM
http://www.greatbend.org/featured_venture.cfm

Venture has four plants.... found this, very informative actually...

If they were there but did not take part, they would still face charges, maybe lesser but charges none the less. If juvies they would still be charged, and in Colorado its 18 also, unless being charged as an adult, but this is rare and only under extreme circumstances.

cathdawg
09-05-2010, 02:07 AM
I believe the legal age is 18 yrs old in Kansas.

cathdawg
09-05-2010, 02:10 AM
http://www.greatbend.org/featured_venture.cfm

Venture has four plants.... found this, very informative actually...

If they were there but did not take part, they would still face charges, maybe lesser but charges none the less. If juvies they would still be charged, and in Colorado its 18 also, unless being charged as an adult, but this is rare and only under extreme circumstances.

Thank you , very informative!

MsFacetious
09-05-2010, 02:28 AM
Alicia Debolt's obit states she died Aug 21. I am not sure if the date represents the fact that LE knows she died then or the date is irrelevant. If it is fact then she died within 1 hr of being picked up.


sbm

Not sure if it's relevant... but when my cousin was murdered she went missing in the middle of the day on the 5th and was found in the middle of the day on the 7th, dumped after having been murdered elsewhere.

It was determined that she had died 24-48 hours before she was found...which put her death on either the 5th OR the 6th, within an hour-24 hours after being abducted.

My family put in her obituary that she was found dead on the 6th. I'm still not sure if that was intentional, picking the day in between and just badly worded...or simply a bad communication somewhere since they were in a different state. :waitasec:

Assuming Alicia was dead quickly...it would mean less time for her to have suffered...it would be a lot easier to believe she was dead before she was reported missing. Less suffering and no chance anything could have saved her.

MsFacetious
09-05-2010, 02:30 AM
When a link comes up with *********** I believe it means it is a banned link at Websleuths. That for whatever reason the site is not permitted to be posted here.

That is my understanding.

Portabella
09-05-2010, 02:37 AM
http://www.astecinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=345&Itemid=278

Trying to find out if its even feasible.

Soul125
09-05-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.astecinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=345&Itemid=278

Trying to find out if its even feasible.

I would think it is possible, but not likely I hope. To cremate a body you need temps in the 1400° to 2100F range. I read that these aggregate dryer and soil incinerations can reach temps of 1400-1600F. But I don't know if this plant site has an incinerator. Can't tell from the video. I hope they don't.

amysmom
09-05-2010, 01:18 PM
Is it me Folks, but it seems since AL is in Custody the Posters on this site have been diminishing, please come back, all feed back is so.. important to capture these Evil Beings, come on, we need a threefold you brainiacs, also calling all Locals...THX

R.I.P. A.D.D.

I'm no "brainiac" or "local" but def want these "Evil Beings" caught as bad as anyone..Except for her family that has to live every minute of the day with unimaginable grief that their loved one is gone & that she was brutalized in the worst possible way..I honestly don't think I could handle it :(

Once LE announces a POI (& then give very little info) posters tend to move on to the next horrific case..That's probably what's happening now but I do agree this case is far from solved even with AL in custody & I know all agree Alicia (& her family) must get the justice she deserves..Whatever it takes!

westsidefox64
09-05-2010, 01:25 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/05/1479214/remains-of-a-body-with-or-without.html


Reassuring!

MsFacetious
09-05-2010, 02:46 PM
If they used an incinerator then why would her body have been found at all? Why wouldn't it have been completely cremated? How would you move a partially cremated body back out of an incinerator to dump it outside?

I don't think that is the scenario. I think they simply lit the body on fire to cover up the crime, just like many other criminals have done. They were just more successful than some others.

amysmom
09-05-2010, 02:48 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/05/1479214/remains-of-a-body-with-or-without.html


Reassuring!

And AMAZING!

From the mass of ashes and fragments, he found things besides bones: An eyeglass stem. Bottle caps. Part of a disposable lighter. Shoe staples. A metal piercing. Computer wire. Metal pliers. A box knife. A cleaver. A saw blade. And charred but still partly readable bits of various publications, including a Spanish-language newspaper and an anatomy journal or magazine.
Some of the bones he found showed marks and cuts that appeared to be made by the various tools found charred in the pit.
He could tell that the bone fragments belonged to someone who was old enough to no longer have growth plates between bones.
He could tell by the size and shape of some bones that the victims were men.
"You build a puzzle," he said.
He reconstructed parts of three male skulls. It took months.
One skull showed a bullet hole.
Some of the bones had brown stains. Moore-Jansen concluded that the stains marked where computer wire had been wrapped around some body parts.

hollyblue
09-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Yes, any link that shows up with ********** is a prohibited link....for whatever reason.

hollyblue
09-05-2010, 04:49 PM
cathdawg, I did find and see the pics you were talking about. Don't know what that "tank" was, (propane? heater?) but the others may have been pics from the web of buildings, etc from around GB. I know the cabin may be the first settlement there. I ran across it in a search, but not sure if the exact one. Thx.

dr dona
09-05-2010, 05:31 PM
I haven't deserted Alicia...I still am just so stunned over this case that i'm speechless. I just can't wrap my brain around what this poor child went thru. To Alicia's family- I think about you every day and pray for justice for your sweet girl!!!

wasnt_me
09-05-2010, 08:44 PM
That would be great wasnt_me!! \You could create the transcription in google docs and then just post the link here. It's really simple. Here's the link. You have to create an a/c, but can use the same a/c to do other features it provides also. Here's link:

https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=writely&passive=1209600&continue=http://docs.google.com/&followup=http://docs.google.com/&ltmpl=homepage

Cool. that's right up my alley. I think it's good to do because I go look at old articles on cases and the links are gone and the videos are gone. It's annoying. So I'll do the transcription.

Okay...now I gotta find all the video links again! LOL...

hoppyfrog
09-05-2010, 08:54 PM
If a post is deleted, the mods try to send you a note about it. But sometimes they are too busy. If you have a question about it, PM a mod. I don't have the answer to your questions, unfortunately, because I am not the one who deleted them.

Please remember that it is against TOS to discuss moderation on a thread. If you have a question, just PM a mod. We are actual real people who are pretty nice and who will not bite off anyone's head. Promise.

And no one gets banned unless they are a troll or break TOS repeatedly and intentionally. Truly, that shouldn't worry you at all.

If you are unsure if you should post something or not, PM one of us. We'll get back to you asap.

Thanks,

Hoppy
mod and just a normal soccer mom

cathdawg
09-05-2010, 11:40 PM
Well, perhaps this site is just too rigid and drives Folks away, I have read the TOS but..... I am still unsure, it is not all black and white since most of the news links have gone on this case so how the heck do you link the site? When I finally found a news article I was looking for from the internet I posted it, it stated the name of the news station and yes, I am guilty of cut/pasting it however my post was deleted.

wasnt_me
09-06-2010, 01:07 AM
Here it is. The transcribed interview. It's rough. I just did it without editing it, though even if I edit, he talks in run-on's so....
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

I'll edit it over the next few days, then I'll open it for others to edit, once I have it down right, uusing the commas and dashes expressing how he actually spoke. I believe 100% of the dialouge is exactly right at this point, so I wanted to go ahead and post it, because it's VERY interesting once you slowly read it, versus listening to him talk so quickly.

wasnt_me
09-06-2010, 01:30 AM
This interview's bringing too many questions for me, all of which lead to me thinking he did it.

But first, what of this red car he talked about in the beginning?

It seems that he was saying that he met the 19 year old at the same time he met AD, at the birthday party, but then he says "saturday" was the first night that the 19 year old ever came to his house? I'm confused about that, as well as why he said the 19 year old was at his house,even at his house the Saturday that AD went missing, because I thought he said he was bowling?

I guess his story later changed to him having the party after all?

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

CementPond
09-06-2010, 01:30 AM
Just now getting into this case but want to say....YEAH RIGHT! Does AL seriously expect us to believe that he only met and had contact with AD once at his wife's party? And yet she somehow got his number and would call and ask him for rides and favors? Yeah right! Who would call a total stranger for such things? Who would call someone they only met ONCE for such things? I don't think so.

I believe she hung around that house for whatever reason (with him through her (ex)boyfriend/friend(s)....or because she was friends with his wife's kid(s)....or something) and he is trying to minimize their relationship (friend or otherwise) for some reason. But, if he were innocent there really would be no reason to do such a thing. If he were innocent he should be able to say, for example, "Yeah. She used to come around my house with so and so. He and I were friends and she used to come with him a lot." Why all the lying? JMO

hollyblue
09-06-2010, 01:33 AM
Here it is. The transcribed interview. It's rough. I just did it without editing it, though even if I edit, he talks in run-on's so....
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

I'll edit it over the next few days, then I'll open it for others to edit, once I have it down right, uusing the commas and dashes expressing how he actually spoke. I believe 100% of the dialouge is exactly right at this point, so I wanted to go ahead and post it, because it's VERY interesting once you slowly read it, versus listening to him talk so quickly.

I did this for the Mitrice Richardson case (audio), and yes, you can get so much more from the written word and since things have a way of disappearing all over the place in this case, it's now in print.

Thanks wasnt_me, now for us all to pick apart. I already see some very interesting statements, that I hadn't "caught" previously.

hollyblue
09-06-2010, 01:36 AM
This interview's bringing too many questions for me, all of which lead to me thinking he did it.

But first, what of this red car he talked about in the beginning?

It seems that he was saying that he met the 19 year old at the same time he met AD, at the birthday party, but then he says "saturday" was the first night that the 19 year old ever came to his house? I'm confused about that, as well as why he said the 19 year old was at his house,even at his house the Saturday that AD went missing, because I thought he said he was bowling?

I guess his story later changed to him having the party after all?

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

Yep, that was the first thing I caught. The "Saturday". The red Charger I bet is IR's? or
"the 19 yr old".

hollyblue
09-06-2010, 01:44 AM
This interview's bringing too many questions for me, all of which lead to me thinking he did it.

But first, what of this red car he talked about in the beginning?

It seems that he was saying that he met the 19 year old at the same time he met AD, at the birthday party, but then he says "saturday" was the first night that the 19 year old ever came to his house? I'm confused about that, as well as why he said the 19 year old was at his house,even at his house the Saturday that AD went missing, because I thought he said he was bowling?

I guess his story later changed to him having the party after all?

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

I don't think the gf was with him when he went to the club. I think he went alone or with "other" buds or met them there and they all came back to his house for the party. Maybe this was when Alicia was picked up?
I have to find where Willy J's is again. BBL.

wasnt_me
09-06-2010, 01:52 AM
Yeah, Holly, but what about when the crazy neighbor said he saw AD at AL's garage?

I see that he explained thos text messages we'd been talking about, but do you notice how he answers questions? It's as if he's been interrogated so much that he stands there and explains stuff away before the question can be asked. For example, when they asked about the car, see how he explained where he was and what he was doing, then he goes, "after I left the club, the car went back with me." Who thinks to say that? Only someone who KNOWS the cops will ask "How did you get home?" or "where was the vehicle when you left?"

See, I NEVER would have thought to add that sentence onto the end of my explanation. But you'll notice that he does that A LOT during the whole interview. It's fascinating to see a criminal mind at work.

Interview we're talking about:

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

I feel like I gotta keep adding the link so it doesn't get lost in the sea of posts.

wasnt_me
09-06-2010, 01:59 AM
I'm trying to understand all the people and places he's putting AD with.

According to AL, AD was

1. with the 19 year old
2. in Little Mexico
3. at the sweet 15 party with 2 other dudes.

He's blaming

1. the 19 year old
2. some nervous guy who wants $2,000
3. the gangs of great bend
4. 2 hispanic males at the sweet 15 party.

BUT AL:

1. only met AD once
2. hardly knew the 19 year old (who he sometimes saw in the park and in cars? sounds oh, so shady)
3. Only went to the Plant 5 once. (can we guess when that was???)
4. Never had parties, but had parties???
5. Went bowling, to dinner, to the club, but also saw the 19 year old that night.

(I believe in another interview, he does mention the party or texting AD. So I have to transcribe that next.)

And, too, if his lawyer told him not to talk about $2,000 man, why is he doing it? I'll tell you why, because he wants the police to start asking about the guy.

His quote of the whole interview had to be, "because if you’re not innocent, what have you got to hide?"

westsidefox64
09-06-2010, 02:20 AM
Yep, that was the first thing I caught. The "Saturday". The red Charger I bet is IR's? or
"the 19 yr old".

has anyone read anywhere or heard anywhere else about the red charger? Is it just something AL came up with to throw the cops off of his GFs vehcle? I think this is the only place ive heard of it.

hollyblue
09-06-2010, 02:24 AM
Yeah, Holly, but what about when the crazy neighbor said he saw AD at AL's garage?

I see that he explained thos text messages we'd been talking about, but do you notice how he answers questions? It's as if he's been interrogated so much that he stands there and explains stuff away before the question can be asked. For example, when they asked about the car, see how he explained where he was and what he was doing, then he goes, "after I left the club, the car went back with me." Who thinks to say that? Only someone who KNOWS the cops will ask "How did you get home?" or "where was the vehicle when you left?"

See, I NEVER would have thought to add that sentence onto the end of my explanation. But you'll notice that he does that A LOT during the whole interview. It's fascinating to see a criminal mind at work.

Interview we're talking about:

https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1Y3NTezQOm6EsjjgYwagkQSzcao4iP7VaWBziS6aWQ f0&hl=en

I feel like I gotta keep adding the link so it doesn't get lost in the sea of posts.

I'm trying to fine tune the timeline by the neighbor's comment and what we have gathered. The only thing about the neighbor is, the two interviews. One he thought he saw AD there and second interview he says he was introduced to her. So ???? don't know what to think there....delusional, factual or editing? Wish the reporters would start asking about times!!!

I agree with what your saying, he's been this route before and now just trying to jump the gun before hand. I'm sure, since the video, he has been interogated out the ying yang numerous times and the pros are just sopping it up. Maybe he was just trying to test the waters to see if his story had any "umph" and decided he blew it and booked.....or probably they found something key in the search or just the gf leaving? Many questions. Was she even there for the search? Dont' recall.

You can attach the link to your signature or bring it forward at the start of a new thread and then about halfway thru --15th page bring it forward. That's what I do with the map. I bookmark to favorites a lot so I don't have to ask for it again or do a search. :)

westsidefox64
09-06-2010, 02:25 AM
I don't think the gf was with him when he went to the club. I think he went alone or with "other" buds or met them there and they all came back to his house for the party. Maybe this was when Alicia was picked up?
I have to find where Willy J's is again. BBL.

Maybe im missing something but didnt the bartender at Willy Js say the police showed him pictures and all BUT AL had been there saturday night?