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Salem
08-29-2010, 02:21 PM
Please continue here.

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Salem

And a Message from our wonderful Mod - Hoppyfrog!

Heads up, dear posters!

If you are a new poster, you must read the TOS before you post.

Part of the TOS is that there is to be no baiting. Baiting is when you post something like, "I know something but I'm not going to post it." Creates too much drama on a thread.

Another part of TOS is that posting rumors is a no-no.

And if you post that you read somewhere that X happened or you read somewhere that so and so said X, you must post a link.

If you are an experienced poster, please give me a hand by hitting the alert buton when the need arises.

I will be in and out of the thread today (I'm busy freezing sweet corn, and making and freezing marinara sauce, plus trying to sweep all of DS13's sleepover buddies out of the house!).

Thanks for caring so much about justice for Alicia. I really mean that!

And to our new posters a big WS :Welcome-12-june:

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hoppyfrog
08-29-2010, 02:55 PM
Just need to further clarify things.

There is still a lot of confusion about sleuthing Ivan Ramirez because at one point there appeared to be an Ivan Ramirez and an Ivan Rodriquez. I posted that it was OK to sleuth Ivan Rodriquez but not Ivan Ramirez.

Now it turns out there is no Ivan Rodriquez. There is only an Ivan Ramirez.

It is OK to sleuth Ivan Ramirez and use his full name because he has posted on his FB that he is going to need a lawyer.

He might be the Ivan Ramirez mentioned by "Emily" in the comments following NG's blog, but we just don't know.

I went back to the previous thread and made edits, undeleted posts, etc. to reflect all this so that there is no more confusion. hth

OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming. (And many thanks to Patty G for helping me sort this out!)

Hoppy

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 03:08 PM
Okay thanks, I am terrified to post, I have found something on Alicias siters FB that I found interesting and now I am so confused I do not know what to do. #1 can I link her FB? #2 can I link the post that I am referring to? TIA

mahoneys07
08-29-2010, 03:20 PM
One other person was arrested on Thursday. Ivan Ramirez, one of the suspects who allegedly wielded a baseball bat, was picked up at a soccer game at Cavanaugh Field. Ivan Ramirez is not related to Anthony Ramirez and was on the other side of the altercation, Smith said. Ivan Ramirez was booked on a charge of aggravated battery. His bond was set at $20,000.

http://www.gbtribune.com/news.php?id=2038

Bring this from thread 1

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 03:26 PM
Okay thanks, I am terrified to post, I have found something on Alicias siters FB that I found interesting and now I am so confused I do not know what to do. #1 can I link her FB? #2 can I link the post that I am referring to? TIA

I think everyone is.

Bringing map over:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.872859,-97.667942&spn=0.065085,0.109863&z=13

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 03:36 PM
Dawn DeBolt We miss u my sweet baby sis! I cannt begin to express the nausatating feeling we all have for what these men did to u. U will see tonight all the people who love u. Life will never be the same w/ ur laugh, ur smile, or those beautiful baby blues. U were so beautiful in and out. World was beTter place w/ u on it. Miss u and love u always.

This comment on Alicia's sis-in-laws FB makes one think that there are more Men involved with this Murder.

LINK http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wall

hoppyfrog
08-29-2010, 04:14 PM
No! No! Don't be afraid to post! Please!

We do have to stay away from posting things from Alicia's sister's FB if the sister is a minor.

Again, I apologize for the confusion about the whole IR thing.

And we love having new posters at WS. We pride ourselves on running a site here that is fair and accurate. That's why we have TOS and expect our posters to follow it. Makes this a safe and good place to post.

If you want to run anything by me before you post it, shoot me a PM.

Hoppy

hoppyfrog
08-29-2010, 04:15 PM
Okay thanks, I am terrified to post, I have found something on Alicias siters FB that I found interesting and now I am so confused I do not know what to do. #1 can I link her FB? #2 can I link the post that I am referring to? TIA

You can do both if the sister is not a minor.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 04:16 PM
Bringing my question for the "locals" over:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010




Also bringing over relevant posts or info:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall&ref=ts

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-rmj-missing-teen-great-bend,0,1929688.story
Police have questioned a 19-year-old, but aren't saying if that's the same person who picked Alicia up from her home Saturday night. He says he was not with her Saturday - and hadn't seen her since the previous Wednesday.

Here's your article you were looking for Kat. TM or IR????

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Bend-Kansas/105527356148480?v=stream

http://www.gbtribune.com/news.php?id=2038

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/24/where-is-alicia-debolt/

ksnurse
08-29-2010, 04:18 PM
Alicia's sister is not a minor. Can I post a link to her FB?

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 04:25 PM
I'm posting this link. It's a MS page and shows Alicia did have a relationship with him. He's 19. Mod, if this is inappropriate, plz let me know.

http://www.myspace.com/badluck16

ETA: It is amazing how much his sister looks like Alicia.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 04:28 PM
Alicia's sister is not a minor. Can I post a link to her FB?

See post #8.

ksnurse
08-29-2010, 04:30 PM
Alicia's sister's FB

http://www.facebook.com/search/?post_form_id=52530220b89910a091932e6e42b35cbe&q=&init=quick&sid=0.504448621541768#!/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wall&ref=sgm

Patty G
08-29-2010, 04:43 PM
I'm posting this link. It's a MS page and shows Alicia did have a relationship with him. He's 19. Mod, if this is inappropriate, plz let me know.

http://www.myspace.com/badluck16

ETA: It is amazing how much his sister looks like Alicia.

Whose MS page does this belong to?

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 05:06 PM
Whose MS page does this belong to?

A friend or boyfriend of AD's. I won't mention his name...not sure we can. But, the posts by AD show she did have a relationship with him and he is 19.

Patty G
08-29-2010, 05:14 PM
A friend or boyfriend of AD's. I won't mention his name...not sure we can. But, the posts by AD show she did have a relationship with him and he is 19.



Does it belong to Ivan Ramirez or someone else? I am just trying to figure out who this belongs to.

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 05:21 PM
Just to let you know I think this FB is Alicias SISTER IN LAW , DAWN and she has used Alicia's Pic as her profile pic. Alicia's sister is Holly but now I am mixed up!

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 05:23 PM
Does it belong to Ivan Ramirez or someone else? I am just trying to figure out who this belongs to.



Not IR, this guy is Caucasian. I found it while sleuthing the victim. Initials are TM.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 05:28 PM
Just to let you know the FB is Alicias SISTER IN LAW and she has used Alicia's Pic as her profile pic. Alicia's sister is Holly.

It's confusing cathdawg, because of the marriage. I truly think her sister is Dawn and Dawn's partner is Holly. It's on the FB. Look under INFO Sleuthing the parents, AD has older sister, Dawn, 28 and brother who is 24. Brother is new father and engaged.

ETA: I think the mother was just recently married to Conrad. I found most info by the name Debolt.

All IMO.

zoomom
08-29-2010, 05:34 PM
It's confusing, cathdawg because of the marriage. I truly think her sister is Dawn and Dawn's partner is Holly. It's on the FB. Look under INFO Sleuthing the parents, AD has older sister, Dawn, 28 and brother who is 24. Brother is new father and engaged.



ok. Now I'm really confused!!! :crazy:

it's ok, tho, I'll figure it out.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 05:39 PM
Just noticed this.....look at her age per her MS page. 16?

http://www.myspace.com/449665572

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 05:51 PM
LOL, it is confusing, when I saw on Dawn's info on FB she has broken up with Husband and is now with Holly Debolt. so...I suppose Holly took Dawn's Last Name.

This comment on Dawn's FB confirmed that this is the case.

Dawn DeBolt via Great Bend Tribune: To all of you out there that is talking about my mother in law just
need to stop, please!! She knows she did wrong and this is not the time
to point fingers. Alicia is a normal kid who makes bad judgments at
times, but to error is human. She wasn't going to a huge party, it was a
small get together that she considers a... party. She told her mom who she
was going with and what time she was going to be back. We just got back
from shopping all day and she was a little tired. Her curfew is at mid
night and she planned to be back by then. Alicia is really good about
calling and telling her mom that she may be a few minutes late. So
please if you don't have nothing nice to say please don't say anything
at all. We are going through enough right now and are trying to stay a
positive as possible. Just keep her in your prayers. Thank you, Holly
DeBolt sister-in-lawP.S. We love you Alicia and your nieces really want their auntie Alicia home safe.

HOWEVER BELOW HOLLY STATES SHE USED DAWN'S FB TO COMMENT.


LINK: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wall&ref=sgm

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
I think I have it right now!

Dawn is sister of Alicia's

Holly is now Dawn's partner

Dawn has used Alicia's Pic as her Profile Pic.

daisy.faithfull
08-29-2010, 05:56 PM
Just noticed this.....look at her age per her MS page. 16?

http://www.myspace.com/449665572

Oh, no :(

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 05:56 PM
LOL, it is confusing, when I saw on Dawn's info on FB she has broken up with Husband and is now with Holly Debolt. so...I suppose Holly took Dawn's Last Name.

This comment on Dawn's FB confirmed that this is the case.

Dawn DeBolt via Great Bend Tribune: To all of you out there that is talking about my mother in law just
need to stop, please!! She knows she did wrong and this is not the time
to point fingers. Alicia is a normal kid who makes bad judgments at
times, but to error is human. She wasn't going to a huge party, it was a
small get together that she considers a... party. She told her mom who she
was going with and what time she was going to be back. We just got back
from shopping all day and she was a little tired. Her curfew is at mid
night and she planned to be back by then. Alicia is really good about
calling and telling her mom that she may be a few minutes late. So
please if you don't have nothing nice to say please don't say anything
at all. We are going through enough right now and are trying to stay a
positive as possible. Just keep her in your prayers. Thank you, Holly
DeBolt sister-in-lawP.S. We love you Alicia and your nieces really want their auntie Alicia home safe.

HOWEVER BELOW HOLLY STATES SHE USED DAWN'S FB TO COMMENT.

I remember that. Maybe it's all BS, IDK???? PS...I'd add link to that...just sayin... Here is her brother's site:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001236047277&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100001236047277&v=wall

zoomom
08-29-2010, 05:59 PM
LOL, it is confusing, when I saw on Dawn's info on FB she has broken up with Husband and is now with Holly Debolt. so...I suppose Holly took Dawn's Last Name.

This comment on Dawn's FB confirmed that this is the case.

Dawn DeBolt via Great Bend Tribune: To all of you out there that is talking about my mother in law just
need to stop, please!! She knows she did wrong and this is not the time
to point fingers. Alicia is a normal kid who makes bad judgments at
times, but to error is human. She wasn't going to a huge party, it was a
small get together that she considers a... party. She told her mom who she
was going with and what time she was going to be back. We just got back
from shopping all day and she was a little tired. Her curfew is at mid
night and she planned to be back by then. Alicia is really good about
calling and telling her mom that she may be a few minutes late. So
please if you don't have nothing nice to say please don't say anything
at all. We are going through enough right now and are trying to stay a
positive as possible. Just keep her in your prayers. Thank you, Holly
DeBolt sister-in-lawP.S. We love you Alicia and your nieces really want their auntie Alicia home safe.

HOWEVER BELOW HOLLY STATES SHE USED DAWN'S FB TO COMMENT.

BBM

Ok - so Holly is the one referring to AD's mom as "mother-in-law"?? (Not Dawn)?

ETA: and Dawn is AD's older sister? or was she married to AD's Brother for 4 years and therefore a former sis-in-law?

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 06:02 PM
Thanks hollyblue. The FB age is a tad disturbing , did she want Folks to think she was older or is it because FB has cracked down with under age Kids using FB?

Also I notice that the 19 yr old 's name was deleted from Dawn/Holly's post.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 06:36 PM
Bringing this over from the 1st thread. Mother's MS. Confirms she has a new daughter. There is pic of DD under Family in the album. She is the one holding the baby.

http://www.myspace.com/tammydeb

anyoldtime48
08-29-2010, 07:11 PM
Just noticed this.....look at her age per her MS page. 16?

http://www.myspace.com/449665572

It's been listed that way since first time I found it. Apparently from early posts, it was not private before she was discovered deceased?

SOP for kids on networking sites to fudge on their ages. Not remotely surprising at this juncture since she hung out with (known) 19YOs.

Have seen a lot of adults fudge as well, although the older they get, the younger they get.

Am I the only one who doctored a driver's license way back when to reflect 19 instead of 17? 1970s version of myspace and facebook, with the exception it could get you into bars in some states.

One reason I applaud parents who get in their kid's faces and KNOW what they are posting online, who they are hanging out with, etc. At least there is slightly better chance they will be around at 50 to still hate you for it.

MOO

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 07:25 PM
Boy, Alicia's Brother seemed to be so depressed and this was before the Alicia tragedy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001236047277&v=wall

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 07:30 PM
Based on comments Dawn has posted and her blurb on her FB below pic, there appears to be more people involved with her murder.

"My name is Dawn DeBolt. My beautiful baby sister just was killed by some *******s who don't care about anything. we will find all of u!!!! We have the world on our side."

Post Again:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wa

AND HER POST:

We miss u my sweet baby sis! I cannt begin to express the nausatating feeling we all have for what these men did to u. U will see tonight all the people who love u. Life will never be the same w/ ur laugh, ur smile, or those beautiful baby blues. U were so beautiful in and out. World was beTter place w/ u on it. Miss u and love u always.

THESE MEN! THESE ASS#OLES! So, I wonder if these men were attending the Party at AL's

sherbetjello
08-29-2010, 07:36 PM
for any locals still with us, are there gangs out there in Great Bend?

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 07:45 PM
Hi sherbet, I wish the local folks came back, the poster last night said yes there were gangs however the Cops won't admit it , drug problems etc.

sherbetjello
08-29-2010, 07:51 PM
Hi sherbet, I wish the local folks came back, the poster last night said yes there were gangs however the Cops won't admit it , drug problems etc.

Thanks for reminding me of this post!

Yeah, there are many, many, many drug/alcohol problems out there (trying hard not to throw stones here.)

Years ago I wanted to be a social worker, so my heart really bleeds for this community right now. Frustrating.

sherbetjello
08-29-2010, 08:14 PM
Just a tip: If you come across FB pages that direct anger/hate/or target the family of a child/teen that has become "victim of bad parenting" please report the page for "Targeting me or a friend" as that is against FB TOS. I see crops of them popping up, so if we band together we might be able to shut them down before they grow.

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 08:30 PM
Another FB site for Alicia.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Alicia-DeBolt/134030489975426#!/pages/In-Loving-Memory-of-Alicia-DeBolt/134030489975426?v=wall

hollyblue
08-29-2010, 08:47 PM
Vigil info. Funeral arrangements are on hold.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101748323.html

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Alicia's Mom's blurb on MS

snippet:

My baby girl which is 13 and not a baby at all but still my baby is very challaging for her age and keeps me on my toes.

Read more: http://www.myspace.com/tammydeb#ixzz0y2wZKqPB

cathdawg
08-29-2010, 09:02 PM
I am not exactly sure why the Funeral is on hold but my guess is if there are more people involved in her murder than more DNA will need to be compared also they will have to obtain the DNA from the Perps. Just a guess.

TXHOPE
08-29-2010, 09:27 PM
Alicia's Mom's blurb on MS

snippet:

My baby girl which is 13 and not a baby at all but still my baby is very challaging for her age and keeps me on my toes.

Read more: http://www.myspace.com/tammydeb#ixzz0y2wZKqPB

Sounds like Alicia was very mature for her age. Alicia's comments, some of her friends and pictures makes me forget that she was only 14! I was the same way at her age. Like alot of teenage girls, I wanted so badly to be older and I was very disrespectful to my mother at times and her rules. Sometimes my mother would just give up. She didn't have the energy to fight for hours so she would say things like, "fine, you can go, just be back in an hour". That's how envision Alicia's mothers situation. It was a poor choice on her part and a choice she is going to have to live with. I think that guilt is more than enough punishment. I hate that people are bashing her at a time like this when she is experiencing such great loss. I'm sure she keeps replaying that night in her head, wishing for another chance.

I Din Doot
08-29-2010, 09:59 PM
IMO

I raised two daughters. Both still alive One an angel the other sneaked out the window.
The sneaker intimidated the angel, not to lie, BUT TO WITHHOLD
.
IMO this is the case... Someone knows and is withholding

Soul125
08-29-2010, 10:16 PM
IMO

I raised two daughters. Both still alive One an angel the other sneaked out the window.
The sneaker intimidated the angel, not to lie, BUT TO WITHHOLD
.
IMO this is the case... Someone knows and is withholding

Yes, maybe I missed something in my reading. :waitasec: If so, I apologize for my lack of attention. But is there any person who has came forth that knows what happened to her after she got into the black SUV. I mean did she ever go to any other place and who was driving the SUV? Or do they think that she never got out of the SUV after she entered it. If she did get out, there have to be several people who saw her later that night.

sherbetjello
08-29-2010, 10:27 PM
Yes, maybe I missed something in my reading. :waitasec: If so, I apologize for my lack of attention. But is there any person who has came forth that knows what happened to her after she got into the black SUV. I mean did she ever go to any other place and who was driving the SUV? Or do they think that she never got out of the SUV after she entered it. If she did get out, there have to be several people who saw her later that night.

Nope. I believe that people that DID see her (if anyone did) they are scared to say so.

I Din Doot
08-29-2010, 10:29 PM
Nope. I believe that people that DID see her (if anyone did) they are scared to say so.

My point EXACTLY: WITHHOLDING

sherbetjello
08-29-2010, 11:45 PM
Just read via FB memorial page that the protesters DID in fact show up to the vigil, they received an escort out of the area.

Good news.

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/08/29/21/082910vigil_jg1.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.j pg

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469340/vigil-for-alicia-debolt.html

DidionFan
08-30-2010, 12:40 AM
Hello - I am mostly on WS for the Kyron Horman case, but Alicia's case has me very upset. Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I have read confusion on this thread about AL's girlfriend. Her name is withheld in this MSM article, but she is 31, and they first became acquainted online 11 months ago.

Respectfully snipped:

"The woman, who asked that her name not be used because of safety and privacy concerns, said she first became acquainted with Longoria online. For about eight months, they corresponded by written letter. She knew he was in a Texas prison."

and

"The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.

Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

I thought I read somewhere that he had lost his job that week as well? Sounds like he wasn't at Venture that long, if according to this article he just started working there the Wednesday before Alicia went missing.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 12:56 AM
Just read via FB memorial page that the protesters DID in fact show up to the vigil, they received an escort out of the area.

Good news.

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/08/29/21/082910vigil_jg1.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.j pg

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469340/vigil-for-alicia-debolt.html

I'm teary eyed over seeing this picture. RIP baby girl. :rose:Look at all the wonderful people who came out for her and to put the protesters in their place. Just beautiful.

ashmoulder
08-30-2010, 01:08 AM
Not sure if anyone has noticed but there are some pretty disturbing comments re- what could have happened to Alicia on the photo her sister Dawn has a her display picture:

"How could 7 guys hurt her she was such a beautiful baby girl that everyone loved. Now I just wish those guys get caught and put in the same position."

and

"...i can't belive a 37 year old man and a bunch o minors or anyone in the world for that fact would do that."

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wall#!/photo.php?pid=31539995&id=1498458809&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1587107086432

not sure if i am allowed to post this?

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 01:09 AM
Video in the upper right of vigil. http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101748323.html

claudicici
08-30-2010, 01:13 AM
I wanted to comment on what seems to confuse us about Dawn/Holly....according to Alicia's mom's myspace Alicia's sister Dawn has a girlfriend not a husband so that seems to be Holly and that's why we're so confused.....
....and yes,it's sad how depressed Alicia's brother seemed to be even before the tragedy...he also seemed to be close to Alicia and they seemed to have a sweet relationship.I hope he can cope somehow....

I have a very mature 14 year old and I was mature when I was 14.My boyfriend was 19 at the time and I still don't see anything wrong with it.
I think it's easy to judge but teenagers mature in different rates and it really depends on the individual IMO.
The myspace from Alicia's ex boyfriend makes me smile.IMO it's good to know that there was a boy in her life (even though he seemed troubled) that truly cared about her.I'm glad she got to experience that before she went through what she had to go through.
I hope she did not have to suffer long in her last moments..

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 01:19 AM
Yes, maybe I missed something in my reading. :waitasec: If so, I apologize for my lack of attention. But is there any person who has came forth that knows what happened to her after she got into the black SUV. I mean did she ever go to any other place and who was driving the SUV? Or do they think that she never got out of the SUV after she entered it. If she did get out, there have to be several people who saw her later that night.

There was a male neighbor who came forward, on a video, that said he believed he saw her at AL's house...he's not positive, but said they were all standing in the garage.


Not sure if anyone has noticed but there are some pretty disturbing comments re- what could have happened to Alicia on the photo her sister Dawn has a her display picture:

"How could 7 guys hurt her she was such a beautiful baby girl that everyone loved. Now I just wish those guys get caught and put in the same position."

and

"...i can't belive a 37 year old man and a bunch o minors or anyone in the world for that fact would do that."

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1498458809&v=wall#!/photo.php?pid=31539995&id=1498458809&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1587107086432

not sure if i am allowed to post this?

Was this just a gang rape and then they murdered her or did she do something that they thought they needed to do this? Lord have mercy!!

claudicici
08-30-2010, 01:21 AM
.....7 guys???????.....oh my god,I feel sick....

mikeysmommom
08-30-2010, 01:21 AM
That woman who knew he was in prison and let him move into her home needs to have a mental evaluation stat! How can a mother of 2 children do something so foolish? Why the Hello do they let prisoners have computer access,IMO that should be stopped also these pen pal programs need to be stopped.I read the above article and she makes me feel as sick as he does.She doesn't seem all that upset about how horribly he murdered that beautiful 14 yr old.He was a father figure to her son, how badly did she need a man to pick a POS like that.

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 01:47 AM
If it is true about 7 guys, then Marc Klass is even more amazing than I thought. He said on NG that he thinks there would be more than 1 perp involved and they could be juvies.

DidionFan
08-30-2010, 01:47 AM
Not sure if anyone has noticed but there are some pretty disturbing comments re- what could have happened to Alicia on the photo her sister Dawn has a her display picture

I am also noticing a lot of comments on news sites and on blogs by people who knew Alicia, and there does seem to be a lot of talk about a group that committed this crime. I don't know if there is info LE has from people who were around when the incident occurred (like maybe someone "talked" to LE and lead them to AL), but in any case, whatever is circulating among those close to this case, it is beyond horrifying. I hate to think this could be any worse than what we know from MSM, but I am afraid it is going to be so...

RIP, Alicia. I know you are an angel. This is too sad for words...

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 01:53 AM
If it is true about 7 guys, then Marc Klass is even more amazing than I thought. He said on NG that he thinks there would be more than 1 perp involved and they could be juvies.

JMO, but I think Mark and Nancy know a H.... of a lot more than they put on the air.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 01:55 AM
I am also noticing a lot of comments on news sites and on blogs by people who knew Alicia, and there does seem to be a lot of talk about a group that committed this crime. I don't know if there is info LE has from people who were around when the incident occurred (like maybe someone "talked" to LE and lead them to AL), but in any case, whatever is circulating among those close to this case, it is beyond horrifying. I hate to think this could be any worse than what we know from MSM, but I am afraid it is going to be so...

RIP, Alicia. I know you are an angel. This is too sad for words...

You know, if this is true, LE better hope they find them all before the good ole boys do. They will not let this slide.

JMO

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 02:04 AM
OMG, AL's GF met him online 8 mths ago WHILE he was in prison.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 02:26 AM
OMG, AL's GF met him online 8 mths ago WHILE he was in prison.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html


I think she is very, very lucky. This guy was not only bad, but none too bright.....at all. All it would have taken is one arguement while they were drinking or something and she prolly would have met his violent side. JMO, of course. What was she thinking? She stated she was just trying to be nice or something.....yep, women get taken advantage of because we ARE nuturing and then we become vunerable to the real preditors. Beware. It's hard to imagine, and sad to say, sometimes even a simple smile can be dangerous....perceived the wrong way. Let alone putting her childen in an envionment like that. :furious: DCS should be knocking on her door.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 02:35 AM
Just read via FB memorial page that the protesters DID in fact show up to the vigil, they received an escort out of the area.

Good news.

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2010/08/29/21/082910vigil_jg1.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.j pg

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469340/vigil-for-alicia-debolt.html

Sad. Touching vigil.

And the last sentence about church members protesting not only this, but also military funerals? That just makes me flat furious. :furious::furious::furious:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469362/thousands-gather-to-remember-slain.html

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 02:42 AM
OMG, AL's GF met him online 8 mths ago WHILE he was in prison.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

She said they were like a family. "He's always considered me his wife even though we were not married."

Puke, barf,:sick: sense of entitlement and ownership. How long until he would have changed into an abuser?

As the woman talked about how things have turned out, she choked back tears.
"My son looked up to him like a father figure," she said.

Good grief. And I hope his woman can use this as a lesson to both herself AND her kids. Frightening.

ETA: meant to include that I am incredibly pleased to finally hear from the GF and what she has to say.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 02:44 AM
You know, if this is true, LE better hope they find them all before the good ole boys do. They will not let this slide.

JMO

I'm almost hoping for the good ol' boys, but unfortunately then they'd be hauled in on homicide charges.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 03:13 AM
I don't recall seeing this video before, but it shows the GF's brother, a view of
the pit, and a neighbor. Is this the same woman that gave him a ride?

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/101428039.html

wasnt_me
08-30-2010, 03:26 AM
Sometimes my mother would just give up. She didn't have the energy to fight for hours so she would say things like, "fine, you can go, just be back in an hour". That's how envision Alicia's mothers situation. It was a poor choice on her part and a choice she is going to have to live with. I think that guilt is more than enough punishment. I hate that people are bashing her at a time like this when she is experiencing such great loss. I'm sure she keeps replaying that night in her head, wishing for another chance.

This is probably true, but in reality, if this man or men targeted her daughter and if it is the guy in custody for the car theft, then I have a feeling that he would have made his move on any given night and any given day. If she'd stayed home that night, he just would have struck at a different time.

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 03:29 AM
Thanks holly, no I hadn't seen it, so thanks. I think this neighbor is not the same one as the one who gave him the ride.

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 03:39 AM
Snippet #1 from news article

The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.


I query this, do they mean that Sat ? The plant closes at dusk! It is closed on Sundays
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=7956359#Comments_Container#ixzz0y4OcpgSu

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 03:46 AM
Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m.


So I think he picked her up! What on earth happened in those two hrs, the time frame is short. If there are possibly others involved I am thinking Gang Rape, I also wonder if it was premeditated. There is travel time to consider and I am not sure of the distance from his place to the asphalt spot. NG said she had one sneaker on when her body was found.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=7956359#Comments_Container#ixzz0y4aDqkOL


Thanks to hollyblue's map it is 7 plus miles from Alicia's home to site where her remains were found.

teedie2
08-30-2010, 04:15 AM
That woman who knew he was in prison and let him move into her home needs to have a mental evaluation stat! How can a mother of 2 children do something so foolish? Why the Hello do they let prisoners have computer access,IMO that should be stopped also these pen pal programs need to be stopped.I read the above article and she makes me feel as sick as he does.She doesn't seem all that upset about how horribly he murdered that beautiful 14 yr old.He was a father figure to her son, how badly did she need a man to pick a POS like that.

Can't repeat your post too many times! When I read that he was released from prison on May 26, my brain was reeling! She is very fortunate that he didn't get to one of her children ... if, that is, he didn't.

I read that they had "been together" for six months (or is it eight?) ... and we know that that is physically impossible. So they corresponded for ~5 months, he gets out and they immediately cohabit? Yeah, she sure knew him really well before he moved in with HER CHILDREN!! You can learn a lot about a person in 3 months, especially in correspondence etc.

OMG! This makes me feel like Meryl Streep in "Death Becomes Her" ... remember when her head was facing backard on her body?

I'm sure the "wife" was only with him to provide a father figure for her son ... She better start praying, fast!

And she needs to shop for the next father figure somewhere other than in the prison system. I feel awfully mean saying these things, and do hope and pray that she really takes a lesson away from this. I wish her luck in the future, for her children's sake.

IMO

MandiJayne
08-30-2010, 04:42 AM
How horrible for this young girl and her family. How nonsensical for this woman to be so insecure and so in need of companionship that she neglected the needs of her family AND her community and enticed a criminal into the community in order to meet her self-esteem needs. When are we as women going to wise up and realize that WE are all we need and that if we decide to let someone else into our lives and ESPECIALLY into our children's lives they had better add something other than a warm body to feed our pitiful egos? How could you possibly think that you could trust someone who was in prison to be a good partner and a father figure for your children? She brought this man into her community to prey on its children for her own stupid inferiority complex that she wasn't worth the time of a man who had morals and values. GRRRRR I'm not saying that every man who is in prison is going to be a reprehensible POS; however, the best predictor for future events is past events, is it not? Why would you go fishing for a fella in prison?? Somebody please explain that concept to me!!

RIP sweet Alicia! May God bring your family comfort and peace!

teedie2
08-30-2010, 04:52 AM
I'm almost hoping for the good ol' boys, but unfortunately then they'd be hauled in on homicide charges.

Not always. Check this link out:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/28/2183994/prosecutor-moving-on-but-mystery.html

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 05:27 AM
for any locals still with us, are there gangs out there in Great Bend?

Yes, there are 2 separate gangs that I have heard about thru my sister & brother who went to high school in GB. According to my brother, a new smaller gang has "moved" in and causing issues also. Haven't heard anything if this could be gang related or not though.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 05:29 AM
Thanks holly, no I hadn't seen it, so thanks. I think this neighbor is not the same one as the one who gave him the ride.

Right, the 2 neighbor's are 2 different people.

http://www.kwch.com/videobeta/2383f8b1-f5f1-4356-9f11-178469733c76/News/Woman-who-gave-Longoria-ride-talks-to-Eyewitness-News
This shows the neighbor who gave him the ride to steal the SUV.

The male neighbor is the one who is on video stating he thinks he may have seen AD at AL's house.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 05:41 AM
Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m.


So I think he picked her up! What on earth happened in those two hrs, the time frame is short. If there are possibly others involved I am thinking Gang Rape, I also wonder if it was premeditated. There is travel time to consider and I am not sure of the distance from his place to the asphalt spot. NG said she had one sneaker on when her body was found.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=7956359#Comments_Container#ixzz0y4aDqkOL


Thanks to hollyblue's map it is 7 plus miles from Alicia's home to site where her remains were found.

I agree, I think he was the one to pick her up. I have to wonder if there were already other people in the SUV when he picked her up also. I think the crime happened quickly after 11pm and he was home shortly after. I don't want to get in trouble for posting anything I shouldn't, but gang rape is rumored. Which goes along with my thinking that is the reason they haven't officially charged AL with murder. I think they are trying to get him to talk to implicate other people and their role in the crime. I have heard some absolutely disgusting/horrific things happened, and I think they want to make absolutely sure they get the right people for the crime.

GB is very small, and you can get from one side of town to the other in a matter of minutes. 10 minutes is probably average with stoplights. There are numerous stop lights along K-56 that goes thru town because there are many things along the route (gas stations, car places, food places, grocery stores, etc). It wouldn't take hardly any time at all for AL to pick her up, drive out to the plant, and be home again within a couple hours.

I talked to a friend that lives in GB today, and she said that the asphalt plant always has different smells/fumes/smoke coming from the site, so many people probably wouldn't think anything of it because it wouldn't be out of the ordinary. I guess I would think that at night, when people know it's closed, it may be different, but maybe not.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 05:45 AM
Sad. Touching vigil.

And the last sentence about church members protesting not only this, but also military funerals? That just makes me flat furious. :furious::furious::furious:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469362/thousands-gather-to-remember-slain.html

This picture brings tears to my eyes. If I wouldn't have had to work tonight, I would have been there.

I'm so glad that nasty group was escorted out, they are such a disgrace and it's an embarrassment that they are from KS. I hope everyone knows that the real people of KS are disgusted by them. They protest everything, it's really sad.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 07:05 AM
Not always. Check this link out:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/28/2183994/prosecutor-moving-on-but-mystery.html

Yup, and they made a movie out of it. Only 400 people there who (IMO) rightfully united to keep their mouths shut, or dollars to donuts the good guy goes down for taking out the bad guy, unless in defense of his life and property, and even the latter can get you into jail right quick any more.

Due process is sometimes an ugly thing, but we have to live with it. I have reasonable confidence the perp(s) will be caught, processed, get something resembling a speedy and fair trial, and hopefully NEVER see the light of day again.

Fire up ol' Sparky for this one.

Vigilante justice doesn't always get it right, and would hate to see an innocent person in the line of fire for this.

Patty G
08-30-2010, 07:50 AM
Hello - I am mostly on WS for the Kyron Horman case, but Alicia's case has me very upset. Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I have read confusion on this thread about AL's girlfriend. Her name is withheld in this MSM article, but she is 31, and they first became acquainted online 11 months ago.

Respectfully snipped:

"The woman, who asked that her name not be used because of safety and privacy concerns, said she first became acquainted with Longoria online. For about eight months, they corresponded by written letter. She knew he was in a Texas prison."

and

"The following Saturday, Aug. 21, he worked at the Venture asphalt plant west of town where Alicia's body was found, she said. He came home from work dirty, "all black," she assumed from excavation work at the asphalt plant.

Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m."

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

I thought I read somewhere that he had lost his job that week as well? Sounds like he wasn't at Venture that long, if according to this article he just started working there the Wednesday before Alicia went missing.

Thank you for finding this article and posting the link.

This sure clears up how they both got together especially since AL only came out prision on May 25th and yet the brother claims they know each other for 6 months or so.

I posted the other day I thought this was an online romance, however I was hoping it wasn't because of the danger behind meeting criminals online. :(

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010

TXHOPE
08-30-2010, 08:58 AM
Authorities said Alicia was last seen leaving her home about 11 p.m. that Saturday. She got into a small, dark-colored SUV.

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m.


So I think he picked her up! What on earth happened in those two hrs, the time frame is short. If there are possibly others involved I am thinking Gang Rape, I also wonder if it was premeditated. There is travel time to consider and I am not sure of the distance from his place to the asphalt spot. NG said she had one sneaker on when her body was found.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/29/1469361/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=7956359#Comments_Container#ixzz0y4aDqkOL


Thanks to hollyblue's map it is 7 plus miles from Alicia's home to site where her remains were found.

2 hours just doesn't make sense to me. I wonder if he left the house again after his girlfriend fell asleep.

SCSleuther
08-30-2010, 09:39 AM
claudicici (thread #1, post #583 )

I'm only aware of one IR
....and if he is the one in the link in no way do I mean to imply that makes him more likely to be involved in Alicia's murder.... that might be the reason why he seems so cold in his FB postings....JMO


Sorry to rehash this from thread #1, but there are two IR's that are "friends" with Alicia via FB....

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall
This is the IR that posted the message:
"Gnna need a f$%^& lawyer" (I changed the bad word). This is the one y'all were discussing...

And then we have this one (page is private, but can access his friend list)
Maybe this is a second FB page for the same (IR) guy...?
Or maybe it is a different person by the same name...?
From the profile photo, his right ear appears to have same characteristics, but face looks thinner...
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000193640467#!/profile.php?id=1456067628

claudicici
08-30-2010, 09:53 AM
...it looks like the same guy to me....if you scroll down to the older posts on the profile that's not private there's another picture of him that's brighter and it looks like the same guy IMO

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 10:12 AM
There will be a live press conference at 10am (Central Time) from the GB courthouse talking about the charges against AL. I'm trying really hard to stay awake (I work 12hr nights) to find out the latest info and see if they release any additional info.

I will share as soon as I can. I really hope the Attorney General releases more information and that there will be new charges today.

fhc
08-30-2010, 10:24 AM
There will be a live press conference at 10am (Central Time) from the GB courthouse talking about the charges against AL. I'm trying really hard to stay awake (I work 12hr nights) to find out the latest info and see if they release any additional info.

I will share as soon as I can. I really hope the Attorney General releases more information and that there will be new charges today.

Thank you, do you know if any local news websites will carry the pc live?

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 10:28 AM
Although I can't confirm this case is the actual Adam Longoria involved here the dates and events line up with the times he would have been incarcerated here in Texas.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 10:34 AM
This utube is about the GF meeting AL while in jail etc, however further in it said that AL was about to be charged for molesting 3 young girls.

http://interceder.net/list/Alicia-DeBolt

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 10:38 AM
Yes, it appears at least 1 of them them will. Here is the link.

http://www.ksn.com/default.aspx

Soul125
08-30-2010, 10:59 AM
Yes, it appears at least 1 of them them will. Here is the link.

http://www.ksn.com/default.aspx

Is the press confer. at 10 or after AL gets through in court? Thanks

fhc
08-30-2010, 11:05 AM
Is anyone getting anything other than that whispering guy a few minutes ago?

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:06 AM
Did anyone else get a discomforting voice transmission on the streaming video? I looked at my son, he looked at me....What was that?

Soul125
08-30-2010, 11:08 AM
Is anyone getting anything other than that whispering guy a few minutes ago?

Just the guy testing the mic. I guess they are waiting.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:12 AM
Dennall, that just reaffirms the sick world in which we live. They do it to elicit a response and to show their sickness, give them a cheap thrill. Makes me sick, but won't give them the satisfaction of getting upset, but lets us know we are up against in this world now doesn't it?

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:13 AM
I am wondering if the Presser will be held after AL appears in Court, his appearance was to be @10 am.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:15 AM
I am just guessing at this point, but may be waiting on him to finish in court. I have to teach soon, but am determined to see this presser....urgh.....

fhc
08-30-2010, 11:15 AM
Since we are twiddling our thumbs, does anyone know if that women that moved this alleged murderer into her home with 2 children still has custody of these kids?

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:20 AM
I am sure she does, this is not an isolated thing, its common. Many many women and men shop for mates in the prison system. Low self esteem is a horrible thing. I think they may look into her but do not think for a moment they will remove the children, I have seen this type thing many times over my career and can say, if he harmed one in any way and it comes out, then maybe, but even then usually will be kept in the home now that he is not in it. IMHO

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:20 AM
Here is a little article that just popped up, Alicia was known as"babygurl" to friends and family.

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Person-of-interest-in-Great-Bend-girls-death-in/THq9ruQn_EeUq-PLavVpog.cspx

TXHOPE
08-30-2010, 11:21 AM
AG to speak after court appearance by 'person of interest' in teen's death

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469860/ag-to-speak-after-court-appearance.html#ixzz0y6SBKcWS


Attorney General Steve Six is expected to speak to the media this morning following a first court appearance by the man Six has identified as a "person of interest" in the killing of 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt.

gliving
08-30-2010, 11:24 AM
Perp walk photo with article.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

One more:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469860/ag-to-speak-after-court-appearance.html

trigger
08-30-2010, 11:28 AM
Heres another showing the presser

http://www.kake.com/

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Anyone that is good at blowing up pictures, the first one of him walking, look at his left arm below elbow, is that a burn?

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Sorry if I posted inaccurate info re: press conference and time. I guess I just assumed it would all be televised live based on the information I read. With other high profile cases they have done that, but maybe it's different since the KBI is handling things.

I just really wish they'd hurry up. I'm getting very sleepy! Again, sorry for relaying wrong info.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:34 AM
I just heard a blurb on the live stream with a woman's (judge?) voice setting a $150,000 bond.

That tells me they didn't charge him with any additional charges yet. Grrrr!

fhc
08-30-2010, 11:35 AM
$150,000 bond!!!

gliving
08-30-2010, 11:35 AM
Anyone that is good at blowing up pictures, the first one of him walking, look at his left arm below elbow, is that a burn?

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg/)

You are right. His arms are red from the elbows down. Enlarge and you can see it.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 11:35 AM
Anyone that is good at blowing up pictures, the first one of him walking, look at his left arm below elbow, is that a burn?

Good eyes. It sure looks like both his arms are burned and red below the elbows. Hmmm.

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 11:35 AM
Anyone that is good at blowing up pictures, the first one of him walking, look at his left arm below elbow, is that a burn?

It definintely looks like a burn to me...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=10916

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:36 AM
Presser should be coming soon, sounds like proceedings are winding up.... Bond not high enough when considering flight risk. I hope no one has collateral to help this yahoo make bond.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:37 AM
I would have said sunburn, but on left arm its not uniform as sunburn would be....IMHO

Kimster
08-30-2010, 11:37 AM
$150,000 bond!!!

It should be $2,000,000!!!! :mad:

Whenever I see these perps for the first time, I think how that was the last person the precious child saw before going to heaven.

My Lord, save us from this world!

fhc
08-30-2010, 11:38 AM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg/)

You are right. His arms are red from the elbows down. Enlarge and you can see it.

maybe from working with asphalt and not knowing how to prevent burns?

Patty G
08-30-2010, 11:38 AM
Where is everyone viewing the hearing/presser? Thanks

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:38 AM
http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

article on bond and he is to appear again, time 7 ???? do they mean 7am or the date 7?

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 11:39 AM
Since we are twiddling our thumbs, does anyone know if that women that moved this alleged murderer into her home with 2 children still has custody of these kids?

(I read this incorrectly, but I am just throwing my 2-cents in)

This was/is reckless parenting.

The status quo of "You should be married and your children should have a father" doesn't help ALL cases. It should be noted, some women are smart (like another poster here once said) and value their children MORE than than the status quo.

JMO, of course. I feel for those children more than the "heartbroken" girlfriend.

gliving
08-30-2010, 11:40 AM
Before stealing the vehicle, Six says Longoria went to post office and mailed many of his belongings to an address in Texas. “I believe that the defendant is in a desperate state of mind, and therefore, there’s a risk to the community if he’s released," said Six to the court.

Longoria said the belongings mailed to Texas were just two cowboy hats and a pair of pants. He also says he left Great Bend to stay with a friend because his house had been searched and there were cameras outside. He says he had a duffel bag with him with just a couple of changes of clothes in it.

KWCH 12 Eyewitness News
http://ht.ly/2wMIk

He mailed his cowboys hats?

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:41 AM
AG speaking now.

Charged with 2 counts, theft & burglary. Bond for $150,000.

Alicia's case is continuing, proceeding in orderly fashion, tragic case, working on facts they know.

gliving
08-30-2010, 11:41 AM
maybe from working with asphalt and not knowing how to prevent burns?

Could be, but I read he was a flag man on the highway.

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 11:42 AM
YIKES!!!...

Before stealing the vehicle, Six says Longoria went to post office and mailed many of his belongings to an address in Texas. “I believe that the defendant is in a desperate state of mind, and therefore, there’s a risk to the community if he’s released," said Six to the court.

Longoria said the belongings mailed to Texas were just two cowboy hats and a pair of pants. He also says he left Great Bend to stay with a friend because his house had been searched and there were cameras outside. He says he had a duffel bag with him with just a couple of changes of clothes in it.

Six said Longoria also has a warrant out for his arrest from Marion County, North Carolina, for allegedly calling in threats to an elementary school.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

trigger
08-30-2010, 11:43 AM
http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

article on bond and he is to appear again, time 7 ???? do they mean 7am or the date 7?

IDK...:banghead:

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:47 AM
I just heard Sept 7th is the date for attorney review. They said AL doesn't have an attorney now, but plans on hiring one.

trigger
08-30-2010, 11:48 AM
It should be $2,000,000!!!! :mad:

Whenever I see these perps for the first time, I think how that was the last person the precious child saw before going to heaven.

My Lord, save us from this world!

Kim its ust for these charges, nothing to do with Alicia yet.

Adam Longoria appeared in a Great Bend courtroom Monday morning. He is charged with charged with one count of Vehicle Burglary and one count of Theft of property worth at least $1,000 but less than $25,000.

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 11:48 AM
Six said Longoria also has a warrant out for his arrest from Marion County, North Carolina, for allegedly calling in threats to an elementary school.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

I hope that they get some solid evidence soon. I REALLY hope someone out there talks (like the GF, maybe?) to help this case move along. The statement that he has a warrant out doesn't make me feel good, at all. Seems like that could be a crutch here later on (the reason why he bailed town.)

:praying:

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 11:49 AM
I just heard Sept 7th is the date for attorney review. They said AL doesn't have an attorney now, but plans on hiring one.

Then who was the attorney he was calling on the phone Friday per the neighbor?

Kimster
08-30-2010, 11:51 AM
Kim its ust for these charges, nothing to do with Alicia yet.

Adam Longoria appeared in a Great Bend courtroom Monday morning. He is charged with charged with one count of Vehicle Burglary and one count of Theft of property worth at least $1,000 but less than $25,000.

Yeah, I know. But I still wish it was that high! I realize they can't do that or it could be considered "cruel and unusual". Seeing his pic this AM for the first name has me a bit enraged. :furious:

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:51 AM
Once he is Lawyered up, his lips will be sealed, AL knows the Gig.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 11:51 AM
I am betting the date, 7 a.m. would be too fast for Prelim IMHO. I hope they have a warrant to get that package and inspect, he brought change of clothing in duffel, but mailed a pair of pants? Ummmmm why?

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:53 AM
I am betting the date, 7 a.m. would be too fast for Prelim IMHO. I hope they have a warrant to get that package and inspect, he brought change of clothing in duffel, but mailed a pair of pants? Ummmmm why?


Maybe those were the "Party Pants"!

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 11:56 AM
I reread the article and this is a little more comforting:

Six asked that bond be set in the amount of $150,000 and the judge agreed. The judge agreed that Longoria is a flight risk. The judges said if Longoria tries to make bond, there will be another hearing.

TXHOPE
08-30-2010, 11:59 AM
I am betting the date, 7 a.m. would be too fast for Prelim IMHO. I hope they have a warrant to get that package and inspect, he brought change of clothing in duffel, but mailed a pair of pants? Ummmmm why?

Yet another genius move..:doh:

trigger
08-30-2010, 12:00 PM
Yeah, I know. But I still wish it was that high! I realize they can't do that or it could be considered "cruel and unusual". Seeing his pic this AM for the first name has me a bit enraged. :furious:

ITA...I wish it was higher to. He could make bail. This makes me so angry to.

gliving
08-30-2010, 12:01 PM
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6296/originalg.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/originalg.jpg/)

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Bond-set-at-150K-for-person-of-interest-in-girls/THq9ruQn_EeUq-PLavVpog.cspx

"The judge set his bond at $150,000 and set the next court date for September 7th."

He's not going anywhere soon. MOO

trigger
08-30-2010, 12:01 PM
I reread the article and this is a little more comforting:

Six asked that bond be set in the amount of $150,000 and the judge agreed. The judge agreed that Longoria is a flight risk. The judges said if Longoria tries to make bond, there will be another hearing.

Thanx ...my computer is slow today.

somewhereinkansas
08-30-2010, 12:05 PM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg/)

You are right. His arms are red from the elbows down. Enlarge and you can see it.

I think that you see blades of grass or some kind of plant that fades out.
MOO

cathdawg
08-30-2010, 12:08 PM
To me it looks like his Rt arm is red/burnt from wrist to forearm (truckers tan)? The left arm one red blotch below elbow , it looks like a burn to me.

Blue Ridge
08-30-2010, 12:39 PM
I think that you see blades of grass or some kind of plant that fades out.
MOO

I believe you are right, Somewhere. I blew it up and you can easily see each place the blades of grass cross it (not just his arms but his pants and the arm of officer behind him). The part of his arms that doesn't have the grass (which is blurred due to being closer to the camera) is really the same color as his neck.

6angels
08-30-2010, 01:24 PM
Boy, Alicia's Brother seemed to be so depressed and this was before the Alicia tragedy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001236047277&v=wall
Oh yea welcome to a teenage boy's life. Have girl friends break up with them or get broken up with = end of life as they know it. They are so emoctional at that age.

gliving
08-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Yet another genius move..:doh:

"Longoria, who does not yet have an attorney, told the judge he didn't understand how he could be considered a flight risk.
"I've cooperated with the agencies from day one,'' said Longoria, 36, who wore orange-and-white-striped jail clothes and ankle chains."

Righto, he's in jail for fleeing in a stolen car and has warrants in another state.



http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469860/ag-to-speak-after-court-appearance.html

"Alicia's family attended today's hearing and sat in the front row of the courtroom."

Simply Caustic
08-30-2010, 01:38 PM
OMG, AL's GF met him online 8 mths ago WHILE he was in prison.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

Through both work and volunteer efforts, I am familiar with the workings of the State of Illinois Dept. of Corrections, and also Cook County Jail (26th and California), which deserves, IMO, the infamy associated with it's name: It takes a lot to frighten hardened criminals, and Cook County Jail does just that...to them, and to me, honestly, when I first began going there.

While I have no knowledge of Kansas or it's DOC system, I can offer this info. generically: The inmates are not allowed access to any online services, themselves. Rather, for a fee, they write into a service such as writeaprisoner.com, with their 'personal ad'. This ad is then placed on the website, and when responses are written via email or snail mail, they are forwarded to the inmate on a weekly (or bi-weekly, can't recall) basis.

IIRC, the fee is like $60 a month, but I have heard from various inmates they get dozens of replies per week(not just the above site, all of these various write-a-felon deals) but take that with a huge chunk of salt, as they are known for boasting to people like myself from the 'real world' (not to condescend, either, just my opinion.)

Very often, they end up with visits from the pen pal. Though legal visits do not go into the same area as personal ones for the actual visit, ALL visitors, legal/personal, are placed together in the same waiting room prior to search. I've chatted with at least a hundred female visitors over the years, and several dozen were of the pen pal variety (some told me the first time we met, some I'd end up seeing a half dozen times, and some were 'outed' to me via the inmate I was meeting with. While this is no case study, for sure, and just my own personal opinion, these women all came across as nice, friendly, sweet, and good-natured. Some were pretty, some were not, and I'll admit I was shocked to learn from a woman I'll call 'Debbie' (who became somewhat of an acquaintance to me as we often arrived on the same days of the week) who is a regional VP of Human Resources for a well-known firm. I'd held the preconceived notion that these penpals were stereotypically not professional, educated women, and I admit that with a blush. Stupid of me to do that, but I can't help but wonder why they initiate contact with an inmate.

Bolded portion is from the Kansas.com article. The following selection irks me:

She also has learned that his Texas prison record was more extensive than she realized.

The Texas Department of Criminal Justice said last week that Longoria has done time on nine charges there since 1991, including burglary, forgery, credit card abuse, escape from prison and evading arrest. He was convicted of aggravated robbery in 2004 and was released May 25.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz0y6yeC3QS

Here in IL, a simple search of the IDOC website, which you can search by name, or inmate number, etc. would reveal ALL charges which have not been discharged (thus including time out on parole). If that info is not readily available in KS, I'll rescind my annoyance with apologies to the GF, but IMO when you move a man into your home with your kids, you do a careful check on him...already knowing he had been incarcerated, you do a (imo) background check!! (Or don't do it, but that is neither here nor there)

Last complaint I promise.
Longoria's GF saying that her son saw him as a 'father figure' when they have only known each other for such a short time, even INCLUDING his incarcerated days, is sickening. IMO, kids shouldn't even meet a parent's BF/GF until the relationship is solid and 'for sure' going to last, or as sure as one can be. To have men/women jump into and out of the life of a child is cruel. To bring a man, potentially dangerous as a convicted felon, without doing a careful verification of his rap sheet, is idiocy IMO. A quickie check of his charges could have proven him a liar prior to him moving in (she says she was not informed of his full criminal background, IOW, he shaved off a few charges).

Sorry to ramble, just wanted to share what I know and ramble a bit. :blushing::blushing:
I

cluciano63
08-30-2010, 01:42 PM
Ugh, this girlfriend of AL's reminds me of those demented women on "Prison Wives". No matter what these men did, the women just "knew" they were innocent and brought their own kids to visit the creeps in prison, made them call him "daddy", etc...these women ought to be locked up, if they knowingly allow an ex-con into their homes with children present.

6angels
08-30-2010, 01:58 PM
It should be $2,000,000!!!! :mad:

Whenever I see these perps for the first time, I think how that was the last person the precious child saw before going to heaven.

My Lord, save us from this world!
Should be no bond

Velouria
08-30-2010, 02:01 PM
"Longoria, who does not yet have an attorney, told the judge he didn't understand how he could be considered a flight risk.
"I've cooperated with the agencies from day one,'' said Longoria, 36, who wore orange-and-white-striped jail clothes and ankle chains."

Righto, he's in jail for fleeing in a stolen car and has warrants in another state.


Once again, this guy proves himself a prime candidate for "World's Dumbest Criminals". I wonder if his attorney will use diminished IQ as a defense?

Soul125
08-30-2010, 02:27 PM
Ugh, this girlfriend of AL's reminds me of those demented women on "Prison Wives". No matter what these men did, the women just "knew" they were innocent and brought their own kids to visit the creeps in prison, made them call him "daddy", etc...these women ought to be locked up, if they knowingly allow an ex-con into their homes with children present.

Very true. This woman is just plain irrational and senseless in my thoughts. Only a truly desperate woman is going to go looking in prisons for a future spouse or companion IMO. Why, especially if you have kids still at home. Most criminals aren't exactly honest, role models. :waitasec:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

Sorry if repost.

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 02:59 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html

Sorry if repost.

""My son looked up to him like a father figure," she said."

So, I think we got confused thinking she had two girls. Now we know that she has at LEAST one boy.
I am starting to look at the social environment (nature vs. nurture) here.

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 03:11 PM
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6296/originalg.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/originalg.jpg/)

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Bond-set-at-150K-for-person-of-interest-in-girls/THq9ruQn_EeUq-PLavVpog.cspx



Who took this picture? I read in an article that Alicia's parents were "front row" for the hearing.

This is not a circus, or a spectacle. This is the transpiring of events to help convict the person(s) responsible for taking the young life of Alicia.

Also, WHY ON EARTH is Longorias GF scared to be identified? I am pretty sure everyone in that area knows who he is, and who she is now. If not, I am PRETTY sure it's not too hard to walk into any corner store and ask. Not to hard to search that addy (the one searched) on the internet and find out either. So, what is her position of remaining (and staying) nameless in this equation?


*mind spiral into a thousand directions*

[EDIT: she has younger children, that may be the case. Just now noticing this.]

I have a huge feeling she was conned by this man. I bet he was "sweet and loving, such a great role model" then probably talked about how protected he was, how he was in a dangerous gang or what not.
Some, I don't know why, see this as a form of protection and stability. It's a family w/o the family (if that makes any sense.)

That is why I had the question about the gangs earlier. I wonder if Longoria bamboozled the local teens (in a gang or not - or those aspiring to be in one) how hard and tough he was, he was in the slammer for 7-years with the vatto's, etc etc.

Kat
08-30-2010, 03:50 PM
LOL Sherbie, it's Vato, not vatto. :D Just pokin at ya :D

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 05:24 PM
AL's Nueces County Case History:

Case Style: OTHER CRIMINAL CAUSES
Date Filed:
04/29/1992 Date Disposed:
08/03/1992
Vol:
0 Start:
0 End:
0 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: ASSAULT
Date Filed:
07/28/1992 Date Disposed:
08/03/1992
Vol:
0 Start:
0 End:
0 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: THEFT OR WORTHLESS CHECKS
Date Filed:
01/14/1997 Date Disposed:
01/05/1998
Vol:
566 Start:
442 End:
444 Status:
DISMISSAL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER CRIMINAL CAUSES
Date Filed:
06/07/1999 Date Disposed:
06/23/1999
Vol:
625 Start:
532 End:
533 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: THEFT OR WORTHLESS CHECKS
Date Filed:
06/22/1999 Date Disposed:
06/23/1999
Vol:
625 Start:
555 End:
556 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: ASSAULT
Date Filed:
09/13/2002 Date Disposed:
02/07/2003
Vol:
716 Start:
323 End:
324 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: D.W.I. OR D.U.I.D
Date Filed:
10/30/2002 Date Disposed:
02/07/2003
Vol:
716 Start:
341 End:
342 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER CRIMINAL CAUSES
Date Filed:
09/03/2003 Date Disposed:
02/09/2004
Vol:
0 Start:
0 End:
0 Status:
DISMISSAL
District Court Cases
Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
05/09/1991 Date Disposed:
07/11/1991
Vol:
14 Start:
699 End:
704 Status:
CONVICTED REVOCATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
05/30/1991 Date Disposed:
07/11/1991
Vol:
14 Start:
705 End:
710 Status:
CONVICTED REVOCATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: BURGLARY
Date Filed:
06/27/1991 Date Disposed:
07/11/1991
Vol:
14 Start:
711 End:
716 Status:
CONVICTED REVOCATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: AUTO THEFT
Date Filed:
08/30/1991 Date Disposed:
10/31/1991
Vol:
15 Start:
525 End:
529 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: BURGLARY
Date Filed:
08/30/1991 Date Disposed:
10/31/1991
Vol:
15 Start:
520 End:
524 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
11/10/1994 Date Disposed:
01/18/1995
Vol:
69 Start:
887 End:
891 Status:
CONVICTED REVOCATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
03/20/1997 Date Disposed:
04/30/1997
Vol:
75 Start:
756 End:
759 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
05/20/1999 Date Disposed:
05/27/1999
Vol:
34 Start:
906 End:
909 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
05/21/1999 Date Disposed:
05/27/1999
Vol:
34 Start:
906 End:
909 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
06/04/1999 Date Disposed:
07/09/1999
Vol:
35 Start:
421 End:
425 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: AUTO THEFT
Date Filed:
06/18/1999 Date Disposed:
07/09/1999
Vol:
35 Start:
559 End:
559 Status:
DISMISSAL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: AUTO THEFT
Date Filed:
06/24/1999 Date Disposed:
07/09/1999
Vol:
36 Start:
440 End:
444 Status:
CONVICTION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: OTHER FELONY
Date Filed:
10/10/2002 Date Disposed:
02/04/2003
Vol:
77 Start:
749 End:
755 Status:
CONVICTED REVOCATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Style: ROBBERY
Date Filed:
06/05/2003 Date Disposed:
04/19/2004
Vol:
0 Start:
0 End:
0 Status:
CONVICTION

Portabella
08-30-2010, 06:10 PM
I am about to sound dumb, but what does Convicted/Revocation mean? Did this Revoke his license, not on a burglary I would not think. Would this Revoke his bond? Probation? Parole? Anyone have a clue?

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 06:19 PM
I am about to sound dumb, but what does Convicted/Revocation mean? Did this Revoke his license, not on a burglary I would not think. Would this Revoke his bond? Probation? Parole? Anyone have a clue?

I am going to assume probation.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 06:23 PM
My, it looks much, much worse when you see his offenses in list form. This guy is a career criminal from the looks of it.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 06:24 PM
@ TexasLil

Do you have a link please for where the case history came from, and is this AJL, and not the at least one other AL in the TX court/prison system?

County fits from where he was married, but not much else here to go on.

TIA

Portabella
08-30-2010, 06:41 PM
And can anyone show me the report where it says he has outstanding warrants? I never saw this actually, but have heard it several times. If he had outstanding warrants then why....

!. Would they have not run him and arrested him on said warrants the night they searched his home.

2. Would they not have a hold on him, meaning he can bond on his present charges, but he would be held in lieu of the other warrants, pending extradition.

The only thing I could think of would be if these were limited warrants. Some warrants are limited....
example you must be within a fifty mile radius of Kansas City where warrant is out of, or they just leave it hang there in hopes you will at some time be within that radius.

Levi
08-30-2010, 06:46 PM
Tonight @ 9 PM ET

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown, Former Prosecutor Robin Sax and Former Police Cheif Richard Weinblatt discuss the Alicia Debolt murder investigation.

Click here to listen live: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/08/31/levi-page-show

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 06:46 PM
@ TexasLil

Do you have a link please for where the case history came from, and is this AJL, and not the at least one other AL in the TX court/prison system?

County fits from where he was married, but not much else here to go on.

TIA

Here is the link. You have to sign up and wait for the webmaster to email you a password. The site says if you sign up after 5:00 pm it likely will be sent the following day.
http://www.co.nueces.tx.us/districtclerk/login.asp

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 06:49 PM
I am about to sound dumb, but what does Convicted/Revocation mean? Did this Revoke his license, not on a burglary I would not think. Would this Revoke his bond? Probation? Parole? Anyone have a clue?

Yes it was probation revocation for committing another offense while on probation for a prior one.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Here is the link. You have to sign up and wait for the webmaster to email you a password. The site says if you sign up after 5:00 pm it likely will be sent the following day.
http://www.co.nueces.tx.us/districtclerk/login.asp

Thanks. Got immediate password sent, and when you get far enough into it, includes his middle name.

I allso sent his birthdate and place of birth to the astrobodies to run a chart on him.

ETA: Shown to have violated a protection order in 2003, but was dismissed at "prosecutorial discretion". One wonders if that was his ex. Lucky woman indeed to be away from this one.


Degree of Off. MA
Offense Desc. VIOL OF PROTECTIVE ORDER
Arrest Date
Complaint No. 000000
Bond Req. $ 0.00
Court Date
Fine $ 0.00
Court Cost $ 0.00
Sentencing Time
Probation Time
Sentence Date 02/09/2004
Disposition DISMISSED
Entry No. Comments Entry Date
0001 s: COURT 1 COMPUTER ASSIGNED 09/04/2003
0002 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE-BILL MAY 11/13/2003
0003 MTN FOR DISCOVERY 11/14/2003
0004 MTN TO QUASH INDICTMENT 11/14/2003
0005 DEFT'S MTN TO SUPPRESS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE 11/14/2003
0006 MTN TO SUPPRESS DEFT'S STATEMENT 11/14/2003
0007 DC 6/3/04 10:30 A.M.JT 6/7/04 9:30 A.M. 01/20/2004
0008 DISM PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION (I) 02/09/2004
0009 RELINQUISHMENT OF COUNSEL 02/09/2004

or if it was from whomever he assaulted and spent jail time for in 2002:

Degree of Off. MA
Offense Desc. ASSLT CAUSES BODILY INJ
Arrest Date
Complaint No. 000000
Bond Req. $ 0.00
Court Date
Fine $ 200.00
Court Cost $ 246.00
Sentencing Time 60 Days
Probation Time
Sentence Date 02/07/2003
Disposition JAIL (FINE DUE UPON RELEASE)
Entry No. Comments Entry Date
0001 s: COURT 2 COMPUTER ASSIGNED 09/13/2002
0002 SUMMONS SET FOR 10/18/2002 TO SHERIFF 09/25/2002
0003 60 DAYS INSTANTER $200.00 FINE $246.00 CCOST DUR PLED G 02/07/2003
0004 s:COMMITMENT ISSUED 02/07/2003
0005 COMMITMENT RETURNED TIME SERVED INCLUDING MONEY 04/17/2003
0006 C/C OF FILE TO DA'S OFFICE-NANCY NEMER 01/09/2004

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 07:08 PM
Thanks. Got immediate password sent, and when you get far enough into it, includes his middle name.

I allso sent his birthdate and place of birth to the astrobodies to run a chart on him.

Curious...where was he born?

Soul125
08-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Tonight @ 9 PM ET

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown, Former Prosecutor Robin Sax and Former Police Cheif Richard Weinblatt discuss the Alicia Debolt murder investigation.

Click here to listen live: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/08/31/levi-page-show

I figured it out.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 07:19 PM
Curious...where was he born?

Sheridan, WY
11/21/73

Not Wyoming's loss, fer sure!

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Sheridan, WY
11/21/73

Not Wyoming's loss, fer sure!

That was from only 1 county in TX .....how many others between the ages of 18 and 26 did he commit and where? Bet he was a juvie too.

Bad, bad, bad!!!!!!! This guy has slipped thru so many cracks it's unbelievable. Can't imagine this guy being left to walk among society, let alone move into a house with a children!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am just shocked. Also, would be a great study why women feel attracted to and would put their lives in danger or at least a criminal involvement. Guess this one learned the hard way and I hope someone has questioned the kids to find out if they had been assaulted. I'm sure LE has talked to them and her thoroughly regarding AL in general.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 07:49 PM
I have worked the "visiting room" and also been alerted when "mail room" has found questionable mail for the inmate. You would be amazed at how many women buy into the charm of these guys. So many even marry them before they come out to assist with Parole hearings and show that they have a "good" place to be released to. I hope he did not get to her child or children in any way. I hope he was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that she or her kids have never had to see his other side. I also hope she learns from this, but sometimes they do not....

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 07:54 PM
That was from only 1 county in TX .....how many others between the ages of 18 and 26 did he commit and where? Bet he was a juvie too.

Bad, bad, bad!!!!!!! This guy has slipped thru so many cracks it's unbelievable. Can't imagine this guy being left to walk among society, let alone move into a house with a children!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am just shocked. Also, would be a great study why women feel attracted to and would put their lives in danger or at least a criminal involvement. Guess this one learned the hard way and I hope someone has questioned the kids to find out if they had been assaulted. I'm sure LE has talked to them and her thoroughly regarding AL in general.

Appears he spent most of that time in jail. Release dates aren't shown so it's not real clear, but sentencing time is. Some of it was probation, some not. Doesn't look like he was ever out for very long before re-offending. Served all 7 years less maybe 5 days, on his last offense. Arrested 5/30/03 and released May 25? this year. No probation time shown. Was considered for parole in 2006, but that's the last entry on that, and we know he wasn't. Sentence must have included time served since date of arrest.

If there is a 3-strikes law in TX, he must have been grandfathered out of it? Maybe why he couldn't wait to leave? One more and life in prison? From the age of 17, that looks like where he's spent most of his time anyway.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 08:00 PM
I have worked the "visiting room" and also been alerted when "mail room" has found questionable mail for the inmate. You would be amazed at how many women buy into the charm of these guys. So many even marry them before they come out to assist with Parole hearings and show that they have a "good" place to be released to. I hope he did not get to her child or children in any way. I hope he was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that she or her kids have never had to see his other side. I also hope she learns from this, but sometimes they do not....

I guess it's just me, but I fail to see the charm in an inmate.That may be wrong. I always wonder where a person has been and what they have done. The past is generally a good predictor of the future with people.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 08:01 PM
I have worked the "visiting room" and also been alerted when "mail room" has found questionable mail for the inmate. You would be amazed at how many women buy into the charm of these guys. So many even marry them before they come out to assist with Parole hearings and show that they have a "good" place to be released to. I hope he did not get to her child or children in any way. I hope he was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that she or her kids have never had to see his other side. I also hope she learns from this, but sometimes they do not....

I truly think he is a habitual, pathological liar, and experienced manipulator.

As far as the women getting involved with this kind via correspondence, I can't comprehend it at all. That's carrying the "bad boy attraction" a little too far in my opinion.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 08:03 PM
Appears he spent most of that time in jail. Release dates aren't shown so it's not real clear, but sentencing time is. Some of it was probation, some not. Doesn't look like he was ever out for very long before re-offending. Served all 7 years less maybe 5 days, on his last offense. Arrested 5/30/03 and released May 25? this year. No probation time shown. Was considered for parole in 2006, but that's the last entry on that, and we know he wasn't. Sentence must have included time served since date of arrest.

If there is a 3-strikes law in TX, he must have been grandfathered out of it? Maybe why he couldn't wait to leave? One more and life in prison? From the age of 17, that looks like where he's spent most of his time anyway.

I read a piece of information from a girlfriend he had in TX where she said that he didn't know how to live in the free world so this didn't suprise her one bit. The source may not be reliable so i won't post it.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 08:05 PM
I read a piece of information from a girlfriend he had in TX where she said that he didn't know how to live in the free world so this didn't suprise her one bit. The source may not be reliable so i won't post it.

Girlfriend? Or ex wife? Her initials EE (and toss one of couple last names on there).

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 08:16 PM
Sorry if this has been asked already but has anyone linked a facebook for Adam? I'm a little behind here and want to search more counties if we find out other places of residence and potential marriages and/or criminal or civil cases.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 08:17 PM
Girlfriend? Or ex wife? Her initials EE (and toss one of couple last names on there).

I don't know if I am allowed to post this so please let me know. I will delete if instructed to. It is from a news article where a woman comments. She doesn't give her name so can't be sure it is really an ex, but she posted this:

"Being his ex I know he is capable of anything. He put me and my family in danger in Texas. When I learned he was being released I took my kids and left. I knew he would mess up again. He lives in prison, he can't live in the free world. He don't know how."

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 08:22 PM
Appears he spent most of that time in jail. Release dates aren't shown so it's not real clear, but sentencing time is. Some of it was probation, some not. Doesn't look like he was ever out for very long before re-offending. Served all 7 years less maybe 5 days, on his last offense. Arrested 5/30/03 and released May 25? this year. No probation time shown. Was considered for parole in 2006, but that's the last entry on that, and we know he wasn't. Sentence must have included time served since date of arrest.

If there is a 3-strikes law in TX, he must have been grandfathered out of it? Maybe why he couldn't wait to leave? One more and life in prison? From the age of 17, that looks like where he's spent most of his time anyway.

I was talking about 1991 and prior.....is this what your referring to? Did you find other charges besides these in the one TX county? Just clarifying here...

He's really one for loss of reasoning in my book and I bet a box of donuts LE had survellience on him and grabbed that parcel before it even left the KS PO. Too, if he was headed to TX he seemed to be going the wrong way. Seems I remember a IL connection too. Logic? Now one of the many reasoning ?'s...Why mail two cowboy hats and a pr of pants to TX? Huh?
Curious, as was another poster, if these were the "party pants"?
As far as the red arms...I think that is just exposure to the elements. Long sleeves being rolled up while working in the sun. Nature's heat along with hot asphalt added to it I think. Besides, he hadn't had any real recent exposure to the hot summer sun in a quite a few years. Prolly some pretty tender lily white skin exposed for the first time in a long time. JMO

ETA: Still wanting to know why he was running around free if there was a warrant for him. But, if he's caught and has a limited warrant (per prior poster) would the LE still be able to act on it....in someway? TIA

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 08:33 PM
I don't know if I am allowed to post this so please let me know. I will delete if instructed to. It is from a news article where a woman comments. She doesn't give her name so can't be sure it is really an ex, but she posted this:

"Being his ex I know he is capable of anything. He put me and my family in danger in Texas. When I learned he was being released I took my kids and left. I knew he would mess up again. He lives in prison, he can't live in the free world. He don't know how."

You should be fine to post a news article and link to it. We just can't mention her name if it hasn't been released to the media.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 08:35 PM
Case on NG now.

hoppyfrog
08-30-2010, 08:37 PM
I don't know if I am allowed to post this so please let me know. I will delete if instructed to. It is from a news article where a woman comments. She doesn't give her name so can't be sure it is really an ex, but she posted this:

"Being his ex I know he is capable of anything. He put me and my family in danger in Texas. When I learned he was being released I took my kids and left. I knew he would mess up again. He lives in prison, he can't live in the free world. He don't know how."

This is fine to post but it needs a link. Can you please post the link. tia!

Portabella
08-30-2010, 08:43 PM
On NG they are questioning why he was released from Texas Prison and not held pending extradition to N.Carolina.

I am curious why they did not find this warrant the night they searched his home? I am guessing the ball could not have been dropped twice. Either N. Carolina has limited extradition on the warrant or Somehow NCIC did not have it on their system, so when he was checked it did not come up as a "hit". IMHO

Soul125
08-30-2010, 08:45 PM
Still wanting to know why he was running around free if there was a warrant for him. But, if he's caught and has a limited warrant (per prior poster) would the LE still be able to act on it....in someway? TIA

I wonder this myself.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 08:49 PM
Sorry if this has been asked already but has anyone linked a facebook for Adam? I'm a little behind here and want to search more counties if we find out other places of residence and potential marriages and/or criminal or civil cases.

I don't think he's been out of the state of TX since 1991 (at age 18). If so, not for very long.

Shows Robstown, Palacios, Banquette and Weslaco. At least one of those due to having a criminal record.

Soul125
08-30-2010, 08:49 PM
This is fine to post but it needs a link. Can you please post the link. tia!

Sure, here is the link.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/alicia-debolt-murder-case-adam-longoria-taken-custody-2655982.html

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 08:52 PM
I was talking about 1991 and prior.....is this what your referring to? Did you find other charges besides these in the one TX county? Just clarifying here...

He's really one for loss of reasoning in my book and I bet a box of donuts LE had survellience on him and grabbed that parcel before it even left the KS PO. Too, if he was headed to TX he seemed to be going the wrong way. Seems I remember a IL connection too. Logic? Now one of the many reasoning ?'s...Why mail two cowboy hats and a pr of pants to TX? Huh?
Curious, as was another poster, if these were the "party pants"?
As far as the red arms...I think that is just exposure to the elements. Long sleeves being rolled up while working in the sun. Nature's heat along with hot asphalt added to it I think. Besides, he hadn't had any real recent exposure to the hot summer sun in a quite a few years. Prolly some pretty tender lily white skin exposed for the first time in a long time. JMO

ETA: Still wanting to know why he was running around free if there was a warrant for him. But, if he's caught and has a limited warrant (per prior poster) would the LE still be able to act on it....in someway? TIA

He was still 17 in 1991 for first shown arrest in Texas. All from that one county.

Any year prior would be juvenile record, and some states won't show anything, or it will show nothing but sealed. Might be worth checking Wyoming for anything prior.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 08:54 PM
okay, example..... a person is pulled over in Kansas, they are roadside, Kansas dispatch then runs that person, it comes back with a warrant out of Colorado, Joe Blow County..... The dispatch then puts out a "hit confirmation" to Joe Blow County, the NCIC in Joe Blow County goes "Beep Beep Beep". You then have a time limit to verify that hit, cause in the case I am giving as an example the person is literally roadside. The officer then does his magic from Joe Blow County and see's a hard copy of the warrant and verifies it. Are their any special notes, Ah.... limited extradition, He must live within 100 miles in order to be arrested on that warrant. Wow he is 125 miles from Joe Blow County, you decline the hit. Usually then they call to confirm you are declining the arrest and he is only cited for what ever he is pulled over for in Kansas. They are not to tell him he has a warrant, they are not to tell him its limited extradition, cause that might keep him out of that radius forever. This make any sense yet? I hope this helped

TexasLil
08-30-2010, 09:01 PM
I don't think he's been out of the state of TX since 1991 (at age 18). If so, not for very long.

Shows Robstown, Palacios, Banquette and Weslaco. At least one of those due to having a criminal record.

Did you find the cities on a facebook or myspace? If so can you please link?

TIA

Portabella
08-30-2010, 09:08 PM
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Sure, here is the link.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/alicia-debolt-murder-case-adam-longoria-taken-custody-2655982.html

thanks. IMHO, that would not be his ex wife, at least not the one we know exists. Might be others, perish the thought.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 09:17 PM
Perp walk photo with article.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

One more:

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469860/ag-to-speak-after-court-appearance.html

Few things here.

Six said Longoria has an extensive criminal history, including at least 13 felony convictions. He said four of those convictions were for crimes against a person, including aggravated robbery.

Thirteen felony---felony convictions and four were violence related.

Longoria said authorities told him after questioning last week that he was not being held and could "go as I pleased."



Loved this reasoning for being able to leave town. My paraphrase: "I was pleased to go, your Honor, sorry I stole property and a company vehicle to do it, but the police were searching my house and the media had their camera crews and photograhers there and I just couldn't handle it."

Wonder who he addressed the parcel to? Also, I hope the GF has an aids and STD test done, if not, she'd better.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 09:25 PM
http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2010/aug/28/man-accused-mcdowell-now-person-interest-kansas-ki-ar-353072/

This has some new info I think.....

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Did you find the cities on a facebook or myspace? If so can you please link?

TIA

USSearch.com and/or Intelius.com are ones I use most often, and generally in tandem to double check things. I think I grabbed those off USSearch.

TXHOPE
08-30-2010, 09:35 PM
On Nancy Grace, did anyone else hear that the neighbor said he was introduced to Alicia in Longoria's garage that night? I remember reading or hearing that the neighbor thought he saw her but I didn't know he was introduced to her and knew it was her for a fact. The gf said he was only gone 2 hours but maybe he returned with Alicia and friends and then left again, late. I wonder what time they were seen hanging out in Longoria's garage?

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Oh yea welcome to a teenage boy's life. Have girl friends break up with them or get broken up with = end of life as they know it. They are so emoctional at that age.

He's 24, engaged and has a new baby. The posting on his FB were very disturbing and troubling, imo. He's calling out for help. Since I can't find an addy for him, I'm wondering if he is still living at home or with his GF's parents?

cluciano63
08-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Isn't there a 3 strikes law in Texas? Or a career criminal law or something? Why was this guy ever out of jail? And shouldn't the community get to know what's moving in on their street?? This is sickening to me.

Portabella
08-30-2010, 09:45 PM
I heard that too on NG, where he said he was introduced to her.
Did anyone else catch it on NG where AL said that her 19 year old boyfriend had him text her or something to that effect to state their was a party?
Why did they only show those clips in a collage of sorts, never saw them before, and cannot find them in their entirety.....

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 09:52 PM
He was still 17 in 1991 for first shown arrest in Texas. All from that one county.

Any year prior would be juvenile record, and some states won't show anything, or it will show nothing but sealed. Might be worth checking Wyoming for anything prior.

LOL....I guess I'd better sharpen my math skills. Sorry AOT. :blushing:

Thanks again for all the info.

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 10:00 PM
LOL....I guess I'd better sharpen my math skills. Sorry AOT. :blushing:

Thanks again for all the info.

Doesn't mean he didn't start earlier. My bet he was in trouble by the time he hit early double digits.

This guy couldn't live straight if his life depended on it, which now, it may well.

No apparent unpaid access to WY court records, at least none I can find. Have to sign up for pay service (at 8 cents a page for dockets), and I'm honestly not that interested. Have seen enough to know he is a bad seed.

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 10:24 PM
Isn't there a 3 strikes law in Texas? Or a career criminal law or something? Why was this guy ever out of jail? And shouldn't the community get to know what's moving in on their street?? This is sickening to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law

The following states have enacted three strike laws:
In 1974: Texas[4]
In 1993: Washington
In 1994: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, North Dakota
In 1995: Arkansas, Georgia, Maryland, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin
In 1996: Florida, Tennessee, Virginia.

hopingicanhelp
08-30-2010, 10:24 PM
Please read post pulled from Thread #1

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5564008&postcount=587

To save you time, I was basically just asking what you can tell us about the Great Bend airport, hangars, storage buildings, etc in the airport area. Are they easily accessible, hidden...?

TIA!!:waitasec:

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 10:31 PM
http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2010/aug/28/man-accused-mcdowell-now-person-interest-kansas-ki-ar-353072/

This has some new info I think.....

That's right....he was charged in TX. Making call on cell phone smuggled in to prison....and the act was committed there? He was charged....in TX..couldn't they hold him or something until he faced those? Sorry, not legal smart here.

From your link: In February, 2009, Detective (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/position/tags/detective/) Kevin Fineberg (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/kevin-fineberg/) of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/organization/tags/mcdowell-county-sheriffs-office/) charged Longoria (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/adam-joseph-longoria/) with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/company/tags/marion/) Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

hopingicanhelp
08-30-2010, 10:43 PM
(I read this incorrectly, but I am just throwing my 2-cents in)

This was/is reckless parenting.

The status quo of "You should be married and your children should have a father" doesn't help ALL cases. It should be noted, some women are smart (like another poster here once said) and value their children MORE than than the status quo.

JMO, of course. I feel for those children more than the "heartbroken" girlfriend.

:toast:

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again!

From personal experience, I can tell you that NO father is better than a jack**s. It's not my experience alone. I look around and see the same situation with various, minute differences. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, so I am not trying to offend anyone that has found love after children, divorce, death of spouse, etc...

But me, personally? Should I ever divorce or become widowed, I will NOT bring a stepdaddy into my children's lives while they are still living under my roof. I just don't understand! Are there not grandfathers, uncles, cousins, teachers, coaches, etc that they can expose their kids to? I'm not saying kids don't "need" fathers or trying to downplay their role at all. I'm saying that if that is the card you are dealt, it does not mean the mother needs to run out and find a "daddy"...there are other avenues.

And to top it all off, let's find a "daddy" in prison?|!|?!?|!?!?!?!?!?|!?

I know mothers are entitled to their happiness, but for God's sake! You won't have your kids thisclose forever! Be a mom now and someone's lover later! Or at the very least, date outside the home, away from your kids, until your kids are grown and out of the house. It just sickens me how many kids see a revolving door of "daddies" and "uncles"...:furious:

Get a sitter and go out but leave it at the door and don't bring it in the home! Kids need a safe place that is theirs and they need to know they come before romance!

Ok, getting off my soapbox...:banghead:

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 10:44 PM
Doesn't mean he didn't start earlier. My bet he was in trouble by the time he hit early double digits.

This guy couldn't live straight if his life depended on it, which now, it may well.

No apparent unpaid access to WY court records, at least none I can find. Have to sign up for pay service (at 8 cents a page for dockets), and I'm honestly not that interested. Have seen enough to know he is a bad seed.

Bet he lied to his parents, teachers, and exxagerated his tales to his buddies....even as a child.

sherbetjello
08-30-2010, 10:46 PM
Transcripts from tonights Nancy Grace
http://www.livedash.com/transcript/nancy_grace/50/HLN/Monday_August_30_2010/287162/


Six 'confident murder charges will be filed' in teen's death
http://dailyme.com/story/2010083000003617/confident-murder-charges-filed-teens-death.html

Some really mean and uncalled for stuff going on here tonight. Please, help me flag if you can

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alicias-Story/155025607840910?v=wall&story_fbid=154618041222458

anyoldtime48
08-30-2010, 10:58 PM
That's right....he was charged in TX. Making call on cell phone smuggled in to prison....and the act was committed there? He was charged....in TX..couldn't they hold him or something until he faced those? Sorry, not legal smart here.

From your link: In February, 2009, Detective (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/position/tags/detective/) Kevin Fineberg (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/kevin-fineberg/) of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/organization/tags/mcdowell-county-sheriffs-office/) charged Longoria (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/adam-joseph-longoria/) with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/company/tags/marion/) Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

I believe the charges are in NC? They just haven't MOVED on those yet, but I bet they are scrambling now.

Kat
08-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Transcripts from tonights Nancy Grace
http://www.livedash.com/transcript/nancy_grace/50/HLN/Monday_August_30_2010/287162/


Six 'confident murder charges will be filed' in teen's death
http://dailyme.com/story/2010083000003617/confident-murder-charges-filed-teens-death.html

Some really mean and uncalled for stuff going on here tonight. Please, help me flag if you can

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alicias-Story/155025607840910?v=wall&story_fbid=154618041222458

Snipped from Sherbie's MSM Link above:

He said Longoria also has a pending case in North Carolina in which he is charged with calling in threats to an elementary school

I wonder why NC didn't go to pick him up when he got out of prison? They do that don't they? Just curious.

This particular quote struck me as kind of funny (haha not odd):

Longoria said authorities told him after questioning last week that he was not being held and could "go as I pleased."

Yes Adam you weren't being held but going as you pleased didn't mean stealing a truck to do it. Lordy.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:09 PM
I was talking about 1991 and prior.....is this what your referring to? Did you find other charges besides these in the one TX county? Just clarifying here...

He's really one for loss of reasoning in my book and I bet a box of donuts LE had survellience on him and grabbed that parcel before it even left the KS PO. Too, if he was headed to TX he seemed to be going the wrong way. Seems I remember a IL connection too. Logic? Now one of the many reasoning ?'s...Why mail two cowboy hats and a pr of pants to TX? Huh?
Curious, as was another poster, if these were the "party pants"?
As far as the red arms...I think that is just exposure to the elements. Long sleeves being rolled up while working in the sun. Nature's heat along with hot asphalt added to it I think. Besides, he hadn't had any real recent exposure to the hot summer sun in a quite a few years. Prolly some pretty tender lily white skin exposed for the first time in a long time. JMO

ETA: Still wanting to know why he was running around free if there was a warrant for him. But, if he's caught and has a limited warrant (per prior poster) would the LE still be able to act on it....in someway? TIA

In regards to the way he was traveling - if he was not from this area, and it doesn't sound like his is, he probably didn't know what small highways to take to remain undetected. The way he was traveling makes sense to me, only because I imagine he was going up Hwy 156 from GB to I-70. After he would have gotten on I-70, I suspect he would have taken the I-135 Interstate South to Texas. Salina, KS is where the 2 Interstates connect for N/S & E/W travel. Pretty stupid if you ask me though, to take the main interstate when you are in a stolen vehicle.

What I don't understand is where was he from the time he stole the vehicle between 1a-2a and when he was arrested shortly before 12pm. It would only be a 90min drive from GB to Salina. This makes me question where he mailed the personal belongings? The article states "Six said Longoria, who was released from a Texas prison in May, had some personal items, including clothing, mailed to Texas around the time authorities say he stole a car from his employer and left Great Bend". Unless he just put a bunch of stamps on the package & put it in the post office box, that he would have to go somewhere in person to ship it. There would be no place in GB until at least 8am open to do that. So, that makes me wonder if he went to another town along his route to mail it, which would make up for some of the time he was out and about. I'm just so confused by all his actions. It appears he can't function in the outside world (like the ex said) and maybe he was looking for a way to get back to prison life.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:20 PM
Here in IL, a simple search of the IDOC website, which you can search by name, or inmate number, etc. would reveal ALL charges which have not been discharged (thus including time out on parole). If that info is not readily available in KS, I'll rescind my annoyance with apologies to the GF, but IMO when you move a man into your home with your kids, you do a careful check on him...already knowing he had been incarcerated, you do a (imo) background check!! (Or don't do it, but that is neither here nor there)

Last complaint I promise.
Longoria's GF saying that her son saw him as a 'father figure' when they have only known each other for such a short time, even INCLUDING his incarcerated days, is sickening. IMO, kids shouldn't even meet a parent's BF/GF until the relationship is solid and 'for sure' going to last, or as sure as one can be. To have men/women jump into and out of the life of a child is cruel. To bring a man, potentially dangerous as a convicted felon, without doing a careful verification of his rap sheet, is idiocy IMO. A quickie check of his charges could have proven him a liar prior to him moving in (she says she was not informed of his full criminal background, IOW, he shaved off a few charges).

Sorry to ramble, just wanted to share what I know and ramble a bit. :blushing::blushing:
I

Just wanted to say that KS does have an way to search for offenders in the system. I use it quite frequently. And certain counties (usually the larger ones) have their inmate records online and you can see their info. Barton Co. does not, which doesn't surprise me b/c of how small it is.

I 100% agree that the GF should have done a background check on him before moving this habitual offender in with her 2 kids. If she was single and had no kids, I could care less what she does. But when you are a parent, you HAVE to put your kids 1st, no matter what. I really hope LE has talked to these kids and asked them about abuse. It really scares me that she had a young daughter.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 11:33 PM
I believe the charges are in NC? They just haven't MOVED on those yet, but I bet they are scrambling now.

The detective charged him in TX, because the act was committed in TX even tho the call was received in NC. He wasn't in NC when the call was made. Maybe they both, TX and NC, charged him?????

From your link: In February, 2009, Detective (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/position/tags/detective/) Kevin Fineberg (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/kevin-fineberg/) of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/organization/tags/mcdowell-county-sheriffs-office/) charged Longoria (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/adam-joseph-longoria/) with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/company/tags/marion/) Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

Nancy was right, it's a different ball game when you have an adult do this carp. I think he is very emotionally immature, and prolly one of the reasons he reasons the way he does and the decisions he makes. Did you get that? ...sort of scrambled.

hollyblue
08-30-2010, 11:42 PM
Transcripts from tonights Nancy Grace
http://www.livedash.com/transcript/nancy_grace/50/HLN/Monday_August_30_2010/287162/


Six 'confident murder charges will be filed' in teen's death
http://dailyme.com/story/2010083000003617/confident-murder-charges-filed-teens-death.html

Some really mean and uncalled for stuff going on here tonight. Please, help me flag if you can

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alicias-Story/155025607840910?v=wall&story_fbid=154618041222458

Pat Brown has this one nailed. Both on NG and Levi's program. She said AD's jeans were pulled half off, only one leg in them with the shoe; she thinks AD was assaulted in the SUV.
NG & Jane Casarez discussed the called in bomb threat. I'll catch it on the go around again and see if I can hear anything on the two questions ask...if they are not in the transcripts and only as a lead in. (collage). I personally hate that and then when they show maps or text quoting people and don't leave it up long enough for you to read or comprehend.:crazy: Sometimes I think someone from the program reads WS, because they say exactly what we have posted. :)

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:48 PM
Please read post pulled from Thread #1

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5564008&postcount=587

To save you time, I was basically just asking what you can tell us about the Great Bend airport, hangars, storage buildings, etc in the airport area. Are they easily accessible, hidden...?

TIA!!:waitasec:

I don't know much about the GB airport, but here is the info I found. All I personally know is that it's a very small airport, I'm pretty sure they are still doing 1 "puddle jumper" flight from GB to Denver daily. There is the main part of the building where people would go to check-in/arrive.

It appears on google map there are only a handful of hangars, possibly 6-8. There are other buildings near the property as well, but I can't tell if they are airport regulated or privately owned. I know where I live, we have the same type of small airport (well, even smaller) and there are many people that own their own planes in town that have privately owned hangars. All of those are locked down and secured independently. But I'd imagine if anyone was in the hangar area, they'd have access to all the buildings, just not inside of them. I don't know what type of fencing there is around the GB airport, but here the fence is very small and I could imagine it'd be very easy to gain access.

According to the GB airport website, the hours of operation are 0630-1800. They are a 24hr fueling center, but it is by credit card only, so it doesn't appear there is anyone working at night overseeing the premises.

Here is the link I referenced from: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KGBD

wasnt_me
08-30-2010, 11:51 PM
Some really mean and uncalled for stuff going on here tonight. Please, help me flag if you can

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alicias-Story/155025607840910?v=wall&story_fbid=154618041222458

Geez, I must have flagged a dozen comments already. Still trucking, because these little kids need to get kicked off FB.

ksnurse
08-30-2010, 11:52 PM
Pat Brown has this one nailed. Both on NG and Levi's program. She said AD's jeans were pulled half off, only one leg in them with the shoe; she thinks AD was assaulted in the SUV.
NG & Jane Casarez discussed the called in bomb threat. I'll catch it on the go around again and see if I can hear anything on the two questions ask...if they are not in the transcripts and only as a lead in. (collage). I personally hate that and then when they show maps or text quoting people and don't leave it up long enough for you to read or comprehend.:crazy: Sometimes I think someone from the program reads WS, because they say exactly what we have posted. :)

This goes along with what I've heard. I honestly think there were other people in the SUV that were with AL from his party when he picked her up. :sick:

Portabella
08-31-2010, 12:00 AM
Geez, I must have flagged a dozen comments already. Still trucking, because these little kids need to get kicked off FB.

From my searching, found a page opened in AL name, and all on his friends list are the culprits doing and saying all the horrible things, flagged them all methodically one by one. Also, flagged the pictures. I have to tell you they are not only defiling the Alicia pages, they are targeting memorial pages of others too.

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 12:03 AM
In regards to the way he was traveling - if he was not from this area, and it doesn't sound like his is, he probably didn't know what small highways to take to remain undetected. The way he was traveling makes sense to me, only because I imagine he was going up Hwy 156 from GB to I-70. After he would have gotten on I-70, I suspect he would have taken the I-135 Interstate South to Texas. Salina, KS is where the 2 Interstates connect for N/S & E/W travel. Pretty stupid if you ask me though, to take the main interstate when you are in a stolen vehicle.

What I don't understand is where was he from the time he stole the vehicle between 1a-2a and when he was arrested shortly before 12pm. It would only be a 90min drive from GB to Salina. This makes me question where he mailed the personal belongings? The article states "Six said Longoria, who was released from a Texas prison in May, had some personal items, including clothing, mailed to Texas around the time authorities say he stole a car from his employer and left Great Bend". Unless he just put a bunch of stamps on the package & put it in the post office box, that he would have to go somewhere in person to ship it. There would be no place in GB until at least 8am open to do that. So, that makes me wonder if he went to another town along his route to mail it, which would make up for some of the time he was out and about. I'm just so confused by all his actions. It appears he can't function in the outside world (like the ex said) and maybe he was looking for a way to get back to prison life.


Not the brightest bulb in the room, huh.

Good question. Where was he all those hours? Stopped for a bite to eat and then pulled off somewhere to take a napper? I guess I owe a box a donuts, because if they had him under surveillance, he surely got by them. Wonder why they didn't? And was it normal for him to go to work at 2 AM? I highly doubt it.

ksnurse, could you answer the question I posed re: Venture Corp? There is a link in the #5 post on the first page of this thread. Thank you, if you would I'm grateful. Trying to fine tune the map.

wasnt_me
08-31-2010, 12:25 AM
From my searching, found a page opened in AL name, and all on his friends list are the culprits doing and saying all the horrible things, flagged them all methodically one by one. Also, flagged the pictures. I have to tell you they are not only defiling the Alicia pages, they are targeting memorial pages of others too.

they took down one of the memorial pages.

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 12:52 AM
The detective charged him in TX, because the act was committed in TX even tho the call was received in NC. He wasn't in NC when the call was made. Maybe they both, TX and NC, charged him?????

From your link: In February, 2009, Detective (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/position/tags/detective/) Kevin Fineberg (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/kevin-fineberg/) of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/organization/tags/mcdowell-county-sheriffs-office/) charged Longoria (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/person/tags/adam-joseph-longoria/) with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion (http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/topics/types/company/tags/marion/) Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

Nancy was right, it's a different ball game when you have an adult do this carp. I think he is very emotionally immature, and prolly one of the reasons he reasons the way he does and the decisions he makes. Did you get that? ...sort of scrambled.

McDowell County is in NC, not TX. Note The McDowell News logo top left of page. Think this was all discussed a couple days ago?? IIRC

In February, 2009, Detective Kevin Fineberg of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office charged Longoria with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

Longoria has been charged with making two false bomb reports. His cases in McDowell are still pending.

http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2010/aug/28/man-accused-mcdowell-now-person-interest-kansas-ki-ar-353072/

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 01:16 AM
McDowell County is in NC, not TX. Note The McDowell News logo top left of page. Think this was all discussed a couple days ago?? IIRC

In February, 2009, Detective Kevin Fineberg of the McDowell County Sheriff's Office charged Longoria with phoning in a bomb threat to Marion Elementary and Glenwood Elementary the month before.

Longoria has been charged with making two false bomb reports. His cases in McDowell are still pending.

http://www2.mcdowellnews.com/news/2010/aug/28/man-accused-mcdowell-now-person-interest-kansas-ki-ar-353072/

OK bedtime.....I'm clearly not up to spark tonight. ;) Was thinking the county was in Tx. Goodnight all.

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 01:53 AM
OK bedtime.....I'm clearly not up to spark tonight. ;) Was thinking the county was in Tx. Goodnight all.

One more link, although it still doesn't clarify what NC plans to do about that warrant. My guess is nothing unless this POS walks from current charges and/or isn't charged with homicide.

Then maybe they will be up for extradition to NC? Meanwhile, seems almost pointless. So long as Kansas keeps him in their orange and white stripes.

Six said Longoria also has a warrant out for his arrest from Marion, North Carolina, for allegedly calling in threats to an elementary school.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

mahoneys07
08-31-2010, 01:55 AM
Adam Longoria not only has a lengthy criminal history in Texas, he was also stabbed 28 times by two fellow inmates in a Texas prison for being a "snitch," according to U.S. Court of Appeals documents.


http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

CRIMINAL HISTORY: Adam Longoria has served time in Texas for nine convictions: Unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, sentenced to five years in 1991 in Nueces County; residential burglary, sentenced to five years in 1991 in Nueces County; burglary of a building, sentenced to five years in 1991 in Nueces County;forgery, sentenced to five years in 1991 in Nueces County; credit-card abuse, sentenced to five years in 1991 in Nueces County (1991 convictions ran concurrent); credit-card abuse, sentenced to two years in 1997 in Nueces County; escape, sentenced to three years in 1999 in Nueces County; evading arrest with a motor vehicle, sentenced to seven years in 2004 in Nueces County; robbery, sentenced to seven years in 2004 in Nueces County. Source: Texas Department of Criminal Justice

mahoneys07
08-31-2010, 01:57 AM
http://www.hutchnews.com/Obituaries/DeBolt--Alicia---3

OBIT^

claudicici
08-31-2010, 06:29 AM
:sick: I am speechless..

Portabella
08-31-2010, 07:33 AM
Mahoney, that case law said oodles about AL and how his mind works. Thank you for posting, gave much insight.

Now I am curious to see if he gets a lawyer or if he tries to represent himself, he seem to just know it all.... and Manipulative .... Oh boy

Patty G
08-31-2010, 08:33 AM
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

I thought I read that the Longoria that was stabbed etc., is not the same Longoria associated to Alicia. IIRC, the Longoria that was stabbed etc, is in his late 40's and possibly still in jail.

Kimster
08-31-2010, 09:00 AM
Please discuss the Westboro group here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

There is a thread in the private forum because we don't want to give them any more publicity than they already have. :furious:

Let's keep our focus here on Alicia DeBolt ~ may justice be swift!!!

mahoneys07
08-31-2010, 10:45 AM
I thought I read that the Longoria that was stabbed etc., is not the same Longoria associated to Alicia. IIRC, the Longoria that was stabbed etc, is in his late 40's and possibly still in jail.

I am just going on MSM reporting...I do remember us looking but I don't remember anyone ever being 100% positive about whether it was him or not. I assumed this confirmed it was?

TexasLil
08-31-2010, 10:56 AM
I thought I read that the Longoria that was stabbed etc., is not the same Longoria associated to Alicia. IIRC, the Longoria that was stabbed etc, is in his late 40's and possibly still in jail.

There is another Longoria (45 yo hispanic male) in prison in Texas for child molestation committed in 2002 in Harris county. You can do a name search here but warning... the search engine is deathly slow. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/offender_information.htm#General

Per the article below TDCJ has confirmed the Longoria stabbed at Telford is the same as the suspect in Alicia's murder. Hope this helps.

"Jason Clark, public information officer with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, confirmed Longoria was the inmate stabbed in the case. He also confirmed Longoria served time for numerous convictions from Nueces County, Texas, including escape, evading arrest and robbery, before completing his sentence May 25."

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

oviedo
08-31-2010, 11:02 AM
I am just going on MSM reporting...I do remember us looming but I don't remember anyone ever being 100% positive about whether it was him or not. I assumed this confirmed it was?

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2
snipped
Longoria stabbed during one prison stay
By Darcy Gray - The Hutchinson News - dgray@hutchnews.com

Adam Longoria not only has a lengthy criminal history in Texas, he was also stabbed 28 times by two fellow inmates in a Texas prison for being a "snitch," according to U.S. Court of Appeals documents.

TexasLil
08-31-2010, 01:06 PM
GREAT BEND, Kan. (CBS/KWCH) Kansas Attorney General Steve Six told reporters outside a District Court Monday that he is "confident murder charges will be filed," in the tragic death of Kansas teenager Alicia DeBolt, according to The Wichita Eagle.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20015171-504083.html

Soul125
08-31-2010, 01:55 PM
This goes along with what I've heard. I honestly think there were other people in the SUV that were with AL from his party when he picked her up. :sick:

I have thought about this a great deal myself. I thought his GF stated that he left alone to pick up a friend at 11pm. Also, I thought that somebody would have come forth considering that most people probably assume AL will be charged by now. If he is charged and others are involved, I can't see him not spilling on others if they aren't already suspected. God help us if others are indeed involved.:burn:

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 02:13 PM
There is another Longoria (45 yo hispanic male) in prison in Texas for child molestation committed in 2002 in Harris county. You can do a name search here but warning... the search engine is deathly slow. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/offender_information.htm#General

Per the article below TDCJ has confirmed the Longoria stabbed at Telford is the same as the suspect in Alicia's murder. Hope this helps.

"Jason Clark, public information officer with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, confirmed Longoria was the inmate stabbed in the case. He also confirmed Longoria served time for numerous convictions from Nueces County, Texas, including escape, evading arrest and robbery, before completing his sentence May 25."

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2

I think in one of the videos yesterday of the perp walk, they talked about the scars on the back of his neck. He truly doesn't know how to live in soiciety does he? Maybe he is mentally handicap? Please don't jump on me for saying that, what he did was horrific and he needs to be put away. Just saying his reasoning and decision skills are just off the chart.
I really wish we had more background info on him....family background, etc.
Surely the girlfriend was aware of the claim against him for the $800+.
Taking the children to a bar and grill for "babysitting" is not my expresssion of "a good fatherly figure"!!! Those poor babies, were they made to set there or were they running around and interacting with God knows who or WHAT. JMO

Thanks for the article txlil.

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 02:24 PM
GREAT BEND, Kan. (CBS/KWCH) Kansas Attorney General Steve Six told reporters outside a District Court Monday that he is "confident murder charges will be filed," in the tragic death of Kansas teenager Alicia DeBolt, according to The Wichita Eagle.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20015171-504083.html


Yes, and in the not too distant future, if IIRC.

Longoria has not been charged or named a suspect in connection with DeBolt's murder, but investigators continue "pursue all leads," according to Six, who told reporters Monday that he believed murder charges would be filed "in the not too distant future," reports The Wichita Eagle (http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469860/ag-to-speak-after-court-appearance.html)

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 02:36 PM
I have thought about this a great deal myself. I thought his GF stated that he left alone to pick up a friend at 11pm. Also, I thought that somebody would have come forth considering that most people probably assume AL will be charged by now. If he is charged and others are involved, I can't see him not spilling on others if they aren't already suspected. God help us if others are indeed involved.:burn:

I'm beginning to think there may not be any other's involved. Simply for the statements the AG made yesterday in PC. When ask if there were more people involved, he replied the investigation was still "open", but I just didn't get the feeling they were looking hard at anyone else. Maybe it's because I think if she was gang raped, they would have stripped her of the those jeans and shoes. Gangs normally don't rape in an asphalt pit. He took her somewhere comfortable to him and did his dirty deed. I think he was trying to put the blame on IR or others....and I wouldn't believe one breath of utterance from this guy. All MOO, and of course, I could be wrong.

Kat
08-31-2010, 03:07 PM
http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/Longoria-background--2
snipped
Longoria stabbed during one prison stay
By Darcy Gray - The Hutchinson News - dgray@hutchnews.com

Adam Longoria not only has a lengthy criminal history in Texas, he was also stabbed 28 times by two fellow inmates in a Texas prison for being a "snitch," according to U.S. Court of Appeals documents.

http://www.loislaw.com/ogpc/login.htp?WSRet=12&dockey=19990215@F5CASE&OLDURL=/gpc/index.htp&OLDREFURL=http%3A//news.google.com/archivesearch%3Fq%3D%2522Adam%2BLongoria%2522%26sc oring%3Da%26sa%3DN%26start%3D0

only a snippet, we would have to purchase the doc I think.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1267639.html

Another:
http://openjurist.org/473/f3d/586/longoria-v-texas


I'm sorry but I'm still not convinced this is the one and the same man. Because the MSM article states they took their info from the court case.

This AL doesn't strike me as being a gang member, especially not the Texas Syndicate. They are some serious gang members. Tougher than any other Gang members I've ever seen, I could be very wrong but his criminal history doesn't look like what a TS members rap sheet should look like. They usually have far more violent crimes and more than likely not they have murder convictions. That paricular gang, scares the jebus out of me. Especially when I lived in EP. I was very careful not to go into areas where they were known to frequent.

Just wanted to add that. He may very well have been a gang member and under the radar. I'm still holding out a bit until I see LE state he is the one and the same.

Kat
08-31-2010, 03:17 PM
Just FYI in case AL is a member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Syndicate

Members almost always (I've never heard of one that didn't) have the TS tattoo displayed on their body in a place that can be easily seen, or they will have the TS that takes up a very large portion of a body part (entire back).

Very very scary gang. They don't play, they don't do drive-bys. They are more assasins and organized crime in and out of prison. :eek:

Soul125
08-31-2010, 03:25 PM
Just FYI in case AL is a member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Syndicate

Members almost always (I've never heard of one that didn't) have the TS tattoo displayed on their body in a place that can be easily seen, or they will have the TS that takes up a very large portion of a body part (entire back).

Very very scary gang. They don't play, they don't do drive-bys. They are more assasins and organized crime in and out of prison. :eek:

Prison gangs are no joke for sure. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if AL was once a member since he has basically lived his entire adult life in prison. Prison is probably more of a home for him than living outside at this point.

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 04:02 PM
Just FYI in case AL is a member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Syndicate

Members almost always (I've never heard of one that didn't) have the TS tattoo displayed on their body in a place that can be easily seen, or they will have the TS that takes up a very large portion of a body part (entire back).

Very very scary gang. They don't play, they don't do drive-bys. They are more assasins and organized crime in and out of prison. :eek:

IDK Kat, seems it was confirmed..per the Hutchinson article:

Jason Clark, public information officer with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, confirmed Longoria was the inmate stabbed in the case. He also confirmed Longoria served time for numerous convictions from Nueces County, Texas, including escape, evading arrest and robbery, before completing his sentence May 25.

Kat
08-31-2010, 04:04 PM
Thanks HollyBlue! I had missed that and that is exactly what I was waiting for!

I appreciate it very much. :blowkiss:

That means this AL was more than likely associated with TS in some way. That is a very scary man :eek:

TexasLil
08-31-2010, 04:07 PM
Just FYI in case AL is a member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Syndicate

Members almost always (I've never heard of one that didn't) have the TS tattoo displayed on their body in a place that can be easily seen, or they will have the TS that takes up a very large portion of a body part (entire back).

Very very scary gang. They don't play, they don't do drive-bys. They are more assasins and organized crime in and out of prison. :eek:

These are some examples of TS tattoos:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=551&pictureid=10927

westsidefox64
08-31-2010, 04:10 PM
im new here Joined yesterday so not sure im doing this right.
Is there anyway to get his DOC# to see if hes the same as the one in the stabbing. Im not sure about any other state but once you have a DOC# in Kansas its your # no matter how many times you are incarserated.

Kat
08-31-2010, 04:21 PM
im new here Joined yesterday so not sure im doing this right.
Is there anyway to get his DOC# to see if hes the same as the one in the stabbing. Im not sure about any other state but once you have a DOC# in Kansas its your # no matter how many times you are incarserated.

Welcome to Websleuths Westsidefox!

I don't think any of us could find his DOC number as of yet. But I may have missed that, because I was working elsewhere on another part of WS for a while.

We couldn't find him listed in the TX inmates search because he was not on probabtion (we have assumed) and not still incarcerated.

Someone else will probably know more than me though!

Just wanted to welcome you :)

kant
08-31-2010, 04:36 PM
Still catching up, but are we here still leaning the same way (same person as before?)

I know criminals can be inherently stupid, but I still cant get my head around the idea that someone [who presumably wanted to get away with the crime] who had had past traceable texting contact with a 14 yr old girl, would harm her, kill her, and leave her body at his place of employment.... unless something made him snap to the max in a rage such that he totally lost it. (And with texting being "worse" for a perp - better for LE obviously - in the sense that, I presume, the exact words can be retrieved as opposed to a phone call which only shows contact without content.)

omg.. so horrific.
_______________________________________________

ETA: on lighter note - Welcome newbs

:-)

TexasLil
08-31-2010, 04:41 PM
im new here Joined yesterday so not sure im doing this right.
Is there anyway to get his DOC# to see if hes the same as the one in the stabbing. Im not sure about any other state but once you have a DOC# in Kansas its your # no matter how many times you are incarserated.

:Welcome-12-june:

kant
08-31-2010, 04:46 PM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3292/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/083010longoriajg1embedd.jpg/)

You are right. His arms are red from the elbows down. Enlarge and you can see it.Forgive me for asking a dense question, but if one were starting a fire... burning something, wouldnt the underside of the arms (the forearms) be the singed side as opposed to the top? perhaps from theoretically reaching, manipulating the fire? (yes, or maybe they are burned, but not visible in the photo.) Or have I not thought this thru?

tia

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 04:47 PM
im new here Joined yesterday so not sure im doing this right.
Is there anyway to get his DOC# to see if hes the same as the one in the stabbing. Im not sure about any other state but once you have a DOC# in Kansas its your # no matter how many times you are incarserated.

10026862???

That is shown as his County SID in is Nueces County records.

I will add that last night, I also initially discounted this is the correct Adam Longoria because I "thought" we had debunked in the day before. But I went back thru the thread, then checked his records again in Nueces for dates, and deleted my post suggesting this wasn't correct (now believe firmly it is).

He went in 6/23/99 on a 55 day sentence in Nueces, but no further criminal activity in that county again until an Assault charge on 9/13/2002, so he COULD have been in the other facility the date mentioned in 2000 (don't have it handy, forgive me). We know he reoffended and was back in Nueces the date of that court proceeding.

The "other" AL is in on a 25-50 in Harris County (near Houston).

Given the media got their information from an official in the TX prison system, I have to think they got it right.

I was not able to find any online records (free at least) for any other counties in TX in question.

You can go here to sign up (free) to access Nueces. Link to criminal records search is on the left, right below "District Clerk (Home)".

Requires you give them your name, email and phone number. Virtually instant password sent to you.

http://www.co.nueces.tx.us/districtclerk/

Hope that helps!

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 04:53 PM
Still catching up, but are we here still leaning the same way (same person as before?)

I know criminals can be inherently stupid, but I still cant get my head around the idea that someone [who presumably wanted to get away with the crime] who had had past traceable texting contact with a 14 yr old girl, would harm her, kill her, and leave her body at this place of employment.... unless something made him snap to the max in a rage such that he totally lost it. (And with texting being "worse" for a perp - better for LE obviously - in the sense that, I presume, the exact words can be retrieved as opposed to a phone call which only shows contact without content.)

omg.. so horrific.

ETA: Welcome newbs

:-)

I certainly wish we had a timeline of the party, what time the neighbor thinks he saw her, the time of these texts, etc. LE surely has gained access to many cell phone records. I wonder if he and gf had a computer? I'm sure AD's computer will be or has been forensically search. Wish the reporters doing these interviews of locals would be a little more inquisitive. Like how when AD met the couple and was close enough to be invited to the BD party, when they interviewed her. Seems the whole interview was about her and her "love interest".....nothing re: AD and them. JMO

somewhereinkansas
08-31-2010, 05:02 PM
"Adam Joseph Longoria, the 36-year-old Great Bend man and person of interest in the Alicia DeBolt disappearance and death"
http://www.gbtribune.com/

Just wanted to say he is named a POI. Today they have people out walking the ditch along the highway, not far from pit. I looked really close and I didnt see any fence, but the one around the cemetery.
MOO

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 05:16 PM
For anybody who might be interested in the Astro chart on AJL, it can be found here. Note that by TOS it can't be discussed in this thread, so this is informational only.

Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - Page 34 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

kseal07
08-31-2010, 05:27 PM
Anybody have the ng transcript from last night? I hadn't heard that her jeans were partially off.

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 05:29 PM
This article has info re: inurnment. I had thought the funeral was on hold:

The service will be at 10 a.m. Friday at the First Assembly of God in Great Bend. The Rev. Kyle Ermoian will officiate. A private family inurnment will take place after the service.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/31/1471506/services-set-for-alicia-debolt.html

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 05:57 PM
Anybody have the ng transcript from last night? I hadn't heard that her jeans were partially off.

Link in this post.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #2

ETA: Link to Levi Page's discussion last night. Click on blog talk radio in the rh corner.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

passionflower
08-31-2010, 06:04 PM
This article has info re: inurnment. I had thought the funeral was on hold:

The service will be at 10 a.m. Friday at the First Assembly of God in Great Bend. The Rev. Kyle Ermoian will officiate. A private family inurnment will take place after the service.

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/31/1471506/services-set-for-alicia-debolt.html

So Sad.
Good to be private because of all these church people.
Family needs to mourn.
LE must have all the evidence they need to release her body.

cathdawg
08-31-2010, 06:44 PM
I think that Alicia was wearing jean shorts, sneakers and a hoodie went she went missing.

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/alicia-d-debolt

AnnieOakley
08-31-2010, 08:14 PM
From my searching, found a page opened in AL name, and all on his friends list are the culprits doing and saying all the horrible things, flagged them all methodically one by one. Also, flagged the pictures. I have to tell you they are not only defiling the Alicia pages, they are targeting memorial pages of others too.

Thank you for taking the time to find and flag these creeps...
.:blowkiss:

Patty G
08-31-2010, 08:30 PM
Has anyone seen in MSM indicating that Alicia's jeans were pulled off? I know that NG stated this but I didn't see this information anywhere else.

Portabella
08-31-2010, 09:30 PM
So, I had to drive today to my doctor today for over two hundred miles and I do my best thinking when sleeping and driving.

Got this thought, perhaps AD went to an earlier gathering at AL house in the garage. During the daytime, the gathering of his friends that he has alleged he had. At that time he may have set up to meet her after he took his "wife" to supper. He texted her to let her know he was ready, telling his "wife" he had to run to work for a bit. He then went to pick her up. As most teens are not always angels, she may have fabricated that she was being picked up by the nineteen year old as to not get questioned by Mom, stating she would be home by Midnight. AL then picked her up to hang out as earlier arranged and he took her to a dark spot at his place of work. He was thinking that "she wanted him" as he does not think like an average man having been incarcerated most of his adult life, he would be sexually/mentally stopped at what ever age he went in. (esp. if our guesses are correct that he has been in and out since seventeen or so). AD may have been enamored with him, but not sexually, just with the thought that this older man, attractive bad boy showed her special attention (grooming). So she went to have a beer or to talk. He made his move, had some liquid courage and things got totally out of hand. He may have taken it too far and then panicked, after the sexual/violent act, he may have felt the surge of panic, she could talk and take away his home, his freedom and he could lose all. In this state he could finish what he started taking her life. Now he has to dispose of her, but how. He has his "wifes" SUV, he does not want to leave blood evidence in her vehicle as he knows he will be looked at. He cannot carry her out, he could get caught or attract attention from the semi truck traffic that drives the highway at that hour. What to do, again in his mental immature state, he thinks, and comes up with a fast plan under immense pressure as he had to return home soon. He gets some accelerant from work that he knows that they use, and once the body is burning to his satisfaction he leaves it in hopes all evidence (seminal fluid and blood) will burn with it. He returns home. I believe AD lost her shoe either when this sexual advance gone wrong in the SUV happened, or when she tried to run. I think they will find the shoe either along the roadway between his house and the job, or within a short distance of where the crime occured at his place of business. I think he did this alone. I think that he is saying that the nineteen year old had him call her to drive her to a party as perhaps this was mentioned to him earlier from the nineteen year old or maybe not, but either way he is trying to deflect from himself and towards IR. I am almost betting his shoes from that night have been disposed of, his pants were washed and are the ones on the way to texas via USPS and I also think that at the gathering earlier that he may have been wearing a cowboy hat and she put it on, he is trying to cover his tracks in a primitive uneducated manner. I think that others know that he flirts with the young girls and I think that she perhaps has confided in a friend about him before. I think perhaps she met him either through this nineteen year old, or perhaps she babysat or tutored one of the kids. I think his "wife" will hold some of the keys to this investigation as I caught on NG where the "wife" intercepted some of his texts from AD and asked him to tell her to stop texting for rides. There were obviously some suspicion on her part before this. I think entirely too much when I drive and sleep, but this really seems to fit. IMHO
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hollyblue
08-31-2010, 10:12 PM
Good theory Portabella. They say you do your best thinking standing up, but I think that was before the car. LOL I'm the same way..or when ironing. Hope things went well at doc's.

Good point on the cowboy hat, did I read somewhere he had mailed boots too? Can't recall exactly. I too think they may be looking for her shoe or maybe some kind of weapon, accelerant can, beer can, etc. along the highway. Although, he may have used a weapon, I think he either strangled or beat her to death. I'm betting they have her DNA....hair, fibers and such from the SUV. I think he prolly felt he deserved to be paid for all the favors he may have done for her. Beer, drugs, or the rides. She rejects and the rest is now a homicide case. He was buying rounds at the bar for his work mates, so he may have been buying her and others little things to also keep them around. Spot on with the texting her, story it was the 19 yr old bf telling him to, he's trying to dump the blame on him. Since when does a 19 yr old male not have their cell with them 24/7? Curious if the 19 yr old drives a blk SUV or was the gf's SUV volunteered....I doubt it.

I found this article, don't know how accurate, and it's apparently translated, since the gender info is off....as is common. Little hard to read, but I found some things interesting.

http://www.thecnnnews.com/alicia-debolt/

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 10:40 PM
Good theory Portabella. They say you do your best thinking standing up, but I think that was before the car. LOL I'm the same way..or when ironing. Hope things went well at doc's.

Good point on the cowboy hat, did I read somewhere he had mailed boots too? Can't recall exactly. I too think they may be looking for her shoe or maybe some kind of weapon, accelerant can, beer can, etc. along the highway. Although, he may have used a weapon, I think he either strangled or beat her to death. I'm betting they have her DNA....hair, fibers and such from the SUV. I think he prolly felt he deserved to be paid for all the favors he may have done for her. Beer, drugs, or the rides. She rejects and the rest is now a homicide case. He was buying rounds at the bar for his work mates, so he may have been buying her and others little things to also keep them around. Spot on with the texting her, story it was the 19 yr old bf telling him to, he's trying to dump the blame on him. Since when does a 19 yr old male not have their cell with them 24/7? Curious if the 19 yr old drives a blk SUV or was the gf's SUV volunteered....I doubt it.

I found this article, don't know how accurate, and it's apparently translated, since the gender info is off....as is common. Little hard to read, but I found some things interesting.

http://www.thecnnnews.com/alicia-debolt/

two cowboy hats and pair of pants is what was reported.

Question is, WHO did he mail those to, and do they contain DNA or other evidence?

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-longoria-court,0,6783697.story

anyoldtime48
08-31-2010, 10:57 PM
A general timeline of the case, not update since Aug 29, and not a lot of use on what happened on the 21st, up until the time she left her home.

Useful for anybody jumping in new or catching up.

Media folks, if you are reading our stuff, we'd sure love some timeline of Aug 21 prior to 11pm. Might not be a lot available, but inquiring minds would still love to know.

http://www.gbtribune.com/news.php?id=4298

mahoneys07
08-31-2010, 11:12 PM
So, I had to drive today to my doctor today for over two hundred miles and I do my best thinking when sleeping and driving.

Got this thought, perhaps AD went to an earlier gathering at AL house in the garage. During the daytime, the gathering of his friends that he has alleged he had. At that time he may have set up to meet her after he took his "wife" to supper. He texted her to let her know he was ready, telling his "wife" he had to run to work for a bit. He then went to pick her up. As most teens are not always angels, she may have fabricated that she was being picked up by the nineteen year old as to not get questioned by Mom, stating she would be home by Midnight. AL then picked her up to hang out as earlier arranged and he took her to a dark spot at his place of work. He was thinking that "she wanted him" as he does not think like an average man having been incarcerated most of his adult life, he would be sexually/mentally stopped at what ever age he went in. (esp. if our guesses are correct that he has been in and out since seventeen or so). AD may have been enamored with him, but not sexually, just with the thought that this older man, attractive bad boy showed her special attention (grooming). So she went to have a beer or to talk. He made his move, had some liquid courage and things got totally out of hand. He may have taken it too far and then panicked, after the sexual/violent act, he may have felt the surge of panic, she could talk and take away his home, his freedom and he could lose all. In this state he could finish what he started taking her life. Now he has to dispose of her, but how. He has his "wifes" SUV, he does not want to leave blood evidence in her vehicle as he knows he will be looked at. He cannot carry her out, he could get caught or attract attention from the semi truck traffic that drives the highway at that hour. What to do, again in his mental immature state, he thinks, and comes up with a fast plan under immense pressure as he had to return home soon. He gets some accelerant from work that he knows that they use, and once the body is burning to his satisfaction he leaves it in hopes all evidence (seminal fluid and blood) will burn with it. He returns home. I believe AD lost her shoe either when this sexual advance gone wrong in the SUV happened, or when she tried to run. I think they will find the shoe either along the roadway between his house and the job, or within a short distance of where the crime occured at his place of business. I think he did this alone. I think that he is saying that the nineteen year old had him call her to drive her to a party as perhaps this was mentioned to him earlier from the nineteen year old or maybe not, but either way he is trying to deflect from himself and towards IR. I am almost betting his shoes from that night have been disposed of, his pants were washed and are the ones on the way to texas via USPS and I also think that at the gathering earlier that he may have been wearing a cowboy hat and she put it on, he is trying to cover his tracks in a primitive uneducated manner. I think that others know that he flirts with the young girls and I think that she perhaps has confided in a friend about him before. I think perhaps she met him either through this nineteen year old, or perhaps she babysat or tutored one of the kids. I think his "wife" will hold some of the keys to this investigation as I caught on NG where the "wife" intercepted some of his texts from AD and asked him to tell her to stop texting for rides. There were obviously some suspicion on her part before this. I think entirely too much when I drive and sleep, but this really seems to fit. IMHO
t

IIRC Alicia her sister and her mom had been out shopping all day? Does anyone remember this?

revampz
08-31-2010, 11:16 PM
Just got to say.....yuck.....guys like this should not be allowed to live in normal society......they are too institutionalized......surving in jail is completely different to surviving in society and this is an example of bringing that jail mentality into normal everyday life.......phoning in bomb threats to the school....what the???????

In my older years and now with two children I have turned into a bit of a snob and this is the exact reason why....this guy is dangerous and I think does not know how to live a normal decent life.......the thing is there are lots of them out there,, and I for one do not want them in my life or living in my neighborhood or near my children.....

hollyblue
08-31-2010, 11:47 PM
A general timeline of the case, not update since Aug 29, and not a lot of use on what happened on the 21st, up until the time she left her home.

Useful for anybody jumping in new or catching up.

Media folks, if you are reading our stuff, we'd sure love some timeline of Aug 21 prior to 11pm. Might not be a lot available, but inquiring minds would still love to know.

http://www.gbtribune.com/news.php?id=4298

I bookmarked that and then realized it was really a short summary of her case rather than a timeline. I'd like to see a true timeline of prior 11 PM too....both her and AL.

Here is video tribute to AD from her friends and classmates. Oh, man....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw8f4UCV7B0