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cathdawg
09-24-2010, 01:13 PM
So....'AG Six' admits that is was a mistake to record AL's calls to Atty.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/103707014.html

cathdawg
09-24-2010, 01:45 PM
Huh? What "journal entry" where please, and are you referring to AJL being married?

TIA


http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/default.asp


Go down the list of motions and you will see "Journal entry felony case first appearance " dated Aug 30/2010

and it lists his status as be married.

westsidefox64
09-24-2010, 05:04 PM
http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/default.asp
3rd motion from the top: Response to Motion to dismiss Violation of Attorney Client Privelege... IMO It looks like thyey have a case. It states it was stated this was a call to an attorneys office. If they kept listening and recording after being told this isnt that a breach of his rights???

anyoldtime48
09-24-2010, 05:13 PM
So....'AG Six' admits that is was a mistake to record AL's calls to Atty.

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/103707014.html

More of KAKE's almost worthless 3 short paragraph stories from AP, which was gleaned from the Hutch News, most likely this story from Monday in which Six stated it was mistakenly recorded.

http://hutchnews.com/Localregional/Longoria-case-follow--2

hollyblue
09-24-2010, 09:51 PM
http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/default.asp
3rd motion from the top: Response to Motion to dismiss Violation of Attorney Client Privelege... IMO It looks like thyey have a case. It states it was stated this was a call to an attorneys office. If they kept listening and recording after being told this isnt that a breach of his rights???

I don't think it will amount to anything. I think it was just a call from AL to his attorney's office, and not even a conversation w/him. As in, "Tell Wick's I want to meet with him."

My understanding is it has be something that "shocks the courts" as in the State deliberately having intentions in seeking/obtaining the strategic moves of the Defense in defending his client. imo

cathdawg
09-25-2010, 01:37 AM
I don't think it will amount to anything. I think it was just a call from AL to his attorney's office, and not even a conversation w/him. As in, "Tell Wick's I want to meet with him."

My understanding is it has be something that "shocks the courts" as in the State deliberately having intentions in seeking/obtaining the strategic moves of the Defense in defending his client. imo


I agree, all it really means to me is that the DP could be thrown out so.... it would mean 'life' without parole so...., what the Heck, it takes ions for these DP convicts to be executed and he would be a 'Lifer' :waitasec: I am not worried as yet!

yosande
09-25-2010, 04:59 AM
I've found that it's a hard thing to talk about the victim's actions. I butted heads with another sleuther who disagreed with me about a victim before.

To answer your question, if we supposed that she had a sexual relationship with him, then that certainly changes the motive for the murder. Instead of him killing her after molesting her, we might then have to think that perhaps she threatened to expose the relationship if she didn't get what she wanted from him--whatever that could be in the world of speculation. So he sodomized her out of anger and killed her to keep her quiet. I don't know...

Whether she had sex with him willingly (or at least what she thought was willingly) at any point, we have to admit SOMETHING was going on between them for her to have his number, for her to think that she could text him for "rides" and for her to willingly lie to her mother that she was going somewhere with the 19 year-old when she was really going somewhere with AL.

I have to assume she was lying about the 19 year old, because he had not come up at all in this case. There's no reason to hide his identity because he's over 18. If she'd actually had correspondence with the 19 year old that night, I'm certain the police would have added him to the suspect list--especially after the things Longoria said in that KSN interview and in that KWCH interview.

What i'd like to know is how often since the girlfriend's birthday party did Alicia go out late at night and say she was with someone else and a black SUV picked her up. I'd like to know if her behavior changed at home after the night of that birthday party. Some of her friends or this 19 year old or somebody has got to know whether she had a relationship with this man.

Also, I made the assumption that TC didn't know about the texts until the monday after the disappearance. I gleaned that the mother learned that the party had been at AL house. she went over there to confront him, and THAT is how she learned that Alicia was texting AL. I assumed from that KWCH interview that the mother did not know all along that AD was texting this man. I figured that it was the girlfriend who knew all along, because in the interview, AL said that the mother said "I didn't have to worry about her texting me anymore." And for some reason, I seriously, seriously doubt that TC had EVER had a conversation with AL before that Monday.

What are y'all's thoughts on that?

First of all it is illegal to have a sexual relationship with a 14 year old in Kansas, and so she could not "consent" to a sexual relationship, so she would have been being molested, in other words, a victim of a crime.

Second, when he says he was told to text her that night and invite her to a party at his house, but didn't know "it" and tell her who all was going to be there, he was setting her up, ie, premeditation. imo.

Whether he has done this before, it appears to me that he enjoys manipulation, not just the kill, and that imo he has done this before.
He knows who the vulnerable ones are.

Personally I think he was grooming her.

For some reason he doesn't think the AG was allowed to bring up his past criminal history, so he was angry that he wasn't "playing fair" and that his rights were being violated, apparently again. If looks could kill, eh?
He was intentionally attempting to intimidate the AG, but it was clear that he was the one who felt intimated.

Imo, that was what the interview was about too, manipulation.

She hadn't even started high school yet.
What a horrible crime.
RIP baby girl.

hollyblue
09-25-2010, 12:28 PM
I agree, all it really means to me is that the DP could be thrown out so.... it would mean 'life' without parole so...., what the Heck, it takes ions for these DP convicts to be executed and he would be a 'Lifer' :waitasec: I am not worried as yet!

Because the response motion by the State after the request of the courts by the Defense to remove the death penalty, or dismiss the case was met with Six's mentioning they are (still) seeking the death penalty, I don't think they will take it off the table. This was just a weak motion, imo, for the defense to show they are doing "something" in trying to defend him. I think AL left so much evidence, I can't imagine Six having any problems if everyone keeps their nose clean. JMO

Here's a separate PDF of the statement re: death penalty. #2.
http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Response/Response-Motion005.pdf

If someone finds a way to change this pdf into something else where we can CC info from it, or some other way...pls let me know.

cathdawg
09-25-2010, 02:04 PM
I was trying to go back and find out whether Alicia did attended the 'Party' at Camp Alrich sp? as I saw a post from her sister D on FB while Alicia was missing stating ''please anyone with information come forward , " Alicia last seen with two Hispanic Men at a Party at Camp Alrich", does anyone recall this? TIA I am trying to find it. Perhaps this was initial misinformation.

It seems to me that AL must have been the one who picked her up that Eve, he must have text her and said he was having a 'Party'. This certainly looks like Premeditation to me. If this is the case, he brought her to his House as she was seen a neighbor ...the GF will hold the key to this as most likely she was also there. Willy J's staff said he was not there that Eve. GF said he returned around 12:30 - 1 am ? all 'sooty'. It makes me sick just to think that he had it all figured out, pure Evil.

westsidefox64
09-25-2010, 04:10 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-5.html?tag=page
Look closely at her neck. I think this LITTLE GIRL was living a life of wanting to be alot older than she was. I also think if she wasnt worried what her mom thought enough to take this self photo she wasnt afraid to tell mom someone else was picking her up. A little girl trying to be a grown up way too soon. AJL showing her intrest probley boosted her ego making her feel more grown up than she was. No wonder he got her to go with him in such a short amount of time. Sick SOB made her feel grown up ...HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING IMO. She was just too young wanting to be too grown poor baby!

anyoldtime48
09-25-2010, 10:23 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10004622-5.html?tag=page
Look closely at her neck. I think this LITTLE GIRL was living a life of wanting to be alot older than she was. I also think if she wasnt worried what her mom thought enough to take this self photo she wasnt afraid to tell mom someone else was picking her up. A little girl trying to be a grown up way too soon. AJL showing her intrest probley boosted her ego making her feel more grown up than she was. No wonder he got her to go with him in such a short amount of time. Sick SOB made her feel grown up ...HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING IMO. She was just too young wanting to be too grown poor baby!

Yeah, and I don't buy for a second that he was told she was 18, then 16 and then 14. She may well have portrayed herself as 18, being in a hurry to "grow up" and be treated like an adult; and he didn't know that she was 14 until after she went missing and it was all over the news.

Not that if he DID think she was actually 18 that it excuses his behavior in the least. It was still predatory, and I suspect premeditated (her murder) for more than the handful of seconds prior to the deed it takes to qualify legally as premeditated.

He is sick, predatory, and I still worry that she was not his first victim. We can pray for a conviction that ensures AD was the last, although her family and friends will carry this with them the rest of their lives.

hollyblue
09-26-2010, 03:03 AM
I was trying to go back and find out whether Alicia did attended the 'Party' at Camp Alrich sp? as I saw a post from her sister D on FB while Alicia was missing stating ''please anyone with information come forward , " Alicia last seen with two Hispanic Men at a Party at Camp Alrich", does anyone recall this? TIA I am trying to find it. Perhaps this was initial misinformation.

It seems to me that AL must have been the one who picked her up that Eve, he must have text her and said he was having a 'Party'. This certainly looks like Premeditation to me. If this is the case, he brought her to his House as she was seen a neighbor ...the GF will hold the key to this as most likely she was also there. Willy J's staff said he was not there that Eve. GF said he returned around 12:30 - 1 am ? all 'sooty'. It makes me sick just to think that he had it all figured out, pure Evil.

Dawn did have it posted on her FB that she was to attend a party at Camp Aldrich, but I've never found it stated anywhere that she did in fact attend another party that night, except for the neighbor saying he saw her there. This is what makes the timeline a little skewed, imo. Was the neighbor's sighting indeed that Saturday night, and just how long was she there....or could the gf be lying about what time he actually got home? From what we have, she was picked up at 11 and he was back at 1:30-2:00 am. Was she there from 11-12, suppose to go home at 12...so they left and he took her elsewhere and then done the dirty deed? It's a close timeline, but certainly plausible.

I remember the gf saying he came home from work that day very dirty, which prolly would have been 6ish. IIRC His bosses prolly started him out as a flagman to let him see/learn what the scenario of blacktopping is about, and that Sat. may have been his first day of "worK" in spreading it. ??? Could be the gf tried to do some kind of covering up for him too. His kind make their victims feel very special....and so reciprocation is expected in this pattern of control. I'm sure he also lied thru his teeth to her since day one. Curious to know if any abuse had started yet....I'm guessing yes to mental and pray no to physical. If she did at first cover up for him, she's come forward and told all now...or fool is she hasn't and putting herself at risk for charges and loosing her children; but after seeing the brother's reaction, I tend to think she told all.

What possible action could be "accidental" about her death, if the defense wants to go there? Rough sex with a 14 yr old? Don't think so.
Then again, we don't know the cause of death, or if it has been established. Maybe he'll play the Van der Sloot card and say she overdosed and he just tried to get rid of the body? Defense is wanting to see what they have, so they know what direction to take.

Just moo, but don't think she perceived him in a romantic or sexual way at all. I could be totally wrong too. She may have wanted to be seen as more mature...per the hickey...but until I hear otherwise, she could have still been seeing the 19 year old. AL is the one who stated "her x". I think the hickey is seen as a confirmation to others her age that she is in a intimate relationship, whether that be actual sex, I don't know. In my day, it was common in going parking and necking, you just didn't let your parents see it...to protect yourself and him!!

hollyblue
09-26-2010, 03:35 AM
Yeah, and I don't buy for a second that he was told she was 18, then 16 and then 14. She may well have portrayed herself as 18, being in a hurry to "grow up" and be treated like an adult; and he didn't know that she was 14 until after she went missing and it was all over the news.

Not that if he DID think she was actually 18 that it excuses his behavior in the least. It was still predatory, and I suspect premeditated (her murder) for more than the handful of seconds prior to the deed it takes to qualify legally as premeditated.

He is sick, predatory, and I still worry that she was not his first victim. We can pray for a conviction that ensures AD was the last, although her family and friends will carry this with them the rest of their lives.

Something needs to take place in a drastic way---NOW... to keep these @$$wholes who have a list of priors a mile long from being released after they are returned again and again to "prison college" and graduate with honors to the next step in violence. At some point, the opportunities given to them, with our tax dollars, have to stop when they keep making bad choices with them time after time. They're clothed, fed, roof over their head, daily trip to the gym, etc and THEY ARE PROTECTED on a level way above what LE can do for you or I. WTH is wrong with people who take a good long look at this picture??? JMO

anyoldtime48
09-26-2010, 01:19 PM
Something needs to take place in a drastic way---NOW... to keep these @$$wholes who have a list of priors a mile long from being released after they are returned again and again to "prison college" and graduate with honors to the next step in violence. At some point, the opportunities given to them, with our tax dollars, have to stop when they keep making bad choices with them time after time. They're clothed, fed, roof over their head, daily trip to the gym, etc and THEY ARE PROTECTED on a level way above what LE can do for you or I. WTH is wrong with people who take a good long look at this picture??? JMO

Flame on sister. Both our court and prison systems need some major overhauls. 3 strikes didn't keep this one locked up, and he is far from the first one allowed to slip thru the cracks.

Shamefully, far from the last as well.

anyoldtime48
09-28-2010, 02:01 PM
Slow day, but AJL is allowed by judge to wear civvies in court.

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/JournalEntry/20100910-Status-Conference.pdf

cathdawg
09-28-2010, 04:07 PM
Hi: Does anyone know if AL's GF worked night shifts? TIA

westsidefox64
09-28-2010, 05:11 PM
Hi: Does anyone know if AL's GF worked night shifts? TIA

I honestly never saw any mention of her working at all but would be interested in knowing this too. Great question. Also thanks for the motions link!!!

cathdawg
09-28-2010, 06:54 PM
According to this article, the GF worked.

"He cooked. He cleaned, did laundry. He had supper ready for me by the time I got off work."

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz10rr6MUXZ

cathdawg
09-29-2010, 01:05 AM
Is IR now the Father of a Child?


FYI: Sept 22 post and Sept 24 posts

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=858895301&ref=ts

cathdawg
09-29-2010, 01:29 AM
I have spent hours trying to find tidbits, ie: who knew AL , who knew GF. So ....Frustrating

hollyblue
09-29-2010, 08:15 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/29/california.execution/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

If just dumped on an island, there would never be the expense or the BS of this controversy. What's so inhumane about letting an AH forge for himself and his coherts. The average cost of to us--- incarceration is said to be $19,000/per person...annually--AVG. Would rather spend that on a child's education or their health care. Which is free to them!:furious::furious: Sorry, but this really is a bite in the butt to all of us....and it's a slap in the face to intellegence. Off rant.

MsFacetious
09-30-2010, 01:40 PM
Yes. He says so in the comments here:

There are a few others that imply it, but those confirm it. There are 3 other pictures in the first 5 of the album...Cute kid.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=14818636&fbid=10150275910610302&id=858895301

Is IR now the Father of a Child?


FYI: Sept 22 post and Sept 24 posts

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=858895301&ref=ts

westsidefox64
09-30-2010, 02:15 PM
Yes. He says so in the comments here:

There are a few others that imply it, but those confirm it. There are 3 other pictures in the first 5 of the album...Cute kid.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=14818636&fbid=10150275910610302&id=858895301

Hes a beautiful baby! What about being a new father says its ok to get drunk all the time? The majority of his posts since the baby was born is about drinking beer? I will never understand that kind of thinking :banghead::banghead::banghead:

hollyblue
09-30-2010, 02:16 PM
Cathdog, Maybe you could attach the link to the KS court site onto you signature, that way we would have it pretty much available to us at all times. I don't know how to bookmark it for my files. ???

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 03:30 PM
hollyblue I would love to if I knew how LOL

hollyblue
09-30-2010, 03:50 PM
hollyblue I would love to if I knew how LOL

Go to the quick links above left drop down, and select edit signature. It's more or less self explanatory, and you can play around til you get it. LOL,,,that's what I did.

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 04:28 PM
Thanks hollyblue, I'll give it a try or two or three.....

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 04:29 PM
Yahoo it worked!

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 04:57 PM
I found a post a blog/forum around Sept 20 and I am trying to find it from Alicia's Sis D, she said in her post that AL came to town on May 25 th and that there was lots of lying..... going on about GF knowing him for 6-7 months. D also asked people not to believe everything they read. Does anyone recall seeing this? I am trying to find the link? TIA

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 05:28 PM
Found this post on the NG Blog About 15 posts down:

angela adams August 27th, 2010 7:58 pm ET

"Adam longoria worked for my husbands construction company when he first got to town and they had to fire him because he tried to steal all the tools from the job site. He claimed he was a rodeo champion and met a lady at the expo in topeka and she wanted to marry a real cowboy and he told her he was on e and she moved him to great bend with her. He was a liar the two weeks he worked for my husband. I told my husband to alert great bend about him because he was new to town and next thing later today they arrest the guy"

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/person-of-interest-just-id%E2%80%99d-in-murder-of-teen-cheerleader/#comments.

hollyblue
09-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Yahoo it worked!

I knew you could do it.:woohoo: Thanks.

Can't recall the blog of Dawn's your speaking of. First time I've seen that entry on NG's blog. Interesting. He didn't want to tell them they met thru prison correspondence? Loved to have known if the "boss" did a background check? I'm guessing no.

As far as the rodeo champion, I think I remember seeing where one of the prison' in TX do have a rodeo competion...maybe for charity...but the prisoners do win a little something if they win the competion. Maybe he was the champion rodeo clown.....or that's where he picked up his BS?
LOL.:waitasec:

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 06:04 PM
:dance:Thanks hollyblue, There is another disturbing post on the NG link:

Peter Zamarripa August 29th, 2010 7:42 pm ET

I live in Great Bend KS and I know he has had sex with another sixteen year old girl one time. She said he kept calling her afterward, and she put his name in her cell phone as the freak. She thought he was so weird that she wouldn't see him again. She has spoken about this and feels bad and she knows he is a bad person. I want to stay anonymous, but the world needs to know how sick this guy really is.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/person-of-interest-just-id%E2%80%99d-in-murder-of-teen-cheerleader/#comments

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 06:16 PM
The guy in my above post wanted to remain anonymous but he used his name to post the article!

I am wondering if AL was in Topeka before arriving in GB? Has the GF lived in GB for awhile? TIA

cathdawg
09-30-2010, 06:20 PM
I am sorry if these posts on NG have been posted before, I have never seen them.

Donna Shaffer August 27th, 2010 5:44 pm ET

I live in Ks. between Wichita and Great Bend. I have been following your show about the Alicia Debolt murder. I tried to call the past couple of nights without luck. We know the body was burned. I have an idea about that. Don't think fire/matches type burn. A worker found her at the asphalt batch plant. What if she was tossed in a batch of that HOT tar-like paving material. It is made there on that site and is a very, very scalding hot liquid type substance. If she was thrown in that hot asphalt/tar, it would burn her body and may explain why her shoe was still on her foot. It would have melted to her foot immediately upon contact. Just an idea I had been thinking about.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/person-of-interest-just-id%E2%80%99d-in-murder-of-teen-cheerleader/#comments

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 07:37 AM
Common law marriage? After 4 mos? Are they serious? I knew the gf was involved and had more knowledge than she let on. What a complete %^&^ fool. :( ....and if CPS does not look into the kid's welfare, they are negligent!! She's thinks he's innocent.....she needs a psyhe exam...stat. I'd hide my name too, Eva Marie Brown, if I were you. Aghhh.

Account details night of Great Bend teen's death


Oct 02, 2010 (The Wichita Eagle - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- Late the night that 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt disappeared -- and days before her burned body was found -- Adam Longoria came home with stained clothing and smelling of fuel, according to one account.

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2010/10/02/5043251.htm (http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2010/10/02/5043251.htm)

http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 08:07 AM
Here's the motion made re: Common law marriage. It also lists her name!!!! Twirp!

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/MotionCommonLaw.pdf (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/MotionCommonLaw.pdf)

OMG! :
Common Law Marriages
A common law marriage is a marriage by agreement of the two persons without any formal ceremony or license. A common law marriage will be recognized in Kansas if the couple considers themselves to be married and publicly holds themselves out to be married and if they are legally eligible to marry. No minimum period of cohabitation is required.

http://www.ksbar.org/public/public_resources/pamphlets/marriage_divorce.shtml

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 08:30 AM
Per post on her step-father's FB, they are sellling bracelets for her memorial fund. Just took a look at the brother's site....he needs some counseling.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001236047277&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=1825621850&v=wall

Alicia's FB page is back: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1825621850&v=wall#!/profile.php?id=100001502300869&v=wall

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 10:46 AM
Here's the motion made re: Common law marriage. It also lists her name!!!! Twirp!

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/MotionCommonLaw.pdf (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/MotionCommonLaw.pdf)

OMG! :
Common Law Marriages
A common law marriage is a marriage by agreement of the two persons without any formal ceremony or license. A common law marriage will be recognized in Kansas if the couple considers themselves to be married and publicly holds themselves out to be married and if they are legally eligible to marry. No minimum period of cohabitation is required.

http://www.ksbar.org/public/public_resources/pamphlets/marriage_divorce.shtml

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html


She said they were like a family. "He's always considered me his wife even though we were not married."

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz11DFmuFWE


since this statement is in the press it may be just what the state needs to throw the common law marriage out the window. It clearly shows he thought of them as married but she didnt. JMO

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 10:58 AM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html


Lisa Brown said her sister told her this of the night that Alicia disappeared:

Her sister and Longoria had gone out to eat and returned home around 10:30 p.m. Longoria told her he had to leave to meet with undercover police officers, that he was an informant.

He came home around 12:30 a.m., smelling like diesel fuel. When she asked what happened, he said he stopped at the home of a friend and helped the friend deal with car problems.

He used bleach to clean his shoestrings and shoes.

He wore a shirt that had a blood stain.

When Brown's sister told her about the stain, she motioned in a way indicating it was a big stain, Brown said.

Brown's sister, when told of her sister's account of the stain, said it was wrong to say the stain was blood. She didn't elaborate.

According to Brown, her sister told her that Longoria asked her to destroy the shirt. That her sister said the shirt was cut into three pieces. That Longoria asked her to throw out the pieces in three different places. That her sister said she discarded the shirt pieces but didn't say where they were left.

Brown said her sister told her that the couple's Great Bend house smelled like diesel and her vehicle, a black Ford Escape, smelled like fuel — that she had to roll down the windows while getting rid of the shirt because the fumes made her sick.

Brown said her sister told her that Longoria's pants were put in a trash can in the backyard.

When Brown visited the couple's home several days after Alicia disappeared, she noticed that it smelled like fuel.

Her sister said that since July, she had intercepted text messages and phone calls from Alicia to Longoria, Brown said.

"She was upset because Alicia was underage and Adam was a grown man, and she didn't think it was appropriate," Brown said.

As of this past Tuesday, Brown said, her sister told her she believes Longoria is innocent



Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html#ixzz11DHtIP

What about your BF comming home with blood stains, smelling of diesel fuel, cleaning his shoes with bleach, having you cut up a shirt and discard it in 3 places and throw away his jeans, the day before you hear a 14 yr old girl is missing makes your brain say hes innocent??? I dont get it. What kind of hold does he have on this woman?
I have been refraining from posting things about the GF thinking she was an innocent bystander. Now IMO shes as guilty as he is!

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html


She said they were like a family. "He's always considered me his wife even though we were not married."

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz11DFmuFWE


since this statement is in the press it may be just what the state needs to throw the common law marriage out the window. It clearly shows he thought of them as married but she didnt. JMO

Something is wrong with this picture. She talks about how you don't take off and run if innocent....deja vu, eh? Didn't someone else say almost the same words before they booked?

Now it comes out she thinks he's innocent? I'm wondering if she wasn't MORE INVOLVED and she HAS to protect him, and vice versa?????

I felt sorry for her after learning her background, but after hearing she helped in destroying the shirt, etc......how much did she care about her children being around a man that was involved in something that he had to rid himself of the evidence??? I would have sent him to the local bar as a treat and packed my kids and myself up and booked myself. How insecure or down right studid can you get?

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 11:05 AM
Snipped:


What about your BF comming home with blood stains, smelling of deisel fuel, cleaning his shoes with bleach, having you cut up a shirt and discard it in 3 places and thow away his jeans, the day before you here a 14 yr old girl is missing makes your brian say hes innocent??? I dont get it. What kind of hold does he have on this woman?
I have been refraining from posting things about the GF thinking she was an innocent bystander. Now IMO shes as guilty as he is!

Exactly. Something smells and it's not fuel. How can she be so sure it was diesel fuel...anyway? Hmmmmm?

I'm boiling right now. :furious::furious: I feel like I could do a Three Stooges on her, Smack, slap, bonk, bonk.!!!! Ugh.

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 11:06 AM
http://www.kansas.com/2010

Her sister said that since July, she had intercepted text messages and phone calls from Alicia to Longoria, Brown said.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html#ixzz11DLFFJ2g/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html

This answers the question as to how long he knew her and was corrisponding with her.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 11:35 AM
You know this is not looking good for her AT ALL...and if she did all the hiding of the evidence....why hasn't she been charged? And just why did she not have an inklling of something was wrong until after he was caputured Friday??? Story has to change....and both of their backs started to itch? Maybe Six was BS about having the one person who had committed the crime? Why hasn't she been charged with obstuction of justice and destroying evidence? Why? I'm sorry...take the kids away! Her girl was at the age to begin needing advice about men and dating, etc.....Oh, brother!

Article 38 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/.): Crimes Affecting Governmental Functions

Statute 21-3807: Compounding a crime. (a) Compounding a crime is accepting or agreeing to accept anything of value as consideration for a promise: (1) Not to initiate or aid in the prosecution of a person who has committed a crime; or (2) to intentionally conceal or destroy evidence of a crime.
(b) Compounding a felony is a severity level 8, nonperson felony. (c) Compounding a misdemeanor is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_38/21-3807.html

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_38/21-3812.html

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 11:37 AM
http://www.kansas.com/2010

Her sister said that since July, she had intercepted text messages and phone calls from Alicia to Longoria, Brown said.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html#ixzz11DLFFJ2g/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html

This answers the question as to how long he knew her and was corrisponding with her.

Wasn't this around the time her mother got married? Think so.

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 11:56 AM
Wasn't this around the time her mother got married? Think so.

mother was married June 10th,2010

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 12:00 PM
You know this is not looking good for her AT ALL...and if she did all the hiding of the evidence....why hasn't she been charged? And just why did she not have an inklling of something was wrong until after he was caputured Friday??? Story has to change....and both of their backs started to itch? Maybe Six was BS about having the one person who had committed the crime? Why hasn't she been charged with obstuction of justice and destroying evidence? Why? I'm sorry...take the kids away! Her girl was at the age to begin needing advice about men and dating, etc.....Oh, brother!

Article 38 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/.): Crimes Affecting Governmental Functions

Statute 21-3807: Compounding a crime. (a) Compounding a crime is accepting or agreeing to accept anything of value as consideration for a promise: (1) Not to initiate or aid in the prosecution of a person who has committed a crime; or (2) to intentionally conceal or destroy evidence of a crime.
(b) Compounding a felony is a severity level 8, nonperson felony. (c) Compounding a misdemeanor is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_38/21-3807.html

Im wondering if shes not been charged YET is because its hearsay from a second party. I would assume if there is evidence that she aided him in anyway she will be charged. If shes not IMO she will be getting away with a heinous crime.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Im wondering if shes not been charged YET is because its hearsay from a second party. I would assume if there is evidence that she aided him in anyway she will be charged. If shes not IMO she will be getting away with a heinous crime.

Since LE interviewed her....did she neglect in telling them about the shirt, etc. or did she finally fess up and tell all. Either way, she's up a creek if the story is true. imo

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 12:34 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #2

Wish I knew what they were looking for,now im wondering if the pieces of the shirt are what was being searched for in the ditches. If so LE has known about EBs involvment for along time and IMO she should have been charged by now.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5570700&postcount=235)

Wish I knew what they were looking for,now im wondering if the pieces of the shirt are what was being searched for in the ditches. If so LE has known about EBs involvment for along time and IMO she should have been charged by now.

Yep. Where is the shirt and did she tell LE? One thing.....it's getting complicated....and interesting. Where did the blood come from....the act of sodomy, her menstrual, or just how did he kill her?

Can't find a social website for the gf at all. Found her and the kids on a geneaology site, but it never mentioned her married name of Nunez.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 12:50 PM
Hey, AOT...about time you got up! :)

anyoldtime48
10-02-2010, 01:09 PM
http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html


Lisa Brown said her sister told her this of the night that Alicia disappeared:

Her sister and Longoria had gone out to eat and returned home around 10:30 p.m. Longoria told her he had to leave to meet with undercover police officers, that he was an informant.

He came home around 12:30 a.m., smelling like diesel fuel. When she asked what happened, he said he stopped at the home of a friend and helped the friend deal with car problems.

He used bleach to clean his shoestrings and shoes.

He wore a shirt that had a blood stain.

When Brown's sister told her about the stain, she motioned in a way indicating it was a big stain, Brown said.

Brown's sister, when told of her sister's account of the stain, said it was wrong to say the stain was blood. She didn't elaborate.

According to Brown, her sister told her that Longoria asked her to destroy the shirt. That her sister said the shirt was cut into three pieces. That Longoria asked her to throw out the pieces in three different places. That her sister said she discarded the shirt pieces but didn't say where they were left.

Brown said her sister told her that the couple's Great Bend house smelled like diesel and her vehicle, a black Ford Escape, smelled like fuel — that she had to roll down the windows while getting rid of the shirt because the fumes made her sick.

Brown said her sister told her that Longoria's pants were put in a trash can in the backyard.

When Brown visited the couple's home several days after Alicia disappeared, she noticed that it smelled like fuel.

Her sister said that since July, she had intercepted text messages and phone calls from Alicia to Longoria, Brown said.

"She was upset because Alicia was underage and Adam was a grown man, and she didn't think it was appropriate," Brown said.

As of this past Tuesday, Brown said, her sister told her she believes Longoria is innocent



Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html#ixzz11DHtIP

What about your BF comming home with blood stains, smelling of diesel fuel, cleaning his shoes with bleach, having you cut up a shirt and discard it in 3 places and throw away his jeans, the day before you hear a 14 yr old girl is missing makes your brain say hes innocent??? I dont get it. What kind of hold does he have on this woman?
I have been refraining from posting things about the GF thinking she was an innocent bystander. Now IMO shes as guilty as he is!

Whole lot of she said she said and he said he said. None of which holds much water at this juncture. Load of hearsay and the first time a sister has popped out of the woodwork. Personally, I'm not taking what she claims the GF said to be gospel, or at least not embellished on.

Not to say I haven't wondered about the GF's involvement in this from day 1, the question is whether she did or is doing anything knowingly wrong.

Could simply be staying quiet because she has been requested to since this is still an ongoing investigation.

She moved out readily enough when AJL was arrested, so if he "had" any hold on her, I suspect she is waking up pretty quickly. Might take her some time to come to terms with what happened that night. There is going to be a whole lot of guilt, and "dang, but I was stupid to ever get involved with him" for her to work thru. If she really has a brain that is. In this case -- much more than most women getting out of a relationship with a manipulator because of how it all ended.

But none of us really likes to admit we made idiot moves, ultimately forgive ourselves for making them, learn from them and move on. I truly hope given the magnitude of this situation, she is getting some professional counseling. Would hate to see her deny bad decisions and then repeat.

Or deny what really did go on that night, because it DOES put her in a bad light. I'd be looking for a rock to hide under myself.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 01:18 PM
If the sister is lying about what EMB said, then why?

I felt Eva knew more than we had heard....but destroying evidence...I wouldn't have dreamed it.

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 01:36 PM
I think if EMBs sister and brother are both saying the same things chances are good she said it. Also if AL came home with big blood stains on his shirt, cleaning his shoes etc... and then asked her to dispose of the items she had to know he was up to something. Its just common sense. Then hearing of a missing teen the next day that had been texting and calling enough that you thought it wasnt appropriate. Why wouldnt she call LE??? If not at that point after ADs body is found burnt, after him comming home that night smelling of fuel. I just dont get it! I also dont understand searching out a mate in a prison especially with 2 young children in the house. I agree this woman needs profesional counciling. How can anyone be so needy to think this guy is innocent. Could she possibly think at this point hes going to come home to her and her CHILDREN and live happily ever after??? JMO

anyoldtime48
10-02-2010, 01:44 PM
If the sister is lying about what EMB said, then why?

I felt Eva knew more than we had heard....but destroying evidence...I wouldn't have dreamed it.

We don't know a thing about their relationship. We don't know how she "interpreted" what she was told. We don't know how right the media got it (given all the mistakes they make). Whole thing reads like a soap opera, and nothing in there from the sister is going to wind up in court as it's all hearsay.

Did the GF KNOWINGLY destroy evidence? Or even unknowingly. Did AJL walk in and say "I just murdered AD and burned her body and I need you to get rid of these clothes." ?? Stupid, but not that stupid. He lied. She bought it.

I'm not presuming this woman was even remotely clairvoyant. If she were, duh, they wouldn't be living together. No reason to presume she knew he had just come home from committing a murder. We don't know for a fact what led police so quickly to that home. Perhaps it was a call or visit from her. Meantime, she might have started to put it together and been living in fear and with NO idea what to do.

Think about how common that is in abuse cases. Women are often more fearful to run than stay, because they know the SOB will hunt them down and it would be worse for them. Or at least they've heard that so much they believe it, whether true or not.

Or she could simply just be a total idiot.

She essentially denied her sister got the facts straight. Why is her sister all of a sudden coming out with this, and is queen for a day? Don't know her from Adam (no pun intended).

Sticking by what is clearly she said she said, as that's all there is in the article to go by. And the article is what I'm commenting on.

Since GF "did not elaborate" on what she disputed in her sister's account, we don't know if it was a few minor details (i.e. big stain, but never indicated it as blood stain) or what.

Media can write it any way they want to sell hits.

I would hope sister got it wrong when she stated the GF thinks AJL is innocent. Perhaps she is just trying to goad her into talking. I've seen way stupider things among families. If LE has asked her to stay quiet, good reason to not talk to media.

I'm not going to presume too much at this point about what is going on in her head, but suffice to say I believe AJL messed it up worse than it was already when she made the bonehead move to shop for a daddy in prison.

Am trusting she will "wake up" in due time and crawl out from under the rock she's hiding under for self preservation. And that of her two children. Small town, where is she going to hide?

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 01:49 PM
]I think if EMBs sister and brother are both saying the same things chances are good she said it.[/B] Also if AL came home with big blood stains on his shirt, cleaning his shoes etc... and then asked her to dispose of the items she had to know he was up to something. Its just common sense. Then hearing of a missing teen the next day that had been texting and calling enough that you thought it wasnt appropriate. Why wouldnt she call LE??? If not at that point after ADs body is found burnt, after him comming home that night smelling of fuel. I just dont get it! I also dont understand searching out a mate in a prison especially with 2 young children in the house. I agree this woman needs profesional counciling. How can anyone be so needy to think this guy is innocent. Could she possibly think at this point hes going to come home to her and her CHILDREN and live happily ever after??? JMO

Exactly. That's why I think she was more involved and the story has a ring a truth in it.

anyoldtime48
10-02-2010, 01:49 PM
I think if EMBs sister and brother are both saying the same things chances are good she said it. Also if AL came home with big blood stains on his shirt, cleaning his shoes etc... and then asked her to dispose of the items she had to know he was up to something. Its just common sense. Then hearing of a missing teen the next day that had been texting and calling enough that you thought it wasnt appropriate. Why wouldnt she call LE??? If not at that point after ADs body is found burnt, after him comming home that night smelling of fuel. I just dont get it! I also dont understand searching out a mate in a prison especially with 2 young children in the house. I agree this woman needs profesional counciling. How can anyone be so needy to think this guy is innocent. Could she possibly think at this point hes going to come home to her and her CHILDREN and live happily ever after??? JMO

How do we know she didn't call police?

She is clearly messed up in the head. And you don't wake up from that overnight. Especially when living under same roof as a manipulator. One she might have started to fear, and where do you go?

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 01:53 PM
Still trying to figure this posting thing out. How do you snip things from a post and put things from a post in bold?

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 02:12 PM
We don't know a thing about their relationship. We don't know how she "interpreted" what she was told. We don't know how right the media got it (given all the mistakes they make). Whole thing reads like a soap opera, and nothing in there from the sister is going to wind up in court as it's all hearsay.

Did the GF KNOWINGLY destroy evidence? Or even unknowingly. Did AJL walk in and say "I just murdered AD and burned her body and I need you to get rid of these clothes." ?? Stupid, but not that stupid. He lied. She bought it.

I'm not presuming this woman was even remotely clairvoyant. If she were, duh, they wouldn't be living together. No reason to presume she knew he had just come home from committing a murder. We don't know for a fact what led police so quickly to that home. Perhaps it was a call or visit from her. Meantime, she might have started to put it together and been living in fear and with NO idea what to do.

Think about how common that is in abuse cases. Women are often more fearful to run than stay, because they know the SOB will hunt them down and it would be worse for them. Or at least they've heard that so much they believe it, whether true or not.

Or she could simply just be a total idiot.

She essentially denied her sister got the facts straight. Why is her sister all of a sudden coming out with this, and is queen for a day? Don't know her from Adam (no pun intended).

Sticking by what is clearly she said she said, as that's all there is in the article to go by. And the article is what I'm commenting on.

Since GF "did not elaborate" on what she disputed in her sister's account, we don't know if it was a few minor details (i.e. big stain, but never indicated it as blood stain) or what.

Media can write it any way they want to sell hits.

I would hope sister got it wrong when she stated the GF thinks AJL is innocent. Perhaps she is just trying to goad her into talking. I've seen way stupider things among families. If LE has asked her to stay quiet, good reason to not talk to media.

I'm not going to presume too much at this point about what is going on in her head, but suffice to say I believe AJL messed it up worse than it was already when she made the bonehead move to shop for a daddy in prison.

Am trusting she will "wake up" in due time and crawl out from under the rock she's hiding under for self preservation. And that of her two children. Small town, where is she going to hide?

I could and have seen the media mess up the facts.....but there were many facts stated in it and don't think they could possibly get them all wrong.

It is interesting about the sister tho, since I can find no connection to her. Maybe she is the father's daughter from a prior marriage, or the mother had her in her mid-teens, but can find no link as "relative" from the brother or Eva, nor the mother or father.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 02:18 PM
Still trying to figure this posting thing out. How do you snip things from a post and put things from a post in bold?

You snip by deleting the wording that is not relavant to what you want to reply to.....just don't snip the [quote=POSTER;] your replying to. You can bold highlighting the quote(s) you want to bold and hit the bold button ....the first one B.

Never snip a [quote]....it comes out funky if you do. :)

I just scorched a pot of beans..........:waitasec:

westsidefox64
10-02-2010, 02:19 PM
How do we know she didn't call police?

She is clearly messed up in the head. And you don't wake up from that overnight. Especially when living under same roof as a manipulator. One she might have started to fear, and where do you go?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #3


I guess we dont know she didnt call LE but if she had why would they not have searched the home before AL gave the first interview with the press? JMO but I think thats how LE got the first heads up on the guy.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 02:26 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - KS - Alicia DeBolt - 14 - Great Bend - August 21, 2010, #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5592116&postcount=82)


I guess we dont know she didnt call LE but if she had why would they not have searched the home before AL gave the first interview with the press? JMO but I think thats how LE got the first heads up on the guy.

I think it was her family or her cell phone records. Mom & Dawn showed up at the house the Monday after she disappeared.

hollyblue
10-02-2010, 03:38 PM
Did notice they left the comment section out of that article. ????

cathdawg
10-03-2010, 04:56 AM
OMG, I was busy Oct 2 attending my nieces wedding. Wow, I am now home and I am dumbfounded. I am not sure if I can post this but if you look at Eva's Bro's FB (J) and his wife's (S) you will see that this basically verifies what went down in terms of his sister Eva being so.....anyways, I don't think under WS rules I can link the FB's however if you know where to go, have a look at their recent posts this past Tues or Wed, I am pretty sure those are the dates.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 07:46 AM
OMG, I was busy Oct 2 attending my nieces wedding. Wow, I am now home and I am dumbfounded. I am not sure if I can post this but if you look at Eva's Bro's FB (J) and his wife's (S) you will see that this basically verifies what went down in terms of his sister Eva being so.....anyways, I don't think under WS rules I can link the FB's however if you know where to go, have a look at their recent posts this past Tues or Wed, I am pretty sure those are the dates.

You can post the link....and paraphrase anything you want to highlight re: it's content, you just can't copy and paste any content. Even tho I see it done all the time.:waitasec: You can also, as you did, give the date and time of the post your referring to. Please link. I can't find them. TIA

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 11:28 AM
OMG, I was busy Oct 2 attending my nieces wedding. Wow, I am now home and I am dumbfounded. I am not sure if I can post this but if you look at Eva's Bro's FB (J) and his wife's (S) you will see that this basically verifies what went down in terms of his sister Eva being so.....anyways, I don't think under WS rules I can link the FB's however if you know where to go, have a look at their recent posts this past Tues or Wed, I am pretty sure those are the dates.

I saw that the other day and knew something was up with EMB but never thought it was anything this disturbing.

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Sister -in-laws SBs FB page look at Sept 28th post with 4 comments
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall
Brother JBs FB page look at Sept 29ths post
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 11:57 AM
I could and have seen the media mess up the facts.....but there were many facts stated in it and don't think they could possibly get them all wrong.

It is interesting about the sister tho, since I can find no connection to her. Maybe she is the father's daughter from a prior marriage, or the mother had her in her mid-teens, but can find no link as "relative" from the brother or Eva, nor the mother or father.

I cant find a connection to her either. I believe the genealogy page I found was from EMB and JBs mothers side so IM assuming she must be a daughter of thier father. Link to genealogy page

http://www.chenowethsite.com/chj1jj0.htm

cathdawg
10-03-2010, 12:25 PM
Sister -in-laws SBs FB page look at Sept 28th post with 4 comments
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall
Brother JBs FB page look at Sept 29ths post
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148


When you look at JB's post of Sept 29, he was responding to an earlier comment, made me wonder if he was talking about Eva....maybe I am wrong. I did not take it as disturbing but if JB and SB are discussing Eva, they are basically saying that she is messed up. MOO

Same goes for sis in law .

Sept 28 @ 8:53 am.

cathdawg
10-03-2010, 12:40 PM
FYI

First Capital Murder Trial in Kansas to have online court doc's open to the Public


http://www.hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-motions-online--2

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 02:40 PM
Sister -in-laws SBs FB page look at Sept 28th post with 4 comments
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall
Brother JBs FB page look at Sept 29ths post
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148

OK, now your turn to teach....I keyed in her/his name and GB, KS and got nothing. How did you find them? Thank you, BTW.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 02:45 PM
When you look at JB's post of Sept 29, he was responding to an earlier comment, made me wonder if he was talking about Eva....maybe I am wrong. I did not take it as disturbing but if JB and SB are discussing Eva, they are basically saying that she is messed up. MOO

Same goes for sis in law .

Sept 28 @ 8:53 am.

Sounds like they are pretty frustrated with her and trying their best to talk some sense into her, with no luck. They have been thru a lot, no doubt. She brought this POS into their lives.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 03:05 PM
How do we know she didn't call police?

She is clearly messed up in the head. And you don't wake up from that overnight. Especially when living under same roof as a manipulator. One she might have started to fear, and where do you go?

Start with LE. If her brother or friends couldn't help her, they could put her in touch with people that could. (Safehouse) I just can't believe that LE would put her children in danger, if she was cooperating with them and they had a big clue he was the perp. I agree that you don't wake up from the experience overnight....but you get the H out. I only dated one, but was not left alone. It's terrifying...you vacillate from being scared to furious.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 03:10 PM
I cant find a connection to her either. I believe the genealogy page I found was from EMB and JBs mothers side so IM assuming she must be a daughter of thier father. Link to genealogy page

http://www.chenowethsite.com/chj1jj0.htm

FYI

That's the website I found too.

First Capital Murder Trial in Kansas to have online court doc's open to the Public

http://www.hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-motions-online--2

This has been invaluable, cathdawg. Kudos to the Judge and Webmaster! I be Jade.
http://hutchnews.com/Localregional/Longoria-case-follow--2

amysmom
10-03-2010, 04:07 PM
Sister -in-laws SBs FB page look at Sept 28th post with 4 comments
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall
Brother JBs FB page look at Sept 29ths post
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148

Is it the same 'SB' posting on the 'R.I.P. Alicia Danielle DeBolt' FB page?
(Sept. 29/9:30p)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148#!/pages/RIP-Alicia-Danielle-DeBolt/153692357976160?v=wall

Also, Alicia's sis re-posted her very last post on FB before she was murdered..She talks about going shopping all day which we knew but she also says she hopes she might see 'J'..Do we know who 'J' is?

I hope it's OK to post all the above info. I don't know all the rules on WS re: FB comments. Can someone let me know? TIA!

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 04:36 PM
Is it the same 'SB' posting on the 'R.I.P. Alicia Danielle DeBolt' FB page?
(Sept. 29/9:30p)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148#!/pages/RIP-Alicia-Danielle-DeBolt/153692357976160?v=wall

Also, Alicia's sis re-posted her very last post on FB before she was murdered..She talks about going shopping all day which we knew but she also says she hopes she might see 'J'..Do we know who 'J' is?

I hope it's OK to post all the above info. I don't know all the rules on WS re: FB comments. Can someone let me know? TIA!

LOL. I don't think any of us know all the rules. Here is a link with some of the rules, as a mod has stated, some areas are seen as being in that grey area and left to the mod's descretion. HTH

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95070&page=2

amysmom
10-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Is it the same 'SB' posting on the 'R.I.P. Alicia Danielle DeBolt' FB page?
(Sept. 29/9:30p)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148#!/pages/RIP-Alicia-Danielle-DeBolt/153692357976160?v=wall


I answered my own Q by clicking on SB's name..It is her cos it went to the same SB facebook linked in a post above.

It's says a lot that she's supporting the DeBolt family. I wonder how EB feels about this? :waitasec:

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 05:59 PM
OK, now your turn to teach....I keyed in her/his name and GB, KS and got nothing. How did you find them? Thank you, BTW.

I went to my FB page and searched his name. Then got hers off his friend list. Ive had them saved in my favorites for quite some time.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 06:01 PM
I answered my own Q by clicking on SB's name..It is her cos it went to the same SB facebook linked in a post above.

It's says a lot that she's supporting the DeBolt family. I wonder how EB feels about this? :waitasec:

J is JD who replied in a post on the 27th. Don't know if just friend or what the relationship was.

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 06:03 PM
I went to my FB page and searched his name. Then got hers off his friend list. Ive had them saved in my favorites for quite some time.

Just searching his name brought up many JB's, did you key in anything specific to find it?

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 06:06 PM
Is it the same 'SB' posting on the 'R.I.P. Alicia Danielle DeBolt' FB page?
(Sept. 29/9:30p)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416941148#!/pages/RIP-Alicia-Danielle-DeBolt/153692357976160?v=wall

Also, Alicia's sis re-posted her very last post on FB before she was murdered..She talks about going shopping all day which we knew but she also says she hopes she might see 'J'..Do we know who 'J' is?

I hope it's OK to post all the above info. I don't know all the rules on WS re: FB comments. Can someone let me know? TIA!

Im not exactly sure of the J connection with AD except he is a friend, but he has posted on the R.I.P.Alicia DeBolt FB page several times. SB and JB have both posted thier support for the family on it too.

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 06:10 PM
Just searching his name brought up many JB's, did you key in anything specific to find it?

I put in Great Bend High School in the school section of the refined search.

amysmom
10-03-2010, 07:26 PM
Im not exactly sure of the J connection with AD except he is a friend, but he has posted on the R.I.P.Alicia DeBolt FB page several times. SB and JB have both posted thier support for the family on it too.

Thanks for the info on SB & JB..They seem like good people..I wasn't sure if J was male or female..Do you know if J has a FB or MySpace page? I'm kinda new to FB so my Q is if someone posts on a FB page does it always mean they have their own? TIA!

hollyblue
10-03-2010, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the info on SB & JB..They seem like good people..I wasn't sure if J was male or female..Do you know if J has a FB or MySpace page? I'm kinda new to FB so my Q is if someone posts on a FB page does it always mean they have their own? TIA!

I think you answered your own question again in the your above post #376:

I answered my own Q by clicking on SB's name..It is her cos it went to the same SB facebook linked in a post above.

westsidefox64
10-03-2010, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the info on SB & JB..They seem like good people..I wasn't sure if J was male or female..Do you know if J has a FB or MySpace page? I'm kinda new to FB so my Q is if someone posts on a FB page does it always mean they have their own? TIA!

Ok im going to try to answer all this in order. J is a male. He does have a FB page but its set to private. You do have to have a FB account to post but you can go on and read any pages set to public without an account. From what I have seen J, JB, and SB all seem to be good people thrown into a horrible situation. JMO

cathdawg
10-04-2010, 02:28 PM
FYI: two more responses to motions filed today, discovery and common law marriage.

anyoldtime48
10-04-2010, 03:46 PM
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Start with LE. If her brother or friends couldn't help her, they could put her in touch with people that could. (Safehouse) I just can't believe that LE would put her children in danger, if she was cooperating with them and they had a big clue he was the perp. I agree that you don't wake up from the experience overnight....but you get the H out. I only dated one, but was not left alone. It's terrifying...you vacillate from being scared to furious.

Safehouse? You think these people have the first clue? And perhaps she wasn't trusting of LE (I sure as heck wouldn't be, given a dang court and a piece of worthless paper "preventing" contact).

That works great in the movies, not so much in real life in all areas of the country. Reality is that some people truly have nowhere to go, or at least believe they don't, and from what little we have heard (from her brother on camera, she thought he was Mr Wonderful and signs of abuse. Her head was messed up by this guy, no doubt. But this all went down fast and furious, and IF she got a clue, AD's body was found before a half reasonable person could put it together and make an informed and thoughtful decision.

Think she made one of those when she invited him into her life and home? Not so much. Is she still under his control? Maybe, maybe not.

Quite frankly, I'm disgusted that her brother and some sister who may or may not be a sister (their family genealogy, given she is not charged and on trial, I do not feel should be public fodder) are apparently throwing her under the bus on their public networking pages.

If they were my family and I needed help, I sure as *****-on-a-shingle wouldn't be calling them!

At least give her credit for getting moved out of there as fast as she was arrested.

anyoldtime48
10-04-2010, 03:49 PM
FYI: two more responses to motions filed today, discovery and common law marriage.

Discovery and motion for order of exclusion and separation of witnesses (nothing new on common law).

Pleased to see the State expects to have a large number of witnesses!

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/Response-Motion017.pdf

hollyblue
10-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Safehouse? You think these people have the first clue? And perhaps she wasn't trusting of LE (I sure as heck wouldn't be, given a dang court and a piece of worthless paper "preventing" contact).

That works great in the movies, not so much in real life in all areas of the country. Reality is that some people truly have nowhere to go, or at least believe they don't, and from what little we have heard (from her brother on camera, she thought he was Mr Wonderful and signs of abuse. Her head was messed up by this guy, no doubt. But this all went down fast and furious, and IF she got a clue, AD's body was found before a half reasonable person could put it together and make an informed and thoughtful decision.

Think she made one of those when she invited him into her life and home? Not so much. Is she still under his control? Maybe, maybe not.

Quite frankly, I'm disgusted that her brother and some sister who may or may not be a sister (their family genealogy, given she is not charged and on trial, I do not feel should be public fodder) are apparently throwing her under the bus on their public networking pages.

If they were my family and I needed help, I sure as *****-on-a-shingle wouldn't be calling them!

At least give her credit for getting moved out of there as fast as she was arrested.

Safehouses are a very good option....hence the name. Now if the girlfriend decided afterwards to make contact with abuser again, she would have to leave....prior to contact. Women are very strictly forbidden not to contact their abuser in order to gain admittance to the shelter....it puts everyone there in danger. This is why it's so important in the community to let the women know this is a available to them. I agree with you on an order of protection...they aren't worth the paper they are written on for protection, only if you survive and prosecute...or if you don't survive, it helps against them in court. Ta da.

Where did you see info on her being abused? I must have missed that. I don't doubt that it took place, but I don't remember seeing it anywhere.

EMB's head was pretty well not screwed on tight before she met AL, imo. Who in their right mind starts a love affair via written word to a prison inmate and then invites them into their home...WITH CHILDREN. He had to cut the shirt into 3 pcs and discard in different locations for what? A strange love ritual? She had from Sat night till Friday to figure it out...and all the questions westsidefox64 mentioned previously should have given anyone with a half a brain a whiff of alarm. Maybe she didn't want to fess up to the family where she actually met him? Could be they had no idea what she brought in amongst them and was scared. I could understand that...if it was just her, but she has kids. Would love to be a fly on the wall for their psychological evaluation right now. If she is still under his control....she's the one giving him that power....not him and she has to realize that. Unless....dear God what if she's pregnant? :banghead:

As far as the family, the brother was there for her to help her move and the only thing I've seen on personal pages is concern and disturbance because she apparently doesn't want to take their advice. It sorta tells me that she may be in too deep.....I'm not ready to take it off the table, that she may be more involved than we know....and that includes more than just destroying evidence. Did you ever think that she may have been so insecure about her relationship, that she may have done more? Felt her security was being challenged by a young 14 old girl with no ties....like children? What would happen if AD came up pregnant from him? Etc. Just moo, but I don't think AD did, and I would be shocked if she did, but I'm keeping my mind open for anything and everything at this point. Just why in the world would she think he was innocent...if that story is true....and he's an ex-con who's been in prison college for the last 18 years???

The sister from left field....maybe there was tension because of the family.. Maybe when the father passed, there was conflict over the estate? EMB had a low-income grant/loan, whatever it's called, in 2006 and 07 for over 10K for home repairs. Where is that house now? The telling sister is not on the brother's FB page as a friend/contact. And I do believe the sister and brother's testimony to what EMB told them will indeed be used in court. If that story is true, I'd be finding a good lawyer...pronto. Personally, I think she needs one and will be looking for that in the media in the near future. IMO

As far as her moving out after he was arrested.....her illusion of security was gone...or if she was more involved...the whole house of cards is caving in on her..fast and furiously.

JMO

ETA: If she does decide to agree it was a common law marriage, then she's liable for all his debts too.....nice bill waiting for her from the bar. Whew, expensive hotdog.

hollyblue
10-06-2010, 06:35 PM
State seeks ruling on murder suspect's marital status

Attorney General Steve Six has asked the court to rule on whether a common law marriage exists between capital murder suspect Adam Longoria and Eva Brown, the woman he was living with at the time of his arrest.

http://www.gbtribune.com/section/1/article/2173/

westsidefox64
10-06-2010, 06:58 PM
State seeks ruling on murder suspect's marital status

Attorney General Steve Six has asked the court to rule on whether a common law marriage exists between capital murder suspect Adam Longoria and Eva Brown, the woman he was living with at the time of his arrest.

http://www.gbtribune.com/section/1/article/2173/

I hope the judge has seen the same articles we have and sees where EB denys being married to him. I would assume thats all it would take. I think the girl is crazy for even thinking about saying she wants to be married to him. I wonder if it is denied if they will end up legally getting married before he goes to court. I would guess this wouldnt be an issue if she wasnt standing by him...seems to be common sense something has to be going on or she would just deny it. IMO

hollyblue
10-06-2010, 07:06 PM
On the SIL's FB she talks about her son asking about Eva's kids and where they are. Commenting it makes her smile and sad at the same time. Remarks he can't pronounce it. So....???

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall

hollyblue
10-06-2010, 07:19 PM
I hope the judge has seen the same articles we have and sees where EB denys being married to him. I would assume thats all it would take. I think the girl is crazy for even thinking about saying she wants to be married to him. I wonder if it is denied if they will end up legally getting married before he goes to court. I would guess this wouldnt be an issue if she wasnt standing by him...seems to be common sense something has to be going on or she would just deny it. IMO
Agree. "Something" is going on.
I wonder if it's just a question of her agreeing or if it would matter....legally? It makes you think twice before moving in with anyone as a roomy.

I was living with someone and they were getting ready to move, then they were in a terrible accident. The hospital sent me a letter wanting to know about my assets. I flipped. That was not in KS and many years ago, but it made me think twice about ever allowing someone to live-in.

westsidefox64
10-06-2010, 07:53 PM
On the SIL's FB she talks about her son asking about Eva's kids and where they are. Commenting it makes her smile and sad at the same time. Remarks he can't pronounce it. So....???

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall

HMMM same FB page Sept 5th post made me think EB and kids had moved in with JB AND SB. Wonder where they are?

hollyblue
10-06-2010, 10:03 PM
HMMM same FB page Sept 5th post made me think EB and kids had moved in with JB AND SB. Wonder where they are?


I noticed her address at 1801 was listed on a search site, but is no longer there. I keep watching for a new addy. Nothing yet. It's been a month since she moved from that house...maybe she got a place of her own again. The kids needs some stability. Nothing more to comment on that at the moment.

In the beginning AL said he would get his own lawyer...maybe expecting his "wife" to help in that department? She may be needing her own.

westsidefox64
10-06-2010, 10:39 PM
I noticed her address at 1801 was listed on a search site, but is no longer there. I keep watching for a new addy. Nothing yet. It's been a month since she moved from that house...maybe she got a place of her own again. The kids needs some stability. Nothing more to comment on that at the moment.

In the beginning AL said he would get his own lawyer...maybe expecting his "wife" to help in that department? She may be needing her own.

I thought he had a lawyer of his own to begin with. I can go back for links if need be. The morning the neighbor gave him a ride to take the compny truck he was calling his attorney and if im not mistaken the video where he showed the cell phone screen he didnt tell LE about the friend who wanted money because his lawyer told him not to tell LE anything unless they specifically asked about it.

hollyblue
10-07-2010, 03:01 AM
I thought he had a lawyer of his own to begin with. I can go back for links if need be. The morning the neighbor gave him a ride to take the compny truck he was calling his attorney and if im not mistaken the video where he showed the cell phone screen he didnt tell LE about the friend who wanted money because his lawyer told him not to tell LE anything unless they specifically asked about it.

IF, he was telling the truth, maybe his retainer decided not to take the case or AL discovered he really couldn't afford him or anyone else.

hollyblue
10-07-2010, 06:11 PM
10/07/2010Motion For Specific Discovery (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-022.pdf)
10/07/2010Motion For a Standing Order Allowing the Parties to File Under Seal (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-021.pdf)
10/07/2010Motion to Transcribe all Proceedings (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-020.pdf)
10/07/2010Defendant's Response to States Motion to Determine Existence of Common Law Marriage (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-019.pdf)
10/07/2010Defendant's Invocation of Spousal/Marital Privilege (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-018.pdf)



Five more motions filed today: They are asking for approval to file under seal = we won't know what is filed...:(

Also, she must be agreeing to the "marriage".
They are going for it. :(
:banghead:


OT: I knew I'd be rewarded for eating those scorched beans....I found King Crab marked down to $5.49/lb. and lavished in it and the butter last night...plus omelet this morning w/avocado. Yummmie. :dance:

cathdawg
10-08-2010, 04:20 PM
I can not believe that EB will go ahead with this common law marriage situ. It just blows me away that there is no minimum requirement of time ! EB must be memorized by this creep (AL). Unbelievable, he most likely knew this all along as he always referred to EB as his Wife . OMG she needs to see someone to knock some sense into her head, what is she thinking !


Common Law Marriages FYI
A common law marriage is a marriage by agreement of the two persons without any formal ceremony or license. A common law marriage will be recognized in Kansas if the couple considers themselves to be married and publicly holds themselves out to be married and if they are legally eligible to marry. No minimum period of cohabitation is required.

Common Law marriages are subject to the same legal obligations and privileges that apply to marriages with licenses. Once a common law marriage is established, the couple must get a court ordered divorce to terminate the marriage.

LINK: http://www.ksbar.org/public/public_resources/pamphlets/marriage_divorce.shtml

cathdawg
10-08-2010, 04:35 PM
FYI:

A few comments re AL and EB common law, about 6 posts down

http://www.facebook.com/gbtribune

cathdawg
10-08-2010, 05:05 PM
If marital status (common law) is granted than EB will not have to testify against AL as it would be considered privileged communication ??? did I read this right? I hope not!


http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p084.htm

cathdawg
10-08-2010, 05:45 PM
I am wondering if EB is divorced from her last union, with last name N? Am I allowed to post the surname ? TIA

westsidefox64
10-08-2010, 06:38 PM
I am wondering if EB is divorced from her last union, with last name N? Am I allowed to post the surname ? TIA


I would assume she must be or it wouldnt be an issue. She would have to be single to meet the riteria for common law.

hollyblue
10-08-2010, 07:01 PM
If marital status (common law) is granted than EB will not have to testify against AL as it would be considered privileged communication ??? did I read this right? I hope not!
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p084.htm (http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p084.htm)

You read it right. Ugh.


I am wondering if EB is divorced from her last union, with last name N? Am I allowed to post the surname ? TIA

I did. Her name was listed on court docs, so Nunez was her name at one time. She must have taken her maiden name back after the divorce.

I would assume she must be or it wouldnt be an issue. She would have to be single to meet the riteria for common law.

I agree. I'd like to know what hold he has on her. I can't believe it's "love". I think he's holding some type of knowledge over her head. jmo.
What does he have to offer her as far as a future? She can't remarry unless that marriage is desolved...great future and role model for the kids to live with and up too. Dunce <;(

westsidefox64
10-08-2010, 07:15 PM
You read it right. Ugh.




I did. Her name was listed on court docs, so Nunez was her name at one time. She must have taken her maiden name back after the divorce.



I agree. I'd like to know what hold he has on her. I can't believe it's "love". I think he's holding some type of knowledge over her head. jmo.
What does he have to offer her as far as a future? She can't remarry unless that marriage is desolved...great future and role model for the kids to live with and up too. Dunce <;(

I dont think she can have much self esteem. A person who is content with themselves isnt going to become a pen pal with a hardened criminal and move that person in with her and her children. I think she believes he loves her and he makes her feel like shes important to him. Which I guess at this point in his life she is important because she knows things about him he wants her to keep quiet about. He apparently knows how to get around the laws and turn them to his advantage. I just hope the AG has more on him than she can hide for him. JMHO

hollyblue
10-08-2010, 07:32 PM
I dont think she can have much self esteem. A person who is content with themselves isnt going to become a pen pal with a hardened criminal and move that person in with her and her children. I think she believes he loves her and he makes her feel like shes important to him. Which I guess at this point in his life she is important because she knows things about him he wants her to keep quiet about. He apparently knows how to get around the laws and turn them to his advantage. I just hope the AG has more on him than she can hide for him. JMHO


I hope he does too....and knowing how our perp isn't the brightest bulb in the room, I'm keeping the faith it's a done deal.

I feel so sorry for Eva's kids. Wonder where the Xhubby is? I'd rather be alone than to take a 9 time loser. Geezz

cathdawg
10-09-2010, 01:14 AM
I realize that EB most likely is Divorced from JN however it is very frustrating in regards to records in Barton County, from what I have found out, he lives in GB KS.



OT: hollyblue, my mouth was watering with your description of having a meal of King Crab and butter, yum....and what a deal! I can't believe the price, it is about $15 - $20 bucks a lb where I live.

cathdawg
10-09-2010, 12:01 PM
Maybe I am reading too much into this but IR on Oct 2 nd states he got his phone back. I assume LE took it for info.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=858895301&v=wall&ref=ts

cathdawg
10-09-2010, 01:22 PM
From what I gather JB and EB are the only two children of KB and JB. I went to the page of http://www.kscourts.org/kansas-courts/district-courts/default.asp and submitted the surname 'Brown', and a wrongful death case involving their Mother (K) in June 1998. They were named as minors in the Estate.

http://judicial.kscourts.org:7780/pls/coa/CLERKS_OFFICE.list_case

So....I know 'Brown' is a very common name but I have no clue where the sister Lisa comes into play. Unless.....the court only listed the children that were minors at the time.

hollyblue
10-09-2010, 02:36 PM
I realize that EB most likely is Divorced from JN however it is very frustrating in regards to records in Barton County, from what I have found out, he lives in GB KS.



OT: hollyblue, my mouth was watering with your description of having a meal of King Crab and butter, yum....and what a deal! I can't believe the price, it is about $15 - $20 bucks a lb where I live.


I was thinking Wichita. I found a link to a J&E N, not THE couple, but a relatives....maybe his parents.

OT: They now have it on sale at $5.99.lb and boy am I tempted. It's usually $11/lb here. But, considering $6/lb for catfish and around 8 for salmon, I'm very tempted. We had our first cold spell here last night and it was 49 at 8 this morning. Brrrr. I am still in my shorts and flip flops as it has been in the high 70's all week. Thinking of getting it and freezing for crab bisque later on. I made broth from the shells and a bit of salmon I had left over from the half I bought on sale and divy-ed up. I had gotten my freezer down to just fruits and veggies and had to restock. Should be good for 2-3 mos now.

westsidefox64
10-09-2010, 05:22 PM
From what I gather JB and EB are the only two children of KB and JB. I went to the page of http://www.kscourts.org/kansas-courts/district-courts/default.asp and submitted the surname 'Brown', and a wrongful death case involving their Mother (K) in June 1998. They were named as minors in the Estate.

http://judicial.kscourts.org:7780/pls/coa/CLERKS_OFFICE.list_case

So....I know 'Brown' is a very common name but I have no clue where the sister Lisa comes into play. Unless.....the court only listed the children that were minors at the time.

I must be blind im not finding it

cathdawg
10-09-2010, 05:49 PM
westsidefox try this

http://judicial.kscourts.org:7780/pls/coa/CLERKS_OFFICE.request_case

insert last name 'Brown' county 'Barton'

once there hit the case #

cathdawg
10-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Just a news clip re sealed motions re witnesses FYI

http://www.hutchnews.com/Localregional/Longoria-case-follow--5

cathdawg
10-11-2010, 07:18 PM
I think this AL


Ad: 'friendsbeyondthewall'

http://www.123people.ca/s/adam+longoria/great+bend+ks

Go down to images and you will see him in his cowboy hat (images 4 & 7 )

Maybe this is how Eva met him!

cathdawg
10-11-2010, 07:24 PM
OMG, It looks like he had a professional photographer take these pic's IN JAIL.

http://www.123people.ca/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=adam%20longoria&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Flrd.yahooapis.com%2F_ylc%3 DX3oDMTVnMDk1NnFqBF9TAzIwMjMxNTI3MDIEYXBwaWQDc1k3W lo2clYzNEhSZm5ZdGVmcmkzRUx4VG5makpERG5QOWVKV1NGSkJ HcTJ1V1dFa0xVdm5IYnNBeUNyVkd5Y2REVElUX2tlBGNsaWVud ANib3NzBHNlcnZpY2UDQk9TUwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEc3JjcHZpZAN TVGFGRFdLSWNycUM2RmQxclB2bVJZT1BXODV4STB5em5DWUFCN k9f%2FSIG%3D11u9l0jph%2F**http%253A%2F%2Fwww.write aprisoner.com%2FTemplate.aspx%253Fi%3Dz-1233335&section=image&wrt_id=232

Notice the autograph on the brim of his hat, I can't make out the name but my guess is that it might be his own or....a rodeo dude. Ugh, he thinks he's hot. This must be the infamous hat he shipped back to TX.

wasnt_me
10-12-2010, 02:26 AM
I knew you could do it.:woohoo: Thanks.

Can't recall the blog of Dawn's your speaking of. First time I've seen that entry on NG's blog. Interesting. He didn't want to tell them they met thru prison correspondence? Loved to have known if the "boss" did a background check? I'm guessing no.

As far as the rodeo champion, I think I remember seeing where one of the prison' in TX do have a rodeo competion...maybe for charity...but the prisoners do win a little something if they win the competion. Maybe he was the champion rodeo clown.....or that's where he picked up his BS?
LOL.:waitasec:

Oh we know what kind of Rodeo competition he was involved in while in prison.:innocent:

I have a really hard time believing the story told by SB.

First, I thought he mailed jeans and boots to TX? I guess these are not the attire he wore that night?
second, Smelling like gas? the house smelling lke gas that badly? No one else smelled that? LE or news never reported this odor before and anyone could ahve smelled it if it were THAT strong and lasting. Maybe that's why the car was confiscated, I don't know, but
three What about the party at his house? the one the neighbor claimed to have gone to? That couldnt have happened according to SB's tale.
4, what kind of fuel does that incinerator at the plant run on? if he knew how to operate that thing, wouldn't smelling its fuel in their house be normal? why take AD to the plant just to use regular disel fuel for burning her?
5 what about the story where he came home from work the next day all dirty?

The story in 5 doesn't coincide with SB's story.

Not saying SB is lying, but this story is awfully dramatic and if true, why the hell would EB EVER hold up the common law privilage for this man? Just because the law states that they can't make her testify doesn't mean she can't voluntarily do it.

I just believe the crime wasn't premediated and it took longer than the time frame SB sets up.

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Oh we know what kind of Rodeo competition he was involved in while in prison.:innocent:

I have a really hard time believing the story told by SB.

First, I thought he mailed jeans and boots to TX? I guess these are not the attire he wore that night?
second, Smelling like gas? the house smelling lke gas that badly? No one else smelled that? LE or news never reported this odor before and anyone could ahve smelled it if it were THAT strong and lasting. Maybe that's why the car was confiscated, I don't know, but
three What about the party at his house? the one the neighbor claimed to have gone to? That couldnt have happened according to SB's tale.
4, what kind of fuel does that incinerator at the plant run on? if he knew how to operate that thing, wouldn't smelling its fuel in their house be normal? why take AD to the plant just to use regular disel fuel for burning her?
5 what about the story where he came home from work the next day all dirty?

The story in 5 doesn't coincide with SB's story.

Not saying SB is lying, but this story is awfully dramatic and if true, why the hell would EB EVER hold up the common law privilage for this man? Just because the law states that they can't make her testify doesn't mean she can't voluntarily do it.

I just believe the crime wasn't premediated and it took longer than the time frame SB sets up.


Who is SB? I know of the SIL, SB, who is JB's wife, but I don't know of the story she told? LB was the "sister" who did the media interview, which told of the fuel smell, cutting the shirt, etc, that as far as I know...no one can locate or substantiate. ???

Can she really tesitify voluntarily if the courts say they are recognized as a married couple or does the law absolutely forbid it?

The only reason I can come up with why she would maintain to "stand by her man" is....he has some kind of knowledge he's holding over her head. Fear. Now he's a proven liar....so unless he can prove "whatever", if this is case, she's fearing for nothing but BS.

Also, just noticed on the SIL's FB page she is talking about change coming. Hopefully, it is EMB's mind! I keep worrying about those kids...they are at such a crititcal age these days. I worry if they are being bullied or mistreated by their peers for their mother's decisions. Can she make the proper decisions for them.....after her destructive ones? I'd like to see EMB use this to turn her life around in the right direction; but is it too late? She is at a critical crossroads.

ETA: It was jeans and cowboy HATS he mailed. I had thought I read somewhere at sometime that it was boots too...but it was hats.

I guess they stopped the rodeo in TX prisons quite a while ago. I had seen it on the tube, but they didn't say they were no longer going on. Here's link: http://www.txprisonmuseum.org/articles/rodeo_history.html

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 11:59 AM
According to this news clip he mailed the following items:


The only belongings sent to Texas were two cowboy hats and a pair of pants, Longoria said, and he had a duffle bag with three pairs of underwear and a pair of pants when he was arrested.



http://www.salina.com/news/Story/Great-Bend-hearing-8-30-10-clone

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 02:20 PM
I have been mulling over a few pieces of the puzzle in this case. I still wonder if Alicia met AL long before EB's BD on July 17. I believe TC and DC were wed on June 12 and then went on a Honeymoon, however I do not know when and for how long. Rumor has it that they went to the Carolina's for 3 weeks. I also did not realize that Alicia was TC only Bio Child.

I am now wondering if 'Tiffany' on AL's cell phone (Mon Aug 23) was in fact Mom of Alicia's friend (D). Perhaps she was texting AL to see when he last saw Alicia. AL. I might be wrong but I think this creep AL put himself front and center into Alicia's life and that people around her knew this.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Ad8eszqE27QJZGduamhxd2NfMGduaGZ4cmY4&sort=name&layout=list&pid=0B98eszqE27QJYzI5NmM3OGEtNzlhNy00Yzk3LWFmMDktZ DAwYTJmNDEzOGY5

PS 'wasnt me', thanks for the doc links.

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 02:33 PM
Venture Corp re Asphalt and the use of diesel fuel:

'Venture uses more than one million gallons of diesel annually and 1.5 million gallons of burner fuel to heat the asphalt".

http://www.greatbend.org/featured_venture.cfm

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 04:11 PM
I have been mulling over a few pieces of the puzzle in this case. I still wonder if Alicia met AL long before EB's BD on July 17. I believe TC and DC were wed on June 12 and then went on a Honeymoon, however I do not know when and for how long. Rumor has it that they went to the Carolina's for 3 weeks. I also did not realize that Alicia was TC only Bio Child.

I am now wondering if 'Tiffany' on AL's cell phone (Mon Aug 23) was in fact Mom of Alicia's friend (D). Perhaps she was texting AL to see when he last saw Alicia. AL. I might be wrong but I think this creep AL put himself front and center into Alicia's life and that people around her knew this. https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Ad8eszqE27QJZGduamhxd2NfMGduaGZ4cmY4&sort=name&layout=list&pid=0B98eszqE27QJYzI5NmM3OGEtNzlhNy00Yzk3LWFmMDktZ DAwYTJmNDEzOGY5

PS 'wasnt me', thanks for the doc links.

BBM I always thought it was her too, seeing what she could find out for the family.

I wonder if she stayed with her father during their honeymoon? As I mentioned before, the father's gf is the same age as EMB and was thinking maybe they knew each other and this is how AL came into JD's life. Maybe with kids around the same age, or shoot, it's such a small town, maybe on the same bowling league, went to the same bars, work together, etc.

Love to know if the two Longoria's who use to live in GB? were related in any way to AL. RL is the same age as AD's mother. You have to enter "longoria" and GB, KS


http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=resultswp

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 04:33 PM
Found this LB...sister?....on AD's step-father's FB. It's private.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001236047277&ref=search#!/profile.php?id=1470711388

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 06:20 PM
Thanks hollyblue. If I can find a post on NG's FB , the LB you mentioned above, posted on NG's site , I remember her KS chicken or whatever it is.

I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out where this sis LB fits in, she is not listed in the Family tree.

Rumor has it that Alicia stayed at home when TC & DC went on their Honeymoon.

I will try and find the NG post and the family tree link!

PS thanks for info re Longoria's in KS

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 06:22 PM
Link for Family Tree



LINK: http://www.chenowethsite.com/chj1jj0.htm

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 06:36 PM
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=56641053286&share_id=139747072732984&comments=1


Go: to the Aug 27 th post , scroll down a bit. Lisa A Brown 11 posts down.

Lisa A Brown
The world now knows 36-year-old Adam Longoria as a "person of interest" in the killing of 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt...........see more

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 07:09 PM
Thanks hollyblue. If I can find a post on NG's FB , the LB you mentioned above, posted on NG's site , I remember her KS chicken or whatever it is.

I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out where this sis LB fits in, she is not listed in the Family tree.

Rumor has it that Alicia stayed at home when TC & DC went on their Honeymoon.

I will try and find the NG post and the family tree link!

PS thanks for info re Longoria's in KS

I don't know much about FB, but cannot find anywhere where she was made a "friend" on his site. I went all the way back to the beginning of his postings. Is it just me...fumbling... or why would this be?

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Link for Family Tree

................ LINK: http://www.chenowethsite.com/chj1jj0.htm

You need to edit your post like this. Can't list minor names. !!!!

This is where I got the info while back. I'm more convinced, if the paper that had the article is correct, she is from a earlier marriage. She's 10 years older than the brother. She's not listed as a "friend" on the other sibling's FB sites. Sooo? And as far as I can tell, has never posted on AD's father's site, although a friend. ???

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 07:42 PM
Yikes, I will edit stat!

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 08:08 PM
I don't know much about FB, but cannot find anywhere where she was made a "friend" on his site. I went all the way back to the beginning of his postings. Is it just me...fumbling... or why would this be?

That is odd, if you were able to go back since his start on FB it should show up that they became friends.

I have gone through his FB and I also can not see when they became friends!

cathdawg
10-12-2010, 08:58 PM
I have email the admin as my edit button is time sensitive.

hollyblue
10-12-2010, 11:05 PM
I have email the admin as my edit button is time sensitive.

Good deal. I believe the time limit to edit is only 2 hours. ??

cathdawg
10-13-2010, 12:38 PM
FYI: 3 new motions added.

westsidefox64
10-13-2010, 02:51 PM
just a quick check in. Im battling a sick bug :( JMO but I think LB to be the daughter of JB not KB. thus the reason shes not showing on KBs geneology or the wrongful death suit.

Tikki
10-16-2010, 10:06 PM
I don't really know how to bring things forward, but in my signature below is a link to two video transcripts, including the infamous AL interview, and the photos from the cell phone, so far. probably will be adding more stuff and anyone can message me if they want to add something to it. I believe I have the documents open for editing if anyone wants to edit.

THANK YOU so Much for this...soooo helpful!

:rose:

cathdawg
10-18-2010, 05:04 PM
More motions filed today AND it is very interesting that AL has withdrawn his claim that he and EB were in a common law relationship, hmmmm maybe she has seen the light!


Filing Document 10/18/2010 Defendent's Response to State's Motion For Reciprocal Discovery (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-024.pdf) 10/18/2010 Motion to Find K.S.A. 22-3212(b)(5) Unconstitutional (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-023.pdf) 10/18/2010 State's Response to Defendant's Motion for a Standing Order Allowing the Parties to File under Seal (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/Response-Motion021.pdf) 10/18/2010 (19b) Defendent's Second Response to States Motion to Determine Existence of Common Law Marraige (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-019b.pdf) 10/18/2010 Memorandum of Law Re: Common Law Marriage (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/State-Filing-B.pdf)

hollyblue
10-18-2010, 05:19 PM
Gearing up to Thursday!!

**Longoria/Defense changing story on the marriage being common law...

*Six stated the common law marriage purported by AL is CACA. ie: baloney, BS. ;)


10/18/2010Defendent's Response to State's Motion For Reciprocal Discovery (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-024.pdf)
10/18/2010Motion to Find K.S.A. 22-3212(b)(5) Unconstitutional (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-023.pdf)
#10/18/2010State's Response to Defendant's Motion for a Standing Order Allowing the Parties to File under Seal (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/Response-Motion021.pdf)

**10/18/2010(19b) Defendent's Second Response to States Motion to Determine Existence of Common Law Marraige (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-019b.pdf)

*10/18/2010Memorandum of Law Re: Common Law Marriage (http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Plaintiff/State-Filing-B.pdf)

hollyblue
10-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Our timing is unreal. LOL!

cathdawg
10-19-2010, 06:54 PM
FYI

http://www.hutchnews.com/Localregional/Longoria-case-follow--7


Six opposes call to seal motions.

hollyblue
10-21-2010, 11:16 AM
Here we go....can you believe this....his lawyer is sick!

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Longoria-hearing-postponed/MwM6DB7BNUaCL0cX3_wSXQ.cspx

cathdawg
10-21-2010, 11:28 AM
Thanks hollyblue, typical Lawyer BS.

hollyblue
10-21-2010, 03:23 PM
Rescheduled in Nov.:

Many of the motions scheduled to be heard today in the killing of 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt had been settled by agreement or dropped, including a controversy over whether Longoria was married.
Barton County District Judge Hannelore Kitts will now be hearing the motions on Nov. 18, when Longoria is set for a preliminary hearing.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/21/1551460/first-hearing-in-teens-killing.html#ixzz131Tpzg7G

cathdawg
11-01-2010, 02:05 PM
Not really news worthy, just an order to transport the ' Creep ' from Sedgwick County Jail to Barton County Jail for Court appearance Nov 18 th .

cathdawg
11-02-2010, 02:22 PM
Saw this on SB's FB, I wonder if EB's Children are in some kind of Care.....about 9 posts down. SB comments about niece coming over for a one hr visit and makes reference to 'taking baby steps'

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall

wasnt_me
11-03-2010, 12:18 AM
THANK YOU so Much for this...soooo helpful!

:rose:

You're welcome. I've been gone. Gotta catch up with you guys on this case.

wasnt_me
11-03-2010, 12:48 AM
Who is SB? I know of the SIL, SB, who is JB's wife, but I don't know of the story she told? LB was the "sister" who did the media interview, which told of the fuel smell, cutting the shirt, etc, that as far as I know...no one can locate or substantiate. ???

Can she really tesitify voluntarily if the courts say they are recognized as a

Yeah. I'm talking about the SIL story about EB talking about AL coming home with blood on his shirt, smelling like gas or whatever. I dont believe that story.

hollyblue
11-03-2010, 05:34 PM
Saw this on SB's FB, I wonder if EB's Children are in some kind of Care.....about 9 posts down. SB comments about niece coming over for a one hr visit and makes reference to 'taking baby steps'

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=504627314&v=wall

I hope so. I've been reading the brother and S's FB page for awhile. I like them, they seem to be trying very hard in their sister's life, as well as deal with probs of their own. I wish them well and all the luck in the world. Not to mention they like the Stones. LOL Sorta like the twilight zone, I had been thinking about that particular song for the last few weeks...it was one of my favs back in the 60's. Weird. The Stones helped me thru some very difficult times in my life back then in my teens. Actually thru many rough times. I'm NOT old, just mature and graying. (Platinum) :angel:

hollyblue
11-03-2010, 05:39 PM
Yeah. I'm talking about the SIL story about EB talking about AL coming home with blood on his shirt, smelling like gas or whatever. I dont believe that story.

Just curious why you don't believe it? I do find it rather strange that LB seems to have showed up out of nowhere, then disappeared, not mentioned by JB and SB, but shows up on AD's step father's FB page.
Wasn't it mentioned that she told the brother the same thing tho?

westsidefox64
11-10-2010, 11:48 AM
Now that Steve Six has been voted out of office, How will that impact this case?

cathdawg
11-10-2010, 04:43 PM
Someone signed the continuance motion for SIX on Nov 9, 2010, so....maybe it will be a smooth transition, at least I hope so, do not want to see a bunch of delays for the sake Alicia's Family.

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/JournalEntry/20100921%20-%20Continuance%20of%209-10-2010.pdf

cathdawg
11-10-2010, 04:49 PM
New Kansas AG

http://www.derekschmidt.org/

cathdawg
11-10-2010, 04:52 PM
http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/JournalEntry/20100810-JournalEntry-NuncProTunc.pdf


FYI, Nov 8, 2010 "journal entry motions"

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 06:48 AM
Bumping for Alicia. Longoria's hearing is today.

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=13527594

cathdawg
11-18-2010, 09:10 AM
Live Stream for today's Preliminary Hearing


http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-hearing-longoria-111810,0,75977.story

(left side of article)

westsidefox64
11-18-2010, 10:49 AM
Live Stream for today's Preliminary Hearing


http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-hearing-longoria-111810,0,75977.story

(left side of article)

I cant watch it :( Can someone post a transcript PLEASE???

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 01:22 PM
I don't know what time hearing started, but I began listening at 10:45. Interview of EB.

I can't believe she still sees him and is waiting to see the outcome....whether or not to marry!

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 01:24 PM
I cant watch it :( Can someone post a transcript PLEASE???

I'm taking notes, but I can't get the whole transcript.

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 02:05 PM
I'm bring the map over. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.872859,-97.667942&spn=0.065085,0.109863&z=13

The hearing is also being being blogged from a reporter....from the link provided above.
Court has recessed for lunch....expected to be all day long.

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 02:15 PM
They're back in court now.

westsidefox64
11-18-2010, 02:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Top-Stories-Photos-Adam-Joseph-Longoria-left-talks-attorney-Jeff-Wicks-during-hearing/ss/705/im:/101118/480/urn_publicid_ap_org97a560ba189f4a81a74577b68a13108 b/
He sure changed his appearance I wouldnt have been able to pick him out of a crowd

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Wow! Great to have live feed and a back up blog by reporter. Of course AL looked like a charismatic preacher in his appearance. All spiffy with a new suit, glasses and polish haircut. Feel for the family to have to listen and be in the same room with this monster .....

From what I've heard and gathered. It took all of 45 minutes to pick her up, sodomize and kill her. He had this all planned from the get go.

The girlfriend, Eva Brown......................she is in dire need of counseling or there are 2 reasons why she is behind him.....either he has something on her....and I'm betting it has to do with something about the kids.....or she was directly involved somehow, but she is not being truthful. She just confirmed to the prosecution YESTERDAY, in talking with them, that AL smelled like gas when he returned home. Her testimony does not exactly match up with other witness's testimony. Lisa, the mystery sister, was on line with blog. The witnesses had the option of being on camera.....EB requested not to be, as did a casual acquaintance of AL's. Who stated AL asked him to be his alibi and say he was at Willy J's that night.

Will give a timeline and recap in a bit.

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Longoria in court today:
http://media.trb.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-11/57725903-18114404.jpg

Mugshot:
http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/683128/1282933350056.JPEG

~greeneyedgirl~
11-18-2010, 05:26 PM
http://media.trb.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-11/57725903-18114404.jpg

Longoria in court today.



WOW...what a difference, I hate hate hate that he is allowed to clean up like that, I know all about rights and blah blah blah......I find it very disturbing


sorry rant over:angel:

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 05:31 PM
This article was updated, but the reporter didn't change some of the story....
He's held over for trial.

http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-cd-hearing-longoria-111810,0,75977.story

~greeneyedgirl~
11-18-2010, 05:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9x70YtzYVo&playnext=1&list=PLD34112C098CCA315&index=17

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 07:01 PM
Here is the what I have so far on the timeline gathered from the preliminary hearing. Plz forgive any spelling errors or grammar....will fix later.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFFxb4ov4WkOPr4rWqQFTKikiDEiMpm0fZpuJU5z_ek/edit?hl=en&authkey=CMeKvJgD

westsidefox64
11-18-2010, 07:52 PM
I got to see a couple blogs. Thanks Holly for your updates! Today is my 46th birthday and my wish is to see AL fry for what he did to this precious baby. To take her out and rape her is bad enough, but when you find out he duct taped her mouth and legs(SHUDDER) You know she was still alive then or why bother. I wonder if she was alive while hes in town spending less than $1.50 in gasoline to finish her off.... I cant imagine her mom sitting in court hearing these things, I hope someone told her ahead of time what to expect.How can EB even contemplate marrying the SOB??? She has problems! I cant even come close to understanding her reasoning. EB RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!! I hope AL gets the DP and I hope it doesnt take right away ...He NEEDS TO SUFFER !!!!! Whats the deal with possibly a third party??? Why isnt anyone else being charged??? I wonder if the guy he called for an aliby is the same one he accused of calling him for cash to get away???? I honestly hope he wasnt involved just because one monster going after this poor baby makes my heart break the thought of her having to fight off 2 makes me sick beyond thought!!!JMO

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 10:01 PM
The timeline and recap DO NOT contain the same info. I left the times out of the recap. Some graphic data............

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TGb4m0LmpCVQzivNrAKbuftgmB58aT8BF32BnWYqqsI/edit?hl=en&authkey=CP7_qfAL

hollyblue
11-18-2010, 10:12 PM
I got to see a couple blogs. Thanks Holly for your updates! Today is my 46th birthday and my wish is to see AL fry for what he did to this precious baby. To take her out and rape her is bad enough, but when you find out he duct taped her mouth and legs(SHUDDER) You know she was still alive then or why bother. I wonder if she was alive while hes in town spending less than $1.50 in gasoline to finish her off.... I cant imagine her mom sitting in court hearing these things, I hope someone told her ahead of time what to expect.How can EB even contemplate marrying the SOB??? She has problems! I cant even come close to understanding her reasoning. EB RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!! I hope AL gets the DP and I hope it doesnt take right away ...He NEEDS TO SUFFER !!!!! Whats the deal with possibly a third party??? Why isnt anyone else being charged??? I wonder if the guy he called for an aliby is the same one he accused of calling him for cash to get away???? I honestly hope he wasnt involved just because one monster going after this poor baby makes my heart break the thought of her having to fight off 2 makes me sick beyond thought!!!JMO


Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!

JMO....but he was either very, very, very upset she had dissed him...or she did or said something to really, really, pizz him off. ???? He'a a cruel SOB.

Re: Eva....she's either totally lost her marbles or is going along with the story of still caring....I'm sure she didn't know any of the other testimony today, unless she was allowed to stay in the courtroom????? I'm sure her sister, Lisa, who was on the blog, will fill her in, if not. It's so hard to try and imagine a person to be that evil and doing what he did. I just can't fathom it....as reality....but, I know it happens. Dear Lord. :(

cathdawg
11-19-2010, 02:52 AM
Oh boy.... I had to leave today, damn....Thank you hollyblue and All Others!

cathdawg
11-19-2010, 03:10 AM
EB, JMO but she is messed up. EB came across to me as someone on the defense, very weak however comes across ........a total scam.

hollyblue
11-19-2010, 09:26 AM
I'm going to post articles on today's hearing. Must say, some things do not jive with what I heard or that was posted on the blog. There was at one time a brief loss of live stream and it was during the cell communications testimoy. So....? I see from some video that some stations apparently rec'd copies of the cell texts...so they would have the correct scoop. I will at sometime today or later go back and see if I can see and read from the video some of the text msgs he sent. The question most bothering to me is the timeline of EB and what AL was wearing and when he changed his clothes....because at one point the prosecution ask her after he changed into shorts, shirt and flip flops did he smell of gas? She said yes, but it wasn't from his clothes, just him. In one report, they say she changed her testimony from him coming home at 11:15 to 12:15 or 12:30.???? I didn't get to hear the whole case. Just got on board near the end of EB on the stand. So prolly missed the first hour+; but tried to pick up missed info from the blog. Anyway...here ya go:

Longoria to face death penalty (http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-11-18/longoria_to_face_death_penalty)

Topeka Capital Journal - ‎8 hours ago‎
By AP GREAT BEND — Prosecutors said Thursday they would seek the death penalty for the Great Bend man accused of killing a Kansas teenager whose charred ...

Longoria Held For Trial In Teen's Murder (http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/Hearing_Set_In_Great_Bend_Teens_Death_108938249.ht ml?storySection=comments)

KAKE - Deb Farris (http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=author:%22Deb+Farris%22&scoring=n) - ‎12 hours ago‎
Comments are posted from viewers like you and do not always reflect the views of this station. I have a real concern about this Brown lady-Is she insane? ...

LONGORIA TO STAND TRIAL FOR MURDER, SODOMY (http://www.gbtribune.com/section/1/article/4685/)

Great Bend Tribune - Dale Hogg (http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=author:%22Dale+Hogg%22&scoring=n) - ‎15 hours ago‎
Adam Joseph Longoria, the 36-year-old Great Bend man charged in the Aug. 21 slaying of 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt will stand ...

Adam Longoria to stand trial on charges in death of 14-year-old girl (http://www.kansas.com/2010/11/18/1593943/suspect-in-great-bend-teens-killing.html)

Kansas.com - ‎16 hours ago‎
By Eagle staff Adam Joseph Longoria, right, looks over records with attorney Tim Frieden during a hearing in Barton County District Court in Great Bend, ...

Longoria bound over for trial in Great Bend teen's death (http://www.ksn.com/content/news/bureaus/story/Longoria-bound-over-for-trial-in-Great-Bend-teens/hgh1wj4dhUaIBtjLWiZUiw.cspx)

KSN-TV - ‎16 hours ago‎
GREAT BEND, Kansas – He's accused of the murder and rape of Great Bend teen and now Adam Longoria is going before a judge. The prosecution is laying out its ...
Prosecutors present evidence in teen's death (http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=13530945)

NTV - ‎18 hours ago‎
AP - November 18, 2010 2:14 PM ET GREAT BEND, Kan. (AP) - Text messages believed to be from a slain 14-year-old Kansas girl and the man accused of killing ...



Adam Longoria bound over for trial in Great Bend teen's death (http://www.kwch.com/kwch-news-cd-hearing-longoria-111810,0,4734650.story)

KWCH - Kim Hynes (http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=author:%22Kim+Hynes%22&scoring=n) - ‎13 hours ago‎
Adam Longoria will face the death penalty for the death of Alicia DeBolt. Longoria was in court Thursday for a ...



Kan. prosecutors to seek death penalty in killing (http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13532765)

KOAM-TV - ‎15 hours ago‎
AP - November 18, 2010 5:44 PM ET GREAT BEND, Kan. (AP) - Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the man accused of killing of a Kansas teen whose ...

hollyblue
11-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Oh boy.... I had to leave today, damn....Thank you hollyblue and All Others!

Big Thanks to you cathdawg for the great link.....once again. :)

Tikki
11-19-2010, 09:25 PM
Longoria in court today:
http://media.trb.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2010-11/57725903-18114404.jpg

Mugshot:
http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/8/683128/1282933350056.JPEG

ugh this guy is so creepy! thug to librarian? I don't think so!

Thanks to all of you for the great updates :hug:

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 11:45 AM
AL waives his right to a speedy trial.

Next Hearing: Motions Hearing March 15, 2011 @ 10 am



http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Defendant/Accused-Filing-025.pdf

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 12:15 PM
FYI, an article re a defendant waiving their right to a speedy trial.

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/prvw26&div=26&id=&page=

hollyblue
11-20-2010, 12:19 PM
I guess defense is needing much time for his case. IDK why, I think Six and his group...along with all LE involoved have this wrapped up.

EB is the real quandry to me. Her brother and sis-in-law have not posted on the FB since before the hearing. Hmmm? IMO, mental health check needed....along with DCS taking a good, long look. I guess the father figure behind bars is still appealing?:crazy: He's got something on her.

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 12:54 PM
I also can't understand this EB, what will it take for her to see the light??? I am sure she visits him in Jail. LB stated on blog that her sister EB is considering marrying this Creep. When I look at what has transpired how could she, it is unconscionable. I also noted hollyblue that JB and SB have been silent on FB.

" DNA evidence from bodily fluids found on the floor mat of the vehicle he was allegedly driving at the time was matched to both Longoria and the teen, investigators said.
Deputy Attorney General Barry Disney said DNA evidence indicated Longoria had the girl perform oral sex on him".

http://www.dodgeglobe.com/news/x291607602/Prosecutors-to-seek-death-penalty-in-teen-killing

The article above suggest that they initially had oral sex in the SUV ( thus the DNA evidence on floor mats), what happened for AL to take this to a whole other level, sodomy, restraint and murder? When I looked at the texts the fact that he had texted her wondering why she was mad at him sparked my curiosity, what the Hell was going on ? The time frame is also puzzling. I must spend some time and figure out distances between places.

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 01:44 PM
Forgot to provide link for LB's comment on Court Blog.

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=f03cc23b05&ipod=y

[Comment From LisaLisa: ]
He is in Sedgwick County Jail. My Sister was this guys boyfriend and she is here today, will see how she does, because she wants to marry this guy

hollyblue
11-20-2010, 01:51 PM
I also can't understand this EB, what will it take for her to see the light??? I am sure she visits him in Jail. LB stated on blog that her sister EB is considering marrying this Creep. When I look at what has transpired how could she, it is unconscionable. I also noted hollyblue that JB and SB have been silent on FB.

" DNA evidence from bodily fluids found on the floor mat of the vehicle he was allegedly driving at the time was matched to both Longoria and the teen, investigators said.
Deputy Attorney General Barry Disney said DNA evidence indicated Longoria had the girl perform oral sex on him".

http://www.dodgeglobe.com/news/x291607602/Prosecutors-to-seek-death-penalty-in-teen-killing

The article above suggest that they initially had oral sex in the SUV ( thus the DNA evidence on floor mats), what happened for AL to take this to a whole other level, sodomy, restraint and murder? When I looked at the texts the fact that he had texted her wondering why she was mad at him sparked my curiosity, what the Hell was going on ? The time frame is also puzzling. I must spend some time and figure out distances between places.

He either killed her or had her in bondage by 11:40, took a trip in town to get the gas and then returned to try and destroy her body, then hurried home. Curious if this was only gas station open at that time.

The guy had a willing piece of tail at home! He's a predator, and I'm sure there are more out there. Rapes at least.

Can you imagine what msg this is sending to the daughter? Can you imagine her "parental guidance" for the daughter when she starts dating?????? OMG!

I really think he has got something on her (blackmail) for her to stand beside him like she is. It just doesn't make any sense at all, imo. Maybe he study hypnosis in prison....???

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 01:58 PM
hollyblue, It just sickens me the message this is sending to her daughter.

Do you still have your very helpful map of the locations?, I tried to find it. TIA

hollyblue
11-20-2010, 02:21 PM
hollyblue, It just sickens me the message this is sending to her daughter.

Do you still have your very helpful map of the locations?, I tried to find it. TIA

It's on the page 17...I posted it again.

hollyblue
11-20-2010, 02:41 PM
I also can't understand this EB, what will it take for her to see the light??? I am sure she visits him in Jail. LB stated on blog that her sister EB is considering marrying this Creep. When I look at what has transpired how could she, it is unconscionable. I also noted hollyblue that JB and SB have been silent on FB.

" DNA evidence from bodily fluids found on the floor mat of the vehicle he was allegedly driving at the time was matched to both Longoria and the teen, investigators said.
Deputy Attorney General Barry Disney said DNA evidence indicated Longoria had the girl perform oral sex on him".

http://www.dodgeglobe.com/news/x291607602/Prosecutors-to-seek-death-penalty-in-teen-killing

The article above suggest that they initially had oral sex in the SUV ( thus the DNA evidence on floor mats), what happened for AL to take this to a whole other level, sodomy, restraint and murder? When I looked at the texts the fact that he had texted her wondering why she was mad at him sparked my curiosity, what the Hell was going on ? The time frame is also puzzling. I must spend some time and figure out distances between places.

I'm sure if EB's family has learned what transpired that night, they are having a long talk with her......or may be thinking of getting the kids. ???

I don't think AD agreed to oral sex. She thought she was going to party and learned quickly, imo, she wasn't. My guess around 11:20. There was a text from her cell at that time, but they didn't say who to or what the text said. Was she trying to call her mother? Her phone was "off" at 11:40. He had his way in that 20 mins....He then drives to Love's for gas and at 11:57 calls EB and says he's sick.?? At 12:10 he gets 1/2 gal of gas and returns to plant, does his dirty deed and starts for home...calling EB at 12:33. Dang it. He definitely has somethig on EB or she was way more involved.!!!!!

We have to remember there is so much more we don't know and prolly many witnesses to come. I think we have only heard and seen the tip of the iceberg...so to speak. Ugh. :(

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 02:49 PM
It will be interesting to find out who called/text Alicia at 11:08 pm wondering who was giving her a ride. ( she responded IDK).

I agree EB has something that she is hiding.

cathdawg
11-20-2010, 03:14 PM
Maybe it is just me BUT I find EB's response to AL text a bit weird.

11:57 PM Text from AL to EB “Sick” and throwing up. Response: “Damn”

Why damn, she must have known something, wouldn't you say something like "Oh, I wonder whats wrong , was it something you ate or.......but why damn!?

hollyblue
11-22-2010, 03:16 AM
I've been re-reading and thinking. I truly believe Eva was involved somehow.

1. They had the kids sleep over at the brothers. Why go home at 10:30 and not stay out and party? Come on.

2. He? texted AD at 9:46...she was with the family on her way home.....THEY were together then. Did Eva go to the ladies room? Did they get into a argument....about AD? Did they set this up together?

3. She all too willingly helped destroy evidence.

4. She didn't bother to call LE....with the above knowledge. What the hades did the stains look like on the pants? So far all we know is she saw them either in the dryer or laying outside of it the next morning and saw the stains. Did she see them before he washed them? If so, she had to know if they were blood or oil.

5. Terrible no matter how you look at it, but I hope she was suffocated with the duct tape over her nose and mouth (little Caylee) before he poured the fuel over her.

6. Flying thoughts....did Eva overhear the boys and AL talking about AD for some reason in the garage that Sat. afternoon?.....And they were back promptly the next day.

After prosecution JUST learned of Eva's knowledge of the smell of gasoline just a day before the PH, I think they are doing a double take on her. Think about it...they have been questioning her since Aug 23 - Nov 17...that's almost 2 1/2 months, and she held that back. Maybe part of the reason no postings on the FB sites. Trouble in River City, so to speak.

Eva was/is a very insecure person.

Why was AD grasping jewelry in her hand when found? I think that is crucial.

hollyblue
11-22-2010, 03:35 AM
Just wanted to mention, the press asked the hearing for a copy of the autopsy report and a photo of the jewelry. I guess the cell phone records were obtained by the reporter via court records....warrants, dicovery, etc.

Westside64....how close are you to Great Bend? Feel like taking a trip to the GB courthouse?

hollyblue
11-22-2010, 05:46 AM
Maybe it is just me BUT I find EB's response to AL text a bit weird.

11:57 PM Text from AL to EB “Sick” and throwing up. Response: “Damn”

Why damn, she must have known something, wouldn't you say something like "Oh, I wonder whats wrong , was it something you ate or.......but why damn!?


Cathdawg, I'm reviewing my notes and trying to go back and clean up the spelling, etc on the timeline and recap of the PH. This entry about the "sick and damn" comment was my very first note. Ms. Smith, the KBI analyst said it was a text from AL's phone saying "Sick" at 23:57. The next saying "Damn" was from EB at 24:49. Those are my notes of what I heard. That's almost an hour later, so....I don't know what that is suppose to mean. But, if you go back to the blog, someone there is questioning what she said at 11:57. The blog doesn't mention the text about sick/damn at all. Swear I heard that....Now I hope it comes up again at trial. Surely it will.

10:33
[Comment From David: ]
seems that they have their wires crossed....was it 2357 or 0057 that the "no party" text came through? Thursday November 18, 2010 10:33 David

10:34
http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/avitars/phptN3tqdhynes.jpgThey said it was 23:57 or 11:57 when the no party text happened. Smith said it came about an hour after the text that he was at the house.

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 11:18 AM
holllyblue, thanks, I think you might be on to something in regard to EB.

I have been searching high and low for the transcript for the preliminary hearing. Unlike Casey A's trial I thought the news station would post the live coverage in parts. No such luck.

Here is the 'blog' link .

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=f03cc23b05&ipod=y

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 12:46 PM
Why would AL text Alicia @9:47 pm asking Alicia if she was mad at him????(while he was with EB) ?

Does anyone recall the neighbor(Tiffany)while on the stand being asked a few times by the Prosecutor if there could have been someone else in the car ie the back seat? I think she responded by saying the rear windows were tinted!

This puzzles me, why did Alicia give AL her address? I thought he knew where she lived?

Sorry for going on....just thinking and it hurts LOL

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 12:52 PM
While on the stand EB testified that she spoke with AL on Mon. I am thinking she visited him on Mon as that is his day for visits for his pod.


AL is in pod 018


https://ssc.sedgwickcounty.org/sheriffinmates/SheriffInmateDetail.aspx?nameId=18711367



Visitation Schedule:

The following is a list of the Pods and the day of the week the inmate assigned to that Pod can have visitation.
MONDAY: Inmates and pod trustees housed in Pods 1, 3, 10, 18, 17, facility Trustees (Pods 9 & 15) and inmates housed in the Medical Clinic.

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 01:38 PM
Within this news clip while being questioned by prosecution about 1:46 secs in EB answers questions .......she seems so defensive......it is really interesting how she responds to being questioned about marrying AL! According to the reporter she recently changed the time line of AL being home at 11:15 not 12:30 am, this change raised the eye brows of the prosecution.

http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx

left corner bottom video

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 01:46 PM
Old article Oct 2, 2010 via LB recant of EB's claim to time line that Eve.


Lisa Brown said her sister told her this of the night that Alicia disappeared:
Her sister and Longoria had gone out to eat and returned home around 10:30 p.m. Longoria told her he had to leave to meet with undercover police officers, that he was an informant.
He came home around 12:30 a.m., smelling like diesel fuel. When she asked what happened, he said he stopped at the home of a friend and helped the friend deal with car problems.
He used bleach to clean his shoestrings and shoes.
He wore a shirt that had a blood stain.
When Brown's sister told her about the stain, she motioned in a way indicating it was a big stain, Brown said.
Brown's sister, when told of her sister's account of the stain, said it was wrong to say the stain was blood. She didn't elaborate.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/10/02/1521729/account-details-night-of-teens.html#ixzz162RCp4TF

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 01:50 PM
Another puzzle, EB claimed while on stand that AL asked her to say he was at a Bar. AL also asked HH (aquaintance) to lie and say that he was at the Bar however, it is said that AL told EB that he was going to help a Friend fix a car?

Four different tales
1 Bar
2 Fix Friends car
3 Friends to look at pictures???
4 meet undercover LE (informant)


JMO but fix the car scenario would help with the alibi of smelling like Gas , is this why she has changed her tune, LE knows he was at Love's at 12:20 so....how are they going to get around this?

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 02:16 PM
Below is an exert from hollyblues recap (posted prior)

9:46 PM Text to AD from AL asking why she was mad at him....see says she’s not.
9:57 PM He texts her to ask.....Why not talk to me. Want to party? I can pick you up. AD replies she will let him know when to pick her up and AL says there will lots of bottles of beer at his house and many people there. Alicia texted Longoria and said she was ready at her house. Longoria responded and asked what was her address. Alicia texted back her house address.

So they dropped EB's Kids off at Brother's around 7 pm, then off they went for dinner to the 'Rack ' or did they bowl first?
Anyways AL texting Alicia throughout the Eve from 9:47 til he picked her up at 11 pm.....all this time apparently with EB, I agree hollyblue this does not make sense.


I went to sis in laws (SB ) Facebook back to Aug 21 to see if she mentions babysitting EB's Kids, no mention , I realize this doesn't mean anything but I just wondered. SB actually worked that day, one of her 12 hr shifts.

cathdawg
11-22-2010, 02:22 PM
Oh, another thought, does anyone recall EB being questioned by Prosecution about her Kids, he asked do they need a babysitter she responded by saying 'no' prosecution he then goes on to ask her if she took the Kids to her Brother's that Eve and she said 'yes' hmmm.......

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 07:28 AM
holllyblue, thanks, I think you might be on to something in regard to EB.

I have been searching high and low for the transcript for the preliminary hearing. Unlike Casey A's trial I thought the news station would post the live coverage in parts. No such luck.

Here is the 'blog' link .

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=f03cc23b05&ipod=y

If they would put out a little bit of the video, that would be fantastic. I don't know if there will be transcripts of the PH, but it would be great if you find them. I posted the timeline and recap back on posts 415 & 417; and also updated the map. I saved the linked to the blog after listening to my favorties. SB is posting again.

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 07:36 AM
Why would AL text Alicia @9:47 pm asking Alicia if she was mad at him????(while he was with EB) ?

Does anyone recall the neighbor(Tiffany)while on the stand being asked a few times by the Prosecutor if there could have been someone else in the car ie the back seat? I think she responded by saying the rear windows were tinted!

This puzzles me, why did Alicia give AL her address? I thought he knew where she lived?

Sorry for going on....just thinking and it hurts LOL

I didn't catch that testimony. Did you hear it or read about somewhere? Surprised me too he didn't know where she lived. Could just be BS coming from him too and maybe AD wasn't aware he actually knew.
No apologies needed. I sign off and the case stays with me for awhile, trying to think things through.

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 08:13 AM
Within this news clip while being questioned by prosecution about 1:46 secs in EB answers questions .......she seems so defensive......it is really interesting how she responds to being questioned about marrying AL! According to the reporter she recently changed the time line of AL being home at 11:15 not 12:30 am, this change raised the eye brows of the prosecution.

http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx

left corner bottom video

Yes, she changed her story. Another thought...LOL....What if EB and the others were either in the car, or waiting somewhere for AL to bring her to? Remember the neighbor said he did see them all leave around the same time and it was about 11. Too, Longoria in his interview on camera, that was subpoenaed by LE said something to the effect of the guys were over there or texted that they wanted to come over and party....have to check that. I thought it interesting that EB said AL told her to lie and say he was at Willy J's....as he did HH. He also told HH that after "seeing" him to just go on and do what you were. Why did he have to tell him that? Was HH doing something he needed an alibi for?

This should be the link to the video with HH's testimony, I hope: http://www.ksn.com/mediacenter/local.aspx

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 08:38 AM
Another puzzle, EB claimed while on stand that AL asked her to say he was at a Bar. AL also asked HH (aquaintance) to lie and say that he was at the Bar however, it is said that AL told EB that he was going to help a Friend fix a car?

Four different tales
1 Bar
2 Fix Friends car
3 Friends to look at pictures???
4 meet undercover LE (informant)


JMO but fix the car scenario would help with the alibi of smelling like Gas , is this why she has changed her tune, LE knows he was at Love's at 12:20 so....how are they going to get around this?

She has as many stories as Joran Van der Sloot. Good question...I had him at Love's at 12:10, but don't know if that matters. Remember too, somehow the family knew or was given info about Love's. AD was to meet a friend there and never showed????? Is this true? Was there a friend waiting for her there, and AD never showed?
They silenced (IR's name) Tammy saying AD, when she came in to Tam's BR, said she was going with IR..in her testimony.
All 3 of boys can be viewed on FB as well as HH...see friends of IR. One of them, can't recall which...says on 8/25 that (paraphrasing) things are messed up but will be ok.

Him leaving with the gas at 12:10, returning to Venture's, doing the deed, and then hitting home at 12:35 sure sounds like a very tight timeline. That's 25 minutes to drive 14-15 miles and set her on fire.

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 08:50 AM
Below is an exert from hollyblues recap (posted prior)

9:46 PM Text to AD from AL asking why she was mad at him....see says she’s not.
9:57 PM He texts her to ask.....Why not talk to me. Want to party? I can pick you up. AD replies she will let him know when to pick her up and AL says there will lots of bottles of beer at his house and many people there. Alicia texted Longoria and said she was ready at her house. Longoria responded and asked what was her address. Alicia texted back her house address.

So they dropped EB's Kids off at Brother's around 7 pm, then off they went for dinner to the 'Rack ' or did they bowl first?
Anyways AL texting Alicia throughout the Eve from 9:47 til he picked her up at 11 pm.....all this time apparently with EB, I agree hollyblue this does not make sense.


I went to sis in laws (SB ) Facebook back to Aug 21 to see if she mentions babysitting EB's Kids, no mention , I realize this doesn't mean anything but I just wondered. SB actually worked that day, one of her 12 hr shifts.

They went bowling first, then The Rack and back home by 10:30. EB says nothing of the boys and that 10:30 time. She did say they were there, in the garage, that Sat. afternoon and left shortly before she and AL went out. ....And then they came over again Sunday.

Has no one told her about perjury and obstruction of justice???? I'd really like some further background on her. I know she was pretty young when she lost her mother, and then her father about the time her oldest was born, but curious about her teen years, her ex and her social life prior to meeting AL on line....And just how did she manage that....just playing on the internet or was there a link some way some how? Seriously troubled, imo.

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 08:56 AM
Oh, another thought, does anyone recall EB being questioned by Prosecution about her Kids, he asked do they need a babysitter she responded by saying 'no' prosecution he then goes on to ask her if she took the Kids to her Brother's that Eve and she said 'yes' hmmm.......

I didn't get that testimony, must have been before I signed on and no one mentioned it in the blog. Where did you see that cathdawg? News clips?

I feel sorry for the reporter who was doing the blog....they should let her blog the testimony and then answer questions when there is a potty and/or lunch break. They had her doing about 4 different things at one time...and then she had to break away from blogging to do a "noon shot".
A lot of reporting on the blog missed until a blogger did it himself.

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 12:24 PM
I didn't catch that testimony. Did you hear it or read about somewhere? Surprised me too he didn't know where she lived. Could just be BS coming from him too and maybe AD wasn't aware he actually knew.
No apologies needed. I sign off and the case stays with me for awhile, trying to think things through.



I heard this during the testimony of Tiffany N. re windows and if there was someone else POSSIBLY in the SUV.

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 12:25 PM
I didn't get that testimony, must have been before I signed on and no one mentioned it in the blog. Where did you see that cathdawg? News clips?

I feel sorry for the reporter who was doing the blog....they should let her blog the testimony and then answer questions when there is a potty and/or lunch break. They had her doing about 4 different things at one time...and then she had to break away from blogging to do a "noon shot".
A lot of reporting on the blog missed until a blogger did it himself.


Hi, This was part of EB's testimony re sitter.......

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 12:35 PM
I am not sure if docstock.com will eventually have the transcript to this trial. I tried yesterday but zip.

The news station has the footage of the trial why did they not post it in parts, frustrating.

Perhaps I can email a reporter and find out if there is a way to get a copy.

I know in the Casey A trial the doc's are expensive however the News Station obtain the doc's and then post them for the Public.

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 12:47 PM
This article states the msg re: no party was 12:57 not 11:57. Messed up.

http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-11-18/longoria_to_face_death_penalty

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 01:30 PM
This article states the msg re: no party was 12:57 not 11:57. Messed up.

http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-11-18/longoria_to_face_death_penalty


Thanks. So....I guess he sent this text while doing laundry with Wifey by his side!


This also puzzles me, initially he wanted his relationship with EB deemed common law so EB would not have to testify against him (privileged). Then just before the PT he changed his tune..... and withdrew this motion. Now he has asked EB to marry him ....hmmm what are they thinking.


EB is messed up Big Time. She now knows that his seminal fluid was found on the car mat along with Alicia's DNA, it is alleged that he forced Alicia to have Oral Sex with him. I would say this evidence along with all the other 'stuff' ie texts, smelling like gas, stains on clothes etc. would make her give her head a shake...If anything I would think LE would charge her with destroying evidence or more......JMO

hollyblue
11-23-2010, 02:02 PM
Thanks. So....I guess he sent this text while doing laundry with Wifey by his side!


This also puzzles me, initially he wanted his relationship with EB deemed common law so EB would not have to testify against him (privileged). Then just before the PT he changed his tune..... and withdrew this motion. Now he has asked EB to marry him ....hmmm what are they thinking.


EB is messed up Big Time. She now knows that his seminal fluid was found on the car mat along with Alicia's DNA, it is alleged that he forced Alicia to have Oral Sex with him. I would say this evidence along with all the other 'stuff' ie texts, smelling like gas, stains on clothes etc. would make her give her head a shake...If anything I would think LE would charge her with destroying evidence or more......JMO

I think the only reason he asked her to marry him (which was after AD's death) is he knew a wife could not testify against him. Why the change....I'm not yet certain. If she's testifying against him, why the lying, hiding facts, and so many different stories? Because she was more involved, imo. You have the kids gone for the night...just you two....and he decides to go out again and not take advantage of the opportunity??? Be nice to see just where her phone pings were when rec'g texts from AL....they have yet to say. Was he telling half truths about the bottles and beer and many people being there? Why say lots of bottles....and not just bottles of beer or lots of beer. Why separate the bottles in the statement? Did he/they? kill her with the bottles? Is this where the blood came from? So many questions and we're going to have to wait til March? Ugh.

You know all of the boys will prolly testify and I wonder about sister L?
That's another version. The neighbor....another.

I'm real upset with the misinformation. I know I heard 23:47 and so did the people on the blog. WTH gives. The 12:47 fits better into the timeline, but I wish they would get it straight. Also, the same reporter who did the blog stated in her article it was AD's ankles, mouth and HANDS that were duct taped....I did not hear that. But, right ankle, mouth and nose. Grrrrrr. Yep, we need to see the video..a little at a time or a transcript would be better!! Why have a video, if the articles and blog don't have the same info?????

westsidefox64
11-23-2010, 02:57 PM
I read on a reporters tweet page that the judge made a ruling no tweets or blogs allowed in the court room. The blog was done during breaks. JMO

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 03:00 PM
I missed some of the testimonies that day . I was able to see neighbor and EB before I had to go. <modsnip> it!

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 03:13 PM
This Hutch Article seems to be the most reliable. Updated Nov 19
Quote:

After they came home around 10:30 p.m., Longoria said he was going to a friend's house to look at pictures, and he left in her black Ford Escape wearing windpants and a T-shirt, Brown testified. She said he came back at 11:15 p.m. to change clothes - a detail Brown acknowledged she'd never told officers previously in her multiple interviews.

She said Longoria smelled of gas, changed into shorts and a tank top and left, not returning until 12:45 a.m. Under questioning from Deputy Attorney General Disney, Brown testified Longoria told her he'd been working on a friend's car, explaining why he smelled of gas.


http://hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-prelim--2#

So according to EB's NEW story he came home and then went out AGAIN?

If you look at the comments, a few Folks smell something fishy re EB!

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 03:31 PM
WOW!

According to Brown, Longoria asked her the night of Aug. 23 to "say he was at Willie J's" house if police asked where he was the night of Aug. 21. Brown admitted Longoria has proposed to her since DeBolt's disappearance. She at one point accepted the proposal but said she now doesn't know where their relationship is headed.

After Brown testified, an unidentified man from the gallery in the courtroom followed Brown into a room in the courthouse, where the two exchanged words before officers escorted him out. The man was yelling that Brown was a liar and should be arrested.


I wonder WHO this Person is ?

http://hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-prelim--2#

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 04:36 PM
I emailed Kim Haynes reporter for KWCH which happens to be the only News Station that was allowed to have camera's in the Court Room. I found this info out via Hutch News. I asked Kim if KWCH will post the Pre Trial on their site. Will let you know of the outcome. I hope they will, as I see that his initial Court appearance was posted .

westsidefox64
11-23-2010, 05:54 PM
This Hutch Article seems to be the most reliable. Updated Nov 19
Quote:

After they came home around 10:30 p.m., Longoria said he was going to a friend's house to look at pictures, and he left in her black Ford Escape wearing windpants and a T-shirt, Brown testified. She said he came back at 11:15 p.m. to change clothes - a detail Brown acknowledged she'd never told officers previously in her multiple interviews.

She said Longoria smelled of gas, changed into shorts and a tank top and left, not returning until 12:45 a.m. Under questioning from Deputy Attorney General Disney, Brown testified Longoria told her he'd been working on a friend's car, explaining why he smelled of gas.


http://hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-prelim--2#

So according to EB's NEW story he came home and then went out AGAIN?

If you look at the comments, a few Folks smell something fishy re EB!

I dont understand the timeline EB is trying to throw into this. If AL picked AD up at 11 how could he possibly be back home changing out of gas covered clothes that had to be destroyed at 11:15 ? This makes absolutly no sense. How could he pick her up, make her preform oral sex on him, kill her and cover her in gasoline (not to mention he didnt purchace the gas til much later) and be home changing in 15 minutes? If that was the case he would have been destroying the clothes he changed into not the ones he left in.

Also did the person at Loves notice blood on his clothes? The video survalence will show what he was wearing when he purchased the gasoline. Id almost bet it was windpants JMO

The last text to ADs phone just shows he was trying to cover his a**. He really thought he could get away with this. I cant imagine ED still wanting to marry him.

cathdawg
11-23-2010, 08:06 PM
westsidefox you have raised a very interesting point re stains on clothes while at loves hmm

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 06:05 AM
I read on a reporters tweet page that the judge made a ruling no tweets or blogs allowed in the court room. The blog was done during breaks. JMO

The reporter doing the blog, was doing so from a news van outside. There were no computers allowed in the courtroom and she could only hear and see through a live feed from there. She was blogging the whole time except when she took a few minutes to shoot a live shot for a noon news update...and a helpful blogger took her place to keep blog updated.

I was watching and listening to the live stream while taking my notes and would only catch up with the blog in-between testimonies or during breaks and lunch. The video in the courtroom never showed the family like the last time nor the witnesses--- besides the LE officials. Tammy, Tiffany, Hugo, and Eva all did not want to be on camera.

ETA: If the live stream showed the family prior to testimonies being given, then my bad, as I came in late, but I think the media would have showed clips if they did.

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 06:47 AM
Snipped: WOW!

I wonder WHO this Person is ?

http://hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-prelim--2#

Her brother?

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 07:24 AM
I dont understand the timeline EB is trying to throw into this. If AL picked AD up at 11 how could he possibly be back home changing out of gas covered clothes that had to be destroyed at 11:15 ? This makes absolutly no sense. How could he pick her up, make her preform oral sex on him, kill her and cover her in gasoline (not to mention he didnt purchace the gas til much later) and be home changing in 15 minutes? If that was the case he would have been destroying the clothes he changed into not the ones he left in.

Also did the person at Loves notice blood on his clothes? The video survalence will show what he was wearing when he purchased the gasoline. Id almost bet it was windpants JMO

The last text to ADs phone just shows he was trying to cover his a**. He really thought he could get away with this. I cant imagine ED still wanting to marry him.

Eva's just a very bad liar. And I think I figured out why AL changed his mind about the common law marriage....he would be able to testify against her. When he heard her say that they were never married in the media, he thought he had lost her on his side....so he had to prepare himself to counter her. Now she doesn't know what the hay to do. She's in a very bad corner right now between what the state has (she doesn't know) and what AL has "on" her. I don't know if Eva really wants to still have a relationship with AL... I think she is hedging her bets. IF he covers for her or not....hence, her conflicting stories...and "wait and see" mentality. It's going to be interesting, because when it comes down to brass knuckles the ex-con will throw her under the bus in a NY minute.
Note too, prosecution had her testify BEFORE any of others besides the mother. After the day's testimony by everyone he called, her story was blown to H. I am just screaming inside..."SHE'S MORE INVOLVED". I think the state knows that as well and it will be interesting how they play her further. She's up a creek w/o a paddle..because she didn't think about all the evidence that could be collected. IMO Common sense says besides the murder rap, the other charges will send him back for quite a long time, considering his past....and their "relationship" will once again be one of pen pals.

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 09:19 AM
Quotes in blue taken from the Hutch article : http://hutchnews.com/Publicsafety/Longoria-prelim--2#

Some thoughts on the Hutch article...and yes, it was very informative, but not w/o a blooper. The time AD's phone stop pinging. It was 11:40 pm vs their reporting of 1:40 am. That's a 2 hour difference!!!


Tamara Conrad, DeBolt's mother, testified her daughter told her Aug. 21 she was going to a party on the city's southeast side and would return in an hour, before a midnight curfew


What happen to the party at Camp Aldrich....up north of GB? This testimony sounds like the "little Mexico" area of GB.


Smith testified there's no tower location from Longoria's phone during prior to the 12:57 a.m. text because he likely turned it off. Smith also testified there was a call at 12:33 a.m. from Longoria to girlfriend Eva Brown, who testified Longoria told her he was on his way home.


Something is off here...if his was off prior to the 12:57 text, and after the inital texts to AD before he picked her up, then how did they know about the 12:33 call to Eva? Same with next bit of info...prior to 12:57 am...he was at the plant prior to 12:57. Again the blooper of 1:40 am on AD's phone disconnect and the 12:10 tracking of the phone to Love's.
^^^^
According to Smith, cell-phone tower data indicates that Longoria's phone went to the asphalt plant, which is where Debolt's phone was shut off and no longer gave a signal after 1:40 a.m. Tracking of Longoria's phone then shows he allegedly drove to a Love's convenience store and then drove back to the plant.


She said Longoria told her if she loved him, she would get rid of the gray Nike T-shirt he was wearing the night DeBolt disappeared, and she did, throwing it out into the street Aug. 23. Longoria told her he had thrown away his windpants, she said.


Cathdawg, did you catch the name of the place she said in her testimony she was going to when this happened. It must of been her work, but I didni't get the name. Anyone know where she works? TIA


Brown also testified DeBolt's sister came to her home Aug. 23 and said DeBolt was last seen in a small, black SUV like Brown's. Brown said she called Longoria, and he said he didn't know anything about it.

He also came home from work after rec'g that call and took the SUV to the car wash. This is also where the timeline of this day gets confusing, because Eva says she was stopped on her way back home from work and went with LE, and AL had to take the car home. ??? What time was she stopped? Also.....the neighbor said the SUV was at Tammy's house that Monday.....what time?

According to Brown, Longoria asked her the night of Aug. 23 to "say he was at Willie J's" house if police asked where he was the night of Aug. 21.



I thought Willie J's was a bar? Is this just a person (Willy J) and he asked both Hugo and her on Monday to cover for him saying he was at his house? If so, who is Willy J?

Defense attorney Tim Frieden asked if it was possible someone could leave DNA evidence, and then later, another person leave DNA evidence that mixed with it. Newman said it was possible. He also acknowledged it was possible someone else's DNA was in the mix that went undetected.

Longoria nodded his head during the hearing when Newman explained the possibilities.




Is he just hedging his bets or could there of been others too. Newman also stated, that the two DNA's he had, were "all at this time."

KBI agent Cory Latham testified he searched for evidence at the asphalt plant after DeBolt's body was found. About two inches of rain the night before investigators were alerted to the site likely washed away any footprints and tread tracks, Latham said, since he only found prints from an investigator and the person who found DeBolt's body.




Per this link it rained late Monday night and on the morning before her discovery at 4 pm. Scroll down 1/2 way on page and there is a place near the date that says "next day". It was also 100 degree that day...good day for tempers to flare and chaos abounding. jmo

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KGBD/2010/8/24/DailyHistory.html (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KGBD/2010/8/24/DailyHistory.html)

Willy J's is north of town, per this article:

Trent Mermis, owner of Willy J's nightclub on the north side of Great Bend,

http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/27/1465339/authorities-search-house-in-connection.html
Found a FB site for them, but don't understand how you maneuver in it:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Willy-J/106657522701306?v=stream

The Rack Billiards Cafe...on RR Ave. south of GB near Little Mexico:

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Great-Bend-KS/The-Rack-Billiard-Cafe-L2062337281.htm?SRC=areaconnect&N=The+Rack&L=Great+Bend+KS&lbp=1&STYPE=S&TR=77&bidType=FLCLIK&PGID=yp423.8081.1290607701722.20219100584&dls=true&bpp=1

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 09:23 AM
Hey CA Mom, please come on board her case...we could use more sleuthers here. :)

westsidefox64
11-24-2010, 10:33 AM
My guess on the Willy Js house, could it possibly mean he wanted her to say he had been at the owner of the bars house? Just a guess.
HAPPY THANKGIVING ALL!!!

hollyblue
11-24-2010, 11:14 AM
My guess on the Willy Js house, could it possibly mean he wanted her to say he had been at the owner of the bars house? Just a guess.
HAPPY THANKGIVING ALL!!!

Happy Thanksgiving to you to, westsidefox64. I think it's just another bloop because LE went to the bar trying to confirm AL and the 3 musketeers were there.

Still that question of why LE wanted to go thru Willy J's trash? Thoughts?

Soul125
11-24-2010, 12:59 PM
Thanks for the updates guys. I forgot about the trial starting in Nov for AL. There seems to be so much evidence against this guy that he gets the DP hopefully. Anybody can see that this guy is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

cathdawg
11-28-2010, 01:34 PM
I have been away however I just wanted to wish Everyone a belated Happy Thanksgiving.


This solves the mystery who Lisa Brown is.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Obituaries/Brown--Terry-CP--1

I gather Dad remarried and that union had other Children including Lisa.

cathdawg
11-28-2010, 01:39 PM
hollyblue, Sorry I did not catch were EB said she was going.....


PS I heard back from the reporter, she said the Pre Trial was too long to provide it online, damn!

She also told me about her blog. I have responded back and said I am aware of the blog but the time line does not appear to be accurate (also the texts). I hope she will respond back.

hollyblue
11-28-2010, 05:49 PM
I have been away however I just wanted to wish Everyone a belated Happy Thanksgiving.


This solves the mystery who Lisa Brown is.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Obituaries/Brown--Terry-CP--1

I gather Dad remarried and that union had other Children including Lisa.

Nice find. Too bad we had find out under these circustances. This was EB's father's marriage to HJ. So LB-44, RB-46, and TB-48 are EB's half-siblings. Looks like LB's mother remarried after that again too.

cathdawg
11-29-2010, 07:51 AM
I am not sure about this link and if it will provide the audio of the Pre trial however if it does, this will be helpful. It states that the oral arguments are posted about a week after the case. I am keeping my fingers crossed! I am not sure if a Pre trial is considered an 'Oral Argument'. Any 'Legal Beagles' out there that could clarify this? TIA

http://www.kscourts.org/kansas-courts/supreme-court/archive/archived-arguments-October-2010.asp

hollyblue
11-30-2010, 08:18 AM
I am not sure about this link and if it will provide the audio of the Pre trial however if it does, this will be helpful. It states that the oral arguments are posted about a week after the case. I am keeping my fingers crossed! I am not sure if a Pre trial is considered an 'Oral Argument'. Any 'Legal Beagles' out there that could clarify this? TIA

http://www.kscourts.org/kansas-courts/supreme-court/archive/archived-arguments-October-2010.asp

Unfortunately, I think this is only for the supreme court.

hollyblue
11-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Three more motions filed today.....one...NO CONTACT between AL and EB. WHATSOEVER!!

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Orders/20101129-Order-No-Contact.pdf

cathdawg
12-01-2010, 04:25 AM
Thanks for the 'scoop' hollyblue, so...Bro Jeff is also involved in this 'no contact order'. Maybe, just maybe the transcript will be posted.

ORDER FOR TRANSCRIPT:

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Orders/20101129-Order-For-Transcript.pdf

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 08:44 AM
Thanks for the clarification in the no contact order......I guess I need new glasses:blushing: Cathdawg. Duh. I can't believe I did that!

Wow. All hedes must of broken loose after her testimony. I wonder if she will be a defense witness now?

ksnurse
12-02-2010, 09:26 AM
I drove thru Great Bend last month for my son's football game in Larned. The drive takes us right past the concrete plant AL worked at and where AD was found. I took a couple pictures, may I post them here?

Also, I am going to GB this weekend (hopefully) to help my parents move. I'm thinking of getting pictures of the Love's gas station he went to, and then driving to the plant, then back to the house he was living in to see how much time elapsed. If there is anything, or any pictures anyone wants while I'm in town, let me know. I'd be happy to take them.

Driving west on Hwy 56. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/" title="_A160723 by brooke_rn_05, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5207/5226548744_dfdd64b2e9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="_A160723"
The plant is on the left hand side of road, not far from road, all equipment, rock, etc was clearly visible. Even saw the small "pond" on the property, just wasn't able to stop and get pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/in/photostream/

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 11:29 AM
Maybe someone can clarify this no contact order. I have reread it a zillion times and......I wonder if the 'no contact' order is between Brother JB and EB? As they are both going to both be witnesses.....any thoughts.

Link:

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Orders/20101129-Order-No-Contact.pdf

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 11:34 AM
I drove thru Great Bend last month for my son's football game in Larned. The drive takes us right past the concrete plant AL worked at and where AD was found. I took a couple pictures, may I post them here?

Also, I am going to GB this weekend (hopefully) to help my parents move. I'm thinking of getting pictures of the Love's gas station he went to, and then driving to the plant, then back to the house he was living in to see how much time elapsed. If there is anything, or any pictures anyone wants while I'm in town, let me know. I'd be happy to take them.

Driving west on Hwy 56. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/" title="_A160723 by brooke_rn_05, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5207/5226548744_dfdd64b2e9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="_A160723"
The plant is on the left hand side of road, not far from road, all equipment, rock, etc was clearly visible. Even saw the small "pond" on the property, just wasn't able to stop and get pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/in/photostream/


ksnurse, I do not see a problem with you posting the Pic's. When you look at the timeline its pretty tight and it would be great to see these places of interest.

AL picked up Alicia @ 11:01 ...............her last call on her phone was 11:40 AND the phone 'pinged' at the Concrete place, that is only 40 min's.

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 11:39 AM
Huh? I missed this or has the news mixed it up. I thought AL was the one who said he was sick but this states it was EB

Three minutes before midnight, Eva Brown testified that she texted Longoria, her live-in boyfriend, telling him she was sick. Longoria didn't answer for 24 minutes, records show.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/11/19/1595352/suspect-in-great-bend-teens-death.html#ixzz16yOj4uLd

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 12:25 PM
Huh? I missed this or has the news mixed it up. I thought AL was the one who said he was sick but this states it was EB

Three minutes before midnight, Eva Brown testified that she texted Longoria, her live-in boyfriend, telling him she was sick. Longoria didn't answer for 24 minutes, records show.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/11/19/1595352/suspect-in-great-bend-teens-death.html#ixzz16yOj4uLd


We need a transcript for sure. Wonder if the agency that shot that live stream could upload it to you tube?

My very first notes from it were:

Text 23:57 Sick F (from)
" 24:49 Damn T (to)

This was from EB's testimony and I thought it was he who sent the "sick" text!!!

I thought I had reviewed all of the articles from the PH, but I don't recall seeing or reading this one, with the mention of AD texting her friends about school, etc til her phone when silent....along with the text from her mother asking where she is. First I've heard of that. Too, according to the article, after her text to him at 11:57 he didn't reply for 24 minutes....and we haven't heard that reply...which would have been at 12:21am. The next text we know about is at 12:33 when he supposedly texted her he was on his way home.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 12:36 PM
I drove thru Great Bend last month for my son's football game in Larned. The drive takes us right past the concrete plant AL worked at and where AD was found. I took a couple pictures, may I post them here?

Also, I am going to GB this weekend (hopefully) to help my parents move. I'm thinking of getting pictures of the Love's gas station he went to, and then driving to the plant, then back to the house he was living in to see how much time elapsed. If there is anything, or any pictures anyone wants while I'm in town, let me know. I'd be happy to take them.

Driving west on Hwy 56. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/" title="_A160723 by brooke_rn_05, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5207/5226548744_dfdd64b2e9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="_A160723"
The plant is on the left hand side of road, not far from road, all equipment, rock, etc was clearly visible. Even saw the small "pond" on the property, just wasn't able to stop and get pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10995277@N06/5226548744/in/photostream/

Great pics. Very clear. Is it possible to turn onto the road the gravel is on and get a pic of the cemetery....the fence, etc? The oil container jug LE found was just over the fence into the cemetery. I'm surpised you could she the pond from the road...as it seems to be lower than the area of the gravel and sand piles, but maybe it was just the angle of the aerial photos. Thanks again for taking the time to do that.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 12:43 PM
ksnurse, I do not see a problem with you posting the Pic's. When you look at the timeline its pretty tight and it would be great to see these places of interest.

AL picked up Alicia @ 11:01 ...............her last call on her phone was 11:40 AND the phone 'pinged' at the Concrete place, that is only 40 min's.

Yes, and 15 minutes later there were texts between AL and EB and he was on his way to Love's to arrive at 12:08.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 12:51 PM
Maybe someone can clarify this no contact order. I have reread it a zillion times and......I wonder if the 'no contact' order is between Brother JB and EB? As they are both going to both be witnesses.....any thoughts.

Link:

http://www.kscourts.org/State-v-longoria/Orders/20101129-Order-No-Contact.pdf

jmo, but I think he was the one who flipped out on her at the courthouse and accused her of lying....which I think she is. Seems she may be playing everyone for her 'odds' and is going to get caught in the web she is weaving. I'm still open with the thought that she was more involved because of her tremendous insecurities with men. Didn't she talk to AD's parents about AD texting AL?

SHE moved this ex-con in to her house and now had a BF and a father figure for her children (ugh) and now some little 14 yr old was a threat???

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 12:55 PM
The Cemetery is called Dundee Valley.

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 01:12 PM
If in fact EB was sick, why? was she involved with Alicia's demise, did she know he was going to see her, she most likely was jealous of Alicia. I must find the neighbors clip who said Alicia was at the Home of AL and EB's that night. The time frame is so....tight!

So did it go like this.....AL picks up Alicia at her home, then where did he take her for the Oral sodomy?(it obviously happened in the SUV) Then AL goes to Love's to buy gas then to Concrete place. Was Alicia still in the SUV alive or was she already dead in the SUV or.......did this all go down in his driveway after he picked her up and maybe EB caught them?

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 01:18 PM
Okay I just found this:

"Gerald Martin told KSN news that he was at the party and had met Alicia there. Longoria claims there was no party

at his house".


http://hubpages.com/hub/Adam-Longoria-Alicia-DeBolt-Murder

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 01:25 PM
Another link re Gerald Martin seeing Alicia at the "party"

http://www.ksn.com/mostpopular/story/Vigil-planned-for-slain-Great-Bend-teen/GiUk3vf4E0-VZXghFKonvg.cspx

Thursday night, law enforcement executed a search warrant at Longoria’s Great Bend home, focusing on the garage. Longoria’s neighbor tells KSN Longoria had a party in the garage over the weekend and that 14-year-old DeBolt was there.

“Yes, she was there the same night,” said neighbor Gerald Martin. “They were all partying together and left together, so I don’t know what happened after that.”

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 01:29 PM
So....if the above is true, was EB there?

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 01:31 PM
OT, I have a meeting I have to go to, but I am going to research this a tad more when I return.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 01:42 PM
Okay I just found this:

"Gerald Martin told KSN news that he was at the party and had met Alicia there. Longoria claims there was no party

at his house".


http://hubpages.com/hub/Adam-Longoria-Alicia-DeBolt-Murder

I found this whole transcript of AL's interview with the reporter just prior to the search:

Adam Longoria Speaks on Death of 14 Year-Old Alicia DeBolt Transcript

Transcript of Exclusive Interview with KWCH and Person of Interest in DeBolt Disappearance

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5775026/adam_longoria_speaks_on_death_of_14_pg2.html?cat=4 9

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 02:05 PM
Thanks Hollyblue......OMG he is such a liar.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 02:17 PM
If in fact EB was sick, why? was she involved with Alicia's demise, did she know he was going to see her, she most likely was jealous of Alicia. I must find the neighbors clip who said Alicia was at the Home of AL and EB's that night. The time frame is so....tight!

So did it go like this.....AL picks up Alicia at her home, then where did he take her for the Oral sodomy?(it obviously happened in the SUV) Then AL goes to Love's to buy gas then to Concrete place. Was Alicia still in the SUV alive or was she already dead in the SUV or.......did this all go down in his driveway after he picked her up and maybe EB caught them?

They are saying her phone pinged west of GB before it "quit". That last news article in the Eagle said she was texting alot....imo while in the car. AL states that LE told him she had texted someone that she was meeting someone at Love's and then to attend a party....but who the heck was she suppose to meet at Love's IF it was her texting? Your right the timeline is very tight. He bought gas at approx 12:10 and was supposedly on his way home at 12:33. Wonder what time he really got home?

I keep thinking about the texts that were sent to Alicia prior to 10:00, when he was still out on the town with EB. Something is not right here.

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 02:20 PM
Thanks Hollyblue......OMG he is such a liar.

LOL One thing he and EB definitely had in common.

cathdawg
12-02-2010, 02:45 PM
We need a transcript for sure. Wonder if the agency that shot that live stream could upload it to you tube?

My very first notes from it were:

Text 23:57 Sick F (from)
" 24:49 Damn T (to)

This was from EB's testimony and I thought it was he who sent the "sick" text!!!

I thought I had reviewed all of the articles from the PH, but I don't recall seeing or reading this one, with the mention of AD texting her friends about school, etc til her phone when silent....along with the text from her mother asking where she is. First I've heard of that. Too, according to the article, after her text to him at 11:57 he didn't reply for 24 minutes....and we haven't heard that reply...which would have been at 12:21am. The next text we know about is at 12:33 when he supposedly texted her he was on his way home.


Okay, according to your notes the 24:49 text 'damn'! means he could not have been home, she said he was home at 12:33 right? Then she changed her tune and said he came back @ 11:15........So......HE WAS NOT HOME AT 12:33! hmmmm

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 03:02 PM
Okay, according to your notes the 24:49 text 'damn'! means he could not have been home, she said he was home at 12:33 right? Then she changed her tune and said he came back @ 11:15........So......HE WAS NOT HOME AT 12:33! hmmmm

Here's the timeline again. The 12:33 was the text....he arrived home at 12:35 per EB.

The text (which I thought was from AL (sick) 23:57 and her response was (Damn) 24:49......now with all this....was it EB that sent that 11:57 to AL and if so...no matter who sent or received....how does the text of "no party" play into this. It was first said to sent at 11:57 and then 12:57....per a few articles. Transcript.....needed.....

Could the "sick, throwing up" and "no party" text be one and same? Same time sent according to some.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFFxb4ov4WkOPr4rWqQFTKikiDEiMpm0fZpuJU5z_ek/edit?hl=en&authkey=CMeKvJgD

hollyblue
12-02-2010, 04:10 PM
OK ....am I going nuts or is the whole world???? This article backs up my post #478 above about AL and EB no contact vs JB and EB? Arrrggghhhh!

Did the courts make a mistake and change the documents? WTH is going on here?????

Motion filed to cease contact between Adam Longoria and girlfriend

December 01, 2010|By John Boyd | KWCH 12 Eyewitness News

http://articles.kwch.com/2010-12-01/adam-longoria_25002794