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ksnurse
12-02-2010, 09:40 PM
Great pics. Very clear. Is it possible to turn onto the road the gravel is on and get a pic of the cemetery....the fence, etc? The oil container jug LE found was just over the fence into the cemetery. I'm surpised you could she the pond from the road...as it seems to be lower than the area of the gravel and sand piles, but maybe it was just the angle of the aerial photos. Thanks again for taking the time to do that.

Yes, I'm sure I could get pics of that as well. I won't have my kids with me, so I won't get a zillion questions on what crazy things I'm doing by taking pics of random things! ;)

I didn't see the pond when we were headed west, but when we were headed back, and going east, it was easily visible. I was surprised b/c I thought it was more secluded as well from viewing the aerial shots.

I still follow this case daily, and try to read all the local news, I just haven't posted much the past month or two. My 3 very active kids & working nightshift takes up much of my "free" time. I can read the forum at work, but I'm afraid to post from there b/c well...I'm sure the IT people at work track everything already. Ha!

ksnurse
12-02-2010, 09:51 PM
The Cemetery is called Dundee Valley.

Thank you, I will make a list of all the places to take pics of with the timeline and track how long it takes me to drive. I know it won't take much driving time between places, as everything is relatively close together. The longest part of the drive would be from AD's house to the plant.

ksnurse
12-02-2010, 10:03 PM
If in fact EB was sick, why? was she involved with Alicia's demise, did she know he was going to see her, she most likely was jealous of Alicia. I must find the neighbors clip who said Alicia was at the Home of AL and EB's that night. The time frame is so....tight!

So did it go like this.....AL picks up Alicia at her home, then where did he take her for the Oral sodomy?(it obviously happened in the SUV) Then AL goes to Love's to buy gas then to Concrete place. Was Alicia still in the SUV alive or was she already dead in the SUV or.......did this all go down in his driveway after he picked her up and maybe EB caught them?

That's exactly what I want to know. I think she was killed in the SUV, near immediately the sexual acts, and maybe...it was not an intentional murder and things got rough, and then he panicked and had to figure out what to do with her body. He figured he could dump her at the concrete plant. But then he realized he needed gas to help cover what he did. I wonder if he had her body in the SUV when he went to Love's? I have a hard time believing he dumped her body at the plant, went to find gas and then went back to finish.

Knowing how quickly he moved that night, I'd be inclined to think he picked her up, he drove to a remote spot (which are everywhere in the area, takes about 5min to get out to country roads), sexual acts happen, she is killed, he drives to Love's to get gas, then headed to concrete plant, dumped her, then drove home.

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Well, It must be determined IF Alicia was seen at AL's home that night by Gerald M.....IF this is true...I think EB is most certainly lying.

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 12:21 AM
One scenario


1801 8 th St to 910 Stone st (Alicia's)--?back to Al's house or...then Love's @ 1221 10th St, then basically to the Dundee cemetery ( different spot than main place for Venture Corp, this division of Venture was close to Cemetery and back to AL's.....I will google this for time. Basically we have been told he picked her up @ 11:01pm.....Oh, does anyone recall when he left Love's? I think I heard he was there for 20 min's. Female cashier did not realize that AL also dealt with Male Cashier.

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 12:48 AM
OMG I hope I have not made a mistake about the Cemetery 'Dundee Valley"...it's a friggin 1hr plus away.....


http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1801+8th+St+Great+Bend+Kansas&daddr=910+Stone+Street+Great+bend+Kansas+to:1801+8 th+Street,+Great+Bend,+Kansas,+United+States+to:12 21+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Kansas+67530,+Unit ed+States+to:Dundee+Valley+Cemetery+Kansas&geocode=FVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w%3BFd1USQIdKuwc-illDOtkNoqjhzEAxQ2oFiEvNw%3BFVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w%3BFWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFXSbSAIdtPkL-iHLqe1UBgRZBQ&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=2,3&sll=38.337132,-99.316&sspn=1.223658,2.090149&ie=UTF8&z=9

YET it states in this article

The body was found in Barton County, southwest of Great Bend, at an asphalt plant. The location is behind the Dundee Valley Cemetery.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/25/1461069/body-found-in-rural-barton-county.html#ixzz171dj9SdL

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 01:00 AM
OMG, I feel like tearing my hair out! HELP. The info 'out there' has so....many inconsistencies.

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 01:01 AM
OK ....am I going nuts or is the whole world???? This article backs up my post #478 above about AL and EB no contact vs JB and EB? Arrrggghhhh!

Did the courts make a mistake and change the documents? WTH is going on here?????

Motion filed to cease contact between Adam Longoria and girlfriend

December 01, 2010|By John Boyd | KWCH 12 Eyewitness News

http://articles.kwch.com/2010-12-01/adam-longoria_25002794


I hear ya!!! LOL

hollyblue
12-03-2010, 08:35 AM
Thank you, I will make a list of all the places to take pics of with the timeline and track how long it takes me to drive. I know it won't take much driving time between places, as everything is relatively close together. The longest part of the drive would be from AD's house to the plant.

When doing the map, I plugged in the addy of the plant and AD's home....which took the northern route thru GB. Map said 13 mins travel time and 7.8 miles. Now I realize there is another route...south along Railroad Ave and he would have had to take a northern street somewhere to get to Loves. Tend to think this southern route gets less traffic, but not being from there, I'm only speculating. I'll have to take a drive on the map to see how many lights on 10th St. Of course, we don't know how old this satellite image is and if any construction has been done since. Curious to see how accurate the map is.

hollyblue
12-03-2010, 08:49 AM
OMG I hope I have not made a mistake about the Cemetery 'Dundee Valley"...it's a friggin 1hr plus away.....


http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1801+8th+St+Great+Bend+Kansas&daddr=910+Stone+Street+Great+bend+Kansas+to:1801+8 th+Street,+Great+Bend,+Kansas,+United+States+to:12 21+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Kansas+67530,+Unit ed+States+to:Dundee+Valley+Cemetery+Kansas&geocode=FVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w%3BFd1USQIdKuwc-illDOtkNoqjhzEAxQ2oFiEvNw%3BFVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w%3BFWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFXSbSAIdtPkL-iHLqe1UBgRZBQ&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=2,3&sll=38.337132,-99.316&sspn=1.223658,2.090149&ie=UTF8&z=9

YET it states in this article

The body was found in Barton County, southwest of Great Bend, at an asphalt plant. The location is behind the Dundee Valley Cemetery.


Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/25/1461069/body-found-in-rural-barton-county.html#ixzz171dj9SdL



The cemetery is within the property boundries of the asphalt plant. Here's info. You'll need to scroll down about an inch.

http://www.pawneerock.org/wind/wind54.html

http://www.pawneerock.org/wind/dundeegate.jpg

cathdawg
12-03-2010, 05:10 PM
SB has made her Facebook private.

hollyblue
12-04-2010, 08:04 AM
SB has made her Facebook private.

So did JB and they changed their pics to cartoon characters. Hmmm. Wonder if it has anything to do with the order?

ETA: It's certainly maddening how many lives a pc of ???? can turn up side down. .

zoomom
12-04-2010, 10:27 AM
So did JB and they changed their pics to cartoon characters. Hmmm. Wonder if it has anything to do with the order?

ETA: It's certainly maddening how many lives a pc of ???? can turn up side down. .


The FB "change your Avatar into your favorite cartoon character from your childhood" thing is to show support against child abuse. I don't know who started it, but it started a few days ago, (that I was invited to join.) Plus, no two people can have the exact same avatar, so people are having to scramble to find what they want.

ETA - I don't know if this is actually sponsored by a legit group, or if it's just one of those things that going flying around on FB.....trying to find a legit link.

ADD: ok - google "change your avatar to fight child abuse" and you will find dozens of links........apparently it's not just FB. They want to keep it going till Dec 6th (?), don't know why they picked that date, since I don't know who started it.

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Went back to this old article ( Aug 30) where EB talks about AL .............

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m.


OPERATIVE WORD, "THINKS" he came home at 12:30 or 1am........





Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz17AAhMXQW

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 12:42 PM
I went back to google map and inserted AL's House to Alicia's, Loves to Venture (the division close to Dundee Cemetery) and back to Al's House. Travel Time 41 MIN's. NO STOPS ! So.....41 min's travel time alone! Something stinks with the time line .

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=8th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA&daddr=1801+Stone+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA+to: 1221+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA+(love%27s+ travel+stop)+to:SW+56+Ave,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Kan sas+67530,+United+States+to:8th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS +67530,+USA&geocode=FSJQSQIdrcMc-ilvPa09ToqjhzGVCB2M7QkhrA%3BFb15SQId1-sc-ikDwN5OyoujhzFUh-aDb_0lKg%3BFWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFRmHSAId-T0b-in5fn0KhgqkhzGoHfIanDm7mw%3BFSJQSQIdrcMc-ilvPa09ToqjhzGVCB2M7QkhrA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=38.33868,-98.81577&sspn=0.076478,0.129776&ie=UTF8&z=13

hollyblue
12-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Went back to this old article ( Aug 30) where EB talks about AL .............

That same night, not far from Alicia's home, Longoria left his home about 11 p.m. in the woman's black 2002 Ford Escape, saying he was going to see a friend, the woman said. She said she thinks he returned within about two hours, between 12:30 and 1 a.m.


OPERATIVE WORD, "THINKS" he came home at 12:30 or 1am........



Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/08/30/1469495/girlfriend-saw-promise-in-longoria.html#ixzz17AAhMXQW


He told her he had nothing to do with it.....yet...if you love me, you'll get rid of my shirt. Hello. And in the interview with the 1/2 sister, she apparently mentioned the big blood stain....yep.

Too bad the Eagle didn't allow comments on that article...they'd still be posting.....

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 12:54 PM
If Alicia sent a text at 11:20 to mystery person, so she was still alive at 11:20pm

Longoria sent Alicia a text @ 12:57 "never mind there isn't going to be a Party" ......this call NEVER registered on Alicia's phone! So.......my guess this was at Venture.



LINK:

http://www.foxkansas.com/news/local/story/Adam-Longoria-bound-over-for-trial-in-Great-Bend/KOX_9_VuHEiDIorBZONO3g.cspx

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 01:00 PM
hollyblue, I have looked all over for local chat and zip. No one talks about this horrible crime , I have tried Topix in GB and everywhere else I can think of. I think WS is about the only place that Alicia's Case is being discussed. Scared Monkey's dropped it and so on.

hollyblue
12-04-2010, 01:02 PM
I went back to google map and inserted AL's House to Alicia's, Loves to Venture (the division close to Dundee Cemetery) and back to Al's House. Travel Time 41 MIN's. NO STOPS ! So.....41 min's travel time alone! Something stinks with the time line .

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=8th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA&daddr=1801+Stone+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA+to: 1221+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA+(love%27s+ travel+stop)+to:SW+56+Ave,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Kan sas+67530,+United+States+to:8th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS +67530,+USA&geocode=FSJQSQIdrcMc-ilvPa09ToqjhzGVCB2M7QkhrA%3BFb15SQId1-sc-ikDwN5OyoujhzFUh-aDb_0lKg%3BFWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFRmHSAId-T0b-in5fn0KhgqkhzGoHfIanDm7mw%3BFSJQSQIdrcMc-ilvPa09ToqjhzGVCB2M7QkhrA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=38.33868,-98.81577&sspn=0.076478,0.129776&ie=UTF8&z=13

Sure does. The addresses were a little off ....I reentered, but there is only a 2 min. difference.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1801+8th+Street,+Great+Bend,+KS,+United+Stat es&daddr=Great+Bend,+910+Stone+Street,+KS+67530,+USA+ to:1221+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+KS+67530,+USA+(love's +travel+stop)+to:SW+56+Ave,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Ka nsas+67530,+United+States+to:1801+8th+st,++Great+B end,+KS+67530,+USA&hl=en&geocode=FVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w%3BFd1USQIdKuwc-illDOtkNoqjhzEAxQ2oFiEvNw%3BFWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFRmHSAId-T0b-in5fn0KhgqkhzGoHfIanDm7mw%3BFVdQSQId0QEd-ikb05HhMIqjhzER4CY-DvG59w&mra=ls&sll=38.341791,-98.815842&sspn=0.056413,0.10952&ie=UTF8&z=12

Here's copy of the case map too: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=102769923443382065042.00048eacf7ca54ee97194&ll=38.360503,-98.77327&spn=0.250361,0.43808&z=11

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 01:10 PM
I am trying to find out how long he was at Loves that Eve. IF my memory serves me correctly it was about 20 min. based on testimonys. So.......he would have had to go back to Venture, do his dirty deed then back to the loving arms of EB.

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 01:11 PM
hollyblue, thanks for map, I wasn't to sure about my addresses.

hollyblue
12-04-2010, 01:15 PM
hollyblue, I have looked all over for local chat and zip. No one talks about this horrible crime , I have tried Topix in GB and everywhere else I can think of. I think WS is about the only place that Alicia's Case is being discussed. Scared Monkey's dropped it and so on.

Not too many still with us here. It's a shame. All of us were 14 at one time and it could have happened to us or anyone we knew. Alicia needs to have justice served for her and I think there are going to be quite a few surprises in her case. IMO

Another forum more or less stopped posting on her case too. I haven't check any blogs.

hollyblue
12-04-2010, 01:28 PM
I am trying to find out how long he was at Loves that Eve. IF my memory serves me correctly it was about 20 min. based on testimonys. So.......he would have had to go back to Venture, do his dirty deed then back to the loving arms of EB.

Did notice on the map it's 3 minutes from where AL lived and AD's house...and him saying he'd be there in 3 minutes.

Her last text (that we know of) was at 11:20 saying "yeh" to someone. She had also texted someone at 11:08-09 regarding a ride. So her phone was "silent" 20 mins. before it quit pinging at 11:40.

That 12:57 time is being mixed back and forth with the 11:57 time. Don't know if it is just a bloop or real, but the 11:57 was the time for the "sick and throwing up text too."

I keep saying text @ 11:33, but it was a call to EB from AL saying he was on his way home....It was a call...so she could be lying about that and what was really said.

LE hasn't said exactly where all her phone pings were from, but they did say the west side of GB.

I can't tell you how every inch of my being tells me EB is involved. It's weird.

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 01:36 PM
http://www.kwch.com/news/longoria/

She says she received a call from Longoria at 12:33AM and he told her he was on his way home. She says he eventually arrived home.
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I have been watching and will help update while the reporter is away. Eva has stated that when Adam returned home he washed his clothes, which was unusual. This was approx. 12:35am. Eva also stated that the next day Adam washed his sneakers that he wore the night before and washed the shoe laces in a cup of bleach. She also stated that he tore up his shirt and told her that if she loved him, to throw it out.




OKAY: EB states she received a call from him at 12:33 saying he was on his way home. Then she states he EVENTUALLY arrive home at 12:35 OKay this is 2 min's LATER!

cathdawg
12-04-2010, 01:42 PM
HE purchased the Gas @ Love's @ 12:10, I think he left Love's at 12:20 then he had to go to Venture, do his deed and return back to his home by 12:35 IMPOSSIBLE! IMO

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cathdawg
12-04-2010, 02:18 PM
AL seen buying Gas @ Love's receipt time 12:10 then to Venture then to Home round trip travel only, 33 min.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1221+10th+St,+Great+Bend,+Barton,+Kansas+675 30,+United+States&daddr=SW+56+Ave+Great+Bend+Kansas+to:Great+Bend,+1 891+8th+Street,+Kansas,+United+States&geocode=FWVZSQIdCSQd-inf7k20LoqjhzFmYtqxCdOfow%3BFRmHSAId-T0b-in5fn0KhgqkhzGoHfIanDm7mw%3BFUdQSQId-fwc-ikb05HhMIqjhzEuj9FVjSztAQ&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=38.333618,-98.8169&sspn=0.152966,0.259552&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12

So....if he left Love's at 12:20 approx.

He would have had to take Alicia to the area @ Venture where she was found, do the deed and I would say this would take at least 20 min. So.....how did he arrive Home @ 12:35??????

Salem
12-05-2010, 03:57 PM
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