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Woofie
10-01-2010, 05:52 PM
I did a search on this and could not find anything. This case is really haunting me:-(

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353

I hope he is still alive and just suffering from amnesia.

sillybilly
10-02-2010, 11:58 AM
2010 Shambhala Music Festival in BC was held Aug 6 to 9:

http://www.shambhalamusicfestival.com/tickets.php

at the Salmo River Ranch, Salmo, BC:

A=Salmo
B=Grand Forks
C=Kelowna

Sorry for all the white space below the map ... am just learning how to post screenshots and obviously have a bit to learn here.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz15/sillybillyyyy/SalmoGrandForksKelowna.jpg

Grand Forks is just north of the Canada/US border (the grey line near the bottom of the map ... I have no idea why Yahoo maps shows the route going down into the US because that is not factual).

I wonder if the LEO that picked Owen up was on or off duty, and if Owen told the officer or hospital staff how he got the bruises.

sillybilly
10-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Some initial discussion of Owen's case took place in another thread. Here are some relevant links from those posts:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/starlighttours.html

http://www.examiner.com/racial-issues-in-calgary/starlight-tours-racism-canada

http://www.injusticebusters.com/04/Scott_Dave.shtml

sillybilly
10-02-2010, 12:30 PM
FWIW, Grand Forks and the neighbouring communities of Greenwood and Creston are well-known in BC for having a rather extensive biker population.

Hazel
10-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Dark mystery of a missing Australian - Owen Rooney
September 13, 2010 12:00AM

THE family of a Sydney man who vanished from a Canadian hospital more than one month ago are at a loss to explain his disappearance.
There has been no trace of 24-year-old Sydney electrician Owen Rooney since he disappeared from the Boundary Hospital in Grand Forks, Canada, on August 14, where he was being treated for facial bruising.
Parents Sharon and Steve have joined the search for Owen.

"We haven't heard anything. My parents are here now. We'll stay until we find him," [his sister] Bree said.

Owen was last seen at a picnic table outside the hospital. He disappeared before he was formally discharged and left his backpack behind. His passport was left behind in his apartment.

Owen's bank accounts and credit cards have not been touched nor has there been any activity on his Facebook page.Owen had been to the Shambhala Music Festival and was hitching 400km back to Kelowna when he was given a ride by a police officer.

The police officer has told authorities Owen appeared unwell and had bruises on his face so he had advised him to go to hospital.

The police officer had dropped Owen at the Grand Forks bus depot.

Owen made it to the hospital but has not been seen since.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/09/12/1225919/738868-owen-rooney.jpg
Missing Sydney man
Owen Rooney, 24
RS&BBM
Full Article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353

Hazel
10-02-2010, 05:00 PM
Just opened a thread for Owen in the Missing/Located DISCUSSION Forum

Here is the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5649023#post5649023

Valleyboy
10-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Here is a video about his disappearance


http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/57090/Video-Search-for-Owen-Rooney

Hazel
10-02-2010, 05:25 PM
2010 Shambhala Music Festival in BC was held Aug 6 to 9:

http://www.shambhalamusicfestival.com/tickets.php

at the Salmo River Ranch, Salmo, BC:

A=Salmo
B=Grand Forks
C=Kelowna

Sorry for all the white space below the map ... am just learning how to post screenshots and obviously have a bit to learn here.


RSBM for space

:dance: Yay SB! So glad to see that finally that pop-up window appeared!

Do you still have my PM with the instructions? You need to open your image with any Image or Graphic Editor program.
Tools > Selection Tools > Rectangle Select (select only the area you want to save)
Image > Crop to Selection
If you want to make image bigger or smaller:
Image > Scale Image
File > Save As

Hazel
10-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Here is a video about his disappearance


http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/57090/Video-Search-for-Owen-Rooney

Thanks Valleyboy, you beat me, I was about to post that exact same link :)

Found this other picture of him:http://www.theprovince.com/sports/3414586.bin

The family has been plastering small towns in the Kootenay and the Interior, including Grand Forks, Nelson, Osoyoos and Kelowna with posters and missing person pamphletsSharron said Rooney had attended the Shambhala Music Festival in Salmo and was trying to make his way back to Kelowna.

He hitched a ride near Christina Lake with a police officer to the Grand Forks bus depot.It is unlike her son to be involved in a fight, said Sharron.

He was living at home til he was 22, she said. In all that time, he never had a fight ever. He has a very good sense of humour and thats just not him.

Rooney, who is in Canada on a working visa, worked at Big White with his sisters over the winter.Rooney is:
5' 9''
160 lbs
short brown hair
was last seen wearing a dark shirt and shorts

He has two distinctive tattoos: a tribal-style O on his shoulder
the Australian-made symbol of a kangaroo in a triangle on the outside of his right leg

Anyone with information is asked to call Grand Forks RCMP at 250-442-8288

Full Article: http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Family+pleading+info+about+Aussie+missing+from+Gra nd+Forks/3469625/story.html

Hazel
10-02-2010, 06:04 PM
http://someoneismissing.com/flyers/owen-rooney.jpg

http://someoneismissing.com/

Hazel
10-02-2010, 06:05 PM
http://someoneismissing.com/flyers/owen-rooney.jpg

http://someoneismissing.com/

ellabella
10-02-2010, 06:08 PM
Does anyone know how long he had been living in Kelowna/Canada? My brother lived in Kelowna and was involved in what looks to be the same 'scene' for many years until recently.

It seems odd to me that the police officer noted him (from the video above) 'bleeding from both ears' and simply dropped him at a bus station, two black eyes, sure, but bleeding from both ears?

hoppyfrog
10-02-2010, 07:33 PM
That makes it sound like a skull fracture, doesn't it?

Valleyboy
10-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Does anyone know how long he had been living in Kelowna/Canada? My brother lived in Kelowna and was involved in what looks to be the same 'scene' for many years until recently.

It seems odd to me that the police officer noted him (from the video above) 'bleeding from both ears' and simply dropped him at a bus station, two black eyes, sure, but bleeding from both ears?


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353



Owen had been on a working holiday in Canada with Bree and their sister Kelly when he disappeared.l

Owen had worked over the Canadian winter with his sisters at the Big White ski resort. At the end of the season the siblings had parted ways, with Owen deciding to stay in the area and work at a local restaurant while his sisters travelled to Vancouver.

ellabella
10-02-2010, 08:11 PM
Very strange, I will have to call my brother, that is the resort he lived/worked at as well. It's a very very tight knit group of kids from my experience.

It sounds like whoever assaulted him may have found him at the hospital? I can't imagine that if he just wandered off he would not have been found yet.

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 02:35 AM
Aug 6 to 9 Shambalah Music Festival at Salmo

Post Aug 9 Family believes he hitched a ride to Nelson and somehow made his way from Nelson to Grand Forks, then Christina Lake where they believe the assault occurred.

Aug 12 Had breakfast on Thursday with couple at Yaky Jackie Cafe, Grand Forks

Aug 13 Family says he was okay

Aug 13/14 Owen somehow ended up at Christina Lake (13.9 mi / 17 mins east of Grand Forks). Had 2 black eyes and was bleeding from the ears. !!! LE picked him up and took him to bus depot in Grand Forks.

Aug 14 8:00 pm, disappeared from outside Grand Forks Hospital where he was being treated

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 02:53 AM
Yaky Jackie Cafe, 258 Market, Grand Forks
Greyhound, 7500 Donaldson Drive, RR2, Grand Forks
Boundary Hospital, 7649 22nd St, Grand Forks

Of note is that the hospital is very close to the bus station, which again begs the question, why didn't the officer drive Owen to the hospital instead of the bus depot. Any dodo knows that bleeding from the ears is a very serious medical symptom.

Who said that Owen was paranoid after the festival?

Did Owen leave the hospital, fearing that the person(s) who beat him would know he was there and would find him?

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 03:33 AM
from
http://boundarysentinel.com/node/6937

Rooney was last seen at the Boundary Hospital, where police had dropped him off after picking him up on the highway hitchhiking. RCMP said they saw bruising on him and took him to the hospital, which he voluntarily entered

So which one is it ... was he taken to the bus depot or the hospital ??

Hazel
10-03-2010, 09:28 AM
from
http://boundarysentinel.com/node/6937



So which one is it ... was he taken to the bus depot or the hospital ??

IDK SB, the logical thiing would have been to drop him off at the hospital.

According to the articles, Owen did made it to the hospital and received treatment, and was last seen at the hospital's picnic area.

It doesn't say that he was bleeding from the ears when the officer saw him, only that he had facial bruising and 2 black eyes. SB, could you please find the quote for me, where the bleeding of the ears is mentioned? or was that in the video?

Three of my many questions:

( 1 ) "What did Owen tell the nurses/doctors at the hospital? Did he give any explanation as how he was injured? or by whom? or where?"
. . . . . (Once my son got a black eye at school, and the doctor at the hospital asked all kinds of questions, he wanted to know all the details.)

( 2 ) "How many days (hours) did he remain at the hospital, and what kind of treatment did he receive?"

( 3 ) "Did Owen left his backpack at the picnic table?"
Owen was last seen at a picnic table outside the hospital. He disappeared before he was formally discharged and left his backpack behind. His passport was left behind in his apartment.

Read more: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353

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Editing to add a comment found on the article posted above, which is just a comment (not a fact), and I truly hope that Owen gave a full account of how he was injured/harmed.Posted at 9:17 AM September 13, 2010

Those who caused the bruises must have kidnapped him and killed him. I hope he said something about those bruises and the reason why he was in the hospital. If he did not want to talk about it, that means the case may involve drugs or mafias. I hope he said something before, that could have been a clue

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tarabull
10-03-2010, 10:28 AM
Is this one of those "only in Canada" things, like red rose tea and the idea we all live in igloo's??? Just asking as I'm not knowing. IMO, people disappear everyday all over this round ball we are riding around on - people are STRANGE yes they sure are but, missing people even STRANGER.

Posted at 10:34 AM September 13, 2010
I hate to tell you this but it happens a lot in Canada. It may be the wrong time of year for it but still, ask a Canadian what a "starlight walk" is. This looks just like one of them. Their bodies are almost never found. I hope the family can bring in additional help to find him.

Found under this report posted up thread:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OWEN, Where are you?? Please be safe & sound.

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 12:57 PM
SB, could you please find the quote for me, where the bleeding of the ears is mentioned? or was that in the video?

Yes, in the video.

This bus depot vs hospital thing is peeing me off. Earlier reports specifically stated the LEO dropped him at the bus depot, then it became more and more that he was dropped at the bus depot with a suggestion he go to the hospital, and now it's that he was dropped at the hospital.

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 01:03 PM
Is this one of those "only in Canada" things, like red rose tea and the idea we all live in igloo's??? Just asking as I'm not knowing. IMO, people disappear everyday all over this round ball we are riding around on - people are STRANGE yes they sure are but, missing people even STRANGER.



Found under this report posted up thread:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/dark-mystery-of-a-missing-australian-owen-rooney/story-e6freuy9-1225919729353

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OWEN, Where are you?? Please be safe & sound.

I'm having to bite my tongue a lot on this one Tarabull ... but at this point i have to say I agree with that poster's perception.

tarabull
10-03-2010, 01:50 PM
My curiosity had peaked....I had to look:

Starlight Tours

A starlight tour is the non-sanctioned police practice of picking up individuals in their cruisers, mostly homeless, drug addicts, or other such marginalized people, and taking them outside of town where they would be beaten and/or abandoned on the side of the road.

A suspected case in Canada resulted in an inquiry in 2003 into the hypothermia death of Neil Stonechild in 1990 in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. The inquiry found that he might have been subjected to a starlight tour by the police. However, the inquiry found that at the time of the death the police investigation was not adequate to conclude what the circumstances were surrounding Neil Stonechild's death. However, the 2 officers who picked up Stonechild that evening were eventually fired.


I do remember Stonechild's case....RIP Neil.

I don't like the feeling I'm getting.

Just saying...

luckyducky
10-03-2010, 02:04 PM
It may be the wrong time of year for it but still, ask a Canadian what a "starlight walk" is. This looks just like one of them. Their bodies are almost never found. I hope the family can bring in additional help to find him. I have lived in Canada all my life and have never heard the term "starlight walk". :waitasec: I sure hope they find Owen. Ok Tara i was in the midst of posting when you posted about the "starlight tours".

sillybilly
10-03-2010, 03:06 PM
It may be the wrong time of year for it but still, ask a Canadian what a "starlight walk" is. This looks just like one of them. Their bodies are almost never found. I hope the family can bring in additional help to find him. I have lived in Canada all my life and have never heard the term "starlight walk". :waitasec: I sure hope they find Owen. Ok Tara i was in the midst of posting when you posted about the "starlight tours".

"Starlight tours" is the common phrase. In another one of the infamous tours, 2 Saskatoon LE were convicted of forcible confinement (re Darrell Night)

luckyducky
10-04-2010, 12:45 PM
Australian Expatriate Missing in Canada You Can Help http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/australian-expatriate-missing-in-canada-you-can-help-10892

sillybilly
10-04-2010, 02:04 PM
Australian Expatriate Missing in Canada – You Can Help http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/australian-expatriate-missing-in-canada-you-can-help-10892


I believe this is the first time we have heard that Owen initially received a ride directly from Castlegar to Christina Lake. That puts Owen into Christina Lake on 2 separate occasions:

Owen got a ride from Castlegar westward to arrive in Christina Lake the first time.

He then ended up further west in Grand Forks supposedly having breakfast with a couple on the Thursday. If that Grand Forks breakfast story is true, then

Some time after that breakfast, Owen returned eastward to arrive in Christina Lake for the second time in order for LE to have picked him up there Thursday/Friday? and take him back to Grand Forks.

At this point, it seems the only people that could have information on Owen's travels and contacts are LE and hospital staff.

We don't know who drove Owen from Castlegar to Christina Lake the first time (so if that info is factual, who did it come from)

We don't know who Owen had breakfast with in Grand Forks (so if that info is factual, who did it come from)

We don't know who drove Owen from Grand Forks back to Christina Lake the second time (so if that info is factual, who did it come from)

Owen had the perfect opportunity (while safe in a cruiser with LE and/or safe in a hospital setting) to tell who assaulted him. Why would he not have done so?

tarabull
10-04-2010, 02:18 PM
SB...as always, you make great points...maybe the mystery couple will come forward. I can't believe Owen's been missing since August 14th with very little being reported.

with regard to your last question - Owen safe in the cruiser with LE - why would he not have told who assaulted him? the answer my mind initially concludes is that the "assault" hadn't happened yet? wrong, right or indifferent, that's my initial reaction....just saying.

with regards to - Owen safe in a hospital setting - I am questioning if he was even a patient - I mean all we have is his backpack at a picnic table outside - right? why no report from the hospital? shouldn't they be shouting from the rooftops that they have a missing patient?

YKWIM?

dotr
10-04-2010, 02:39 PM
Posted this on L.C. thread, thought it should be here also.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/297936

LadyL
10-04-2010, 07:59 PM
Owen's FB:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=&init=quick&tas=0.5315324040602136#!/profile.php?id=744955391&ref=search

LadyL
10-04-2010, 08:02 PM
Owen's sister Kelly states on her FB that this is probably the most accurate depiction of events and asks that it be shared:

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/australian-expatriate-missing-in-canada-you-can-help-10892

"... admitted himself to hospital on the 13th of August – however on the 14th of August he walked out of Grand Forks hospital ..."

"... Owen was assaulted in Christina Lake ..."

LadyL
10-04-2010, 08:03 PM
Help Find Owen Rooney FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=&init=quick&tas=0.5315324040602136#!/group.php?gid=153559174657446

sillybilly
10-04-2010, 09:37 PM
SB...as always, you make great points...maybe the mystery couple will come forward. I can't believe Owen's been missing since August 14th with very little being reported.

with regard to your last question - Owen safe in the cruiser with LE - why would he not have told who assaulted him? the answer my mind initially concludes is that the "assault" hadn't happened yet? wrong, right or indifferent, that's my initial reaction....just saying.

with regards to - Owen safe in a hospital setting - I am questioning if he was even a patient - I mean all we have is his backpack at a picnic table outside - right? why no report from the hospital? shouldn't they be shouting from the rooftops that they have a missing patient?

YKWIM?

YIKWYM ;) ... there are certain towns in BC that are "wrapped up tight" ... YKWIM?

dotr
10-04-2010, 11:32 PM
Some unusual activities at Christina lake..
http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Christina+Lake+bears+saved/3466505/story.html

nao
10-06-2010, 06:22 PM
Poor family, hard enough to have someone go missing from home. The expenses and lack of connection or knowledge of the country just a horrible stressful extra burden.
Before i found WS i presumed most missing people were found - oneway or the other.
How hard the decision must be that you cannot search or stay any longer.
From the link of dotr - large growop with bears- myself living in BC hillbilly country i'll add what i know.
If Christina Lake has one large growop it has a favorable enviroment so theres probably more.
With large grows, plants need tending and harvest usually starts in September. Its been a wet year, so early harvest. Clipping the plants so they are ready for sale is well paying employment.
Maybe thats why he was hanging around Christina Lake, I've heard -you get a place to stay/camp plus $20-$30 an hour. Not talking about there thats just the going rate.

Here there used to be people that did a few or at max a couple of hundred plants, pay some of the morgage, clothes for the kids, put the money back into the community.
But now those people have been busted or got scared. So now we have huge growops, and they are not nice people, not part of the community, very good at hiding cause us locals don't even hear rumors till a bust.
Bears are also carnivourous, gotta admit they would be guards.
Oh how i wish the shows CSI and Bones where more real.

summer_breeze
10-06-2010, 07:27 PM
http://www.expatdailynews.com/2010/10/australian-expatriate-missing-in-canada.html

Monday, October 4, 2010

Owen Kiernan Rooney is a 24-year-old Australian expatriate who has gone missing in Canada: we are supporting his family and the police as they work hard to find him and bring him home. You can help us by getting involved in spreading the message about this young mans disappearance.

dotr
10-06-2010, 08:10 PM
I posted this link in page 1 of this thread although it was an older case.I wonder if the Mothers of these young men could possibly get together and perhaps share cost/space/info of missing person billboard .
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/297936

Hazel
10-06-2010, 10:53 PM
Monday, October 4, 2010
Australian Expatriate Missing in Canada You Can Help

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_txGm9X952SQ/TKm5XDUt36I/AAAAAAAAAD0/WCOJIAbS2EI/s1600/owen_rooney.jpg
Owen Kiernan Rooney is a 24-year-old Australian expatriate who has gone missing in Canada

Owen Kiernan Rooney is 24 years old
He is an Australian citizen.
He is 175cm tall (thats 5 foot 9 inches)
he weighs about 73 kg (which is 161 pounds or 11 stone 7 pounds)
He has brown hair
and two distinctive tattoos - one is on his shoulder, its about 3 inches across and is a circle shaped Celtic star. The other on his calve is a triangle with a kangaroo on it.

Full article - Expat Daily News: http://www.expatdailynews.com/2010/10/australian-expatriate-missing-in-canada.html

sillybilly
10-10-2010, 06:25 PM
Bump for Owen !!

I recall reading that Owen's cell phone had been smashed, so presumably it was located in his backpack that was left behind, but obviously he would not have been able to call anyone. It was also said that his bank accounts, credit cards, and FB account had not been accessed. I wonder if his bank/credit cards were found in his backpack, or a wallet or any money he would need to purchase a bus ticket. IF he had money and/or access to it, why was he hitch-hiking instead of taking a bus back to Kelowna?

sillybilly
10-10-2010, 10:45 PM
AFAIK, the only way the bus depot factored into this situation was from the LEO himself. So this brings some questions to mind:

Up until Owen encountered LEO, he had been hitch-hiking his way back to Kelowna, so why would Owen suddenly decide to take a bus from Grand Forks?

Let's say LEO advised Owen that hitch-hiking was not safe and he should take a bus, and Owen figured he'd go to the bus depot to satisfy LEO, how would Owen have known where the hospital was in relation to the bus depot??

IF LEO took Owen directly to the hospital, why would the bus depot ever even enter into any aspect of Owen's disappearance?

Wondergirl
10-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Where is Owen???

sillybilly
10-11-2010, 03:40 PM
What are the odds of a person surviving a vicious attack one day that leaves them bruised and bleeding from the ears, only to have that person hospitalized and disappear the next day before being formally discharged from the hospital?? I don't think those odds are great, in which case, i'm inclined to believe that the person responsible for the first attack is responsible for Owen's disappearance.

Question WRT the backpack ... IF one is admitted to hospital, aren't their personal belongings put into safekeeping at the hospital?

sillybilly
10-11-2010, 11:29 PM
Paranoia is a delusional or irrational state of mind ... the assault upon Owen was very much a reality, someone was out to hurt him ... and that did not occur until approximately August 13/14th, so it had nothing to do with Shambhala.

According to the video, Owen was seen alive and well on August 13, so only a matter of hours before he was supposedly dropped off by LE at the bus depot / hospital, and a full day after he supposedly had breakfast with the couple in Grand Forks on August 12.

Between August 9 and August 13, Owen initiated at least 2 encounters with total strangers by choosing to hitchhike.There is also the one supposed occasion where he was socializing with the unknown couple. Doesn't sound like he was too afraid of anything at that point. It is important to determine who told LE or the hospital that Owen was "paranoid" after he left Shambhala, because that appears to be a lie.

I'm sure LE knows, but does anyone here know if a smashed cell phone would scuttle a forensic evaluation?

sillybilly
10-11-2010, 11:37 PM
Too late to edit my previous post at:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CANADA Canada - BC, Owen Rooney (24) - Australian missing in Grand Forks, 14.08.2010


but where I repeated the phrase "so if that info is factual, who did it come from", it would make much more sense to have said "so if that info is NOT factual, who did it come from?"

sillybilly
10-11-2010, 11:53 PM
In this pic of Owen, he is having breakfast:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CANADA Canada - BC, Owen Rooney (24) - Australian missing in Grand Forks, 14.08.2010


Just occurred to me, is that pic from a family photo album or was it taken when Owen had breakfast in Grand Forks?

Summersolstice
10-12-2010, 09:42 AM
What are the odds of a person surviving a vicious attack one day that leaves them bruised and bleeding from the ears, only to have that person hospitalized and disappear the next day before being formally discharged from the hospital?? I don't think those odds are great, in which case, i'm inclined to believe that the person responsible for the first attack is responsible for Owen's disappearance.

Question WRT the backpack ... IF one is admitted to hospital, aren't their personal belongings put into safekeeping at the hospital?

Not so much safekeeping as "her'e a locker by the side of your bed, with no lock unless you brought one, knowing you'd be admitted to hospital and would need it." Modern life!

summer_breeze
10-12-2010, 07:11 PM
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/thegoldenstar/news/104817194.html

By Karl Yu - Grand Forks Gazette
Published: October 12, 2010 3:00 PM
Updated: October 12, 2010 3:34 PM

The family of Owen Kiernan Rooney, 24, is in Grand Forks and is continuing the search for the missing Australian man and they are finding out new details about the disappearance.

nao
10-13-2010, 01:37 AM
www.bclocalnews.com/news -Keremeos Review, and also monday nite his family was on tv, it would be ctv- global -cbc --BC (rabbit ears country) The family, mom, dad 2 sisters think that being small town- somebody knows something. Sillybilly looks like a private house for breakfast pic - there must be a witness to breakfast - so what do the peoples look like, who are they.?
Also i agree its possible someone cuised thru town and was'nt happy to see him - or he wandered and fell into something? ponds.
If the problem started at Christina Lake, where was he dropped off in Christina Lake. How far can you walk before you upset someone? - unless he started hitchhiking there, which looks like hillbilly country, not alot of autos.
Australia's a huge country, if Owen had got lost in the outback- well he just got lost in the canada outback.
They don't look like rich people, their son do's the same things my child does, growing up. I realy hope the australian consulate is supporting them jmi moo

summer_breeze
10-14-2010, 07:22 PM
http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/kelownacapitalnews/news/104825189.html

By Cheryl Wierda - Kelowna Capital News
Published: October 12, 2010 6:00 PM
Updated: October 13, 2010 7:15 AM

Nearly two months have passed since an Australian native living in Kelowna vanished from Kootenays, and police and his family are continuing to search for him.

Hazel
10-14-2010, 09:06 PM
http://media.bclocalnews.com/images/86810grandforkso14.jpg
Owen Kiernan Rooney, 24


This article (at link) contains a bit more information and also answers a few of the questions we had.

I'll try to do a summary from both article and video clip.

What is in purple are my thoughts/questions


Last seen at Boundary Hospital on Aug. 14 at 8 p.m., on a picnic table on the west side of the hospital

left behind his backpack, which contained clothing and a cellphone .. [I am assuming his backpack was left at the picnic table area]

Wallet and ID papers were not in the backpack and have not been located either (according to the RCMP)
The family, father Steve, mother Sharron and sisters Kelly and Bree, met with the members of the hospital on Oct. 7 and say it was informative.

Re Owen's state of mind: Staff at the hospital said that Owen was acting abnormally and paranoid.

there is a suspicion that somebody picked him up
Owen had attended a music festival in Nelson, where he experimented with magic mushrooms

[here I am confused if Nelson is the same area as Salmo, and Castlegar - local knowledge please]


Owen was attending the Shambalah Music Festival in Salmo, BC, then somehow found his way from Castlegar, BC to Christina Lake.

It is known how he got to Castlegar, BC

Owen missed his ride back to Kelowna and hitchhicked his way to Christina Lake

It is unknown how he got from Castlegar to Christina Lake

Owen either got into a fight or was assaulted at Christina Lake

"He was beaten up at Christina Lake because he was looking for people, so he is wondering into somebody's place and said: "I am looking for my friends" (unknown), and they didn't like it", reason why he was assaulted there - they must have thought _ _ _ (lady doesn't know what they must have thought .. [don't ask me, I'm just transcribing]

Owen was picked up by a police officer (who was investigating a suspicious person report), after having been assaulted and they suggested to him that he go the hospital

LE dropped him off at the Grand Forks Greyhound bus station

Owen did board the bus bound for his home in Kelowna, he felt ill and got off the bus and went to the hospital.

Owen had blood on his ears, and was bruised on his temples and facial bruising as well.

His family thinks it's odd that no one else seems to remember him

HTH

http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/keremeosreview/news/104817194.html

Hazel
10-14-2010, 09:17 PM
CHBC News - VIDEO CLIP - Search for Missing Man Continues

The family of Owen Rooney are still searching the Grand Forks area in hopes of finding the Australian man, who was last seen on August 14th.

Click on Image to Play Video
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/68810/1d/broadcastnew.download.akamai.com/68960/Canwest_Broadcast_News/rooney_search_update.jpg (http://www.chbcnews.ca/video/index.html?releasePID=A585ldEp9iL4JO5Y6tWGjpjzvp3P 6UtB)

Goldengoldilocks
10-15-2010, 02:26 AM
some information regarding the privacy laws of hospitals in BC. We are not able to give ANY information whatsoever without the explicit consent of the party involved. If LE or LEO wants information they absolutley MUST fill in a release of information with a warrant or information request from a judge.

So.. We have no way of knowing what exactly was said by Owen in the facility at all, and information by LE would not be released at all as that is considered sealed evidence. Very unfortunate in a case where a person has gone missing, but as a regular client Im incredibly glad my information is safe... if you know what I mean.

Hazel
10-16-2010, 05:17 PM
some information regarding the privacy laws of hospitals in BC. We are not able to give ANY information whatsoever without the explicit consent of the party involved. If LE or LEO wants information they absolutley MUST fill in a release of information with a warrant or information request from a judge.

So.. We have no way of knowing what exactly was said by Owen in the facility at all, and information by LE would not be released at all as that is considered sealed evidence. Very unfortunate in a case where a person has gone missing, but as a regular client Im incredibly glad my information is safe... if you know what I mean.
No exceptions to the rule? Not even to family members? In a case like this, I can't believe the hospital wont be a bit flexible and tell his mother what Owen said. If not, hopefully they have already filled in that release of information form and done all the paperwork.

Like I said in earlier post, I had been wondering what kind of treatment did Owen receive at the hospital, and if he had X-rays, CT scan or MRI of his skull to rule out broken bones and/or internal bleeding that could cause permanent brain damage or worse.

Those bruises would take a long time to disappear; how come nobody in that town remembers seeing him after he left the hospital? It seems as if he called someone from the hospital to pick him up, in which case, did he call from his cellphone or from the hospital? Pay phone maybe?

Also, doesn't the hospital have video surveillance that they can show his family and LE?

I have also been wondering if Owen had some kind of medical insurance (travel insurance maybe?). How did he pay for his stay at the hospital and treatment?

sillybilly
10-16-2010, 07:22 PM
I wonder who advised that Owen had "minor injuries":

from: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/18/3015417.htm

He has not been seen since August 14 when he left a hospital at Grand Forks in British Columbia where he was being treated for minor injuries.

sillybilly
10-20-2010, 02:36 AM
Odd coincidence .. someone I know went fruit-picking in Keremeos (Okanagan) in July and has told me that they worked with an Australian named Owen. I've shown them Owen's picture and they say it is definitely not the same fellow they met.

summer_breeze
10-20-2010, 06:51 PM
http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/Intensive+ground+search+missing+Australian/3702091/story.html

CHBC News, Kelowna: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:38 PM

The family of a missing Australian man who disappeared in Grand Forks more than two months ago are appealing for volunteers to help them in an intensive ground search on Saturday.

luckyducky
10-21-2010, 04:37 PM
Intensive ground search for missing Australian man
The family of a missing Australian man who disappeared in Grand Forks more than two months ago are appealing for volunteers to help them in an intensive ground search on Saturday. http://www.globallethbridge.com/Intensive+ground+search+missing+Australian/3702091/story.html

Hazel
10-22-2010, 07:45 AM
Search for missing Australian man this Saturday
Updated: October 20, 2010 1:00 PM

<<<< snipped >>>>

A search will take place this Saturday (Oct. 23) for Owen Kiernan Rooney, an Australian man missing since Aug. 14.

Search and rescue are asking for volunteers to assist in a search that will begin at 8 a.m. at the quarry off of North Fork Rd.
opposite the Boundary Horse Association grounds.

People who want to help out should wear long sleeves, pants and solid shoes, as the terrain could be rough,
and are asked to bring their own water and lunch.

Anyone wanting more information on Saturday's search or with information on Owen Rooney is asked to
call Grand Forks RCMP at 250-442-8288.

Read more: http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/grandforksgazette/news/105366053.html

Hazel
10-22-2010, 07:55 AM
Search for missing Australian man this Saturday
Updated: October 20, 2010 1:00 PM

<<<< snipped >>>>

A search will take place this Saturday (Oct. 23) for Owen Kiernan Rooney, an Australian man missing since Aug. 14.

Search and rescue are asking for volunteers to assist in a search that will begin at 8 a.m. at the quarry off of North Fork Rd.
opposite the Boundary Horse Association grounds.

People who want to help out should wear long sleeves, pants and solid shoes, as the terrain could be rough,
and are asked to bring their own water and lunch.

Anyone wanting more information on Saturday's search or with information on Owen Rooney is asked to
call Grand Forks RCMP at 250-442-8288.

Read more: http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/grandforksgazette/news/105366053.html

hellinor
10-22-2010, 10:32 AM
[CENTER][I]Search for missing Australian man this Saturday


Good luck to all involved! Prayers from Ontario

Hazel
10-23-2010, 10:38 AM
Search - Reminder - today

a bit extra info in Help Find Owen Rooney Facebook group

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446#!/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

summer_breeze
10-24-2010, 09:45 PM
http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Search+missing+unsuccessful/3719718/story.html

CHBC News, Kelowna: Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:08 PM

A dozen search teams walked through rain in Grand Forks on Saturday, but they failed to reach their goal to find a trace of missing Australian man Owen Rooney.

Hazel
10-24-2010, 10:02 PM
CTV British Columbia: Sarah Galashan talks to missing man's family

Owen Rooney’s family is pleading for help in the search for their missing son

http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/latest-missing-man-ctv-british-columbia-sarah-galashan-talks-to-missing-mans-family/391566851/?icid=VIDLRVNWS06


Direct link to VIDEO: http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-man/#clip343398

Hazel
10-24-2010, 10:15 PM
http://www.ulladullatimes.com.au/multimedia/images/full/956545.jpg

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/3719719.bin?size=sw620nws

sillybilly
10-25-2010, 04:24 PM
Search for missing man unsuccessful
CHBC News, Kelowna: Sunday, October 24, 2010 ...

A dozen search teams walked through rain in Grand Forks on Saturday, but they failed to reach their goal – to find a trace of missing Australian man Owen Rooney ...

full article at:
http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Search+missing+unsuccessful/3719718/story.html

summer_breeze
10-27-2010, 01:53 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/27/3050041.htm?site=idx-nsw

Posted October 27, 2010 18:50:00

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the family of a South Coast man missing in Canada remain optimistic that he's still alive.

Owen Rooney from Milton hasn't been seen since he left a British Colombia hospital where he was seeking treatment for head injuries after being assaulted.

The assault happened days after a music festival where according to his mother Sharron Rooney, he took mushrooms and became paranoid and confused.

Hazel
10-27-2010, 05:33 PM
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the family of a South Coast man missing in Canada remain optimistic that he's still alive.
Posted October 27, 2010 18:50:00
The assault happened days after a music festival where according to his mother Sharron Rooney, he took mushrooms and became paranoid and confused.Royal Canadian Mounted Police Corporal Dan Moskaluk says there's no clue as to where he is despite the use of helicopters and even psychics.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/27/3050041.htm?site=idx-nsw

sillybilly
10-28-2010, 03:24 AM
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the family of a South Coast man missing in Canada remain optimistic that he's still alive.
Posted October 27, 2010 18:50:00



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/27/3050041.htm?site=idx-nsw

If Owen took mushrooms at the music festival, I don't see how that has anything to do with him still being missing. A trip usually lasts up to 10 hours +/-, and even if it was a "bad trip", any negative side effects he may have experienced should have worn off by the time of his disappearance. While side effects have been known to last longer, it doesn't explain his seemingly normal behaviour while with the police officer, nor does it explain his ongoing failure to surface. IMO, he's not out there somewhere suffering the mental or physical side effects, or any result of a bad trip.

summer_breeze
10-28-2010, 09:13 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/29/3051354.htm?section=justin

By Dan Karpenchuk
Posted 9 minutes ago

An Australian family who has spent the last couple of months looking for its missing son in Canada has now filed a complaint with the Local Health Authority about his treatment.

kileyizzle
10-28-2010, 09:50 AM
Holy Heck!

This is the first i've heard of this @ all! I wonder why we never know about people who go missing from Australia - How horrible!

I don't know how the Canadian system works but here CT scans are avoided at all costs - Unless they have sufficent cause to proceed. IMHO i'm guessing they were holding him for observation until he came through.

Do we know why he was seeking treatment for being beaten ?

How do they know he walked away ?

This .... to me anyway sounds extremely suss...

kileyizzle
10-28-2010, 09:51 AM
Well not Australia - but an Australian Citzen goes missing & heard nothing about it...

sherlockh
10-28-2010, 10:51 AM
This article has some more info.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3049113.htm?site=illawarra

dotr
10-28-2010, 11:42 AM
A family from Australia has lodged a formal complaint with the Interior Health Authority over treatment of their son as they continue their search for him after more than 10 weeks.

Owen Rooney was badly beaten and confused when he checked into Kootenay Boundary Regional Hospital in Grand Forks, B.C., Aug. 14, but the 24-year-old walked out of the facility after staying just one night.

The man's parents, Steve and Sharron, left their jobs in Australia and along with two daughters now search full time, staying at a motel in Grand Forks, about 350 kilometres east of Vancouver.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/27/bc-owen-rooney-missing-complaint.html#ixzz13fVr4hAG

dotr
10-28-2010, 01:08 PM
I wonder if Owen was approached by any religious type group or cult and taken in without realizing he is not a "lost soul" just a young man,lost.
Many years ago, while travelling with a group of people,one of our members went missing, after enjoying a late night party.We didn't notice until the morning that he was gone and by late afternoon we started looking for him around the small town, suddenly in the distance, we saw a familiar looking figure , wearing unfamiliar clothing.It was who we were looking for, he sheepishly explained that after the party, he wandered around and somehow just lay down(to sleep off the booze),when he was awoken by kindly strangers, who brought him back to their 'religious retreat", where he was given a bath,fresh clothes and a hot meal.He was encouraged/pressured to stay,but slipped away and found himself stumbling back into town ,confused but apparently, with no aversion to a continued life of partying! A few years later,I learned of a dangerous cult(think cool aid) that was operating in that area (it became headline making news) and I sometimes wonder if that group was the same one who( rescued?) our missing companion.
Anyway, just putting that out there because there are some people, with either good or bad intentions, who may not read the papers ,watch T.V. or go on the net,they may just go out looking for people, who simply "fell down the rabbit hole".

sillybilly
10-28-2010, 03:20 PM
I seriously question who the peeps are that Owen encountered in Christina Lake, and the story they gave about Owen's presence there.

Not long ago, a young person i know was invited by an acquaintance to a rural property they lived at. Turns out the acquaintance was living there temporarily as guardian of a major grow. Next thing, big scarey peeps came to the property, demanding to know who this young stranger was. The kid was scared stiff and was truthful. Long story short, they photographed the kid, got name, addy, phone etc, and advised that if ANYTHING happened at the grow-op, kid was the first person they would come looking for.

kileyizzle
10-28-2010, 07:21 PM
** Bumping **

sherlockh
10-28-2010, 08:23 PM
Owen spends 2 days in the medical tent, then he gets beaten up for trespassing, then he spends one night in the hospital where they just let him walk away. It is a very strange series of events. I agree with the story I linked to above that foul play is not that likely (although you never know). Since he was assaulted for trespassing I don't think it is very likely he was followed and kidnapped from the hospital. I fear that the theory in the article might be true. He went hiking through the forest back home (300 km!). Without his backpack and in his confused state of mind that doesn't sound good, but I really hope he will show up soon. All JMO.

tarabull
10-29-2010, 01:30 AM
This article has some more info.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3049113.htm?site=illawarra


Thanks for this link...IMO we are starting to get a better picture of what may have happened to Owen :(

Snipped from the link sherlockh provided...


The 24-year-old stayed on this summer and headed to the Shambhala Music Festival in British Columbia's south east in August.

His mother, Sharon Rooney, says her son's friends have told her he took a hallucinogenic drug, spent the last two days of the event at a medical tent and missed his ride home.

SHARRON ROONEY: Apparently Owen had taken mushrooms and they really didn't agree with him, put him into a state of paranoia and confusion and that lasted right up until when he was assaulted at Christina Lake which is about four or five days later.

EMILY LAURENCE: In a confused and disoriented state, she says he was assaulted after he trespassed on a private property, suffering bruising to his face and temples and bleeding from the ears.

Police believe he was looking for friends and didn't know where he was.

From there he caught a bus to a hospital at the nearby town of Grand Forks.

Mrs Rooney says she believes the hospital didn't fully monitor her son or realise his state of mind.

SHARON ROONEY: He was virtually left to his own devices and at tea time they noticed that he was eating his dinner outside, and by seven o'clock they noticed that he wasn't there.

EMILY LAURENCE: Despite a number searches and an extensive media campaign there's no clue as to where he's gone.

SHARRON ROONEY: He left behind his full back pack, his jumper, sunglasses, cell phone, so he walked out of there with virtually nothing, maybe he had his wallet, we're not sure.

Been reading up on mushroom induced psychosis - there's plenty on the www from personal posts in forums by & about people forever changed by their mushroom experience(s) to journals & medical research.

For example: EMCDAA thematic papers - Hallucinogenic mushrooms: emerging trend case study - found here: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_31215_EN_TP_Hallucinogenic_mushrooms.pdf

Snipped from page 22 - 23...

Mental Health Risks
Use of hallucinogenic mushrooms is more commonly linked to mental health risks. Although there is no evidence of what proportion of users experience a "bad trip", it is these users who are most likely to contact emergency care systems. In such cases, the intoxicated individuals are usually extremely anxious, severely agitated, confused and disoriented, with impaired concentration and judgement. In serious cases, acute psychotic episodes may occur, including bizarre and frightening images, severe paranoia and total loss of reality, which may lead to accidents, self-injury or suicide attempts. A UK clubbing mag survey conducted in 2005 found that nearly a quarter of those who had used hallucinogenic mushrooms in the last year had experienced a panic attack (Mixmag 2000 - 2005).

A bad trip is usually followed by faintness, sadness and depression, paranoid interpretations, etc... which may persist for days, weeks or even months. Some of these symptoms are likely to be associated with the use of other controlled substances. Intermittent and chronic psychotic states resulting from hallucinogenic mushrooms are possible. In some individuas, use can bring to the surface underlying psychotic or personality disorders. Flashbacks can occur, although less frequently than with LSD....

sillybilly
10-29-2010, 03:18 PM
It is odd that they are now saying Owen caught a bus from Christina Lake to the Grand Forks hospital. What happened to all the info about the LEO driving him from Christina Lake to GF?

Hazel
10-29-2010, 08:08 PM
Holy Heck!

This is the first i've heard of this @ all! I wonder why we never know about people who go missing from Australia - How horrible!

I don't know how the Canadian system works but here CT scans are avoided at all costs - Unless they have sufficent cause to proceed. IMHO i'm guessing they were holding him for observation until he came through.

Do we know why he was seeking treatment for being beaten ?

How do they know he walked away ?

This .... to me anyway sounds extremely suss...
hi kileyizzle!
From what we have learned, seems we was feeling disoriented, and had blood on his ears. Nobody knows why he walked away from the hospital, at first we thought he had been formally discharged from the hospital after one-night stay, but now it appears that he just walked away leaving his backpack and his belongings behind.

There is some discussion going on in the Discussion Forum, you are most welcome to join in :) Here is the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5688018#post5688018

Hazel
10-29-2010, 08:18 PM
Adding a few more news articles that contain lots of information:

Man missing two months; family continues search http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/keremeosreview/news/104817194.html
CHBC News VIDEO: http://www.chbcnews.ca/video/index.html?releasePID=A585ldEp9iL4JO5Y6tWGjpjzvp3P 6UtB


CTV VIDEO CLIP: http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-man/#clip343398


Owen's mom interviewed: http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3049113.htm?site=illawarra

Hazel
10-29-2010, 08:29 PM
It is odd that they are now saying Owen caught a bus from Christina Lake to the Grand Forks hospital. What happened to all the info about the LEO driving him from Christina Lake to GF?

IMO, the following is more accurate:

Owen was picked up by a police officer (who was investigating a suspicious person report), after having been assaulted and they suggested to him that he go the hospital

LE dropped him off at the Grand Forks Greyhound bus station

Owen did board the bus bound for his home in Kelowna, he felt ill and got off the bus and went to the hospital.
snippets taken from post #40: link here


SB, perhaps you could update your TIMELINE now that we have all these new information, pretty please :)

sillybilly
10-30-2010, 04:24 PM
IMO, the following is more accurate:

Owen was picked up by a police officer (who was investigating a suspicious person report), after having been assaulted and they suggested to him that he go the hospital

LE dropped him off at the Grand Forks Greyhound bus station

Owen did board the bus bound for his home in Kelowna, he felt ill and got off the bus and went to the hospital.
snippets taken from post #40: link here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5688018#post5688018)


SB, perhaps you could update your TIMELINE now that we have all these new information, pretty please :)<bbm>

Sorry Hazel, i am not real comfortable doing a timeline right now because a timeline should contain factual information, and, frankly, I don't believe the information provided is entirely accurate or believable.

To be clear, when I use the term LEO in the following, i am referring to the individual, not the entire LE agency.

Since i originally posted that brief chronology early in Owen's case, the information coming out has been fluid (as is natural in cases, but the information is usually more consistent with info initially provided). IMO, the specifics in this case differ too much from the original information that came from the LEO. Two things that have never been disputed since the beginning are that Owen was given a ride by the LEO and that Owen was at the hospital from where he disappeared. Based on the initial information that was made public, combined with the knowledge that people will lie to cover their butts, I am wary of information that is now being provided to Owen's family by the LEO and hospital staff, all of whom were the last known persons Owen had contact with prior to his disappearance.

IMO, one glaring red flag is the LEO going to Christina Lake on a call about a suspicious person. (I am interpreting that to mean that Owen was that suspicion person??)

"He was beaten up at Christina Lake because he was looking for people, so he is wandering into somebody's place and said: "I am looking for my friends" ... and they didn't like it."

There is no indication from whoever "they" are that Owen was acting in an obnoxious or threatening manner ... supposedly, he was simply enquiring after his friends. IF "they" are law-abiding persons who rely on assistance from LE, and called LEO about a suspicion person, why was LEO even necessary after they had beaten the crap out of Owen? Why would they beat him up and then call police, or conversely, why would they call police and then beat him up? Why would they beat Owen up and then make a phone call that could, or should result in "them" being charged with assault? Who are "they" and why did LEO not charge "them" with assault against Owen. It's a criminal offence to beat people just because they show up at your door, let alone showing up at your door simply looking for someone. Who are "they" that are so overly-protective and what is it they are over-protective about, that some small guy looking for his friends takes a severe beating ... and why does it appear that LEO took their side by removing Owen but not charging "them"?

Rehashing here, but ... LEO originally indicated Owen had bruising and seemed ill. Then we find out he had bleeding from the ears. LEO initially claims he dropped Owen at the bus depot, then at the bus depot with a suggestion he go to hospital, then it was he was dropped at the hospital. Initial information from the hospital indicated the Owen was being treated for minor injuries. By the time family met with the hospital on Oct 7, that information morphed into him "acting abnormally and paranoid" which NOW seems to conveniently support the initial information provided by the LEO.

Now we have the statement " there is a suspicion that somebody picked him up". Major statement not backed up by anything further. What is that suspicion based on? Who do they think picked him up, when was he picked up, from where was he picked up, and who advised the family of that suspicion?

IMO, with over 2 months since Owen disappeared, there are too many different versions of things from people/agencies that we should be able to rely on for accurate information ... and maybe too much time for those involved to get their ducks in a row.

I feel this case is going the route of "misadventure" when there are too many red flags to firmly believe in that conclusion.

Shucks Hazel, am just not sure i'm the best person to do a timeline right now ;)

PS: I don't know how Nelson factors in unless the Shambhala venue is midway between Salmo and Nelson.

Hazel
10-30-2010, 08:24 PM
<bbm>

Sorry Hazel, i am not real comfortable doing a timeline right now because a timeline should contain factual information, and, frankly, I don't believe the information provided is entirely accurate or believable.

To be clear, when I use the term LEO in the following, i am referring to the individual, not the entire LE agency.

Since i originally posted that brief chronology early in Owen's case, the information coming out has been fluid (as is natural in cases, but the information is usually more consistent with info initially provided). IMO, the specifics in this case differ too much from the original information that came from the LEO. Two things that have never been disputed since the beginning are that Owen was given a ride by the LEO and that Owen was at the hospital from where he disappeared. Based on the initial information that was made public, combined with the knowledge that people will lie to cover their butts, I am wary of information that is now being provided to Owen's family by the LEO and hospital staff, all of whom were the last known persons Owen had contact with prior to his disappearance.

IMO, one glaring red flag is the LEO going to Christina Lake on a call about a suspicious person. (I am interpreting that to mean that Owen was that suspicion person??)

There is no indication from whoever "they" are that Owen was acting in an obnoxious or threatening manner ... supposedly, he was simply enquiring after his friends. IF "they" are law-abiding persons who rely on assistance from LE, and called LEO about a suspicion person, why was LEO even necessary after they had beaten the crap out of Owen? Why would they beat him up and then call police, or conversely, why would they call police and then beat him up? Why would they beat Owen up and then make a phone call that could, or should result in "them" being charged with assault? Who are "they" and why did LEO not charge "them" with assault against Owen. It's a criminal offence to beat people just because they show up at your door, let alone showing up at your door simply looking for someone. Who are "they" that are so overly-protective and what is it they are over-protective about, that some small guy looking for his friends takes a severe beating ... and why does it appear that LEO took their side by removing Owen but not charging "them"?

Rehashing here, but ... LEO originally indicated Owen had bruising and seemed ill. Then we find out he had bleeding from the ears. LEO initially claims he dropped Owen at the bus depot, then at the bus depot with a suggestion he go to hospital, then it was he was dropped at the hospital. Initial information from the hospital indicated the Owen was being treated for minor injuries. By the time family met with the hospital on Oct 7, that information morphed into him "acting abnormally and paranoid" which NOW seems to conveniently support the initial information provided by the LEO.

Now we have the statement " there is a suspicion that somebody picked him up". Major statement not backed up by anything further. What is that suspicion based on? Who do they think picked him up, when was he picked up, from where was he picked up, and who advised the family of that suspicion?

IMO, with over 2 months since Owen disappeared, there are too many different versions of things from people/agencies that we should be able to rely on for accurate information ... and maybe too much time for those involved to get their ducks in a row.

I feel this case is going the route of "misadventure" when there are too many red flags to firmly believe in that conclusion.

Shucks Hazel, am just not sure i'm the best person to do a timeline right now ;)

PS: I don't know how Nelson factors in unless the Shambhala venue is midway between Salmo and Nelson.
Okay sillybilly, sorry for asking
j.k.

ITA with you RE why there is no mention of who 'they' are that gave Owen that beating, or even if LE knows who 'they' are.

With regards to "investigating a suspicious person report" it never occurred to me that 'they' had called LE re Owen. I might be wrong, but my thoughts when I read about that "suspicious person report" was it was an unrelated event.
IF it turns out the 'suspicious person' was in fact Owen, then IMO it might have been someone else calling LE, but no way that someone would be the ones who gave Owen the beating, JMHO.
As I said, those are just my impressions.

Also my impression was that the LEO found Owen walking along a highway or road when he picked him up, and not that LEO removed Owen from that property. Again, I might be wrong here.

Also, I believe that Owen was not just at their door, more like he had trespassed or forced his way in. No excuse to give him a beating, no matter how obnoxious he was under the effect of those mushrooms or whatever else he might have consumed.

I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for his family trying to get a clear picture of what transpired during those days. With all these conflicting details, the time elapsed, no witnesses seeing him anywhere, no cellphone activity, no one coming forward with pictures where Owen could be seen in the background during the musical festival, it sure seems to be going the "misadventure" route.

I am still wondering if Owen had some kind of travel insurance (medical insurance), and am also wondering if he had an outstanding drug debt, and if someone found out he was leaving the country soon; just food for thought :waitasec:

sillybilly
10-31-2010, 06:32 AM
Okay sillybilly, sorry for asking
j.k.

Just so Hazel doesn't think silly is a slacker ;), here's my best shot at a timeline:

DRAFT TIMELINE as at Oct 30, 2010:

(subject to revision as additional information becomes available and/or corrections are noted)


Aug 6 to 9 - Owen attended the Shambhala Music Festival, held August 6 to 9 2010 at the Salmo River Ranch, a 500 acre ranch that is 6 km east of Salmo, BC off Hwy 3. The ranch is accessible by a 6 km dirt road. Although Owen has no history of drugs or depression, it is reported that Owen did hallucinogenic mushrooms at the festival and spent the last 2 days of the festival in the medical tent on the festival grounds. He was suffering from paranoia and confusion.

Whenever Owen left Shambhala, his family believes he then hitched a ride to Nelson and somehow made his way from Nelson to Grand Forks. It is unknown who may have picked him up, and not clear why Owen would hitchhike north from Salmo to Nelson (on Hwy 6) when the shorter, more direct route from Salmo to Grand Forks would be via Hwy 3 west out of Salmo. Earlier reports indicated that Owen travelled from Nelson to Christina Lake at this time.

Aug 12 - Thursday, Owen was apparently seen having breakfast with a couple at the Yaky Jackie Cafe in Grand Forks. It is said that the female of the couple had her hair in dreadlocks.

Aug 13 - Friday, Owen's family said he was okay the day before he disappeared, so he apparently was not assaulted at least for part of this date

Aug 13 or14 - Friday or Saturday .. Owen ended up at Christina Lake (Note: It is still not clear if he was there before between Aug 9 and 13). Christina Lake is 13.9 mi / 17 mins east of Grand Forks. It is reported that Owen was assaulted in Christina Lake when he arrived at a property, apparently confused and disoriented and looking for his friends. Apparently the property owners did not take kindly to his presence, and he was assaulted.

It is reported that Owen was hitchhiking and was picked up by LEO (who was investigating a suspicious person report in that area, but it is unclear if that report was related to Owen). The LEO said Owen was bruised and appeared ill. It was later reported that Owen had bruising to his face and temples, seemed ill, and was also bleeding from the ears. It was initially reported that LEO dropped Owen at the Grand Forks bus depot and that LEO suggested Owen go the hospital. (Note: Current Greyhound schedules indicate buses leave GF for Kelowna at 11:30 am and 8:40 pm. We don't know if that schedule is the same in August). It was later reported that LEO dropped Owen at the Boundary Hospital in Grand Forks, and then later reported that Owen was dropped at the bus depot and boarded a bus for Kelowna, but felt ill and got off the bus and went to the Boundary Hospital.

Aug 14 - Saturday around 8:00 pm, Owen disappeared from where he had been sitting reading a book, outside at a picnic table on the west side of Grand Forks Hospital where he was being treated. It was reported that he was treated for minor injuries (later, in a meeting with hospital officials on Oct 7, Owen's family were advised he had been acting abnormally and paranoid). Indications are that he had not been formally discharged from the hospital but had checked himself out. He left behind his backpack which contained clothing, sunglasses, and a broken cell phone. It is not known whether his backpack was left at the picnic table or inside the hospital. His wallet and ID were not in the backpack and his bank account has not been accessed since his disappearance.

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ANY ERRORS OR OMISSIONS, PLEASE ADVISE AND THE TIMELINE WILL BE REVISED AND REPOSTED.

Hazel
10-31-2010, 09:01 AM
Just so Hazel doesn't think silly is a slacker ;), here's my best shot at a timeline:

DRAFT TIMELINE as at Oct 30, 2010:

(subject to revision as additional information becomes available and/or corrections are noted)

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ANY ERRORS OR OMISSIONS, PLEASE ADVISE AND THE TIMELINE WILL BE REVISED AND REPOSTED.
Thank you so much SBilly! :blowkiss: Good job!

(now we only need a map :D )
j.k.

dotr
10-31-2010, 11:31 AM
If Owen was sitting reading a book outside the hospital,he must have been feeling better/fine, because otherwise his mind and eyes would not be able to focus on reading.
I wonder if he left his backpack outside to secure his spot while he went inside the hospital to grab a coffee or something. A hospital is a big place,could Owen be mistaken for another patient perhaps in the psychiatric ward ?

tarabull
10-31-2010, 01:00 PM
Shambhala Music Festival Website

http://www.shambhalamusicfestival.com/

sillybilly
10-31-2010, 03:22 PM
Thank you so much SBilly! :blowkiss: Good job!

(now we only need a map :D )
j.k.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz15/sillybillyyyy/mapforhazel.jpg



:)

sillybilly
11-01-2010, 10:41 PM
If Owen was sitting reading a book outside the hospital,he must have been feeling better/fine, because otherwise his mind and eyes would not be able to focus on reading.
I wonder if he left his backpack outside to secure his spot while he went inside the hospital to grab a coffee or something. A hospital is a big place,could Owen be mistaken for another patient perhaps in the psychiatric ward ?

My thoughts as well WRT the book dotr. IMO, it gives the impression of a reasonably relaxed individual.

Re the psych ward ... if there was concern regarding his mental state/health, I believe he would not have been formally discharged by doctors until it was ascertained that he was not a danger to himself or others. IF that had not been determined, how is it that an individual would be able to sign himself out?

sherlockh
11-02-2010, 05:19 AM
I am not exactly the expert on mushroom experiences but from what I read on the internet it can have a big effect for some time afterwards. It is scary to read that people get panic attacks or even sometimes get suicidal days after taking mushrooms. It is not continuously so I think it is very well possible that Owen read a book and then got some sort of panic attack. JMO.

dotr
11-02-2010, 04:44 PM
I just had a flash in my mind of Owen sitting looking at a book and waiting for someone to pick him up.Outside a hospital is not the best place to park, so I can picture O.R getting up a few times to see if the ride has arrived and leaving the backpack behind until he is sure his lift is there .Now what if he was expecting someone to meet him and give him a drive or whatever but they don't give him a chance to grab his backpack because they know he will not need it...

Hazel
11-02-2010, 06:29 PM
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz15/sillybillyyyy/mapforhazel.jpg

:)
I knew I was pushing my luck, LOL :stretch:

nao
11-02-2010, 09:17 PM
I don't understand the vague information.

Was Owen admitted or an out patient at the hospital? If admitted they'll usually ask for someone to pick you up. Either way you can walk away.

Who said he was confused and disoriented? Who beat him up? He was'nt slapped he was beat, that is illegal in Canada. I don't care if he did mushrooms. Have a good sleep and meal you're good to go, he's doing what many young travellers do, actually most.

Why was he parinoid, maybe he was a mule, had a oops, in debt.

He was last seen by a cop and a hospital. I'm not impressed, this is not innercity. Is this a common occurance out there?

I have not seen this story in the Australian news, is the Au consulate involved -they should be. This family needs to start making some noise. JMO MOO

tarabull
11-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Family upset over missing Aussie's treatment
By Dan Karpenchuk
Posted Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:03am AEDT

An Australian family who has spent the last couple of months looking for its missing son in Canada has now filed a complaint with the Local Health Authority about his treatment.

Owen Rooney, 24, checked himself into a hospital in Grand Forks, British Columbia, on August 14 where he was seeking treatment for head injuries after being beaten.

After one night in hospital, he just walked away leaving behind his backpack, wallet and mobile phone.

Since then police have conducted several intense searches through the area.

Mr Rooney's family also joined the search, but they failed to find any sign of him.

Now the family has filed a complaint with the British Columbian Interior Health Authority, saying that Mr Rooney was not properly monitored or given a CT scan.

The family are not giving up the search - four family members have left their jobs in Australia to continue looking for him full-time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/29/3051354.htm?section=justin

Hazel
11-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Family buoyed by support
03 Nov, 2010 11:43 AMThey said the support from the Milton Ulladulla community and from the Grand Forks community in Canada has been overwhelming.

Hundreds of Canadians have volunteered in recent searches and have opened their hearts to the Rooney family.

Following a large search on Saturday, October 23, with more than 70 people taking part, Sharron reached out to thank all those who have supported them.

"The search went well, we had a big turn out and the community here is amazing," Sharron said.

"We had 11 search and rescue teams with volunteers who went out in the rain to search.

"It was overwhelming the care and support of all these people, and they will keep looking regardless.

"They covered a broad area into the bush and along the Canadian walking track and north road."

Kelly echoed her mother's sentiments and extended her thanks to the Milton Ulladulla community.
More: http://www.ulladullatimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/family-buoyed-by-support/1986963.aspx

dotr
11-06-2010, 11:13 AM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/06/15999591.html
, one of two mauled Aussie tourists whose lawsuit against the federal government was dismissed this week, is not a happy camper.

"This decision is very disappointing for us," Brodie said in an e-mail to QMI Agency from his home in Melbourne, Australia.

Brodie said Justice Ged Hawco's decision clearing Banff park wardens of any wrongdoing in the attack has left him with a bitter taste of the Canadian judicial system.

"The whole process has been an arduous and expensive ordeal, which ended up with an unfair decision which didn't attempt to look at the key issues in the case," he wrote.

Brodie said he's grateful to those who assisted him and friend Owen Hereford after their Sept. 25, 1995, mauling, but feels the system let them down.

"It has taken us fifteen years of waiting and putting up with questionable legal tactics of the defence and the antiquated Canadian legal system in order to get our case heard," he said.


Brodie and Hereford were tenting in a Lake Louise campground when a grizzly tore apart their tent and attacked them, leaving both seriously injured, before going after four other campers.

luckyducky
11-06-2010, 02:29 PM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/06/15999591.html
, one of two mauled Aussie tourists whose lawsuit against the federal government was dismissed this week, is not a happy camper.

"This decision is very disappointing for us," Brodie said in an e-mail to QMI Agency from his home in Melbourne, Australia.

Brodie said Justice Ged Hawco's decision clearing Banff park wardens of any wrongdoing in the attack has left him with a bitter taste of the Canadian judicial system.

"The whole process has been an arduous and expensive ordeal, which ended up with an unfair decision which didn't attempt to look at the key issues in the case," he wrote. Brodie said he's grateful to those who assisted him and friend Owen Hereford after their Sept. 25, 1995, mauling, but feels the system let them down.

"It has taken us fifteen years of waiting and putting up with questionable legal tactics of the defence and the antiquated Canadian legal system in order to get our case heard," he said.


Brodie and Hereford were tenting in a Lake Louise campground when a grizzly tore apart their tent and attacked them, leaving both seriously injured, before going after four other campers.
Ridiculous lawsuit IMO - I do hope that this isn't the fate that Owen Rooney faced.

summer_breeze
11-06-2010, 04:51 PM
http://www.find-owen.com/

Hazel
11-07-2010, 12:11 AM
RCMP create video of missing Aussie
by Castanet Staff - Story: 57859
Nov 1, 2010 / 5:00 am

<<< snippets >>>

The video, produced by the RCMP E-Division Strategic Communications, re-traces Owen Rooney's last known whereabouts in the Grand Forks area.


It will also include interviews with Grand Forks community members and members of Rooney's family.


The video is set to be released on Monday, November 1, says Moskaluk.


He had been hitchhiking back to Kelowna from the Shambhala Music Festival in Salmo.


Moskaluk says Rooney's troubles may have begun at the festival, where he ingested psilocybin mushrooms.


"It was noted by his friends that this caused Owen a certain degree of paranoia and that he appeared a little confused. He did seek medical attention at the medical tent during that festival."


While hitchhiking home after the festival on August 13, Rooney was found trespassing on a Christina Lake property.


Moskaluk says Rooney repeatedly insisted his friends were on the property, and that the property owner then removed him by force.


Punches were thrown in the ensuing altercation, and Rooney was struck in the face.


A short time later, an RCMP officer spotted Rooney wandering along Highway 3 with two black eyes and bleeding from his ears.


He was taken to Grand Forks hospital, where he spent the night.


At 8 p.m. the next day, he vanished.

read more: http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/57859/RCMP-create-video-of-missing-Aussie

Hazel
11-07-2010, 12:27 AM
http://www.castanet.net/content/1288299378sh2.jpg
Owen Rooney

Video: Search for Owen Rooney
by Kelly Hayes - Story: 57090
Sep 24, 2010 / 8:00 am

link to old video: http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/57090/Video-Search-for-Owen-Rooney

another link to same old video: http://watch2video.net/owen-rooney-missing-video-JgyS5_3NWvH.html

ETA: (am still looking for that new RCMP video, but no luck, maybe it hasn't been released yet? In the article - post above - it says it will be release Nov. 1st.)

Hazel
11-07-2010, 12:52 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TMz2OXLOBzI/AAAAAAAAE20/f7tgzOd-wLA/S1600-R/header.pngWe are desparately searching for our son, who disappeared from the hospital in Grand Forks, BC, on August 14, 2010. He has an Australian accent and was last seen wearing a dark shirt and shorts.

We are asking for your help in the search. If we can use this blog to inform each other of the places we have searched, that will hopefully prevent a duplication of efforts.

Do you have any further ideas? Enter any info by clicking a Comments link below. Thanks!!

----> http://www.find-owen.com/ <---

Contact RCMP: 250-442-8288 or Kelly Rooney: 778-686-3534 or Crimestoppers: 1-800-222-8477.

sillybilly
11-07-2010, 03:36 PM
Interesting that the RCMP spokesperson makes reference to having received a few Crimestoppers tips. I wonder if those tipsters are people who just don't wish to get overly involved, or are actually from peeps who don't wish their identities known because they have more personal knowledge.

Hazel
11-10-2010, 12:28 AM
RCMP release Owen Kiernan Rooney video
Updated: November 09, 2010 4:49 PMAustralian man Owen Kiernan Rooney is still missing and RCMP have put together a video, which re-traces his last known steps.

The video also includes a plea from parents Sharron and Steve for more information on Rooney's disappearance.

RCMP VIDEO: http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/grandforksgazette/news/107000273.html

Hazel
11-10-2010, 12:30 AM
RCMP release Owen Kiernan Rooney video
Updated: November 09, 2010 4:49 PM
Australian man Owen Kiernan Rooney is still missing and RCMP have put together a video, which re-traces his last known steps.

The video also includes a plea from parents Sharron and Steve for more information on Rooney's disappearance.
RCMP VIDEO: http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/grandforksgazette/news/107000273.html

sillybilly
11-10-2010, 01:32 AM
Search for missing Australian turns from B.C. to Alberta
By Sherri Zickefoose, Calgary Herald - November 9, 2010 9:03 PM

....

Before he went missing, Rooney sent several texts to a girlfriend in Grande Prairie, Alta.

Sharron wonders if Owen has hitchhiked to Alberta.

"His focus may have been to get to her," said Sharron.

"He had contacted me two days before and was ready to come home," she said, adding that he had not purchased an airplane ticket. His paycheque from working as a Kelowna pub cook remains uncashed.

....

full article at:
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Search+missing+Australian+turns+from+Alberta/3803614/story.html

Hazel
11-10-2010, 02:48 AM
Some new bits and pieces in following article:
'We have to find him': case of missing Owen Rooney baffles police
November 10, 2010 - 1:40PMThe Rooneys this week filed a complaint with Canadian health authorities about the circumstances under which their son was released from Kootenay Boundary Hospital, according to Canadian media reports.

Mrs Rooney told The Globe and Mail newspaper there were "lots of questions about what the hospital did and didn't do".

"He was only two hours away from Kelowna [where he lived], where he was living and had friends and support network," Mrs Rooney said.

"I don't know why they wouldn't have had a social worker come take him home."Canadian police say one of their officers was called to Christina Lake, a small town about 20 kilometres east of Grand Forks, where a man was "acting suspiciously".

"The male was identified as Owen Rooney, of Australia, and it appeared that he had been in a fight," Corporal Richard Lanz says in the video.A statement from Canada's Interior Health Authority, responding to the Rooneys' complaint, said Mr Rooney had been kept overnight for observation, the Globe and Mail reported.

The Kootenay Boundary health region's director of acute care, Ingrid Hampf, said patients were not restricted to their rooms.

"They can go outside or to the cafeteria; they can leave the property," Ms Hampf said.

"Owen did go outside a number of times on that summer day and did come back inside. While we can recommend a patient stay at our site for observation, we can't prevent a patient from leaving our facility – at times patients do leave prior to discharge; while not preferred, they are free to do so.

"There are only exceptional circumstances where the hospital and physicians can intervene, and that is, for example, if a patient has been committed under the Mental Health Act. That was not the case here."
http://www.smh.com.au/world/we-have-to-find-him-case-of-missing-owen-rooney-baffles-police-20101110-17mzh.html

We had been wondering if it was Owen the person acting 'suspiciously' at Christina lake, now that has been confirmed in that video.

First time I heard that Owen's passport was not found among his belongings, and has not been recovered by authorities. Wouldn't he have been asked to produce some kind of identification at the hospital? Could he have lost it during the assault/fight at Christina Lake? Could he still have his passport with him?

I have never heard of a social worker taking a patient home, maybe that is something they do in Australia?

Where could Owen be? Lost in the wilderness? :( It's been 3 months :(

sherlockh
11-10-2010, 03:40 AM
His passport was left behind in his apartment.

summer_breeze
11-10-2010, 06:20 PM
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/ferniefreepress/news/107001793.html

By Rebecca Edwards - The Free Press
Published: November 10, 2010 3:00 PM

An Australian man who has been missing since August could have been hitchhiking along Highway 3 to Alberta, it has emerged.

Hazel
11-11-2010, 12:30 AM
His passport was left behind in his apartment.
That is what we have learned from original statements, but on one of the latest videos
recently released, they are saying differently, unless they got it wrong this time around.
Sheflockh: do you know for sure Owen's passport was found in his apartment?

here is the link again to that video ... listen around the 1:03 mark:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/we-have-to-find-him-case-of-missing-owen-rooney-baffles-police-20101110-17mzh.html

Hazel
11-11-2010, 12:40 AM
Hunt for missing man turns east
According to the RCMP, his wallet and ID papers were not in the backpack and have not been located either.
He was given morphine in hospital and was also experiencing side-effects from using magic mushrooms for the first time a few days earlier at Shambalah Music Festival in Salmo.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/ferniefreepress/news/107001793.html

sherlockh
11-11-2010, 02:57 AM
Yah, that is strange. I remember at first they thought his passport was missing, then later they found it in his apartment as reported for example here:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7960303/missing-nsw-man-in-canada-remains-a-mystery

And now they say it is missing again? Maybe some other id papers are missing and the reporter is confused with his passport? I don't know.

Hazel
11-11-2010, 08:08 PM
Owen Rooney's parents release photos of his tattoos
Wed Nov 10 09:00:00 PST 2010

After meeting with the family of Owen Kiernan Rooney yesterday, his parents have released photos of his tattoos in hopes of furthering the investigation and finally locating him.

The tattoo with the triangle and the words
"Australian Made" underneath, is located
on the outside of Owen's right calf
It has been described as the size of the bottom of a coffee mug.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TNwuh0OYVCI/AAAAAAAAE6g/k8XQ-II31Go/s1600/tattoo2.jpg

The other tattoo with a circle is located
on his left shoulder blade
about 3 inches across
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TNwudfBVC3I/AAAAAAAAE6c/w-I1DaBnqBY/s1600/tattoo1.jpg (http://bc.rcmp.ca/digitalAssets/23/23154_owen_tattoo_shoulder_2.JPG)

http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=50&languageId=1&contentId=17482

source for images: http://www.find-owen.com/2010/11/owens-has-two-tattoos.html

Hazel
11-11-2010, 08:08 PM
Owen Rooney's parents release photos of his tattoos
Wed Nov 10 09:00:00 PST 2010

After meeting with the family of Owen Kiernan Rooney yesterday, his parents have released photos of his tattoos in hopes of furthering the investigation and finally locating him.

The tattoo with the triangle and the words
"Australian Made" underneath, is located
on the outside of Owen's right calf
It has been described as the size of the bottom of a coffee mug.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TNwuh0OYVCI/AAAAAAAAE6g/k8XQ-II31Go/s1600/tattoo2.jpg

The other tattoo with a circle is located
on his left shoulder blade
about 3 inches across
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TNwudfBVC3I/AAAAAAAAE6c/w-I1DaBnqBY/s1600/tattoo1.jpg (http://bc.rcmp.ca/digitalAssets/23/23154_owen_tattoo_shoulder_2.JPG)

http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=50&languageId=1&contentId=17482

source for images: http://www.find-owen.com/2010/11/owens-has-two-tattoos.html

dotr
11-14-2010, 01:32 PM
A father and daughter out for a stroll on a Surrey, B.C., trail stumbled upon charred human remains, say Mounties.

The RCMP homicide team is investigating the find, discovered Saturday in a ravine.

The gender and cause of death has not yet been determined.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/14/16136176.html
An autopsy will be conducted early this week.

Police are asking the public to come forward with any information.

Hazel
11-14-2010, 02:11 PM
A father and daughter out for a stroll on a Surrey, B.C., trail stumbled upon charred human remains, say Mounties.

The RCMP homicide team is investigating the find, discovered Saturday in a ravine.

The gender and cause of death has not yet been determined.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/14/16136176.html
An autopsy will be conducted early this week.

Police are asking the public to come forward with any information.
Thanks dotr, though IMO Surrey is too far away:
Surrey is about six hours drive from Kelowna (Owen's intended destination) and
06:48 hours from the Grand Forks Hospital

Looking at the map, I noticed that Bowen Island is much closer to Surrey - north west - (thinking of Jodi H. :( )

MAP: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Christina+Lake,+British+Columbia+(beaten)&daddr=Grand+Forks,+British+Columbia+(Hospital)+to: Kelowna,+British+Columbia+(destination)+to:Surrey, +BC+(charred+remains+found)&geocode=FXBW7AIds0j0-CmrRrEA6bZiUzHxAfEKbT5CNg%3BFXMp7AIdQ63w-CkDsMz-t61iUzFUszZ6SfR9WA%3BFWkb-QId51fh-CmzMMfjtox9UzH3xLTaPeX4Tg%3BFelL7QIdTMut-Clbpz9NA9yFVDHgmNWrmEiL0g&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=48.850258,-114.631348&sspn=2.219446,5.817261&ie=UTF8&ll=49.589349,-120.827637&spn=2.090279,5.817261&z=8

Leyend:

[ A ] Christina Lake, British Columbia (where Owen was beaten)
[ B ] Grand Forks, British Columbia (where Owen was last seen - Hospital)
[ C ] Kelowna, British Columbia (Owen's destination - home)
[ D ] Surrey, BC (unidentified charred remains found)

dotr
11-14-2010, 02:29 PM
Hazel, you are one organized efficient person!
who is the missing person that you are referring to?Just in case this applies to that situation, I will add this link which has a tad more info.
Charred body found in North Surrey
SURREY/CKNW(AM980)
http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1311304
11/14/2010


The RCMP's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team is unable to determine if a body found in a North Surrey neighborhood Saturday afternoon is a man or a woman because it was so badly burned.

Cpl. Dale Carr says the site under some high-tension towers along a BC Hydro right-of-way at 138th Street and Kenmore Drive is secured, "There's a number of points that we have covered off and will remain covered off while we conduct our crime scene investigation. The trails in that area will not be in use and people will be turned away."

He says the body will remain in place until investigators have been able to more accurately look over the scene.

Carr says the sex will likely have to be determined through an autopsy, which won't occur until at least Monday.

The remains were found by a man out for a walk with his daughter over the noon hour.

Hazel
11-14-2010, 02:50 PM
Hazel, you are one organized efficient person!
who is the missing person that you are referring to?Just in case this applies to that situation, I will add this link which has a tad more info.
Charred body found in North Surrey
SURREY/CKNW(AM980)
http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1311304
11/14/2010


The RCMP's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team is unable to determine if a body found in a North Surrey neighborhood Saturday afternoon is a man or a woman because it was so badly burned.

Cpl. Dale Carr says the site under some high-tension towers along a BC Hydro right-of-way at 138th Street and Kenmore Drive is secured, "There's a number of points that we have covered off and will remain covered off while we conduct our crime scene investigation. The trails in that area will not be in use and people will be turned away."

He says the body will remain in place until investigators have been able to more accurately look over the scene.

Carr says the sex will likely have to be determined through an autopsy, which won't occur until at least Monday.

The remains were found by a man out for a walk with his daughter over the noon hour.
lol dotr :blushing:

From that new link you just posted, it appears it is a recent event, so I'm no longer thinking it could be Jodi Henrickson (17 years old). She was last seen June 20, 2009 (more than a year ago).
Here is the link to her thread, if you want to read about her disappearance from Bowen Island

Jodi's thread #1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85854

Valleyboy
11-14-2010, 02:51 PM
Surrey is up near the top of the list of murders in Canada.

This is the case that Hazel is refering to.

CANADA Canada - Jodi Henrickson, 17, Bowen Island British Columbia, 20 June 2009 - Part 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

redsky
11-14-2010, 03:07 PM
I hope Owen is found soon - it seems he has a great family who will never give up on him. Thank you to everyone for all of the work - it has helped me to get a better picture of what may have happened.

Hazel
11-14-2010, 03:36 PM
Police are investigating after a charred body was found near a well-used path in Surrey

VIDEO : http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?category=News&clipid=1644062023

Article (and comments) : http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/14/bc-surrey-body-charred.html

dotr
11-17-2010, 12:31 PM
So far,I have not spotted an update on that charred body found a few days ago,has anyone heard anything?
Owen,where on earth are you?!

nao
11-17-2010, 01:24 PM
www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/16/bc-owen-rooney-search-stanley-park.html

Owens family is checking Stanley Park, which is downtown Vancouver. Big park, parts are heavily forested. There are lots of homeless and transients in Vancouver and surrounding areas because basicly its the only place in Canada that has a temperate climate.
Have'nt seen anything about the body in Surrey. Surrey used to be rural, still alot of rundown cottage type homes (cheap rent) but its a suburb of Vancouver in reality. Its a pretty rough and ready area. Finding a body there does'nt raise alot of eyebrows.

nao
11-17-2010, 01:36 PM
www.theprovince.com/news/Mystery+surrounds+burnt+body+found+Surrey+ravine/3832536/story.html

Autopsy results will be ready soon i hope. I think you can get skytrain rapid transit(subway in the sky) to Surrey from Vancouver.

dotr
11-17-2010, 09:07 PM
www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/16/bc-owen-rooney-search-stanley-park.html

Owens family is checking Stanley Park, which is downtown Vancouver. Big park, parts are heavily forested. There are lots of homeless and transients in Vancouver and surrounding areas because basicly its the only place in Canada that has a temperate climate.
Have'nt seen anything about the body in Surrey. Surrey used to be rural, still alot of rundown cottage type homes (cheap rent) but its a suburb of Vancouver in reality. Its a pretty rough and ready area. Finding a body there does'nt raise alot of eyebrows.

From your link above,this sounds like the most promising news so far..


After receiving a tip, they walked the trails of Stanley Park, hoping Owen, 24, might be living there. The densely wooded park is occupied by dozens of the city's homeless.

"We did get a phone call last week," said Sharon Rooney. "A woman in Vancouver, identifying a person with Owen's description and Australian accent she saw the clip on the news. It's not concrete, it's just a glimmer. Up till now, there has been nothing."



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/16/bc-owen-rooney-search-stanley-park.html#ixzz15azTJtYT

summer_breeze
11-19-2010, 08:09 AM
http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/local/article/695375

J.J. MCCULLOUGH
METRO VANCOUVER
Published: November 18, 2010 5:37 a.m.
Last modified: November 18, 2010 12:41 a.m.

Refusing to surrender even after months of fruitless searching, an Australian couple is continuing their quest to locate their missing son, who vanished during a working holiday in British Columbia more than 12 weeks ago.

Hazel
11-24-2010, 12:08 PM
For Those of You Who Would Like to Help
We have a poster with Owen's picture on it. If you would like to print it out and distribute it to places like soup kitchens, shelters, Greyhound Bus Depots, gas stations, shop windows and any other places you can think of, we would VERY much appreciate it. Also, long distance trucking companies, in case a driver has picked him up when he was hitch-hiking.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TN8SB-qK2hI/AAAAAAAAE6w/vDy-VVB8t6g/s1600/owenpdf.jpg (http://www.greenthumbdesign.ca/owens%20new%20poster_nov.pdf)
Either click on the poster or click here (http://www.greenthumbdesign.ca/owens%20new%20poster_nov.pdf) to go to a PDF copy of the poster.

Then click File > Save a copy and then you can print it.

OR

Under the File menu you can simply click Print.

If you could tell us here, in the Comments box (link here) ([URL="http://www.find-owen.com/2010/11/for-those-of-you-who-would-like-to-help.html), where you have put up posters that will be very useful to others who are also distributing the posters.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
the Find Owen Rooney site


http://www.find-owen.com/2010/11/for-those-of-you-who-would-like-to-help.html

Hazel
11-24-2010, 12:34 PM
For Those of You Who Would Like to Help
We have a poster with Owen's picture on it. If you would like to print it out and distribute it to places like soup kitchens, shelters, Greyhound Bus Depots, gas stations, shop windows and any other places you can think of, we would VERY much appreciate it. Also, long distance trucking companies, in case a driver has picked him up when he was hitch-hiking. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cOz8F_0VX2o/TN8SB-qK2hI/AAAAAAAAE6w/vDy-VVB8t6g/s1600/owenpdf.jpg
Information on how to print the poster and more at link below:

http://www.find-owen.com/2010/11/for-those-of-you-who-would-like-to-help.html

dotr
11-24-2010, 04:34 PM
Surrey is up near the top of the list of murders in Canada.

This is the case that Hazel is refering to.

CANADA Canada - Jodi Henrickson, 17, Bowen Island British Columbia, 20 June 2009 - Part 2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118679)

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/24/16296296.html
RCMP say the charred remains found in a Surrey, B.C., ravine earlier this month belong to a missing woman.

The family of Tara Lynn Westgarde, 34, of Surrey, last saw her alive on the morning of Nov. 11. A man walking on a trail with his daughter found the remains at 12:40 p.m. on Nov. 13.

Police said the remains had been burned beyond recognition.

Westgarde was known to police in various communities in the province for her involvement in drugs, property crimes and fraud. She was also known to occasionally use the last name Fedorick and the first name Tiara, police said.

"Investigators are of the belief that this incident was not a random act," RCMP said in a release.

Police released a photo of Westgarde "in hopes that someone will be able to provide us information to tighten the timeline from when she was last seen to her discovery, Cpl. Dale Carr said.
R.I.P.

summer_breeze
11-25-2010, 05:50 PM
http://www.theprovince.com/Missing+Australian+reportedly+spotted+Nanaimo/3884905/story.html

By Staff reporter, The Province November 25, 2010 2:22 PM

RCMP say the search for missing Australian man Owen Rooney has been extended to Vancouver Island after a possible sighting earlier this month in Nanaimo.

The citing was Nov. 5 but was not reported to police until one week later.

luckyducky
11-25-2010, 07:48 PM
Missing Australian man reportedly spotted in Nanaimo http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/news/story.html?id=3884905
RCMP say the search for missing Australian man Owen Rooney has been extended to Vancouver Island after a possible sighting earlier this month in Nanaimo.

Danaya
11-25-2010, 07:51 PM
Hope so!

sherlockh
11-25-2010, 08:06 PM
Here is a bit more info on the sighting:

http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/58512/Kelowna-tourist-spotted-in-Nanaimo

"Police have now received a tip from a woman in Nanaimo who says Rooney bore a resemblance to one of three men who knocked on her door on November 5 selling dream catchers.

The woman says she never spoke directly to Rooney who was standing off to the side.

She says she spoke with a man with a Jamaican accent who was wearing his hair in dreadlocks."

The sighting was already 3 weeks ago so it seems strange that nobody else saw these men if they were selling door to door. Also this article says the woman never spoke to Rooney, and the other article (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/16/bc-owen-rooney-search-stanley-park.html) says she identified his Australian accent. Maybe she just heard him talk. Hoping for some good news soon!

dotr
11-26-2010, 11:11 AM
This is hopeful news,but how strange that dreamcatchers also featured in the missing Mariam Makhniashvili case!

summer_breeze
11-26-2010, 12:37 PM
http://www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_south/victorianews/news/110848254.html

Published: November 26, 2010 9:00 AM
Updated: November 26, 2010 9:02 AM

Owen Rooney, a 24 year old Australian who disappeared from the Grand Forks Hospital on Aug. 14, may be in Victoria.

sillybilly
11-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Saanich police said people in Parksville, Nanaimo and Saanich reported seeing Rooney earlier this month. In at least two of the sightings, Rooney was seen selling dream-catchers door-to-door with other men.

Sgt. Dean Jantzen said the Saanich sighting is credible because the person reported having direct contact with Rooney.

bbm


from:
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2010/11/26/bc-owen-rooney-search-vancouver.html


Interesting that 2 sightings in 2 different communities related to dream-catchers. I agree dotr that this is very, very curious.

Here's hoping it really is Owen :crossfingers:

summer_breeze
11-26-2010, 04:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2010/11/26/bc-owen-rooney-search-vancouver.html

Last Updated: Friday, November 26, 2010 | 3:04 PM ET CBC News

Police in Saanich say there have been three credible sightings of a missing Australian man on Vancouver Island this month.

<snipped>
In at least two of the sightings, Rooney was seen selling dream-catchers door-to-door with other men.

sherlockh
11-26-2010, 09:17 PM
Thanks. The article says there were 3 sightings and one had direct contact with Owen. That is probably the one that recognized the accent. One of the sellers had a Jamaican accent and had his hair in dreadlocks. Owen was seen eating with a couple before (Aug 12) where the girl had dreadlocks. Not sure if that could be a connection. Maybe he met up with a group of people traveling and selling stuff? Still a long shot though but you never know.

In Mariam's case she was also sighted with a group selling dream catchers. However it was reported that this sighting turned out to be false as the group was tracked and seems to have been a group of young Europeans traveling Canada.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/one-year-later-missing-mariams-family-looking-for-answers/article1704272/

I do wonder how two apparently different groups come up with the same idea of something so specific as selling dream catchers door to door. Strange.

sillybilly
11-28-2010, 01:59 PM
... four people on Vancouver Island believe they've seen Owen Rooney ...

... She said the man told her he was travelling for "a cultural experience" and trying to save money ...


from:
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101126/bc_owen_dream_catchers_101126/20101126?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Cazzie
11-28-2010, 02:26 PM
I've only skimmed this thread. With a head injury (that we still don't know who/what caused it), isn't it possible that Owen has amnesia? If he was the type to keep in touch with family and friends, and if he hasn't contacted them since leaving the hospital, I think so.

Also, people he may have fallen in with may have been taking advantage of him, given him a different name (or he himself may have done that).

Wish some of these people spotting him would take a photo, talk to him, and call LE right away!

Hazel
11-30-2010, 08:19 AM
Published: November 30, 2010 1:00 AM

An Australian band has joined in on the search for the twenty-four year old Australian man, Owen Rooney who has been missing since mid-August.

Firetree is touring across Canada and saw pictures of Owen posted around Vancouver where they were presently playing.

Then, in a chance encounter, met some of Owens family at a Vancouver night club.

As fellow Australians, the Firetree band members decided to use their exposure to large crowds during their performances to raise awareness about their missing countryman.

They have been holding up a large poster of Owen between songs and asking the public for help to find him.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/similkameenspotlight/news/111022619.html (http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/similkameenspotlight/news/111022619.html)

Hazel
11-30-2010, 08:22 AM
:( From same article:

As the Rooney family hunts for Owen, their lives sit on hold. Both Sharron and Steve say they are not ready to give up nor are Owens sisters.

We cant leave Owen here for Christmas. Its too hard, said sister Bree Rooney during a recent interview with CBC.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/similkameenspotlight/news/111022619.html ([I]http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/similkameenspotlight/news/111022619.html)

Danaya
11-30-2010, 09:22 AM
I pray Owen comes home soon to his loving family!!

dotr
12-03-2010, 04:34 PM
I posted this link in the MM thread,but it might also be relevant here.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/
Friday, Dec. 3 at 9 p.m.
Presumed Dead
Were they murdered? Abducted? Or are they living new lives? Reporters Linden MacIntyre, Hana Gartner and Gillian Findlay track the trails of three Canadians who disappeared without a trace.

luckyducky
12-10-2010, 01:30 PM
BUMPING for Owen - this from this morning's newspaper - so sad for his family. I hope he is out there somewhere with a memory loss. It doesn't sound like he would just walk away from his family.
Woman wants her brother home



Australian man has been missing since August; search efforts reach http://www.canada.com/Woman+wants+brother+home/3956946/story.html

Hazel
12-10-2010, 02:02 PM
Thanks luckyducky. From your link:Rooney was being treated for black eyes and facial bruising. He disappeared before he was formally discharged.

dotr
12-10-2010, 05:45 PM
I wonder if that description of Owen with facial bruises is out there, as that would have made him stand out more from other similiar looking young men.

Hazel
12-11-2010, 08:48 AM
I wonder if that description of Owen with facial bruises is out there, as that would have made him stand out more from other similiar looking young men.

When he first went missing, there was mention of facial bruising and two black eyes, as well as bleeding from the ears.

After almost 4 months, my guess is there wont be any bruising now, but that is JMHO.

If someone has any ideas or suggestions for searches, posters ... anything at all, there is a link for "Suggestions" in the Find Owen Rooney site, which was created by Owen's family - here is the link:

Suggestions (you need to scroll down a bit): http://www.find-owen.com/search/label/Suggestions

Hazel
12-11-2010, 08:59 AM
Kelly Rooney (Owen's sister) posted yesterday the following "A" News Vancouver Island link on Owen's Facebook group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmbHmsQCKko

"Seeking Owen" VIDEO on "A" News Vancouver Island You Tube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/ANewsVanIsland#p/u/2/GmbHmsQCKko

HELP FIND OWEN ROONEY Facebook group (Wall): http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

summer_breeze
12-11-2010, 04:44 PM
http://www.am770chqr.com/News/Local/Story.aspx?ID=1325802

2:29pm
_QR77 Newsroom
12/11/2010

A 24 year old Australian man missing since August may be on his way to Calgary or Edmonton.

Hazel
12-12-2010, 09:50 AM
Missing Aussie may be in Alberta
2:29pm - 12/11/2010

His mother, Sharron Rooney, says he may have been seen in Alberta. "There have been unconfirmed sightings of him in Grande Prairie. He may be heading to Edmonton or Calgary with a group of people. They are selling suncatchers."
http://www.am770chqr.com/News/Local/Story.aspx?ID=1325802

other news: http://www.am770chqr.com/News/Local/Index.aspx?pn=1

Here hoping and praying this sighting is the one, and that Owie will be home for Christmas!!

luckyducky
12-12-2010, 12:10 PM
I have never heard of people going door to door selling suncatchers. :waitasec: I have asked around to friends as well as my son and daugher who are 19 and 21 and not one person I know has either.

Hazel
12-12-2010, 12:27 PM
I have never heard of people going door to door selling suncatchers. :waitasec: I have asked around to friends as well as my son and daugher who are 19 and 21 and not one person I know has either.
You are right luckyducky; it DOES say 'suncatchers" right? Those are usually made of glass (stained glass?) so would be too heavy to carry around ... previous sightings said "dreamcatchers" (same as in Mariam M's case), :waitasec: so I wonder if it's a mistake.

Those inks I posted are not working for me now; when googling, I see other radio station sites are also saying "suncatchers"

Odd, other links are not working neither, here are a couple in cache version:

- CJOB-68 Edmonton: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lrAEVbfmrPIJ:www.cjob.com/Channels/News/Edmonton/home.aspx+He+may+be+heading+to+Edmonton+or+Calgary +with+a+group+of+people.+They+are+selling+suncatch ers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

- CKNW AM980 Calgary: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:k3z5mFGH3E0J:www.cknw.com/Channels/News/Calgary/home.aspx+He+may+be+heading+to+Edmonton+or+Calgary +with+a+group+of+people.+They+are+selling+suncatch ers&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

ETA: the AM770 link is working now, go figure! lol

ETA2: Owen's mom (Sharron) just posted the same news (different link) in the HELP FIND OWEN ROONEY Facebook Wall: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

dotr
12-12-2010, 09:12 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/after-months-of-searching-family-finds-woman-in-philly-hospital/19757351
After Months of Searching, Family Finds Woman in Philly HospitalUpdated: 1 hour 18 minutes ago

The family, Meehan said, had been trying to find her since she disappeared on the evening of Aug. 13, when she went into cardiac arrest on a bench at Harrowgate Park, a square block of grass with a playground and benches.

She was taken to the nearby Aria Health-Frankford Campus, but since a normal heartbeat was not restored until 45 minutes after paramedics arrived and it was not clear how long her brain was deprived of oxygen, she was transferred to the Penn hospital, the Inquirer reported.


Could Owen be very sick and unrecognizable in a medical facility, in another community?

sillybilly
12-13-2010, 09:15 PM
Could Owen be very sick and unrecognizable in a medical facility, in another community?<snip>

If he had no ID and didn't know who he was, I think LE would have been appealing to the public to find out who he was.

luckyducky
12-13-2010, 09:56 PM
Man seen in Alta. not missing Australian. The family of Owen Rooney, an Australian man who went missing four months ago after suffering a brain injury, hit another dead end Monday when police said a man spotted in Grande Prairie, Alta. was not Rooney.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/13/edmonton-rooney-grande-prairie.html#ixzz183DqwZMA

sillybilly
12-14-2010, 12:41 AM
This is all so strange that it's almost too coincidental to rule out.

Two missing persons is bad enough, but the fact they disappeared 2500 miles apart, coupled with the odd activity of both possibly selling dreamcatchers in Western Canada. Then 3 sightings on Vancouver Island of a person matching Owen's description selling dreamcatchers, then a similar sighting is made of Owen 800 miles away in Grande Prairie, AB .. which is one of the three towns where Mariam was reportedly seen selling dreamcatchers (subsequently ruled out as being Mariam).

sillybilly
12-14-2010, 03:16 AM
Too late to edit my above post ... add to the above the additional coincidence that BOTH Owen and Mariam are new to our country.

lisser
12-15-2010, 11:23 PM
I came across this article online today. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2013685655_body_of_unidentified_man_washe.html

I sent an email to the LE office with Owen's website, just in case. I hope it's not him.

summer_breeze
12-16-2010, 06:14 AM
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2889524

By DAMIEN WOOD Herald-Tribune staff
Updated 1 day ago

Hopes that reports of an Australian selling aboriginal dream catchers in Grande Prairie last week could be a 24-year old missing man were shattered Monday.

RCMP confirmed the door-to-door salesman, whom they caught up with in Fairview, was not Australian Owen Rooney, who went missing from Grand Forks, B.C., Aug. 14.

lisser
12-16-2010, 03:43 PM
I came across this article online today. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2013685655_body_of_unidentified_man_washe.html

I sent an email to the LE office with Owen's website, just in case. I hope it's not him.

I received an email back from the LEO. The UID is believed to be significantly older than Owen, and is not thought to be him.

luckyducky
12-16-2010, 04:10 PM
Where the heck is Owen???
GP RCMP continue search for missing Australian man. A missing Australian man is still believed to be in the Grande Prairie area.
Grande Prairie RCMP say they are still trying to locate Owen Rooney who went missing from a hospital in Grand Forks, B.C. on Aug. 14. http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/12/16/10/gp-rcmp-continue-search-missing-australian-man

dotr
12-17-2010, 01:46 PM
Where the heck is Owen???
GP RCMP continue search for missing Australian man. A missing Australian man is still believed to be in the Grande Prairie area.
Grande Prairie RCMP say they are still trying to locate Owen Rooney who went missing from a hospital in Grand Forks, B.C. on Aug. 14. http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/12/16/10/gp-rcmp-continue-search-missing-australian-man
From luckyducky's link.
"He also has a distinct Australian accent which police say they believe people might confuse with a British accent."

I hope that does not confuse any one further, as a British accent could mean a person sounds either Scottish,Irish,Welsh and in this case, I believe they intended it to mean an English sounding, accent.

Hazel
12-17-2010, 02:16 PM
From luckyducky's link.
"He also has a distinct Australian accent which police say they believe people might confuse with a British accent."

I hope that does not confuse any one further, as a British accent could mean a person sounds either Scottish,Irish,Welsh and in this case, I believe they intended it to mean an English sounding, accent.
I see what you mean dotr :( I also noticed that in luckyduck's link they mention "wind chimes" (originally it was said dreamcatchers, then suncatchers, now wind chimes).The 24 year-old had gone missing from the Grand Forks hospital and is believed to be with a group selling wind chimes.

http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/12/16/10/gp-rcmp-continue-search-missing-australian-man

I remember reading not long ago an article regarding wind chimes and British accent, though not in relation to Owen, which IMO will add to the confusion. Will go try find that article.

Editing to add:


Complaints of shady business dealings arise
daily Herald-Tribune
Grand Praire, Alberta - Posted 7 days ago

The Grande Prairie RCMP has received several complaints regarding two possibly shady business operations.

One involves a door-to-door salesman and the other involves merchandise being sold out of the back of a van. Neither had proper city-issued business licences.

Police received word of a British man knocking on doors last Friday and Saturday, trying to sell dream-catchers and wind chimes.

"We're not sure (what is going on here)," said RCMP Cpl. Carol McKinley. "The detachment was contacted with concerns that he might be a suspicious individual."

Aside from a British accent, the man is described as being in his early-mid 20s, 6'0", well dressed and clean-cut, with an average build and black hair.

Police are taking interest in him because of a request from police in Grand Forks, B.C.


more at link: http://dailyheraldtribune.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2885293

dotr
12-17-2010, 03:16 PM
Thanks for the link Hazel, now things are really getting strange, I wonder what (and who) is behind all this....?

sillybilly
12-23-2010, 11:53 PM
It's difficult to follow the info in the recent articles. Sightings started on Vancouver Island. Then an article Dec 13 says that Grande Prairie LE ruled him out there, yet a subsequent article Dec 16 says that Grande Prairie LE in Alberta are investigating, but that the majority of sightings have been in Cranbrook and Kimberley, BC !! Anyone else as confused as I am?

summer_breeze
12-26-2010, 09:26 AM
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101225/bc_owen_rooney_101225/20101225?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

By: ctvbc.ca
Date: Saturday Dec. 25, 2010 6:51 PM PT

It's been four months since the Rooney family from Australia uprooted their lives and moved to B.C. to search for their missing son, but they're not giving up yet. They say promising new clues are leading them down a fresh path.

summer_breeze
12-28-2010, 09:25 PM
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101228/CGY_owen_rooney_101228/20101228?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

By: ctvcalgary.ca
Date: Tuesday Dec. 28, 2010 3:52 PM PT

An Australian family looking for a missing loved one is moving its search base from Vancouver to Calgary after sightings of the man in northern Alberta.

sillybilly
12-29-2010, 01:42 PM
Search for missing Aussie man heads from B.C. to Alberta
Australian family sure Owen Rooney is alive ...


... The girlfriend Rooney met in Kelowna lives in Grande Prairie, but told the family he hadn't contacted her since before he vanished ...



full article: http://www.theprovince.com/Search+missing+Aussie+heads+from+Alberta/4035899/story.html#ixzz19WkUcbqh

dotr
12-29-2010, 09:42 PM
Mother of missing Aussie now in Calgary
Backpacker suffered head injuries, may be not remember who he is
Last Updated: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 | 5:49 PM MT .


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2010/12/29/owen-rooney-missing-calgary.html#ixzz19YhjQ5qv

Hazel
12-30-2010, 06:10 PM
From the news video clip:

"There has also been a sighting in Hinton. Half of the family is flying to Calgary; the others will drive and stop at every community along the way"

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101228/CGY_owen_rooney_101228/20101228/?hub=CalgaryHome

I think it is a great thing they are in Calgary, and will get to meet Owen's girlfriend.

Such a loving family you have Owie. Here hoping for the best outcome.

dotr
12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
I also posted this in the Mariam M thread.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...r-keep-looking
We’ve all read their stories.

There’s Ani Ashekian, Mariam Makhniashvili, Nicole Vienneau, Poonam Litt, Christina Calayca… and many more. Ordinary people, like you and me, who have vanished without a trace, without any definitive answers.

Some have been missing for a few months, others for a few years; some have gone missing from their homes, others while they were travelling abroad. But there’s one thing common in such cases: Their families haven’t given up.

luckyducky
01-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Fresh hopes for family of missing Aussie man. The family of an Australian man missing in Canada has been given fresh hope after a witness came forward saying he had coffee with the 24-year-old weeks after he disappeared. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8191193/fresh-hopes-for-family-of-missing-aussie-man

summer_breeze
01-02-2011, 07:14 PM
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8191193/fresh-hopes-for-family-of-missing-aussie-man

16:30 AEST Sun Jan 2 20112 hours 43 minutes ago
By ninemsn staff

The family of an Australian man missing in Canada has been given fresh hope after a witness came forward saying he had coffee with the 24-year-old weeks after he disappeared.

sherlockh
01-02-2011, 08:41 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/coffee-chat-raises-hopes-for-owen-20110101-19cj9.html

Same article with a bit more info. Although I can't really imagine he would be driving around in a truck with his head injury, the specific info is very hopeful.

Hazel
01-03-2011, 07:41 PM
A picture of Owen Rooney's profile, including a couple of pictures of the Sun-Catchers witnesses say he has been selling door-to-door,

as well as the last picture of Owen, taken a couple of days before he went missing,

are posted in the HELP FIND OWEN ROONEY Facebook group:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=1636631070464&set=o.153559174657446&pid=1704707&id=1077330542 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=1636631070464&set=o.153559174657446&pid=1704707&id=1077330542)

luckyducky
01-05-2011, 12:30 PM
Family scours Calgary for Owen Rooney. An Australian family spent the day visiting Calgary youth hostels in hopes of finding their missing loved one. http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110104/CGY_Rooney_Search_110104/20110104/?hub=CalgaryHome

luckyducky
01-05-2011, 12:48 PM
I just made a donation to Owen's for their search for their son. I challenge all Canadians to do the same. This family must be going through hell and the costs have got to be devastating for them as well.

Hazel
01-07-2011, 04:43 PM
This news is 2 days old, posted on radio site, so they might have gotten help already, IDK, will see if there is mention of this in the FB page.

Australian family hits snag as they search Alberta for missing man
_QR77 Newsroom
1/5/2011

An Australian family is stranded in Calgary as they search for the son and brother who's been missing since August.

Their van has broken down due to a transmission problem.

The family is hoping someone can help them with transportation. You can contact them by calling (403) 217-2809, or by visiting: Find-Owen.com. (jrw, ccg) (http://www.find-owen.com/)

On the Net:
Help Find Owen Rooney (Facebook) (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall)

AM 770 News Talk http://www.am770chqr.com/News/Local/Story.aspx?ID=1339113

Hazel
01-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Okotoks ??? Again ?

Rooney family solved their transportation problem.
While checking the FB group, I just read about a sighting of Owen around Dec. 21st. at a Vet Clinic, selling dreamcatchers in Okotoks!!!! Lady says she called Crime Stoppers to let them know, after she saw his pic in the news.

FB wall: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

dotr
01-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Also, from 2 days ago,includes video of family,I am impressed with how these lovely ladies are working together so diligently to find Owen!

http://www.globallethbridge.com/Rooney+family+comes+Calgary+search+Owen/4063883/story.html

sillybilly
01-08-2011, 11:20 PM
Hinky meter ahummin' :

The Nordlys phone number shown on that one item is an unpublished number in Richmond BC (odd for a business to be unpublished). I have located another phone number for them that is affiliated with the name AS:

http://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=689488_Nordlys_Richmond_ BC

The name AS in Vancouver:

http://ca.linkedin.com/in/astruna

AS appears to be associated with this "religious travel association" andon this web page he claims to be out of Summerside, PE, Canada (presumably PEI?):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KMvaJk6UyiEJ:religioustravelassocia tion.ning.com/profile/AlesStruna%3Fxg_source%3Dactivity+%22ales+struna%2 2&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

and on this page claims he is out of Gulfport, FL

Same AS on FB page shows another phone # in area code 902 which whitepages shows as Summerside, Nova Scotia (you might have to log into FB to view):

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/search.php?q=Ales%20Struna&init=quick&tas=0.5274984516561407

The 902 number brings up this page:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m4diNDvZ1A0J:www.journeysofthespiri t.com/contact/+902-303-1957&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

The names Ales S and Sheri R are associated with David A:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qdmcvLOZLpoJ:www.journeysofthespiri t.com/videos/there-is-good-here-david-ault/+%2B%22david+ault%22+%2B%22sheri+rosenthal%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


Sorry to sound cynical, but ... unconditional love, cambodia, miracles, blessings ... etc

sillybilly
01-08-2011, 11:40 PM
FB page for capiz product:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Capiz-Creations/173751905998361?v=photos#!/pages/Capiz-Creations/173751905998361?v=info#info_edit_sections

sillybilly
01-09-2011, 12:07 AM
Nordlys associate JA (Richmond, also formerly/currently? of Kelowna, BC) is affiliated with the Unification Church (aka the Moonies)

sillybilly
01-15-2011, 12:30 PM
Bump for Owen !!

nao
01-21-2011, 02:41 PM
Another person missing from Christina Lake BC. Population 1500 permanent residents. People always assume everyone would know everyone in small communities like this, but i do not find it to be true.

http://thenelsondaily.com/news/general/police-rcmp-ask-assistance-locate-missing-person-9116

Shawn McDonald missing from Christina Lake, car, personal posessions left behind.

sillybilly
01-21-2011, 04:58 PM
Florida: door to door sales is an emerging trend of trafficking young people

read full article at:
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/florida-new-child-trafficking-trends-emerging-through-door-to-door-sales#ixzz1Bi3IzMPj

sillybilly
01-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Shawn McDonald missing from Christina Lake, car, personal posessions left behind.<snip>

Don't know if we have a thread for Shawn yet, but will post this here in the meantime:

from:
http://www.iammissing.ca/Missing-M-1.html

Shawn was last seen at Time and Place Pub in Christina Lake, BC on January 1, 2011. He was reported missing two days later.

sillybilly
01-21-2011, 11:11 PM
Sorry .. too late to edit the above link on the Florida door-to-door sales. It didn't work because it was an RSS feed. This one should be okay:

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/florida-new-child-trafficking-trends-emerging-through-door-to-door-sales

summer_breeze
01-30-2011, 11:09 AM
http://www.inews880.com/Channels/Reg/LocalNews/story.aspx?ID=1354634

8:45am
Matthew Bisson
1/30/2011

The search for a missing Australian man will bring family members to Edmonton Sunday. We told you months ago about Owen Rooney, who disappeared after being treated for head injuries in a B.C. hospital back in August.

dotr
01-30-2011, 10:20 PM
Nothing really new, but it is nice to see this is still in the news today, I really hope Owen's family get some answers soon.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/01/30/17092446.html
Their search brings them to Edmonton this week.

"We've left our businesses (in Australia) and have been looking for him in Canada ever since," said mother Sharron Rooney, who has taken up temporary residence in B.C.

"We're following up all the leads we can and actively searching. We just don't want him to get lost here. If he doesn't know who he is he could very easily settle into a lifestyle and not come out of it."

lisser
01-30-2011, 10:31 PM
The family's facebook page is very active.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

His family has his medical records now.

sillybilly
02-03-2011, 06:02 AM
The family's facebook page is very active.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153559174657446&v=wall

His family has his medical records now.

In a Tuesday Feb 1 FB post by Jason R, he claims that Owen was in Edmonton Capilano area selling Jason's boss a shell sun catcher.

This brings me back to the company those widgets are associated with. One of the owners is JA who is a long-time Moonie. For an extensive read on one Canadian family's rescue and deprogramming of their son/brother (with specific references to JA) read the following online book. I warn you, it's about a 1/2 hour read, but has lots of info on how these groups operate:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Uz6zS_YeOoUJ:artassie.com/profoundimpact.pdf+%2B%22john+abelseth%22+%2B%22un ification+church%22&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

If you want the version with pics, you have to click on the link at the top of the page that takes you to the pdf version. It bogged my computer down but is worth the perseverence.

Although Ron Tassie's rescue was in 1981, Art Tassie's article was last year. I hope Owen's family can be in contact with some of the folks in that article who may be able to help in their search through the maize of Moonie madness. The group may have ceased activity due to weather, but maybe the Tassies or the Bowermans, or even the PI or LE who were involved at the time would know the current address the group uses in Alberta. It's also possible they have moved back into BC to get away from the more severe Alberta weather.

I know the Rooney's don't have a ton of money to be chasing shadows, but in this case, it seems the most concrete bits of information they have to go on are:

A) Owen reportedly being seen on numerous occasions selling dreamcatchers/suncatchers door-to-door
B) The dreamcatchers being linked back to a specific company
C) the co-owner of that specific company having an extensive affiliation with the Unification Church aka Moonies
D) The Moonies are known to actively sell widgets door-to-door

Just a thought, but given JA's connection to Kelowna, i have to wonder if Owen had some prior acquaintance with him and called him to ask for his help when he was at the hospital in Grand Forks.

summer_breeze
02-05-2011, 05:42 PM
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110205/CGY_rooney_search_110205/20110205/?hub=CalgaryHome

Updated: Sat Feb. 05 2011 14:29:41
ctvcalgary.ca

An Australian family's search for their loved one is about to come to an end.

Karina
02-09-2011, 07:47 PM
I have just joined this forum as I've been working on trying to find Owen Rooney myself. I've independently come to the same conclusions as others on this forum, that he is with the Moonies (unification church). The links are too clear in my opinion: the dreamcatchers he has been reported as selling come from a particular company (already mentioned in this forum). The owner of that company is very clearly a Moonie.

Initially I thought that amnesia could be an explanation for his bizarre disappearance, but I no longer believe this to be the case.

There are other things that puzzle me. Why has Owen's ex-gf being pretty unco-operative in terms of giving information? Does anyone know who this girl is? It was allegedly Owen's belief that this girl was on a farm that led to Owen being bashed up. Is this girl in the Moonies? How did their relationship end? Is this girl under the control of the Moonies? Did the fact that Owen going to the alleged farm to retrieve his his ex-gf, is that because Owen thought the Moonies had her under their control and he thought that he was going to rescue her?

Who are all the many friends that Owen has in Kelowna? Has anyone checked them out and whether any of them have links to the Moonies? What about the restuarant Owen workd in in Kelowna - do any of the workers there have associations with the Moonies?

The research I have read says that the effect of the Magic Mushrooms Owen is alleged to have taken at Shambahlah only last for up to 10 hours. Is my understanding correct that he spent 3 days in the medical tent at Shambahlah? If so, why did he spend so long in the tent? The psychotic effects of the mushrooms would have long worn off. What sorts of things was Owen saying in that medical tent that others discounted as psychotic ramblings? Maybe there was some truth in them. Maybe they weren't psychotic ramblings, maybe they were actually true and realistic fears he had. I mean he was bashed senseless not long after wasn't he. So, what was he saying to these medical people?

Someone who has recently been in a drug-induced state like Owen was reported to be in, would certainly be an easy target for brain-washing. The disconnection with self that is brought about by drugs is a similar state to the dissociative disconnect that is needed to brainwash someone. Interestingly trauma, like the bashing that Owen received, also results in the same dissociative disconnect that would enable brainwashing to occur more easily.

When I was around Owen's age I attended a couple of services of a church while I was on holidays in Queensland, Australia. The people were exceptionally lovely and within a day or two I'd been invited to stay at one of their houses for as long as I wanted, and who wouldn't say no to an offer of free accomodation - I certainly wasn't going to. But I pretty soon freaked out as they had me on the go from the crack of dawn to late at night and I was so sleep deprived I could hardly think. It was hard for me to get out of there, the emotional blackmail was very heavy, but I almost ran from the place and drove 26 hours non-stop across 3 states to get back to the safety of home - I was absolutely terrified. And the thing was, I'd had training about cults and how to recognize them, which is probably what saved me - I twigged that they were a cult and had all the classic characteristics of a cult. If I'd not have that specialized training, maybe I too could have ended up like Owen. So yes, these things do happen. Travellers without connections and young people make very easy targets for cults.

So where to next if Owen is within the Moonie cult. What is their typical induction programme? How soon before they're allowed back onto facebook? (I notice that there are a lot of Moonies with facebook accounts and links to each other via facebook). What are the levels within the Moonie cult? What would be ahead for him? I figure they'll be trying to marry him off, get the girl pregnant to him ASAP as that way they'll have a permanent and lifelong hold on him.

Karina.

dotr
02-10-2011, 12:55 PM
Welcome Karina! Very glad you decided to join us here , excellent post!
Good point about Owen possibly being hooked up with a gf.Maybe it would be worthwhile to pay closer attention to anyone fitting OR's description in the company of an Asian female, as I understand that they encourage biracial pairings..Perhaps a poster in a Korean restaurant or food store might help.

sillybilly
02-10-2011, 05:10 PM
Yes, WELCOME KARINA !! Seems you've been doing your homework :)

Interesting comment about Owen's "paranoia". Sometimes what others perceive as paranoia is simply a normal reaction to a very abnormal situation. Having said that, there is that pic of Owen taken in Nelson with the fellow standing beside the Harley. Owen appears very relaxed and happy. Don't know that we ever found out who drove Owen to Christina Lake, but maybe that Nelson acquaintance might know.

The address that picture is taken at is 601 Front St, Nelson, BC. Streetview indicates it is not a huge building, but houses quite a few businesses, among them Narcotics Anonymous, clothing, a registered massage therapist, mental health, art therapy, the Echankar (Eckankar?) Church:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%2B%22601+front%22+%2Bnelson&hl=en&biw=801&bih=422&prmd=ivns&ei=TlhUTemWIIuasAPthKG7BQ&start=0&sa=N

I wonder if Echankar might do door-to-door sales of the Nordlys supplied dreamcathers.

maxfactor
02-11-2011, 04:19 PM
Yes, WELCOME KARINA !! Seems you've been doing your homework :)

Interesting comment about Owen's "paranoia". Sometimes what others perceive as paranoia is simply a normal reaction to a very abnormal situation. Having said that, there is that pic of Owen taken in Nelson with the fellow standing beside the Harley. Owen appears very relaxed and happy. Don't know that we ever found out who drove Owen to Christina Lake, but maybe that Nelson acquaintance might know.

The address that picture is taken at is 601 Front St, Nelson, BC. Streetview indicates it is not a huge building, but houses quite a few businesses, among them Narcotics Anonymous, clothing, a registered massage therapist, mental health, art therapy, the Echankar (Eckankar?) Church:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%2B%22601+front%22+%2Bnelson&hl=en&biw=801&bih=422&prmd=ivns&ei=TlhUTemWIIuasAPthKG7BQ&start=0&sa=N

I wonder if Echankar might do door-to-door sales of the Nordlys supplied dreamcathers.


That's a good find SB, I wonder if anyone has checked this out. Here's the website for the church and it seems kinda odd. Quite a coincidence that the picture was taken in front of that building.
http://www.eckankar.org/
http://www.eckankar-bc.ca/default.cfm

dotr
02-12-2011, 02:18 PM
OT, sorry - I was just reminded of a case where a woman seemed to have an injury after a car accident, then wondered off and reported to be seen much later, in coffee shops along the highway and in the city - as a homeless person.
MT MT - Patty Meehan, 37, Circle, 20 April 1989 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

sillybilly
02-13-2011, 10:17 PM
IIRC, Nordlys distanced themselves from the actual selling of their widgets (something along the lines of "we don't sell them directly").

The following comment made by Ann of Summerland on Nov 29 over at the Find Owen Rooney blog would seem to indicate that there is no middle man in the sale of these items .. Nordlys receives the direct revenue from door-to-door sales:

from: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Sc3bx0FGU0oJ:www.find-owen.com/2010/11/does-anyone-have-contact-information.html+%22Nordlys+Canada%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

... I had no cash so paid him by cheque made out to the company they were dealing through - Nordlys Canada ...

Hazel
02-13-2011, 10:59 PM
IIRC, Nordlys distanced themselves from the actual selling of their widgets (something along the lines of "we don't sell them directly").

The following comment made by Ann of Summerland on Nov 29 over at the Find Owen Rooney blog would seem to indicate that there is no middle man in the sale of these items .. Nordlys receives the direct revenue from door-to-door sales:

from: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Sc3bx0FGU0oJ:www.find-owen.com/2010/11/does-anyone-have-contact-information.html+%22Nordlys+Canada%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca
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sillybilly
02-14-2011, 01:40 AM
Both companies are at the same addy, same suite #.

summer_breeze
02-14-2011, 08:18 PM
http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/60156/Kelowna-resident-missing-for-6-months

by RCMP - Story: 60156
Feb 14, 2011 / 2:30 pm

Six months after his disappearance, Owen Rooney's family has still not given up hope, despite all plausible leads being exhausted.

Karina
02-15-2011, 07:43 AM
Hi Guys,

I'm amazed at the quality of the information on here about Owen, I think your all doing a brilliant job at filling in some of the many many blanks about this case.

Yes, I have been putting many hours into this, I've done a few 12 hour days working solely on finding Owen and following up leads, so I feel I'm close to being up to speed on it now. There is a dirth of information generally regarding this case, and in my opinion huge gaps in information I've been able to get. This list has come up with lots of great info, which has been terrific too, and whoever put the time line together of Owen's movements, that was a stroke of brilliance.

Eckankar is an interesting thought, although knowing a bit about Eckankar in Australia, it's really not their style, but then Eckankar may differ from country to country.

I wonder whether Owen had medical insurance. He knew he was hurt, when he was in the police officer's car. I guess as an Australian, most Australians have the perception that if a person in the USA or Canada ends up in hospital, they may end up with a medical bill of $10,000 + To a 24yo, this would mean the end of his trip and probably debt for quite some time. Maybe it was easier for Owen to slip away and not pay the bill. I'm not suggesting Owen is someone likely to break the law, I don't know, but this certainly could be one explanation. Does anyone know whether Owen had travel medical insurance? and if so, whether his hospitalization would be covered by it?

Having run a business myself in the past, I suspect that the person who wanted the dreamcatcher and didn't have the cash, probably was told by Owen or the person selling it to them that they didn't have a bank account. The next best scenario would be to write the check out to Nordly's. This would indicate that they intended to buy more dreamcatchers from Nordly's in the near future, or were owing them money for the one's that they had. If I had power to do anything in the case, I'd be using the courts to subpoena Nordly's for the address they send the dreamcatchers to. I have no idea how co-operative or not the proprietor's of Nordly's are, but even if they are co-operative, they probably would not be allowed to disclose information about who their clients were, short of a subpoena by the courts to present that information to the courts. It could well end his relationship with whoever this client is/are. Very few companies sell direct to the public, so this would be unusual to write a cheque to the company, but I've come across this sort of thing in business a number of times before, so I don't see anything unusual there.

I think the key with paranoia is that a lot of things can be written off as "paranoid" until further information is obtained. Paranoia is unrealistic fears or delusions. The thing is maybe Owen was having realistic fears. Maybe the Shambahlah people wrote them off as just delusional, but it sounds like there were things to be feared around the corner, so maybe he was not at all delusional. Owen didn't have any sort of history of mental illness.

I find it hard to believe that Owen would be delusional for days after the Shambahlah music festival. The thing is the magic mushrooms Owen took have an effect for up to 10 hours. I wonder whether discussions with the Shambahlah medical team that looked after Owen for the 3 days he was in their tent, whether he said that he took them on purpose, or whether some of his food or drink were laced with the magic mushrooms. Does anyone know this? I see this as important in ascertaining whether there was any threat to Owen's health at Shambahlah, or if anyone purposely laced something Owen took with it.

Someone in a drug induced state is much more easily brainwashed / manipulated / controlled.

The bashing would have had a very severe effect on Owen as according to his family he'd never been in a physical fight before. My sense of Owen is that he was far too trusting - but then I'm a very cautious type myself, but that probably comes with maturity and awareness of crimes.

As time goes on I think the Moonies is the most likely scenario of where Owen has gone. He might have amnesia, but I think the chances of that are so miniscule. I think if Owen had brain damage that was that significant, he would also have significant developmental delay from it and or other neurological damage that may impact on the way he can move his body. I'll try to talk with some neuropsychologists / neurologists and see what they say. Has anyone done this? I'm not saying it's not possible, but just that it's highly unlikely. I also think that he's obviously interacting with others, and it's quite bizarre that if amnesia was the issue that someone hadn't put him in touch with medical help by now means that it's extremely unlikely. In fact I think the only plausible explanation is that he's with the Moonies and has been sent for free on some of their courses interstate, without papers, so he's keeping his head down and enjoying the experience. I did read one page about Moonies that said they are taught to live in the now without constraints of what they "should" do, or feeling a sense of responsiblility.

I also know that when many men have issues in their life, they choose to withdraw and sort of hibernate until they sort what's going on in their head out, then resurface. Women are very different in the way they problem solve.

I personally think Owen is going to be found amongst one of the many groups that train new Moonie inductees. There are quite a few organizations in Canada and the USA that run these. I also believe that Owen will resurface down the track, even if he is with the Moonies, as they'll use him to recruit other young people. Owen is a very likeable, loving and affable young man from what I hear, just the sort to bring in new recruits (unfortunately), so someone like Owen would be extremely valuable to them, and also with his skills as an electrician. No he can't sign off on electrical work in Canada, but yes he could do the work and have a local electrician sign off on it.

sillybilly
02-15-2011, 04:31 PM
"Six months later, still no sign of Owen"

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110215/bc_owen_rooney_110215/20110215?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Can't find the Global TV noon-hour newsclip, but in it, Sharron Rooney states they had 40 sightings of Owen selling door-to-door (those sightings stopped in December). IIRC, she said they still can't be sure it is Owen. ???

40 sightings !! Even if only a percentage of those sightings are valid, it probably is a lot more than we would have in the average missing person's case where we'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 sightings.

Given the only available information that we have, I agree that Owen is probably with the Moonies.

ETA: I may stand corrected on Sharron Rooney's exact wording ... may have been 40 "tips" as opposed to "sightings". They did however show a map with all the tips/sightings, that would indicate that "tips" placed Owen in areas able to be mapped.

sillybilly
02-15-2011, 05:51 PM
Another thing that stood out to me in the Global TV video is that the family states they still do not know how Owen got to Christina Lake.

It was established that Owen was in Nelson prior to Christina Lake, so I do hope the fellow in the pic with Owen was identified and located, with a view to determining if he, or someone he knew, drove Owen to CL.

summer_breeze
02-15-2011, 07:25 PM
http://boundarysentinel.com/news/general/rcmp-and-rooney-family-reach-out-once-more-help-find-their-missing-son-owen-9752

by Contributor on 15 Feb 2011

Australian native, Owen Kiernan Rooney, disappeared 6 months ago today but his family and police are not giving up hope.

sillybilly
02-16-2011, 04:00 AM
Very few companies sell direct to the public, so this would be unusual to write a cheque to the company, but I've come across this sort of thing in business a number of times before, so I don't see anything unusual there.
<snip>

Not unusual at all to pay by cheque, but if I walk into Home Depot to purchase a pound of nails and pay by cheque, the cheque would be payable to Home Depot, not the sales clerk, or the manufacturer or supplier or wholesaler, the Trusty Rusty Nail Company who had already been paid for the goods.

IMO, it firmly establishes a DIRECT connection between Nordlys to that door-to-door vendor. In other words, Nordlys didn't wholesale to ABC Company for resale by the door-to-door street vendors. IF that were the case, the cheque would have been made out to ABC Company who had already paid Nordlys the wholesale price for the goods. The fact the cheque was payable directly to Nordlys indicates there was no middle-man, and that Nordlys provided the goods directly to the street vendors with instruction that the proceeds from the sale go directly to Nordlys. IF ABC Company had hired the street vendors and distributed the goods to them to sell, chances are the individual street vendors wouldn't have even know that a company called Nordlys was the initial supplier / wholesaler of the goods.

sillybilly
02-16-2011, 05:03 AM
I still question why Owen would have gone from Shambhala (outside Salmo) totally out of his way 26 miles north to Nelson, before heading another 27 miles south to Castlegar enroute to Christina Lake / Grand Forks ... when he could have just gone from Salmo, 24 miles directly west Castlegar. Why Nelson??

Karina
02-16-2011, 05:35 AM
Since Owen was known to have hitch hiked, would Owen have gotten a lift to Nelson, as that was as far as his lift was going. Could Owen have decided he would be more likely to get a lift back to Grand Forks via Nelson, than where via the more direct route??

I disagree sillybilly re the cheque from the dreamcatcher customer showing a direct link to Nordly's selling their products direct. I think it was just a way they got around the having no bank account themselves. They obviously regularly have to buy/order new supplies from Nordly's, so would have just sat on the cheque until needed and then presented that cheque towards payment for their invoice for the next round of goods they picked up from Nordly's. Not sure if I explained this well enough the first time, sorry if that's the case.

sillybilly
02-16-2011, 06:02 AM
Turns out the Shambhala Music Festival / Film Fest office mailbox is pretty much directly across the street (622 Front St) from where that pic of Owen is taken at 601 Front St in Nelson.

I wonder if management gave Owen a ride to make up for his unpleasant experience at the Festival.

bodhi93
02-16-2011, 08:51 AM
This is slightly OT:

Does anyone know if the Moonies would take children? Say if a parent thought they were at risk and tried to hide them to keep them safe?

The reason I'm asking is there are 3 boys missing from Michigan and their father said he gave them to an organization...

TIA

Karina
02-17-2011, 03:07 AM
Owen spent 3 days in the "Sanctuary" tent at Shambhala, which is apparently next door to the first-aid tent. It's possible one of the workers from inside the Sanctuary tent, gave Owen a lift to the Shambhala registered offices, which is in Nelson. Great connection Sillybilly re the Shambhala office being across the road from where he was photographed 2 days before his disappearance.

Maybe Owen had some sort of follow-up appointment after Shambhala to check on how he was doing, or made a friend of one of the workers in "Sanctuary" and went there to meet with him. Maybe the guy Owen was photographed next to, the one with the long hair is one of these workers.

I notice the Shambhala 2010 website has literally thousands of photographs up there now. Have any of Owen's friends scoured these for pics of Owen? It might show some of the people he hung out with at Shambhala, although if he spent the majority of 3 days in the medical tent and then Sanctuary, he may not have mingled much. It would however I'd imagine be nice for the family to have some new photos of their son.

Karina
02-19-2011, 06:40 AM
Sanctuary at Shambhala appears to have had an art gallery, either next door or in the other half of the Sanctuary tent. I found a youtube video which has a couple of shots of Owen in (very fleeting). If you stop the video at 44 seconds, it gives a good side on pic. It's a little hard to tell if it was Owen, but it looks similar to other side on shots of him I've seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbPOFqUZ8uI&feature=player_embedded#at=21

I'd be contacting the guy who shot this video, to see if he has other footage from Shambhala in which Owen is in it.

The Sanctuary tent seemed to be run by volunteers. Some of the people running it describe themselves as psychedelic therapists, ie. they help facilitate people having religious experiences or personal development experiences through their use of drugs. Personally I think a lot more attention needs to be paid into checking each of these workers out, to see if they have any links to the Moonies. I'm betting the guy on the motorbike was probably a volunteer from Sanctuary that Owen got to know / or who significantly helped Owen at Shambhala.

Do others think this is footage of Owen?

Hazel
02-19-2011, 08:09 AM
Owen Rooney's disappearance is going to be on CBC's the Fifth Estate !!!

Last night I watched the last portion of the Fifth Estate, and when the show was over, Hana Gartner announced that their Documentary "PRESUMED DEAD" (that most of us watched) was a huge success, and they are doing a new series of cases.

They showed a brief synopsis: a group of people were singing Happy Birthday, the room was dark, candles lit, and I thought the birthday guy looked like Owen, but thought nah! just my imagination.....
not so, it was indeed our Owen! I couldn't catch the date (or perhaps it was not mentioned) when that episode featuring Owen is going to be aired...will try see if I can find that "preview" (or perhaps someone else can find it for me).

I'm really happy Owen's case is going to get lots of exposure...and hopefully new leads will come up.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/presumeddead/

Hazel
02-19-2011, 01:22 PM
Found the preview re Owen Rooney's upcoming documentary on the Fifth Estate, which is being prepared right now, but is not for next Friday.

Preview: at the very end of the following link....around the 41:00 mark


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

sillybilly
02-19-2011, 08:51 PM
Do others think this is footage of Owen?

I don't think that is him Karina ... profile and sideburns seems all wrong to me. JMO

sillybilly
02-20-2011, 05:35 AM
I don't think that is him Karina ... profile and sideburns seems all wrong to me. JMO

I'm going to amend my above comment Karina. After checking out a similar side profile of Owen(a pic in the Jan 3 2011 entry at www.find-owen.com), the sideburns/hairline are the same. The facial profile seems off to me though, but could be due to the slightly different angles. The pic of Owen shows his nose upturned, whereas in the Sanctuary video, his nose does not seem to have any upturn whatever.

Karina
02-21-2011, 02:04 AM
Is there any way for me to access this footage when it comes out? Like someone put it on youtube? I can't access their stuff from Australia, it's blocked unfortunately. It would be good to know what they say about Owen. Well spotted Hazel.

Hazel
02-21-2011, 08:49 AM
Is there any way for me to access this footage when it comes out? Like someone put it on youtube? I can't access their stuff from Australia, it's blocked unfortunately. It would be good to know what they say about Owen. Well spotted Hazel.
Hi Karina, didn't know you were in Australia. :seeya:
Many people from the US have also complained that they cannot access the Fifth Estate videos, and we have no idea why the CBC doesn't allow that.
I can tell you, however, that in the preview we can see Owen's mom and dad in a snow covered area with mountains, pine trees, also Owen's sister on what looks to me like a train or bus ride, so the family is definitely part of this special report. I am assuming that after the show airs, the video footage will be up on Owen's FB page, hopefully the family will upload it on YouTube so everyone in Australia can watch it. I don't know if they will require authorization from the show producers in order to do that.

I just found out Owen's mom, Sharron, made a radio interview on Daybreak South - British Columbia.
There is no direct link to the interview itself, to Listen the interview, click on the following link, and look for:

Still Looking for Owen

http://www.cbc.ca/daybreaksouth/interviews.html

(it is sorted by "Latest", so if we want to listen to it again, after more time has elapsed, I guess we will have to look in sorted by "Title")

Hazel
02-21-2011, 08:55 AM
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166450_1778115889366_1133454154_2065162_7242959_n. jpg

Owen with a little longer hair

source for pic: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1778115889366&set=o.153559174657446

pharmchick
02-23-2011, 02:32 AM
I don't really have much to add, other than to say that I was travelling on BC Ferries over the weekend and saw Owen's posters on 2 of the ships. I'm glad his photo and info are still very much out there, and hope he is found soon.

Karina
02-24-2011, 07:42 AM
I'm concerned to find today that there are 3 separate Help Find Owen Rooney facebook pages, 2 of which have no Rooney family members on. On one of these pages a report was put in on the 15th February at Fort Saint John of a sighting of Owen at the swimming pool there. Now the interesting thing is, that on the same facebook group, back on 27th November, another possible sighting of Owen and report was made. The person making that report back in November said that the man he met, with an Australian accent, and who he believes to be Owen is travelling with a group of 7 friends and that they were going to go to PG (presumably Prince George) then Fort Saint John. The concerning thing is this man put in the report about Owen five minutes after the salesman left his house, but it looks like it was not acted on immediately by the authorities.

Where would a tourist go if wanting to tour Canada, from Fort Saint John? Would they be heading up to Alaska? or??

I've emailed Owen's mother re this other facebook page, but it is interesting that the plan that they had in place in November, is something they stuck with for 3 months, so it sounds like they have some very clearly defined travel plans.

Is there any reason they might have chosen to go to Fort Saint John at this time of year?

Karina
02-24-2011, 11:57 AM
Woops, just read that the chap said that the man he thought was Owen, was on his way to Fort McMurray for a job there.

sillybilly
02-24-2011, 08:36 PM
I'm concerned to find today that there are 3 separate Help Find Owen Rooney facebook pages, 2 of which have no Rooney family members on. On one of these pages a report was put in on the 15th February at Fort Saint John of a sighting of Owen at the swimming pool there. Now the interesting thing is, that on the same facebook group, back on 27th November, another possible sighting of Owen and report was made. The person making that report back in November said that the man he met, with an Australian accent, and who he believes to be Owen is travelling with a group of 7 friends and that they were going to go to PG (presumably Prince George) then Fort Saint John. The concerning thing is this man put in the report about Owen five minutes after the salesman left his house, but it looks like it was not acted on immediately by the authorities.

Where would a tourist go if wanting to tour Canada, from Fort Saint John? Would they be heading up to Alaska? or??

I've emailed Owen's mother re this other facebook page, but it is interesting that the plan that they had in place in November, is something they stuck with for 3 months, so it sounds like they have some very clearly defined travel plans.

Is there any reason they might have chosen to go to Fort Saint John at this time of year?<bbm>

Do we know which town/city the Nov 27th sighting was in?

Reason I'm asking is we have Len Whitney (Edmonton?? Red Deer??) reporting that in Sept/Oct, Owen was supposedly heading to a trucking job in Lac La Biche, AB; then Nov 27 the above report that he was going from Prince George, BC to Fort McMurray, AB; then February he is reported again in Fort McMurray. That's 1300+ miles of back-tracking (which doesn't make a lot of sense with the cost of gas these days).

If the group are "tourists", they sure need a guide. LOL ... can't quite see tourists heading to Fort McMurray in the dead of winter. HOWEVER, I just had a major thought ... if they are selling widgets to make money, they could be headed for pipeline / oilsands jobs in Fort McMurray ... really big $$ to be made in a short period of time. Lots of young guys get together the money for the specialized clothing (including, yes indeedy ... $300 to $400 electric boots), tough it out as long as they can, and get themselves $20,000 or $30,000 within a few month. Somebody could get rich on those kids, even if only half their earnings went to la Church, huh?

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=816&bih=445&q=%2B%22fort+mcmurray%22+%2Bpipeline&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=87c8eca960d3be59

sillybilly
02-24-2011, 09:15 PM
The pipeline jobs I refer to above are part of the Mackenzie Gas Project, which is a $7 billion mega-project that would bring natural gas via pipelines from the Beaufort Sea down to Fort McMurray. I'm not 100% sure on the project status as it relates to agreements with the Inuit and First Nations groups, but I do know young people from BC who have recently gone to Fort McMurray to make big money.

I'd like the money too, but as it is windy and cold in BC today, even setting some cold records, i'll settle for a pair of those stylin' electric boots :)

Karina
02-24-2011, 10:22 PM
I've just written the following document for the family, with suggested ways people can gain more information about anyone they meet selling dreamcatchers, that they think might be Owen. I'd appreciate any further ideas on it, amendments etc. I basically wrote it as a launching pad document, that might be useful for them to utilize in their media campaigns. The text I've put below:-

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"If you suspect that you have just met Owen, here are some ideas of Ways to Communicate with Owen to gain more concrete information about him:-

Hi, my name is ..., what's your name?

You have a strong accent, where are you from?

If he says Australia, ask where abouts in Australia?

How long are you in Canada for?

Where are you off to next?

The snow's been bad this year. How are you managing to travel around? Car, public buses, own bus, caravan, motorhome, trailer-park, caravan park, shelter, backpackers, etc etc.

Find out where he's staying while in town

Ask if it's ok to take a photo of him as he's so handsome or something (then forward this to his family). A front-on shot is best.

Ascertain how comfortable or uncomfortable the person he is with is about him giving out this information.

Ask him if he's been reading the newspapers or watching television about a missing young Australian called Owen Rooney?

Give him the brochure on how to reach the Rooney family in Canada.

If the young man thinks he might be Owen, but can't recollect, ask him if he has any tattoos and if he says he does, Owen has two tattoos.

Ask if he'd like to ring his family from your phone (if your willing). I'm sure the family would be more than happy to accept a reverse charges phone call if needed, or to reimburse you for the phone call.

If he doesn't remember his family, let him know he has a loving family that he was close to and they're all missing him and searching for him daily.

If you don't think he's going to be receptive about giving out information about where he's staying etc., alternatively you could try asking the following:-

1. Say that you have a friend that would probably buy some dreamcatchers off him as he/she loves that sort of stuff and

(A) does he have a mobile phone number that he/she can ring him on to arrange to buy them off of him.

OR,

(B) If he doesn't have a mobile phone, ask if he can call back to your house the next day at a particular time, or where he will be the following day if your friend wants to catch up with him. (Then notify the family and the local RCMP as well as Grand Prairie RCMP of when and where this will be).


Try asking Owen where he's headed to next, and via which route. Some of the reports about Owen have said that Owen is trying to save to go to Australia. You could let him know that he doesn't have to worry about saving the money, as if he contacts his family, they'll happily arrange for the ticket back home for him at their expense.


This is just a document to launch some ideas of ways for people to easily elicit information that is more concrete from the man people think is Owen, so the sightings can be verified.

Thanks for all your help."
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Well that's it folks, I'd appreciate your comments on it.

Karina
02-24-2011, 10:29 PM
He could be just going to Fort McMurray to sell the dream catchers. There is obviously a lot of money in the area, so they might just be wanting to cash in on this. He could be going for a job there, but I tend to think he'll probably be sticking to what he's been doing consistently.

I noticed that backtracking with mileage too, that's a lot of wasted petrol and they probably have a limited income. Still, they took many months to do it. But Fort McMurray is in line with other places where he has been sighted, ie. Lac La Biche, Red Deer etc..

The thing is he said he was going to Fort Saint John and 3 months later he was seen there, so that's a good thing. The same person is now saying they are headed to Fort McMurray. I think Fort McMurray needs to be blitzed by the media, internet, in every way possible, to get the word out before he gets there.

I'm disappointed in that the person who had the last sighting of Owen, rang the RCMP within 5 minutes of his leaving, but they still didn't find him. Does the RCMP tend to act on sightings like this quickly? Really they need to give an immediate response, as he tends to move that quickly. Hopefully if people ask even some of the questions from the document above, it will make it easier to track him down.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Family still searching

After six long months, Owen Rooney's family is facing the difficult decision of how long they should keep searching for their missing son and brother.

The family left Milton for Canada after Owen went missing from Grand Forks hospital on August 14 last year, and have remained there since, refusing to give up hope.

Yet, despite numerous reported sightings across Canada, they have failed to turn up any solid leave.

More: http://www.ulladullatimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/family-still-searching/2085119.aspx

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Family still searching

After six long months, Owen Rooney's family is facing the difficult decision of how long they should keep searching for their missing son and brother.

The family left Milton for Canada after Owen went missing from Grand Forks hospital on August 14 last year, and have remained there since, refusing to give up hope.

Yet, despite numerous reported sightings across Canada, they have failed to turn up any solid leave.

More: http://www.ulladullatimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/family-still-searching/2085119.aspx

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-25-2011, 02:44 AM
Owen Rooney still missing

More than six months have passed since the disappearance of Owen Kiernan Rooney and police and Rooneys family are no closer to finding the missing Australian man.

More: http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/116751124.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-25-2011, 02:44 AM
Owen Rooney still missing

More than six months have passed since the disappearance of Owen Kiernan Rooney and police and Rooney’s family are no closer to finding the missing Australian man.

More: http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/116751124.html

dotr
02-25-2011, 02:37 PM
Older link concerning Mariam Makhniashvili and the religious leader who, some feel lured young adults away from family. I just noticed the reference to Australia and thought some info may be of use here.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/30/mariam-makhniashvili.html
Vakhtang Makhniashvili said he first heard about a Georgian evangelical leader with links to Toronto on an internet forum. Georgians who live in Toronto were discussing it.

"First when I heard about him, I heard he was like, kind of [a] monster who would lure people and they would disappear without any trace," he said.

Makhniashvili says he passed the information to Toronto police.

Reports in the Georgian media recounted how a group of women left for Canada back in the mid-1990s with Rezo Bakradze, who was a university professor and head of a religious sect.

Roman Kutsia said he hasn't seen his daughter Natalia in 15 years. She was part of the group who left Georgia in 1994 to follow Bakradze — a man described as charismatic and highly intelligent.

"This man has enchanted our children. They all live in illusions. He forbids them to contact us. He's like an idol for them," said Kutsia, speaking through an interpreter during an interview with CBC News in Tblisi. Natalia Kutsia was one of the 35 students who left with Bakradze and lost touch with their families.

Some of the followers moved to Australia — others to Toronto.

pharmchick
02-28-2011, 03:03 AM
Article from 2/23: http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/116751124.html

We want to solve this thing, Harrison says. Its just been a huge, huge file. I mean were up to 850 pages on the file already, its just monstrous. Its stretched from Alberta to all of B.C. Its been a big effort and were still active as Hell in the investigation, as far as following up on tips and going back and (re-examining) things that are already done just to make sure its not going to end until we get something substantive to work with.

So glad LE seems so passionate about this case. It also says that they've determined that at least one of the dreamcatcher selling sightings was not Owen... hmm...

Hazel
03-02-2011, 08:42 AM
How I wish Owen's story could have a happy ending like this one; which proofs that sometimes people do walk out of their lives for no apparent reason.
<<<snips>>>
Police say a Mississauga man whose car and rental truck were found abandoned more than a week ago has been staying at a Brampton men's shelter under an assumed name.
.........
It's unclear why Jordan used a fake name at the shelter, Wilson said, because he wasn't wanted by authorities.

"It really doesn't matter to me," Wilson said, noting his primary concern was ultimately Jordan's safety.

Media coverage of Jordan's disappearance prompted him to call his family and let them know he was OK. His mother then contacted police and a detective was sent to Brampton to interview Jordan "to make sure there was nothing suspicious, which there isn't," Wilson said.
..........
"He said he walked quite a bit he walked from Bradford to Orangeville," Wilson said, adding Jordan sought medical attention for undisclosed reasons. "There were no injuries from the crash."

Jordan then made his way to Brampton, a jaunt of more than 30 kilometres.
full story: http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3000366

dotr
03-02-2011, 03:40 PM
The Fifth Estate episode concerning Owen, will be on March 11, 9pm, friday on CBC and available online after that date, as indicated on OR facebook page.

Hazel
03-02-2011, 06:10 PM
Thanks dotr, I had been looking for the date :)

From "Find Owen Rooney (http://www.find-owen.com)" site:

Posted by Rooney Family at 9:24 PM - Monday, February 28, 2011
Watch The Fifth Estate on CBC TV on March 11th
We have recently been contacted by CBC TV's The Fifth Estate . They have documented Owen's story and our journey in looking for him. It airs on CBC Friday March 11th at 9pm. It will give you all a good picture of our journey so far and we share some unanswered questions that someone can hopefully help us with. Please take the time to watch, or if not you can find it after Friday at www.cbc.ca/fifth

Thanks for all your love and support.
........
http://www.find-owen.com/

For the "Preview", see my posts #175 & #176 (above)

Hazel
03-05-2011, 11:10 AM
From "Find Owen Rooney (http://www.find-owen.com)" site:

Posted by Rooney Family at 9:24 PM - Monday, February 28, 2011
Watch The Fifth Estate on CBC TV on March 11th
We have recently been contacted by CBC TV's The Fifth Estate . They have documented Owen's story and our journey in looking for him. It airs on CBC Friday March 11th at 9pm. It will give you all a good picture of our journey so far and we share some unanswered questions that someone can hopefully help us with. Please take the time to watch, or if not you can find it after Friday at www.cbc.ca/fifth

Thanks for all your love and support.
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Preview of upcoming documentary re Owen Rooney -- at the very end of link CBC's Fifth Estate (below) -- around the 41:00 mark

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/

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sillybilly
03-07-2011, 03:02 PM
OT ... Ira Preston Cook, 13, missing from Kamsack, Saskatchewan, March 5 2011

CANADA IRA PRESTON COOK, 13, Kamsack, Saskatchewan, March 5 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Karina
03-08-2011, 12:33 PM
This is an excellent article in today's paper. It includes links to maps of Owen's movements before his disappearance.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8221333/missing-aussie-may-not-know-who-he-is

Hazel
03-08-2011, 12:51 PM
This is an excellent article in today's paper. It includes links to maps of Owen's movements before his disappearance.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8221333/missing-aussie-may-not-know-who-he-is
Thanks Karina! That is a very comprehensive article. I am still reading through it. Two things have jumped at me so far:

1) Owen seemed to have been in need of an alarm clock or was he having too much fun that he wasn't aware of the time? I say this because in such a short time he missed a car ride back to Kelowna, and then he buys a bus ticket and misses the 9:30 am bus as well!

2) First time I read about the 10 text messages to his ex-girlfriend the night before he disappeared. Did they find this out because his girlfriend came forward and showed the messages? and... it says ex-girlfriend....so he was not in a relationship at the time he went missing? Why text her that many times in one night if she was no longer his girlfriend?

will keep on reading...thanks again Karina :)

3) Something else I noticed : he experimented with those mushrooms on the 7th, he was seemingly ok on the 12, so IMHO the mushrooms had nothing to do with him feeling confused, paranoid, etc. the effect would have been worn out by then, JMHO, since I have absolutely no experience with that kind of thing.

Karina
03-10-2011, 09:32 AM
Hi Hazel,

Yes, to miss a car ride and then two buses is a lot, so either as you say he was having too much fun in Nelson or struggling so much with dissociation that he was losing track of time.

I had heard about the 10 text messages, but am unsure over what period of time they were sent. I think I read somewhere, that Owen and Dawn had split up on August 1st, so that was not too long before Owen went missing. My online reading also has led me to believe that Dawn kept company with some very unsavoury and dangerous characters.

From what the article says he wrote about in his sms's to Dawn, it sounds like he was confused and unsure where he was and the fact that he was asking Dawn if she knew where he was seems to indicate he was not able to logically reason things out correctly, which fits with her saying that Owen didn't sound like himself and didn't make a lot of sense to her.

Now is it true the RCMP cannot obtain the content of sms's sent in Canada? In Australia the police can, so I don't really understand why the RCMP wouldn't be able to find that out. Also, Owen's iphone stopped working, but my understanding is that sms's that come through to a phone can be accessed, even if they are deleted from the phone or seemingly from the sim card, through forensic software. The devices that do this are readily available via ebay from Hong Kong for only a few dollars. Even I was able to work out how to forensically read a sim card last year without any prior knowledge of how to do it (thanks to a paedophile targeting a friend's kid via the kid's mobile phone). So if I can do it, why can't the RCMP?

SMS messages are typically saved to the mobile phone, the sim card, or both. My understanding is that Owen's mobile phone is in one piece, turns on, but is not working. Presumably apple could also fix the phone, or determine exactly why it's not working, so has this been done? or if not, why has it not been done.

Maybe I'm being judgmental here and I know the family are very happy with all the input from the RCMP, but I can't help but think that the RCMP are fairly incompetent. One person who reported that they thought Owen came to their house, reported their sighting to the RCMP within 5 minutes, but 2 weeks later were still waiting on a reply from them.

And then even if none of these were possible, presumably the RCMP could get Dawn's phone. So something doesn't add up here.

Whether Owen's magic mushroom experience was a one off or not I'm not sure. I read one article about the Shambhala sanctuary from a volunteer's perspective and he was saying that some of the people that came to the first-aid tent, would end up back there again, over and over, during the entire Shambhala event. Hopefully it was a one off, but I know from what clients have told me about some drugs, that sometimes with some drugs the first time they take it they're addicted and can't stop. Also, as others have pointed out, it depends whether the magic mushrooms were laced with something else or not.

However, my feeling is that the paranoia had long worn off before Owen disappeared. People were saying that he was fine in Nelson, so then to be fine and then revert would be unexpected, unless what he took was laced with LSD and he kept on having flashbacks etc.. But I think once he went to the hospital, he would have been honest and owned up to exactly what he took and he owned up to taking the magic mushrooms (however, unbeknown to him it could have been laced with anything).

I tend to think that what people interpreted as paranoid ramblings of Owen's were based in reality. My fear is that what others classified as "paranoid ramblings" were written off, whereas if we could discover exactly what the fear's Owen was talking about, maybe we can in fact work out more about what he was actually afraid of.

All I know is that Owen was scared of two people, who Owen believed were at Shambhala (whether they were there or not is another thing, but I believe that he'd been led to believe that those 2 people were at Shambhala). Now, paranoia is about fear not based in reality; but given the fact that Owen has disappeared, maybe his fears were in fact reality based and very real, so real in fact, that they were eventually actualized, ending up in his subsequent disappearance. When I think of this I think it doesn't look good for Owen. I'd like to know a lot more about exactly what the content of these so called paranoid ramblings were.

A lot of things don't make sense and I've been told the RCMP typically work with secrecy, however I don't know whether secrecy would help in the search for Owen, unless of course the RCMP think that Owen is dead. I'm wondering if they do think this as they recently searched some mountain for Owen, so presumably that meant that they were searching for Owen's body - it was good news they found nothing.

It's a pity that no actual sighting of Owen has been able to be verified. So in reality nobody has seen any sight of Owen since he went missing. I'm just hoping that maybe some of the sightings haven't been able to be verified one way or another, although I've been assured that all have been thoroughly checked and excluded to date.

I've spent the last couple of weeks talking with someone who said they were a friend of Owen's, had definitely met him, knew him well, and that Owen didn't want to come home. I guess I wanted to believe the person, and still wonder about it, but the extent of the gameplaying and secrecy about actually putting myself or Owen's family in touch with me undermined the credibility of the person (who was doing a lot of angling for financial gain to come up with mere video footage of Owen, rather than getting Owen to ring his family or organize to meet them). The last I heard from this person he gave me a ridiculous message to pass on to the Rooney family and expected me to actually believe that it had come from Owen (when frankly even I who have never met Owen thought the message sounded like nothing Owen would ever say, but interestingly sounded exactly like what the person chatting to me would say). I personally think that people who make false reports should be jailed as they just derail the investigation, but then again, maybe that's their purpose.

Hopefully we can find Owen alive and well soon.

sherlockh
03-10-2011, 11:37 AM
I also wondered how bad his paranoia could have been if he was able to read a book at the hospital. Apparently he was able to concentrate enough to read. Leaving his stuff behind could simply mean that he went for a walk and planned on returning. My first thought when he went missing is that he had a water accident like several other young men. There is a river not too far from the hospital. I read about a few drownings in that river but not in Grand Forks. The river didn't look very deep to me from pictures. I don't know how deep it was when Owen disappeared. Anyhow, I know they searched the area and the river but I just wondered how far downstream they went. I hope I don't sound too negative, but is anyone still searching in the Grand Forks area?

sillybilly
03-11-2011, 12:32 AM
About 1/2 hour ago, I read the above article that Hazel linked to. I was shocked to read that Owen was given Percocet and that staff last checked on him at 6:30 am. My first thought was why they would give Percs for pain without having done at least a CT scan, and why so long that he was not checked on by staff. Now POOF !! The same article contains no reference to either of those previously stated facts.

Am I hallucinating?

ETA: Whew !! billy is okay ... those facts were in the comments that accompany the map:

http://www.bing.com/maps/Default.aspx?v=2&cp=49.46965943758041~-118.35442677841931&lvl=9&dir=0&sty=u&cid=BF8857CE507FFC83!325

FWIW .. Percocet alone can cause hallucinations and paranoia. Years ago I was prescribed them for severe headaches and instructed to take 1 pill xx times a day. I was nervous of them, so took 1/2 a pill then went to see the movie, McKenna's Gold. Next thing I knew headache was gone, but ... I had to leave because, well ... the gold mine had encompassed the entire theatre around me, and all the movie goers were looking at me. Got outside for some air and seemed okay. Went to a restaurant ... had to leave because all the people were looking at me. Only time in my life that I hallucinated on medication and became paranoid (except when people were really following me around).

So, based on my experience, that particular drug should have been contraindicated in someone who has already experienced paranoia. Doesn't make sense to me, but JMO

sillybilly
03-11-2011, 01:09 AM
Percocet at rxlist:

http://www.rxlist.com/percocet-drug.htm

Sub-categories are on the sidebar to the left. Under "Warnings & Precautions":

Head Injury and Increased Intracranial Pressure
The respiratory depressant effects of opioids include carbon dioxide retention and secondary elevation of cerebrospinal fluid pressure, and may be markedly exaggerated in the presence of head injury, other intracranial lesions or a pre-existing increase in intracranial pressure. Oxycodone produces effects on pupillary response and consciousness which may obscure neurologic signs of worsening in patients with head injuries.<bbm>

Under "Side Effects & Drug Interactions", they list hallucinations under "Psychiatric" (but not paranoia, so I must be very special indeed ;))

On another note, why have the people who admittedly beat Owen not been charged with assault? The assault and their admission to it appears to be sufficiently documented by both LE and the Boundary Hospital. I guarantee if someone comes into my home or on my property and I assault them, I would be charged. So, whazzupwitdat?

Karina
03-11-2011, 02:49 AM
Whether he was taking anything in if he was reading is another thing. But yes if Owen was reading and taking in what he was reading, that would indicate that he was doing well, however, that's really impossible to determine. However, people all the time stare at books or read the words and then re-read them and fail to take in what they are reading.

Where did you her or read that he was reading a book? I hadn't heard that - not to say it's not true though.

I'm assuming that Owen could swim since his siblings can (as shown in photos on Owen's fb page).

Karina
03-11-2011, 03:52 AM
Excellent points Sillybilly. I know of no hospital in the Western World that does observations only once a day! So for Owen not to have had any obs taken for over 12 hours is absolutely staggeringly negligent in my opinion.

Someone either on this forum or another, pointed out that if the hospital staff took obs at 6.30am and then Owen was observed to be sitting out at a picnic table (presumably from inside the hospital), then they could easily have confused him with one of the other patients at the hospital.

I suspect to own up to the fact that they hadn't checked on Owen during the day might end up in a staff member(s) losing their job. How thorough was the investigation into hospital staff rostered on that day?

If Owen was admitted Friday night, and the hospital was small, his case might have been deemed non-urgent, so they probably didn't bother calling in a radiographer to run a CT scan on him.

I don't know what ran through Owen's mind that day. But if I'd been sitting around in a hospital from 6.30am in the morning and had no staff check on me, no interventions done, then I'd be wondering why my hard earned money is going on a hospital room when they weren't doing anything for me. I'd just up and walk out I think myself. I mean if Owen thought that they'd give him an argument, had indicated to the staff he wasn't really happy hanging around (I have no idea if this was the case), I'd just think once I had my opportunity to leave, I'd be gone. If I was in that situation though, I'd be ringing a friend on my mobile phone and telling them I was in hospital and asking them for a lift back home or to a bus station. The question is who did Owen ring that day and at what stage did his mobile phone stop working? It sounds like from that article on ninemsn.com that he was sms'ing Dawn the night before he went missing from the hospital, so why did it stop working all of a sudden - what happened to it? It just kind of seems too convenient for it to kark it at that time.

The percocet Owen was given is expressly contraindicated in instructions re the medication. It is not meant to be given to people with head injuries, and it is also not meant to be given to people with drug problems. Given that it was a small hospital, maybe a nurse prescribed the medication for Owen on the basis of a quick phone call to a doctor.

But if these were the symptoms of Percocet, Owen was probably with it enough to realize that he was feeling a LOT worse after time in there than he was before he was hospitalized. I'm thinking that Owen sat outside a lot that day as he was looking for his opportunity to go off.

However, Owen would have been at risk of seizures, not only from the medication, but also from his head injury. If he had gone for a walk, it's quite plausible that Owen might have passed out and slipped down an embankment into the river. Did they search it extensively?

Given that he was sms'ing his ex-gf Dawn the previous night, in my opinion, it would be logical for Owen to ask Dawn for a lift home or to a bus station.

I also agree with SillyBilly it is strange that the people that bashed Owen up so brutally have not been charged. HOWEVER, I can think of one good reason that they may not have been charged. If Owen turns up dead, and I hope to God he doesn't, but kind of suspect that this is what the RCMP think has happened to Owen, given that they recently searched some mountain in the vicinity for Owen's body, that if they are charged with assault, and Owen's body turns up, they then won't be able to charge them with murder as they've already been convicted over the same incident. Would this make sense to those that know Canadian laws?

I also think that if Owen was convinced that his ex-gf was on that property, it could also make sense to Owen to have returned back to the farm again. And given the severity of the bashing given to Owen on the farm, if he had returned there, I don't think the owners of the property would have had any qualms at all about killing him.

dotr
03-11-2011, 09:34 AM
Thanks dotr, I had been looking for the date :)

From "Find Owen Rooney (http://www.find-owen.com)" site:

Posted by Rooney Family at 9:24 PM - Monday, February 28, 2011
Watch The Fifth Estate on CBC TV on March 11th
We have recently been contacted by CBC TV's The Fifth Estate . They have documented Owen's story and our journey in looking for him. It airs on CBC Friday March 11th at 9pm. It will give you all a good picture of our journey so far and we share some unanswered questions that someone can hopefully help us with. Please take the time to watch, or if not you can find it after Friday at www.cbc.ca/fifth

Thanks for all your love and support.
........
http://www.find-owen.com/

For the "Preview", see my posts #175 & #176 (above)

Reminder about the show tonight,available online after this airing.

Hazel
03-11-2011, 04:08 PM
Just posted this article on Lyle & Marie McCann's thread...

I believe it is also relevant in this thread, because of the text messages and Dawn being in Alberta. IMO LE might be in possession of all the text messages between Owen and Dawn, hence them ruling her out of any involvement.

I am hoping tonight's FE will answer some of the many questions we have. I find all the details in this case very confusing and a lot of things don't make any sense.
One question that hasn't been answered is if Owen had some kind of travel insurance? His mother mentioned in one of the latest news that Owen's work visa was now expired, so now we know he came to Canada with a work visa. I am assuming he must have had medical insurance, right?

New law helps with missing personsAlberta has introduced legislation that would force banks, phone companies and Internet providers to quickly provide personal information to police in missing person cases.

The data would have to be handed over even if there was no proof that the person was a crime victim.
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Police say getting speedier access to text messages, banking records or a person’s computer browsing history would give officers a jump when they are trying to find a dementia patient who has wandered away or someone who may have been abducted
read more: http://www.metronews.ca/edmonton/local/article/799743--new-law-helps-with-missing-persons

sillybilly
03-12-2011, 03:49 AM
Watched the Fifth Estate episode. I would be really interested in knowing when the filming was done (due to some comments contained). We have been told that RCMP do not consider the ex-gf to be involved, but so much of tonites episode was about how evasive she has been with the family. Seems she has refused to meet with any of Owen's family members, even though they have travelled all the way to Grande Prairie to meet with her on a couple of occasions.

They showed a picture of the house in Christina Lake (small, non-descript bungalow with an antique truck, maybe Model T, in a snow-covered driveway). RCMP stated they would like to give the two men polygraphs. Seems they have a warrant out for at least one of them on another matter, and are hoping to bring him in to question them. Seems these two guys are being evasive as well.