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Soulscape
10-12-2010, 11:03 PM
News reports state the Stepmother ran out of the house screaming to Zahra's Father that Zahra was gone. The call to LE was placed approx. 2:00 pm on Saturday, 10/9/10.

The chart produced could hardly be clearer.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZahraBakerReportedMissing.jpg

The Arabic Part of the MOTHER is conjunct the ASCENDANT and partile square ruler SATURN, 08 Libra, posited in the cadent 9th House. This is a secretive position. MERCURY the hidden message and SUN, also in the cadent 9th house, tell the tale with Part of ASSASSINATION conjunct the SUN (describing the Event), confirmed by Part of DEATH 11 Libra conjunct MERCURY the hidden message. MERCURY itself is partile conjunct the malefic Fixed Star VINDEMIATRIX, associated with death in the family.

The Arabic Part of FATALITY is partile conjunct CERES the Mother/Nurturer in the cadent 12th House (secrets, lies), strengthening our argument of who is responsible and what may have really happened.

The Malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, associated with losing one's head either literally or figuratively, sits within the 5th House of the Child, partile conjunct ADMETOS, a death marker, both associated with strangulation/suffocation.

The Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius squares Lord 5 the Child VENUS conjunct MOON, both at 13 Scorpio, both in the Via Combusta (the Burning Way).

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty) conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN.

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (violence, rage, murder) 09 Sagittarius parallels the MOON.



Of course, since the time of the Reported Missing, it has come to light the Stepmother herself wrote the ransom note, and that no one outside the family has seen Zahre for possibly as long as a month. This, in addition to many other startling and sickening facts and allegations emerging in this case give more weight to the chart at hand.

Thanks,
Soulscape



xxxxx

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ETA: Note Salvarenga has a listing below in Post #8 of important dates and times brought over from the Case Requests thread.

Cubby
10-13-2010, 02:24 AM
TY Soulscape. As difficult as this is to ask, does the chart indicate LE will find the evidence they are looking for regarding her remains. Just the thought.. I can hardly go there but I have to in order to see Justice for this precious child.

Thanks again Soulscape.

tlcya
10-13-2010, 02:58 AM
News reports state the Stepmother ran out of the house screaming to Zahra's Father that Zahra was gone. The call to LE was placed approx. 2:00 pm on Saturday, 10/9/10.

The chart produced could hardly be clearer.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZahraBakerReportedMissing.jpg

The Arabic Part of the MOTHER is conjunct the ASCENDANT and partile square ruler SATURN, 08 Libra, posited in the cadent 9th House. This is a secretive position. MERCURY the hidden message and SUN, also in the cadent 9th house, tell the tale with Part of ASSASSINATION conjunct the SUN (describing the Event), confirmed by Part of DEATH 11 Libra conjunct MERCURY the hidden message. MERCURY itself is partile conjunct the malefic Fixed Star VINDEMIATRIX, associated with death in the family.

The Arabic Part of FATALITY is partile conjunct CERES the Mother/Nurturer in the cadent 12th House (secrets, lies), strengthening our argument of who is responsible and what may have really happened.

The Malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, associated with losing one's head either literally or figuratively, sits within the 5th House of the Child, partile conjunct ADMETOS, a death marker, both associated with strangulation/suffocation.

The Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius squares Lord 5 the Child VENUS conjunct MOON, both at 13 Scorpio, both in the Via Combusta (the Burning Way).

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty) conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN.

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (violence, rage, murder) 09 Sagittarius parallels the MOON.



Of course, since the time of the Reported Missing, it has come to light the Stepmother herself wrote the ransom note, and that no one outside the family has seen Zahre for possibly as long as a month. This, in addition to many other startling and sickening facts and allegations emerging in this case give more weight to the chart at hand.

Thanks,
Soulscape


just wow.

kcsmom76
10-13-2010, 04:34 AM
Thank you so much Soulscape. Is there anyway to get a thread just for Zahra? Will the police find concrete evidence to put these monsters away forever?

FifthEssence
10-13-2010, 05:30 AM
Thank you so much Soulscape. Is there anyway to get a thread just for Zahra? Will the police find concrete evidence to put these monsters away forever?





One piece of CONCRETE evidence: we'll start with the StepM admitting she penned the ransom note. INNOCENT people don't do any such thing. It appears LE was on to this couple immediately. Finding the ransom note on the windshield of the auto that was doused with gasoline ( evidence of decomp or blood likely the reason at the time and now we learn the cadaver dogs hit on both vehicles ) seems to implicate her w/having knowledge beyond Zahar simply missing or being kidnapped. BUSTED.

Today(Wed.) is another day in court for this cruel person. Felony Obstruction of Justice. He's next.

News link: http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Police-searching--104818544.html

(also has video & photos of search)

Burke County Sheriff John McDevitt said Tuesday and Wednesday's intensive search off Hartland Road would last until investigators find what they are looking for or rule out the area.
McDevitt confirmed that Adam Baker was on site with investigators. He characterized his behavior as "not exactly cooperative," adding that, in his opinion, Baker is not being truthful.

sadnpod
10-13-2010, 06:03 AM
Wow is right. Just wow... thank you soulscape...

so sad....

kcsmom76
10-13-2010, 08:57 AM
Do we know if the murder was last week or a month or so ago? Can you tell that?

salvarenga
10-13-2010, 09:06 AM
I can't stop thinking about this litte angel. Will charts tell if there are multiple disposal sites and when she was killed?

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IMPORTANT DATES and TIMES (brought over from my other posts in the Case Requests Thread)


* at 5 am on 9 October the fire department and LE investigators respond to a brush fire in the back yard of this house!
Later that morning Dad states he goes out on a job..... and gets home early in the afternoon at which time he is out doing some yard work with SM comes screaming out of the house that Zahra is missing at 2pm on 9 october 2010 LE is called and arrive at 2:30 pm

* Elesa Baker was arrested at about 10:45 a.m. Sunday 10/10/10 on nine unrelated warrants and charges

* DOB for step mom, EAB, is 06/06/1968, NC.
DOB for dad, ATB, is 08/06/1977. Sydney, Australia
DOB for Zahra is 11/16/1999.- Giru, Queenland, Australia/ other news outlet says Wagga Wagga, AU

* SEARCH WARRANT
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=460807

ISSUED: 9:41 pm 10/10/10
EXECUTED: 9:52 PM 10/10/10


* Small grass fire was called into Fire Department on 10/09/10 at 5:09AM. by StepM.
Investigator on the scene by 5:30AM. Ransom note was addressed to the Baker's landlord and the kidnapping reference was made against the landlord's daughter....no mention of the Bakers or Zahra.

* At 2PM on 10/09/10, the police were back on scene investigating the fact that Zahra was missing. On 10/10/10 at 12:45PM SC Search and Rescue dog was on site at request of HPD and FBI. At 1PM, her canine alerted to human remains in or on both vehicles belonging the Bakers.

* Media briefing : 10/12 Media Briefing 11:30AM
No longer an Amber Alert, now a HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION


* Search goes on in wooded area in Morganton. Tuesday evening 10/12/10.
Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and concluded their search on Wednesday around 1 a.m.

salvarenga
10-13-2010, 09:16 AM
Not sure if this should go here since the chart is here now or if it should go in the Case Request Thread......if it should be moved please let me know.

More Time Stamps......

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Searchers look in brush pile for missing girl, stepmother to appear in court

Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and ended their search around 1 a.m. on Wednesday. The pile of debris is about 100 feet by 50 feet. Workers are using heavy equipment to examine the debris.

Sheriff's deputies are expected to resume their search Wednesday after 9 a.m.

notreallyaPisces
10-13-2010, 09:57 AM
Thank you Soulscape. This poor child had so many things working against her. My heart hurts for her.

Soulscape
10-13-2010, 10:13 AM
Not sure if this should go here since the chart is here now or if it should go in the Case Request Thread......if it should be moved please let me know.

More Time Stamps......

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Searchers look in brush pile for missing girl, stepmother to appear in court

Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and ended their search around 1 a.m. on Wednesday. The pile of debris is about 100 feet by 50 feet. Workers are using heavy equipment to examine the debris.

Sheriff's deputies are expected to resume their search Wednesday after 9 a.m.






Salvarenga, if you get a search start time for Wednesday, please let us know.


Regarding all the questions regarding when Zahra may have been murdered and whether there is more than one disposal site, please realize what you are asking us to decipher is extremely complicated, particularly because we really have no valid "Last Seen" date/time/place, nor do we have times of birth for any of the players.



Right now we know Father's birthplace is Sydney, AU and Zahra's is Wagga Wagga, AU.



We do not have Stepmother's place of birth and I am using a sunrise chart relocated to Hickory, NC (the event location). If anyone can uncover her place birth, it may prove helpful.

Based on the facts released in this case, the window of death could range from shortly before the start of the school year (8/25/2010) to hours before the Reported Missing (10/9/2010) --- that's quite a broad time span.

The facts that no one outside the family has come forth to state they've seen a live Zahra for at least a month prior to the Reported Missing and that current Hickory neighbors reported they'd never seen the girl since the family moved in (approx. 6 weeks earlier, on or about 8/28/2010) & didn't even know the Bakers had a child, leads one to the most horrifying of thoughts.

Did they torture the child for a month or more, finally doing away with her days/hours before the Reported Missing?

We will be studying the charts to see what clues we may uncover.

I can tell you this much --- both Stepmother's and Father's charts contain massive abuse markers towards this little girl (Stepmother's more so, but Father's nonetheless).

I believe, from a forensic astrological perspective, they were both involved, with Stepmother taking the lead role.

More later as time allows,

Thanks,
Soulscape

nursebeeme
10-13-2010, 10:39 AM
Elisa Annette Baker, 42, seemed distraught and spoke softly when she appeared in Burke County Court Wednesday morning for an obstruction of justice charge.

She asked for a court-appointed attorney and was given a November 3rd court date. She is being held on a $40,000 bond at the Catawba County jail.

In court Wednesday morning, the judge asked Baker if she understood the charges against her. She replied, "Yes." The judge also asked if she understood that she doesn't have to speak to anyone except her attorney.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

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one of our posters on the main thread said she heard on the news (no link as she is listening) that the search at the tree place is over and they are back in hickory and something about evidence being found. Will update with a link when it is posted online

Paulette
10-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Elise Baker is from North Carolina.

"Adam reportedly met the older Elisa, now 42, a native of North Carolina, about four years ago over the internet."

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/10/13/176631_news.html

Soulscape
10-13-2010, 01:53 PM
Elise Baker is from North Carolina.

"Adam reportedly met the older Elisa, now 42, a native of North Carolina, about four years ago over the internet."

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2010/10/13/176631_news.html


Thank you, Paulette. The relocated birth chart should work fine for our purposes.




http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/StepmotherNatal1.gif







Very briefly:

1. Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 21 Taurus close opposes Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio.

Additionally, Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint is partile conjunct Asteroid NEMESIS, showing her temper/brutality/cruel nature (Mars/Saturn) is her downfall (Nemesis).

2. Stepmother's JUPITER (the expansion principle) 28 Leo is conjoined by Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29 Leo, showing exaggerated and/or excessive (Jupiter) meanness/cruelty/brutality (Toro).

3. Stepmother's natal PLUTO 20 Virgo partile conjuncts Zahra's natal CERES suggesting a controlling, if not destructive mother-figure.

CERES 22 Libra in Stepmother's chart opposes exactly her own natal SATURN 22 Aries, suggesting Stepmother's total lack of ability to nurture a child. Note: the planets inhabit the sunrise 5th-11th axis, children/stepchildren, respectively, and in intercepted signs which hinder the planets' expression in any healthy/productive manner.

4. #3 above is strengthened by another configuration in Zahra's natal chart (not shown), namely CERES 20 Virgo square HADES 18 Gemini. If this doesn't describe the "Mother From Hell," I don't know what does....




To be continued,
Thanks,
Soulscape

tiredblondy
10-13-2010, 02:11 PM
We have a picture of her taken with a black eye and swollen face August 9 by a neighbor. I suspect (but do not know for sure) that is one of the last times anyone saw her. Does this help?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-cops-search-wood-chipper-mulch/story?id=11868397

nursebeeme
10-13-2010, 02:18 PM
We have a picture of her taken with a black eye and swollen face August 9 by a neighbor. I suspect that is one of the last times anyone saw her alive. Does this help?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-cops-search-wood-chipper-mulch/story?id=11868397

was just coming here to post this too TB. would be interesting to see what the charts would have looked like for Zahra on this date.. as it was around this time that they got in the gun altercation, she stopped going to relatives for the weekend, and they moved away and stopped talking to other family members.

Also...

Astros, the family member that had the threats said that SM called her on friday the 8th of october (no time given) to ask her to drop the charges and this was the day before zahra was reported missing (and the fire was later that night/early morning of the next day)

wondering if it is possible to see this call in the charts as well as the fire??

tia

Soulscape
10-13-2010, 02:20 PM
We have a picture of her taken with a black eye and swollen face August 9 by a neighbor. I suspect (but do not know for sure) that is one of the last times anyone saw her. Does this help?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-cops-search-wood-chipper-mulch/story?id=11868397


It may, Tiredblondy. We can't really run a chart because we don't have a time, but the date of the live sighting may help narrow the death window.

Thank you for your assistance,
Soulscape

tiredblondy
10-13-2010, 02:26 PM
It may, Tiredblondy. We can't really run a chart because we don't have a time, but the date of the live sighting may help narrow the death window.

Thank you for your assistance,
Soulscape

How I wish I could do more!!

Is there any way Zahara can get her own Forensic Astro thread??

salvarenga
10-13-2010, 02:31 PM
From a WSOC-TV Executive Producer's Twitter Account:

Investigators back at scene in Burke County to search for Zahra Baker's body. Chopper 9skyzoom on the way.

8-13-2010 @ 2:25PM

sunsetbeach
10-13-2010, 03:04 PM
Update: Investigators searching a new spot in Burke Co. for missing girl's remains. Live report on #WSOC starting at 5.

tiredblondy
10-13-2010, 03:59 PM
Thank you so much Fifth Essence and to Soulscape and all the other forensic astrologers!

Soulscape
10-13-2010, 06:56 PM
From a WSOC-TV Executive Producer's Twitter Account:

Investigators back at scene in Burke County to search for Zahra Baker's body. Chopper 9skyzoom on the way.

8-13-2010 @ 2:25PM

Update: Investigators searching a new spot in Burke Co. for missing girl's remains. Live report on #WSOC starting at 5.


Salvarenga & Sunset: any update/news on the Burke Co. search?

Thanks,
Soulscape

salvarenga
10-13-2010, 07:28 PM
Just got back and and read that they are now draining a pond at that same area in Burke County where they were last night. SBI is going through woodchipper piece by piece. Will gather links and post once I help my daughter with homework and get her to bed.

tiredblondy
10-13-2010, 09:42 PM
Soulscape here's a good article...Imamaze just posted the link on the other thread.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/13/1758012/missing-girl-now-believed-to-be.html

Soulscape
10-13-2010, 09:57 PM
The chart below shows Zahra Baker's natal wheel, cast for sunrise in the city of her birth:



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/ZahraBakerNatal.gif


While many astrologers decline to analyze a sunrise natal, I have found repeatedly such a wheel gives useful information from a forensic astrological perspective.

I am studying this chart for abuse markers.

While the MOON range could be anywhere from 13 to 25 Aquarius, the sunrise position gives 16 Aquarius. Unless Zahra was born very late at night, the MOON would conjunct URANUS. In a young child, MOON and her aspects often describe the "mother," how the child perceives her.

MOON - URANUS gives unstable, erratic, unpredictable emotional responses and is a possible indicator of a violent relationship between child and mother. Zahra never knew when "Mother" would "snap" and hit her/ hurt her/ brutalize her. This judgment is strengthened by the Arabic Part of VIOLENCE being partile conjunct the sunrise MOON at 16 Aquarius.

The MOON in this chart 16 Aquarius squares the SUN 22 Scorpio and SATURN 12 Taurus, forming the focal point of a fixed T-square. This shows a chronic conflictual situation, one that has been going on a long time. Note also SATURN is Retrograde, a condition often seen in the charts of individuals who suffer a lack of nurture (and sometimes presence) of the Father. While some Astrologers may argue SUN is not within an acceptable orb of opposition, it is surely opposed by sign (Scorpio - Taurus) and the MOON's square to both pulls them together. This combination -- SUN - MOON - URANUS - VIOLENCE - SATURN paints an ugly picture of attack from both parents (SUN - SATURN = Father, MOON = Mother). There is no love lost between the two parents, either. The squares and opposition show great conflict between the two, and now we know factually Zahra suffered horrifically as a result.

Notice also NEPTUNE 01 Aquarius at the cusp of the sunrise 4th House partile square the Arabic Part of TORTURE 01 Scorpio. NEPTUNE disguises and hides the abuse that was going on in the home. It was worse than people suspected, but for all intents and purposes, invisible. The Stepmother's own natal NEPTUNE 24 Scorpio Rx conjunct Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio, additionally enabled her to throw up a smokescreen that fooled most of the people most of the time.....

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 17:29 Pisces opposes CERES 20 Virgo, suggesting cruelty/brutality at the hands of the Mother. (See chart above showing Stepmother's PLUTO (control, destruction) partile conjunct Zahra's CERES.)

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (rage/violence/murder) 00:50 Capricorn is partile conjunct Zahra's Secondary Progressed MIDHEAVEN at the time of the Reported Missing (based on the sunrise natal chart).

It was shortly after the Reported Missing that the brutality, abuse, torture and probable death of Zahra Baker came before the Public Eye (MIDHEAVEN).



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/TriWheelZAHRABAKER.jpg

Thanks,
Soulscape

salvarenga
10-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Thank you for the charts. I will look for more information for you. I just need a breather. I just keep thinking.....this child survived not one but two bouts of cancer....losing a limb....losing her hearing....only to be left on this Earth long enough to be tortured and murdered. I just can't wrap my mind around the why of that.

Bless all of you for reading into these horror stories to try to give us any insight into the why of things. Each of you have a true gift and I personally would like to thank each of you for all the time you dedicate here. You are wonderful and kind bunch.

Curious Me
10-14-2010, 03:22 AM
The chart below shows Zahra Baker's natal wheel, cast for sunrise in the city of her birth:



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/ZahraBakerNatal.gif


While many astrologers decline to analyze a sunrise natal, I have found repeatedly such a wheel gives useful information from a forensic astrological perspective.

I am studying this chart for abuse markers.

While the MOON range could be anywhere from 13 to 25 Aquarius, the sunrise position gives 16 Aquarius. Unless Zahra was born very late at night, the MOON would conjunct URANUS. In a young child, MOON and her aspects often describe the "mother," how the child perceives her.

MOON - URANUS gives unstable, erratic, unpredictable emotional responses and is a possible indicator of a violent relationship between child and mother. Zahra never knew when "Mother" would "snap" and hit her/ hurt her/ brutalize her. This judgment is strengthened by the Arabic Part of VIOLENCE being partile conjunct the sunrise MOON at 16 Aquarius.

The MOON in this chart 16 Aquarius squares the SUN 22 Scorpio and SATURN 12 Taurus, forming the focal point of a fixed T-square. This shows a chronic conflictual situation, one that has been going on a long time. Note also SATURN is Retrograde, a condition often seen in the charts of individuals who suffer a lack of nurture (and sometimes presence) of the Father. While some Astrologers may argue SUN is not within an acceptable orb of opposition, it is surely opposed by sign (Scorpio - Taurus) and the MOON's square to both pulls them together. This combination -- SUN - MOON - URANUS - VIOLENCE - SATURN paints an ugly picture of attack from both parents (SUN - SATURN = Father, MOON = Mother). There is no love lost between the two parents, either. The squares and opposition show great conflict between the two, and now we know factually Zahra suffered horrifically as a result.

Notice also NEPTUNE 01 Aquarius at the cusp of the sunrise 4th House partile square the Arabic Part of TORTURE 01 Scorpio. NEPTUNE disguises and hides the abuse that was going on in the home. It was worse than people suspected, but for all intents and purposes, invisible. The Stepmother's own natal NEPTUNE 24 Scorpio Rx conjunct Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio, additionally enabled her to throw up a smokescreen that fooled most of the people most of the time.....

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 17:29 Pisces opposes CERES 20 Virgo, suggesting cruelty/brutality at the hands of the Mother. (See chart above showing Stepmother's PLUTO (control, destruction) partile conjunct Zahra's CERES.)

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (rage/violence/murder) 00:50 Capricorn is partile conjunct Zahra's Secondary Progressed MIDHEAVEN at the time of the Reported Missing (based on the sunrise natal chart).

It was shortly after the Reported Missing that the brutality, abuse, torture and probable death of Zahra Baker came before the Public Eye (MIDHEAVEN).




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/TriWheelZAHRABAKER.jpg


Thanks,
Soulscape




Thank You Soulscape.

Curious Me
10-14-2010, 03:37 AM
Soulscape, I appreciate the way you mark important points. I've learned so much from you and all the astrologers, but still not enough to fathom how you do it. I'm always left in awe with my mouth open.

I am clinging to some idea that Zahra had a gentler beginning to her life before. She has such a beautiful smile and spirit that shines through that makes me hope she was loved by her family back home. Was she always abused?

Soulscape
10-14-2010, 06:52 AM
Soulscape, I appreciate the way you mark important points. I've learned so much from you and all the astrologers, but still not enough to fathom how you do it. I'm always left in awe with my mouth open.

I am clinging to some idea that Zahra had a gentler beginning to her life before. She has such a beautiful smile and spirit that shines through that makes me hope she was loved by her family back home. Was she always abused?



Hello Curious,

We would have to have more information about her early life to answer your question, for example, who did she live with prior to the exodus from Oz, (was there any support system outside the Father), how long was bio-Mom in the picture and how did she treat Zahra, what does bio-Mom's chart look like, when was the onset of Zahra's cancer, etc.

What I can tell you is the abuse markers in the natal chart --- showing potential of abuse --- were there from birth. Perhaps they were not set off until Father's energies hooked up with Stepmother's and the frustration and probable resentment of dealing with a seriously sick child, combined with the (recently revealed) drug abuse issues involving Stepmother (and probably Father) escalated the whole situation out of whack.

We just don't know........


Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
10-14-2010, 10:16 AM
This article says the Grandmother back in AU (mother of AdamB.) said he and StepM moved to this current residence about 6weeks ago.
Also says little is known about the Bio-Mom.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/breaking-news/police-search-property-looking-for-remains-of-missing-


Six weeks ago moved to the residence per neighbors. (I can't find an early article where one of the current neighbors had said they had spoken to AdamB several times across the fence and he never mentioned having a daughter and never saw her on the property.)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/the-hunt-is-on-for-missing-girl-zahra-baker/story-e6freuzi-1225937869795


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/14/1761256/zahras-grandmother-we-want-our.html
Her paternal grandparents, Karen and Tony Baker lived a short distance north of Sydney, in the coastal town of Newcastle. But they moved in May 2004 to Giru, several hundred miles farther north, along the northeast coast of Australia.
Adam, one of their four sons, moved to Giru about the same time with Zahra. The girl's biological mother was not part of her upbringing, family members have said.

Karen Baker (grandmother)told the Bulletin, a newspaper based in Townsville, a large city near Giru, that she was responsible for much of Zahra's upbringing, caring for the child while her father worked in a nearby sugar mill.


*Have not found any news reports as to who was caring for ZAHRA the first 4 years of her life outside of her father before moving to Giru where her grandparents took on the responsibility.

Frigga
10-14-2010, 11:21 AM
Hello Curious,

We would have to have more information about her early life to answer your question, for example, who did she live with prior to the exodus from Oz, (was there any support system outside the Father), how long was bio-Mom in the picture and how did she treat Zahra, what does bio-Mom's chart look like, when was the onset of Zahra's cancer, etc.

What I can tell you is the abuse markers in the natal chart --- showing potential of abuse --- were there from birth. Perhaps they were not set off until Father's energies hooked up with Stepmother's and the frustration and probable resentment of dealing with a seriously sick child, combined with the (recently revealed) drug abuse issues involving Stepmother (and probably Father) escalated the whole situation out of whack.


We just don't know........


Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, is it possible for you to explain/identify possible/potential abuse markers and what they look like to us?

I know you always point things out to us in each individual chart, but could you be a bit more specific about what jumps off the page at you in certain charts in regards to this?

Are there markers in charts that point to sexual abuse potential in an individuals charts? Thank you for all you do, I am paying attention and attempting to learn~ Katrina

Jenny60123
10-14-2010, 11:51 AM
The chart below shows Zahra Baker's natal wheel, cast for sunrise in the city of her birth:



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/ZahraBakerNatal.gif


While many astrologers decline to analyze a sunrise natal, I have found repeatedly such a wheel gives useful information from a forensic astrological perspective.

I am studying this chart for abuse markers.

While the MOON range could be anywhere from 13 to 25 Aquarius, the sunrise position gives 16 Aquarius. Unless Zahra was born very late at night, the MOON would conjunct URANUS. In a young child, MOON and her aspects often describe the "mother," how the child perceives her.

MOON - URANUS gives unstable, erratic, unpredictable emotional responses and is a possible indicator of a violent relationship between child and mother. Zahra never knew when "Mother" would "snap" and hit her/ hurt her/ brutalize her. This judgment is strengthened by the Arabic Part of VIOLENCE being partile conjunct the sunrise MOON at 16 Aquarius.

The MOON in this chart 16 Aquarius squares the SUN 22 Scorpio and SATURN 12 Taurus, forming the focal point of a fixed T-square. This shows a chronic conflictual situation, one that has been going on a long time. Note also SATURN is Retrograde, a condition often seen in the charts of individuals who suffer a lack of nurture (and sometimes presence) of the Father. While some Astrologers may argue SUN is not within an acceptable orb of opposition, it is surely opposed by sign (Scorpio - Taurus) and the MOON's square to both pulls them together. This combination -- SUN - MOON - URANUS - VIOLENCE - SATURN paints an ugly picture of attack from both parents (SUN - SATURN = Father, MOON = Mother). There is no love lost between the two parents, either. The squares and opposition show great conflict between the two, and now we know factually Zahra suffered horrifically as a result.

Notice also NEPTUNE 01 Aquarius at the cusp of the sunrise 4th House partile square the Arabic Part of TORTURE 01 Scorpio. NEPTUNE disguises and hides the abuse that was going on in the home. It was worse than people suspected, but for all intents and purposes, invisible. The Stepmother's own natal NEPTUNE 24 Scorpio Rx conjunct Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio, additionally enabled her to throw up a smokescreen that fooled most of the people most of the time.....

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 17:29 Pisces opposes CERES 20 Virgo, suggesting cruelty/brutality at the hands of the Mother. (See chart above showing Stepmother's PLUTO (control, destruction) partile conjunct Zahra's CERES.)

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (rage/violence/murder) 00:50 Capricorn is partile conjunct Zahra's Secondary Progressed MIDHEAVEN at the time of the Reported Missing (based on the sunrise natal chart).

It was shortly after the Reported Missing that the brutality, abuse, torture and probable death of Zahra Baker came before the Public Eye (MIDHEAVEN).



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/TriWheelZAHRABAKER.jpg

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you for the chart. I am horrified by what this little survivor went through. I believe there is a special place in hell for monsters who would do this to a child with one leg, who cannot hear, and has survived cancer! God rest her poor soul.

sherbetjello
10-14-2010, 11:51 AM
I am not too sure if this has been analyzed or not, I haven't been able to keep track/pace with the flow of information, but has a chart been drawn from the 911 call and the fire in the backyard?

"Elisa Baker originally told police that she last saw Zahra, who also suffered from bone cancer and had a prosthetic leg, sleeping in her bed around 2:30 a.m. Saturday morning, three hours before a brush fire in the backyard of the family home was reported. Hours after the fire Adam Baker called police to report Zahra missing."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019330-504083.html

And, I found the WS timeline:

NC Zahra Baker timeline and media links only - No Discussion - - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

"saturday 9 october: 0500ish am there is a brush fire reported on a mulch pile behind
the house. LE called by FD at 0520 because they found gas
poured inside one of the vehicles and a ransom note. Adam's boss
and daughter are named in the note. They are checked on and
ok. LE/FD leave around 0640. Zahra is never checked on."

TY, nursebeeme.

salvarenga
10-14-2010, 12:08 PM
Channel 9 has been able to confirm from police that the missing Hickory girl, Zahra Clare Baker, did make the move to Hickory with her family from Sawmills and have confirmed that she was alive as recently as mid September.Police are still working to narrow their timeline since the 10-year-old disabled girl went missing.Police said that the father, Adam Baker, has been 100 percent cooperative and has spent the majority of his time with investigators.Police also told Channel 9 that they have more search warrants but those court documents have been sealed by a judge.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25389806/detail.html

Curious Me
10-14-2010, 05:07 PM
Again, thanks so much, Soulscape.

article in today's news:

Cops: N.C. girl may have been alive in mid-Sept.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39673288/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

"Police say the girl, who used hearing aids and a prosthetic leg because of bone cancer, has been killed."

Curious Me
10-14-2010, 05:14 PM
The part I don't understand yet was why the parents even reported Zahra missing. The police had been out to their property in the early morning because of that mulch fire, but then the parents decided to report her missing in afternoon. Why? Nobody seemed to be aware of Zahra living there. The father wanting to report his daughter missing might mean he was truly concerned. Don't know enough yet.

RoxyBlues
10-14-2010, 06:40 PM
I've been researching this case and it seems that nobody has verified that Zahra's biological mother is alive, or has been informed.
Seems everyone just *believes* Adam Bakers side of the story -- that she abandoned Zahra when she discovered Zahra had cancer.
But I don't buy it. It think someone needs to find this woman verify that she is even alive. Even investigative reports state they *believe* her biological mother lives in Australia. But it seems nobody has actually talked to her.
My question: Is there proof she abandoned Zahra? Or did she just disappear 10 years ago, and Adam decided to tell that story to his mother????
I think there is reason to question the validity of anything this guy says. I just wish someone can verify this.
I'd like to be wrong. But women who *abaondon* their children and are never heard from again are rare.
Even the worst drug addicts I've known who left their children get bouts of conscience and curiosity.
All I'm saying is why do we believe the guy with the *bloody wood chipper*
We need sleuths to verify this woman is alive and has been informed.
We need LE to verify this woman has been seen in the past 10 years.
I'm nervous this may be a part of what went wrong.
did Zahra want to establish contact with her bio mom.
Did Zahra's curiosity become a liability?

kcsmom76
10-14-2010, 07:35 PM
I'm just so sick over this whole thing. I mean this case has just killed me. I can't believe this precious girl hasn't been found. Can you tell me if she will be found? Will there be closure in this case? Thanks you all so much for ALL you do. You really help us all out here who can't see "the light at the end of the tunnel." :*(

Soulscape
10-14-2010, 10:53 PM
Soulscape, is it possible for you to explain/identify possible/potential abuse markers and what they look like to us?

I know you always point things out to us in each individual chart, but could you be a bit more specific about what jumps off the page at you in certain charts in regards to this?

Are there markers in charts that point to sexual abuse potential in an individuals charts? Thank you for all you do, I am paying attention and attempting to learn~ Katrina


Hello Frigga,

First, we need to remind everyone that any and all aspects in a natal chart have positive as well as negative manifestations and that, in general, people learn to work with their energies with varying degrees of success.

The majority of the charts we work with here on the Forensic Astrology Forum, however, belong to either victims or perpetrators. In such charts, unfortunately, the energy patterns tend to manifest more in the negative direction.

I can't stress enough, you need to have a certain amount of knowledge of the person's background and life experiences up to the point of the crime, the more knowledge, the better, in order to make sense of the charts. Fortunately, with the excellent sleuthing done here on Websleuths, we are often able to learn much about the key players in the cases we study, which helps us make reasonable judgments as we read the charts.

Abuse and/or violence can be mental, emotional, verbal, psychological, physical and/or sexual. A chart containing such markers could be that of a victim or perpetrator or both --- there is often no clear way to tell other than by studying the facts of the case.

We can see by looking at Stepmother's chart clear and copious evidence of abuse/violence and we know by the facts she is a perpetrator. Could she have also been a victim of such as well? Absolutely --- but at this point we do not have the nitty-gritty background information on her that could help answer that question.

The Father's chart, which I have not yet posted nor commented upon, contains red flags as well. Was he involved? I believe so, and an upcoming look and analysis will give my reasons.

With Zahra, we know she was a victim. Some of the obvious markers were the afflictions amongst SUN-MOON-URANUS-SATURN. Additionally, her SUN is in a violent sign (Scorpio), which can be a marker as well.

Note well: this does not mean that anyone with SUN - MOON - ASCENDANT in a violent sign (Aries, Scorpio, Capricorn) will perpetrate and/or suffer violence!! As I've stated repeatedly, we cannot read charts blindly and we cannot make assessments based on a couple of chart factors. I do not encourage anyone to start pulling out the natal charts of everyone & their brother looking for these markers unless (a) they know what they're doing, and (b) have enough knowledge of the life circumstances of the chart owner to make sensible deductions!

In general, I look for afflictions to SUN, MOON, ASCENDANT (when I have a true birth time), particularly from MARS, SATURN and PLUTO. When VENUS is involved in the pattern, there is often a sexual component (e.g., a rape victim or a rapist). VENUS - URANUS combined with NEPTUNE afflictions often are seen in charts of pedophiles. The more afflicted the SUN and/or MOON, the more likely the chart owner has a problem. A sorely afflicted MERCURY (the thinking process) is sometimes involved.

Some red flags for abuse/violence include:

SUN - MARS aspects (any, even the "soft" aspects)
MARS and/or PLUTO and/or SATURN in harsh aspect to MOON
MARS in harsh aspect to PLUTO and/or SATURN
SUN-MOON afflictions
SUN and/or MOON and/or ASCENDANT (in timed charts) in violent signs
SUN and/or MOON and/or ASCENDANT (in timed charts) conjunct malefic Fixed Stars
Afflictions to SUN - MOON - ASCENDANT (in timed charts) from Asteroid TORO (brutality)
Certain midpoint structures including but not limited to MARS/SATURN, MARS/PLUTO, MARS/NEPTUNE, MARS/URANUS, SATURN/PLUTO

Working with charts of victims and perpetrators over a period of time allows you to see patterns which tend to play out in some shape or form, over & over. While there are always exceptions, in general, you will see many and/or serious afflictions in such charts.

Hope this helps,

Thanks,
Soulscape

Frigga
10-14-2010, 11:38 PM
Soulscape,

Thank you, your explanation is very helpful and I will keep in mind all that you said.

Everything you said makes sense and I will probably read it over and over again. I understand about the context and energies being positive or negative/ victim or perpetrator- sometimes both. I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond and in such great detail, it helps so much to have a better understanding.

Thanks for the charts for Zahra, I really wish life could have turned out differently for her... that she could have 'changed her stars'. I have to believe there is a reason for everything, just sometimes it seems to allude me. I hope she is in the loving arms of God, maybe going over the why of it all... maybe just enjoying some peace and joy.

Thanks again!

Curious Me
10-15-2010, 06:22 AM
I've been researching this case and it seems that nobody has verified that Zahra's biological mother is alive, or has been informed.
Seems everyone just *believes* Adam Bakers side of the story -- that she abandoned Zahra when she discovered Zahra had cancer.
But I don't buy it. It think someone needs to find this woman verify that she is even alive. Even investigative reports state they *believe* her biological mother lives in Australia. But it seems nobody has actually talked to her.
My question: Is there proof she abandoned Zahra? Or did she just disappear 10 years ago, and Adam decided to tell that story to his mother????
I think there is reason to question the validity of anything this guy says. I just wish someone can verify this.
I'd like to be wrong. But women who *abaondon* their children and are never heard from again are rare.
Even the worst drug addicts I've known who left their children get bouts of conscience and curiosity.
All I'm saying is why do we believe the guy with the *bloody wood chipper*
We need sleuths to verify this woman is alive and has been informed.
We need LE to verify this woman has been seen in the past 10 years.
I'm nervous this may be a part of what went wrong.
did Zahra want to establish contact with her bio mom.
Did Zahra's curiosity become a liability?

Welcome RoxyBlues. What good questions you raise.

Who knows, maybe Zahra's bio Mom wanted to keep her baby and get child support. Then, she just disappearred one day. We don't know what we're dealing with yet. What kind of father did Zahra have? One that raised her and protected and loved her? One that used her as an opportunity taking her away from people who loved her?

It'd be something if her bio Mom came forward now. Zahra must've longed to know her.

I'm afraid of what Soulscape may see to confirm this feeling I have about Zahra's father, but will hang on every word the stars can tell us that would explain why this happened to Zahra. What I have heard of the treatment of Zahra has been bad enough from the SM, let alone if Dad supported this abusive treatment.

I hope they find her. Is there anyway to know that at this point?

Paintr
10-15-2010, 09:45 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/aussie-mums-fear-for-zahra-baker/story-e6frf7l6-1225939356137

North Carolina police officer Clyde Deal told the Herald Sun he had spoken with the mother and her sister in Australia.



"Like any parent, she was extremely upset," he said.

Captain Deal said Zahra's mother and father, Adam Baker, separated when Zahra was a baby, but she maintained contact with her daughter over the years.

flying monkey
10-15-2010, 10:48 AM
SoulScape~

I understand we don't have the birth times and such, and readings are somewhat limited, but is there any way this child was sexually abused?

Aside from just being mental, I'm wondering what set this woman off in such a rage, and how the father just stood around and allowed this treatment of his daughter.

Weither real or imagined, is there a sexual componenet to this chart?

salvarenga
10-15-2010, 02:20 PM
This video was posted to WSOC's website on 10/11. It is a raw interview that they did with AB. It appears to be on the same day he went on GMA b/c he has the same shirt on. He has an interesting slip up. Take a look or read below:

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25403061/index.html

AB: I know there was a fire in the yard…and we went back to bed..and I got up and went to work. We didn’t get to bed till 7:30 that morning . So I had to go get some kind of sleep. Um, normally I’ll go to work and her mum will look after Zahra. I came back to do some work in the yard with one of our pieces of equipment and her mum came running out telling me she was missing. That’s pretty much…the whole 100%.... of what I completely know… so far. Everything else is just little bits and pieces coming.

Reporter: When was the last time you personally saw your daughter?

AB: Well I….100%...genuinely saw my daughter out of bed would have been Tuesday.

Reporter: TUESDAY

(AB nods head yes.)
AB: And normally I come in late and she’s in bed so I’ll open the door and check on her. Um, I think she was there Friday night. I opened the door. It looked like she was in the bed. She also had a stomach virus lately. So when she’s sick I don’t want to disturb her at all after everything she’s been through.

Reporter: Now do you mean Tuesday or Thursday?

AB: Pauses and has to think about it. I saw her Thursday….sorry I’ve had very, very little sleep.

**Tuesday, would have been 10/05. Could this have been a slip up on his part? Do the charts show anything? Bolded comments are what I find interesting.**

Curious Me
10-15-2010, 03:30 PM
An article about the 2009 neighbors of the Bakers that think Zahra might've lived in a crawl space over the closet in a tiny attic area.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/14/19/neighbors-wonder-if-zahra-kept-attic-ar-458767/

Virgogalsue
10-16-2010, 04:50 PM
Hi Soulscape,

This recent article states that SM was born in Burke County.
It has also been reporrted that a storekeeper saw Zahra in her shop 2 weeks before she was reported missing (Sept 25th) which would mean that her time of death had to be between Sept 25th and October 9th.

Does this help at all?? Thanks for all the hard work you have been doing!

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13329351

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

I hope that this helps!

Toi
10-17-2010, 02:36 AM
This woman says that she saw her 2 weeks before in a furniture store. In the video report she states it was between 11:00 & 12:00 that morning.http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/17/1767640/woman-may-have-been-last-to-see.html

justaparent
10-17-2010, 01:36 PM
I've been researching this case and it seems that nobody has verified that Zahra's biological mother is alive, or has been informed.
Seems everyone just *believes* Adam Bakers side of the story -- that she abandoned Zahra when she discovered Zahra had cancer.
But I don't buy it. It think someone needs to find this woman verify that she is even alive. Even investigative reports state they *believe* her biological mother lives in Australia. But it seems nobody has actually talked to her.
My question: Is there proof she abandoned Zahra? Or did she just disappear 10 years ago, and Adam decided to tell that story to his mother????

I saw one news story that claimed Zhara's biological mother and her mother's sister released a statement that they were very worried about the reports (my words, can't remember to quote). The same news story said that the mother had seen Zhara throughout the years. But, I can't remember now where I saw that (I believe it was an Australian news site) and I have only seen the one story about it... have doubts. There was also a local story that said LE had contacted the mother, she was in Australia, and not a suspect.

Janet

justaparent
10-17-2010, 01:43 PM
This is one story, appears to be an updated version of what I saw earlier. No real info though (regarding the bi0logical).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/aussie-mums-fear-for-zahra-baker/story-e6frf7l6-1225939455790

Kamille
10-18-2010, 01:00 PM
This woman says that she saw her 2 weeks before in a furniture store. In the video report she states it was between 11:00 & 12:00 that morning.http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/17/1767640/woman-may-have-been-last-to-see.html

That article also indicates that there was another woman with them at the store. If this is true, that woman never came forward to say that she had been there with them. Is there any indication that there may be another person involved?

Toi
10-18-2010, 01:06 PM
That article also indicates that there was another woman with them at the store. If this is true, that woman never came forward to say that she had been there with them. Is there any indication that there may be another person involved?


I took it as she was referring to the "mom" and the daughter. I'm not sure tho. People are SICK!

Kamille
10-18-2010, 07:30 PM
I took it as she was referring to the "mom" and the daughter. I'm not sure tho. People are SICK!

Another article that states there was another woman with them at the furniture store.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/18/1771322/canine-teams-continue-search-for.html#ixzz12kqBVOXo

VidaRose
10-19-2010, 02:54 PM
Dear Group,
I have been reading and studying your posts for months now and I have to say again that you are amazing. I am learning quite a bit. In reading the post by Soulscape on some aspects that could be red flags for violence and abuse I have become worried about my own chart. I know that we are not allowed to read each other’s charts however I was wondering if anyone could steer me to an outside option who I could trust to do this? I see many aspects that Zhara has and even similar things in my chart to Morgan Harrington; although I am not trained to read it correctly I am sure. Because I have always been so interested in solving crimes and catching the animals who commit them now I am really afraid it is because I have charted something similar for myself. Would any of you offer me a suggestion? I do not want to find a random person on the internet that I do not know anything about. I trust your opinions in here.

PS. Zhara does have eyes that really sparkle despite everything. When you look into them, even in photo’s you feel warmth. She is probably an old soul who charted this in order for something very good to come out of it. On the other hand you can also see the utter blankness in the eyes of some perpetrators. If the eyes are the windows to the soul there is nobody home!

Virgogalsue
10-20-2010, 12:37 AM
Dear Soulscape,

Does any of this information help?
If you have time, can you please update us, astrologically?

What other information will you need if you wanted to update poor little Zahra's chart?

Thank you! xxooxxooo

FifthEssence
10-20-2010, 05:01 AM
Dear Group,
I have been reading and studying your posts for months now and I have to say again that you are amazing. I am learning quite a bit. In reading the post by Soulscape on some aspects that could be red flags for violence and abuse I have become worried about my own chart. I know that we are not allowed to read each other’s charts however I was wondering if anyone could steer me to an outside option who I could trust to do this? I see many aspects that Zhara has and even similar things in my chart to Morgan Harrington; although I am not trained to read it correctly I am sure. Because I have always been so interested in solving crimes and catching the animals who commit them now I am really afraid it is because I have charted something similar for myself. Would any of you offer me a suggestion? I do not want to find a random person on the internet that I do not know anything about. I trust your opinions in here.

PS. Zhara does have eyes that really sparkle despite everything. When you look into them, even in photo’s you feel warmth. She is probably an old soul who charted this in order for something very good to come out of it. On the other hand you can also see the utter blankness in the eyes of some perpetrators. If the eyes are the windows to the soul there is nobody home!


I think you are troubling yourself unnecessarily. If that was true, we'd have lots of replicas of ourselves everywhere we looked. :crosseyed:
There are way too many things to consider in one's chart when looking for answers. All because you may find for instance, Neptune in a certain sign in a certain house similar to someones case you have followed, does NOT imply the same meaning in your chart without consideration to all the other transits, degrees, aspects, midpoints, fixed stars and so on.


You might head over to The American Federation of Astrologers. Many resources are provided including links to professional associates of the organization.
http://www.astrologers.com/

Curious Me
10-20-2010, 04:04 PM
Soulscape, I think you were right again. Zahra had no one that could help her. It is NOT comforting to listen to Zahra's father's 911 call to report her missing. It's very sad to know this little girl was caught in the middle of this crazy couple, and so alone with big problems fighting for her life one way or another. It does break my heart.

Curious to know whether the father's chart would spell out that he's not as dumb or innocent as he acts. Waiting.

nursebeeme
10-20-2010, 04:11 PM
today around ten am I caught a reporter tweet that they were searching the landfill (caldwell county).

Numerous articles have said the search started concurrent with SM's bond reduction hearing (she was second up and court started at 9 am).

LE is looking for a specific piece of evidence based on interviews and there were at least five agencies involved in the search.

Here is a link to the presser that happened at one pm today:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/20/18/authorities-search-caldwell-co-landfill-ar-468487/

VidaRose
10-21-2010, 03:44 PM
Sorry for the duplicate text here I don't know how to remove it :-(

VidaRose
10-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Zhara's step sister does not want mom released from jail

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/21/102395/dont-free-my-mother-says-zahra.html

Thank you FifthEssence for the advice.
VidaRose

nursebeeme
10-21-2010, 03:56 PM
today around ten am I caught a reporter tweet that they were searching the landfill (caldwell county).

Numerous articles have said the search started concurrent with SM's bond reduction hearing (she was second up and court started at 9 am).

LE is looking for a specific piece of evidence based on interviews and there were at least five agencies involved in the search.

Here is a link to the presser that happened at one pm today:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/20/18/authorities-search-caldwell-co-landfill-ar-468487/
supposedly they may be looking for a mattress

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Paulette
10-21-2010, 08:44 PM
I'm just watching NG this minute. Evidently EB was visited by a death penalty lawyer today. LE is looking in a secret spot (won't tell public) for Zahra today.

Darned if I can remember her (DPL) name, will come back with a link soon.

Curious Me
10-21-2010, 08:51 PM
Dobs, a woman attorney with offices in the NC area, but I forget her first name.

Curious Me
10-21-2010, 09:04 PM
Attorney - Lisa A Dobs was said to have visited EB, but not sure I can find it in print.

Apparently, it was reported and this link given.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25451534/detail.html

Carolina Girl
10-21-2010, 09:36 PM
As I rode through Hickory today, my thoughts and prayers went out for Zahra, the people searching for her, and the people that love her. I pray they find her.

nursebeeme
10-21-2010, 09:44 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Zahra Claire Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 # 19

I transcribed the gma interview with AB (to look at statement comparison between interview and the 911 call) if that helps at all...

Paulette
10-21-2010, 11:22 PM
Sorry, the NG transcript for 10-21-2010 isn't up yet. Will look in the morning.

tlcya
10-22-2010, 12:15 AM
I am clueless as to how this whole astrology thing works but I always check the astrology site of any case I am following and lurk, checking out the charts.

Can I just say I feel so badly we don't have dates, times, etc to offer about critical areas of this case.

I know your hands are mostly tied without correct info. It is crucial to chart.

flying monkey
10-22-2010, 08:28 AM
SoulScape~

Is there any way we can possibly look into the the father's chart to see what he's about?
Just basic personality traits.

Also, in the stepmother's chart, I know she was born under the sign of the twins, the sign of duality.

Apparently, some guy in England has sent her $10,000.00 in the last year. Does her chart offer any insight into this? (What the monies were for)

Does her chart show incarceration or if this case will be tried as a death penalty case?

Does the SM chart show any similarities to any known serial killers?

Thanks in advance,
FM

LiveLaughLuv
10-22-2010, 10:19 AM
During EB's bond hearing, her daughter told of the money EB received from this man in London..the same week Zahra went "missing", she picked up money sent to her...wondering if this is another online romance...JMHO

Wondering if anyone of our Astros can follow the money trail and why it was given to EB??? I speculate, she may have been getting ready to go to London, as she told her daughter she wanted to leave the state...JMHO

There was one other interesting development at the hearing this morning. Details were released that Elisa Baker has received more than $10,000 from a man in London, including money received as recently as the past week. The man was referred to as "Carlisle Fullman" during today's bond hearing.

It's unclear what relationship, if any, the two have. Baker met her husband, Zahra's father Adam, as part of an online relationship in Australia.
Read more: http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/10/20/2545375/investigators-search-landfill.html#ixzz1364loBNx


Thanking you all for ALL that you do....JMHO

Where is Zahra??

Leomoon80
10-22-2010, 02:21 PM
SoulScape~

Is there any way we can possibly look into the the father's chart to see what he's about?
Just basic personality traits.

Also, in the stepmother's chart, I know she was born under the sign of the twins, the sign of duality.

Apparently, some guy in England has sent her $10,000.00 in the last year. Does her chart offer any insight into this? (What the monies were for)

Does her chart show incarceration or if this case will be tried as a death penalty case?

Does the SM chart show any similarities to any known serial killers?

Thanks in advance,
FM

Do we know the dates of birth for Mr & Mrs Baker? Father and Stepmother of Zahra Baker?

Extrasuper
10-22-2010, 03:01 PM
This little girl has taken my heart. May, " Zahra, Angel Unaware", always be in the heart of us all. Thank you astrologers for keeping us up-to-date on all forums. Your the best.

Andromeda
10-22-2010, 03:17 PM
I'm not sure if this is okay. This is an interview Zahra Claire Baker's relative, Brittany Bentley, did for some newscast. She speaks out about abuse Zahra received from her stepmom before coming up missing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Dg8kNhNI4

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Brittany also states that she had filed complaints against Elisa Baker for uttering threats against her, i.e., Elisa Baker confronted Brittany at a store with a taser, told her that she had a gun in the car and then told her that she knew where she lived and that she could kill her, her friend and her baby. Brittany was staying with her mom at the time because she was estranged from her husband (who is Elisa Baker's nephew).

Brittany also states that Adam Baker tried to run her and her estranged husband down with his car. So there was a complaint filed against him as well.

This video is really difficult to listen to. DSS was called more than once by family and for some reason they never removed Zahra. Even when she had the black eye.

Interesting timeline that is established though. Elisa Baker telephones Brittany Bentley to convince her to drop the charges, Brittany Bentley declines and then the next morning Zahra is "missing".

westsidefox64
10-22-2010, 03:34 PM
Do we know the dates of birth for Mr & Mrs Baker? Father and Stepmother of Zahra Baker?

his is 8/6/77 hers is 6/6/68

Paulette
10-22-2010, 03:42 PM
his is 8/6/77 hers is 6/6/68

Are you sure those are correct? Funny that - on some of the arrest reports there are 2 different birthdates. One said July 6, 1977 & one said 1986. For her, it was 1966 or 1968.

Leomoon80
10-22-2010, 03:47 PM
Are you sure those are correct? Funny that - on some of the arrest reports there are 2 different birthdates. One said July 6, 1977 & one said 1986. For her, it was 1966 or 1968.

I saw the same thing....and sent you a link on PM.

She seems to be correct, but he is in question. For certain he isn't 24, lol.

FifthEssence
10-22-2010, 04:41 PM
COPIED from VINELINK which lists arrests by State:

Offender Name: ELISA ANNETTE BAKER
Offender ID:
101918
Date of Birth:
06/06/1968
Age:
42
Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Newton Detention Facility
Race:
White
Gender:
Female
Aliases
BAKER, ELISA ANNETTE PROCTOR




dates provided early on by Salvarenga:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - ZAHRA BAKER missing 10yr old Hickory, NC 10/9/10

Chart for Elisa B./ posted by SOULSCAPE
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - ZAHRA BAKER missing 10yr old Hickory, NC 10/9/10


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZAHRAStepMEB.jpg

passionflower
10-22-2010, 07:40 PM
Fox news reporting they did find the mattress of Zahra that parents threw out days
before they reported Zahra missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/22/mattress-landfill-key-evidence-case-missing-north-carolina-girl/



Full Moon is out in it's glory tonight!

flying monkey
10-23-2010, 01:28 AM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/22/police-hope-mattress-will-provide-dna-evidence-ar-477657/

By staff reports
Published: October 22, 2010


The mattress was NOT located at the landfill, according to an official with the Hickory Police Department.

flying monkey
10-23-2010, 01:37 AM
Do we know the dates of birth for Mr & Mrs Baker? Father and Stepmother of Zahra Baker?

Hi LeoMoon~

From what we've been able to locate, this is the date and place of birth for AB:

AB:

DOB: 8-6-1977

POB: Sydney, Australia

Thank You!
FM :blowkiss:

Virgogalsue
10-23-2010, 02:11 AM
Soulscape...can you help us??
We are ALL hoping for some new forensic astrology!!! xxxx

Tessie
10-23-2010, 09:55 AM
Please let this full moon uncover all that is hidden and bring this baby home.

Curious Me
10-23-2010, 03:29 PM
Posting this to confirm EB did hire a high profile attorney.

"As Elisa Baker’s bail was increased from $45,000 to $60,000 reports say that Elisa Baker has hired high profile defense attorney Lisa Dubs. Lisa Dubs is widely known for representing women who’ve been accused of murdering their children."

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=10752

westsidefox64
10-23-2010, 04:32 PM
Are you sure those are correct? Funny that - on some of the arrest reports there are 2 different birthdates. One said July 6, 1977 & one said 1986. For her, it was 1966 or 1968.

Im sorry I dont check this thread as often as i should. Im amazed by what you all do and would love to learn more about it. As for the birthdates these are accurate as far as I can come up with Ive looked several places and keep comming up with these. If for some reason Im wrong I appoligize but am reasonably sure they are right. You all do amazing work im so in awe!!!

Curious Me
10-23-2010, 04:42 PM
Dubs to defend Elisa Baker
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/23/dubs-defend-elisa-baker-ar-478734/


"Lisa Dubs confirmed Friday that she has been assigned to Baker’s case as provisional counsel. According to court records, Dubs’ role is to “Conduct a preliminary investigation, determine if the defendant is indigent and needs appointed counsel, and protect the defendant’s rights pending appointment of trial counsel.”

"Dubs is one of about 10 Catawba County attorneys permitted to defend clients facing the death penalty. Even though Baker has not been charged with Zahra’s murder, the case has gained nationwide attention and Hurley has decided that it is appropriate to appoint Dubs because of the likelihood that Baker will eventually be charged with the crime, Dubs explained."[/QUOTE]

sherbetjello
10-23-2010, 08:07 PM
*deep sigh*

Virgogalsue
10-24-2010, 12:04 AM
DOUBLE DEEP SIGH! I wish LE would give us something more to 'sleuth'!

salvarenga
10-25-2010, 10:04 AM
It appears they arrested Adam Baker this morning, 10/25/10, at 3:12AM on the outstanding warrants that he had.

BAKER,ADAM TROY 10/25/2010 21 21ST AVE NW HICKORY, NC 28601 - 33

SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51928 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51927 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51926 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51925 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

SIMPLE WORTHLESS CHECK $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51929 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

FTA: COMMUNICATING THREATS $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 51257 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

FTA: COMMUNICATING THREATS 11/18/2010 10 CR 51258 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

FTA: ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON 11/18/2010 10 CR 51258 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

FAIL TO RETURN RENTAL PROPERTY $1,000.00 11/18/2010 10 CR 50755 CALDWELL HICKORY POLICE DEPT

Source: http://injail.catawbacountync.gov/WhosInJail/ (this one will show you he's in jail) http://www.hickorypd.net/p2c/Summary.aspx (do a search hear and you will see the incident report that shows when he was arrested)

**Interesting that the address listed for him is the Police Department address.**

Can this be used to chart any additional information?

FifthEssence
10-25-2010, 11:27 AM
CLARITY: the 11/18/2010 date listed beside each charge is the upcoming COURT date.


VINELINK: (shows arrests) confirms DOB-
Offender ID:
102018
Date of Birth:
08/06/1977
Age:
33
Custody Status:
In Custody

See attached snapshot below of BOOKING notes from the Hickory PD site.

It appears they arrested Adam Baker this morning, 10/25/10, at 3:12AM on the outstanding warrants that he had.

BAKER,ADAM TROY 10/25/2010 21 21ST AVE NW HICKORY, NC 28601 - 33


Source: http://injail.catawbacountync.gov/WhosInJail/ (this one will show you he's in jail) http://www.hickorypd.net/p2c/Summary.aspx (do a search hear and you will see the incident report that shows when he was arrested)

**Interesting that the address listed for him is the Police Department address.**

Can this be used to chart any additional information?

Leomoon80
10-25-2010, 01:34 PM
Here is a natal chart I had already created for Adam Baker showing the transits for the last time Zahra was seen in public in the furniture store.

We do not know his time of birth, and if we did, we'd see far more but as it is, it's revealing I think.


The natal chart (no time of birth known) inclines towards much negativity. Lots of negative vibrations but many do, yet don’t end up like this…they work on them and even in some instances may overcome the bad parts.
He apparently is giving in to the path of least resistance.
Look here:
Sun 13Leo conjunct fixed star – exactly conjunct to AcubensFrom Constellation of Words:
Elsbeth Ebertin 1928 said in part:

conveying an unbalanced and "jumpy" nature. If the chart is a disharmonious one to people effected by it and especially if Acubens is in conjunction with Mars, Sun or Uranus, this will make for an unsettled mentality and helplessness. If in conjunction with Saturn, major disappointments in life, ordeals and trials, mental suffering, excitements, loss, opposition, disputes and deception are indicated.

The Moon’s position is unknown for exactness because we do not have the time of his birth.

Mercury – 10-11Virgo conjunct Fixed Star Zosma promising a death close to him.

Of the nature of Saturn and Venus. It causes benefit by disgrace, selfishness, egotism, immorality, meanness, melancholy, unhappiness of mind and fear of poison, and gives an unreasonable, shameless and egotistical nature. [Robson*, p.219.]

His natal Venus squares Pluto which conjuncts Vindiamiatrix, (a death) hence, love and destructive forces are co-mingled with a propensity towards trying to control others through his own actions

Mars in Gemini can be very deceitful for it also is opposed by Neptune and in his case also squares Mercury representing the lower mind.

What did Shakespeare write? Something about, when you are not true to yourself, you cannot be true to another? Well he does the opposite of being true to himself and then it played out with Zahra who he was supposed to be protecting .
A weak man for certain. Weak morals and self-deceiving then deceiving others.

Kronos conjunct Mars (within minutes) in Gemini conjunct the BML, he is inclined towards, “If it’s good for me, then to hell with everyone else including my own” and the Sun’s vibrations augment this for him.


Hades at 27 degrees Taurus . What can we surmise of this……other then
The worse with the worse and then double that as a personal effect.
Algol and Hades, can we envision worse?

Regarding the position in the chart as related to the North Node and Ceres and his desire to protect and shield those he loves and cherishes?
Seiginus is the fixed star associated with his North Node and Ceres (the nurture and protection he was supposed to give his little girl)

It gives a subtle mind, shamelessness and loss through friends and companies. [Robson*, p.207.]

How about the asteroid Medea who killed her children, in the Greek myths?
In his natal chart, lodged between Hades and Kronos, and remember, Kronos is exactly atop his natal Mars.
Medea is located in his natal - 2.38Gemini for those who study these things, in the Pleiades star cluster.
http://symposium.gardner-webb.edu/myth.html

Medea, then, is associated with light and dark, delivery and death.
Medea myth allows Euripides to use the salvific and destructive nature of love to encourage his audience to see the smoldering power of the oppressed, and the consequences of hypocrisy.


Might we be inclined then to see Juno at 16Scorpio, otherwise called by the Greeks Hera, the jealous wife, square to his own Saturn and his Sun the instigator of the disappearance of this child? I think so…….and I think his natal chart shows us that Juno is not working in his favor in this lifetime.

The position of Juno in his natal, says justice will be served for it's located in the Southern Scales of the constellation of Libra.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4774/zahrafatheradambakerdid.gif

Leomoon80
10-25-2010, 01:48 PM
See Transiting Juno over his natal Hopi, both conjunct "Regulus" the Fixed star in a natal which promises a quick rise but then a very fast fall in the life.
This happened then, on the 25th and the "fall" was related to the wife, i.e. Juno.

The fact that this asteroid was transiting over his natal Hopi, (Martha Lang Westcott)
gives Hopi an association with knives, stabbings and ambush....

Says a ton to me. :(

What about Transiting Hopi, going over his natal Vesta?Vesta, the vestial virgin Zahra,
and what did her father say about her hormones?

This statement to 911 almost makes me want to throw up

http://***************************/2010/10/zahra-baker-911-call-transcripts.html

DISPATCHER: OK, so.. No one has seen your daughter since 2:30 this morning...?

ADAM BAKER:[I] No.. like I said we, uh, had all that drama last night and we... me and my wife went back to bed. And my daughter is I think's coming into puberty.. cause she is hitting that brooding stage (laughter) so we only see her when she comes out when she wants something. And that's about it.

Paulette
10-25-2010, 02:39 PM
I just read that Le had a tip and are now searching Dudley Shoals Road.


EB has "Dudley" 28:11 Pisces. On Oct. 1st Uranus was Rx at 28:14 Pisces, with Jupiter 27:7.Pisces. Mercury 25:21 Virgo was transiting her Uranus 25:05 Virgo.

The Sun conjuncted Saturn 7:44 Libra on Oct. 1st, right at Zahra's Venus 8:00 Libra.

Asteroid "Dudley" 13:08 Libra trined Zahra's Uranus 13:07 Aquarius on Oct. 1st.

At the time AB was arrested this morning 3:12 am, Mars 27:52 Scorpio opposing the Moon 27:34 Taurus. That Moon sextiled Uranus 27:22 Pisces which formed a yod to "Dudley" 27:49 Libra. The finger of God was pointing to "Dudley".

I guess we'll hurry up and wait & see if they come up with anything.



http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25502773/index.html

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Crews-searching-Caldwell-County-in-Zahra-Baker-case-105693703.html

Frigga
10-25-2010, 02:43 PM
Thanks Paulette! Your Asteroid work is like the icing on an astrology chart cake. It always seems to round out the info from the charts rather well.

ETA: Please, lets hope that little Zahra will be found through this tip!

Paulette
10-25-2010, 02:45 PM
See Transiting Juno over his natal Hopi, both conjunct "Regulus" the Fixed star in a natal which promises a quick rise but then a very fast fall in the life.
This happened then, on the 25th and the "fall" was related to the wife, i.e. Juno.

The fact that this asteroid was transiting over his natal Hopi, (Martha Lang Westcott)
gives Hopi an association with knives, stabbings and ambush....

Says a ton to me. :(

What about Transiting Hopi, going over his natal Vesta?Vesta, the vestial virgin Zahra,
and what did her father say about her hormones?

This statement to 911 almost makes me want to throw up http://***************************/2010/10/zahra-baker-911-call-transcripts.html

DISPATCHER: OK, so.. No one has seen your daughter since 2:30 this morning...?

ADAM BAKER:[I] No.. like I said we, uh, had all that drama last night and we... me and my wife went back to bed. And my daughter is I think's coming into puberty.. cause she is hitting that brooding stage (laughter) so we only see her when she comes out when she wants something. And that's about it.

Yes, that was a stunner! "There's no urgency, just come along if you've got nothing better to do - I'll be here a waiting."

Paulette
10-25-2010, 04:31 PM
From Butterfingers post #754 M&L forum

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Zahra Baker’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, was taken out of jail and brought to the newest search site in the investigation into the disappearance of the 10-year-old girl, officers confirmed to Channel 9.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25501224/detail.html

Curious Me
10-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Thank You so much. I am relieved to hear his natal chart shows some of the things I sensed. Then, I can't really call it relief because it is a bad thing that it spells out.

hteft
10-25-2010, 09:02 PM
I can't find this online, but on the local Charlotte news, and Nancy Grace, they were talking more about the arrest of Adam Baker. Not sure if any of this can help or not, but here we go.

Police located Adam Baker at a local International airport around 1 or 2 am last night. Adam Baker told police he was there to pick some one up from overseas.

According to NG and the local newscast from 6 pm. Adam Baker willingly went to police headquarters for interview and was arrested shortly after 3 am, on unrelated charges.

The Dudley Shoals Road search for Zahra started a few hours later. I was wondering do any of the charts give insight into this?

passionflower
10-25-2010, 10:35 PM
welcome hteft

hteft
10-26-2010, 01:44 PM
According to WSOCTV in Charlotte, NC, Zahra Baker's stepmother was taken back to the search site again today.

There is a story and video located at:
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25516624/detail.html

Not sure if a chart can be done from that. I am really new at astrology.

passionflower
10-26-2010, 09:50 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25516624/detail.html

mattress believed to be Zahra's found in landfill by workers after LE leave site.

Paulette
10-27-2010, 05:10 PM
LE found her prostetic leg off Christie Road in Caldwell County.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25538458/detail.html




CONFIRMED prosthetic leg was found YESTERDAY.

Was NOT buried, found in brush.

Police news conference-
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/27/prosthesis-found-christie-road-ar-488386/

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flying monkey
10-28-2010, 05:47 AM
Hello All!

I realize this may sound crazy to some, but does Zahra's chart say anything about animals, specifically dogs?

Thanks in advance,
FM

savannahanna
10-28-2010, 05:39 PM
See Transiting Juno over his natal Hopi, both conjunct "Regulus" the Fixed star in a natal which promises a quick rise but then a very fast fall in the life.
This happened then, on the 25th and the "fall" was related to the wife, i.e. Juno.

The fact that this asteroid was transiting over his natal Hopi, (Martha Lang Westcott)
gives Hopi an association with knives, stabbings and ambush....

Says a ton to me. :(

What about Transiting Hopi, going over his natal Vesta?Vesta, the vestial virgin Zahra,
and what did her father say about her hormones?

This statement to 911 almost makes me want to throw up

http://***************************/2010/10/zahra-baker-911-call-transcripts.html

DISPATCHER: OK, so.. No one has seen your daughter since 2:30 this morning...?

ADAM BAKER:[I] No.. like I said we, uh, had all that drama last night and we... me and my wife went back to bed. And my daughter is I think's coming into puberty.. cause she is hitting that brooding stage (laughter) so we only see her when she comes out when she wants something. And that's about it.

I agree with Leomoon80, why is the comment about puberty included in the call? Is this a statement to absolve the father in his own mind of sexual interest he might have had and/or acted upon on his daughter? A strange comment to make from the father of a missing child! I am trying to learn more with atro books that I have but I do not have the skills or knowledge required to further investigate. Maybe one or our astros can further post, I am so uncomfortable about the father's statements! JMO
Savannahanna

Curious Me
10-28-2010, 06:30 PM
I am so uncomfortable with the father's demeanor, as well.

Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 06:36 PM
I am so uncomfortable with the father's demeanor, as well.

Perhaps his mind is only in the gutter pertaining to the lovely wife,(10 yrs. his senior?) he spent $10,000 on, to come to America to see and marry? She must be quite a siren if the stories are true. Supposedly a second suitor as well.
:waitasec:
The hormonal blurt may have nothing whatsoever to do with Zahra,other then symbolically, the child is a virginal child...and perhaps Vesta shows us this. She was just "in the way" apparently and jealousy may have been the motive.

As far as I recall from this story , the relative of Elisa Baker said the child was kept pretty much locked up in her room all the time. A terrible life for her, and locked up by the stepmother who may have suggested the behavior pattern was similar to a hormonal change in puberty hence, problematic as the justification for such abuse as well as letting the 911 operator know he doesn't see her much so how would he know she's even missing?
In otherwords a pre-arranged excuse for not seeing his child much.

We will need to wait for the revelations which surely will come out eventually as they are pitted against each other.

I am not making such a charge here against Adam B. the father.

Just for clarification purposes.

Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 06:46 PM
I agree with Leomoon80, why is the comment about puberty included in the call? Is this a statement to absolve the father in his own mind of sexual interest he might have had and/or acted upon on his daughter? A strange comment to make from the father of a missing child! I am trying to learn more with atro books that I have but I do not have the skills or knowledge required to further investigate. Maybe one or our astros can further post, I am so uncomfortable about the father's statements! JMO
Savannahanna

Astrological symbol of Hopi:
Accdg.to Martha Lang Wescott asteroid # 2938 and written about in the book "Forensic Astrology" by Dave Campbell (see google amazon to read some of it free)

" Keywords: associated with knives, stabbings and ambush

Therefore, Hopi conjunct or connected to Vesta (the Virgin) "may" have symbolically been pointing to a knowledge of a young female's death

Vesta keywords: Rituals, fire, sacrifice, virgins , dedication,

Paulette
10-30-2010, 10:42 PM
I've been researching this case and it seems that nobody has verified that Zahra's biological mother is alive, or has been informed.
Seems everyone just *believes* Adam Bakers side of the story -- that she abandoned Zahra when she discovered Zahra had cancer.
But I don't buy it. It think someone needs to find this woman verify that she is even alive. Even investigative reports state they *believe* her biological mother lives in Australia. But it seems nobody has actually talked to her.
My question: Is there proof she abandoned Zahra? Or did she just disappear 10 years ago, and Adam decided to tell that story to his mother????
I think there is reason to question the validity of anything this guy says. I just wish someone can verify this.
I'd like to be wrong. But women who *abaondon* their children and are never heard from again are rare.
Even the worst drug addicts I've known who left their children get bouts of conscience and curiosity.
All I'm saying is why do we believe the guy with the *bloody wood chipper*
We need sleuths to verify this woman is alive and has been informed.
We need LE to verify this woman has been seen in the past 10 years.I'm nervous this may be a part of what went wrong.
did Zahra want to establish contact with her bio mom.
Did Zahra's curiosity become a liability?

Zahra's mother tells a completely different story. Evidently she just found her days before she disappeared - if I remember correctly, she saw a photo of her getting her hearing aides. From what I've read on the M&L forum, both Biomum and Valhall have been cleared by Tricia. Valhall has a blog where Biomum posts her story.

Here is a date & place in the blog to find some info.: biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:11 }


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/#comment-84296.

Paulette
10-31-2010, 02:52 PM
Miss James, in post #103 M&L forum, points out that Zahra didn't wake up & come outside to see what all the commotion was about when the fire truck arrived to put out the fire in the morning. I think the fire truck arrived at 5:45 am. A fire truck certainly would have awakened her if she were home. Just trying to get a fix on the exact time of disappearance.

nursebeeme
10-31-2010, 07:34 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/31/8/zahra-life-australia-was-smiles-survival-family-an-ar-498884/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZAHRAinAustralia.png
(snips)
“She was the life of any camp we went on, the kids loved her,” said Camp Quality’s North Queensland manager Mark McGregor. “Other kids were so inspired by her enthusiasm and her fight to live against all odds.” He remembers what she said when other kids asked her how she could do the ropes course on one leg.
‘Because I want to,” Zahra said.

Nikki Hay, a teacher’s aide in the town of Mackay, has a daughter who was a friend and fellow cancer patient with Zahra at Camp Quality..
After one of the camps, she printed out some photos her daughter had wanted to send to Zahra.
Hay called Zahra’s grandmother and asked how she was.
“She was so upset,” Hay said. “She explained to me that her son had remarried and they had taken off overseas quite abruptly and she didn’t have any idea exactly where they were.”
Hay told her story in an e-mail to Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins recently.

Zahra’s father had hit it off with a Hickory woman, the former Elisa Fairchild. They met on IMVU.com, an online community where people interact with each other in the form of 3-D avatars.
She was a 40-something woman who called herself a gothic fairy, and selected an avatar with red angel wings and a stylish gown to go with his online persona, which was clad in a black duster with bat-wings.
She told friends he was her soulmate, the one she wanted to spend her life with, the one who made her smile when she heard or spoke his name.
“who says long distance relationships dont work,” she wrote on her MySpace page, which was adorned with skulls and crossbones and backed by the thumping music of Rob Zombie’s song “Living Dead Girl.”

Elisa went to visit in 2008.
In Giru, the Bakers’ friend Kim Wright thought that Elisa wasn’t telling the truth about who she was.
She claimed to be a police officer shot in the line of duty. She said she was a bounty hunter.
They married in July 2008 in the backyard of Adam’s parent’s house in Giru, not far from the sugar mill. That November, they moved some 10,000 miles to North Carolina.
Zahra didn’t want to leave her grandparents and friends, Wright said.

MissJames
10-31-2010, 10:16 PM
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/31/8/zahra-life-australia-was-smiles-survival-family-an-ar-498884/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZAHRAinAustralia.png
(snips)
“She was the life of any camp we went on, the kids loved her,” said Camp Quality’s North Queensland manager Mark McGregor. “Other kids were so inspired by her enthusiasm and her fight to live against all odds.” He remembers what she said when other kids asked her how she could do the ropes course on one leg.
‘Because I want to,” Zahra said.

I'm so glad she had SOME happy experiences .Thank you for sharing.

MissJames
10-31-2010, 10:22 PM
Miss James, in post #103 M&L forum, points out that Zahra didn't wake up & come outside to see what all the commotion was about when the fire truck arrived to put out the fire in the morning. I think the fire truck arrived at 5:45 am. A fire truck certainly would have awakened her if she were home. Just trying to get a fix on the exact time of disappearance.

Allow me to clarify....I don't believe EB's story about checking on Zahra at 2:30.I believe that was a cover story made up after Zahra was gone.That's why I don't believe she was even there when the firetrucks came. I believe she was already dead at the hands of one or both adults in the home.
Having said that......let me catch up on what our brilliant astrologers have found.I may have to eat crow :blushing:

tlcya
10-31-2010, 10:54 PM
am I in the wrong forum? I thought this was forensic astrology?

* wanders out *

FifthEssence
11-01-2010, 02:40 AM
Regardless of what the StepM said about last 'seeing' Zahra @ 2:30am that morning, or the fact that the fire truck sounded it's siren at 5:30am, the REPORTED MISSING Chart on Page 1 confirms Zahra had passed on before the 10/9/2010 date.

Reported Missing Chart w/analysis:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - ZAHRA BAKER missing 10yr old Hickory, NC 10/9/10

nursebeeme
11-01-2010, 11:01 AM
http://triangle.news14.com/content/top_stories/632179/zahra-baker-s-stepmother-seeks-bond-reduction/

EB back in court this morning for another try at bond reduction

nursebeeme
11-01-2010, 03:41 PM
Hickory police have confirmed that a prosthetic leg found in Caldwell County last week belonged to 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

http://twitter.com/wcnc

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/01/nc-authorities-confirm-prosthetic-leg-missing-girl/?test=latestnews

nursebeeme
11-01-2010, 06:12 PM
A Catawba County grand jury handed down an indictment Monday against Elisa Baker, charging that she “unlawfully, willfully and feloniously did with deceit and intent to defraud a police investigation, obstruct justice by constructing and placing a false ransom letter and reporting an abduction of her step-daughter, Zarah Baker.”

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/elisa-baker-indicted-obstruction-charge-ar-502190/

songline
11-01-2010, 06:25 PM
News reports state the Stepmother ran out of the house screaming to Zahra's Father that Zahra was gone. The call to LE was placed approx. 2:00 pm on Saturday, 10/9/10.

The chart produced could hardly be clearer.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZahraBakerReportedMissing.jpg

The Arabic Part of the MOTHER is conjunct the ASCENDANT and partile square ruler SATURN, 08 Libra, posited in the cadent 9th House. This is a secretive position. MERCURY the hidden message and SUN, also in the cadent 9th house, tell the tale with Part of ASSASSINATION conjunct the SUN (describing the Event), confirmed by Part of DEATH 11 Libra conjunct MERCURY the hidden message. MERCURY itself is partile conjunct the malefic Fixed Star VINDEMIATRIX, associated with death in the family.

The Arabic Part of FATALITY is partile conjunct CERES the Mother/Nurturer in the cadent 12th House (secrets, lies), strengthening our argument of who is responsible and what may have really happened.

The Malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, associated with losing one's head either literally or figuratively, sits within the 5th House of the Child, partile conjunct ADMETOS, a death marker, both associated with strangulation/suffocation.

The Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius squares Lord 5 the Child VENUS conjunct MOON, both at 13 Scorpio, both in the Via Combusta (the Burning Way).

The MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty) conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN.

The MARS/PLUTO midpoint (violence, rage, murder) 09 Sagittarius parallels the MOON.



Of course, since the time of the Reported Missing, it has come to light the Stepmother herself wrote the ransom note, and that no one outside the family has seen Zahre for possibly as long as a month. This, in addition to many other startling and sickening facts and allegations emerging in this case give more weight to the chart at hand.

Thanks,
Soulscape



xxxxx

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ETA: Note Salvarenga has a listing below in Post #8 of important dates and times brought over from the Case Requests thread.

You are beyond amazing. I am so impressed. WOW!

This is the first case I have not been posting on, nothing other then RIP little angel. :beats:
I felt from the very start she is at peace now. Hope she will have a respectful burial.

songline
11-01-2010, 06:31 PM
I can't stop thinking about this litte angel. Will charts tell if there are multiple disposal sites and when she was killed?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


IMPORTANT DATES and TIMES (brought over from my other posts in the Case Requests Thread)


* at 5 am on 9 October the fire department and LE investigators respond to a brush fire in the back yard of this house!
Later that morning Dad states he goes out on a job..... and gets home early in the afternoon at which time he is out doing some yard work with SM comes screaming out of the house that Zahra is missing at 2pm on 9 october 2010 LE is called and arrive at 2:30 pm

* Elesa Baker was arrested at about 10:45 a.m. Sunday 10/10/10 on nine unrelated warrants and charges

* DOB for step mom, EAB, is 06/06/1968, NC.
DOB for dad, ATB, is 08/06/1977. Sydney, Australia
DOB for Zahra is 11/16/1999.- Giru, Queenland, Australia/ other news outlet says Wagga Wagga, AU

* SEARCH WARRANT
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=460807

ISSUED: 9:41 pm 10/10/10
EXECUTED: 9:52 PM 10/10/10


* Small grass fire was called into Fire Department on 10/09/10 at 5:09AM. by StepM.
Investigator on the scene by 5:30AM. Ransom note was addressed to the Baker's landlord and the kidnapping reference was made against the landlord's daughter....no mention of the Bakers or Zahra.

* At 2PM on 10/09/10, the police were back on scene investigating the fact that Zahra was missing. On 10/10/10 at 12:45PM SC Search and Rescue dog was on site at request of HPD and FBI. At 1PM, her canine alerted to human remains in or on both vehicles belonging the Bakers.

* Media briefing : 10/12 Media Briefing 11:30AM
No longer an Amber Alert, now a HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION


* Search goes on in wooded area in Morganton. Tuesday evening 10/12/10.
Officials searched the area late Tuesday night and concluded their search on Wednesday around 1 a.m.
For some strange reason it reminds me of little Caylee when the 911 call was not made for a month.
This is what I believe happened here too. I think if found it will take time, and there will be no more evidence on the bone. :(
Just my hinki meter.

songline
11-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Zhara's step sister does not want mom released from jailhttp://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/21/102395/dont-free-my-mother-says-zahra.html

Thank you FifthEssence for the advice.
VidaRose

Holy Cannoli :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hand: :hand: :hand:

Leomoon80
11-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Hello All!

I realize this may sound crazy to some, but does Zahra's chart say anything about animals, specifically dogs?

Thanks in advance,
FM

I do not think we have Zahra's time of birth do we? I have a Sunrise chart for her.
As for dogs? The 6th house is where we may find small pets and animals, whereas the 12th or opposite house rules larger creatures (animals)

When we do not have a time of birth, we don't know the houses in the natal chart.

Rex Bills gives: Virgo, the 6th, Mercury and Jupiter for dogs if anyone cares to look in the mundane event charts look for these symbols.

Paulette
11-02-2010, 12:36 PM
I want to ask a question I formed last night. Will Zahra's remains be recovered?

Time I asked the question was 7:43 pm 11/1/2010, Verdi, Nevada.

nursebeeme
11-02-2010, 11:02 PM
One of the owners, Jessika Gein, told WBTV by phone Tuesday night her husband used a pen name when he wrote to Baker. "We don't doubt the authenticity of it," said Gein regarding the letters.

But some of what Baker allegedly writes is disturbing when she talks about what happened to the little girl who's been missing for nearly a month. She again blames her husband, Adam, writing,"we really didn't kill her but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying." She goes on to say that she is afraid of her husband.

In another letter she writes, "Zahra isn't missing. The cops know where she is and what he has done. That's right what he has done."

Related: Full Coverage of the Search for Zahra

The letters stop short of saying where Zahra is or what happened to her.

When Gein was asked how they know the letters are authentic she said, "if we write to that person and we get something back and it's stamped by the prison or the jail, the envelope, then we pretty much know it's legit."

Gein went on to say the police know about the letters.

"They said that they have copies of all the letters that are coming and outgoing and that they know they're legit letters," she said. "So they don't doubt it and neither do we."



http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13433475

justaparent
11-03-2010, 03:19 PM
Their story will possibly be that the little girl died of cancer and they couldn't afford a funeral (I know, crazy and stupid, but look who LE is dealing with). EB seems to be heading in that direction.

Justa

passionflower
11-04-2010, 10:34 AM
Zahra's bone found????
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/03/11/bone-recovered-zahra-baker-case-ar-508596/

about 9 a.m. Wednesday

passionflower
11-04-2010, 10:35 AM
Hello All!

I realize this may sound crazy to some, but does Zahra's chart say anything about animals, specifically dogs?

Thanks in advance,
FM

I was wondering along time ago about the pitbulls.........very grose thoughts.
(no remains)

flying monkey
11-04-2010, 07:19 PM
O/T:

Special~ Jane Velez Mitchell on HLN 7PM-eastern time

EVERY PARENT'S NIGHTMARE is on now

Capri
11-04-2010, 08:35 PM
Zahara's biomother will be interviewed in tv in Australia.

Supposed to air tonight in AU on 7 news at 6 pm- hopefully someone will film it and post

Leomoon80
11-04-2010, 10:25 PM
I want to ask a question I formed last night. Will Zahra's remains be recovered?

Time I asked the question was 7:43 pm 11/1/2010, Verdi, Nevada.

Paulette and all:
I had no idea that Adam Baker worked for a Tree Trimming Service when I sent this to you via PM (Horary on your question) Perhaps the others would like to see the chart too so I redid it for the forum:



Sun & Moon below the horizon in the Horary makes it less likely that there will

Be a recovery of a body if we use Skyscript tips. Could this possibly mean she is under the earth literally?

Probably.



Gemini the Querent, and the same as 5th House of children or Ruler of Zahra…i.e. Mercury

South Node conj. Hades..(she’s dead and it’s past meaning, past the question in time ) the SN is about the past

The Part of Fortune squares the Sun a significator of the question itself.



The Sun (or the question) is conjunct to Zahra and the Querent, (Mercury)….

Conjunct fixed star Crux or the Cross (11Scorpio) and 19Scorpio is the evil degree.

The Worse has happened to her. These vibrations shown are awful.

Trying to locate in the chart, the stepmother is tricky or dicey, as we need to count from the 4th (if we take the 4th to be the traditional house for the mother) and then count from THAT cusp, over 7 houses (her spouse ) we get Adam B. or the father. (Bio mom is hs 4)

10th house cusp is the traditional for one parent but often it is transposed between the 4th to the 10th.

So, 1 house removed, we find the 2nd wife or stepmom I think.

Hence, Uranus is here which squares Pluto.

Well, that is a given as we both know she’s dead. Yet where is the body?

When all else fails go to the 4th house and investigate the planets here.

The Moon is here in it’s OWN domocile or the 4th house . Pointing to the body.

In Virgo, the Moon is – what?

Cold?…….of the earth (mulch piles, etc)…..perhaps incinerated and used as mulch.

Something to do with the earth itself.

The 6th house of decision making, shows Pallas along with the other significators.

Pallas suggests It was a pre-meditated act..carefully designed and conjunct the DC (perp)
Cusp in Sagittarius.

The North Node in the 7th conjuncts Pluto (original horary doesn’t use the planets out from Saturn ) but I do and many others do.

The South Node then, is in the 1st house an Angular house, so takes prominence and unfortunatley it is conjunct the Pleaides star cluster and in particular, fixed star called "Hyades"

The South Node is between the Uranians - Hades and Kronos so never a good sign for longevity or anything good of the matter.

The 10th rules the authority or Police, and we see Neptune here at the MC conjunct sadness (Chiron)…….Neptune accdg.to Rex Bills rules an “artificial leg” which came into the public knowledge (10th and the MC is the public)

Since I did this chart the other night, now I am wondering aloud, why Admetos is in the 12th - was it true that Zahra was sick, and Admetos can be chronic illnesses.
Any ideas?

I tend not to believe this woman at all, so I'm seeing Admetos as symbolizig
"anything that is deep down, (like the bottom of an ocean or lake) or dead "
would be the more apt keyword to use.

"Physical inertia " is another keyword for this TNP.

Realizing it's conjunction to Algol however, shows us it's the worse end for little Zahra

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4959/zahrawhereisshehorarych.gif

nursebeeme
11-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Paulette and all:
I had no idea that Adam Baker worked for a Tree Trimming Service when I sent this to you via PM (Horary on your question) Perhaps the others would like to see the chart too so I redid it for the forum:



Sun & Moon below the horizon in the Horary makes it less likely that there will

Be a recovery of a body if we use Skyscript tips. Could this possibly mean she is under the earth literally?

Probably.



Gemini the Querent, and the same as 5th House of children or Ruler of Zahra…i.e. Mercury

South Node conj. Hades..(she’s dead and it’s past meaning, past the question in time ) the SN is about the past

The Part of Fortune squares the Sun a significator of the question itself.



The Sun (or the question) is conjunct to Zahra and the Querent, (Mercury)….

Conjunct fixed star Crux or the Cross (11Scorpio) and 19Scorpio is the evil degree.

The Worse has happened to her. These vibrations shown are awful.

Trying to locate in the chart, the stepmother is tricky or dicey, as we need to count from the 4th (if we take the 4th to be the traditional house for the mother) and then count from THAT cusp, over 7 houses (her spouse ) we get Adam B. or the father. (Bio mom is hs 4)

10th house cusp is the traditional for one parent but often it is transposed between the 4th to the 10th.

So, 1 house removed, we find the 2nd wife or stepmom I think.

Hence, Uranus is here which squares Pluto.

Well, that is a given as we both know she’s dead. Yet where is the body?

When all else fails go to the 4th house and investigate the planets here.

The Moon is here in it’s OWN domocile or the 4th house . Pointing to the body.

In Virgo, the Moon is – what?

Cold?…….of the earth (mulch piles, etc)…..perhaps incinerated and used as mulch.

Something to do with the earth itself.

The 6th house of decision making, shows Pallas along with the other significators.

Pallas suggests It was a pre-meditated act..carefully designed and conjunct the DC (perp)
Cusp in Sagittarius.

The North Node in the 7th conjuncts Pluto (original horary doesn’t use the planets out from Saturn ) but I do and many others do.

The South Node then, is in the 1st house an Angular house, so takes prominence and unfortunatley it is conjunct the Pleaides star cluster and in particular, fixed star called "Hyades"

The South Node is between the Uranians - Hades and Kronos so never a good sign for longevity or anything good of the matter.

The 10th rules the authority or Police, and we see Neptune here at the MC conjunct sadness (Chiron)…….Neptune accdg.to Rex Bills rules an “artificial leg” which came into the public knowledge (10th and the MC is the public)

Since I did this chart the other night, now I am wondering aloud, why Admetos is in the 12th - was it true that Zahra was sick, and Admetos can be chronic illnesses.
Any ideas?

I tend not to believe this woman at all, so I'm seeing Admetos as symbolizig
"anything that is deep down, (like the bottom of an ocean or lake) or dead "
would be the more apt keyword to use.

"Physical inertia " is another keyword for this TNP.

Realizing it's conjunction to Algol however, shows us it's the worse end for little Zahra

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4959/zahrawhereisshehorarych.gif

ademtos...

adem=father????? ((adam))

what would "tos" mean on the end of the name? (ie of adam, etc?)

Andromeda
11-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Leomoon, I'm not an astrologist, but I have to say that when I see everything bunched together in "one quadrant" (that's over simplifying, I know, but I hope you get my drift), I think "eeek!". Everything is lined up in succession and it's like a kid scribbled *heavily* on one side. (Not good!) Then I read your analysis and it's as bad as I think it is.

Makes you want to light a candle and say a prayer.

Leomoon80
11-04-2010, 11:07 PM
ademtos...

adem=father????? ((adam))

what would "tos" mean on the end of the name? (ie of adam, etc?)

The Uranians (TransNeptunian planets, hypothetical ones) discovered by Alfred Witte

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Witte,_Alfred

As one of them, they are still being observed and watched carefully by Uranian astrologers who incorporate them in their work with Harmonics.
These are available now on astrodienst to put into the charts as I have done to map them. (for all of them, just click under asteroids...the letters "hh")
Admetos in particular seems to be indicative of health that is enduring in some way a rooted problem, so deep that it works against the person (cancer may be a Admetos type of disease)
You can google Uranians - Admetos for instance and find Nauman's link with 60 or more possible signifiers, but they all still seem to revolve around deep rooted illnesses.

Admetos:from this link another perspective: (keeping in mind of course that Astrology is highly symbolic and often the tools used will aid the Astrologer towards a given path or course of action to explore) but cannot be thought of as a literalness when we think of this explanation either....for the Uranians or any asteroids, etc.

http://death.findyourfate.com/death-planets.htm

excerpt:


This is another Uranian planet. For those who love to suppress/repress their hard feelings, their hard knocks in life, their bitterness, their bad luck, their trauma, , is doing an Admetos response. Admetos has an affinity for the Moon and is often seen as the other symbol for the mother. It is also about our subconscious. In its most lurid form, the monsters and the Shadow within ourselves is mirrored by this planet. Very often, with a strong Admetos natally in one's chart, this can mean that a "photograph" of a trauma occurred very early in life--especially in utero--while being carried by Mom--and it stains the person's entire life-force.This planet rules strangulation of the person. The person suffocates in some way. It could be due to an overdose of prescription, over-the-counter or other drugs, inhaling poisonous gas of some kind ,being poisoned by drinking water , or inhaling poisonous air that accumulates and you get sick and die from it.Admetos is about the hidden, poisonous things in our everyday environment that can potentially kill us. Admetos means death by slow, gradual onset and poisoning. An Admetos death can take years, if not a decade. And the person suffers enormously over time, if the source of the poisoning to them is not identified. A person slowly being poisoned by arsenic being put in their food daily, is a good example of this--a lot of liver pain, a lot of suffering, but its slow and unmerciful.

tlcya
11-04-2010, 11:39 PM
Have they done EB's chart yet? We should have her birthdate and relevant numbers by now yes?

Can someone direct me to it? Whereabouts in the thread whatnot?

tlcya
11-04-2010, 11:41 PM
The Uranians (TransNeptunian planets, hypothetical ones) discovered by Alfred Witte

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Witte,_Alfred

As one of them, they are still being observed and watched carefully by Uranian astrologers who incorporate them in their work with Harmonics.
These are available now on astrodienst to put into the charts as I have done to map them. (for all of them, just click under asteroids...the letters "hh")
Admetos in particular seems to be indicative of health that is enduring in some way a rooted problem, so deep that it works against the person (cancer may be a Admetos type of disease)
You can google Uranians - Admetos for instance and find Nauman's link with 60 or more possible signifiers, but they all still seem to revolve around deep rooted illnesses.

Admetos:from this link another perspective: (keeping in mind of course that Astrology is highly symbolic and often the tools used will aid the Astrologer towards a given path or course of action to explore) but cannot be thought of as a literalness when we think of this explanation either....for the Uranians or any asteroids, etc.

http://death.findyourfate.com/death-planets.htm

excerpt:


This is another Uranian planet. For those who love to suppress/repress their hard feelings, their hard knocks in life, their bitterness, their bad luck, their trauma, , is doing an Admetos response. Admetos has an affinity for the Moon and is often seen as the other symbol for the mother. It is also about our subconscious. In its most lurid form, the monsters and the Shadow within ourselves is mirrored by this planet. Very often, with a strong Admetos natally in one's chart, this can mean that a "photograph" of a trauma occurred very early in life--especially in utero--while being carried by Mom--and it stains the person's entire life-force.This planet rules strangulation of the person. The person suffocates in some way. It could be due to an overdose of prescription, over-the-counter or other drugs, inhaling poisonous gas of some kind ,being poisoned by drinking water , or inhaling poisonous air that accumulates and you get sick and die from it.Admetos is about the hidden, poisonous things in our everyday environment that can potentially kill us. Admetos means death by slow, gradual onset and poisoning. An Admetos death can take years, if not a decade. And the person suffers enormously over time, if the source of the poisoning to them is not identified. A person slowly being poisoned by arsenic being put in their food daily, is a good example of this--a lot of liver pain, a lot of suffering, but its slow and unmerciful.

tyvm leo

FifthEssence
11-05-2010, 12:14 AM
copied from Page 1 of this thread.

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http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/StepmotherNatal1.gif


Very briefly:

1. Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 21 Taurus close opposes Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio.

Additionally, Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint is partile conjunct Asteroid NEMESIS, showing her temper/brutality/cruel nature (Mars/Saturn) is her downfall (Nemesis).

2. Stepmother's JUPITER (the expansion principle) 28 Leo is conjoined by Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29 Leo, showing exaggerated and/or excessive (Jupiter) meanness/cruelty/brutality (Toro).

3. Stepmother's natal PLUTO 20 Virgo partile conjuncts Zahra's natal CERES suggesting a controlling, if not destructive mother-figure.

CERES 22 Libra in Stepmother's chart opposes exactly her own natal SATURN 22 Aries, suggesting Stepmother's total lack of ability to nurture a child. Note: the planets inhabit the sunrise 5th-11th axis, children/stepchildren, respectively, and in intercepted signs which hinder the planets' expression in any healthy/productive manner.

4. #3 above is strengthened by another configuration in Zahra's natal chart (not shown), namely CERES 20 Virgo square HADES 18 Gemini. If this doesn't describe the "Mother From Hell," I don't know what does....




To be continued,
Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
11-05-2010, 12:23 AM
brought forward from Page 2

Here is a natal chart I had already created for Adam Baker showing the transits for the last time Zahra was seen in public in the furniture store.

We do not know his time of birth, and if we did, we'd see far more but as it is, it's revealing I think.


The natal chart (no time of birth known) inclines towards much negativity. Lots of negative vibrations but many do, yet don’t end up like this…they work on them and even in some instances may overcome the bad parts.
He apparently is giving in to the path of least resistance.
Look here:
Sun 13Leo conjunct fixed star – exactly conjunct to AcubensFrom Constellation of Words:
Elsbeth Ebertin 1928 said in part:

conveying an unbalanced and "jumpy" nature. If the chart is a disharmonious one to people effected by it and especially if Acubens is in conjunction with Mars, Sun or Uranus, this will make for an unsettled mentality and helplessness. If in conjunction with Saturn, major disappointments in life, ordeals and trials, mental suffering, excitements, loss, opposition, disputes and deception are indicated.

The Moon’s position is unknown for exactness because we do not have the time of his birth.

Mercury – 10-11Virgo conjunct Fixed Star Zosma promising a death close to him.

Of the nature of Saturn and Venus. It causes benefit by disgrace, selfishness, egotism, immorality, meanness, melancholy, unhappiness of mind and fear of poison, and gives an unreasonable, shameless and egotistical nature. [Robson*, p.219.]

His natal Venus squares Pluto which conjuncts Vindiamiatrix, (a death) hence, love and destructive forces are co-mingled with a propensity towards trying to control others through his own actions

Mars in Gemini can be very deceitful for it also is opposed by Neptune and in his case also squares Mercury representing the lower mind.

What did Shakespeare write? Something about, when you are not true to yourself, you cannot be true to another? Well he does the opposite of being true to himself and then it played out with Zahra who he was supposed to be protecting .
A weak man for certain. Weak morals and self-deceiving then deceiving others.

Kronos conjunct Mars (within minutes) in Gemini conjunct the BML, he is inclined towards, “If it’s good for me, then to hell with everyone else including my own” and the Sun’s vibrations augment this for him.


Hades at 27 degrees Taurus . What can we surmise of this……other then
The worse with the worse and then double that as a personal effect.
Algol and Hades, can we envision worse?

Regarding the position in the chart as related to the North Node and Ceres and his desire to protect and shield those he loves and cherishes?
Seiginus is the fixed star associated with his North Node and Ceres (the nurture and protection he was supposed to give his little girl)

It gives a subtle mind, shamelessness and loss through friends and companies. [Robson*, p.207.]

How about the asteroid Medea who killed her children, in the Greek myths?
In his natal chart, lodged between Hades and Kronos, and remember, Kronos is exactly atop his natal Mars.
Medea is located in his natal - 2.38Gemini for those who study these things, in the Pleiades star cluster.
http://symposium.gardner-webb.edu/myth.html

Medea, then, is associated with light and dark, delivery and death.
Medea myth allows Euripides to use the salvific and destructive nature of love to encourage his audience to see the smoldering power of the oppressed, and the consequences of hypocrisy.


Might we be inclined then to see Juno at 16Scorpio, otherwise called by the Greeks Hera, the jealous wife, square to his own Saturn and his Sun the instigator of the disappearance of this child? I think so…….and I think his natal chart shows us that Juno is not working in his favor in this lifetime.

The position of Juno in his natal, says justice will be served for it's located in the Southern Scales of the constellation of Libra.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4774/zahrafatheradambakerdid.gif

tlcya
11-05-2010, 12:24 AM
So you guys pretty much called it from the get.

Sorry, I pop in now and again to try to gain new insight on something I do not understand but have respect for.

Lately when I've popped in the posts were not astrological in nature but more speculative. When I come upon a specuatlion or theory I don't care for, I tend to skip or skim it.

passionflower
11-05-2010, 03:37 PM
New Moon tonight..........

passionflower
11-05-2010, 03:40 PM
new moon tonight in scorpio..........
since EB wants to be a vampire (when she grows up)
this is appropriate:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Scorpio-New-Moon-November-by-Cathy-Lynn-Pagano-101102-336.html

Curious Me
11-10-2010, 03:37 PM
Bumping with a prayer for Zahra and all the searchers looking for her.

nursebeeme
11-11-2010, 02:00 PM
When investigators searched the Dudley Shoals area in Caldwell County on Wednesday, they found possible human remains in connection with Zahra Baker’s homicide.

The evidence is being sent to the SBI lab in Raleigh to be analyzed. Hickory police is saying the evidence “could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case.”

On Wednesday, Gunpowder Creek was searched, as well as the brush along the banks. A BOB-CAT was also brought in to trim the brush farther up the banks. In one area, investigators searched about 10 feet from the banks of Gunpowder Creek. At this spot, there is now a two-and-a-half foot deep hole that gapes 10-feet wide. The hole wasn’t visible on Wednesday, before law enforcement closed the road to traffic around mid-day. Inside this hole is a smaller, distinct, round hole in the dirt. All of the dirt from the hole was also taken with the investigators.

A white evidence flag was marked at the edge of the hole. At previous search sites, a white flag was used to mark bones.

The hole was about 25 feet from the end of where a paved access road ends.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/11/7/investigators-digging-clues-search-zahra-ar-529180/

also from this article... searchers are back at Christie road today and it is closed off ((due to a lead))

Add'l news & details: http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/632634/human-remains-found-in-wednesday-s-search-for-zahra

nursebeeme
11-11-2010, 06:39 PM
I am ready for some astro analysis on the "find" yesterday! is there anything you guys need to do that? let me know and I will ferret it back here asap!

Leomoon80
11-11-2010, 08:46 PM
I am ready for some astro analysis on the "find" yesterday! is there anything you guys need to do that? let me know and I will ferret it back here asap!

The Horary, "where is Zahra" has Moon in Virgo (an earth sign) 4th house, I said would be probably indicative of in the ground.

She was/is.

The hole has been dug, a smaller one now they say inside the larger one.
Body parts there.

Sick sick people who did this to Zahra. Two of them, shown by the Ruler of the 7th, the others - or Sagittarius, a double bodied sign.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4959/zahrawhereisshehorarych.gif

The quesited (Zahra and her body) is represented by Mercury found in the 6th house in the so-called evil degree of Scorpio, surrounded by the Sun & Mars (those 2 who decided what to do after her death ) . The co-ruler of the quesited is the Moon, in the "end of the matter house" or the 4th. The 5th house planets and symbols tell the tale of the business of the 4th...the preceeding house. In this case, Saturn, Atropos, & Moira (on either side of Saturn), indicative of her death .

I wish it weren't so, and it's hard to look at this or talk about her now.

The South Node (always a bad sign for a negative answer) is in the 1st house of the querent,.and between Hades & Kronos.
The 12th house of hidden things, is the hidden body, as Admetoes (sickness that was chronic) might be seen there conjunct Algol as
Zahra's poor little body. Hidden from view but definately gone from this world now.

nursebeeme
11-11-2010, 08:54 PM
thanks leo... you guys all along said she was in the ground... and it appears that part of her maybe was. thanks

nursebeeme
11-12-2010, 01:24 PM
Hickory police have scheduled a 4 p.m. news conference about evidence in the disappearance of 10-year-old Zahra Baker. You can watch that news conference live on wsoctv.com.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25758518/detail.html


places to watch the presser:
www.wsoc.com

www.wcnc.com

www.wbtv.com

nursebeeme
11-12-2010, 04:15 PM
~ the bone found on Christie Road on 3 November is a positive DNA match for Zahra (from DNA profile made from items taken from home)

~ cheek swabs will be taken of bio mom and dad to create a dna profile to further test (including the remains found on dudley shoals road)

~ Remains from DS road have been sent to the ME and than they will be sent to SBI for testing

~ ME says the DS remains are of a child

~ cannot confirm DS remains are Zahra yet and there is no timetable on this

~ any future information on this case will be extremely limited to ensure sucessful prosecution of the case.

~ no questions taken

Curious Me
11-12-2010, 05:10 PM
I do want to thank the Forensic Astrologers for delving into this extremely sad case and giving us answers. I know it is not easy to see what you see. It is truly a gift you share from the heart. Thank You.

Rest in Peace, Zahra.

Carolina Girl
11-12-2010, 06:17 PM
Thanks for all of the cases that you work on. Too many have sad outcomes.

tlcya
11-12-2010, 06:32 PM
I don't know how reliable this is as it is the only article I can find about Adam Baker being arrested today. But it was posted "36 minutes ago", so maybe the rest of the news world has not caught up yet.

http://www.thepressbuzz.com/360/zahra-baker-case-more-questions/

Zahra Baker’s father was arrested this morning on charges relating to her disappearance. ... The County Sheriff, John McDevitt said “He seems concerned. I don’t know how sincere his concern is” . When the police man asked if he believed Adam Baker, McDevitt said, “I don’t.”

***I think the author of this article is writing in their second language.

ty this is actually a blog regarding "hot" news stories and not an actual news site. I really appreciate the fact that you also posted that no one else was reporting it. It has since been debunked as inaccurate.

FifthEssence
11-12-2010, 08:15 PM
B R A V E H E A R T
A Champion indeed.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZAHRAframed.jpg


~One beautiful Angel ~

Leomoon80
11-12-2010, 08:30 PM
~ the bone found on Christie Road on 3 November is a positive DNA match for Zahra (from DNA profile made from items taken from home)

~ cheek swabs will be taken of bio mom and dad to create a dna profile to further test (including the remains found on dudley shoals road)

~ Remains from DS road have been sent to the ME and than they will be sent to SBI for testing

~ ME says the DS remains are of a child

~ cannot confirm DS remains are Zahra yet and there is no timetable on this

~ any future information on this case will be extremely limited to ensure sucessful prosecution of the case.

~ no questions taken

Notice that in the Horary chart, "Cupido", the TNP planet, which represents
Marriage, getting together, family, among other things; also in this case is in the 7th house of committed partners, and happens to be square the Moon in Virgo (the end of the matter house 4) and semi-square to Venus.
They will no doubt turn against each other to try and save oneself, or blame the other.

POF (Pars Fortuna) in this case found a 9 Leo in the 3rd house squares the Sun (the Father of Zahra) found in the 6th of decision making,for Virgo rules this house, hence a Mercury influence.

He's toast......imo.

3rd House POF suggests the partner trying to destroy him with her words.

POF conjuncts "The Asses" (how appropriate is this)......a part of the Crab nebula, in the constellation of Cancer the crab (Sidereal sky)
In the Tropical Zodiac, it falls to the next sign, that of Leo at the 9th degree for the Southern Ass.
(there is also a Northern Ass) and together form the Asses., or Asselus

Squaring the Sun = "low morality, bad habits , downfall brought by enemies/ self seeking " are all possible traits.
Ptolemy said, "like the Sun and Mars in a semi-square" or so attributed on the Constellation of Words links.

Anne Wright: http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Cancer.html#Fixed_stars_in_

One habit crabs have is when they are put in a barrel and one tries to escape the others will pull him back down, giving rise to the term "crabs in a barrel". It relates to people who envy another's success and go out of their way to do things to hold them back and drag them down

justaparent
11-13-2010, 11:46 AM
He'll likely be arrested after a look at a possible date of death, which will likely contradict the "last seen" time given in the bogus 911 calls.



ty this is actually a blog regarding "hot" news stories and not an actual news site. I really appreciate the fact that you also posted that no one else was reporting it. It has since been debunked as inaccurate.

grayjay
11-13-2010, 12:05 PM
Zahra, you won't be needing the Barbie leg. You have wings now and have blessed multitudes with your spirit and courage.

:angel2:

Paulette
11-13-2010, 01:56 PM
Zahra had asteroid "Australia" 19:27 Scorpio, trine "Honeycutt" (your piece of the pie) 19:38 Pisces. Her piece of the pie was free health care from Australia.

I used Dec. 17, 2008 as the date she left Australia. She moved in with EB's father on Dec. 19, 2008. On Dec. 17th "Australia" was 20 Leo squaring her natal Australia 19:27 Scorpio. Uranus was at 18:53 Pisces, conjunct her honeycutt - now she's has no more healthcare.


On June 17, 2009 Chiron, Jupiter & Neptune are Transiting Rx at 26 Aquarius - atop her natal "Nemisis" 26:49 Aquarius. She should be on a plane heading back to Australia as their visa is fini at this point. She's lost her health care & I suspect she's getting sick again. Chiron conjunct Nemesis, which is squaring asteroid "America" 26 Scorpio Rx.

Capri
11-15-2010, 01:06 AM
HI all, been reading here as usual, trying to absorb all your insight. I haven't read every single post, but has there been a barn(possibly abandoned) related to this case at all?

Thanks in advance

Capri
11-15-2010, 01:07 AM
Also, Emily (biomom) flew back to Oz tonight.

nursebeeme
11-15-2010, 06:45 PM
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/111510+elisa+baker+bond+redux.pdf

bond reduction document received & recorded in Clerk's office 11/15/10 @ 2:32pm

sherbetjello
11-15-2010, 06:52 PM
I would love to know, to feel secure in this feeling, that AB is involved... and will be charged.

Capri
11-16-2010, 01:37 AM
A photocopy of the legal filing in Superior Court, requesting a bond hearing. It is here that Elisa states "dismemberment" and apparently gives LE locations to look for the body, as well as evidence at the house.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...bond+redux.pdf

*received & recorded in Clerk's office 11/15/10 @ 2:32pm

Karen Anne RN
11-16-2010, 03:27 AM
A photocopy of the legal filing in Superior Court, requesting a bond hearing. It is here that Elisa states "dismemberment" and apparently gives LE locations to look for the body, as well as evidence at the house.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...bond+redux.pdf

Thank you for posting this. I didn't know anything about it.

I couldn't get to it for some reason, but I did get there this way - http://tiny.cc/rauw1

ynotdivein
11-16-2010, 09:23 PM
Hello all... not sure how to phrase what I am asking here. Bear with me, please...

I've been following Zahra's case closely and of course that has "heated up" in the last week with the discovery of things that were intended to be hidden... It also seems that there's new information in Kyron's case tonight. And tonight we hear that Natalee's jawbone and teeth may have washed ashore in Aruba.

Can anyone give me some astrological insight into what is going on from about Nov. 7 or 8 to the present, what with all this "surfacing of what had been hidden"?

Sorry if this is not clear... but seems that there are a whole lot of secrets coming to the surface of late....

Capri
11-30-2010, 08:54 PM
Pulling this info over from the main Zahra Baker forum. Some new info contained here. It's not pretty, but some of it confirms the step-mothers charts even more.

There is also mention of possible rape.

Documents reveal new possible suspects in rape and killing of Zahra Baker.


Ten-year-old Zahra Baker may have been raped before she was murdered, and her dismembered body then concealed in a bed comforter and car cover, and discarded in a Dumpster behind a grocery store, according to court documents released this afternoon.

The documents don't reveal how the girl died, but they suggest that acquaintances of Zahra's stepmother may have played a role in the girl's death. The records detail for the first time Elisa Baker's account of what was done with Zahra's body, and offer a glimpse of evidence police have uncovered.

In a statement to police, a source relays information that two men may have raped Zahra. When asked if they killed her, the source said "they might have hit her in the head." Elisa Baker directed investigators to the Fox Ridge apartments in Hickory. Through her attorney, she admitted that she and Adam Baker wrapped Zahra's prosthetic leg in a white trash bag and threw it in the apartment Dumpster.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16p1tKm7B


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/30/1877305/stepmother-zahra-bakers-body-dismembered.html#ixzz16oH8PWo4

This article mentions a possible location where the alleged rape took place (a house on County Line Road in Hildebran). Both articles mention two men. This article says "The documents allege that two men raped the girl and that one of those men had a relationship with Elisa Baker, Zahra’s stepmother."
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25950739/detail.html

Leomoon80
11-30-2010, 09:50 PM
This is extremely unsettling, horrible news to hear that those people especially the father would have ever allowed anyone to hurt his little girl IF he had known.
I'm flabbergasted, but should not be, it happens doesn't it.....

Please God, don't let it be, that Adam did this to Zahra....:(

(Transiting Hopi (an ambush) over his natal Vesta (the virginal young woman)

In the Horary chart asking about Zahra, I said there were two people in involved, as I recall it was a "Double bodied sign". Will there be more?

Capri
11-30-2010, 09:59 PM
More released from the warrant. Names 2 men who allegedly raped Z. Tipster was male, and was not EB.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/51/allegations-zahra-baker-was-raped-burke-county/

Amendment to one of the warrants, with info given from EB's attorney Ms. Dubbs, concerning rubber gloves and trash bags, allegedly used.
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/file/52/see-warrant-elisa-baker-described-details-dismembe/

Capri
11-30-2010, 11:11 PM
One more:
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Search-warrants-in-Zahra-Baker-case-unsealed-111070214.html

According to the documents, the Burke County Sheriff’s Office investigated a claim that Zahra Baker had been killed by one or two men who had raped her at a house in Hildebran. The men--cousins--are related to Baker's ex-husband. The tipster alleged that Zahra had been left at the home, and when her mother returned, the little girl had blood on her private area and legs.

VidaRose
12-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Here is a video with one of the men.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/man-denies-raping-slain-10-year-old-north-carolina-girl-zahra-baker-video

I don't remember seeing anything in her charts about sexual assault, and this man doesn't seem guilty to me. I hope I'm right.

Bless you all and your loved ones for the holidays.
VidaRose

Leomoon80
12-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Here is a video with one of the men.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/man-denies-raping-slain-10-year-old-north-carolina-girl-zahra-baker-video

I don't remember seeing anything in her charts about sexual assault, and this man doesn't seem guilty to me. I hope I'm right.
Bless you all and your loved ones for the holidays.
VidaRose

Did we have Zahra's true time of birth? :waitasec: I used the Sunrise chart
but I would love to have her true time of birth.

Without it, we cannot speak to the Axis of Desire, (the 2nd/8th house Axis)
Without it, we cannot speak to the Arabic Lots or the known ASCendent.


As it is, using the Sunrise chart - she had her Sun combust Mercury in 22-23 Scorpio...usually a problem will ensue in this degree.
Her Venus in Libra was in it's own Rulership, hence, "attractive to both men and women in a physical way" I would think.....as we saw, a beauty, and unfortunately, Venus is Conjunct ZEUS in her natal (overcome by men) with physical prowess over her.

Same with her natal Mars (Exalted) in Capricorn, square Jupiter (bad luck for her physical body all around as we know )
Her Saturn (some believe it's a sign of karma) is square to Uranus (the unexpected and erratic events in life)....A further sign also of separation from loved ones.

In her father's chart I mentioned that he had TR HOPI (assault & ambush by force) over his natal VESTA (the virgin child) in this case.
I further stated, that I didn't attribute a rape of a child to him....necessarily just because of Vesta being under attack here by a conjunction to Hopi when someone took that to mean such.

I also stated her father was the pits.......(a very weak man) and I brought up a few fixed stars maligning his planets...all of which spoke of weakness of both character and spirit as a protector of his only child. Terrible really.

In the "Horary chart" of "Where is Zahra" that I ran, the questited is Mercury and the 5th house Ruler is also Mercury i.e. Zahra found in the 6th, between the Sun and Mars in Scorpio, we might say, "between her father and other men" in Scorpio the sign of control over others.

CUPIDO the TNP (Transneptunian Planet) is 17SAG and conjunct the DC cusp in this chart, the house that rules the stranger, the aggressor, the known enemies.
CUPIDO is alone here on the cusp and is also in the 17th degree (a very critical mutable sign degree)
CUPIDO is also semi-square (very harsh aspect) to VENUS
CUPIDO is also Square to the Moon in this Horary chart.

Hope this helps explain better...........

RIP Zahra dear....:( Our prayers are sent to you for healing......

When we get the dates of births of the men accused, then we can check their transits and progressions for more validation. But I think there is plenty already, even though I'd love to have her time of birth.

Andromeda
12-27-2010, 03:33 PM
Is it possible to cast a chart for this? It would be so nice to see some charges (finally!) being laid in Zahra's case.

Zahra Baker Update: Police Give Evidence to Prosecutors in Case of Murdered N.C. Girl

"...The Hickory Daily Record reported that investigators, who have worked steadily since the disabled girl was reported missing Oct. 9, delivered their findings to the District Attorney's Office Thursday.

"We turned over a preliminary case file to the District Attorney's office for him to start reviewing and consider what course of action he wants to take concerning who he wants to charge and what charges he wants to pursue," Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department told the newspaper.

Although no one has been charged with Zahra's murder, the young girl's stepmother Elisa Baker is in police custody for an obstruction of justice charge relating to the Zahra's disappearance and death, but has denied any further wrongdoing.

Zahra's father Adam Baker was also jailed during the investigation; however, the charges did not pertain to the case. ..."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20026180-504083.html

Andromeda
01-04-2011, 11:55 AM
Elisa Baker obstruction case delayed

A judge has delayed the obstruction of justice case against the stepmother of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Elisa Baker, 42, did not appear in court this morning where she was also expected to also ask a judge to reduce her nearly $100,000 bond that's kept her in jail since her Oct. 10 arrest.

Judge Robert C. Ervin reschedule the hearing for March 7.

...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/04/1955093/elisa-baker-obstruction-case-delayed.html

justaparent
01-04-2011, 03:48 PM
Judge unseals all warrants in Zahra Baker case. Pretty basic news so far, so updates are expected.


http://tinyurl.com/3yw4ftb

Curious Me
01-04-2011, 08:25 PM
Leomoon80, the sunrise chart analysis above #165 is excellent. I'm able to follow the astrological reasoning the way you explained it. Thank You. Poor Zahra had so many obstacles, and bless her she kept her beautiful spirit. I believe she has only joy now as she's free of all that ugliness.

The chatter today on JVM was that Eliza Baker's cell phone does show pings at the remains locations, but not AB's cell phone pings; and also mentioned some bizarre postings to an underground website LE is looking into. I hope and pray ALL the people involved in this horrible crime against Zahra face Justice.

FifthEssence
02-03-2011, 07:57 PM
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/StepmotherNatal1.gif

Very briefly:

1. Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint (cruelty, brutality) 21 Taurus close opposes Zahra's natal SUN 22 Scorpio.

Additionally, Stepmother's MARS/SATURN midpoint is partile conjunct Asteroid NEMESIS, showing her temper/brutality/cruel nature (Mars/Saturn) is her downfall (Nemesis).

2. Stepmother's JUPITER (the expansion principle) 28 Leo is conjoined by Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29 Leo, showing exaggerated and/or excessive (Jupiter) meanness/cruelty/brutality (Toro).

3. Stepmother's natal PLUTO 20 Virgo partile conjuncts Zahra's natal CERES suggesting a controlling, if not destructive mother-figure.

CERES 22 Libra in Stepmother's chart opposes exactly her own natal SATURN 22 Aries, suggesting Stepmother's total lack of ability to nurture a child. Note: the planets inhabit the sunrise 5th-11th axis, children/stepchildren, respectively, and in intercepted signs which hinder the planets' expression in any healthy/productive manner.

4. #3 above is strengthened by another configuration in Zahra's natal chart (not shown), namely CERES 20 Virgo square HADES 18 Gemini. If this doesn't describe the "Mother From Hell," I don't know what does....


To be continued,
Thanks,
Soulscape

UPDATE:
Still no charge of MURDER!!!
So far, NOT charged in the MURDER of little ZAHARA, just Bigamy and 'Obstruction in the Investigation'.
This 'Dark Angel' as she referred to herself in her letters (more like SHE-DEVIL). was married 7 times, 3 guys at one time.
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/nc-news/Zahra-Baker-Stepmother-Elisa-Baker-Married-7-Times-115180874.html

FifthEssence
02-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Yes!!! JUSTICE for ZAHRA


http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26939338/detail.html
Posted: 11:48 am EST February 21, 2011
Updated: 1:34 pm EST February 21, 2011
HICKORY, N.C. -- Hickory police have indicted Elisa Baker on second degree murder charge in the death of Zahra Baker.

The indictment states that Elisa Baker had a history of and pattern of physical, verbal and psychological abuse against Zahra.

It also states that Elisa hid the victim from family members and desecrated Zahra's body to hinder detection, investigation and prosecution of the offense.

****Hickory police have scheduled a 3 p.m. press conference Monday to announce their new findings in the case of Zahra Baker.



LINK to her Chart and brief analysis by SOULSCAPE
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - ZAHRA BAKER missing 10yr old Hickory, NC 10/9/10



ETA
VIDEO COVERAGE OF NEWS CONFERENCE:
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=14067437

Another copy of actual Indictment:
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476913

add'l info:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/21/stepmother-indicted-death-disabled-north-carolina-girl/
Warrant and Indictment info:
The warrant also said that cell phone records indicate Adam Baker was not in the locations where Zahra's remains were found on the day Elisa Baker indicated, but that cell phone records showed she was present in those locations.
many bones were not present for the autopsy, most notably Zahra Baker's skull. Several bones show cutting tool marks consistent with dismemberment.

Documents show that police learned months ago that the freckle-faced little girl was dismembered after she died, but an exact cause of death has not been revealed. The lack of a head may help to explain that -- and why it took four months for a charge in her death.

tiredblondy
02-21-2011, 08:24 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992 (http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992) on page 4 of the autopsy report there is a diagram. The shaded portions show how much of her body is still missing. It is heartbreaking. Is there anything in forensic astrology that might indicate if her skull and or the rest of her body will ever be found?

Soulscape
02-23-2011, 10:16 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992 (http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=476992) on page 4 of the autopsy report there is a diagram. The shaded portions show how much of her body is still missing. It is heartbreaking. Is there anything in forensic astrology that might indicate if her skull and or the rest of her body will ever be found?


Hello Tiredblondy,

I will take a look & see if I can determine anything further. I read the autopsy report. Absolutely horrific what they did to that poor child. The medical examiner noted the use of at least two different cutting instruments.

I am HIGHLY suspicious of Father's involvement before/ during/ after the fact.

Thanks,
Soulscape

NoeticSoul
02-23-2011, 10:40 AM
Hello Tiredblondy,


I will take a look & see if I can determine anything further. I read the autopsy report. Absolutely horrific what they did to that poor child. The medical examiner noted the use of at least two different cutting instruments.

I am HIGHLY suspicious of Father's involvement before/ during/ after the fact.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Namaste, Soulscape =)

BBM Me too.

I would love to know if a chart can be drawn on AB for those suspicions too? Or does that violate the TOS because he is now a "victim" <CRINGE>

Someone on Zahra's thread suggested the very same in a post last night (I forget whom) and I wanted to ask.

Bright Blessings to all!

Soulscape
02-23-2011, 10:47 AM
Namaste, Soulscape =)

BBM Me too.

I would love to know if a chart can be drawn on AB for those suspicions too? Or does that violate the TOS because he is now a "victim" <CRINGE>

Someone on Zahra's thread suggested the very same in a post last night (I forget whom) and I wanted to ask.

Bright Blessings to all!



Hello NoeticSoul,

I can give you my 'take' on AB's chart and the likelihood or lack thereof of his involvement from an astrological perspective, but we cannot post the chart(s).

I will spend some time with this case and post accordingly.

Thank you for your patience,

Love,
Soulscape

NoeticSoul
02-23-2011, 10:52 AM
Most grateful for your time, Soulscape, thank you :rose:

tiredblondy
02-24-2011, 12:30 AM
Hello Tiredblondy,

I will take a look & see if I can determine anything further. I read the autopsy report. Absolutely horrific what they did to that poor child. The medical examiner noted the use of at least two different cutting instruments.

I am HIGHLY suspicious of Father's involvement before/ during/ after the fact.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Thank you so much Soulscape. It is so heartbreaking to know that so much of her body is still out there. It's almost like there was another person and the other person disposed of part and EB disposed of the other. I was hoping the stars can tell where the rest of her body is. I have been so impressed with what you guys do here.

Soulscape
02-25-2011, 06:54 PM
To determine the involvement or lack thereof of AB in his daughter's disappearance and murder, we need to take another look at the Reported Missing chart (post #1, page 1 of this Thread).

I will re-post relevant commentary from my initial analysis and insert new commentary to address this issue.



News reports state the Stepmother ran out of the house screaming to Zahra's Father that Zahra was gone. The call to LE was placed approx. 2:00 pm on Saturday, 10/9/10.

The chart produced could hardly be clearer.

The Arabic Part of the MOTHER is conjunct the ASCENDANT and partile square ruler SATURN, 08 Libra, posited in the cadent 9th House. This is a secretive position. MERCURY the hidden message and SUN, also in the cadent 9th house, tell the tale with Part of ASSASSINATION conjunct the SUN (describing the Event), confirmed by Part of DEATH 11 Libra conjunct MERCURY the hidden message. MERCURY itself is partile conjunct the malefic Fixed Star VINDEMIATRIX, associated with death in the family.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ZAHRAReportedMissREVISITED.jpg


What we overlooked the first time around:

1) The Arabic Part of the FATHER 15:45 Capricorn is posited in the 1st House and, like the Part of the MOTHER, is also disposited by SATURN, Lord 1. This ties Mother & Father together. Notice FATHER close squares SUN conj. ASSASSINATION (the Event).

FATHER 15:45 Capricorn is also quindecile HADES 00 Cancer (degradation; garbage; death) and HADES is partile opposed CERES (Mother) 00 Cancer. This ties Mother & Father together, and as quoted below, FATALITY, partile conjunct CERES, is the end result of their collaboration.


The Arabic Part of FATALITY is partile conjunct CERES the Mother/Nurturer in the cadent 12th House (secrets, lies), strengthening our argument of who is responsible and what may have really happened.


We noted below the significance of ALGOL posited within the 5th House of the Child. Tragically and most unfortunately, this symbolism manifested in the most gruesome way possible:


The Malefic Fixed Star ALGOL, associated with losing one's head either literally or figuratively, sits within the 5th House of the Child, partile conjunct ADMETOS, a death marker, both associated with strangulation/suffocation.


There is more, and stronger, testimony of AB's involvement.

His natal SUN 13 Leo is conjunct his natal MARS/PLUTO midpoint 12:32 Leo. This could produce a most violent, perhaps murderous individual, should the energy be utilized in a negative way.

Chart examination shows AB's SUN - MARS/PLUTO conjunction 12-13 Leo square to Lord 5 the Child VENUS - MOON conjunction 13 Scorpio in the Reported Missing. I take that as a 'direct hit.' Additionally this natal configuration is close opposed the Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius discussed the the quote below.

AB's natal MARS 13 Gemini inconjuncts the Reported Missing VENUS - MOON conjunction 13 Scorpio (Zahra). MARS is associated with violence/ anger/ rage/ destruction/ rape/ murder, etc. Another 'direct hit' and deadly, as the inconjunct is often indicative of death.

The Arabic Part of MURDER 12:51 Aquarius squares Lord 5 the Child VENUS conjunct MOON, both at 13 Scorpio, both in the Via Combusta (the Burning Way).




There is more testimony to consider.

AB's natal MARS/SATURN midpoint 16 Cancer squares the Reported Missing SUN 16 Libra and inconjuncts Zahra's natal MOON 16 Aquarius (sunrise position). MARS/SATURN is a marker of brutality and/or cruelty.

AB's natal SUN - MARS/PLUTO conjunction 12-13 Leo opposes Zahra's natal MOON-URANUS conjunction 13-16 Aquarius and widely squares her natal SUN 22 Scorpio.

These interaspects make me shudder. He may have been terrorizing her (along with doing God knows what else) long before EB took matters into her own hands (which I believe she did based on the astrology), making the decision to put an end to the poor child's life.


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The 'story' EB told at the time Zahra was reported missing was proven false shortly thereafter.

Chart analysis told the true tale. In addition to numerous clear-cut testimonies implicating both parents, note Pisces, a mutable sign associated with lying & deception, on the 3rd House of Information/Rumors/Facts/Lies in the Reported Missing Chart.

Co-Lord JUPITER is also in lying Pisces on the dark, secretive side of the 3rd House making no aspect to Lord 1 the Mother/parents SATURN, while co-Lord NEPTUNE (King of lies & deceit) is sesquisquare Lord 1 SATURN the Mother/parents, and sesquisquare MERCURY the natural ruler of Information/Rumors/Facts/Lies as well.




Thanks,
Soulscape

Paulette
02-25-2011, 07:41 PM
I've been reading your interpretations for about 2 years and am still astonished with every new chart analysis. It's beyond me to see the how-do-they-do-that, but I sure do appreciate it. Thanks so much.

tiredblondy
02-25-2011, 11:05 PM
Thanks so much Soulscape.

NoeticSoul
02-25-2011, 11:33 PM
Thank you, Soulscape. The stars write, the truth exactly as my intuition sees.

Not surprising.. still jaw-dropping.


RIP Sweet Zahra :rose:
May Karma be swift and unrelenting.

Carolina Girl
03-06-2011, 07:42 PM
Thank you all so much. Just as I feel also.

justaparent
04-12-2011, 07:09 AM
As soon as his "legal troubles" are over:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/11/9/adam-baker-return-australia-soon-ar-939383/

He'll come back if they need him, he promises.

How can he be allowed to simply walk for his part in Zahra's disappearance and death. I can't "read" the charts, but the overall gist I get is that EB is implicated most, with AB basically being worthless as a father. Is that correct?

But he had to know she was missing and he had to know she was abused. At the very least he lied to LE during the fake "abduction" phone call. Do they just not have enough to charge him?

Sickening.

Soulscape
04-12-2011, 05:20 PM
As soon as his "legal troubles" are over:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2011/apr/11/9/adam-baker-return-australia-soon-ar-939383/

He'll come back if they need him, he promises.

How can he be allowed to simply walk for his part in Zahra's disappearance and death. I can't "read" the charts, but the overall gist I get is that EB is implicated most, with AB basically being worthless as a father. Is that correct?

But he had to know she was missing and he had to know she was abused. At the very least he lied to LE during the fake "abduction" phone call. Do they just not have enough to charge him?



Sickening.



I completely agree, Justaparent, this is indeed sickening. I suspect LE may know he had 'some' involvement but are choosing to put their full focus on EB as her conviction is likely a slam-dunk.

As for AB, there is always Karma to contend with..........


Thank you,
Soulscape

salvarenga
04-12-2011, 05:41 PM
He won't be leaving so soon. They arrested him today on two more charges: identity theft and obtaining property under false pretense. The news article is in the main Zahra Thread.


http://www.live5news.com/story/14433206/zahra-bakers-father-arrested-by-hickory-police
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NoeticSoul
04-19-2011, 01:35 PM
He won't be leaving so soon. They arrested him today on two more charges: identity theft and obtaining property under false pretense. The news article is in the main Zahra Thread.


http://www.live5news.com/story/14433206/zahra-bakers-father-arrested-by-hickory-police
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Ahhhh... Karma. :laugh: She's a wonderful thing! (even if she's a slow-poke) no one ever escapes her for long.

Soulscape
04-19-2011, 02:07 PM
He won't be leaving so soon. They arrested him today on two more charges: identity theft and obtaining property under false pretense. The news article is in the main Zahra Thread.


http://www.live5news.com/story/14433206/zahra-bakers-father-arrested-by-hickory-police
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Ahhhh... Karma. :laugh: She's a wonderful thing! (even if she's a slow-poke) no one ever escapes her for long.


It's really quite 'curious' that AB hasn't been charged with anything (as of yet) in connection with this case --- the murder and dismemberment of his daughter, Zahra. I seem to recall after EB was first arrested, she was making statements on the order of 'what he (AB) did was horrible/ horrifying' or words to that nature.

The charts strongly testify to his involvement. He knew, at minimum, that Zahra was dead, well before Zahra was reported missing. Substantial astrological 'evidence' supports the probability that he likely participated in some way/ shape/ form either before, during and/or after the fact.

I would think EB would be squealing all the way to Sunday regarding his involvement, both at time of her arrest and now.

Thanks,
Soulscape