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10-22-2010, 07:50 PM
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Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 12:05 PM
Requested by Puglover:
Kathleen Shea 6 yr. Old vanishes
Going to school

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/shea_kathleen.html

DOB : Feb. 2, 1959 Tyrone Pa.

Disappeared: 3/18/65 last seen around noontime nearing school talked to a neighbor as she walks back to her school after lunch.


Natal without time of her birth:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1641/kathleensheadisappearsa.gif

Pluto was poised in her birth chart for such a potential event to take place and take her as a young child…with Pluto square Mars, square Jupiter opposed to Venus , Quincunx to Mercury and square the Moon. Pluto the planet of transformation, quickly transformed her into an angel at an early age, only 6 yrs.of age on this earth.

Her natal positions, (time unknown) with Venus conjunct fixed star Fomalhaut (an Immortal Name) the ancients say is conferred to one with this star as we saw with quite a few on this form of missing and dead children, one of them I recall was Sylar Orion Newton age 2 who wandered away from his caretakers and died alone in a creekbed.

This little girl had a Celestial lineup which suggested she would meet with an untimely and early demise or had the real possibility of same.

Her Mars already in detriment and square to Pluto is also conjunct exactly to Algol.
So I don’t think she lived and is under an assumed name, but rather left this earth rather early, just after being kidnapped.

If she was born anywhere near the noon hour, her Moon would have been conjunct fixed star Antares, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Antares was a Parans star in her map .
Antares is often seen in the charts of murdered people because it’s a star of violence.

The Ancients called it Anti-Ares, a red star which promotes violent acts or being caught up in violence one way or another through the subconscious or through the acts of another .

Just one more possible pebble heaped upon a soul that took on a lot in a short period of time


Event - Last Seen

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2552/kathleenshealastseeneve.gif


In the Last Seen chart, the sign of Cancer on the Ascendent for this hour, gives the Moon special meaning as the chart's own ruler, and found in the 4th house in Libra the house of endings.

The 3rd house of the primary school and Kathleen’s happy walk to school that day, also included the help of the school crossing guard and a neighbor who said she spoke to her as she walked away to school and was therefore the last person known to speak to her.

The 3rd house shows this activity then, but also shows us more. With Uranus at 12° Virgo, conjunct Pluto at 14° and Mars at 15° we have a line up of potent planets here, ready to snatch and harm a child, in a careful well thought out and methodical way because these planets line up in Virgo, which is seldom haphazard as a sign but thinks ahead of time.

Probably then, this is not a random act, but someone who knew the little girl’s routine and that she would be alone and vulnerable.

The house that shows the vulnerability is the 6th of caregiving ruled by Jupiter found in Taurus in the 11th house of opportunity at 22nd degree of Taurus.

Jupiter is also opposing Neptune in the 5th of the child,hence, fooled the little girl, perhaps it was afterall someone she knew around the school and trusted.

We can see the horror show unfolding as we check the Ruler of the 5th of the child and find that Venus, the ruler is at the MC angle, conjunct to painful Chiron and the Sun itself at 27.53Pisces conjunct the fixed star for misfortune, or Scheat.

North Node conjunct Atropos (death) in the 12th house of imprisonment.

A TransNeptunian hypo. planet or :
Vulcanus in the critical 0 degree of Cancer, square the Sun from the 12th, pointing to
A quick resolve to conclude the deed.
Keyword for Vulcanus : “A Mighty force, energy in the extreme with a compulsive quality to the energy”

So no, I don’t think the family should worry that the child is out there somewhere, I believe she went to heaven shortly after being taken.

Puglover
10-28-2010, 12:55 PM
Thank you so much Leomoon80

Would you happen to know if this was a man or woman? Do you rule the neighbor out that last talked with her? Why do you think this person kidnapped Kathy? Sorry for all the questions, I just wanted to know. Also do you see her maybe buried under cement or concrete?

Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 01:23 PM
Thank you so much Leomoon80

Would you happen to know if this was a man or woman? Do you rule the neighbor out that last talked with her? Why do you think this person kidnapped Kathy? Sorry for all the questions, I just wanted to know. Also do you see her maybe buried under cement or concrete?

I gave pretty much all I have to give on the reading, as I am not a great
Astro-Sleuth and would not want to lead astray.

Perhaps others will take up your more specific questions.

Best,

Leomoon

Puglover
10-28-2010, 01:37 PM
Well I do think that you are great. :blowkiss:

Thanks so much. I am trying to learn, but there are a lot of things to learn and I am at the beginning.

Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 09:56 PM
Just when I think I know he died by his own hand, I'm back to wondering, "But what If?".....What if he simply relocated?

We really need his time of birth to dig deeper then this , but as promised, here is what I have thus far:

Natal with time unknown:
http://www.centredaily.com/2010/04/15/1915225/trail-growing-cold.html


A hidden love life perhaps, trying to hide from his loved ones after his disappearance all potential remnants of this hidden life? Venus Squares Uranus.
OR, was it trying to hide some type of indiscretions at the workplace?

After all, the hard drive was taken out probably by him from the sound of the LE investigation reveals from his home computer and appears he himself researched this and how to do it.

Tossing it from the Bridge? Someone did it appears.

Did he then take up another life or is he dead via a suicide is the ongoing question never resolved.

I feel very badly for his daughter….who he supposedly called often and was reportedly close to. The photo on the cold trail link shows how much grief she has undergone and continues to undergo by this not knowing.

It’s a real shame we don’t have the time of his birth as that may help unravel this mystery.
It’s hard to without it. Perhaps impossible to.

Yes, he had Venus in Virgo square Uranus in Gemini, both ruled by Mercury with Mercury at 21Libra.
Mercury also squares Mars and Saturn (2 Malefics)

Transiting Moira (a death asteroid) conjunct his Uranus and Transiting Hades at 22 degrees Gemini conjuncts his Vulcanus at 21.35Gemini, …..perhaps showing us that the Mercury (mindset) was a lost cause from severe depression over something hidden (Moon was in Scorpio on the day he was born, and therefore it is in Detriment and often hides things in their lives) Scorpio is ruled by Mars and Pluto two serious contenders for deep seated issues, hidden agendas

Moon Ephemeris 1945:http://classiclegendbooks.com/ephemeris/1945/oct.shtml

But was this enough to disappear forever over ? :waitasec: Appears so.

Hades transiting Vulcanus? A strength, mighty force to be reckoned with! And Hades
The depth of a deeply buried unpleasant or sordid issue, often a part of life associated with decay, sorrow, waste, illness and want anything crime related, vulgar or crude.
All of these are keywords for Hades.

North Node was transiting at 22Aries, conjunct his natal Hades 23.55Aries on the day he disappeared

note: The chart should say, "Ray" not Roy. I just noticed and it's far too much trouble to go back and redo for one letter.:blushing:


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/652/roygricarmissingdaevent.gif

Event of Last Phone Call:

First we have the Moon Ruling the Ascendent of the last phone call to the Girlfriend.
The Moon takes on special prominance then, and it conjuncts Saturn and the Ascendent, it’s a radical chart.
Vulcanus (the extremes in intensity and strength) is in the 1st house along with Saturn.
Hades (the worse and deep seated regarding illnesses) in the 12th of self-imprisonment, in the 22nd (self undoing degree) is the same degree as the North Node (the fate) as well as Admetos (long held deeply rooted problem) unyielding and immovable are other keywords for this TNP.

The mind was made up.

Mercury squares Pluto.
The 6th house of decisions, has Pluto in house and Jupiter rules . Jupiter found in the 4th
Of “endings” conjunct Zeus (compulsion and drive) conjunct POF same degree as Zeus or 8 Libra – conjunct Vindiamiatrix, the stage was set ahead of time.


The IC angle 4th house of endings, is at the Crisis degree for this phone call 29th and Juno conjuncts the MC
Also in the crisis degree.

Does this chart however, REALLY show a death? Or does it show someone at the end of the line emotionally , mentally and hell bent on a new identify?

I'm leaning towards a suicide but reserve the right to change my mind and perhaps I shall if I can be shown differently astrologically that this is the case. Or of course, through evidence and even his time of birth (most helpful)


We know however, this is a Phone Call Event chart. The last one he supposedly made.

Note: Mars (the physical body) conjuncts Neptune (undermining him) in the house of death with the Ruler of the 8th, and in this case Uranus found in the 9th conjunct fixed star “Skat” (a great misfortune) and leads me to believe it was a great mental and emotional depression he suffered and therefore, ended his own life.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/652/roygricarmissingdaevent.gif

Puglover
10-28-2010, 10:31 PM
Thank you so much. I will try to come up with a time of birth. Is there any way that having the live in's birthdate would help?
Some say they think that he might have been murdered. Do you see anything like that? Also could you do a chart on April 13, 2005 when he took the morning off and was seen at Lake Raystown, Hungtingdon. Or a chart when he was last by surveillance coming out of the courthouse at 9:00 p.m. They probably will be more questions as this case has haunted so many people. He was our beloved DA. We would just like to find out what happened to him. He was a very thorough DA and it wasn't in his personality to disappear since he just had about 6 months left to retirement. He loved his daughter dearly and it is unbelievable that he would put his daughter through this since he went through a supposed suicide of his brother.

Leomoon80
10-28-2010, 10:44 PM
Thank you so much. I will try to come up with a time of birth. Is there any way that having the live in's birthdate would help?

No. There are no suspects and everyone has been cleared that was close to him via Polygraphs etc.

No help or further information to be had from any one else's time of birth or birthdate.

Leomoon80
10-29-2010, 01:04 PM
Puglover;]Thank you so much. I will try to come up with a time of birth. Is there any way that having the live in's birthdate would help?
Some say they think that he might have been murdered. Do you see anything like that? Also could you do a chart on April 13, 2005 when he took the morning off and was seen at Lake Raystown, Hungtingdon. Or a chart when he was last by surveillance coming out of the courthouse at 9:00 p.m.


Yes, but only with exact dates and exact times and places.

I don't see where the 13th of April however, and seen in Lake Raystown would be of any value 2 days before the disappearance. If I disappeared today , my neighbor could say that they saw me 2 days ago walking to the mailbox for instance.

Perhaps if someone saw him on this day at a particular time, and he seemed agitated or expressed concern about something to that witness , then it may warrant a chart for a look-see.

However, the survailance camera Video at 9:00PM from the courthouse one may be intriguing. What date was this?

Was it the night before he disappeared? Or the 14th?

Do you have a link for it......:waitasec:

Here is the Rule concerning this particular thread, so perhaps there is another you can put your many questions on to? Ask 5th Essence, via PM:


Because of time constraints and the enormous energy it takes for Astrologers to maintain a Case Thread, the CASE BRIEFINGS THREAD is a compromise of sorts: the Astrological posts within will be either brief and/or limited in number regarding any specific case.

Puglover
10-29-2010, 03:47 PM
Leomoon80, thank you so much for all that you do. I know that doing the charts are a lot of work.

I did find a web site pertaining to Ray being on surveillance at the Courthouse in Bellefonte, PA

Police also viewed Centre County courthouse surveillance tape that showed Gricar coming into his office at about 6:19 p.m. and leaving at about 9:07 p.m. April 14, the day before he was reported missing, Dixon said.

4/14/05 Ray going into his office at 6:19 p.m.
Ray seen by surveillance leaving his office at 9:07 p.m.

The next day he disappeared.

http://www.centredaily.com/2005/05/12/3776/police-find-no-clues-on-surveillance.html

Leomoon80
10-29-2010, 04:23 PM
Leomoon80, thank you so much for all that you do. I know that doing the charts are a lot of work.

I did find a web site pertaining to Ray being on surveillance at the Courthouse in Bellefonte, PA

Police also viewed Centre County courthouse surveillance tape that showed Gricar coming into his office at about 6:19 p.m. and leaving at about 9:07 p.m. April 14, the day before he was reported missing, Dixon said.

4/14/05 Ray going into his office at 6:19 p.m.
Ray seen by surveillance leaving his office at 9:07 p.m.

The next day he disappeared.

http://www.centredaily.com/2005/05/12/3776/police-find-no-clues-on-surveillance.html


In keeping with the rules of the thread, to keep the responses condensed. This point in time for him appears to say he was despondant. With 11Scorpio Rising when he left the courthouse, conjunct “Crux” the burden to bear and square to Mars on the I/C cusp, it appears that this time may have set a stage for the disappearance the next afternoon.

Neptune is conjunct Mars on the IC cusp (Mars being the ruler of the chart) within one degree and with Chiron in the 3rd, I’d say he was despondant and decided to disappear as the 3rd is the computer and the records as well as his mindset at this time or what he was investigating perhaps here in the courthouse.

Without his time of birth (and then we may start it’s own thread in accordance with the rules), we cannot say more about the mode of exit he arranged for himself.

Anubis (related to suicides) is conjunct Mercury in the 5th, and in the house of ruling decisions, or the 6th, it appears that the NN is conjunct the Sun and Venus is here as well in Aries, in a crisis degree the 29th..
My feeling about this point in time as relates to him, is the Vertex in the 8th of death, is 22nd degree and conjunct Hades within minutes in Gemini, an air sign.
It is the same degree as the North Node (fated occurrence) in the 6th of decisions.

So I feel this is a marker for his death and his decision to complete what he did the following day.

He still may be out there somewhere, as it could conceivably be pointing to the death of an ego self.
Perhaps he decided to be reborn as another……so the time of birth in this case is more crucial then not.

Until we have that and unless it is a verified time , I am disposed to not doing any more guess work on this case.

I can also appreciate how concerned the entire community is, as well the family. They may request their privacy as well in this matter of grieving his loss.

Leomoon80
11-03-2010, 01:01 AM
This young man was extremely intelligent, probably a higher IQ (Ascendent conjunct Aldebaren, which confers an honor in intelligence) . The Fixed star Aldebaren is also one of 4 Royal Persian stars…and sometimes can work against us as well.
Thus, his mind or Mercury in his natal the symbol of the lower mind, ,
becomes all important as the chart’s own Ruler. He had much potential, but depending upon one’s own religious and philosophical viewpoints, it appears to me that the weight of the vibrations were too much for him to bear in this lifetime to overcome them.

The overall strength here, is lessened for him because Mercury is square Jupiter more importantly however, it’s not this square that really does overcompensates with emotional angst for him, as Jupiter is in Pisces a sign known for much emotion,
But rather the true trouble I see, was his Mercury Quincunx (a health aspect) to the 6th house Neptune (see the broken green lines) linking Neptune to Mercury at the Ascendent and then over to the Moon in the 7th house of others.

This suggests to me that his mind was emotionally plagued in some fashion, perhaps unbeknownst to his family he may have kept the upset to himself.
Often people will do this.


A Yod (called the finger of god) with the focal point of expenditure for the energy lying in the Apex of Mercury says his emotions (the Moon) were getting the best of him and he simply did not have a way to cope with them because Neptune in the 6th house of our health, was greatly afflicted at his birth making it a potentially organic problem or some undiagnosed mental issues with Jupiter exaggerating the problems for him.

Using this type of chart we can see various and complicated formations that he was born to examining the aspects the various planets make to each other.

For instance, he had a Kite formation which connected the energies of Jupiter in the 10th or public house in Pisces, with Mars (his physical body) in the 12th or hidden house,
We often call the 12th house, the house of imprisonment because the energies don’t really operate well here to our advantage, but often seem to hold us prisoner to them.

The other planets involved in this Kite you can see visually on the chart, are the Moon in the 8th house of obsessions, and can easily point to death and sexual overtones here, we call it the house of “other’s assets” because it often involves others (such as being obsessed over others, or over death issues, or even sexual abuse can have a signature from this axis of the 2nd house to the 8th house, called the Axis of Desire.

There may have even been in his natal chart, what is called a Quindecile between
Pluto and Lachesis, ….and both of these (one a planet, one an asteroid) have to do with death. His own Pluto was in his 4th house of home life, early foundation of his life. Pluto was adversely
Square to Mercury and opposing Jupiter, there may have been a silent brooding that no one was aware of unless the subtle part of his personality was known to some. Pluto squared his ASC place, and is called the planet of transformation and destruction for a reason. This is an extremely potent position for overcoming in one lifetime these energies.


Again, having Mars in the 12th, has not a lot of place to go when this brooding occurs, as Mars in Taurus is in Detriment, meaning the same thing, ….not able to really efficiently effuse the energy within. Becoming perhaps a cauldron of emotion he simply cannot get out easily or exhibit to others.

I would see the Mars placement in his natal chart as energy that was extremely detrimental and hard for him to overcome in this lifetime.
We are all born differently as you know, and not all of us have the same capabilty to defend ourselves or even to tell others what our problems are and therefore seek help in a successful way.

I believe this was his problem.

Another Royal Persian star was Regulus in his natal but it was conjunct to the erratic and unpredictable planet Uranus. This was then what we call a natal promise to him. Meaning it would eventually come to bear that he would need to adjust to what Regulus promises or fall under it’s weight.
Most adjust……but for him, the 6th house planets and the formations made, simply made the weight too much to bear.

When the Tertiary minor progressions pushed Uranus at 9Virgo45minutes over his natal
Pluto the worse occurred and that internal explosion could not allay the volcanic eruption he must have felt.

Perhaps the trigger was the car wreck?………Perhaps it was feeling he could not keep up and couldn’t take the consequences of more going wrong in his life.

I see a brooding young man, intelligent but yet imprisoned by his own internal emotions which worked against him. With Antares (the red star) on his DC cusp opposing his Ascendent and the planets there, he took instead the path of least resistance to end his suffering.
His 8th house cusp is ruled by Saturn, and Saturn conjuncts the MC

We can see that all angles are compromised by critical stars, an afflicted the MC ….and these too add up to the natal promises of troubling times.

I haven’t yet begun to really disassemble this chart and it’s potentiality, (Progressions, Parans – Morinous pre-natal etc.) but give you this effort here and now as the natal promises look to me,
as a reassurance that thus far, [B]it’s leaning heavily as I’m saying, to his ending of his own life prematurely from all I can see.

My feeling from the natal chart and it’s formations made, including the Mystic Rectangle, the Kite, the Yod, etc. is that the energies he had to work with, were afflicted by some organic or undiagnosed mental issues that needed quite a bit of help, but he was unable to ask or tell anyone about it.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8790/pugloversstepbrothercom.gif

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8848/pugloversstepbrotertmin.gif

Leomoon80
11-03-2010, 01:42 AM
In the event chart, we can see the death by following the green broken lines (the Yod)
Between the planet Neptune (in the 10th house) conjunct to the Black Moon Lilith, always a shadow for us to contend with, and in this case, showing again, his mental
problems , as the Black Moon overshadows Neptune here., linking this place then to the 8th house of Death, and Pluto.

Connecting Pluto and Neptune, the green broken line of the Yod (finger of god as it’s termed)
Goes to the Sun (the death event) conjunct Chiron (the inner wound)
Part of Fortune conjuncts Moira and opposes Uranus (the separation of the body to the spirit and separating from the earth plane….and then Part of Fortune also squares the Ascendent, (the physical as he was known to the family)

The event itself is of immense tragedy as shown by the fixed star Algol, the worse star in the heavens…the Chinese dubbed “piled up corpses”….to show the immensity of the harm that this star potentially can inflict.

This takes place in the 3rd house of the lower mind, and the 6th house of decision making, shows us Anubis the suicide asteroid, the decision to leave this plane of suffering.

Mercury conjuncts the 4th house cusp exact orb, so this is telling us it was his own decision and mental mindset that decided to take this route.

Mars in the house of commitments and conjunct Pallas Athena, suggests it was a premeditated act and not spontaneous.

Saturn the planet of woe, timing and karma, conjuncts the cusp of the 8th, the house of death.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1673/puglovereventofdeath.gif

Puglover
11-03-2010, 02:31 AM
Thank you so much Leomoon80, I learned so much. He was a young man that tried to please everyone. He was a crippled child and used a brace and cane when he was little till about high school. He eventually overcame that and walked as well as a healthy person would. His death was really horrific. Once again thanks so much.

Leomoon80
11-03-2010, 01:46 PM
Thank you so much Leomoon80, I learned so much. He was a young man that tried to please everyone. He was a crippled child and used a brace and cane when he was little till about high school. He eventually overcame that and walked as well as a healthy person would. His death was really horrific. Once again thanks so much.

And thank you for your feedback, as I often learn more when people give this.
We see Mars is the Ruler of his 6th House of health, and as I said, find Mars in the 12th house of self-imprisonment and in "Detriment" in Taurus.

Thus the physical condition was immensely compromised, and added to his decision for certain, to not prolong the suffering here.

I'm so sorry for the immense loss you all must continue to feel.

Time is like that,...........in that sometimes, it's as if no time at all passed when it comes to pivotal moments in our lives.

I know, I live it too.

Best,

Leomoon

Tuba
11-07-2010, 10:43 PM
NOTE: We presumed the husband was truthful when he said she drove away that evening and believed the initial info provided by Rochelle's sister.




http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/RochelleaLeavesAlbuquerque001.jpg




This woman needs our prayers, as she left when circumstances were menacing. There problem here, as in the Nancy Moyer chart, is that the ruler of the horoscope, Mercury, is found in a Cadent House and a Fixed Sign. This is a weak position and she will not act in her own interest or to her own advantage until all hope is gone. There is a dependency here. She is distressed about her personal affairs but also physically, generally upset. Especially due to the Fixity of Mercury, matters drag and come to light over time. Due to the interception of the Moon, we know her course was blocked but----by whom? Since she did not know the city, she could have been blocked by misdirection. It is those two young men in the lawbreaking stance that worry me and they are not ruled by the Sun or Jupiter. They are MARS.

nanny1
11-09-2010, 12:46 PM
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NOTICE: Sadly, Rochelle has been located. Found in the rental car. Cause of death possible suicide per article, NOT confirmed yet.
Be aware her family reads on the WS site so please hold off with comments for the time being.
THANK YOU
http://www.koat.com/news/25762244/detail.html

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Tuba can the charts tell us anymore about Michelle .. It's been 6 days and still no word. It's been said in her thread that the maid supposedly saw her on Thursday the 4th. The husband stated she send bazaar messages after she left on the 3rd. There has been no credit card activity.

Leomoon80
11-09-2010, 12:53 PM
I have read on the main forum, about the 2 bizarre messages, that the husband provided to the LE.

Does CPP know that this is a fact?

And did it occur, "after" the fact in otherwords after "last seen"?

Did CPP comment yet that these bizzare texts are actually known to the police?

That makes a ton of difference, imo, as I used Anubis an asteroid, and it appears in the 1st house of the last seen chart with Admetoes in the 12th.

I'd like however to know this is a fact first., of the texts labeled as "bizarre" if it can be checked out.

nanny1
11-09-2010, 02:10 PM
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NOTICE: Sadly, Rochelle has been located. Found in the rental car. Cause of death possible suicide per article, NOT confirmed yet.
Be aware her family reads on the WS site so please hold off with comments for the time being.
THANK YOU
http://www.koat.com/news/25762244/detail.html

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I have read on the main forum, about the 2 bizarre messages, that the husband provided to the LE.

Does CPP know that this is a fact?

And did it occur, "after" the fact in otherwords after "last seen"?

Did CPP comment yet that these bizzare texts are actually known to the police?

That makes a ton of difference, imo, as I used Anubis an asteroid, and it appears in the 1st house of the last seen chart with Admetoes in the 12th.

I'd like however to know this is a fact first., of the texts labeled as "bizarre" if it can be checked out.

Leomoon8 there has been no confirmation on the text message. Still waiting to hear.

Leomoon80
11-15-2010, 09:48 PM
Without her time of birth, it's hard to find out more.....but we will try with a random place on this island, in Guam as well, how the vibrations looked to me, as she (unknowingly) said goodbye to her mother for the last time:


Such a poignant chart of a mother’s goodbye to her daughter. Of course it’s showing us the subconscious mind’s vibrations in relation to the place and time of the Goodbye, but it’s all there nevertheless within reason on the island of Guam.

Here, the Ascendant or Chart Ruler is very critical in the 13th degree of a Cardinal Sign Aries putting Libra on the opposite angle or Descendant.

Mars, the Ruler of the Chart, is opposed to the MC for in a few hours time, this lady would no longer be. Uranus (the seperation - force from her loved ones ) is also conjunct The MC cusp the place of public

The more poignant theme of this chart is the Moon in the house of motherOr Cancer on the cusp (and the Moon rules the sign of Cancer) the sign of motherhoodWhere the foundation or the mother lies, or the 4th house.

The house associated with the daughter is the 5th, and Chiron placed here tells us of the inner wound soon to take place to be felt in the material world from this great loss.

The Part of Fortune at 10 degrees is Quincunx to the MC at 10 degrees, and exact aspect of orb. The pain will be severe in the parting as the fortune speaks to this well.

Venus found in the 7th of committed relationships also squares Ceres, the nurturer.

Mars, the chart ruler and eventual death of the mother, is forming a sesquare to Pluto, which points to a dominating theme, efforts that excites the energy.

Mars with Pluto………death in hours.
Pluto in the 8th house of death, and Mars along with Juno (in a crisis degree) bidding her loving daughter goodbye for the last time.

I do not think it was long after, perhaps the same night she died.

This chart reflects this goodbye kiss well.

The North Node is likewise, poised for the exit. The NN squares the Sun Which itself falls into the crisis degree of 29Virgo; The North Node also squares Jupiter
(luck has run out) and the North node is semi-square to Saturn, (I read as a karmic but woeful event) yet the North Node does sextile Venus, (leaves with love in her heart being exhibited here)

The North Node biQuintiles the Moon in Leo, the mother seen as almost a heroine figure to the daughter I would think.

Edgar Cayce the great prophet said we know ahead of time subconsciously when we are going to take our leave of this veil of tears…and I think that’s true from all I’ve witnessed. Of course this does not mean the manner of which we take our leave needs to be in such a way that has been set into motion either…Everyone has free choice to commit the unspeakable crime or not. There are other ways for the soul to take it’s exit besides violence towards them.

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Leomoon80
11-16-2010, 02:04 AM
Quote:

Originally Posted by jessc.
Thank you Leomoon. I can try to find my aunts time of birth. With the info you already have can you tell the manner she died and maybe who murdered her and why?
Here is what I did so far.....but surely the time of birth and location would be most helpful,

This however is what I wrote originally.....as notes that I could see.


Interesting to see that when the Transit of Pluto came around to station at 20Degrees and 57minutes of Scorpio (a Definite loss degree), then she lost her life, as her Sun was 20Scorp27minutes, thus fulfilling a natal promise but in a way we might least suspect.

Her Venus at 7Capricorn 29min. is conjunct to fixed star Facies, (not a good star for love affairs without much difficulties involved)….it easily could have been a love triangle or jealousy involved.

Her natal Venus is also square to Cupido (love affairs)..and relationships…so inharmonious alignment , and the troublesome Facies for her Venus star.

Another point of interest is when she was murdered, Transiting Moon was at 11 degrees Scorpio, and her own natal Uranus (the unexpected or erratic events) planet was also located 11 Scorpio.

Transiting Saturn was also at 12Aquarius, a negative star associated at this degree too,
And her own Chiron was 12 Aquarius, so Saturn conjunct Chiron.

Speaking of Transiting karmic Saturn conjunct Chiron, (the inner wound) we also see that Transiting Saturn and hence, Chiron were also angled with a square from Transiting
Atropos (marker of death asteroid) at 11 Scorpio which stationed over her natal North Node

A secondary Fate of the Moira, called asteroid Lachesis which accompanies Moira and Atropos in pointing to death, happened to be transiting at 1 degree Virgo conjunct Regulus, the fixed star and conjunct her natal “Zeus” . Zeus is that
Directed energy compulsive force that directs violence onto her.

I think it was provoked by jealousy of someone she knew so this was personal in it’s scope of vengeance or anger displayed.

Cupid and Venus seem to be saying this.

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Leomoon80
11-17-2010, 09:57 PM
corrected natal (no time of birth):

Such a lovely name Coral Pearl, for such a lovely young girl as she was.

There seems to be a difference of opinion in two extremes from all I have read from the articles and on the WS forum links.
1)That Coral escaped the tyranny of her home with an “adult male boyfriend” and went to LA area perhaps being used there by men .
2)That Coral was murdered not long after that last phone call.

No family member or friends have heard from her in 12 yrs.
The relative she lived with moved and changed her name, and is not easily found
And there is also a question of a lie detector test being given or sought.

3)This is a cold case now, and seems to be quite inactive?

I’ll give you what I see in her natal that may point in one direction or favor another.

Sun is 28Virgo – square to Mars, Jupiter , semi-square Saturn and square to Neptune.
This then is not a good way to start a life,…and the father archetype is severely stunted or non existant in a positive sense for this young girl,…and I say "young" because Coral Pearl was only 14 when she disappeared from the radar and up to that point, had a rather brutal existance.

A quintile to Uranus, the creative aspect may suggest a purpose to the disappearance that she herself engineered.

That’s one consideration we will consider when weighing this chart….Did she or didn’t she go willingly?

When Coral disappeared, there was Transiting Pluto over her natal Uranus, a sure indicator of either abduction or something quite unexpected happening to her that would be life altering.

Her natal Pluto that day was being transited by the Black Moon Lilith, that shadow consciousness, that often indicates transits of horror being visited upon us.

Since we see Transiting Lacheses (the asteroid of a death indication…the length of life being cut), …hovering over her natal Sun or at 27degrees57minutes, coming to within one degree of exact orb when she disappeared.

This then, is now weighing far more weighted towards death rather then creating a new lifestyle and going away on her own.

Coral Pearl had a terribly hard life…..it is evidenced too, by her North Node (the soul’s purpose) conjunct fixed star “Alcoyne”….entering into the Pleaides star group.

We see her Ceres (nurturing) conjunct Algol and close to Alcoyne and the NN. Very very sad life. This too, is another indication that death may have come early to her, especially because of Algol’s presence.

Transiting Moira (fated asteroid for death) and Uranus (adbuction or the unexpected event) is squaring her natal “Hopi”….(ambush, knives stabbings, etc) and Transiting Hopi with Atropos (death asteroid) are opposed to her natal Jupiter (luck) and spiritual return (breaking the bonds here)

I can see why people liked her and she had so many friends who truly cared about her.
She had Jupiter conjunct closely to Neptune, giving her a certain allure and mystique about her, yet a quality that is hard to capture., a kind and generous Sagittarius happy spirit. In spite of it all, she could laugh.

She had a lovely Trine to Jupiter, an outer spiritual planet with her harmony of this generous spirit to her Mercury.

Sometimes, precious people simply do not stay here long, are taken early and their spirit is rejuvenated such as with this lovely girl.

Her natal Toro (keyword: brutality,rage,violence) is conjoined with her natal Venus.

Venus in the sign of it’s own sign, Libra – yet in the 25th degree (critical) semi-square to Uranus and conjunct to Toro and Pluto, leads me to believe that her soul took it’s flight around this point in time, and she left this earthy veil of tears behind her.

She left this earth when the South Node was square to Transiting Pluto….And transiting Saturn opposed her natal Pluto and Transiting Black Moon.
Her soul was ready and she left …..

It’s so wonderful I think to have such a legacy of so many dear friends who think this well of you as she had.
I’m sure she feels (and still feels) that love and it sustains her until you all meet again.

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Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-18-2010, 01:15 PM
I Am so greatful that you did this for me, from what I understand my suspicions are correct. Coral is no longer with us. Is there anything else you can tell me by reading her chart in more detail about what happened? I think you did a really good job explaining to me what the chart means but it still is a little confusing.

Leomoon80
11-18-2010, 01:37 PM
I Am so greatful that you did this for me, from what I understand my suspicions are correct. Coral is no longer with us. Is there anything else you can tell me by reading her chart in more detail about what happened? I think you did a really good job explaining to me what the chart means but it still is a little confusing.

Hi Melissa:

As I said via PM, we need that time of the last phone call to proceed with anything near clarity.
The Natal stands as it is, with the transits she might succomb to, but of course the other people born on that same day and place are included for the same vibrations, and they didn't disappear, or not that we are aware of.

This then, is the problem without a time of someone's birth. We can only generalize at best.

Thanks for your support.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-18-2010, 01:59 PM
Ok, I will work on getting Coral's time of birth also, and I called the journalist and left a message asking him for help getting the time she made the call. Hpoefully he can get it for me or help me get in contact with Melissa Pierce so I can ask her.

Leomoon80
11-18-2010, 05:58 PM
Very fitting that Fomalhaut is the Rising degree Star of this Ascendent in the Event Chart of "Last Seen on Camera" for Hattie Brown:

The Desert Storm veteran is described as an outgoing woman — adventurous, kind and willing to help anyone.

“She had a beautiful spirit,” Barbara said.

Hattie was the first female sergeant in her platoon. She retired in 1998 and a few years later moved back home to help care for her ailing mother.

http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=6159.0

I'll post 2 charts....one her Natal (no time of birth) so a generic type of reading, and the other - the "Last Seen at Sheetz Convenience store" on Camera Event chart:

Harrie had a midpoint conj. REGULUS between Uranus & Moira- I’m not surprised she died young, but this may have occurred even in the wars she was involved in.
The Gulf War for one. She did have This Midpoint of 27Leo35min. and Regulus opposed to Chiron And when the transit of Neptune,Chiron and Jupiter came over this area of her chart
The fated promise of Regulus was triggered and she metaphorically, fell from the top.
No doubt she was looked up to and seen by her family as a hero figure, but Regulus will do this it’s a natal promise, to cut one down…..but by whose hand did this occur?

The catalyst didn’t have to be a person…..she could have just as easily stepped on a live grenade!

Hattie had her natal Saturn in Capricorn, thus exalted here in the sign of it’s own rulership…and Pallas likewise, conjunct Saturn in Capricorn. She was military through and through…a woman who liked the uniform and code of honor.
When she was cut down, she had a Saturn transit going over her North Node in Virgo
In minutes of an exact orb.
The TNP Zeus was transiting over her Poseidon…a compulsion drive of directed energy and directed at Hattie..perhaps he put her in water ?

Transiting Apollon (the multiplier) …was transiting over her natal Venus & Lacheses (the indicator of death) and the allotted time.
Cupido at 16Sag, over her natal Juno 17Sag (jealousy, revenge) – (more then a passing interest, it appears to have been a sexually driven murder ) or personal enough to encourage some type of inner rage at the woman. The murder was one of abduction to possess (she had Persophone at 15degrees Sagittarius) so likewise, Persophone the asteroid of abduction, rape and kidnapping was also in the mix being transited and is possible here.

The Sun & Mercury were transiting Hattie’s natal Atropos (the other asteroid we use for deaths)…and celestial lineups were there for her passing.

As for who killed her? It was vicious because Transiting Hades conjuncts Vulcanus and Mars in her chart.And her Mars at 0Cancer was already a natal promise, as it’s in a critical degree as well as in “Fall” in the sign of Cancer, hence not working in her favor . As I said, she could have died in the Gulf War, but she did not. (the opposition of Mars to Jupiter the military)

Instead it was this maniac who came about, and killed Hattie and burned her car completely, so that the evidence of perhaps him in the vehicle doing whatever he did, could never be known or seen.

The M.O. doesn’t seem to fit, (the burned car with M. Harrington’s case at the concert that night) but I haven't really considered it yet as for a great in depth study of same.
I did however, look at Morgan's "Last seen" chart posted here, and I found:

ASC 7-8Gemini putting the DC cusp of the other at 7-8SAG (violence)
Pluto was on the cusp of the 8th and the 8th cusp was critical at 1Capricorn
(the 8th was the death of Morgan)
11th cusp is Pisces and Uranus is in this house of opportunity
The cusp of the I/C (end of the matter or 4th house) is 15Leo fixed with Mars at 0degrees Leo in the 3rd house.

IF her nephew was labeled by the LE a “Suspect” which I have read, then why not post his date of birth since he was the last one to see her according to the camera photo?

snipped:http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0709/644010.html?ref=rs
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=6159.0

Nephew Considered Suspect in Woman's Disappearance
07/27/09 1:17 pm

Halifax Co., VA - Police are now calling the nephew of a missing woman a suspect in her disappearance.
Derek Edward Brown was the last person seen with Hattie Brown. Hattie has been missing since mid May. She was last seen outside the Sheetz gas station near South Boston with her nephew.

Police say the reward for the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in Brown's disappearance is now $10,000.

Leomoon80
11-18-2010, 06:07 PM
Natal without time of her birth:

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Event of Last seen on Camera before disappearing:

Note that the Sun in the 3rd of the communications and camera....is conjunct Algol and Mercury and this is why I think at this particular time, her death was in the works...being recorded on the "skein of space and time" as Edgar Cayce termed the records of vibrations.... which is what we are picking up in this chart:

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The Ascendent rising is 3Pisces conjunct the fixed star “Fomalhaut” a Persian Royal Star known primarily for the ancients saying it is about “An Immortal Name”
Perhaps it’s fitting for Hattie…to never be forgotten. The planet Neptune rules Pisces, and is found in the 12th house of hidden things, and conjunct this Ascendent. It is showing by it’s aspects (square Mercury and square Sun) that she was lied to in order to get her alone, perhaps taking off with her in the automobile that the killer eventually burned to a cinder. The evidence then, burned up.

Since we do not have Hattie’s time of birth (although sometimes people can go down to the local courthouse and look up the records themselves if they have a mind to and the state allows for it)…and in this way we may see more, such as whether or not a relative of Hattie’s caused her demise. There is a way in the Natal Chart to scope out our relatives, type or relationships they may represent in our lives.

For instance, the 3rd house cusp is the representation of our siblings, and from there we’d count 5 houses for the child of our sibling., or our neice or nephew.
This is called “Derivative” houses in the natal chart sometimes used in Horary work as well.

IF however, there is a suspect “named” by the LE or newspapers, and we have their dates of birth, we can scope them out as well, generically speaking as to the transits on the day Hattie went missing.

Meanwhile for this event chart, we can see a few things easily enough.

1)The communications house, the 3rd is the Sheetz convenience store, so that is easily seen as well Neptune mentioned above in the 12th (hidden house) it’s lies and deceptive quality here because it squares the 2 planets in the 3rd where the conversation was taking place, i.e. Mercury & the Sun.

2) She was lied to, and left perhaps willingly in her automobile….with the perpetrator imo.
3)Hopi (association with ambushings knives, etc.) is here the same degree as Moira (death) with Atropos (death) all in the 3rd house and conj. the 4th house cusp.

4)The 4th house cusp or the house of endings, ruled by Gemini, is dualistic.Says one thing, but does another.
The Part of Fortune here, for this event, is dire as it squares Saturn (her death )

As I said, I’d like to see the named suspects dob, and time if possible…..to potentially rule him in or out.

Secondary ruler or co-ruler of the Asc. is Jupiter found in the 12th, same as Neptune (primary ruler) found here. The Moon found in the 12th quincunx to Saturn in the 7th or others.

Her death was designed during this point in time.
No question about that.

jbowman55
11-18-2010, 11:17 PM
Thank you, Leomoon. I am still digesting the reading, but am so very appreciative. I sent you a PM.

Will try at my first opportunity to see if additional birth date/time information is available at the courthouse.

I can tell already that I should pull the astrology books down and give them a read. It's been years.

Thank you ever so much.

JB

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Leomoon80, Greg Hosmer, the detective on Coral's case, emailed me back. He only had LJ's birthdate, 1/09/1940. No time of birth. I asked him if he could get a copy of Coral's birth certificate, hopefully the time of birth is on it. Do you know when they started putting time of birth on birth certificates? But hopefully you can still cross reference them. Still haven't heard back from the journalist concerning the last phone call Coral made. I am sure he will get back with me soon. He has helped me with her case before.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-19-2010, 08:33 PM
Leomoon80, Detective Hosmer emailed me back, great news! I got Coral's time of birth, It's 9/21/84 at 10:28 p.m. Still no word from the journalist but sometimes he gets busy and I don't hear from him for a couple days. When I find out the time of the last call and info on Melissa Pierce I'll let you know. Can you please update Coral's chart as soon as you can? I am very anxious to see the results! Thanks for everything, Melissa

Leomoon80
11-19-2010, 10:52 PM
Leomoon80, Detective Hosmer emailed me back, great news! I got Coral's time of birth, It's 9/21/84 at 10:28 p.m. Still no word from the journalist but sometimes he gets busy and I don't hear from him for a couple days. When I find out the time of the last call and info on Melissa Pierce I'll let you know. Can you please update Coral's chart as soon as you can? I am very anxious to see the results! Thanks for everything, Melissa

Using the astro.com natal chart, they are a little squashed...so you may need to read the transits (the degree and signs), as they may appear a bit "off-kilter" from where they actually are, but "close enough for government work" as us old timers use to say when things weren't quite right, lol :waitasec:

Perhaps if I get time I will create another chart with Arabic Lots as well.

Meanwhile, we can see this one with the various TNPs (TransNeptunians or Uranians as they are termed) and various asteroids...
So each chart gives us a new perspective on Coral Pearl and her disappearance:

In addition to what I’ve already given for her natal positions, we see now that Coral had her Rising sign at almost 8Gemini which gives her born under the star “Aldebaren” in Gemini, a Persian Royal star said to confer an honor in Intelligence.
I’m sure she was then, quite intelligent a young woman.
Her Ascendent or Chart Ruler is square to Mercury, sesquare to Venus , opposed to Uranus (in fact almost all of Uranus (the unexpected and erratic ) is harsh in their aspects made here), but her ASC is also opposed to Uranus meaning it was likely that she’d be facing some rather weird or strange occurrences in life, and not the least perhaps her own abduction for Uranus often separates us from loved ones.

In her known time of birth chart, we see Uranus sitting atop the DC cusp, meaning, she was separated early on in life, from her loved ones (friends) and very possibly murdered, because Transiting Pluto is coming to conjunct this cusp of “others” in her chart.

Perhaps more disconcerting to me is that Transiting Saturn is making an opposition to her natal Vertex (the fated event or person ) and opposition to natal Pluto in a house we consider in all branches of Astrology as the house of woe and hardships, or the 6th House.
Called the “House of Bad Fortune” by the ancients, and the 12th which is opposite the 6th, and the polarity “The House of Bad Daemon”, they were both considered to be houses that lock the energy within to do harm rather then help.

Perhaps it is because the 6th was considered to have been designated for Mars (a traditional malefic) in Mars said to Joy there, and the 11th, traditionally a house of benefit, was considered to have Jupiter (a benefic) in it’s assigned Joy , whereas the 12th opposite the 6th, was the “Joy of Saturn” :( and assigned this to the 12th house or where Saturn has it's joy.

These were the names of the houses assigned Planets and their Joy (i.e. doing well here) during the time of Ptolemy over 2000 years ago, and have since gone through some change perhaps a few alternative ideas of the joys, over these many years, yet still today, we can see the obvious harm of some of these houses, the benefit of others, and sense that the ancients had when making these remarks. We truly have to respect their knowledge.

What then does Coral Pearl have assigned in her 6th house the
“House of Bad Daemon?”

She had Venus in tropical late degree of Libra and we know how she suffered with Venus in her short life , Pluto in the 0 degree of Scorpio, her Vertex (people and events fated to be) and then Saturn (woe and karma) and all of the last have it’s natural ruler being Mars the malefic planet in the house that Mars Joys in.

It’s no wonder then, that something awful befell Coral Pearl when she was young as we can see Chiron moving over this house as well, Pluto climbing to meet the D/C Cusp, itself in bad or troublesome stead because it conjoins Uranus.

It’s also no wonder to me, that the ancients not only observed these Persian Royal Stars and called them wondrous (Regulus for instance, the “Heart of the Lion” in late tropical Leo has now moved (the fixed stars DO move, every 72 years)..into 01Virgo recently.
But they were considered to be indicators of sometimes, great strength and leadership and other times, great misfortune so we always know even today to watch them in the charts carefully.

We see Coral Pearl had 3 of these Persian Royal Stars in her natal chart. The two I mentioned, (Antares & Aldebaren) and you can read their initials (abbreviations) on the ASC and the DC cusp ……and then the 3rd? “Regulus” was being transited at the time she went missing by the North Node of the Moon. Look for REG and the Transiting North Node. :(

Perhaps I'll be posting on the Library section or General, a chart I found with the various ancient themes from Ptolemy on down the ages that show how the houses were seen. The Houses of course are about consciousness, both personal and Collective, and a man-made construct.

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Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-20-2010, 01:30 PM
Than you Leomoon, for updating Coral's chart with the new info. I just wish I could understand more of what you are saying. I don't know all the technical terms you use in the chart. Could you dumb it down a bit for me? So that I can get a story of what you think happened to her? I know you can only get so much from the info that you have and without the time she went missing there is not much more you can do. Still waiting for the journalist to get back with me. Hopefully he will call me this weekend sometime.

Leomoon80
11-20-2010, 11:21 PM
Than you Leomoon, for updating Coral's chart with the new info. I just wish I could understand more of what you are saying. I don't know all the technical terms you use in the chart. Could you dumb it down a bit for me? So that I can get a story of what you think happened to her? I know you can only get so much from the info that you have and without the time she went missing there is not much more you can do. Still waiting for the journalist to get back with me. Hopefully he will call me this weekend sometime.

This natal chart shows me via the Tad Mann method of psychological timing in the charts

http://www.atmann.net/tma.h

That at age 14, Coral Pearl was due for her Vertex in the 6th house to be (as Mann would term it) “Registered”. What is the Vertex? Some believe it is a point that is indicative of a “fated” person or event to come into the life. Since this occurred in her 6th house, go back to my last reading and explanation of the 6th house (for her)...very maligned for danger.

Now, what is the meaning of the registration of a planet or a place in the natal chart?
A point of recognition? I just posted a link for you that explains what Registration means.

In this venacular, it means that at this particular age, just as all of us are due to be registering as we age the various planets and places we were born to by virtue of the synastry of our births with our own mother’s transits at the time of our conception,
That Coral’s disappearance happens to register exactly with age 14 a time she was “fated” to either meet a person or event that would change her and her life forever.
Unfortunatley for her, it came also when Saturn was transiting over her 12th house .

Look over her 12th house and you will see the figure (green symbol) of Saturn there.
When it’s colored green on this chart that means it’s a transit (red is a progression from age)
Now, the planet Saturn was literally and really in the sky at this time and it then happened to oppose Coral’s own Vertex (look in the 6th house)
You can see the 12th is opposite the 6th.
Now where you see it says (in the 6th house) 2Verte in the sign of Scorpio, then simply follow the imaginary line across to meet up with the transit of Saturn (over the 12th) and check out the exact degrees when you do this.

You will see that the Vertex (a fated person or a fated event) in Corals 6th house in Scorpio at the 2nd degree is exactly opposite Saturn “transiting” at 2 degrees and 28minutes over her 12th house.

What happens then when Saturn (a certain planet which rules timing and also karma) Opposes (by 180 degrees) another place where a signficant planet or point lies such as in this case with the Vertex?

Well, I say that it’s pointing thus far,to her demise.We still have other charts we can study however.
This natal chart shows me via the Tad Mann method of psychological timing in the charts

Saturn is a planet that often is in an important place when we die.


It also can be related to (more often related to) change in the life, and a popular known
Saturn transit is called a Saturn Return (when Saturn retrurns to your birth place where it was in your chart when you were born)
This happens (a Saturn Return) at approximatly age 29 or 30.,then a 2nd Saturn Return about age 58-60 (every 30 years…for it takes Saturn 28-30 years to complete it’s return to where it was when we were born)

In Coral’s case this was NOT a Saturn Return however, but it was equally important to her.
In her case it may have indeed signalled her death as she did not live to her 29 birthday to see one.
Not everyone does.

Now I cannot say for certain that she died at this point in time, (I haven’t looked at the other tools yet that I can and will employ), but I’m pretty certain that she was in great jeopardy of perishing then.
Not just because of Saturn and it’s opposing place to age 14…….and the Vertex, but
Because Pluto is inching up towards her 7th house cusp (of the others)
And opposes her Natal Chiron (Chiron is an asteroid often seen in death charts too) when in transit (such as it’s doing over her 6th house)

We look for at least 3 testimonies to make an observation in the natal charts one way or another, for pro or con.

As for “pro_death” I’d say that :
Testimony #1 is Saturn opposed to her Vertex at age 14.
Testimony #2 is Pluto transiting at 5 degrees Sag and opposed to her Ascendent and Hades near Hyades.
Testimony#3 might be in the Tertiary minor Progressions….(I’ll post the chart for others to see here)
In this chart we see the transit of Jupiter (I call it the guardian angel, because it’s often in an important place upon the crossing over in deaths) is being transited by the Vertex and by Neptune (rx) in exact orb to her natal Jupiter.
Now can this be a testimony of death? Or is it a testimony of “luck running out?”

Certainly it is showing us that something undermining happened to her as the Vertex remember is a person or event and Neptune usually undermines us.
The reason I think it’s her demise is because it falls over her 8th house of “Death”


What about the “Pro-life” indicators in her chart although with a definite element of subterfuge?

Testimony #1 would be imo, Tertiary Progressed POF conjunct natal VESTA (the virgin)
That is falling over her 4th house near her home life, and conjunct Tert.Prog.Mercury over natal Juno (exact orbs)
What could this mean pro-life?
Probably that she was taken by someone who meant to “use her sexually”….either in a subservient position (such as a pimp would do)…OR someone very jealous of her close to her home (L.J??) and was involved in some way selling her or using her this way or perhaps those men we talked about and she was trying to get away from?

I still do not have a handle on WHO this male b.f. was that was mentioned as possibly going to California to live with?

What do you know about him or that situation? Was it misreported?
As I said earlier, she had a VERY difficult chart and I would not be completely surprised to hear she lived out the past years in coerced type of subservience.

Another potential Testimony (2) for “Pro-life” might be Tertiary progressed Venus (exact orb) conjunction to natal Venus and Tert. Prog. “Persophone” (abduction) being conjunct the midpoint from Venus (sex) to Pluto (control of her)
I’ll be looking further and meanwhile encourage anyone who wishes to help to study these charts as well as others we can look to in the future.


2nd Chart for known tob - Coral Pearl using Tertiary minor Progressions to her Natal chart:

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7803/coralpearltertprog.gif

Leomoon80
11-21-2010, 12:24 PM
IF we are successful in finding out that last phone call she made time of day, we may see more, like the Ascendent degree. Other then this, it's hard to say anything more.

Coral's Arabic Lots (fate) calculated from her natal chart on my program gives the following:

Part of Fatality: 22Cancer conj. her natal Part of Fortune at 20.41Cancer
Part of (a Killing Planet) or Anareta: 5.58Cncer conj. "Persophone" 7.50
Part of Murder (2): 9Capricorn
Part of Danger & Violence: 6°Leo
Prt of Captivity & Murder (1): 0°Libra conjunct her SUN.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-21-2010, 12:52 PM
I am very anxious to get that time of Coral's last phone call. I don't want to bug the journalist but I just might call him again and see if I can get ahold of him.

Leomoon80
11-21-2010, 08:54 PM
Mars the Ruler of this chart is found at 0Leo appropriately a crisis degree and conjunct Atropos the death asteroid (within one minute) of orb.
The crisis would escalate quickly to their deaths, both mother and son.

The Moon possibly indicating Shatina, is found in the 4th house conjunct Chiron (pain)
And Neptune (the alcohol and probably inebriated from all I have read of the wine jug found, the video capture of buying it, and even the son telling the residents, “my mom fell and hurt her knee”) makes sense that Neptune is conj. chiron here (within 2 min.), and then to the Moon which conjuncts Jupiter (the kindly couple who tried to help her, gave her son a piece of pizza and gave her directions and use of their telephone)

The 5th house rules her child, Azriel, age 8 who soon will drown not far from this home down a deserted dead end road near the water’s edge that his mother took apparently not realizing what she was doing.

The 5th house Sun conjunct Uranus and Mercury either is Azriel himself, OR for those who must believe it was a murder and kidnapping, then we might assign the 5th to a love interest and I have considered this in my delineations as well….but let the logic overcome my initital belief it was an abduction and murder.
The ruler of the 5th is Neptune then Jupiter as co-ruler of the child.

The 8th house is the death, the Vertex here squares Jupiter the luck she may have had at the neighbor home turns into bad luck as she made that wrong turn to the water instead of to the freeway.

Part of Fortune in the 1st house of self determination, is misfortune for this young mother and son, as Lacheses abides here as well the POF squares both Neptune and Chiron.

A close 2nd would be murder of course, and kidnapping, but my logical mind just won’t go there however, I’m open to suggestions and other opinions as to how to read this chart as well as second opinions.
Saturn the planet of karma and woe, is horrendously afflicted in every manner in this chart from the oppositions to Venus, Mercury and the Sun with and opposition to Uranus and squares to Pluto, Ceres and sesquare to the BML.

Without any effort at all, actually relief on my part, I could easily turn this chart into a Murder and abduction event, but logically, my mind requires a motive for such a murder of the child and then of the mother, and I simply cannot find one.

(I say "relief on my part" because that is my 1st instinct that this was a murder case...yet logic as I said, does not allow me to go there)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3135/shantinalastseenchart.gif

Leomoon80
11-21-2010, 09:02 PM
The transits definitely show her as dead, but the real concern for me, is Leo North Node in the 25th degree which is a degree of murder and Alcoholism , when applicable.
(see Nancy Fenn’s critical degrees/fixed stars site on google search)

Natal chart reveals that her Mercury (mindset) was in trouble , the alcoholism, at 8Taurus for it’s a vibration that is connected to Hamal the fixed star causing issues and problems.
Her Mercury was trine to Mars and Jupiter however, the complications for her arise because of it’s connection to these planets that conjoin Regulus.
That is why she fell off the wagon (so to speak) and wasn’t able to keep on the straight and narrow….Regulus always causes a fall in life.
A rise then a fall and that’s what happened to her aided by Hamal (Mercury) square Moon.

The circumstances of her life probably aided and abetted this fall as well, as I read her own mother had committed suicide (Moon) 4 yrs. Ago, and for sure this must have weighed heavily on her.

It’s always bad enough fighting addictions, let alone having some truly traumatic thing like your own mother’s death by her own hand weighing down on you as it was for her.

I am very concerned seeing that she had the North Node 25 degrees Leo, and so I inserted the asteroid known for kidnappings., or Persophone.
We don’t have her time of birth to use the Arabic Lots, but if anyone does get her records (the birth certificate for instance from the State or the Death certificate) you may then give it here and we can revise the chart gaining the Arabic lots to work with and more clarity perhaps.

As of today, I’m leaning towards a terrible accident, or TR. Uranus conjunct “Scheat”
A drowning due to Alcohol in her system

North Node at 25Leo being transited by Vesta and square to the transiting BAM (gunshot)
Transiting Lacheses (cuts the life off) making a conjunction to natal Uranus (unexpected or perhaps in this case, an accident or kidnapping also possible ) of Shantina.

Asteroid Moira moving to conjunct to her natal Atropos in Cancer and Transiting Mars and tr. Atropos rx, moving over her natal Juno & Persophone…..
What could this be? :waitasec:


My very first inclination when seeing 25Leo was to say a murder and kidnapping,but after reading page and pages of WS background material, various reports on the internet today, I’m leaning towards a terribly sad accidental drowning and assigning the 25Leo not to murder (my 1st instinct ) but rather to Alcoholism and Uranus the accident (my 2nd instinct) based on logical facts as they have been presented on the various links I have read.

I don't think I'd be the first practioner of Astrology to simply say,"I'm torn" on this case.

Note: We do not have her exact place of birth nor time of birth, so the houses should be ignored:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8369/shantinasmileymissingmo.gif

Leomoon80
11-21-2010, 10:30 PM
Azriel had a Yod (Finger of God) formation of aspects which pointed to the Apex of Pluto (transformation through a massive change or undertaking) Pluto often associated with destruction then a rebirth of sorts –
Connected to his Moon (mother ) and to Jupiter (luck )

His luck (Jupiter) was harshly aspected (a quincunx of 150 degrees) to Pluto
As part of this Yod.
The Moon aptly shows his mother’s problems with alcohol by it’s square to both Uranus and Neptune and her death (quincunx to Pluto) . The semi-square to the North Node played out in his short life by the troubling parts he needed to endure (estrangement from his bio dad, and his mother’s problems) NN is also opposed to Chiron (the inner wound)

Note that asteroid Lacheses (for death) was transiting at 19Scorpio (the evil degree)
Over his natal and approaching a conjunction to Venus.
Venus itself, may be also a secondary indicator for his mother, which is in a very harsh degree, at 25Scorpio, another fixed sign like Leo and thought to also indicate alcoholism in some charts. In Forensic Astrology the 25th degree in event charts is very critical also for death and even murder.

We see the asteroid Melpomene (for tragedy in an event) transiting at 26 degrees Taurus which conjuncts fixed star “Algol” .

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9105/shantinasonazrielnataln.gif

FifthEssence
11-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Shantina and son Azriel were discussed and charted back in March of 2009, those charts initially posted around 3/17/09 in our CASE BRIEFINGS Thread # 1.

Remember, use the 'search option' at the top of CASE BRIEFINGS or the REQUESTS Thread to locate the charts and analysis for cases that don't have a dedicated thread in the Astro Forum.

Do have a look at the work that has already taken place on this sad case.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4939317&highlight=shantina+smiley#post4939317

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Leomoon80
11-21-2010, 11:10 PM
Justaparent, who asked for this case on Case Request thread said she could not find it with a Search option.
I tried myself, and found only one on the Forensics Forum a thread had been dedicated to her case, but not a chart thread, but perhaps I should have searched thru more threads then.

Now I see when I search again, with the name itself (not just looking for a thread) I found the following which has many cases:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3642424

I often think it's a good idea to have more then one weigh in on the various charts, dates and times, as it's still unsolved as long as her body is not recovered, so I am happy to see that someone else as well, felt the same as my reading delineates , that it was an Accident afterall.

That makes 2 of us weighing in, and makes me feel a lot better about my own reading although as I said, I could still make a case for murder but the "weight of the astrological evidence" seems to weigh more heavily with Arabic Lots in various Events charts with an unfortunate Accident , using only the natal and one event chart as I have used, that of the last seen visit.


I'm glad we resolved this case :) Although I'm still sorry that her body has not been recovered in 8 months. :(

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4939317&highlight=shantina+smiley#post4939317[/QUOTE]

OK, now I see this chart (we need to do a SEARCH above the Case REQUEST board itself) to find it.
BTW, it is really an excellent reading, but using a 10:10PM last seen chart instead of 10PM, but yields a good reading employing asteroid BACCHUS for drinking.
Wish I had seen this one originally, .......

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justaparent
11-22-2010, 12:58 PM
Thank you so much for the charts on Shantina and her son. I have wondered if somehow she wandered off after her son drowned, or if the entire episode was an abduction.

On search, I do not have a search option. I was told by admin that I would not have search capabilities until I had made "X" number of posts. I post rarely, so that won't happen for awhile. Allowing everyone to search would definitely be helpful.

Janet

Leomoon80
11-22-2010, 03:50 PM
I think we can safely rule out the "entire night episode" including her son was an abduction, however, her death truly does appear to be weighted heavily towards an unfortunate accident, due to issues with sobriety. (i.e. drinking that night)

Thanks for bringing up the case, it's good to hone our skills.

Leomoon80
11-22-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm not sure that the question should be answered because there is both family, friends and even other loved ones to consider and the autopsy has not been determined.

However, I will post the event chart that took his life.

We can see by the symbols in the event chart, that this was a particularly
crisis filled point in time when the event took place.

But until the autopsy comes in, (and if determined to be a murder case) I'm very reluctant to say in which way this dear soul departed. I feel that it might be improper for me to do so, and would simply be a "test" of one's skills without purpose.

But the natal chart itself, is also a spiritual one of a soul departing this life,
and the Crisis points certainly stands out so may be good for learning to read those.

If anyone else wants to read this chart, I can understand for each of us feels our own specific way about such events and tragedies.

I did glance at the natal (no time of birth ) however, and will say only that
this person is one who kept his feelings to himself, didn't share them easily or even willingly....and people will never know now, the hurt he felt within himself.
That much I feel I can say ethically, however without a Link with a public recognition, I don't think that Fifth Essence would want us to post his natal chart for nothing much more then a "test" of astrology purposes. The autopsy itself will determine the cause when they are ready to release the data.

The natal chart itself, is a spiritual imprint chart, and when the soul departs the body, the spiritual symbols can easily be seen. (i.e. Jupiter, Saturn, chiron, Atropos, Lacheses and Moira (either / or )

Sorry, if I sound either preachy or non-committal. It's not either, it's just my own take and ethical stance. Hope you all understand as I've never been afraid right or wrong to put my signature on a chart with my interpretations.

As I said on the Case Request Thread however, I thought it can be a learning tool to see this Crisis in black & white such as charts depict with the symbols of a known crisis:

(IF the Moderator feels it is unethical to post it , she will delete it with my total understanding of why she decided to )

In some ways, it is considered peering into another person's private life when we study a natal chart and then to see their selves exposed, and none of us wish this for our own selves without sufficient merit to do so.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8405/classicchartofsuicideal.gif

The 29th Degree called the "Anaretic degree" (last degree) of any sign, as it's ready to change signs is considered "A Crisis degree"and we see this on all the important Angles.
We can also easily see the 3rd house of mind and communications, in a desperate situation, with the life force keeping the ego in place, taking flight now......(Mercury conj. Lacheses)....and the 3rd house tells the tale here, imo.
The 8th augments the 3rd.
That's all I can give you on this event chart . Sorry if it sounds cryptic, but to learn astrology, you need at least to recognize crisis points yourselves too., so I've pointed them out best I could.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-23-2010, 03:05 PM
Coral Pearl Hall

Still nothing from the journalist, I sent him an email today. I hope he calls me soon. And does anyone (besides Loemoon) posting on here have anything to say/add about Coral's chart? I want as much feed back as I can get. I am desperate for anwsers. She was my best friend for many years.

Cazzie
11-23-2010, 04:44 PM
Melissa,

I am intrigued by astrology, but am just a complete beginner. I'm so sorry for the loss of your best friend, and wish I could offer more than empathy and hugs.

Leomoon and the other astrologers here are topnotch...I've been able to tell that from the accuracy of their charting and interpretation when compared to case facts (LE and witness/family feedback).

She may visit you in your dreams and thoughts...even little so-called coincidences in your day-to-day life. You can talk/think to her as if she can hear you...her spirit lives in your heart forever.

Prayers for your understanding and healing.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-23-2010, 07:46 PM
Thank you Cazzie, what you said means a lot to me. I think about her at least ten times a day. She will always be in my heart. I hope we can find out what happened to her someday. And I agree Leomoon is awsome at what she does and I am so greatful that she helping me.

Melissa,coralsmyBFF
11-27-2010, 01:58 PM
Tuba, what do you think about my friend Coral's case? Leomoon said it would help if we had more input on her chart and it seems that you are good with the charts as well. Please look at her chart and give us your opinion.

FifthEssence
11-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Nov 29, 2010 7:25am

(NECN) - A body found floating in Boston Harbor earlier this month has now been confirmed as a Lawrence man, who disappeared back in February. The Lawrence Eagle Tribune is reporting that Eugene Losik's father confirmed the identity.

The body was floating in the water at Rowes Wharf November, 8. Losik was last seen February, 20 when a security camera at the Marriott Long Wharf captured him leaving the hotel's back entrance around 2:30 am.

Losik would have turned 26 last Wednesday.

http://www.necn.com/11/29/10/Body-fo...17&feedID=4206
__________________________________________________ __________


PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY as a new chapter begins and GENE is respectfully laid to rest. We are truly sorry for your loss.

__________________________________________________ __________
SOULSCAPE had worked on this case and posted her analysis back on 3/7/10, post #324 in Case Briefings.
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Last seen: Saturday, Feb 20th at 2:24am in the lobby near back door (Long Wharf Marriott Hotel in Boston), after partying at Sissy K’s in Faneuil Hall Friday night.


The Last Seen gives a most unfortunate chart:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/EugeneLosicLastSeen.jpg





ASCENDANT 18 Sagittarius is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), indicating catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality.

Event SUN 01 Pisces, co-ruler of the 8th House of Death, is partile conjunct the Arabic Part of DEATH and focal point of YOD involving MARS Lord 4 End of the Matter and SATURN Lord 2 the Near Future. SUN applies conjunction JUPITER 07 Pisces, significator of Gene, showing what is 'just around the corner' or coming up soon (2nd House Near Future).

MOON Lord 8 of Death 10 Taurus is partile inconjunct the MIDHEAVEN (a death aspect) and besieged (trapped) betwen URANUS and MARS, strongly indicative of accidental death. Notice also JUPITER 07 Pisces symbolizing Gene is applying inconjunct the MIDHEAVEN, again showing what is soon to come.

Of all the Fixed Stars, VINDEMIATRIX, a.k.a. the Widowmaker, is one of the most malefic. When prominent, as it is here partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN, it indicates death.

Part of DEATH2 04 Libra is close conjunct SATURN Lord 2 The Near Future and partile square PLUTO of complications, rising in House 1. Notice PLUTO co-rules both House 11 (Circumstances Beyond One's Control) and House 12 which often symbolizes acting against one's own best interests. The MARS/URANUS midpoint (accidents) at 28 Taurus is close opposed the 12th House cusp, again pointing to accidental death.



http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/Tri-WheelEugeneLosicNatal-Secondary.gif



Last Seen SUN 01 Pisces is close square Gene's natal SUN 02 Sagittarius. At the time of the Last Seen, Gene's natal and Secondary Progressed URANUS at 13 and 14 degrees Sagittarius respectively, are hovering above the Last Seen ASCENDANT.

Gene's Secondary Progressed MARS 25 Aquarius is close conjunct Last Seen NEPTUNE 26 Aquarius and semi-sextile Last Seen URANUS at 25 Pisces, all suggesting accidental (URANUS, Aquarius) drowning (Pisces, Neptune).

I am terribly sorry to report this, astrological indicators clearly affirm that Gene is most assuredly no longer with us. The indications of death by drowning are precise and numerous. The body is in water (JUPITER in Pisces), likely caught up in something because in the Noticed Missing Chart (not shown), Gene's significator is intercepted --- which is likely why search teams have not yet found him. The body is NORTHEAST of the Last Seen, probably more EAST than they are currently looking.

With Gene's significator in a cadent house in the Last Seen and intercepted in the 1st House in the Noticed Missing chart, he will be hard to find.

BTW, I do not suspect foul play, but rather, an unfortunate and untimely accident, possibly partially attributable to impaired judgment due to high blood alcohol level. My heartfelt sympathies and prayers to family and friends.

Blessings,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
12-07-2010, 04:20 PM
I hope LE deals with a heavy hand regarding these charges as 'cause of death' was NOT determined because of the condition Little SYLAR's body was in when he was finally located.


Sheriff: Sylar Newton's Custodial Mother Arrested

http://www.kpho.com/arizona/26040063/detail.html
POSTED: 4:45 pm MST December 6, 2010
UPDATED: 5:00 pm MST December 6, 2010

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. -- The custodial mother of an Arizona toddler whose body was found in a wash has been arrested on suspicion of child abuse.
Yavapai County sheriff's officials arrested Christina Priem, 36, in Flagstaff on Monday on felony counts of involving a minor in a drug offense.
Sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn couldn't say which child or children the three counts refer to or when and where the alleged offenses occurred.

The arrest stems from an investigation into the disappearance and death of 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

(brief on SYLAR going missing and being located included in link)



Reference is made to some of the posts previously listed in the CASE BRIEFINGS #1. The problem with this case was the timeline provided by the custodial 'stepmother'. Info as to the time the campground mgr contacted police was somewhat helpful.



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Melissa,coralsmyBFF
12-10-2010, 07:05 PM
I finally have the time that Coral called Melissa the night she went missing. It was 10:00 p.m. Sept. 22, 1998. If anyone could please do another event chart using this info I would really appreciate it. Tuba, Hopefully you could find some time. Thank You!

Leomoon80
12-11-2010, 12:06 AM
I finally have the time that Coral called Melissa the night she went missing. It was 10:00 p.m. Sept. 22, 1998. If anyone could please do another event chart using this info I would really appreciate it. Tuba, Hopefully you could find some time. Thank You!

Melissa: I did a little work on this case for you tonight, but you must also realize we cannot name names, nor speak of the relative you may suspect in this case.
The Police have not named anyone as a POI in this now older case from 1998:

From earlier post 34:
(matching up in red, with this Event Chart of Last Phone Call made to a friend for help)


Coral's Arabic Lots (fate) calculated from her natal chart on my program gives the following:

Part of Fatality: 22Cancer conj. her natal Part of Fortune at 20.41Cancer
Part of (a Killing Planet) or Anareta: 5.58Cancer conj. "Persophone" 7.50 (Quincunx Pluto in the “Last Phone Call chart”

Part of Murder (2): 9Capricorn (Squares in Libra, the midpoint of Event Last Phone Call Apollon (signfies a multiplier and Zeus i.e. overtook her) I’d say more then one person did this to her because of the appearance of Apollon.

Part of Danger & Violence: 6°Leo (Conjuncts the IC the “End of the matter” and Atropos at the I/C” ) meaning, she’s dead.

Part of Captivity & Murder (1): 0°Libra conjunct her SUN. (Quincunx to Saturn in the Last Phone Call chart)

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Last Phone Call for help Event Chart:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3179/coralpearlhalllastphone.gif


We see Coral Pearl (29Virgo her actual Sun sign and degree found in this chart and ) in the 5th house of the child that she was, between Lachesis and Zeus. Between “death and force” and Death meaning, someone choosing the time of her death, to cut her life off….and the telephone call begging for help the 3rd house Vulcanus 20Cancer…opposed to Neptune in the 29th critical degree 9th house in Capricorn.

If we notice Pluto in the 7th of the potential attack/attacker, that may have taken place, the opposition to the Weeping Sisters, i.e. 0 Gemini Ascendent, suggests that she may have actually died that night.

Saturn, the planet of restrictions placed in the 12th of restrictions and containment ….it appears with the Quincunx to the Sun (Coral Pearl),
That she may no longer be alive, especially with Lachesis (deciding the length of the life) conjunct so closely to that Sun and secondarily, the MC is exactly conjunct Moira (another death asteroid)

Asteroid BAM, placed in the 6th of Decision making – conj. to Chiron but in a critical degree of Scorpio. BAM squares Mars in this chart….and Mars is quincunx (negative for health) to Pallas and Jupiter , so it’s possible here that whoever is represented by Pallas felt quite threatened by her telephone call.

Pallas in Pisces opposed to Venus, and Venus in the 5th of the child. Coral was the child making the plea for help.

Please don’t ask me who Pallas is, because as indicated awhile back, I do not know who did this young woman harm and would not want to point fingers indiscriminately.
However the caretaker of this young woman, those closest to her, show a natal chart that is consistent with being seriously involved with restraining her in a violent way.,imo.
If not personally, then involved in another way. This is how it appears to me.
The problem is, the LE have not honed in on any suspect and there is no way they would be interested in an Astrological rendering. They want proof.

So, it may just be more then likely, we have to put this case to rest and realize that Coral Pearl is in a much better place then what she once had here.

With this, I’m sure you’d agree.


I pray you will find the peace you need within yourself, to live with the knowledge that this young girl is more then likely no longer on this earth and whoever did this may never be punished in this lifetime for the crime.

If I helped in any way, I'm grateful and hopefully, you can get a second opinion, if you feel the need for it.

Leomoon80
12-11-2010, 12:20 AM
What a horrendous case. I surely hope someone will be brought to justice for the sake of this woman's 3 youngsters. Twins (both girls) and a son.
Not to mention too, that the killer still roams on the streets, free from being restrained to strike out in the future again, if not arrested and put away forever.

Background:
(see Case Request thread for some links)

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...rss_news_82111
A woman found dead in her home along with her three young children had been in court four days earlier seeking child support from her slain 6-year-old twins' father, who has a lengthy criminal record, court records show.

http://conversations.blackvoices.com/welcome-forum/450a25f7fbcc46f78b3459f6f6a8438a/fla-mom-found-slain%20.../db773ab0b87d415f8581b9f86d7da877?sn=0

Here is her Mug Shot from over a year ago:

http://www.leoncountyso.com/jailinfo/inmate_detail.asp?spn=146113
(2/14/83 dob)

Found 4 dead bodies: 10:30AM 11/20/10 in Tallahassee Fla.

Brandi played one card too many when she decided to sue these two men for back child support. Telling the father of her older son, that he was “stupid” for signing a paper when he was not even the real father…….and then, suing the other man for the same (thousands) back support for her twins.
Now all 4 are dead.

Still no word on who is going to be held accountable for this atrocity against those children and their mother. :(

Brandi did have an inclination to play games of power orcontrol seen by her Pluto square to Mercury. Pluto in her chart was also at the critical Anaretic degree of 29Libra, the last degree of the sign and quincunx to the Transiting Uranus as this planet was going over her natal Vesta (legal papers)….

She was murdered 4 days after winning in court a judgement against the 2nd father or the twins father for $20,000. or more and over $350 per month in child support. The other dad, had a similar outcome, but was suppose to pay her $750.00 per month in child support.

Perhaps he had a job and the other one did not?…..The father of the twins was the jailbird
(in and out of prison), and the other one, was the one she left a Voice Mail for him, laughing about his stupidity signing a paper.

Either one I’m sure would be looked at by the LE carefully,but they also need to prove it.

As for Brandi herself, she was also in prison for battery and other charges, (see the link above )
But skirting the boundaries in life would have been easy for her, even as a mother herself with this late degree Aquarius Sun, Pices signature and especially, her Mercury conjunct “Altair- the Eagle" very ambitious and even ruthless if deemed necessary to be, it is said about this star’s impact.

Brandi had her planets Jupiter and Uranus closely aligned at her birth and connected to Fixed star “Antares” that violent star that always promises more often then not, one will either be involved in violence, or find violence coming to them and in her case, it was both.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7386/brandidequitapeterssunr.gif

Leomoon80
12-11-2010, 12:31 AM
My oh my – this chart really is a violent one. Capricorn Rises at the very critical place near 13 degrees (a Cardinal sign) critical then in a short amount of time.
It’s Ruler is Saturn found in the 13th degree of another Cardinal sign, Libra also very critical here connected to ZEUS. The Final authority.
The Stellium aligned in the 9th house is formidable for what did occur as we now know, with a lineup of planets and asteroids from Saturn to Zeus (TNP) Moira (death asteroid)
Venus (the ruler of the 5th house of the children) and Apollon (multiplies) with Atropos (death)

3 little children and their mother….all gone in one foul morning.

They say we should look to Juno for Revenge in relationships, and surely Juno here in the 8th house of death is between Hopi (asteroid for ambushings) and BAM (gunshots)

The Vertex at 21Leo in the 8th, opposes the 25th degree Neptune in Aquarius in the 2nd house conjunct Chiron which happens to also be the same placement as Brandi’s own Sun.

Looking to the unfortunates, the children and to the cusp of the 5th we see Algol representing them, and the 26 degree of Taurus which opposes the 11th house Sun at 28Scorpio. Note that next to this Sun is Vesta ruling the legal papers that were involved just 4 days before., and a few months before that for the other father.

This 11th House traditionally thought to represent our fondest hopes dreams and wishes, is in Forensic Astrology, represent “Opportunity”….and so we can see the truly cruel nature of this assassin, by examining this house more closely to see that this huge stellium to be read together, reads as follows:

Scorpio Sun (25th degree, a degree of murder) connected to legalities, (courts or findings)
Because it’s Vesta who ruled such things in the ancient world of Rome and now an archetype of same in these modern days.

Then, followed by Mercury (the mind) in “over the top” Sagittarius, followed by a very cold array of 17 degrees planets and asteroids…..ALL – 17 degrees and in the Mutable signs is considered also very critical! Mars 17SAG, Lachesis 17SAG (decides the length of life) Pallas Athena 17SAG and last but not least, CUPIDO (a love interest ) 17SAG

Finishing up this sad, sad saga is the 12th house of captivity, with Toro (violence, brutality and rage) just entered into 01Capricorn (another critical degree) highlighting the ferocity of Toro – with the North Node of Fate conjunct Pluto (destruction of all)

The Part of Fortune 29 degrees Gemini in the 6th house of Decisions, and moving to
The TNP (Hades in critical Cardinal Cancer), tells us that this is truly bad, evil and signs off as such celestially.

POF is quincunx the SUN and Trines Atropos (death) and the public MC angle, (the discovery by the LE of all 4 bodies)…works in harmony with the discovery itself.

Now, will there be an arrest forthcoming?

I hope so, but I’ve not followed this case until now.


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Leomoon80
12-14-2010, 02:45 PM
A strange case (see background on the Case Requests)
of a husband and wife, leaving a party driving home, hit a utility pole in the ice and snow, causing the immediate death of the husband.
Wife wanders off in a probable disoriented mental state as the car was wrecked.
They found her one slipper, and she had only a ball gown on, and a wrap.
The footprints lead to the road.

Never seen again or reported as seen.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/12/08/dozens_look_for_ill_mom_missing_since_fatal_crash/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+Boston+Globe+--+National+News

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7835009
Scroll down for new Photos of Tanya Shannon:

http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10442.0


EVENT CHART:



The Accident may be seen in the 1st house POF conjunct Saturn which happens also to be exalted in Libra the Ascendent. The Ruler of Libra is Venus also found appropriately in the 1st house.

Part of Fortune is conjunct within minutes to Saturn (the death) and tragedy for this couple. Moira is a signature of the death.

But is it two deaths? Venus also conjoins Atropos the 2nd indicator of death.

The car accident itself is seen by the 3rd house of short term travel coming home from a party that night they attended with relatives and friends.

The icy roads and snow is shown by both Saturn and Neptune two planets that may symbolize the snow.

We know already that the tragic accident can be seen in the 1st house, and Saturn is here,
(crashed in the ice) but Neptune is in the 5th house conjunct Chiron . Perhaps this is the choice made when the wife left the automobile, searching for help, in a dazed and confused manner heading toward the main road?

I think the wife, Mrs. Shannon is buried in a snow drift.
Pluto conjuncts the 4th house cusp, of the Final End with
Juno in the 12th house conj. Melpomene (a tragedy)


9Libra Rising is exactly conjunct “Vindiamiatrix” or death of a spouse….in this case perhaps both.
The moment of the accident, the “spouse” was indeed immediately killed. Leaving the widow to wander in the snow.

'The Widow Maker'. It frequently marks the death of one's partner. It figures strongly and regularly in deaths which are in some way dramatic, newsworthy or are resented in much more than the usual degree by those left behind (assassinations, common criminal murders, executions, airline disasters etc.). Dr.Eric Morse from “The Living Stars”


Both the Sun & the Moon are “below the horizon”….thus, I believe both dead however, I’m certainly opened as usual to other’s ideas and astrological renderings and perhaps may change my mind when entertaining them. But for now, the Astrology that I can muse over, points to both being gone.

It would however, be most helpful to have Mrs. Shannon's date of birth to look further.

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justaparent
12-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Thank you for working on her chart. I tried to find the divorce papers earlier today but couldn't get to the right place for LaSalle county in Illinois (their place of residence, but maybe not where papers were filed). Am not as accustomed to searching for that type of info so I am probably not looking in the right place.

Will continue to look.

Leomoon80
12-17-2010, 12:23 AM
Sad case, just before Christmas. It appears to me that this case may involve a drunk driver or even someone on drugs. I inserted the asteroid, "Bacchus" into the chart because of Venus falling at the 8th degree of Scorpio, conjunct

Nusakan 8Scorpio found in the Garland of:

(Constellation of Words Anne Wright's site suggests :

Legend: Corona Borealis represents the garland given by Venus to Ariadne on the occasion of her marriage to Bacchus after she had been forsaken by Theseus. [Robson*, p.40.]
Influences: According to Ptolemy it is like Venus and Mercury. It is said to give artistic ability, love of flowers, lassitude and disillusionment, but to bring its natives to a position of command. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Daleth and the 4th Tarot Trump, "The Emperor". [Robson*, p.40.]
When in mutatine subsolar aspect the native will be fond of pleasure. When in matutine culmination, however, the native may prefer pleasure to the honors of life. If matutine setting, the constellation presages a propensity for pleasure that may even bring about disease, dishonor and imprisonment. [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.10.]

So, IF indeed Venus is the driver and it's a woman (House 3) it appears she may have been drinking and driving.

3rd house of Automobiles and short trips......conjunct
ATROPOS (death) asteroid.

We see Bacchus at 4Capricorn, conjunct the crisis 29th degree at the I/C or 4th house cusp.
Where this accident took place, (4th house), and conjunct the Sun (the event itself)
Bacchus is the asteroid for drinking and partying…carousing, etc.
Lachesis conjunct the Sun (Lachesis picks the time of death ) symbolically.
One of the Morea , the Fates.


It does appear the gentleman dies quickly for if Mercury is a timer as I read here on the forum,’then Mercury’s appearance conj. the Node in the 4th conj. Pluto – and Mars in the 5th suggests this will be so. Death comes soon.

But as to who did this?

My first guess is a woman who was drinking, but also we have other testimony as to who may be involved.
The D/C cusp, the “perpetrator” seems to be seen by the Ruler which is Pisces, it's Ruler known for Neptune’s often serious issues with drinking…..found in the 6th house of Decision Making, conj. Chiron (the wounding), and both in Aquarius….another errant sign.

I almost missed seeing fixed star “Fomalhaut” for the location of this cusp is 4Pisces and 49 minutes, and I believe Fomalhaut is 3Pisces52minutes, hence within perfect orb to apply.
The meaning of Fomalhaut of course, is “an Immortal Name” and often is seen when someone’s name is in the newspaper, someone’s murder, death or otherwise, sad ending.
I recall the little boys lost in Arizona’s ditches and washes this past summer within one week of each other, both had Fomalhaut in those Event charts.

Moving to the 8th house of Death, we see that the Moon is in grave danger in every way possible for the final outcome of this event.
Many squares, oppositions and an inconjunct to Venus and semi-square to Neptune, all point to drinking and driving.

I wonder if anyone else on the forum has anything to add as to who may have caused the horrible outcome of this case? And will that person be brought to justice eventually.

I hope so, but meanwhile, I wish the family well...and hope they eventually can come to terms with the loss that is monumental to them in their lives, realizing that others wish to alleviate their pain too. :(

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9670/hitandrunaccidentkillsa.gif

nervous_nellie
12-17-2010, 07:27 AM
Missing People Pictures, Missing People Photos, Missing People ...
Tanya Shannon: Slipper Found In Missing Woman Case. 08 December 2010 | 7:39 am EST .... DOB: 11/1/1969 41 Yrs old. SEX: Female RACE: White ...
www.oliverwillis.com/livenews/topic/missing-people/ - Cached

when i open this link i cant find this exact info... but i think this is her dob, i will keep looking...

nervous_nellie
12-17-2010, 10:56 AM
7-23-70

its to late for me to edit my first post - mods please delet...

Tanya's fb account is showing July 23, 1970 for DOB.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...1075707&v=info

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Leomoon80
12-17-2010, 07:02 PM
7-23-70

its to late for me to edit my first post - mods please delet...

Tanya's fb account is showing July 23, 1970 for DOB.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...1075707&v=info

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - IL IL - Tanya Shannon, 40, missing after fatal car accident in Seneca, 5 Dec 2010 - #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5910801&postcount=204)

With her North Node at 3Pisces, the Fateful node is conjunct “Fomalhaut” the fixed star which brings about a news worthy event, and in this case certainly did, “An Immortal Name”.
Usually and unfortunately, Immortal for the mortals means death. When we look about the transits that occurred that evening, we see more such as Transiting Atropos over her natal Atropos, Transiting Moira over her natal Jupiter , Transiting Saturn over natal Moira.Then there was transiting Juno and Melpomene (a tragedy) over her natal Pluto. These are many and varied triggers that indicate an end to Mrs. Shannon.

These all seem to be indicators of not having made it to the road and being swept away in some confusion to a new life with amnesia or otherwise.

Her natal chart gives a Kite formation that is eerily close to augering this event in that the Sun is at 0Leo, connected to the Moon and Chiron, connected to Neptune and finishing with the Apex at Pluto while the trigger for the death seems to also include Melpomene as evidence thereof.

I only hope and pray that they resolve this case soon, so the 4 children they left behind can put this to rest finally, and know their parents are together again.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6459/tanyashannonnotobsnowac.gif

SagMoonRising
12-17-2010, 07:43 PM
Sad case, just before Christmas. It appears to me that this case may involve a drunk driver or even someone on drugs. I inserted the asteroid, "Bacchus" into the chart because of Venus falling at the 8th degree of Scorpio, conjunct

Nusakan 8Scorpio found in the Garland of:

(Constellation of Words Anne Wright's site suggests :

Legend: Corona Borealis represents the garland given by Venus to Ariadne on the occasion of her marriage to Bacchus after she had been forsaken by Theseus. [Robson*, p.40.]
Influences: According to Ptolemy it is like Venus and Mercury. It is said to give artistic ability, love of flowers, lassitude and disillusionment, but to bring its natives to a position of command. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Daleth and the 4th Tarot Trump, "The Emperor". [Robson*, p.40.]
When in mutatine subsolar aspect the native will be fond of pleasure. When in matutine culmination, however, the native may prefer pleasure to the honors of life. If matutine setting, the constellation presages a propensity for pleasure that may even bring about disease, dishonor and imprisonment. [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.10.]

So, IF indeed Venus is the driver and it's a woman (House 3) it appears she may have been drinking and driving.

3rd house of Automobiles and short trips......conjunct
ATROPOS (death) asteroid.

We see Bacchus at 4Capricorn, conjunct the crisis 29th degree at the I/C or 4th house cusp.
Where this accident took place, (4th house), and conjunct the Sun (the event itself)
Bacchus is the asteroid for drinking and partying…carousing, etc.
Lachesis conjunct the Sun (Lachesis picks the time of death ) symbolically.
One of the Morea , the Fates.


It does appear the gentleman dies quickly for if Mercury is a timer as I read here on the forum,’then Mercury’s appearance conj. the Node in the 4th conj. Pluto – and Mars in the 5th suggests this will be so. Death comes soon.

But as to who did this?

My first guess is a woman who was drinking, but also we have other testimony as to who may be involved.
The D/C cusp, the “perpetrator” seems to be seen by the Ruler which is Pisces, it's Ruler known for Neptune’s often serious issues with drinking…..found in the 6th house of Decision Making, conj. Chiron (the wounding), and both in Aquarius….another errant sign.

I almost missed seeing fixed star “Fomalhaut” for the location of this cusp is 4Pisces and 49 minutes, and I believe Fomalhaut is 3Pisces52minutes, hence within perfect orb to apply.
The meaning of Fomalhaut of course, is “an Immortal Name” and often is seen when someone’s name is in the newspaper, someone’s murder, death or otherwise, sad ending.
I recall the little boys lost in Arizona’s ditches and washes this past summer within one week of each other, both had Fomalhaut in those Event charts.

Moving to the 8th house of Death, we see that the Moon is in grave danger in every way possible for the final outcome of this event.
Many squares, oppositions and an inconjunct to Venus and semi-square to Neptune, all point to drinking and driving.

I wonder if anyone else on the forum has anything to add as to who may have caused the horrible outcome of this case? And will that person be brought to justice eventually.

I hope so, but meanwhile, I wish the family well...and hope they eventually can come to terms with the loss that is monumental to them in their lives, realizing that others wish to alleviate their pain too. :(

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9670/hitandrunaccidentkillsa.gif


Leomoon-

Is there anyway we can tell what age range the perpetrator could be? Is this a young person - teenager into 20's, middle age 30-50's etc?

This is absolutely shocking. I think most, as well as I would tend to think a male would be more likely to drive away than a female? I also wonder if this person was able to comprehend they actually ran somebody over, or if they were too intoxicated to know.

If anyone else( ie Tuba, Soulscape, others welcome to!) is able to gather more details about this accident, please share!

Also, Leomoon- does law enforcement take this kind of information as tips? Are there specific guidelines that need to be followed to call something like this in, or do they not accept astrological information? I'm just curious. :waitasec:

thank-you so much for your analysis and time! xoxo
sagmoonrising

Leomoon80
12-17-2010, 08:58 PM
SagMoonRising:

I would say that No, they'd not be interested putting it into the realm of psychics and tarot card readers. I think that most want cold hard evidentiary (DNA samples, for instance, is good science, whereas Astrology, is an Art based on some scientific principles) and much subjective rendering and the Astrologer as to how good he or she is in putting together the symbols of astrology. Edgar Cayce once said that Astrology is
75% intuition and 25% mathematics (don't quote me, but that's the gist of what he said, I'd need to find the reading again for exact quote and percentages) : ) But he did say this, I just need to find that reading and the percentages for accuracy sake.

To tell the truth, I'm rather new as goes Forensic Astrology and it's symbols which seem to apply, therefore, I always encourage in my readings that others give their own as well.
I can understand when people might be hesitant to do so, IF the chart reader's rendering is one that pretty much jives with their own., but this is not always the case of course.

Therefore, I'd say, No - LE would not be interested and look at you as though you had 2 heads if you say, "have you considered a woman who was drinking and driving? After all Venus is in the 3rd house" and Pisces on the cusp of the 7th! I'd never chance this, although I'm sure that there are also open minded
detectives as well who work all the cases.
The minority I'm sure.


I'd say rather that it's quite likely I am perhaps no better then 50-50 chance of Venus in this chart indicating the sex of the perpretator who drove the getaway car.

I'm not at all satisfied with this to say to you "Take it to the bank"......as I might be with some of my other readings. I'm not all that confident in that regard. Traditionally, we might all recognize Mercury as either a timer in a mundane event chart, or a younger man in a natal chart, (brother, sibling usually younger)
we may suggest that Saturn is an older, more authoritative male, Jupiter a male (Robert Hand suggests both Saturn and Jupiter for father) some say uncle for Jupiter.
Then, Venus may be a woman for sure, but in this case we see Mercury in the 4th (the place of the accident)
and we see Venus in the 3rd the house that rules the automobile.

It's a toss up isn't it?:waitasec:

This one would require more work by others and their input.,imo.

FifthEssence
12-17-2010, 10:06 PM
I hope LE deals with a heavy hand regarding these charges as 'cause of death' was NOT determined because of the condition Little SYLAR's body was in when he was finally located.


Sheriff: Sylar Newton's Custodial Mother Arrested

http://www.kpho.com/arizona/26040063/detail.html
POSTED: 4:45 pm MST December 6, 2010
UPDATED: 5:00 pm MST December 6, 2010

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. -- The custodial mother of an Arizona toddler whose body was found in a wash has been arrested on suspicion of child abuse.
Yavapai County sheriff's officials arrested Christina Priem, 36, in Flagstaff on Monday on felony counts of involving a minor in a drug offense.
Sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn couldn't say which child or children the three counts refer to or when and where the alleged offenses occurred.

The arrest stems from an investigation into the disappearance and death of 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

(brief on SYLAR going missing and being located included in link)



Reference is made to some of the posts previously listed in the CASE BRIEFINGS #1. The problem with this case was the timeline provided by the custodial 'stepmother'. Info as to the time the campground mgr contacted police was somewhat helpful.



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update: explanation of arrest and $250,000 bond
http://www.kvoa.com/news/flagstaff-woman-accused-of-giving-children-drugs/
A Flagstaff woman is accused of giving her children and one of their friends drugs during a camping trip in which a toddler under her care disappeared and later was found dead.

Christina Priem faces three felony counts of involving a minor in a drug offense.

Yavapai County sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn says none of the charges involve the 2-year-old toddler, Sylar Newton. He wouldn't say what drugs Priem is accused of giving the other children.



http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/20/20100820sylar-newton-search-warrant-abrk.html#ixzz18MCeo4JW
Priem's daughter, 11, told detectives that earlier in the afternoon, she saw Sylar staggering and then could not wake him, the warrant said.


http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/08/20/20100820sylarcourtrecords.html#ixzz18MCSoQu1
Documents show Collins admitted to smoking marijuana on July 24, the day Sylar was last seen alive. Collins also told deputies Sylar got into her purse and swallowed a prescription muscle relaxant.

Leomoon80
12-17-2010, 10:57 PM
http://fwix.com/charlotte/share/c26d1363d6/foreclosures_a_factor_in_case_of_missing_charlotte _woman

*Mrs. Simpson was last seen leaving the Liberty East restaurant on East Independence Blvd on Sunday, December 5, 2010 at 1030a.m.* Mrs. Simpson was last seen driving a gold colored 2004, GMCEnvoy displaying N.C. Tag # SXM-1510.
Investigators have been baffled since Simpson didn't have an apparent connection to Belmont or someone who might know the remote area where the vehicle was found.
Now, NewsChannel 36 has learned that police are looking at some foreclosures Simpson was working on as a mortgage broker for Bank of Granite. Some of those foreclosures were contentious and one of those was in Belmont.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/26087578/detail.html

A WITNESS (ASTRAE)

Doris Teague, who lives in the area where the SUV was found, said she saw a man driving the SUV on Monday, but had no idea the vehicle belonged to a missing woman.
"I thought it was somebody helping to tear the mill down," Teague said.
She added: "He came back Tuesday, went down on the (railroad) tracks and I've never seen him since."

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LAST SEEN CHART:

Capricorn Rising means Saturn ruler of this chart found in the 8th house of death and other’s assets conjunct tightly to ZEUS (the enforcer) within one hour conjunction exact.

Saturn is looking for it’s due with the square to both the Sun (the event itself) and the Moon co-ruler of the end of the matter found in a large stellium in the 11th house of opportunity and stranger danger.
The 11th also rules the masses, so is this in connection with her work as some have wondered aloud?

The Stellium here, also contains Mars which is 28Sag, located conjunct to Pallas (premeditation and a planned strategy) at 23 SAG.
Both oppose 5th house HADES (unpleasantness, and useless) at the crisis degree or 29deg.Gemini 57rx.

Hades also conjuncts the 6th house Kronos, (modern warfare, the ultimate in authority)
In the 6th house of decision making and in Cancer, ruler of which is the Moon in the 11th.
So, the Moon here is the one making the decision found in the 11th to ambush this woman, kidnap and kill her.
This though or well laid plan is seen by Admetoes (long standing issues) in the 4th house and conjunct to Algol.
Mercury in the 12th (the timer of this chart) is closely conjunct to Pluto (the destruction of the woman, Janet Simpson) in the 12th or hidden house of confinement, and it appears then, this was done shortly thereafter when last seen.

Toro at 12Capricorn square to Saturn suggests that this was a swift decision, firmly made and not easily undone, an act of “Brutality, rage and violence, “ perpetrated upon M’s Simpson.

Part of Misfortune (because it’s in the 12th), is also showing us by it’s proximity to the ASC. that this was so, and it’s opposition to Vulcanus, shows the intensity, and “mighty force” exerted to do her in. “Compulsive in it’s actions” is another keyword term for Vulcanus.
Being found in Cancer, the Moon rules, and again another testimony that this was a planned and enraged act FUELED by emotions, to kidnap or use force to kill his victim swiftly completely over which he seems not to have been willing to control.

Neptune in the 1st Quintile to the Sun and the Moon, appears to be saying that he used persuasive talk to entice her into feeling sorry for him and perhaps even agreed to meet up with him to talk with him about the pain (Chiron) he was feeling (Neptune is within a few minutes of Chiron)
The Quintiles are usually creative aspects seen as energy used creatively.

The 2nd house lord is Pisces, so the connection made to Neptune it’s Ruler, and here
In the 2nd the Black Moon Lilith, is in a critical mutable sign at 17 degrees.

I don’t know if this is emotions overwrought, (anger and upset) over the Mortgage business, however the 2nd house does rule “Real property” and Real Estate.


I checked Hopi (Ambush ) and this asteroid is found at 20Virgo in the 8th house conjunct to Juno (marriage partner or like commitment) one who could also be jealous if Juno is involved here, as it is located 23Virgo.

One thing is pretty obvious, someone was very angry at this woman.

Very!

The testimony of 18Scorpio at the MC says this was indeed going to be a "black and white" issue.
Not a grey or let's talk about it meeting.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3589/janetsimpsonlastseen.gif

Leomoon80
12-18-2010, 02:46 PM
Correction: .......tsk, tsk, someone is not reading my posts, lol:


Zeus and Saturn are not square the Lights (Sun & Moon) in the above chart
but rather are Sextile the Lights.

Zeus and Saturn are instead, square to Ceres and Toro.

Moon is not in Cancer, but of course as you can see in Sagittarius when she left that restaurant.

I was looking intently at that 6th House Cancer Ruled Decision that was made here, and said the Moon was in Cancer which clearly it was not.
The Decision making house, the 6th was in Cancer at this hour, hence the Moon (it's ruler) takes on the prominence for being both the co-ruler of this chart as well the ending found in the 11th in militaristic Sagittarius.

Saying that Saturn was "looking for it's due", still applies even with the Sextile, as Saturn is harmonious here with it's efforts to exact some type of revenge on M's Simpson.

Sorry folks,.......Happy Holidays! :)

Leomoon80
12-18-2010, 03:11 PM
More info I just found on this Missing woman case:

She WAS involved with someone, or seeing someone. She WAS in a position to have people angry with her, (homeowners going into foreclosure)
Either/or....Who kidnapped her, or did her harm is the question?


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/09/1897469/no-onstar-signal-for-missing-womans.html

Myra Pendry, a Liberty East waitress, told the Observer that she saw Simpson, her former classmate, on Sunday morning when she came for breakfast at the restaurant, where she is a regular.

Relatives said Simpson, a mortgage broker, did not come home Sunday night and didn't arrive at work Monday at a Bank of Granite branch in Charlotte.

Friends and family have left messages on Simpson's home and cell phone, said Mike Stephens, Simpson's ex-husband, who has remained close friends with her.

Now her cell phone's inbox is full, and they still haven't heard from her, he said Wednesday.

Stephens said his ex-wife had been seeing a man in Durham, who said he spoke to her Sunday as she was leaving the restaurant. She told the man in Durham she had a few errands to run and she'd call him later, Stephens said. She never called.

"We're just hoping for the best at this point," Stephens said.

Stephens said Simpson has been going through a stressful period following the death two weeks ago of her mother, who suffered from Alzheimer's disease.

"I'd love nothing more than to find her stressed out in a hotel," he said.

But Stephens said she's never left for days without telling anyone.

"That's the thing that really scares you," he said.

Video from Charlotte News Update:
http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/local/Candlelight-Vigil-for-Missing-Woman-111735499.html

Leomoon80
12-18-2010, 05:38 PM
NATAL CHART (SUNRISE) NO TOB KNOWN:

Her Sun is afflicted by being so tightly aligned to fixed star SKAT, and it is not that alone, but the fact that her Sun is also square to Mars and Mars is conjunct
Fixed star ANTARES a star known for violence in the natal map. All this adds up to a violent end.

In the Progressions we can learn more about Janet Simpson’s vulnerabilities (the chart posted is not showing the progressions ),
As Jupiter progressed to conjunct within minutes her natal Atropos
At 24Gemini.
Her Venus progressed to 26Taurus 47minutes or conjunct “Algol”

Transits (shown) show us Saturn just passed over Ceres, (she recently lost her mother a few months ago) and was still reeling over that loss! (see article above)
Transiting Moira approaches her natal Neptune and TR. Atropos & Venus approaches her natal Saturn when she disappears.

The Natal Moon is not doing her any favors in Capricorn, for it’s in Detriment in this sign.
Or more succinctly said, her moon is opposite the Moon in it’s Exaltation in the sign of it’s exaltation (Cancer) , so the emotions are thwarted here in Capricorn, 180 degrees away.
The Moon on the 28th of February, stayed in Capricorn the entire day .

The natal nodes are giving us clues too, for this eventuality.
My thought is that North Node (in Vedic is seen as a malefic the same as the South Node would be),…however in Tropical Astrology,because we are in the West, we might see (depending on our own philosophy), the North Node as a
Benefit in Christianized thought, ……or attempting to overcome with a higher purpose in the life i.e. the NN (a benefit then) philosophically speaking.

Whereas Buddhists see “all time as one time” hence, the Nodes are pretty much indicators of the karmic wheel, or the same.

There is still a 3rd philosophy surrounding the Nodes of the Moon , for those who prefer may see the North Node as the indicator of the “group” without any religious/spiritual connotations involved.

What about Janet Simpson’s Nodal Axis?
Her North Node in late degree of Capricorn conjunct Chiron suggests she is one who finds much pleasure in trying to accomplish herself in the material world (Capricorn) in the business world. It’s a healing for her to do so, to bring about inner healing (perhaps to offset all that sacrificing Pisces in her natal chart)

Yet, the South Node (a malefic in both astrological main texts), is conjunct Uranus in Cancer and is also aligned with the fixed star POLLUX, the “twin of Castor” yes, the twins of Gemini, but in Cancer (preceeding sign) or the (Sidereal skies constellation)

Thanks to Anne Wright’s wonderful site, “Constellation of Words” we learn what Robson, Ebertin and others have to say about this particular Fixed Star and the Constellation:

According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars; and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Mars and Uranus. It gives a subtle, crafty, spirited, brave, audacious, cruel and rash nature, a love of boxing, dignified malevolence, and is connected with poisons. [Robson*, p.185-186.]

Pollux has a strong Martian nature and has the name 'the wicked boy' of the of the sibling Twins. According to its nature, this star is brutal and tyrannical, violent and cruel if in conjunction with the Sun, Moon, Ascendant, MC or with malefics.

Just as Mars has its good sides if the energy it creates is channeled constructively, so Pollux should not always be considered as unhelpful. The star badly placed could manifest that way, not by the native misusing his energy but by others deceiving him and fate playing him some cruel tricks. Helper if in peril on voyages at sea. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.41.]


I'd give much thought as well to JUNO in M's Simpson's natal map, because it is very afflicted by degree and the alignment to the fixed stars.
This tells me that JUNO in her chart shows the type of men she'd be attracted to, and even though her ex husband speaks lovingly of her, and that's wonderful to hear they were still good friends, I have to wonder about other men she may have been interested in.

Juno does not necessarily indicate or implicate her husband at all, but can have to do instead with jealousy or others she'd possibly would consider marrying. The degree of Juno is what worries me, in this sign of fixed Leo.

Janet S. seems by her natal chart (caveat being no Ascendent known)
a very open and friendly , (Mars in Sag) trusting (Sag and Pisces) even sacrificing, empathetic type of woman, who easily could have been fooled by someone by her traits of vulnerability or giving ALL the benefit of the doubt when the instincts said not to, she may have not listened to that "still small voice within"......but trusted instead that no harm would come to her.

It's possible someone pulled the wool over her eyes, by their tale of financial woe due to her work, OR a personal attack....by someone she knew and trusted (Venus approaches by transit with Atropos over her natal Saturn)

:waitasec:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8370/janicesimpsonnatalsunri.gif

jbowman55
12-20-2010, 10:59 PM
Leomoon, in the first house of Janet's last seen, here's Neptune and Chiron conjunct at 26 degrees Aquarius, just like the 1:15 chart of the Shannons' wreck in Illinois. This is the Sabian "in a park surrounded by high walls, an imposing mansion has its gates wide open" degree again.

The geographic location of the SUV when it was found was near an old textile mill, which if you look at it on Google maps, looks like a sprawling industrial location, very near the river. It is strikingly similar to the image I have of the vicinity of the Shannons' accident.

Just seemed a quirky coincidence.

JB

Edited to add: Is the perp a woman? Sure looks like Venus in Scorpio is king of the hill...

Leomoon80
12-20-2010, 11:39 PM
Leomoon, in the first house of Janet's last seen, here's Neptune and Chiron conjunct at 26 degrees Aquarius, just like the 1:15 chart of the Shannons' wreck in Illinois. This is the Sabian "in a park surrounded by high walls, an imposing mansion has its gates wide open" degree again.

The geographic location of the SUV when it was found was near an old textile mill, which if you look at it on Google maps, looks like a sprawling industrial location, very near the river. It is strikingly similar to the image I have of the vicinity of the Shannons' accident.

Just seemed a quirky coincidence.

JB

Edited to add: Is the perp a woman? Sure looks like Venus in Scorpio is king of the hill...

Hi:

thanks for giving us this info, I'm counting on you for the Sabian Symbols, when these woman are finally found! :) It does sound intriguing doesn't it?
I don't know if I can find that location on google map, but I'll be looking for it.


In these two cases, the Sabien Symbol of a mansion with gates or huge building, do sound interesting, and I don't tend to use them as a regular part of my astrology,however, IF proven to be part of the crime when resolved, I'd be very tempted to use them in the future. Time will tell.

I hope that these cases (as all of them) are brought to some type of conclusion so the families can all rest and move on.

Until then, we simply don't know what happened and so, all readings still await finding answers as to what happened to these women.

As for Venus at 2 degrees Scorpio? I think that is M's Simpson as Venus is in a public house, being seen and was supposed to attend a family function leaving that restaurant.

See that Venus in the 9th is also in the same house of Moira - and Venus
is square to both the ASC and the D/C so, in harm's way in this chart, even though it's aspects appear well., All is far from well when Venus squares the
Angles.

jbowman55
12-21-2010, 12:43 PM
Just learned this morning that my eldest daughter knows Janet Simpson. They were coworkers for a while, before Janet returned to Charlotte.

JB

Leomoon80
12-22-2010, 03:48 PM
There is a lot of creativity (Uranus) about Debbie Flores, but also a lot
of trouble awaiting Uranus that is stressed in one's natal chart to this extent!
A double-edged sword in this case. Uranus.

This link if accessed takes a long time depending upon your own computer system capability. Best to do something else while you wait for it to add all it needs to, lots of photos, etc.
http://www.myspace.com/debbiesmilkduds

I'm not sure if the missing BF's data is here on this link or not as my computer is being replaced this week for its a rather slower one to look , but there are many photos here of this young woman and her "friends":
http://antboogieworld.com/profile/DebbieFloresNarvaez?xg_source=activity

Not surprising at all when it comes to a stressed-out Uranus or Uranian soul.

VENUS TRANSITS PERSOPHONE (ABDUCTION) OF DAUGHTER OF DEMETER
AND ZEUS! CONJUNCT ATROPOS (KILLS HER) 3 testimonies - AS SATURN ALSO CONJ. HER NATAL ATROPOS.

Leomoon80
12-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Natal with unknown birth time (Ignore the houses):

She does have Uranus quincunx her Mars even though not shown in the graph below the chart. That is why it’s important to eyeball the chart itself and not always rely on othe bottom information under the chart.

Uranus is most important in Debbie’s natal chart understanding her choices in life, because they will be ones that ultimately bring her to new understandings, after the terrible chances she took with non-thinking for such as
Wonderfully intelligent young woman as she was with Mercury in Gemini

She could outhink most people and getting a Master’s Degree even in Law was a breeze for one with this chart.
Yet Uranus is a double edged sword isn’t it?
Depending upon what was done with this energy, we'd see aspects as such, (double edged)
and in her case, the formation of congregating planets, works against her in the end.

Neptune (illusions about love affairs) and Mars (personal behavior patterns) pulls this train of planets.
Her Uranus (the planet of extremes) opposed Algol, and squares her Moon, quincunx her Mercury (therefore, the stress is also on overcoming barriers perhaps laid down at home)
As she saw them to be causing her to reach over the barriers, not only stretching them but pushing them down completely to bring her into a place that was unsafe quite frankly.
Both psychologically and as it turned out for her, physcially too. Uranus sesquare her Sun.

There are no beneficial aspects made to her natal Uranus. :(

There will be an explosion at some point in time for her, and I suppose it was now., it was just a matter of timing.

Abduction was possible then, perhaps likely as her SUN is critical too, at 13Cancer.
With Mercury in Gemini, it’s quite possible it’s true about her higher achievements and education, however, Mercury is also in poor aspect all around, many problems she had.
Venus semi-square to that Mars which quincunx Uranus! She was beaten up by her love.

Black Moon Lilith in the “Definite Loss”degree and is harsh to Mars. Beaten up yet still went to see him.

It shows (breaking down the mental barriers) on the MySpace and especially the other site/link.

Sun is also square Pluto in the 13th of Cancer a Cardinal sign.
Being both Critical and squaring Pluto may mean an early death.



http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4853/screenshot003v.jpg

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2981/screenshot004vq.jpg

Leomoon80
12-22-2010, 04:17 PM
Last Solar Return (ignore the houses, without her time of birth)

Grand Square Formation – puts SN conj. her Sun a malefic indicator.
Jealousy, (Juno) conj. her Sun

Grand Cross included Pluto with the Sun, the malefics Saturn & Uranus (in critical degree)
Potent for an abduction, all indicators here. Furthermore, Debbie’s Venus is in a murder degree, at 25Leo conjunct Atropos . Death by a jealous lover or perhaps over jealousy with another 3rd party involved with the b.f.

She would be fooled or even possibly drugged Knocked out or poisoned, may be another possibility with Neptune coming up for her.
(Neptune conj. crisis Chiron & BML.

And of course, this was the last Solar Return …..indicators.

She disappeared 5 months later!

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1826/screenshot005wc.jpg

LAST SEEN EVENT CHART:

8Leo is said to be a murder degree?
Sun in 5th of love affairs – between Cupido and Vertex and same degree!
This suggests a fated meeting (Vertex) and the Sun is the Ruler of the chart.
Lachesis then Mars & Pluto all here.

POF opposes Atropos,Venus and she’s dead.

Uranus squares Mercury,Sun, Mars & Pluto – so abducted But by whom?
Uranus rules the 7th house cusp of the other….
The B.F. should be seen as house 5 ruled by Jupiter and Jupiter does conj. Uranus.

Aquarius the sign seen on the D/C cusp

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6351/screenshot006cz.jpg

Leomoon80
12-22-2010, 04:34 PM
Ex B.F. said she left as Dexter came on TV


From Cable network info:

SHOe Sun, Dec 8:00 PM The Big OneIn the fifth-season finale, Dexter smells a trap being set for him and Lumen (Julia Stiles) and... more

nervous_nellie
12-22-2010, 04:52 PM
hi leomoon :) i know this probably doesnt help but on jbg's myspace(which was basically empty of any/all info... i will dig up the link if i can re-find it) he says that he is sag but iirc we had this same problem with j.skelton too, didnt we? i cant seem to find jason "blu" griffith's dob. and i spent quite awhile searching. i thought i had a slam dunk when the police/arrest papers showed up this morning - but no go... i will keep looking. though i think your interpretation is most likely right on the money. one interesting thing that you pointed out is of the possibility of a jealous 3rd party - do you mean a female that was also involved with the ex-bf? or a different male that was smitten with debbie?

Leomoon80
12-22-2010, 05:30 PM
hi leomoon :) i know this probably doesnt help but on jbg's myspace(which was basically empty of any/all info... i will dig up the link if i can re-find it) he says that he is sag but iirc we had this same problem with j.skelton too, didnt we? i cant seem to find jason "blu" griffith's dob. and i spent quite awhile searching. i thought i had a slam dunk when the police/arrest papers showed up this morning - but no go... i will keep looking. though i think your interpretation is most likely right on the money. one interesting thing that you pointed out is of the possibility of a jealous 3rd party - do you mean a female that was also involved with the ex-bf? or a different male that was smitten with debbie?

The D/C 7th house cusp is ruled by Aquarius, which is not a BiCorporal or double bodied sign, so no I don’t think there are two involved.
The indicators of the charts both transits and S/R show jealousy probably was or would be involved. More then likely from her rather then towards her.

The 8th house cusp is Pisces in the 0 degree, so critical and BiCorporal. , but two were not killed, as her sister says she was no longer pregnant.

The cusp of the 6th house of decision making, is ruled by Capricorn with Mercury on the dark side of this cusp opposing Kronos (the ultimate in authority) taking that stance.
The cusp itself is conjunct “FACIES” which suggests that the decision made was a self-serving and ruthless one.

jbowman55
12-23-2010, 01:45 PM
Is there anything to be gained from looking at a chart for the time that Janet Simpson's SUV was discovered by LE?

This happened at 10:21 p.m., Thursday, Dec 9, per the following article:

http://www.gastongazette.com/articles/charlotte-53348-missing-woman.html

I see Neptune/Chiron conjunct the Descendant, Venus @ 5Scorpio in house 3 (she's not far from where her SUV was found?) (Sabian, "a nice and well-maintained garden; an uncultivated field with a donkey kicking"), Mars/North Node/Pluto/Mercury all conjunct in house 5, Uranus/Jupiter/Lilith conjunct in house 8. I see it, just don't know how to interpret it.

JB

Leomoon80
12-23-2010, 06:36 PM
Is there anything to be gained from looking at a chart for the time that Janet Simpson's SUV was discovered by LE?

This happened at 10:21 p.m., Thursday, Dec 9, per the following article:

http://www.gastongazette.com/articles/charlotte-53348-missing-woman.html

I see Neptune/Chiron conjunct the Descendant, Venus @ 5Scorpio in house 3 (she's not far from where her SUV was found?) (Sabian, "a nice and well-maintained garden; an uncultivated field with a donkey kicking"), Mars/North Node/Pluto/Mercury all conjunct in house 5, Uranus/Jupiter/Lilith conjunct in house 8. I see it, just don't know how to interpret it.

JB

Is this in Belmont North Carolina (Halifax County or Gaston County?)
if you know...

Meanwhile: It would be great IF we could also get the time of the Witness seeing him on Tuesday .......but I don't see where she mentioned what time of day it was. :waitasec: You would think the Police or LE would have mentioned this to the media.

Regulus Rising, a Fall will be the outcome of this event. The Ruler being the Sun which rules Leo.

The Sun is in the mutable critical degree of 17Sagittarius – semi square to it's own ruler Jupiter – found in the 8th of Death. The Sun itself represents the event and is found in the 4th house of endings.
Conjunct Lachesis, which is the asteroid pointing to choosing a time of death.

If we look to the all important 1st house giving us clues as to this event itself,
we see that both Hopi is there, conjunct to Juno which falls into the 2nd of my Halifax Va. chart .
This appears then to be more personal then business related.

Hopi is here in Virgo – Virgo is deliberate planning and Hopi is about
a possible ambush with knives or even stabbings involved. (Wescott)
Juno normally is about personal relationships, perhaps jealousy involved.

The Part of Fortune for this killing event is in the 11th house of Opportunity.
There was an opportunity he saw and took it.
Check the aspects to the POF for further clues.

Notice that the opposing house and planets are the 5th which suggests a lover may be involved here.
If not a lover, perhaps gambling debts or a gamble, for the 5th rules such things as this.


Toro is about serious brutality and rage, much violent aggression.

The Moon (co-ruler of the chart) is found in the 6th of Decision making which may suggest that this person was very angry with Janet Simpson, and deliberated a while before ambushing her.

The Ruler of the D/C cusp, the 7th house of “the other” and known enemies, is in Aquarius and the Ruler then is Saturn (exalted in Libra) and in the maximum or 15th degree square to Mercury . These emotions seem to suggest a certain deliberate and calculated coldness here. (Saturn original ruler of , Aqu, Capricorn, Aquarius secondary ruler is Uranus)

It's also possible money was involved as there has been that first speculation it could have been an angry homeowner who she was foreclosing on in her business.
We'd look to the 2nd and 8th for real property and other's assets in that regard.

It's possible too......as we do see Saturn (ruler of the 7th) is stationed here in the 2nd house .

It appears to me that Venus in the 3rd of communications and short trips is indicating
Janet Simpson. Conjunct to Atropos suggests she is no longer on the earth, and the opposing Persophone is the indicator of an Abduction, to a far away place, or at least further from her home or the restaurant in Charlotte where she was last seen.

Leomoon80
12-23-2010, 07:23 PM
Scorpio 4th house cusp The End of the Matter House

In Scorpio – rules cemeteries , cremation, executions, dumps, rubbish, places that are subject to flooding? Morgues, incinerators, junk dealers (or where junk is stored)
locks & locksmiths, low class people, treachery (trees, bushy and hedging)
rotting & place of rots.
Places where there are ruins (near water) Streams (muddy & sluggish)
stagnant water, rest rooms – Property (real or in Escrow)
Plutonium, stagnant water , sewage, sanitation, Southwest direction (as in the wall of a room)

Swamps and tarpits..........Underground places, underground passages & vaults.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2l91duc.gif

jbowman55
12-23-2010, 08:16 PM
The Belmont community involved in this case is in Gaston Co, NC.

I had wondered if this was personal, rather than occupational. Something I saw in one of these charts, perhaps the abductor Saturn in 8 squaring both Moon and Sun in 11 in the last seen chart? Completely bypasses the 10th house of professional matters...but the Saturn individual involved in both the beginning and the end of the matter?

Thank you.

JB

Leomoon80
12-23-2010, 09:21 PM
It figures, everytime I choose one locale, it's another one., the alternate one.
:banghead:

Anyway, the other county puts the Event at 25 degrees Leo, a degree in this sign of murder!All other remains the same pretty much.

Although on the last Seen chart, the Sun & Moon are in the 11th, Saturn is in the 8th house, close to the 9th, and conjunct ZEUS both at 14 degrees Libra. Saturn is exalted in the sign of Libra (strong) a literal strong, but don't put bias as to "how" the strength of Saturn is then utilized. We often make mistakes is we do (use bias) even as to strength of planets. The Planet does what it does)reflect) naturally.......and for Saturn, it's a known Malefic from the ancient days. Like Mars and unlike Jupiter (the greater benefic) Venus the (lesser Benefic)

http://www.astroheal.com/articles/malefic-benefic.html

Also in the 7th of the others, was Vertex at 0 degree Virgo which conjuncts Fixed Star Regulus which only recently actually moved into this new sign. The Fixed Stars do move, but extremely slow, taking about 72 years to move one degree.

So, marking a Royal Persian Star to the Vertex or any planet and angle, should be noted as well.

Degrees of crisis, murder or Fixed Stars of note, need all be read as being of importance in an event story.

Saturn is actually Sextile (a harmonious aspect) of 60 degrees within orb ,
to the Sun & Moon.

I'd take this to say that Saturn (planet of woe and harm and a known malefic ) is doing what it is with the approval of the Sun and the Moon ....working in unison with these symbolic lights of the event itself.
Planets are to be read as neutral bodies but of course with known malignancies or benefits to them seen

Perhaps SAturn is telling us he managed to fool or otherwise abduct her, and therefore Saturn (the malefic perhaps him, ) is in good stead with the Sun & the Moon in the 11th of stranger danger., or hopes, dreams, wishes.


note: The visual problem with the Event chart is that normally with 3 houses apart of 30 degrees each, we see this as a square , but in this case, note the houses are quite chopped up,, very small or or condensed as compared to an Equal house chart (Placidius or unequal in this case chart ) because of the cusps being unequal.

So, you need to check the sign (Libra) and degree (14) of Saturn in the 8th (near the the 9th cusp)
and count 60 degrees (a Sextile) over to the Sun & Moon 13 SAG and 12 SAG respectively .

It's easy to confuse the unequal houses with the larger equal ones sometimes.

Tuba
12-28-2010, 01:41 AM
The Fixed Star Zosma conjoins Joanna's Ascendant, of the nature of Venus combined with Saturn. The day was a Friday, ruled by Venus and the hour by Saturn. She is a landscape architect and works at the same establishment as her fiance, who lived with her but was out of town for the holiday.

Mercury rules her in this Last Seen television capture and is quincunx Part of Death (seen in the margin), just as co-ruler Moon is quincunx Saturn. 150° is a death aspect and she was frozen when found at Longwood Lane, three miles north of her flat via the suspension bridge. She was clothed. Her ruler Mercury was antiscion our lunar eclipse of December 21, three days after the CCTV footage of her taken at Tesco.

Since she was last over Pluto and the node in Capricorn, she was sized up as the perfect target before she ever reached home. It also appears that she looked cross-ways at someone who took it big. (Moon opposite Venus). The missing pizza is an odd note but seen in this same opposition of the Taurus Moon.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/JoannaYeatesDeadinBristolat25001.jpg

Leomoon80
12-28-2010, 05:54 PM
I have been following this case on another Astrology forum, which gives a different timeline.

Here is the latest timeline I could find, and see a map or graph of the various stops she made, the last one at
20:40 Hrs. December 17th, 2010

Is there a link for the Timeline for the above posted chart showing the time to be 10:41PM?

Appreciate seeing the link for this timeline or background of the case .

Here is the one I have:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12084756

Tuba
12-28-2010, 08:02 PM
The CCTV capture time originally quoted in British newspapers has been corrected by police & this morning I prepared the horoscope. I will post it as soon as possible. Although the first report was wrong, of course it does reflect activity subsequent to her exit from the flat, so it has that value. Police are uncertain as of this moment when she was murdered but it has been determined that she was strangled. The number of days between going missing and discovery of her frozen corpse was eight.

Tuba
12-28-2010, 09:00 PM
This is the time being provided today by police for the victim entering her home. She has a cat, Bernard, and you will see the cat, Venus, waiting at the door. It's possible the scent of pizza was noticed by someone in her building or the next one and an inquiry was made, as in "Care to share that?" Whoever is responsible for her dashing out of the flat and meeting a sorry fate had lustful designs on her.

There is great concentration of planets in the Romance House and its ruler squares her (Jupiter sq. Sun) but all of these aspects are adverse. Neptune, in addition, is adverse, because he rules House 8 of homicide. With the critical degree on her Ascendant, the trouble began immediately she got in. What was coming next is shown by any planet in the first quadrant, in this case Saturn who represents a problem. Most unhelpful, we are also dealing with a violent Mars because he is out of bounds.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/JoannaYeatesArrivesatherFlat001.jpg

Leomoon80
12-28-2010, 09:31 PM
I used the 8:40PM chart (I see you posted it for 8:45PM), so within 5 minutes of my own.

Here is what I saw in this chart:

On the Last Seen at Pizza Parlour chart, we see the 5th house stellium, house of recreation and lovers, i.e. potentially a b.f. or lover, although it is said thus far, the current beau has an alibi and was out of the home at the time visiting friends or relatives and was not expected back home for a few days.

With Leo Rising, the Sun rules the chart and is found in this house

The house of “Decision Making” the 6th house is ruled by Saturn, (Capricorn's ruler)
found in the 2nd and quincunx (negative for health) to the Moon found in the 10th in Taurus,13 degrees.


The Moon is co-ruler of the chart event , and as such, is suggesting that the one who made the decision in this chart did so, in peril to the Moon (action) which also opposes Venus (a romantic interest)
Venus (the romantic interest) is found in the 4th house conjunct “Atropos” the asteroid marking a death.

The 4th is always the “end of the matter “ house and Venus conjuncts fixed star “Crux” or the Cross (a great burden is to come to this ending)

The 5th of recreation and lovers is also ruled by Jupiter found in the 8th house of death between the Black Moon and Uranus, and also is in the sign of Pisces, so we need to look at Neptune

We find Neptune where we might expect , in the 7th of the “others” and known enemies.

As such, the Ruler here is Aquarius, which takes us back to the 8th house and Uranus also conjuncts the
Part of Fortune always indicating “misfortune” when in the 8th, Scorpio's house.

Checking the aspects that the Part of Misfortune makes for this event timed chart, we see that
Part of Fortune (misfortune in this case) is square to Mars (death aspect) square Mercury (natural ruler of the house of decision making) and square to the NN (the fate of this chart)

It is said to look to the Moon (co-ruler of the event) in the chart for clues and timing.
Look also to Mercury for timing.

In this chart Moon is quincunx the Ruler of the 7th, the one who abducts her.
I meant to put Persephone (asteroid 399) into this chart, but neglected to find it.
Persephone is the daughter of Demeter in Greek mythology, and indicates an abduction.

Persophone is : in the 9th, the dark side of the next house, and conj. The cusp of the 10th
5 degrees Taurus conjuncts the MC and is RX in this chart.
Persophone is therefore within one degree of the MC (important to note for the event itself and how it will unfold) as well, is conjunct Fixed Star “Hamal” (ruthless behavior)

Leomoon80
12-28-2010, 09:55 PM
The first time I attempted to open this PDF, my computer crashed, but the 2nd time I had no problem and it opened right up!

It's a Finland Report on Manual Strangulation.

It appears that 59 cases in Finland over a matter of a few years were carefully catalogued.

They found that only in 1 case was it by a stranger and all others by known acquaintences, etc.

I haven't yet read the entire study however.

I do recall in this country, we had Jon Benet Ramsey as one unsolved case, and then I think it was Laci Peterson?
the other strangulation victim?

Anyway, here is the Pdf if anyone is interested in it, as this young woman was also strangled.

Perhaps 59 cases however, does not a pattern make.

:waitasec:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/gxg64w4w165466k1/fulltext.pdf

added:
Here is a case I am very familiar with. I knew this girl in my childhood.
She is now a grandmother and in prison for perhaps life.
Putting her tiny size 5 shoe on his neck (the victim) an elderly man, she scammed for years, taking all his money she simply couldn't tolerate him or his needs any longer the prosecution asserted.
She strangled him too, with a ligature......
So, she'd fall into the category of "an intimate" in the 59 list.

An Aries Sun 9 deg. Mercury in Pisces (she had/has an adoreable lisp when she talks) sounds "vulnerable" all the time, only less then 5 ft. tall, and was believe it or not the "Queen of the Hop" on a local TV show. Her Venus however, conjuncts
Algol at 25Taurus

She is still very pretty in her 60s, as a grandmother. But as they say, "Pretty is, as Pretty does" :(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030403687.html

Leomoon80
12-29-2010, 12:07 AM
Natal Chart with no time of birth known (ignore the houses)


Jonathan's natal chart has the South Node conjunct Medea (killing of one's child)
while Transiting Neptune and Chiron 27Aq. goes over this place and this Malefic Node.
These transits are also opposing fixed star Regulus., which happens to conjoin his natal North Node.
Often we see problems with the Nodes or angles conjunct the Fixed Persian Royal Stars.
Regulus is one of them, but usually, the fall is just that, a temporary set-back for one with Regulus in their natal chart.

Transiting Vesta goes over his natal Mercury which happens to conjunct exact fixed star Antares
at 9 Sag – always another problem for attracting violence into the life.
Usually subconsciously however.

I do not think from the looks of this natal that Jon is alive any longer for Transiting Atropos
always a death indicator – is stationed over his natal Sun exact orb – (not good for life)
nor is Transiting Venus which falls at near the 21st degree (a definite loss degree) nearing Chiron.

As to why he has been taken and harmed?

Hopi (ambush) tr. Over his natal Mars and Zeus conjuncts by transit his natal Lachesis.

It may have been a pedophile, for Venus Transit and the Black Moon Lilith seems problematic and likely to me, as to the reason, - yet his Natal SN conj. “Medea” I still have to explain to myself and for now, keeps me perplexed until I do.

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/2043/jon.gif

Leomoon80
12-29-2010, 01:23 AM
I've decided to go with the "Emergency Phone Call to Mom" chart.
The mother of Jon was said to have been called to the telephone at her workplace,as an emergency all being made there to her, yet when she reached the telephone, no one was there.

This would be approximately 15 minutes AFTER the Stepfather said he last saw the boy.



Ruler of this chart is conjunct Hamal, a fixed star that speaks of intense ruthlessness and even murder.
From Constellation of Words:
(tropical position is 8Taurus, but the Sidereal is the Ram or in the constellation of Aries)

A yellow star situated in the forehead of the Ram and commonly known as the ram's Following Horn. From Al Hamal, the Sheep. Symbolically called the Death Wound and often incorrectly named El Nath. [Robson*, p.170.]
Influences: According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars and Saturn; and, to Alvidas, of Venus and Saturn. It causes violence brutishness, cruelty and premeditated crime. [Robson*, p.170.]

So, we know from this rising Star that this event (phone call ) means serious business, that the child
will be in extreme danger from the caller or his friend (whoever called) the mother.
The big question is, who did call? Who took Jonathan on Christmas Eve day?

With the Moon in Leo, in the 4th house where it is the natural Ruler, and opposing Neptune in the 11thof Opportunity, we know that it is also a crime tinged with undermining the child through lies and deception.

The House that rules the child who is the object of the phone call, is the 5th house Ruler or the Sun,
which is also points to the chart being radical and fitting.

The Sun however, in the 9th house conjunct the North Node (fate) within 10 minutes points unfortunately to the child's death as it also conjoins Pluto here.

Why does Juno show up on the cusp of the 6th house? Just as I still need to answer for myself, why
Medea is conjunct Jon's South Node in his natal chart, I suppose I'll wonder for awhile about this position of Juno. Can it be pointing to jealousy of some kind?

I simply don't have enough yet to go on, to start pointing fingers.

But with Mars in the 9th of long distance travel and Pallas in the 8th (pre-meditation)
I'm very concerned for this child, and it reminds me quite a bit of Kyron Horman's case.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4/emergencycall.gif

Leomoon80
12-29-2010, 01:32 AM
Sadly, I have just seen this latest report of a burned beyond recognition body of a child in Houston.

We will be looking at another chart for this time and place IF it turns out to be Jonathan's body. :(


Updated: Child Body found in a Ditch

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-jonathan-foster-case-burned-child-s-body-found-texas-ditch

The Houston Chronicle has reported that the body was discovered by a passerby in a ditch between two buildings along the 1500 block of Schilder in northeast Houston around 9:30 a.m on Tuesday.

REF:More information has come out regarding the mysterious phone call that Jonathan's mother, Angela Davis had received at her job.

"We believe Jonathan was actually on the phone and asked to speak to his mom and then a female gets on the phone and says this is an emergency," said Brian Harris of the Houston Police Dept.

"Angela called home and a woman answered and Angela asked for her roommate and the woman said the roommate wasn't there. Angela said, "This is Angela, I'm Jonathan's mother. Who are you?" Angela can hear the woman asking, "Is Angela your mother?" A boy's voice replies, "Yes, ma'am, Angela's my mother and then the phone went dead."

Doodles
12-29-2010, 10:05 AM
Leomoon80, the facts and times on this one may take awhile. Seems lies were told to the police by the mother, and there is missing time. First newspaper reports are notoriously inaccurate. Perhaps better information and times will be released today.

Doodles
12-29-2010, 03:57 PM
"Source: Arrest made in case of missing boy"

"A close family friend has been arrested and is expected to be charged with the kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster, a police source close to the investigation said today."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

Edit To Add Second Article:

"Sources: Woman to be charged in 12-year-old boy's disappearance"

http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-defends-Amber-Alert-delay-112574489.html

Doodles
12-29-2010, 05:09 PM
The news media are scrambling to get out the tidbits quickly.

"Source: Woman Arrested in Connection to Missing Child"

"The woman, now in custody, is an acquaintance of Jonathan Foster’s stepfather. A second person, a male, is being searched for in connection with the boy's disappearance"

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/101229-source-woman-arrested-in-connection-to-missing-child

sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 12:54 AM
Woman charged in 12-year-old boy's death
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7869821

Court date and DOB: Female, Mona Yvette Nelson 3/5/66
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/eDocs/Public/CaseDetails.aspx?CaseNbr=129030601010&CDI=3

The apprehension makes me happy, so I am not really requesting anything.

*****************************************
SUSPECT arrested- Photo-time line & criminal bkgnd
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html
By LINDSAY WISE and SUSAN CARROLL
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Dec. 30, 2010, 8:14AM
A break in the case came when Nelson's Ford F-150 truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert.

Investigators spent hours Wednesday questioning Nelson. They believe she took Jonathan to her home near U.S. 59 and Laura Koppe, where she likely killed him and burned his body, said HPD homicide investigator Mike Miller.

He said a search of Nelson's house turned up an "incredible amount of evidence" that points to Nelson as the killer, but investigators are still trying to discern her motive.
"That's the million-dollar question," Miller said.

She had spent time in prison
In 1984, Nelson was charged with aggravated robbery and later pleaded guilty in exchange for 10 years' probation, court records show. In 1991, her probation was revoked and she was sent to prison. It was unclear from court documents late Wednesday how she violated probation or how long she spent behind bars.

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 01:05 PM
Excellent full length photo in this link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/


The Arrest chart's focus is the arrest of a retired English
Teacher and lecturer of Romantic Poems. He is also the landlord who lived above her basement flat, where the young woman Joanna lived with her boyfriend.

This may not be the exact minute he was arrested, but very close to the time:
He appears to be rather eccentric as far as looks go, yet we do not have his date of birth either
to study.

His students said he once showed up to a lecture with blue hair! Gemini? Aquarius?

We'll probably be finding out soon enough.

Note he was arrested when Mercury was still rx,
Venus found in the 21st deg. Scorpio, which Anthony Louis calls a “Definite Loss” degree.

I'd see the deceased Joanna as being represented by Venus in the 11th as it also is conjunct Atropos.11th house of “opportunity” in this case and square Neptune (she trusted him) and it turned out badly.

The Sun upon the arrest is in Facies, or 8Capricorn (ruthless behaviors) and is the focus of the arrest
and quite fitting.
Conjunct to Pluto and Mars and 1st house NN.

The murder itself, is also represented by the Sun by virtue of the 8th house ruler.
The Police in this case, were quite lucky in some evidence they must have gathered, as Spica appears at the MC.

If it turns out to be him, then one less crazed murderer off the streets of Bristol.
Fixed Star “Spica” is more often lucky then not in the charts.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3199/architechtarrestchart.gif

Tuba
12-30-2010, 01:09 PM
Bristol police have arrested the man who lived upstairs from the victim and who owns the building or at least, was in the long term process of buying it. He is a retired teacher known for his eccentricity during that career. By age, he does fit the Saturn in House 3, the "problem coming up in quadrant 1". Venus rules the House of landlords, 10 and is member to the opposition with Moon, Joanna. He also resides at the same address.


He gave the police an account of people he saw that night when he pulled up in front of the building but later claimed the news and neighbors were making too much of it, that what he had told police was vague and had been distorted. Mercury retrograde could recant a story. I wonder if police inspected the upper flat and found some trace evidence of the pizza or of Joanna. It makes sense that she would not worry about leaving her keys inside if she were with him. He has keys to all the doors undoubtedly & in any case, she could have closed the door rather than lock it since she was going to remain in the building as far as she knew.

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 01:39 PM
ADDED: NEW LINK FOR UPDATED PHOTOS:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Flat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html





Looks like we cross posted Tuba, when the news came out this morn. :)

Looking back at your posted chart for the arrival to her flat (post 84 above), I'm now reminded that some witnesses, claim they "heard a scream" about 9PM that night.
I can't imagine what in the world anyone would be doing with a dead body for days until dumped?

Seeing your chart then, the Day Ruler certainly points to this horrible attack on Joanna, with Venus Rules - Mercury the Hr.

The 5th house of romantic interests.....stellium fits well,
as does Venus in the conjunction with fixed star "Crux" or Acrux at 11Scorpio, the "burden to bear" the Cross of life.
Not a fun Venus., although he lectures Romantic novels or poems . :(
Can't imagine what they might say.

Aquarius on the cusp of 7 - Neptune within the 7th house is a mixture of potent insanity, wierdness or a combination of the two.

With an 8th house Pisces Ruler, and Jupiter/Uranus within that house of death, the ruler of the 7th in the 8th.

I wonder of his Sun Sign and natal, which of course, I'm anxious to know when it's released. (or if with Mercury rx they may release him?) Perhaps, its the recanting of his original story?

Someone who lives in England says, his birth was recorded in 1945 between Oct-Dec quarter 1945 suggesting he was born somewhere between Sept-Dec 1945.

Tuba
12-30-2010, 02:18 PM
The man arrested may well have been loaded to the earlobes when he accosted Joanna Yeates. I'm sure police know where he had been that evening. He seized her so precipitously that it smacks of drunken "courage" to me. Of course, his zany quality may be way, way out and beyond all sane conduct even when sober but Venus in Scorpio, Mr. Jefferies, was parallel Neptune that night, Neptune which is printed small on every bottle at the bar. Venus was also sesquare Uranus, so he was bursting with the urge toward more & more exciting stimuli, aroused & sensation seeking.

The smoker's account of hearing screams fits the case with Mercury conjunct Mars and Pluto. Short (retrograde) and sharp (Mars).

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 02:25 PM
I think you are correct, it IS Venus in Scorpio that is Mr. strangelove

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Flat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html

Paulette
12-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Chris Jeffries info. No day given.

He was born in Grimsby in the January of 1945. He is believed to be an only child and his parents, Edward and Kathleen Jefferies, are both thought to be dead. He is not married.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12094715

AlexisFresca
12-30-2010, 06:10 PM
:::snipped for length from post #93 above:::

*****************************************
SUSPECT arrested- Photo-time line & criminal bkgnd
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html
By LINDSAY WISE and SUSAN CARROLL
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Dec. 30, 2010, 8:14AM
A break in the case came when Nelson's Ford F-150 truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert.

Investigators spent hours Wednesday questioning Nelson. They believe she took Jonathan to her home near U.S. 59 and Laura Koppe, where she likely killed him and burned his body, said HPD homicide investigator Mike Miller.

He said a search of Nelson's house turned up an "incredible amount of evidence" that points to Nelson as the killer, but investigators are still trying to discern her motive.
"That's the million-dollar question," Miller said.

She had spent time in prison
In 1984, Nelson was charged with aggravated robbery and later pleaded guilty in exchange for 10 years' probation, court records show. In 1991, her probation was revoked and she was sent to prison. It was unclear from court documents late Wednesday how she violated probation or how long she spent behind bars.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone here had a chance to do a chart for Mona Nelson? As with everyone else, I'm extremely stumped as to 'why?'.

Thanks! :)

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I did the chart, but I don't have the "why" :(

If we researched the moon's position for this day of her birth, (the 25th of Leo is a murder degree) i.e. "not good"
Nor would the 13-18th degree be wonderful either!

Then there is Uranus 17Virgo, is in not only a critical degree of this erratic planet (because it's in a mutable sign) , but also in serious inharmonious aspect to just about everything in her natal chart.
Add the retrograde motion when born.

I think that Uranus is the "why" of this god-awful deed this woman did.
Uranian influences? Perhaps a young soul (doesn't make this trip often) is one guess, another would be as Edgar Cayce pointed to, ....erratic souls Uranians.
The planet he says, is " one of extremes' when not evolved enough.


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5861/jonathanfostermurdererw.gif

sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I am also asking again about Mona Nelson because LE had stated in a press conference that they believe that she has done this before and she could be connected to another cold case.

This one has mentally and emotionally whipped me.

AlexisFresca
12-30-2010, 08:11 PM
I did the chart, but I don't have the "why" :(

If we researched the moon's position for this day of her birth, (the 25th of Leo is a murder degree) i.e. "not good"
Nor would the 13-18th degree be wonderful either!

Then there is Uranus 17Virgo, is in not only a critical degree of this erratic planet (because it's in a mutable sign) , but also in serious inharmonious aspect to just about everything in her natal chart.
Add the retrograde motion when born.

I think that Uranus is the "why" of this god-awful deed this woman did.
Uranian influences? Perhaps a young soul (doesn't make this trip often) is one guess, another would be as Edgar Cayce pointed to, ....erratic souls Uranians.
The planet he says, is " one of extremes' when not evolved enough.


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5861/jonathanfostermurdererw.gif

Thanks, Leomoon. Regarding the underlined (done by me) above, does this mean she was born destined to kill? She was just 'born into turmoil'? Not in the right kind of circumstances throughout her life to show her another direction/path she can take? Sorry, just trying to understand. I've also noticed her chart reading is shorter than others I've seen posted here. I'm still shocked by her actions, to say the least.

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 09:07 PM
Alexis:

It's certainly a Philosophical question you pose.
Everyone pretty much having their own thoughts, I'm sure, but for me, I believe in Reincarnation,and time being negligible except for fate and necessity (necessary for the soul to be born into) i.e. space & time.

When I say she may be a youngish soul, I meant, via experience in the earth plane.

To answer your question, I see no soul being born to fail or failure. The soul is "of god" imo., and we all believe God is good. Human fraility in the dualistic world creates a double standard and evil deeds are done here.

However, even though some believe it is "easier to succeed then fail" I do not see it that way, because the vibrations to which we are born and must then (by necessity) vibrate to, (until we create a new one), some of them are very harsh indeed.
The "Path of Least resistance" then, kicks in, and can level some of us.
It's easier don't you think to do or to be, what we term our "2nd nature" than to rise above any more
(what other's may deem) negative traits?

I mean if you are a jealous soul, prone to jealousy, etc, easily offended and have a very touchy ego, don't you think it's far easier to then give in to that path of least resistance and then fall into lockstep this way?

Reading the natal chart successfully, may touch upon such traits inherent for that particular soul they are working on this time around.

But we don't "have to be" that way ......we can exercise our free will and rise above. Isn't Jesus the pattern for many of us to do this? I think so.....but that's just me and similar minded people who may think so.

How many do rise above?

I know in one Edgar Cayce reading he said "The Stars and Planets impel , they do NOT compel"
And I've also heard others from the time of Plato may also have uttered a similar philosophy.

I think that pretty much sums it up then.

The "impelling force" is the planets and stars, but the doing, or not doing is up to all of us (free will)
She simply did not , for whatever reason, rise above those Uranian vibrations which are seen by most (in that degree of a mutable sign) and all those harsh aspects, as indicative of lessons to be learned in that regard.

I think I also mentioned earlier, I see that BiQuintile to her Mercury (mind) as intriguing, because we often see too, this creative aspect to the more negative end results in life.

Hope this makes a "degree " of sense to you, (no pun intended)

I'm sorrier the reading isn't longer for her, but I see Uranus in her chart as the blinking 4 way light at the intersection of life., and she intersected with poor little
Jonathan.

Didn't Jesus once say something about, "in life all must have some rain fall or hardships experienced? Yet "woe to him by whose hand it falls?"

(not exact quote) apologies to the purists among us, who know the bible quotes. It's the gist of it however.

Added: I found it, and it reminds me of this case and this woman who will need to face what she's done. The word sin supposedly means, "off the mark".

Luke 17:1-4
Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. (NIV)

As to your other underlined questions?

Look underneath the chart at Uranus (the glyph for Uranus) and then follow across the chart and see the various "inharmonious" aspects it makes. Remember, it's the planet of extremes.
In her case, Uranus squares and oppositions are abundant.

This causes her to be extreme in her "bad " behavior, as we have seen in this horrendous Christmas event.

Leomoon80
12-30-2010, 09:46 PM
Arrested M.N. has:

Uranus opposed to Saturn - "Will challenge the prevailing social patterns in which they live" (Alan Oken)

Uranus square to Jupiter: - Can be very dogmatic and unsure at the same time of their beliefs. Often too blunt in speech and action

Uranus opposite Mars: "A person who is drawn to the criminal element in life or one who is always challenging" At the very least, one who is reactive before thinking.

Uranus opposite Sun: (The will challenges the intuition) "Alan Oken" from his book "Complete Astrology"
says that this can easily be a hallmark of one who is the most erratic and unpredictable of people.
Compulsive anti-social behaviors.

Note: we have to take all of this with other factors, and as Fifth Essence has posted before, not to panic if we have any of these positions in our own charts, because everything modifies everything else. This is not only Uranus rx (repeating in a retrograde fashion);but in a critical degree in a mutable sign, and complicates the "impelling force" for Uranus in a negative way for her.

Her Venus at 3Aquarius, remember, the natural ruler of Aquarius IS Uranus! also makes intriguing Quintiles and Bi quintiles to various planets, suggesting she is not one who understands what true love is, compassion or giving unconditionally, but instead, uses the energy of a rather non-defined and objective Venusian energy in a strange way as well.

We do not know (for instance) that all important question, the time of her birth. So we can only guess what may be in her life.

I can see her Sun opposes Pluto , squares Jupiter and opposes Uranus. This tells me it's very likely she herself was abused as a child, and life is all about her now, with her warped value system and strange thinking habits.

The Sun is usually the archetype we grow into, using this as how we see our fathers in life, or one who is in authority.
Having such a strained "Pisces Sun" is indicative of what I mentioned.
Pluto opposing the Sun, in her case, is someone controlling her and that someone was probably the father or other men in her life as a child she was controlled by.
Pluto opposes Mars, opposes Saturn and squares Jupiter.

This says that the controlling force she was faced with from outside of her - (probably in the home life) did some serious damage to an already iffy life proposition.

Pluto is the force of control.
Mars is the body
Saturn can represent the father figure or older man, and is eventually in us, that which contains and restrains us in life.
Jupiter non-evolved tends to "over do" and overcompensate for good or bad for Jupiter is the planet of Expansion, just as Saturn is the planet of restrictions.
There is something also to be said about our physical enviornment and how we are raised as well as I believe, "not coming into life with a blank slate"

In her home life, it's very probably she experienced some truly brutal things, both seen and felt, done to her.
Very brutal.

Chiron indicates where we need to be healed.

See her Chiron is opposing both Uranus & Pluto which happens to be in the same degree or 17Virgo (very very potent here) merged as "one" energy of two potent outer planets.

Now, check her location of Chiron on the chart.
It sits between two Malefics, (Saturn and Mars) and both opposing that potent energy in a maligned degree or vibration.

Something had to give!

It's just a shame of course, that the "something" was little Jonathan. Beyond a shame.

Sometimes i wonder if some of us play the victim as the other is the agressor for the sake of the Whole.
But that again is a Philosophical discourse which doesn't belong here.

AlexisFresca
12-30-2010, 10:56 PM
Thanks, Leomoon for your response-post 104! I have very little understanding of charts, but did have mine done years ago. As a matter of fact, I don't know if it was natal, hortiery (sp?) or something else. I was told it shows my strengths and weaknesses, and that it helped me be able to see my weaknesses and make positive changes if I chose to. This of course is all paraphrased, best I can. I was also told some things could be changed by me. So I do understand a little of what you are trying to say.

Thank you also for post 105 that followed. It helped me understand more, especially the definitions and who represents what. Overall I am truly fascinated by what all of you do in this forum and appreciate the different viewpoints into cases that interest me.

Doodles
12-31-2010, 12:09 PM
There was a police press conference yesterday, and details published by the press may become a little more factual rather than the many conflicting tidbits given before.

"Woman charged in boy's murder speaks out"

"Police released more details in their case against Mona Nelson, the woman charged with kidnapping and killing Jonathan Foster, and they say the 12-year-old boy may not be her only victim."
...
"While investigators say they have their suspicions about a motive, they are not yet releasing that information. Authorities are also not saying how Jonathan died. "
...
"Once we arrived at her house, we stumbled into a wealth of evidence, evidence that showed perhaps his body was burned at the residence, evidence that showed the items he was burned with, evidence that had us pretty shaken up in collecting it."


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780 (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780)

Jersey*Girl
12-31-2010, 04:44 PM
Nelson is a maintenance worker & welder by trade. Just imagining what she did to Jonathan makes my skin boil and I seriously can't remember ever hating someone so much, such as how I feel for this woman. A flipping WELDER! So when you put 2 & 2 together, and knowing the police have said they believe Jonathan was murdered inside of her home then dumped, it makes you forget there's a higher power somewhat. My God these children should be protected. More and more are torchered. It's so disheartening...so very disheartening.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mona-nelson-accused-burning-jonathan-foster-shes-monster/story?id=12514556

Quote
Nelson is a former boxer who currently works as a maintenance worker and a welder.
End Quote

and

Quote
Burned carpet and twine that may have been used to tie the young boy's hands were found in Nelson's apartment. Nelson's welding equipment was also found at her apartment. Police think the welding equipment may have been used to burn the fifth grader's body.

"Once we arrived at her [Nelson's] house, we stumbled into a wealth of evidence, evidence that showed perhaps his body was burned at the residence, evidence that showed the items he was burned with, evidence that had us pretty shaken up in collecting it," Miller said.
End Quote

Truth Hunter
01-02-2011, 06:49 PM
Christopher Jefferies Birth Date

Christopher Jefferies, born 9th January 1945 in Grimsby, Lincs, England

The Uk's Daily Mirror newspaper displayed a copy of Chris Jefferies birth certificate sometime last week, also here is a link -http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Murder-suspect-pillar-society/article-3053291 - detail/article.html
Where this date is also mentioned.

Leomoon80
01-02-2011, 07:05 PM
Christopher Jefferies Birth Date

Christopher Jefferies, born 9th January 1945 in Grimsby, Lincs, England

The Uk's Daily Mirror newspaper displayed a copy of Chris Jefferies birth certificate sometime last week, also here is a link -http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Murder-suspect-pillar-society/article-3053291 - detail/article.html
Where this date is also mentioned.

I suppose I could post his natal chart which I have already erected, however, perhaps the others don't know that the police have released him as of yesterday, only being able to legally hold someone for a short time unless they have enough evidence to keep them over the extended or allotted time the law allows.

Reminds me of how they do this in Aruba when Joran van der Sloot was "arrested" in handcuffs but then let go, for insufficient evidence.

Each country has their own law and here we are very careful to not even call them suspects unless LE arrests them.

Over there in the UK, they handle this quite differently.

From the article:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/01/02/police-release-joanna-yeates-landlord-on-bail-as-boyfriend-pays-tribute-86908-22821606/

Jeffries was arrested on Thursday morning and police had been given several extensions to the time they could question him for.

But last night the 65-year-old former public school teacher was released just before 10pm.

Police said the murder probe was continuing.

BTW: IF they displayed his actual Birth Cert. did you happen to glance the time of birth? :waitasec:
I ask because he's so strange and eccentric, not your typical Capricorn Sun sign.

Truth Hunter
01-02-2011, 09:17 PM
This is my first time participating on a internet Forum, so here goes!

The time of birth is not recorded on British birth certificates.

Christopher Jefferies has been released on police bail, so he's not completely off the hook.

I'm a student of astrology, so not that adept at chart interpretation - a bit basic(just happened upon this forum while researching about Mr.Jefferies - looking for a birth time).

There has been a lot said about Chris Jefferies in the press, so there is a lot of imformation about his character.

He does have Venus(attire) in Pisces(theatrical) Sq [B]Uranus(eccentric) in Gemini(intellectual), so this may explain his appearance and behavior.
His Mercury(communication/literature) in Sagittarius(expansive,over-the-top) Sq Jupiter(grand scale) in Virgo(critical,exacting). His former students said he was very exacting, a stickler with pronunciation and made them repeat words over and over again until they got it right.
He is said to be obsessed with litrature, has a large book collection(In one news report, just before his arrest he was being questioned by the press outside his home, he had a canvas bag from a national book store, it appeared to be brimming with his latest buys). He is joint head of the neighbourhood watch group(crime awareness), but was said to do 95% of the talking at meetings. he runs a literary group as well.
He has Mars(anger) in Capricorn(frustration,blockages) conj Merc - he could get verbally explosive at times, when in arguments or debates according to reports.

Leomoon80
01-02-2011, 10:44 PM
This is my first time participating on a internet Forum, so here goes!

The time of birth is not recorded on British birth certificates.

Christopher Jefferies has been released on police bail, so he's not completely off the hook.

I'm a student of astrology, so not that adept at chart interpretation - a bit basic(just happened upon this forum while researching about Mr.Jefferies - looking for a birth time).

There has been a lot said about Chris Jefferies in the press, so there is a lot of imformation about his character.

He does have Venus(attire) in Pisces(theatrical) Sq [B]Uranus(eccentric) in Gemini(intellectual), so this may explain his appearance and behavior.
His Mercury(communication/literature) in Sagittarius(expansive,over-the-top) Sq Jupiter(grand scale) in Virgo(critical,exacting). His former students said he was very exacting, a stickler with pronunciation and made them repeat words over and over again until they got it right.
He is said to be obsessed with litrature, has a large book collection(In one news report, just before his arrest he was being questioned by the press outside his home, he had a canvas bag from a national book store, it appeared to be brimming with his latest buys). He is joint head of the neighbourhood watch group(crime awareness), but was said to do 95% of the talking at meetings. he runs a literary group as well.
He has Mars(anger) in Capricorn(frustration,blockages) conj Merc - he could get verbally explosive at times, when in arguments or debates according to reports.

We can look at the chart here in Case Briefings.

It happens to be I too am January 9th, and I can assure you with my stellium in Capricorn I am nothing whatsoever like Mr. Jeffries. :innocent:

You did make an excellent point however about Venus in Pisces and theatrical or artistry as we shall point to on the appropriately on this chart. Thanks for requesting it.

Leomoon80
01-02-2011, 10:59 PM
Here is the Natal Chart without a time of birth. We know that he is suspected or they would not have taken him in for questioning, but again, he is the Landlord.

WebSlueths is very careful about pointing fingers and people who are not arrested for crimes as well as only suspected of them.
If it were us, we'd want the same consideration I'm sure. :)

As for Mr. Jeffries?

Well, as you pointed out correctly Venus in Pisces may be artistically inclined because it's in Pisces, (ruled naturally by Neptune) the planet operates in such a role as Neptune governs. However, there certainly is a "down - side" to all with Venus in Pisces in that the planet then is also said to be more sacrificial in this sign then is good for a person to be generally speaking.
However, with a Stellium of planets in Capricorn, this would not apply to this native, as Capricorn mitigates greatly this ability to be giving freely without constraints or concerns (as with Venus in Pisces in it's optimum form)
Instead, the native will behave a lot as we have heard in the news thus far,
1) A Pillar of the Community (certainly a trait attributable to this sign of Capricorn)
2) being on various Boards for the neighborhood and the improvement of same
3) Being conerned for one's reputation and standing in the community.(same idea)

These are all "general" traits of course, generalizing and not being specific.

This being said, this native would tend to (be inclined to)
mitigate the energy from Pisces into a person to be seen by the community and others as prim, proper and conservative, both in politics and standing in one's community. The Venus in Pisces may come out in his personal social life, his love life (if any) and in this way, not necessarily as seen publically. Not having the time of birth of course, further mitigates the chart drastically when known.

IF there is anything wayward or not such as this, then we look elsewhere to explain the "other more eccentric" behavior that certainly does not fit a more general description of a Capricorn native with a Stellium or (many planets) in this sign.


Venus here is considered to be in the sign of it's Exaltation
so operates efficiently as long as there are no prevailing malefics or otherwise, hampering effects to the planet itself.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7220/architectsuspectlandlor.gif

Leomoon80
01-02-2011, 11:19 PM
The native does have his Moon "In Fall" in Scorpio and it was in this sign from the early morning until the next day , hence, in much later degrees of Scorpio all rather inharmonious as vibrations go, from 15-22nd degree .
I don't want to give the impressions that all with Moon in Scorpio however are more sinister, but perhaps more secretive then with the other signs of the Moon's more generous nature of emoting outwardly, (except in Virgo Capricorn tending to restrict their emotions)
Scorpio's emotions are often seen as a "horse of another color" so to speak.
It's a water sign, but not like Cancer or Pisces, rather emotes itself, more strongly seen, anger is very possible and keeping feelings close to the chest (not sharing them) with others easily. Anger then, can simmer longer and revenge is certainly possible if further maligned in the natal chart.

Further tainting the personality perhaps, and may be adding to the eccentricity everyone has noticed may be:

Mercury in Sagittarius (in Detriment) Retrograde
Uranus in Cancer (in Detriment) and Retrograde
Neptune in the sign of it's (Exaltation) * RX - weird, strange may culminate from Neptune as well as Uranus
For the "plus side" Neptune is also about being able to think abstractly, helps in this regard if well oriented in the natal chart.

Puts the emphasis on things that are more intangible, (but with this native as I've already pointed to, the Capricorn Stellium and the planets in Detriment will not allow for the intangible to be given freely without cost to the native)

Pluto in the sign of Leo and Rx

(Note: Pluto, Neptune & Uranus are all what we call, "Generational planets" meaning, they move very slowly,and his peer group would likewise have similar signs for these planets born in his generation.)

We cannot generalize then, but have to get FAR more specific in our delineation of Mr. J's natal chart to see if the potential for such rage is there as accused of.
And even IF the potential is there, we need to be very cautious before pinning the tail on the donkey!

After all, many people are strange and weird but this does not a murderer make when it comes to personality traits.

In this natal (no time of birth known) so again, generalizing ;
what concerns me is the South Node so closely conjoined his natal Sun in Capricorn. The South Node, (also called the Dragon's Tail)
is seen as a Malefic of sorts, both in Vedic and Tropical Astrology, and seldom do we see it so close to the Sun as here within minutes.

Another thing that "creeps me out" a bit, would be the Transits made on the 17th of December to this chart.
Transiting Hades (a TNP or TransNeptunian hypothetical planet)
discovered by Alfred Witte (Astrologer who was in a prisoner of war camp during the Nazi era and observed his fellow inmates carefully and wrote about) , was transiting 29degrees 45minutes over his natal Juno at 27degrees 53minutes Libra when Jo disappeared.
Hades is as it sounds, i.e. not pleasant.

By itself, it means nothing, it's the preponderance then, of astrological connections that have to be made before we then say, "this one or that one" could have been the culprit.

I'm no where near there yet with this chart making such a determination.

Thus far, I'm seeing only superficial yet disturbing signs such as Black Moon Lilith
conjunct within minutes to Neptune in Libra, and BOTH Quincunx to his natal Venus. That's a bit much to digest for me just yet.

It speaks of a "shadow" as the Black Moon often is referred as- yet why a shadow connecting to delusionary and undermining Neptune having to do with love and social life? (Venus) .....and what may tip one over the edge if pushed? :waitasec:

Not enough yet have I yet discovered on this chart and the event chart .

Perhaps others have.

I have to yet go back to the actual Event 9PM chart, or when she arrived home and others heard her or someone scream around the 9PM time.
Could she have surprised someone?

This is a start on this case, we may yet have a long way to go.

Tuba
01-02-2011, 11:46 PM
Disturbing and then some: Pluto was on his Mars, which had just hosted a Mars return, his Neptune was squaring that Pluto-Mars and Pluto-Mars opposed his Saturn. The Sun was on his Mercury, dead bang, and squared by transit Jupiter-Uranus. He fits the event chart right down to the pavement at 44 Canynge Road.

Leomoon80
01-02-2011, 11:54 PM
Disturbing and then some: Pluto was on his Mars, which had just hosted a Mars return, his Neptune was squaring that Pluto-Mars and Pluto-Mars opposed his Saturn. The Sun was on his Mercury, dead bang, and squared by transit Jupiter-Uranus. He fits the event chart right down to the pavement at 44 Canynge Road.


Thanks for saying what I didn't want to say!

After all, we share the same "birth" day, but then again, my chart matches Joan of Arc's far more closely then his or Elvis for pete's sake, is a fellow Cappy as is Richard Nixon, lol:innocent:

I see too, that Lachesis is becoming more and more worthy of observation for me, "cutting off a life deliberately), in these aggressor's charts lately I'm noticing, moreso then Moira or Atropos, it seems Lachesis is activated in many.

In this person's case, it's conjunct FACIES, and we know how ruthless that star can be.:seeya:


added: case in point,just the other day, Mona L. said to have burned little Jonathan effectively ending his life and choosing the day, when
TR Atropos stationed over her natal Lachesis both 15Scorpio (within 40 min.)

justaparent
01-03-2011, 12:50 PM
[QUOTE=Leomoon80;5901821]A strange case (see background on the Case Requests)
of a husband and wife, leaving a party driving home, hit a utility pole in the ice and snow, causing the immediate death of the husband.
Wife wanders off in a probable disoriented mental state as the car was wrecked.


It appears they might have (probably have) found Tanya Shannon's body. Sorry if this is not the place for that:

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2011/01/lasalle-county-missing-woman-tanya-shannon.html
Authorities in LaSalle County have found the body of Tanya Shannon, a mother of four who went missing nearly a month ago after a crash that killed her husband.

The body was found about 9:21 a.m. near the intersection of North 20th and East 27th roads in a rural area of unincorporated Brookfield Township, said LaSalle County Sheriff Tom Templeton. That was about three-quarters of a mile southeast of where the crash occurred, officials said.

The clothing found on the body -- a red dress and gray hooded jacket -- matched what Shannon was last seen wearing and her purse was found close by, he said.

Leomoon80
01-03-2011, 07:44 PM
last seen on 28 DEC 10 at 1330 hrs.

TR NN and Mercury over her natal Lachesis when she went missing from this Pikesville neighborhood in N.W. Baltimore City.

Both TR Sun and Pluto although a ways from a conjunction to her natal Stellium planets beginning with Mars, do create a square aspect to Transiting Uranus (abductor or strange and unexpected occurrence) which is now at 0degree Aries, a critical or crisis degree and opposes her natal Zeus exact degree at 0Libra.

Natal without the time of her birth:

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3674/phyliciabarnesmissing16.gif
Asteroid Melpomene, (a Tragedy) does conjunct her natal North Node within 2 degrees, quincunx to TR Jupiter and the Black Moon.

TR Mars is squaring Natal Hades and Kronos – and forming a square to TR Cupido and Mercury which may suggest a sexual motive by force.

Saturn, the planet of woe and karma, does seem to be the trigger here that is activating her critical Juno square Mercury square Moon and even square by association, asteroid Moira.Lachesis is transiting at 23Aquarius, coming up to her natal Saturn, and Transiting Neptune hits her Saturn smack on, suggesting she was double crossed, or lied to, perhaps trusting when she should not have someone. TR Hades is opposing TR Pluto and the Sun on that day, the 28th when last seen.
That would not be good for vitality and life.


Now, the question is, who took her by force? Pluto is force, and Hades is up to no good.
Has anyone gotten any further with the information I posted with a link from WJZ TV reports that she had contacted a Shelter and that the Shelter person contacted the police who came to get her?
What’s up with this??

boxerlovermom
01-03-2011, 08:59 PM
Thanks for the chart Leomoon. I posted a link in an earlier post ( in case requests ) to some recent news stories on Phylicia, which state that the report about the shelter was false and that it was a case of mistaken identity by a shelter worker. Still not sure what to think about that though. I am very concerned for this girl's safety. I was honestly hoping that the shelter story was true and that maybe she had just run away. Is there anything in the chart to support a run away theory?

Leomoon80
01-03-2011, 10:31 PM
Thanks for the chart Leomoon. I posted a link in an earlier post ( in case requests ) to some recent news stories on Phylicia, which state that the report about the shelter was false and that it was a case of mistaken identity by a shelter worker. Still not sure what to think about that though. I am very concerned for this girl's safety. I was honestly hoping that the shelter story was true and that maybe she had just run away. Is there anything in the chart to support a run away theory?

I just noticed that TR Vesta is over her natal Pallas (shades of sexuality and attraction) and that Vesta is transiting conjunct fixed star "Fomalhaut" which we have seen before in the children's charts missing over the summertime in Az.
Two of them, Sylar and the other child the same week nearby. There have been many others too, I'll need to check who they were and post here later when I do.

Fomalhaut a Royal Persian Star - means, "An immortal name" and often can be seen to bring about events that puts a person in the news media or newspaper in some way in this century. Thousands of years ago the ancients noticed that when Fomalhaut was prominent, it meant "An Immortal name" in their midst.

We just hope of course today, it is not a name in infamy (like Sylar and the other children) but rather in finding someone after they go missing for awhile so a temporary time in the newspapers or media.

Look opposite this place in Pisces over to Virgo. You will see she has Chiron (inner wound) 8.55 degrees Virgo (the critical degree referred to sometimes as the "body in the ditch" degree) and it conjoins asteroid "Hopi" (ambushed)
This IS her natal chart.
And IF this actually happened to her, we might call it a "natal promise" that occurred when the transits were right to bring about and complete the promise.


Oftentimes however, we can read these symbols incorrectly, that's not hard to do actually, as astrology is a symbolic art subject to biased interpretation and that is what I meant earlier when I posted about Ascendents.

Not to say "this one or that one " is biased, that was not my intent at all. Just to objectively point out that it's easy to get lost in the symbology of it all, and we need to constantly be double checking our objectivity.

For instance, should "Hopi" or the conj. to Chiron in the "Body in the Ditch" degree be taken literally?

Sometimes it proves to be exactly so, other times, not so sure.

I'll post the Event chart to help along in the objectivity.

Leomoon80
01-03-2011, 11:14 PM
No, it doesn't appear at all to be a runaway case Boxermom.
Sadly.

Each chart we create we can add new and interesting data to see what comes up.
Some use the Arabic Lots and I seldom do. But I may later on in this case.

For now I’ll show you two variations of the “Last Seen chart” and in this 2nd one, I’ll insert the TNPs in only one of them.


In this case we are seeing Kronos & Hades in the 2nd
and 3rd, the “near future” is Hades 29th degree and Kronos in the 3rd house not sure, but very close to the apt. she was in.

Vulcanus (like it sounds) often said to be likened to Pluto is very destructive (like a volcano) and here it falls on the I/C cusp in the 4th house conjunct the cusp. This “appears to me for now” to say, “close to home” or where she was in Pikesville, outskirts

Baltimore City (north) and generally speaking can be a rough neighborhood. There are malls nearby. And she said (reportedly) she was hungry, and was leaving to get some food.

IF this was the case, you’d think we would see something in the 5th of self-indulgence, recreation, but we do not.

We see only Hopi meaning “ambush”

All those many planets in the 6th house.
Zeus (overpowering) conjunct Moon (the event co-ruler) same degree and within minutes.

Next, Saturn and the Vertex in this house.


Apollon means many. Meaning more then one of anything. Perhaps I should not have inserted the TNPs after all (see what I mean by we can confuse our symbology sometimes by our choices) it appears to be saying there are more then one here. Sometimes as I often take on these cases by myself, I do stick my neck out a bit too much "me thinks",
but yet I hate when a request goes unanswered and someone is missing, so I make the attempt regardless.:innocent: I know what it's like when your child is missing.
I'd rather take the chance and do something, and be wrong then, if the other choice is doing nothing. So forgive me if I am wrong in the end. I don't claim perfection here.

Venus ruler of the Chart in the 7th house of the other. Venus is nearing the 21st of Scorpio, a “Definite Loss” degree.
Venus conjuncts Atropos, so I don’t like it here. It’s too frightening actually.

As I move to the 8th house I know I don’t like it for certain, as we see Mercury the ruler of the 6th of decision making, in this house perhaps the killer conjunct Cupido and Vesta.
Then there is also the North Node (fate) and Lachesis in the same degree within minutes, and Lachesis decides the moment to die.
Pallas is here too, (premeditation?)

Part of Fortune in 21Aquarius, squares Venus the Ruler of the Chart or the young woman in question and also is semi-square to the Sun (possibly the event itself) found in the 9th between Mars & Pluto
Death and destruction to the physical body, is how it appears thus far.

Asteroids Astrae (a witness) and Persophone (abduction) in the 12th. Take that as you may……sounds to me to be literal.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3674/phyliciabarnesmissing16.gif

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1336/phyliciabarneslastseenc.gif

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3830/lastseenbyhalfsistersbf.gif

Tuba
01-04-2011, 12:55 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/GARETHWILLIAMS-Tubachart.jpg

This case has caused consternation and bafflement and a buzz that will not quit. The young mathematician and code expert's life was snuffed out in a silent but sordid manner, his nude body folded and stuffed into a 32" sports bag that was then padlocked. He was about to take up a foreign undercover assignment. On 11 August, he returned from the U.S. where he conferred with our security agents. He was captured on CCTV on the 14th and 15th while shopping in London but he lived the secret, private life of a spy so there was no one to question, no one outside of M16 who would know his whereabouts and they did not. Thus, the police were called in to try the residence.

Note the extremely tight Moon-Mercury quincunx; Gareth Williams owed no one money. The Sun is also quincunx Uranus and Jupiter and there will be a Full Moon this month that fills the other arm of a YOD, the Sun making a sextile with Jupiter-Uranus here. This is the crossroads leading into February's inquest. When Neptune adds his reaction point opposite this August Sun, as he enters Pisces, the pieces all fall into place.

Tuba
01-04-2011, 03:38 PM
Welcome back, Soulscape and Happy New Year!

boxerlovermom
01-04-2011, 04:10 PM
Thank you for all your efforts Leomoon. I take it from your charts, that Phylicia is likely not still alive? Is that a correct interpretation? The latest news release, which I have snipped from below, has some troubling information about the sister Phylicia was staying with and the things going on in that apartment. Is there anything in the chart to indicate whether her abductor was someone she knew or a stranger? Phylicia is such a beautiful young girl. It is not hard to imagine the awful things that could have happened, if the information about dozens of men coming and going in that apartment is true. Being from a rural area, she probably was very naïve about the potential for very real danger.

Sallis [Phylicia's mother] says she just found out that her Phylicia Barnes’ sister created a bad environment for Barnes at her apartment, where she was staying.

Sallis says there was not only lots of alcohol and marijuana, but also men — more than a dozen of them — coming in and out of the apartment.
“You allowed her to drink. And you drank vodka with her. You’re 28 and she’s 16-years-old. And then I find out that you’re allowing her to smoke marijuana,” said Sallis.

Sallis said her daughter was uneasy around one of the men.
“She’s a country girl. She doesn’t know anything about hard city life,” said Sallis.

Baltimore City Police say they are worried about what happened to her.

“I have to tell you that we have very serious concerns now into several days,” said Police Commissioner Fred Bealefeld.

“She would’ve used her cell phone at least once and that hasn’t been the case,” said Anthony Guglielmi, Baltimore City Police spokesperson.

Baltimore City Police have served a search warrant at the apartment of the missing teen’s sister on Eberle Drive in Northwest Baltimore. It’s not clear what they were looking for. They still do not have any suspects or even a person of interest yet.

City Police have two teams of detectives searching for Barnes. They have used dogs and their chopper. They’ve also sent text messages to 25,000 people in Baltimore and are pressing the national media for attention. The FBI is also now part of the search for the missing teen.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/01/04/missing-teen-may-have-been-given-vodka-and-marijuana/

Leomoon80
01-04-2011, 09:17 PM
Note the extremely tight Moon-Mercury quincunx; Gareth Williams owed no one money. The Sun is also quincunx Uranus and Jupiter and there will be a Full Moon this month that fills the other arm of a YOD, the Sun making a sextile with Jupiter-Uranus here. This is the crossroads leading into February's inquest. When Neptune adds his reaction point opposite this August Sun, as he enters Pisces, the pieces all fall into place.


I haven't had a chance to take a peek at his natal chart yet, but here is the information.

Seems he was into some kinky type of sexual dramas and clubs and those people seen leaving may have been involved with him in this manner.

Bondage, etc. According to info. on his computer and what the police gathered.

---------------------------
snipped:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12059910

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-11088254


A press release from the Metropolitan Police today...
OFFICERS from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command investigating the circumstances into the death of Gareth Williams (date of birth 26.09.78) in August continue to appeal for information.

Police have issued two e-fits of a man and a woman they wish to speak with in connection with the enquiry.
They are described as of Mediterranean appearance, aged between 20-30 years-old.

Police would also like to hear from anyone who met Gareth on a visit he made to a drag cabaret - 'Bistroteque' in Mile End on 13 August 2010. Gareth had bought tickets for two other shows at the same venue. They also want to speak to anyone who saw Gareth in May 2010, at the 'Barcode' gay bar in Vauxhall, south London, when there was an unconfirmed sighting of him

The Press Association give this a strange spin...

Spy may have died at hands of sex partner
(UKPA) -

MI6 spy Gareth Williams may have died at the hands of a mystery bondage sex partner he met on London's gay scene, detectives suggested.

Investigators said the 31-year-old codebreaker was immersed in the capital's thriving gay nightlife and had repeatedly visited extreme bondage websites. He also had a secret passion for fashion and hoarded unworn women's designer clothes worth £15,000 in his wardrobe alongside several wigs.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jEjVxz0bRmqXKhKtTgj9lWlFT_vw?docId=B23569512 93042434A00

Leomoon80
01-04-2011, 09:49 PM
BoxerMom: post 121 is outlined what I think and yes, I think they overpowered her (Mars and Pluto with the Sun semi-square to the chart's ruler Venus).

This is a very notorious part of the city for drug dealers, and to tell the truth there isn't much there in Baltimore that isn't saturated with drugs and dealers.
It certainly is no place for a rural or naive 16yr. old girl, and I'm very surprised her mother didn't know this ahead of time.


She was supposedly visiting her father in the city there, and this is his 2nd family I presume.

What is it the disciple of Jesus said about the town where Jesus grew up?

Nazareth!" exclaimed Nathanael. "Can anything good come from Nazareth?"

Well that's how I feel about Baltimore quite frankly.

Her mom let her go there likely thinking she had a cell phone, I suppose, and was in good hands with the father's attendance.

Unfortunatley we know too late, that wasn't so.

Leomoon80
01-04-2011, 10:53 PM
Amy Bradley disappeared from a Cruise Ship with parents

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/amy-bradley

Here is a timeline of events including a few photos:
http://www.amybradley.net/updates.htm

Background: (early morning hours? Last Seen with no time given )
It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter).

Furthermore from MySpace a quote taken from the Dr. PHil show that Ivy (Amy's mom) was on says in part:


"There was a bass player who I noticed. And he was a very unsavory looking character. Amy told her brother, Brad, that the bass player had been hitting on her. She said that he was a real jerk." Iva continues, "At about 1:00, Ron and I decided to go to bed. Some time between 5:15 and 5:30 my husband woke up and he saw Amy asleep on the deck. And about a half an hour later, at 6:00 a.m., he woke back up. He saw that Amy was no longer on the balcony." "I immediately thought that she was up on the top deck," says Ron, "and so I left to try and go up and find her. When I couldn't find her

See TR Pluto (destruction and transformation ) stations exactly over natal Neptune (deluded or confused, could also be saying "fooled by someone) conj. Violent star “Antares” in Tropical Sagittarius, and TR Atropos conj. “Algol”, (death)



The old axiom “The natal doesn’t bring what the natal doesn’t promise to you” holds true here as with all.

In her natal map, Amy had Mars square Pluto and Pluto square Saturn . These are the 3 primary
Malefics and all 3 in harsh aspect to each other when she was born.

I don’t think that Amy is alive and being used in the sex trade as has often been suggested over the many years now.

However, I will check further and see what I can when I have the time, unless others wish to do so and post on this baffling case.

This natal chart is for the Sunrise on the day she was born, and the houses are to be ignored:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9485/amybradleycruiseshipdis.gif

Leomoon80
01-04-2011, 11:24 PM
At this point in time, Amy was already in the hands of others (11th house Neptune ruler of this chart 1 degree AQ, conjunct Altair, moved quickly by the group. Persophone (asteroid for kidnap) conjuncts both Neptune and Uranus (unexpected) event. The Moon (co-ruler of this chart) is within minutes of Uranus and also conjunct Venus in Aquarius.

Amy is held captive (12th house of imprisonment) however, there is no luck for her at all, even with Jupiter on the Ascendent. Jupiter (other chart ruler) squares Pluto and opposes the NN conjunct the South Node.

Toro (brutality,rage,violence, martial arts) completely overtakes her (1st house) conjunct the Sun (the event itself) with Astrea (the witness) here, there was more then one person.

Ceres (the wound) shows no mercy in Aries conjunct Mars in the maximum 15th degree and opposes the Black Moon Lilith, in the murder degree at 11Libra conj. Vindiamiatrix in the 7th house of others.

It appears to me that this chart is showing her being held captive by a group probably in a cabin alive yet very near death or gone by this time.

The decision was made (Chiron at the evil degree 18.30 Scorpio) to rape and then use and discard her (Pluto conjunct Violent star Antares in the 9th square the Node and square Jupiter original ruler of Pisces and this chart's ruler

I don’t think she made it off this ship other then overboard or whatever other method they had to dispose of her body.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2482/amybradleydisappearance.gif

Tuba
01-05-2011, 12:15 AM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/JohnWheelerIIIDumpedatDelawareLandfill001.jpg

In what ways does the Last Seen horoscope help us solve the mystery of this prominent national defense consultant's disappearance and death by homicide? The Houses 3 and 4 must be read together as they bear the same Leo Sign. The event Sun is based upon those two areas of life. He had, from what we know, made the commute from D.C. to Delaware by train; he lives in New Castle, so he also made the trip to his lawyer's office in Wilmington. Or I suspect he did because Marin's office is two blocks from the Du Pont Hotel where the victim was last seen. This House 3 trip led to his demise, House 4.

Although his body was dumped from a refuse truck in broad daylight, there was secrecy in how he met his end because House 4 holds an intercept, Virgo. Although Mr. Wheeler was a public figure and well known with a fine reputation, there is one with a higher profile and more stick, Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the Pisces House 10 intercept, who wanted him doused and this directive was covert. (The intercept) Against this unseen threat, Wheeler was an unfortified Mercury in exile, Sagittarius, away from his own people, in an uncongenial environment and unable to act in his own name up against the powerful duo of Jupiter in dignity by Sign and angular House, able to call the shots and put the cross on anyone they chose. By now, we know Uranus breaks the law at the drop of a hint and Saturn squared by Mars forgets his Libran upbringing. Of course, it is clear Mercury is square Uranus-Jupiter; Mars square Saturn is the manner of death.

The Point of Fatality is intercepted in House 4 at 5°07' Virgo, as noted in the right margin of the chart. Interesting that Pluto is exactly trine from the House of adversaries. Pluto, too had a hand in this because he is conjunct the north node of the Moon, Wheeler's associates, and opposite a point of personal loss in House 1 of the self. As stressed in past charts, when II rises, due to the arithmetic of the Part of Peril, the part is always found on the rising degree. Therefore, even as he stood by the hotel, he was already a marked man.

Tuba
01-05-2011, 08:30 PM
To follow up, a parking lot attendant talked to the victim the day before his Last Seen. He was wobbly and carrying one of his shoes, freezing cold and unsure of his car's location. He told the attendant he was not drunk. She also thought he looked roughed up. He did ask if he could get warm inside, where surveillance video captured him and I believe this encounter is the Mercury to Mars semi-sextile that occurred before Last Seen. Mars does rule the House of valets and attendants, 6.

The Moon had not yet touched Venus and those planets are not the attendant. But after he was seen next to the Du Pont, he did have contact with Venus & I don't want to understate her importance. Not only was she square the Part of Death, but the midpoint of Venus and Neptune is the Sun! Further, the Part of Deceit & Trickery of Men by Women, a formula which in no way includes the planet Neptune, is found at 26°33' Leo and that is opposite Neptune. The cash & money House, 2 is involved here too because the Moon rules that and both Moon and Venus are in the House of services and in Scorpio. From the position of the Sun, it seems he was waiting because he was to meet her at the hotel entrance. Although the chart in no way taps her as his killer, her presence facilitated the crime.

From the first reports, there are floorboards pried up in the living room of his house in New Castle, rung round with yellow tape. The Part of Secrets does fall in the Fourth House intercept at 1°59' Virgo but is not making significant aspects to the Last Seen and the factors leading to his death. He may well have been in possession of classified material because House 2 is important here and was eclipsed. The Part of Death is after all in House 3 and the Sign of documents rises.

Leomoon80
01-05-2011, 09:34 PM
I've had the time to look at his natal chart and this is what I've found:

Natal Venus in Scorpio (in Detriment) with Mars strong in it’s own sign of Rulership
The day he was last seen in London, 2 days after his evening at a “Drag Cabaret” on the 13th of August – is probably by transit marking his demise as
TR Lachesis is stationed over his natal Uranus within minutes of being exact

TR Vulcanus is over his Natal Moon and the Moon the day of his birth, may (If born anywhere near Noontime,) conj. Procyon: (note: his natal Moon is square to Mars)

“Linked with positive stellar bodies, success is made greater, but the native, in order to avoid a fiasco, has always to take care not to be imprudent. Especially dangerous is Procyon configured with Mars and Pluto. With the Sun, a valiant demeanor is indicated.” [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.43.]

Transiting Mercury is very critical this day at 17 degrees Virgo (mutable) and direct motion conjunct his own natal Zeus at this degree. Something else I find interesting is that TR Moira conj. “Regulus” at 0Virgo while his natal Moira is conj. Regulus at 27deg.59min.Leo (promise of a fall)

Was it the Transit of Pluto rx back and forth trining this area of Regulus that brought about the fated fall? Or the Moon this day transiting over Cupid and therefore, creating a potential sextile to this area

Looking further at his next Solar Return (sans the houses)
since we do not have the time of his birth:

Coming upon the 2010 Solar Return birthdate of September 26, 1978:(which obviously killed in late August he didn't make)

In his 2010 Natal Solar Return (had he had it done just prior to the death on his last birthday ), he would have been told to be careful, as he had S/R Venus conjunct his natal Uranus & Venus (which was already in a critical degree in Scorpio) and therefore, a transit on the S/R at near 11Scorpio, conjuncts fixed star Crux (a cross or burden to bear) doesn’t auger well to start off the new Solar Year in one's social or love life.

Transiting Admetos (TNP is stationed over his natal Hades at 28 deg.Taurus in the S/R for 2010
(had he lived) with the Transit of Vulcanus over his natal BML, all worthy of being warned to be careful of where and who he solicits as friendships.

With TR Saturn over his natal Apollon in the same degree or 7Libra conjunct to Thuban in Draco, he would have been warned further that
This position is a warning to him of others (in the plural, as it’s Apollon) and Saturn is often serious in the delivery of it's lessons

Draco gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends but danger of robbery and of accidental poisoning. It was said by the Ancients that when a comet was here poison was scattered over the world.

By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Mem and the 13th Tarot Trump "Death." [Robson*, p.43.]


Unfortunately in this case and in retrospect, we don’t have his D/C cusp to wonder about, except aloud when it comes to this warning seen on “The Constellation of Words”

“If setting and if Mars is conjunct the descendant or in harsh aspect with it, it is said to presage the native being burned in his own house or killed by public execution”. [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.6.]

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Leomoon80
01-07-2011, 01:03 PM
Dennis Hancock:
missing 12/14/10 Roanoke, VA
Last Seen @10PM

Until we have his DOB there is nothing much more to say, at least from my end of the reading.
Perhaps someone else will pick it up for you and comment.


Looking at the Last Seen, we see POF in the same degree as the Moon in the 8th of death. Moon is the co-ruler of the event chart (any event chart)
Supposedly, they say on Forensic Ast. that the POF (fate) with the same degree as the Moon is an indicator of death or fated.
I don't like the Algol MC that is worrisome for him.
I put Anubis (asteroid for suicide) #1912 into the chart and see it is conjunct the MC and opposed to the 4th (endings house)
so that doesn't fare well for the ending of this man.
The Sun which rules the event or the man is in the 4th conj. Pallas (pre-meditation) in the 5th of recreation ........
and/or lovers.
I see that Neptune sits on the cusp of the 7th, (the house of others)...
As a matter of fact, Neptune, Chiron and the D/C cusp are ALLin the same degree all only minutes apart.

Did he meet up with someone that fooled him ultimately is the question in my mind.

Leomoon80
01-07-2011, 04:31 PM
The Ruler of this chart Saturn on the Moon’s Day a Monday is seen in the 9th house of education and it was at school, that this young girl was last seen going into the High school this day however she did not show up for
the 1st period .

The question is, did she go willingly with someone, or not?
Photos can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Hope-Calhoun-and-Alex-Qualls-Missing-from-Virginia/171174516256947

There is also an 18 yr. old boy, a friend of her's involved according to the missing person’s link whose company she may be in being mentioned. I’ve looked up the age of majority in the State of Va. And it is 18 yrs. old.
(States by alphabetical order for age of majority):
http://contests.about.com/od/sweepstakes101/a/agemajoristate.htm

The TNP Admetos, always a stranglehold on a person it is said, appears in the 4th conj. “Algol” and opposes Venus, the Ruler of the 5th of the child , thus Hope is represented by Venus.


All in all, after reading and considering the Myth of Demeter, Hades and Persephone in this link, I have come to the conclusion that the planets are showing that she is indeed in some danger with the boy who is legally considered an adult in this State,

as Venus is square to Neptune, opposed to Admetos (a long standing problem she felt at home) conjunct Algol, and may be acting out inappropriately with the one who is holding her hostage in particular perhaps body and her mind in the house of captivity or (12th house Mercury, Pallas (pre-meditated event) Moon (co-ruler of the chart) Pluto (Hades in Greek mythology) and the South Node posited in the 6th conj. Kronos & Hades in a critical degree.


The mythology which today is invoked in this drama unfolding, is the one of Demeter, Persephone and Hades which can be read here in which the astrologer suggests that the two better known writer/ astrologers who write authoritatively on these asteroids, (Demetra George and Liz Green) have taken the meaning of these asteroids, in a more narrow light when they suggest that Persephone colludes in her own kidnapping.

note: other more familiar names for these archetypes are Demeter (Ceres) Persephone (the daughter of Demeter) and Hades (Pluto)

Scroll down to: "A closer look at the Demeter-Persephone-Hades myth"http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/CandyDeconstruction.html

Perhaps the writer is correct in her deeper look at these myths in Astrology which we base our Archetypes upon. Certainly worth pondering. :waitasec:


The connection here to this young man, seen by the cusp of the 5th house , is not a healthy one and the young woman therefore, is not of her own mind to be with him as a minor in this case whether she went willingly or by force. The force often can be subtle force but still forceful in the subtle way it is delivered.
As usual, we can see more if we have the date of birth of both of these people mentioned in the Report.

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ETA: add'l info.
http://www.wcyb.com/news/26367934/detail.html
School Resource Officer Andy Jones says, "She had someone call the school, pretend to be her father saying she had a doctors appointment."
Jones believes Calhoun left school before first period and got into the car with her boyfriend, 18 year old Alex Qualls.

Hope's mom, Angie Calhoun didn't know anything was out of the ordinary until later Monday, when she got a text message from her daughter Hope.
Angie Calhoun says, "She was apologizing, wanting her little sister to be taken care of, Alyssa. It was sort of like a goodbye see you some day."

Tuba
01-07-2011, 08:54 PM
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Later video surveillance footage has surfaced, showing John ambling through the ninth and eleventh floors of a Wilmington office building at 8:30 p.m. the night police say he died. They also have ascertained the manner of death but are holding that close at this time.

The Mercury who served as John's significator in the earlier chart is still crucial in this later CCTV; it is very close to antiscion of the Sun which here takes over as ASC ruler. Furthermore, the Sun on the night he was killed was conjunct John's natal Mercury and opposite his natal Saturn, both afflicted by 6° Neptune in Libra at birth.

Venus is on Sepharial's degree of "Dissipation" and the Sabian symbol is of like nature. Unfortunately this woman who was on the scene remains in the shadows. She and slippery Neptune at the DSC make an unsavory pair. John has been accused of setting a smoke bomb or two off at the real property of the Marini neighbors with whom he is in legal dispute. If he did this, it was done shortly before he went to Wilmington from his home in New Castle. Reports persist that his house was the scene of loud t.v. and/or radio for days before he arrived home although other family members were also gone. And we do know about the pried floor boards. Note that on House 12 of crisis which bears the Sign Cancer of realty & home, Vulkanus conjoins the cusp: extreme force, might and power which corresponds with the continuous blaring audio heard by neighbors.

Leomoon80
01-08-2011, 11:38 PM
cont'd:
http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/jan/04/parents-of-missing-scott-county-girl-spe-24199-vi-23314/



I found Hope's natal information (no time of birth)

DOB: November 11, 1994

http://xrl.us/bid7rr (Link to www.missingkids.com)


South Node conjunct Pallas (premeditation) [U]conjunct “Persephone”

from the above posted link in prior post:

“A closer look at the Demeter-Persephone-Hades Myth” In the author’s opinion, she suggests that the abducted female in some psychological way, envisioned the abduction as part of her entry into maturity"

It does therefore, appear that this IS the case as Fifth Essence has written of the telephone call.


With a natal chart of mostly (90%) Fixed Signs, (Scorpio- Leo)and many water signs this is a young woman who knows her own mind, (or thinks so), is a “fixed minded person” who has decided her fate belongs with the boy she disappeared with. With her Moon in Pisces no doubt she is also quite weepy concerning her little sister and she did call or text and got a message to her parents that she is okay and will see them again someday.


Little solace for the parents, but at least it is something to know she is okay and of her own volition, often the case with such a heavy natal of Scorpio fixed mindset.

Leomoon80
01-09-2011, 02:56 PM
natal chart for Jared L.
2 Quincunx (please pay attention to the broken green lines in his natal map with the planets that are involved as outlined below in my text)


Mars quincunx Pluto a health aspect that shows where the stress will have to ‘give” eventually when it finally comes out. Two malefics in such stressful aspect to each other, and Mars in the sign of it’s Ruler Aries so very strongly felt and exerted.


Jupiter is another in peril in his natal chart.
Both in detriment in the sign of Gemini and Quincunx to Neptune is a position that may reflect his growing schizophrenic behaviors they spoke about on TV News tonight.

His My Space,You Tube and other reaching out he was doing but in the most inappropriate and violent manner. His My Space said, he wanted a Police Officer and was taken down.


Jupiter is about expansion but again, in Detriment for this young man, and Neptune often more then not, undermines as it did for him.

He tried to join the military Army in 2008 but was turned down after being tested. The Army will not say why they turned him down.

You can see the 2 Quincunx aspects I point to by following the broken green lines between those planets.
It’s a shame but a harsh reality in our society that the mentally disturbed individuals even when seen by their loved ones and families, as such often stay either in denial or turn their heads and “hope” they outgrow their state of mind. And as this case shows, seldom does this happen without much intervention by the medical community first.
I reflect today on the sad state of this country, both the hate and anger as well as despair by those without the proper health care available to them, such as this young man’s overall condition.

He was turned away from not only the Army in 2008, but also from his local Community College (thrown out) and told he needed to get a mental health evaluation.
This would not have been the case in the U.K. I don’t think. There is help available and free health care for all, including those with psychological issues such as he had.
But then again, someone in his family or loved ones would have to have initiated it in his behalf even in Europe .

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Leomoon80
01-09-2011, 03:35 PM
My chart when the information came onto my local news put the timing at 10AM, so that is the chart I erected (not having a 10:10timed chart to share):

Fomalhaut at 3Pisces - fixed star of Persian Royalty is rising for an “Immortal Name” to be remembered from this shooting event.

The shooter is on record (his MySpace) saying he wanted his name remembered!

The Moon is conj. The ASC and square the IC or the Moon’s rightful house, 4th Hs.


This shows the tragedy itself as being monumental, as 12 were shot in all , 6 killed including a 9 year old child.

The 5th house of children is ruled by the Moon. The shooter indicated by the ruler of the 7th house is Mercury and he planned this shooting well in advance (Pallas conj. Lachesis and conj. Fixed star FACIES quite ruthless) at 7Capricorn36min. Pallas Athena indicates advanced planning or pre-meditation.

Pallas also conjuncts Pluto at 5Capricorn with Lachesis, (choosing the time of the deaths) in between the two, the asteroid and the planet.

The Ruler of the shooter is Mercury square Jupiter Uranus and the Black Moon.

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Leomoon80
01-09-2011, 04:44 PM
Natal for Christina: (no time of birth known now, although there is a book about the children who were born on 9-11-2001, and she is one of 40 listed in that book, so perhaps someone will find it there) someday.

Little Christina Green shared with her killer these positions exactly (as to sign and degree)

Sun in 18Virgo

Mercury in 14Libra

A Quincunx with Jupiter (but in her case, it's Jupiter quincunx to Pluto (destruction)

She also had:
Sun square Saturn) Sun square Pluto
Is not an omen, but a very harsh position for the Sun bringing about potential for tragedy

Her natal Mars was not only exalted (strong) for asserting herself, as she did in school participation and in so many other ways, but was unfortunately afflicted too for it fell in the 0-1 degree of a Cardinal sign which points to a critical beginning. Mars opposed the Moon and opposed the North Node.

We can also realize that these same positions of Mars were likewise, the ones for 9-11 for the country.

Same with the Quincunx to Jupiter!

When Christina was taken away, she had Transiting Lachesis with Pluto conjunct her natal
South Node, usually seen as a fated time for some type of event that will be meaningful when the Nodes are involved.

For Christina, the Transiting NN at 2Capricorn may have been a trigger to that very critical Mars in Capricorn to reflect the passing from this life into the next.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5031/screenshot006wz.jpg

nervous_nellie
01-09-2011, 05:08 PM
thanx! leomoon :) and HAPPY BIRTHDAY too!!

do you have any thoughts in regard to the shared placements between victim and killer?

boxerlovermom
01-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Natal for Christina: (no time of birth known now, although there is a book about the children who were born on 9-11-2001, and she is one of 40 listed in that book, so perhaps someone will find it there) someday.

Little Christina Green shared with her killer these positions exactly (as to sign and degree)

Sun in 18Virgo

Mercury in 14Libra

A Quincunx with Jupiter (but in her case, it's Jupiter quincunx to Pluto (destruction)

She also had:
Sun square Saturn) Sun square Pluto
Is not an omen, but a very harsh position for the Sun bringing about potential for tragedy

Her natal Mars was not only exalted (strong) for asserting herself, as she did in school participation and in so many other ways, but was unfortunately afflicted too for it fell in the 0-1 degree of a Cardinal sign which points to a critical beginning. Mars opposed the Moon and opposed the North Node.

We can also realize that these same positions of Mars were likewise, the ones for 9-11 for the country.

Same with the Quincunx to Jupiter!

When Christina was taken away, she had Transiting Lachesis with Pluto conjunct her natal
South Node, usually seen as a fated time for some type of event that will be meaningful when the Nodes are involved.

For Christina, the Transiting NN at 2Capricorn may have been a trigger to that very critical Mars in Capricorn to reflect the passing from this life into the next.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5031/screenshot006wz.jpg

Thanks for posting this chart Leomoon. As soon as I saw that little Christina's birthday was 9/11, I wondered about her natal chart. I also happen to have a 9/11 birthday with natal sun at 18Virgo. Thought that was interesting and a little eerie.

Leomoon80
01-09-2011, 10:04 PM
boxermom: You were born on a historical date, only yours preceeds the history of this country's trauma. I'm sure that everyone now remembers your birthday who may have gotten it confused before 9-11.

NervousNellie:

I do believe in synchonocity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

And so, I erected the synastry chart between Christina Green and Jared, her neighbor in Tucson within only miles.

They were in the same time and the same place put together weren't they?

Sometimes the synchronocity isn't readily seen nor understood I'm sure. How can we understand such an event as this one.

Here is what I found however in the chart (synastry) without the times of birth for both of them:

Jared's Sun & Mercury is 18 Virgo, 14Libra the same sign and degree as Christina's Sun & Mercury

Jared’s Chiron is 6Cancer exactly conj. Gabrielle’s natal Mercury at 6 degrees Cancer

Christina’s No.Node of the Moon is 3 Cancer conjunct Jared's Chiron and G.Gifford’s Mercury with Mercury the ruler of Gifford's own Sun sign in Gemini

His South Node (connection to ( past) or fate) conjuncts his own BML and Christina’s Moira (her fate)

The Child’s Chiron (inner wound) is conjunct his Saturn & Uranus ( symbols of karma & erratic behaviors)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/705/screenshot007zi.jpg

Leomoon80
01-10-2011, 01:20 AM
Sorry, I posted the wrong date (year) and will put the corrected Natal Chart here for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords: Her Sun remains in a critical degree of a mutable sign, yet does conjunct a fortunate Fixed Star (see Rigel) so more of a "mixed blessing" I suppose.
Rigel is said to be of the nature of Saturn & Jupiter. A mixed bag of blessings when dedicated to hard work, which she certainly was in her job.


North Node 5deg. 58min. Pisces is quincunx to Uranus (harsh health aspect) while Uranus squares Mars and Mars is square to Pluto. (Physical body may face consequences of harshness of Pluto to transform) such as this terrible event in which she is still battling for her life.


We can see TR. asteroid BAM over her natal Uranus in this corrected chart, and Venus transits over her natal Neptune.

With a natal T Square of Mars, Uranus and Chiron may have been triggered by Transiting Pluto activating that natal promise.

The Congresswoman has her Sun conjunct RIGEL a fixed star known for riches and success in life with effort expended.

Actually, it is said that those with Rigel in a prominent place, will not have their riches taken away from them, it’s life long and staying for monetary successes.

Let's hope that her physical recovery will be as fortunate for her.

Oprah is one for instance, the other I can think of was Michael Jackson. It is also said that those with Rigel in the natal prominent, will “stay on top” and have “lasting success accompanied by hard work and continued application and anxiety”


Jackie Onnasis has the cusp of her 8th house of “other’s assets” and Inheritances conjunct this star while Athena Onassis (daughter of the late Christina) inherited her grandfather’s massive multi Billion fortune with Rigel on the cusp of her 8th and Uranus opposite Rigel 16 deg.47min. 2nd House of assets.

It was the unexpected and sudden death of her mother that put her in this position of the only heir to the fortune and the 8th or opposite of the 2nd, is the Inheritance House.


Another that Congresswoman Giffords has Rigel in common with, in the Constellation of Orion, would be well known heir to a massive fortune, the son of Gloria Vanderbilt known as Anderson Cooper a CNN reporter with his own TV show.
All of these people are fortunate with Rigel in their natal charts at least in one area of their lives.

For Oprah it’s lucky Jupiter in her 6th house, for Anderson Cooper it’s the 9th house cusp and for Gabrielle Giffords, the Sun itself!

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FifthEssence
01-10-2011, 02:38 AM
(re: post 372 Last SEEN chart)

SAD NEWS folks. Rest in Peace Debbie.

http://www.ktnv.com/story/13807733/ex-boyfriend-of-missing-dancer-arrested-for-murder
Remains of missing dancer found, ex-boyfriend arrested

Updated: Jan 09, 2011 3:24 PM EST
LAS VEGAS, NV - An arrest was made in the case of Debbie Florez-Narvaez, the missing Las Vegas Dancer. Her body was found, and her ex-boyfriend has been charged with her murder.

also:http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20456335,00.html

Deborah1012
01-10-2011, 07:20 PM
Gabrielle Giffords, June 8, 1970. She's 15 Virgo rising natally. I did her solar return and she has a t-square. Ascendant is 27 Taurus with Mercury at 27 Taurus conjunct her first house squaring Neptune at 28 Aquarius in the 10th and Mars in 0 Virgo in the 4th. No aspects at all to a first house sun other than to North Node in 8th house. Pluto in 8th too.

Leomoon80
01-10-2011, 09:08 PM
Gabrielle Giffords, June 8, 1970. She's 15 Virgo rising natally. I did her solar return and she has a t-square. Ascendant is 27 Taurus with Mercury at 27 Taurus conjunct her first house squaring Neptune at 28 Aquarius in the 10th and Mars in 0 Virgo in the 4th. No aspects at all to a first house sun other than to North Node in 8th house. Pluto in 8th too.

Deborah:
Can you post a link for the time of birth, or tell us how this was confirmed?

I can't find it on the internet when I looked. That would be interesting if her Asc. is the same as the shooter's Sun sign.

Thanks,

Leomoon80
01-10-2011, 09:28 PM
(re: post 372 Last SEEN chart)

SAD NEWS folks. Rest in Peace Debbie.

http://www.ktnv.com/story/13807733/ex-boyfriend-of-missing-dancer-arrested-for-murder
Remains of missing dancer found, ex-boyfriend arrested

Updated: Jan 09, 2011 3:24 PM EST


Not sure why I cannot find his date of birth when various reports say he was arrested and I can find the arrest only for the date he beat Debbie (in October of 2010) on the Nevada Link: (no date of birth shown however, for October)
http://lasvegas.whosarrested.com/

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime-punishment/2011/01/blotter-0#ixzz1AgZhVYeE


UPDATE: BODY FOUND:
http://www.ktnv.com/story/13807733/ex-boyfriend-of-missing-dancer-arrested-for-murder

Dancer Deborah Flores-Narvaez's body, dismembered and packed into at least two cement-filled tubs, was left by her killer in a downtown Las Vegas home.
Flores-Narvaez' 32-year-old former boyfriend was arrested on murder charges early Saturday morning, nearly a month after she disappeared on Dec. 12. Jason "Blu" Griffith, a dancer who performs in the Cirque du Soleil show "Love" featured at The Mirage, is being held without bail, jail records show.
Detectives discovered that Griffith had purchased cement and had rented a U-Haul not long after she visited him at his North Las Vegas home on the night of Dec. 12. Financial records -- U-Haul requires a credit card -- confirmed the rental.
The U-Haul's global positioning tracking device allowed detectives to reconstruct Griffith's movements, leading them to the downtown house where they found Flores-Narvaez's remains encased in cement.

Paulette
01-11-2011, 12:50 AM
Jason "Blu" Griffith - 12-10-78 New York

http://www2.8newsnow.com/docs/griffith.pdf

Leomoon80
01-12-2011, 01:56 PM
Asteroid Bacchus (drinking alcohol) is conjunct to Mercury (mindset) and ruler of this chart found in the 3rd house of movement on foot and vehicle.

Since his vehicle was parked (wrong way on the street) and his cell phone and wallet left in this automobile, we know he was walking when last seen on camera at the Bank that evening, this chart.

The 6th Hs. of decision making, is ruled by Neptune found in the 5th of parties and self-involvement and found in the sign of Aquarius, ruled by Saturn found in house 1 conjunct the Part of Fortune for this chart (last seen) sesquare to Neptune


The Part of Fortune however in this case, unfortunate for him here, as it makes a square to the Sun , a Semi-Square to Venus (drinking is possible with Venus and especially so, with Venus found in the 25th deg.of Scorpio ) and that sesquare aspect to Neptune in the 5th house, appears to be saying with the Stellium of planets and points in the 4th including both lights, he is deceased.


Since there are no planets above the horizon, I’d say he is close to where he was last seen on Camera. With Neptune ruler of the 6th found in the 5th house, I’d surmise from this, that he was disoriented and perhaps in less of a condition, made crucial but unwise choices, (NN conj. Lachesis) and Pallas the same degree as Pluto, suggests self-will and determination towards his own ending.


However, IF we could find his date of birth, I might be inclined to see this in a different way, but so far I haven’t been able to locate any mention of the date of birth. I’m pretty certain however, he is no longer alive from the appearance this chart gives.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/524/screenshot003fs.jpg

(Part of Danger, Violence) 23Cancer17min.
(Part of Destruction) ASC +Mars-Sun = Scorpio 4 deg,50 min. conjunct Moira
And opposed to Persophone in the 8th House. (potentially kidnapped)
(PT. OF Murder ) ASC + Mars –Saturn = Capricorn 0deg.29minutes (conj. The NN in house 4)
(Part of Suicide (1) : 23Scorp14min) is midpoint of Atropos and Venus
(Part of Suicide (2): 27Libra15min) conj. 2nd hs. Cusp square Mars in the 4th

SugarQueen
01-12-2011, 03:50 PM
Zach's birthdate is August 5th I'm assuming 1977 as everything says he is 33. I got the date from his missing facebook page.

I don't really "get' most of this (you folks are amazing) so can you clarify as best as you can tell:

no one else was involved?
does it appear to be intentional suicide as aopposed to accidental?


Thank you Leo.

Leomoon80
01-12-2011, 04:20 PM
Zach's birthdate is August 5th I'm assuming 1977 as everything says he is 33. I got the date from his missing facebook page.

I don't really "get' most of this (you folks are amazing) so can you clarify as best as you can tell:

no one else was involved?
does it appear to be intentional suicide as aopposed to accidental?


Thank you Leo.

I'm not big on assumptions however, Sugarland.
I'll tell you why. Recently a young woman who was a dancer at the Luxor Casinos in Las Vegas was found brutally murdered stuffed (after dismemberment) into 2 plastic carry-alls purchased at the local Walmart store.
It turned out to be her ex b.f. whom I suspected of course all along. (Reference post 147)

However, it was reported online that she was born in 1981 when in fact the pdf recently posted here, says she was indeed born in 1979 (according to the LE ) in their affadavit for arresting him. (reference post 146)

I haven't yet gone back to her chart or her b.f.'s who is currently in jail, but intend to.

So, the time of birth should really be known and not guessed, even though it makes sense to believe it was 1977 if he just turned 33 this year.

I see you posted on "Case Requests" giving his date of birth however, as 1977, so If I see anything pertinent to compare with this last seen by video camera chart, I'll let you know.

SugarQueen
01-12-2011, 04:49 PM
Thanks Leo, the August 5, 1977 date is per the person running his facebook missing page. She responded right away, without hesitation.
I see what you mean by the date, thank you so much for the explaination.

Leomoon80
01-12-2011, 07:40 PM
I've taken 2 charts into consideration here , his natal and the last Solar Return (sans the houses, as we do not know his time of birth, and forum rules here suggest strongly we do not ask his family for it) actually one can be banned if doing so., so we will work with what we know from the media only or from Facebook for him.


In these two addt'l charts then, I can only give what I see (in consideration of not having more accurate timing of his birth placements).......and they do show us that this year (from August 2010) his last birthday and called the Solar Return chart was starting off on a rather less then desireable footing.

From the Natal (no time of birth known) ignore the houses:

note: When the chart says "Noon" it also says, "hypothetical (hyp) time of birth" giving the noon time.

Asteroid Hopi (ambush) is conjunct his natal Pallas exactly at the 22nd degree Virgo and transiting Saturn
Conjunct his North Node (fate) or karma being connected. Asteroid Lachesis (time of death) conj. Tr. NN
Within minutes and oppose natal Venus.
Transiting Neptune and Chiron between 26-27Aquarius form a square to Transiting Anubis and forms
Only a quincunx to his natal Pallas Athena (which as I said earlier, is being transited during this point in time by asteroid HOPI.
Thus, it’s possible that he was ambushed (Hopi) just after leaving the banking ATM machine, but was rather oblivious to his surroundings, always a very dangerous thing these days.


http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3812/screenshot004iq.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6088/screenshot005c.jpg

Last Solar Return (no houses known) :
For Zachary’s last Solar Return – he would have had Saturn on this birthday anniversary stationed at
the 1 degree Libra which conjoins his natal Atropos. He would have been advised then, to be particulary careful this year (depending on which house this fell into), because the 1 or (0-1) degrees of Cardinal signs are always very critical., and Saturn was conjunct on his birthday anniversary
Mars (2 Malefics combined when it's Mars with Saturn ) Over the death asteroid.

Another huge potential problem for him this year is his Solar Return Mercury was at 10Virgo23minutes
Conjoined his natal Mercury 10 degrees Virgo 15minutes, and this location is also quite critical for a death or at least a critical event in one’s life when conjunct fixed star Zosma.
Also conjunct S/R Mercury was Atropos at 8Virgo, another critical place. So all in all, he started this birthday anniversary in some measure of criticalness to the life.

The Solar Return moon was actually over his natal Mars and the Black Moon Lilith in Gemini augering some type of mental blockage going on. The shadow self being seen as the Black Moon and Gemini rules the mind.
Normally I would not include many asteroids in a Solar Return chart for a client, but in this case, since we are looking (in hindsight ) to a missing person, I see that S/R Hopi is also quite close in orb to a near exact conjunction to his natal Saturn (within one degree)……and of course, Hopi as said prior, is an asteroid that points to abductions.

Leomoon80
01-13-2011, 04:27 PM
For this 16 yr. old seen leaving her high school on this day (December 14th 2010), and "walking home"....we have her date of birth from the Missing Children sites, but not as usual, the time of birth (so please ignore the houses) for this natal chart:

I’d first look at her critical degrees or sign places in her natal chart where she’s most susceptible to harm coming her way.
With the Moon potentially very late Scorpio into Sag, (noon chart puts Antares into the mix)….stands out to me, as does Saturn (rx) at 8Pisces (conjunct fixed Star SKAT) always a troubling star to see in a natal chart, imo

http://classiclegendbooks.com/ephemeris/1994/sep.shtml


11Libra (Vindiamiatrix) another troubling star is conj. her Mercury (square to the afflicted Mars and quincunx to Saturn ) is not helping her to stay safe as also Mercury is square to Neptune and semi-square to Pluto. And although her natal Mars is Trine to Pluto, Pluto itself, is in a very critical degree considering everything else in this natal chart for certain.
Jupiter is conjunct “Crux” or ACRUX the star speaks of a terrible burden in life to bear., or
“The Cross”at 11Scorpio.


Pallas 23Taurus is too close for comfort to the more troubling stars, and Vesta is critical at 1 degree Cancer a Cardinal sign.

So, we are seeing in her natal enough of what I’d term a “pile up” of critical degrees due to certain stars and placements that I’d begin to seriously worry about her well being, even “if” she went willingly. If she did, she simply trusted wrongly the wrong person with this Mercury outlined opposing her Neptune.

Her Black Moon is conj. Persophone (abduction, but also afraid to take one’s own power, so easily hands to another, that power) is potentially a big problem, as it does conj. The shadow or the BML and Pallas Athena.

For serious danger to her, I’d note Venus in Detriment in Scorpio which is also semi-square to the Sun, the personality.

As for the transits that day she went missing – TR Saturn is square to Natal Mars (for which we should not neglect noting on her natal that Mars is also conj. To Atropos) as well, not neglect the fact that her natal Mars is “in Detriment” (not operating sufficiently for her as for the energies in this lifetime) at least not to her material benefit being weakened sufficiently as to make her vulnerable (the opposition of Mars to Uranus & Neptune ) for instance.

Her Neptune is in mutual reception to her Saturn , and probably to her detriment (as Mars is in detriment, making that opposition and the mutual exchange combines with Neptune’s ruler Pisces in mutual reception with Saturn – and conj. “SKAT”)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_reception


http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8490/screenshot004pe.jpg




Solar Return (last Birthday in September) highlights:

With SR Atropos at 24degrees Virgo 47minutes stationed over her natal Klotho at 24 degrees 25-26minutes these are extraordinary markers for serious danger for her physically.
SR Klotho is also square to her natal Mars.As if there were not enough alarming things seen in the Solar Return for this past September,
She also has her Natal South Node at 16Taurus conj. Natal Persophone at 19Taurus and S/R Persophone comes to conjoin these two places at 18degrees Taurus 46minutes.

Leomoon80
01-15-2011, 03:57 PM
No, it doesn't appear at all to be a runaway case Boxermom.
Sadly.

Each chart we create we can add new and interesting data to see what comes up.
Some use the Arabic Lots and I seldom do. But I may later on in this case.

For now I’ll show you two variations of the “Last Seen chart” and in this 2nd one, I’ll insert the TNPs in only one of them.


In this case we are seeing Kronos & Hades in the 2nd
and 3rd, the “near future” is Hades 29th degree and Kronos in the 3rd house not sure, but very close to the apt. she was in.

Vulcanus (like it sounds) often said to be likened to Pluto is very destructive (like a volcano) and here it falls on the I/C cusp in the 4th house conjunct the cusp. This “appears to me for now” to say, “close to home” or where she was in Pikesville, outskirts

Baltimore City (north) and generally speaking can be a rough neighborhood. There are malls nearby. And she said (reportedly) she was hungry, and was leaving to get some food.

IF this was the case, you’d think we would see something in the 5th of self-indulgence, recreation, but we do not.

We see only Hopi meaning “ambush”

All those many planets in the 6th house.
Zeus (overpowering) conjunct Moon (the event co-ruler) same degree and within minutes.

Next, Saturn and the Vertex in this house.


Apollon means many. Meaning more then one of anything. Perhaps I should not have inserted the TNPs after all (see what I mean by we can confuse our symbology sometimes by our choices) it appears to be saying there are more then one here. Sometimes as I often take on these cases by myself, I do stick my neck out a bit too much "me thinks",
but yet I hate when a request goes unanswered and someone is missing, so I make the attempt regardless.:innocent: I know what it's like when your child is missing.
I'd rather take the chance and do something, and be wrong then, if the other choice is doing nothing. So forgive me if I am wrong in the end. I don't claim perfection here.

Venus ruler of the Chart in the 7th house of the other. Venus is nearing the 21st of Scorpio, a “Definite Loss” degree.
Venus conjuncts Atropos, so I don’t like it here. It’s too frightening actually.

As I move to the 8th house I know I don’t like it for certain, as we see Mercury the ruler of the 6th of decision making, in this house perhaps the killer conjunct Cupido and Vesta.
Then there is also the North Node (fate) and Lachesis in the same degree within minutes, and Lachesis decides the moment to die.
Pallas is here too, (premeditation?)

Part of Fortune in 21Aquarius, squares Venus the Ruler of the Chart or the young woman in question and also is semi-square to the Sun (possibly the event itself) found in the 9th between Mars & Pluto
Death and destruction to the physical body, is how it appears thus far.

Asteroids Astrae (a witness) and Persophone (abduction) in the 12th. Take that as you may……sounds to me to be literal.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3674/phyliciabarnesmissing16.gif

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1336/phyliciabarneslastseenc.gif



Update: Still no resolution to finding Phylicia Barnes.
Her mother on TV begs for answers:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/15/maryland.missing.girl/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


snipped:

She knows how protective I was as her mother. She wasn't allowed to have a boyfriend," Sallis said. "She didn't have men; we didn't have men coming in and out of our environment."
Sallis said she was "stunned" and "devastated" after learning from one of Barnes' siblings that "there was a listing of 20 different guys going in and out" of where Barnes was staying and that her daughter -- who recently turned 17 -- was allowed to drink alcohol.

A Baltimore police spokesman has said more than 100 Baltimore police, Maryland State Police troopers and FBI agents have been working on the case.

Sallis said she had encouraged Barnes to reach out to her siblings on her father's side of the family.


"I encouraged her to go on Facebook to look for them because she hadn't heard from that side of her family, from her father, in over eight years,"

Sallis said. "And I, as a mother, didn't want my daughter not knowing who her other side of her DNA is. I didn't want her going from man to man looking for her father in relationships, so I encouraged her to look for her half-sisters online and maybe she could find her father that way because she hadn't heard from him in over eight years."


According to police, Barnes communicated through text messages with her half sister about 12:30 p.m. the day she disappeared. The ex-boyfriend of the half-sister was moving out of the apartment and said he saw Barnes last on the couch at about 1:30 p.m., but when he came back to the apartment at about 5:10 p.m., Barnes was not there. The door was reportedly unlocked, and the music in the apartment was extremely loud.

Sounds to me like a case of a parent, "you'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't" scenario.
She did for her daughter what she thought best at the time, for her to know the paternal side of her family.
It seems to have cost her greatly, including the life of her only daughter.

Atropos at 10Aries in her natal makes an exact trine to transiting Persophone (abduction) within only minutes of exact to these two asteroids. Natal Pluto squares Saturn. TR Juno makes a square to her Saturn when she disappears, in the 21st degree of Scorpio, “A definite Loss degree”
Asteroid Melpomene (a tragedy) and Transiting North Node, separating from the conj. to her natal
Lachesis in SAG (2 of the Greek Fates in Fire signs) with only Moira in the Air sign of Aquarius.
From the looks of the Black Moon Lilith, it does appear she met up with the worse her mother could have imagined for her, and for herself I’m sure, the shadow or boogey man (men) of her dreams.
BML in Aries (ruled by Mars) , and 5 squares.

Truth Hunter
01-21-2011, 06:19 PM
Dutch national Vincent Tabak has been arrested on suspicion of murdering Joanna Yeates.

Born: 10th Feb 1978 in Veghel(near Hertogenbosch), the Netherlands,
according to the Bristol Evening Post(www.thisisbristol.com)

More information at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?pageOffset=&pageSize=&orderBy=dateAsc&searchPhrase=Vincent+Tabak&_channelshortname=on&button=Clear+all&_contenttype=on&button=Clear+all&dateupdated=&dateFrom=&dateTo=&_authornamef=on&_authornamef=on&button=Clear+all

Tuba
01-21-2011, 07:05 PM
Yes, this man in custody fits the chart very well because he is indeed a tenant. In fact, I believe he lives in an adjoining flat that was once connected to Joanna Yeates through a door later sealed. Other than this, we don't know much about this man that would incriminate him. Thanks for providing his birthday. We'll have a look.

Leomoon80
01-21-2011, 07:15 PM
Dutch national Vincent Tabak has been arrested on suspicion of murdering Joanna Yeates.

Born: 10th Feb 1978 in Veghel(near Hertogenbosch), the Netherlands,
according to the Bristol Evening Post(www.thisisbristol.com)

More information at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?pageOffset=&pageSize=&orderBy=dateAsc&searchPhrase=Vincent+Tabak&_channelshortname=on&button=Clear+all&_contenttype=on&button=Clear+all&dateupdated=&dateFrom=&dateTo=&_authornamef=on&_authornamef=on&button=Clear+all

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Police-arrest-Dutch-architect/article-3129181-detail/article.html

Friday Jan. 21, 2011


Vincent Tabak, 32, who police arrested on suspicion of Joanna Yeates' murder


Dramatic scenes unfolded in Clifton yesterday as the 32-year-old man, believed to be Miss Yeates’ neighbour Vincent Tabak, was arrested from an address in Aberdeen Road, off Whiteladies Road, at 6am.Mr Tabak, a Dutch architect, is registered as living with his girlfriend in the same building in Canynge Road where Miss Yeates lived with her boyfriend Greg Reardon.

The girlfriend of Vincent’s parents said he was “lovely”
and they hope the same thing doesn't happen to him as happened to the other suspect, the landlord Mr. Jeffries.

http://swns.com/vincent-tabak-girlfriends-parents-describe-architectural-engineer-as-lovely-210950.html

Tuba
01-22-2011, 12:45 AM
How does Mr. Tabak connect to the events of 17 December, 2010? Ugly to see is Saturn sitting on Tabak's Pluto. Bear in mind though, that everyone born at the end of 1977 or in 1978 had the same transit. But for Mr. Tabak it was dead on. He was feeling a compulsion backed by 60 lbs. of steam. His romance had soured and a vindictive urge grew out of that because he is another one who had a rejection complex (Saturn in Leo opposite his Venus Aquarius). His life now lacked direction and seemed meaningless. He wanted to regain control and to exercise that by dominating others. The loss of his mate left him fiercely frustrated.

The December Sun at 25:48 Sagittarius was working in his behalf, sextiling his own Aquarian Sun, trining his (self-restraint) Saturn, opposing his II Jupiter. That might have constrained his behavior but he was born with an out of bounds Mars in the last decanate of Cancer, Uranus was on his Moon, slippery move Neptune was on his Sun and Venus, Mars was square his node at Vindemiatrix. Venus and the Moon laid an axis over his Uranus, which was not well integrated into the balance of his natal planetary array. All of this is insufficient to indict him astrologically but goes a long way toward confirming any evidence against him, including DNA.

gloriana
01-22-2011, 04:31 AM
Does anyone have Jo Yeates date of birth?

Leomoon80
01-22-2011, 01:10 PM
Does anyone have Jo Yeates date of birth?

No, only that it is in 1985 Hampshire England

Please let us know if you come across it in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates

Tuba
01-22-2011, 01:23 PM
By progression, Tabak's Sun has arrived at his Moon where Jupiter and Uranus joined on the night Joanna was abducted. His progressed Mercury was on the natal node and Vindemiatrix. As he came into his thirty-third year, because the node of the Moon moves backward, the new position was conjunct his Venus. Progressed Moon herself is somewhere in II.

His Mars moved very little over the years because it was retrograde at birth and then went direct when he came of age. It is still out of bounds and it is trine the above trio of Moon-transit Uranus & Jupiter for unblocked flow.

Transit Neptune was not only on his Sun and Venus but opposes his Saturn for a notable lack of defenses to this crime. Since his own Uranus never moved over the years due to forward, then backward motion, and because it was in play on 17 December and not well integrated into his chart, we need to look at 16°+ Scorpio. Charubel reads, "A female in a state of nudity. Denotes a voluptuous person, liable to be carried away by the lower passions." Sepharial describes this as a degree of "ABANDONMENT, A battered hulk lying upon the seashore."

Tuba
01-22-2011, 01:32 PM
Harking back to the event chart for Joanna's confrontation at the flat, we can certainly say that Neptune in Aquarius, mutually received by Uranus in Pisces, describes an Aquarian adversary with a Piscean Moon.

Truth Hunter
01-22-2011, 06:08 PM
Vincent Tabak has been charged with Joanna yeates's murder.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Detectives-Charge-32-Year-Old-Vincent-Tabak-With-Her-Murder/Article/201101415907665?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15907665_Joanna_Yeates_Murder%3A_Detec tives_Charge_32-Year-Old_Vincent_Tabak_With_Her_Murder

Leomoon80
01-22-2011, 10:27 PM
Thinking the WS members might like seeing his chart I erected it with the Sunrise because we do not have the time of his birth, and you can see Uranus that planet of extremes in Scorpio, (see Tuba’s notes on the degree) square to Sun, Mercury & Venus. He’s really “quirky” I suppose we might say, and Uranus in Scorpio, (deadly when enraged) and all those Aquarius planets (Mercury Sun & Venus) is not exactly in touch with his feelings or anyone else’s for that matter.


Never be fooled by a Pisces Moon, as it’s a prime moon for serial killers too, when the chart makes it’s case for abnormalities, Pisces or even Cancer Moon can be as deadly as one with a Capricorn or colder moon sign. Remember the Killer Clown he had lots of Pisces in his chart.

Pluto square Mars in Cancer (Mars in Detriment in Cancer) is weakened here…..making him a weak person and we have seen a few killers lately with this position to watch (Mars in Cancer) can produce weak men in particular it seems. One that comes to my mind is Zahra’s father has this position and did not stand tall for Zahra up to his new wife. Allowing her full sway to do as she wished to the child.


Perhaps (manly) Mars then, quincunx to late Aquarius Venus suggests some sort of sexual problem he had (Jo wasn’t raped) yet there was DNA on her breast and other body areas.

Yes, he is Uranian, quirky and weird in all likelihood. Did I hear that he and his g.f. had broken up recently?.....The potential in laws liked him, that’s obvious by their initial comment as well as this link of more admirers.
Sometimes sexually frustrated individuals (apparently more men then women) go off the deep end in violent ways. :(

Transiting Saturn atop his natal Pluto with Transiting Neptune over natal Venus - (his attempt to convince her?) simply didn’t work to his or her advantage.

I’m not familiar with, nor conversant on on the so-called love asteroids, but this chart shows natal Cupido (Cupid?) said to be prominent at times of marriage and is a TNP (TransNeptunian) pronounced (coo-PEE-doe)
Keywords are : Getting together, family, marriage , society, organizations, corps. Art
I see that it has some disturbing aspects in light of what he is being charged with, Cupido is semi-square to Neptune, square to Mercury and opposed to Chiron.
This could be the area of misery for him….not “connecting” sexually.


IF we had Paulette look up a few asteroids, it may help along these lines.
I tried AMOR (love) as the asteroid , and found it to be too close for comfort, so I added it to the chart afterall.
Sun conj. Amor conj. Venus…………hmmmm.

I found a Quindecile in this chart - From Ricki Reeves book "165 degrees of Obsession" and to within one degree either way.....she says (actually Noel Tyl was her teacher and together they studied thousands of charts and quideciles)
that having ONE makes the energy more condensed vs having more then one in the chart then the energy is more likely scattered obsessions.
Many of us have them. But most of us don't kill with them.

He has his Mercury Quindecile Mars.

Remember, Mars in weakened Detriment Cancer. He's an opportunist and tried to have her sexually but it didn't work so he strangled her.

(imo) sorry, my "thumbs down" ended up in the wrong place in the header.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8224/screenshot003iu.jpg

Leomoon80
01-22-2011, 11:04 PM
They do things quite differently in England then in the U.S.A. apparently:

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/01/21/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-evidence-is-vital-now-115875-22864355/#ixzz1Bp8IDhis

When you arrest somebody you effectively open up the inquiry from a new point and gain access to new evidence, meaning checks on telephone records, emails and financial *transactions will be made a priority.
Because the evidence threshold for arrest is not that high – perhaps 15% of what you need to convict someone – it is not unusual to have several suspects in mind at any one time.
The arrest of a second person by no means automatically exonerates the first, and the SIO will keep an open mind until one has been charged and the other cleared.

Sweep the cat
01-23-2011, 07:08 AM
When I havent got an actual birth time I use a solar chart for noon of that date. The chart I have has Gemini Rising with Jupiter on the Asc with the Sun conjunct Venus conjunct M/C in the Eight house, with Mercury in the eigth too. These planets square Uranus. This would indicate a very iratic personality with a very bad temper.

The Moon is square Juper and Asc and trine Mars. This is a softening of the harshness of the difficult squares and could indicate his emotional intellect.

I could go on but not sure if it is allowed on here.

FifthEssence
01-23-2011, 03:23 PM
Because we do not have his true time of birth, we can't be sure of the ASC whether we use Sunrise or Noon time when casting a Natal chart, therefore an attempt to discuss the Houses carries no weight.

Do keep in mind, the focus of THIS FORUM is the Forensics of a crime EVENT.

In the case of Tabak (a Natal chart), using a sunrise time gives him a Pisces/26degree Moon. If the Moon moves on an average of 1degree plus every 2 hours and if this person was born later that afternoon, he possibly could have an Aries Moon. In terms of the other planetary transits, they pretty much remain the same give or take minutes.

In Forensic Astrology, the Event Chart is the 'story-telling' chart (time of crime, time reported missing, time last seen, etc) and is most reliable when confirmed times are provided.

The Natal, whether using sunrise or noon times or the true time of birth, helps confirm those energies/influences surrounding the victim or possible perp themselves (whomever the individual is we are looking at) at the time of the Event, but does not provide the details of the crime activity an Event chart is capable of revealing.

We appreciate your interest in this case.

Tuba
01-23-2011, 11:42 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/JoannaYeatesARRESTofTABAK.jpg

I thought I would share my scratch tablet notes, in case someone is interested in the event of Vince Tabak's arrest & hold for the murder of Joanna Yeates. He does have the opportunity for a defense in that the Sun is sextile Jupiter ruling the House of self-protection. Moon opposite Mars has him well tangled in the toils of the law.

Leomoon80
01-24-2011, 10:54 PM
What an angelic little boy, his face is beautiful to behold
Snatched from his grandmother's arms in an apparent revenge motive towards his ex girlfriend, no one knows where they are now.

These charts don't look good to me for longevity, but I'm keeping my heart open and fingers crossed that they are found.

I don't get a "read" on the kidnapper, Jose, other then the following, so I'll not be posting his chart. Perhaps someone else will follow up and see what I cannot for him:

on Jose Rodriquez:
Transiting North Node conjuncts his “Lachesis” a death asteroid. Natal Uranus conjuncts AntaresA violent star and Uranus opposes his natal Mars in Gemini 9GEM, so exactly opposite Antares.

The mother feels he would never hurt her son……..I’m not as sure as she. He appears erratic and violent with unhinged emotions of a Venus in Cancer. Venus semi-square Mars and square to Pluto. Venus also is square Saturn.
He doesn't get along well with females.

Perhaps not with anyone.

The EVENT:

Moon is the Ruler of this event chart and found in the same degree as the ASC within minutes in the 12th house. My take is that this is a suicidal attempt with the child in tow. The 4th house cusp is the crisis end of the line 29th degree and Saturn lies in the 4th .

The 5th of the child is ruled by Mars found in the 7th house in Aquarius. Mars conjuncts the Sun or the mother’s b.f. Mars is also the same degree as the Nodes the 2nd degree.

Persophone the kidnap itself found in the 11th at 6degrees Taurus with asteroid Anubis (suicide)
Medea (taking the child to kill) is here as well and wide conj. to SN

Although there are planets in the 9th such as Uranus, Jupiter and the Black Moon Lilith, I do wonder if he has driven a far long distance or simply plunged into the canal as the witnesses say.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6625/screenshot001jw.jpg

Leomoon80
01-25-2011, 12:48 AM
Here is Julianis Natal Sunrise Chart.....from Missing Kids links the dob.
Such an adoreable child. But aren't they ALL. :(

The article says they will resume searching the canal tomorrow (Tuesday)
They should!
It must be incredibly deep and murky. They've retrieved at least 5 cars already.
http://www.pattersonirrigator.com/view/full_story/11116130/article-Search-to-resume-Tuesday-for-kidnapping-victim?instance=lead_story_left_column



TR Juno conj. his SN and opposes TR Uranus a rather volatile set-up of
Planets and asteroids with the malefic SN. Natal NN 29th deg.Pisces (conj.Scheat)
Misfortune with water…….NN is also conj. Lachesis
Juliani has a Yod formation which includes Mercury Venus and the apex is Pluto

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8748/screenshot003wy.jpg

belimom
01-25-2011, 02:01 AM
No, only that it is in 1985 Hampshire England

Please let us know if you come across it in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Yeates

I haven't come across it yet, but it was recorded in May. Not sure if this helps you guys out without an exact day, though.

Leomoon80
01-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Here is the natal Sunrise chart of this tortured soul J. R. last seen taking
little Juiani from grandma's arms that day:


http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5510/screenshot001uz.jpg

Attempting to track the Greek Fates (Atropos, Lachesis and Moira) in this chart we see:
TR Saturn opposes natal Persophone (abduction indicator) conj. TR ZEUS (via force)
TR Moira 10.38Scorp conj. "Crux" (the Cross) a fixed star conjunct (N) Cupido
TR Atropos opposes "Algol" a fixed star of remarkable note for negativity
and opposes Natal Chiron (the wounding)
TR Medea (kills a child) at 12Gemini 39' conjunct his Natal "Atropos"(i.e. = "If I can't have my child, (she is 6months pregnant with his child), THEN
you can't have Juliani!"

TR NN 2Capricorn conj. his Natal "Lachesis"

Soulscape
01-26-2011, 12:45 PM
This 18 year old college student was last seen leaving a Geneva College dining hall around 8:00 pm on Thursday, 1/20/2011.

News reports state he had posted a Facebook message about having a problem and saying no one could help him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DEVONMINORLastSeen120118pm.jpg

The chart gives cause for concern.


1) ASCENDANT is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality.


2) ALGOL 26:19 Taurus conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN. This Fixed Star is notorious for 'losing one's head, either literally or figuratively.' The MIDHEAVEN shows what comes before the Public Eye.


3) The same sign is on the 1st and 2nd House cusps, suggesting that the 1st House person (Devon) knowingly walked into whatever came next; i.e., for whatever reason, he made a conscious decision to 'go forward.' This testimony is corroborated by the EQ (secondary Ascendant) placement in the 22nd degree of Leo --- the degree of being one's own worst enemy, and posited in the 12th House of Self-Undoing.

4) SUN the Event is posited at 00 Aquarius, close conjunct MARS 03 Aquarius in the 5th House of Actions Taken. MARS itself, associated with violence, also symbolizes actions taken and, in Aquarius, gives a detached quality. Here we see that the Event / Action Taken is based on something ruled by the 12th House (Leo on the cusp), again pointing back to Self-Undoing.

5) SUN is quindecile MOON (165 degrees), an angle of extreme compulsion/ obsession/ stress. There is a perhaps 'pressure-cooker' impulse to act (SUN conj. MARS) against the best interests of oneself (SUN quindecile MOON) or perhaps to destroy/ quash/ obliviate the emotions (MOON) one may be enduring. MOON's 12th House placement suggests a deep sorrow and/or 'imprisonment' of some sort, strengthened by her exact opposition to the Arabic Part of FORTUNE 16 Aquarius. Moreover, FORTUNE itself is quindecile ASCENDANT, further supporting that Devon was under unfathomable stress at the time he was Last Seen.

6) Lord 1 MERCURY (Devon) at 09 Capricorn applies square Arabic Part of DEATH 11 Aries (not shown). Death in Aries can be by one's own hand. The Arabic Part of SUICIDE1 00 Libra (not shown) is posited in the 2nd House of the Near Future. It is partile trine the SUN and opposes JUPITER in anaretic (last ditch; 'end of its rope') degree (29 Pisces). JUPITER is the traditional Lord of Pisces, the sign on the 8th House of Death in this chart, and is strong, posited within.

On a JUPITER Day in a JUPITER Hour, we can only reluctantly conclude an unhappy ending, unless Devon's natal chart can counter some of this unfortunate testimony.

Should anyone come across his Date of Birth, please let us know.

Sadly,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Last Seen Chart 7:30AM:


Chart ruler is Saturn found in the 8th house conj. Zeus (controlled, directed energy) with the planets in the 1st house all intercepted in the sign of Aquarius, the Sun in Detriment in this sign and conjunct Mars.
Whatever happened to her, appears to have been done swiftly and soon near this time of morning.
The Moon rules the 7th found conj. BAM along with Zeus, Hopi & Juno (in the crisis degree).
I’ve been seeing Juno appearing in many murder charts lately when it’s not the husband, btw or even anyone who was familiar with the victim. Juno can be a symbol of jealousy and resentments.
Juno (according to Demetra George’s book “Asteroid Goddesses” can also be a symbol of powerlessness battered wives, victims, minorities, crimes of sexual violence, seduction incest and rape. (pg.169)
It does then, give the appearance of something “personal” in this chart, moreso then not.

Part of Fortune 18Taurus is also quincunx to Saturn and quincunx to Venus

This appears to be a pre-meditated crime as the 12th house of hidden things, suggests with Pallas conjunct Mercury conj. Lachesis, and Pluto conj. the NN.
Appears (thus far to me) that this was planned (Mercury) attack (Pluto conj. NN)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2545/screenshot001wit.jpg

Leomoon80
01-27-2011, 06:28 PM
I looked at the 9:30AM time range as supposedly someone came to the door, knocked and she didn't answer this locked door.

Here is what I found in this timeframe:

Fomalhaut Rises in this chart at 3Pisces – truly an Immortal Name now a mysterious Neptune like disappearance with few or no clues available. The Ruler of the Chart Neptune found in the 12th conjunct Chiron (the inner wounding)
Black Moon Lilith and Uranus with Jupiter all in the 1st house signifying the mystery is surrounded by a shadow of the Black Moon yet to be unwrapped and seen. Persophone in the 2nd, means that soon, to this point in time was the kidnapping event.

The 7th house Ruler is Virgo hence Mercury is the Ruler, square Saturn semi-square Neptune. Could be reflecting that Mercury is (the other) who knocks on the door expecting a response.

Since Pallas Athena sits in the 11th house of Opportunity conjunct Mercury, it appears to be a premeditated event that took place here.

And the Sun (focal point) is in the 12th conj. Mars, and the cusp of this house is the 29th Crisis degree, she is already in harms way.
The part of fortune in the 8th and in Scorpio, is a misfortune in this chart already, as it squares the Sun,
Squares Mars and Trines the ASC.

(Note): IF 9AM for this knock on the door, pretty much the same chart, other then Aquarius RisingWith Saturn in the 8th conjunct Part of Fortune trine Neptune and trine the ASC.

Note: Perhaps she was not dead at this point in time, (9AM) as Moira does not join the POF until 9:30AM.

Event of the Press Conference Thursday Morning Jan.27:

The Press Conference being held to discuss the case of missing mom Amy Sue.

A real mystery if there ever was one. (Neptune in the 1st house, lead planet conjunct Chiron in crisis degree.)

Neptune (the mystery) squares the POF which falls at 27Scorpio, so “misfortune) and also opposes Algol (the worse)

Note that PO Misfortune is also wedged in a conj. with Atropos (death) on one side and the Moon (co-ruler of the chart) nearing the 21st degree of Scorpio, a “definite loss” A few more troubling parts of this chart puts Hades at 29th (crisis deg) in the 5th of love affairs rx with Kronos, and the 7th house gives a 15 deg. Leo cusp lord (the worse degree of the zodiac) which happens to square Moira (the other Greek Fate) in the 9th.


http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7862/screenshot003sa.jpg



Here is something else to consider however: :twocents:
(At 8AM the POF was at 27degrees Taurus (conj. Algol), on the 24th of January when she disappeared. This is a very curious chart, and it appears with the 0 degree crisis in Aquarius and location of the POF that she was already in peril at this time in the morning.) The Sun (ruler of the DC cusp) or the perp. is already conj. the ASC in the 8AM chart.)

Leomoon80
01-27-2011, 07:34 PM
Thanks to the hard work and investigative skills of Belimom, WS member, we have a probable date of birth for the missing young mom, Amy Sue:

(Sunrise chart - no houses known):

Klotho which is the beginning of the Greek fated Moira- or what is set in motion is conjunct her Mercury both 28 degrees Aries and both are trine to that critical natal Mars and Jupiter (Regulus) and the North Node.
Regulus always promises a fall in the natal charts, but seldom something so cruel (other then as I recall the murder of the lady with the facelift recovering on her b.f.’s couch that weekend) also had Regulus Mars triggered when she was butchered to death.


Here in the transits we can see that Neptune and Chiron was tr at 27 and 28-29 degrees respectively Aquarius so triggers this area for the promised fall of Regulus.

TR Juno and the Moon goes over her natal BML when she disappears. That Black Moon shadow seems to be seen a lot in the disapperances and murder charts.

TR Saturn moves into a conjunction with natal Pluto which opposes TR “Klotho” and Moira completes the fates by being in 13Scorpio opposing Amy Sue’s Sun.

Natal Uranus rx:
I think what stands out to me the most however about her natal chart (time of birth unknown) is her Uranus rx when born at 24Scorpio. It is said, 25Scorpio is very critical as a degree, we see Uranus is Square to Mars, Jupiter and quincunx to Venus, Square to the NN and opposed to Ceres , Lachesis square to the fate of Moira. This speaks of a ton of expectation for the unexpected and even surprising events in ways symbolized by the aspects. :(

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/530/screenshot004aq.jpg

Leomoon80
01-27-2011, 08:58 PM
First Calls to Police:

The Moon rules this event chart found in the 4th house conjunct Saturn, not a good omen for the ruler of the chart to be in the “House of Endings” or conjunct to Saturn (planet of woe) Juno at the crisis degree or 29th degree of Virgo shows the husband’s and probably the entire family’s stress trying to find Amy Sue that day, exhausting their efforts and then calling the police when they did.
I believe I posted already on Demetra George’s writings on Juno and the asteroid also potentially indicating rape and incest among many other possibilities beyond marriage and fidelity.
For certain ,when a planet or asteroid is in the 29th degree it is a crisis or critical. Saturn ruler of the 7th house of potential perpetrator found in the 4th of home and Endings.


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/144/screenshot005bu.jpg

belimom
01-27-2011, 09:08 PM
Thank you, Leomoon... Here is some add'l info and there are now FB "rumors" that a body has been found... Very sad, prayers to her family and two sons.

bbm

http://www.wsjm.com/VB-Police-Investigating-Blood-Found-By-Henslee-Rel/9075903


A Michigan private search team found blood in a trailer in woods near a relative's house on a property on County Road 687 in Hartford. Henslee's cousin Junior Beeve lives there. Our reporting partners at WNDU say the woods are used for hunting. Police said a lot of blood was found inside and outside of the door.


http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Truck-seen-near-Henslee-home-Monday


Police were on scene at the property Thursday night, and noted a camper sits in the front, where a "person in question" lives. More facilities are about a quarter-mile behind the unit.

That "person in question" is a cousin of James, and he was taken in for questioning around 6 p.m., police said. Shortly after, Amy's husband was called to the scene.

"Beeve" may also be "Beebe" - I've seen it both ways in different records.

Tuba
01-27-2011, 10:16 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/AmyHensleeLastSeenbyHusband001.jpg

FifthEssence
01-27-2011, 11:04 PM
Police source:Body found at blood scene
No word on blood, body's ID

Updated: Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 9:50 PM EST
Published : Thursday, 27 Jan 2011, 8:51 PM EST
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/MSP-Crime-Lab-called-to-blood-scene

HARTFORD TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WOOD) - At least one body was found Thursday night at the trailer where investigators earlier discovered blood, possibly connected to the disappearance of a Hartford Township mother, police sources said.

Neither the body, nor the blood, have been identified.

A tip there was a vehicle spotted in the area of Henslee's home around the time she disappeared Monday is information her husband also heard. And, he told 24 Hour News 8, he knows the driver.
"It was actually a relative of mine, a cousin," he said. "And he told me he came, but nobody was here. But the neighbor tells me that she seen a girl get in the truck, but she couldn't be 100% that it was Amy."

belimom
01-27-2011, 11:27 PM
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/bodies-1386667-say-buren.html
TWO bodies found. One is a friend of AMY's.

http://www.wwmt.com/
VIDEO
bbm


Relatives say two bodies found near trailer
....
Police say B.J. Beebe Jr., a relative of the family who owns the trailer where relatives say the bodies were found, is considered a suspect.


:(

A neighbor did report seeing two women get into the truck from the house that morning.

ETA: I'm new at all of this, but this seems to tie in directly to what you guys are saying, especially the 2nd body... Am I interpreting that correctly? Thanks.

ETA again: BJ Beebe if in fact Junior Lee Beebe that I gave the DOB for earlier: 11/7/1976

nursebeeme
01-27-2011, 11:47 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/AmyHensleeLastSeenbyHusband001.jpg I think you have this one nailed straight on Tuba

nursebeeme
01-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Dr.Fessel
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: South Central Illinois
Posts: 5,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anadarko
I'm not seeing it either. What name are we searching?
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/de...hType=offender

Offender Name: JUNIOR LEE BEEBE
Offender ID:
55506
Date of Birth:
11/07/1976
Age:
34
Race:
White
Gender:
Male

Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Van Buren County Sheriff's Office
__________________

thanks doc F

belimom
01-28-2011, 01:21 PM
Body of Missing Michigan Mother Found Buried With Another Woman's Body

PAW PAW, Mich. -- The bodies of two women who were apparently shot to death, including a 30-year-old mother missing since Monday, have been found buried in southwest Michigan.

Van Buren County Prosecutor Juris Kaps told reporters at a news conference Friday that the bodies of Amy Sue Henslee and Tonya Howarth, 36, were found in Bangor Township, about 60 miles southwest of Grand Rapids.

Kaps said a cousin of Henslee's husband, Junior Lee Beebe, 34, has been arrested on two counts of open murder and two counts of possession of a firearm during a felony. He was expected to appear in court later Friday to be arraigned.

~~ more at link ~~

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/28/body-missing-michigan-mother-buried-womans-body/

This is the DOB from mylife.com: Tonya Howarth, June 12, 1974 (listed as a 'family member' of BJ Beebe, also on mylife.com)

Again, this is the only source I've seen at this point.

ETA: I'm also seeing May 4, 1974. I'll keep searching for an official document.

FifthEssence
01-28-2011, 02:27 PM
This is the DOB from mylife.com: Tonya Howarth, June 12, 1974 (listed as a 'family member' of BJ Beebe, also on mylife.com)

Again, this is the only source I've seen at this point.

ETA: I'm also seeing May 4, 1974. I'll keep searching for an official document.



Thank you to all our wonderful sleuths for you assistance with the brief news link updates and finding the confirmed times and dates necessary in casting charts.

Sadly, not only was AMY murdered by this 'out of control' MONSTER, another has lost her life to him.

This arrest will make those in the community feel a lot safer. He's exactly where he belongs. Justice WILL be served!

We know the FAMILIES are suffering, especially the children. SAD SAD SAD
We send up PRAYERS for their comfort.

R.I.P. AMY and TONYA.

crocus
01-31-2011, 12:55 AM
Beebe to family: 'Didn't kill Henslee'

Updated: Sunday, 30 Jan 2011, 11:24 PM EST
Published : Sunday, 30 Jan 2011, 5:25 PM EST

snipped.....

Family members visited Junior in jail on Saturday and he explained to them what happened in the Van Buren County woods Monday morning. The first shots were fired by Howarth, Beebe's girlfriend, in a jealous rage after catching Junior and Henslee having an affair in a camper.

It started Monday morning, when Beebe left his mother's house; where he lived and had spent the night with Howarth, the family member said.

Beebe then went to pick up Henslee in his black pick-up truck -- the one witnesses reported seeing. Henslee and Beebe were intimate in that camper in the woods, according to Beebe, when his mother dropped Howarth off at the property where the camper sat. Howarth started looking for Beebe after seeing his truck, and found him with Henslee.
That's when Beebe claims Howarth picked up a shotgun already in the camper and shot Henslee to death. Beebe then wrestled the gun away from Howarth and shot her, his family said. Next, he got scared and buried the bodies -- where they were found Thursday night.


The shotgun was out because Beebe and his son had been working on target practice on the property.


more at link
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Beebe-to-family-Didnt-kill-Henslee

Soulscape
02-01-2011, 08:21 AM
Beebe to family: 'Didn't kill Henslee'

Updated: Sunday, 30 Jan 2011, 11:24 PM EST
Published : Sunday, 30 Jan 2011, 5:25 PM EST

snipped.....

Family members visited Junior in jail on Saturday and he explained to them what happened in the Van Buren County woods Monday morning. The first shots were fired by Howarth, Beebe's girlfriend, in a jealous rage after catching Junior and Henslee having an affair in a camper.

It started Monday morning, when Beebe left his mother's house; where he lived and had spent the night with Howarth, the family member said.

Beebe then went to pick up Henslee in his black pick-up truck -- the one witnesses reported seeing. Henslee and Beebe were intimate in that camper in the woods, according to Beebe, when his mother dropped Howarth off at the property where the camper sat. Howarth started looking for Beebe after seeing his truck, and found him with Henslee.
That's when Beebe claims Howarth picked up a shotgun already in the camper and shot Henslee to death. Beebe then wrestled the gun away from Howarth and shot her, his family said. Next, he got scared and buried the bodies -- where they were found Thursday night.


The shotgun was out because Beebe and his son had been working on target practice on the property.


more at link
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/Beebe-to-family-Didnt-kill-Henslee


http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/AmyHensleeLastSeenbyHusband001.jpg



Crocus, look once again at the Last Seen chart posted by Tuba which I have reposted here. Notice particularly the intercepted sign and planets in the 1st House.

When we find an intercepted sign on the 1st House, things are not what they seem. At 7:30 am that morning, on the surface, all was seemingly well. But unbeknown to the players something was hidden (interception), about to rise to the surface.

The sign Aquarius tells us what was to come would be sudden, unpredictable. The planets within the interception clearly show the trouble/harm (MARS) would come from a man (SUN) who would possibly use deception (NEPTUNE) to bring harm (CHIRON, 28 Aquarius, not shown).

There is no testimony showing harm coming from a woman; on the contrary, based on afflictions to the MOON, only to a woman.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
02-01-2011, 03:57 PM
Here is Julianis Natal Sunrise Chart.....from Missing Kids links the dob.
Such an adoreable child. But aren't they ALL. :(

The article says they will resume searching the canal tomorrow (Tuesday)
They should! It must be incredibly deep and murky. They've retrieved at least 5 cars already.
http://www.pattersonirrigator.com/view/full_story/11116130/article-Search-to-resume-Tuesday-for-kidnapping-victim?instance=lead_story_left_column



TR Juno conj. his SN and opposes TR Uranus a rather volatile set-up of
Planets and asteroids with the malefic SN. Natal NN 29th deg.Pisces (conj.Scheat)
Misfortune with water…….NN is also conj. Lachesis
Juliani has a Yod formation which includes Mercury Venus and the apex is Pluto

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8748/screenshot003wy.jpg

Sorry to report, they found little Juliani, in the canal today:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/01/california.child.body/index.html?iref=NS1

A water authority employee found the body around 7:38 a.m. Tuesday, MacKenzie said.

Authorities on Saturday had called off their lengthy search for Juliani in one part of the 117-mile Delta-Mendota Canal, but said the search would continue elsewhere.

Soulscape
02-01-2011, 05:28 PM
News reports give various times regarding the tragic discovery. I have seen 7:30 am and 7:10 am in different reports. I cast the chart using the 7:30 am time.


I used Santa Nella CA as the Discovery location:

121:00 W
37:15 N

ASC 18:35 Aqu
SUN 12:25 Aqu
MOO 25:56 Cap

MARS day / MARS hour

1) MARS 13 Aquarius hovers above ASCENDANT in the unfortunate 12th House, semisquare URANUS of discovery.

2) MARS squares POSEIDON (drowning) 03 degrees separating; SUN squares POSEIDON, 02 degrees separating. POSEIDON is posited at 09 Scorpio, a critical degree.

3) Discovery rises (ASCENDANT = 18 Aquarius).

4) Traditional Lord 1 SATURN 17 Libra Rx is posited in the 8th House of Death. Retrogradation signifies Juliani is dead / comes back in a damaged condition). Modern Lord 1 URANUS is intercepted (submerged) in Pisces (water).

5) Intercepted traditional Lord 1 JUPITER 01 Aries is quindecile traditional Lord 1 SATURN. Such a stressful aspect is further testimony of the death and return in damaged condition. The body was found because intercepted modern Lord 1 NEPTUNE 27 Aquarius is visible in the 1st House (visible, not intercepted).

6) The SUN and MOON are both posited in the unfortunate 12th House; MISfortune also resides in the unfortunate 12th House and is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES). MOON is four minutes of arc from critical (26 cardinal); Lord 5 the Child MERCURY is posited within the unfortunate 12th House as well --- the turned 8th house of the 5th house child --- and is critical (26 cardinal) and partile square the Arabic Part of DEATH 26 Libra in the the radix 8th house.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/JulianiCardenasBODYDISCOVERY.jpg

Juliani's natal SUN 00 Cancer is partile trine the Discovery chart EQ (a secondary ASCENDANT) 00 Pisces.

His natal and secondary progressed SOUTH NODE 29 Virgo in both charts close opposes the Discovery chart URANUS in Pisces (discovered in water) and inconjuncts NEPTUNE conjunct CHIRON, both in Aquarius, (discovered harmed in water).

Juliani's secondary progressed SUN 05 Cancer close opposes the Discovery chart PLUTO (death, transformation) and his sec. prog. MOON 22 Cancer (based on sunrise natal) opposes Discovery MOON (25 Capricorn) - MERCURY the 5th House Child (26 Capricorn). The opposition could possibly be more exact, impossible to tell without true birth time.

Juliani's tertiary progressed SOUTH NODE 25 Virgo trines the Discovery MOON. His tert. prog. SUN 29 Leo partile opposes Discovery CHIRON 29 Aquarius and tert. prog. MOON 17 Leo close opposes Discovery ASCENDANT 18 Aquarius.


And so we are burdened with a sad and tragic ending to a heartbreaking case.

May you rest in peace with the Angels, little Juliani.



Sadly,
Soulscape

Soulscape
02-02-2011, 12:37 AM
A concerned citizen called police at 7:12 pm on Monday, January 10, 2011 to report an abduction in progress.




http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/MicheleMcCoyAbductioninProgress-1.gif






Crisis is in progress with ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT in critical degree, 9 Fixed. SUN 20 Capricorn is posited in the unfortunate 6H / Turned 12H conjunct MARS of violence. MOON 04 Aries is in the Turned 3rd House of Cars (radix 9th House), applying square to PLUTO of kidnapping.

ASTRAEA the Eyewitness (asteroid) is posited at 15:51 Aries in the turned 3rd / Radix 9H partile square the MARS/PLUTO (violence) midpoint 15:55 Capricorn.

The chart's SUN/MOON midpoint 27:22 Aquarius is partile conjunct NEPTUNE of disappearance.

The Part of FORTUNE 25:55 Taurus (radix House 10) becomes MISFortune, partile conjunct ADMETOS (a death marker) and minutes of Arc away from partile conjunction to ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens.

Lord Turned 1st (radix 7H) URANUS 27 Pisces is partile square Lord Turned 8th of Death (radix 2H) MERCURY 27 Sagittarius. Traditional Lord Turned 1st (radix 7H) SATURN 17 Libra in Radix 3H of cars is conjunct the Arabic Part of CATASTROPHE 16:41 Libra (and close opposed ASTRAEA 15:51 Aries and square the MARS/PLUTO midpoint 15:55 Capricorn).

PLUTO/CERES midpoint (a kidnapping marker) 19:17 Capricorn is close conjunct the SUN 20:24 Capricorn. Asteroid PERSEPHONE, another kidnapping marker, is posited at 05:36 Taurus, partile trine PLUTO, often prominent in kidnapping charts, and close conjunct the Arabic Part of FATALITY 06:29 Taurus.

**********

Whether we use the 1st House or 7th House for Michelle (I chose the 7th, making it the Turned 1st), the ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT degree of 09 Leo/Aquarius squares her natal SUN 11 Scorpio.

Event PLUTO (kidnapping) 05 Capricorn partile opposes her natal VERTEX (a fate marker) 05 Cancer and inconjuncts her natal MOON 04 Sagittarius (sunrise position).

Event SUN 20 Capricorn partile conjuncts Michelle's natal SATURN.

Event SOUTH NODE 02 Cancer partile inconjuncts Michelle's Secondary Progressed SUN 02 Sagittarius placing that SUN in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/tragedy/fatality.

All in all, the testimonies are dire. Michelle has been missing 22 days as I post this commentary, and I fear for her well-being.

Sadly,
Soulscape

Tuba
02-03-2011, 08:59 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/HollandOHCoupleMurdered001.jpg

As victim John Clarke spoke on his telephone inside the house, person or persons of criminal intent entered unannounced. John dropped the phone asking, "Who are you? What are you doing here? What do you want?"

He and his girlfriend, Lisa Staub were bound and plastic bags were attached over their heads. They succumbed to asphyxiation but had also received neck injuries. Duct taped hands prevented their removing the sacks.

The "true" south node of the Moon may assist in identifying the killers and capturing them, especially since the Part of Capture is at the solstice point of our recent Full Moon. They are some good ways off from the scene of the crimes.

belimom
02-03-2011, 11:46 PM
Bringing this over... very sad. :(


http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-02-03/story/body-young-woman-missing-jan-10-believed-found

Body of young woman missing since Jan. 10 believed found


emains found in Northwest Jacksonville are believed to be those a woman missing since last month, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said Thursday night.
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Police said a tip brought them to Ribault River Drive but they would not disclose the exact location.

This is so tragic... I really do hope it happened immediately (for many reason) but especially b/c of the way LE handled this from the beginning.

Prayers to her family and friends. RIP, Michelle. :(

http://www.news4jax.com/news/26733285/detail.html
Remains Likely Missing Woman's Found
Remains Believed To Be 20-Year-Old's Located About 2 Miles From Her Home
Remains believed to be missing 20-year-old Michelle McCoy were found in a Northside lot about two miles from her home Thursday night, Jacksonville Sheriff John Rutherford said.

Police had been searching the vacant lot behind an assisted living facility in the 3900 block of Ribault River Lane off Winton Drive since early Thursday morning.

UPDATE2/4/11
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=189944
McCoy's boyfriend, 52-year-old Larry Thompson is the suspect in the case.Rutherford said Thompson is at large.

boxerlovermom
02-05-2011, 03:58 PM
Recent media coverage has revealed John Clarke's prior criminal record, along with his birthdate. It is 4-15-89.

Tuba, I read your comments to support the idea that this crime could be motivated by retribution. Any chance that victim John Clarke's prior robbery conviction is related to these murders?

From Toledo Blade:
Clarke was arrested, along with Daniel St. Clair and Quintwez Sanders, in 2007 for robbing two men at gunpoint in two separate incidents in Toledo when Clarke was 18.

In January, 2008, Clarke pleaded no contest to two reduced charges of robbery, a second-degree felony, and was sentenced to three years in prison by Judge Denise Dartt.

In June, 2009, Judge Dartt granted Clarke's motion for early release and placed him on community control — or probation — for three years. St. Clair also was released early from prison, while Sanders, who was sentenced to six years in prison because he was carrying the gun, remains in prison.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110205/NEWS02/110209564

I haven't been able to locate a DOB for Ms. Straub.

FifthEssence
02-05-2011, 04:21 PM
respectfully shortened


Recent media coverage has revealed John Clarke's prior criminal record, along with his birthdate. It is 4-15-89.


I haven't been able to locate a DOB for Ms. Straub.


Thank you for JC's DOB.

We might have hers. 12/21/90 DOB for LS.
Would be wonderful if someone can confirm hers.

Tuba
02-05-2011, 04:26 PM
The trouble is that we know about robbery incidents in 2007 but we don't know about other acts, crimes, offenses Clarke may have committed. By offenses, meaning merely something done that offended a violent type. It could even be something Clarke did or said in prison. But one thing we do know, it is an old matter.

belimom
02-05-2011, 09:21 PM
The trouble is that we know about robbery incidents in 2007 but we don't know about other acts, crimes, offenses Clarke may have committed. By offenses, meaning merely something done that offended a violent type. It could even be something Clarke did or said in prison. But one thing we do know, it is an old matter.

This has been posted on the "Crimes in the News" thread:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/JohnClarkecourtRECORDS.jpg

Leomoon80
02-06-2011, 01:16 PM
Belimom: Regarding the law and his problems with the law, I think his Hades at 7 degrees Gemini quincunx his Vesta (the law) at 7 degrees Capricorn and conjunct that troublesome star FACIES, is the indicator in his chart.

Yes, I do think we will find that he somehow, in someway, was familiar with the killer(s) but I feel very badly of course, for both of them.

I'd be surprised if it was a totally random hit.

Soulscape
02-09-2011, 11:00 PM
According to news reports, Michelle was Last Seen by her husband at approximately 9:45 am on Monday, February 7, 2011 and Reported Missing at 6:12 pm that evening.

The Event Charts, in conjunction with Michelle's natal and secondary progressed charts (relocated and based on sunrise) suggest, unfortunately, this likely to be a suicide.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/MICHELLEDUBOISLastSeen2711945am.jpg

Michelle was born with SUN partile conjunct ALCYONE, the Weeping Sisters, always giving something to cry about. We learned from news reports Michelle was on medication, fighting depression.

Her natal SUN/MOON midpoint 19:46 Taurus (sunrise, relocated) is close square REPORTED MISSING ASCENDANT 20:10 Leo.

Her natal MARS/SATURN (brutality, cruelty marker) 10:37 Cancer is partile square the LAST SEEN ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT axis 10 Aries/Libra.

Note: In the LAST SEEN chart, I assigned Michelle to the radix 7th House (Turned 1st) 10 Libra and I read this partile square of natal MARS/SATURN as cruelty/brutality against herself (1st House = one's body).

The LAST SEEN DESCENDANT degree 10 Libra (Michelle) is partile conjunct the notorious Death Star VINDEMIATRIX, The Widow Maker. Michelle's secondary progressed MARS/SATURN (brutality, cruelty) 07:17 Virgo is partile conjunct the REPORTED MISSING Arabic Part of SUICIDE2 07:25 Virgo with both exactly squaring Asteroid ATROPOS (Endings) 07:38 Sagittarius in the REPORTED MISSING chart.

Michelle's Secondary Progressed SUICIDE2 (based on sunrise relocated natal) 20:06 Leo partile conjuncts the REPORTED MISSING ASCENDANT 20:10 Leo. The REPORTED MISSING SUN/MOON midpoint 15:26 Pisces is partile conjunct the 8th House of Death Cusp 15:17 Pisces.

There are several other markers that point to the same unfortunate outcome.

In the LAST SEEN, MOON, indicator of the activity and co-ruler of the Missing Person, is posited in the unfortunate 12th House. In the sign of Aries, MOON is disposited by MARS, here in the radix 11th House and conjunct the SUN. SUN and MARS together are violent and both are posited in erratic, unpredictable Aquarius in the turned 5th House of Actions Taken. Notice if you turn the chart with 7 = 1, 8 = 2, etc., you would find MOON in the Turned 6th House of Stress & Distress. It is also known as the House of Sickness (including mental) and the House of Deliberate Choices...

Aries Rising in this chart and MOON in Aries gives a sense of self-initiated action / self-destruction, particularly with MOON's placement in the 12th House of Suicide / Turned 6th House of Stress/ Distress/ Deliberate Choices.

Lord 8 of Death PLUTO 06 Capricorn is partile conjunct the MIDHEAVEN (what comes before the Public Eye), conjunct VENUS 03 Capricorn, Lord Turned 1st (Michelle). VENUS is also Lord Turned 8th of Death (radix 2nd House). Co-Lord 8 of Death MARS 17 Aquarius is partile trine SATURN of Depression posited in the Turned 1st House (radix 7th House) and symbolizing once again Michelle's (Turned 1st House person) depression (SATURN Retrograde) and self-cruelty. The Arabic Part of DEPRESSION 15:22 Taurus is partile conjunct the Turned 8th House of Death (radix 2nd House).

The LAST SEEN Arabic Part of DEATH 18:25 Scorpio is 35 minutes of Arc from exact conjunction with SERPENTIS, the Accursed Degree of the Cursed Sign, 19 Scorpio, close square MARS 17 Aquarius (co-Lord 8 of Death) and partile square SUN 18 Aquarius.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/MICHELLEDreportedmissing612PM2711.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/MICHELLEDEBOISSunriseNATAL52074relocated.jpg



None of this bodes well for Michelle.



Sadly,
Soulscape

MeenaMom
02-10-2011, 01:37 PM
God bless her and her family

http://www.wesh.com/news/26816702/detail.html

Soulscape
02-10-2011, 01:55 PM
Authorities have confirmed the body found this morning is that of Michelle Dubois. At this point cause of death has not been determined.

This has been a most tragic case and my heart goes out to her devastated family and friends.

May you rest in peace with the Angels, dear Michelle.

Sadly,
Soulscape

cluciano63
02-10-2011, 06:05 PM
They have now said she did commit suicide.


http://www.wftv.com/news/26818459/detail.html
Cops: Missing Mother Dead From Apparent Suicide

"While the cause and manner of Mrs. Dubois’ death will not be released until the completion of the Orange County Medical Examiner’s report, a note and evidentiary items recovered at the scene, and the fact that there were no signs of trauma to the body or evidence of foul play indicates that she took her own life," the sheriff's office wrote in a release issued Thursday afternoon.

FifthEssence
02-10-2011, 08:44 PM
Thanks SOULSCAPE. You were emphatic and very clear in your analysis about her distraught condition. The distress was evident in your writing as you kept getting validation off each one of the charts.
brief quote:
In the LAST SEEN chart, I assigned Michelle to the radix 7th House (Turned 1st) 10 Libra and I read this partile square of natal MARS/SATURN as cruelty/brutality against herself (1st House = one's body).

Aries Rising in this chart and MOON in Aries gives a sense of self-initiated action / self-destruction, particularly with MOON's placement in the 12th House of Suicide / Turned 6th House of Stress/ Distress/ Deliberate Choices.

From what you wrote, seems she struggled all her life with these bouts of depression running deep through the core of her whole being.

PRAYERS go out to Christopher, the Twins and the families.

Tuba
02-10-2011, 10:35 PM
No names to give you because police are withholding them today. Last evening, a woman and her son and her companion were accosted as soon as they reached their building. They had been at the market but noticed a neighbor on their doorstep upon arrival home.

The neighbor & the boy started going off on each other, loud and harsh but just words and the mother ran to get the building manager or security, while the step-father tried to cool the scene. The neighbor wasn't having any and stabbed him and the boy to death before the mother could return.

The chart is a clear example of felony assault in that the Sun is in the House of battles and war, 7. Mars is with the Sun and offers the rage component and the violence and the knifings. Leo rises but its ruler, Sun, is as far from his personal business as is possible~he is over in the face of people he considers adversaries. Venus rules the neighbor relationship as these parties share a landing in the building and Venus is found with Pluto, ruling the domicile. But this pair is in House 5 and the cusp is ruled by Jupiter, which squares from the Ninth H. The police and the mother have no knowledge of any motive for these stabbing deaths but due to the House 9 affliction, the killer disapproved of the boys' conduct on moral grounds.

The attempt to appeal to security or to someone in authority is shown by the exalted Moon in Taurus at the top of the chart, Moon being the mother in the case. The prompt apprehension of the killer is attributable to the trine from Saturn ruling the police of H. 6 to the violent perpetrator. Part of Fortune on the guide star Arcturus helped trace him to Colombes, a near section of town and the mother provided his description. The star was not enough to protect the home, however. My understanding is that the killer stepped inside and the chart confirms that, Venus ruling neighbors conjunct Pluto ruling the home in risk taking House 5.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/MurderontheDoorstep001.jpg

Tuba
02-11-2011, 01:28 AM
The importance of the parallel is substantiated by Neptune ruling the House of death // the outcome.

waltzingmatilda
02-11-2011, 01:21 PM
THAT is a chilling sight! wm

Tuba
02-11-2011, 01:36 PM
Yes. I pursued this because the names of those involved left undisclosed, as though the city and the police were trying to put a lid on public reaction. The step-father's throat was slit.

Tuba
02-11-2011, 06:53 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/Couteau-Sang.jpg

As per the chart, the accused assassin was wearing a black shirt & a full djellaba, described by the victim's mother, when apprehended. He was covered in blood & still armed with this knife.

Tuba
02-12-2011, 12:28 AM
http://www.letelegramme.com/ig/generales/france-monde/france/hauts-de-seine-l-homme-qui-a-tue-deux-voisins-avait-recu-un-ordre-de-dieu-11-02-2011-1204410.php

The accused murderer is saying now that he received orders from God to kill his neighbors (see chart and the Jupiter square from H. 9 to Venus of neighbors ruling H. 3 conjunct Pluto of death and ruling the domicile). I would provide headlines in English but Google has only information in French about these knifings and you will be able to make out the bold case headline. He is considered extremely dangerous and is already confined. Thank God, the police caught him so quickly!

Soulscape
02-12-2011, 10:40 PM
WS member Dommienika asks us to look at this case.

On Friday, March 26, 2010, this 21 y.o. woman went to the home of her soon-to-be ex-husband to pick up their two year old daughter. She was not supposed to go there without an escort, but that day, she did.

According to the husband, when she arrived, Julie Ann seemed depressed and 'spaced out,' and wound up asking the husband to keep the child over the weekend. She then left and was never seen again. Her car was found abandoned about a week later.

In August 2010, Austin police named the estranged husband the primary suspect in Julie Ann's disappearance. He was not placed into custody despite the facts that a search warrant states police believe he murdered Julie Ann and investigators found blood and evidence of violent trauma at his house.

What is wrong with this picture?!


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The Last Seen Chart clearly points to murder:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/JulieAnnGonzalezLASTSEEN.jpg





Whenever Capricorn is found on the 8th House cusp, the Arabic Part of PERIL is conjunct the ASCENDANT. Here we see not only PERIL, but the SUN/MOON midpoint and the VENUS/MARS midpoint as well.

In a chart where we are exploring how two (married/ partnered) people may be relating to each other, SUN and MARS describe the man/ husband and MOON and VENUS describe the woman/ wife. Finding the SUN/MOON and VENUS/MARS midpoints conjunct PERIL and the ASCENDANT strongly suggests the Event has more to do with the state of the marriage / feelings surrounding the marriage than it does with dropping off or picking up a child.

I note the SUN/MOON and VENUS/MARS midpoints at 12 Gemini are partile trine the Arabic Part of MURDER which itself is partile conjunct the transneptunian ZEUS (force) 12 Libra, and HADES, a death marker, is posited within the 1st House.

It is a VENUS day, SATURN hour. VENUS rules marriage / wife and SATURN is a death marker and, in this chart, rules the 8th House of Danger / Death. This supports the sense of death (SATURN, 8th House ruler) of a marriage/ wife (VENUS). At 23 Aries, VENUS is partile opposed Julie Ann's natal SUN 23 Libra. At 00 Libra, SATURN Lord 8 of Death and Hour Ruler is critical (00, 13, 26 cardinal). The picture forming is that we have a crisis, the outcome of which is death by murder.

Further support includes JUNO the marriage asteroid at 17 Taurus in Fateful Degree, same degree as the NODES, as is MERCURY 17 Aries, Lord 1. Planets and points in Fateful Degree point to tragedy/ catastrophe/ fatality.

The Arabic Part of MARRIAGE 29 Capricorn is in anaretic degree (last degree of a sign) --- last ditch / end of its rope position. The marriage is over, collapsed, made abundantly clear by MARRIAGE close square DEATH 28 Libra and close inconjunct SATURN.

The 1st House person (husband) MERCURY 17 Aries is angry, thinking angry thoughts in secrecy (intercepted), thinking murderous thoughts (MERCURY close opposed MARS/PLUTO midpoint 18 Libra) in secrecy (intercepted).

Notice the triangle I've drawn from SUN to MOON to PLUTO. SUN (husband) sesquisquare MOON (wife); SUN square PLUTO (death marker); MOON sesquisquare PLUTO. SATURN Lord 8 of Death also squares PLUTO and JUPITER Lord 7 the Spouse/ Turned 1st (Julie Ann) has just separated from quindecile (165 degrees) SATURN of death.

I do believe she was dead by 11:00 am.

ASCENDANT degree 11 Gemini is a degree of deception (Charubel) and excess (Sepharial).

MARS in the 3rd House can bring on a secret attack within the home (Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson) because the 3rd is the 12th of the 4th. Here, MARS 01 Leo, symbolic of husband/ rage/ anger/ violence/ attack/ murder applies sesquisquare 44 minutes of Arc to JUPITER Lord Turned 1st (Julie Ann).

MARS (violence/ attack/ murder, etc.) is the last planet MOON (Julie Ann) passed over, showing what just happened. MOON next conjuncts SATURN, Lord 8 of Death, in crisis degree and a death marker in and of himself.

At the time of the Last Seen, Julie Ann's secondary progressed SUN was sesquiquare secondary progressed MARS and her secondary progressed MOON (based on sunrise, relocated natal) was quindecile (165) degrees that MARS. These aspects certainly could suggest problems, if not outright crisis and violence, between/ from marital partner(s).

Julie's natal MOON 28 Sagittarius (sunrise position) was close opposed Event HADES 27 Gemini (a death marker). Her tertiary progressed SUN 06 Leo inconjuncted (150 degrees) Event PLUTO 05 Capricorn, a marker of violence and death, (the inconjunct in and by itself is often a death indicator) and her tertiary progressed MOON 06 Cancer (based on sunrise natal) close opposed Event PLUTO as well.

These strong chart testimonies clearly support police assertions that Julie Ann was violently murdered at her then-soon-to-be ex-husband's home. Why he has not been arrested and charged with her murder is beyond my comprehension.

As to where her remains may be today, please keep in mind this Event took place over 10 months ago and the primary suspect has been free to come and go as he pleases. He has had plenty of time to move or destroy evidence.

I do not see much hope for recovery in the chart.

Sadly,
Soulscape

Dommienika
02-16-2011, 11:34 AM
Thank you Soulscape! I am trying to get the information together. So far here is what I have found..

George De La Cruz DOB (I am still looking for this information)

Last Seen By: George De La Cruz, according to George De La Cruz, between 10AM and 11AM on March 26, 2010.

Reported missing by: George De La Cruz, 24 hours later

Soulscape, I finally found the DOB for George, estranged husband the primary suspect according to news reports.

Delacruz-Jaimez, George Oct 11 1987

Dominique :)

Tuba
02-22-2011, 12:04 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - # 2

Mr. Wheeler's widow is asserting that his death was a targeted hit and she wants action and justice. We know Gareth William's death was also a targeted hit and he had just returned to Pimlico from Virginia, where Mr. Wheeler worked.

Tuba
02-23-2011, 12:56 AM
Vincent Tabak, the other tenant at Canynge Road, was charged this month in her Miss Yeates' murder and remains in custody. He did not apply for bail. He will plead on May 4 and case management comes before the bench on that date. Trial is provisionally fixed for October 4.

whovillebaby
02-26-2011, 06:26 AM
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Beebe-in-court-for-Henslee-Howarth-case

FifthEssence
03-11-2011, 03:55 PM
GOOD NEWS- Husband of VENUS ROSE found GUILTY!!!

Doug Stewart guilty of murdering Venus Stewart
Friday, March 11, 2011, 11:21 AM
Updated: Friday, March 11, 2011, 11:34 AM
Kalamazoo Gazette By Rex Hall Jr.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/03/doug_stewart_of_murdering_venu.html

CENTREVILLE — Doug Stewart is guilty of murdering Venus Stewart.

The jury in the Doug Stewart trial weighed the evidence they were given in the case for about four hours before its foreman stood and delivered the verdict Friday.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/GUILTY.gif

The evidence included cellular phone records, the statements and testimony of Stewart's alleged accomplice, Ricky Spencer, and Stewart's partial fingerprint on a tarp wrapper that was found outside the home of Venus Stewart's parents


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REST in PEACE sweet VENUS.
We hope he comes clean while in jail and reveals where he hid you.


As it turns out, he did use a' hireling' as seen in TUBA's chart and analysis.
GREAT WORK TUBA.!



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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/VENUSROSE.jpg

On April 14, there was a New Moon opposite the Part of Fortune involved in this abduction. The motivation was stirred then, the plan formulated then.

The rural property of Ms. Stewart's parents was an unlikely site for this abduction at 7:32 a.m. EDST. More so, was it odd to seize someone at the private mailbox there. A court ordered situation, for e.g., the child custody, was about to change due to Capricorn switching to Aquarius at the cusp of authority, the midheaven. Divorce or Uranus was taking over from Saturn of responsibility in the House of children. Who physically performed this kidnapping? The extranged husband claims he can prove he was at home hundreds of miles away in Virginia. Did he use a hireling?

Tuba
03-27-2011, 07:34 PM
Corey McGriff, known professionally as D.J. Megatron, television host & radio personality, was shot in the chest outside a Staten Island store, a fatal wounding. This occurred today, March 27, 2011 at 2:00 a.m. EDST.

He had contact with bad people, who are south node - Hades and was an available target on a lit street in the small hours when streets are relatively empty. Another brazen murder of a public figure.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/CoreyMcGriffFatalShottotheChest001.jpg

FifthEssence
04-01-2011, 09:44 PM
Sadly, TRACY OCASIO who has been missing since May '09 has NOT been found.

Below you will find copies of the chart work done by SOULSCAPE shortly after Tracy went missing back in '09 regarding Tracy's demise & this MEAN SPIRITED FELON who was the last person to see her.

Our charts indicate Hataway is absolutely responsible for her disappearance.

Will he ever give it up and tell LE where she can be located?



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TODAY, James Hataway was convicted of Attempted Murder of another female he had assaulted in 2008 prior to Tracy going missing.
The jury was swift with their determination of GUILT. Took 2-1/2 hrs only!
He'll be sentenced at a later date.
This trial took 3 day total.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-james-hataway-trial-day-3-20110401,0,2655922.story
http://www.wftv.com/news/27399066/detail.html


Police also believe he is involved in the disappearance of his acquaintance Onda Chris George whose wallet and bones have been located and found in a wooded area Hataway was seen leaving the night his friend went missing.


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Post #61 CASE BRIEFING Thread 1


Tracy Ocasio's nightmare began in the early morning hours of Wednesday, May 27, 2009. Planetary hours show it was still a MARS day and at 1:00 am, a MERCURY hour.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/TRACYOCASIOBar-setup.jpg

MARS is noted for action, aggression and sex drive (among other things) and at 26 Aries, was in critical degree (26 Cardinal). This is a strong, aggressive MARS that is out to get his way no matter what. Not shown, Hataway's natal MARS/PLUTO (cruelty, violence) midpoint is posited at 26 Scorpio in his birth chart, partile inconjunct this ugly Event MARS.

Additionally, Event MARS makes a partile sextile to the CHIRON-JUPITER-NEPTUNE triple conjunction at 26 Aquarius, showing opportunity (sextile) for disappearance. [Note: By 1:30 am, the time news reports give as the 'Last Seen,' the CHIRON-JUPITER-NEPTUNE conjunction was partile conjunct ASCENDANT, emphasizing critical action (MARS in critical degree) that resulted in disappearance.]

Event Chart TORO (brutality) at 20 Aries is partile conjunct Event VENUS, co-ruler of House 8 of Death (due to interception of Libra) and partile inconjunct Tracy's natal VENUS at 20 Virgo, foreshadowing terrible violence to come.

Tracy was still at the bar at 1:00 am, likely having conversation (MERCURY) with James Hataway. This may have been the time she agreed to give him a ride home, a most unwise decision. MERCURY at 23 Taurus was Retrograde and not far from ALGOL, suggesting hidden motive with most unpleasant consequences.

I am confident 1:00 am was the time the trouble started because that time puts 17 Aquarius on the ASCENDANT --- partile opposed Tracy's natal SUN. Moreover, Hataway's natal SUN conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN of the 1:00 am chart at 00 Sagittarius (clearly tying him to the Event) --- partile opposed ALCYONE the Weeping Sisters on the IC. Several hours later, when Tracy had not returned home, there was weeping, indeed.

An examination of Hataway's natal chart shows disturbing placements.

SUN conjunct URANUS with MARS/PLUTO midpoint partile conjunct URANUS: a person prone to hasty physical action; cruelty, violence, brutality. Sudden disasters or calamities of great consequence. (Ebertin)

MARS/SATURN = MOON (exact opposed to Sunrise MOON): Weakness of will, a mood or fit of depression, lack of courage. Illness, separation or death of members of the female sex. (Ebertin)

I also most sadly note that Event chart Part of Death at 01 Taurus is in the same degree as Tracy's natal NODES, another ominous testimony.


POST #66 CASE BRIEFINGS Thread 1


Hataway's natal EROS (sexual compulsions) 9 Sagittarius conjuncts his natal midpoints of VENUS/VERTEX (fated encounters with women) and PLUTO/CERES (kidnapping, rape).

The astrology suggests he gets off on kidnapping/raping women...

The VX (fated encounters) of the 1:00 am Event Chart was at 10 Virgo, partile conj. his PLUTO/CERES and VENUS/VX midpoints, both square his EROS.

His natal MARS/PLUTO midpoint (violence, murder) 26 Scorpio partile conjuncts his natal URANUS --- sudden violence --- triggered by all those placements at 26 degrees in the chart not the least of which was Event MARS 26 Aries in critical degree and partile inconjunct his natal MARS/PLUTO conjunct URANUS.

Leomoon80
04-09-2011, 07:18 PM
Dreamweaver posted the background of this case on the Case Request Board.

She may be able to find out the time of birth however, she did ask if I could do a preliminary chart or two, so this is the result of that request. Hopefully, more work can be done on this baffling case.

The 2 charts I did, are a Sunrise natal Chart and Event chart for the WalMart trip, where M's Doyle was seen purchasing a hoodie and then took money ($1,000) out of the WalMart ATM machine at about 9:30AM on 27th of October, 2008.

SUNSET CHART NATAL:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7792/screenshot001el.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/screenshot001el.jpg/)

I constructed a Sunrise chart, for we do not have her time of birth. There are quite a few ominous signs here however, not the least being Sun conjunct Alioth, at 9Virgo, often a sign of big trouble in life . Actually, it’s been termed by those who publish the critical degrees, “The Body in the Ditch” degree. But is this necessarily a homicide or can it also be suicide?

Her Pluto is conjunct fixed star “REgulus” and Ceres was transiting over this area of her chart’s planet and TR. Anubis the suicide asteroid accompanied this transit.

The symbols seem to suggest the story of grief and depression over being fired and relieved of duty.

Regulus is a natal promise to her of a steady rise but a fast and rapid decline when triggered . Her natal Saturn is also conjunct a fixed star that suggests violence will come into her life, as it’s “Antares” and either invites violence consciously or subconsciously without her conscious motivation.

Another tragic symbol I see would be the Transit of asteroid Lachesis, choosing a time of death and it being opposed to her natal Chiron. See also over Chiron the transit of her Chiron Return to the natal place as well as the NN and past Neptune transits undermining her mental state suggesting grief and depression as reported.

When Carilla disappeared Transiting Pluto was stationed over her natal Moira conjunct Juno within one degree. This makes me wonder about the reported B.F. she had, and whether or not he has been checked out by the LE.
TR Persophone the symbol of abduction is in the mix and Juno is often about jealous partners.

It’s also curious to see her natal Juno is conjunct Hades at 5Gemini59minutes and also conjunct Persophone.

Unless I can check the Arabic part of suicide vs murder, I would be looking at the B.F. or significant other very closely. There is no question even with this Sunrise chart she is one who was marked for a tough life of hardship and violence being introduced however whether or not she is the one who decided when the end would come, or if it was by the hand of another, that I cannot tell with the Sunrise chart.
She also has two malefics, Saturn and Mars in square to each other, which is ominous and one of them again, conjunct Antares.
My first feeling about this chart is that she succumbed to a devious plan perpetrated or brought about by another, (the Juno conj. Hades) although taking money out of the ATM to leave for her 2 children as originally told , certainly would make one pause as she had a plan for something it would appear. I believe Dreamweaver later said, it wasn't this money however, that she gave to the two older adult children. More reason for concern.


It may be a suicide, yet Hades Juno connection, shows us that she was attracted to, and would bring into the life, a significant other that is left wanting, morally . One who may have been immoral or even part of the underworld or of some definite ill repute.

Leomoon80
04-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Background of case:
Cerilla Doyle has been missing for 2 1/2 years
from Bentonville, AR, 10/27/2008

date reported missing: 10/27/2008
dob: 9/02/1957
place of birth: unknown (AR)
7am approximately: she talks with daughter
9:30am: At Walmart in Jonesboro, AR, Cerilla bought a hoodie, a tote/gym bag and a hat. She got $1000.00 out of Walmart AtM.
12:00pm: friend from Pearidge PD stops by her home in Bentonville, AR.
4:49pm, daughter calls police dept to report her mother missing.
1:50am - 10/28/2008, bus leaves Jonesboro, AR to Tulsa, OK.

Cerilla Doyle was a sergeant in the Pea Ridge AR police department
for over 20 years. Her husband died in Feb. 2008, after a lengthy illness.
She started to see someone and then quit her job due the boyfriend who caused frequent problems while on the job.
The night before she disappeared, she was detained by Jonestown, AR police. This because her boyfriend drove her to the police dept and
allegedly said that Cerilla was upset and was carrying a gun.
She had a concealed weapon’s permit, but her gun was taken from her.
Cerilla’s daughter, who is a police dispatcher for Jonestown, AR police department, came to get her mom.
The daughter last spoke with her mom the next morning, 10/27/2008.
Daughter reports that her mom said she was going to do the bank, post office and would not have her cell phone with her.
When the daughter arrived home at 4:30pm, Cerilla was not there.
When she opened her mom’s bedroom door, all of Cerilla’s clothing was on the bed, identification, cell phone, and a power of attorney letter to her son. Two checks made out to her son and daughter, giving them her money.
Her car was left at the house.

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WAL MART TRIP 9:30am: (ATM and shopping)

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7366/screenshot002sz.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002sz.jpg/)

Such a tragic story.

A woman with a stellar career, yet brought down by her poor choice of a man.

Arrested, defamed and now missing.

Murder or /Suicide is the question, and we do not have her time of birth. However the event chart for the ATM withdrawal and Walmart purchases, appears to say a crisis indeed was at hand. 29 degrees 56 minutes is a crisis degree Rising and this chart in Scorpio, ruler being Mars (and modern ruler is Pluto) hence, death and violence very likely.

(2nd) Ruler of the chart found in the 12th is most unfortunate, for it’s the body evidence and conjunct Part of Fortune here in the hidden house of self-undoing.
Anubis, the asteroid depicting suicide is here in the 1st house 6 degrees away from the ASC. Venus conjuncts Antares then in the 1st, we see the Black Moon, Juno and Pluto. Certainly a man somewhere in the picture here, but in what capacity and his role, is the question.

The 2nd house cusp is 0Capricorn, so the close future to this chart, is dire as well.
Jupiter opposes the Vertex (a fated event) in the 8th house of Death.
Uranus in the 4th the “End of the Matter” house is in quincunx aspect to Mercury and the Moon . The Moon is exactly semi-sextile therefore, harmonious with Saturn as is her mindset.

The planetary arrangement shows her despair.

Lachesis is in the worse degree of the zodiac (so termed) for the vibration of 15Leo is so very harsh. Still another symbol pointing to her demise.
With Pallas Athena in Gemini, the indicator of a pre-meditated act, I’d think that the square it makes to both Saturn (woe) and Uranus (erratic and separating oneself) or because Pallas is in the 7th house of the other – it may be someone separating her from the loved ones.

What in the world happened that made this woman want to disappear forever? What did this man say about her to get her fired (as reported) on the thread?

I hope Dreamweaver is successful in getting more feedback on this chart, as I really don't know if the lady left town or not. It appears however, that the 3rd of short trips, gives us the hint that she did not go a long journey, (that would be house 9)
And Uranus in the 4th, suggests (to me) that she met her end near home.

FifthEssence
04-18-2011, 03:14 AM
We have opened a new Thread dedicated to the HOLLY BOBO case.



Forensic Astrology - HOLLY BOBO abducted 4/13/11 Darden TN - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

cluciano63
04-21-2011, 03:32 PM
I am wondering if a reading was ever done on Phylicia Barnes?

She has been found...in a river. Seemingly, she has been there all along since her disappearance in late December 2010.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/body-phylicia-barnes-north-carolina-teen-found-maryland/story?id=13430724

So sorry, Phylicia and family...

FifthEssence
04-21-2011, 06:59 PM
last seen on 28 DEC 10 at 1330 hrs.

TR NN and Mercury over her natal Lachesis when she went missing from this Pikesville neighborhood in N.W. Baltimore City.

Both TR Sun and Pluto although a ways from a conjunction to her natal Stellium planets beginning with Mars, do create a square aspect to Transiting Uranus (abductor or strange and unexpected occurrence) which is now at 0degree Aries, a critical or crisis degree and opposes her natal Zeus exact degree at 0Libra.

Natal without the time of her birth:

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3674/phyliciabarnesmissing16.gif
Asteroid Melpomene, (a Tragedy) does conjunct her natal North Node within 2 degrees, quincunx to TR Jupiter and the Black Moon.

TR Mars is squaring Natal Hades and Kronos – and forming a square to TR Cupido and Mercury which may suggest a sexual motive by force.

Saturn, the planet of woe and karma, does seem to be the trigger here that is activating her critical Juno square Mercury square Moon and even square by association, asteroid Moira.Lachesis is transiting at 23Aquarius, coming up to her natal Saturn, and Transiting Neptune hits her Saturn smack on, suggesting she was double crossed, or lied to, perhaps trusting when she should not have someone. TR Hades is opposing TR Pluto and the Sun on that day, the 28th when last seen.
That would not be good for vitality and life.


Now, the question is, who took her by force? Pluto is force, and Hades is up to no good.
Has anyone gotten any further with the information I posted with a link from WJZ TV reports that she had contacted a Shelter and that the Shelter person contacted the police who came to get her?
What’s up with this??


I just noticed that TR Vesta is over her natal Pallas (shades of sexuality and attraction) and that Vesta is transiting conjunct fixed star "Fomalhaut" which we have seen before in the children's charts missing over the summertime in Az.
Two of them, Sylar and the other child the same week nearby. There have been many others too, I'll need to check who they were and post here later when I do.

Fomalhaut a Royal Persian Star - means, "An immortal name" and often can be seen to bring about events that puts a person in the news media or newspaper in some way in this century. Thousands of years ago the ancients noticed that when Fomalhaut was prominent, it meant "An Immortal name" in their midst.

We just hope of course today, it is not a name in infamy (like Sylar and the other children) but rather in finding someone after they go missing for awhile so a temporary time in the newspapers or media.

Look opposite this place in Pisces over to Virgo. You will see she has Chiron (inner wound) 8.55 degrees Virgo (the critical degree referred to sometimes as the "body in the ditch" degree) and it conjoins asteroid "Hopi" (ambushed)
This IS her natal chart.
And IF this actually happened to her, we might call it a "natal promise" that occurred when the transits were right to bring about and complete the promise.


Oftentimes however, we can read these symbols incorrectly, that's not hard to do actually, as astrology is a symbolic art subject to biased interpretation and that is what I meant earlier when I posted about Ascendents.

Not to say "this one or that one " is biased, that was not my intent at all. Just to objectively point out that it's easy to get lost in the symbology of it all, and we need to constantly be double checking our objectivity.

For instance, should "Hopi" or the conj. to Chiron in the "Body in the Ditch" degree be taken literally?

Sometimes it proves to be exactly so, other times, not so sure.

I'll post the Event chart to help along in the objectivity.


No, it doesn't appear at all to be a runaway case Boxermom.
Sadly.

Each chart we create we can add new and interesting data to see what comes up.
Some use the Arabic Lots and I seldom do. But I may later on in this case.

For now I’ll show you two variations of the “Last Seen chart” and in this 2nd one, I’ll insert the TNPs in only one of them.


In this case we are seeing Kronos & Hades in the 2nd
and 3rd, the “near future” is Hades 29th degree and Kronos in the 3rd house not sure, but very close to the apt. she was in.

Vulcanus (like it sounds) often said to be likened to Pluto is very destructive (like a volcano) and here it falls on the I/C cusp in the 4th house conjunct the cusp. This “appears to me for now” to say, “close to home” or where she was in Pikesville, outskirts

Baltimore City (north) and generally speaking can be a rough neighborhood. There are malls nearby. And she said (reportedly) she was hungry, and was leaving to get some food.

IF this was the case, you’d think we would see something in the 5th of self-indulgence, recreation, but we do not.

We see only Hopi meaning “ambush”

All those many planets in the 6th house.
Zeus (overpowering) conjunct Moon (the event co-ruler) same degree and within minutes.

Next, Saturn and the Vertex in this house.


Apollon means many. Meaning more then one of anything. Perhaps I should not have inserted the TNPs after all (see what I mean by we can confuse our symbology sometimes by our choices) it appears to be saying there are more then one here. Sometimes as I often take on these cases by myself, I do stick my neck out a bit too much "me thinks",
but yet I hate when a request goes unanswered and someone is missing, so I make the attempt regardless.:innocent: I know what it's like when your child is missing.
I'd rather take the chance and do something, and be wrong then, if the other choice is doing nothing. So forgive me if I am wrong in the end. I don't claim perfection here.

Venus ruler of the Chart in the 7th house of the other. Venus is nearing the 21st of Scorpio, a “Definite Loss” degree.
Venus conjuncts Atropos, so I don’t like it here. It’s too frightening actually.

As I move to the 8th house I know I don’t like it for certain, as we see Mercury the ruler of the 6th of decision making, in this house perhaps the killer conjunct Cupido and Vesta.
Then there is also the North Node (fate) and Lachesis in the same degree within minutes, and Lachesis decides the moment to die.
Pallas is here too, (premeditation?)

Part of Fortune in 21Aquarius, squares Venus the Ruler of the Chart or the young woman in question and also is semi-square to the Sun (possibly the event itself) found in the 9th between Mars & Pluto
Death and destruction to the physical body, is how it appears thus far.

Asteroids Astrae (a witness) and Persophone (abduction) in the 12th. Take that as you may……sounds to me to be literal.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3674/phyliciabarnesmissing16.gif

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1336/phyliciabarneslastseenc.gif

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3830/lastseenbyhalfsistersbf.gif



REST in PEACE Beautiful PHYLICIA.
We are so sorry for the Family. PRAYERS go out to them.


Have a look at LEOMOON's work which I've brought forward. Better look hard into the person who saw her last. Surprise attack, in or near apt, sexual implications.
(thanks LEOMOON)

Paulette
04-22-2011, 12:22 PM
Keisha has been found dead and buried in the bushland, 6 kilometers from home. The mother and step-father have been arrested.

Snipped from Fifth Essence post 814 in the 1st thread.

"There is a problem with the TIME & last seen info provided by the mother. A story has been concocted Neptune H6/ Mercury H12 opposition regarding her 'welfare.'

brief observation:
The Arabic Part of Death is found in Scorpio H2 (possessions, finances, step parent-opposite sex), it's ruler-Lord Pluto is in Capricorn H4 of Endings squaring it's Lord Saturn in H12 conjunct Mars (both planets in hard opposition to Jupiter) which rules H7 Aries (enemies/the perp?) where we find the Moon (feminine) in critical 13 degrees. THE MOTHER KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEN TO THIS CHILD."


And you were right. I'm amazed that you saw it (though I shouldn't be after all this time).

They were in close proximity to the grave in the woods when arrested - on Keisha's birthday.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/la...bWwmYWxsPTE%3D

http://www.news.com.au/national/keisha-abrahams-mother-kristi-abrahams-and-stepfather-robert-smith-charged-by-police-with-her-murder/story-e6frfkvr-1226043567131
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dreamweaver
04-27-2011, 06:24 PM
Background of case:
Cerilla Doyle has been missing for 2 1/2 years
from Bentonville, AR, 10/27/2008

date reported missing: 10/27/2008
dob: 9/02/1957
place of birth: unknown (AR)
7am approximately: she talks with daughter
9:30am: At Walmart in Jonesboro, AR, Cerilla bought a hoodie, a tote/gym bag and a hat. She got $1000.00 out of Walmart AtM.
12:00pm: friend from Pearidge PD stops by her home in Bentonville, AR.
4:49pm, daughter calls police dept to report her mother missing.
1:50am - 10/28/2008, bus leaves Jonesboro, AR to Tulsa, OK.

Cerilla Doyle was a sergeant in the Pea Ridge AR police department
for over 20 years. Her husband died in Feb. 2008, after a lengthy illness.
She started to see someone and then quit her job due the boyfriend who caused frequent problems while on the job.
The night before she disappeared, she was detained by Jonestown, AR police. This because her boyfriend drove her to the police dept and
allegedly said that Cerilla was upset and was carrying a gun.
She had a concealed weapon’s permit, but her gun was taken from her.
Cerilla’s daughter, who is a police dispatcher for Jonestown, AR police department, came to get her mom.
The daughter last spoke with her mom the next morning, 10/27/2008.
Daughter reports that her mom said she was going to do the bank, post office and would not have her cell phone with her.
When the daughter arrived home at 4:30pm, Cerilla was not there.
When she opened her mom’s bedroom door, all of Cerilla’s clothing was on the bed, identification, cell phone, and a power of attorney letter to her son. Two checks made out to her son and daughter, giving them her money.
Her car was left at the house.

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WAL MART TRIP 9:30am: (ATM and shopping)

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7366/screenshot002sz.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002sz.jpg/)

Such a tragic story.

A woman with a stellar career, yet brought down by her poor choice of a man.

Arrested, defamed and now missing.

Murder or /Suicide is the question, and we do not have her time of birth. However the event chart for the ATM withdrawal and Walmart purchases, appears to say a crisis indeed was at hand. 29 degrees 56 minutes is a crisis degree Rising and this chart in Scorpio, ruler being Mars (and modern ruler is Pluto) hence, death and violence very likely.

(2nd) Ruler of the chart found in the 12th is most unfortunate, for it’s the body evidence and conjunct Part of Fortune here in the hidden house of self-undoing.
Anubis, the asteroid depicting suicide is here in the 1st house 6 degrees away from the ASC. Venus conjuncts Antares then in the 1st, we see the Black Moon, Juno and Pluto. Certainly a man somewhere in the picture here, but in what capacity and his role, is the question.

The 2nd house cusp is 0Capricorn, so the close future to this chart, is dire as well.
Jupiter opposes the Vertex (a fated event) in the 8th house of Death.
Uranus in the 4th the “End of the Matter” house is in quincunx aspect to Mercury and the Moon . The Moon is exactly semi-sextile therefore, harmonious with Saturn as is her mindset.

The planetary arrangement shows her despair.

Lachesis is in the worse degree of the zodiac (so termed) for the vibration of 15Leo is so very harsh. Still another symbol pointing to her demise.
With Pallas Athena in Gemini, the indicator of a pre-meditated act, I’d think that the square it makes to both Saturn (woe) and Uranus (erratic and separating oneself) or because Pallas is in the 7th house of the other – it may be someone separating her from the loved ones.

What in the world happened that made this woman want to disappear forever? What did this man say about her to get her fired (as reported) on the thread?

I hope Dreamweaver is successful in getting more feedback on this chart, as I really don't know if the lady left town or not. It appears however, that the 3rd of short trips, gives us the hint that she did not go a long journey, (that would be house 9)
And Uranus in the 4th, suggests (to me) that she met her end near home.

Cerilla Doyle remains missing. One of the issues is that some things point to suicide,others to just leaving the area.
Suicide: She gives away her car and money to her two adult children.
She has never contacted her children, siblings or her mother since that date.
Leaving: She makes plans on the internet to leave on the bus. She shops at Walmart for new clothes. She turns over her car and money to her children. The police chief of Pea Ridge AR, her former boss, viewed the security camera footage at the bus depot and felt it was Cerilla. Family members feel the same.

Other details:
Her bf did not get her fired. She quit (forced to resign). The bf had caused problems for her on the job. She chose the bf over her job of over 20 years.
She was not arrested the night before she disappeared. She was held briefly at the police station until her daughter came to pick her up.
She did have a visitor around noon the day she disappeared. He was a former co worker.
The note left for her daughter, was innocuous.
It said, paraphrasing, water the plant, .....

Could she be alive?

Capri
04-28-2011, 11:36 PM
Searching for a chart on Krista Dittmeyer (now found deceased) & wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I think I remember one, but not positive...help Astros :)

FifthEssence
04-29-2011, 12:40 AM
Searching for a chart on Krista Dittmeyer (now found deceased) & wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I think I remember one, but not positive...help Astros :)

Krista's charts were not posted.

FifthEssence
05-02-2011, 02:09 PM
SOULSCAPE had been working on the Last Seen charts (10m & 11am) along with the neighbor reporting the dogs possibly stolen 1PM same day as well as the Reported Missing charts and had privately relayed the following:



The Event charts for the boys show SUN in the 11th House in both charts = event not planned / accidental / death in family all possibilites.
In addition, I can tell you REPORTED MISSING 9:00 AM Monday 4/25/2011 does not look good. Lord 8 SATURN 12 Libra RX opposite VENUS Lord 5 Children. MERCURY Lord 4 End of Matter critical (13 Aries) semisq NEPTUNE (disappearance) and opposite Lord 8 SATURN. MARS is also Lord 11 of Disaster/Unplanned Events/ Accidents, etc.

MOON 10 Aquarius semisq MISFortune (Pisces), sesquiquad SOUTH NODE and will square DEATH exactly before going VOC.)

The testimonies are numerous and dire. An example, REPORTED MISSING MOON 10 Aquarius partile conjunct A. Mitchell's natal URANUS 10 Aquarius (and partile opposed his n. ASC 10 Leo) with RM SUN 05 Taurus conj. his n. MC 04 Taurus. POSEIDON associated with drowning 09:29 Scorpio conj. RM VERTEX (Fate) 08:56 Scorpio and square A. Mitchell's n. ASC/URANUS opposition 10 Leo/Aquarius. RM 12H cusp 11:39 Taurus also close square A. Mitchell's ASC/URANUS opposition. URANUS = unplanned for, accidental, disaster. Accidental (URANUS, Aquarius) drowning (NEPTUNE, Pisces).

There were several indicators involving A. Russell as well, starting with RM ASC 18 Gemini conj. A. Russell's Tertiary Progressed SUN 19 Gemini & conj. his n. MOON 20 Gemini & opposed his n. SUN 21 Sag. RM Part of MISFORTUNE 23 Pisces close sq. A. Russell's n. SUN 21 Sag.

One of the boys or one of the dogs got into trouble in the water & the other three jumped in to save. A horribly tragic ending for all.......... may they rest in peace with the Angels.

Paulette
05-05-2011, 04:32 PM
A Dutch engineer has admitted killing the landscape architect Joanna Yeates, whose body was found by a roadside verge near the village of Failand, Somerset, on Christmas morning last year.


"Outside court, Detective Chief Inspector Jones said: "The not guilty plea to Joanna Yeates' murder, entered by Vincent Tabak today at the Old Bailey, means that there will be a full trial in due course. Tabak has entered a plea to manslaughter, however this has not been accepted by the crown.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/05/joanna-yeates-neighbour-admits-killing

Leomoon80
05-05-2011, 07:14 PM
TimeLine
________________________________________
Sep.21, Monday - Brian arrives @ family home in Carrollton,GA

Sep.22, Tuesday - ? nothing mentioned for this day.

Sep.23, Wednesday - Had dinner with sister. spoke withboyfriend
9:30p.

Sep.24, Thursday - 2a.m. last seen by neighbors of family home.
9a.m. Brian misses family meeting(reason he is in
Carrollton).
3:17p.m. record of Brian paying water bill, but no one
at water co. remembers/recognizes him.

Sep.25, Friday family calls police after not hearing from brian.

Brians cellphone, clothing, toiletries, money & heart
medication left behind at his parents home. family says it
would appear that he was coming back.

Sep.26, Saturday - Brian was to travel to Jacksonville, Florida to see
another of his sisters. Trip had been pre-arranged.


Dec.2nd - Brians car found parked on Judson Lane with stolen lic. plates.

none of brians financial accounts or cellphone have been used. the car was found on dec. 2nd. parked on Judson lane., Chattanooga, TN with stolen lic. plates.(plates were reported stolen on Oct.14th). car was left in the same condition as brian left it with a taco bell reciept and a book in the front seat.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2...n-chattanooga/
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Leomoon80
05-05-2011, 07:18 PM
Brian had in his natal chart, the aspect Mars square Uranus which means he would be subject to some unusual or strange occurrences in life that may take him away from his loved ones. Estrange him , so to speak, from them as his natal Mars was “in Fall” in the sign of Cancer and inharmonious to Uranus the “strange” planet of separations.

Secondarily had his Sun square to Pluto which doesn’t in and of itself bring about any dire circumstance or have such a promise of same, but moreso, the square of Mars to Uranus I think is where I’d focus in on this chart. Sun square Pluto however can put the person more likely in the crosshairs of a combative other in life.
Note that Transiting Uranus at 24Pisces was also opposing his natal Pluto at 24Virgo at this time.

On the last day Brian was seen, the Sun was located at 1Libra, a critical degree in this cardinal sign, and it made a conjunction to Brian’s natal Moira (also at 1Libra) Moira is a symbol of the Greeks which is comprised of 3 sisters all of them having to do with death, the length of life and the fate and cutting the life short, the others being Atropos (the thread of life) and Lachesis (the dreaded shears cutting the life off)

In Brians’ case, we see that Transiting Lachesis and the Sun were conj. his natal Uranus, and remember I mentioned above that his Mars at birth was square to Uranus, hence, “triggering” this natal promise.
Someone killed him. That’s obvious because Anubis is not operative so this is not a suicide, but a murder, imo.

Lachesis picks the time of one’s death., and it was not Brian doing the choosing.

Checking further, we see asteroid BAM at 15Cancer with Asteroid Lachesis at 24Cancer being Transited on 9/24/09, by “fate” Moira and Mars, effectively triggering that Mars square Uranus and Lachesis (death or life cut short) via gunshot (BAM)

Pluto was transiting at this time in the critical 0 degree of Capricorn, and squaring transiting Sun in 1Libra. The North Node of the moon that day can be seen at 27Capricorn along with Black Moon Lililth, always a darker omen, which puts the South Node at the opposite pole at 27Cancer which conjuncts his natal Venus & Lachesis.

I’d say those people he referred to as “Interesting people”, are the key and clue to his death.

Somewhere, sometime during that drive he made contact with people who did him harm, and brought about his death would be my best astrological guess here, although of course, having his time of birth we may see more of the various symbols and give more information along these lines.

Frigga
05-05-2011, 09:59 PM
Very sad for Brian and his family. I hope the perp or perps are caught and brought to justice. Does anything in the chart indicate more than one person being involved?

OT- Good to see you back Leomoon! You are always missed, as are your chart interpretations and explanations! I hope you had a wonderful trip~ Frigga

Leomoon80
05-05-2011, 11:18 PM
Very sad for Brian and his family. I hope the perp or perps are caught and brought to justice. Does anything in the chart indicate more than one person being involved?

OT- Good to see you back Leomoon! You are always missed, as are your chart interpretations and explanations! I hope you had a wonderful trip~ Frigga

Thank you Frigga, glad to be back.

Brian was reportedly last seen by a neighbor at 2AM near his the family home.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5696/brianwehrlelastseenchar.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/brianwehrlelastseenchar.gif/)

On Thursday, Jupiter’s day which is exalted in Cancer the Rising sign this A.M. morn. 21 degrees nearing the 22nd degree is one of self’s own undoing. What could he have done that turned to be his undoing? This is the question here.


Brian’s own Mars is in Cancer, and his Venus is 26Cancer conjunct fixed star Procyon for which Constellation of Words gives the following notations:

“According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mercury and Mars; to Simmonite, of Venus and Mars, which is probably a misprint; and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Uranus. It gives activity, violence, sudden and violent malevolence, sudden preferment by exertion, elevation ending in disaster, danger of dog bites and hydrophobia, and makes its natives petulant, saucy, giddy, weak-natured, timid, unfortunate, proud, easily angered, careless and violent. Two cases are on record of death or injury by dog bite in which Procyon and Sirius are involved. [Robson*, p.191.]

I’m looking particularly (since it was a Jupiter ruled day, being Thursday) at Jupiter and it’s relationship to this star itself, Venus conj as Venus people do like their friends and in Brian’s case, he met some new people.
Note that Uranus is part of the traits given by Alvidas along with Jupiter and the Moon. Meaning, “akin to”…..or “in sync with”.
Jupiter then, tends to “overdo” leaps often without thinking first, the moon covers emotions that are dependent upon outer catalysts, whereas Uranus is the strange and/or unexpected events in life.

These 3 then seem to have played a large role in Brian’s disappearance, imo.

The likelihood of Venus in connection with the other symbols seems to lead me in this direction of thinking.

With Hopi in the 1st house of this 2AM chart, it appears he was kidnapped or taken , not long after 2AM and with Atropos near Hopi, killed soon thereafter. Perhaps a “ruse” of these new people he thought might be a new potential friend?

Notice the POF in the 10th, conj. the cusp of the 11th of friendships , conjunct Menkar near the Eye of Cetus (the Sea Monster) which promotes one to be in the center of other’s attentions. "Zyntara" ezine, the online star and constellation blog wrote an article you may be able to find online, if you google Cetus (Darrlyn Gunzburg and Zyntara) may find it.

People in the “eye of Cetus” tend to be exactly that. So I think his fortune for this time frame was in the eye of others who took advantage perhaps of his willingness to trust them, and openness of the Uranian spirit.

The MC a very important angle to this chart gives the following at 8-9Aries:
The astrological influences of the star Algenib
Of the nature of Mars and Mercury. It gives notoriety, dishonor, violence, misfortune
This does not bode well either for his safety at this hour as we see the Asteroid BAM conjunct this star at this designated hour.

The connection to Brian’s own natal chart is his Chiron at 9Aries which opposes spiritual and hopefully “lucky” Jupiter putting his as less then good luck, and his Chiron in the natal also squares Venus.

We’ve already talked about his Venus vibrations not working in his favor, nor Uranus nor now, his Chiron & Jupiter. Overall, the chart is marked with as many have, lessons along the lines of these particular planets and their overall vibrations here, puts him in a time and place of bad luck along these lines.

We also see near the Ascendant of this chart, the opposing karmic force of the South Node the Dragon’s Tail, which is never a good omen for health, wealth or happiness.

Mars conj. Moira in the 12th, says his body is well hidden.
Perhaps the locational Astrologers, those whose skills are well honed towards finding in the charts the symbols of where a body can be found can help in this regard.
The 12th is about hidden things, Mars bodes negatively for any hope of life. With Moira here,I do not believe he is in the physical plane any longer.

I also see that the 3rd house of short trips and communication, has Saturn which restricts him in this 2AM last seen chart. If this is indeed the time and place last seen then he may have been driven much further as Uranus is in the 9th, the opposite house of long distance travel. Pluto squares both Uranus and Saturn boding ill for his welfare at this hour.

It’s also rather disconcerting to see the Yod (Finger of God aspect) comprised of Mars (the lesser Malefic) and Saturn, (the Greater Malefic) along with Jupiter (Ruler of the Day) and the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Cancer – puts great emphasis along these lines and planets that someone or people decided (6th house ruler is Jupiter) that Brian would be murdered (8th house Jupiter) and possibly his vehicle was stolen then.

FifthEssence
05-06-2011, 05:20 AM
UPDATE: Our deepest sympathies and prayers go out to the Family of young DEVON whose body was recovered near the Townsend Dam on the Beaver River May 5th.
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/05/05/news/doc4dc2dcfd5c3de038323298.txt

By all accounts in researching this young fella, he was well liked by his peers, easy going by nature and very much loved by his Aunt who brought him up since very early childhood. No one had any idea he was in distress. Heartbreaking when we hear of young people taking their own lives.

Thank you SOULSCAPE for the chart work. Sadly, the analysis told the likely tale of his fate.

May DEVON rest in Peace.


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This 18 year old college student was last seen leaving a Geneva College dining hall around 8:00 pm on Thursday, 1/20/2011.

News reports state he had posted a Facebook message about having a problem and saying no one could help him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DEVONMINORLastSeen120118pm.jpg

The chart gives cause for concern.


1) ASCENDANT is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality.


2) ALGOL 26:19 Taurus conjuncts the MIDHEAVEN. This Fixed Star is notorious for 'losing one's head, either literally or figuratively.' The MIDHEAVEN shows what comes before the Public Eye.


3) The same sign is on the 1st and 2nd House cusps, suggesting that the 1st House person (Devon) knowingly walked into whatever came next; i.e., for whatever reason, he made a conscious decision to 'go forward.' This testimony is corroborated by the EQ (secondary Ascendant) placement in the 22nd degree of Leo --- the degree of being one's own worst enemy, and posited in the 12th House of Self-Undoing.

4) SUN the Event is posited at 00 Aquarius, close conjunct MARS 03 Aquarius in the 5th House of Actions Taken. MARS itself, associated with violence, also symbolizes actions taken and, in Aquarius, gives a detached quality. Here we see that the Event / Action Taken is based on something ruled by the 12th House (Leo on the cusp), again pointing back to Self-Undoing.

5) SUN is quindecile MOON (165 degrees), an angle of extreme compulsion/ obsession/ stress. There is a perhaps 'pressure-cooker' impulse to act (SUN conj. MARS) against the best interests of oneself (SUN quindecile MOON) or perhaps to destroy/ quash/ obliviate the emotions (MOON) one may be enduring. MOON's 12th House placement suggests a deep sorrow and/or 'imprisonment' of some sort, strengthened by her exact opposition to the Arabic Part of FORTUNE 16 Aquarius. Moreover, FORTUNE itself is quindecile ASCENDANT, further supporting that Devon was under unfathomable stress at the time he was Last Seen.

6) Lord 1 MERCURY (Devon) at 09 Capricorn applies square Arabic Part of DEATH 11 Aries (not shown). Death in Aries can be by one's own hand. The Arabic Part of SUICIDE1 00 Libra (not shown) is posited in the 2nd House of the Near Future. It is partile trine the SUN and opposes JUPITER in anaretic (last ditch; 'end of its rope') degree (29 Pisces). JUPITER is the traditional Lord of Pisces, the sign on the 8th House of Death in this chart, and is strong, posited within.

On a JUPITER Day in a JUPITER Hour, we can only reluctantly conclude an unhappy ending, unless Devon's natal chart can counter some of this unfortunate testimony.

Should anyone come across his Date of Birth, please let us know.

Sadly,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
05-06-2011, 07:13 PM
This is just my attempt to read a Horary I asked on this baffling case.
Please refer to the link for the Victims (between 2005-09) all found in the general location of Jennings LA.

Hover over the pictures to get the info about each woman:

All victims and info here: http://picasaweb.google.com/NISIMDAPICASA1/FBI8VictimsJenningsLouisianaMurderedMay2005Through August2009#

HORARY CHART:
note: All alternate or similar views on the Horary are appreciated.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9998/whokilled9womeninjennin.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/whokilled9womeninjennin.gif/)


Ruler of the ASC is Mercury found in the 7th and since the one asking is the Astrologer, in the appropriate house and inquiry appropriate sign . Chart appears to be radical.

Mercury conjuncts Venus, Mars and Jupiter, but opposes Saturn in the 1st house – and is restricted there.
The many bodies may be seen by Mars conj. Jupiter in the 8th house of Death, and the Sun at 16Taurus may be the perpetrator in the sign of brute force and in the “Stare of Cetus”, probably known to many people including these women but the Stare of Cetus the Sea Monster also suggests in the "public eye" as his crimes certainly are and have been.


The signifier of the chart's answer, Moon is at the MC conj. the South Node and may suggest he is dead. The SN being malefic, and the Moon being the sub-ruler of the chart and answer – with Sun in the 8th of Death.

The POF sextiles Pluto – the fortune ties with the control planet and planet of life & death issues.
Juno in the 12th suggests rage, jealousy and abuse of power Trine the Sun in the 8th house.

Although it appears the killings connected have stopped since 2009, logic tells us he can be of course in prison or dead, but this chart suggests a suicide.

Anubis at the MC conj. the Moon with opposing Pluto in the 4th of Endings.

All Angles are the same degree as the Nodes, an important sign of fate and here, potentially death seems reasonable to assume.

mahmoo
05-06-2011, 09:34 PM
THANK YOU so much for that chart Leomoon80!!! Very, very much appreciated.
Can you possibly elaborate on the "abuse of power" part?

Leomoon80
05-07-2011, 01:38 AM
THANK YOU so much for that chart Leomoon80!!! Very, very much appreciated.
Can you possibly elaborate on the "abuse of power" part?

Juno in the 12th has certain keywords, and abuse of power is one of them.
Each planet and asteroid has certain traits attributed to them.
For Juno like the planets themselves, not all are positive traits, some are negative ones.
I've given the negative ones because of the chart's question, we are looking to learn about the one who took control of these girls and took their lives.

Makes sense, seeing the Sun (the attacker) trine Juno in the 12th.


Astrology is mostly a symbolic language, and we try to read the symbols as we go along for the story line.

The 12th house is typically seen as a house of no power or control, one of being kept prisoner (literally or metaphorically speaking), a house (or state of mind) that represses rather then enhances.

Any planet in the 12th has less potential of gaining power or control.

The Sun (the attacker) is trine (a harmonious aspect) to Juno,but in the 12th, my feeling is that it is reflecting his keeping the women hostage, and the rage or inner rage he expressed towards them, ultimately come back to him and haunted him.

This chart may be seen by another Astrologer in either the same way overall or perhaps differently, but I think all will see it as a strange chart, in light of those strong symbols of Pluto, Anubis, the Moon and the Nodes, not to mention the Angles all the same late degree.

It's rather startling to see and appeared to me to say he is gone.

dreamweaver
05-09-2011, 03:37 PM
Thank you Frigga, glad to be back.

Brian was reportedly last seen by a neighbor at 2AM near his the family home.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5696/brianwehrlelastseenchar.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/brianwehrlelastseenchar.gif/)

On Thursday, Jupiter’s day which is exalted in Cancer the Rising sign this A.M. morn. 21 degrees nearing the 22nd degree is one of self’s own undoing. What could he have done that turned to be his undoing? This is the question here.


Brian’s own Mars is in Cancer, and his Venus is 26Cancer conjunct fixed star Procyon for which Constellation of Words gives the following notations:


I’m looking particularly (since it was a Jupiter ruled day, being Thursday) at Jupiter and it’s relationship to this star itself, Venus conj as Venus people do like their friends and in Brian’s case, he met some new people.
Note that Uranus is part of the traits given by Alvidas along with Jupiter and the Moon. Meaning, “akin to”…..or “in sync with”.
Jupiter then, tends to “overdo” leaps often without thinking first, the moon covers emotions that are dependent upon outer catalysts, whereas Uranus is the strange and/or unexpected events in life.

These 3 then seem to have played a large role in Brian’s disappearance, imo.

The likelihood of Venus in connection with the other symbols seems to lead me in this direction of thinking.

With Hopi in the 1st house of this 2AM chart, it appears he was kidnapped or taken , not long after 2AM and with Atropos near Hopi, killed soon thereafter. Perhaps a “ruse” of these new people he thought might be a new potential friend?

Notice the POF in the 10th, conj. the cusp of the 11th of friendships , conjunct Menkar near the Eye of Cetus (the Sea Monster) which promotes one to be in the center of other’s attentions. "Zyntara" ezine, the online star and constellation blog wrote an article you may be able to find online, if you google Cetus (Darrlyn Gunzburg and Zyntara) may find it.

People in the “eye of Cetus” tend to be exactly that. So I think his fortune for this time frame was in the eye of others who took advantage perhaps of his willingness to trust them, and openness of the Uranian spirit.

The MC a very important angle to this chart gives the following at 8-9Aries:
The astrological influences of the star Algenib
Of the nature of Mars and Mercury. It gives notoriety, dishonor, violence, misfortune
This does not bode well either for his safety at this hour as we see the Asteroid BAM conjunct this star at this designated hour.

The connection to Brian’s own natal chart is his Chiron at 9Aries which opposes spiritual and hopefully “lucky” Jupiter putting his as less then good luck, and his Chiron in the natal also squares Venus.

We’ve already talked about his Venus vibrations not working in his favor, nor Uranus nor now, his Chiron & Jupiter. Overall, the chart is marked with as many have, lessons along the lines of these particular planets and their overall vibrations here, puts him in a time and place of bad luck along these lines.

We also see near the Ascendant of this chart, the opposing karmic force of the South Node the Dragon’s Tail, which is never a good omen for health, wealth or happiness.

Mars conj. Moira in the 12th, says his body is well hidden.
Perhaps the locational Astrologers, those whose skills are well honed towards finding in the charts the symbols of where a body can be found can help in this regard.
The 12th is about hidden things, Mars bodes negatively for any hope of life. With Moira here,I do not believe he is in the physical plane any longer.

I also see that the 3rd house of short trips and communication, has Saturn which restricts him in this 2AM last seen chart. If this is indeed the time and place last seen then he may have been driven much further as Uranus is in the 9th, the opposite house of long distance travel. Pluto squares both Uranus and Saturn boding ill for his welfare at this hour.

It’s also rather disconcerting to see the Yod (Finger of God aspect) comprised of Mars (the lesser Malefic) and Saturn, (the Greater Malefic) along with Jupiter (Ruler of the Day) and the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Cancer – puts great emphasis along these lines and planets that someone or people decided (6th house ruler is Jupiter) that Brian would be murdered (8th house Jupiter) and possibly his vehicle was stolen then.

Leomoon: Thank you for your time with this chart.
Is there any way of knowing if he will be found?
Does the chart show where he might be located?
Thank you again.

Leomoon80
05-23-2011, 09:57 PM
A very baffling case made moreso because we do not have Gail's time of birth which may help a great deal to decipher these symbolic planets and asteroids on the day she went missing.

See background here:
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May 15, 2011 6:14 PM
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http://www.newschannel9.com/news/palmgren-1001216-nichols-last.html




The family of Gail Nowaki Palmgren, 44, has been continuing to search for the missing Signal Mountain mother since she was noticed missing April 30.

Diane Nichols drove to Tennessee from New York with her husband Dan a week ago, trying to find out what happened to her sister. "We distributed close to ten thousand fliers already and no body has even spotted her vehicle."

Nichols says neighbors last saw Gail Palmgren dropping off her 9-year-old and 12-year-old children at home on the 30th. No one has heard from her since. Nichols says that is highly uncharacteristic of her sister. "She has her doctorate degree. She's sharp, she's well balanced and she loved her children."

Gail Palmgren's whereabouts are a mystery that has only been intensified by her last conversation with her sister Diane, moments before Palmgren was last seen.

"She was nervous. She was anxious. She sounded scared," says Diane Nichols. Palmgren wouldn't say why she was scared but the Nichols made out this much, "She just thought she was being followed."

It was a bizzare conversation and Diane wonders if it's in any way connected to Gail's husband, Matthew Palmgren. "I know they had some marriage problems

This is the reported "Last Seen" by a neighbor leaving her home chart from Tennessee, after returning back with the children that morning from Alabama, her Lake Front home where she had spent the previous day.

Her neighbor there in Alabama, said she didn't say goodbye and left in a hurry that morning:

http://www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14698557

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I do not know nor was it yet verified that her sister spoke to her as well around this time, but we can see the Ruler or Moon in the 9th of long distances, conjunct to Venus. The question is, was Gail planning on driving a long distance for she left her children (ages 9-12) in the house, other important things like her driver’s license, so it certainly appears that is not the case, but she probably expected to be home again in a short time.

Why then, would she have left before her husband arrived to meet the children ?

But as it goes, we do not have that knowledge, only that about this point in time, the neighbor says she saw her friend leaving the house in her Jeep.
I’m afraid what awaited Gail however, was the abduction, but I cannot tell from what street corner, only that Hopi, the asteroid for “Ambush” , awaited her shortly after leaving, as Hopi moved into the 1st house -approx. 1 hr. later, and relevant to this chart’s Ruler Cancer or (Moon) and the “end of the matter” in this case, her disappearance may indeed be related to Hopi.

By 1PM, Hopi was here in the 1st House and that is very important to know, because this is approx. the time and it was approx.. at 1PM or 1:15PM that Pallas (pre-meditated acts) moves into place on the D/C (others) cusp of the 7th house, to join this very important cusp and fixed star ARMUS, a star known for a contentious nature, and trouble.
The planets and/or asteroids on this cusp on the 7th house would provide clues as to who met up with her or the nature of that person or persons.

It is also approximately at 1:45 that the Sun which appears in the 10th house and quincunx to Saturn
in the 3rd (Gail’s predicament) moves to join the MC and this inconjunction aspect (called a Quincunx) appears to seal her fate (Saturn) more exactly.

At 1:45PM or approx. 1 ½ hrs. later from the posted chart , Saturn in the 3rd house of this chart then makes an exact opposition to the Moon at 11 degrees 56minutes, still in the 9th house

In this event chart (12:15PM) the neighbor (a witness Astrae) found in the “house of circumstance” or 11th house along with Tisiphone (exacting revenge in the family or justice asteroid 466) along with Persophone, (abduction) is here along with Astrae (a witness) perhaps to a crime.

All 3 are conjunct the Weeping Sisters, a constellation called the Pleiades , bringing about something to weep about in life.
This is a constellation of 7 sisters (stars) so termed, but of course has many more then 7 in the constellation, but usually gives us the understanding that anything wrapped up within this constellation with usually not turn out good, but instead, the opposite or “very sad”…….

Here are some references from Constellation of Words , about the Pleiades from more ancient sources, and as you can readily see, it is not a good omen to have in an event chart:


Pleiades culminating: Disgrace, ruin, violent death. If with the luminaries it makes its natives military captains, commanders, colonels of horse and emperors. [Robson*, p183.]
The Pleiades causes bereavement, mourning, sorrows and tragedies. [The Living Stars, Dr. Eric Morse, p.39.]
Pleiades Rising: disgrace, wounds, stabs (operations nowadays), exile, imprisonment, sickness, violent fevers, quarrels, violent lust, military preferment. If at the same time the Sun is in opposition either to the Ascendant or to Mars, violent death. [Robson*, p.182].

Note: The Sun is not in opposition to Mars, however, it IS Quincunx, (just as bad) to another known Malefic, i.e. Saturn!....Saturn is the greater malefic while Mars is called the lesser malefic. Both in harsh aspect are bad when connected in harsh aspect to the Pleiades via a planet or a Light such as the Sun is.

If we look at the 6th house of Decision Making, we find it ruled by Jupiter (found in Aries, in the degree of self-undoing, the 22nd degree conjunct Mars in Aries, in the degree of “a loss”) and opposed to the cusp of the 4th house of home life.
Pluto in the 6th, exacts control and we can see in the graph below the chart that Pluto makes a square aspect to 5 planets (a death) via force and control in Facies, (ruthlessness) while Pluto makes a harmonious Trine to the Sun itself (mission accomplished)

As to the final determination of whether this was a suicide or a murder, I’d still like to see the time of her birth for a final rundown on the Arabic Lots.

Using what we have at hand for a timed event (the 12:15 Last Seen chart) The Sunrise places and Solar Return for this year for Gail:

Part of a Suicide (1) is Cancer 20°36’ conjunct Gail’s Natal midpoint between Jupiter & Anubis
Part of a Suicide (2) is Virgo 21°35’ conjunct Event chart “BAM”
Part of Murder or Assassination (1) Scorpio 27°59’ opposed to Tisiphone (revenge) and Astrae (witness) in the 11th of the Event chart
Part of Murder or Assassination (2)Aries 19°51’ conjunct Mars & the MC in the Event Chart


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Leomoon80
05-23-2011, 10:16 PM
As you can see from the above post, I'm leaning more in the direction of having been ambushed then a suicide which is what her husband has been suggesting, that she was depressed. I'm sure she was depressed and it showed by the various text messages and cell phone calls (at least one or two to her sister), as well telling the neighbor she was being followed.

In cases like this, we try to look to the Natal Chart of one's birth to see whether there may be signs of serious depression that one might be inclined toward, or even if there is the serious possibility of danger to harm oneself.

Sometimes we can see the patterns such as in this case with formations between certain planets, their symbols known to Astrologers for trouble, yet in Gail's case, we really do need her time of birth for it's quite difficult to see IF she herself brought the harm upon herself, or another did so.
Thus far, I'm leaning towards "another bringing harm to Gail" and that is why I've mentioned the ambush asteroid and inserted it into the event chart for she was seriously concerned about being followed and her neighbor now says she did see a vehicle in their neighborhood stopping in front of various homes and thought back, to what Gail had been telling her all along. Giving more credance to her after noting the car and Gail's disappearance.

Until we come upon her time of birth, we'll have to make do with this
Sunrise Chart:

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9678/gailsunrisenatal.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/gailsunrisenatal.gif/)

I do not see anything here in Gail’s natal Sunrise chart at first glance, (I’d rather have her time of birth of course) that would suggest a suicide, (caveat would be the time of birth chart) but after examination of the Arabic Lots for the Event of 12:15 or Last Seen driving away, there is plenty that gives me pause, both in the correspondences to her natal (tob unknown) and for both possibility of Suicide or murder.

As strange as this may sound to us, we have to remember that each of us has a Black Moon Lilith shadow that pursues us relentlessly in our lives. For Gail, in her natal chart it was 9Aries.

The noted astrologer Demetra George has said this about Lilith and the Black Moon : The Dark Moon Lilith describes our period of exile where the rejected shadow becomes distorted by the anguish of our pain. As it festers it poisons our psyche with images of revenge and retaliation. The Black Moon Lilith describes how and where we cut away our pretensions, false roles, and delusions and actualize our true, essential selves.

I’m afraid I cannot tell you whether this was one or the other, but perhaps together we can unravel and go through the finer points of the charts and even rework them, especially if we get her time of birth (crucial, in this case) IMO


Gail had a KITE formation in her natal chart when born, which points to a possibility of an event totally unforeseen, unplanned (Uranus) and even an abduction (Uranus conj. Pluto) would be possible and entirely within the scheme of the natal chart. There are also, indications I did not see until later, (the Arabic lots) that points to her end by her own hand and that is why I need the time of birth to try and decipher one versus the other here.

If we look to both natal promises, and the critical or sensitive places in this Sunrise natal chart, we see

1)Sun Pisces 27 degrees conj. “Fixed Star Scheat” possibility of drowning, or near drownings
2)Mars in it’s own sign - Scorpio semi-square to Pluto today’s Ruler
3)Saturn very critical and rx – at birth – 1Aries and quincunx to Mars (that is a critical Saturn by virtue of it’s degree in the sign of Saturn’s FALL)adding a quincunx to the lesser malefic Mars to the greater Malefic, (Saturn) suggesting something would befall her, that would be dangerous to the body itself., probability of violence and/or murder or bringing it upon herself as there is also the subconscious when we see squares that is affected.
The KITE formation is very troubling with the planetary aspects involved.


The Sun in sensitive Pisces a water sign, in a critical place (conj. Scheat) and besieged by Chiron in close conjunction for much pain and an inner wounding coming to the forefront, as well as being connected to Saturn in close conjunction to the Sun.
We see one part of the Kite is Neptune near the very critical degree of Scopio, or near the 25th degree at 24.14 degrees Scorpio is not good and some say it's a degree of murder . Subject to being deceived in life via Neptune and triggering this Kite’s energies.

We also see Jupiter in the same or the 24th degree on another leg of this KITE, between JUNO (marriage, jealousy and partner) and on the other side, Anubis (suicidal tendencies possible) or depression. HOWEVER, with the Apex of Uranus/Pluto the energies of this KITE seem to suggest that the abduction mentioned in the prior chart seems more the likely to me but seeing the time of birth chart can then very possibly swing this opinion in the other direction.


The large stellium of planets going over her natal Saturn, Black Moon Lilith, Tisiphone, and natal Venus appears to be triggering the KITE formation into action.

We also can see her natal Persophone 18Pisces (the asteroid named after the daughter of Ceres, kidnapped by Pluto in Greek mythology) is being triggered by transiting Ceres – and opposition to TR Juno (partner, jealousy, marriage) which is conjunct her natal PLUTO/Asteroid BAM Tr. At 21deg.41min. Virgo over Uranus.
The Kite when triggered was her natal promise. We each have one or many.

TR Moira (fate) over natal Neptune says she was fooled by someone or possibly is in the water as a 1:45PM chart is Scorpio at the I/C cusp a water sign., and remember her Sun is conj. Scheat in Water .


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Leomoon80
05-24-2011, 01:42 PM
Lutricia Steele WS
She went missing from Schenectady NY 5/1/2008.

DOB: 01/26/1980
Place of birth: Schenectady, NY
Date missing 5/1/2008
Time last seen: approximately 2pm, 5/1/2008


Brought over from the Case Request board:

I hope one of our WS astrologers can take a look at Lutricia Steele’s chart.

http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_LutriciaSteele.pdf
http://newyorkstatemissingpersons.ning.com/photo/lutricia-steele-schenectady?context=album&albumId=2551950%3AAlbum%3A2395
http://www.nampn.org/cases/steele_lutrica.html

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The natal promise of Regulus, was triggered for this fall – when Saturn transited and repeated (rx) over her natal North Node conjunct “Regulus”.
She was born on Saturn’s Day, a Saturday, so Saturn gains prominence in this lifetime as it appears in the chart at 26 degrees Virgo rx square to Neptune, trine Sun & Moon and sextile to Uranus.

The Sextile to Uranus suggests that this ending for her was “in harmony with the Sextile” or harmoniously attuned to a unexpected end which Uranus usually suggests through deceptive means, i.e. Neptune which is in aspect to Uranus.
Someone deceived (fooled her) into meeting them and the purpose was deceptive and deadly in the end.

Note: Her Uranus is 25Scorpio, termed a degree of murder. Gail Palmgren’s own Neptune was near this degree as well, and being transited (triggered) the day she disappeared. For Gail, it was Sextile to Pluto in her natal, as well transited by Moira, but for this lady, Lutricia, Uranus in this critical degree is square to the North Node (fated) and opposed to her natal Moon.

Sensitive and critical places in the natal charts which alert us to issues that need awareness.

Hopi for ambush at 16Aquarius,
Tisiphone (revenge in a family) at a critical degree of 13Capricorn conj. her natal Moira (Greek asteroid for fate)
TR Moira : 13Aries which squares exactly asteroid Tisiphone, suggesting revenge is the motive within the family construct.




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Leomoon80
05-24-2011, 01:49 PM
Event Chart Last Seen:

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4769/lutriciaevent.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/lutriciaevent.gif/)

Day of Jupiter (a Thursday) with Jupiter at 22nd deg. Capricorn, a self-undoing critical degree, suggests that Lutrecia, told someone she was pregnant, and someone obviously would have to pay big time for this baby. (5th house contains planet Jupiter in the house of children, square Venus and opposed to Mars. Mars being the killer and found in the 11th house conj. fixed stars in PROCYON (CANIS MINOR) THE LESSER DOG CONSTELLATION.
Note that Saturn is the Ruler of this 5th house, found on the Ascendant, and showing the death of the fetus or child, as well as the mother.
Description from Constellation of Words suggests :

Procyon has a Mars-Mercury nature and therefore makes people hasty, jealous, pig-headed. But it also confers will-power and ability to put thoughts and plans into action. According to tradition there is also a tendency to a hot temper and impudence. Rise and success are found with it, but fall from high position later, is indicated. Enterprises created in haste therefore do not last. People who "want to go through the wall with their head" only cause injury to themselves. Procyon gives drive and a good sharp mind. Linked with positive stellar bodies, success is made greater, but the native, in order to avoid a fiasco, has always to take care not to be imprudent. Especially dangerous is Procyon configured with Mars and Pluto.

Since Virgo 3 deg. is rising, (Puts Fomalhaut on the opposing cusp) we look for the Ruler Mercury found at the MC (public place) and conjunct in Perseus, the right arm of the champion which raises an arm to cut off Medusa’s head.
So this is a very negative star and suggests the event we are looking to, at 2PM in this time and place, led to a murder .


The opposing cusp of the perpetrator is 3Pisces placing it in the realm of connecting to fixed star Fomalhaut bringing about much controversy with this disappearance and as often the case with Fomalhaut, the "Immortal Name" that is promised with this star in modern days talk and newspaper articles, etc. often leaves an unresolved (no arrest made) case.


Looking to the perpetrator or the 7th house Ruler, we find Neptune in the 6th of Decisions, in Aquarius, and there is “no love for this woman here – ruler of the 6th is Saturn, (bringing the arm of karmic justice down) as he saw it to be. A rendering decision made, of not deserving to live.

Saturn is near the ASC, but in the 12th house so the body is hidden, and conjunct Regulus at 1Virgo.

Juno (revenge/jealousy/abuse of power and rage ) is conj. Pluto (death) and conj. the 5th house cusp of lovers and children.

Black Moon Lilith 2SAG, has only inharmony in aspects, and of course, Lilith in mythology killed babies
In the 4th “End of the Matter house”….BML squares the ASC & opposes the MC , Opposite Mercury, Quincunx Venus and squares Saturn in the 12th on the angle, suggests this was a vicious murder


The Star associated at this degree of the Black Moon, 2SAG: Delta (δ) Ophiuchus,Yed Prior, is a deep yellow star in the left hand of the Serpent Bearer. In this constellation, we see a human (in the form on the constellation) the other Perseus (the right arm of the champion) and this one, the “left hand of the Serpent Bearer” who crushes the serpent with his hand.

Since the Part of Victory is on the I/C 4th house cusp with the Black Moon, it appears he may get away with it.

No evidence?

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dreamweaver
05-24-2011, 05:27 PM
Thank you so much for this, Leomoon80

I will send the link to her family. Family is aware a chart might be done.

dreamweaver
05-24-2011, 05:29 PM
Event Chart Last Seen:

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I am so glad this chart could be done.
I think Lutricia would have come home, if she could have.

Leomoon80
06-12-2011, 12:30 AM
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Disappearance
"At a hairpin turn, she went off the road. Her car hit a tree. At that point, a person came along who was driving a bus. It was a neighbor. He asked her if she needed help. She refused. About 10 minutes later, police showed up to the scene and Maura Murray was gone."
—Joe McGee, The Patriot Ledger[4]
At 7:29 pm, police dispatch received a call from a Woodsville, New Hampshire resident, who reported an accident near her house on Route 112.

Mercury Ruler of the accident event Chart found in house 5, connected (see broken green lines) with Jupiter on the ASC, and 8th house planet Mars (a traditional malefic planet) forming a Yod.

Suggests to me overdoing , a hallmark of Jupiter (found on the ASC and the ASC just 2 minutes earlier, in the critical 17th degree of a mutable sign, Virgo) led to the unfortunate accident of this young woman who must have been disoriented as well, then hitting a tree and leaving her very vulnerable to whoever picked her up that evening on the road.
Two Airbags deployed and the windshield was cracked, she had to have been quite disoriented and probably hit her head on the windshield.

On this date of 9 Feb. Anubis the symbol for suicide was transiting at 12Capricorn, which does make a square with Moira in the 7th and into the 8th of death – however, I do not think she herself committed suicide in a purposeful manner, but it (the death) came at the hand of another or by the elements.
Until I study further charts with more possible gleaned information given , I’m leaning towards ambush.

Paulette usually gives some rather unique input into asteroids we seldom think about, and I’m wondering if she has one that fits the elements and perishing in such a manner as this?

We can refer to her natal chart which I have inserted Anubis there, and see that it goes over the Sunrise Juno in her chart. Juno can easily be another person and usually is. Not necessarily at all the person you are married to, but can easily be the perpetrator in a murder event.

In this accident chart , Asteroid “Hopi” (ambush) is located conjunct the MC the public place, and square to the ASC. a critical degree for a Mutable sign (just 2 minutes earlier) which alerts us to this asteroid even moreso.
Hopi (ambush) opposing Tr Pluto on this date - 9th of Feb. - 21Sag. With TR Pluto over Maura’s BML in Sag. Creating there too, a natal YOD. Neptune (being fooled by someone) or being very disoriented …..is configured along with these natal positions triggered by Pluto’s transit.

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Leomoon80
06-12-2011, 12:47 AM
NATAL SUNRISE CHART:

There has always been a question about this cold case –
1)Did Maura commit suicide, for her behavior was a bit strange in leaving school, cleaning out the apartment and buying a box of Franzia Wine among other alcoholic things reported for her drive with no reservation or confirmed room waiting for her, going to the Mountains into New Hampshire.

2)Was Maura ambushed and murdered as a result of strange coincidences, (the accident and being therefore, vulnerable in her state to a predator?)

3)Was it really Maura who called the boyfriend who claimed (voice mail deleted) that it was her and he heard her sobbing before the phone went dead almost 36 hrs. later as he waited for a plane change in the airport on his way to meet the search team with his mother to meet up with Maura’s family?

Transiting Jupiter conjunct Lachesis (time of a person’s death) and Transiting Lachesis (death) over her natal Mars and Sunrise Moon
Transiting Pluto conjuncts her natal Black Moon Lilith, which should be noted, ties in with her Natal Neptune.
Can this be a symbol of an extreme death, one caused by exposure to the cold elements in the mountains? That too, needs to be considered, as it is #4 on the above list of possibilities.

Neptune and Black Moon Lilith are in Maura’s natal chart and in SAG the tropical sign of friendly, normally an extroverted behavior, one who would likely be open to an extension of help a ride or extending a hand, from a stranger. Imo.
I also think her Venus in the Anaretic and critical 29th, last degree of Pisces (another mutable sign) suggests the same. Being naturally outgoing , she saw no reason to fear and the critical 29th degree of Pisces suggests too, possibility of some intoxication (since we know the wine was found opened and consumed) and then again, certainly with deployed air bags, and a cracked windshield, she had to have hit her head.

I always believed that Maura took off on foot either because of this and the accident being afraid of the consequences of a 2nd accident in such a short period of time (she refused help from someone saying she had already called for help which she did not) OR she was disoriented from the accident (hitting her head) and wasn't really quite understanding her condition.

Note her natal Mars is in a critical degree of a Cardinal Sign, that being Libra in this case at the 0 degree opposing Venus and squaring Neptune which was triggered by that Transit over Neptune by Pluto.
These are natal promises in Maura’s chart that takes only the right catalyst to trigger them.

FifthEssence
06-12-2011, 08:41 AM
The earlier chart posts are #352, 353, 354 in the CASE BRIEFINGS #1 thread.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - # 1

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - # 1

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FifthEssence
06-19-2011, 07:37 AM
A thread dedicated to the LAUREN SPIERER case has been opened. The posts originally in this Briefings thread have been moved over there.

LINK: Forensic Astrology - LAUREN SPIERER -Last Seen 6/3/11 Bloomington, IN - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Leomoon80
06-20-2011, 10:19 PM
Natal Sunrise Chart


Jodi was born on a Wednesday, the “Day that Mercury rules”…and she was a very intelligent Gemini, with her Venus conjunct the Sun with Mars in Gemini, a very good place for communications and TV work.
She’d have been and was perfect for such a career in Journalism or TV, as Gemini can’t be surpassed for curiosity, and conversing.
However, even “good positions” can be drastically altered in our natal charts by other things which malign.

For Jodi it was her Black Moon conjunct her Moira, both near Algol.

Her Black Moon was square to Jupiter, (never good, to be in harsh aspect to the spiritual planet Jupiter) then furthermore - opposed to Neptune (the stalker) no doubt,
Or attracting those via the vibrations of the Black Moon with stalking like tendencies, of a “fantasy i.e. Neptunian” vibes on the darker side.

However, we cannot change or help what we are born to, we simply try to make the best of whatever it is, and I’m sure she did the best she could as well.
Fate however, had different plans.

The Transiting Black Moon that fateful day went right over Jodi’s natal Mars (the physical body) at the 19th degree of Gemini, an exact hit.
Notice that Transiting Venus was “accompanying “ TR Black Moon, also at 19 degrees Gemini, so this is the validation of the vibrations that attracted such a man to her, through no conscious effort on her part but totally unconscious to her, as the Black Moon is a shadow for us. So in this regard I completely would dismiss what you read elsewhere about Jodi or some purposeful bringing him into her "sphere of influence" for the Black Moon never operates so blatantly as this in the open or with such deliberation as you may have read elsewhere.
:(
Moira (fate) was transiting over her own Black Moon and therefore, in the Constellation of stars that are the more burdensome to us, it becomes the dreaded reality for her this day.

Looking through her natal chart for the more troubling planet I see that Saturn is in the sign of it’s “Fall” in Aries, and as such, having a quincunx to 3 planets (Uranus, Neptune & Pluto)
Gives us the indications that her soul was becoming transformed in this way, through this terrible scene of abduction and terror she suffered through.
Uranus - the abduction unexpected
Neptune – the Fantasy prone Stalker
Pluto -- the control force that the Stalker uses, also the transforming catalyst

Saturn – karma for some who believe in such….otherwise, woe and restrictions

Secondarily, I’d suggest that natal Pluto for Jodi was working overtime in her natal chart when she was born to this vibration from Pluto which squares her Sun, squares her Venus and squares her Mars.
The squares are often internal fixations we are working towards or opportunities for inner growth which sometimes come from outer sources, and in this case for her they came in the form of a stalker fantasy control freak…..out of her line of vision, the Black Moon Lilith shadow all of us have. Seldom good or inviting, yet always there for everyone. For Jodi, again, conjunct Algol.
The Stalker being the shadow from the deepest psyche that no one wants to ever come into contact with.

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Leomoon80
06-20-2011, 10:52 PM
T Square between the 1st house Ruler (Mercury ) and 7th house Ruler (Jupiter ) which includes on the leg, planet Mars conj. the 5th house cusp.
This may suggest as the other reading did (that you rec’d), the person knew or saw (more likely) Jodi perhaps from a Golf Game she played (5th house Rules recreational games) such as golf, and Sagittarius, ruler of the 7th house cusp of “others” (when I refer to Jupiter being part of the T Square) it’s Sag sign there) However, it could just as easily refer to someone who gambles a lot, or met her in a casino, one who may have played the horses, so the racetrack, all come under the sign of Sagittarius!

So in this regard, the person who did this to Jodi, indeed may well be a person who was stalking her from her outings, whether golf or otherwise, any other activities she participated in recreationally speaking. She was a very public person because of the TV work.

Since Fixed Star Antares is conjunct the DC or 7th house cusp, I’d say that he is a very violent person, has done this before and if still out there, (and it’s been 16 years) no doubt has done it over and over again until caught.

Saturn is conjunct Lachesis in the same degree, so the time of death is nearing, yet the planets have not yet reached the 12th house, (those in the 1st) so a few hours yet, and then probable death either unconscious (12th house at that point in time when the planets get there) OR, held captive, as the 12th rules both. The 12th house being a focal point does not occur until a few hours later.

Saturn falls in the 11th house of “opportunity” he saw it and he took it.

In Pisces, the lord is Jupiter, again refers back to the 7th house cusp and Antares (violent person)

Since this chart is the time of morning she spoke to her producer over the telephone, the danger for Jodi is already seen and present as Atropos the symbol of cutting the ties on the earth, (death) is conjunct the cusp of the 4th house and the cusp itself, is near the worse degree of the zodiac, that of 15Leo (cusp is 14Leo 21minutes) so time is running out for her.

5th house Mars may suggest someone she met (a male) obviously – as mars represents,
Or in this house of recreation and lovers, someone who saw her out in a social venue somewhere and followed her home.
It’s really hard to say exactly, if she knew him or not., imo.

However, Mars is square the POF in the 1st house, and in the sign of Virgo, may have been quite methodical in the capturing of this young woman and well thought out plan ahead of time.

With Venus ruling the 6th and found in the 1st conj. BML so closely and then the Moon there as well, it appears to be a case of meeting the boogey man close up and personal, whether or not she welcomed him in her proximity and then was fooled by him, I cannot say, but logic alone tells me this didn't occur that way.

After all, her keys, and personal effects were found strewn in the parking lot of her residence, and her condo was not upset in the least - everything in it's place. Yet her personal belongings, showed in the parking lot near her car, that a struggle took place .

With BAM, Pluto and Jupiter the ruler of house 7 (the other) all in an energy stellium, my take is that it was quick, without notice, and not someone she welcomed into her life.

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Leomoon80
06-20-2011, 11:42 PM
Additional information found on this baffling case:

http://www.findjodi.com/2006/60-billy-pruin


Jodi Huisentruit had voiced similar concerns prior to her abduction. In fact, she had written her best friend Kelley Torgelson in Mississippi and told her that “she was concerned for her safety, that she was being stalked”. Kelley turned the letter over to Mason City Police right after Jodi’s disappearance. Ironically, Kelley received the letter on June 27th, the day Jodi was abducted.

from the same site but different page: 2010 update: It is in reference to the same Kelley, she was trying to reach by telephone mentioned here:
http://www.findjodi.com/2010/128-findjodicom-finds-discrepancy-in-timetable-of-disappearance



It has been long reported that Jodi went to friend John Vansice's house to view a video tape of a recent birthday that was thrown for her. FindJodi.com doesn't believe this event ever occurred.

According to a source, Jodi was spotted at the Mason City Country Club as late as 8:00 p.m.

FindJodi.com believes Jodi returned to her apartment sometime shortly after 8:00 p.m. as she placed a call to her friend Kelly Torguson in Mississippi. She spoke to Kelly's husband Todd because Kelly wasn't home.

Todd described the time as “8-ish.”

Jodi told Todd to have Kelly call her if she got home by 9:30, but no later. Kelly never called. She got home after 9:30 p.m

goodgirl65
06-21-2011, 05:24 PM
With Venus ruling the 6th and found in the 1st conj. BML so closely and then the Moon there as well, it appears to be a case of meeting the boogey man close up and personal, whether or not she welcomed him in her proximity and then was fooled by him, I cannot say, but logic alone tells me this didn't occur that way.

After all, her keys, and personal effects were found strewn in the parking lot of her residence, and her condo was not upset in the least - everything in it's place. Yet her personal belongings, showed in the parking lot near her car, that a struggle took place .

With BAM, Pluto and Jupiter the ruler of house 7 (the other) all in an energy stellium, my take is that it was quick, without notice, and not someone she welcomed into her life.



Thanks so much for your work on these charts. I copied the only part of your interpretation that im not sure about; There are a few indications that Jodi may have had a visitor in her apartment late that night. Perhaps he stayed over, or perhaps, after he left he waited for her in the parking lot. Those indications are:

Earlier in the evening, when Jodi was still out at the tournament dinner, she received a male visitor who knocked on her apt. door and said "Jodi open up, i know you're in there" (this was heard by the neighbor from across the hall. She didnt see him though). This man finally left when he received no answer.

There were 2 empty beer cans in her sink. I feel thats relevant because after a long day out socializing and drinking, would she really come home and drink TWO beers? If she spoke to a friend on the phone when she arrived home around 8-ish and indicated she would most likely be in bed by 9:30, would she really need them? Perhaps, though, she would have one with someone who stopped by.

The toilet seat in her bathroom was up, as if a man had been the last the use it. Dont know about anyone else, but the first thing i do when i get up in the morning is go to the bathroom, especially if i had been drinking the night before. And i doubt it was up because she was cleaning it at 4am, late for work.

One investigator stated he feels that the scenario may have originated in the apartment. If there was any viable evidence taken, LE doesnt share it. They keep most things close to the vest, but they admit they have little more info now than they did then.