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Capri
11-11-2010, 01:51 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/25649131/detail.html

The interior of the Baker's rented house(I can't bear to call it a "home"), where Zahra last lived.

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2010, 02:02 PM
TY TY TY Capri for putting this back up. I have seen this slideshow about 25 times and I always stop at certain pictures to get a better look-see. Like the one in the living room with the mirror above the fireplace - you can see in that mirror but not much to see.

Anyway, I noticed in another set of pics that the back door was gone and that LE must have put a piece of plywood over the back door. I even posted about it.

WELL - in this slideshow - pic #11 - you can see the back door and the plywood. The actual door is standing open. So, why?

LE TOOK THE DOORKNOB! Look at the door really well - the doorknob is missing. HOPING AND :praying: THAT LE HAS A REAL GOOD SET OF PRINTS OFF THAT KNOB!!

Ok - I'm done - got all excited when I found that. Answered a question for me.

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 02:09 PM
TY TY TY Capri for putting this back up. I have seen this slideshow about 25 times and I always stop at certain pictures to get a better look-see. Like the one in the living room with the mirror above the fireplace - you can see in that mirror but not much to see.

Anyway, I noticed in another set of pics that the back door was gone and that LE must have put a piece of plywood over the back door. I even posted about it.

WELL - in this slideshow - pic #11 - you can see the back door and the plywood. The actual door is standing open. So, why?

LE TOOK THE DOORKNOB! Look at the door really well - the doorknob is missing. HOPING AND :praying: THAT LE HAS A REAL GOOD SET OF PRINTS OFF THAT KNOB!!

Ok - I'm done - got all excited when I found that. Answered a question for me.

Holy cow, Owl! Great catch! I noticed that the molding around the door frame had been pulled away, but never noticed the door knob missing.

ETA: I wouldn't think LE would be looking for prints, though, since AB, EB and Z would all be expected to have prints on this door. But perhaps they took it to establish that these were the only prints on the door, thus pointing to the fact that there was no intruder? Or perhaps looking for gasoline, char smudges, etc., on this door? Something that shows the fire was set by someone who came in and went out of this door? Hmmm.

Capri
11-11-2010, 02:14 PM
Slide #11 also shows cans of paint and paint rollers (on that silver shelving unit). Wonder if someone had painted recently?

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2010, 02:38 PM
Holy cow, Owl! Great catch! I noticed that the molding around the door frame had been pulled away, but never noticed the door knob missing.

ETA: I wouldn't think LE would be looking for prints, though, since AB, EB and Z would all be expected to have prints on this door. But perhaps they took it to establish that these were the only prints on the door, thus pointing to the fact that there was no intruder? Or perhaps looking for gasoline, char smudges, etc., on this door? Something that shows the fire was set by someone who came in and went out of this door? Hmmm.
Yes, BUT if those prints are in Zahra's blood - well then.................

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Yes, BUT if those prints are in Zahra's blood - well then.................

Right...we're on the same page. Not just any old fingerprint, but one in blood, gasoline, ashes, anything that would point to EB/AB having something to do with either the fire or the disposal.

(mentally insert the praying emoticon here, because I can't find the stupid thing.)

ynotdivein
11-11-2010, 04:46 PM
TY TY TY Capri for putting this back up. I have seen this slideshow about 25 times and I always stop at certain pictures to get a better look-see. Like the one in the living room with the mirror above the fireplace - you can see in that mirror but not much to see.

Anyway, I noticed in another set of pics that the back door was gone and that LE must have put a piece of plywood over the back door. I even posted about it.

WELL - in this slideshow - pic #11 - you can see the back door and the plywood. The actual door is standing open. So, why?

LE TOOK THE DOORKNOB! Look at the door really well - the doorknob is missing. HOPING AND :praying: THAT LE HAS A REAL GOOD SET OF PRINTS OFF THAT KNOB!!

Ok - I'm done - got all excited when I found that. Answered a question for me.

GREAT CATCH WOO!

Fingerprints--here is one good place where a total ABSENCE of Zahra's prints would be a huge red flag.

Could be blood, could be they got a decomp hit on one or both knobs?

NoeticSoul
11-11-2010, 04:59 PM
I really would like to know what that note on the fridge says (photo 12).

nort
11-11-2010, 05:00 PM
I would love to know what the letter on the fridge is all about..

passionflower
11-11-2010, 05:08 PM
I would love to know what the letter on the fridge is all about..

Can anyone tell us how to enlarge the letter???

Jo in Calif
11-11-2010, 05:09 PM
I thought the ref. was taken out and doors taken off? Was there another one, other than the one in the pict?

NoeticSoul
11-11-2010, 05:13 PM
I would love to know what the letter on the fridge is all about..


Although I'm sure if it were anything significant LE would have taken it.. I'm still curious. One would expect to see a child's drawings, colorings, doodles and/or graded "home-school" papers, perhaps? Instead of one big (seemingly) typed up paragraph on a blank white paper.

nort
11-11-2010, 05:15 PM
I am curious as well, trying to figure out how to get at it....

ynotdivein
11-11-2010, 05:20 PM
I thought the ref. was taken out and doors taken off? Was there another one, other than the one in the pict?

Jo, that report came from a CNN crewman at the house... we suspect that they removed the fridge because it was in the way of something, took the door off it because they are LE and you don't leave a fridge outside without taking the door off, and then reassembled and returned it. KWIM?

ynotdivein
11-11-2010, 05:25 PM
When this slideshow first came out we were still back in the threads, and so I don't remember who pointed this out originally... but on top of the fireplace mantel there is what appears to be a Grim Reaper statuette. This is slide 7, on the R side of the mantel.

I tried to blow up the fridge letter and do not have the requisite capacities. Definitely want to know!

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 05:27 PM
When this slideshow first came out we were still back in the threads, and so I don't remember who pointed this out originally... but on top of the fireplace mantel there is what appears to be a Grim Reaper statuette. This is slide 7, on the R side of the mantel.

I tried to blow up the fridge letter and do not have the requisite capacities. Definitely want to know!

That was me. But then Sarx reminded me that this was the halloween season, so maybe not an odd thing to find in a home. :blushing:

nort
11-11-2010, 05:41 PM
Struggling but still trying..

aamanda_88
11-11-2010, 05:42 PM
I am not positive but I see a door knob in the picture. If you look in the tank there is a reflection of a metal door knob. Maybe it is just the angle that is making it look that way.

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2010, 05:45 PM
I am not positive but I see a door knob in the picture. If you look in the tank there is a reflection of a metal door knob. Maybe it is just the angle that is making it look that way.
I think that reflection is just the "hole" where the knob was. If you look at the latch (or catch) then on either side of the door would be a knob. It does look like a piece of folded paper or something is shoved into the hole but the doorknob is gone.

That's why they boarded up that entrance with a piece of plywood - with no doorknob - you can't lock the door. I don't see a dead bolt either on the door or the "hole" it would use in the frame.

aamanda_88
11-11-2010, 05:48 PM
I think that reflection is just the "hole" where the knob was. If you look at the latch (or catch) then on either side of the door would be a knob. It does look like a piece of folded paper or something is shoved into the hole but the doorknob is gone.

That's why they boarded up that entrance with a piece of plywood - with no doorknob - you can't lock the door. I don't see a dead bolt either on the door or the "hole" it would use in the frame.

Ok I can see that being a piece of paper. I guess what I am seeing isn't really big enough to be a door knob.

diphi
11-11-2010, 05:54 PM
Probably already discussed - just wanted to comment that the paint job in ZB's room is pretty bad - one coat done in a big hurry. Why would you paint a room like that for you child?

MOO, of course

FaerieB
11-11-2010, 06:19 PM
I respectfully disagree about the door. If you look closely at the door jamb, you can see that there are two holes; one for the latch on the doorknob, and one for the deadbolt. When you are looking at the door in the picture, your view is skewed. What you think is the doorknob missing with a piece of paper shoved through the hole, is actually the deadbolt.

I've cropped the photo and attached it for a better view.

JMO

Meagain
11-11-2010, 06:21 PM
Oh. Just noticed the bathtub plumping wall is missing

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2010, 06:21 PM
If that is the dead bolt - then where is the latch for the doorknob? There is only one indented "hole" on the opposite frame (where the door would close). If that is the deadbolt then why use plywood to board up the entrance? Why not just close the door and secure the dead bolt?

Meagain
11-11-2010, 06:22 PM
Probably already discussed - just wanted to comment that the paint job in ZB's room is pretty bad - one coat done in a big hurry. Why would you paint a room like that for you child?

MOO, of course

Maybe Zahra did it herself?

FaerieB
11-11-2010, 06:26 PM
If that is the dead bolt - then where is the latch for the doorknob? There is only one indented "hole" on the opposite frame (where the door would close). If that is the deadbolt then why use plywood to board up the entrance? Why not just close the door and secure the dead bolt?

Respectfully, I believe that I can see two holes in the jamb for the latches. And I believe that you can't see the doorknob because of the angle of the picture. The doorknob would be below where the picture is cut off.

Again, JMO.

ETA: I think they boarded up the doorway because they don't know how many other keys are out there, so there's no way to know, other than boarding up the door that no one has snuck in the back way. They do that very thing in my community at crime scenes and fires.

Kamille
11-11-2010, 06:27 PM
Not sure about that back door but it sure looks like the doorknob from Zahra's bedroom door is missing to me.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2l9h2d1.png

Amster
11-11-2010, 06:33 PM
I hope someone took Zahra's clothes out of the closet....:frown:

Kamille
11-11-2010, 06:36 PM
Come to think of it, maybe that's why the light switch plate was missing too? :waitasec:

ynotdivein
11-11-2010, 06:38 PM
Back to picture 11 for one sec, were we able to confirm that the Arm & Hammer box on the counter is cat litter rather than laundry detergent?

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 07:01 PM
Come to think of it, maybe that's why the light switch plate was missing too? :waitasec:

You mean in the kitchen or the "hole" in Zahra's bedroom I thought might have been a light switch?

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 07:02 PM
Back to picture 11 for one sec, were we able to confirm that the Arm & Hammer box on the counter is cat litter rather than laundry detergent?

Don't believe we did. But Zahra did have a cat, so...could be a perfectly logical thing to have on a counter. Same is true if it's laundry soap.

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 07:06 PM
Respectfully, I believe that I can see two holes in the jamb for the latches. And I believe that you can't see the doorknob because of the angle of the picture. The doorknob would be below where the picture is cut off.

Again, JMO.

ETA: I think they boarded up the doorway because they don't know how many other keys are out there, so there's no way to know, other than boarding up the door that no one has snuck in the back way. They do that very thing in my community at crime scenes and fires.

Look at any door in your house, and you'll see that exactly where the knob is that's where the metal plate and metal slider that locks the door is also. So looking at the plate and metal slider, I see no knob.

JMO

(Sorry about the 3 posts in a row, guys. Haven't figured out how to do multi quotes in one post yet.)

Kamille
11-11-2010, 07:53 PM
You mean in the kitchen or the "hole" in Zahra's bedroom I thought might have been a light switch?

There was a light switch in her bedroom, beside the closet, that was missing the plate. We thought it might be because of the recent painting but considering everything seemed to be painted over, it didn't make sense that they would take the time to remove the light switch plate...they would have just painted over it too. So perhaps LE took it for fingerprints or blood/DNA evidence along with the doorknob.

MOO

OutbackJoe
11-11-2010, 08:14 PM
Certainly doesnt look like a healthy happy home to me (jmho)

FaerieB
11-11-2010, 08:14 PM
Look at any door in your house, and you'll see that exactly where the knob is that's where the metal plate and metal slider that locks the door is also. So looking at the plate and metal slider, I see no knob.

JMO

(Sorry about the 3 posts in a row, guys. Haven't figured out how to do multi quotes in one post yet.)

I (and DH...I dragged him in and asked him what he saw without saying anything about the picture) believe you're not seeing the doorknob because it's not shown in this picture. I've attached a picture of what I think is showing.

Kamille
11-11-2010, 08:53 PM
The doorknob on the back door is definitely on there.

http://i55.tinypic.com/9gzk12.png

You can see it more clearly around 1:46 of this video...

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763688/index.html

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 09:33 PM
I (and DH...I dragged him in and asked him what he saw without saying anything about the picture) believe you're not seeing the doorknob because it's not shown in this picture. I've attached a picture of what I think is showing.

Okay, I see what you're saying. The metal plate I'm seeing is actually the plate for the deadbolt slider.

So...the doorknob may be missing, or it may not. No way to tell. Hmmm.

Mountain_Kat
11-11-2010, 09:34 PM
The doorknob on the back door is definitely on there.

http://i55.tinypic.com/9gzk12.png

You can see it more clearly around 1:46 of this video...

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763688/index.html

You see...THIS is why I should read through the whole thread before I post. :doh:

Thanks.

Wise Old Owl
11-11-2010, 09:37 PM
The doorknob on the back door is definitely on there.

http://i55.tinypic.com/9gzk12.png

You can see it more clearly around 1:46 of this video...

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763688/index.html
ok - now I'm back as to the WHY LE boarded up that back door entrance with plywood and left a "fully functioning" door standing open inside.

Any thoughts, ideas?

teedie2
11-11-2010, 09:56 PM
There's a lot of black in that house. Trim, cabinets, furniture, and it looks like the pink bathroom tile has been covered by black fabric, looks like partially torn off fabric hanging on the wall in pic #15. And the writing stuck on the fridge is likely to be the use and care instructions and a few recipes for EB's cauldron.

Kamille
11-11-2010, 10:04 PM
ok - now I'm back as to the WHY LE boarded up that back door entrance with plywood and left a "fully functioning" door standing open inside.

Any thoughts, ideas?

With part of the door frame pulled off, that door likely would not close properly and would not be very secure. LE obviously didn't feel the need to fix the door frame to make sure the door was secure after all the other things that were torn apart. Throwing up a hunk of plywood solves the problem IMO.

NoeticSoul
11-11-2010, 10:20 PM
Don't believe we did. But Zahra did have a cat, so...could be a perfectly logical thing to have on a counter. Same is true if it's laundry soap.

IIRC Zahra's cat was left to stay (abandoned) behind at the last house, and was adopted.

bessie
11-11-2010, 10:38 PM
I really would like to know what that note on the fridge says (photo 12).

I would love to know what the letter on the fridge is all about..
I'm very curious about that writing on the fridge. I mentioned it on the first thread. It's not a grocery list nor recipes, just one running body of prose, similar to EB's letters. But there's no signature, as you'd expect to see in a letter. I don't knowwhat it is, but I think EB wrote it, and I think it's important to her because she posted it on the refrigerator. So what? A manifesto of sorts? *shrug* It's obviously not evidence, but might be relevant to understanding EB.

panthera
11-11-2010, 10:43 PM
IIRC Zahra's cat was left to stay (abandoned) behind at the last house, and was adopted.

That is what I also recall, and there hasn't been any mention of a cat at this house, just the pit bull(s).

I noticed the box on the kitchen counter and that not being the brand of litter I'm currently using, couldn't identify if it was or not. Could also be laundry detergent. :waitasec: MOO

panthera
11-11-2010, 10:45 PM
There's a lot of black in that house. Trim, cabinets, furniture, and it looks like the pink bathroom tile has been covered by black fabric, looks like partially torn off fabric hanging on the wall in pic #15. And the writing stuck on the fridge is likely to be the use and care instructions and a few recipes for EB's cauldron.

I believe that is actually black paint on the pink bathroom tiles, and it's peeling off. MOO

NoeticSoul
11-11-2010, 11:01 PM
That is what I also recall, and there hasn't been any mention of a cat at this house, just the pit bull(s).

I noticed the box on the kitchen counter and that not being the brand of litter I'm currently using, couldn't identify if it was or not. Could also be laundry detergent. :waitasec: MOO

FWIW

Looks like a big box of Arm & Hammer family size laundry detergent to me. I have 3 cats and use Arm & Hammer kitty litter... my boxes are not that tall. At least not the ones that I've bought.

Hmmm.. Did they ever mention anything about a washer or dryer in the home?
(the Anthony case comes to mind)

Capri
11-11-2010, 11:11 PM
I believe that is actually black paint on the pink bathroom tiles, and it's peeling off. MOO

I agree with you on that, looks like it has been peeled/scraped off showing the pink tile underneath. So, the next question would be, why the need to get to the bottom layer? Just thorough policework, or was the bath newly painted after Zahra was gone, for whatever reason. Did they luminol that bath?

teedie2
11-11-2010, 11:13 PM
I believe that is actually black paint on the pink bathroom tiles, and it's peeling off. MOO

:blushing: I'm sure you are correct, lol, but I have never seen paint hanging in such large pieces... and WHY so much black in that depressing house?

Zahra's room has the only bright, cheerful color in the house. Poor little girl. She tried so hard, and conquered so much, until she had to deal with a more insurmountable evil than even cancer.

It is ok to hate some people, isn't it? :furious:

Capri
11-11-2010, 11:29 PM
:blushing: I'm sure you are correct, lol, but I have never seen paint hanging in such large pieces... and WHY so much black in that depressing house?

Zahra's room has the only bright, cheerful color in the house. Poor little girl. She tried so hard, and conquered so much, until she had to deal with a more insurmountable evil than even cancer.

It is ok to hate some people, isn't it? :furious:


In this case......Absolutely!

NCMOM
11-12-2010, 12:06 AM
Back to picture 11 for one sec, were we able to confirm that the Arm & Hammer box on the counter is cat litter rather than laundry detergent?

Zahra had a cat.

w1df10wr
11-12-2010, 12:09 AM
That is what I also recall, and there hasn't been any mention of a cat at this house, just the pit bull(s).

I noticed the box on the kitchen counter and that not being the brand of litter I'm currently using, couldn't identify if it was or not. Could also be laundry detergent. :waitasec: MOO

I have 8 cats, Arm & Hammer has a multi cat formula like that. I see a patch of maroon on the box in the picture-

It could also be Home Alone puppy pads - http://www.armandhammer.com/pet-care/landing.aspx or the laundry detergent.

78gidget78
11-12-2010, 12:14 AM
fwiw i'm certain the homeowner was on record somewhere when the vid was first released as saying HE boarded up the door for security. i have been searching for a link, but all the articles have since been updated with other info added and can't seem to find it. so at least for now MOO...

NCMOM
11-12-2010, 12:36 AM
IIRC Zahra's cat was left to stay (abandoned) behind at the last house, and was adopted.

Yes, she is a beautiful cat. Very sweet and has found a loving home with another kitty that LOVES her!

teedie2
11-12-2010, 02:01 AM
After mulling it over, and thinking about Zahra's cheerful pink bedroom .. was this painted before .... or after? Was it painted to cover up something?

Someone mentioned the glove with the "goo" on it ... might that have been used in painting Zahra's room? It doesn't bear thinking about, but the pair (don't want to call them parents, or adults) didn't seem to do much for Zahra, would they have painted that one room to please her? I hope that her room looked like that when she lived there. How sad if it were black and white and had that d**ned Live Laugh Love border around it.

ynotdivein
11-19-2010, 01:03 PM
Did we ever come to any consensus on whether we think Zahra's bed was positioned either:

1. Against the interior/bathroom wall, with the head against the exterior wall to the L of the window looking out over the backyard and the foot close to the door, or

2. With the head against the wall between Zahra's room and the bathroom, and the long part of the bed against the wall/under the window looking out over to backyard?

Am trying to figure out LE's thinking in taking the wall pieces they did, and what it tells us about what happened to Zahra.

karen7868
11-19-2010, 02:07 PM
After mulling it over, and thinking about Zahra's cheerful pink bedroom .. was this painted before .... or after? Was it painted to cover up something?

Someone mentioned the glove with the "goo" on it ... might that have been used in painting Zahra's room? It doesn't bear thinking about, but the pair (don't want to call them parents, or adults) didn't seem to do much for Zahra, would they have painted that one room to please her? I hope that her room looked like that when she lived there. How sad if it were black and white and had that d**ned Live Laugh Love border around it.

Hi teedie2, I think I may have been the one to mention the glove with the goo...wondering if it was paint. Perhaps someone has already mentioned it too.

IMO, the room was painted AFTER this atrocious heinous act. I don't even see any pictures or posters, anything hanging on the walls. Just the strawberry shortcake picture on the closet door.

I would LOVE to know if they had recently purchased the paint, etc. at a hardware store right before this happened and had them on video making the purchases.

I even see the paint cans on the baker's rack.

Also, the picture they showed on NG of the tools used for the dismemberment...does anyone thinks it's possbile they had also purchased these tools specifically just to do this?

The reason I wonder is because I also live in house, not much bigger than their's and if I didn't have a storage bldg., I would have no place to store all those tools.

I still think LE should investigate the local Lowe's, or other hardware stores to see if they purchased the paint/tools/towels/rags/gloves/, etc. right before this happened.

JMHOO.

Mountain_Kat
11-19-2010, 03:44 PM
Did we ever come to any consensus on whether we think Zahra's bed was positioned either:

1. Against the interior/bathroom wall, with the head against the exterior wall to the L of the window looking out over the backyard and the foot close to the door, or

2. With the head against the wall between Zahra's room and the bathroom, and the long part of the bed against the wall/under the window looking out over to backyard?

Am trying to figure out LE's thinking in taking the wall pieces they did, and what it tells us about what happened to Zahra.

I don't know that we ever came to a consensus of where the bed was positioned, but my gut feeling is that the headboard was against the wall where the drywall was removed. The floor cutaway was where someone would be standing if they were standing over the side of the bed.

Nothing solid to base that feeling on...all just speculation on my part.

westsidefox64
11-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Hi teedie2, I think I may have been the one to mention the glove with the goo...wondering if it was paint. Perhaps someone has already mentioned it too.

IMO, the room was painted AFTER this atrocious heinous act. I don't even see any pictures or posters, anything hanging on the walls. Just the strawberry shortcake picture on the closet door.

I would LOVE to know if they had recently purchased the paint, etc. at a hardware store right before this happened and had them on video making the purchases.

I even see the paint cans on the baker's rack.

Also, the picture they showed on NG of the tools used for the dismemberment...does anyone thinks it's possbile they had also purchased these tools specifically just to do this?

The reason I wonder is because I also live in house, not much bigger than their's and if I didn't have a storage bldg., I would have no place to store all those tools.

I still think LE should investigate the local Lowe's, or other hardware stores to see if they purchased the paint/tools/towels/rags/gloves/, etc. right before this happened.

JMHOO.

BBM
There was another poster on the wall of what I think is from Alice In Wonderland. Also I saw a few stickers and stars. JMO

Kamille
11-19-2010, 04:18 PM
I don't know that we ever came to a consensus of where the bed was positioned, but my gut feeling is that the headboard was against the wall where the drywall was removed. The floor cutaway was where someone would be standing if they were standing over the side of the bed.

Nothing solid to base that feeling on...all just speculation on my part.

Agree with this except I don't believe there was a headboard. Just a mattress and boxspring on a frame...which is what LE removed. I do think it was placed exactly as you have described though. Even more chance for evidence to be on that wall without a headboard.

MOO

Mountain_Kat
11-19-2010, 04:56 PM
Agree with this except I don't believe there was a headboard. Just a mattress and boxspring on a frame...which is what LE removed. I do think it was placed exactly as you have described though. Even more chance for evidence to be on that wall without a headboard.

MOO

I'm not convinced that there wasn't a headboard at the time of her murder. In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if THAT was what went through the woodchipper.

But, also possible there never was one. I could go either way, I guess.

JMO