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YadaYada
09-30-2003, 03:10 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98663,00.html

Arielle
09-30-2003, 03:18 PM
Wow, this is one smart little girl! I feel so badly for her, but I'm also extremely proud of her. I sure hope her dad gets custody of her now. She must have been so happy to see somebody when he came in.

mindys
09-30-2003, 04:05 PM
I'm not ready to give him Dad of the Year award, where has he been???

Ghostwheel
09-30-2003, 06:24 PM
From the article:
"The child's father, Ogden Lee, who is separated from the child's 22-year-old mother, Dakeysha Telita Lee, said he had been trying to contact the mother for two weeks and did not learn until Sunday that she was in jail."

The child is lucky. You can make yourself really sick with too much mustard. She mujst have preferred the ketchup.

gretchen
09-30-2003, 11:47 PM
The poor little darling. God was certainly looking after her. I can't believe her mother knew she was home alone and didn't care. That is a long time for a two year to be by herself.

Toth
10-01-2003, 01:20 AM
Big deal. The little brat is going to grow up to be just like her parents anyway. Only now the taxpayer is footing the bill for the brat and the mother.

Grace
10-01-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Toth
Big deal. The little brat is going to grow up to be just like her parents anyway. Only now the taxpayer is footing the bill for the brat and the mother.

Ouch! :nono: :nono: :nono:

Your compassion and sensitivity leave me speechless.
:razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

BeeBee
10-01-2003, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Toth
Big deal. The little brat is going to grow up to be just like her parents anyway. Only now the taxpayer is footing the bill for the brat and the mother.

You don't know how this child is going to grow up. What is your reasoning behind saying such a thing? I think I know why.
Guess she should have just died huh?

YadaYada
10-01-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Toth
Big deal. The little brat is going to grow up to be just like her parents anyway. Only now the taxpayer is footing the bill for the brat and the mother.

That is just assnine...:nono:

packerdog
10-01-2003, 12:24 PM
I think Toth started out as a little brat and turned into a big one.

Toth
10-01-2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by BeeBee
Guess she should have just died huh? Would have been cheaper; probably would have been better, too. I'm sure you've heard the term 'throwaway' used to describe what otherwise might be termed a 'runaway'. I think society has a right to do the throwing rather than give them free room and board in jails and care facilties.

angelsleuth
10-01-2003, 01:55 PM
You have no right to say that this child is not important. You speak of throw aways. Adolf Hitler decided which people were expendable. The whole time he did that he lowered the value of his own life. You are doing the same. A life that is valuable is not defined by race, color, or religion. Value is in every breath taken and the freedom to do so, the compassion that one single person gives another is what constitutes value. I pity your bankrupt soul.

CaliMom
10-01-2003, 03:00 PM
I don't understand how you can sit there and judge a 2 year old. How can you possibly know how this child will turn out? Seems to me she is a survivor and will only contribute to the world by her presence. All humans are valuable, it's the "labels" that people like you place on them that make them feel less so. Ever heard the word COMPASSION??

mindys
10-01-2003, 03:23 PM
Toth, I am sorry to see you have lost hope. I will not. I give you credit for guts to say what you have, but it takes much more than that to survive what these children have. The first time I saw you use words such as these in another thread, I blew it off thinking you were trying to use humor to diffuse the sadness of it all. But, it just is not even remotely funny.

Grace
10-01-2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Toth
Would have been cheaper; probably would have been better, too. I think society has a right to do the throwing rather than give them free room and board in jails and care facilties.


You think society has the right to choose which lives are important? Why would you blame an innocent child for the abuse inflicted by the parent? Your argument is not only cold but has no merit - it makes no sense.

Are your comments simply a way for you to get a reaction from other posters? That would be my opinion.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

alpharee
10-01-2003, 04:05 PM
Toth,
Why are you so bitter?

Arielle
10-01-2003, 04:24 PM
Toth, has something tragic recently happened in your life? You used to have what I thought were fairly insightful posts. I didn't always agree with them, and I often found them to be a bit arrogant, but I did respect them. You had such courage of your convictions. On the Ramsey topic you have never been afraid to say what you felt and you never seemed to care what other posters thought. I admired that. However, now it seems you are saying things that do not fit with the personality I had imagined for you. To say I am shocked is an understatement. As another poster said, I at first thought you were using sarcasm to try to diffused some tension. I am wont to do the same myself, so I thought it was okay. But now it seems that you are really beleiving this stuff that you are spouting. I'm very sorry about that.

Moderators--Feel free to move this to the jury room. I know it is a bit personal and also off topic. But I am not doing this to attack Toth. I am seriously concerned about his well being.

Jeana (DP)
10-01-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Arielle
Wow, this is one smart little girl! I feel so badly for her, but I'm also extremely proud of her. I sure hope her dad gets custody of her now. She must have been so happy to see somebody when he came in.


Well, this is definately one for the "better late than never" category. However, I do hope that the mother's parental rights are dissolved after this stunt. She's SO lucky this little girl didn't die. It was a miracle if you ask me.

YadaYada
10-01-2003, 05:10 PM
(Jacksonville, Florida-AP) Oct. 1, 2003 - The two-year-old girl who was left home alone for more than two weeks has been released from a Florida hospital after being treated for dehydration and malnutrition. She went home with her father on Wednesday.

Police say the child was left alone by her mother, who was in jail. The girl survived by eating ketchup, mustard and dried pasta. A hospital spokesman is saying only that she's in good condition.

The girl was found on Sunday by her father, Ogden Lee, who became suspicious after trying to reach the mother for two weeks. He says she was lying in a baby bathtub, covered with a towel and dried ketchup and jelly watching cartoons. He tells The Florida Times Union the girl grabbed him and wouldn't let go.

Lee is separated from the girl's mother. He has been granted temporary custody. Wednesday's order allows him supervised visits with his daugther, but the child legally remains in state custody.

Lee told the paper the child ate four pieces of chicken, a cheeseburger, mashed potatoes and Cheerios while in the hospital. The girl also drank two pints of milk. He says he can't stop crying when he thinks about his daughter's ordeal. As he puts it, he can't "even imagine how hungry she must have been."

Police say the girl's mother, Dakeysha Telita Lee, 22, was jailed on September 10th for aggravated assault and petty theft. She's now been charged with child abuse and is being held on $170,000 bond.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1464812

Jeana (DP)
10-01-2003, 05:12 PM
Why does Toth's post not surprise me in the least? I was hoping that he/she/it was joking, but it appears not.

Toth
10-01-2003, 07:15 PM
All those who speak of 'compassion' should have compassion for the taxpayer.
All those who think the kid is not going to grow up to be like its parents should go out in their garden and prune the healthy vines but cultivate the sick ones.

YadaYada
10-01-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Toth
All those who speak of 'compassion' should have compassion for the taxpayer.
All those who think the kid is not going to grow up to be like its parents should go out in their garden and prune the healthy vines but cultivate the sick ones.

With all the government waiste, this is where you are concerned about your tax dollar's going?

This little girl has just as much right to live as you do. Maybe she'll grow up and teach you to have some compassion! (your tax dollar's at work!)

I think you are looking for attention, and you can certainly find a better way to get it.

JMO

CrazyMazy
10-01-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Toth
All those who speak of 'compassion' should have compassion for the taxpayer.
All those who think the kid is not going to grow up to be like its parents should go out in their garden and prune the healthy vines but cultivate the sick ones.

How can you say something like that ? Were you born with a silver spoon in your mouth ?

I think it is amazing this poor baby survived her ordeal that she had no control over. Do you know how young 2 yrs old is ?

I think it is a miracle she survived for 19 days on her own. I think God has plans for this little angel.

CaliMom
10-01-2003, 08:02 PM
I have compassion for everyone that I feel is being treated unfairly, especially if they have no control over their situation. Being a taxpayer myself, it makes no sense to me to berate this child over what happened to her and blame her for what the government does with our tax dollars. Why don't you try placing the blame where it belongs...her mother...and give this child a break.

Grace
10-01-2003, 08:23 PM
It's hard to imagine a little 2 year old being all alone, hungry and scared - what a smart little girl. Thank God she is alive - hopefully, her mother will never have the opportunity to abuse her again.

Jeana (DP)
10-02-2003, 10:52 AM
I think if any of us want to feel sorry for someone, it should be Toth. Apparently, this person has no one to care for him/her/it, so he/she/it never learned how to care for anyone else.

BeeBee
10-02-2003, 11:14 AM
I hope the mother is put away for a good long time for this.

I have a granddaughter that just turned 3 in September. When I think of her being alone and being so scared, maybe trying to turn a light on at night. At her age now she knows where the swiches are but asks us to turn on the light in her room when wanting to watch cartoons since she's no quite tall enough. So, thinking that she might try and find something to climb on while all alone to turn on the lights and wondering how scared she must be and what she could be thinking is overwhelming for me.

I used to admire Toth for for his ability to stand against the majority and never back down. Now I think he is one of those who stands against the majority just for his own personal kicks, regardless of what the subject matter may be. My own brother is this way and a lot of it is for shock effect and a bitterness inside.

mindys
10-02-2003, 02:57 PM
This IS a precious child. I THANK GOD for the miracle of her survival. Here's a link with pictures of her:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=8634

YadaYada
10-02-2003, 03:10 PM
Awww.. What a cutie!!! Hopefully being so young - she won't remember any of this later in life. It's amazing she managed on her own for nearly 3 week's under those conditions.
I hope she has a great future ahead of her... :)

CaliMom
10-02-2003, 04:18 PM
What an innocent little face. You can sense the relief she must have felt by being in her Daddy's arms, where she could finally rest and know she would be taken care of. I hope she doesn't remember what happened to her.

Jeana (DP)
10-02-2003, 05:07 PM
Thanks for the link. She's so adorable!!

BeeBee
10-02-2003, 07:24 PM
Look at her crying in her daddys arms. Breaks my heart.

Toth, I will never think the same of you again.

Cypros
10-02-2003, 08:08 PM
I have been wracking my brain, trying to think up what would lead a mother to allow her baby to fend for herself for 19 days :dontknow: and have only come up with two possible explanations. These are not justifications -- there is NO justification for what this woman put her child through -- but maybe an explanation as to why:

1) Since she and her husband are recently separated and probably fighting over custody, she knew that her going to jail would surely work in his favor and so she didn't tell anybody about the baby so he wouldn't find out.

2) Maybe there was something illegal in the house and she was afraid to send the authorities to the home to rescue the child in fear that the contraband would be discovered.

Maybe she thought she would get out quickly and then it became to late to say: "Oh by the way, my two year old has been alone in the house all this time." Either way she she was thinking only of her self and had to have thought after a certain point that she would be going home to a dead child. This "mother" is disgusting and should be put away for life. I hope that Brianna's daddy is prepared to raise an extraordinary child.


Toth, you are a disturbed individual. I hope you find some love and therapy out there.
:mad:

angelsleuth
10-03-2003, 01:46 PM
I sent the following to the little girl today.
An invitation was given in the news to write to her. Her e-mail is

jbaby01@comcast.net



I hope your Daddy saves all of these letters and news reports. Even though this will bring sadness to you when you are older due to the judements of others. For whatever reason, your mother did this, I'm sure she will someday hope for you to forgive her. She is suffering and will suffer for the rest of her life.


What happened to you is not your fault. You are loved and have shown that God works among strangers in times of need. He must have sent you a special angel to keep you alive for a purpose. Please don't become bitter. Maybe you will be of great importance in the world someday. You could be our next president. Just know that you live a free country that will support you. Also know that there are sicknesses that people carry in their minds that need tender loving care just as physical ones do.

I'm proud of your Daddy.

Have a great life pumkin!

Angela Graham
Student of Missouri Southern State University
graham-a-095@mssu.edu

angelsleuth
10-03-2003, 01:53 PM
Just a word of caution folks, it has happened in the past, a websleuth member leaves for a period of time and his computer is used by someone in his house. This could be a teen ager acting on Toth's behalf. It could also be a smart hacker using Toth's ID somehow. After reading all of your replies that this was a very shocking answer for Toth to give, I thought maybe we better give Toth the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone else smell a skunk?

CrazyMazy
10-03-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by angelsleuth
Just a word of caution folks, it has happened in the past, a websleuth member leaves for a period of time and his computer is used by someone in his house. This could be a teen ager acting on Toth's behalf. It could also be a smart hacker using Toth's ID somehow. After reading all of your replies that this was a very shocking answer for Toth to give, I thought maybe we better give Toth the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone else smell a skunk?


I sure hope so !

Amraann
10-03-2003, 04:28 PM
I think all reference to Toth should be removed from the thread.
Maybe discussing disagreement with Toth's idea would be more appropriate?

Toth I may tend to agree that the majority of society don't fall far from the tree.
What you said was not easily digested by most. Mostly because of the words you chose to use.
However, if that were true in all cases then I, myself would be a drug addicted prostitute, my children would not know their father and I would neglect my children for a visit to the bar or worse bring the bar home and subject them to the the leaches who accompany me.
None of those things are true.
I am married to the father of all of my children. (15 years)
I don't run around loosley or frequent bars (short of that twice a year visit when the girls go to hang out)
I don't expose my children to drug use or pedophiles or any other dangerous lifestyle choices.

So based on the mere fact that her mother was a complete loser does not damn the child to that. I am living proof that your arguement is flawed.
For that matter Toth, despite your seeming lack of empathy, you are living proof that not everyone lives up to the steriotype of society.
As you are here intelligently posting.

Amraann
10-03-2003, 04:32 PM
And BTW IMO the mother didn't tell the police because she knew she would be in trouble for leaving her child in addtion to the charges she already faced.
Seems to me she was more worried about her own problems and less about the well being of her child.

Doyle
10-04-2003, 05:47 AM
Attorney: Mother Is Innocent; Full Story of Toddler Not Yet Told
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGAVGGWPCLD.html

MissMisty
10-05-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Toth
Big deal. The little brat is going to grow up to be just like her parents anyway. Only now the taxpayer is footing the bill for the brat and the mother.

Toth,
I used to think you were cool. You have just proved yourself to be an ass. May God have mercy on your barren soul for that comment.
Misty

Toth
10-05-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Amraann
Toth I may tend to agree that the majority of society don't fall far from the tree.
So based on the mere fact that her mother was a complete loser does not damn the child to that. I am living proof that your arguement is flawed.
Ofcourse, the "damning of the child" is a very broad stroke, but in the criminal justice system today we have two points of view: the precisely delineated aspects of factual relevance to the crime and the broader aspects of sociology wherein defendants what to say 'abuse, poverty, drugs, etc.'. These very broad brushstrokes that the defense want to use should also be of concern to the prosecution: so it becomes a matter of broad strokes for the prosecutor as well. Just saying 'we can't damn the child' based on the parents is to me about as sensible as saying 'the state considers gambling to be immoral and gambling debts unenforceable, yet having state run lotteries advertised all over the place. It is a position of absurd contradictions.

We originally only had 'adult law' then we adopted 'juvenile law' on the theory that a paternalistic attitude was proper for such things as kids breaking windows. We basically thought that families were still functional and kids were basically good just a little misguided and unsupervised. A little slap on the wrist for the kid and a stern warning to the parent and everything would be okay. Now we are faced with situations wherein there is an unusual "family" situation, the parent(s) do not really have sufficient skills or desires or values and the kids are not 'basically good' or going to grow up to be 'basically good' kids.

When you have a five year old kindergarted student performing an act on a classmate that Bill Clinton would describe as 'not sex' and you have a nine year old girl accused in juvenile court of 'practicing prostitutuon' who cracks up the entire courtroom, including the judge, with "I wasn't practicing your honor, I know how" you have something that is utterly wrong. When you have a man who is being questioned for jury duty say in open court that he considers it acceptable for a man to utilize his young daugher if for some reason the wife is unable have sex with him, you have a system that is clearly askew.

Now if you want to adopt the official state view that gambling is immoral and that gambling debts are unenforceable in a court of law, fine. You can have that "official view" when you wait on line to get a lottery ticket.

Now if you want to adopt the offical state view that parents and kids are basically good but just got a little bit on the wrong path in life and need a firm but gentle hand fine... but it is your taxes that are going to be paying for the "juvies" who grow up to be criminals.

MissMisty
10-06-2003, 12:25 AM
Huh?!

YadaYada
10-06-2003, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by MissMisty
Huh?!

To put it lightly... My thought's exactly. :rolleyes:

angelsleuth
10-06-2003, 01:17 PM
Did anyone else hear that the mother originally stated that she couldn't "remember" who she had left her daughter with?

Try as they might, I don't think they are going to be able to blame a neighbor or even the Dad.

I'm kinda mad at the social workers though. Why aren't they in deep trouble? It was in one article that this lady had been investigated previously, so that being the case, shouldn't that show up on her records when the police do a check on her? Or isn't there some way that the Social Services are notified of a parents' arrest if the children have been on file?

I know that Social workers in big cities have their hands full, but it looks like a simple "flag" system to red flag certain files of questionable home situations and check on them through police reports.

I don't understand this momma being innocent.

YadaYada
10-06-2003, 01:48 PM
According to this article there were several reports to child protection services..
The father had also been charged with domestic violence. (charges were later dropped.)

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031002/APN/310020947

"There was no way the department could have foreseen this deliberate and unspeakable act of neglect," said Samara Kramer, chief of staff for DCF Secretary Jerry Regier.

According to the Herald's account, Dakeysha Lee was taken into state custody herself at about age 13 when she gave birth to her first child, a daughter. The girl was placed into foster care after DCF was told Lee hit her. She was never returned to her mother.

"There is concern the mother may hurt the baby," the report stated.

In February 2002, the hot line received a complaint that the little girl was not receiving proper supervision from her mother.

nanandjim
10-11-2003, 11:30 AM
My, my...just finished reading all of the posts. I would like to make a few comments.

1. I would bet this was not the first time this baby has had to fend for herself. I am thinking that is what saved her life. Most babies would not know how to survive because their moms have taken care of them.
2. All babies are innocent. She is not old enough to be classified as a "brat."
3. Perhaps, her mother didn't tell anyone that she was going to jail because she didn't want the father to get custody. If the mother was on welfare, it probably was due to the fact that she had a child. She was thinking that she would lose all of those benefits if the child were taken away from her. (Follow the money trail, and you usually will find the reason behind the behavior.)
4. We don't know how this child will turn out, so let's not be so judgmental. Scott Peterson, who apparently had everything anyone could ever ask for, turned out to be a wife/child killer (IMO, of course).
5. Don't get me wrong. I am not a bleeding-heart liberal. I also believe that our taxes are too high. I believe that those who work hard to become successful are then penalized by the government taking about 40 percent of earnings to fund those who haven't worked as hard. But...
6. I have no problem with my tax dollars going to those who are trying to help themselves. I believe that the working poor should be the ones who get the benefits, not the lazy people that think having kids is their right and have no intention of contributing to society. Unfortunately, the working poor oftentimes do not qualify for any benefits because they "make too much money." Hence, those who have no intention of ever giving back to society, are rewarded and reap the benefits.
7. And I hope the Bill Clinton answer of "I don't recall" doesn't get this mother off of the hook. Who in his/her right mind wouldn't know who was taking care of his/her child? Of course, this woman's brain could be fried from drugs, which would take me back to my original thought that the baby has had to fend for herself at other times....
That's all folks!

AussieSim
10-11-2003, 12:16 PM
Hi nanandjim!

Ahhh...such true words.

Toth, I' m shocked. Your pov on this case is so cynical.

This is a baby we're talking about here, an innocent. Not a brat.

Aussie