View Full Version : 9 Dec 2010 - Reports: Elizabeth confessed a second time to killing Gabriel
BeanE
12-09-2010, 10:07 AM
According to new reports Elizabeth confessed a second time to killing Gabe.
The first confession was when she texted Logan. This new second confession being reported was in May, during the interview with Detective Salame.
It's reported that this second confession can't be used without a special ruling from a judge, since her attorney wasn't there during the interview.
Source: Baby Gabriel's Mom Confessed Twice
Johnson Confession Reportedly Came During Jail Interview
Pat McReynolds, CBS 5 News
POSTED: 1:30 pm MST December 7, 2010
UPDATED: 11:02 am MST December 8, 2010
A source close to the missing Baby Gabriel investigation has told CBS 5 News that his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, confessed to a San Antonio, Texas, detective in May she killed her son.
That confession came during an unauthorized meeting between Johnson and the detective in the Estrella Jail in Phoenix, a meeting of which her attorney was unaware.
Because the meeting was unauthorized, it is not admissible in court unless there is a ruling otherwise.
Detective John Salame of the San Antonio Police Department might have been just moments away from learning the location of Gabriel Johnson's body when Johnson's attorney appeared and ended the meeting, the source said.
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Despite Johnson's alleged confession, McQueary said he maintains his belief that Gabriel is still alive.
http://www.kpho.com/news/26050243/detail.html
Admission of guilt reported in baby's death
Published: 12:00 a.m., Thursday, December 9, 2010
SAPD refused to comment on the alleged confession.
“The details of that interview are part of the investigative case file,” SAPD spokesman Sgt. Chris Benavides said in an e-mailed statement. “Therefore, the details cannot be discussed.”
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SAPD Chief William McManus has said the allegations made about Salame were unsubstantiated and would be answered in court, but declined to comment further.
Feldman found out about the interview while it was taking place and stopped it, Alcock said Wednesday by phone.
Johnson filed a motion to change counsel Sept. 27, and last week attorney Marci Kratter became her lead defense attorney.
Kratter, who said Wednesday she “has no idea what's going on,” confirmed she will represent Johnson at a status conference on the case scheduled for Thursday. She declined further comment.
“The only person who really knows what happened in that meeting was Detective Salame,” Alcock said. “He wasn't on drugs.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-reportedly-confessed-to-killing-missing-869422.php
Defense: Adoption talk for missing boy's mom legal
Posted: 10:49 PM
Last Updated: 8 hours and 34 minutes ago
Gabriel's grandfather, Frank McQueary, told ABC15 he and his family appreciate the public support and continue to search for Gabriel.
"We're holding out hope, but with everything that has happened and there being no sign of Gabriel, it really calls into question what exactly did Elizabeth do with that child," said McQueary.
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"We've decided as a family that the best thing we can do to assist the county attorney's office is to let them do their jobs," said Frank McQueary. "We want them (Smith & Elizabeth Johnson) to go through the court process, we want them to be successfully prosecuted."
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/defense:-adoption-talk-for-missing-boy's-mom-legal
TXHOPE
12-09-2010, 10:26 AM
My heart sank yesterday when I read this. A second time?? And to SAPD?? Is that why he risked the interview? He was about to find out where Gabriel is located?? I understood why she would lie to Logan in an attempt to hurt him but why would she lie to a detective about this? I'm just sick. Two things I'm holding on to for hope is she was heavily drugged at the time according to Alcock and this information is from an unnamed source. Please Lord let this sweet baby be somewhere out there safe so he can come home to his Daddy.
YellowSubmarine
12-09-2010, 10:32 AM
I'm in shock. And the fact that this happened back in May and they apparently haven't tried to get more info all because that meeting was "unauthorized" makes me sick.
No matter what, I'm still holding out hope he's alive!
My heart sank yesterday when I read this. A second time?? And to SAPD?? Is that why he risked the interview? He was about to find out where Gabriel is located?? I understood why she would lie to Logan in an attempt to hurt him but why would she lie to a detective about this? I'm just sick. Two things I'm holding on to for hope is she was heavily drugged at the time according to Alcock and this information is from an unnamed source. Please Lord let this sweet baby be somewhere out there safe so he can come home to his Daddy.
Me too TX. This interview occurred less than two weeks after Sorin Stanescu went on TV to tell us that Elizabeth, " is a very nice person" ...."who would never have hurt her child."
It is all so overwhelming.
AZlawyer
12-09-2010, 02:04 PM
This is so sad. Whatever psych drugs EJ was on, apparently they did not put her into such a stupor that she couldn't communicate with the detective or was just talking pure nonsense. Which makes me think she was probably telling the truth. :(
BeanE
12-09-2010, 05:57 PM
Posting for reference regarding the medication Elizabeth was on at the time of the interview:
I believe lithium is used to treat bipolar disorder.
Elizabeth Johnson's Attorney Alleges Unlawful Questioning
Lawyers file motion to dismiss on Friday
Updated: Friday, 08 Oct 2010, 6:29 PM MDT
Published : Friday, 08 Oct 2010, 6:29 PM MDT
According to court paperwork, Johnson was on lithium during the questioning.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/justice/elizabeth-johnson-unlawful-questioning-10-8-2010
Why is this medication prescribed?
Lithium is used to treat and prevent episodes of mania (frenzied, abnormally excited mood) in people with bipolar disorder (manic-depressive disorder; a disease that causes episodes of depression, episodes of mania, and other abnormal moods). Lithium is in a class of medications called antimanic agents. It works by decreasing abnormal activity in the brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000531
iluvmua
12-09-2010, 06:23 PM
I'm not shocked, I figured this is probably what happened all along.
Makes me sick that EJ could possibly go free.
She didn't have to kill him, that the whole point, she had OTHER options.....
why not sign away at your parental rights if you did not want him... It's so very obvious that Logan and his family DID want Gabriel.
:furious:
kappy50
12-09-2010, 08:04 PM
Not to be o/t here, but report on NG tonight on Master Gabe...probably nothing new, at least there is some national coverage.
cyberborg
12-09-2010, 08:14 PM
Sad. Very sad.
I think this was always a foregone conclusion given that EJ was willing to sit in jail rather than lead LE to Baby Gabriel alive or dead and her actions/demeanor.
It is sad though that if she did kill Gabriel why not assist in locating him to bring him home and allow Gabriel to be laid to rest with respect and love?
Did she do this just to spite Logan and is that the reason that Gabriel is not found and this isn't a closed case? Hatred and Spite are powerfully destructive irrational emotions.
cluciano63
12-09-2010, 08:50 PM
I also think this little baby has been dead all along...I don't think she would say she had killed him if she had not. I just never believe these people who say they gave the child or children away...maybe it happens, rarely, but sadly, the children are murdered far more often...
alsmom
12-09-2010, 09:33 PM
I decided sometime back this little guy was no longer with us also. I didn't want to accept, but it's all that made sense. She was way to vague with info, and I don't believe even she would sit in jail this long and not give up who she gave the baby to. There's no way she gave him to a totally unknown basically nameless couple. She is diabolical. She had either killed the baby when she sent the father the text or planned to and did it right after. So horrible. :(
Ransom
12-09-2010, 09:50 PM
Posting for reference regarding the medication Elizabeth was on at the time of the interview:
Elizabeth Johnson's Attorney Alleges Unlawful Questioning
The ATTORNEY alleges this.
dr dona
12-09-2010, 10:05 PM
if u caught Nancy Grace, Elizabeth allegedly confessed to killing Gabe and putting him in the diaper bag and tossing both into a dumpster. I for one think that is just what she did!!!! we all suspected she got rid of both.
LadyL
12-10-2010, 01:01 AM
this has been discussed before ... but I'm not sure what happened to the thread - maybe we didn't have proper MSM links then ... ?
c@rol
12-10-2010, 01:12 AM
Such sad news. The way she carried on and led everyone on.. I had really hoped it was out there. As time went on, I think it became pretty clear he was no longer with us. Shame they can't use the info
DairyGirl
12-10-2010, 01:35 AM
I still don't know what to believe. EJ is very unstable and I don't think she even knows what she did. It never made sense that she would give the baby to strangers and not leave some kind of trail but it is also hard to believe that she could kill him and not leave any evidence. The worst thing is for LM. He may never know what happened to his son.
BeanE
12-10-2010, 06:53 AM
I can not find it in my heart to give up hope that this precious baby is alive, and so, I continue to look for him.
kappy50
12-10-2010, 08:02 AM
As I do feel he is still alive, I hope the progression picture get's out in the eyes of the public. I feel, especially now, it is very important and more likely to be noticed. Adorable picture, just adorable...
iluvmua
12-10-2010, 08:54 AM
I still don't know what to believe. EJ is very unstable and I don't think she even knows what she did. It never made sense that she would give the baby to strangers and not leave some kind of trail but it is also hard to believe that she could kill him and not leave any evidence. The worst thing is for LM. He may never know what happened to his son.
Well, If she strangled him with her bare hands/ smothered him with a pillow and put him in the diaper bag and put the diaper bag in the dumpster, I don't think there would be any evidence unless someone found the diaper bag.
I also tend to believe that she killed him when it was dark outside and disposed of his body under the cover of darkness so that no one would suspect anything if they saw her near a dumpster.
MOO ( My Own Opinion)
pghbrandi
12-10-2010, 09:19 AM
Well, If she strangled him with her bare hands/ smothered him with a pillow and put him in the diaper bag and put the diaper bag in the dumpster, I don't think there would be any evidence unless someone found the diaper bag.
I also tend to believe that she killed him when it was dark outside and disposed of his body under the cover of darkness so that no one would suspect anything if they saw her near a dumpster.
MOO ( My Own Opinion)
Didn't they search the landfill and come up with nothing?
I still think (or maybe just want to believe) that she gave him away and is terrified of the other people involved.
TXHOPE
12-10-2010, 10:07 AM
Transcript last night regarding Gabriel from Nancy Grace:
Everybody, we want to take you right now to the great state of Arizona. When I`ve heard about the development in this case, I couldn`t believe it. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did baby Gabriel`s mom Elizabeth Johnson allegedly confess to killing her baby?
KPHO reporting a source close to the investigation tells them that Johnson confessed during what`s being described as an unauthorized meeting between Johnson and a San Antonio police detective.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it`s a very real possibility that Elizabeth killed Gabriel.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Allegedly told her ex-boyfriend she killed the child.
LOGAN MCQUEARY, BABY GABRIEL`S FATHER: She put it in the text that I killed him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That she killed him?
MCQUEARY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Now reports the alleged confession will never see the inside of a courtroom. Why?
MCQUEARY: Once you betray her trust or she thinks you did, she will not talk to you, won`t do anything for you, never -- you know, it`s just how she is.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
CASAREZ: All right. Let us go straight out to Phoenix, Arizona, Mike Sakal. He is a reporter with the "East Valley Tribune."
Mike, the last thing I remember on this story was Elizabeth Johnson had said that she had given baby Gabriel away to another family, another couple in San Antonio, somebody she met at a park.
Well, now we have developments. Start out with a San Antonio detective, goes to Arizona and actually talks with her in a room and she confesses?
MIKE SAKAL, REPORTER, EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE: Correct. This interview happened in May when detective Jesus Salome flew into Arizona, got into the Maricopa County and straight to jail. And he apparently interviewed Elizabeth for a number of hours without her legal counsel present when she was reportedly on medication. And that is when they are saying --
CASAREZ: But Mike, that`s OK. If she waived her rights, she can talk. It`s free, it`s voluntary. But what`s the issue here?
SAKAL: The issue -- well, her former attorneys are claiming, contending that her Sixth Amendment rights were violated because her legal counsel was not present. And the detective in San Antonio contends, while this didn`t have anything to do with the case in Arizona, and now Elizabeth`s new attorney has been granted a motion by a Maricopa County judge for him.
A judge signed an out-of-state subpoena to try to get Detective Salome into Arizona to testify. However this could create a legal quagmire in the case because --
CASAREZ: Mike.
SAKAL: Sure.
CASAREZ: Mike, did she confess to killing baby Gabriel?
SAKAL: According to what other media reports understand and the McQueary family, they understand that Elizabeth has said that --
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCQUEARY: She`s very, very stubborn. Very secretive. She -- you know, it`s hard to get anything out of her. I`m just hoping, you know, she`ll have a change of mind and change of heart, and just tell somebody exactly what happened.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Breaking news. KPHO reporting that baby Gabriel`s mom Elizabeth Johnson allegedly confessed to a San Antonio police detective that she killed baby Gabriel.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
CASAREZ: Elizabeth Johnson takes baby Gabriel from Arizona to San Antonio. She is in a San Antonio motel. She tells everybody she gives the baby to a couple she meets at a San Antonio park. She then goes on her way from San Antonio. Now she`s charged with kidnapping.
To Mike Sakal, reporter our of Phoenix, Arizona, tonight, the "East Valley Tribune." What I was asking you when we went to break, we know a San Antonio detective went to Arizona, he spoke with her for hours.
Did she confess to killing baby Gabriel?
SAKAL: Yes. According to media reports and KPHO, as well as the McQueary family, they understand that Elizabeth has said -- once again, for the second time that she has killed her son. The details of her confession have not been revealed. But we may learn more in January. If not sooner.
CASAREZ: All right. To Eleanor Odom. Felony prosecutor Eleanor Odom out of Atlanta, Georgia. This confession, prosecution is saying, they don`t think they can use it because that she may have been incompetent, that she was on medication, could not have voluntarily waived her rights.
Further more, the defense is saying that there was an inappropriate touching from the San Antonio detective. How can this confession be saved?
E. ODOM: I don`t know that it can be saved because she was not Mirandized most importantly. But here`s one way it might be saved. She also allegedly confessed to the baby`s father so they could use that confession.
CASAREZ: All right.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/09/ng.01.html
iluvmua
12-10-2010, 10:27 AM
Didn't they search the landfill and come up with nothing?
I still think (or maybe just want to believe) that she gave him away and is terrified of the other people involved.
Remember, she drove to Victoria, she could have disposed of him out there.
nobody knows which dumpster she went to.
Why would she be terrified of other people involved? She's in Jail, they can't hurt her.
I think she did exactly what she told Logan she did.
Almost a year later and "Mystery Couple" have yet to be identified.
iluvmua
12-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Such sad news. The way she carried on and led everyone on.. I had really hoped it was out there. As time went on, I think it became pretty clear he was no longer with us. Shame they can't use the info
They still have the text message she sent Logan. Hopefully, they can use that.
I bet once they charge her with First Degree Murder and the DP (Texas is one state you DO NOT mess around with when it comes to the DP).
I bet she'll really start talking. If they do charge her with 1st degree murder (and I very likely think this will happen). I can see her doing a plea deal.
pghbrandi
12-10-2010, 10:45 AM
Remember, she drove to Victoria, she could have disposed of him out there.
nobody knows which dumpster she went to.
Why would she be terrified of other people involved? She's in Jail, they can't hurt her.
I think she did exactly what she told Logan she did.
Almost a year later and "Mystery Couple" have yet to be identified.
I do remember.
I don't know why she would be terrified of others involved. I was just throwing out thoughts.
danisisa
12-10-2010, 05:35 PM
I have thought and thought about this interview with the detective and what EJ knows about the laws. She okayed the interview and in my opinion, she knew that the Det could be violating her 6th Amendment Rights. SHe knows the system well and most likely she knew nothing in that interview could be used against her. Therefore, saying again that she killed G would make the public not look for him. She know the text she sent to Logan can be used against her. She is good at playing poker face and someone needs to beat her at her own game. JMHO Cause seriously, the evidence from TS shows EJ and she were talking after she sent LM the text. SHe would have 1 hr to dispose of kill, dispose of G without getting caught in a place that she is not familiar with. It just does not seem possible on because wherever G was handed off, it happened between 10am and 11am. Broad daylight? Don't think so.ive
Another thing that sticks out for hand off is the fact that the car seat was strewn into the car. That tells me she took the car seat out to give it to the couple, but they had brought their own. If someone brings their own, and similar size to the TS has, they were looking at keeping this child for awhile. WHO TOLD THEM WHAT SIZE TO GET??? I have a good idea!!
burbqueen
12-10-2010, 05:49 PM
i knew all along EJ was a crazy liar that killed her baby. I am shocked she confessed, but she should at least be decent and tell where she put the body. If she didnt want the baby why not just give him back to the father. Lord have mercy... My baby is almost 8 months now. I cant even imagine how u can hurt a child. I cant even go there.
sleuth2001
12-10-2010, 06:24 PM
I still believe he is alive. Why would she go through all the motions she went through just to off him in San Antonio of all places. No way did she just magically end up there, pay someone to babysit and eat pizza with someone. She was there for a few days as well not just one night. She kept in contact with the people whom she originally was going to give him to even though she knew he wasn't going to them either because she killed him or she gave him to someone else. She most likely stayed in contact with them because they helped her arrange everything. Why else would she kept in touch with them. If her plan was to ditch the baby with strangers or kill him and then head off to Floridia then why bother with people she barely knew.
iluvmua
12-10-2010, 08:10 PM
I still believe he is alive. Why would she go through all the motions she went through just to off him in San Antonio of all places. No way did she just magically end up there, pay someone to babysit and eat pizza with someone. She was there for a few days as well not just one night. She kept in contact with the people whom she originally was going to give him to even though she knew he wasn't going to them either because she killed him or she gave him to someone else. She most likely stayed in contact with them because they helped her arrange everything. Why else would she kept in touch with them. If her plan was to ditch the baby with strangers or kill him and then head off to Floridia then why bother with people she barely knew.
I don't believe there ever was a mystery couple. I believe that the supposed "Couple" was Tammi & Jack Smith all along.
I would believe Gabriel is still alive except for a couple of things:
1. No Witnesses have come forward
2. I doubt EJ is going to sit in jail all this time just to protect this "mystery" couple; she's doing it to save her own butt.
3. EJ has shown that she is VERY capable of violence
4. EJ's hatred of Gabriel
5. EJ's Hatred of Logan
Khristi
12-10-2010, 11:19 PM
I have always felt too that Gabriel is no longer with us, and with this second confession, it only confirms what a lot of us believed. Of course, there are those that hold out hope, then everyone is entitle to their opinion. I always felt the scenario of parental kidnapping, all the rage and anger against Logan, and EJ's deeply troubled state of mind all contributed to the unspeakable act she must have committed against the poor defenseless baby. As we now face a new case, the missing Skelton boys, I feel the same dynamics are at work. The parent is seeking revenge against the other parent by killing the child. (this time 3 children instead of 1) So incredibly sad to see these cases on the news, but I felt from day one that this was the case in Gabe's case, especially hearing her confession and spite in the text messages. Hopefully Det. Salame could give more info and clues so that they could try to bring him (Gabriel) home for a proper buriel. No other scenarios add up him being alive- no sightings, E not saying where he is, her first confession to Logan, her state of mind. So sad....
OneLove
12-11-2010, 02:46 AM
I don't believe there ever was a mystery couple. I believe that the supposed "Couple" was Tammi & Jack Smith all along.
I would believe Gabriel is still alive except for a couple of things:
1. No Witnesses have come forward
2. I doubt EJ is going to sit in jail all this time just to protect this "mystery" couple; she's doing it to save her own butt.
3. EJ has shown that she is VERY capable of violence
4. EJ's hatred of Gabriel
5. EJ's Hatred of Logan
Good list, and I'll add one more VITAL one to the list, which is MY OPINION ONLY and not a diagnosis:
6. EJ has a mental illness marked by extreme lack of empathy for anyone, including her own child, and also marked by episodic rages beyond control.
Having worked with young women sadly impaired in this way, I have always leaned towards believing she did kill sweet precious Gabriel in either a mad rage or deep depression, leaning toward mad rage. Her text to Logan was real. She realized quickly the written confession could end her own life, so she recanted. - - I wonder how the Smiths will feel if it is proven that she did murder her son and they helped push her to it? My opinion only, of course. :(
iluvmua
12-11-2010, 02:30 PM
Good list, and I'll add one more VITAL one to the list, which is MY OPINION ONLY and not a diagnosis:
6. EJ has a mental illness marked by extreme lack of empathy for anyone, including her own child, and also marked by episodic rages beyond control.
Having worked with young women sadly impaired in this way, I have always leaned towards believing she did kill sweet precious Gabriel in either a mad rage or deep depression, leaning toward mad rage. Her text to Logan was real. She realized quickly the written confession could end her own life, so she recanted. - - I wonder how the Smiths will feel if it is proven that she did murder her son and they helped push her to it? My opinion only, of course. :(
Do you think they (EJ's lawyers) will go for the "Elizabeth was mentally insane when she drove to San Antonio" defense?
OneLove
12-11-2010, 05:10 PM
Do you think they (EJ's lawyers) will go for the "Elizabeth was mentally insane when she drove to San Antonio" defense?
I've given up trying to second-guess strategy, but I believe that bipolar, post-partum depression, and the multitude of personality disorders that have been raised regarding EJ do not qualify as insane. Knowing right from wrong, ya know. She DID recant rather quickly, and she WAS able to plot and scheme herself all the way to Florida, with booty to boot!
The_Flashlight
12-14-2010, 03:26 AM
I think that the second "confession" might be another manipulation/red herring to divert LE or anyone looking for Gabriel. If everyone thinks he's deceased nobody's going to be loojing for a living child...
kappy50
12-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Flash...good to see ya...hope you're doing ok!
BeanE
12-15-2010, 01:39 PM
NEW YORK, Dec. 15, 2010
Baby Gabriel Mom Makes Possible Confession
In Taped Phone Calls, Voice Said to Be Elizabeth Johnson Tells Baby's Father She Suffocated Son, Put Him in Dumpster
Article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/15/earlyshow/living/parenting/main7152004.shtml
Looks like you have to click the title on each of these videos to get them to play.
"Baby Gabriel" Case: A Closer Look
December 15, 2010 8:56 AM
TruTV's "In Session" correspondent, Beth Karas talks to Harry Smith about the "Baby Gabriel" case.
Video: "Baby Gabriel" Case: A Closer Look - CBS News Video
Possible "Baby Gabriel" Confession
In audio tapes acquired by CBS station KPHO, the mother of missing baby Gabriel allegedly confesses to killing him to get back at her boyfriend. Bill Whitaker reports.
11:46 AM EST 12/15/2010
Video: Possible "Baby Gabriel" Confession - CBS News Video
Katie267
12-16-2010, 01:41 AM
I'm not sure why if she planned on killing Gabriel...WHY she drove to san antonio tx, sold all her personal belongings to get down there, used a GPS/had directions written down, stated in a motel for several days, ordered 2 LARGE pizzas (too much pizza for one person..) and then left for florida later. It doesn't make sense. If she wanted to kill him why would she drive all the way there? And why did Tammi Smith give her the GPS? I'm leaning on hoping she did give him away, but at this point I have no idea!!
Katie267
12-16-2010, 01:42 AM
Also. how can anyone explain the babysitter that watched him at the hotel in San Antonio for a while while EJ went out with some random people? I think she was meeting the adoption people. She didn't know anone in San Antonio, but Tammi Smith did. The hotel that she stayed it is known to detectives as an underground adoption hotspot.
BeanE
12-16-2010, 08:05 AM
I'm not sure why if she planned on killing Gabriel...WHY she drove to san antonio tx, sold all her personal belongings to get down there, used a GPS/had directions written down, stated in a motel for several days, ordered 2 LARGE pizzas (too much pizza for one person..) and then left for florida later. It doesn't make sense. If she wanted to kill him why would she drive all the way there? And why did Tammi Smith give her the GPS? I'm leaning on hoping she did give him away, but at this point I have no idea!!
BBM. So far as I know, that's a Facebook/internet rumor.
BeanE
12-16-2010, 08:05 AM
Also. how can anyone explain the babysitter that watched him at the hotel in San Antonio for a while while EJ went out with some random people? I think she was meeting the adoption people. She didn't know anone in San Antonio, but Tammi Smith did. The hotel that she stayed it is known to detectives as an underground adoption hotspot.
BBM. So far as I know, that's a Facebook/internet rumor.
Katie267
12-16-2010, 08:12 PM
BBM. So far as I know, that's a Facebook/internet rumor.
Not when it comes out of the mouth of a famous private investigator working closely with LE, as it did.
BeanE
12-16-2010, 08:38 PM
Not when it comes out of the mouth of a famous private investigator working closely with LE, as it did.
Neither of the famous private investigators worked closely with LE, very unfortunately. Reference the letter Gabe's dad's attorney had to send to one of them that was reported in MSM.
There was someone who claimed to be an adoption expert, but who refused to even identify themselves for a media report, who claimed the hotel was used for underground adoptions. In my research, I found that the hotel was used at times for expectant mothers by some adoption agencies for legal adoptions, as are many different hotels. I believe that was the basis from which that rumor spawned.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Baby-Gabriel-Update-SA-police-detective-to-testify/Yf8EWjB2ikyKYB-AwrBk9g.cspx
Detective Salame is scheduled to testify in a depostion on March 10.
I wonder if it will be in San Antonio.
Seek&Find
02-03-2011, 06:59 PM
I know it looks like I'm new, but I've been lurking for years. :seeya:
I've followed Gabriel's case, but I haven't read every post. It hit me a moment ago - could half of her confession to both Logan and the detective and half of the initial statement to police, the hand-off at the park, be true? Could she have killed Gabe :sick:, put him in the diaper bag, then buried him at a park, so then he'd be only hers, as she said to the detective, so she could potentially go visit the park later in life if she wanted to? This might be unlikely as she'd risk people seeing her...but not impossible. Or could she have disposed of him in the diaper bag in the trash at a park, so if, in the unlikely event he was discovered, it'd be harder to trace who he was? In her mind, was this the "handoff" between her old life and her new one? IDK
This case is hard, for so many reasons. Sometimes I think he's giggling in heaven and sometimes I think he's alive and hidden here on earth.
Tammi is a piece of work, though. Sadly, I recognize her, as my mom is very much like her. I'm a Christian and it saddens me to see people claim a relationship with Him to cover lies, half-truths, manipulations, and narcissistic selfishness as a lifestyle, when we are called to the exact opposite. All the details of her interference make me think she could very well have orchestrated a handoff. Especially since there doesn't ever seem to be any desperation/urgency over Gabriel's location and well-being in her conversation with Elizabeth after her arrest. The egging on, as in (paraphrased) "So if they're my friends, what are their names?" just seems, IMO, to be kind of smug like "I covered my tracks, even with you." All JMO
I've prayed for Gabriel, his family, and this situation for months. Still hoping that the truth will be revealed and Gabriel found soon...today would be good!
BeanE, thanks for your devotion and hardwork on Gabriel's behalf.
pghbrandi
02-03-2011, 07:10 PM
Welcome to WS Seek&Find!:seeya:
BeanE
02-04-2011, 04:41 AM
Welcome to Gabe's forum, Seek&Find. Thank you for caring about him. It means a lot to his family.
iluvmua
02-04-2011, 02:34 PM
I know it looks like I'm new, but I've been lurking for years. :seeya:
I've followed Gabriel's case, but I haven't read every post. It hit me a moment ago - could half of her confession to both Logan and the detective and half of the initial statement to police, the hand-off at the park, be true? Could she have killed Gabe :sick:, put him in the diaper bag, then buried him at a park, so then he'd be only hers, as she said to the detective, so she could potentially go visit the park later in life if she wanted to? This might be unlikely as she'd risk people seeing her...but not impossible. Or could she have disposed of him in the diaper bag in the trash at a park, so if, in the unlikely event he was discovered, it'd be harder to trace who he was? In her mind, was this the "handoff" between her old life and her new one? IDK
This case is hard, for so many reasons. Sometimes I think he's giggling in heaven and sometimes I think he's alive and hidden here on earth.
Tammi is a piece of work, though. Sadly, I recognize her, as my mom is very much like her. I'm a Christian and it saddens me to see people claim a relationship with Him to cover lies, half-truths, manipulations, and narcissistic selfishness as a lifestyle, when we are called to the exact opposite. All the details of her interference make me think she could very well have orchestrated a handoff. Especially since there doesn't ever seem to be any desperation/urgency over Gabriel's location and well-being in her conversation with Elizabeth after her arrest. The egging on, as in (paraphrased) "So if they're my friends, what are their names?" just seems, IMO, to be kind of smug like "I covered my tracks, even with you." All JMO
I've prayed for Gabriel, his family, and this situation for months. Still hoping that the truth will be revealed and Gabriel found soon...today would be good!
BeanE, thanks for your devotion and hardwork on Gabriel's behalf.
I think whatever she did with him, she did it when it was dark so no one would be suspicious of her.
tmiles
02-12-2011, 02:36 AM
I think whatever she did with him, she did it when it was dark so no one would be suspicious of her.
IMO IF she killed Gabe, she did exactly what she said she did: smothered him, stuffed him in his diaper bag and threw him in the trash. I can't see EJ lurking around in the dark digging a grave in some city she had only been in for a week and barely knew. She also told Logan she killed him "this morning"....so probably wasn't doing anything under the cover of darkness. But then I also believe 100% that Gabe is alive and this whole story was her way of punishing Logan. It is obvious, based on the letters she has written during her incarceration, that she has a flair for the dramatic.
iluvmua
02-22-2011, 09:52 AM
IMO IF she killed Gabe, she did exactly what she said she did: smothered him, stuffed him in his diaper bag and threw him in the trash. I can't see EJ lurking around in the dark digging a grave in some city she had only been in for a week and barely knew. She also told Logan she killed him "this morning"....so probably wasn't doing anything under the cover of darkness. But then I also believe 100% that Gabe is alive and this whole story was her way of punishing Logan. It is obvious, based on the letters she has written during her incarceration, that she has a flair for the dramatic.
If she really wanted to punish Logan, she would punish him in a way he would NEVER get to see his son ever again, which is to kill little Gabriel.
I don't think EJ would play hide and seek with Logan knowing there is a very REAL chance he could eventually be located and returned to Logan and his family. EJ knows that if Gabriel is located he goes back to Logan and family.
EJ DOES NOT want that. She does not want the Smith's to have him either.
Everything points to EJ killing Gabriel. He could still be out there alive but it's very doubtful. This is like the Casey Anthony case all over again.
Casey wanted to punish Cindy, so she killed Caylee. It's the same way with EJ.
Silkprint
07-05-2011, 03:24 AM
I hope this little boy is still alive but I really don't . You just don't know how wrong I want to be .
This is when I wish we tortured people .
I mean that . Like with Casey Anthony . I think we all get a little primal when it comes to kids safety . I am going to go through and get up to date on this case ..but he has been gone for too long and she threatened his life too many times . She won't tell because she killed him .
noopy
07-05-2011, 11:43 PM
will there ever be justice for gabriel? i think not... after casey anthony was found not guilty, i doubt any moms who kill their children will be found guilty as long as they don't to it admit. in gabriel's case, there's not even a body, how can she ever be found guilty of murder? i have no faith in the US justice system anymore, there is simply no justice. feeling shocked and outraged and disappointed tonight, for all the guilty criminals who got away with murder.
iluvmua
07-06-2011, 09:29 PM
They can charge her without a body. They have 2 confessions so far. (one by phone and one by text).
IF EJ gets off then I REALLY will believe that there is never justice for any crime.
noopy
07-06-2011, 11:41 PM
they can charge her with murder or anything they want, but even if they did, there's no body, no one saw her commit the act of killing, and that means 'reasonable doubt' based on our justice system, no? so the jury will find she is not guilty. i felt casey anthony's case had more compelling evidence than elizabeth johnson's case - at least there was evidence that caylee is dead, but if ca can get away, then ej will too. she isn't even being tried for murder anyway! i personally believe they both did it, both have the same pattern of lying, of not showing any emotions (not an ounce of concern) for their child being dead/missing, and only caring about themselves... i can't imagine that being the response of a grieving mother, unless they wanted their child dead in the first place.
The_Flashlight
07-07-2011, 01:39 AM
they can charge her with murder or anything they want, but even if they did, there's no body, no one saw her commit the act of killing, and that means 'reasonable doubt' based on our justice system, no? so the jury will find she is not guilty. I felt Casey Anthony's case had more compelling evidence than elizabeth johnson's case - at least there was evidence that caylee is dead, but if ca can get away, then ej will too. she isn't even being tried for murder anyway! i personally believe they both did it, both have the same pattern of lying, of not showing any emotions (not an ounce of concern) for their child being dead/missing, and only caring about themselves... i can't imagine that being the response of a grieving mother, unless they wanted their child dead in the first place.
I feel your cynicism noopy, but I have hope in my heart still even after that monstrous blow. When I heard the verdict I almost vomited right there on the spot.
People will question God in this matter, but that's where a lot of people have confused Man's World with God's World. The Judicial system is man made and like the Holocaust responsibility rests solely on Man's (society's) shoulder. God gave man freewill what we have done with it spans the spectrum from the wondrous to the appalling.
I have hope in my heart because of my faith in My understanding of what I call God and mankind. Man can and does get things right all of the time. Because we live in this free society whose judicial system emphasizes the rights of the accused, this will happen from time to time. Conversely Innocent people get convicted all of the time as well. But I would gander to guess that 90+% of the time, we get it right. I will pray for you to not lose hope. Hope is essential to survival for us!!!
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