The Beaumont Children (3 missing siblings) A possible international abduction?

[emma l]

The Beaumont Children
I thought I'd post this because it is a definite possible international abduction. Multiple abductions for purely sinister motives are extremely rare and these children might still be alive and grown-up somewhere. In fact there has been a possible sighting of them (See bottom link).

These 3 siblings have been missing since 1966 when they went to a beach near their home in Australia and never returned. Some two years later their parents received letters supposedly written by Jane (the eldest) asking her father to collect them from "the man. He never showed up with them.

Their Doe matches for a short summary of the case.................

7 year old Arnna http://doenetwork.us/cases/574dfsau.html

9 year old Jane http://doenetwork.us/cases/573dfsau.html

4 year old Grant http://doenetwork.us/cases/392dmsau.html

An in depth summary with a transcript of letters from Jane referring to "The Man" who was holding them......................
http://www.felicity.com.au/crimefiles.htm

And a couple of 2004 updates
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/11/1084041395602.html?from=storylhs

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=6335

A possible sighting of them? If the letters received after they disappeared were from Jane then it is possible that they are alive, in a different country, not knowing who they are.

I just wanted to post this because I can't imagine the pain of losing ALL your children like this, and one small thing might help. You never know who might read this.

[amandab]

Emma-

This is a fascinating read; I'd never heard of them before.

Thank you for bringing these cold cases to our attention; they deserve to be looked at again.

-Amanda

[Hadey]

I am very familiar with this case but have heard nothing more on
the NZ sightings.

The police in Adelaide think that the children were murdered by
a sadistic homosexual named Bevan von Einem. This man murdered
at least 3 young men including a television newsreaders son.
There is a story under sexual predators on courttv if you would like to
read more about this case and why the police think this man is involved with the Beamont children.

There have been lots of "sightings" of the Beamont children over the years
but they have been proved false.

[messiecake]

Emma-Thanks for the links!

I too came across this case on the Doe network but never saw any follow-ups.

Quite interesting to say the least!
Im very intriqued by the woman who claims she saw the strange man and 3 children in the empty house.

[Ghostwheel]

1966 and this is 2004. The oldest would be 47 by now. I'm not thinking anyone still has them captive, just by logistics, but they could have a whole new life, not knowing who they are. You would think the oldest would remember.

I cannot imagine a 9 year old being responsible (on a bus yet) for two younger siblings, but it looks like it was something they must have done before. :confused:

[Ghostwheel]

I am very familiar with this case but have heard nothing more on
the NZ sightings.

The police in Adelaide think that the children were murdered by
a sadistic homosexual named Bevan von Einem. This man murdered
at least 3 young men including a television newsreaders son.
There is a story under sexual predators on courttv if you would like to
read more about this case and why the police think this man is involved with the Beamont children.

There have been lots of "sightings" of the Beamont children over the years
but they have been proved false.Could you give me a link to the CourtTV information. I'm not finding it fast enough. Thanks.

[Juliana]

Could you give me a link to the CourtTV information. I'm not finding it fast enough. Thanks.

Here's a link:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/adelaide/corpses_1.html


I had trouble finding the story too, but finally figured out how to do a search.

[Hadey]

I was living in Adelaide at the time Von Einem committed these murders.
There are a lot of things that just dont add up.

The public in Adelaide was stunned when the judge disallowed most of the evidence in the Von Einem case.There were already rumors that there were
influential people (judges and high profile businessmen) involved in a pedophile ring that committed these murders.

I asked my son in law (a policeman) about the Beaumont childrens sighting in NZ and he said it had been proven to be false.

[jat]

I cannot imagine a 9 year old being responsible (on a bus yet) for two younger siblings, but it looks like it was something they must have done before. :confused:

My husband and I just returned from Australia where we stayed in Adelaide (actually just visited...stayed on Kangaroo Island off the coast near Adelaide), but Adelaide is a pretty small city surrounded by rural towns. I can image in 1966 it was even more rural. It definitely has a small town vibe where I can see a 9 year old taking care of the two younger siblins.

Heck, when I was 9 I live in a suburb of Philadelphia called Marcus Hook. The place was about as nice as the name sounds. My mom let me take my 1 year old brother, 4 year old sister out in the stroller to the local parades and fairs on Holidays! Now, I am dumbfounded by this now being a parent, but she sure as the heck let me do it and I sure as the heck felt like I was capable at the time. Scary.

[Hadey]

There may be a breakthrough in this case.

Police from Victoria and three other states in Australia have been
questioning a child killer who has been incarcerated for 35 years in connection
with the Beaumont childrens disappearance as well as the murders of two girls in the sand dunes at Wanda beach in Sydney and a boy in Canberra between 1965 and 1968.
Derek Percy was found not guilty by reason of insanity for the rape torture and murder of 12 year old Yvonne Tuohy in Victoria in 1969. He is currently Victorias longest serving prisoner.
Percy has refused to submit to a dna test but it looks like the Victorian government is going to change the laws to make it compulsory for him to have the test.
As soon as i hear more about this case i will update this thread.

[emma l]

Thanks for that Haydey. I was just thinking about these children this morning, funnily enough................I hope their parents are able to find out what happened to them. Please keep us updated if you hear anything else..............

[WasBlind]

Derek Percy (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Derek+Percy%22&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8) matches.

Old photo (http://www.mako.org.au/temppercy.html) & profile of Derek.

News link (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1294646.htm)

[WasBlind]

18th May, 2004

Victoria`s longest-serving prisoner is at the centre of investigations into a string of notorious child murders dating back to the 1960s.

The "cold case murders" being reviewed included the presumed murder of 12-year-old Linda Stillwell at Melbourne`s bayside St Kilda in 1968, police spokesman Kevin Loomes confirmed today.

"Detectives are following up a number of leads in relation to this case and others," he said in a statement.

A confidential police circular revealed today named Derek Percy as the man at the centre of the fresh investigations.

The investigations are believed to cover three states, including the 1966 disappearance of Adelaide`s three Beaumont children - Jane, nine, Arnna, seven, and Grant, four - Sydney`s Wanda Beach murders of 15-year-olds Christine Sharrock and Marianne Schmidt in 1965 and the September 1966 murder of six-year-old Canberra boy Alan Redston.

Percy, 55, has been in jail since 1969 for the rape, murder and mutilation of a 12-year-old girl.

"Percy is currently being investigated by detectives regarding his possible involvement in several unsolved child murders in the 1960s," the homicide squad circular said.

Percy was found not guilty by reason of insanity but has been considered too dangerous to release into the community.

In 1998 Justice Geoffrey Eames refused to release him, saying Percy still posed a danger to children and had never sought treatment for his condition, described as sadistic paedophilia.

Linda Stillwell was seven when she disappeared at St Kilda on August 10 1968.

Her body was never found.

Despite being found mentally ill Percy`s requests to be moved to a psychiatric hospital have been turned down and he remains in custody at Ararat Prison western Victoria.

link (http://www.crimenet.com.au/show_editorial.phtml?sid=e827579e12f0d74754114ff2e 0c5a7e6&id=770)

[KT Can]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Beaumonts-killer-quizzed/2005/02/02/1107228769122.html?oneclick=true

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking-News/Killer-questioned-over-Beaumont-mystery/2005/02/02/1107228767802.html?oneclick=true

http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1294646.htm

[MattFromBris]

1966 and this is 2004. The oldest would be 47 by now. I'm not thinking anyone still has them captive, just by logistics, but they could have a whole new life, not knowing who they are. You would think the oldest would remember.

I cannot imagine a 9 year old being responsible (on a bus yet) for two younger siblings, but it looks like it was something they must have done before. :confused:
Adelaide in the 60s was a very very close knit community, the township of Glenelg (10 min drive from where i used to live) was even tighter. Parents had no fears of such thing happening, even after the kidnapping and murder of Graeme Thorne on July 1 1960, 5 years 6 months before the Beaumont children went missing... it happened in Sydney.

What a lot of people dont know about the Beaumont Children's case is that the man seen with them on the beach, is also the suspect of a dual kidnapping or 2 young girls, Joanna Ratclife and Kirsty Gordon from Adelaide Oval in 1973

Both cases, the Beaumont Children and the 2 Adelaide Oval girls, have had Bevan Spencer Von Einem linked to them.

Then you could also ask.. is he the blonde "surfie" seen by Wolfgang Schmidt talking to his sister Marianne and her friend Christine Sharrock on Wanda Beach in Sydney Jan 11 1965. the girls were murdered on the beach and left in a shallow grave.

Von Einem is still serving his sentence in Adelaide's Yatala Prison for the crimes of Murder against Alan Barnes and Mark Langley.

Matt
mbaker@realtime-systems.com

[blueclouds]

So MATT - ?? Are you stating that Wolfgang Schmidt saw the surfer with these children and that this guy buried them on the beach? If there was a shallow grave, how did they not locate it?

Could you provide more details? This is interesting. AND one more question. Did WOlfgang get a picture of this guy??? He (Wolfgang) is THE Wolfgang - photographer I am assuming.


ADDING: HERE IS INFORMATION this potential killer http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/adelaide/man_4.html

[MattFromBris]

Blueclouds.

Wolfgang (7), his older sister Marianna (15), her friend Christine (15), and Wolfgang's other siblings - Peter (10), Trixie (9), Norbert (6).

Christine went for a walk by herself along the beach, came back after a short time. the group then went for a walk along a beach track into the Wanda Beach Sand Dunes.

Marianne and Christine told the other children to stay where they were hidden in the udnes while they themselves went back and gotthe beach bags they left at Cronulla Beach.

2:30pm the following day, after the children had gone home without the 2 older girls, a Tourist spotted drag marks in the sand with his 3 nephews, where the marks ended they brused away the sand and found the girls laying there, brutally beaten.

Wolfgang admited to police that he had disobeyed his sisters instructions to stay put and followed the girls a short way, he had seen a "surfie" type talking to the girls, the man had a knife in a sheath straped to his waist.

the broken tip of a bloody knife was found at the crime scene.

[PrayersForMaura]

Child killer to face questions on 1968 murder

Authorities hope a new inquest can solve a decades-old mystery, writes Les Kennedy.
VICTORIA'S longest-serving prisoner, the child killer and diagnosed "sadistic pedophile" Derek Percy, is to be questioned by the NSW Coroner over the murder of a boy in Sydney 37 years ago.

The State Coroner, John Abernethy, has ordered Percy to appear before Glebe Coroner's Court at a two-day inquest, beginning today, into the unsolved abduction, strangulation and mutilation murder of three-year-old Simon Brook at Glebe Point on May 18, 1968.

More: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/child-killer-to-face-questions-on-1968-murder/2005/12/11/1134235951331.html

They believe he's linked to more murders. I'm going to post this on a separate thread, too, in case people miss this thread.
Interesting story.

[justiceforsharon]

For many years my ex husband had a job at a certain well known home for the disabled which is situated very near where the Beaumont children disapeared.

He confided to me one day that the police had a suspect in the disapearence. It was a resident at this home, who at the time fitted the discription of the suspect and was the same age at the time. The resident was also said to have had a tendency towards violent behaviour and often expressed a wish to kill. He went on to say that the police quite often questioned him whebever the case flaired up again but the mans condition is such that it is never useful.

Why i think this is all true
1. In 1988 2 people from this same home escaped and abducted and killed a small boy riding his tricycle on the footpath.
2. The children would have been more likely to go with a man of their mental age and ability rather than an able bodied person.
3. This paticular home has a track record of not being able to keep track of their residences
4. This home also caters for people who are mentaly ill as well as disabled.

[PonderingThings]

There is a terrific article by Beth Spencer, PhD, about this case. It talks about the case from the children's perspective, and from the time frame it happened in 1966. It doesn't talk about t a killer... its more about the disappearance.





http://www.theage.com.au/news/books/the-lost-children/2006/01/20/1137553745706.html



It appears the article is posted because of a book that came out, authored by Alan J. Whitacker. Its not about the book directly though


Exerpt from the article:



<>Could they, in fact, be buried in that one part of the warehouse that wasn't excavated back in 1966 when it was pinpointed by Croisset, the Dutch clairvoyant who flew out to help? Several years ago, an Adelaide businessman donated the money to dig up the whole of the warehouse, to make sure. Even though the Melbourne Truth had claimed that Croisset's first choice was under a block of recently built flats. Croisset was reluctant to announce this, the newspaper said, as it would be too costly to tear down the buildings and the thought that the children could be buried underneath might permanently disturb the future occupants.

[EdinburghLass]

Beaumont children case 'will be solved'

By Jeremy Roberts

January 26, 2006
THE detective in charge of finding Adelaide's missing Beaumont children believes the nation's most famous mystery will be solved after 40 years of fruitless searches, confessions and tips about how they disappeared on January 26, 1966.


Detective Sergeant Brian Swan receives six tips a month about the disappearance of Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, and Grant, 4, from Adelaide's Glenelg beach on a boiling hot day.

"The case will be solved - (it will) probably be a deathbed confession or tip-off," said the nuggety detective, who worked on the successful investigation of the bodies-in-barrels murders.

Sergeant Swan said when he inherited the Beaumont file he took charge of not only thousands of pages of information.

"From talking to the original detectives, I got a sense of the case which you can't get just from the file," he said. It is from this slender but certain grasp of the case that police were able, in late 2004, to discount a reported confession from Tasmanian pedophile prisoner James O'Neill.

SEE LINK FOR STORY;

EDITED BY DP DUE TO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17939270-2,00.html

[coco]

A Psychic who also happened to be a childhood friend of the Beaumonts says he can pinpoint the exact location of the childrens bodies. He claims over the years he has been visited by the oldest child. I know it sounds flakey but this psychic is good, you would not believe how accurate he has been with other cases. He also knows the vehicle the children were taken in as well as the burial location and more I just can't remeber it at the moment. This needs to be checked out ASAP.

[kazzbar]

Hi Everyone, the poor missing Beaumont children are what led me to find Websleuths and now I am reading everything. I can remember as a kid that a friend of the family was called in to pull up floor boards in an old home in Adelaide to look for the kids a good 6 yrs after they dissappeared. Of Course, they were never found but i can still remember how upset he was.Since then i have been fascinated and appalled by the case. I believe them to be dead at the hands of a pervert.My main suspect would be Derek Percy as i believe he is a perpetual serial offender and totally incurable.I also believe he maybe in the frame For the Wanda Beach murders in Sydney.These two young ladies were like the Beaumonts seen in the company of a young man.Although from memory witnesses said he had longish hair and Percy being in the Navy would have had short hair.But in those days 2 inches longer than short back and sides could have been called long. Mabe one day in the future when the Vic Gov gets there way and they will ,he will sucumb to Dna testing, although one suspects that it will not solve either case. As a Victorian we should all hope that this crazy does not get out as we would not be told where he is in our state.Unlike the u.s we do not get told or warned unless the press Leak it!

[Nocgirl]

What a sad, but fascinating case. I posted a thread on this not realizing one was made. How does a parent live their life after their children go missing? Did the mother have any more kids?

I did a search for this case before I posted and nothing came up. Am I not searching correctly?

[kazzbar]

What a sad, but fascinating case. I posted a thread on this not realizing one was made. How does a parent live their life after their children go missing? Did the mother have any more kids?

I did a search for this case before I posted and nothing came up. Am I not searching correctly?Hi Nocgirl, do a google and try Derek Percy or Ivan Von Eiman.This might help. I have followed the Beaumont case for years but nothing seems to be 'happening'. It will never be solved. The parents are divorced but I do not think either had more kids. Poor parents, really sad. Would be great to see a confession from someone but I think it is unlikely.

[Supero]

The Adelaide police are only investigating this case on a "part time" basis. They dont have the time and/or the resources to give it the attention it deserves..... to my knowlege not all the information they recieve is followed up or investigated. I dont think they want to solve this case.......:( :mad:

[Marie]

Our worst child killer (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/our-worst-child-killer/2007/04/21/1176697155252.html)


EVIDENCE lost for more than 30 years has implicated Victoria's longest-serving prisoner, Derek Ernest Percy, in a series of unsolved child murders and disappearances around Australia.

He is now a suspect in the murders of Christine Sharrock and Marianne Schmidt on Sydney's Wanda Beach in January 1965; the disappearance of the three Beaumont children, Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, and Grant, 4, in Adelaide in 1966; the murder of Allen Redston, a six-year-old grabbed in Canberra in September 1966; Simon Brook, 3, killed in Sydney in 1968; and Linda Stilwell.

■A remarkable similarity between Percy and identikit portraits issued at the time.
■Identical references in writings seized from Percy in 1969 and the unsolved murders.
■Police confirming Percy was in the areas in which several of the murders were committed at the time of the offences.
■An article of clothing that may link him to one of the cases and a connection to a murder weapon in another.
■Percy having maps where some of the murders and disappearances occurred.
■A new witness placing him at the scene of one of the cases.
■Evidence of a failed attempt to abduct a girl on the Mornington Peninsula just months before the Tuohy murder.



Much more at link.

[Stella]

I can't find anything on whether or not the Beaumont children may have actually drowned instead of being kidnapped. Was this possibility ever seriously investigated or just dismissed out of hand because of the witnesses on the beach?

[Mr. E]

I can't find anything on whether or not the Beaumont children may have actually drowned instead of being kidnapped. Was this possibility ever seriously investigated or just dismissed out of hand because of the witnesses on the beach?

Didn't the postman, who knew the children, see them leaving the beach? Unless they went back for some reason and then drowned, this would seem to negate that anything like that happened on the beach. I could have the facts wrong, though.

[KarlK]

A triple drowning at a public beach seems unlikely...

[Bluecat]

Depends on how much of an undertow there was close to shore. Children could be relatively easily swept away but I don't think there was any indication that they were in the water. One of my high school friends lost both of his brothers at once due to undertow. I'm not sure how close a watch would have been kept on the currents in that part of the world at the time. Nowadays around my area there would be warnings posted almost immediately when the currents changed.

[anthrobones]

Bumping up

[anthrobones]

It appears that they think these cases are connected:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/575dfsau.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/576dfsau.html

[Hadey]

As far as I know the police have never thought these children drowned.

The last news I heard was one of the tv stations found old footage
of a search of a stormwater drain at Glenelg. When the footage shows the onlookers
it looks like a young Von Einem was in the crowd watching the search.

I found a link but for some reason it wont let me post it but if you google "killer sighted
at Beaumont search" you will be able to read it.