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12-14-2010, 05:19 PM
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passionflower
12-14-2010, 05:23 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

belimom
12-14-2010, 05:24 PM
Thanks for the new thread... :)



Thanks, impatientredhead.

He got off way too easy. Was he placed on probation? Was he required to register as a sex offender? I know you may not know the answer to these questions, but he did get off with a slap on the hand. That is so totally unfair to the victim.

It is very wrong.. the things done to that girl and he gets off with what? Practically nothing!

My *guess* is the victim didn't want to testify when the time came.



I was looking at the charges for AM and noticed the term "nolle prosequi". I looked it up and it means:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolle_prosequi

Nolle prosequi (pronounced /ˌnɒli ˈprɒsəkwaɪ/;[1] Classical Latin: /ˈnolːe ˈproːsekwiː/) is a Latin legal phrase meaning "to be unwilling to pursue"[2] a Latin construction that amounts to "please do not prosecute". It is the term used in many common law criminal jurisdictions to describe a prosecutor's application to discontinue criminal charges before trial, or up until, but before verdict.[3]

Sounds like someone either didn't want to pursue it, or the prosecutor decided there wasn't enough to proceed? So they settled for a plea? Not sure b/c the details aren't outlined. I believe Japandaaa mentioned alot of details on the previous thread about the other girls not wanting anyone to get in trouble or something like that. Maybe she can chime in...

Dema
12-14-2010, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the new thread... :)











I was looking at the charges for AM and noticed the term "nolle prosequi". I looked it up and it means:



Sounds like someone either didn't want to pursue it, or the prosecutor decided there wasn't enough to proceed? So they settled for a plea? Not sure b/c the details aren't outlined. I believe Japandaaa mentioned alot of details on the previous thread about the other girls not wanting anyone to get in trouble or something like that. Maybe she can chime in...

Sometimes they'll nolle pros a charge during a plea agreement. The person will plead guilty to one or more charges if they'll drop the other(s).

belimom
12-14-2010, 05:29 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

You know, there's a chance that Brittany didn't know her mom was dead when they initially left. Buying the camping equipment does imply that she knew they were going away. She does appear nervous but she does not look like a girl whose mother was just murdered. I wonder if TS and JE had it out over BS (it may have gotten physical), JE took BS and left, and someone else came and finished TS off.

This is just speculation as I do believe that JE is fully capable of having done the deed himself.

But with all this news of AM and JM...I think someone else said it best when they said it has all gotten so much more confusing.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 05:32 PM
The warrant shows that a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs were missing from the Smith home. All those items were noticed missing by a family member and described to police by an informant who stated similar items were in Easely's SUV when McElvey bought the vehicle.

It took time and strength IMO (2) to load such articles also after Tina's death!
What did these guys do, step over her dead body to remove the articles?
Is this why some think BS changed her pants from what they saw in WM
tape to the AM tape???
Get her pants dirty loading up stuff in the SUV?
Is that what was done in the time between the 2 tapes?
Was that McElvey on phone calling JE at Walmart???

Dema
12-14-2010, 05:35 PM
The warrant shows that a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs were missing from the Smith home. All those items were noticed missing by a family member and described to police by an informant who stated similar items were in Easely's SUV when McElvey bought the vehicle.

It took time and strength IMO (2) to load such articles also after Tina's death!
What did these guys do, step over her dead body to remove the articles?
Is this why some think BS changed her pants from what they saw in WM
tape to the AM tape???
Get her pants dirty loading up stuff in the SUV?
Is that what was done in the time between the 2 tapes?
Was that McElvey on phone calling JE at Walmart???

Did they ever say where TS was found? BS may not have seen her after her death even if she was in the house.

belimom
12-14-2010, 05:36 PM
The warrant shows that a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs were missing from the Smith home. All those items were noticed missing by a family member and described to police by an informant who stated similar items were in Easely's SUV when McElvey bought the vehicle.

It took time and strength IMO (2) to load such articles also after Tina's death!
What did these guys do, step over her dead body to remove the articles?
Is this why some think BS changed her pants from what they saw in WM
tape to the AM tape???
Get her pants dirty loading up stuff in the SUV?
Is that what was done in the time between the 2 tapes?
Was that McElvey on phone calling JE at Walmart???

BBM

The Wii, DVD player, and DVDs - not so much. But the flat screen TV? It would depend on how big. We moved one a few months ago for my parents in our car, and DH -- who is 6'1" and about 230 could not move it alone. :twocents: (ETA: the TV we moved was huge - maybe 52" or larger?)

tfrohning
12-14-2010, 05:36 PM
I kind shell shock with the new players in this case. I expected some one else was involve... but this new news wasn't what I was thinking!

Just didn't see this coming!

Dema
12-14-2010, 05:39 PM
BBM

The Wii, DVD player, and DVDs - not so much. But the flat screen TV? It would depend on how big. We moved one a few months ago for my parents in our car, and DH -- who is 6'1" and about 230 could not move it alone. :twocents:

I have a flat screen that is sized at 42" and I can carry it alone...I'm 5'4"

passionflower
12-14-2010, 05:51 PM
Has LE released how Tina died?
Her COD???

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Thanks for the new thread... :)


I was looking at the charges for AM and noticed the term "nolle prosequi". I looked it up and it means:
Sounds like someone either didn't want to pursue it, or the prosecutor decided there wasn't enough to proceed? So they settled for a plea? Not sure b/c the details aren't outlined. I believe Japandaaa mentioned alot of details on the previous thread about the other girls not wanting anyone to get in trouble or something like that. Maybe she can chime in...

The prosecutor may have not had enough physical evidence to proceed without a willing victim, or may have been concerned about proving it. Japandaaa's statement that there were several underage girls there that night I can only imagine this victim became the bad guy and was causing everyone trouble.

Since the went with contributing the delinquency of a minor I am assuming he admitted to giving her alcohol in his original statement and the sex was not provable without the girl or they could have gotten statutory rape if he had just said it was consensual.

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Has LE released how Tina died?
Her COD???

No. I suspect we won't know until the trial.

peeples
12-14-2010, 05:57 PM
I thought I read she was beaten to death... i might have dreamed it though!

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 05:57 PM
No. I suspect we won't know until the trial.

I think we will know when the indictment is handed down.
Originally I thought they were withholding it to see if Brittany knew the intimate details, but today's players add a whole 'nother level to why they are so tight lipped about this.

Dema
12-14-2010, 05:58 PM
I thought I read she was beaten to death... i might have dreamed it though!

Didn't someone mention her family said something? I remember reading something, too.

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 05:59 PM
I thought I read she was beaten to death... i might have dreamed it though!

Her family said the friend that found the body said she was beaten.
LE has not confirmed that.
And some of the early articles say she was shot.
So who knows at this point.

peeples
12-14-2010, 05:59 PM
it was a sister or mother or something I thought

TexasLil
12-14-2010, 06:01 PM
Has LE released how Tina died?
Her COD???

Her grandmother, Liz Dyer of South Boston, said Tuesday that police have not given the family much information.

“We know she was beaten, and they’re doing an autopsy,” she said of her late daughter, Tina, The Gazette-Virginian reported.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=26475

peeples
12-14-2010, 06:04 PM
thanks Texas, at least i didn't dream it LOL

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 06:25 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

Just got caught up....busy place in the last few hours here!

In your link passionflower...surely this date is wrong:

During a police interview December 3, McElvy did not mention meeting up with Easley and Smith. Police also say that statements from McElvy and a girlfriend were "inconsistent."

passionflower
12-14-2010, 06:28 PM
Just got caught up....busy place in the last few hours here!

In your link passionflower...surley this date is wrong:

During a police interview December 3, McElvy did not mention meeting up with Easley and Smith. Police also say that statements from McElvy and a girlfriend were "inconsistent."

I bet it should be Dec. 13, huh??

duckingoff
12-14-2010, 06:30 PM
I can't help but wonder why the police would say "could have assisted"? Why wouldn't they keep mum or charge him? Is this common practice?

http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/270753

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 06:31 PM
You know, there's a chance that Brittany didn't know her mom was dead when they initially left. Buying the camping equipment does imply that she knew they were going away. She does appear nervous but she does not look like a girl whose mother was just murdered. I wonder if TS and JE had it out over BS (it may have gotten physical), JE took BS and left, and someone else came and finished TS off.

This is just speculation as I do believe that JE is fully capable of having done the deed himself.

But with all this news of AM and JM...I think someone else said it best when they said it has all gotten so much more confusing.

Maybe be nothing, but maybe something.....There was a HUGE drug bust in the area around the same time. Is it possible some turned "informant" with knowledge, etc.....epecially if there is much speculation that AM could have been dealing. ?? Wouldn't be the first time people in drug busts were found dealing in porn either!!

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 06:35 PM
I kind shell shock with the new players in this case. I expected some one else was involve... but this new news wasn't what I was thinking!

Just didn't see this coming!

I had speculated early on of the possiblity....someone other that JE, but dumped the idea because LE was only showing JE as the only person of interest.

WillenFan21
12-14-2010, 06:37 PM
OMG. I am just now catching up on this new info. I totally think that Brittany may have witnessed her moms death or was there(maybe in another room or outside of the house) when it done. If they showed up at Tina's house then where was Brittany at?

lishac23
12-14-2010, 06:45 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

<snip>

In the search warrant filed in Roanoke Circuit Court, investigators say that Jeff Easley sold his red Chevy SUV to Adam McElvy, of Roanoke, in the evening hours of December 3- the same night police believe Tina Smith was killed.

The warrant shows that a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs were missing from the Smith home. All those items were noticed missing by a family member and described to police by an informant who stated similar items were in Easely's SUV when McElvey bought the vehicle.

During a police interview December 3, McElvy did not mention meeting up with Easley and Smith. Police also say that statements from McElvy and a girlfriend were "inconsistent."

In the search warrant, investigators wrote that the information provided by the informant, the inconsistent statements by McElvy and his friend, plus the fact that McElvy was with Easley "near the crime scene and within the time parameters (of the killing) "leads investigators to believe McElvy "could have assisted in the murder" of Tina Smith.


BBM...who is this informant I wonder???
Meaning they had enough probable cause to get the search warrant....
the fact that he hasn't been arrested or named a person of interest leads me to believe they didn't find anything that could link either them to the murder.

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 06:49 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

<snip>

In the search warrant filed in Roanoke Circuit Court, investigators say that Jeff Easley sold his red Chevy SUV to Adam McElvy, of Roanoke, in the evening hours of December 3- the same night police believe Tina Smith was killed.

The warrant shows that a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs were missing from the Smith home. All those items were noticed missing by a family member and described to police by an informant who stated similar items were in Easely's SUV when McElvey bought the vehicle.

During a police interview December 3, McElvy did not mention meeting up with Easley and Smith. Police also say that statements from McElvy and a girlfriend were "inconsistent."

In the search warrant, investigators wrote that the information provided by the informant, the inconsistent statements by McElvy and his friend, plus the fact that McElvy was with Easley "near the crime scene and within the time parameters (of the killing) "leads investigators to believe McElvy "could have assisted in the murder" of Tina Smith.


BBM...who is this informant I wonder???
Meaning they had enough probable cause to get the search warrant....
the fact that he hasn't been arrested or named a person of interest leads me to believe they didn't find anything that could link either them to the murder.

BBM. Could it be AMc's GF?

passionflower
12-14-2010, 06:49 PM
An informant.............interesting indeed!!!

passionflower
12-14-2010, 06:50 PM
BBM. Could it be AMc's GF?

I thought that myself because it seemed on his MS he says that he is NOT the person she thought he was.......something like that and it seemed that there was trouble in his relationship........IIRC it was one of his last posts 12/5 maybe???

lishac23
12-14-2010, 06:53 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

<snip>

Mike Duvall was on duty that night. Until this story broke, he had always thought Easley and Smith were a couple. He never saw them with Brittany's mother.

"They were always in here three or four times a week," he said. "They were pretty much hanging all over each other. You know... acting real lovey dovey."

According to Duvall, everything seemed normal that night except that, "It was as cold as I don't know what and she was wearing short sleeve shirt, no jacket or anything... and I was like, 'Ok...'"

Pulling up in his red Chevy SUV, police believe Easley met up with McElvy, whose car also appears in the video. Within hours, the SUV would be bought by McElvy and the warrant states McElvy's car was later found "abandoned."

AppleMart manager Debbi Paultre knew Tina Smith as well as Brittany and Easley.

While she has no issue showing the video, she finds the whole story tough to swallow.

"They were all very nice people. Very nice people. With what happened you wouldn't think so... if you knew the people," she said.


How is it that the manager knew the family but the clerk didn't?? Did he and the manager never work the same shift together or was the manager never on duty when BS and JE came in together all "lovey dovey"?

And why would McElvy "abandon" his car??

I'm sooooooo confused.....

itsreenw
12-14-2010, 06:56 PM
You know, there's a chance that Brittany didn't know her mom was dead when they initially left. Buying the camping equipment does imply that she knew they were going away. She does appear nervous but she does not look like a girl whose mother was just murdered. I wonder if TS and JE had it out over BS (it may have gotten physical), JE took BS and left, and someone else came and finished TS off.

This is just speculation as I do believe that JE is fully capable of having done the deed himself.

But with all this news of AM and JM...I think someone else said it best when they said it has all gotten so much more confusing.
BBM. Now I'm starting to wonder if JE kicked the door in and broke the alarm so he would be sure the alarm would be disabled when his accomplice broke into the house days later. (I haven't read all the threads so if I'm totally off base, forgive me)

tfrohning
12-14-2010, 06:57 PM
Is there two threads?

Blue Ridge
12-14-2010, 07:00 PM
You know, there's a chance that Brittany didn't know her mom was dead when they initially left. Buying the camping equipment does imply that she knew they were going away. She does appear nervous but she does not look like a girl whose mother was just murdered. I wonder if TS and JE had it out over BS (it may have gotten physical), JE took BS and left, and someone else came and finished TS off.

This is just speculation as I do believe that JE is fully capable of having done the deed himself.

But with all this news of AM and JM...I think someone else said it best when they said it has all gotten so much more confusing.


It IS confusing. One thing I have been thinking is... if Brittany didn't know her mother was dead, why would she think it was OK to be taking her mother's car to California?! If she thought her mother was alive and they were just running away, Brittany would know she'd need her car.

lishac23
12-14-2010, 07:03 PM
BBM. Could it be AMc's GF?

Possibly. The warrant stated that based on the informants information, the inconsistent statements of AM and his girlfriend.....

They could be the same person, or it could be someone else. Maybe who ever else was in AM's car. (although that could have been the gf too.)

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 07:03 PM
Is there two threads?

2+5! This is the 7th.

FaerieB
12-14-2010, 07:06 PM
BBM. Could it be AMc's GF?

That was my initial thought, too. But I don't think it's her because LE says AMc & JM's stories didn't match, and neither mentioned seeing JE and/or BS that night. JMO

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 07:06 PM
Possibly. The warrant stated that based on the informants information, the inconsistent statements of AM and his girlfriend.....

They could be the same person, or it could be someone else. Maybe who ever else was in AM's car. (although that could have been the gf too.)

Ahhh, ok. I never read the search warrant. I haven't been reading links lately. Has AMc's GF's name been thrown around as a possible accomplice? Or if not accomplice, someone knowing more than they should other than what was said in the warrant? If not, she could be their informant.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 07:07 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/news/breaking/ro-garden-city-man-could-have-assiste20101214,0,4961225.story

just looking at BS picture......who took all the close up pictures of BS in poses?
I am wondering if it was JE???

duckingoff
12-14-2010, 07:09 PM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

catydid
12-14-2010, 07:10 PM
A lot of those pics look like self portraits to me. Plus, cameras have timers and remotes.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 07:11 PM
It IS confusing. One thing I have been thinking is... if Brittany didn't know her mother was dead, why would she think it was OK to be taking her mother's car to California?! If she thought her mother was alive and they were just running away, Brittany would know she'd need her car.

Also now that we know that JE's SUV was loaded with Tina (mom's)
TV, DVD, Wi...........makes me think that BS knew mom was dead also.

catydid
12-14-2010, 07:12 PM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

I wonder if she did go to the doctor that day...

passionflower
12-14-2010, 07:16 PM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

she hurt all over? even her bones hurt? going to DR.
BUT she sure didn't seem 'ill' (flu) at Walmart/Applemart ...............

and at same time mom says ............protect us from evils..............

what happened to BS????

belimom
12-14-2010, 07:19 PM
...(snipped)...

Pulling up in his red Chevy SUV, police believe Easley met up with McElvy, whose car also appears in the video. Within hours, the SUV would be bought by McElvy and the warrant states McElvy's car was later found "abandoned."
...(snipped)...
And why would McElvy "abandon" his car??

I'm sooooooo confused.....

BBM

I wonder if JE's initial plan was to take the purple car because would be on the lookout for him in that car. Traded the red Blazer and electronics for the purple car plus some cash, maybe. He later decided to ditch it for some reason and ended up taking TS's silver Neon?



It IS confusing. One thing I have been thinking is... if Brittany didn't know her mother was dead, why would she think it was OK to be taking her mother's car to California?! If she thought her mother was alive and they were just running away, Brittany would know she'd need her car.

Maybe TS was still alive during the Wal-Mart/AM trips. It could be entirely possible for JE to take TS's cards out of her purse without Brittany knowing. Then TS was later killed and JE took the car and told Brittany later...

There are many other ways that this whole thing went down - just trying to think of some others.

lishac23
12-14-2010, 07:19 PM
Ahhh, ok. I never read the search warrant. I haven't been reading links lately. Has AMc's GF's name been thrown around as a possible accomplice? Or if not accomplice, someone knowing more than they should other than what was said in the warrant? If not, she could be their informant.

I don't think so. All I've pretty much read was that her statements didn't match AMs. They searched a duplex, I'm not sure if they were both still living there. They have a baby together, but from the posts on his FB, they were having problems.

The article did state that neither one of them mentioned meeting JE at the AM. SO maybe she was the other person in the car, or she was at home when he left. For them to include her in that statement, LE most likely had reason to believe that she knew what happened at the AM but didn't tell them.

duckingoff
12-14-2010, 07:20 PM
she hurt all over? even her bones hurt? going to DR.
BUT she sure didn't seem 'ill' (flu) at Walmart/Applemart ...............

and at same time mom says ............protect us from evils..............

what happened to BS????

She wasn't exactly bumping off walls or smiling in any of the WM or AM videos either.

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 07:21 PM
I wonder if she did go to the doctor that day...

As quoted in the MSM link provided up thread (ie I did not cut and paste from myspace or facebook)




Dec. 2: Brittany on MySpace: "Whatever! Nothing goes right in my life. HCB ILU (Handcuff Buddy, I love you.)"

Tina Smith on MySpace: "Everything happens for a reason Britt. ILU"

Jeffrey Easley on MySpace: "Trust me. Everything will work out. ILU2"
Dec. 3: Brittany on Facebook: "My whole body hurts. Even my bones. Going to the doctor."
Tina Smith on Facebook: "God please protect us from the evils of this world."



Is this the first time we have seen the doctor comment?
I knew she didn't go to school.

I don't see how BS could have been shielded from the murder of her mother. There was so much more involved than we originally were laying out. Rage attack upon confrontation, run to walmart and hit the road, now we have facebook spanning two days (JE posts on Saturday that he has a lot on his mind), the gas station stop, the sale of the SUV, the theft of items from the house, at least one additional person involved if not more.

belimom
12-14-2010, 07:23 PM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

That makes me feel worse for her without a coat in that weather, if she really was sick. I can't imagine being sick and then being out there in 30-ish degree weather with no coat or jacket.

OTOH, I'm sure LE knew about the trip to the doctor, right? So why would they withhold that info from the public and say 'they went shopping' or something to that effect? Remember that?

lishac23
12-14-2010, 07:27 PM
she hurt all over? even her bones hurt? going to DR.
BUT she sure didn't seem 'ill' (flu) at Walmart/Applemart ...............

and at same time mom says ............protect us from evils..............

what happened to BS????

IS it possible that TS had kicked JE out and this "hurt" was a broken heart. Whatever feelings she may have thought she had for JE, she might have felt "hurt" that he was gone. To a 12 year old, those feelings could be dramatically described this way. Just a thought.

Maybe TS was taking her to the doctor to get checked out? Suspected she was being molested ("protect us from the evils of the world")

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 07:27 PM
As she walked into the store, Shanley remembered seeing the aunt of a missing girl on CNN pleading for her niece to come home. Shanley couldn't find her cellphone, and asked a clerk to call police.


About eight police cars arrived within minutes, she said. When Shanley next saw Brittany, she was in the back of a cruiser, crying.


"I don't consider myself a hero, I just consider myself a mom," Shanley said. "You have to look out for other people's children."


Easley and Brittany weren't sighted from the time they left Roanoke County on Dec. 3 until their discovery outside a San Francisco supermarket Dec. 10. Police won't say what details they've gathered about the cross-country trip and are trying to protect the girl, Hall said.


"Just based on some of the information that she's given, it's led them to want to take care of her," Hall said.


http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270698

lynnb
12-14-2010, 07:28 PM
Just catching up. seems I missed a lot.
If I had to guess, I would say the "informant" is someone who was rustled up in the drug bust the other day. What better way for LE to get info than get a bunch of druggies together and start offering deals to the ones that talked.

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
BBM

The Wii, DVD player, and DVDs - not so much. But the flat screen TV? It would depend on how big. We moved one a few months ago for my parents in our car, and DH -- who is 6'1" and about 230 could not move it alone. :twocents: (ETA: the TV we moved was huge - maybe 52" or larger?)

My 42" flat screen weighs 95 lbs. but it is four years old. I'm sure the newer ones are a lighter weight. It took two men to hold and mount it over my fireplace FWIW.

impatientredhead
12-14-2010, 07:29 PM
That makes me feel worse for her without a coat in that weather, if she really was sick. I can't imagine being sick and then being out there in 30-ish degree weather with no coat or jacket.

OTOH, I'm sure LE knew about the trip to the doctor, right? So why would they withhold that info from the public and say 'they went shopping' or something to that effect? Remember that?

I was just thinking that Tina knew CPS had been contacted, her family told her they had called. Did they post that explain why she wasn't in school that day? I thought Tina was trying to get him out of the house before CPS was on her doorstep and was trying to keep BS close to her that day. Her posts clearly say she knew they were in trouble.

Patty G
12-14-2010, 07:31 PM
I'm kinda thinking that Brittany wrote that she was sick and that her bones hurt more as a ruse then that she was actually sick.

LaLaw2000
12-14-2010, 07:35 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/news/breaking/ro-garden-city-man-could-have-assiste20101214,0,4961225.story

just looking at BS picture......who took all the close up pictures of BS in poses?
I am wondering if it was JE???

Thanks, passionflower.

Yes, it was probably JE I would think. What just kills me is how Btittany's little hands are so childlike in that particular pic. She was just a little child after all and that POS changed that. :furious:

jjenny
12-14-2010, 07:36 PM
That makes me feel worse for her without a coat in that weather, if she really was sick. I can't imagine being sick and then being out there in 30-ish degree weather with no coat or jacket.

OTOH, I'm sure LE knew about the trip to the doctor, right? So why would they withhold that info from the public and say 'they went shopping' or something to that effect? Remember that?

What makes you think she actually went to the doctor? Just because she presumably posted something on the internet doesn't mean she went to the doctor.

x_files
12-14-2010, 07:36 PM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

I wonder why Brittany said this on Facebook: "My whole body hurts. Even my bones. Going to the doctor."
Did she have a flu or did someone hurt her?

x_files
12-14-2010, 07:38 PM
she hurt all over? even her bones hurt? going to DR.
BUT she sure didn't seem 'ill' (flu) at Walmart/Applemart ...............

and at same time mom says ............protect us from evils..............

what happened to BS????

She did walk slowly she may have been ill on the WM video.
I thought she was in shock or he had rouhed her up enough to be in shock and aching all over.
You can't always tell with some people esp with a grainy video surveillance camera.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 07:39 PM
hurting all over..............even my bones..........doc appt..........pregnant?
It will work out? everything is for a reason......all the I Love you???
shopping???
Oh LORD, please not this to deal with also!!!

belimom
12-14-2010, 07:39 PM
Thanks, passionflower.

Yes, it was probably JE I would think. What just kills me is how Btittany's little hands are so childlike in that particular pic. She was just a little child after all and that POS changed that. :furious:

My goodness... she's wearing Silly Bandz... she's still just a kid... :(

belimom
12-14-2010, 07:40 PM
What makes you think she actually went to the doctor? Just because she presumably posted something on the internet doesn't mean she went to the doctor.

I don't know. Which is why I posted the OTOH part...

lishac23
12-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Thanks, passionflower.

Yes, it was probably JE I would think. What just kills me is how Btittany's little hands are so childlike in that particular pic. She was just a little child after all and that POS changed that. :furious:

she had on wacky bands for goodness sake...

x_files
12-14-2010, 07:42 PM
IS it possible that TS had kicked JE out and this "hurt" was a broken heart. Whatever feelings she may have thought she had for JE, she might have felt "hurt" that he was gone. To a 12 year old, those feelings could be dramatically described this way. Just a thought.

Maybe TS was taking her to the doctor to get checked out? Suspected she was being molested ("protect us from the evils of the world")

This could have enraged/motivated JE to remove BS before she went to the doctor and her mother put up a fight. He might have been afraid that a doctor would confirm either molestation, abuse or pregnancy.
When women confront dangerous/abusive men they can get hurt or even killed. She needed the police there. :(

Dema
12-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Or she had been pregnant and wasn't any longer....

Can't see him wanting any more complications than he had.

duckingoff
12-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Something shuts you up real quick and makes you do as you're told when you are a 100lb child and hit by a 200+ lb person. Not saying that's what happened but I don't want to totally rule it out any possiblities. We may never know what that post meant.

LaLaw2000
12-14-2010, 07:43 PM
IS it possible that TS had kicked JE out and this "hurt" was a broken heart. Whatever feelings she may have thought she had for JE, she might have felt "hurt" that he was gone. To a 12 year old, those feelings could be dramatically described this way. Just a thought.

Maybe TS was taking her to the doctor to get checked out? Suspected she was being molested ("protect us from the evils of the world")

I think so.

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 07:47 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

<snip>

Mike Duvall was on duty that night. Until this story broke, he had always thought Easley and Smith were a couple. He never saw them with Brittany's mother.

"They were always in here three or four times a week," he said. "They were pretty much hanging all over each other. You know... acting real lovey dovey."

According to Duvall, everything seemed normal that night except that, "It was as cold as I don't know what and she was wearing short sleeve shirt, no jacket or anything... and I was like, 'Ok...'"

Pulling up in his red Chevy SUV, police believe Easley met up with McElvy, whose car also appears in the video. Within hours, the SUV would be bought by McElvy and the warrant states McElvy's car was later found "abandoned."

AppleMart manager Debbi Paultre knew Tina Smith as well as Brittany and Easley.

While she has no issue showing the video, she finds the whole story tough to swallow.

"They were all very nice people. Very nice people. With what happened you wouldn't think so... if you knew the people," she said.


How is it that the manager knew the family but the clerk didn't?? Did he and the manager never work the same shift together or was the manager never on duty when BS and JE came in together all "lovey dovey"?

And why would McElvy "abandon" his car?? I'm sooooooo confused.....

BBM: Your post above, bolded by me, contain two of my major questions as well. This case is getting more complicated by the minute.:waitasec:

lynnb
12-14-2010, 07:49 PM
Police identify second man in contact with Easley before he left Roanoke Co.
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/
Police say this was after surveillance video captured Easley and Brittany at the Salem Wal-Mart at 8:30 p.m. on December 3rd, and after a security camera taped similar video of Easley and Brittany leaving a nearby Apple Market convenience store about an hour later.

Sounds like someone else besides McElvy was with Easley that night also

JustPeachy
12-14-2010, 07:53 PM
hurting all over..............even my bones..........doc appt..........pregnant?
It will work out? everything is for a reason......all the I Love you???
shopping???
Oh LORD, please not this to deal with also!!!

Passionflower, my first thought when it was posted that she didn't go to school that day and she and her mother were out together. Then the final confrontation with JE at home. I hope we are wrong.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 07:55 PM
We have heard the relatives speak, but has anyone heard Tina's friends? neighbors?
or work associates say anything???
Did they know about this JE?
Where did JE live until he moved in with Tina?
Did JE own anything when he moved in?
Did JE have a job?

lynnb
12-14-2010, 07:55 PM
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-12/108572200-14111051.pdf

Copy of the search warrant.... if you look on page 3 it tells you exactly who told the police that the missing items were in the SUV that Easley sold. She is listed as a "guest" of McElvy and McClure.

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 07:57 PM
That makes me feel worse for her without a coat in that weather, if she really was sick. I can't imagine being sick and then being out there in 30-ish degree weather with no coat or jacket.

OTOH, I'm sure LE knew about the trip to the doctor, right? So why would they withhold that info from the public and say 'they went shopping' or something to that effect? Remember that?

It's also odd that the people who were accessing the sites by IPhone didn't bring it up...???

We were savvy to all of them except that one post???

passionflower
12-14-2010, 08:06 PM
McElvy and McClure everything in warrant says AND????
Was McClure with McElvy during all of this also???

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 08:08 PM
Just catching up. seems I missed a lot.
If I had to guess, I would say the "informant" is someone who was rustled up in the drug bust the other day. What better way for LE to get info than get a bunch of druggies together and start offering deals to the ones that talked.

I've only skimmed the drug bust over the past couple of days, but this article says 32 arrested....if IIRC they took in over 70 people....just can't find the article now!!! Dang.

http://www.newsplex.com/news/headlines/107294028.html

tlcya
12-14-2010, 08:09 PM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824

<snip>

Mike Duvall was on duty that night. Until this story broke, he had always thought Easley and Smith were a couple. He never saw them with Brittany's mother.

"They were always in here three or four times a week," he said. "They were pretty much hanging all over each other. You know... acting real lovey dovey."

According to Duvall, everything seemed normal that night except that, "It was as cold as I don't know what and she was wearing short sleeve shirt, no jacket or anything... and I was like, 'Ok...'"

Pulling up in his red Chevy SUV, police believe Easley met up with McElvy, whose car also appears in the video. Within hours, the SUV would be bought by McElvy and the warrant states McElvy's car was later found "abandoned."

AppleMart manager Debbi Paultre knew Tina Smith as well as Brittany and Easley.

While she has no issue showing the video, she finds the whole story tough to swallow.

"They were all very nice people. Very nice people. With what happened you wouldn't think so... if you knew the people," she said.


How is it that the manager knew the family but the clerk didn't?? Did he and the manager never work the same shift together or was the manager never on duty when BS and JE came in together all "lovey dovey"?
And why would McElvy "abandon" his car??

I'm sooooooo confused.....

BBM I am thinking if the clerk was familiar with BS and JE and the manager knew them both AND TS then it would only make sense that when in the store the behavior may have been different in front of a clerk who did not know TS than it would be in front of the manager who ALSO knew BS mother? Not sure if I am conveying my thought in the clearest way.

Lysistrata
12-14-2010, 08:11 PM
Sometimes they'll nolle pros a charge during a plea agreement. The person will plead guilty to one or more charges if they'll drop the other(s).

The prosecutor may have not had enough physical evidence to proceed without a willing victim, or may have been concerned about proving it. Japandaaa's statement that there were several underage girls there that night I can only imagine this victim became the bad guy and was causing everyone trouble.

Since the went with contributing the delinquency of a minor I am assuming he admitted to giving her alcohol in his original statement and the sex was not provable without the girl or they could have gotten statutory rape if he had just said it was consensual.

In between my years as a child protective services worker and a mental health counselor, I worked as a paralegal. Courts are funny things (funny as in 'odd'). 'Contributing to the delinquency' of a minor is a very vague charge and might have nothing to do with what the perp actually did. The fact that his victim was out of her parents' home without their knowledge or consent would be enough to get this charge pinned on him, regardless of whether he was responsible or not for her being out. What the prosecutor did was find a misdemeanor charge to pin on AM to get him on short-term probation...slap his hand, so to speak.

When a case/charge is nol prossed, it's not dismissed...it's sort of just hanging out there in abeyance. The charges can be reinstated at a later date or new charges can be filed on the same evidence. Often, they're just left hanging with the stipulation that should the perp violate his/her probation, they'll be reinstated. My guess is that the charges against AM were just allowed to hang until the statute of limitations rendered them moot.

There's a good chance that the girl didn't want to testify and/or there wasn't enough physical evidence to convict AM. On the other hand, if his parents had any clout or pull, the prosecutor could have nol prossed the charges as a favor to them and their dear baby boy (who was 18, should have known better, etc). But the parents could have whined to the prosecutor, saying their boy was just starting his adult life, it would be such a shame to ruin him with such a vacuous charge by someone who changed her story with the blowing wind, etc. We all know people who get special treatment at times when they should have had the book thrown at them. I'll bet the charges were nol prossed for the duration of his probation so Baby Boy would have something fairly serious hanging over his head. If they had just been dropped or dismissed, that would have shown up in the court record.

I have no knowledge of Virginia's statute of limitations so I don't know if those charges could be reinstated now just to get leverage over AM. What baffles me is that they've let these two (AM and his chick) blow in the breeze, knowing that they have friends in other places and realize the seriousness of what's coming. I think, but am not sure (I'll check) that AM might have a "Felony elude" charge in his past. If that's the case, LE might want to find a reason to keep those two, especially AM) in their sights.

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Passionflower, my first thought when it was posted that she didn't go to school that day and she and her mother were out together. Then the final confrontation with JE at home. I hope we are wrong.

Do any of you know if TS was scheduled to be off work that Friday? I was comtemplating if BS pretended to be sick in order to get her mother out of the house for awhile and this is the time that the items were taken out of the home and put into the SUV.

Dema
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
In between my years as a child protective services worker and a mental health counselor, I worked as a paralegal. Courts are funny things (funny as in 'odd'). 'Contributing to the delinquency' of a minor is a very vague charge and might have nothing to do with what the perp actually did. The fact that his victim was out of her parents' home without their knowledge or consent would be enough to get this charge pinned on him, regardless of whether he was responsible or not for her being out. What the prosecutor did was find a misdemeanor charge to pin on AM to get him on short-term probation...slap his hand, so to speak.

When a case/charge is nol prossed, it's not dismissed...it's sort of just hanging out there in abeyance. The charges can be reinstated at a later date or new charges can be filed on the same evidence. Often, they're just left hanging with the stipulation that should the perp violate his/her probation, they'll be reinstated. My guess is that the charges against AM were just allowed to hang until the statute of limitations rendered them moot.

There's a good chance that the girl didn't want to testify and/or there wasn't enough physical evidence to convict AM. On the other hand, if his parents had any clout or pull, the prosecutor could have nol prossed the charges as a favor to them and their dear baby boy (who was 18, should have known better, etc). But the parents could have whined to the prosecutor, saying their boy was just starting his adult life, it would be such a shame to ruin him with such a vacuous charge by someone who changed her story with the blowing wind, etc. We all know people who get special treatment at times when they should have had the book thrown at them. I'll bet the charges were nol prossed for the duration of his probation so Baby Boy would have something fairly serious hanging over his head. If they had just been dropped or dismissed, that would have shown up in the court record.

I have no knowledge of Virginia's statute of limitations so I don't know if those charges could be reinstated now just to get leverage over AM. What baffles me is that they've let these two (AM and his chick) blow in the breeze, knowing that they have friends in other places and realize the seriousness of what's coming. I think, but am not sure (I'll check) that AM might have a "Felony elude" charge in his past. If that's the case, LE might want to find a reason to keep those two, especially AM) in their sights.

I'll do some checking at work tomorrow and see what I can find out on statute of limitations on those charges. I don't know right off the top of my head.

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 08:17 PM
BBM I am thinking if the clerk was familiar with BS and JE and the manager knew them both AND TS then it would only make sense that when in the store the behavior may have been different in front of a clerk who did not know TS than it would be in front of the manager who ALSO knew BS mother? Not sure if I am conveying my thought in the clearest way.

Something else that is bothering me too about the comment of JE and BS acting inappropriate in front of the clerk, ie., most managers review the security videos on a regular basis for their stores. It looks like JE would have hesitated to show improper affection toward BS when there was a chance that the store manager could view it, per security video. :waitasec:

Dema
12-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Something else that is bothering me too about the comment of JE and BS acting inappropriate in front of the clerk, ie., most managers review the security videos on a regular basis for their stores. It looks like JE would have hesitated to show improper affection toward BS when there was a chance that the store manager could view it, per security video. :waitasec:

Do they keep all those videos? Or only pull them if/when something happens?

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 08:20 PM
McElvy and McClure everything in warrant says AND????
Was McClure with McElvy during all of this also???

Have these two been retained by LE so that they can not get their heads together or even take off? It looks like they could at least arrest them on the stolen goods taken from the home.

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Do they keep all those videos? Or only pull them if/when something happens?

The videos are kept for various lengths of time. I do know that some managers will routinely view the videos to check for theft and always for events such as robberies or claims of injuries and inproper action by customers as well as the cashiers.

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 08:25 PM
McElvy and McClure everything in warrant says AND????
Was McClure with McElvy during all of this also???

LE had this info fast...they were interviewed on 12/6. The same day TS was found and all hedes broke loose.

Japandaaa
12-14-2010, 08:28 PM
Police identify second man in contact with Easley before he left Roanoke Co.
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/
Police say this was after surveillance video captured Easley and Brittany at the Salem Wal-Mart at 8:30 p.m. on December 3rd, and after a security camera taped similar video of Easley and Brittany leaving a nearby Apple Market convenience store about an hour later.

Sounds like someone else besides McElvy was with Easley that night also

It's honestly hard telling how many people could be involved in this. The whole group that seems to be coming into play is bad group themselves. A lot of the people associated with this group are into meth. If JSE is friends with any of these people, as proven, it goes to show that he was probably doing the same things. Based on what I personally know about AM, he's bad news and the group he runs with is one of those groups who will do anything for a quick thrill, quick cash, and a quick buzz.

belimom
12-14-2010, 08:30 PM
LE had this info fast...they were interviewed on 12/6. The same day TS was found and all hedes broke loose.

Now it makes sense that LE kept saying they thought someone was helping them - and I believe at one point they said they thought they were close by. (I'll look for the links)

-Link about having help: http://blogs.roanoke.com/sosalem/2010/12/08/easley-may-be-getting-help-police-say/
-Can't find link about maybe still being in the area; I'll keep searching

jjenny
12-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Something else that is bothering me too about the comment of JE and BS acting inappropriate in front of the clerk, ie., most managers review the security videos on a regular basis for their stores. It looks like JE would have hesitated to show improper affection toward BS when there was a chance that the store manager could view it, per security video. :waitasec:

Considering her great-aunt has stated how she was suspicious of the way Easley behaved toward the girl when the great-aunt met him on Thanksgiving (according to the great-aunt he was touching the girls' hands, hair and gazing at the girl), what makes you think him knowing there were videos would have make him to hesitate to show the girl attention?

lonetraveler
12-14-2010, 08:35 PM
Considering her great-aunt has stated how she was suspicious of the way Easley behaved toward the girl when the great-aunt met him on Thanksgiving (according to the great-aunt he was touching the girls' hands, hair and gazing at the girl), what makes you think him knowing there were videos would have make him to hesitate to show the girl attention?

Yep, you're right, I don't think he gave a s............

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 08:37 PM
Have these two been retained by LE so that they can not get their heads together or even take off? It looks like they could at least arrest them on the stolen goods taken from the home.

Per the warrant, it seems they were under surveillance......maybe they still are? :waitasec:

Voiceover
12-14-2010, 08:41 PM
It's honestly hard telling how many people could be involved in this. The whole group that seems to be coming into play is bad group themselves. A lot of the people associated with this group are into meth. If JSE is friends with any of these people, as proven, it goes to show that he was probably doing the same things. Based on what I personally know about AM, he's bad news and the group he runs with is one of those groups who will do anything for a quick thrill, quick cash, and a quick buzz.

The meth use could explain JE's weight loss. The picture of him that some say looks like an ATM photo definitely looks like a "faces of meth" type picture.

Japandaaa
12-14-2010, 08:45 PM
The meth use could explain JE's weight loss. The picture of him that some say looks like an ATM photo definitely looks like a "faces of meth" type picture.

I agree. He lost a lot of weight in a short period of time. His actions ( from what I could see in the surveillance videos ) seemed of someone on something as well ; just certain things he would do. Plus, if he was into drugs, it would explain how easily he could have drove across the country. Did they ever find out when exactly JSE and BS were in San Francisco ? The time there alone would explain if he just drove straight, or stopped and took breaks in different states.

bwf
12-14-2010, 08:53 PM
I wonder how they all know each other....work?? Old roomates????Idk but i sure as heck think they should look into crimes in other areas wher J used to live?????

panthera
12-14-2010, 09:00 PM
IS it possible that TS had kicked JE out and this "hurt" was a broken heart. Whatever feelings she may have thought she had for JE, she might have felt "hurt" that he was gone. To a 12 year old, those feelings could be dramatically described this way. Just a thought.

Maybe TS was taking her to the doctor to get checked out? Suspected she was being molested ("protect us from the evils of the world")

It's possible, imo. Do we know now that she did go to the doctor that day? She looks fine in the store videos from that night. :waitasec: MOO

Lysistrata
12-14-2010, 09:03 PM
AM did have a Felony Elude charge in 2003...but it was nol prossed too! What's this guy got on someone else?

Japandaaa
12-14-2010, 09:08 PM
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/bonnieolson/Dec%2023/virginiaman.jpg

I seriously hate it when people smile/laugh in court !

passionflower
12-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Where did Tina work?

panthera
12-14-2010, 09:15 PM
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/bonnieolson/Dec%2023/virginiaman.jpg

I seriously hate it when people smile/laugh in court !

Interesting. Does he not realize what charges he's currently facing and could be facing once he returns to VA? :behindbar MOO

JustPeachy
12-14-2010, 09:15 PM
Do any of you know if TS was scheduled to be off work that Friday? I was comtemplating if BS pretended to be sick in order to get her mother out of the house for awhile and this is the time that the items were taken out of the home and put into the SUV.

I don't remember reading if this was a scheduled day off for TS or if she called in for a day off to take Brittany out. I would like to know if she indeed take her to the doctor.:waitasec:

passionflower
12-14-2010, 09:16 PM
Now it makes sense that LE kept saying they thought someone was helping them - and I believe at one point they said they thought they were close by. (I'll look for the links)

-Link about having help: http://blogs.roanoke.com/sosalem/2010/12/08/easley-may-be-getting-help-police-say/
-Can't find link about maybe still being in the area; I'll keep searching

It didn't make allot of sence back a week ago, I was thinking help on the run.
I never dreamt it was help BEFORE they left town, hind site is 20/20.
Different ages.......but what ties them together???? How are they friends?
Did they know Tina also? Was this planned? and for how long?:sick:

Angleena
12-14-2010, 09:28 PM
It didn't make allot of sence back a week ago, I was thinking help on the run.
I never dreamt it was help BEFORE they left town, hind site is 20/20.
Different ages.......but what ties them together???? How are they friends?
Did they know Tina also? Was this planned? and for how long?:sick:

On AMc's stream on MS he says something about all the rain being bad for business. Someone replies with how it makes the grass grow and should be good for business. JE replies with "I hear ya".

Wasn't it said that JE was a landscaper at one time? I'm thinking they know each other because they worked together.

Just a thought.

panthera
12-14-2010, 09:30 PM
Where did Tina work?

IIRC, she was a nurse. MOO

LinasK
12-14-2010, 09:50 PM
A Virginia man wanted in connection with the kidnapping of a 12-year-old girl whose mother was found dead in a suspected homicide earlier this month agreed today to be extradited from San Francisco back to that state, prosecutors said. Jeffrey Scott Easley, 32, did not challenge extradition proceedings during a brief hearing this morning in San Francisco Superior Court, district attorney's office spokesman Seth Steward said. <snip>
After waiving extradition today, Easley will be transported back
to Roanoke County "very soon" for possible prosecution there, Steward said. more at link: http://sfappeal.com/news/2010/12/man-suspected-of-kidnapping-girl-bringing-her-to-sf-appears-in-court.php

belimom
12-14-2010, 09:53 PM
IIRC, she was a nurse. MOO

And I believe it was reported that she worked at a nursing home.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270698

"...Brittany's mother, Tina Smith, 41, was found slain Dec. 6 after failing to show up at her nursing home job..."

lynnb
12-14-2010, 09:58 PM
And I believe it was reported that she worked at a nursing home.

just getting caught up......Richfield Retirement Center.

passionflower
12-14-2010, 10:00 PM
How can someone kill someone and then act like nothing happened????
This just breaks my heart, shopping, laughing, stealing TV, car, selling SUV............

panthera
12-14-2010, 10:01 PM
And I believe it was reported that she worked at a nursing home.

I also found this article which states she was a RN.

"Smith was an R.N. at a retirement center, where she coordinated patient plans..."

And at the same link, a description of the relationship between Tina and Brittany

"Dyer said the mother and child were very close, and that Brittany “couldn’t go a day without talking to her mother” when business or training occasionally called Tina Smith away."

http://www.thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/ordeal_ends_with_jubilation_we_won_the_lottery/

belimom
12-14-2010, 10:06 PM
It just dawned on me... Maybe this has been discussed before, but I've missed the obvious in the latest headlines: it seems that LE may think that more than one person killed TS. I've been so caught up with the 'who' that I've ignored the 'what'...

It's one thing to say someone may have assisted them with leaving town or getting away - but it's a huge leap to say they may have assisted with the murder of TS.

tlcya
12-14-2010, 10:14 PM
We can only assume the search warrant that was enacted on AM and GF's home did not produce anything that could tie them to the killing but the items from the Smith home were found there exactly as the informant said they would be.

I think LE considers that possibility because of the proximatey of AM to the crime scene and the interaction with JE on Friday night at the AM. I also think it is a reasonable assumption that there were phone call exchanged between AM and JE during the time period LE suspects the murder happened and shortly thereafter.

I do not know if this AM is involved in the death of TS but it certainly seems that he is involved up to his neck in the getaway. All MOO

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 10:15 PM
I also found this article which states she was a RN.

"Smith was an R.N. at a retirement center, where she coordinated patient plans..."

And at the same link, a description of the relationship between Tina and Brittany

"Dyer said the mother and child were very close, and that Brittany “couldn’t go a day without talking to her mother” when business or training occasionally called Tina Smith away."

http://www.thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/ordeal_ends_with_jubilation_we_won_the_lottery/

Here's a link from the same paper with the timeline of the search for BS.
Two things....it states her father went to SF and it left out Sunday, when a person called LE for a wellness check and found "nothing".

http://www.thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/timeline_of_the_search_for_brittany/

lynnb
12-14-2010, 10:16 PM
Police identify second man in contact with Easley before he left Roanoke Co.
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/

A criminal complaint filed against Easley by the FBI claims a man picked up Easley and Brittany, after Easley sold his red Chevy SUV on the night of December 3rd.

belimom
12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
Police identify second man in contact with Easley before he left Roanoke Co.
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/

A criminal complaint filed against Easley by the FBI claims a man picked up Easley and Brittany, after Easley sold his red Chevy SUV on the night of December 3rd.

Interesting that they won't name the person.

panthera
12-14-2010, 10:21 PM
We can only assume the search warrant that was enacted on AM and GF's home did not produce anything that could tie them to the killing but the items from the Smith home were found there exactly as the informant said they would be.

I think LE considers that possibility because of the proximatey of AM to the crime scene and the interaction with JE on Friday night at the AM. I also think it is a reasonable assumption that there were phone call exchanged between AM and JE during the time period LE suspects the murder happened and shortly thereafter.

I do not know if this AM is involved in the death of TS but it certainly seems that he is involved up to his neck in the getaway. All MOO
On the surface it appears AM is involved in the getaway, however, he may have believed the items (found at his residence) were actually JE's and not Tina's. What we haven't heard was how much he supposedly paid JE for the SUV and his statement how he came into possession of the TV, DVD player, Nintendo, etc., including when they were removed from Tina's. I agree it doesn't look good for him, however. MOO

Reannan
12-14-2010, 10:23 PM
Trying to collect my thoughts between what we KNOW vs. what we THINK.

- We KNOW the brother of BS, son of TS, died 8/04/09 at the age of 16. This apparently happened shortly after he was sent to live with his father (who was different than BS's father). He was possibly sent to live with his father due to problems at home with TS.

- We KNOW JE enters the life of TS and BS sometime during the summer of 2010. BS begins posting about "HBC - ily" stuff in June, 2010 and he reportedly "moves" into their home in October. Prior to that, per MySpace postings, he was 'working out' and 'watching movies' with BS. I haven't read TS's MySpace, so anyone with solid info here, please fill in the timeline.

- We KNOW that JE met other family members at Thanksgiving 2010. They did not like what they saw between him and BS because he was 'touching her arm and stroking her hair' in an 'inappropraite' manner. We believe the family called CPS. When did they call??

- We KNOW TS posted on FB on 12/2/2010 "If I should die before I wake God bless my friends. May I be remembered for my good heart and hopeless romantic ways."


- We believe BS did not go to school on 12/3/2010. BS allegedly posted a comment on ???FB/MS???? on 12/3/10 that she wasn't feeling well all over, that even her bones hurt.

- We KNOW TS posted on FB on 12/3/2010 at 1:30 pm "God please protect us from the evils of this world."


- We KNOW TS died sometime on 12/3/2010. The cause of death and time of death are a bit mysterious. There have been repeated reports of the time of death being sometime between 'late morning and early evening hours'. There have been reports in the media from family that TS was "beaten" but there have been reports in the media that she was 'beaten' or 'shot'. Truth is - we do not know how she died, but it was apparently violent enough to be obviously a murder. The body of TS was found inside of the home.

- We KNOW JE/BS were seen purchasing camping equipment with Tina's credit card at WalMart at 1851 West Main Street, Salem, VA on 12/3/2010 between 8:00 and 8:30 pm.

- We KNOW JE/BS arrived in a red SUV that belonged to JE. AM arrived in his purple car slightly before JE/BS and they were seen entering the Apple Market Convenience Store together at 2723 West Main Street, Salem, VA at around 9:20 pm on 10/3/2010. JE is supposed to have sold the red SUV to AM and his girlfriend JM that night. AM may have a past arrest of a sexual assault of a minor. AM and his girlfriend JM have been questioned by LE and their duplex has been searched. AM and JM are currently not charged. They DID have in their possession a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs/Wii games from TS's home, which they claim was 'in the SUV' when they purchased it from JE. These items were reported missing from the home of TS by a family member. AM was obviously with JE/BS the evening they were last seen according to an Amber Alert that was issued. AM never came forward to LE and AM and his girlfriend JM have given conflicting statements to LE.

- Amber Alert issued after TS's body found oin 12/6/2010.

- JE's red SUV was located 12/6/2010 at the home of AM.

- We STRONGLY BELIEVE BS knew her Mom was dead during the time she was seen at WalMart and Apple Market because of what LE has told us, but we do not know when she became aware of her Mom's death.

The big questions (in no particular order):
1. Why did JE/BS meet AM at the Apple Market???
2. What was JE doing with the door of the Apple Market???
3. How did AM get stolen goods from the home of TS?
4. How did JE/BS drive off from the Apple Market in JE's SUV and yet it ended up being found on 12/6/2010 at the home of AM/JM?
5. When did BS know her Mom was dead??
6. Who murdered TS??

Pollywog
12-14-2010, 10:30 PM
snipped:

"Dyer said the mother and child were very close, and that Brittany “couldn’t go a day without talking to her mother” when business or training occasionally called Tina Smith away."

Did she leave BS there with JE if she had training or was away - scary thought.

cluciano63
12-14-2010, 10:31 PM
Is it possible the Brittany did not feel well Friday/looked off in video due to some drugs, given to her with or without her permission? If you take drugs and are not used to them, you might well wake up feeling lousy all over, even your bones hurting...

passionflower
12-14-2010, 10:31 PM
It just dawned on me... Maybe this has been discussed before, but I've missed the obvious in the latest headlines: it seems that LE may think that more than one person killed TS. I've been so caught up with the 'who' that I've ignored the 'what'...

It's one thing to say someone may have assisted them with leaving town or getting away - but it's a huge leap to say they may have assisted with the murder of TS.

OMG, what did they do to her???
I pray it was quick and she didn't suffer.
IIRC (does anyone remember) before a presser, someone heard and posted
"CRUEL".......................I hope they didn't mean what happened to Tina........

Laynee
12-14-2010, 10:31 PM
On the surface it appears AM is involved in the getaway, however, he may have believed the items (found at his residence) were actually JE's and not Tina's. What we haven't heard was how much he supposedly paid JE for the SUV and his statement how he came into possession of the TV, DVD player, Nintendo, etc., including when they were removed from Tina's. I agree it doesn't look good for him, however. MOO

What if the reason we havent heard what was paid for the SUV is because it wasn't paid with $$... What if JE "sold" the SUV to AM in exchange for his taking "care" of Tina..and was told part of the payment was he could take items from the house after doing so?? Just thinking out loud....

Reannan
12-14-2010, 10:34 PM
What if the reason we havent heard what was paid for the SUV is because it wasn't paid with $$... What if JE "sold" the SUV to AM in exchange for his taking "care" of Tina..and was told part of the payment was he could take items from the house after doing so?? Just thinking out loud....

Exactly what I was trying to say last night, but was pussyfooting around with because we did not know for sure someone else was involved at that point!!! This scenario explains a lot!!!

Japandaaa
12-14-2010, 10:34 PM
OMG, what did they do to her???
I pray it was quick and she didn't suffer.
IIRC (does anyone remember) before a presser, someone heard and posted
"CRUEL".......................I hope they didn't mean what happened to Tina........

Yeah. I remember when this happened. It was when everyone was mumbling before Detective Lavinder spoke. I pray as well that it was quick. Just the thought of her suffering brings tears to my eyes.

:(

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 10:41 PM
OMG, what did they do to her???
I pray it was quick and she didn't suffer.
IIRC (does anyone remember) before a presser, someone heard and posted
"CRUEL".......................I hope they didn't mean what happened to Tina........

I actually think the WSer heard a reporter say something was brutal...which doesn't present a good mental image. However, they may not have been talking about her. I use the word brutal all the time and not in reference to anything violent (ie, that workout was brutal). We can hope.

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 10:47 PM
OMG, what did they do to her???
I pray it was quick and she didn't suffer.
IIRC (does anyone remember) before a presser, someone heard and posted
"CRUEL".......................I hope they didn't mean what happened to Tina........

I remember the word "brutal" being mentioned. We know her mother said she had been beaten, but that has not been confirmed as the COD. Personally, I had not seen...or rather don't remember any reports of being shot.

JMO...but if Easley....or even her mother for that matter....could have yelled at BS when things started heating up with the hitting...to "Go to her room" or "Get out of here".....

panthera
12-14-2010, 10:47 PM
What if the reason we havent heard what was paid for the SUV is because it wasn't paid with $$... What if JE "sold" the SUV to AM in exchange for his taking "care" of Tina..and was told part of the payment was he could take items from the house after doing so?? Just thinking out loud....

It does seem very strange that if JE had received cash for what the vehicle was worth he wouldn't have been panhandling in SF a week later, while camping out in a tent. MOO

CarrieBean
12-14-2010, 10:48 PM
I wonder if any neighbours saw the items being removed from the house.

lynnb
12-14-2010, 10:52 PM
http://www.thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/memorial_service_set_for_smith/
Memorial service set for Smith
also
A welcome-home candlelight celebration will follow on Sunday, Dec. 19, 4-6 p.m., at Downtown South Boston’s Constitution Square. A love offering will be accepted.

Question by me: What is a love offering? a monetary donation?

MBLover
12-14-2010, 10:58 PM
Yes - a love offering is a donation...no set price...just giving what you feel you can

Japandaaa
12-14-2010, 10:59 PM
http://www.thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/memorial_service_set_for_smith/
Memorial service set for Smith
also
A welcome-home candlelight celebration will follow on Sunday, Dec. 19, 4-6 p.m., at Downtown South Boston’s Constitution Square. A love offering will be accepted.

Question by me: What is a love offering? a monetary donation?

I think a "love offering" is something done voluntarily. When my friend passed away, her parents asked for this and a lot of people volunteered ( in her name ) at the church she went to. They helped with programs, events, etc.

KR2tonenow
12-14-2010, 11:01 PM
Trying to collect my thoughts between what we KNOW vs. what we THINK.

- We KNOW the brother of BS, son of TS, died 8/04/09 at the age of 16. This apparently happened shortly after he was sent to live with his father (who was different than BS's father). He was possibly sent to live with his father due to problems at home with TS.

- We KNOW JE enters the life of TS and BS sometime during the summer of 2010. BS begins posting about "HBC - ily" stuff in June, 2010 and he reportedly "moves" into their home in October. Prior to that, per MySpace postings, he was 'working out' and 'watching movies' with BS. I haven't read TS's MySpace, so anyone with solid info here, please fill in the timeline.

- We KNOW that JE met other family members at Thanksgiving 2010. They did not like what they saw between him and BS because he was 'touching her arm and stroking her hair' in an 'inappropraite' manner. We believe the family called CPS. When did they call??

- We KNOW TS posted on FB on 12/2/2010 "If I should die before I wake God bless my friends. May I be remembered for my good heart and hopeless romantic ways."

- We believe BS did not go to school on 12/3/2010. BS allegedly posted a comment on ???FB/MS???? on 12/3/10 that she wasn't feeling well all over, that even her bones hurt.


- We KNOW TS posted on FB on 12/3/2010 at 1:30 pm "God please protect us from the evils of this world."


- We KNOW TS died sometime on 12/3/2010. The cause of death and time of death are a bit mysterious. There have been repeated reports of the time of death being sometime between 'late morning and early evening hours'. There have been reports in the media from family that TS was "beaten" but there have been reports in the media that she was 'beaten' or 'shot'. Truth is - we do not know how she died, but it was apparently violent enough to be obviously a murder. The body of TS was found inside of the home.

- We KNOW JE/BS were seen purchasing camping equipment with Tina's credit card at WalMart at 1851 West Main Street, Salem, VA on 12/3/2010 between 8:00 and 8:30 pm.

- We KNOW JE/BS arrived in a red SUV that belonged to JE. AM arrived in his purple car slightly before JE/BS and they were seen entering the Apple Market Convenience Store together at 2723 West Main Street, Salem, VA at around 9:20 pm on 10/3/2010. JE is supposed to have sold the red SUV to AM and his girlfriend JM that night. AM may have a past arrest of a sexual assault of a minor. AM and his girlfriend JM have been questioned by LE and their duplex has been searched. AM and JM are currently not charged. They DID have in their possession a flat screen TV, a Wii gaming system, a DVD player and DVDs/Wii games from TS's home, which they claim was 'in the SUV' when they purchased it from JE. These items were reported missing from the home of TS by a family member. AM was obviously with JE/BS the evening they were last seen according to an Amber Alert that was issued. AM never came forward to LE and AM and his girlfriend JM have given conflicting statements to LE.

- Amber Alert issued after TS's body found oin 12/6/2010.

- JE's red SUV was located 12/6/2010 at the home of AM.

- We STRONGLY BELIEVE BS knew her Mom was dead during the time she was seen at WalMart and Apple Market because of what LE has told us, but we do not know when she became aware of her Mom's death.

The big questions (in no particular order):
1. Why did JE/BS meet AM at the Apple Market???
2. What was JE doing with the door of the Apple Market???
3. How did AM get stolen goods from the home of TS?
4. How did JE/BS drive off from the Apple Market in JE's SUV and yet it ended up being found on 12/6/2010 at the home of AM/JM?
5. When did BS know her Mom was dead??
6. Who murdered TS??

great job Reannan-:angel:
<snip> BBM

- We believe BS did not go to school on 12/3/2010. BS allegedly posted a comment on ???FB/MS???? on 12/3/10 that she wasn't feeling well all over, that even her bones hurt.

<snip>Was Brittany beaten into submission to go along with JE's plan?
Also, mother knew something bad was going to happen. JE flew into a rage, for I believe this is a rage killing after TS confronted JE. I think AM as per the latest I have read, has given inconsistent information to LE. I think AM was aware of what happened, but JE acted alone.

SevenSeas
12-14-2010, 11:01 PM
It does seem very strange that if JE had received cash for what the vehicle was worth he wouldn't have been panhandling in SF a week later, while camping out in a tent. MOO



Maybe he's more of an opportunist than we had previously imagined... :innocent:

doughgirl07
12-14-2010, 11:02 PM
Could someone please tell me where the neon was found?

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 11:03 PM
Is it possible the Brittany did not feel well Friday/looked off in video due to some drugs, given to her with or without her permission? If you take drugs and are not used to them, you might well wake up feeling lousy all over, even your bones hurting...

Your post gives me another thought....could the fake ID have been for BS to go to clinic for birth control? I don't know what kind of screening they do? Just wondering....

illeKllaH
12-14-2010, 11:04 PM
Could someone please tell me where the neon was found?

SF airport.

hollyblue
12-14-2010, 11:07 PM
It does seem very strange that if JE had received cash for what the vehicle was worth he wouldn't have been panhandling in SF a week later, while camping out in a tent. MOO

I've been going back and forth between this and the last thread to catch up on the links. I did see in an article they rec'd cash for the SUV....but now I can't find it!!! JE not being too bright....he may have gotten robbed sometime at the homeless camp...not protecting his assets at all times and hence, they had to panhandle. ??

passionflower
12-14-2010, 11:10 PM
I've been going back and forth between this and the last thread to catch up on the links. I did see in an article they rec'd cash for the SUV....but now I can't find it!!! JE not being too bright....he may have gotten robbed sometime at the homeless camp...not protecting his assets at all times and hence, they had to panhandle. ??

or JE just got enough money to get to CA...........

belimom
12-14-2010, 11:11 PM
I've been going back and forth between this and the last thread to catch up on the links. I did see in an article they rec'd cash for the SUV....but now I can't find it!!! JE not being too bright....he may have gotten robbed sometime at the homeless camp...not protecting his assets at all times and hence, they had to panhandle. ??

Does this help? (I love Google, btw):


http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/10/brittany-smith-back-virginia-easley-court-hearing--ar-715144/

"Investigators believe Easley sold his SUV for cash, and that's why he needed someone to pick him and Brittany up."

MBLover
12-14-2010, 11:12 PM
I'm not sure if this has been posted or not

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/criminal-justice-expert-says-public-shouldnt-specu-ar-716410/

RADFORD - We are still waiting to learn more information in the Jeffrey Easley and Brittany Smith case.

Many who have seen the two in surveillance videos taken in Salem have asked why Smith didn't try to get away from Easley in such public settings.

We took that question to local criminal justice expert Dr. Tod Burke works at Radford University.

He's also a former Maryland police officer.

Burke is not working on the Smith-Easley case, but has experience on these type of investigations.

We showed him surveillance videos of the two to get his take.

Here's what he had to say.

(more at link - with video)

WillenFan21
12-14-2010, 11:16 PM
hurting all over..............even my bones..........doc appt..........pregnant?
It will work out? everything is for a reason......all the I Love you???
shopping???
Oh LORD, please not this to deal with also!!!

OMG She posted this on FAcebook?

jjenny
12-14-2010, 11:27 PM
I'm not sure if this has been posted or not

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/criminal-justice-expert-says-public-shouldnt-specu-ar-716410/

RADFORD - We are still waiting to learn more information in the Jeffrey Easley and Brittany Smith case.

Many who have seen the two in surveillance videos taken in Salem have asked why Smith didn't try to get away from Easley in such public settings.

We took that question to local criminal justice expert Dr. Tod Burke works at Radford University.

He's also a former Maryland police officer.

Burke is not working on the Smith-Easley case, but has experience on these type of investigations.

We showed him surveillance videos of the two to get his take.

Here's what he had to say.

(more at link - with video)

I certainly agree with the man. We don't know what her state of mind was/is.

sam24
12-14-2010, 11:40 PM
I haven't seen this posted yet, but if it has please forgive.
Now, looks like a SECOND person (male, not AM's GF) was in contact with BS and JE after the trip to Walmart.
I think there is soooo much out there that hasn't come out yet but I think JE was asked to leave Tina's house that Friday and possibly went to stay with AM and his girlfriend and somehow got a ride back to TS that night (pretense to pick up his belongings?) and brought along a friend with him. LE stated tonight on the news that they are looking for an article of clothing of AM's for evidence. Hum, blood, maybe? I no longer think JE did the murder himself.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/

belimom
12-14-2010, 11:45 PM
...(snipped)...LE stated tonight on the news that they are looking for an article of clothing of AM's for evidence. Hum, blood, maybe? I no longer think JE did the murder himself.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/

BBM

I can't decide if he did it with help, did it alone, or had someone else do it.

Does no one else think it's a huge deal that LE thinks someone may have assisted in her murder, per the headlines about AM? That means whatever the COD, something is leading them to believe it took more than one person. Maybe it's just me but I think that those headlines are an important clue.

sam24
12-14-2010, 11:52 PM
BBM

I can't decide if he did it with help, did it alone, or had someone else do it.

Does no one else think it's a huge deal that LE thinks someone may have assisted in her murder, per the headlines about AM? That means whatever the COD, something is leading them to believe it took more than one person. Maybe it's just me but I think that those headlines are an important clue.
I think you're absolutely right. What bugs me is why did JE waive extradition? They said tonight, if he had fought it, it could have been up to 90 days to get him back here. He was seen laughing in the courtroom and honestly did not look bothered by any of it at all. Me, I would have been freaking out. I think drugs are going to play a big part in this, either JE and friends on them that night or something I can't quite but my finger on. He may have told this AM that the TV, WII, etc was his stuff that he got the guy to give him a ride or (... gosh, tooo many ways this could go really) and the guy may have sat in the driveway while he went in and did it himself and then brought the stuff out and put in the car and they drove away.

Jo in Calif
12-14-2010, 11:56 PM
This was also posted in the Roanoke Times, today Dec 14 along with the time line for BR, TE and JE their postings on MS

Dec. 4: Easley on MySpace: "Got a lot on my mind."

Did he post using his cell phone? If not when would he have posted this? I would have thought they headed outta Dodge, right after the car exchange, on the 3rd of Dec.

sam24
12-15-2010, 12:02 AM
This was also posted in the Roanoke Times, today Dec 14 along with the time line for BR, TE and JE their postings on MS

Dec. 4: Easley on MySpace: "Got a lot on my mind."

Did he post using his cell phone? If not when would he have posted this? I would have thought they headed outta Dodge, right after the car exchange, on the 3rd of Dec.
Can you see if that was in response to someone asking about him. I admit, I've never been on fb or ms, so I'm not sure how much you can view, but I remember his mom said she tried to contact him to see how he was doing so could that have been a response for her.

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 12:02 AM
BBM

I can't decide if he did it with help, did it alone, or had someone else do it.

Does no one else think it's a huge deal that LE thinks someone may have assisted in her murder, per the headlines about AM? That means whatever the COD, something is leading them to believe it took more than one person. Maybe it's just me but I think that those headlines are an important clue.

BS saw or knew of someone else or they found a second set of prints?, hair, foot prints??? Just throwing ideas out there...

You know, I'm starting to think there are other elements involved besides the beating...but going back and forth between her being bludgeoned and stabbed/slit throat. Hated posting that.:(

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 12:08 AM
This was also posted in the Roanoke Times, today Dec 14 along with the time line for BR, TE and JE their postings on MS

Dec. 4: Easley on MySpace: "Got a lot on my mind."

Did he post using his cell phone? If not when would he have posted this? I would have thought they headed outta Dodge, right after the car exchange, on the 3rd of Dec.

Yes, I wish we knew what time on the 4th he posted that. Was it the very early AM that LE thinks they could have left or was it later on in the day...whereever....I'm sure LE have traced it......unfortunately that's not proof he was the one with it in hand and sending it.

Japandaaa
12-15-2010, 12:09 AM
I haven't seen this posted yet, but if it has please forgive.
Now, looks like a SECOND person (male, not AM's GF) was in contact with BS and JE after the trip to Walmart.
I think there is soooo much out there that hasn't come out yet but I think JE was asked to leave Tina's house that Friday and possibly went to stay with AM and his girlfriend and somehow got a ride back to TS that night (pretense to pick up his belongings?) and brought along a friend with him. LE stated tonight on the news that they are looking for an article of clothing of AM's for evidence. Hum, blood, maybe? I no longer think JE did the murder himself.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/14/investigators-identify-second-man-who-had-contact--ar-716145/

This was my theory in the beginning. I think TS confronted JSE to leave Thursday which was why she updated her Facebook with what she did. More than likely he threatened her life. He could have even threatened to take BS from her. They might have made arrangements the following day to for him to get his things or else he could have followed her wherever her and BS went, if they were running errands, going to the doctor, etc. I do honestly believe that JSE was not at the house Thursday night. I believe he was with whoever and a plan of action took place.

This sounds weird, but I've been having dreams of TS being murdered horribly. I guess because I frequent this board and read/watch the news all the time ; so it plays into my dreams, but I think more than one person was involved and I almost see them doing it for "fun" or a rush. People, when fueled with anger, can commit horrible acts, especially if they were on drugs. A lot of crimes are committed with people being high on something and/or drunk.

..... This is just ME thinking.

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 12:11 AM
Can you see if that was in response to someone asking about him. I admit, I've never been on fb or ms, so I'm not sure how much you can view, but I remember his mom said she tried to contact him to see how he was doing so could that have been a response for her.

IIRC his mother, during the PC, said she tried to contact him on Sunday, but didn't talk to him....said she would call back.

WillenFan21
12-15-2010, 12:12 AM
I bet this is going to turn out to be sort of similar to a home invasion robbery and I have an idea as to how exactly this could have went down. We have three major points to this story now.

1. Tina's Murder

2. Brittany's Kidnapping

3. Several things being stolen from the home.

In order to do all of that you are obviously going to need more than one person so what I think could have happened is something like this. I think that JE murdered Tina while the other two got Brittany out of the house and stole the items. You know how we have all been wondering about the vehicles? There are three men and three vehicles that come into play here:

1. Brittany's Mom's Car

2. JSEs' Car

3. The Purple Car.

Do you get where I am going with this? JSE sold his SUV to one of those men and I think that man who bought it was the one that helped with the stolen items. I am betting they already had the SUV before it was payed for. If the man with the purple car is the one who has the GF maybe he is the one that took Brittany out of the house. I think that she may have seen the beginning of her mom's murder but not all of it. The other man back at the mothers home with Easely drove the other car with the stolen goods in the SUV and then Easely took the mothers car. I think they met up later which is where the whole paying up for the SUV comes into play.

The whole pay up thing at the store could have been them meeting up bringing Brittany to Easely and then Easely getting his money. What do you guys think about this?

sam24
12-15-2010, 12:17 AM
BS saw or knew of someone else or they found a second set of prints?, hair, foot prints??? Just throwing ideas out there...

You know, I'm starting to think there are other elements involved besides the beating...but going back and forth between her being bludgeoned and stabbed/slit throat. Hated posting that.:(
You all were talking earlier today about hearing something about 'brutal', I remember that too but there was another word with it, not 'very brutal' but something along those lines. Yes, it looks like the murder may have been extemely ugly in nature. If these guys were doing meth or something that just makes you lose reality, it just gives me the shivers thinking what could have happened to her.

And, what does 'BBM' mean? Usually I can figure it out, but my brain is overloaded right now :)
Thanks!

Jo in Calif
12-15-2010, 12:17 AM
We now know why BS didn't go to school on Friday 12/3

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

The MS post on the 4th was in this article

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 12:19 AM
But Britt was with JE when they arrived at the convenience store.

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 12:20 AM
You all were talking earlier today about hearing something about 'brutal', I remember that too but there was another word with it, not 'very brutal' but something along those lines. Yes, it looks like the murder may have been extemely ugly in nature. If these guys were doing meth or something that just makes you lose reality, it just gives me the shivers thinking what could have happened to her.

And, what does 'BBM' mean? Usually I can figure it out, but my brain is overloaded right now :)
Thanks!

Bolded by me.

WillenFan21
12-15-2010, 12:26 AM
But Britt was with JE when they arrived at the convenience store.

Did we see them arrive with each other? I mean they could have met up BEFORE the camera rolled.

Japandaaa
12-15-2010, 12:30 AM
Did we see them arrive with each other? I mean they could have met up BEFORE the camera rolled.

From what we saw, we never saw BS get out. All we see is JSE get out of his SUV and the guy that walks into the store with them gets out of the passenger seat of the purple car in front of JSE's SUV. It's hard telling what happened and what car BS was in.

sam24
12-15-2010, 12:32 AM
And why would AM (owner of the purple car, right?) leave the car in a parking lot in plain view once he got the SUV. I don't know where it was exactly but the video with the cops around it, checking it out, looked like it was just sitting in a empty parking lot. Did he plan to come back later on and pick up the purple car at a later date, I don't think he would just leave it for LE to find, which they of course did, sooo did he really know about the murder at all? Did JE owe him (AM) money? for drugs maybe? and the SUV was a payoff before leaving town and that's why JE was STILL broke and panhandling in SF? Has it been reported how much AM paid JE for the SUV?

zoomom
12-15-2010, 12:43 AM
BBM I am thinking if the clerk was familiar with BS and JE and the manager knew them both AND TS then it would only make sense that when in the store the behavior may have been different in front of a clerk who did not know TS than it would be in front of the manager who ALSO knew BS mother? Not sure if I am conveying my thought in the clearest way.

Tlcox - I get what you're saying. Probably the manager has worked there longer and more hours (or different hours) than the clerk. Maybe the clerk has only been there 6 months.....where as the manager could have been there a few years. And maybe she lived in their area and knew the family for a period of time like a bunch of us do in a small town.


Maybe I'm not making sense! I see regulars in my neighborhood every day. Doesn't mean I ever ate dinner with them, or know their parents. But I do know their normal behavior patterns. FWIW.

WillenFan21
12-15-2010, 12:46 AM
Well maybe they loaded the stolen items into the purple car and then transferred them to SUV afterwards? I dont know but I think Brittany was taken out of the house to get her out of the way. I mean maybe they just did decide to leave purple car there.

belimom
12-15-2010, 12:49 AM
And why would AM (owner of the purple car, right?) leave the car in a parking lot in plain view once he got the SUV. I don't know where it was exactly but the video with the cops around it, checking it out, looked like it was just sitting in a empty parking lot. Did he plan to come back later on and pick up the purple car at a later date, I don't think he would just leave it for LE to find, which they of course did, sooo did he really know about the murder at all? Did JE owe him (AM) money? for drugs maybe? and the SUV was a payoff before leaving town and that's why JE was STILL broke and panhandling in SF? Has it been reported how much AM paid JE for the SUV?

I have a theory here: Not only did JE sell the red Blazer but he may have somehow traded for the purple car -- a getaway car for him and Brittany (which he later ditched for some reason in favor of the silver Neon?). And if that's the case, then I don't think AM had anything to do with the murder or any knowledge of it b/c he would have hidden that Blazer, knowing LE would be looking for it. It would be a really dumb move to say, "Ok - you flee with BS after we kill TS, and I'll associate myself with this whole mess by buying your car and parking it in my driveway". KWIM?

impatientredhead
12-15-2010, 12:51 AM
Well maybe they loaded the stolen items into the purple car and then transferred them to SUV afterwards? I dont know but I think Brittany was taken out of the house to get her out of the way. I mean maybe they just did decide to leave purple car there.

I think she was in the house when Tina was killed. I am not saying she was involved, complicit, or knew in advance.

I think the SUV was in the garage to load the electronics without the neighbors noticing.

sam24
12-15-2010, 12:59 AM
"Roanoke County Police confirmed to 10 On Your Side that investigators have identified a second man who had contact with Jeffrey Easley, before Easley left with Brittany Smith for San Francisco.

A criminal complaint filed against Easley by the FBI claims a man picked up Easley and Brittany, after Easley sold his red Chevy SUV on the night of December 3rd.

Police say this was after surveillance video captured Easley and Brittany at the Salem Wal-Mart at 8:30 p.m. on December 3rd, and after a security camera taped similar video of Easley and Brittany leaving a nearby Apple Market convenience store about an hour later.

Investigators said they know the man's identity who picked up Easley and Brittany, after the pair stopped at the Apple Market, but declined to provide any more details, saying the case is still under investigation."
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So by reading this, once they sold the SUV to AM, they had yet another person come pick them up. To take them back to TS's house to pick up her Neon at that point? I guess it is possible that JE killed her, spent the next several hours working on a plan, called AM told him he'd sell him his SUV, took Brittany to Walmart, talked to AM in Walmart on his cell, possibly telling him 'I'm leaving Walmart now, meet you at the Apple Mart', got the money for the SUV, had AM drop him off somewhere other than TS's house (so AM wouldn't see the murder/crime scene?) or he could have hung out at the apple mart until the second person showed up, got that person to take him back to ts's house to pick up the Neon, second person drives off not noticing anything wrong and JE and Brittany hit the road. Maybe he did do it itself and neither of the other two knew. If AM was involved, why wouldn't he just drive JE and Brittany back to Tina's house to pick up the Neon? It was just down the road a piece. Why include another person?

impatientredhead
12-15-2010, 01:06 AM
The timeline is Walmart
Then the Apple Market where they sell the SUV.
Then to a third location where they must catch a ride back to the neon to get on the road.

belimom
12-15-2010, 01:36 AM
The timeline is Walmart
Then the Apple Market where they sell the SUV.
Then to a third location where they must catch a ride back to the neon to get on the road.

I agree...

And like a posted above, I really don't think AM had anything to do with TS's murder. He's not a newbie criminal - he has a record. So he's too smart to keep possession of JE's red Blazer out in the wide open (or did he turn it in to LE?). Either way, I can't help but believe he would not want to be caught with the vehicle of someone who is on the run with a child after the mother was murdered (and this goes for whether AM just knew that JE murdered TS, or whether it's being speculated that AM assisted with the murder of TS).

I just don't think he would keep the Blazer afterwards. If he has assisted with the murder or had knowledge of it, he would've ditched that vehicle ASAP or refused to take it to begin with. Even if it's true as some have speculated that JE maybe gave AM the Blazer as 'payment', AM would not have held onto it that long - he would have sold it the next day. :twocents:

And if it turns out AM did assist JE... AND kept the Blazer in broad daylight, then that's just as stupid as a news story I saw once where someone held up a bank using the back of one of their checks as the note they gave the teller. When they got home from robbing the bank, LE was waiting at their house. Not smart at all on AM's part to keep the Blazer... doesn't make sense.

sam24
12-15-2010, 01:46 AM
I agree...

And like a posted above, I really don't think AM had anything to do with TS's murder. He's not a newbie criminal - he has a record. So he's too smart to keep possession of JE's red Blazer out in the wide open (or did he turn it in to LE?). Either way, I can't help but believe he would not want to be caught with the vehicle of someone who is on the run with a child after the mother was murdered (and this goes for whether AM just knew that JE murdered TS, or whether it's being speculated that AM assisted with the murder of TS).

I just don't think he would keep the Blazer afterwards. If he has assisted with the murder or had knowledge of it, he would've ditched that vehicle ASAP or refused to take it to begin with. Even if it's true as some have speculated that JE maybe gave AM the Blazer as 'payment', AM would not have held onto it that long - he would have sold it the next day. :twocents:

And if it turns out AM did assist JE... AND kept the Blazer in broad daylight, then that's just as stupid as a news story I saw once where someone held up a bank using the back of one of their checks as the note they gave the teller. When they got home from robbing the bank, LE was waiting at their house. Not smart at all on AM's part to keep the Blazer... doesn't make sense.
And in the video where a reporter went to AM's house (the duplex in Garden City) a woman (you can hear her voice but cannot see her) opened the door and the reporter asked her if JE had been there and she said 'if the police haven't told you, I'm not going to tell you'. Why would she even open the door for a reporter if they (her and AM) were involved? I don't think AM or the girlfriend knew anything either.
Something else, I just watched the apple mart video again and JE leaves for about 15 seconds while they were in the store and then comes back in. He didn't really have time to walk back to the SUV as it was on the far lane at the market. Did he see the second person drive up and walked out to give a quick 'hey' and let the person know he was in the store?? Hmmmm....

sam24
12-15-2010, 02:07 AM
Unbelievably, the reporters must be working non-stop. Here's another updated news story that was JUST posted on roanoke.com, at what, 2:00am?

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270793

sam24
12-15-2010, 02:12 AM
Tina was an army veteran???!!! Hadn't heard that before.

LadyL
12-15-2010, 02:49 AM
I'm so disgusted with this entire thing. I'm glad Britt came home safe and can now heal from this with her family but we have Easley the pervert (who apparently thinks this is all a joke as per court video) and at least one, possibly three other people who either knew about or participated in several crimes. We also have a bunch of people who knew this pervert was with a young girl and accepted it like it was normal. I'm SO disgusted and angry right now.

belimom
12-15-2010, 06:18 AM
http://www.wset.com/Global/story.asp?S=13671824 ...(snipped)...
How is it that the manager knew the family but the clerk didn't?? Did he and the manager never work the same shift together or was the manager never on duty when BS and JE came in together all "lovey dovey"?

And why would McElvy "abandon" his car??

I'm sooooooo confused.....

BBM

The manager could have known TS from the community and not from coming in the store.

feralhipichik
12-15-2010, 07:41 AM
We will NEVER know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, believe me! I've had little sleep for a week trying to keep up with all of this, and I think it's time that we gave up wondering, speculating, assuming, contriving, and thank the universe that BS is home & safe, and let TS finally rest in peace.
The law already have way more info than any of us, including any that BS was willing to share. The abridged version of the story will come out in due course, but my opinion is there is nothing more that we can do here. Thank you all for the brainstorming and your hard work keeping us up to date, Keep your families safe. x

hoppyfrog
12-15-2010, 07:55 AM
...and I think it's time that we gave up wondering, speculating...

That's what we do here at WS, and that's okay (as long as it's within TOS, of course!).

passionflower
12-15-2010, 08:13 AM
Welcome to our world! Feralhipichic!!!!

MBLover
12-15-2010, 08:26 AM
MHO... I think TS was killed sometime in the later afternoon or early evening (since wasn't there a FB post by her around 1:30). I do believe she was deceased by the time the trip to WM took place.

Kind of some controlled frantic activity - WM trip, ATM, Apple Market, loading up items from the house, packing for the cross country trip. All of these things took time. We know at what times some of these things took place - but the removal of the items from the house to the SUV - sounds like this was done either before the WM trip or sometime after that but before the Apple Market stop. Same with the packing of personal items for the get away. And then again, we don't actually know when JSE and BS left the area. They may not have left town until sometime later.

I would expect that the RCPD could narrow down the time if there was a parking ticket issued when they parked the neon in the parking lot at (near) the SF Airport. Usually those tickets are day and time dated. So would believe that this could help narrow down the time to when they left Salem.

I don't know why, but I don't believe that AM knew outright about the murder of TS. I'm thinking that maybe JSE was hoping that his actions would set up AM to be complicit in the actions of that day and that JSE could deflect some (if not all) of the murder onto AM.

All JSE had to tell AM was that he and "his girl" were having money problems...and with the holidays coming and all they needed money for presents/bills, etc. I would think it possible that at some point (earlier) that AM expressed and interest in JSE's vehicle.

Like the others, if AM was involved with TS's murder (or even had any inkling about it), he would have been dumber than a box of rocks to 1) leave his vehicle somewhere; 2) to have JSE's SUV at his home; 3) to have been driving around in that SUV. I just don't believe that AM had any reason to not believe this was a legitimate transaction.

Yeah...AM has a bad past, but that doesn't mean he knowingly helped in any direct way with TS's murder, nor does it mean he was ever in TS's home.

What I don't understand though...is if JM was in the vehicle with AM when they went to make this transaction, then why didn't one of them drive the vehicle they came in back to their home? Why was this "purple car" left behind? Wasn't it stated that both the purple car and the SUV were filled up with gas? I think that is what is perplexing me - fill up the purple car and leave it? Something about that doesn't make sense to me.

Unless JSE and AM were supposedly trading vehicles and then for some reason decided not to use the "purple car" - maybe because of the color?

I'm rambling...I'll quit...

salvarenga
12-15-2010, 08:33 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270793

This article has some great points about Brittany's road to recovery.

"Her life isn't going to be the same," said Margaret Blaustein, a psychologist with the Trauma Center in Brookline, Mass., who works with children. "A child doesn't go through a significant trauma and come out the exact same."

Part of Brittany's recovery is to understand that things aren't the same and to confront her mom's death and her cross-country trip with Easley, Blaustein said.

Brittany's future identity "has to incorporate what happened," Blaustein said. "It's not getting over it. It's taking that information in and having that become part of who she is."

Community support could help Brittany's recovery, said Russell Jones, a psychology professor at Virginia Tech who specializes in trauma.

"Social support, whether in the form of family, friends, or community members, have often been the number one predictor of success," Jones said.

Reannan
12-15-2010, 08:48 AM
The video at the Apple Market where JE keeps going back to the front door and actually walks outside for a moment is driving me crazy. It was just such odd behaviour. I remain partially convinced that he intentionally dropped a key to Tina's house behind that door for a third person to retrieve. Another possibility occurred to me this morning, however. What if Tina was in the purple car being watched by a third person? I could see JE going to the door and making sure Tina was under control in the car. Maybe JE come up with some ruse to get Tina to bring her car to some location - perhaps the parking lot where the purple car was retrieved and she was forced to get into the purple car. At this point, JE and BS could have driven the red SUV from the Apple Market to the parking lot, got Tina's car and hit the road while AM and whoever the third person was took Tina back to her home where the murder happened and the items were stolen. Afterwards, the purple car could have been driven back to the parking lot, abandoned and the red SUV driven home by AM. Maybe JE was stupid enough to think someone would think Tina was murdered during a robbery gone bad under these circumstances??? All of this is of course, just me thinking out loud trying to make sense of so many vehicles being involved and why they stopped and went in the Apple Market.

Strawberry Fields
12-15-2010, 08:59 AM
One thing that reaches out to me is the statement by one of the detectives about the things they found out in SF made us want to take care of her (something like that). Makes me wonder if they think she is in danger now because of what she knows. She may know exactly who killed her mother and they may know she knows it. In this case, her father, who fortunately is a police officer, needs to be sure she is protected closely. Or they could have been referring to what she has been through, as the reason for wanting to take care of her. Bless her heart.

peeples
12-15-2010, 09:02 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270793

This article has some great points about Brittany's road to recovery.

"Her life isn't going to be the same," said Margaret Blaustein, a psychologist with the Trauma Center in Brookline, Mass., who works with children. "A child doesn't go through a significant trauma and come out the exact same."

Part of Brittany's recovery is to understand that things aren't the same and to confront her mom's death and her cross-country trip with Easley, Blaustein said.

Brittany's future identity "has to incorporate what happened," Blaustein said. "It's not getting over it. It's taking that information in and having that become part of who she is."

Community support could help Brittany's recovery, said Russell Jones, a psychology professor at Virginia Tech who specializes in trauma.

"Social support, whether in the form of family, friends, or community members, have often been the number one predictor of success," Jones said.

Yep, she'll never be a regular 7th or 8th or 9th grader ever again and the worst thing she can do is TRY to go back to life like everything is normal..because it's not she'll find a new normal But it's going to take a very long time.. She will/has changed forever. (Speaking as a survivor)

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 09:18 AM
One thing that reaches out to me is the statement by one of the detectives about the things they found out in SF made us want to take care of her (something like that). Makes me wonder if they think she is in danger now because of what she knows. She may know exactly who killed her mother and they may know she knows it. In this case, her father, who fortunately is a police officer, needs to be sure she is protected closely. Or they could have been referring to what she has been through, as the reason for wanting to take care of her. Bless her heart.

You're going where my mind is taking me.

snipped and BBM below:

"The information and evidence that we have obtained here will be shipped back (to Virginia)," McPhail said. "It should be extremely productive."
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/man-accused-in-va-girl-kidnap-waives-extradition-121410

Patty G
12-15-2010, 09:21 AM
My thoughts about JE going back to the door shortly after he walked in with BS and the other guy is because the door was stuck in the open position. It appears when he looks towards the corner of the area was to check the mat on the floor. IMO.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/dec/13/7/new-surveillance-video-easley-brittany-smith-leavi-ar-712919/

Not sure why he went back outside after what appears that the cashier is either giving directions or possibly pointing to the pumps and what number the cars are at for gas.

I know I have parked in front of a pump, went inside to prepay for gas and not know the number of the pump.

CarrieBean
12-15-2010, 09:45 AM
The vehicles were in plain sight, so I would think the cashier would know which pump was used for each vehicle. I've never worked at a gas station, but there is something inside telling them how much gas was removed from each pump. I could understand if the place was packed full of customers, but it wasn't.

I also wonder if the "second male" was outside waiting.

ETA: As far as him going to fix the mat at the door...it looks to me that he's so fidgety that he HAS to do something other than stand there while waiting for the other customer to leave. Him and BS both look extremely nervous.

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 10:06 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/270793

This article has some great points about Brittany's road to recovery.

"Her life isn't going to be the same," said Margaret Blaustein, a psychologist with the Trauma Center in Brookline, Mass., who works with children. "A child doesn't go through a significant trauma and come out the exact same."

Part of Brittany's recovery is to understand that things aren't the same and to confront her mom's death and her cross-country trip with Easley, Blaustein said.

Brittany's future identity "has to incorporate what happened," Blaustein said. "It's not getting over it. It's taking that information in and having that become part of who she is."

Community support could help Brittany's recovery, said Russell Jones, a psychology professor at Virginia Tech who specializes in trauma.

"Social support, whether in the form of family, friends, or community members, have often been the number one predictor of success," Jones said.

It will take the community as well, but think it should be kept low key. Teachers and even her father's buddies in LE should keep an eye of awareness out for any signs. Mentally she is not that 12 yr old any longer. I know the father and family are elated and want this holiday to be special for her, but it should be kept low keyed also, imo. Too much attention just may be detrimental in the future....if at one point she is seeking attention....here..she is still a tween. I do not mean to be critical....just that the fine line and balance has now begun for the family....and it's not easy. Praying the family finds a good therapist to help them all work through this. I'm so mad at that POS right now...I'd like to hang him by his rocket and boosters...and make sure his tanked was filled!!!!! Where are you....Bubba?

JMO

belimom
12-15-2010, 10:21 AM
...(snipped)...
ETA: As far as him going to fix the mat at the door...it looks to me that he's so fidgety that he HAS to do something other than stand there while waiting for the other customer to leave. Him and BS both look extremely nervous.

That's what I was thinking as well - nervous energy.

EgyptNug
12-15-2010, 10:25 AM
It's also odd that the people who were accessing the sites by IPhone didn't bring it up...???

We were savvy to all of them except that one post???

I think the Iphone access was just to the myspace pages? Are Iphone users able to see the private FB pages?

Gizmorose
12-15-2010, 10:27 AM
But Britt was with JE when they arrived at the convenience store.

Just catching up ... went back to the video that you can hear store employees and someone else discussing the tape because it shows a longer portion of the exterior of the store just after all arrived. You can see JE and the guy in blue leave the pumps pass the truck on the right of screen I suppose to enter the store. BS is not with them but then she appears with them entering the store on the interior cam. If you continue to the end of the video you see JE back the SUV up (out of camera view) then pull around the pumps closer to the camera and drive to the left of the video.
I watched it a couple times and cannot see BS at all until they enter the store.

Gizmorose
12-15-2010, 10:33 AM
But Britt was with JE when they arrived at the convenience store.

I meant to leave the link to the video that I think is the only one that shows JE and the other guys leaving the pump and the SUV coming around the pumps at the end....

http://articles.wdbj7.com/2010-12-13/easley-and-smith_25190023

EgyptNug
12-15-2010, 10:36 AM
Do we have anything that shows that JE met Tina before he knew BS?
I feel from the MS timeline that it seems possible that he and BS were communicating and had a friendship before he linked up with her mom.

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 10:38 AM
I think the Iphone access was just to the myspace pages? Are Iphone users able to see the private FB pages?

I can't

Pollywog
12-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Yes, I wish we knew what time on the 4th he posted that. Was it the very early AM that LE thinks they could have left or was it later on in the day...whereever....I'm sure LE have traced it......unfortunately that's not proof he was the one with it in hand and sending it.

I thought it was Adam that posted that on his FB or MS ???

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Do we have anything that shows that JE met Tina before he knew BS?
I feel from the MS timeline that it seems possible that he and BS were communicating and had a friendship before he linked up with her mom.

My feeling is that BS met JSE months (June) before TS and JSE met online (August). I think JSE had already heard the family history from BS and decided to "hook up" with TS as a means to get closer to BS and to freeload off of TS. IMO

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 10:51 AM
If we go on the theory that AM may not have assisted or participated in the murder; why did he not mention to LE that he connected with JSE & BS at Apple Mart? What is he hiding?

I'm thinking AM had knowledge that TS was murdered by the time they met up if he didn’t in fact participate. We know the Amber Alert Update came out on Monday that the red SUV had been "recovered". I think the plan all along was that AM would come forward to say he bought it from JSE. I would think it's still legal for JSE to sell it prior to hitting the road and being charged and they both knew it. We also know that LE was focusing on states that JSE had ties to. It’s possible AM may have stated during the interview that JSE mentioned to him something about going to see family. We also know LE gave the impression that they had no idea which direction JSE may have gone but thought someone may be helping him. AM may have intentionally mislead police into thinking very little money was paid for the red SUV so that the LE did not know JSE had the financial means to get across the country.

The purple car being left behind does not really seem like such a big bombshell IMO. What significance does leaving it somewhere have in the case or AM’s guilt? Granted it’s odd but not significant. What is significant is why AM did not disclose to LE about meeting up with JSE at AM.

Pollywog
12-15-2010, 11:02 AM
But why would they just leave the body of TS in the house knowing she would be found soon? You would htink they would have tried to dump her body some place (sorry it sounds harsh, but just thinking). I think maybe he/they did not mean to kill her but in a fit of rage at having to leave it turned to that. But you really never know how a pervert thinks when he has his mind set on a child.

BS will suffer from PTSD for years I am sure especially if she was sexually assaulted. I did and still do at times.

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 11:02 AM
Snipped
"Investigators believe that some disturbing things may have happened during the kidnapping."

http://thenewsportalonline.com/brittany-smith-family-was-concerned-about-easley-attention/116655/

belimom
12-15-2010, 11:09 AM
If we go on the theory that AM may not have assisted or participated in the murder; why did he not mention to LE that he connected with JSE & BS at Apple Mart? What is he hiding? ...(snipped)... What is significant is why AM did not disclose to LE about meeting up with JSE at AM.

You're right. But what I was thinking was if you've already been in trouble with the law before and have a record (and may still be involved in illegal activities), you would probably want to distance yourself from anyone else having run-ins with LE. (Ever been around someone who's afraid of LE? Paranoid as all get-out...). I wonder if they just decided to distance themselves b/c they didn't want to be brought into it or be investigated. Of course, that was before they knew about the video.

belimom
12-15-2010, 11:11 AM
Snipped
"Investigators believe that some disturbing things may have happened during the kidnapping."

http://thenewsportalonline.com/brittany-smith-family-was-concerned-about-easley-attention/116655/

To put it in context, relate it to the sentence following that one (from the same link above):

"Investigators believe that some disturbing things may have happened during the kidnapping. Smith had already updated her Facebook and Myspace pages to change her last name to Easley."

:(

illeKllaH
12-15-2010, 11:15 AM
Dear God. That doesn't leave a lot to the imagination.

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 11:19 AM
You're right. But what I was thinking was if you've already been in trouble with the law before and have a record (and may still be involved in illegal activities), you would probably want to distance yourself from anyone else having run-ins with LE. (Ever been around someone who's afraid of LE? Paranoid as all get-out...). I wonder if they just decided to distance themselves b/c they didn't want to be brought into it or be investigated. Of course, that was before they knew about the video.

IMO.... AM is not that bright. He got a heck of a deal on the SUV and was willing to try to cover for his buddy. Not very bright or he would have ensured he and his GF had the same stories to tell LE. That's why LE has suspicions. Again only my opinion

x_files
12-15-2010, 11:21 AM
And why would AM (owner of the purple car, right?) leave the car in a parking lot in plain view once he got the SUV. I don't know where it was exactly but the video with the cops around it, checking it out, looked like it was just sitting in a empty parking lot. Did he plan to come back later on and pick up the purple car at a later date, I don't think he would just leave it for LE to find, which they of course did, sooo did he really know about the murder at all? Did JE owe him (AM) money? for drugs maybe? and the SUV was a payoff before leaving town and that's why JE was STILL broke and panhandling in SF? Has it been reported how much AM paid JE for the SUV?

I think they were on drugs so not much will make logical sense.
They were basically reacting. AM fb proves he is below the average IQ level.
Combine that with drug use his whole life=flawed logic and no common sense.

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 11:21 AM
To put it in context, relate it to the sentence following that one (from the same link above):



:(

Help me. Where is your mind going when adding the 2nd sentence?

peeples
12-15-2010, 11:23 AM
But why would they just leave the body of TS in the house knowing she would be found soon? You would htink they would have tried to dump her body some place (sorry it sounds harsh, but just thinking). I think maybe he/they did not mean to kill her but in a fit of rage at having to leave it turned to that. But you really never know how a pervert thinks when he has his mind set on a child.

BS will suffer from PTSD for years I am sure especially if she was sexually assaulted. I did and still do at times.

Me too pollywog

belimom
12-15-2010, 11:24 AM
Help me. Where is your mind going when adding the 2nd sentence?

They seem to relate the "disturbing things" to Brittany having "already" changed her name to Easley on FB... Of course, I'm just speculating and trying to read between the lines. Willing to be wrong - and hope I am.

MBLover
12-15-2010, 11:25 AM
Me too pollywog

Me 3...and my situation was nowhere near as horrific

peeples
12-15-2010, 11:26 AM
(HUGS) to you both

belimom
12-15-2010, 11:27 AM
But why would they just leave the body of TS in the house knowing she would be found soon? You would htink they would have tried to dump her body some place (sorry it sounds harsh, but just thinking). I think maybe he/they did not mean to kill her but in a fit of rage at having to leave it turned to that. But you really never know how a pervert thinks when he has his mind set on a child. ...(snipped)...

I've wondered that, too.

- Was she beaten and left, dying later of the injuries?
- Was she tied up/gagged and then later suffocated?
- Did JE have someone else go finish the job after he/BS left?
- Was she beaten and they realized it went to far, panicked, decided to leave then came up with the plan to "steal" the other things to make it look like a robbery gone bad?

peeples
12-15-2010, 11:28 AM
Trying to figure out how to put this tactfully..

I believe when she changed her last name to easely the pretend marriage had probably already been consumated (he raped her). I think it got worse for her based on the history of the "friend" they were with or in contact with at least...

chasing.halos
12-15-2010, 11:30 AM
(((HUGS))) to my WS friends. <3
I also suffer from PTSD from an event that happened to me. It creeps up on me when I least expect it and it is awful. :(

Back on subject:

Do you all think that Brittany and the POS got married somehow??

belimom
12-15-2010, 11:30 AM
Trying to figure out how to put this tactfully..

I believe when she changed her last name to easely the pretend marriage had probably already been consumated (he raped her). I think it got worse for her based on the history of the "friend" they were with or in contact with at least...

OMG... I hope not TS, too...:( (<--- thinking out loud, no evidence of this)

peeples
12-15-2010, 11:32 AM
(((HUGS))) to my WS friends. <3
I also suffer from PTSD from an event that happened to me. It creeps up on me when I least expect it and it is awful. :(

Back on subject:

Do you all think that Brittany and the POS got married somehow??
Given her age.. i don't think so, but then again wasn't there talk of a fake ID.. maybe they used that ID and got married for real in vegas or something before they hit CA.

Pollywog
12-15-2010, 11:33 AM
The picture of the pervert laughing in court creeps me out. I did notice he has a female atty, so do you think he may have been trying to flirt with her somehow? He is just NOT really a good looking man, IMO. Have we heard from his family other than his mom before they were caught?

chasing.halos
12-15-2010, 11:35 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/dtiphotos/5108052.jpg

:furious:

chasing.halos
12-15-2010, 11:36 AM
Given her age.. i don't think so, but then again wasn't there talk of a fake ID.. maybe they used that ID and got married for real in vegas or something before they hit CA.

There was talk of a fake id, which is why I am wondering if that is why she had it. To get married? Ugh.


.

tfrohning
12-15-2010, 11:42 AM
Given her age.. i don't think so, but then again wasn't there talk of a fake ID.. maybe they used that ID and got married for real in vegas or something before they hit CA.

Wonder how she got that fake ID? do we have anything that said she have one a fact.

If she does it could be so they could get her a plane ticket. IDK

NativeGirl
12-15-2010, 11:44 AM
I know I'm from VA and got married 2 years ago.. I never had to show an ID just had to give my soc and dob.. so I doubt the ID was for that unless other states you have to show some type of ID???

tfrohning
12-15-2010, 11:44 AM
http://www.roanoke.com/dtiphotos/5108052.jpg

:furious:

What doe he think he got a reason to laugh:furious:nothing funny here:banghead:

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 11:47 AM
Wonder how she got that fake ID? do we have anything that said she have one a fact.

If she does it could be so they could get her a plane ticket. IDK

I'm still not buying the store clerk's statement during the interview. I'm not saying he's lying but I'm not convinced she has the fake i.d.

NativeGirl
12-15-2010, 11:48 AM
I'm still not buying the store clerk's statement during the interview. I'm not saying he's lying but I'm not convinced she has the fake i.d.

hey im thinking just like you.. I think the ID was a lie..

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 11:55 AM
They seem to relate the "disturbing things" to Brittany having "already" changed her name to Easley on FB... Of course, I'm just speculating and trying to read between the lines. Willing to be wrong - and hope I am.

Trying to figure out how to put this tactfully..

I believe when she changed her last name to easely the pretend marriage had probably already been consumated (he raped her). I think it got worse for her based on the history of the "friend" they were with or in contact with at least...


I never put much stock in the name change thing on FB or MS when it came out. I didn't think it's that important except to lead one to believe she really "loved" JSE. Let's assume..... BS did think she and JSE were an item/married (shuddering); the name change doesn't stand out as a big deal if in their minds they are married. She is a kid he is an adult (bad wrong...shuddering again) and they may have "done the deed" prior to the kidnapping. So what could be so "disturbing" after the abduction? Going back to drug theory. Male drug addicts share their females to offset cost of drugs. Female drug addicts use themselves as payment for drugs. This is common in this part of VA. Not saying that is what happened. The "disturbing" phrase can refer to physical/emotional abuse, actions such as stealing or robbing while on the run. So many things can fall into what the statement eludes to.

Mendara
12-15-2010, 11:58 AM
I think he is laughing because he thinks that Brittany went of her own free will and that he thinks he didn't force her into anything. He thinks he has nothing to worry about. I just hope that his defense attorneys don't try to destroy Tina or BS characters to a jury to make it look like everything was Brittany, including the murder.

This is just my opinion. But I feel like he used up BS and now will throw her under the bus.

MO

Mendara
12-15-2010, 12:01 PM
I never put much stock in the name change thing on FB or MS when it came out. I didn't think it's that important except to lead one to believe she really "loved" JSE. Let's assume..... BS did think she and JSE were an item/married (shuddering); the name change doesn't stand out as a big deal if in their minds they are married. She is a kid he is an adult (bad wrong...shuddering again) and they may have "done the deed" prior to the kidnapping. So what could be so "disturbing" after the abduction? Going back to drug theory. Male drug addicts share their females to offset cost of drugs. Female drug addicts use themselves as payment for drugs. This is common in this part of VA. Not saying that is what happened. The "disturbing" phrase can refer to physical/emotional abuse, actions such as stealing or robbing while on the run. So many things can fall into what the statement eludes to.

Name change is what little girls do when they have a crush - before computers we would write our names in a notebook and change our last name to the boys. Same thing here except on a computer for the world to see. It could just be the imaginings of a child.

MO

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 12:08 PM
Name change is what little girls do when they have a crush - before computers we would write our names in a notebook and change our last name to the boys. Same thing here except on a computer for the world to see. It could just be the imaginings of a child.

MO

That could be the case. It could also be that she saw him as a friend. I've seen statements where people said that they will use a friend's name instead of their own. Point is we don't know the reason and may never know it. I remember her posting on her brother's memorial page .... something to the effect that she and her brother were handcuff buddies. This is why I didn't put much stock into her reference to JSE as hcb. It's another kid thing that we could analyize forward and backward and never know to what context JSE fits into that phrase.

x_files
12-15-2010, 12:11 PM
I never put much stock in the name change thing on FB or MS when it came out. I didn't think it's that important except to lead one to believe she really "loved" JSE. Let's assume..... BS did think she and JSE were an item/married (shuddering); the name change doesn't stand out as a big deal if in their minds they are married. She is a kid he is an adult (bad wrong...shuddering again) and they may have "done the deed" prior to the kidnapping. So what could be so "disturbing" after the abduction? Going back to drug theory. Male drug addicts share their females to offset cost of drugs. Female drug addicts use themselves as payment for drugs. This is common in this part of VA. Not saying that is what happened. The "disturbing" phrase can refer to physical/emotional abuse, actions such as stealing or robbing while on the run. So many things can fall into what the statement eludes to.

The other disturbing thing could be he was pimping her out for drugs, money etc.... Or planned to sell her in sex ring/child porn.
I really hope we know the truth soon because w/o knowing I assume the worst (which is not good).
I suppose he could have married her in order to change her identify her name and age with a fake ID.
ugh. very disturbing.

Quester
12-15-2010, 12:22 PM
First post – hope I do this right.
Hi all! I’ve been an avid lurker on this evolving case. Thanks for all of your insights and a few here have already touched upon parts of the following.
[note: I’m using AMc for Adam McE to distinguish from AM for Apple Mkt]
Warning - Pure speculation alert (sorry in advance … lots of ASSUMPTIONS, IFs and MAYBEs!):
ASSUMING JE knew of AMc’s criminal reputation, WHAT IF JE set-up AMc to look like the perp of a home invasion/robbery/murder? MAYBE JE convinced AMc to help him move his possessions out of TS’ house on Fri eve - so that there would be some of AMc’s DNA in TS’ home. [I’m assuming TS already dead or incapacitated and hidden by time of Wal-Mart excursion.] And MAYBE the meeting at AM (a place JE knew well and knew about all the cameras) was to get AMc on camera and near the scene of the crime. And, MAYBE the agreed upon exchange for the SUV/electronics included some cash AND the purple car. And MAYBE later JE abandoned the purple car as a beacon to alert LE to AMc. [HOWEVER, the fact that AMc and JM hid the encounter with JE at AM from LE is perplexing if they were totally innocent. AMc APPEARS to be guilty of something (drug sale/use in the deal?) he was trying to hide. JM may or may not have been fully informed.]
If this set-up concept is correct, how is the second guy that LE is now mentioning involved?

duckingoff
12-15-2010, 12:27 PM
First post – hope I do this right.
Hi all! I’ve been an avid lurker on this evolving case. Thanks for all of your insights and a few here have already touched upon parts of the following.
[note: I’m using AMc for Adam McE to distinguish from AM for Apple Mkt]
Warning - Pure speculation alert (sorry in advance … lots of ASSUMPTIONS, IFs and MAYBEs!):
ASSUMING JE knew of AMc’s criminal reputation, WHAT IF JE set-up AMc to look like the perp of a home invasion/robbery/murder? MAYBE JE convinced AMc to help him move his possessions out of TS’ house on Fri eve - so that there would be some of AMc’s DNA in TS’ home. [I’m assuming TS already dead or incapacitated and hidden by time of Wal-Mart excursion.] And MAYBE the meeting at AM (a place JE knew well and knew about all the cameras) was to get AMc on camera and near the scene of the crime. And, MAYBE the agreed upon exchange for the SUV/electronics included some cash AND the purple car. And MAYBE later JE abandoned the purple car as a beacon to alert LE to AMc. [HOWEVER, the fact that AMc and JM hid the encounter with JE at AM from LE is perplexing if they were totally innocent. AMc APPEARS to be guilty of something (drug sale/use in the deal?) he was trying to hide. JM may or may not have been fully informed.]
If this set-up concept is correct, how is the second guy that LE is now mentioning involved?

Welcome, good first post and assumptions

chasing.halos
12-15-2010, 12:33 PM
:Welcome-12-june: Quester!! Great first post :)

belimom
12-15-2010, 12:38 PM
Welcome, Quester! And I think your scenario is very very possible...

Gizmorose
12-15-2010, 12:41 PM
I meant to leave the link to the video that I think is the only one that shows JE and the other guys leaving the pump and the SUV coming around the pumps at the end....

http://articles.wdbj7.com/2010-12-13/easley-and-smith_25190023

Apologies for quoting myself...zoomed on this video and can see BS after she got out of the red suv. She comes around the back of the car. The video jumps from or skips frames. Between the far left pump and the white pole you can see her as she comes around the back then behind the pump and to the left of the pump. The frames jump and when the two men are walking toward the store BS is not visable.

belimom
12-15-2010, 12:42 PM
...(snipped)...[HOWEVER, the fact that AMc and JM hid the encounter with JE at AM from LE is perplexing if they were totally innocent. AMc APPEARS to be guilty of something (drug sale/use in the deal?) he was trying to hide. JM may or may not have been fully informed.]
If this set-up concept is correct, how is the second guy that LE is now mentioning involved?

Now I do think that is possible... that AMc was doing something illegal in the camera or with the meeting of JE - but didn't know about the murder of TS.

I'm on the fence about AMc's possible involvement: seems mighty stupid to keep the red Blazer if you know it will be connected to the murder/abduction. HOWEVER, LE was quick to say that AMc may have assisted JE in the murder of TS after BS was found and questioned... Maybe there was a 2nd person but BS may not know who it was - who was actually in the house? AMc or this other person of interest that LE keeps mentioning?

Reannan
12-15-2010, 12:56 PM
Welcome Quester!! I believe there is a third person, who we do not yet have a name for that was driving the purple car when it pulled up at the gas pump. AMc comes out and joins JE from the passenger side of the purple car. When you watch them leaving, JE is speaking with someone at the purple car that gets back into the driver's side of that purple car. Plus, haven't we heard in media this morning that a third 'man' picked JE and BS up after they sold the red SUV??? This may or may not have been the same person that was driving the purple car at the Apple Market.

NativeGirl
12-15-2010, 01:03 PM
Tina Louise Dyer Smith
Born: November 9, 1969
Death: December 3, 2010
Place of Death: Her home
Occupation: Registered Nurse with Richfield Retirement Center
Organizations: Ash Avenue Baptist Church in South Boston, VA and a US Army Veteran
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Memorial Service
Monday December 18, , 11:00 AM at Ash Avenue Baptist Church
Click for Map and Directions

The Rev. John Eure will conduct the service.

Burial
Saturday December 18, 2010 at Halifax Memorial Gardens
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http://www.powellfunerals.com/sitemaker/sites/Powell1/obit.cgi?user=287867Smith

Quester
12-15-2010, 01:08 PM
...(snipped)...Now I do think that is possible... that AMc was doing something illegal in the camera or with the meeting of JE - but didn't know about the murder of TS.

I'm on the fence about AMc's possible involvement: seems mighty stupid to keep the red Blazer if you know it will be connected to the murder/abduction. HOWEVER, LE was quick to say that AMc may have assisted JE in the murder of TS after BS was found and questioned... Maybe there was a 2nd person but BS may not know who it was - who was actually in the house? AMc or this other person of interest that LE keeps mentioning?

BBM
I agree, I don't think AMc knew about or was informed of her murder until LE recovered the SUV.

Maybe LE is publicly stating AMc's possible assistance in TS' murder to put pressure on AMc for his cooperation on this case and on others??? IIRC, in the search warrant it was stated that LE had had multiple interactions with AMc in the previous few months - what other criminal behavior had he been up to?

Quester
12-15-2010, 01:20 PM
Welcome Quester!! I believe there is a third person, who we do not yet have a name for that was driving the purple car when it pulled up at the gas pump. AMc comes out and joins JE from the passenger side of the purple car. When you watch them leaving, JE is speaking with someone at the purple car that gets back into the driver's side of that purple car. Plus, haven't we heard in media this morning that a third 'man' picked JE and BS up after they sold the red SUV??? This may or may not have been the same person that was driving the purple car at the Apple Market.

BBM:

Your referenced "third person" = my referenced "second guy".

Wasn't it JM who was driving the purple car when at AM?

Yes - that third person (second guy) is who we're waiting to hear more about his involvement.

Reannan
12-15-2010, 01:24 PM
BBM
I agree, I don't think AMc knew about or was informed of her murder until LE recovered the SUV.

Maybe LE is publicly stating AMc's possible assistance in TS' murder to put pressure on AMc for his cooperation on this case and on others??? IIRC, in the search warrant it was stated that LE had had multiple interactions with AMc in the previous few months - what other criminal behavior had he been up to?

Go to this link and select 'Roanoke City Circuit' from the drop-down menu, click "Begin" then search for the last name "McElvy".

http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.html

NativeGirl
12-15-2010, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ay6FkGfCQ&feature=related
if you go to the link above a post is made by someone named bbygirl20100 and it was 10 months ago saying she loved tyler and that she misses him and that the photo of him and brittany should not be on there.. that brittany broke his heart and put him through hell?? Wow I wonder what went on for little sister to make your life like hell and for the person saying she should not be in the photos with him?

nevermind i think he had a girlfriend once named brittany also??

Reannan
12-15-2010, 01:28 PM
Here is a picture that I have tried to label from the end of the video at this link. In the first one, JE is speaking with two people from the purple car. They purple car people are both behind the pumps and you can't see them (-00:40). The next picture is right after JE walks away. First you see the driver of the car appear from behind the gas pump, and then he/she gets into the car (-00:35) - then also from behind the pump, AMc walks around the back of the car to go get in the passenger seat. (-00:33).

http://articles.wdbj7.com/2010-12-13/easley-and-smith_25190023

belimom
12-15-2010, 01:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ay6FkGfCQ&feature=related
if you go to the link above a post is made by someone named bbygirl20100 and it was 10 months ago saying she loved tyler and that she misses him and that the photo of him and brittany should not be on there.. that brittany broke his heart and put him through hell?? Wow I wonder what went on for little sister to make your life like hell and for the person saying she should not be in the photos with him?

nevermind i think he had a girlfriend once named brittany also??

I read some of the MS/FB comments/streams, and I think that there is another Brittany they are talking about. Seems like there is a Brittany with another last name - I can't recall, though - I read sooo much of that stuff...

Pollywog
12-15-2010, 01:32 PM
I know I'm from VA and got married 2 years ago.. I never had to show an ID just had to give my soc and dob.. so I doubt the ID was for that unless other states you have to show some type of ID???

You have to show a picture ID in Florida, or we did in 2004 and proof of divorce if recently divorced.

Cinderella.
12-15-2010, 01:41 PM
This is PURE speculation... But what if JE had been been doing drugs with BS? This would explane her feeling like crap on Friday (withdrawls after her mom made him leave Thursday... No more drugs.) Plus JE's nervousness in the AM, I believe there was 50 minutes or so in between WM & the AM... Plenty of time to meet up with AMc, get some drugs and do some. I believe I read from a local (correct me if I'm wrong!!) that AMc is involved with drug people in the area, he could have given drugs to JE for partal payment of the SUV (Could be why they didn't have a lot of money once they got to SF) Say $1,000 worth of dope and $500 cash. Also would go along with what LE is saying about horrible things happening to BS... Getting a 12 year old addicted to drugs is VERY horrible. I personally have never experienced withdrawls, but I could only imagine...

All, MOO & speculation of course!

NativeGirl
12-15-2010, 01:42 PM
You have to show a picture ID in Florida, or we did in 2004 and proof of divorce if recently divorced.

Wow I have been married twice in VA and they never took an ID from me or the groom.. once when I was 16 year old. my parent was with me all I needed was my soc sec..really nothing else... maybe it was my small town??

catydid
12-15-2010, 01:43 PM
But why would they just leave the body of TS in the house knowing she would be found soon? You would htink they would have tried to dump her body some place (sorry it sounds harsh, but just thinking). I think maybe he/they did not mean to kill her but in a fit of rage at having to leave it turned to that. But you really never know how a pervert thinks when he has his mind set on a child.

BS will suffer from PTSD for years I am sure especially if she was sexually assaulted. I did and still do at times.

This is all pure speculation on my part:

I kind of have the feeling that TS wasn't dead when they left. I think that he probably beat her up really bad and possibly locked her in a room or tied her up or something, let AM take what he wanted, and then they left. If it happened that way, I think AM knew what happened but I don't think TS ever saw AM so there was no way he could get caught and could act like he just bought the Blazer from JE.

I really don't know what to think about where BS was when this was happening. I honestly can't see a girl who seemed to love her mom just stand back and let someone kill her mom, unless she was being threatened too. I can see him picking her up somewhere after all of this went down and saying something like, "I tried to smooth things over with your mom but she said she's sending you to live with your dad" and then convinced her to go with him instead. He probably said to TS something like, "good luck trying to find us because by the time someone finds you here, we'll be long gone." I think TS later died of injuries sustained from being beat up.

peeples
12-15-2010, 01:48 PM
In Iowa for marriage, you have to show a birth certificate and ID, and also if you were previously married at any time, you have to either show a divorce decree or death certificate for the other spouse.

catydid
12-15-2010, 01:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ay6FkGfCQ&feature=related
if you go to the link above a post is made by someone named bbygirl20100 and it was 10 months ago saying she loved tyler and that she misses him and that the photo of him and brittany should not be on there.. that brittany broke his heart and put him through hell?? Wow I wonder what went on for little sister to make your life like hell and for the person saying she should not be in the photos with him?

nevermind i think he had a girlfriend once named brittany also??

From what I could tell, it sounds like WTM had an ex named Brittanie.

Quester
12-15-2010, 02:01 PM
Go to this link and select 'Roanoke City Circuit' from the drop-down menu, click "Begin" then search for the last name "McElvy".

http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.html

At that link, I could only find those cases that were earlier referenced in this or previous thread that date back to the end of 2002. Those were horrifying I might add.

In my post to which you responded, I was interested in AMc's recent criminal behavior that would have caused, IIRC, the numerous interactions with LE in the last couple of months as referenced in the search warrant. And therefore, a possible reason to pressure AMc into cooperating with LE.

raysgirl1126
12-15-2010, 02:22 PM
I got married in VA almost 3 years ago, no ID needed, just SS cards or maybe it was our births cert? But not an ID my hubby had lost his at the time, so I called ahead before we went to get our marriage linecse.

Quester
12-15-2010, 02:38 PM
Has anyone found/read answers to any of the following questions?:

1. Which cars did TS’ neighbors report seeing at her house on Fri eve?
2. Where was AMc’s purple car abandoned? [sam24 mentioned it being found in an empty parking lot – address?]
3. Where in the house was TS’ body found? COD?
4. On 12/3, an attempt was made to withdrawal money from "a Salem bank" at appox time JE/BS left Walmart (9:35pm). Which bank? (and address?) Was that the JE ATM mug shot we saw?
5. What amount of cash/goods/drugs/actions were exchanged for the SUV/electronics?
6. How long have JE and AMc known each other? How did they meet?
7. What’s the drive time from AMc’s home (Garden City Blvd) to AM at about 9pm on a Friday?
8. JE’s history. How long in Roanoke/Salem area? Previous address?

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 03:05 PM
I think the Iphone access was just to the myspace pages? Are Iphone users able to see the private FB pages?

You may be right, maybe someone that had access can chime in to clarify.

lynnb
12-15-2010, 03:10 PM
Can someone with an IPHONE please check Brittany's myspace and see if she has logged in since she arrived home?

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 03:13 PM
I thought it was Adam that posted that on his FB or MS ???



Dec. 4: Easley on MySpace: "Got a lot on my mind."

http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/brittanysmith

Strawberry Fields
12-15-2010, 03:23 PM
Has anyone found/read answers to any of the following questions?:

1. Which cars did TS’ neighbors report seeing at her house on Fri eve?
2. Where was AMc’s purple car abandoned? [sam24 mentioned it being found in an empty parking lot – address?]
3. Where in the house was TS’ body found? COD?
4. On 12/3, an attempt was made to withdrawal money from "a Salem bank" at appox time JE/BS left Walmart (9:35pm). Which bank? (and address?) Was that the JE ATM mug shot we saw?
5. What amount of cash/goods/drugs/actions were exchanged for the SUV/electronics?
6. How long have JE and AMc known each other? How did they meet?
7. What’s the drive time from AMc’s home (Garden City Blvd) to AM at about 9pm on a Friday?
8. JE’s history. How long in Roanoke/Salem area? Previous address?

The only one I can take a stab at answering is No. 7, drive time.

You could go on the interstate and probably do in around 25 minutes if traffic is not bad. Or if you went through town it could take up to 35-40 minutes Loads of stoplights and turns and sooooo many different routes that could be taken. This is all considered if I was the driver because people think I don't drive fast enough!!

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 03:29 PM
They seem to relate the "disturbing things" to Brittany having "already" changed her name to Easley on FB... Of course, I'm just speculating and trying to read between the lines. Willing to be wrong - and hope I am.

Are you thinking the fake ID came into play with your speculation? TIA

raysgirl1126
12-15-2010, 03:31 PM
Can someone with an IPHONE please check Brittany's myspace and see if she has logged in since she arrived home?

I'm on her MS page now and showing her last post 2:17am Dec 2

Lysistrata
12-15-2010, 03:31 PM
Just some random thoughts...

Reading through all of TS's MS pages, it doesn't seem to me that she was very happy with JE for very long at all...just a few (comparatively) loving comments re: JE. At best, things seem very tumultuous from the start. There's also an odd entry on Oct. 5, something to the effect that 'my kid sold me out! but why not? she gets the best of both worlds'. Then a frowning emoticon. Mood isn't so good either. This man must have been a master manipulator if he stayed even 2 wks, let alone 2 months.

Fake ID's are very easy to obtain. They're all over the web. The very good ones are so close to the real thing, it's scary. Of course, the better they are, the more they cost but, even so, a kid with a parent's credit card could get one easily. Some of them have the billing caveat, "Your credit card bill will show ___ as the vendor" and the ___ has nothing to do with fake ID's. In cities with some size, there's usually someone who makes and sells them out of his/her house. Fees vary. Sometimes a cute girl gets one through, uh...well, barter (so to speak). Areas with substantial illegal communities almost always have them available.

LOTS of kids here have them and they know which clerk knows which kid in which convenience stores so that they don't get caught. Sometimes I get carded buying cigarettes and I'm in my late 50's. A clerk gets popped selling to someone underage and for the next few weeks, everyone gets carded for everything. The kids also use them to get into R-rated movies (kids are supposed to be accompanied by a parent or guardian to see R movies). Some theaters actually check ages for R-movies.

My very first reaction to hearing (from a friend in VA) that this had happened was that they were not headed to NC or FL...that they were headed for Las Vegas...cheap but nice hotels and tons of people 24/7. You do need one ID to get married in LV. I so hope that JE and BS did not get married. OMG. Of course, it wouldn't be legal but still...

I have a paid subscription to Publicdata,com. I can't post links to AMc's offenses listed there...they would require sign in to view. It's not up-to-date and doesn't include lots of things but it still comes in handy now and then. It doesn't include the charges AMc has listed on the Va Courts page but it does include some later charges, none of which is serious except the 'felony elude' charge that was nol prossed. The charges on PD include such things as fishing without a license, dog running at large, dog with no rabies shots, suspended driver's license, etc. It would be interesting to know just what charges the LE was referring to in order to get the search warrant. JE has a charge of 'threatening phone call' in NC, apparently to a wife or ex-wife.

If I had seen my mother killed, I would be hysterical and I mean crazy hysterical. The amount of drugs it would take to calm me down probably would have been the same amount it would take to knock me out. I'm beginning to believe that JE (or whomever) either didn't actually kill TS on the spot (she died due to the injuries sometime later) or he had BS convinced that her mom was only injured and would be OK eventually...after they'd skipped town. BS might have been somewhat drugged in the video clips...tranquilized to keep her calm following her mother's beating.

Withdrawal from meth, even after just a single dose, is followed by exhaustion, depression and lethargy. The longer you stay tweaked out, the more extreme the let-down. If JE stayed tweaked during the drive and even a bit tweaked after they got to SF, his come-down in jail could have easily warranted a stay in the psych unit.

There's a chick named F on FB who, along w/ her husband, is a FB friend w/ AMc. She's thoroughly p*ssed with him on Dec. 4 for choosing to do something with his friends the night before, apparently something sort of spur-of-the-moment.

Sorry for rambling...this whole thing just troubles me (as it does you all too).

SmoothOperator
12-15-2010, 03:36 PM
MHO... I think TS was killed sometime in the later afternoon or early evening (since wasn't there a FB post by her around 1:30). I do believe she was deceased by the time the trip to WM took place.

Kind of some controlled frantic activity - WM trip, ATM, Apple Market, loading up items from the house, packing for the cross country trip. All of these things took time. We know at what times some of these things took place - but the removal of the items from the house to the SUV - sounds like this was done either before the WM trip or sometime after that but before the Apple Market stop. Same with the packing of personal items for the get away. And then again, we don't actually know when JSE and BS left the area. They may not have left town until sometime later.

I would expect that the RCPD could narrow down the time if there was a parking ticket issued when they parked the neon in the parking lot at (near) the SF Airport. Usually those tickets are day and time dated. So would believe that this could help narrow down the time to when they left Salem.

I don't know why, but I don't believe that AM knew outright about the murder of TS. I'm thinking that maybe JSE was hoping that his actions would set up AM to be complicit in the actions of that day and that JSE could deflect some (if not all) of the murder onto AM.

All JSE had to tell AM was that he and "his girl" were having money problems...and with the holidays coming and all they needed money for presents/bills, etc. I would think it possible that at some point (earlier) that AM expressed and interest in JSE's vehicle.

Like the others, if AM was involved with TS's murder (or even had any inkling about it), he would have been dumber than a box of rocks to 1) leave his vehicle somewhere; 2) to have JSE's SUV at his home; 3) to have been driving around in that SUV. I just don't believe that AM had any reason to not believe this was a legitimate transaction.

Yeah...AM has a bad past, but that doesn't mean he knowingly helped in any direct way with TS's murder, nor does it mean he was ever in TS's home.

What I don't understand though...is if JM was in the vehicle with AM when they went to make this transaction, then why didn't one of them drive the vehicle they came in back to their home? Why was this "purple car" left behind? Wasn't it stated that both the purple car and the SUV were filled up with gas? I think that is what is perplexing me - fill up the purple car and leave it? Something about that doesn't make sense to me.

Unless JSE and AM were supposedly trading vehicles and then for some reason decided not to use the "purple car" - maybe because of the color?

I'm rambling...I'll quit...


Hi MBLoverhttp://bestsmileys.com/waving/3.gif... I think you're more than likely correct in that the original plan was to take the "purple" car of AMs on the high-tailing it outta town trip.. therefor the reason BOTH vehicles were gassed up at AppleMarket.. I think that was part of the deal JE's SUV traded for the purple car, plus AM buying alot of the "items" from TS home.. I believe thats also why there seems to be a discrepancy as far as JE already being outta money by the 10th when he was arrested{because he didn't neccessarily get the large amount of money that most assume was gotten from AM for the purchase of the SUV}.. Because the purple car was also part of the payment to JE..

I believe that was the original plan was to take the purple car as the "get-away car" but upon rethinking the situation that just as u stated most likely JE realized this would be an easily spotted vehicle therefor not so wise to use as the get-away car when you're attempting to hide while on the run..

I too believe that TS was killed late afternoon or evening of the 3rd.. most likely BEFORE the Wal-Mart trip{i.e. they already had TS credit card in their possession along with approx.40mins AFTER the Wal-Mart vid you have JE&BS on vid at Apple Market where they made the vehicle exchange and more than likely when they sold the "stolen items" of TS to AM as well}..this leads me to believe that with such a small window of time btwn W-mart and A-Market that I'd find it unlikely that TS was murdered during that very small amt of time..So, IMO she was murdered BEFORE the W-Mart trip{which I also agree that most likely AM was NOT involved, nor evven had knowledge of TS murder}..and thats for the obvious reasons you stated as well..{i.e. keeping and driving the SUv and keeping the stolen goods from a murdered woman's home}...Nope, I don't believe AM or JM had ANY KNOWLEDGE OF TS MURDER..

So, I believe that after they made the deal with AM at A-Market and got rid of the SUV{and Stolen goods}that it was at this point that JE rethought his plan of taking purple car..thus it was left behind and TS silver Dodge Neon was taken instead{for obvious reason of it "blending in better"} as well as IMO I see that Neon probably being in better condition than the purple car..So, the Neon would be much more reliable for this really long cross country road trip{cuz think about it the last thing JE would want was this "purple" car breaking down on the side of a highway somewhere btwn Salem, Virginia and SF, California}..

hollyblue
12-15-2010, 03:38 PM
Given her age.. i don't think so, but then again wasn't there talk of a fake ID.. maybe they used that ID and got married for real in vegas or something before they hit CA.

Marriage Laws for Age.

http://www.coolnurse.com/marriage_laws.htm

lynnb
12-15-2010, 03:48 PM
I'm on her MS page now and showing her last post 2:17am Dec 2

Good. The last place she needs to be right now is online. I hope her father realizes that and keeps her far away from a computer for awhile. But she is a young teenager and we all know she will be back on the internet world in just a matter of time.