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Cubby
12-29-2010, 12:53 AM
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Jonathan Foster, age 12, was last seen in the area of N. Shepherd & 43rd on December 24, 2010 @ about 1:45 p.m. Jonathan has a very visible overbite. He was last known to be wearing a tan colored t-shirt with musical notes and a guitar printed on it. He was also wearing blue jeans and black & white tennis shoes with a red stripe. Jonathan has strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes. He is 4'7" tall and weighs about 85 pounds.

If you have seen Jonathan, have information or know of his whereabouts, please contact the Houston Police Department @ (713) 731-5223 or Texas EquuSearch @ (281) 309-9500.


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krista
12-29-2010, 12:56 AM
"The body was so burned that the person who found it thought it was charred debris.

The Harris County Institute of Forensic Science could not tell the gender of the body Tuesday. Only DNA evidence can help them determine the gender and identity of the child.

A surveillance camera from a business overlooking the ditch where the body was found could bring clues as well, officials said."

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story
__________________________________________________ ______
A. I'm thoroughly disgusted and angry.
B. How long would it take to burn a body to the point that it would appear to be charred debris?
C. I'm praying this surveillance camera gives us a suspect....and a conviction.

sunflowerchick
12-29-2010, 12:57 AM
Hi Everyone! I just found this story today, and I am a bit behind. Can someone please summarize what we know or what is going on real quick? I am confused. :waitasec:

sarx
12-29-2010, 12:58 AM
It appears that the body was found in some sort of run off ditch, is this correct? Is it possible (for those familiar with the area) that the body was deposited somewhere else and washed down to that location? IIRC there have been rains in recent days, correct?

KR2tonenow
12-29-2010, 12:58 AM
Last known witness to see Jonathan (other than AD and SD) was 1-2 days prior to reported phone calls and abduction, according to a neighbor where AD lived.

mydailyopinions
12-29-2010, 12:59 AM
"The body was so burned that the person who found it thought it was charred debris.

The Harris County Institute of Forensic Science could not tell the gender of the body Tuesday. Only DNA evidence can help them determine the gender and identity of the child.

A surveillance camera from a business overlooking the ditch where the body was found could bring clues as well, officials said."

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story

Surveillance camera :) Thank you Jesus!

Lera213
12-29-2010, 12:59 AM
Hi Everyone! I just found this story today, and I am a bit behind. Can someone please summarize what we know or what is going on real quick? I am confused. :waitasec:

I think we are all confused because statements were made that were false so even if reported some (ME) are still not sure what end is up except for JF is still missing.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:00 AM
Source: http://apps.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356228.html

Snipped: "...Officials said they don't know if the body is male or female or an adult. ...Rios said the person was wearing a blue flannel shirt and seemed to have reddish blond hair." as of Dec. 28, 2010, 10:13PM .

Beyond Belief
12-29-2010, 01:00 AM
Need to clarify: Body found: Was it stated this was along a TOLL ROAD?
Do the ticket booths on that road have video?

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:01 AM
Jonathan has redish blonde hair, descrption says red, but looks blonde in photos

belimom
12-29-2010, 01:01 AM
"The body was so burned that the person who found it thought it was charred debris...(snipped)...

Then accurately measuring the length of the remains would be even more difficult (ie, 36 inches).

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 01:01 AM
It appears that the body was found in some sort of run off ditch, is this correct? Is it possible (for those familiar with the area) that the body was deposited somewhere else and washed down to that location? IIRC there have been rains in recent days, correct?

I would think this is highly unlikely. Those ditches are not that deep, and I don't recall much news about flooding.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 01:02 AM
Great thread to get caught up on the latest info.

TX TX - Jonathan Foster 12, missing! Media Links - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

krista
12-29-2010, 01:02 AM
Video reporter calls both parents 'Persons of Interest'
http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:03 AM
Source: http://apps.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356228.html

Snipped: "...Officials said they don't know if the body is male or female or an adult. ...Rios said the person was wearing a blue flannel shirt and seemed to have reddish blond hair." as of Dec. 28, 2010, 10:13PM .

Last night in the thread a local noted in their post that the body was indeed a female.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:03 AM
water run off questions..
Here is 1 pic from yahoo
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Top-Stories-Photos-Police-investigate-scene-burned-body-found-ditch-along-1500-block/ss/705/im:/101229/480/urn_publicid_ap_org14d246ededf64d03beea5d2c57e5105 a/

burned body was found in a ditch along the 1500 block of Schilder near the intersection of the 9900 block of East Hardy Street

2nd pic of the location pic 1 on the left side of the screen kinda up a little bit
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

Not a deep ditch and doesn't look like it's been wet recently either...

I'm actually surprised they call it a ditch
around here ditches are weed filled fall offs about 3 feet down off the edge of the road

Ms Suzanne
12-29-2010, 01:04 AM
I wonder if the lady with the raspy voice on the phone could have come over to the moms house with the SD?Just thinking out loud.Sorry.

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 01:04 AM
Then accurately measuring the length of the remains would be even more difficult (ie, 36 inches).

the investigator may have measured the femur to deduce the approximate height of the child to be about 3 feet tall.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:06 AM
It appears that the body was found in some sort of run off ditch, is this correct? Is it possible (for those familiar with the area) that the body was deposited somewhere else and washed down to that location? IIRC there have been rains in recent days, correct?

Not likely with the type of ditch that it is, and the types of rain that we had here. We had rain, but no floods, mostly wind. The area where the body was found is all semi-industrial buildings, the type of place that would be completely empty at all but business hours. Because Christmas was on a weekend, it's possible (though I have heard no mention of it yet) that the body was there on the weekend, no one worked on Monday for Christmas break, and they only found the body today because people were going back to work. Many of the businesses like these around here take a weekday off on Monday if a holiday falls on a weekend. Likely the person who dumped the body thought that the cameras wouldn't "see" that far. Let's hope they were wrong!!

Someone was mentioning something about finding woods, but if you had a recently burned body in your car, I'd suspect that no matter what you "planned" you'd change your mind when you realize that the smell that had to be coming from the body was going to stay in your car.

In that area, I suspect he or she would have to drive a good bit to find any woods where you could be as unnoticed going into them as you would be in that sort of semi-industrial area.

When I saw the area where the unidentified body was found, I was not surprised. I live in a similar area and after 7 at night, it's like being in the middle of the country - there's no one out here. People dump LESS horrible things here all the time for that very reason. That area looks even less populated. All in all it's just horrible. A ditch, for heaven's sakes - as if it weren't bad enough to kill, burn, and discard someone??

krista
12-29-2010, 01:06 AM
Video reporter calls both parents 'Persons of Interest'
http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story

Sorry to quote myself, but to CLARIFY:

Reporter LATER says that "Anyone close to Jonathan is considered a POI. The babysitter, the parents, etc".

I guess that means that LE doesn't believe that this was someone unfamiliar with Jonathan.....like DD's 'pedophile theory'.

Hart
12-29-2010, 01:06 AM
Why on earth would some "passerby" notice or ever feel the need to report what looked to be charred debri? That doesn't make any sense. Must have either been A: something else suspect about what they saw or B: the tip was from someone who knew exactly what that was.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 01:06 AM
If the mom does know more then the first crack is admitting to no babysitter. They are still at the station so maybe they are working hard to crack them both. I have visions of the TV show 48 Hrs on my mind of the interview process.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 01:07 AM
Last night in the thread a local noted in their post that the body was indeed a female.

Wasn't that a comment posted at a news website?

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 01:07 AM
I'm confused...did the remains that were burned have a blue flannel shirt? Was that what Jonathan was said to be wearing?

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 01:07 AM
About the burnt body, I have always heard that burning flesh smells really bad. If that body was burnt so bad that you can not tell the sex, where was it burned? My DH is a Kiln Fireman so I started thinking....

http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Kilns/S-TX/T-Houston/

just a thought.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:08 AM
Last night in the thread a local noted in their post that the body was indeed a female.

I thought I had seen that, too, but only could find the one article. At first, when I saw it, I started - because of the mention of reddish blonde hair, and the young boy still missing - and the seeming discrepancy between 3' height and 4'7"....

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 01:08 AM
Okay,on thread #1, pages 25/26, Lovingmom, who indicated she was a neighbor of grandma, said she saw Jonathan walking down the street "a few days before Christmas."
A few is more than one, but less than a lot. So 2, 3, 4 days?
That means he was last seen on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

If Lovingmom is still reading, can you clarify what day you saw him? That would help with the timeline.

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
Last night in the thread a local noted in their post that the body was indeed a female.

the body in buffalo bayou was found this morning about 9:30 ct.

Princess of Oz
12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
This link says that LE can't even tell of the burned remains of the child is male or female at the point.

http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/12/28/missing-boy-jonathan-foster-found-in-houston/

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
Sarx asked for a map of the 3 locations, Jonathan's Apartment, Burned Body Recovery Location and Pond Body Recovery Location.

I do not have an address for the Pond Location, if someone has it, I can add it to this map:

http://classic.mapquest.com/mq/10-7JiIry5I8glnmcH9

Patty G
12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
I'm confused...did the remains that were burned have a blue flannel shirt? Was that what Jonathan was said to be wearing?

The body wearing the blue flannel shirt was found in the water (Buffalo Bayou). Jonathan was wearing a tan shirt with a guitar on it, IIRC.

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
About the burnt body, I have always heard that burning flesh smells really bad. If that body was burnt so bad that you can not tell the sex, where was it burned? My DH is a Kiln Fireman so I started thinking....

http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Kilns/S-TX/T-Houston/

just a thought.

There could also be individual potters with kilns.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 01:10 AM
Need to clarify: Body found: Was it stated this was along a TOLL ROAD?
Do the ticket booths on that road have video?

You do receive a picture (along with a ticket) of the back of your vehicle showing the license plate if you run through a toll stop. Not sure if it videos everything though, I don't know how that works.

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 01:10 AM
I'm confused...did the remains that were burned have a blue flannel shirt? Was that what Jonathan was said to be wearing?

the burned child had no clothes on.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:11 AM
I'm confused...did the remains that were burned have a blue flannel shirt? Was that what Jonathan was said to be wearing?

Sorry - it was, as the subject says, the bayou body. I read an article that stated that there was either no clothing on the burned body, or that the clothing had burned off.

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:11 AM
Whose duplex was it that they were gathering evidence at? Why was HOMICIDE investigating so quickly? They must have gotten some evidence there that pointed to homicide. Still wondering about the shoe thing? Someone may have grabbed shoes of his to make it look like he left but grabbed shoes he doesn't wear anymore or even 2 shoes that didn't match... just pondering again... of course we won't know the details for a while anyway.

noZme
12-29-2010, 01:11 AM
Brattigirle, I don't know what a kiln fireman is, will you explain?

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:11 AM
I'm confused...did the remains that were burned have a blue flannel shirt? Was that what Jonathan was said to be wearing?


Jonathans descript. is
The child has short red hair and an overbite. He was last seen wearing a tan shirt, blue jeans, a gray hoodie and white sneakers with a red stripe. He stands 5 feet tall and weighs about 100 pounds.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:12 AM
The body wearing the blue flannel shirt was found in the water (Buffalo Bayou). Jonathan was wearing a tan shirt with a guitar on it, IIRC.

and music notes as well i saw later

Kimster
12-29-2010, 01:13 AM
Okay,on thread #1, pages 25/26, Lovingmom, who indicated she was a neighbor of grandma, said she saw Jonathan walking down the street "a few days before Christmas."
A few is more than one, but less than a lot. So 2, 3, 4 days?
That means he was last seen on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

If Lovingmom is still reading, can you clarify what day you saw him? That would help with the timeline.

The only verified poster we have for this case is Reneeloveyou at this time.

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 01:14 AM
Sarx asked for a map of the 3 locations, Jonathan's Apartment, Burned Body Recovery Location and Pond Body Recovery Location.

I do not have an address for the Pond Location, if someone has it, I can add it to this map:

http://classic.mapquest.com/mq/10-7JiIry5I8glnmcH9

body from buffalo bayou was found by a couple walking their dog in tony marron park. address for the park is 808 North York
Houston, TX

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:15 AM
Why on earth would some "passerby" notice or ever feel the need to report what looked to be charred debri? That doesn't make any sense. Must have either been A: something else suspect about what they saw or B: the tip was from someone who knew exactly what that was.

That area from the photos looks extremelly clean and mowed down. Anything out of the ordinary would definately be noticed.

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 01:18 AM
The only verified poster we have for this case is Reneeloveyou at this time.

So am I correct that even if lovingmom says she saw him, we can't use that as a fact in the timeline?

I saw something in a MSM article about when he went to grandma's. I'll try to find that.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 01:18 AM
It appears that the body was found in some sort of run off ditch, is this correct? Is it possible (for those familiar with the area) that the body was deposited somewhere else and washed down to that location? IIRC there have been rains in recent days, correct?

Sarx...sorry, I've seen your posts / request for maps and although I'm local, I couldn't possibly map it for you...I guess you could say I'm "map illiterate" :crazy:

But...to my knowledge, according to where the body was located (per article link below) there aren't any bodies of water that run from Oak to Hardy and/or in or around the vicinity where the body was found.

If you map the apts (816 Oak Street, Houston, TX) to the location the body was found 9818 East Hardy Road, Houston, TX 77093 (Outside Rolled Alloys offices), that might help you more than my convoluted posts...sorry, but that's about the best I can do when it comes to mapping!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

Beyond Belief
12-29-2010, 01:18 AM
Clarification needed: Using gasoline to burn a body, how long would the burn have to take place?
Using a blow torch, how quickly and how much damage would take place?

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 01:19 AM
Perhaps a local can shed a bit more light on the Hardy Rd. Toll System. The burned body was found adjacent to this highway.

From what I can see here, Hardy Tolls Highway does indeed require payment, here are the toll locations:

Hardy Toll Maps:



https://www.hctra.org/files/Front_SW_Quadrant.pdf


https://www.hctra.org/tollroads_map/


Hardy Toll Rates/Locations:


https://www.hctra.org/tollroads_rates/hardy-toll-road-southbound/

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 01:20 AM
Thanks I thought I saw a post that had blue flannel shirt and reddish blond hair in it...did both bodies have reddish blond hair? Am I going crazy...

sarx
12-29-2010, 01:21 AM
Has it been mentioned already where Mom and Step Dad worked?

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:21 AM
Ok and that is a different address than is being reported elsewhere which is
the 1500 block of Schilder near the intersection of the 9900 block of East Hardy Street

mwatson11
12-29-2010, 01:22 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7868001

Burned body believed to be Jonathan

Kimster
12-29-2010, 01:22 AM
So and I correct that even if lovingmom says she saw him, we can't use that as a fact in the timeline?

I saw something in a MSM article about when he went to grandma's. I'll try to find that.

Correct. :thumb:

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 01:22 AM
Sarx asked for a map of the 3 locations, Jonathan's Apartment, Burned Body Recovery Location and Pond Body Recovery Location.

I do not have an address for the Pond Location, if someone has it, I can add it to this map:

http://classic.mapquest.com/mq/10-7JiIry5I8glnmcH9

It's impossible to map the bayou itself, but thread 1 has the address where the body was found, it's in post #502

sarx
12-29-2010, 01:23 AM
Thanks I thought I saw a post that had blue flannel shirt and reddish blond hair in it...did both bodies have reddish blond hair? Am I going crazy...

I would venture to guess that there was no hair on the burnt body, but JF was reported to have reddish blond hair (though it looks blond to me in the pix). The body found in the water was reported to have reddish-blond hair. HTH

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:23 AM
Has it been mentioned already where Mom and Step Dad worked?

Nope someone said dad MAY have worked at a lownmower place based on a ti shirt he was wearing, but that is all i've seen

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 01:24 AM
Thanks I thought I saw a post that had blue flannel shirt and reddish blond hair in it...did both bodies have reddish blond hair? Am I going crazy...

the body in the bayou had reddish blonde hair and was wearing a blue flannel shirt. officials don't know if the body is a child or an adult nor do they know the gender.

the burned child's hair color was not mentioned that i saw. it was stated the child had no clothes on.

SewingDeb
12-29-2010, 01:25 AM
Source: Body believed to be that of missing boy

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:26 AM
So... Is SD the babysitter?

trigger
12-29-2010, 01:26 AM
Last night in the thread a local noted in their post that the body was indeed a female.

LE's news release. I wish they would update this site. I check often and will post if there is any news on identity of bodies that are found.


http://www.houstontx.gov/police/nr/2010/dec/nr122810-3.htm


On the left is jail inquiry.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 01:27 AM
Need to clarify: Body found: Was it stated this was along a TOLL ROAD?
Do the ticket booths on that road have video?

Yes...it was along the toll road and there are cameras at the booths on Hardy. But, if the transport occurred without getting on Hardy, then I'm not sure anything would be available on the toll cameras. However, there are several businesses in the area which the body was found, and I would be SHOCKED if any of them didn't have cameras surrounding this entire building / strip.

Again, Hardy could be avoided, even to get to the place where the body was found, if traveling down Crosstimbers or Tidwell...pass over Hardy and come back around to get to the business location...this might not make sense, sorry...but I'm not the directional diva...LOL

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 01:27 AM
body from buffalo bayou was found by a couple walking their dog in tony marron park. address for the park is 808 North York
Houston, TX

Thank-you.

Pond Body Recovery Location Added to Map:

http://classic.mapquest.com/mq/10-7JiIry5I8glnmcH9#mqPgSt2

Lera213
12-29-2010, 01:28 AM
I hope my map is correct of all the known locations

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=800+Oak+Street,+Houston,+TX&daddr=West+43rd+Street+and+shepherd,+Houston,+TX+t o:900+hardy,+Houston,+TX+to:Buffalo+Bayou,+Houston ,+TX+to:29.80776,-95.41814+to:1500+Schilder,+Houston,+TX&geocode=FaFBxwEd5h1Q-imhnJ3LlcdAhjG5Y1ih6OPbkA%3BFcwgxwEd-iVQ-ikziluTmcdAhjHn2w87Nbbtyw%3BFUc3xgEd9gpR-ikVZEoA1r5AhjGwMoIkr0VYVQ%3BFakHxgEd0fVL-inTc6BK1N5AhjFLjcl1wabIng%3BFZDUxgEd5AhQ-imjUQkuDcdAhjG2jjPxOjYWXA%3BFeiNxwEdbelQ-imhB6MVLrhAhjFXKcMLeDA-Aw&hl=en&mra=dpe&mrcr=3&mrsp=4&sz=12&via=4&sll=29.810263,-95.534019&sspn=0.25023,0.445976&ie=UTF8&ll=29.829625,-95.460892&spn=0.250182,0.445976&z=12

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:28 AM
So... Is SD the babysitter?

There was no babysitter; mom admitted that the boy was left alone at home while she was at work. Apparently, SD 'checked in' on him about 1:45 p.m. and was the last person known to see him.

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 01:28 AM
These are the things that have me confused and concerned.... so many things have changed. And how can "all indications" be that it is his body if they don't even know the gender yet. :waitasec:


Source: Body believed to be that of missing boy


Pending the official notification from the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, Jonathan's family has been prepared for the possibility that the body in the ditch is his, and all indications are that it is, a police source said..

"The finding of the body kind of confirmed our worst fears," said Sgt. Brian Harris of Houston Police Department's homicide division.


Police questioned Jonathan's mother and stepfather, Angela and David Davis, overnight Monday and spent hours sorting through conflicting statements from family members, neighbors and friends to establish a timeline for Jonathan's disappearance on Christmas Eve, Harris said.

Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.

"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.


In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.


That afternoon, someone called Angela Davis' workplace, Harris said.

"We believe Jonathan's actually on the phone and asks to speak to his mom," Harris said.

A colleague who answered the phone said Angela Davis was working and would call him back.

"And then a female gets on the phone and says, 'This is an emergency,'" Harris said.

By the time Jonathan's mother picked up, no one was there, he said.


Angela Davis called the land line where she and Jonathan live, and a woman with a gruff voice answered, Harris said.

"Angela says, 'Well, this is Angela, I'm Jonathan's mother. Who are you?'" Harris said.

"And the woman is heard saying, 'Is Angela your mother?'

And the boy replies, 'Yes ma'am, Angela's my mother.'

And then the phone went dead."


A few minutes later, the mother arrived home, Harris said. Jonathan was gone, and the cordless phone was missing, he said.

Within an hour, relatives called police, Harris said.

"Patrol responds by like 3:30 p.m. and they're there from 3:30 to 4:15 or so," Harris said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:29 AM
LE's news release. I wish they would update this site. I check often and will post if there is any news on identity of bodies that are found.


http://www.houstontx.gov/police/nr/2010/dec/nr122810-3.htm


On the left is jail inquiry.

This lady was on the side of the road though.. not in the water. unless they left out the water part on purpose

"a person lying on the side of the road."

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 01:29 AM
Brattigirle, I don't know what a kiln fireman is, will you explain?

A kiln is like a giant oven, my DH fires bricks.

SuziQ
12-29-2010, 01:30 AM
So is there a business inside the industrial park where someone could burn a body? I'm thinking the perp realized how hard it would be to completely burn a body and couldn't leave it at that business if it tracks back to them. I'm also thinking you wouldn't make it too far with a burned body in your vehicle before having to dump it. JMO. The burning location might not be far from the body.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:30 AM
Yes...it was along the toll road and there are cameras at the booths on Hardy. But, if the transport occurred without getting on Hardy, then I'm not sure anything would be available on the toll cameras. However, there are several businesses in the area which the body was found, and I would be SHOCKED if any of them didn't have cameras surrounding this entire building / strip.

Again, Hardy could be avoided, even to get to the place where the body was found, if traveling down Crosstimbers or Tidwell...pass over Hardy and come back around to get to the business location...this might not make sense, sorry...but I'm not the directional diva...LOL


LE said they had telling survelance vid. from a grocery store, connected to the burned body and they were acting on it...

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 01:30 AM
I hope the cameras help solve this hideous crime, no matter whose body wsa found...it would be great if they were actually working, and actually captured a clear image of the person and the vehicle...just in case confessions are not forthcoming...

Sorry about my confusion over the two bodies, but it strikes me that the body in the water has reddish hair, as does Jonathan, it is not that common. So it was confusing...

Wait, just saw a post above...police were called around 3:30??

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:31 AM
Thanks I thought I saw a post that had blue flannel shirt and reddish blond hair in it...did both bodies have reddish blond hair? Am I going crazy...

No you are not going crazy... the story was originally reported wrong. The burned child's body had no clothes on or were burned. And the body found in the water had the flannel shirt.

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 01:31 AM
Has it been mentioned already where Mom and Step Dad worked?

I haven't seen it yet.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:32 AM
Perhaps a local can shed a bit more light on the Hardy Rd. Toll System. The burned body was found adjacent to this highway.

From what I can see here, Hardy Tolls Highway does indeed require payment, here are the toll locations:

Hardy Toll Maps:



https://www.hctra.org/files/Front_SW_Quadrant.pdf


https://www.hctra.org/tollroads_map/


Hardy Toll Rates/Locations:


https://www.hctra.org/tollroads_rates/hardy-toll-road-southbound/

OK this is tricky... stay with me here. ;)

There's Hardy Road, which is the street from which the nearby "Hardy Toll Road" was named. It might be that Hardy Road is now the feeder to Hardy Toll Road, but please don't quote me on that - I haven't traveled that road in a few years.

You can travel on Hardy Road without any toll. Obviously, the Hardy Toll Road you have to pay if you remain on. You can enter and exit at some points without paying - quick on, quick off. I'm not familiar with the camera situation on the road; I would assume that at the gates/booths they of course have cameras.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:32 AM
These are the things that have me confused and concerned.... so many things have changed. And how can "all indications" be that it is his body if they don't even know the gender yet. :waitasec:


Source: Body believed to be that of missing boy


Pending the official notification from the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, Jonathan's family has been prepared for the possibility that the body in the ditch is his, and all indications are that it is, a police source said..

"The finding of the body kind of confirmed our worst fears," said Sgt. Brian Harris of Houston Police Department's homicide division.


Police questioned Jonathan's mother and stepfather, Angela and David Davis, overnight Monday and spent hours sorting through conflicting statements from family members, neighbors and friends to establish a timeline for Jonathan's disappearance on Christmas Eve, Harris said.

Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.

"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.


In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.


That afternoon, someone called Angela Davis' workplace, Harris said.

"We believe Jonathan's actually on the phone and asks to speak to his mom," Harris said.

A colleague who answered the phone said Angela Davis was working and would call him back.

"And then a female gets on the phone and says, 'This is an emergency,'" Harris said.

By the time Jonathan's mother picked up, no one was there, he said.


Angela Davis called the land line where she and Jonathan live, and a woman with a gruff voice answered, Harris said.

"Angela says, 'Well, this is Angela, I'm Jonathan's mother. Who are you?'" Harris said.

"And the woman is heard saying, 'Is Angela your mother?'

And the boy replies, 'Yes ma'am, Angela's my mother.'

And then the phone went dead."


A few minutes later, the mother arrived home, Harris said. Jonathan was gone, and the cordless phone was missing, he said.

Within an hour, relatives called police, Harris said.

"Patrol responds by like 3:30 p.m. and they're there from 3:30 to 4:15 or so," Harris said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

Also in the original chron.com story you quoted it said the mom asked to talk to her roommate the woman with the raspy voice said the roommate wasn't there..

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:33 AM
LE said they had telling survelance vid. from a grocery store, connected to the burned body and they were acting on it...

That says a lot... must be local to the area to know the road travels like that.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:34 AM
So is there a business inside the industrial park where someone could burn a body? I'm thinking the perp realized how hard it would be to completely burn a body and couldn't leave it at that business if it tracks back to them. I'm also thinking you wouldn't make it too far with a burned body in your vehicle before having to dump it. JMO. The burning location might not be far from the body.

I don't believe it's an industrial park, just a not-very-populated road where businesses have bought land and built. We have that a lot here. The roads become what we call "semi industrial", meaning usually they're lined with machine shops, steel shops, welding companies, etc., few houses if any. I could be wrong if it's been said to be an industrial park, but from the looks of it I don't believe it is officially.

dr dona
12-29-2010, 01:34 AM
sh--:furious::furious::furious: My prayers are with this little angel if this is Jonathan...I'm so mad...Actually my prayers are for this poor child whoever he or she may be.
I think the perp is close to home.

Kimster
12-29-2010, 01:35 AM
I hope my map is correct of all the known locations

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=800+Oak+Street,+Houston,+TX&daddr=West+43rd+Street+and+shepherd,+Houston,+TX+t o:900+hardy,+Houston,+TX+to:Buffalo+Bayou,+Houston ,+TX+to:29.80776,-95.41814+to:1500+Schilder,+Houston,+TX&geocode=FaFBxwEd5h1Q-imhnJ3LlcdAhjG5Y1ih6OPbkA%3BFcwgxwEd-iVQ-ikziluTmcdAhjHn2w87Nbbtyw%3BFUc3xgEd9gpR-ikVZEoA1r5AhjGwMoIkr0VYVQ%3BFakHxgEd0fVL-inTc6BK1N5AhjFLjcl1wabIng%3BFZDUxgEd5AhQ-imjUQkuDcdAhjG2jjPxOjYWXA%3BFeiNxwEdbelQ-imhB6MVLrhAhjFXKcMLeDA-Aw&hl=en&mra=dpe&mrcr=3&mrsp=4&sz=12&via=4&sll=29.810263,-95.534019&sspn=0.25023,0.445976&ie=UTF8&ll=29.829625,-95.460892&spn=0.250182,0.445976&z=12

I LOVE maps!!! :hug: :gthanks:

trigger
12-29-2010, 01:35 AM
This lady was on the side of the road though.. not in the water. unless they left out the water part on purpose

"a person lying on the side of the road."


Yeah I know, it hasn't been updated as yet. Maybe tomorrow.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:36 AM
sh--:furious::furious::furious: My prayers are with this little angel is Jonathan...I'm so mad...
I think the perp is close to home.

"Investigators were focused on local leads and the likelihood that someone close to Jonathan knew what had happened to him, Harris said."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

carbuff
12-29-2010, 01:36 AM
LE's news release. I wish they would update this site. I check often and will post if there is any news on identity of bodies that are found.


http://www.houstontx.gov/police/nr/2010/dec/nr122810-3.htm


On the left is jail inquiry.

That's not the same body. The woman at this link was found Dec. 24; the body of unidentified gender was found in the bayou this morning.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:36 AM
Yeah I know, it hasn't been updated as yet. Maybe tomorrow.

Ahh thanks. I didnt' know how it worked :)

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:37 AM
This lady was on the side of the road though.. not in the water. unless they left out the water part on purpose

"a person lying on the side of the road."

This is a completely different story - telephone road is quite far away from the other bodies. The Buffalo Bayou body is the one that people were possibly associating with this story, and the BB body was found IN the water - as the water is a "bayou", like a wide slow moving creek.

Telephone Road (unfortunately very close to me) is very far south of that whole area and, again unfortunately, known for prostitution, drugs, etc. As embarrassing as it is to say, finding a body on Telephone Road would not be surprising. Isn't that awful? I love my city (not).

tfrohning
12-29-2010, 01:37 AM
This lady was on the side of the road though.. not in the water. unless they left out the water part on purpose

"a person lying on the side of the road."

So what this make four bodies:waitasec::banghead:

Lera213
12-29-2010, 01:38 AM
800 Oak Street, Houston, TX-Mom's apartment address

West 43rd Street and shepherd, Houston, TX-Police reported this as last known area of boy?

900 hardy, Houston, TX- body found in dumpster (baby I believe)

Buffalo Bayou, Houston, TX- possible woman body found

1500 Schilder, Houston, TX- very close to area burned remains found

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:38 AM
Confirmed our worst fears??? They have a video? It may show the car coming and going. Does the SD have any kids of his own?

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:39 AM
Confirmed our worst fears??? They have a video? It may show the car coming and going. Does the SD have any kids of his own?

Yes video from a grocery store, does anyone know what grocery stores are around there?? I'm in Iowa, i'm no help.

Beyond Belief
12-29-2010, 01:41 AM
I'd like to know the alibi's of these folks for the 12 hours prior to the call to LE. And when the roomate, if there really is one, last saw Jonathan.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 01:43 AM
800 Oak Street, Houston, TX-Mom's apartment address

West 43rd Street and shepherd, Houston, TX-Police reported this as last known area of boy?

900 hardy, Houston, TX- body found in dumpster (baby I believe)

Buffalo Bayou, Houston, TX- possible woman body found

1500 Schilder, Houston, TX- very close to area burned remains found

No...this is incorrect. BBM...the baby in dumpster was found on SE side of Houston...nowhere close to Hardy

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356709.html

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:43 AM
Beyond, according to the verified Aunt, there was no 9 hr missing window of time. The mom got home around 2 or so, called the grandmother at 2:30 and told her kid was gone, grandma drove over (at least 1 hr drive) and got there at 4:00 and LE was already there and it was reported in MSM LE was there from 3:35 or so to 4:15

carbuff
12-29-2010, 01:44 AM
According to googlemaps, there's a StopNSave grocery store just a few blocks away on West Hardy Road.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1500+Schilder+Dr,+Houston,+TX+77093&daddr=11111+West+Hardy+Road,+Houston,+TX+77076-2721+(Stop+N+Save)&hl=en&geocode=FeiNxwEdbelQ-imhB6MVLrhAhjFXKcMLeDA-Aw%3BFXexxwEdW9pQ-iHMjIOA43bB2Q&mra=ls&sll=29.879351,-95.364075&sspn=0.0643,0.154324&ie=UTF8&ll=29.862977,-95.363216&spn=0.032155,0.077162&t=h&z=14

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 01:45 AM
Sounds like someone made a few drops this weekend. So Sad.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:46 AM
No...this is incorrect. BBM...the baby in dumpster was found on SE side of Houston...nowhere close to Hardy

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356709.html

The baby story is hurting me as well. The fact she had a lot of hair etc. just breaks my heart. she was perfect :( :(

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:47 AM
800 Oak Street, Houston, TX-Mom's apartment address

West 43rd Street and shepherd, Houston, TX-Police reported this as last known area of boy?

900 hardy, Houston, TX- body found in dumpster (baby I believe)

Buffalo Bayou, Houston, TX- possible woman body found

1500 Schilder, Houston, TX- very close to area burned remains found


The body found in the dumpster (incorrectly listed as being on Hardy) was Shaver by Crenshaw at the Windshire apartments. Technically, that's Pasadena, Texas. Again, very close to me, and again even further south and further away from Jonathan's situation. Not a great area. Unrelated newborn death.

East Hardy Road (not tollway): where the as-yet-unidentified burned child's body was found.

Buffalo Bayou (near Tony Marron Park, near York Road) is the location of the flannel-shirted reddish blonde headed (possibly) female body IN the water.

Telephone Road, unrelated female found dead on the side of the road.

43rd street, at Shepherd - where Jonathan was supposedly seen, though Oak Street is where we know he was really last seen, by SD, mom's apartment.

dr dona
12-29-2010, 01:47 AM
Its really easy to disguise your voice if you add a raspy or whispery soung. Guy could sound like a girl and vice versa. Also, how often does a 12 year old boy get kidnapped from his own appartment. This is risky even for a hard cold sicko Pedophile. More likely its someone the child knew-- parent , friend of family etc. Lots of kids with ADHD don't take their meds over holidays. It would be hard to snatch a screaming 12 year old from a home!!!!

debirlfan
12-29-2010, 01:47 AM
Re the body found in the water... assuming that it was not burned/dismembered/etc (and I suspect word would have leaked if it was), then the uncertainty regarding the sex probably indicates advanced decomp. That suggests to me the body was in the water for some time, and most likely isn't the raspy voiced woman.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 01:48 AM
Here's a map pinpointing Jonathan's apartment, the location of burned remains and location of bayou remains.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206903293352545488281.00049885ccaed9d226b82&ll=29.808327,-95.364246&spn=0.105158,0.153637&z=13

Beyond Belief
12-29-2010, 01:48 AM
Beyond, according to the verified Aunt, there was no 9 hr missing window of time. The mom got home around 2 or so, called the grandmother at 2:30 and told her kid was gone, grandma drove over (at least 1 hr drive) and got there at 4:00 and LE was already there and it was reported in MSM LE was there from 3:35 or so to 4:15
I know.

krista
12-29-2010, 01:51 AM
Ugh, what the heck is going on in Houston with all of these bodies turning up. So sad.


Anyway, I believe the grocery store video will be of someone purchasing accellerant supplies.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 01:51 AM
Here's a map pinpointing Jonathan's apartment, the location of burned remains and location of bayou remains.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206903293352545488281.00049885ccaed9d226b82&ll=29.808327,-95.364246&spn=0.105158,0.153637&z=13

That's a really good visual of how things are arranged - thank you.

Likely, as the Navigation area is another bad area, the bayou body is unrelated - likely, unconfirmed. I personally don't think it's involved, though for a bit it sounded like a "maybe" when they mentioned the hair. But I agree with the theory that it's probably been there a bit.

tfrohning
12-29-2010, 01:53 AM
so where is the video from grocrey store coming from?

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 01:53 AM
The body that was found in the Bayou, do we actually have a link stating it was female. I have been looking at the news sites and they all say that they can not tell if it is male or female.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:54 AM
I know.

Ok i guess i'm confused by your question then, mom was at work when she got the calls as confirmed by a co worker. haven't heard anything else about the SD though obviously not at work since he checked on the kid at 1:45.
Do you think mom and SD did something before she left for work?

Beyond Belief
12-29-2010, 01:54 AM
Ugh, what the heck is going on in Houston with all of these bodies turning up. So sad.


Anyway, I believe the grocery store video will be of someone purchasing accellerant supplies.
Good thought!

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:55 AM
The body that was found in the Bayou, do we actually have a link stating it was female. I have been looking at the news sites and they all say that they can not tell if it is male or female.

Nope a comment from someone on one of the MSM sites in the comment section stated it was a woman.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 01:55 AM
The body that was found in the Bayou, do we actually have a link stating it was female. I have been looking at the news sites and they all say that they can not tell if it is male or female.

I haven't seen one.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:56 AM
so where is the video from grocrey store coming from?

MSM in thread 1 towards the mid end somewhere unless they took it down after putting it up, like the roommate thing. that should be against the rules.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 01:57 AM
MSM in thread 1 towards the mid end somewhere unless they took it down after putting it up, like the roommate thing. that should be against the rules.

It was MSM that took the roommate out of their reporting, iirc.

Melanie
12-29-2010, 01:57 AM
Is this the stepdad?

(23) Name: Davis, David Weldon
Date of Birth: 9/11/1963 Age: 47 Race: White Gender: M Risk: Low
Street: *********** City: Wolfforth State: TX Zip: 79382
Indecency W/ Child Contact -- Victim: 14 Year Old Female

I'm not going to provide a link or picture in case it's not him. But I'd sure like to know if we're dealing with an RSO here. Does anyone know the SD's middle name or age?

Best,

Mel

debirlfan
12-29-2010, 01:58 AM
Perhaps the Bayou body had long hair, leading to an assumption of it being female?

Lera213
12-29-2010, 01:58 AM
The body found in the dumpster (incorrectly listed as being on Hardy) was Shaver by Crenshaw at the Windshire apartments. Technically, that's Pasadena, Texas. Again, very close to me, and again even further south and further away from Jonathan's situation. Not a great area. Unrelated newborn death.

East Hardy Road (not tollway): where the as-yet-unidentified burned child's body was found.

Buffalo Bayou (near Tony Marron Park, near York Road) is the location of the flannel-shirted reddish blonde headed (possibly) female body IN the water.

Telephone Road, unrelated female found dead on the side of the road.

43rd street, at Shepherd - where Jonathan was supposedly seen, though Oak Street is where we know he was really last seen, by SD, mom's apartment.
Thank you, every time I type in East Hardy road it shows me the freaking toll road and street view looks nothing like the video when the cops are on scene of the remains. Thanks for the help

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 01:59 AM
Is this the stepdad?

(23) Name: Davis, David Weldon
Date of Birth: 9/11/1963 Age: 47 Race: White Gender: M Risk: Low
Street: *********** City: Wolfforth State: TX Zip: 79382
Indecency W/ Child Contact -- Victim: 14 Year Old Female

I'm not going to provide a link or picture in case it's not him. But I'd sure like to know if we're dealing with an RSO here. Does anyone know the SD's middle name or age?

Best,

Mel


Although they share the same name, and some pretty similar facial features... the ears don't match up (one set is attached, the other are not) and also Lubbock is really far away from Houston. 9 hour drive, iirc.

peeples
12-29-2010, 01:59 AM
It was MSM that took the roommate out of their reporting, iirc.

I know. i still think they should leave it once it's up though LOL

Ms Suzanne
12-29-2010, 01:59 AM
Yes,They should look into the SD especially if he was the last person to see Jonathan.Maybe he came to the moms house with someone.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 02:00 AM
Yes video from a grocery store, does anyone know what grocery stores are around there?? I'm in Iowa, i'm no help.


According to this video (you have to watch the video, because it's not included in the article...crazy as it seems...)...here:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

they show a pic of a camera that, to me, does not appear to be from a grocery store.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 02:02 AM
There is a business called Rolled Alloys where the culvert is located in which the child's body was found, but no grocery store. Rolled Alloys looks like a pretty large manufacturer so perhaps they have surveillance cameras in their parking lot.

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:02 AM
The body found in the dumpster (incorrectly listed as being on Hardy) was Shaver by Crenshaw at the Windshire apartments. Technically, that's Pasadena, Texas. Again, very close to me, and again even further south and further away from Jonathan's situation. Not a great area. Unrelated newborn death.

East Hardy Road (not tollway): where the as-yet-unidentified burned child's body was found.

Buffalo Bayou (near Tony Marron Park, near York Road) is the location of the flannel-shirted reddish blonde headed (possibly) female body IN the water.

Telephone Road, unrelated female found dead on the side of the road.

43rd street, at Shepherd - where Jonathan was supposedly seen, though Oak Street is where we know he was really last seen, by SD, mom's apartment.


Telephone Road??? I hadn't heard of that body. When was it found? Why so sure unrelated?

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:03 AM
Thanks everyone I'll have to watch tomorrow, have sick kid on my lap and can't turn on my volume

belimom
12-29-2010, 02:03 AM
The baby story is hurting me as well. The fact she had a lot of hair etc. just breaks my heart. she was perfect :( :(


Ugh, what the heck is going on in Houston with all of these bodies turning up. So sad.


Anyway, I believe the grocery store video will be of someone purchasing accellerant supplies.

On a related note, this article says the BB body count is now 298... :(

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/unidentified_baby_bayou_body_c.php

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 02:03 AM
Nope a comment from someone on one of the MSM sites in the comment section stated it was a woman.

actually the comment from the local stating the body found was a woman was posted in the "child's burned body" article. not the article about the body found in the bayou.


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7867856

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:05 AM
Nope a comment from someone on one of the MSM sites in the comment section stated it was a woman.

I remembered reading that... but didn't know what link it was on.

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 02:06 AM
Perhaps the Bayou body had long hair, leading to an assumption of it being female?

the article states the body had reddish blonde hair. no mention of length. officials couldn't tell if the body was a child or an adult or what the gender was.

Soulmagent
12-29-2010, 02:06 AM
This case is so riddled with bad reporting. Poor Jonathan, I do not know what the mother has lied about except the baby sitter.

The most recent reports cover the time frame that Jonathan was said not to be reported missing when he was really reported missing.

So I struck everything and went with the newest reports.

DD checked on JF at 145

There was a phone call to Moms job and JF was heard by a co worker as was the other woman. The co worker had to be encouraged by the woman to even get mom to the phone

I have not seen a time for that but I would have to conclude (IMO) that DD was possibly called and asked to check on JF . It seems weird to me he would check on him without being asked to right away. It might not be strange but why would Jonathan be left alone at all if he needed to be checked in by DD if DD was there and could have been there the whole time?

The mother has surely been asked to withhold things from the media as the cordless phone info was not released. I believe some of the mothers odd behavior could be tied to the fact that she has been asked to withhold facts that make her appear to be lying.

I at this point believe the co worker did hear Jonathan and Jonathan often called his moms job and the co worker knew the sound of his voice. I think it is why she didnt get her to the phone thinking it was Jonathan being bothersome to his mother at work at first.

My co workers know all my kids voice and could tell you which is on the phone as well as which one calls more just to be calling. The co worker was said to hear the woman.

Kids are snatched from their homes. Polly Klass, Elizabeth Smart ,Jennifer Short, Katie and Kristen lisk,Sophie Silver, and on and on.

Nothing has made me lean more one way or the other. If the body is Jonathans I would think if the SD was involved that it is strange that Jonathan be found so close. unless he lacked transportation.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 02:07 AM
According to this video (you have to watch the video, because it's not included in the article...crazy as it seems...)...here:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

they show a pic of a camera that, to me, does not appear to be from a grocery store.

There's a lot of stuff in that video that isn't in any of the articles. Twice they mention that another home was searched as a result of what was on the video, and clothes with forensic evidence were taken.

And they said the camera was directly across the street from where the child's body was found.

Melanie
12-29-2010, 02:09 AM
Although they share the same name, and some pretty similar facial features... the ears don't match up (one set is attached, the other are not) and also Lubbock is really far away from Houston. 9 hour drive, iirc.

Thanks. He could have moved though. I haven't seen a pic of the SD so it's hard for me to identify.

Best,

Mel

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:10 AM
actually the comment from the local stating the body found was a woman was posted in the "child's burned body" article. not the article about the body found in the bayou.


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7867856

I read it last night posted in one of the links about the "body found floating/dog found?" but can't seem to find it now. Very odd... I remember there were about 55 comments on that story the last I looked at the count.

belimom
12-29-2010, 02:11 AM
Is this the stepdad?

(23) Name: Davis, David Weldon
Date of Birth: 9/11/1963 Age: 47 Race: White Gender: M Risk: Low
Street: *********** City: Wolfforth State: TX Zip: 79382
Indecency W/ Child Contact -- Victim: 14 Year Old Female

I'm not going to provide a link or picture in case it's not him. But I'd sure like to know if we're dealing with an RSO here. Does anyone know the SD's middle name or age?

Best,

Mel


Can anyone repost the picture of DD again? I think he looks an awful lot like this RSO, but I'd like to see DD's pic again. Thank you!

ETA: I found it here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - #2 but after looking again, I don't believe it's the same person. Hard to believe there are two people in Texas with that same exact name, but I think there must be.

trigger
12-29-2010, 02:11 AM
According to this video (you have to watch the video, because it's not included in the article...crazy as it seems...)...here:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

they show a pic of a camera that, to me, does not appear to be from a grocery store.

I cannot look right now. Is it a gas station?

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:14 AM
I cannot look right now. Is it a gas station?
Someone said it's a manufacturing place

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:16 AM
That camera on the building looks to be angled down low and more towards the building. I pray they could see at least vehicles traveling on the road!

jadejazzkayla
12-29-2010, 02:17 AM
I read it last night posted in one of the links about the "body found floating/dog found?" but can't seem to find it now. Very odd... I remember there were about 55 comments on that story the last I looked at the count.

i haven't found any articles about the body found in the bayou that had a comment section for them. just the articles about the child's burned body.

Bia.
12-29-2010, 02:17 AM
I can't help but shake the feeling that the burned body of a woman is connected.

Does anyone know how far it was from the body of the little boy?

It's possible that this woman saw danger, called the mother and then the rest ... well you know.

How heart breaking ......

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 02:18 AM
I read it last night posted in one of the links about the "body found floating/dog found?" but can't seem to find it now. Very odd... I remember there were about 55 comments on that story the last I looked at the count.

Right, the woman stated in the comments that she lived close by.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 02:18 AM
The body found in the dumpster (incorrectly listed as being on Hardy) was Shaver by Crenshaw at the Windshire apartments. Technically, that's Pasadena, Texas. Again, very close to me, and again even further south and further away from Jonathan's situation. Not a great area. Unrelated newborn death.

East Hardy Road (not tollway): where the as-yet-unidentified burned child's body was found.

Buffalo Bayou (near Tony Marron Park, near York Road) is the location of the flannel-shirted reddish blonde headed (possibly) female body IN the water.

Telephone Road, unrelated female found dead on the side of the road.

43rd street, at Shepherd - where Jonathan was supposedly seen, though Oak Street is where we know he was really last seen, by SD, mom's apartment.


Thanks. To clarify for those who might be getting Hardy Rd and Hard toll confused...the body was found outside a culvert at Rolled Alloys Business...Rolled Alloys is off of the part of E. Hardy Road that is the "frontage road" for Hardy Toll.

Re: Rolled Alloys - http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

Marked "B" here:
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Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 02:18 AM
Thank you, every time I type in East Hardy road it shows me the freaking toll road and street view looks nothing like the video when the cops are on scene of the remains. Thanks for the help

Try this map. Go to the street view at the pinpoint. You're on Schilder looking towards Hardy Toll Rd. On the left-hand side of the street in the grass you see a small culvert which is where the body was found. Pan further to the left and you see the Rolled Alloys building and parking lot where I'm guessing they had some surveillance cameras.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206903293352545488281.00049885cb449ab0ef0e4&ll=29.855231,-95.360325&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=29.855232,-95.360247&panoid=0TSqVj-1XoCgtbHrzOrEFg&cbp=12,267.8,,0,6.31

carbuff
12-29-2010, 02:19 AM
Looks like a camera up on the side of this building, about halfway up the corner, which looks like the one in the video: Schilder Drive, at 9900 block of Hardy Road

If you turn around from there, this is what you see:
I wonder if this is the culvert?

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 02:20 AM
Telephone Road??? I hadn't heard of that body. When was it found? Why so sure unrelated?

So sure because of the reasons I listed before for Telephone Road. Completely far away from the child, known hangout for prostitutes, drug deals, etc. Houston has a LOT of crime. Thinking that two crimes are related just because they're in the same city, here, is faulty thinking because our city area is absolutely huge. For instance, four bodies were found in just one day from this weekend. That's a *little* high for us, but not terribly. There's nothing at all to indicate that there's any reason to suspect that ANY of the other bodies are related at this point. If there were any suspicion, believe me - the Chronicle would be jumping to conclusions about it already.

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 02:21 AM
post 10.... under my post.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7867856

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:22 AM
i haven't found any articles about the body found in the bayou that had a comment section for them. just the articles about the child's burned body.

Me either... it was early this morning right after the story posted. I will try to locate it.

A_News_Junkie
12-29-2010, 02:22 AM
Whewwww- just finished the last thread. Two things:
Shoes and the phone.
They would mention the shoes if he was home alone and would not likely have had them on playing video games all day. Or they would mention them if they felt they would be found.
Phone - whomever made that call didn't want their DNA on that phone.
Now, only 118 post to go. Carry on.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 02:24 AM
I can't help but shake the feeling that the burned body of a woman is connected.

Does anyone know how far it was from the body of the little boy?

It's possible that this woman saw danger, called the mother and then the rest ... well you know.

How heart breaking ......

I don't recall having seen any 'burned bodies' of women found in our news. What burned woman?

There's an unidentified burned body of a child, a woman wayyyy south on Telephone Road who was found on the side of a road with a head laceration, a floating body with reddish blonde hair not terribly close in the Navigation area (off of york road) that sounds to have been there a while, and a newborn infant in a nearby town (incorrectly listed as Houston, but it's Pasadena).

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:24 AM
Try this map. Go to the street view at the pinpoint. You're on Schilder looking towards Hardy Toll Rd. On the left-hand side of the street in the grass you see a small culvert which is where the body was found. Pan further to the left and you see the Rolled Alloys building and parking lot where I'm guessing they had some surveillance cameras.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206903293352545488281.00049885cb449ab0ef0e4&ll=29.855231,-95.360325&spn=0,0.002401&z=19&layer=c&cbll=29.855232,-95.360247&panoid=0TSqVj-1XoCgtbHrzOrEFg&cbp=12,267.8,,0,6.31

thank you, to me it just didn't look like the earlier (today's) video clip of the area. Perhaps Google since it was taken probably years earlier is why.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 02:25 AM
I cannot look right now. Is it a gas station?

Sorry...I should have clarified...to me it looks like an industrial building of sorts. It doesn't appear to look anything like a grocery store, gas station, etc.

however, the video doesn't show the front of the building, only part of the building where the camera is located, which appears to be a steel building.

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 02:27 AM
OT but probably because I just watched "Disappeared", I thought about Kara Kopetsky with her reddish hair, still missing from Missouri...

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 02:28 AM
Sorry...I should have clarified...to me it looks like an industrial building of sorts. It doesn't appear to look anything like a grocery store, gas station, etc.

however, the video doesn't show the front of the building, only part of the building where the camera is located, which appears to be a steel building.

The camera shown in that particular news report is from a building in the vicinity of where the burned body was found, likely from the Alloy business building or one of the other semi-industrial businesses around it. It was neither from a "grocery store" nor a "gas station", but around here the two often blend together.

KT Can
12-29-2010, 02:28 AM
Oh holy hell, I just started a new job so I haven't been tuned in to the news and WS's 24/7 like usual so this is the first I am hearing about this! I am as local as local can get and CANNOT believe that I didn't hear about this over the weekend while I was lounging up on my couch catching up on all of my news and WS's...I would have been in my car or posting flyers or something! What the heck, where was the amber alert??? Somebody, anybody please catch me up on this little boy's story, my heart is just breaking for him. Anyhoo, as I said, I'm local, this is my area, grew up on the northside, drive I-45 or the Hardy Toll Road to 610 loop every day going to work. As a matter of fact we have been in the process of building a new office on Shepherd right near this and I've been visiting the area regularly too. Sad. Sad sad sad.

belimom
12-29-2010, 02:29 AM
Looks like a camera up on the side of this building, about halfway up the corner, which looks like the one in the video: Schilder Drive, at 9900 block of Hardy Road (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=9900+hardy+road,+houston+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.130288,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=9900+E+Hardy+Rd,+Houston,+Harris,+Texas+7709 3&ll=29.855235,-95.359912&spn=0.008039,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.855235,-95.360017&panoid=NzCRHgr5ChQqbieUbm7vuQ&cbp=12,143.27,,0,5.14)

If you turn around from there, this is what you see:
I wonder if this is the culvert? (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=9900+hardy+road,+houston+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.130288,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=9900+E+Hardy+Rd,+Houston,+Harris,+Texas+7709 3&ll=29.855235,-95.359912&spn=0.003648,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.855235,-95.360017&panoid=NzCRHgr5ChQqbieUbm7vuQ&cbp=12,322.19,,0,11.15)

If that's the case, then I don't think this was done in broad daylight. I can't imagine someone putting a body there during the daytime, unless there were no cars at either building. Since it was Christmas Eve, this may have been the case. But I think it had to be have been put there at night.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:31 AM
Oh holy hell, I just started a new job so I haven't been tuned in to the news and WS's 24/7 like usual so this is the first I am hearing about this! I am as local as local can get and CANNOT believe that I didn't here about this over the weekend while I was lounging up on my couch catching up on all of my news and WS's...I would have been in my car or posting flyers or something! What the heck, where was the amber alert??? Somebody, anybody please catch me up on this little boy's story, my heart is just breaking for him. Anyhoo, as I said, I'm local, this is my area, grew up on the northside, drive I-45 or the Hardy Toll Road to 610 loop every day going to work. As a matter of fact we have been in the process of building a new office on Shepherd right near this and I've been visiting the area regularly too. Sad. Sad sad sad.

quick story

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

carbuff
12-29-2010, 02:32 AM
If that's the case, then I don't think this was done in broad daylight. I can't imagine someone putting a body there during the daytime, unless there were no cars at either building. Since it was Christmas Eve, this may have been the case. But I think it had to be have been put there at night.

Yes, I would agree -- it looks like the kind of area that would be pretty deserted after work ends at those plants. There are houses farther out Schilder, but it looks like the trees screen this particular spot.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:32 AM
Oh holy hell, I just started a new job so I haven't been tuned in to the news and WS's 24/7 like usual so this is the first I am hearing about this! I am as local as local can get and CANNOT believe that I didn't here about this over the weekend while I was lounging up on my couch catching up on all of my news and WS's...I would have been in my car or posting flyers or something! What the heck, where was the amber alert??? Somebody, anybody please catch me up on this little boy's story, my heart is just breaking for him. Anyhoo, as I said, I'm local, this is my area, grew up on the northside, drive I-45 or the Hardy Toll Road to 610 loop every day going to work. As a matter of fact we have been in the process of building a new office on Shepherd right near this and I've been visiting the area regularly too. Sad. Sad sad sad.

follow up on a few things

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

SmoothOperator
12-29-2010, 02:32 AM
So, are most believing that the phonecalls to moms work were a hoax or completely untrue? Just been catching up again reading all posts and that seems to be what many are thinking..

So, what about the co worker that intially took the first call that stated it was Jonathan asking for his mother at which time she told him mom was working and would have to call back..that is when the raspy voiced woman grabs phone and says it was an emergency...

Then followed the call back to the home again hearing raspy voiced woman and Jonathan as well..

So, is it thought that the co worker is lying? I just think that its too early to discount a non family members acct of what happened..she would have noreason for lying or covering and certainly would be cappable of discerning a man attempting to disguise his voice as a woman..

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:32 AM
Oh holy hell, I just started a new job so I haven't been tuned in to the news and WS's 24/7 like usual so this is the first I am hearing about this! I am as local as local can get and CANNOT believe that I didn't here about this over the weekend while I was lounging up on my couch catching up on all of my news and WS's...I would have been in my car or posting flyers or something! What the heck, where was the amber alert??? Somebody, anybody please catch me up on this little boy's story, my heart is just breaking for him. Anyhoo, as I said, I'm local, this is my area, grew up on the northside, drive I-45 or the Hardy Toll Road to 610 loop every day going to work. As a matter of fact we have been in the process of building a new office on Shepherd right near this and I've been visiting the area regularly too. Sad. Sad sad sad.

OH good if you out and about near where the burned remains was found, can you check out the cameras and see if they are angled to where the body was the camera could capture a good look?

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 02:32 AM
Source: Burned Body Found Believe To Be That of Missing 12 Year Old Boy

Houston police are still waiting for official identification from the Medical Examiner's Office, but we're told investigators are proceeding as if the body found earlier today is that of Jonathan Foster.

We know the boy's mother and stepfather are at police headquarters while others spent Tuesday night to honor Jonathan.

Family and friends gathered together to draw strength Tuesday night. With every candle, there is still hope Jonathan Foster will come home.

.................................................. ...................

Adding to the agony, the discovery of a child's badly burned body this morning, just five miles away from the home where he was last seen. Police on East Hardy told us the body had been dumped there.

At the time, they didn't know whether there was a link. But Tuesday night, police sources confirmed there is.

On Monday, Jonathan's stepfather told us his theory about what happened.

"I think a pedophile took him. That's what I think and I want him back. I want revenge. Something, something like that, you know," said stepfather David Davis.

Today he faced additional police questions and was not seen publicly. Houston police towed away his car, but wouldn't say why. As is standard, all family members have been extensively interviewed.

We're told police are zeroing in on a suspect.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7868001

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:33 AM
Oh holy hell, I just started a new job so I haven't been tuned in to the news and WS's 24/7 like usual so this is the first I am hearing about this! I am as local as local can get and CANNOT believe that I didn't here about this over the weekend while I was lounging up on my couch catching up on all of my news and WS's...I would have been in my car or posting flyers or something! What the heck, where was the amber alert??? Somebody, anybody please catch me up on this little boy's story, my heart is just breaking for him. Anyhoo, as I said, I'm local, this is my area, grew up on the northside, drive I-45 or the Hardy Toll Road to 610 loop every day going to work. As a matter of fact we have been in the process of building a new office on Shepherd right near this and I've been visiting the area regularly too. Sad. Sad sad sad.

Also the Aunt who raised Jonathan from ages 6-11 is here posting with us.

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 02:35 AM
]I wonder if this is the culvert?[/url]

Sure looks like it.
Look at the picture i this article:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7867856

And then the video footage in this article starting at -1:38:
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html?commentPage=1#comments

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:35 AM
the phone call, the raspy voice...my mind is spinning!

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:35 AM
I think the calls to the mom were real.. at least as far as the mother and co worker knew..... i'm not discounting the stepfather or roommate/friend made them though.

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 02:36 AM
I raised from age 6 to 11, not sure where the 2-6 came in. I had him just last novemeber when he wanted to go back to his granny's in Houston.

SuziQ
12-29-2010, 02:36 AM
So, are most believing that the phonecalls to moms work were a hoax or completely untrue? Just been catching up again reading all posts and that seems to be what many are thinking..

So, what about the co worker that intially took the first call that stated it was Jonathan asking for his mother at which time she told him mom was working and would have to call back..that is when the raspy voiced woman grabs phone and says it was an emergency...

Then followed the call back to the home again hearing raspy voiced woman and Jonathan as well..

So, is it thought that the co worker is lying? I just think that its too early to discount a non family members acct of what happened..she would have noreason for lying or covering and certainly would be cappable of discerning a man attempting to disguise his voice as a woman..

I don't think the co-worker is lying. I think they are confused or mistaken. JMO.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:37 AM
why in that spot to leave a body? I mean you can see the camera on the building right there too. Why there?

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:37 AM
Sorry, sorry, sorry i read so many things today they are running together.

Melanie
12-29-2010, 02:38 AM
Why on earth would some "passerby" notice or ever feel the need to report what looked to be charred debri? That doesn't make any sense. Must have either been A: something else suspect about what they saw or B: the tip was from someone who knew exactly what that was..

IMHO I don't think it's quite uncommon. If one travels the road frequently and saw something out of the ordinary, they may stop and look. Nosey is as nosey does don't they say. I remember a couple weeks back I thought what looked like a stroller on the sidewalk with no one nearby. EEK! I stopped to make sure a baby wasn't in it. Maybe it wasn't all ashes and the person thought it would be good to stop.

For what it's worth - I'm glad they did.

MOO

Mel

Cubby
12-29-2010, 02:38 AM
quick story

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html


another quick story.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

there is also a media only link in post 1 of this thread.

hth

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:38 AM
Renee how are you and hubby holding up?

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:38 AM
My browser opened in another tab keeps jumping to the pics of the video camera and the ditch everytime I try to quote someone... that is weird.

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 02:38 AM
So, are most believing that the phonecalls to moms work were a hoax or completely untrue? Just been catching up again reading all posts and that seems to be what many are thinking..

So, what about the co worker that intially took the first call that stated it was Jonathan asking for his mother at which time she told him mom was working and would have to call back..that is when the raspy voiced woman grabs phone and says it was an emergency...

Then followed the call back to the home again hearing raspy voiced woman and Jonathan as well..

So, is it thought that the co worker is lying? I just think that its too early to discount a non family members acct of what happened..she would have noreason for lying or covering and certainly would be cappable of discerning a man attempting to disguise his voice as a woman..

I think the calls did come in.
The co-worker did not lie.
Whether the calls were set up, to build a plausible abduction scenario, by stepdad and/or mom, or whether they happened on their own is the debate, as I see it.

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 02:39 AM
Reneeloveyou, I thought you raised him from 6-10, I may be getting confused.
Edited it is 6-11

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 02:39 AM
It's ok I'm not mad, there's to much madness in this world already, obviously otherwise this forum wouldn't be here

carbuff
12-29-2010, 02:40 AM
.

IMHO I don't think it's quite uncommon. If one travels the road frequently and saw something out of the ordinary, they may stop and look. Nosey is as nosey does don't they say. I remember a couple weeks back I thought what looked like a stroller on the sidewalk with no one nearby. EEK! I stopped to make sure a baby wasn't in it. Maybe it wasn't all ashes and the person thought it would be good to stop.

For what it's worth - I'm glad they did.

MOO

Mel

That area is very clean and tidy, all the grass mowed and not even growing up along the fences. It may have been reported to the company's security just so they could clean it up. Or out of concern that it was plugging the culvert, which could be a problem in heavy rain.

A_News_Junkie
12-29-2010, 02:41 AM
LE said they had telling survelance vid. from a grocery store, connected to the burned body and they were acting on it...
So what else besides large quantities of say lighter fluid could you buy at a grocery to burn a body and alarm someone at the store that your purchase indicates a crime?

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:42 AM
why in that spot to leave a body? I mean you can see the camera on the building right there too. Why there?

It was probably dark and they are stupid.

zoomom
12-29-2010, 02:42 AM
I wonder if the lady with the raspy voice on the phone could have come over to the moms house with the SD?Just thinking out loud.Sorry.

I'm wondering if the second call with the raspy voice on the phone was that poor boy with something wrapped around his neck strangeling him? Perhaps something got lost in the translation between "the co-workers" words and the voice "on the phone", via the reporting?

sorry for that image.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:43 AM
So what else besides large quantities of say lighter fluid could you buy at a grocery to burn a body and alarm someone at the store that your purchase indicates a crime?

Looks like it may have not been a grocery store :( either media got it wrong or i heard wrong... unless we've got 2 differant camera footages... I'm not sure....

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:43 AM
Diesel fuel from a gas station and a quick stop at the store to pick up a loaf of bread. Who knows...sorry that was a joke...didn't mean to sound mean

SuziQ
12-29-2010, 02:43 AM
My browser opened in another tab keeps jumping to the pics of the video camera and the ditch everytime I try to quote someone... that is weird.

It's happening to me too.

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 02:43 AM
Reneeloveyou, I thought you raised him from 6-10, I may be getting confused.
Edited it is 6-11

He just barely turned 12 in November and had not lived with Renee for a year.

So he likely moved with Grandma right after his 11th birthday.

Then moved with Mom at his 12th birthday.

Melanie
12-29-2010, 02:45 AM
I raised from age 6 to 11, not sure where the 2-6 came in. I had him just last novemeber when he wanted to go back to his granny's in Houston.

Greetings,

I hope you don't mind me asking. But since the step-dad was the last to see him, and wasn't living with Jonathan, do you know what troubles they were having?

I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around why Jonathan was seen (or with) the step-dad if they didn't even live together? Was the video game at the step dad's apartment.

I know we're in the middle of an investigation, so if you don't feel comfortable answering, that's okay.

My thoughts are with you.

Mel

In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.

The stepfather reportedly is the last known person to see Jonathan, he said.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:45 AM
I'm still hoping the boy is somewhere and is unharmed. My soul wants that to be the case

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 02:45 AM
Renee, what do you think may of happened? I am asking you because you know the mom and the family dynamics. We have heard some mistruths and that always worries us.

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 02:46 AM
Hubby's sleeping right now. Weve been together for 7 years and I've never seen him cry so much. Me I'm not the type to let others see me emotional, today was different though cause my coworkers seen it more then once, I work in a hospital here and my patients thought I had a cold. I am staying "strong" for the sake of my children right now, I don't want them knowing about the possibility of it being Jonathan until we know for sure, then if it does turn out that body is Jonathan I will have to give them that news. Jonathan just turned 12 last month, he went back to tx last year a couple days after his 11th birthday, he was 6 when he came to live with us, it was in June so he turned 7 that same year. I think someone had asked earlier if his mother cane to visit him in those 4 years and the answer is one time she did, and that was shortly after he came to live with us, the last 3 years no she didn't see him.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:47 AM
So what else besides large quantities of say lighter fluid could you buy at a grocery to burn a body and alarm someone at the store that your purchase indicates a crime?


Watch this video, it talks about the camera others have told me but doesn't talk about it in the story, i can't watch it tonight though

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

Cubby
12-29-2010, 02:47 AM
I think the calls to the mom were real.. at least as far as the mother and co worker knew..... i'm not discounting the stepfather or roommate/friend made them though.



I'm thinking along the same lines.... but if it is confirmed the coworker did in fact speak to Jonathon - that puts an entirely different spin on this for me.

Also, the body found in the bayou. I still have to look for more MSM (haven't read much on that) but after spending so much time in our UID forum - it is not uncommon for a blanket statement such as gender -or age etc. has not been released. Without seeing more (for myself) it is a stretch to presume the remains had been there for a length of time or were too badly decomposed to determine gender or race.


The calls were apparently made from the home mom had moved into with Jonathan (IIRC) to her employer and then she called home and the woman with the raspy voice answered.... LE should be able to or have already confirmed those calls. The question I have is who was mom staying with... what kind of visitors did that apartment owner have.... who else has recently been reported missing..... I am going to have to open a thread in the UID forum for the body found in the bayou if one isn't started. Will do that later this evening or in the morning as it is getting late. I will link that thread here so anyone wanting to follow the two cases concurrently to see if there is a possible connection may.

all jmo of course

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:47 AM
It's ok I'm not mad, there's to much madness in this world already, obviously otherwise this forum wouldn't be here

Bless your heart... you and your family, as well as, Jonathan are in my prayers.

Soulmagent
12-29-2010, 02:48 AM
According to articles posted here the second call was the mom returning the call to her home because of the hang up.

The voice was heard in both calls and the co worker stated a woman got on the phone saying it was an emergency.

noZme
12-29-2010, 02:48 AM
Renee, Thanks for sticking with us. My heart is breaking for you tonight, do you have to work again tomorrow?

Kimster
12-29-2010, 02:49 AM
:hug: Reneeloveyou :hug:

krista
12-29-2010, 02:49 AM
Reneelovesyou, I don't know if you can say, but did you know Mr Davis personally and, if so, what does he do for a living and what is his personality like?

Really praying for your family. So incredibly devastating.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:49 AM
You should try to get some sleep too Renee

SuziQ
12-29-2010, 02:49 AM
Hubby's sleeping right now. Weve been together for 7 years and I've never seen him cry so much. Me I'm not the type to let others see me emotional, today was different though cause my coworkers seen it more then once, I work in a hospital here and my patients thought I had a cold. I am staying "strong" for the sake of my children right now, I don't want them knowing about the possibility of it being Jonathan until we know for sure, then if it does turn out that body is Jonathan I will have to give them that news. Jonathan just turned 12 last month, he went back to tx last year a couple days after his 11th birthday, he was 6 when he came to live with us, it was in June so he turned 7 that same year. I think someone had asked earlier if his mother cane to visit him in those 4 years and the answer is one time she did, and that was shortly after he came to live with us, the last 3 years no she didn't see him.

I am so sorry you and your family are going through this. How is grandma holding up?

Cubby
12-29-2010, 02:51 AM
It's happening to me too.



me too up until this post.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:52 AM
I'm thinking along the same lines.... but if it is confirmed the coworker did in fact speak to Jonathon - that puts an entirely different spin on this for me.

Also, the body found in the bayou. I still have to look for more MSM (haven't read much on that) but after spending so much time in our UID forum - it is not uncommon for a blanket statement such as gender -or age etc. has not been released. Without seeing more (for myself) it is a stretch to presume the remains had been there for a length of time or were too badly decomposed to determine gender or race.


The calls were apparently made from the home mom had moved into with Jonathan (IIRC) to her employer and then she called home and the woman with the raspy voice answered.... LE should be able to or have already confirmed those calls. The question I have is who was mom staying with... what kind of visitors did that apartment owner have.... who else has recently been reported missing..... I am going to have to open a thread in the UID forum for the body found in the bayou if one isn't started. Will do that later this evening or in the morning as it is getting late. I will link that thread here so anyone wanting to follow the two cases concurrently to see if there is a possible connection may.

all jmo of course

Will one be started for the baby girl found next to the dumpster??

JenRen
12-29-2010, 02:52 AM
It's ok I'm not mad, there's to much madness in this world already, obviously otherwise this forum wouldn't be here

I wish forums like this one had no reason to exist.

I can not express how sorry I am that your family has to experience a situation as worrisome and agonizing as this. Every time I read that he said "yes ma'am" over the phone, it breaks my heart. He sounds like a very sweet and respectful young boy. I'm starting to tear up again so I'm going to just say that my thoughts and prayers are with your family tonight.

/sending you hugs

Soulmagent
12-29-2010, 02:52 AM
Can someone post a bing image of the area ? I do not know how to post large images only small ones no one can see . Not helpful. I want to see if bing has a more recent shot of the culvert than google.

A_News_Junkie
12-29-2010, 02:52 AM
Can anyone repost the picture of DD again? I think he looks an awful lot like this RSO, but I'd like to see DD's pic again. Thank you!

ETA: I found it here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5939586&postcount=88) but after looking again, I don't believe it's the same person. Hard to believe there are two people in Texas with that same exact name, but I think there must be.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/daviddavissame-2.jpg
SO on left.
DD on right.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 02:53 AM
http://www.khou.com/news/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html
in this video the reporter stated at the beginning that Police got a big break in the case with a consent to pick up some clothing in a far NE Houston home. Then towards the end said "Police source said at least one person very close to JF and knew him well is responsible."

Ok so Far NE Huston, the mom and SD doesn't live in far east houston who does? Renee can you tell us who lives in that area?

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:54 AM
Can someone post a bing image of the area ? I do not know how to post large images only small ones no one can see . Not helpful. I want to see if bing has a more recent shot of the culvert than google.

here is yahoo pic, it's the only link i haven't closed yet sorry don't know how to post pic

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Top-Stories-Photos-Police-investigate-scene-burned-body-found-ditch-along-1500-block/ss/705/im:/101229/480/urn_publicid_ap_org14d246ededf64d03beea5d2c57e5105 a/

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 02:55 AM
I can't say why they didnt live together, I have no idea where the video game was, I believe from what my husband told me was that Jonathan was at his moms house playing video games. I have my own theories but I don't want to make people that know my MIL mad so I will keep them to myself. I also don't consider his mothers husband to be his step dad, they were married after Easter, at that time Jonathan still lived with his granny, remember he just moved in with his mom last month. I know that Angela has known her husband for over a year but over a year ago he was living with us, I don't think that just because ur mom marries someone that, that person automatically becomes ur step parent, they need to prove that they r worthy of being as such. The way he speaks of Jonathan in that video really made me angry, u don't speak like that about a missing child that ur supposedly this loving father figure to.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 02:55 AM
According to this video (you have to watch the video, because it's not included in the article...crazy as it seems...)...here:

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html

they show a pic of a camera that, to me, does not appear to be from a grocery store.

Also according to this video the police "got consent to search and pickup some clothing in a home in far NE Houston."

Far NE Houston is not close to where Jonathan was last seen.

Then at the very end of the video the reporter states the video camera at the remains site gave LE evidence that led them to the house in far NE Houston.

peeples
12-29-2010, 02:56 AM
http://www.khou.com/news/Authorities-search-for-missing-12-year-old-Houston-boy-112505914.html
in this video the reporter stated at the beginning that Police got a big break in the case with a consent to pick up some clothing in a far NE Houston home. Then towards the end said "Police source said at least one person very close to JF and knew him well is responsible."

Ok so Far NE Huston, the mom and SD doesn't live in far east houston who does? Renee can you tell us who lives in that area?

Grandma and the friend that lives next door to grandma live over that way don't they? And since Jonathan lived with grandma for a year people on that side of town know him or he's known to them and vice versa...

KT Can
12-29-2010, 02:57 AM
I'm not much for speculating and I definitely don't like to be part of rumors, however being local and knowing this particular area as well I do, the location of this baby boy's disappearance and the location on Hardy Road is an area that would be, how shall I say...within the neighborhood. Of course it's technically not a "neighborhood", but these locations are all considered the part of the same hood if you know what I mean. These are the streets I ran growing up. I had friends on both streets, on both sides of I-45, and in between. I guess what I am saying is that if this does turn out to be this baby boy then someone didn't really stray very far from their comfort zone. As for the businesses on Hardy, and again I am just catching up and don't know all of the details, I wouldn't be surprised if LE was able to get video from some of them. Lots of businesses on Hardy and not a lot of housing, plus this area is old with no new construction, all this makes for lots of crime. Lots of machine shops and manufacturing plants and such, and with the epidemic of stealing metal for scrap that we have been having these past fews years I think everyone is starting to be on top of their security. Sorry, just rambling...trying to catch up....

Cubby
12-29-2010, 02:58 AM
Will one be started for the baby girl found next to the dumpster??



There could be, but honestly, and this is horrible to say, newborns that get tossed we don't see too many threads for, and the ones that do there is very little activity or info to work with. Sadly, there are some of those cases listed at DoeNetwork...... and I think, unless they find the birth mother quickly many go unsolved. :(

sorry for the bit of ot above.....

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 02:58 AM
I can't say why they didnt live together, I have no idea where the video game was, I believe from what my husband told me was that Jonathan was at his moms house playing video games. I have my own theories but I don't want to make people that know my MIL mad so I will keep them to myself. I also don't consider his mothers husband to be his step dad, they were married after Easter, at that time Jonathan still lived with his granny, remember he just moved in with his mom last month. I know that Angela has known her husband for over a year but over a year ago he was living with us, I don't think that just because ur mom marries someone that, that person automatically becomes ur step parent, they need to prove that they r worthy of being as such. The way he speaks of Jonathan in that video really made me angry, u don't speak like that about a missing child that ur supposedly this loving father figure to.

I totally agree!!! And to say those hurtful things around a wife you love, that is callous and unempathetic.

SuziQ
12-29-2010, 03:00 AM
Also according to this video the police "got consent to search and pickup some clothing in a home in far NE Houston."

Far NE Houston is not close to where Jonathan was last seen.

Then at the very end of the video the reporter states the video camera at the remains site gave LE evidence that led them to the house in far NE Houston.

License plate led them to an address maybe?

peeples
12-29-2010, 03:00 AM
There could be, but honestly, and this is horrible to say, newborns that get tossed we don't see too many threads for, and the ones that do there is very little activity or info to work with. Sadly, there are some of those cases listed at DoeNetwork...... and I think, unless they find the birth mother quickly many go unsolved. :(

sorry for the bit of ot above.....

Thanks for being honest. I'm hoping they will find her because it's a gated need a key to get in type trash area... so someone that lives there is the mother.
Sorry for the OT!

debirlfan
12-29-2010, 03:00 AM
Let's assume for a moment that the calls were real. What do they tell us?

Did coworker recognize JF's voice? If so, was that because he had a habit of calling? If he were a "pest" so to speak and called often and bothered his mother while she was working, perhaps her initial assumption might have been "there's no real problem."

From what's been reported, RVW (raspy voiced woman) asked JF if A was his mother. That would indicate that she didn't know the mother. JF supposedly said "Yes, ma'am."

Now, I know the south is different, but around here (Connecticut), 12 yr old boys don't generally call people ma'am. (perhaps the aunt could comment regarding whether that would have been normal for him?) Might that suggest that RVW was an older woman? Or maybe it means he didn't know her name?

And some further thoughts. If there is a roommate, is that a reference to the step dad? If not, is roommate male or female? If female, did she have a boyfriend? Who else had access to the apartment? Was the door kept locked? Did mom/step dad/person she was living with have a drug problem (which could have resulted in other unsavory types being in/around the house? Was JF left alone regularly, and if so, who knew about it? Why were mom and step dad living apart? (Given that she was living in the same complex, I do wonder if they had a tiff over something and she was staying with a friend for awhile.)

Assuming the phone calls are legit, I don't think the step dad would have had time to do anything with the boy. (That is further assuming that the police know his whereabouts over the time since the abduction, and that there are no large blocks of time where is is unaccounted for.)

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:00 AM
Grandma and the friend that lives next door to grandma live over that way don't they? And since Jonathan lived with grandma for a year people on that side of town know him or he's known to them and vice versa...

That is what I'm thinking too

Melanie
12-29-2010, 03:02 AM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/daviddavissame-2.jpg
SO on left.
DD on right.

Thanks so much for posting this. I'd love to see a picture of the SD on the right facing front (vs. the side). The nose is similar, but with the hat and darkness, it's hard to tell.

I agree about the ears being different, but a picture straight on would probably make them seem flat in appearance.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Thanks again!

Mel

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 03:02 AM
Renee, what do you think may of happened? I am asking you because you know the mom and the family dynamics. We have heard some mistruths and that always worries us.

Hi Bratti: I have tried continuously to quote you on the local neighbor commenting on the body found floating being female and for some reason it won't let me. To make a long story short I cannot find the story with the comments... Do you remember what site it was on? There were a lot of comments.

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 03:03 AM
The whole yes ma'am is something big in our household, all my children speak that way, Jonathan was taught and treated just like my own children. I thankfully don't have to work in the am now that its after midnight. I have plenty of time to rest later. I do not know who lives in se houston. I have been to Houston one time in my life and I'm 30, that was 7 years ago in novemeber, I went to angelas house in Texas city for thanksgiving that year, first time I met Jonathan.

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 03:03 AM
I can't say why they didnt live together, I have no idea where the video game was, I believe from what my husband told me was that Jonathan was at his moms house playing video games. I have my own theories but I don't want to make people that know my MIL mad so I will keep them to myself. I also don't consider his mothers husband to be his step dad, they were married after Easter, at that time Jonathan still lived with his granny, remember he just moved in with his mom last month. I know that Angela has known her husband for over a year but over a year ago he was living with us, I don't think that just because ur mom marries someone that, that person automatically becomes ur step parent, they need to prove that they r worthy of being as such. The way he speaks of Jonathan in that video really made me angry, u don't speak like that about a missing child that ur supposedly this loving father figure to.

I just want to tell you that I have such admiration for your courage to continue posting here...or anywhere for that matter...and most of all for standing up for Jonathan. I know it might seem like a "given" for people like you, me and the rest of the WS family, but after reading so many tragic stories here, it's not often that I have seen a loving family member post consistent information in defense of the victim...when things start hitting close to home...which I totally understand. I just wanted to let you know that I am praying for you and your family and that your courage and kindness shine through in your posts...hugs to you and yours

Filly
12-29-2010, 03:04 AM
I don't think that just because ur mom marries someone that, that person automatically becomes ur step parent, they need to prove that they r worthy of being as such.

No truer words were ever spoken, Miss Renee. I am so sorry for your worry and pain. Your nephew and your entire family are in my prayers.

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 03:04 AM
Thanks so much for posting this. I'd love to see a picture of the SD on the right facing front (vs. the side). The nose is similar, but with the hat and darkness, it's hard to tell.

I agree about the ears being different, but a picture straight on would probably make them seem flat in appearance.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Thanks again!

Mel

And when you wear a ball cap the ears tend to stick out.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:05 AM
Oh Renee, I was not suggesting the Grandma is a suspect at all but rather someone that lives by her that probably knew Jonathan

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 03:06 AM
I can't say why they didnt live together, I have no idea where the video game was, I believe from what my husband told me was that Jonathan was at his moms house playing video games. I have my own theories but I don't want to make people that know my MIL mad so I will keep them to myself. I also don't consider his mothers husband to be his step dad, they were married after Easter, at that time Jonathan still lived with his granny, remember he just moved in with his mom last month. I know that Angela has known her husband for over a year but over a year ago he was living with us, I don't think that just because ur mom marries someone that, that person automatically becomes ur step parent, they need to prove that they r worthy of being as such. The way he speaks of Jonathan in that video really made me angry, u don't speak like that about a missing child that ur supposedly this loving father figure to.

It seems to me like maybe Grandma is backing her daughter and maybe some people aren't??? When someone lies to LE while they have a missing child it just looks fishy to me. I wouldn't even suspect mom if she had not changed her story around. I never ever want to believe a parent can have anything to do with harming their child but time and time again I have been disappointed lately. I am so sorry that you and your family are going through this, I wish Jonathan was still living with you. 6 weeks with his mom and now he is missing.

Filly
12-29-2010, 03:07 AM
Thanks so much for posting this. I'd love to see a picture of the SD on the right facing front (vs. the side). The nose is similar, but with the hat and darkness, it's hard to tell.

I agree about the ears being different, but a picture straight on would probably make them seem flat in appearance.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Thanks again!

Mel

Mel,

I don't believe that is the same guy. There's so many guys with that name in Texas i couldn't believe it. I backtracked and I think they both share a middle initial but not the same guy.

You know I am be wrong though.:blowkiss:

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 03:09 AM
Hi Bratti: I have tried continuously to quote you on the local neighbor commenting on the body found floating being female and for some reason it won't let me. To make a long story short I cannot find the story with the comments... Do you remember what site it was on? There were a lot of comments.

I saw you looking for it and posted it...post 10 under mine

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7867856

Melanie
12-29-2010, 03:09 AM
I wish forums like this one had no reason to exist.

I can not express how sorry I am that your family has to experience a situation as worrisome and agonizing as this. Every time I read that he said "yes ma'am" over the phone, it breaks my heart. He sounds like a very sweet and respectful young boy. I'm starting to tear up again so I'm going to just say that my thoughts and prayers are with your family tonight.

/sending you hugs

On a personal note, I agree there is too much madness in this world. Why, oh why, would someone want to hurt a precious boy on Christmas Eve? Nothing is sacred anymore - religion, the US Flag, the bible - nothing. And for a madman (or madwoman) to take away the hopes and dreams of Jonathan before a day he was looking so forward to is more evil than I ever care to know.

My heart is breaking....

MOO

Mel

sarx
12-29-2010, 03:10 AM
Mel,

I don't believe that is the same guy. There's so many guys with that name in Texas i couldn't believe it. I backtracked and I think they both share a middle initial but not the same guy.

You know I am be wrong though.:blowkiss:

The upper lips also look very different imo.

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 03:10 AM
Let's assume for a moment that the calls were real. What do they tell us?

Did coworker recognize JF's voice? If so, was that because he had a habit of calling? If he were a "pest" so to speak and called often and bothered his mother while she was working, perhaps her initial assumption might have been "there's no real problem."

From what's been reported, RVW (raspy voiced woman) asked JF if A was his mother. That would indicate that she didn't know the mother. JF supposedly said "Yes, ma'am."

Now, I know the south is different, but around here (Connecticut), 12 yr old boys don't generally call people ma'am. (perhaps the aunt could comment regarding whether that would have been normal for him?) Might that suggest that RVW was an older woman? Or maybe it means he didn't know her name?

And some further thoughts. If there is a roommate, is that a reference to the step dad? If not, is roommate male or female? If female, did she have a boyfriend? Who else had access to the apartment? Was the door kept locked? Did mom/step dad/person she was living with have a drug problem (which could have resulted in other unsavory types being in/around the house? Was JF left alone regularly, and if so, who knew about it? Why were mom and step dad living apart? (Given that she was living in the same complex, I do wonder if they had a tiff over something and she was staying with a friend for awhile.)

Assuming the phone calls are legit, I don't think the step dad would have had time to do anything with the boy. (That is further assuming that the police know his whereabouts over the time since the abduction, and that there are no large blocks of time where is is unaccounted for.)

Yes, we teach good manners here in the south. Yes ma'm/sir is how my children talk to other adults.

Melanie
12-29-2010, 03:12 AM
It seems to me like maybe Grandma is backing her daughter and maybe some people aren't??? When someone lies to LE while they have a missing child it just looks fishy to me. I wouldn't even suspect mom if she had not changed her story around. I never ever want to believe a parent can have anything to do with harming their child but time and time again I have been disappointed lately. I am so sorry that you and your family are going through this, I wish Jonathan was still living with you. 6 weeks with his mom and now he is missing.

I agree. When mom said Jonathan really wasn't with a sitter, my heart dropped. You just can't lie, as the truth will come out. I wonder if both mom and SD have been hooked up to poly's yet -- or lawyered up? Does anyone know?

Best,

Mel

belimom
12-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Does anyone remember the name of the lawnmower company on the t-shirt DD was wearing? I am recalling that correctly, aren't I? If not, then it's way too late and I need to go to bed...! :o

KT Can
12-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Just an FYI..."far northeast Houston" could possibly still be the area off Hardy Road or close to it. To me, and to many here "east" just means east of Interstate 45. Or to some it means east of Hardy Rd/Hardy Toll Road. To others it means east of Highway 59. If you look at a map I45/Hardy/H59 all run parallel to each other going north to south. East is just whatever part of town is to the east of each of those by whoever is talking. Sorry if I just confused you even more...

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 03:13 AM
I still find it odd the way the momma said she went thru the house calling his name and he was nowhere to be found. The words she used are like she is reading written word. I just find it odd.

peeples
12-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Mine do if talking to a stranger or meeting a friends parent for the first time and after that ask the parent what they prefer to be called. 99% of the time the parent says Just call me Mr. ** or call me Mrs. **
So to me i'd interpret this was a stranger... i guess it's difference depending where you live

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 03:15 AM
I agree. When mom said Jonathan really wasn't with a sitter, my heart dropped. You just can't lie, as the truth will come out. I wonder if both mom and SD have been hooked up to poly's yet -- or lawyered up? Does anyone know?

Best,

Mel

I wonder if SD was the babysitter and he got on to her and told her to change her story???

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 03:15 AM
Does anyone remember the name of the lawnmower company on the t-shirt DD was wearing? I am recalling that correctly, aren't I? If not, then it's way too late and I need to go to bed...! :o

check Patty's posts she was digging into that.

maureen718
12-29-2010, 03:17 AM
Renee, (((hopenlove)))

Cubby
12-29-2010, 03:18 AM
Thanks for being honest. I'm hoping they will find her because it's a gated need a key to get in type trash area... so someone that lives there is the mother.
Sorry for the OT!


You're welcome to open a thread in the unidentified forum if you wish... and it is not too ot, as that has been discussed here. I did want to answer your question.


On that note, I did open a thread for the body found in the Buffalo Bayou this morning. Please feel free to discuss the specifics of that case and any possible theories between the two in the UID forum. This way we can keep this thread more on topic, as in the UID forum - lots of possible matches to missing persons cases may be discussed.

Here is the thread for the body found Tuesday am Dec 28, 2010 in the Buffalo Bayou.

TX TX -Houston Body found floating in Buffalo Bayou 28 December 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:19 AM
Just an FYI..."far northeast Houston" could possibly still be the area off Hardy Road or close to it. To me, and to many here "east" just means east of Interstate 45. Or to some it means east of Hardy Rd/Hardy Toll Road. To others it means east of Highway 59. If you look at a map I45/Hardy/H59 all run parallel to each other going north to south. East is just whatever part of town is to the east of each of those by whoever is talking. Sorry if I just confused you even more...

and what if they say "Far" east?

Filly
12-29-2010, 03:19 AM
Yes, we teach good manners here in the south. Yes ma'm/sir is how my children talk to other adults.

Indeed, Stray Kat and Renee.

Not here we don't.;) O.K. we try.;)

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 03:20 AM
My kids speak to any adult with manners, they don't say yep, nope, what, or any of those when speaking to an adult including us. It is yes ma'am, no ma'am, yes sir, no sir or just sir or ma'am. My husband is from tx and that's how he was raised and when we lived in MS it was expected of ur children to speak that way. Also no chewing with ur mouth open, smacking or talking with food in ur mouth. U would not believe the people here in MO when there eating, it's like watching a cow

KT Can
12-29-2010, 03:22 AM
Did I read it right that mom's current husband, aka the stepdad, wasn't living in the home? If not then where was he staying? What part of town? Where did he work? Is he from Houston? What neighborhood did he grow up in? Was he at the house when mom got home and found Jonathan missing? Why did he stop by house if he wasn't staying there? I know, I know, I really need to catch up but y'all are too fast....

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:22 AM
My kids speak to any adult with manners, they don't say yep, nope, what, or any of those when speaking to an adult including us. It is yes ma'am, no ma'am, yes sir, no sir or just sir or ma'am. My husband is from tx and that's how he was raised and when we lived in MS it was expected of ur children to speak that way. Also no chewing with ur mouth open, smacking or talking with food in ur mouth. U would not believe the people here in MO when there eating, it's like watching a cow

I bet it has been a cultural shock for you when you moved there. Parents these days really have a big battle to keep the manners instilled into their children because in school I'm sure 99.9 % don't use manners.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:24 AM
Did I read it right that mom's current husband, aka the stepdad, wasn't living in the home? If not then where was he staying? What part of town? Where did he work? Is he from Houston? What neighborhood did he grow up in? Was he at the house when mom got home and found Jonathan missing? Why did he stop by house if he wasn't staying there? I know, I know, I really need to catch up but y'all are too fast....

married a year, living apart for the past 3 weeks in different apartments but same apartment complex

peeples
12-29-2010, 03:25 AM
Did I read it right that mom's current husband, aka the stepdad, wasn't living in the home? If not then where was he staying? What part of town? Where did he work? Is he from Houston? What neighborhood did he grow up in? Was he at the house when mom got home and found Jonathan missing? Why did he stop by house if he wasn't staying there? I know, I know, I really need to catch up but y'all are too fast....

It was reported in only 1 MSM source stap dad and mom got seperate places 3 weeks ago. From the sounds of it, mom moved into a differant apt. in the same complex it was reported on 1 MSM website mom had a roommate but then those details were pulled from the sight.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 03:26 AM
and what if they say "Far" east?

"Far" NE Houston to me means up 59 towards the Humble area. But I'm very south of town, so what do I know, not much for sure, lol. I rarely roam north of I-10.

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:27 AM
we have no idea if he worked or were, where he was born, where he grew up, does he have kids from a previous marriage, or even married before. All those questions regarding him are not answered for his name is way to common and searching has been a nightmare to locate anything.

Filly
12-29-2010, 03:27 AM
My kids speak to any adult with manners, they don't say yep, nope, what, or any of those when speaking to an adult including us. It is yes ma'am, no ma'am, yes sir, no sir or just sir or ma'am. My husband is from tx and that's how he was raised and when we lived in MS it was expected of ur children to speak that way. Also no chewing with ur mouth open, smacking or talking with food in ur mouth. U would not believe the people here in MO when there eating, it's like watching a cow

Come visit Philadelphia any old time Renee. Chewing with your mouth open whilst walking down the block cursing adults happens daily.;)

Lera213
12-29-2010, 03:28 AM
"Far" NE Houston to me means up 59 towards the Humble area. But I'm very south of town, so what do I know, not much for sure, lol. I rarely roam north of I-10.

Thank you, would Humble be close to an hour's drive to the Home address of the Bio Mom AD and DD?

Filly
12-29-2010, 03:28 AM
we have no idea if he worked or were, where he was born, where he grew up, does he have kids from a previous marriage, or even married before. All those questions regarding him are not answered for his name is way to common and searching has been a nightmare to locate anything.

I was shocked how many people had that same name.

We do know he had a Mercedes though. An older model? Newer?

Soulmagent
12-29-2010, 03:29 AM
Let's assume for a moment that the calls were real. What do they tell us?

Did coworker recognize JF's voice? If so, was that because he had a habit of calling? If he were a "pest" so to speak and called often and bothered his mother while she was working, perhaps her initial assumption might have been "there's no real problem."

From what's been reported, RVW (raspy voiced woman) asked JF if A was his mother. That would indicate that she didn't know the mother. JF supposedly said "Yes, ma'am."

Now, I know the south is different, but around here (Connecticut), 12 yr old boys don't generally call people ma'am. (perhaps the aunt could comment regarding whether that would have been normal for him?) Might that suggest that RVW was an older woman? Or maybe it means he didn't know her name?


And some further thoughts. If there is a roommate, is that a reference to the step dad? If not, is roommate male or female? If female, did she have a boyfriend? Who else had access to the apartment? Was the door kept locked? Did mom/step dad/person she was living with have a drug problem (which could have resulted in other unsavory types being in/around the house? Was JF left alone regularly, and if so, who knew about it? Why were mom and step dad living apart? (Given that she was living in the same complex, I do wonder if they had a tiff over something and she was staying with a friend for awhile.)

Assuming the phone calls are legit, I don't think the step dad would have had time to do anything with the boy. (That is further assuming that the police know his whereabouts over the time since the abduction, and that there are no large blocks of time where is is unaccounted for.)

It could have been Jonathan was forced to call his mom and the woman wanted confirmation Jonathan was Angela's son.

It could indicate Angela's child was targeted for some reason. The woman got on the phone for a reason and told the co worker it was an emergency. Then she answered the phone when Angela called home.

Did Angela make anyone really mad recently? An affiar or money issues? Something someone might want revenge for? Court issues ?

Also where did Angela live before this apartment complex? Or the stepdads, friends or contacts.

KT Can
12-29-2010, 03:32 AM
and what if they say "Far" east?

I myself would consider that the east side of Highway 59. Others might consider that the east side of the Hardy Toll Road.

I need to post a google map because I actually just looked at it and the visual of the locations of the disappearance vs the body vs the far east Houston house is something to see. One street connects them all, easily. Crosstimbers. This looks like a wide span on a map, but as far as someone's stomping grounds goes this is all in the same ballpark, trust me. I'll try to paste a google map, but in the mean time if you go to google maps and just type in east Houston it will bring it up. Follow Crosstimbers from west to east from Garden Oaks to east Houston. Straight shot.

peeples
12-29-2010, 03:33 AM
Have we looked for FB accts or myspace accts I made a snap judgement and assumed it would be pointless however i was just reading something earlier and it said they took a computer from one of the homes.. to check for online predators...so they were online...

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 03:34 AM
Okay, Tim Miller SAYS in this video that "we don't have any other young children missing in the area that we know of...."

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story


That was my fear, that they did NOT know about Jaiden and THAT is the reason they think this body is Jonathan.

TX TX - Jaiden Marin, 4, Houston, 21-Dec-2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 03:34 AM
Thank you, would Humble be close to an hour's drive to the Home address of the Bio Mom AD and DD?

During rush hour times or if there's an accident impacting traffic, yes. Otherwise, I would guess more like 35 - 40 minutes.

peeples
12-29-2010, 03:35 AM
Okay, Tim Miller SAYS in this video that "we don't have any other young children missing in the area that we know of...."

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-missing-boy-and-burned-body-story,0,2652951.story


That was my fear, that they did NOT know about Jaiden and THAT is the reason they think this body is Jonathan.

TX TX - Jaiden Marin, 4, Houston, 21-Dec-2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123596)

does anyone know how to get ahold of him and tell him?????? even with shrinakge, i think the descpritptions match jaiden more...

Melanie
12-29-2010, 03:38 AM
I was shocked how many people had that same name.

We do know he had a Mercedes though. An older model? Newer?

JUST UPDATED (11:00 PM today)

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7868001

Police zeroing in on a suspect. You can see the old mercedes being towed in the video.

Source: Burned body believed to be missing boy

Bless,

Melanie

Melanie
12-29-2010, 03:39 AM
Have we looked for FB accts or myspace accts I made a snap judgement and assumed it would be pointless however i was just reading something earlier and it said they took a computer from one of the homes.. to check for online predators...so they were online...

I've tried FB and MS w/no luck. I'll keep trying though.

MOO

Mel

KT Can
12-29-2010, 03:41 AM
"Far" NE Houston to me means up 59 towards the Humble area. But I'm very south of town, so what do I know, not much for sure, lol. I rarely roam north of I-10.

Lol Prudence...and exactly what I mean when I say we're all weird here because we all consider the same parts of towns different things depending on where we live. I grew up on the northside which is this Garden Oaks/Hardy Road area we've been discussing, I now live in Spring now and my boyfriend lives in Humble. I do not think of Humble as being east Houston, it's either Humble or Atascocita or Lake Houston. But then again it could be considered "far" northeast by some. Who knows, lol.

Cubby
12-29-2010, 03:41 AM
((((((Renee)))))))

My heart is breaking for you. There are no words... just know that WS'rs are the most caring group I've found and if anyone is gonna help bring a child home and find justice it is this group right here.

We are keeping you all in our prayers,

Cubby

Reneeloveyou
12-29-2010, 03:42 AM
I am going to get some rest, I will see u all when I wake upnor if I have any other information. Thank u all and please keep praying and have hope and faith

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 03:43 AM
does anyone know how to get ahold of him and tell him?????? even with shrinakge, i think the descpritptions match jaiden more...

I can email them, if anyone feels it would be productive... I have done it before on other cases. I cannot ask them to search for Jaiden but I can simply say I wanted to make sure they were aware of him due to the proximity to Jonathan's case.

Though, letting the HPD know might be more productive. If THEY are unaware of it that is pretty scary. You would think if they were aware of it they would have mentioned it to Tim "oh and by the way, while you are looking, there is this other kid missing too.." :waitasec: