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Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 09:33 PM
I have always wondered about who told her that he ran home for a game. Most moms don't let their kids leave the house when they are home alone. I wonder who gave him permission to leave?


I let mine out while he's home alone. Granted he has a cell phone and I need to know where he's going. No one else is allowed in when I am not at home.

Bittiness39
12-29-2010, 09:33 PM
Fact: The police did not issue an Amber Alert for three days.
Fact: Mother, Angela Davis, has told conflicting accounts of the day in question. First it was Jonathan went to go get something at the babysitter's house. Then it was she received a mysterious phone call from a raspy voiced woman at her workplace.

[I]"Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.

"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.

Jonathan, who used to live with his grandmother, had moved in with his mother and stepfather at the Villa Nueva apartment complex in the 800 block of Oak in November, the sergeant said."

In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

She lied/fibbed/made up a whole bunch of stuff initally and I would like to know why. Why? Seriously. Shame and embarrassment over leaving the 12 year old at home alone or what else?The truth is, it chaps my hide that she is angry at LE, when it was her fibs that kept LE from issuing an Amber Alert in the first place. There is a reason that for 12 years she wasn't a primary caretaker to her son. Fact. That and her unwavering defense of the SF bother me. I am still, and will always be sorry for what she is going through...but this just reaks of the Haleigh Cummings stuff. Reaks.

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 09:34 PM
the bickering of home versus old home versus new home with roommate/sitter, he ran home he ran to sitters, is exactly my point of why the inaccuracies of where jf was really at is concerning to me.... why so much effort in making up video story to stress jfs place of abduction??? obvious confusion but leaves ya wondering why...imo

See what LE deals with...........

darlin gal
12-29-2010, 09:34 PM
Tks. I am not either. Still somebody had to tell her that Jonathan left the home (her babysitter's home and also her current home) to go to stepdad home for a video. Did stepdad tell her that?
The phone call she received at work, was that from her new home?
The missing phone, also from her new home?
Stepdad seeing Jonathan last, was that at his home?
When Mom went home from work and could not find Jonathan. Did she go to her old home or new home?.
Too many "which home" questions.

Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.
"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.
Jonathan, who used to live with his grandmother, had moved in with his mother and stepfather at the Villa Nueva apartment complex in the 800 block of Oak in November, the sergeant said.
In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.
The stepfather reportedly is the last known person to see Jonathan, he said.



A few minutes later, the mother arrived home, Harris said. Jonathan was gone, and the cordless phone was missing, he said.
Within an hour, relatives called police, Harris said.
"Patrol responds by like 3:30 p.m. and they're there from 3:30 to 4:15 or so," Harris said.
The family was told to go to HPD's station on Mykawa Road to file an official missing child report with the juvenile division. Officers there entered details about Jonathan into the national crime information center database about 9:30 p.m., Harris said.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

orb4me
12-29-2010, 09:34 PM
But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Fosterís disappearance.

i will be right back with the link.:(

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 09:35 PM
My apologies if I offend anyone by saying this...
Seriously, I can't understand why any parent would lie, or not admit to leaving a child home alone during a time such as this. I suppose I don't understand how making up a story trying to keep yourself out of trouble (something so minor) would supersede finding your own child. One would think that a mother whose son is missing would not give a crap what the law thought about leaving him alone at 12 years old, they would care more about the facts.

Any normal parent. But this is a parent who has not had custody for eight years. Who has only had custody for six months. Obviously things are not all okay with this parent. Her behavior and diction make me think learning disabilities/slowness. IMO, she is acting more like a 12 year old child than the parent of one, and CYA is the motive of a 12 year old, often times. Not excusing the behavior, but I don't expect "normal" parenting behavior from this parent. Things are all off kilter from the get-go, and you add the stress and chaos of an abduction... So I can't go by what "I" would do in a situation like this. IMO.

Cubby
12-29-2010, 09:35 PM
While I, too, am annoyed that it took LE so long to put him into the system as a missing person and to issue an Amber Alert, I imagine that they took the 6 hours between 3:30 and 9:30 trying to get the story straight.

It must be difficult these days for the LE to figure out complicated family relationships (Bio mom, Step mom, Step father, bio father) especially with blended families, etc. Add in the fact that the mother was "afraid" to admit that Jonathan was left alone, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

I for one feel badly for the mother and do not think she is involved. Her pain and confusion looks and sounds too genuine to me. If the media reports are to be believed, she is still hoping he is alive and is not accepting the fact that the burned body might be her son's.

My prayers are with Jonathan's extended family-- especially those who raised him for 6 years and showed him such incredible kindness.


I agree. My apologies ahead of time for the following rant. Blended families are nothing new. LE -competent LE - should be trained to deal with complicated things such as working with citizens other than a nuclear family - this is 2010 not 1950.


HPD effed up enormously by waiting 6-7 hours to enter this child into NCIC. It's got me thinking about a case in Chicago a 12 yr old, iirc 12, was not taken seriously as missing and found slain and raped later. CHPD has paid enormously and been scrutinezed to no end. HPD is gonna have some serious revamping of how they handle missing childrens cases as a result of this case and I smell a law suit coming to HPD in this one.


It sure seems tweens and early teens is a dangerous age to be taken seriously by LE when they go missing. We see too many of these cases where little kids are called runaways based on the economical status of their neighborhood and I for one am steamed about it!

end rant.

Redbird
12-29-2010, 09:36 PM
I don't think it has been established that the mother is an addict. I really don't like to see mothers of missing children criticized and beaten up during such a horrendous time in their life. Nobody is perfect. Being faced with your child missing would be a real shock and not a time when someone would watch every word they say, for example saying the word pest being dissected as evidence she is a bad mother or a murderer. The reporting has been atrocious with each reporter not checking facts. Any information we are getting is very sketchy and not to be relied on. I think she should be given our sympathy and support until we learn she doesn't deserve it.

This is moving so fast I have no idea where this comment is going to land.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 09:36 PM
Fact: The police did not issue an Amber Alert for three days.
Fact: Mother, Angela Davis, has told conflicting accounts of the day in question. First it was Jonathan went to go get something at the babysitter's house. Then it was she received a mysterious phone call from a raspy voiced woman at her workplace.

[i]"Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.

"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.

Jonathan, who used to live with his grandmother, had moved in with his mother and stepfather at the Villa Nueva apartment complex in the 800 block of Oak in November, the sergeant said."

In mid-December, Jonathan and his mother moved to a nearby apartment after "mom had some troubles with the stepdad," Harris said.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

She lied/fibbed/made up a whole bunch of stuff initally and I would like to know why. Why? Seriously. Shame and embarrassment over leaving the 12 year old at home alone or what else?The truth is, it chaps my hide that she is angry at LE, when it was her fibs that kept LE from issuing an Amber Alert in the first place. There is a reason that for 12 years she wasn't a primary caretaker to her son. Fact. That and her unwavering defense of the SF bother me. I am still, and will always be sorry for what she is going through...but this just reaks of the Haleigh Cummings stuff. Reaks.


red by me:)

Totally agree!

BOZGAL
12-29-2010, 09:38 PM
I think LE has done a FANTASTIC job. I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt because they have EARNED it. I am not going to second guess anything they have done thus far.

The media reporting on this case...not so much.

ITA with you especially with the obviously muddled circumstances of this case.

JMHO

lisser
12-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Just a thought, could JF have gone to SD's house to get the video game, saw something he should not have seen, ran back to the home where he was staying with mom (Mona or SD went after him to stop him from talking), called mom said it was an emergency, Mona entered the home asked who he was talking to on the phone, he hung up, mom called back, Mona answered and asked who it was, Mona asked JF if AD was his mom. Mona stopped him from talking.
Just my mind trying to figure this out with the information we have.

This seems plausible. Where are DD's, SE's and "Mona"'s residences in relation to each other?

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 09:38 PM
But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Fosterís disappearance.

i will be right back with the link.:(

Houston, we have a problem. Ur reporters suck. :croc:

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 09:39 PM
A few questions if anyone has an answer.

Has it been clarified whether big lady on the tape is the same as the one arrested? It was reported earlier that there was a question about that.

Is Mona the RSO? And has MSM reported that Mona is the one arrested?

TIA.

Mona is the ghost here... is she not? And how is she tied to these parents?

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 09:39 PM
Houston, we have a problem. Ur reporters suck. :croc:
Thanks for the laugh!

twall
12-29-2010, 09:39 PM
:rant:my sentiments exactly... why skew the truth from the start?

I
DO
NOT
UNDERSTAND
IT
AT
ALL
!

further eta.... and warning to any family members but she gets warning calls from her son in the afternoon but doesn't even report him missing until 9:30 pm... and yet wants to say that LE screwed it up. (((where is that rant on rant off smilie? back to interject it because other than sit on my hands that will keep me busy!!!!



here it is...

:rant:

I agree no matter what the circumstances are no one should skew the truth to try and make themselves look better, the important thing is to tell the truth to find the child!

This article states mom called LE within the hour of finding JF gone and LE responded. (was this when she lied to them?) The article goes on to say she was told to go to the juvenile division and report him missing (which I think is wrong) Why couldn't the first responding officers report it to them, is this a jurisdiction thing or what??!! It does not say what time she went to the juvenile division, just that that his information was entered into the database at 9:30 pm.

Amber Alert intentionally delayed

A few minutes later, the mother arrived home, Harris said. Jonathan was gone, and the cordless phone was missing, he said.

Within an hour, relatives called police, Harris said.

"Patrol responds by like 3:30 p.m. and they're there from 3:30 to 4:15 or so," Harris said.

The family was told to go to HPD's station on Mykawa Road to file an official missing child report with the juvenile division. Officers there entered details about Jonathan into the national crime information center database about 9:30 p.m., Harris said

He explained that the decision to hold off issuing an Amber Alert for Jonathan until Tuesday evening was a deliberate strategy by investigators.

Police knew that without a vehicle type or suspect description, a vague alert would generate a flood of information, some of it potentially useful, but much of it simply overwhelming, he said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

An AA was issued early on in the Haleigh Cummings case and there was no vehicle type or suspect description.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 09:42 PM
I am corrected on the time of the mother's report.. thank you all for that..

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 09:42 PM
Houston, we have a problem. Ur reporters suck. :croc:


I think when they report "source close to the case" in THIS case..... the source is actually some guy that happened to be standing NEAR the building that evidence was collected at, the corner store near the crime scene, some guy driving by where the body was found...you get the idea;)

orb4me
12-29-2010, 09:42 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/investigation-missing-houston-year-old-yields-results/


No arrest????? what the h.... is going on?

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 09:43 PM
Monday being the holiday is possible but unlikely IMO since most people around here were off the day of the disappearance, Christmas Eve. I was driving home from my parents about 10PM that evening and hit very heavy rain for several miles along 610 between 59 and 290, a part of that stretch being very, very close to the culvert site so that is why I am thinking a Friday night event at the culvert site is unlikely. I actually think that a Monday night incident could also be possible as that is the day the story broke locally here and there is the possiblilty of panic on the perp(s) part on that day. I do wish HPD would elaborate a little on their physical evidence at the site other than the body itself.

I just wanted to clarify that I was saying the thing about Monday because someone asked why they wouldn't see the body Monday, but would Tuesday. I do agree it is possible that the dumping could have happened Monday night. Maybe they did only see it Tuesday because it wasn't there Monday.

And I'm totally with you on the frustration as we wait for more information on what seem to be key pieces. grrrr.

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 09:44 PM
I think when they report "source close to the case" in THIS case..... the source is actually some guy that happened to be standing NEAR the building that evidence was collected at, the corner store near the crime scene, some guy driving by where the body was found...you get the idea;)

YES! About every ten posts or so I start feeling like the girl in the "Fifty First Dates" movie.............:waitasec:

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 09:44 PM
Any normal parent. But this is a parent who has not had custody for eight years. Who has only had custody for six months. Obviously things are not all okay with this parent. Her behavior and diction make me think learning disabilities/slowness. IMO, she is acting more like a 12 year old child than the parent of one, and CYA is the motive of a 12 year old, often times. Not excusing the behavior, but I don't expect "normal" parenting behavior from this parent. Things are all off kilter from the get-go, and you add the stress and chaos of an abduction... So I can't go by what "I" would do in a situation like this. IMO.

I believe Renee said she had only had him for 6 weeks....6 tiny weeks.

Filly
12-29-2010, 09:44 PM
I don't think it has been established that the mother is an addict. I really don't like to see mothers of missing children criticized and beaten up during such a horrendous time in their life. Nobody is perfect. Being faced with your child missing would be a real shock and not a time when someone would watch every word they say, for example saying the word pest being dissected as evidence she is a bad mother or a murderer. The reporting has been atrocious with each reporter not checking facts. Any information we are getting is very sketchy and not to be relied on. I think she should be given our sympathy and support until we learn she doesn't deserve it.

This is moving so fast I have no idea where this comment is going to land.

Good point Redbird. I see the comment.

I can only speak for myself. I'm not theorizing that Jonathan's mother is an addict. I am theorizing this poor young man saw something he shouldn't have. IMO that's usually drugs.

Again I don't want to beat the woman up. I can't imagine the horror.

orb4me
12-29-2010, 09:44 PM
Houston police struggle to piece together the puzzle of a 12-year-old boy's disappearance from his parents' north Houston apartment on Christmas Eve, as reports surface of breaks in the case -- and even an arrest.

But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Foster’s disappearance.



I lost my post then I lost the link. ackkkkkkkkkkkkk.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 09:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/investigation-missing-houston-year-old-yields-results/


No arrest????? what the h.... is going on?


IMO they are waiting for a positive ID from the ME.

The prosecutor may hold off charging capital murder and hold Mona on a lesser charge until then.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 09:45 PM
I agree no matter what the circumstances are no one should skew the truth to try and make themselves look better, the important thing is to tell the truth to find the child!

This article states mom called LE within the hour of finding JF gone and LE responded. (was this when she lied to them?) The article goes on to say she was told to go to the juvenile division and report him missing (which I think is wrong) Why couldn't the first responding officers report it to them, is this a jurisdiction thing or what??!! It does not say what time she went to the juvenile division, just that that his information was entered into the database at 9:30 pm.

Amber Alert intentionally delayed

A few minutes later, the mother arrived home, Harris said. Jonathan was gone, and the cordless phone was missing, he said.

Within an hour, relatives called police, Harris said.

"Patrol responds by like 3:30 p.m. and they're there from 3:30 to 4:15 or so," Harris said.

The family was told to go to HPD's station on Mykawa Road to file an official missing child report with the juvenile division. Officers there entered details about Jonathan into the national crime information center database about 9:30 p.m., Harris said

He explained that the decision to hold off issuing an Amber Alert for Jonathan until Tuesday evening was a deliberate strategy by investigators.

Police knew that without a vehicle type or suspect description, a vague alert would generate a flood of information, some of it potentially useful, but much of it simply overwhelming, he said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

An AA was issued early on in the Haleigh Cummings case and there was no vehicle type or suspect description.
wait hold up! if at this time Step Dad's car had been missing wouldn't it have been noted??? I want to see this police report!!!![/B]


ie, same car used to dump the body.

I bet it wasn't there at the time and he didn't attest to it... here is the time lag we are looking for... for the crime commission. It was an apartment complex... lotsa cars...

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 09:45 PM
Can we all get updated and on the same page? Maybe others can repost some media links for people who are just coming in? Too much misinformation being posted as facts. If something is just your opinion, please follow with an IMO, MOO, or JMO. Thanks!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

WS is acting up so I can't quote a post. But the mother did lie about the babysitter per Sgt Harris. I am assuming the story about the video is a lie since Jonathan was at home and didn't need to go anywhere to get a video game.

(snip)
Was not with babysitter

Initial reports that Jonathan had disappeared after running home from a babysitter's house to retrieve a video game turned out to be false, Harris said. The boy's mother eventually admitted that Jonathan was not in the care of a babysitter when he disappeared, he said.
"There was some shame and embarrassment about leaving a kid home alone, but it's not unusual for a 12-year-old to be home alone," Harris said.


ITA...Here are the links that I posted earlier today. I'm sorry I can't offer more information, I have been here all day (well, except 1 hour) and can't seem to figure out what's going on...HTH


<snipped>
Source: Woman Arrested in Connection to Missing Child
Source says woman to be charged with murder

Updated: Wednesday, 29 Dec 2010, 2:46 PM CST
Published : Wednesday, 29 Dec 2010, 2:46 PM CS

HOUSTON - A source in the Houston Police Department says a woman is expected to be charged with capital murder in connection to the disappearance of a 12-year-old boy.

The woman, now in custody, is an acquaintance of Jonathan Fosterís stepfather. A second person, a male, is being searched for in connection with the boy's disappearance.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news...-missing-child


UPDATE: A close family friend has been arrested and is expected to be charged with the kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster, a police source close to the investigation said today.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7356276.html


HOUSTON Ė A woman is expected to be charged Wednesday in connection with the disappearance of 12-year-old Justin Foster, police sources said.


The woman, who is not a relative of the boy, was taken into custody Wednesday morning.

Police sources said she was not being cooperative with the investigation, but detectives have collected a considerable amount of evidence linking her to the boyís disappearance.

Investigators could be seen removing evidence from the suspect's home after she was taken into custody Wednesday.

http://www.khou.com/news/HPD-defends...112574489.html


HOUSTON -- A source close to the investigation of the disappearance of a 12-year-boy said Wednesday that a woman has been arrested in connection with the case.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html



local news at noon on abc13...will post link when avail

Grandmother has given authorities dental records

Another day w/out answers for friends / family / neighbors are anxious...memorial out in front of apt complex that "sprung up" last night...

HPD been interviewing mother, SD, neighbors several times...authorities preparing family for worst...



HTH

Patty G
12-29-2010, 09:46 PM
But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Fosterís disappearance.

i will be right back with the link.:(

Ohhhhhhhhhh, you got to be friggin kidding me! WTH!!! :banghead:

Recovering-Lurker
12-29-2010, 09:46 PM
Houston, we have a problem. Ur reporters suck. :croc:

So true! The reporters suck and people have been lying and changing stories from the beginning; not a good combination.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 09:48 PM
so now 'mona' is not even arrested according to "faux news"... (((no water holding in that ship imhoo))..

She IS ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING... OR IN CUSTODY FOR SOMETHING.....and all kinds of murderous looking implements/items to clean up taken from her place.....

Okay... come on MAINSTREAMMEDIA...... take some investigative reporting lessons and get on this story already. A little boy needs your help.


oh yeah...

moo.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 09:48 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/investigation-missing-houston-year-old-yields-results/


No arrest????? what the h.... is going on?

I think they're just playing word games. No arrest for the kidnapping or murder of Jonathan is technically correct. The suspect in custody was arrested on an outstanding warrant. No report yet on what that old charge is.

orb4me
12-29-2010, 09:49 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/video/26314232/index.html


??????

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 09:50 PM
Ok, so now we have no arrest. But we think we still have a "mona". A guy is being searched for maybe. We think the car is impounded, but....we are not sure if it's THE car, and mom and sd have not been cleared. Ok.......clear as mud really.

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 09:52 PM
I think the arrest all hinges on the positive ID. That and they are dipping their line in to catch a bigger fish, maybe. MOO

twall
12-29-2010, 09:53 PM
ok start sleuthing Mona, she has been charged with capital murder!

Woman charged with capital murder in case of missing boy

A family acquaintance has been charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster.

Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, was arrested Wednesday morning at her home, police said.

A break in the case came Nelsonís truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert where a body believed to be Jonathanís was found in the 9900 block of East Hardy on Tuesday.

lots more at link

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

orb4me
12-29-2010, 09:54 PM
But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Foster’s disappearance.

(this says no arrests, I take that to mean no one has been arrested for anything with this case, it was a bs story? Im beat, I cant take no more tonight.)

Once again tx to you all for putting up with my fumbled MS brain.



outstanding warrent? the media does not even give a hoot what they say now, just jabber to keep the focus on them instead of where it should be.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 09:54 PM
Any normal parent. But this is a parent who has not had custody for eight years. Who has only had custody for six months. Obviously things are not all okay with this parent. Her behavior and diction make me think learning disabilities/slowness. IMO, she is acting more like a 12 year old child than the parent of one, and CYA is the motive of a 12 year old, often times. Not excusing the behavior, but I don't expect "normal" parenting behavior from this parent. Things are all off kilter from the get-go, and you add the stress and chaos of an abduction... So I can't go by what "I" would do in a situation like this. IMO.

I have to wonder - she hadn't had the child all this time, and then something changed where she was either allowed, allowed/interested, or approved. I keep thinking that possibly there was "someone" who might take the child back if they found her parenting was lacking (still). Maybe the grandmother? Did that influence her decision to lie about the babysitter's presence? Was it something else?

I guess if she hasn't had the child or wasn't allowed the child all that time (I have no idea which is most accurate) that there was a reason, and it's possible that the reason is that she just sucks at making good workable decisions in life. Obviously she made a mistake lying about the child's real situation - that right there shows that she had poor judgement. So I'm with you - I think that if we expect her to be a normal parent, we're going to be sorely disappointed.

I also suspect that all her bad decisions of the past are going to come to light as this plays out - whether or not they have anything to do with the case. Honestly, I don't care what she did before. If she really was making a real attempt at being a mother for all the reasons we hope she was, possibly moved out from the stepfather to shield her kid from a bad environment, and just made a spectacularly stupid (but possibly typical) mistake in not being able to judge appropriate priorities (missing kid > in trouble with mom about kid) because she's slow, or has something wrong with her that she's overcoming, then fine. But if she did it to protect someone, over the priority of the kid, KatyBarTheDoor!

Cubby
12-29-2010, 09:55 PM
WHAT???????? It is what it is, a lie. I'm not going to make it jump through hoops and run around in circles to become the truth....it was MISLEADING INFORMATION at a crucial time.

yes, technically it was a lie. However, at the time this mother gave the info to LE about the sitter she likely had no idea her son wouldn't be found safely, and after having recently received custody of she was likely afraid of losing custody of him.

So who really effed up here? A scared mother who was embarrased or ashamed/afraid to admit to LE her 12 yr old was left alone? When Harris came out and stated via MSM it was NOT unusual for 12 year olds to be left alone - or for HPD to have sat on their arse for 6-7 hours to enter this child as missing into the NCIC database.

IMO, HPD has a legit reason for the delay on the amber alert, but they have no valid excuse for not entering this child as missing into NCIC earlier. HPD sounds as if they are trying to mesh the issue of the delaying the amber alert and entering the child into NCIC and it aint gonna fly with people intellegent enough to understand the difference between the parameters for an amber alert and entering a child as missing into a database notifying all officers a child is missing.

The kid was missing regardless of whether mom said a sitter was there or not. So why the delay. For all we know LE could have found that child alive if they weren't so damned worried about a yes or no on a baby sitter. Mom was clearly at work, that was no lie so why the delay by HPD?

jmvho

Recovering-Lurker
12-29-2010, 09:55 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 09:56 PM
o

A break in the case came Nelsonís truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert where a body believed to be Jonathanís was found in the 9900 block of East Hardy on Tuesday.



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

REPORTING FROM EARLIER SUCKS, they said she was in SD's Mercedes.

WTH??!?

[to be noted, JF mom says SD/DD took a poly, and he passed.]

Bittiness39
12-29-2010, 09:56 PM
There is a big difference from "Jonathan went to get something from the babysitter's house" to "Angela received a call from work from a "raspy voiced woman." HUGE difference. HUGE!!!!!

Can someone in the know help out with this? Because from where it stands right now, you totally have the mother telling fibs to LE from the beginning about Jonathan's disappearance and then blasting them because they prolly took a hard look at her and the SF as soon as her "story" changed. If you initially lie to the police like that, they are going to look at you early on. And doubt your story. And perhaps not have the necessary information/or doubt that an Amber Alert should be put in place.

This makes NO sense to me. She has had him for 6 weeks and poof he disappears. Her relatives have been raising him the other 12 years...and up until moving in with her, he is fine...?????????

I hate ranting like this. It does no good. He should be at home playing with unwrapped Christmas presents. I hate that his entire family is hurting like this. I truly totally do. But it escapes me why a parent who hasn't been raising her child until about a month ago, would initially lie to police from the jump about his disappearance and unless she was trying to hide something...and by that something I just mean perhaps the reason why she had only recently had that child in her life???? JMO. As always, the victim is all that matters. We are here to sleuth it out and press on for justice no matter where that trail leads. Period.

My condolences to the family. Sincerely. :(

Patty G
12-29-2010, 09:57 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/video/26314232/index.html


??????

I know the only answer I can give you is that news video was at 4:00 PM CST. It's 4 hours later and now FOX reports an article. :crazy:

Patty G
12-29-2010, 09:59 PM
ok start sleuthing Mona, she has been charged with capital murder!

Woman charged with capital murder in case of missing boy

A family acquaintance has been charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster.

Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, was arrested Wednesday morning at her home, police said.

A break in the case came Nelsonís truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert where a body believed to be Jonathanís was found in the 9900 block of East Hardy on Tuesday.

lots more at link

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

I just went to no arrests to capital murder in two blinks! My head hurts.

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 10:00 PM
I just went to no arrests to capital murder in two blinks! My head hurts.

I think THAT was a WS record.............

pufnstuf
12-29-2010, 10:00 PM
the bickering of home versus old home versus new home with roommate/sitter, he ran home he ran to sitters, is exactly my point of why the inaccuracies of where jf was really at is concerning to me.... why so much effort in making up video story to stress jfs place of abduction??? obvious confusion but leaves ya wondering why...imo

And then to have the unmitigated gall to blame the police for not immediately issuing an amber alert.

When one lie is told, then LE have to double and triple check the rest of the "facts." She only has herself (and her husband) to blame for the delays, because they were rooted in her very own lie. What lie could be more damaging than obfuscating the truth of where the child was and who he was with that day?

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Everybody take a screen shot of the recent news JUSY in case it changes.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 10:01 PM
Could just be me, I am having issues today, but I can't find her in any Harris county jail system.

Don't know what to believe anymore, and I want to believe.

Anyone find her yet?

elepher50
12-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Mona's past record:

Andi_Tx
12-29-2010, 10:04 PM
abc13.com has her mugshot and says she has been charged.

so horrible!!!

Chili Fries
12-29-2010, 10:04 PM
Is this her?

http://www.myspace.com/499637200

mydailyopinions
12-29-2010, 10:05 PM
Mona's past record:

Wow!
She's no stranger to the rough stuff..

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 10:05 PM
You know we've seen a lot of police departments doing a good job lately of cutting thru the BS of less than stellar parents, step parents, etc, at least getting someone in jail and charged...as with Zahra, Skelton boys, this case, etc...and none of those LE agencies were dealing with any sort of easy suspects.

(If only Portland could take a cue...)

twall
12-29-2010, 10:06 PM
The way the reporting has been going in this case maybe I should have put allegedly charged with capital murder but then again I am only the messenger so it's not my fault if the information turns out to be wrong! Just don't shoot the messenger!

stormystansel
12-29-2010, 10:07 PM
[QUOTE=A_News_Junkie;5944212]:welcome: to: ALPUJOLS -- last thread closed to fast to welcome you properly!


*****************

Stormy - you rock, out there in the stormy to finally get us some information! Houston media, find her maybe she can show you how it is done! LOL[/Q



I got there..news 2 and channel 13 were both posted outside...and i parked. Had the kids with me and was quickly chastised for doing what they've been told not to do..talking to strangers! Anyways..I spoke with a guy..who is a carnie, but lives there..and is a self proclaimed caretaker..knows everyone, ecspecially the kids. Knew JF. He said he just returned the night before this happened. The mom came to him crying with a stack of fliers pleading for him to help her find her boy..I snapped a few pics....I asked if he knew of an arrest..which is why he ran over to channel 2 news people..he was pretty upset. Area is really shady. Apartments on both sides of the street..the ones called villa nueva and tiffany oaks.

Adrienne37
12-29-2010, 10:07 PM
I agree. My apologies ahead of time for the following rant. Blended families are nothing new. LE -competent LE - should be trained to deal with complicated things such as working with citizens other than a nuclear family - this is 2010 not 1950.


HPD effed up enormously by waiting 6-7 hours to enter this child into NCIC. It's got me thinking about a case in Chicago a 12 yr old, iirc 12, was not taken seriously as missing and found slain and raped later. CHPD has paid enormously and been scrutinezed to no end. HPD is gonna have some serious revamping of how they handle missing childrens cases as a result of this case and I smell a law suit coming to HPD in this one.


It sure seems tweens and early teens is a dangerous age to be taken seriously by LE when they go missing. We see too many of these cases where little kids are called runaways based on the economical status of their neighborhood and I for one am steamed about it!

end rant.

I respectfully disagree because it would be impossible for them to enter this child anywhere if they didn't have the full story about what had transpired. When a parent lies or deliberately withholds information from LE, how can they get an accurate picture in place enough to be able to put that child in NCIC? For all they knew, he was a runaway. If a lawsuit is filed, I don't believe there will be a judge in the state of Texas or anywhere else for that matter that would rule that the Houston Police Department or Harris County Sheriff's Department were anything less than stellar in their handling of this case considering all the circumstances they were provided from the very beginning of this case by the victim's family. It is up to the victim's family to provide truthful information in order for LE to assist them and try to locate that child. Had Jonathan's mother provided truthful information or provided them with all relevant information as to the activities that took place that day, including the truth about him staying with a babysitter, Jonathan could have been entered into the system a long time before he was. I call BS on that.


~JMO~

gitana1
12-29-2010, 10:07 PM
As I've sat here all afternoon watching and reading this case, I have to wonder why they keep saying the perp was in the step-dad's gold mercedes. The SD's car was impounded BEFORE they knew about this lady.

I think the media is confused and making ASSumptions that are NOT true!

Now, the drug connection, that makes sense! That MAY be why the mom and the SD were split up. MAYBE she just found out about his drug use. MAYBE! I've known someone who lived with a guy for two years, got married and after 6 months, found out he'd been using for 10 years!

JMHO
fran

I'm thinking, if unrelated people are involved, that it was likely drug related. I agree. However, they could have impounded the car before they knew who the suspect was. With a step-dad and inconsistencies they likely felt they had to impound SD's vehicle just to be safe. If they then viewed a video showing that same car with a recognizable woman in it, near the sight the body was dumped, or buying accelerant, then it makes sense.



Good question.... right now, I have a bottle of Pinot Grigio ready to have my crow with. Well, actually, I was on the fence about Mom's knowledge/involvement, but I must admit her constant confusion and story changes caused me to question her A LOT!!! I will apologize in full if needed. I have a really bad feeling about what we are going to hear about this case. Poor little guy. Reneelovesme.... you still here??? Oh, how I wish none of this was happening, and I wish SO bad that you and your family were not having to go thru this.


im atm thinkin the babysitter story was not a lie out of embarrasment it was a lie due to ad not wanting anyone to know the connection and dynamics of the two houses for cya reasons.... she says the sitters house which is HER house and I think she is making stories to why jf was exposed to ugly that day....not saying she is involved, just shes steady cya and adding to the confusion ....maybe protecting the sf and his poss involvment


While I, too, am annoyed that it took LE so long to put him into the system as a missing person and to issue an Amber Alert, I imagine that they took the 6 hours between 3:30 and 9:30 trying to get the story straight.

It must be difficult these days for the LE to figure out complicated family relationships (Bio mom, Step mom, Step father, bio father) especially with blended families, etc. Add in the fact that the mother was "afraid" to admit that Jonathan was left alone, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

I for one feel badly for the mother and do not think she is involved. Her pain and confusion looks and sounds too genuine to me. If the media reports are to be believed, she is still hoping he is alive and is not accepting the fact that the burned body might be her son's.

My prayers are with Jonathan's extended family-- especially those who raised him for 6 years and showed him such incredible kindness.


from the get go... from early videos... she has been saying different things. I do not have the links... but from reading this case early on she was all over the place... whether that was the fault of the media, etc... I am not so sure.

I am not saying she is outright lying but from her portrayals in the media I am sure going to go share the salt block with my cows tonight! (but I will have something to chase it with.. sorry cows! Humans get all the treats)

And no.

I do not believe that this mother was clueless right now. But just from what I have witnessed.

I have a big hat and can take bites at any time... I hope I have to.... to be honest with you



HPD has said the mother basically intentionally misrepresented where he was because she was embarrassed he was home alone. (And I don't think she should've been. Plenty of 12 year olds stay home alone for small stretches of time.)


Assuming you are not dealing with drug use, mental illness, being a social outcast, prior run-ins with the law, guilt, or some other form of impairment.... People cover up through omission all the time. AD and DD remind me of parents that I have worked with as a teacher. Trying to get to the bottom of why a kid is absent can take a lot of sleuthing with some parents... Just my opinion, based on experience.

I understand why some would feel hinky about mom. She looks upset in videos but there are no real tears and her body language and mannerisms seem quirky to me.

However, I agree with those who feel there may be another explanation. Mine is this: Mom has not really raised this sweet, little boy. he was with his auntie Renee for several years, then "back" with grandma, IIRC, then only with mom for one month. Renee states mom only saw the child once in all the years Renee raised him. Maybe she is not as attached to Jonathan as many mothers would be. She may be feeling extremely guilty. Perhaps people have criticized her for not "doing right" by her son, not raising him, etc. Or perhaps they expressed doubts about her reclaiming her son. Rumor has it that she has a problem with telling the truth. Maybe she's just not that responsible in general but wanted to prove that she is a good parent and has cleaned up her act.

Then, only one month after she reclaims her son, he goes missing on her watch. Given the above, her first response may have been fear of being blamed for not being a good mom, responsible enough, protective enough. Not wanting to face the wrath of people who doubted her abilities, she lies. Anyhow, as it stands, from what is being reported, much of what she said has been confirmed to some degree and Jonathan's mom is not considered to be involved right now in a direct, criminal way.


If you watch the video with the woman being taken into custody, there is a garage or some other 'out' building. It's the one I posted with the black smoke-like marks on the outside (or at least that's what they seem to me). THAT'S where I think the burning took place.

Can you please post a link for the video! I have looked and looked. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!


[quote=nursebeeme;5944512]but why does "mona" do what she is alleged to do?

for all whats there are whys.

What is the why in this case?[/quot

My thoughts too, what is the motive?

Possibly drug related revenge? Debt stuff? Who knows what people on speed are capable of, if that's what's involved. And just looking at some of the players in this case, I'm sensing some drug use here. Mannerisms, etc.



Where does the guy they are looking for come in?

Perhaps he was seen in the Mercedes that, IIRC, was caught on video either at the dump site or where someone may have been buying something incriminating. All we know from reports is that a vehicle MAY have been caught on surveillance tape, connecting someone who may have been held for questioning. Maybe there were two people in the video?

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:08 PM
So true! The reporters suck and people have been lying and changing stories from the beginning; not a good combination.

This is very surprising to me. It's not like it's some podunck backwater town. It's freakin Houston! A major city! I've seen news in some small towns but the larger cities always seem so much more professional. At least that's how it is here in the east.:waitasec:

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:09 PM
Mona's past record:

Looks like she has committed a crime in 26 years IF I am reading the record correctly.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 10:09 PM
Can we get a link or a screen cap of her picture/mug shot, please?

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:09 PM
Is this her?

http://www.myspace.com/499637200

She is the spitting image of the woman in the video, the one not handcuffed, but the evidence taken and going downtown. She even wears her hat the same, has the same type of white hat in one of her mobile phone pictures, etc etc etc.

elepher50
12-29-2010, 10:09 PM
ABC13 mugshot:

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 10:10 PM
Mona was a professional heavyweight boxer...really!

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

Chili Fries
12-29-2010, 10:10 PM
Is this her?

http://www.myspace.com/499637200

Quoting myself but after seeing the mugshot I'm sure it's her. Here is the direct link to her Myspace pics:

http://www.myspace.com/499637200/photos

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:10 PM
Does anyone have a link to today's video with mom at her doorway?

twall
12-29-2010, 10:10 PM
abc13.com has her mugshot and says she has been charged.

so horrible!!!

Is it current? I didn't look yet and haven't had time to view any media with her in it yet so I don't know what she looks like.
Here is the link to search the inmates at the Harris Co. jail.
I did not find her, there may be a lag from the time she is charged until she is booked and shows on the site.

http://apps.jims.hctx.net/sopublic/

eta: nothing on Vinelink for her either

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:11 PM
Mona was a professional heavyweight boxer...really!

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

I find that very believeable!

ETA: Yikes! She was born exactly 3 days before me!

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 10:12 PM
Quoting myself but after seeing the mugshot I'm sure it's her. Here is the direct link to her Myspace pics:

http://www.myspace.com/499637200/photos

She has a picture with the mayor of Houston... :thud:

stormystansel
12-29-2010, 10:12 PM
And some others that were shut down recently..code violations..is being turned into a rehab..(nice) I'm not real sure what all i can say just yet on here???

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:12 PM
ABC13 mugshot:


Same hairstyle: http://www.myspace.com/499637200/photos/14556353#{%22ImageId%22%3A15448780} It's not a usual hairstyle, either.

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 10:12 PM
WTF is she smirking??????????????? They always smirk.

Penelope
12-29-2010, 10:12 PM
I agree. My apologies ahead of time for the following rant. Blended families are nothing new. LE -competent LE - should be trained to deal with complicated things such as working with citizens other than a nuclear family - this is 2010 not 1950.


HPD effed up enormously by waiting 6-7 hours to enter this child into NCIC. It's got me thinking about a case in Chicago a 12 yr old, iirc 12, was not taken seriously as missing and found slain and raped later. CHPD has paid enormously and been scrutinezed to no end. HPD is gonna have some serious revamping of how they handle missing childrens cases as a result of this case and I smell a law suit coming to HPD in this one.


It sure seems tweens and early teens is a dangerous age to be taken seriously by LE when they go missing. We see too many of these cases where little kids are called runaways based on the economical status of their neighborhood and I for one am steamed about it!

end rant.

I totally understand and agree with your rant -- especially regarding LEs response. If an Amber Alert or some other kind of public alert had been put out by the police on Christmas Eve, maybe there would have been a different ending to this-- who knows. It always amazed me how many caring people there are in the world who would maybe have given up Christmas day to do a door-to-door and property-yo-property search for him (ala Lacey Peterson). We'll never know.

Regarding the mother, there is something "hinky" about her-- be it substance abuse, spousal abuse, intelligence limitations, inexperience as a mother, lack of mothering skills-- but she seems to be genuinely broken up about this. I cannot judge her reaction because i don't know how I would react in such a situation. She made some BIG mistakes and those mistakes delayed the search. I hope she wasn't involved.

A_News_Junkie
12-29-2010, 10:13 PM
Houston police struggle to piece together the puzzle of a 12-year-old boy's disappearance from his parents' north Houston apartment on Christmas Eve, as reports surface of breaks in the case -- and even an arrest.

But a spokesman from the Houston Police Department told FoxNews.com that no arrests have been made, disputing some local reports that a woman was in custody in connection to Jonathan Fosterís disappearance.



I lost my post then I lost the link. ackkkkkkkkkkkkk.

Here ya go!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/investigation-missing-houston-year-old-yields-results/#ixzz19YRTR2W2

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:13 PM
Mona photo

Eyewitness News has learned that a female suspect has been charged with capital murder in connection with the disappearance and death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster. He had been missing since Christmas Eve. The Harris County District Attorney's Office told us they have accepted charges for capital murder for Mona Nelson. The office said they will request no bond. 2010.12.29 at 08:06 PM CST

http://www.abc13now.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=25&nid=33398521&cid=58&scid=-1&ith=0&title=Local+Headlines

dreamweaver
12-29-2010, 10:13 PM
http://www.womenboxing.com/biog/mmcgowan.htm
This has a reference to a Mona N of Houston... she is or was a boxer.

Her name is listed about 2/3 of the way down the page.

If this is her, she must be a pretty strong woman.

pufnstuf
12-29-2010, 10:14 PM
http://www.myspace.com/499637200

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 10:14 PM
I respectfully disagree because it would be impossible for them to enter this child anywhere if they didn't have the full story about what had transpired. When a parent lies or deliberately withholds information from LE, how can they get an accurate picture in place enough to be able to put that child in NCIC? For all they knew, he was a runaway. If a lawsuit is filed, I don't believe there will be a judge in the state of Texas or anywhere else for that matter that would rule that the Houston Police Department or Harris County Sheriff's Department were anything less than stellar in their handling of this case considering all the circumstances they were provided from the very beginning of this case by the victim's family. It is up to the victim's family to provide truthful information in order for LE to assist them and try to locate that child. Had Jonathan's mother provided truthful information or provided them with all relevant information as to the activities that took place that day, including the truth about him staying with a babysitter, Jonathan could have been entered into the system a long time before he was. I call BS on that.


~JMO~

The Thank You button just didn't cover how much I agree with your post.

elepher50
12-29-2010, 10:14 PM
Chilifrie: my quote button won't work ... sorry,

http://www.myspace.com/499637200

Yes, this would be her imo:

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:15 PM
This is very surprising to me. It's not like it's some podunck backwater town. It's freakin Houston! A major city! I've seen news in some small towns but the larger cities always seem so much more professional. At least that's how it is here in the east.:waitasec:

The problem with the Chronicle is that for a major city, we only have ONE newspaper; there is no competition. On the news stations, well - I don't know what's happened there. lol Just the rush to get the story out first, facts be darned.

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:15 PM
abc13.com has her mugshot and says she has been charged.

so horrible!!!

This is so weird..that was updated about 10 minutes ago! It is so strange how the different outlets have completely different stories. But this one says it was confirmed by the DAs office...Capital Murder.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 10:15 PM
she may have broken in and claimed mom said it was okay to take the tv...maybe the kid was hiding and calling mom when the phone was taken from him

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:16 PM
The problem with the Chronicle is that for a major city, we only have ONE newspaper; there is no competition. On the news stations, well - I don't know what's happened there. lol Just the rush to get the story out first, facts be darned.

True...I guess if I scrutinized a major story in Philly I would find different versions from different outlets. It's amazing though.

dreamweaver
12-29-2010, 10:16 PM
http://www.iwbfboxing.net/pageID_1545638.html
She has been ranked number 5 at one time, in boxing world.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:17 PM
http://www.womenboxing.com/biog/mmcgowan.htm
This has a reference to a Mona N of Houston... she is or was a boxer.

Her name is listed about 2/3 of the way down the page.

If this is her, she must be a pretty strong woman.

On the boxing site, they showed her as being 201 pounds. I find it odd that on her myspace, she doesn't mention being into boxing - no boxing pictures/stuff in the background, so who knows if it is the same woman. But the myspace-mona looks exactly like the video woman.

Edit: I take it back - her myspace says she loves to work out, in interests.

peeples
12-29-2010, 10:17 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she's possibly gay and this had something to do with Jonathans mom moving in with the roommate, I believe Joanthans's mom is obviously straight and her relationship with the roommate was strictly platonic, but i'm not so sure Mona believed that and flipped out or something, or Maybe mona is straight and mona and SD got busted together by Jonathan.. I don' tknow...those are the only 2 motives i can think of right now...

Kimster
12-29-2010, 10:17 PM
She has a picture with the mayor of Houston... :thud:

Is that REALLY the mayor or is she just saying that? If it is...oh boy. That will be a huge media draw.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 10:18 PM
Well, she cant' really talk or plead her way out of this. She is caught on camera. Now it's the waiting of her talking about what happened, and that's if LE even gets the full story and then allows the public to have (per the case.)

This was swift, imo. Thank the Lord for video surveillance!
Now, on to the case for some closure (which is never healing, but can begin the process, imo.)

LandAuxvasse
12-29-2010, 10:19 PM
On the boxing site, they showed her as being 201 pounds. I find it odd that on her myspace, she doesn't mention being into boxing - no boxing pictures/stuff in the background, so who knows if it is the same woman. But the myspace-mona looks exactly like the video woman.

The birth date on the boxing site is hers... 3/5/66

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:19 PM
http://www.myspace.com/499637200

She likes forensic science shows!

hoppyfrog
12-29-2010, 10:19 PM
No name calling, dear posters!

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:19 PM
Everybody take a screen shot of the recent news JUSY in case it changes.

honestly what do they know here?

If I lived in a village and were to go to the sage of all knowledge I would not stop here.

We must go back to what was first reported...visit videos and ferret out the truth that might be out there in the media format.

I also take one hard lesson learned from my true crime author friend. He told me to NEVER EVER PUT MYSELF IN THE MENTAL SHOES OF A MURDERER. He told me that unless I had committed murder myself I would never be able to extrapolate those heavy shoes. And HE IS RIGHT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. So at this point none of us knows what malfeasance and bad connections have led to the death of this child. We are bystanders. Just remember that while digging you may lead to things you cannot relate to or fathom. that is alright. as most of us are not murderers or party to it.

I am just tryijng to pass on a lesson I learned. I hope it was not too gruff and I hope I did my author friend some justice.

Chili Fries
12-29-2010, 10:20 PM
Is that REALLY the mayor or is she just saying that? If it is...oh boy. That will be a huge media draw.

It is the mayor. If you look at Mona's other pictures there is one that says "this is what I come home to" and has a picture of her with a woman so I think it's obvious she's gay. The Mayor, Annise Parker, is an openly gay woman so for most gay people she's undoubtedly an icon.

queenofcorona
12-29-2010, 10:20 PM
Is that REALLY the mayor or is she just saying that? If it is...oh boy. That will be a huge media draw.

That's definitely the mayor of Houston, Annise Parker

Andi_Tx
12-29-2010, 10:20 PM
Is that REALLY the mayor or is she just saying that? If it is...oh boy. That will be a huge media draw.

yep thats mayor Anise Parker, very popular with the gay community in here in Houston

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:21 PM
Is that REALLY the mayor or is she just saying that? If it is...oh boy. That will be a huge media draw.

That's the real mayor; our mayor happens to be a lesbian. Mona is a lesbian and not shy about it. All asides.

Starbucks
12-29-2010, 10:21 PM
Her myspace has malware attached, be careful.

Mayor is not going to be happy about this, and I like this mayor.

Recovering-Lurker
12-29-2010, 10:21 PM
She has a picture with the mayor of Houston... :thud:

Yup. :eek:

http://www.myspace.com/499637200/photos/15448780#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A15448780%7D

http://www.houstontx.gov/mayor/

mydailyopinions
12-29-2010, 10:21 PM
Why? I just don't understand why :(

passionflower
12-29-2010, 10:22 PM
As a boxer would she be into steroids???? abuse certain drugs?

KR2tonenow
12-29-2010, 10:23 PM
I'm still stuck on why would Mona burn poor J? Is she a RSO?

Starbucks
12-29-2010, 10:23 PM
I think it is the same person, even in this city, there can't be two...

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:24 PM
As a boxer would she be into steroids???? abuse certain drugs?

Possibly. But a non-boxer could abuse certain drugs, too, so it's still all up in the air.

Added: if so, effects include masculine effects including voice changes, and body hair increases, and baldness. Excessive use can cause mood issues, and hostility, and a "sense of invincibility" according to livestrong.com's article (source: http://www.livestrong.com/article/197919-side-effects-of-steroids-for-women/ )

Does that seem to fit? Yes, but then again she is into working out, and might just have the body type. For all we know, she might be really into having an ultra-clean-running body and completely anti-drug. For that matter, we dont' KNOW for sure that suspected-Mona is boxer-Mona.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:24 PM
connections... make sure they are made within the tos here.

((this can be potentially explosive so please do so with verve and caution))

elepher50
12-29-2010, 10:24 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she's possibly gay and this had something to do with Jonathans mom moving in with the roommate, I believe Joanthans's mom is obviously straight and her relationship with the roommate was strictly platonic, but i'm not so sure Mona believed that and flipped out or something, or Maybe mona is straight and mona and SD got busted together by Jonathan.. I don' tknow...those are the only 2 motives i can think of right now...

I think Mona is totally in love with a woman by the name of Star...so still don't know the connection as to why Jonathan came into the mix.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 10:25 PM
I'm not convinced that myspace page is the woman who was arrested. She looks too young.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 10:25 PM
I'm still stuck on why would Mona burn poor J? Is she a RSO?


seems to me, she's a run of the mill thug.

I doubt she's into little boys

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:25 PM
honestly what do they know here?

If I lived in a village and were to go to the sage of all knowledge I would not stop here.

We must go back to what was first reported...visit videos and ferret out the truth that might be out there in the media format.

I also take one hard lesson learned from my true crime author friend. He told me to NEVER EVER PUT MYSELF IN THE MENTAL SHOES OF A MURDERER. He told me that unless I had committed murder myself I would never be able to extrapolate those heavy shoes. And HE IS RIGHT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. So at this point none of us knows what malfeasance and bad connections have led to the death of this child. We are bystanders. Just remember that while digging you may lead to things you cannot relate to or fathom. that is alright. as most of us are not murderers or party to it.

I am just tryijng to pass on a lesson I learned. I hope it was not too gruff and I hope I did my author friend some justice.

I always climb WAY out of the box and start peeking inside to see what I can find. :)

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 10:26 PM
I believe Renee said she had only had him for 6 weeks....6 tiny weeks.

6 tiny weeks, 3 weeks which were spent apart from her new husband, presumably with Jonathan, because of unamed circumstances.

Not one bit of normalcy there, I am afraid.

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 10:26 PM
Houston media should be embarrassed at the mess they have been made at reporting this case...I am embarrassed to read most of it, even as I know it is probably mostly inaccurate...it's like reading the National Enquirer at the checkout but pretending you're not...

Jolynna
12-29-2010, 10:26 PM
she may have broken in and claimed mom said it was okay to take the tv...maybe the kid was hiding and calling mom when the phone was taken from him

But then why did Mona get on the phone and tell Angela's co-worker that it was an emergency?

Why would Mona want to make SURE Angela knew an emergency was going on in her home? Why wasn't Mona afraid that Angela would call the police? That would be the expected response to being told there was an emergency in your home followed by a hang-up.

Why did Mona answer Angela's phone when Angela called her home after the hang-up? Why would Mona WANT Angela to hear her voice if she was about to do a heinous murder?

If Angela hadn't yet met Mona, would JF have met her? If JF hadn't before met Mona and couldn't identify her why did Mona need to kill him?

moo

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:26 PM
seems to me, she's a run of the mill thug.

I doubt she's into little boys

It makes no sense to me either as Mona really doesn't have a criminal record except for something 26 years ago.

Andi_Tx
12-29-2010, 10:28 PM
so many unanswered questions. im still curious the connection between her and the stepfather...why did JF have to be the victim?? just doesn't make sense at all :(

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 10:28 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

SmoothOperator
12-29-2010, 10:28 PM
Okay Ive been faithfully following this case all day and somehow, someway I still haven't a clue who "Mona" or "Ramona" is??? Or where she came from? I am clueless as to when, where, and how she has appeared in this case???

TIA..

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 10:29 PM
Rolled Alloy, I think.

Kimster
12-29-2010, 10:29 PM
Oh boy. I knew this was going to shock us as much can Sandra Cantu's case. :sigh:

I have no words. None. I'm done.

Pensfan
12-29-2010, 10:30 PM
I ran her criminal record and she has several convictions from 1997-2005 according to Search National Records. Am I allowed to post them?

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 10:30 PM
But then why did Mona get on the phone and tell Angela's co-worker that it was an emergency?

Why would Mona want to make SURE Angela knew an emergency was going on in her home? Why wasn't Mona afraid that Angela would call the police? That would be the expected response to being told there was an emergency in your home followed by a hang up.

Why did Mona answer Angela's phone? Why would Mona WANT Angela to hear her voice if she was about to do a heinous murder?

If Angela hadn't yet met Mona, would JF have met her? If JF hadn't before met Mona and couldn't identify her why did Mona need to kill him?

moo

I think the "emergency" was the swiftness involved in the ambush of JF. The quicker the mom is on the phone to verify she has the right child (if that theory makes sense) the quicker she is in and out.

Of course she took the phone, there no time to wipe it down and put it back.


Wonder if LE ever came out and tested door knobs/window panes for evidence?

stormystansel
12-29-2010, 10:30 PM
She has officially been charged...capital murder....how unbelievably sad..she must have confessed!

lisser
12-29-2010, 10:30 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

Rolled alloy

carbuff
12-29-2010, 10:31 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

It's Rolled Alloy. It's at the corner of East Hardy and Schilder Street, roughly 9900 East Hardy Road.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:31 PM
I always climb WAY out of the box and start peeking inside to see what I can find. :)

peeking in=scary stuff...

I do the same. Not pretty.. this gazing into insanity.

hoppyfrog
12-29-2010, 10:31 PM
DO NOT speculate on the suspect's sex or gender. She has been named as a woman.

DO NOT post something saying "I think this is the same person..." with a link. If you don't know if it is the correct person, do not post it!

JenRen
12-29-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm not convinced that myspace page is the woman who was arrested. She looks too young.

NM!! I was totally wrong!

sarx
12-29-2010, 10:32 PM
friends with certain people that could have her past erased???? like mayor??

JMO, but I really doubt it. To me the picture of her and the mayor looks like nothing more than a photo op, not that they were friends or anything of the sorts. It's not like public officials can background check everyone they come into contact with before they take a picture with them, KWIM?

Kimster
12-29-2010, 10:33 PM
I ran her criminal record and she has several convictions from 1997-2005 according to Search National Records. Am I allowed to post them?

As long as you are sure it is her. Please refer to Hoppyfrog's post above. :hug:

Ransom
12-29-2010, 10:33 PM
It makes no sense to me either as Mona really doesn't have a criminal record except for something 26 years ago.

There are other charges in other jurisdictions in Tx.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:33 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

Rolled Alloys - the business on Hardy Road.

less0305
12-29-2010, 10:34 PM
My head is spinning... So is this Mona Nelson the woman in the big white tee-shirt in earlier video?

passionflower
12-29-2010, 10:35 PM
I am wondering since she is a boxer that she beat Jonathan up so bad and knocked out his teeth. Then she burned him and that is why dental records can't ID him????

Where does Mona work now?
Does Rolled Alley have furnaces???

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:35 PM
JMO, but I really doubt it. To me the picture of her and the mayor looks like nothing more than a photo op, not that they were friends or anything of the sorts. It's not like public officials can background check everyone they come into contact with before they take a picture with them, KWIM?

And a lot of people love this mayor. So if they were near her, they'd likely want a photograph. She's a bit of a celebrity.

SusanB
12-29-2010, 10:35 PM
Hi all, I went to bed, got up, went to work, came home, and still after reading all the posts I am no closer to knowing what the heck happened to Jonathan. The only new addition to the mix is Mona. don't know about her either, as the reporting in this case is ATROCIOUS! They seem to be spewing out any old thing without checking the sources for validity. Frankly, I am tired of this case because nothing to me is believable. Just when I have gotten a hold of a potential scenario - whammo -it's changed again.
All I can see is that this poor young man seemed to be doing well with family for the last eight years, then lives with Mom for 6 weeks - and that quick, he is put into ostensibly precarious situations. There must have been a reason he was not in mom's custody for most of his life.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:35 PM
I ran her criminal record and she has several convictions from 1997-2005 according to Search National Records. Am I allowed to post them?

Does it show her age as 39?

SmoothOperator
12-29-2010, 10:36 PM
Nevermind just found this
Snip~
A family acquaintance has been charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster.
Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, was arrested Wednesday morning at her home, police said.
A break in the case came Nelson’s truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Culvert) where a body believed to be Jonathan’s was found in the 9900 block of East Hardy on Tuesday.
~end snip


so it was not stepdad's car that was seen on surveillance but this woman's?

much more at link
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:36 PM
I am wondering since she is a boxer that she beat Jonathan up so bad and knocked out his teeth. Then she burned him and that is why dental records can't ID him????

Where does Mona work now?
Does Rolled Alley have furnaces???

Right now we don't know if Mona was a boxer.

gypsyblue
12-29-2010, 10:37 PM
sooooooo within minutes she lured him out of the house before mom got home, with no struggle? how? sf? im not understanding....sos

Ms Suzanne
12-29-2010, 10:37 PM
I'm still stuck on why would Mona burn poor J? Is she a RSO?
It's very sad and makes me very angry.Probably to hide his identity or I think most importantly how he died.Like Somer Thompsons mother said about little Somers killer,I hope and pray she or who ever hurt him is locked up if she or someone did this to this poor little boy for a LONG LONG TIME.I do think the death penalty is very very fair.

hoppyfrog
12-29-2010, 10:37 PM
We are not going to discuss this woman's appearance here at WS. We are way above that here.

We don't get to pick what we look like (unless we have as much money as Oprah) and it really has no bearing on the crime or her potential culpability.

stormystansel
12-29-2010, 10:38 PM
Okay Ive been faithfully following this case all day and somehow, someway I still haven't a clue who "Mona" or "Ramona" is??? Or where she came from? I am clueless as to when, where, and how she has appeared in this case???

TIA..

She was a manager at one point at the apts. across the street from jf...and the apts. next to the ones she managed were shut down due to code violations..she did side work also like sheetrock and drug deals for the tiffany oaks..across from jf...i found a great deal out during my visit out there in the weather...very sad!

gitana1
12-29-2010, 10:38 PM
Any normal parent. But this is a parent who has not had custody for eight years. Who has only had custody for six months. Obviously things are not all okay with this parent. Her behavior and diction make me think learning disabilities/slowness. IMO, she is acting more like a 12 year old child than the parent of one, and CYA is the motive of a 12 year old, often times. Not excusing the behavior, but I don't expect "normal" parenting behavior from this parent. Things are all off kilter from the get-go, and you add the stress and chaos of an abduction... So I can't go by what "I" would do in a situation like this. IMO.

I agree.


I don't think it has been established that the mother is an addict. I really don't like to see mothers of missing children criticized and beaten up during such a horrendous time in their life. Nobody is perfect. Being faced with your child missing would be a real shock and not a time when someone would watch every word they say, for example saying the word pest being dissected as evidence she is a bad mother or a murderer. The reporting has been atrocious with each reporter not checking facts. Any information we are getting is very sketchy and not to be relied on. I think she should be given our sympathy and support until we learn she doesn't deserve it.

This is moving so fast I have no idea where this comment is going to land.

But, you are very right! I am not pointing fingers at the mom at all but some of my comments may create assumptions that we should not be making. You are right that we should be more cautious! Thank you.


Mona's past record:

You are on the ball. Thank you!


You know we've seen a lot of police departments doing a good job lately of cutting thru the BS of less than stellar parents, step parents, etc, at least getting someone in jail and charged...as with Zahra, Skelton boys, this case, etc...and none of those LE agencies were dealing with any sort of easy suspects.

(If only Portland could take a cue...)

It's easy with certain suspects. Most crimes like this - missing kids, murdered children- are solved quickly. But some suspects in a minority of cases may be a bit more sophisticated, intelligent, or streetwise. So they cover their tracks a bit better, keep their mouths shut more and have better financial access to high-profile, qualified attorneys who can counsel them on what to do and what not say. I don't think the inability to quickly resolve the Portland case has anything to do with a lack of ability or effort on the part of LE out there!


she may have broken in and claimed mom said it was okay to take the tv...maybe the kid was hiding and calling mom when the phone was taken from him

Hmm, very interesting, plausible theory!

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:38 PM
There are other charges in other jurisdictions in Tx.

I was only going by what was posted earlier. Thanks.

If you have the records for the Mona that was arrested matching birthdate and all, kindly post the info.

pufnstuf
12-29-2010, 10:39 PM
It makes no sense to me either as Mona really doesn't have a criminal record except for something 26 years ago.

According to whom?

One charge in Harris County. We don't know where else she's lived and what her record could be in those places.

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:40 PM
I think they're just playing word games. No arrest for the kidnapping or murder of Jonathan is technically correct. The suspect in custody was arrested on an outstanding warrant. No report yet on what that old charge is.

This says she has been charged with capital murder:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7869821

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 10:41 PM
That's the real mayor; our mayor happens to be a lesbian. Mona is a lesbian and not shy about it. All asides.

Wait...let me preface this with I promise I'm not doubting you...because ITA with you...so now my question...

did she say somewhere that she was a lesbian or are you speculating (rightly so, i'm sure)...i just don't want to miss that link if you have one...

tia

trigger
12-29-2010, 10:41 PM
I just want to say that I am a certified Nyspin/NCIC operator. When a child/adult is first reported missing we send a police officer to the house to make a report. It doesnt matter if the child is a runaway or not. Other officers are assigned to the area to look for the person esp if it is a young child or a senile adult/suicidal person. If a 16 year old just had a argument with their parents and the teenager fled from the house upset, we get officers over to the location to look for them. The cop then gives the dispatcher all info about that person and is read over the airways, to every precinct immedialtely. If it is Christmas or July 4th ..it doesn't matter, there is always a Detective assign for that day and that night. There is no time off for Detectives, there can't be. Then there are Detectives who are on call for that day/night. They can be called in at 2am if necessary. The missing person is broadcasted throughout the whole county every hour, sometimes every 1/2 hour. The missing person alarm is entered into NCIC right away. Add'l info can be added later on. I enter 17 missing persons alarms generally in one night and most are canceled by the time I leave work.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:41 PM
According to whom?

One charge in Harris County. We don't know where else she's lived and what her record could be in those places.

I only stated based on the info posted earlier in the thread with arrest records. Obviously there are more and I patiently wait to see them.

Denyl2005
12-29-2010, 10:42 PM
I believe Renee said she had only had him for 6 weeks....6 tiny weeks.

I read a comment from someone who claims to be DD's daughter that said AD told her she never wanted children. DD's daughter was upset that fingers were being pointed at her dad and she thought they should be pointed at AD instead. Renee has said that there was no legal action for custody of JF only POA so I don't think AD would allow her son to be murdered just to get rid of him when she knows she can give him back to grandma or his aunt and uncle like she has done in the past. I do think AD's lifestyle may have caught up with her though.

Renee said that AD had lied, there was no babysitter and she had separated from DD. This has been confirmed by LE. I was confused by statements that the suspect is friends with DD and also AD's room mate but both could be true and I'm wondering if the suspect was helping out the parents by disposing of the body or if she was attempting to burglarize either parent's home (looking fir drugs maybe?) and was caught off guard by the presence of JF. That would explain the phone calls to AD's work. JF may have been trying to call his mom because someone was breaking into the home and the suspect took the phone away and decided to do away with JF (the only witness).

debirlfan
12-29-2010, 10:42 PM
Mona was a professional heavyweight boxer...really!

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

Which might bring up the question of steroids/roid rage?

A_News_Junkie
12-29-2010, 10:42 PM
Is this her?

http://www.myspace.com/499637200

WARNING --- esp those who are not up to date on virus software (and you should be!)
Clicking the more photos link indicated a TROJAN virus. Don't click.

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 10:42 PM
A family acquaintance has been charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster.

Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, was arrested Wednesday morning at her home, police said.

http://ultimateheights.com/stories/225417-woman-charged-with-capital-murder-in-case-of-missing-boy

Ransom
12-29-2010, 10:43 PM
I was only going by what was posted earlier. Thanks.

If you have the records for the Mona that was arrested matching birthdate and all, kindly post the info.

I can't. Private paid site. Same b'day. Same name.

Check Mt. Vernon, Tx (Franklin County)
Check Plano, Tx (Collins County)

noZme
12-29-2010, 10:43 PM
If it bleeds, it leads. Competition between media is tough & that old adage is never more true than now.

MSM let us down today. All day the "teasers" have been dropped & attempting to stay ahead or just keep up, everyone ran with it. Houston PD's job is to find out what happened to Jonathan, bring in those responsible, & gather enough evidence for a successful prosecution. HPD owes us nor the media anything, but it would have been nice to post an update to this story on their website or have PIO-HPD release a simple statement. Many departments regularly do that on "big stories". It doesn't seem to much to ask, especially of as a huge force as in Houston.

I have been reading here & all the links since about 8:30 this morning & there has been more mis-information than truth. The good WS posters tried to sort through the mess. I feel sorry for all those of us who really care & want to know. Right now, I am thinking about a hot shower & curling up under the covers with a magazine.... but I type so slowly, by the time I click "post" & read to catch up, I'll be hooked again & stay until the wee hours.

God bless Jonathan & those who love him.

I hope those who failed him or harmed him will be made to answer in this life. I feel certain they will pay in the afterlife.

Brattigirle
12-29-2010, 10:44 PM
Nevermind just found this
Snip~
A family acquaintance has been charged with capital murder in the death of 12-year-old Jonathan Foster.
Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, was arrested Wednesday morning at her home, police said.
A break in the case came Nelsonís truck was spotted on surveillance video taken from an office building near the culvert (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Culvert) where a body believed to be Jonathanís was found in the 9900 block of East Hardy on Tuesday.
~end snip

so it was not stepdad's car that was seen on surveillance but this woman's?

much more at link
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7356276.html

Here is one thing I don't understand, we saw a car towed yesterday... but I keep seeing that her TRUCK was spotted on the surveillance.

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 10:44 PM
Images from a surveillance camera at the Rolled Alloys facility across the street from where the body was found led detectives to Nelson.

Although no official identification of the body has yet been announced by the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, the capital murder charge indicates authorities are certain the body is that of Foster.

http://instantnewskaty.com/2010/12/29/18313

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 10:45 PM
This says she has been charged with capital murder:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7869821

Yeah I posted that 5 minutes before the news broke. But thanks anyway!

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:45 PM
I am wondering since she is a boxer that she beat Jonathan up so bad and knocked out his teeth. Then she burned him and that is why dental records can't ID him????

Where does Mona work now?
Does Rolled Alley have furnaces???

We don't know that she's a boxer. We don't even know if the myspace-mona is a boxer, even though Myspace Mona looks EGGZactly like the woman in the video on the news today.

We dont' know where or IF Mona works.
And Rolled Alloys is a metal business (main website: http://www.rolledalloys.com). Because the body was dumped right by them, I just want to say that it is HIGHLY unlikely that the body was burned and dumped in the same exact place. That company will have such absolute security measures because of the ungodly amount of money in materials that they carry that they would know if someone was using their business while they were supposed to be closed. I would be very very very careful in implicating their facility even innocently. I think they were just unfortunate victims in this whole mess.

IF Mona works, it's even more unlikely she would dump the body right outside of the business where she would be easily recognized. With her physique, interests, strength, etc it isn't (however) inconceivable that she might work at some of the surrounding shops and be familiar with the area. Then again, there's a third-party male involved as well. Maybe he knows the area. Maybe, like many of us in Houston, you just find these places driving back roads trying to get around the endless traffic accidents, etc, we have here. I know a LOT of backroads very well because of that sort of thing.

belimom
12-29-2010, 10:45 PM
But then why did Mona get on the phone and tell Angela's co-worker that it was an emergency?
...(snipped)...
Why did Mona answer Angela's phone when Angela called her home after the hang-up? ...(snipped)...

My theory:

- woman saying "emergency" may have been Jonathan. He asked to speak to his mom, they said she wasn't available, he panicked, and shrieked that it was an emergency (voice went up a pitch or two)

- AD called back. Jonathan grabbed the phone but Mona (?) snatched it away to see if he had really called his mom or not. That's when she (Mona?) knew she was in deep and had to get outta dodge.

This is all MOO.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:46 PM
I can't. Private paid site. Same b'day. Same name.

Check Mt. Vernon, Tx (Franklin County)
Check Plano, Tx (Collins County)

Did you view the records or are you looking at a summary of towns?

strawberry
12-29-2010, 10:46 PM
Yeah I posted that 5 minutes before the news broke. But thanks anyway!

Sorry...I thought you probably hadn't seen the updated info. And now more outlets are reporting the capital murder charge so that leads some credence.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 10:47 PM
Here is one thing I don't understand, we saw a car towed yesterday... but I keep seeing that her TRUCK was spotted on the surveillance.

It's still possible that someone had to transport little Jonathon from the houses to wherever the horrors took place. Likely they're looking for any evidence of the stepfather's involvement.

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:48 PM
bottom line is what we have here:

a missing.. possibly dead child

caught in the midst of adult drama

how sad is this? and how often do we see this replay over and over again?

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:48 PM
If anyone has the criminal history for Mona, please post the information.

tehcloser
12-29-2010, 10:48 PM
ughhh.........Good luck sleuthing late nighters, looking forward to reading what you guys find in the am. So sad..............

Ransom
12-29-2010, 10:48 PM
Did you view the records or are you looking at a summary of towns?

Viewed the records on a database and stated the offenses were in those locations.

belimom
12-29-2010, 10:49 PM
Reneeloveyou... my heart truly goes out to you and your family right now. I cannot begin to imagine how it must feel - to have done all you could do to give a little boy a regular life and normal home, only to have him return to the very environment that you tried to save him from. And now... this. :cry:

((((((BIG HUG)))))) to you.

:grouphug:

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:50 PM
ughhh.........Good luck sleuthing late nighters, looking forward to reading what you guys find in the am. So sad..............
I am with you teh... bless you friend.. I am out too....

carbuff
12-29-2010, 10:50 PM
Wait...let me preface this with I promise I'm not doubting you...because ITA with you...so now my question...

did she say somewhere that she was a lesbian or are you speculating (rightly so, i'm sure)...i just don't want to miss that link if you have one...

tia

There's a myspace page for a woman of similar appearance who is apparently a lesbian, but we don't know they're the same person. So it's more speculation.

LandAuxvasse
12-29-2010, 10:50 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

I believe it was Rolled Alloys, 9818 East Hardy Road

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:52 PM
Viewed the records on a database and stated the offenses were in those locations.

Can you take a screen shot and post them please.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 10:53 PM
If anyone has the criminal history for Mona, please post the information.

You can do a criminal background search for the state of Texas on the TX DPS website but it costs money. I've never been able to find it for free. Maybe someone else knows a secret.

BOZGAL
12-29-2010, 10:53 PM
I am like my furbaby Max who will not let go of his peanut butter bone on this:

The person charged with this horrific crime is friends with the Mom's roommate/babysitter. How long did the Mom know this roommate?
Something stinks to high heavens.

JMHO

elepher50
12-29-2010, 10:53 PM
The Harris County District Attorney's Office told us they have accepted charges of capital murder for Mona Nelson. The DA's Office said they will request no bond.

Nelson, 44, is a family acquaintance who was named a person of interest earlier today.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7869821

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:53 PM
we have YET to see all the connections in the adult drama that led up to the killing of this child. But one fact is certain.. this was the workings of someone who cared more about himself/herself (or the collective) than to chose an alternative plan.

We are dealing with immature or medicated adults who thought a way out was this way. I would, personally look that way.. there has to be a connection. Good luck night shift.... I give you all kisses on the forehead. You are wonderful people doing astounding things.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:55 PM
You can do a criminal background search for the state of Texas on the TX DPS website but it costs money. I've never been able to find it for free. Maybe someone else knows a secret.

Well, if anyone paid to view the records, perhaps they would be kind enough to post the records.

Jolynna
12-29-2010, 10:56 PM
so many unanswered questions. im still curious the connection between her and the stepfather...why did JF have to be the victim?? just doesn't make sense at all :(

In my opinion, Mona and the SF never, ever had an intimate relationship.

I also do not see any why a drug deal between the SF and Mona would take place in babysitter's/Angela's home when NEITHER the babysitter or Angela were even home. If there was a drug deal with SF, why not do the drug deal with SF in SF's home (that was in the same complex).

What possible reason would Mona have had to tell Angela's coworker there was an emergency at Angela's house to force Angela to come to the phone over a drug deal between her (Mona) and the SF?

nursebeeme
12-29-2010, 10:57 PM
another note before I head off... PattyG... a lot of times if you pay for records you cannot copy and paste. fwiw.

((and thanks to those posters willing to pay to see records that I know you are not able to share))

eta: I have been in this boat before: paying for records but not being able to copy and paste them to share... it is frustrating as you just want to share the info you have found imhooo

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 10:57 PM
There's a myspace page for a woman of similar appearance who is apparently a lesbian. The birth dates do not match. The arrested woman's birthday in November while the myspace woman says she's a pisces, which is February/March. So it's more speculation.

Can you post a link of where her birthday is listed as November please?

Patty G
12-29-2010, 10:58 PM
another note before I head off... PattyG... a lot of times if you pay for records you cannot copy and paste. fwiw.

((and thanks to those posters willing to pay to see records that I know you are not able to share))

Screen shot is my best friend, or snipping tool! :)

mydailyopinions
12-29-2010, 10:59 PM
Question..
Has LE said who the last person to see Jonathan was?
Was is his SF?

I've seen reports but can't remember who said what, since there have been so many Whobie Whabies in this case..

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Sooooooo, is LE waiting for confirmation on the body before holding a presser? Is that what one can assume?

Sort of need an emotional break from this case.

Pensfan
12-29-2010, 11:01 PM
Does it show her age as 39?
Mona Y Nelson age 44. She is the only Mona Y Nelson on Intelius in Texas.

peeples
12-29-2010, 11:02 PM
WOW 292 people viewing right now, craziness!

StrayKat
12-29-2010, 11:02 PM
Well, if anyone paid to view the records, perhaps they would be kind enough to post the records.

I saw where someone posted them a few pages back.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 11:03 PM
I saw where someone posted them a few pages back.


That was just two.

One was for robbery and the other was for aggravated robbery IIRC

Patty G
12-29-2010, 11:04 PM
I saw where someone posted them a few pages back.

That was only part of them -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12979&d=1293674544

chasing.halos
12-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Can you post a link of where her birthday is listed as November please?

I got it here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5944798&postcount=298), but I see I misread -- the November date is the date filed, not her birth date. Oops. I corrected my previous post.

That leaves no evidence either way as to whether they're the same person. Might be, might not be.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 11:06 PM
Mona Y Nelson age 44. She is the only Mona Y Nelson on Intelius in Texas.


Thank you. When I posted 39, it was in reference to another site, of which, showed a Mona Nelson with the age of 39.

SmoothOperator
12-29-2010, 11:06 PM
When Ive paid for records it has always given me the option to have the report emailed to me{and i've used all the legit search systems}fwiw..but then just as patty g posted the screen shot is ALWAYS there to be used..lol..

so, now the question is...do we have anyone that paid to see these specific records??? I'm gonna keep fingers crossed that one of our very many members possibly did...

cluciano63
12-29-2010, 11:07 PM
So charged with capital murder or not? Jonathan not identified, but presumed deceased?

I admit, I do like the fast work of arresting and charging but it is confusing when the child/victim has not yet been identified as the deceased. I know it is not without precendent, but still confusing, especially after the atrocious reporting in this case, which may be as bad as I've seen.

SpringMom
12-29-2010, 11:07 PM
Has anyone seen a picture of SE (the roommate)? If so, can you post a link here? I have looked and cannot find one. Of course, I am going to bed now so won't see it til tomorrow. So you guys have all night to find one. ;)

lauriej
12-29-2010, 11:08 PM
Right now we don't know if Mona was a boxer.

..the boxing link and arrest record posted both show the same birthdate of 03/05/1966

..what is the D.O.B. for the mona nelson arrested today?


http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12979&d=1293674544

Bittiness39
12-29-2010, 11:08 PM
I am sure in the coming days we will find out more than we wanted to know. The connections between all of the players. The reason Jonathan had not/was not living with his mother for 12 years...and then in a few short weeks is dead. :( Dead. My heart goes out to the family. Period. So very sad and tragic. This unfortunately will not end the sniping and the blaming and the second guessing. It just won't. No matter how I look at it, I see a kid who is being raised well by the family as a whole, for almost all of his entire life, and within a month goes back to his biological mother and is dead. I am sorry, but I don't think that this is insignificant at all. :( And it gives me no joy. I am not saying the mother is a suspect. I am saying the mother is suspect. Big difference. But it makes no difference in the outcome of this case. He should never have gone home. :(

This is just all of my opinion. And I am sorry if it stings. But like I said, in the coming days or weeks, I am sure, we will know why that child was not with his mother for 12 years. It doesn't take 12 years to get on your feet. Either you are on your feet or you are not. Either you are shady or hanging with people who are shady. None of us can predict the way the things will pan out, but we can look at certain things and go, "Wow...not surprised at all that that happened." The ultimate suspect/motives may be a surprise, but ultimately, from the moment I first read about this case, my first thought was, either the mom is shady or she hangs with people who are. Either drugs are involved (my gut screams this) or something even more sinister. But at the end of the day, LE is wrapping up this case in warp speed and all I can say is, "Thank the Good Lord it was caught on video!" because these people seem like the type to lie to and avoid LE all the day long. :( The world has done me wrong types vs. the step up and take control of our lives types. JMO.

Cubby
12-29-2010, 11:08 PM
Fact: The police did not issue an Amber Alert for three days.
Fact: Mother, Angela Davis, has told conflicting accounts of the day in question. First it was Jonathan went to go get something at the babysitter's house. Then it was she received a mysterious phone call from a raspy voiced woman at her workplace.

.


respectfully snipped and BBM. Do you have a link that the mysterious phone call at her workplace was fabricated?

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Has anyone seen a picture of SE (the roommate)? If so, can you post a link here? I have looked and cannot find one. Of course, I am going to bed now so won't see it til tomorrow. So you guys have all night to find one. ;)

First few pages of this thread there is a videocast where they interviewed both mom and roommate. I am not sure that is kept on live for streaming, but she was on that video.

Texas Mist
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Sooooooo, is LE waiting for confirmation on the body before holding a presser? Is that what one can assume?

Sort of need an emotional break from this case.

they already got confirmation :(

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html

elepher50
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Can you post a link of where her birthday is listed as November please?

Mona's birthdate is 3/5/66 as shown on court records....not November.

Kimster
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.

And I think Mona hit him with the phone. Now that I know she is a boxer, she may have hit him harder than she anticipated and decided to go to the next step to cover up the abuse. I said this theory earlier and so far nothing has come out for me to change it.

Linda7NJ
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
respectfully snipped and BBM. Do you have a link that the mysterious phone call at her workplace was fabricated?


Ya didn't ask me, but here's my :twocents:

WHO KNOWS at this point????:banghead:

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 11:11 PM
I got it here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5944798&postcount=298), but I see I misread -- the November date is the date filed, not her birth date. Oops. I corrected my previous post.

That leaves no evidence either way as to whether they're the same person. Might be, might not be.

Thank you. That criminal record has the exact same DOB as the Mona on the boxing website. Her myspace lists her as a pisces which would be right for that DOB. I think it's all her.

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 11:11 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.

Perhaps she was wanting to steal the game system Christmas present?

lisser
12-29-2010, 11:11 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.

I just don't understand why...why kill him. A person that big would scare the beejeezus out of me, right into silence. I figure that she could have easily scared JF into silence without killing him, just on the threat of doing so.

*JMO*
12-29-2010, 11:12 PM
I apologize if this has already been posted, but KPRC Channel 2 in Houston is now reporting that the Medical Examiner has now confirmed that the burned body found Tuesday belongs to Jonathan Foster. :(

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 11:12 PM
they already got confirmation :(

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html

On the ID of the body?

Chili Fries
12-29-2010, 11:12 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it were just a robbery gone bad. My sister's best friend was killed in a robbery and burned 20 years ago. Just like this the perp got caught quickly and the whole thing was just so senseless, so many lives impacted by a stupid petty theft attempt.

Kimmer
12-29-2010, 11:13 PM
I am sleuthing something and really need the name of the Rolland (?) something place of business that is near the burned body recovery site, could someone please HELP???

I can't find it anywhere, thank-you!!!

Alloy

lisser
12-29-2010, 11:13 PM
I apologize if this has already been posted, but KPRC Channel 2 in Houston is now reporting that the Medical Examiner has now confirmed that the burned body found Tuesday belongs to Jonathan Foster. :(

Renee,

I am so very sorry for your family's loss. There truly are no words.

Hugs

angela
12-29-2010, 11:13 PM
Here is what I think. Mona was friends with the roommate according to MSM. Jonathan was home alone. Mona went to the apartment for who knows what reason and perhaps didn't know Jonathan was there. Jonathan calls his moms work and is scared saying it is an emergency. Mona catches him on the phone and takes the phone away. Since Jonathan can identify her she does harm to him. :(. Just my opinion on what possibly happened.


And I think Mona hit him with the phone. Now that I know she is a boxer, she may have hit him harder than she anticipated and decided to go to the next step to cover up the abuse. I said this theory earlier and so far nothing has come out for me to change it.
I think it is possible that he interrupted a burglary.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 11:13 PM
Mona's birthdate is 3/5/66 as shown on court records....not November.

Yes, I misread a document. Already corrected my post. Thanks.

strawberry
12-29-2010, 11:14 PM
Why doesn't LE hold a presser at this point? If the ME confirmed and Mona has been charged, why not hold a presser?

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 11:15 PM
Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, of Houston, Texas, used to live in Cookville, Texas.

Mona Nelson, the boxer, usesd to live in Cookville, Texas.

AND

The article is wiped.

Have to look at the cache.


BOXING OLYMPIC MEDALIST REMAINS UNBEATEN.

A snip:
-- In the only woman's fight on the card, Mona Nelson, 180, Cookville, Texas, scored a unanimous decision over Syracuse's Amy Burton, 170, in a six-round light heavyweight bout. It was the first professional fight for both boxers.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=wp&utm_campaign=single&utm_content=notright&vw=background&Search=Background&Input=name&fn=Mona&ln=Nelson&city=Houston&state=TX&

elepher50
12-29-2010, 11:15 PM
First few pages of this thread there is a videocast where they interviewed both mom and roommate. I am not sure that is kept on live for streaming, but she was on that video.

Am snagging most all right now due to rapid changes - this is the snag from that video of the roommate - I just titled it as babysitter in a hurry.

Starwynn
12-29-2010, 11:15 PM
they already got confirmation :(

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html

And there goes my heart. :(

What a horrible end to what was a lovely boy. I can't believe - what monsters there are in this world.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 11:16 PM
Am snagging most all right now due to rapid changes - this is the snag from that video of the roommate - I just titled it as babysitter in a hurry.

Bravi, nice work!

elepher50
12-29-2010, 11:17 PM
Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, of Houston, Texas, used to live in Cookville, Texas.

Mona Nelson, the boxer, usesd to live in Cookville, Texas.

AND

The article is wiped.

Have to look at the cache.
BOXING OLYMPIC MEDALIST REMAINS UNBEATEN.

A snip:
-- In the only woman's fight on the card, Mona Nelson, 180, Cookville, Texas, scored a unanimous decision over Syracuse's Amy Burton, 170, in a six-round light heavyweight bout. It was the first professional fight for both boxers.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=wp&utm_campaign=single&utm_content=notright&vw=background&Search=Background&Input=name&fn=Mona&ln=Nelson&city=Houston&state=TX&

Yes, Mona is being shown as living in two places - Cookville and Houston as near as I can see - this would be Mona Y. Nelson and not the other MN with a different middle name.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 11:17 PM
they already got confirmation :(

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html

And then we have this one:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

The Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences has yet to identify the badly burned body as Jonathan’s, who disappeared before 2 p.m. on Christmas Eve, but the police investigators say they’re convinced the body is his.

Posted at 7:48 PM CST



the click2houston link is timestamped: UPDATED: 8:31 pm CST December 29, 2010

Openmind
12-29-2010, 11:17 PM
On Wednesday, the Houston Police Department said it will formally charge 44-year-old Mona Yvette Nelson with capital murder after the medical examiner confirmed a burned body found Tuesday belongs to Jonathan Foster, who has been missing since Christmas Eve.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26308627/detail.html

peeples
12-29-2010, 11:18 PM
Many tears shed tonight for Jonathan. RIP beautiful boy

mydailyopinions
12-29-2010, 11:19 PM
I think it is possible that he interrupted a burglary.

At this point, this is all I can hope for. I don't want to believe that a child so excited for Christmas day could have fallen victim to anything his parents were involved in.
I think he was calling his mother for help and was caught doing so.
What bothers me though, is how a 12 year old would recognize Mona as a woman enough to call her Ma'am. I would think that a 12 year old would recognize more of her statute than her voice, especially if he was afraid.

sherbetjello
12-29-2010, 11:19 PM
I totally missed that the body had positive ID.

Not the news I was hoping for but all the while emotionally prepped.

SmilingSweetly
12-29-2010, 11:21 PM
Jonathan, you deserved so much more than this.

Bittiness39
12-29-2010, 11:22 PM
respectfully snipped and BBM. Do you have a link that the mysterious phone call at her workplace was fabricated?

You are so right to ask. Given all of the weird articles coming out today.

Here is the text and the link to one:

His mother says when she last called the house an unknown woman with a raspy voice picked up the phone then hung up.

In light of this news, the missing 12-year-oldís family hopes that he will be found alive.

"I believe he is out there," Mary Gifford, Jonathanís maternal grandmother, said. ďLet him come home, please.Ē

Sgt. Stuart Harris said that the boy's father and other relatives live within walking distance of the complex and he would often visit them. Harris said relatives have been cooperative with investigators.

"I don't know if it's an abduction. I don't know if he just walked off," Harris said. "I don't know if there's foul play involved. We have no reason to think he's a runaway. He's missing under suspicious circumstances, which is always a major concern for us."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/investigation-missing-houston-year-old-yields-results/

here is a link to about 10 other articles (at least) mentioning the same information that was released today:

raspy voice Jonathan Foster - Google Search

Just google raspy voice + Jonathan Foster and you get a ton of them when you click on the news option.

strawberry
12-29-2010, 11:23 PM
I have a 12 year old nephew. When I think of this happening to him it kills me. I am sooooo sorry Renee. Just know that your family made his little life so good while he was with you.

lynnb
12-29-2010, 11:23 PM
I swore to myself I was just gonna lurk on this case and not get involved, but sitting on hands gets uncomfortable after awhile......

Question for those of you more familiar with how close the mom and stepdad were currently living from each other....was it close enough for a cordless phone to work if Jonathan carried the cordless phone from his current home to his former home of the stepdad's?

belimom
12-29-2010, 11:24 PM
Well, if anyone paid to view the records, perhaps they would be kind enough to post the records.


another note before I head off... PattyG... a lot of times if you pay for records you cannot copy and paste. fwiw.

((and thanks to those posters willing to pay to see records that I know you are not able to share))

eta: I have been in this boat before: paying for records but not being able to copy and paste them to share... it is frustrating as you just want to share the info you have found imhooo


Screen shot is my best friend, or snipping tool! :)


When Ive paid for records it has always given me the option to have the report emailed to me{and i've used all the legit search systems}fwiw..but then just as patty g posted the screen shot is ALWAYS there to be used..lol..

so, now the question is...do we have anyone that paid to see these specific records??? I'm gonna keep fingers crossed that one of our very many members possibly did...

Patty, I think what Nursebeeme was trying to say is that it's again TOS to post info that had to be paid for. We're allowed to post anything that's public record/free, but not stuff that has to be paid for.

I could be wrong - there are mods on here so maybe they can chime in. But IIRC, that's the deal. It has come up before, on other threads.

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 11:27 PM
Good grief on that arrest record.

breanna
12-29-2010, 11:28 PM
Thanks to all who posted constantly and updated. I tried to read every word but it was almost impossible.

Never seen such horrible reporting going on and never been so confused on a WS case ever :(

I just don't understand why JF was the victim? I'm sure we will hear more soon, as this totally disgusting case unravels and normal people try to figure out why abnormal people do the things they do. Disgusting :furious:

WhyaDuck?
12-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Patty, I think what Nursebeeme was trying to say is that it's again TOS to post info that had to be paid for. We're allowed to post anything that's public record/free, but not stuff that has to be paid for.

I could be wrong - there are mods on here so maybe they can chime in. But IIRC, that's the deal. It has come up before, on other threads.

I don't think the info being paid for is the problem, but that one can't link to the source if it is a pay site that requires a login.

jen&jonhart
12-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Renee my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Adrienne37
12-29-2010, 11:31 PM
Reneeloveyou - Please accept my most sincere condolences for the loss of your beloved Jonathan. I'm so sorry and my heart and prayers go out to you and your family.

SmoothOperator
12-29-2010, 11:31 PM
Reneeloveyou, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your children tonight and in these coming days and weeks.. I am so very sorry for you alls loss of this little boys life.. Because of what you so openly shared with us we all are able to know alot about this beautiful little boy..and I have no doubt that in his short little life here on earth that he felt unconditionally loved, accepted, and true happiness while in your home.. Your family is the one true, solid, stable, and loving environment that this little boy knew..

Thank you so much fro sharing with us your special memories and pictures..I will choose to remember Jonathan just as your mother so eloquently wrote this morning... being transported thru a cloudless sky to a place where he will never know sorrow, pain, or hurt ever again...comforted by the angels to spend eternity in a place that us as humans cannot even imagine.. Yes, I too choose to remember him this way..

Again my thoughts and prayers are with you, your husband, MIL, and children in these coming difficult and painful days and weeks...

Love,
Jessica

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 11:32 PM
So, does she go by the name Mona Yvette Preston and Mary Nelson, also, as per Post # 455?

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 11:32 PM
Yes, Mona is being shown as living in two places - Cookville and Houston as near as I can see - this would be Mona Y. Nelson and not the other MN with a different middle name.

Let me clarify...not directed at you elepher, but I am usually very careful before posting anything like this and since we have a lot of new members and viewers, i wanted to include my "disclaimer"...
:innocent:

Before I EVER posted the link to Mona's boxing info...

I verified the DOB with the DOB on Harris County website

Verified the DOB and name spelling on Harris County site with a paid search - (and i didn't do criminal background...figured that will all come out later, so why pay now--yes, i'm cheap):innocent:

Then i went a step further and visually verified a pic of the "Boxer Mona" with the pic on the local news website posted upthread...

And...I didn't post the boxing picture because it's obviously 2 people in the ring and there is no way i would bring anyone into this tragic...mess.


Again...not directed at anyone just using your post to jump off of...

oh and, i didn't include the myspace stuff, because i know those DOBs can be / often are fabricated...like mine! LOL

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 11:33 PM
I am so sorry Renee and family.

BOZGAL
12-29-2010, 11:33 PM
My heart is aching over the confirmation of what I knew was true.
I am praying for the loved ones and friends of this precious little man. :praying:

What a despicable vile crime against an innocent child this is.
This one cuts deep my fellow posters. Very deep.

:rose:

jmho

Ransom
12-29-2010, 11:33 PM
If my posts #455 and the continuation #477, is against TOS, I will delete asap. TIA. Info came from a paid site.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Renee and family, I'm so sorry it turned out this way. My heart aches for you. It shouldn't be this way.

Patty G
12-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Patty, I think what Nursebeeme was trying to say is that it's again TOS to post info that had to be paid for. We're allowed to post anything that's public record/free, but not stuff that has to be paid for.

I could be wrong - there are mods on here so maybe they can chime in. But IIRC, that's the deal. It has come up before, on other threads.

On sites that have a pdf file or in this case a place to view all records, the site will not allow you to copy and paste. The only way to get the records from a paid site is to do a screen shot.

Before I retired as a WS Mod, I know in the past, members have paid for records in order to get all the records on the criminal.

Criminal records are public records, and paying for the records is a short way of not having to search all the states for offenses. IMO

But then, things could have changed.

MsFacetious
12-29-2010, 11:35 PM
She has officially been charged...capital murder....how unbelievably sad..she must have confessed!

I don't think they needed a confession when they have at least her vehicle on video at the site they found the body. It is possible they actually have video of the body being put there.

scrunchngo
12-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Why no Press Conference?

I agree reporting on this has been ridiculously confusing (at best) and all over the map.., but with no presser or PIO giving out statements everyone's basically on their own tracking down info or sources or neighbors.

Is this typical in Houston?

passionflower
12-29-2010, 11:36 PM
WOW long list of THEFT/ROBBERY on rap sheet!

Cubby
12-29-2010, 11:36 PM
I respectfully disagree because it would be impossible for them to enter this child anywhere if they didn't have the full story about what had transpired. When a parent lies or deliberately withholds information from LE, how can they get an accurate picture in place enough to be able to put that child in NCIC? For all they knew, he was a runaway. If a lawsuit is filed, I don't believe there will be a judge in the state of Texas or anywhere else for that matter that would rule that the Houston Police Department or Harris County Sheriff's Department were anything less than stellar in their handling of this case considering all the circumstances they were provided from the very beginning of this case by the victim's family. It is up to the victim's family to provide truthful information in order for LE to assist them and try to locate that child. Had Jonathan's mother provided truthful information or provided them with all relevant information as to the activities that took place that day, including the truth about him staying with a babysitter, Jonathan could have been entered into the system a long time before he was. I call BS on that.


~JMO~


Runaways get listed in NCIC. NCMEC has lots of them, and an official missing persons report must exist prior to a child being entered into NCMEC.

I for one am not convinced PPD was incapable of sorting out the babysitter details while mom was at work when this occured - so she being at work, technically wouldn't know if he was with a sitter or not.

We'll have to agree to disagree because I for one don't think the initial job done by HPD is better than the reporting by the media on this case.

jmo

Blue Eyed Chick
12-29-2010, 11:36 PM
Much love to you and your family, Renee. I am so incredibly sorry for what has happened to that sweet, innocent boy.

lauriej
12-29-2010, 11:37 PM
And then we have this one:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/7356276.html

The Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences has yet to identify the badly burned body as Jonathanís, who disappeared before 2 p.m. on Christmas Eve, but the police investigators say theyíre convinced the body is his.

Posted at 7:48 PM CST



the click2houston link is timestamped: UPDATED: 8:31 pm CST December 29, 2010

..click2houston is also saying mona was a friend of the mom's.

..so, we still have that glaring discrepancy as well.

Nelson was arrested in the neighborhood where Jonathan was last seen, police said. She is a family acquaintance or a friend of Jonathan's mother, Angela Davis, sources said.

Dear Prudence
12-29-2010, 11:38 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7869821


According to police, Nelson gave a statement admitting she was with Jonathan, but that she did not admit to killing him. However, police added that Nelson is the only suspect in the case and no other charges are expected to be filed.

carbuff
12-29-2010, 11:38 PM
WOW long list of THEFT/ROBBERY on rap sheet!

Makes me even more think that she broke in to rob the apartment, thinking it would be empty, and ran into Jonathan instead...

georgiajean
12-29-2010, 11:39 PM
Not sure if Examiner.com is a MSM.
But, this article takes the original reporting, and then updates it with the actual info.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/jonathan-foster-missing-child-case-houston-police-clears-conflicting-reports

Verifies that the mysterious calls to AD's workplace did occur, among other things.

Reannan
12-29-2010, 11:39 PM
If my posts #455 and the continuation #477, is against TOS, I will delete asap. TIA. Info came from a paid site.

I thought it was OK as long as you don't post a link to the paid site???

human
12-29-2010, 11:39 PM
Mona's hands as a boxer would be considered lethal weapons. If she hit the child and he died, it would be considered murder, I feel.

Since mother just got the child back, she would not be willing to say that she left him alone, as she would feel that would reflect badly upon her. I hope that she wanted and loved her child at the end and that he felt the love.

belimom
12-29-2010, 11:40 PM
I don't think the info being paid for is the problem, but that one can't link to the source if it is a pay site that requires a login.


On sites that have a pdf file or in this case a place to view all records, the site will not allow you to copy and paste. The only way to get the records from a paid site is to do a screen shot.

Before I retired as a WS Mod, I know in the past, members have paid for records in order to get all the records on the criminal.

Criminal records are public records, and paying for the records is a short way of not having to search all the states for offenses. IMO

But then, things could have changed.


I'm going to refrain from saying it shouldn't be done and is against TOS, since I am not a mod - and there are mods on here who obviously are seeing the paid-for info being posted. But before walking away from this discussion, I will say that I have paid for info in other cases. And I have been told by a mod that we cannot share info that was paid for. Now... if I could only find the message that all this info was posted in - LOL!

Wondergirl
12-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Nelson's truck was seen on surveillance video from an office video near where Texas authorities found a burned body on Tuesday five miles from fifth-grader's home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-charged-death-grader-jonathan-foster/story?id=12500167

everyoneneedsavoice
12-29-2010, 11:41 PM
Renee...my prayers are with you and your family...especially those beautiful kiddos you shared with us through pics.

I don't know what else to say...I'm so sorry and that just isn't enough.


Lovingmom...I also want to extend my prayers to you, your son and all of Jonathan's friends and family.

My heart is heavy..I can't begin to imagine how you and your families must feel.