View Full Version : TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #7
Salem
12-30-2010, 03:39 PM
Please continue here.
No name calling - not even of the accused.
No sleuthing or naming innocents.
Jonathan's family members are also considered victims - so post accordingly.
Any discussion of sexual orientation or appearance MUST be related to the case - if you can't show a connection, don't post it.
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Messages from Hoppyfrog:
We are not going to discuss this woman's appearance here at WS. We are way above that here.
We don't get to pick what we look like (unless we have as much money as Oprah) and it really has no bearing on the crime or her potential culpability.
DO NOT speculate on the suspect's sex or gender. She has been named as a woman.
DO NOT post something saying "I think this is the same person..." with a link. If you don't know if it is the correct person, do not post it!
No name calling, dear posters!
A message from Imamaze:
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REMEMBER - There is to be NO sleuthing of Jonathan's family at this time. If anyone is named as a POI or suspect, ONLY THEN may they be sleuthed. (This includes our current suspect. WAIT until she is named before posting information.)
DO NOT speculate on the suspect's sex or gender. She has been named as a woman.
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Salem
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LittleBitty35
12-30-2010, 03:41 PM
Question to the hardworking mods: where in the world would a thread go if we find criteria for a missing child that might fit this case?
FYI. I still have feed. I can paraphrase if people want. Listening to the radio.
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A_News_Junkie
12-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Anyone with a link to a still live feed - please share.
THANKS
peeples
12-30-2010, 03:42 PM
please post littlebitty :)
Anyone with a link to a still live feed - please share.
THANKS
PattyG will have it in a few. She's working on it.
fran
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 03:43 PM
Well this is the most depressing end of the year I've ever had...what a sad, twisted case...
tamfish
12-30-2010, 03:43 PM
So if she watched and waited for DD to check on JF at 1:45 then leave..... if this was premeditated and her goal was to snatch JF..... Why the phone calls? Unless she got off on terrorizing the mom, too......
A_News_Junkie
12-30-2010, 03:44 PM
PattyG will have it in a few. She's working on it.
fran
Thanks Fran - I thought Patty lost the feed too? Whew!
sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 03:44 PM
So if she watched and waited for DD to check on JF at 1:45 then leave..... if this was premeditated and her goal was to snatch JF..... Why the phone calls? Unless she got off on terrorizing the mom, too......
She went back later to talk with JF's mom. To me, IMO, she is a monster.
The phone call was just another sick part of her/the story.
epiphany
12-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Rant: This is not what feminists fought for. End of rant.
strawberry
12-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Did she invite the detectives into her house or did they have a search warrant?
trigger
12-30-2010, 03:45 PM
OMG This poor poor child. I'm crying.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 03:45 PM
Anyone with a link to a still live feed - please share.
THANKS
I am uploading the presser (audio only) to my YT channel.
I will soon go back and record what the HLN reporter stated to Mike.
http://www.youtube.com/Sierra1947
The videos should be viewable by 4:10 PM EST - everything depends on YT working with me. :)
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 03:46 PM
I guess we might need a forum and open threads by dates and locations for Mona? Then list possible victims in those threads?
So if she watched and waited for DD to check on JF at 1:45 then leave..... if this was premeditated and her goal was to snatch JF..... Why the phone calls? Unless she got off on terrorizing the mom, too......
Maybe she was outside and wanted in and he called his mom to ask if it was ok. Then maybe she wanted him to go somewhere with her and he wanted to ask his mom.
A few years ago, there was a disturbed woman who lived next door to my son and family. The two boys were home one day and she tried to entice them into coming outside. She was in their back yard (fenced) with plate of cookies.
Seriously, they had to get a restraining order. After several times of being committed, I think she's gone for good now, after she almost burned her house down.
fran
mendz
12-30-2010, 03:48 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html
summarizes the first part of the presser.
epiphany
12-30-2010, 03:48 PM
Inching her way into the families and lives of her victims. Good sociopath and predator. Nice job-maintenance in buildings>access to apartments, etc.
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 03:48 PM
I guess we might need a forum and open threads by dates and locations for Mona? Then list possible victims in those threads?
Or start a new thread here in the missing forum for every child that fits the bill, if they don't already have a thread - that way, even if they are unconnected to MN, they still get their own thread.
(I'm not a mod here, so don't take that as instruction - just a suggestion.)
A_News_Junkie
12-30-2010, 03:49 PM
I am uploading the presser (audio only) to my YT channel.
I will soon go back and record what the HLN reporter stated to Mike.
http://www.youtube.com/Sierra1947
The videos should be viewable by 4:10 PM EST - everything depends on YT working with me. :)
We can NEVER TELL YOU TOO MUCH HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yourock:
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I don't know why I stuck around to hear this presser. Now I'm so upset.
fran
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Fran, that's scary! Kids are so trusting of women too. Gives me the heeby jeebies.
LittleBitty35
12-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Mostly at the end, the questions centered on time of death...at the end of the presser. Not known at this time, or the detective didn't want to say. That was pretty much it. Ya'll didn't miss much.
I am sick. WTF was this defendent doing out in society? Why? Why was she out there? Why?
IMO something else is amiss here. But ultimately, at least LE has video of her...at least.
peeples
12-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Did she invite the detectives into her house or did they have a search warrant?
They went to visit i didn't hear why and that is when the noticed the truck and that matched the video and went HMMMMM
jessicat
12-30-2010, 03:51 PM
I have to agree with LE...I don't think this is her first time. If she is the person they say she is, well like they said she didn't start with JF and it prob wouldn't have ended with him had they not gotten that video...which is terrifying.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Or start a new thread here in the missing forum for every child that fits the bill, if they don't already have a thread - that way, even if they are unconnected to MN, they still get their own thread.
(I'm not a mod here, so don't take that as instruction - just a suggestion.)
That sounds better. I like the individual threads.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 03:52 PM
if the police strongly feel she has done this before (killed a child) then game on fellow WS! Lets all work hard because there could be another child/family out there that needs answers and Justice.
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 03:52 PM
I just keep hearing the word "Why?" repeating itself in my head right now...
Kimmer
12-30-2010, 03:53 PM
I did her Det Miller say that Mona had been let go from those apts a couple months ago, but she was still hanging around, So makes me think she was mad at the roomate of AD and was acting all nicy nicy while trying to figure out how to exact her revenge and once AD and JF moved in she figured out what she would do....This is a motive I have at this point.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 03:54 PM
Threads as the victims should have or already have and a mona connected thread under her somehow?
Salem
12-30-2010, 03:55 PM
Question to the hardworking mods: where in the world would a thread go if we find criteria for a missing child that might fit this case?
FYI. I still have feed. I can paraphrase if people want. Listening to the radio.
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We would start an individual thread for each missing child. We could post the similarities and move on from there. Every missing child deserves to be found and we would approach it from that angle.
Hope that helps,
Salem
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 03:55 PM
That sounds better. I like the individual threads.
But we need something Id'ing them as possible Mona victims or it will be a mess. Because if it's true, there are going to be things that tie them together...and we need all that pretty easy to access. KWIM?
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 03:56 PM
Threads as the victims should have or already have and a mona connected thread under her somehow?
I would just make or bump threads with the victims' name and date in the title, and include a post about MN and today's presser. That way if it's ruled out, people can continue to discuss the case and other options of what happened to each child.
I would also link the threads in this thread, though, so people can take a look in if they have any comments.
Again - just suggestions.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 03:56 PM
can someone please post for me her past places she lived ie. early childhood included. Towns she boxed in also. Then perhaps we can split up to make sure all are covered.
Kimmer
12-30-2010, 03:56 PM
They went to visit i didn't hear why and that is when the noticed the truck and that matched the video and went HMMMMM
They went to talk to her on because she had told the Mom about being there at 12:30 and seeing JF without a shirt and yadi yadi, and it was at that point they noticed the truck met the description...They also said she gave them permission to do a search of her home and truck, and Detective Miller also said that evidence from the ME is that the buring was not the cause of death, but at this point they don't know the exact cause.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 03:57 PM
if the police strongly feel she has done this before (killed a child) then game on fellow WS! Lets all work hard because there could be another child/family out there that needs answers and Justice.
After the Sandra Cantu case, I've always said LE could solve alot of cold cases if they went back and seriously considered a woman as a suspect.
peeples
12-30-2010, 03:57 PM
Nelson initially denied any involvement or that it was her vehicle, Gott said. "But she did authorize us to search her vehicle and search her residence."
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html
And when they searched the residence they found LOTS of physical evidence especially in a trach can :( :(
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 03:58 PM
But we need something Id'ing them as possible Mona victims or it will be a mess.
I don't think so - it will just be a series of threads about missing kids, which we already have. My concern is that if we label them all "possible Mona victims" without cause that will make it seem like it is fact when it is only theory.
JMOO.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 03:58 PM
my guess his her MO will be different in past, since she is a boxer I'm willing to bet she beat to death first, blunt force trauma type, and progressed from there.
LittleBitty35
12-30-2010, 03:58 PM
I just wonder if the defendent can be connected to adults as well? I feel uncomfortable using her given name. Or at this point referring to her, even, as human.
Is it against TOS to just call her IT? Because I don't feel comfortable sharing the same oxygen with something like that. I just don't. Do not.
My grandmother/grandfather were born in and spent their whole lives in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. So that might be a good place to start, given that some of the defendent's crime spree occurred there.
Lemme me know if it is okay to refer to the defendent as IT. I don't believe said defendent has endeavored to deserve much more than that as a moniker.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 03:59 PM
My thoughts: I don't feel that Mona has done this before.
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 03:59 PM
I have to wonder about the stuffed animal. Did he take it or did she take it....as a souvenir? UGH.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 04:00 PM
So far it doesn't seem she's into completely hiding bodies. At least with Jonathan.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:01 PM
I just wonder if the defendent can be connected to adults as well? I feel uncomfortable using her given name. Or at this point referring to her, even, as human.
Is it against TOS to just call her IT? Because I don't feel comfortable sharing the same oxygen with something like that. I just don't. Do not.
My grandmother/grandfather were born in and spent their whole lives in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. So that might be a good place to start, given that some of the defendent's crime spree occurred there.
Lemme me know if it is okay to refer to the defendent as IT. I don't believe said defendent has endeavored to deserve much more than that as a moniker.
A lot of people on her facebook page in fact most are from or currently living in Mt. pleasant. Also if that case that was posted earlier the child support one is her, her kid(s) were in foster care, so they were removed for some reason. Also looks as though a male also had a paycheck lean put against him, so child(ren) were not with the father either.
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 04:01 PM
My thoughts: I don't feel that Mona has done this before.
The "this" is hard to determine at this point, I think. "Greed and desire" could mean many things, including killing someone in robbery. It's really hard to say what is fact and what is theory at this point. I am not sure we should run away with this just yet.
However, if we can bump some cold cases and start threads on some missing kids over looked before, that would be something "good" coming out of this horrible case.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 04:01 PM
why not one thread for possible related to her with links to already missing threads, and if it is a strong possible then noted in that missing thread along with a link to this thread and thread started with possibles?
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 04:02 PM
http://www.houstonunsolved.com/
That might come in handy.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:03 PM
I have to wonder about the stuffed animal. Did he take it or did she take it....as a souvenir? UGH.
Maybe one of the physical evidence things found at her home...possibly in the trash can
sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 04:03 PM
I wonder if they are out in her house with forensics scouring over each inch of her apartment.
Betta Blue
12-30-2010, 04:03 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/2010/1230/26320995_640X360.jpg Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
Can someone also list her DOB and any alias she may have used.
Im thinking it may just not be children we are looking for. Im wondering if we arent looking more for love interests that have had something bad happen to them or people associated to them.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
all I know is the police have a strong indication she has killed before. They would not in my opinion state this if it wasn't VERY strong! Maybe they know something but no evidence yet?
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/2010/1230/26320995_640X360.jpg Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
It looks like she habitually wears a do-rag, so it might be a tan line.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
i think she usually baseball cap
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 04:04 PM
I know we are not supposed to discuss her appearance. But we really would have to consider cases where the perp was thought to be a man.
The Lane Bryant robber and muders in Chicago just popped into my head. I need to go back and look at that case.
mendz
12-30-2010, 04:05 PM
My thoughts: I don't feel that Mona has done this before.
i agree. let's face it, she tried to cover evidence but left a lot (according to police) and she dumped a body in a pretty open area and was caught on a surveillance camera. doesn't sound like a seasoned pro by any means. imo.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 04:05 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/2010/1230/26320995_640X360.jpg Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
blow torch helmet...has a thick band over the forehead maybe this is it.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:05 PM
It looks like she habitually wears a do-rag, so it might be a tan line.
Or a baseball cap!
Dear Prudence
12-30-2010, 04:06 PM
My thoughts: I don't feel that Mona has done this before.
I'm not sure I feel that she's killed before, but I do think she might have abused and/or molested boys before. Many victims of molestation do not report it. I would think it would be very hard for a 12-yr. old boy to talk about it.
epiphany
12-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Michael Board, WOAI Radio (now on HLN): Without calling her a serial killer, police are saying they think she has murdered before...This could be the link to another cold case.
MB: Only person who knows t motive is MN, but she won't say why. Admitting to dumping body, but not to the murder. Allowed the police into her apt>I don't know why. Burn spots on her rug. Was not doused. They believe this woman used a welding torch on this body.
MB: Are interviewing the roommate of JFs mother to find out more about this woman (MN).
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 04:06 PM
BTW, you can search the cases here by prefix if you go to "advanced search" and hit TX or whichever state abbrev you wish to look at - it will show you every case with that state prefix.
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 04:07 PM
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer
date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
2006-11-18 XXXXX 221 10-3-0
Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, Louisiana, United States L UD 4 4x2
referee: Bruce McDaniel | judge: Rick Exe 33-40 | judge: Larry Berger 33-40 | judge: Keith Thibodeaux 33-40
Nelson down twice in the first and once in the second
2004-04-23 201 XXXX 215 8-3-0
Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas, United States L TKO 3 6x2
time: 0:55 | referee: Randy Cole | judge: Mike Cox 18-20 | judge: Frankie Moore 17-20 | judge: Vernon Smith 18-20
2003-02-18 209 XXXX 225 debut
AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, United States L SD 4 4x2
referee: Bill Marshall | judge: Joe Miller 37-39 | judge: Gary Ritter 39-37 | judge: Gerald Ritter 37-39
1997-06-21 XXXX 171
Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York, United States W UD 6 6x2
orb4me
12-30-2010, 04:07 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/ViewFilePage.aspx?ViewOrp=1&IsCrim=True&ViewAsType=PDF&TodaysDate=12/30/2010 12:00:00 AM&PublicImageNbr=47326000&CourtID=182
182 district clerk.of courts. charges filed against mn 1, illl be back with the other one
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:07 PM
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pORERrI_o
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKgv1VTb4tQ
orb4me
12-30-2010, 04:08 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/CaseDetails.aspx?CaseNbr=129030601010&CDI=3
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 04:09 PM
blow torch helmet...has a thick band over the forehead maybe this is it.
Good point. My late husband was a welder and always had tan lines from his torches.
georgiajean
12-30-2010, 04:09 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/2010/1230/26320995_640X360.jpg Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
My guess is it's a welding helmet line. My husband welded, and his forehead looked like that. Even though the face shield on the helmet protects from the harmful bright light, you still get a tan. Especially depending on the quality of the helmet. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. Just going off of my husband's face.
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 04:09 PM
And don't forget to eliminate the year(s) she spent in TDC (Texas Dept. of Corrections). It might be interesting to talk to some inmates housed with her during that time.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:10 PM
Michael Board, WOAI Radio (now on HLN): Without calling her a serial killer, police are saying they think she has murdered before...This could be the link to another cold case.
MB: Only person who knows t motive is MN, but she won't say why. Admitting to dumping body, but not to the murder. Allowed the police into her apt>I don't know why. Burn spots on her rug. Was not doused. They believe this woman used a welding torch on this body.
MB: Are interviewing the roommate of JFs mother to find out more about this woman (MN).
Recorded that one too!
LittleBitty35
12-30-2010, 04:10 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=TX&searchLang=en_US
The above link is for those who want to sleuth a bit for any similarities. Sadly, Jonathan's poster was recently added.
On a day of such sadness, I just want to say, despite our differences as posters, and differences in the conclusions and opinions we have, I am at least glad that people are out there that do not like the status quo and want to make a difference.
PS The above link is just for those who want to sleuth but it is unsolved missing kid cases. Some are totally irrelevant.
StrayKat
12-30-2010, 04:13 PM
blow torch helmet...has a thick band over the forehead maybe this is it.
Face burned?
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 04:15 PM
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer
date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
2006-11-18 XXXXX 221 10-3-0
Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, Louisiana, United States L UD 4 4x2
referee: Bruce McDaniel | judge: Rick Exe 33-40 | judge: Larry Berger 33-40 | judge: Keith Thibodeaux 33-40
Nelson down twice in the first and once in the second
2004-04-23 201 XXXX 215 8-3-0
Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas, United States L TKO 3 6x2
time: 0:55 | referee: Randy Cole | judge: Mike Cox 18-20 | judge: Frankie Moore 17-20 | judge: Vernon Smith 18-20
2003-02-18 209 XXXX 225 debut
AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, United States L SD 4 4x2
referee: Bill Marshall | judge: Joe Miller 37-39 | judge: Gary Ritter 39-37 | judge: Gerald Ritter 37-39
1997-06-21 XXXX 171
Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York, United States W UD 6 6x2
She was in Oklahoma and Louisiana? Dear God that's two states of mine - one I'm from, and one I now live in...please God tell me she didn't leave victims behind her...
ohiogirl
12-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Thank you to all here who have been updating information as this case unfolds. It is greatly appreciated. Hopefully, if there was any one else involved, she will come clean. I still have a lot of questions, but I am going to leave this story for a while. My deepest condolences for Jonathan's family.
Happy New Year all of you sleuthers.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:16 PM
I'm not sure I feel that she's killed before, but I do think she might have abused and/or molested boys before. Many victims of molestation do not report it. I would think it would be very hard for a 12-yr. old boy to talk about it.
IMO, just to put it out there, I don't feel she ever abused or molested a child of any gender.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Fran, that's scary! Kids are so trusting of women too. Gives me the heeby jeebies.
It's very seldom that a woman is accused of the type of crime this one appears to be. If it were a man accused it would not be so surprising.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:17 PM
HLN Report - 12/30/10
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdnradmZdek
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 04:17 PM
So question before the arguing starts......lol. Can we discuss other possible cases or what we may find here or not. Not that my opine matters, but I think it should be allowed considering Houston has made it clear it is an avenue they are looking at in regards to Mona. TIA.
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Onondaga A.C. - from the boxing link - in NY. That's a Samoan name...I'd bet that's her maiden name. Mona Y. Onondaga.
ETA: Looks like it is a Native American reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onondaga
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 04:18 PM
It's very seldom that a woman is accused of the type of crime this one appears to be. If it were a man accused it would not be so surprising.
At the rate we're seeing women accused of crimes like this lately, no one is going to able to say anymore that women are seldom accused of this crime...
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:18 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/ViewFilePage.aspx?ViewOrp=1&IsCrim=True&ViewAsType=PDF&TodaysDate=12/30/2010 12:00:00 AM&PublicImageNbr=47326000&CourtID=182
182 district clerk.of courts. charges filed against mn 1, illl be back with the other one
What steps do I need to do to find this information as in click on this for this etc.? Thank you.
Ms Suzanne
12-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Maybe one of the physical evidence things found at her home...possibly in the trash can
There might be possibly other evidence of other victims in her house.Other victims might not be just children.Maybe she really was a drug dealer and you don't pay.I take your kids or anything you care about.It does happen now alot taking kids as payment.Was the car she was in the SD?She could also possibly be a hitman/woman.Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
orb4me
12-30-2010, 04:20 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/CaseDetails.aspx?CaseNbr=129030601010&CDI=3
other past charges
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 04:21 PM
This is beyond belief to an old pro following cases for 25+ years.
I am getting physically ill listening to the presser Patty was so kind to upload since I missed it.
God Bless this precious little man.
May he play forever with the angels above. :rose:
I am praying for all of the family and loved ones of Jonathan. :praying:
Trust in God for the much needed strength and guidance all of you will need during this most difficult time.
JMHO
nomoresorrow
12-30-2010, 04:21 PM
i agree. let's face it, she tried to cover evidence but left a lot (according to police) and she dumped a body in a pretty open area and was caught on a surveillance camera. doesn't sound like a seasoned pro by any means. imo.
BBM: That may be true but even "seasoned pro's" make mistakes - thankfully.
JMO ~
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:21 PM
At the rate we're seeing women accused of crimes like this lately, no one is going to able to say anymore that women are seldom accused of this crime...
I only know of one other case where a woman is accused of killing a child not related to her. That's hardly a "high rate."
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:24 PM
HLN Report 12/30/10
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdGcHwc79rg
tk71texas
12-30-2010, 04:25 PM
i just read about women serial killers recently...there are more than you think
krazyfingerzz
12-30-2010, 04:25 PM
Onondaga A.C. - from the boxing link - in NY. That's a Samoan name...I'd bet that's her maiden name. Mona Y. Onondaga.
ETA: Looks like it is a Native American reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onondaga
Onondaga is actually a place in upstate NY. That's the arena, I believe, not her name.
orb4me
12-30-2010, 04:26 PM
Patty. on page 3 about 1/2 way down.
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/Search.aspx?NewSuits=1
I searched under her name, then found this page. most things I do , I do by accident.
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 04:27 PM
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer
date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
2006-11-18 XXXXX 221 10-3-0
Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, Louisiana, United States L UD 4 4x2
referee: Bruce McDaniel | judge: Rick Exe 33-40 | judge: Larry Berger 33-40 | judge: Keith Thibodeaux 33-40
Nelson down twice in the first and once in the second
2004-04-23 201 XXXX 215 8-3-0
Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas, United States L TKO 3 6x2
time: 0:55 | referee: Randy Cole | judge: Mike Cox 18-20 | judge: Frankie Moore 17-20 | judge: Vernon Smith 18-20
2003-02-18 209 XXXX 225 debut
AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, United States L SD 4 4x2
referee: Bill Marshall | judge: Joe Miller 37-39 | judge: Gary Ritter 39-37 | judge: Gerald Ritter 37-39
1997-06-21 XXXX 171
Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York, United States W UD 6 6x2
Okay, so she lived in Houston in 1984 based on her criminal charges (http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/CaseDetails.aspx?CaseNbr=129030601010&CDI=3), which means she was about 18. She started professionally boxing at 28 or so. It really bothers me that she boxed at a youth center.
everyoneneedsavoice
12-30-2010, 04:29 PM
Now...that was a press conference!!!
Strategical, methodical...sending Ms Mona a message, IMO!
I am not surprised, as I said earlier, the experience I've had with HPD and Harris County Pros in a very high profile case...followed with a very high profiled "dream team"...didn't shake them one bit! They, my friends, are on their game...they will fight for Jonathan!
SurfieTX
12-30-2010, 04:29 PM
Onondaga is actually a place in upstate NY. That's the arena, I believe, not her name.
Yes, my mind initially went to AC as in air conditioning, but I bet it stands for Athletic Center.
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 04:30 PM
I only know of one other case where a woman is accused of killing a child not related to her. That's hardly a "high rate."
I'm talking about horrendous cases of women killing children in general. Eliza Baker (killed and dismembered her stepdaughter), Casey Anthony (duct tape over face, child died in car, she threw her out like trash), Teri Horman (suspected of kidnapping her stepson from school during a science fair and then killing him), Baby Gabriel's mom (said in a text to ex that she killed their baby, but a body has never been found), and I'm sure there's more. I've heard of one woman who put her baby in a microwave. One woman who suffocated her stepson in a car and then disposed him, and then spent time with father after that like nothing was wrong, and I could research and come up with a lot more. More and more, women are killing their children or someone else's and doing it more and more horrendous ways. That's what I mean. In a few years, it won't be surprising that women are being accused of doing horrendous things to either their own kids or kids that aren't theirs. No more are women are innocent good mothers who only worry about the welfare of their children. They just throw them out like trash when they don't want them anymore or prey upon other people's children. The vast chasm between them and men is closing fast on crimes against children, including horrendous murder. Poor Zahra was dismembered, and now Jonathon burned beyond recognition. I hate to ask it, but what is the next woman murderer going to do a child that gets in their way, that they don't want, or that they get angry at or abuse?
PrintGal
12-30-2010, 04:31 PM
It is strange to me that she allowed the police to search her vehicle and home knowing there was lots of physical evidence. Especially someone who has been through the legal system before. Diminished capacity? Maybe she thought if she acted forthcoming they wouldn't look that closely?
Ransom
12-30-2010, 04:32 PM
Other counties to look for past charges:
Franklin County, Texas
Collin County, Texas
Will be interesting when details of medical history are released. wondering if she was on medication(s) for a psychological condition and maybe she quit taking them or she was self-medicating. i could see a person who had committed similar crimes eventually slipping up because they were under the influence or not taking medication. jeffrey dahmer comes to mind. (sorry to go there)
orb4me
12-30-2010, 04:34 PM
jjenny. Are you speaking of woman strangers? I think there are hundreds if not thousands of woman that kill a child just in this country alone.
Casey A?
Audrey ?? drowned 5
who ever killed Haligh, jmo sm.
little boy in campgrounds by his mom
susan smith
Mona is not a stranger to the family.
aed has more. jjenny, I think we have misunderstood what you were saying.
We have the DOB, would be great to have info on where born. JMO, she was already a victim of someone by the time she was 18, hatred towards who ever was coming out in a boxing rage. Im sure there are files some where about her youth, but doublt we find it.
Insane? had a plan and carried it out, or did she act on the spur of the moment?
I still believe she sexually assulted him before she killed him. This is also prob not the first time she has hurt or killed a child.:(
Bluesky#1
12-30-2010, 04:36 PM
Can someone tell me who installed the surveillance camera in the area where MN disposed of JF's body? It seems to me if MN knew about the camera, she would have chosen a different place to dispose of his body. Was the s.v. turned over to LE by someone?
Does anyone know if LE confirmed SE was at work and where the step dad went after he checked on JF? TIA
sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 04:37 PM
That's really strange, just like the Brittnay case, could it be possible Mona was acting out some parental issues she was having?
*head spins*
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:39 PM
Does anyone STILL feel that Mona acted alone? If so, hit the thanks button.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:40 PM
jjenny. Are you speaking of woman strangers? I think there are hundreds if not thousands of woman that kill a child just in this country alone.
Casey A?
Audrey ?? drowned 5
who ever killed Haligh, jmo sm.
little boy in campgrounds by his mom
susan smith
Mona is not a stranger to the family.
I am talking about women accused of deliberately killing children not related to them.
Casey A is not accused of killing a child not related to her.
I have no idea who Audrey is. If you are talking about Andrea Yates those children were here own children. Since we don't know who killed Haleigh why bring it up? Could have been man. Susan Smith-again, her own children.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Does everyone feel that Mona acted alone? If so, hit the thanks button.
My gut tells me something is off, but i am just a mom who posts on the internet... i feel like I should trust the cops who have been doing this for however many years They say she acted alone and every person she implicated has checked out and has alibis sooo?? I guess i'm deferring to the detectives.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Does anyone feel that Mona DIDN'T act alone? Hit the thanks button.
I feel she didn't act alone.
Jo in Calif
12-30-2010, 04:41 PM
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/CaseDetails.aspx?CaseNbr=129030601010&CDI=3
other past charges
I think their scale might be broken, look at the weight.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:42 PM
what about the sunday school teacher who killed her daughters friend?
epiphany
12-30-2010, 04:42 PM
Can someone tell me who installed the surveillance camera in the area where MN disposed of JF's body? It seems to me if MN knew about the camera, she would have chosen a different place to dispose of his body. Was the s.v. turned over to LE by someone?
Does anyone know if LE confirmed SE was at work and where the step dad went after he checked on JF? TIA
Believe was surveillance camera from a local business.
All others have been cleared. Presser reiterated that Mona acted alone. She alone is responsible for the abduction and murder.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 04:43 PM
Can someone tell me who installed the surveillance camera in the area where MN disposed of JF's body? It seems to me if MN knew about the camera, she would have chosen a different place to dispose of his body. Was the s.v. turned over to LE by someone?
Does anyone know if LE confirmed SE was at work and where the step dad went after he checked on JF? TIA
I have no idea who installed the camera and your other questions except to give my opinion that it was 6pm when she dumped the body, so how dark is it in Texas at 6pm? Here on the EST it is dark, maybe she didn't even notice the camera. My guess is she went driving and just decided to pull over there. Unless this neighborhood she knew someone in that neighborhood and was thinking to frame them. She did try to implicate others as reported in the presser.
LandAuxvasse
12-30-2010, 04:43 PM
Does anyone STILL feel that Mona acted alone? If so, hit the thanks button.
Just out of curiosity, Patty G, do you think HPD are putting on a show with this presser, or just wrong?
I do think she probably did it and acted alone. And I am afraid they'll find more victims when they figure out the MO to look for. I'm not convinced it was sexually motivated except in the sense that torturing someone could have a sexually arousing affect for the perp.
MOO :twocents:
Ransom
12-30-2010, 04:44 PM
what about the sunday school teacher who killed her daughters friend?
Melissa Huckaby killed Sandra Cantu.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:45 PM
I'm talking about horrendous cases of women killing children in general...
It's obviously not unusual for a woman to be accused of killing her kids or step-kids. But it's very unusual for a woman to be accused of killing a child not related to her, of which she was not a caretaker. I only know of one case like that.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Melissa Huckaby killed Sandra Cantu.
Thanks Ransom, I couldn't remember the names!
epiphany
12-30-2010, 04:46 PM
what about the sunday school teacher who killed her daughters friend?
Melissa Huckaby-predator/pedophile/murderer of Sandra Cantu.
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 04:46 PM
I will step out on a shaky limb here but personally I am more inclined to believe she may have other adult victims out there instead of children.
Guess I am going by her past criminal record.
JMHO
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:47 PM
Melissa Huckaby killed Sandra Cantu.
That's the one case I know of.
BBM: That may be true but even "seasoned pro's" make mistakes - thankfully.
JMO ~
and get sloppy, lazy & overly confident, jmo.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:48 PM
Melissa Huckaby-predator/pedophile/murderer of Sandra Cantu.
Again, that's the one case I know of.
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 04:49 PM
I just hope someone is going to cover this in their show soon.
Do not care who it is at this point but we need some coverage and TH point of view on this.
JMHO
Reannan
12-30-2010, 04:49 PM
Does anyone STILL feel that Mona acted alone? If so, hit the thanks button.
I would not have believed she acted alone 24 hours ago, but now I do. I think she is crazy, but not criminally insane. More like evilly insane. I think she got some sort of egotistical kick out of the phone call, and then from the interactions she had subsequent to the murder with both the family and LE. I am curious as to why LE think she may have murdered before.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 04:49 PM
my gosh nothing to go on but my gut! However, blunt force truma, found in an abandon residence. http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php/topic,263.0.html
CN2Souls
12-30-2010, 04:49 PM
Does anyone feel that Mona DIDN'T act alone? Hit the thanks button.
I feel she didn't act alone.
:couch:
It is not jelling for me at all not at all.
Worked on way to many cases this isn't flying....JMO
:couch:
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 04:50 PM
Why are we arguing that women don't kill? They do. There have been women serial killers. I don't know that I'm fully on board with Mona being one......but if LE thinks she might be, it's not going to hurt to dig around.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 04:51 PM
Just out of curiosity, Patty G, do you think HPD are putting on a show with this presser, or just wrong?
I do think she probably did it and acted alone. And I am afraid they'll find more victims when they figure out the MO to look for. I'm not convinced it was sexually motivated except in the sense that torturing someone could have a sexually arousing affect for the perp.
MOO :twocents:
My thoughts are that Det. Miller was speaking with his emotions and throwing out a lot of his own speculation regarding Mona indicating she did this in the past.
I don't see that this was sexually motivated at all.
I don't feel they will ever find any other victims associated to Mona. However, putting it out there certainly makes their case more concrete in the publics eye (jurors).
jjenny
12-30-2010, 04:52 PM
Why are we arguing that women don't kill? They do. There have been women serial killers. I don't know that I'm fully on board with Mona being one......but if LE thinks she might be, it's not going to hurt to dig around.
I don't know who is arguing that women don't kill.
All I said is what she is accused of is pretty unusual for a woman to be accused of.
georgiajean
12-30-2010, 04:53 PM
If it was premeditated, and she had been seen around the apartment complex over the last couple weeks, then she could have targeted JF and been casing the place and taking note of peoples' habits and patterns. That fits with her waiting until after DD had seen JF before taking him.
It "sounds" like her hanging around the apartment complex coincides with AD and JF moving in with SE. (IMO).
She knew SE was sometimes home, sometimes not, so she stopped by in the earlier part of the day to see if SE was there. Found out she was not, and JF may have let slip that his mom would be back after 2 pm. (IMO)
I spent time reading the Facebook pages and tracking the comments MN had made on others' pages. The "Ang" woman from Myspace is also MN's friend on FB. On Myspace Ang tells MN about being assaulted by a man, and asks for her help. Same incident is discussed (without MN participating) on Ang's FB page.
IMO this Ang person is someone LE needs to talk with. Has a very, very cute boy who is referenced as "J" in all the pictures. No name given. Could this be the Jr MN writes about???
TexasLil
12-30-2010, 04:54 PM
Other counties to look for past charges:
Franklin County, Texas
Collin County, Texas
Titus County, Texas (assault charges here)
Cameron County, Texas (arrested here for transporting aliens aka Mona Preston Nelson)
Morris County, Texas
Smith County, Texas (arrested in Tyler)
Hopkins County, Texas
Kimster
12-30-2010, 04:54 PM
I hope there is more from LE about her killing others. I've never heard such a statement from LE before unless there WERE other killings. If this helps lead to closure for families, then we need to take it seriously.
But I feel we need to know more as to why they believe this happened before too. I don't want to see us all spinning our wheels trying to match up crimes to Mona either.
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 04:54 PM
I don't know who is arguing that the woman don't kill.
All I said is what she is accused of is pretty unusual for a woman to be accused of.
Very true. But when we first heard the name Manson, we thought he was unusual too. I think when discussing murder, you can't really go by usual or unusual, some killers just flat break the mold.
peeples
12-30-2010, 04:55 PM
If it was premeditated, and she had been seen around the apartment complex over the last couple weeks, then she could have targeted JF and been casing the place and taking note of peoples' habits and patterns. That fits with her waiting until after DD had seen JF before taking him.
It "sounds" like her hanging around the apartment complex coincides with AD and JF moving in with SE. (IMO).
She knew SE was sometimes home, sometimes not, so she stopped by in the earlier part of the day to see if SE was there. Found out she was not, and JF may have let slip that his mom would be back after 2 pm. (IMO)
I spent time reading the Facebook pages and tracking the comments MN had made on others' pages. The "Ang" woman from Myspace is also MN's friend on FB. On Myspace Ang tells MN about being assaulted by a man, and asks for her help. Same incident is discussed (without MN participating) on Ang's FB page.
IMO this Ang person is someone LE needs to talk with. Has a very, very cute boy who is referenced as "J" in all the pictures. No name given. Could this be the Jr MN writes about???
Wouldn't hurt for you to call the houston LE and let them know.. They may know about it and have tracked all her MS and FB stuff already but what if they haven't... would be worth bringing to their attentnion
LandAuxvasse
12-30-2010, 04:55 PM
My thoughts are that Det. Miller was speaking with his emotions and throwing out a lot of his own speculation regarding Mona indicating she did this in the past.
I don't see that this was sexually motivated at all.
I don't feel they will ever find any other victims associated to Mona. However, putting it out there certainly makes their case more concrete in the publics eye (jurors).
Thank you! That's a bone I'll chew on. I do have to admit that this is the most bizarre press conference *I've* ever seen, but I certainly haven't seen every one ever televised.
I have a feeling we won't see autopsy results until trial? I think that would answer a lot of our questions!!
MOO :twocents:
Kimster
12-30-2010, 04:56 PM
Please do not post info from paid sites due to copyright issues. :tyou:
burbqueen
12-30-2010, 04:57 PM
finally caught up! WOO!
I have a serious hard time believing that MN is some sort of sexual predator on little boys. I'm not trying to stereotype, but I dont care that she is a woman it's the fact that IMO Mona might be gay. If this was a little girl that got murdered then yes I would agree, but why take a boy?? Just strange. Mona may just be down for the thrill kill ya know?
I am also finding it hard to fathom that she has done this before. Not cause she is a female, it's just her criminal record is full of theft and nothing too violent I thought? If there is evidence to the contrary then ok.
I'm still not firm on the timeline and who was where and when. I dont think the parents had anything to do with this and I think Mona acted alone. why she took JF to her house and the weird statement about him with no shirt on? I also wanna hear more from the roommate. She knows Mona in theory so she could shed some light on her personality.
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 04:59 PM
Titus County, Texas (assault charges here)
Cameron County, Texas (arrested here for transporting aliens aka Mona Preston Nelson)
Morris County, Texas
Smith County, Texas (arrested in Tyler)
Hopkins County, Texas
BBM
Can you tell me when she was arrested in Tyler, it's not showing up on the jail records here. TIA
ETA: There is a Yvette Nelson, but it's the wrong DOB, and height, and the pic is def. not Mona.
georgiajean
12-30-2010, 05:00 PM
Wouldn't hurt for you to call the houston LE and let them know.. They may know about it and have tracked all her MS and FB stuff already but what if they haven't... would be worth bringing to their attentnion
I would hope that with the importance of social networking sites, LE has people who run checks on FB, myspace, etc? Or am I just wishing and dreaming here?
The Ang person, besides the "Star" person, are the only ones MN had really communicated with on FB/MS, so it seems. I want to go back to MS and track down some more things.
nomoresorrow
12-30-2010, 05:00 PM
and get sloppy, lazy & overly confident, jmo.
Agree 100% fhc and, in this particular case, I happen to think that the date/timing - Christmas Eve - played a huge role in the sloppiness part, in addition to her being over-confident, which is clearly exhibited by her visit to the Mom's home that very evening, after disposing of poor Jonathan's body. IMO, her visit to Mom's that evening indicated two things about her: She was/is an overly-confident sadist-murderer. Again Jmo.
peeples
12-30-2010, 05:03 PM
I would hope that with the importance of social networking sites, LE has people who run checks on FB, myspace, etc? Or am I just wishing and dreaming here?
The Ang person, besides the "Star" person, are the only ones MN had really communicated with on FB/MS, so it seems. I want to go back to MS and track down some more things.
I don't doubt they do, but i don't know if it goes deeper than say checking the last few days worth of posts looking at photos etc.... without a lot of digging some of this stuff just isn't real apparent. Seems we have more time on our hands than LE sometimes and are focused on only a couple cases when in the case of that town.. they got a lot on their plate. That is why i suggested bringing it up :) Not because i feel they are incompetant, just that hey if a helping hand can be offered, why not :)
maggieo
12-30-2010, 05:03 PM
This crime is so bizarre and sick and goes so against everything I've ever assumed about how people act... I can't even imagine a motivation here. If the police are right, and she's acting alone, I mean. It makes me not want to read about crime anymore. I mean, I feel there's nothing to be learned about human nature here, or anything. It's just sick and depressing and baffling and horribly, horribly tragic.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 05:05 PM
and get sloppy, lazy & overly confident, jmo.
It seems their arrogance gets the best of them eventually.
Mona may have run out of time. Since she ran in the same circle as these people, she may have found out quickly that LE was involved, and needed to do a quick body dump.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 05:05 PM
serial killers usually have killed several before they come on the radar of the cops. If a TRAINED 14 year detective believes she has killed before, I will go with his instinct and we do not know, he may have some strong indications but no hard evidence as of yet.
marlap
12-30-2010, 05:07 PM
My hinky meter is up...I would not be shocked to discover she maybe did the deed alone but for someone else, for some promise of profit. There may not be evidence of it though.
I also would not be shocked if she acted completely alone...maybe to punish some insult or slight she had felt from some adult Jonathon was associated with.
I also would not be shocked if she acted alone, and has killed before, and is a bona fide sadist.
I really hope Jonathon gets justice, whatever that may end up being and for all--even if only one---is involved.
Rest in Peace sweet Jonathon...run and play with the Lord and his other angels.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 05:07 PM
I missed the FIRST minute of the presser but was able to rewind HLN to get the first minute. This is titled: Jonathan Foster: Press Conf. 12/30/10 Part 1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y0poFgtBJI
Lera213
12-30-2010, 05:09 PM
THink about this and sorry to be graphic here so this is your warning to stop reading:
No type of fuel was used to burn the body but yet welding equip was found at her home...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see she used a torch to burn the body. That is UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL! If person can stomach that, then yeah I think she killed before. She is a thrill killer
I hope there is more from LE about her killing others. I've never heard such a statement from LE before unless there WERE other killings. If this helps lead to closure for families, then we need to take it seriously.
But I feel we need to know more as to why they believe this happened before too. I don't want to see us all spinning our wheels trying to match up crimes to Mona either.
JMHO, but I believe he was one of the officers who questioned her. He may have been going by her demeanor and based on his past experience. Also, because she's in her 40's, she's been around and we've seen this over and over, where a perp is arrested for one or two crimes and then, linked back to several others.
I can't recall how many we've seen or even the names. I've lost track of them all that were linked back. Duncan of the Groene case is one, the girl that disappeared from Oregon several years ago, he was found when he committed a crime in an entirely different state. There was a guy is Mass who was later connected in other states, different ages from teens to adult women. Truckers...
I really do believe he's going by his instincts. I think until it's proven otherwise, he may be on to something.
Until we know WHY, or until we've looked at other cases, male, female, child, adult, missing, found, found but burned..............all could or should be just checked out. You never know.
JMHO
fran
jmo, she has killed before and enjoys it, especially boys (young men) of the age of 11 and up. MYN did not go from A-Z in the killing spectrum (the murder, burning, dumping of this body)on a first try. Det. Miller said others described MYN as "bizarre" and "lived in her own world". He said she was a Predator. I have the utmost respect for homicide det. Miller and his 14 years of experience in this dept. That was one of the most forthright and honest Q & A sessions that has ever been broadcast.
hoppyfrog
12-30-2010, 05:13 PM
So question before the arguing starts......lol. Can we discuss other possible cases or what we may find here or not. Not that my opine matters, but I think it should be allowed considering Houston has made it clear it is an avenue they are looking at in regards to Mona. TIA.
We (mods) are right now figuring out where it is best to discuss this topic. Sit tight. We'll get back to you asap.
hoppyfrog
12-30-2010, 05:15 PM
I just wonder if the defendent can be connected to adults as well? I feel uncomfortable using her given name. Or at this point referring to her, even, as human.
Is it against TOS to just call her <modsnip>? Because I don't feel comfortable sharing the same oxygen with something like that. I just don't. Do not.
My grandmother/grandfather were born in and spent their whole lives in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. So that might be a good place to start, given that some of the defendent's crime spree occurred there.
Lemme me know if it is okay to refer to the defendent as <modsnip>. I don't believe said defendent has endeavored to deserve much more than that as a moniker.
It is not okay.
That would be namecalling and is against TOS.
Use her initials.
Thanks,
Hoppy
mod
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 05:15 PM
TYVM Patty G for your hard work in uploading the presser for us.
You are a sweetie. :hug:
marlap
12-30-2010, 05:15 PM
I listened to the press conference but didn't hear one or two questions...
Was one of the questions about whether the ME had determined cause of death and he responded that they hadn't yet?
MsFacetious
12-30-2010, 05:16 PM
Thoughts...
This crime was carried out in a very short space of time. This was said again in the press conference today.
With just those facts and that time line, I believe many would have continued to believe "the step father/mother HAD to have done it, it's just not possible for someone else to have come in and done this in the time they had!"
Even with LE saying she acted alone... people still think the step father did have something to do with it.
If there was not a video of the body being placed there, or no body at all... LE may have continued focusing on the step father as well.
I am the VERY last person in the world to even give the appearance of defending her.... but what if Terri Horman is in a similar situation?
If Mona can pull of this abduction... why couldn't she or someone else have pulled off abducting Kyron?
Jonathan was Christmas Eve - hectic time. Kyron was the Science Fair - hectic time. Both delayed the response. Both are a similar "type" of child who wouldn't be likely to put up a huge struggle. There are some similarities there.
Can someone verify Mona's location the first week of June to eliminate that? I see nothing on my space or facebook.
Would she have stood out in Skyline? Or would she have blended in as a possible maintenance worker? I don't know that specific area of Oregon well as far as what percentage is minorities.
Just what my brain has been wondering since her arrest... I hope LE is wrong and she has not done this before. Either way it has opened up my mind a tiny bit more as far as the circumstances of being abducted by a stranger.
We also see serial killers acting after the loss of a job, a divorce, or some other event like that. Mona had recently lost her job AND had a break up. So I am not surprised that this happened now. I also wouldn't be surprised if her other crimes coincided with other unpleasant events in her life.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 05:16 PM
We (mods) are right now figuring out where it is best to discuss this topic. Sit tight. We'll get back to you asap.
Thank you!
TexasLil
12-30-2010, 05:17 PM
About to go home for the day but wanted to summarize places and dates I have found for MN in certain areas for charges, arrests and/or court appearances. We can probably expand upon this based on her myspace comments about travelling places as well as boxing information. Just wanted to give it a start...
11/12/84 Harris County - Robbery Charges Filed
? Harris County - Arrested
12/8/84 Harris county - Posted Bond
1/17/86 Harris County - Sentenced
6/15/89 Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
8/20/91 Brownsville TX - Charges filed for trans. aliens
9/11/91 Harris County - Placed in Jail - Prob. Viol
Transferred to TDJC to serve prison sentence (3yrs approx)
5/29/96 Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
6/7/96 Smith County - Arrested in Tyler, TX on Warrant
4/3/97 Omaha? - Arrested per Titus Co. Assault Case notes
4/4/97 Titus County - posted bond
5/7/97 Titus County - Theft by Check Charges
6/7/96 Morris County - Arrested per Titus Co. assault case notes but released
7/7/97 Titus county - Arrested
8/13/97 Titus County - Entered Not Guilty Plea
8/20/97 Morris County - Transferred here per Titus County notes
8/4/99 Hopkins County - Parole Violation
http://www.tituscountyonline.net/countyclerk/index.faces
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/search.aspx
peeples
12-30-2010, 05:18 PM
I listened to the press conference but didn't hear one or two questions...
Was one of the questions about whether the ME had determined cause of death and he responded that they hadn't yet?
A COD has not yet been determined, someone else posted and said they heard that burning was NOT the COD
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 05:19 PM
Who down there in the 159ish people in the room would consider themselves a spread sheet expert, I have a feeling one might come in handy in the near future, lol. :innocent:
georgiajean
12-30-2010, 05:21 PM
REpeating Lera's Graphic Warning before quoting:
THink about this and sorry to be graphic here so this is your warning to stop reading:
No type of fuel was used to burn the body but yet welding equip was found at her home...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see she used a torch to burn the body. That is UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL! If person can stomach that, then yeah I think she killed before. She is a thrill killer
Graphic Warning Again:
Going out on a limb here, not sure if I am right. Burning via welding torch could render the body very difficult to identify, but it would still hold together as a body. Which makes the confusion over how can a body be burned beyond recognition, but able to be moved. Sorry.
sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 05:22 PM
T
Even with LE saying she acted alone... people still think the step father did have something to do with it.
If there was not a video of the body being placed there, or no body at all... LE may have continued focusing on the step father as well.
I am the VERY last person in the world to even give the appearance of defending her.... but what if Terri Horman is in a similar situation?
If Mona can pull of this abduction... why couldn't she or someone else have pulled off abducting Kyron?
Gosh, those a very good points. This is the exact reason I said that if a video camera was in the school, then either Terri would be cleared or charged.
Every school should have one, imo.
It's the justice for JF in this case.
ALL JMO!!!
mck16
12-30-2010, 05:22 PM
I'm talking about horrendous cases of women killing children in general. Eliza Baker (killed and dismembered her stepdaughter), Casey Anthony (duct tape over face, child died in car, she threw her out like trash), Teri Horman (suspected of kidnapping her stepson from school during a science fair and then killing him), Baby Gabriel's mom (said in a text to ex that she killed their baby, but a body has never been found), and I'm sure there's more. I've heard of one woman who put her baby in a microwave. One woman who suffocated her stepson in a car and then disposed him, and then spent time with father after that like nothing was wrong, and I could research and come up with a lot more. More and more, women are killing their children or someone else's and doing it more and more horrendous ways. That's what I mean. In a few years, it won't be surprising that women are being accused of doing horrendous things to either their own kids or kids that aren't theirs. No more are women are innocent good mothers who only worry about the welfare of their children. They just throw them out like trash when they don't want them anymore or prey upon other people's children. The vast chasm between them and men is closing fast on crimes against children, including horrendous murder. Poor Zahra was dismembered, and now Jonathon burned beyond recognition. I hate to ask it, but what is the next woman murderer going to do a child that gets in their way, that they don't want, or that they get angry at or abuse?
Is that a true statement? I did not know that they had proven that or even charged her. I knew there was speculation about her and the father, but didn't know it was a fact. tia
Patty G
12-30-2010, 05:22 PM
What comes to my mind is "ships passing in the night". Step-father sees Jonathan at 1:45 PM, then Mona shows up ~ 2:00 PM. Mother is calling from her car ~2:00 PM and Mona picks up, mother then arrives ~after 2:00 PM and no one is home.
It still makes no sense to me.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 05:23 PM
can someone please give me the address of the location JF was found again?
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 05:24 PM
Is that a true statement? I did not know that they had proven that or even charged her. I knew there was speculation about her and the father, but didn't know it was a fact. tia
O/T: None of those four examples given have convictions, and in EB's case the charges are not out yet.
Beyond Belief
12-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Thank you PattyG for the yt tapes. Mind boggling just what kinds of monsters are roaming the earth. I hope the child had passed away before she started in with her torch. I hope she gets her due process quickly.
kalekona
12-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Is he really saying she killed before or is he saying she has abducted kids before? I mean he is asking for any other victims of Mona to contact them-
I don't think she has killed before- she was way to sloppy- but I believe she is a serial SO and or sadist.
(I was raised by my grandparents- lived in suburbia, never wanted for anything-spoiled rotten-but I was never happy- I wanted to live with my mother and until my grandparents reluctantly agreed to let me when I turned 15, I was miserable. In no way was my mother ever meant to be a mother-but that is what i wanted- and even though my life lacked all the niceties and financial security and I was exposed to a lifestyle 180% different than I was use to, I never complained, I was happy-
So I totally get it that JF wanted to be with his mom, and that grandma let him go, he had to have the chance to know his mother and to find out for himself if she was worth his love or not-no one could have imagined the outcome, and grandmother may have hoped he would get his fill and miss his life and want to come home--
Honestly you could have told me my mother was satan's spawn and I never would have believed it-she wasn't but she wasn't the mother i had painted her to be in my dreams,either.)
mck16
12-30-2010, 05:26 PM
O/T: None of those four examples given have convictions, and in EB's case the charges are not out yet.
Thank you. I didn't think so. It would be nice to have resolution though.
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 05:26 PM
What comes to my mind is "ships passing in the night". Step-father sees Jonathan at 1:45 PM, then Mona shows up ~ 2:00 PM. Mother is calling from her car ~2:00 PM and Mona picks up, mother then arrives ~after 2:00 PM and no one is home.
It still makes no sense to me.
That tight time line is bothering me too Patty. Especially since we now know the raspy voice woman was at 2pm according to presser. I'm hoping, when we find out just how well these people knew each other and if there was bad blood, it will make more sense.
human
12-30-2010, 05:26 PM
I so agree with the welding torch as being a sign that this is not a first for her.
marlap
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
A COD has not yet been determined, someone else posted and said they heard that burning was NOT the COD
Oh man, I sure hope not...however he was killed must have been horrific, but being burned like that to cause death is unimaginable.
Thanks for responding Peeples...
SmoothOperator
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
Thank you so very much Patty G for audio of PC for those of us who weren't able to watch or hear.. I appreciate your extra work in making certain that we all have a chance to see and hear such important details of many of the cases here at WS.. Thank you..
I am absolutely floored! FLOORED! at what I have just heard from the Capt and Dets in this case... the details that they shared are literally shocking in a way I was not expecting... I was not expecting the dets to say that Mona had planned and it was her motive to take Jonatthan for her own greed and desires..she waited for the time when she could swoop in and snatch this boy... The dets describe a souless monster that did this..A true predator with every sense of the word..she laid in wait for the opportunity to capture her prey..and she methodically did this on Dec 24 around 2pm..momenets before his mom was to arrive back home from work...
She was "finished" with Jonathan by 6pm when she dumped his little body...I AM FLOORED AND SPEECHLESS AND TERRIBLY SHAKEN BY THIS!
HERE AT WS WE ALL NOW HOW VERY RARE THAT IT IS THE "BOOGEY MAN" THAT SNEAKS AND TAKES THEN MURDERS A CHILD..MUCH MORE OFTEN UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A PARENT OR CLOSE RELATIVE...
IN THIS CASE IT WAS THAT VERY RARE OF OCCURANCES... IT WAS THE BOOGEY MAN THAT INVADED THIS FAMILIES LIFE AND TOOK THE PRECIOUS LIFE OF A SON, JONATHAN FOSTER.. HUG YOUR BABIES TIGHT..BECAUSE THESE SICK MONSTERS THAT USED TO BE ONLY IN NIGHTMARES MANY YEARS AGO...TODAY THEY ARE ALIVE AND THEY ARE REAL AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR NEXT VICTIM{OUR CHILDREN}..
*MONA NELSON, MATTHEW HOFFMAN ARE THE 2 MOST RECENT OF MONSTERS THAT I AM SPEAKING OF!
sherbetjello
12-30-2010, 05:28 PM
Is he really saying she killed before or is he saying she has abducted kids before?
The HLN presser, a reporter stated that she **could** be connected to another cold case but he did not elaborate.
zoomom
12-30-2010, 05:28 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/2010/1230/26320995_640X360.jpg Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
Don't know if this has been answered already. I think it is a facial "burn" from using the welding equipment. It looks like she had a hat on (backwards), and you can almost see that she was wearing goggles too. JMO>
marlap
12-30-2010, 05:29 PM
What comes to my mind is "ships passing in the night". Step-father sees Jonathan at 1:45 PM, then Mona shows up ~ 2:00 PM. Mother is calling from her car ~2:00 PM and Mona picks up, mother then arrives ~after 2:00 PM and no one is home.
It still makes no sense to me.
I agree, this is what made my hinky meter go off too.
I wouldn't be shocked if she acted alone...but am leaning towards not.
TexasLil
12-30-2010, 05:30 PM
Who down there in the 159ish people in the room would consider themselves a spread sheet expert, I have a feeling one might come in handy in the near future, lol. :innocent:
I've already started on lol... a timeline that is. I only have the arrests and court dates and notes in it so far.
Patty G
12-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Don't know if this has been answered already. I think it is a facial "burn" from using the welding equipment. It looks like she had a hat on (backwards), and you can almost see that she was wearing goggles too. JMO>
I feel it is just from wearing a hat all the time and perhaps wears sunglasses a majority of the time too. JMO
jispassnthru
12-30-2010, 05:31 PM
finally caught up! WOO!
I have a serious hard time believing that MN is some sort of sexual predator on little boys. I'm not trying to stereotype, but I dont care that she is a woman it's the fact that IMO Mona might be gay. If this was a little girl that got murdered then yes I would agree, but why take a boy?? Just strange. Mona may just be down for the thrill kill ya know?
....snipped.
IMO MN is not gay but gender identity disorder, she loves women, wouldnt do this to a woman or little girl.
i think she hates men, despises men and it's about power...therefore would target young vulnerable boys, as its all about the torture, humiliation and control for her.
i believe this is a sexual predator, she had nothing to gain from kidnapping JF, nothing missing, she had him presumably for less than 4 hours before his body was dumped.
*WARNING>>>THIS IS GOING TO BE UPSETTING FOR SOME*
i think they will find dna evidence on welding tool and phallic devices worn by MN to link to a sexual crime
tehcloser
12-30-2010, 05:32 PM
6/7/1996 I might not be able to discuss it here since I access federal cases through a sight I pay for. Help me out mods.
That's good enough, I'm local, let me see what I can find for free and post! TY Lil.
Lera213
12-30-2010, 05:33 PM
I agree, this is what made my hinky meter go off too.
I wouldn't be shocked if she acted alone...but am leaning towards not.
I think it can be explained by MN sitting in her truck watching, she saw them come and go, I believe she knew Christmas eve was they day and headed out there early and sat in her truck watching.
human
12-30-2010, 05:34 PM
there is a difference between Terri Horman and the parents of Jonathan.
Step dad said to interview him a thousand times if that's what it took. He said that he loved Jonathan. Those 2 things are different than the Horman case.
belimom
12-30-2010, 05:36 PM
...(snip)...I don't want to see us all spinning our wheels trying to match up crimes to Mona either.
I don't want to see it taking away from Jonathan's thread. I do think another thread might be useful for those who want to pursue it, but I personally would like to keep this thread related to Jonathan and his case. JMHO... :)
Chili Fries
12-30-2010, 05:38 PM
There have been many women pedophiles and Wiki references a 2006 study which looked at 86 women serial killers in the US. That study is available only to the subscribers of the medical journal. I can't see it in it's entirety so I don't have specifics.
A notorious example of a woman killing for an unclear motive is Beverley Allitt in England, a nurse who killed 4 children and injured 9 others by injecting them with insulin or KCl.
belimom
12-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Please do not post info from paid sites due to copyright issues. :tyou:
(OT: Thank you for saving my sanity! I know I have seen this elsewhere - just can't remember which thread but will stop searching for it. At least I know that I wasn't imagining it...:crazy:)
WhyaDuck?
12-30-2010, 05:39 PM
There have been many women pedophiles and Wiki references a 2006 study which looked at 86 women serial killers in the US. That study is available only to the subscribers of the medical journal so I can't see it in it's entirety though so I don't have specifics.
A notorious example of a woman killing for an unclear motive is Beverley Allitt in England, a nurse who killed 4 children and injured 9 others by injecting them with insulin or KCl.
Mary Bell comes to mind, as well.
hoppyfrog
12-30-2010, 05:40 PM
If you want to discuss other possible crimes in which MN is the perp, please go to this new thread we created:
Is Mona Nelson of Houston TX a serial killer? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Thanks!
mydailyopinions
12-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Just out of curiosity, Patty G, do you think HPD are putting on a show with this presser, or just wrong?
I do think she probably did it and acted alone. And I am afraid they'll find more victims when they figure out the MO to look for. I'm not convinced it was sexually motivated except in the sense that torturing someone could have a sexually arousing affect for the perp.
MOO :twocents:
I believe she did it and acted alone in doing so. I don't think it was related to anything sexual either, I believe it was kind of the same as the teenager who killed the young girl "just to see what it was like to kill", except, I do believe that she has done this before.
Some people are just evil.
belimom
12-30-2010, 05:40 PM
There have been many women pedophiles and Wiki references a 2006 study which looked at 86 women serial killers in the US. That study is available only to the subscribers of the medical journal. I can't see it in it's entirety so I don't have specifics.
A notorious example of a woman killing for an unclear motive is Beverley Allitt in England, a nurse who killed 4 children and injured 9 others by injecting them with insulin or KCl.
A simple Google search will turn up tons of sites. Here's one:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/index.html
I swear there's a recent one besides little Sandra Cantu. One we've sleuthed, I think? :waitasec:
epiphany
12-30-2010, 05:43 PM
I so agree with the welding torch as being a sign that this is not a first for her.
Agree with you. Also, the homicide detective is both seasoned and interviewed her:
SNIPPED
http://www.khou.com/news/Police-Woman-charged-in-boys-death-a-cold-soulless-murderer-112682194.html
I was one of the detectives to interview Mona Nelson, and I can tell you that she is a cold, soulless murderer who showed an absolute lack of remorse in taking the life of Jonathan Foster," HPD Homicide Det. Michael Miller said.
And...
Miller said. "I’ve worked in the homicide division for 14 years and this is the worst case that I’ve been a part of."
And it appears to be his opinion that:
"Do I believe she’s done it before? Yeah, I do. I don’t believe she began and ended with the abduction of Jonathan Foster," Miller said.
Beyond Belief
12-30-2010, 05:48 PM
This is so horrible, I just keep feeling inside this woman is HATE.
Kimster
12-30-2010, 05:48 PM
You know what? I came by earlier and mentioned that posting info from a paid site is a copyright infringement. Then there's all these sneaky looking posts about it after that. The mods in here are having enough of a time just trying to keep abreast of a very busy news issue, answering questions, and trying to help with suggestions. Blatant posts trying to undermine the rules publicly is totally bad form.
Be nice to the mods in here and I mean it. I won't post any more warnings and will just start issuing time outs instead.
KT Can
12-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Now...that was a press conference!!!
Strategical, methodical...sending Ms Mona a message, IMO!
I am not surprised, as I said earlier, the experience I've had with HPD and Harris County Pros in a very high profile case...followed with a very high profiled "dream team"...didn't shake them one bit! They, my friends, are on their game...they will fight for Jonathan!
Our news reporting might leave a lot to be desired, but our LE here in Houston, HPD and Harris County SD, are top notch when it comes to high profile crimes. We're the fourth largest city and the death penalty capital of the US and we don't mess around. I know LE were getting a bad rap at the beginning of this thing but I have faith that it was handled as best as it could be with the information that they were given. Kudos to them for a quick and thorough resolution to this most awful situation. Ms. Nelson is toast.
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 05:52 PM
Is that a true statement? I did not know that they had proven that or even charged her. I knew there was speculation about her and the father, but didn't know it was a fact. tia
<modadd> Zahra's case - /OT Okay, not tried and convicted yet, but she probably will be. She led LE to the dismembered body and evidence was in her and the dad's house. The odds of her not being involved somehow are extremely low. I guess I should have said that a child was dismembered. I was trying to point out how horrendous what happened to Zahra was. And most likely it was committed by Eliza Baker, but we do have to wait and see how the case unfolds next year to find out for sure.
Getting back to Jonathan's case, I thought what happened to Zahra was the worst thing I had ever heard someone do to a child. And then Jonathan's body is burned <modadd: maybe> with a welding torch beyond recognition. And now that is the top of my list, unfortunately :(
Kimmer
12-30-2010, 05:55 PM
I am not completely caught up reading but here it goes, Mona has been in the system for years and I also would imagine so has her DNA, with all the forensics that go into a crime science, I just cannot see her being able to go around and killing numerous people without a hit on her DNA....Now as far as doing it alone I for one am having a hard time with that, If she knows she is busted dumping the body why not just fess up to the whole mess, I know the needle and I get that but sitting a lying thru your teeth and having no remorse is going to get you that already, so you may as well just put up or shut up, If you can do the crime do the damn time.
Aedrys
12-30-2010, 05:59 PM
I am not completely caught up reading but here it goes, Mona has been in the system for years and I also would imagine so has her DNA, with all the forensics that go into a crime science, I just cannot see her being able to go around and killing numerous people without a hit on her DNA....Now as far as doing it alone I for one am having a hard time with that, If she knows she is busted dumping the body why not just fess up to the whole mess, I know the needle and I get that but sitting a lying thru your teeth and having no remorse is going to get you that already, so you may as well just put up or shut up, If you can do the crime do the damn time.
I'm wondering if she burns away all DNA with the blow torch? Maybe that's why she's never been caught? I doubt she would have been caught this time if it hadn't been for that video that caught her dumping the body.
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Well this is the most depressing end of the year I've ever had...what a sad, twisted case...
I agree - what a GD way to end the year. I had to look up when NYeve was because I was so involved with this case. Can't believe it's tomorrow, and the new year starts on Saturday. Can you tell I have no plans!
Please, Lord, please - make 2011 better for all the children in this world.
Hugs,
Mel
Patty G
12-30-2010, 06:01 PM
FWIW
I have always had respect for LE doing their investigation of a case and never once did I ever post anything negative about LE.
However, today, I felt that the "power of suggestion" was flashing before my eyes using flash cards that read: "predator, serial killer, torches".
Plant a seed and watch the tree grow!
This is just how I felt personally.
Strawberry Fields
12-30-2010, 06:01 PM
I think their scale might be broken, look at the weight.
Been reading in horror since this case first broke and am not sure this adds anything at all to the case at this point but how in the world is this person 130 pounds? Did they weigh her or just ask her for her height/weight when booking her? Glad I was not the only person who noticed this, FWIW, Jo in Calif. First I was reading and saw the "build" listed as "medium" and thought that was sort of odd as from what I had seen of the individual getting into the car with the police, she appeared to be a large boned person. Again, I'm sure this is not adding anything to the case, but for future reference, it would be good to know her real weight/height.
Also wanted to say how sorry I am for the family of little Jonathan. Sorry just does not seem like a good enough word to offer at this point. I feel helpless in knowing anything comforting to say. The look on the detectives' faces spoke volumes, in my opinion. Bless them all for what they do and I pray for strength for them and the family.
Salem
12-30-2010, 06:02 PM
I just wonder if the defendent can be connected to adults as well? I feel uncomfortable using her given name. Or at this point referring to her, even, as human.
Is it against TOS to just call her IT? Because I don't feel comfortable sharing the same oxygen with something like that. I just don't. Do not.
My grandmother/grandfather were born in and spent their whole lives in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. So that might be a good place to start, given that some of the defendent's crime spree occurred there.
Lemme me know if it is okay to refer to the defendent as IT. I don't believe said defendent has endeavored to deserve much more than that as a moniker.
I don't know if this has been responded too because I don't have time to go through all the pages.
If it has not - then the answer is NO. It would be considering name calling. However, you may call her the "accused," or use her initials "MN" or call her the "alleged perp." All of those would be fine. My suggestion is to call her "MN" because then everyone knows who you are talking about.
Hope that helps - if another mod answered this before me - please do as they say.
Thanks,
Salem
TheCynic
12-30-2010, 06:02 PM
I got the definite impression from the press conference that the Detective does not believe this is her first crime because of the (implied) extreme circumstances. He described them finding a lot of evidence and having a very hard time with it. He said that in his 14 years as a homicide detective this is the worst case he's dealt with.
Given that Houston is not exactly a small town, and I'm sure he's seen plenty of horrible things, that spoke volumes to me. I think eventually we will find out some awful things about what happened to Jonathan and I felt literally sick listening today.
I think the words he chose - greed, desire, predator, other victims - make it sound like he believes this was a sex offense, among other things probably. When asked about motive, he mentioned (among other things) waiting for information on COD, etc. So I think we have only scratched the surface of what happened to this poor child.
salvarenga
12-30-2010, 06:03 PM
I am not completely caught up reading but here it goes, Mona has been in the system for years and I also would imagine so has her DNA, with all the forensics that go into a crime science, I just cannot see her being able to go around and killing numerous people without a hit on her DNA....Now as far as doing it alone I for one am having a hard time with that, If she knows she is busted dumping the body why not just fess up to the whole mess, I know the needle and I get that but sitting a lying thru your teeth and having no remorse is going to get you that already, so you may as well just put up or shut up, If you can do the crime do the damn time.
Unfortunately the CODIS System (national DNA database) is beyond backlogged. It could take years for things to catch up and then someone has to be looking. We just had an arrest here where they had DNA from a 2006 rape that was just now matched up...it's almost 2011, KWIM.
Debbie3223
12-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Maybe she murdered .. to get pumped up for fights... or after breakups?
Jokerswild
12-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Here's the latest Houston Chronicle article that details mn's criminal past:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:03 PM
/OT Okay, not tried and convicted yet, but she probably will be. She led LE to the dismembered body and evidence was in her and the dad's house. The odds of her not being involved somehow are extremely low. I guess I should have said that a child was dismembered. I was trying to point out how horrendous what happened to Zahra was. And most likely it was committed by Eliza Baker, but we do have to wait and see how the case unfolds next year to find out for sure.
Getting back to Jonathan's case, I thought what happened to Zahra was the worst thing I had ever heard someone do to a child. And then Jonathan's body is burned with a welding torch beyond recognition. And now that is the top of my list, unfortunately :(
BBM - been off for a few hours, sorry. Is there a link that indicates that Jonathan was burned with a welding torch?
All the best,
Mel
sherryk
12-30-2010, 06:05 PM
I have been trying to catch up all day. I check on if news media shows, NG would be covering this. I pulled up Nancy's site and I do not see anything that indicates she is covering the entire story tonigh?
I am just trying to catch up and thought I would watch at 8pm
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:07 PM
BBM - been off for a few hours, sorry. Is there a link that indicates that Jonathan was burned with a welding torch?
All the best,
Mel
They said so today at the press conference, that was no accelerant used on the body, and she was a welder they are surmising he was burnt with acetelyne torches
Kimmer
12-30-2010, 06:08 PM
BBM - been off for a few hours, sorry. Is there a link that indicates that Jonathan was burned with a welding torch?
All the best,
Mel
Mel, they spoke about it in the presser today, so sad...If you go back a few pages Patti has the presser on her ut account.
burbqueen
12-30-2010, 06:08 PM
I am not completely caught up reading but here it goes, Mona has been in the system for years and I also would imagine so has her DNA, with all the forensics that go into a crime science, I just cannot see her being able to go around and killing numerous people without a hit on her DNA....Now as far as doing it alone I for one am having a hard time with that, If she knows she is busted dumping the body why not just fess up to the whole mess, I know the needle and I get that but sitting a lying thru your teeth and having no remorse is going to get you that already, so you may as well just put up or shut up, If you can do the crime do the damn time.
I agree with you!! The first part at least. She has been in and out of jail so many times I just dont get how she would get away with murder and like someone said she was waaaay too sloppy, but sometimes murders get cocky.
She doesnt want to fess up maybe cause this is a way for her to be defiant? They said in the beginning she wasnt working with the police and being difficult. I think she will confess in time once all the evidence is laid out before her.
As i've said before I'm gonna say it again. I dont think we will ever find a true motive as to why she did this. Maybe JF said something to her to make her mad and she beat him up or pushed him down causing his death. MN panics and tried to cover up the crime by burning him.
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:10 PM
This is so horrible, I just keep feeling inside this woman is HATE.
I totally agree with you BB. Based on her past criminal actions, and Jonathans death - I can't even consider her to be human. There's a dark heart there that no one can explain. I'm afraid we'll never get the answer as to why.
My blessings to Jonathan and his family.
Mel
Bluesky#1
12-30-2010, 06:11 PM
I have no idea who installed the camera and your other questions except to give my opinion that it was 6pm when she dumped the body, so how dark is it in Texas at 6pm? Here on the EST it is dark, maybe she didn't even notice the camera. My guess is she went driving and just decided to pull over there. Unless this neighborhood she knew someone in that neighborhood and was thinking to frame them. She did try to implicate others as reported in the presser.
The lead detective in the early part of the press conference answered my question about the security video.
He said a passing motorist on Tuesday morning, Dec 28 at approximately 10 am spotted what looked like a body in the ditch and the assigned detectives who responded to the scene determined that it may be related to the missing boy judging by the size of the body.
Detectives began an on-scene investigation and found out that a business named Rolled Alloys have security cameras that record so they went and obtained the tapes from the business. (The business did not spot the incident when they reviewed the tapes and contact LE). Thank God Rolled Alloys didn't erase the tapes or tape over them. When LE viewed the tapes, they saw someone driving a silver truck dispose of what could be a body around 6 pm on December 24th.
These detectives then forwarded a photo of the truck they saw in the security video to the detectives working on JF’s case. who were in the process of questioning MN at her place. LE were able to obtain a probable cause warrant based on the mounting evidence they found at the home.
If MN was fired, maybe she was angry with her employer?
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:14 PM
They said so today at the press conference, that was no accelerant used on the body, and she was a welder they are surmising he was burnt with acetelyne torches
:furious::furious::furious::furious:
My heart is breaking more than it was last night. I think I need a valium!
Mel
westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 06:16 PM
BBM - been off for a few hours, sorry. Is there a link that indicates that Jonathan was burned with a welding torch?
All the best,
Mel
It wa sin the presser. I dont have the link handy but Patty posted it a short ways back. HTH
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:17 PM
Funerals and such:
Does anyone know what the plans are for a memorial? Is there a fund set up? This young boy needs the best funeral that money can buy (IMHO). He should be honored on earth as he will be in heaven.
Jonathan needs to rest in peace, and a proper burial can do just that -- with love and hope surrounding him.
Has anyone heard of any plans?
Bless,
Mel
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:18 PM
this part kills me, i keep thinking what could they have found that has shaken them up this badly..
"Once we arrived at her house, we stumbled into a wealth of evidence – evidence that showed that Jonathan’s body was burned at the residence. Evidence that showed, perhaps, the items that he was burned with. Evidence that had us fairly shaken up in collecting it," Miller said.
Investigators said they found burned carpet and twine—similar to material that was found with the body—in Nelson’s home, as well as other physical evidence in a trash can.
They also found welding torches.
Miller said the killer did not use an accelerant to burn Foster’s body, and the welding torches were being tested for evidence.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html
Dear Prudence
12-30-2010, 06:20 PM
This is so horrible, I just keep feeling inside this woman is HATE.
Yes, I get HATE and RAGE.
rotterdam
12-30-2010, 06:20 PM
Does anyone feel that Mona DIDN'T act alone? Hit the thanks button.
I feel she didn't act alone.
Personally I think Mona acted alone. The confusion in the beginning could be because AD,DD and others have a mistrust in LE. Common in a druggie environment.
Many probably had something to hide that could land them in jail or they knew certain things about other people that could get them in trouble and vice versa, totally unrelated to Jonathan's abduction though. Mum or minimal info is the word in such an environment, you do not want to be labeled as a snitch, LE lover. Self preservation comes first.
They just did not realize the life threatening trouble Jonathan was in and obviously did not peg Mona as a dangerous predator.
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 06:23 PM
Funerals and such:
Does anyone know what the plans are for a memorial? Is there a fund set up? This young boy needs the best funeral that money can buy (IMHO). He should be honored on earth as he will be in heaven.
Jonathan needs to rest in peace, and a proper burial can do just that -- with love and hope surrounding him.
Has anyone heard of any plans?
Bless,
Mel
These same thoughts were just going through my head.
He deserves to be honored.
Maybe one of the admin/mods will find out and we can do our part for this precious angel.
jmho
rpipergirl
12-30-2010, 06:25 PM
I don't have words for this. I just want to cry. How can you kill someone with a WELDING TORCH!!! That is inconceivable to me. How did the whole building not hear screams I can't even imagine or smell the burning. I don't believe in the death penalty,however, if she gets the chair it still will be kinder that what that poor child got. She's inhuman!!! I am beyond angry. I can't get the thought of Jonathan's suffering out of my head and heart.
PattyG, I subscribed to your you tube and friended you. I'm Benoitbabe.
Just a note: Not all stepparents are bad. My mom's stepdad raised her from a year old and loved her as his own. He was the only dad she ever knew and the only grampa I ever knew. Let's give DD and other stepoparents the benifit of the doubt a little more in these cases. This board tends to be hard on them. IMO
epiphany
12-30-2010, 06:27 PM
BBM - been off for a few hours, sorry. Is there a link that indicates that Jonathan was burned with a welding torch?
All the best,
Mel
http://www.khou.com/news/Police-Woman-charged-in-boys-death-a-cold-soulless-murderer-112682194.html
SNIPPED:
Investigators said they found burned carpet and twine—similar to material that was found with the body—in Nelson’s home, as well as other physical evidence in a trash can.
They also found welding torches.
Miller said the killer did not use an accelerant to burn Foster’s body, and the welding torches were being tested for evidence.
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:29 PM
I don't have words for this. I just want to cry. How can you kill someone with a WELDING TORCH!!! That is inconceivable to me. How did the whole building not hear screams I can't even imagine or smell the burning. I don't believe in the death penalty,however, if she gets the chair it still will be kinder that what that poor child got. She's inhuman!!! I am beyond angry. I can't get the thought of Jonathan's suffering out of my head and heart.
PattyG, I subscribed to your you tube and friended you. I'm Benoitbabe.
Just a note: Not all stepparents are bad. My mom's stepdad raised her from a year old and loved her as his own. He was the only dad she ever knew and the only grampa I ever knew. Let's give DD and other stepoparents the benifit of the doubt a little more in these cases. This board tends to be hard on them. IMO
They don't know what the for sure COD is, however they do NOT believe he was burned to death.
Ms Suzanne
12-30-2010, 06:30 PM
These same thoughts were just going through my head.
He deserves to be honored.
Maybe one of the admin/mods will find out and we can do our part for this precious angel.
jmho
Yes,I agree he does deserves to be honored.Rest in peace little Jonathan.Fly Jonathan Fly.Justice will come for you.It will.
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 06:30 PM
I am not completely caught up reading but here it goes, Mona has been in the system for years and I also would imagine so has her DNA, with all the forensics that go into a crime science, I just cannot see her being able to go around and killing numerous people without a hit on her DNA....Now as far as doing it alone I for one am having a hard time with that, If she knows she is busted dumping the body why not just fess up to the whole mess, I know the needle and I get that but sitting a lying thru your teeth and having no remorse is going to get you that already, so you may as well just put up or shut up, If you can do the crime do the damn time.
Was collecting DNA retroactive and what are the parimeters of collecting DNA in Texas? Has she been recently convicted of a crime that would warrant DNA collection? Mona's DNA may not be in the system at all.
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:31 PM
OT- Those local to Jonathan's area, can you pm me with florist recommendations please :( I don't know anyone else to ask and I don't trust teleflorists, sorry for the OT.
ETA: I'd like to send something when funeral arrangements are made public. that's why I'm asking :(
SuziQ
12-30-2010, 06:35 PM
FWIW
I have always had respect for LE doing their investigation of a case and never once did I ever post anything negative about LE.
However, today, I felt that the "power of suggestion" was flashing before my eyes using flash cards that read: "predator, serial killer, torches".
Plant a seed and watch the tree grow!
This is just how I felt personally.
IDK, I can't imagine LE wanting to open that can of worms unless they had a good reason. It's the reason LE waits on cases like the Grim Sleeper to do that. They will be fielding hundreds if not thousands of tips.
everyoneneedsavoice
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I can't remember if this was posted earlier or not?
Nelson is no stranger to the legal system. She has a lengthy criminal record.
1984: Nelson was convicted of aggravated robbery in Harris County. She was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
1997: She was convicted of theft by check in Daingerfield, Texas. She was also found guilty of theft in Mount Vernon, Texas, and served 30 days in jail.
1998: She was arrested on a charge of operating a stolen vehicle.
2001: Nelson pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana. She served 29 days of a 30-day sentence.
2002: Nelson was convicted of possession of marijuana in Collin County.
2004: She was convicted of making a terroristic threat in Mount Vernon, Va.
2005: Nelson was convicted of criminal mischief in Mount Vernon, Va.
2006: Nelson was arrested on a battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
2008: She was arrested on a charge of assault on a family member in Mount Pleasant, Texas.
There is also a slideshow memoriam of Jonathan (menu on left of pg)
<snipped> http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html
Much more at link
BOZGAL
12-30-2010, 06:38 PM
Yes,I agree he does deserves to be honored.Rest in peace little Jonathan.Fly Jonathan Fly.Justice will come for you.It will.
And mgardner so graciously brought this up first.
We need to do what we can.
jmho
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:38 PM
OT- Those local to Jonathan's area, can you pm me with florist recommendations please :( I don't know anyone else to ask and I don't trust teleflorists, sorry for the OT.
ETA: I'd like to send something when funeral arrangements are made public. that's why I'm asking :(
That's totally not OT. If we can find the funeral home, then we can send flowers there. I would like Jonathan surrounded by beauty, and know that all his friends here at WS are here for him.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm sure the media will be forthcoming in the burial plans soon.
Hugs,
Mel
everyoneneedsavoice
12-30-2010, 06:38 PM
OT- Those local to Jonathan's area, can you pm me with florist recommendations please :( I don't know anyone else to ask and I don't trust teleflorists, sorry for the OT.
ETA: I'd like to send something when funeral arrangements are made public. that's why I'm asking :(
That's so nice of you...considering the size of Houston, I would find out where the services will be held first and then contact the funeral home and ask...sorry, but I wouldn't know where to begin with florists in that area...if all else fails, i will call the florist I use out my way and get the info to you...will that work?
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:41 PM
That's so nice of you...considering the size of Houston, I would find out where the services will be held first and then contact the funeral home and ask...sorry, but I wouldn't know where to begin with florists in that area...if all else fails, i will call the florist I use out my way and get the info to you...will that work?
That would be perfect, thank you :)
I need to do something productive something to ease the pain of his family..... this case just hurts my soul
Amster
12-30-2010, 06:42 PM
Did the detective say David and Angela knew Mona?
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Did the detective say David and Angela knew Mona?
They said as acquaintances and said that she was known to Jonathan as well
Melanie
12-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Personally I think Mona acted alone. The confusion in the beginning could be because AD,DD and others have a mistrust in LE. Common in a druggie environment.
Many probably had something to hide that could land them in jail or they knew certain things about other people that could get them in trouble and vice versa, totally unrelated to Jonathan's abduction though. Mum or minimal info is the word in such an environment, you do not want to be labeled as a snitch, LE lover. Self preservation comes first.
They just did not realize the life threatening trouble Jonathan was in and obviously did not peg Mona as a dangerous predator.
In my heart, with no proof whatsoever, I do believe Mona acted alone. The motive - unknown.
Maybe in the coming days we'll find out more. Today is just a horrible mess of mumbo-jumble that I'm trying to figure out :(
MOO
Mel
Kelly Faraday
12-30-2010, 06:47 PM
These detectives then forwarded a photo of the truck they saw in the security video to the detectives working on JF’s case. who were in the process of questioning MN at her place. LE were able to obtain a probable cause warrant based on the mounting evidence they found at the home.
So she was already a suspect BEFORE they even had the video?
K.
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:52 PM
So she was already a suspect BEFORE they even had the video?
K.
Well she was being questioned because she had told people she had seen him at 12:30 the day he went missing and told them he answered the dooor with no shirt seemed like someone else was in the room etc etc. so they were questioning her as one of the last people to see him.
rpipergirl
12-30-2010, 06:54 PM
It said that He was killed with the welding torch on PattyG's You Tube tape from HLN.
I can't understand with such an extensive criminal record how on earth did she get that job!?
Starry Night
12-30-2010, 06:54 PM
Here's the latest Houston Chronicle article that details mn's criminal past:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html
WOW! Wonder how many people she killed during her activities as a 'coyote'... This is one opportunistic depraved individual. The detective is right. Soulless. He must be very shook up.
Blue Eyed Chick
12-30-2010, 06:54 PM
Is it inappropriate to go to his funeral services if I don't know him, but I care?
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:55 PM
It said that He was killed with the welding torch on PattyG's You Tube tape from HLN.
I can't understand with such an extensive criminal record how on earth did she get that job!?
Interesting because LE didn't say that during the press conference.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 06:55 PM
They said as acquaintances and said that she was known to Jonathan as well
So why would someone on the phone (allegedly Mona, since she is a suspect) be asking "is your mother's name Angela?"
everyoneneedsavoice
12-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Very informative article...If this was posted earlier today, then I missed it...
<snipped>
In 1992, Nelson asked a judge to shorten her sentence to allow her to go through a "boot camp" program or even enlist in the U.S. army.
"I’m aware that I was sentenced to 10 yrs (sic) incarceration, but I would very much like to be productive," she wrote.
The request was denied.
In 1986, she pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery and received 10 years probation after she and a friend held up a barbecue restaurant in Houston with a rifle, according to court records.
When the robbery went sour, the pair fled as the restaurant owner shot at the car.
Police stopped the duo after a brief chase and arrested Nelson and her cohort.
On July 30, 1991, U.S. Border Patrol agents arrested Nelson at 4 a.m. in Kenedy County with five illegal immigrants from Mexico. One of the Mexican men told authorities Nelson had picked them up in Brownsville for a fee, according to court records.
She took the men north, stopping short of a checkpoint for the immigrants to get out and go through the woods in an attempt to circumvent the checkpoint.
Agents began watching Nelson, who was parked north of the checkpoint. The five men eventually emerged from the brush and got into the car. The group was arrested shortly thereafter.
Nelson’s probation was revoked for the violation and she served six months concurrent with the 10-year sentence imposed. She was paroled after three years.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Is it inappropriate to go to his funeral services if I don't know him, but I care?
If I was in TX and it was open to the public, I'd be there in a heartbeat. If you go.. represent those of us who cannot make but sure wish we could. (HUG)
annalyzer
12-30-2010, 06:56 PM
his hands were bound and he was burned with a welding torch. i hope he wasn't burned alive. :(
peeples
12-30-2010, 06:57 PM
So why would someone on the phone (allegedly Mona, since she is a suspect) be asking "is your mother's name Angela?"
No clue unfortnately :(
everyoneneedsavoice
12-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Is it inappropriate to go to his funeral services if I don't know him, but I care?
I don't think so...in fact, if I weren't going out of town, I would probably go myself.
I think it is a compassionate gesture and unless they request a private service, then I think you should do whatever your heart tells you to do.
Beyond Belief
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Is it inappropriate to go to his funeral services if I don't know him, but I care?
I believe there will be many people there who didn't know him personally, so please go. And take my families love there with you because I care too.
epiphany
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Yikes. My God. Some details on MN's extensive criminal background @ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html:
Mona Yvette Nelson, 44, pleaded guilty to fleeing the scene of an armed robbery in a hail of gunfire in 1986, then five years later trafficked Mexican nationals for $600 apiece sending her to prison for three years, according to court documents obtained by the Houston Chronicle.
Epiph: Surprisingly, she allowed them to search her home and vehicle. Perhaps, she's grown weary of the life now:
http://www.khou.com/news/Police-Woman-charged-in-boys-death-a-cold-soulless-murderer-112682194.html
SNIPPED
Police said though the video appeared to show Nelson and her truck, she initially denied it was her.
She did, however, permit them to search her vehicle and her home, which was about three miles from where the body was found.
jjenny
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Very informative article...If this was posted earlier today, then I missed it...
<snipped>
In 1992, Nelson asked a judge to shorten her sentence to allow her to go through a "boot camp" program or even enlist in the U.S. army.
"I’m aware that I was sentenced to 10 yrs (sic) incarceration, but I would very much like to be productive," she wrote.
The request was denied.
In 1986, she pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery and received 10 years probation after she and a friend held up a barbecue restaurant in Houston with a rifle, according to court records.
When the robbery went sour, the pair fled as the restaurant owner shot at the car.
Police stopped the duo after a brief chase and arrested Nelson and her cohort.
On July 30, 1991, U.S. Border Patrol agents arrested Nelson at 4 a.m. in Kenedy County with five illegal immigrants from Mexico. One of the Mexican men told authorities Nelson had picked them up in Brownsville for a fee, according to court records.
She took the men north, stopping short of a checkpoint for the immigrants to get out and go through the woods in an attempt to circumvent the checkpoint.
Agents began watching Nelson, who was parked north of the checkpoint. The five men eventually emerged from the brush and got into the car. The group was arrested shortly thereafter.
Nelson’s probation was revoked for the violation and she served six months concurrent with the 10-year sentence imposed. She was paroled after three years.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html
I have absolutely no clue as to why someone would get probation for aggravated robbery!
Kelly Faraday
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Well she was being questioned because she had told people she had seen him at 12:30 the day he went missing and told them he answered the dooor with no shirt seemed like someone else was in the room etc etc. so they were questioning her as one of the last people to see him.
Thanks for the clarification Peeples. I thought she gave that info. after her arrest to cover her you-know-what after being seen in the area earlier. I really wish she would just explain WHY she did this. It wouldn't change anything, I know. But I can't help wondering what her reason was for committing such an unthinkable act.
K.
peeples
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
QUESTION:
At the press conference it was stated (and this is not verbatim) Mona was known to jonathan and a frequent visitor to the APARTMENT..
I'm confused at their use of the word apartment, do they mean the SD's apartment? Did they accidentally say apartment and mean the duplex/cottage etc. where Jonathan and his mom were staying???
JenRen
12-30-2010, 07:00 PM
This case hurts my heart, and it's the first one that I've actually cried myself to sleep over since lurking around here for a few years, and I've read some horrifying things here. My only solace comes from knowing he wasn't with her for long, a few hours instead of a few days. This poor, sweet, innocent little boy and his family will forever be in my heart.
I do believe she acted alone, and I have the feeling she has done bad things before. I don't think she has a motive besides pure, unadulterated evil. I think she likes the power and control it gives her over her victim/s. Whether through murder, or abuse. MOO
zoomom
12-30-2010, 07:03 PM
I don't think so...in fact, if I weren't going out of town, I would probably go myself.
I think it is a compassionate gesture and unless they request a private service, then I think you should do whatever your heart tells you to do.
You would be going to pay your respect. I think that is a wonderful gesture. I wish I could go.
kalekona
12-30-2010, 07:04 PM
The HLN presser, a reporter stated that she **could** be connected to another cold case but he did not elaborate.
Thanks, I hadn't heard that. If that is the casethe presser makes a little more sense.
epiphany
12-30-2010, 07:09 PM
QUESTION:
At the press conference it was stated (and this is not verbatim) Mona was known to jonathan and a frequent visitor to the APARTMENT..
I'm confused at their use of the word apartment, do they mean the SD's apartment? Did they accidentally say apartment and mean the duplex/cottage etc. where Jonathan and his mom were staying???
Believe reference is to SE's, roommate and frequent babysitter of JF, residence. Since SE has been described as a "frequent" sitter of J's, I'm surmising MN visited SE, and that may be how MN was known by Jonathan.
~greeneyedgirl~
12-30-2010, 07:10 PM
I'm talking about horrendous cases of women killing children in general. Eliza Baker (killed and dismembered her stepdaughter), Casey Anthony (duct tape over face, child died in car, she threw her out like trash), Teri Horman (suspected of kidnapping her stepson from school during a science fair and then killing him), Baby Gabriel's mom (said in a text to ex that she killed their baby, but a body has never been found), and I'm sure there's more. I've heard of one woman who put her baby in a microwave. One woman who suffocated her stepson in a car and then disposed him, and then spent time with father after that like nothing was wrong, and I could research and come up with a lot more. More and more, women are killing their children or someone else's and doing it more and more horrendous ways. That's what I mean. In a few years, it won't be surprising that women are being accused of doing horrendous things to either their own kids or kids that aren't theirs. No more are women are innocent good mothers who only worry about the welfare of their children. They just throw them out like trash when they don't want them anymore or prey upon other people's children. The vast chasm between them and men is closing fast on crimes against children, including horrendous murder. Poor Zahra was dismembered, and now Jonathon burned beyond recognition. I hate to ask it, but what is the next woman murderer going to do a child that gets in their way, that they don't want, or that they get angry at or abuse?
And our beautiful Victoria Stafford of Woodstock Ontario Canada. A 19 year old girl is now serving a life sentence for what she did to Victoria....It is becoming more and more public, I don't think its really anymore then before but just that the internet enables us to know what is really going on everywhere......there are no words...
belimom
12-30-2010, 07:12 PM
They don't know what the for sure COD is, however they do NOT believe he was burned to death.
I hope this is true, but has LE actually stated it yet?
Kimmer
12-30-2010, 07:14 PM
his hands were bound and he was burned with a welding torch. i hope he wasn't burned alive. :(
During the presser today Det Miller was asked that exact question and he said from speaking to the ME that he has been told that Johnathan was dead before being burned but the ME has yet to give an exact cause of death....IMO HLN and the Houston reporter are the ones who have put out to the public that he was burned to death, if you go back and listen to the presser that is not at all what LE said...Again trying to make a terrible story more sensational just what HLN seems to be all about these days.
Texas Mist
12-30-2010, 07:14 PM
<snip>
Officials said that in December 2005 there was an allegation of neglected supervision and physical abuse of Jonathan and his half sister when they were living in Galveston County. When CPS went to investigate the claims, both children were living with other relatives and the case was closed.
In Houston in December 2006, there was a second allegation of neglect, physical abuse and medical neglect of both Jonathan and his half sister, officials said. The case was closed because Jonathan had moved to his uncle's home out of state and his half sister was living with her grandmother.
more here - heart-wrenching to read of Uncle Glenn's love for Jonathan. :(
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26325836/detail.html
Lera213
12-30-2010, 07:16 PM
on a side note; Usually when a person is charged with murder a family or friend will speak out saying stuff like "I knew her but but she couldn't hurt a fly" however as of yet not one person has spoke out, like a family or childhood friend.
Where are her parents? Where did she grow up? Was she adopted and went through the system from foster parents here and there until she turned 18? Questions I have.
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