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Kimster
12-30-2010, 05:30 PM
"Miller said investigators were looking through other missing children’s cases to see if they might be connected to Nelson, but so far, they’ve found none.

"Do I believe she’s done it before? Yeah, I do. I don’t believe she began and ended with the abduction of Jonathan Foster," Miller said." <snipped>

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Police-Woman-charged-in-boys-death-a-cold-soulless-murderer-112682194.html

Nelson was arrested yesterday in the murder of Jonathan Foster. Because LE has made this statement that she may have killed before, we're creating this thread for sleuthing.

Please discuss Jonathan Foster's case on threads that are dedicated specifically to that case and not in this thread. This thread is for sleuthing other crimes. :tyou:

Kimster
12-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Check out this old thread too. Oh my gosh - what if?

Serial Killer in Houston? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

TexasLil
12-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Bringing my beginning of a timeline over here for making connections to areas:

About to go home for the day but wanted to summarize places and dates I have found for MN in certain areas for charges, arrests and/or court appearances. We can probably expand upon this based on her myspace comments about travelling places as well as boxing information. Just wanted to give it a start...

11/12/84 Harris County - Robbery Charges Filed
? Harris County - Arrested
12/8/84 Harris county - Posted Bond
1/17/86 Harris County - Sentenced
6/15/89 Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
8/20/91 Brownsville TX - Charges filed for trans. aliens
9/11/91 Harris County - Placed in Jail - Prob. Viol
Transferred to TDJC to serve prison sentence (3yrs approx)
5/29/96 Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
6/7/96 Smith County - Arrested in Tyler, TX on Warrant
4/3/97 Omaha? - Arrested per Titus Co. Assault Case notes
4/4/97 Titus County - posted bond
5/7/97 Titus County - Theft by Check Charges
6/7/96 Morris County - Arrested per Titus Co. assault case notes but released
7/7/97 Titus county - Arrested
8/13/97 Titus County - Entered Not Guilty Plea
8/20/97 Morris County - Transferred here per Titus County notes
8/4/99 Hopkins County - Parole Violation

http://www.tituscountyonline.net/countyclerk/index.faces
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/search.aspx

Patty G
12-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Check out this old thread too. Oh my gosh - what if?

Serial Killer in Houston? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41275)


This sketch was released after one of the murders in the area.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston?

LandAuxvasse
12-30-2010, 05:47 PM
That thread has a sketch that is interesting and says the perp has tatoos. Do we know if Mona has tatoos?

elepher50
12-30-2010, 05:48 PM
Just going with the flow here - haven't caught up after taking 3 hours away. This from the old thread titled Serial Killer in Houston?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston?

Here is a side by side - it was quite striking to me except for the lips:

LandAuxvasse
12-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Just going with the flow here - haven't caught up after taking 3 hours away. This from the old thread title Serial Killer in Houston?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1116110&postcount=18)

Here is a side by side - it was quite striking to me:

Nose and lips would be the only things different in my opinion.

MOO :twocents:

peeples
12-30-2010, 05:51 PM
Just going with the flow here - haven't caught up after taking 3 hours away. This from the old thread titled Serial Killer in Houston?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1116110&postcount=18)

Here is a side by side - it was quite striking to me except for the lips:

WOW it's possible because eyewitness sketches are not always exact and i see some differences and some similarities! And we know (no offense meant at all I'm not beauty queen) she could easily pass for male if she chose too!

jispassnthru
12-30-2010, 05:53 PM
FYI...they have had a suspect in custody in one of the acres home killings for some time already.....dont have a link handy at this time other than i'm a houston resident who is a news junkie

Lera213
12-30-2010, 05:54 PM
I have nothing concrete but I would like to look at this person first:

http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php/topic,263.msg341.html#msg341



MAP OF LOCATION OF BODY FOUND TO MN HOUSE:

Schilder Dr to 4605 East Fwy, Houston, TX 77020 - Google Maps

elepher50
12-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Here is an older article describing some of the places in Houston - but if there is a suspect already in custody maybe we should stick to the ones which are true cold cases - we would have to build a file.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/4059463.html

Lera213
12-30-2010, 06:02 PM
This case I posted the map of, has my gut because in the presser the police stated that she worked for real estate. That tells me she would know some areas, if she did maintenance lets say on a house for sale for a real estate company, she would know of an abandon house.

elepher50
12-30-2010, 06:06 PM
FYI...they have had a suspect in custody in one of the acres home killings for some time already.....dont have a link handy at this time other than i'm a houston resident who is a news junkie

Do you remember which victim it was so we can start eliminating possible victims? Google may become one of our best friends in short order.

Lera213
12-30-2010, 06:09 PM
What I really want to know is her past known address, where she has lived. My thinking is if she killed it would be someone near where she lived. I don't have the tools to look that up. Did a quick info white pages look up but came up empty

tehcloser
12-30-2010, 06:11 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7281021.html

Link to guy charged in one woman's death. Does not look like sketch at all.

Ok, apparently Houston thinks it may have more than one serial killer. OY!

This one and the one the thread is about.........

Lera213
12-30-2010, 06:15 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1041530&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_USscratch this one, father is on trial for his murder

elepher50
12-30-2010, 06:16 PM
Oh my goodness there appears to be a few cold cases as described in this recent article:

In a city with 5,695 unsolved homicides on the books dating to 1960, Houston police have assembled a team of five experienced detectives to form a cold case squad to deal with the daunting backlog. Working in a wing of the homicide division on the sixth floor of police headquarters downtown, the squad pores over hundreds of case files in hopes of finding unnoticed leads or untested evidence that can breathe new life into an old homicide investigation.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7305540.html

Lera213
12-30-2010, 06:36 PM
This is my thinking and it is only speculation but she was born in 1966 correct? <modsnip>. Now lets just say she was raped as a young girl like 12 years old. Could she have killed as a young teen of around 12 to 18 years old as her first kill? Killers usually kill their first victim very close to where they live.

I know a lot of presumptions here but I think if we can start by learning where she grew up, and then searching any missing or unsolved cases in that area is a good place to start.

westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 06:47 PM
Hope its alright to say this. With MNs appearance if there are other victims or witnesses its quite possible she could be mistaken as a man. May be something to keep in mind. JMO

westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 06:57 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston?

Dewayne Homer | Coffee Street (March 16 or 17, 2004)

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He was killed on march 16 or 17 and left in a ditch on coffee street behind an elementary school. He was shot in the head and part of the body was set on fire this was in 2004.



Brought this over hope I did it right!

fhc
12-30-2010, 07:26 PM
Bringing my beginning of a timeline over here for making connections to areas:

Thank you Lil.

It would be great if one of our talented WSers would make a map by date of crime and county. We could really hone in on a timeline for other cases :)

Filly
12-30-2010, 07:49 PM
What I really want to know is her past known address, where she has lived. My thinking is if she killed it would be someone near where she lived. I don't have the tools to look that up. Did a quick info white pages look up but came up empty

Lera, last night I actually found about five or six addy's on her. Ach, why do I not save these things? It was on one of those sites like Peekyou or something.

I don't have time right now, but in case anyone wants to look. It wasn't white pages or peoplefinders. It was one I usually don't use that gives you addy's and social networks.

O.K. shirking my duties and jumped back on. This will drive me bats. I was not purposely looking for her addy. I waded through the news stories and came on one of those sites.

Perhaps someone will know. You type in the name. All people with that name come up on the left. You find it and it was her full name with the Yvette. Not the other surname though with the "P". I clicked it and up popped the addy's. There were several for Houston and I think two for Cookeville, Texas. It also listed her Myspace.

Zabasearch only shows the one Houston addy we had I think, but there are phone numbers. Regular white pages shows only one Mona with a "Y" and that's in Mt. Pl*as*nt. I don't think that is absolutely her though so didn't want to say.

Sorry if this was lengthy. Just wanted to save people time. It is out there though and it's definately not Peekyou. One just like that though.

Technology and Filly. Not good together.

Salem
12-30-2010, 08:43 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Serial Killer in Houston? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5948634&postcount=28)

Dewayne Homer | Coffee Street (March 16 or 17, 2004)

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He was killed on march 16 or 17 and left in a ditch on coffee street behind an elementary school. He was shot in the head and part of the body was set on fire this was in 2004.



Brought this over hope I did it right!

I'm looking at Houston PD Missing here: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/missing.htm

and I don't see Dewayne listed.

Salem

carbuff
12-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Radaris only turns up those two addresses. It turns up almost 100 MN's, though, so we'll need to be *very* careful we're looking at the right person.

Cookville is less than 10 miles from Mt. P, but I'm still not sure about that woman with the similar name. There are lots of N's in that area and many of them share the name.

claudicici
12-30-2010, 09:34 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103767&highlight=ali+lowitzer

this is a case close to my heart.Ali has been missing from my neighborhood since April.
She was classified a runaway.Everyone who knows Ali knows that is not so.Ali disappeared on a short walk from her school bus stop to work.There are no clues to her disappearance

Kimster
12-30-2010, 09:38 PM
Here's a helpful link on the Houston Chronicle site. On the right you can click on dates and find cases too.

http://blogs.chron.com/homicide/

TechWriter797
12-30-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm looking at Houston PD Missing here: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/missing.htm

and I don't see Dewayne listed.

Salem

He's not missing anymore, though. Would he still be listed there?

There was a little information here:
http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php/topic,323.msg522.html#msg522

sarx
12-30-2010, 10:04 PM
This is going to be very interesting.....

tehcloser
12-30-2010, 10:15 PM
My eyes are crossed.....Houston is homicide heaven. If you live there MOVE. lol.

tehcloser
12-30-2010, 10:18 PM
Ok, maybe we need to look at arson w/deaths too. She like's fire?

tehcloser
12-30-2010, 10:27 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7018383.html

HOUSTON CHRONICLE
May 23, 2010, 9:35PM

Montgomery County sheriff's officials have arrested a 26-year-old man in connection with the discovery of a charred body in a trash can.

Just interesting, since she did the same thing.

Allusonz
12-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Ok, maybe we need to look at arson w/deaths too. She like's fire?

and maybe dates around boxing schedules not necessarily in one area

nursebeeme
12-30-2010, 10:58 PM
Check out this old thread too. Oh my gosh - what if?

Serial Killer in Houston? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41275) Kimster... further imagine that this timeframe corresponds to the timeline AFTER the west mesa victims were murdered and dumped.. when LE figured the killer had moved on somewhere else..

just saying!

and they fit the same profile!

tehcloser
12-30-2010, 11:00 PM
Boxing dates are:

11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.

(*Interestingly enough she had a battery charge in St. Charles La. the same year.)

4/23/2004 @ Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas

2/18/2003 @AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Ok.

6/21/1997 @ Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York

nursebeeme
12-30-2010, 11:15 PM
west mesa murders

http://www.koat.com/r/25890186/detail.html

11 bodies found here

nursebeeme
12-30-2010, 11:18 PM
police site for west mesa victims:

http://www.cabq.gov/police/ccw/victims/118_street/index_118th.htm

carbuff
12-30-2010, 11:21 PM
Boxing dates are:

11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.

(*Interestingly enough she had a battery charge in St. Charles La. the same year.)

4/23/2004 @ Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas

2/18/2003 @AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Ok.

6/21/1997 @ Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York

Lori Ceci-Bova went missing in Syracuse in June 1997. But pretty early in the month, I think.

sarx
12-30-2010, 11:32 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7018383.html

HOUSTON CHRONICLE
May 23, 2010, 9:35PM

Montgomery County sheriff's officials have arrested a 26-year-old man in connection with the discovery of a charred body in a trash can.

Just interesting, since she did the same thing.

Sadly, if you do a google search on "burned body" you will find a whole lot of them in the news from just the last few months to year. There was one just a few days ago in AZ too (though it was an adult).

SuziQ
12-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Here is a link I posted in the other thread by accident.

Lane Bryant Homicide investigation and suspect sketch
http://www.tinleyparkpolice.org/LB_homicide.htm

sarx
12-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Boxing dates are:

11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.

(*Interestingly enough she had a battery charge in St. Charles La. the same year.)

4/23/2004 @ Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas

2/18/2003 @AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Ok.

6/21/1997 @ Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York

I'm thinking that if she was an olympic competitor and ranked 5th in the federation she probably partook in a whole lot more matches in her run between 1997 and 2006. So there are probably a whole lot more dates, KWIM?

westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 11:41 PM
I'm looking at Houston PD Missing here: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/missing.htm

and I don't see Dewayne listed.

Salem

I have been looking all over cyber space for him and everything Ive found leads me right back to WS and a houston missing person site that has no more info than this. Im at a loss. I cant even find a LE report or any news reports. I came back in here hoping someone was having better luck than me.

TechWriter797
12-30-2010, 11:45 PM
I have been looking all over cyber space for him and everything Ive found leads me right back to WS and a houston missing person site that has no more info than this. Im at a loss. I cant even find a LE report or any news reports. I came back in here hoping someone was having better luck than me.

He's not missing, so why would he be listed on a missing site?

There's a little info on dates here: http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php/topic,323.msg522.html#msg522

Allusonz
12-30-2010, 11:47 PM
I'm thinking that if she was an olympic competitor and ranked 5th in the federation she probably partook in a whole lot more matches in her run between 1997 and 2006. So there are probably a whole lot more dates, KWIM?

wow might be easier to go case by case rather than dates

Wondergirl
12-30-2010, 11:47 PM
Is there a general consensus on what to be looking for here?

LE released they are looking at other missing children cases.

Is it possible to put a bit of a profile together to narrow the cases somewhat?

sarx
12-30-2010, 11:49 PM
Here is a link I posted in the other thread by accident.

Lane Bryant Homicide investigation and suspect sketch
http://www.tinleyparkpolice.org/LB_homicide.htm

Has this been called in? I think it merits a call.

carbuff
12-30-2010, 11:51 PM
Here is a link I posted in the other thread by accident.

Lane Bryant Homicide investigation and suspect sketch
http://www.tinleyparkpolice.org/LB_homicide.htm

Wow, that does look like her.

sarx
12-30-2010, 11:55 PM
wow might be easier to go case by case rather than dates

I dunno. She competed probably in dozens of matches and there are thousands of cold cases/unsolved homicides. Right now the only thing we may be able to track down is dates to go off of. I don't think we have enough info to create a usable profile by any stretch, so for now I would say dates would be a good place to start.

Trying to find pix of her as well would be good, older ones, possible from her boxing days, or old arrest records.

westsidefox64
12-30-2010, 11:59 PM
He's not missing, so why would he be listed on a missing site?

There's a little info on dates here: http://www.houstonunsolved.com/index.php/topic,323.msg522.html#msg522

Thats the other site I found too, just a bad choice of wording on my part.

Anyone have any ideas where I could look? TIA

Bee Happy
12-31-2010, 12:10 AM
Slide show of Mona's different looks. Some of them are very manly!

http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html

Solstice Canyon
12-31-2010, 12:13 AM
Do we know if MN has tattoos of any kind? Not sure which link I clicked earlier, above, but underneath a sketch it mentioned a possible Libra or scales of justice tattoo on the left forearm.

Kimster
12-31-2010, 12:18 AM
I've looked around for tattoo info for the same reason without any luck yet.

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 12:22 AM
Thanks for posting that link Bee Happy. Picture 7 shows short dreads possibly and a braid from 2007.

http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html

Kimster
12-31-2010, 12:23 AM
Here's a case of a victim burned in a car near an apartment complex. Her feet were bound. A report came out today that Jonathan's hands were bound. I haven't found where this case was solved?

http://www.texas-fire.com/2010/06/03/burned-body-found-inside-charred-vehicle/

salvarenga
12-31-2010, 12:27 AM
For those of you that were looking at the one sketch of the Lane Bryant suspect. Check out this mugshot. She has that same one braid minus the beads.

http://i54.tinypic.com/11bjckh.jpg

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 12:29 AM
Has this been called in? I think it merits a call.

Another poster called it in.

Hmmmmm, appears MN changed her hairstyle in recent years. Something Tinley Park LE said the perp might do.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 12:29 AM
MN went to high school in El Paso Texas, she never graduated, her maiden last name starts with a J and very common.

Here is a list of unsolved murders in El Paso (cold cases) I found two that stuck out with a little similarities.

http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/police/cold_case_files.asp

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 12:29 AM
Look at this photo and open this link,: http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html look at pic # 7 and compare them. I do not know how to do a screen shot or I would put them together.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRF2ZsXyClys372bxFY12suykWe7bCQq 1KWDOyRpJGzbrAJOrQQ

Kimster
12-31-2010, 12:31 AM
MN went to high school in El Paso Texas, she never graduated, her maiden last name starts with a J and very common.

Here is a list of unsolved murders in El Paso (cold cases) I found two that stuck out with a little similarities.

http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/police/cold_case_files.asp

You can state her maiden name. She's open to be sleuthed.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 12:33 AM
DATE CASE # VICTIM AGE
02/07/95 95-038147 CELIA LOYA 30
SUMMARY: The deceased was discovered dead in her residence in the 2800 block of Lake Champlain by her husband. The deceased had called her place of employment at approximately 0840 hours and advised that she would be running late, but did not give a reason why. The deceased’s husband tried contacting the deceased several times by phone and when she did not answer, he left his place of employment to check on her and discovered her dead in the bathroom. The deceased had been brutally beaten about the face and body. It appears that the deceased was confronted by her murderer as she was exiting her residence as she was found with her purse and car keys. Point of entry and point of exit was through the garage door as it had been found open by the deceased’s husband. The residence showed signs of a struggle, but no property appeared to be missing.

http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/police/cold_case_files.asp

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 12:33 AM
Sarx.......I'm sure there are more boxing dates. But that's all I have. And I know there are burning cases everywhere, I just though the date and location was interesting because SHE might have seen the news and it gave her ideas.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 12:33 AM
Mona Johnson is her maiden last name

Ok I have to clarify, her sister who looks to be much older last name is Johnson so I could be off on that last name however she had other people on her FB page with the last name Johnson also.

The highschool is Bel Air High School information gained from video on ABC LINK (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7872780) Doing a quick google search for bel air high school came up in El Paso the only one in texas

Kimster
12-31-2010, 12:35 AM
Oh Lera. You're gonna :slap: me. I forgot to mention we do need a link to verify the maiden name and where she went to school.

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 12:36 AM
For those of you that were looking at the one sketch of the Lane Bryant suspect. Check out this mugshot. She has that same one braid minus the beads.

http://i54.tinypic.com/11bjckh.jpg

That is the pic I was talking about too compared to this one:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRF2ZsXyClys372bxFY12suykWe7bCQq 1KWDOyRpJGzbrAJOrQQ http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRM8k6yGmKmkPUOedCvw-RIrTZg-6HBcJFFlZmndcxDgg0NKuwr

The Lane Bryant suspect ....

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 12:37 AM
Mona Johnson is her maiden last name

That's her sister's last name, but are we sure that's not her sister's married name?

sarx
12-31-2010, 12:37 AM
Sarx.......I'm sure there are more boxing dates. But that's all I have. And I know there are burning cases everywhere, I just though the date and location was interesting because SHE might have seen the news and it gave her ideas.

It is absolutely! I'm finding it interesting that it's not that easy to come by info on her boxing career when she was clearly ranked. I would also think there would be photos galore, but again, not easily found or maybe I'm just challenged tonight, lol.

Kimster
12-31-2010, 12:37 AM
Mysticrose, I'm lost. What is the drawing about? Sorry, I'm getting tired and lost ya.

sarx
12-31-2010, 12:38 AM
I believe she had another last name listed on her criminal record as well (not Johnson) and now I can't remember it.

peeples
12-31-2010, 12:38 AM
Pretty close.. WOW, ears are off though maybe????

sherbetjello
12-31-2010, 12:38 AM
That is the pic I was talking about too compared to this one:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRF2ZsXyClys372bxFY12suykWe7bCQq 1KWDOyRpJGzbrAJOrQQ

This is accurate, imo - or close enough to let a tip line know of.

peeples
12-31-2010, 12:39 AM
The lane bryant killer sketch

summert1129
12-31-2010, 12:40 AM
The lane bryant killer sketch

very strong resemblance

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 12:41 AM
Mysticrose, I'm lost. What is the drawing about? Sorry, I'm getting tired and lost ya.

The lane bryant killer sketch, perhaps I should have posted this in the other thread for Mona Nelson.....

gumshoemamma
12-31-2010, 12:42 AM
Slide show of Mona's different looks. Some of them are very manly!

http://www.click2houston.com/slidesh...86/detail.html (http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html)



One of the looks she has in here is close to the perp's discription in the Lane Bryant murders as well! They had said something in the article about a braid hanging down "his" cheek. She may not be connected to that case at all but there sure are some parallels in the descriptions.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 12:43 AM
Oh Lera. You're gonna :slap: me. I forgot to mention we do need a link to verify the maiden name and where she went to school.

Thanks I edit my post, sorry people...I kind of get really high strung and move fast and become forgetful.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 12:45 AM
MN fb friends list http://www.facebook.com/Monanelson5?sk=friends

Hamsterdance
12-31-2010, 12:46 AM
Here is a link I posted in the other thread by accident.

Lane Bryant Homicide investigation and suspect sketch
http://www.tinleyparkpolice.org/LB_homicide.htm


When you compare image 7 from this slideshow link:
http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html
to
http://www.tinleyparkpolice.org/LB_homicide.htm

They are even more similar than the previous photo comparisons.

Chili Fries
12-31-2010, 12:47 AM
Concerning the Lane Bryant case, do we know if she's ever been in Illinois?

fran
12-31-2010, 12:49 AM
Concerning the Lane Bryant case, do we know if she's ever been in Illinois?

Yes, in 2003. We just have to see if she was there in 2008. But she also had a run in with LE in 2008 in Texas. So the dates will matter.

JMHO
fran

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 12:53 AM
Yes, in 2003. We just have to see if she was there in 2008. But she also had a run in with LE in 2008 in Texas. So the dates will matter.

JMHO
fran

How do we know she was there in 2003?

Blue Eyed Chick
12-31-2010, 12:53 AM
I sent the Lane Bryant link along with the beaded photo to an acquaintance of mine at HPD Homicide.

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 12:57 AM
I wonder if the number 7 mugshot got flipped. If you flipped it around it would match the Lane Bryant sketch down to the little freckle mole over one of the eyebrows. And the braid would also be on the correct side if the mugshot was flipped.

belimom
12-31-2010, 12:59 AM
Whoa!!!! How did I get in here? Freaky - I was on the other JF thread, refreshed the page - and here I landed...

While I'm here, I wanted to add that I do not think that Mona is the Lane Bryant killer. To me, she looks like a woman. If I passed her on the street, I would not mistake her for a man. JMHO.

Now back through the Twilight Zone to the other JF thread...(insert Twilight Zone music here)

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 01:01 AM
Whoa!!!! How did I get in here? Freaky - I was on the other JF thread, refreshed the page - and here I landed...

While I'm here, I wanted to add that I do not think that Mona is the Lane Bryant killer. To me, she looks like a woman. If I passed her on the street, I would not mistake her for a man. JMHO.

Now back through the Twilight Zone to the other JF thread...(insert Twilight Zone music here)

We are working on a new osmosis by thought thing, glad to see it worked. :crazy:

Chili Fries
12-31-2010, 01:01 AM
I read they had someone in custody that matches this sketch.

Perhaps you are thinking of Gary Amaya. He was killed by police earlier in December during a robbery in Chicago. He is a suspect in some other unsolved shootings in the area and LE doing their due diligence have checked him out regarding the Lane Bryant case. The problem is that he is very obviously a white man.

http://www.thereporteronline.net/atf.php?sid=23064&current_edition=2010-12-16

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:03 AM
Perhaps you are thinking of Gary Amaya. He was killed by police earlier in December during a robbery in Chicago. He is a suspect in some other unsolved shootings in the area and LE doing their due diligence have checked him out regarding the Lane Bryant case. The problem is that he is very obviously a white man.

http://www.thereporteronline.net/atf.php?sid=23064&current_edition=2010-12-16
That was probably it, as I couldn't find the link I deleted my post that you quoted...LOL I'm going to give myself an hour time out because Im feeling too anxious

Kimster
12-31-2010, 01:04 AM
Whoa!!!! How did I get in here? Freaky - I was on the other JF thread, refreshed the page - and here I landed...

While I'm here, I wanted to add that I do not think that Mona is the Lane Bryant killer. To me, she looks like a woman. If I passed her on the street, I would not mistake her for a man. JMHO.

Now back through the Twilight Zone to the other JF thread...(insert Twilight Zone music here)

You were abducted. Duh. :kimsterwink:

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:05 AM
One thing did stick out from one witness in the lane Bryant murder and she said the perp had on jeans with rinestones on the back pocket...would a male wear that? LOL

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 01:05 AM
That was probably it, as I couldn't find the link I deleted my post that you quoted...LOL I'm going to give myself an hour time out because Im feeling too anxious

It's alright Lera, we have been hit with alot of info today. I think most of us are on overload.

Reannan
12-31-2010, 01:07 AM
I am stuck on the Lane Bryant Murders in Illinois from 2008 and the uncanny resemblance to MN!!! If nothing else, a picture of her in Illinois may trigger a memory of someone there???

2anthro
12-31-2010, 01:07 AM
Do you think the stun gun in her truck could have contributed to the LEO considering that she may have murdered before?

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:08 AM
According to the unidentified witness, the gunman was a stock black man, about 5 foot 9 inches tall who had braids under a stocking cap. One of the braids had green beads. He had jeans on that had rhinestones on the back pockets. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/586117/tinley_park_lane_bryant_murders.html?cat=7

Ok done lol

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 01:12 AM
One thing did stick out from one witness in the lane Bryant murder and she said the perp had on jeans with rinestones on the back pocket...would a male wear that? LOL

It's been a loooong day for me too. I'm having deja vue of having the same conversation about the rinestones with other sleuthers. I should probably bump up that thread.

sarx
12-31-2010, 01:13 AM
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/586117/tinley_park_lane_bryant_murders.html?cat=7

Ok done lol


Well, ain't that interesting. Course I can also say I know a few men who would and do wear rhinestones on their jeans, so.....

jispassnthru
12-31-2010, 01:15 AM
Do you remember which victim it was so we can start eliminating possible victims? Google may become one of our best friends in short order.


link to houston chronicle article...he was charged with 1 of the acres homes murders but linked to several of them.....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6633420.html

Curious Me
12-31-2010, 01:16 AM
WOW! She has those side dreadlocks just like described in the Chicago case! And...she is definitely very masculine looking!


I don't normally see such a close match. This is worth looking into.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/patfish/truecrime/lanebryantkillertc22808.jpg

bessie
12-31-2010, 01:17 AM
Well, ain't that interesting. Course I can also say I know a few men who would and do wear rhinestones on their jeans, so.....
Not to mention beaded braids.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:19 AM
911 call of LB murder, can anyone clean it up and only have the perps voice in the background because eventually we might hear MN voice and then will get a better indication. http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/docum...ark_AMW911.mp4

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 01:19 AM
Whoa!!!! How did I get in here? Freaky - I was on the other JF thread, refreshed the page - and here I landed...

While I'm here, I wanted to add that I do not think that Mona is the Lane Bryant killer. To me, she looks like a woman. If I passed her on the street, I would not mistake her for a man. JMHO.

Now back through the Twilight Zone to the other JF thread...(insert Twilight Zone music here)

And MN may not be connected, absolutely. I go back and forth on gender recognition with MN. I also have the same problem with a checker at Walmart. And listening to the 911 call from Lane Bryant didn't help much either. It's a mid range voice and I can't place it as a man or a woman. I'm looking forward to hearing MN speak. That would rule her out for me.

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 01:20 AM
Lera, how did you know I was just going to go looking for that link?

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:23 AM
Suziq,

I have 40 links open and I saw that while looking at another link...then went back to it...so you can see why I'm just a little anxious. LOL

Reannan
12-31-2010, 01:26 AM
Lera, how did you know I was just going to go looking for that link?

Lera has invaded our head!!! :seeya:

bessie
12-31-2010, 01:29 AM
I am stuck on the Lane Bryant Murders in Illinois from 2008 and the uncanny resemblance to MN!!! If nothing else, a picture of her in Illinois may trigger a memory of someone there???
I don't see much resemblance. In the LB sketch, the perp's lips are very large, almost exaggerated, as though they really stood out to the witness who described him to the artist. MN's lips are not that large. Nor does she have cornrows in any of the photos we've seen, and the braid is on the opposite side.

Reannan
12-31-2010, 01:33 AM
I sent the Lane Bryant link along with the beaded photo to an acquaintance of mine at HPD Homicide.
I sent it to Illinois to the site for the Lane Bryant murders.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:34 AM
I sent it to Illinois to the site for the Lane Bryant murders.

I hope you get a response and more than that, that I find and read it. LOL

Lera213
12-31-2010, 01:35 AM
Lera has invaded our head!!! :seeya:

Not sure you want me in your head....I'm so high strung at times, there is no pong in my pings. :crazy:

bessie
12-31-2010, 01:36 AM
911 call of LB murder, can anyone clean it up and only have the perps voice in the background because eventually we might hear MN voice and then will get a better indication. http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/docum...ark_AMW911.mp4
I was just listening to it thinking exactly the same thing. lol Unfortunately, AV isn't my thing.

Beatrice
12-31-2010, 01:36 AM
Yes, in 2003. We just have to see if she was there in 2008. But she also had a run in with LE in 2008 in Texas. So the dates will matter.

JMHO
fran

Where can I read about this 2003/Chicago connection? TIA!

Reannan
12-31-2010, 01:39 AM
I don't see much resemblance. In the LB sketch, the perp's lips are very large, almost exaggerated, as though they really stood out to the witness who described him to the artist. MN's lips are not that large. Nor does she have cornrows in any of the photos we've seen, and the braid is on the opposite side.

I noticed the same differences. I chalked the lip difference up to artist and/or witness interpretation and the side of the braid up to fate. They still look VERY SIMILAR to me. Worth reinvigorating the Lane Bryant case at least. It may trigger someone to "recognize" someone else anyways. I was honestly thinking (and looking) for the Lane Bryant guy in Georgia last week when I was shopping.... I know... my family thinks I am crazy too!!! I just get these cases stuck in my head and they won't get out until they are solved! (SuziQ seems to be stuck there too!!! Between her, Nurse, and the other great WS'ers, I figure I am at least in good company).

sarx
12-31-2010, 01:48 AM
Preston is her maiden name, not Johnson.

debirlfan
12-31-2010, 01:59 AM
I don't see much resemblance. In the LB sketch, the perp's lips are very large, almost exaggerated, as though they really stood out to the witness who described him to the artist. MN's lips are not that large. Nor does she have cornrows in any of the photos we've seen, and the braid is on the opposite side.

I don't see the resemblance. either - but that said, there are a lot of cases where ultimately the perp and the sketch don't look much alike (at least not to me.) The beaded hair and rhinestones on the jeans do raise a bit of a flag, though. I wonder if police have ever looked at the case and considered the possibility of a female perp? It does lead to possible motives they might not have thought about. For example, someone who went in to make a purchase and was "dissed" (especially if she was mistaken for a man), or some sort of jealousy motive...

jjenny
12-31-2010, 02:04 AM
I don't see much resemblance. In the LB sketch, the perp's lips are very large, almost exaggerated, as though they really stood out to the witness who described him to the artist. MN's lips are not that large. Nor does she have cornrows in any of the photos we've seen, and the braid is on the opposite side.
I do think she resembles the sketch, but I am sure there are many people who could be resembling the sketch.
The police have the suspect voice on 911 call. It sounds like male's voice to me, not female's.

bessie
12-31-2010, 02:04 AM
I noticed the same differences. I chalked the lip difference up to artist and/or witness interpretation and the side of the braid up to fate. They still look VERY SIMILAR to me. Worth reinvigorating the Lane Bryant case at least. It may trigger someone to "recognize" someone else anyways. I was honestly thinking (and looking) for the Lane Bryant guy in Georgia last week when I was shopping.... I know... my family thinks I am crazy too!!! I just get these cases stuck in my head and they won't get out until they are solved! (SuziQ seems to be stuck there too!!! Between her, Nurse, and the other great WS'ers, I figure I am at least in good company).
If you're going to be stuck on a case, the LB killings is a good one. So scary because it was so random and so public. I honestly tried to forget it, but after tonight, I'll be looking for that face, too. So, you're absolutely right, Reannan. If nothing else, renewed interest in the case is a good thing.

summert1129
12-31-2010, 02:29 AM
I always thought it was a little strange (but definitely not unbelievable) that a man committed the LB killings. To me, it just seems more likely that it would be a woman. The similarities of the pictures make me think this even more now. Just my opinion.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 06:45 AM
I'm pretty sure she went to Bellaire High School. Bellaire is a city inside Houston (I know, weird). Houston has expanded over the years and built around smaller cities.

http://www.bellaire.org/

http://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=LtgX-e3f8ctI3U5dJtbt7EJ1ZfRneYme,JQ59ruemWCTHqdIUofgJSl SVyOsPsrJHbLa7LA-Il_OeukyGvRsxmL8x3QZoMGjaglsOMqJHoXrp1O2K57sBxMReM MsiKMhREVYHNK06HGbejyOT1w

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 10:31 AM
So here is a map I did, according to this article of where Mona has and had been at least until 2005. Detroit MI is there because it is mentioned in the article that she would speak about boxing in Detroit.
I do not know how to embed this map on the board (sorry) but here is the link to the map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Detroit,+MI&daddr=Cookville,+TX+to:Daingerfield,+TX+to:McKinne y,+TX+to:Mount+Vernon,+TX+to:Houston,+TX+to:Kenedy +County,+TX&hl=en&geocode=FSPthQIdhtIM-yl1HcsQAcokiDHSxLk1ToZ2Vw%3BFYxf-gEdF6NY-inzcKROd-41hjHFUFv-ua4jKQ%3BFXEG-AEdr6ha-ik3Zbp11t81hjGSUJEiwKYuvg%3BFb6M-gEd2mQ9-imVVHSgWhJMhjEkpiBk2gopqg%3BFXdr-gEdrAlT-ikBJtn20w9KhjG-nZRghnUFsw%3BFUQlxgEd6pFQ-ikBhY1ItLhAhjE7BWXz3gINyg%3BFdP_mQEdTT4t-ilvtYb_B7JohjHOStoDumidBg&gl=us&mra=ls&sll=36.031332,-89.824219&sspn=17.169853,46.362305&ie=UTF8&ll=34.597042,-90.439453&spn=17.472379,46.362305&t=h&z=5

And the article I pulled info from, Alot of history in this article for Mona:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 10:37 AM
SNIP...............................

High school dropout

In one document from a 1985 pre-sentencing investigation, Nelson shared her life story with authorities in hopes of a more lenient punishment.

She says she attended five Houston-area schools, earning B and C grade averages. She dropped out of Bellaire High School in 11th grade and completed her GED at Houston Community College.

She left home at age 15 and met her future husband, Michael Nelson, shortly before her 16th birthday. The couple married on May 7, 1983, when the bride was 17 and the groom 28.

Two months later, Nelson reportedly gave birth to twins - a boy and a girl - three months prematurely.

Nelson said she'd been living in Cookville in East Texas since January 1985, in a house owned by her father-in-law, Clyde Nelson, a sex offender who was sentenced to 30 years in prison for sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl in August 1985

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

fran
12-31-2010, 11:02 AM
Where can I read about this 2003/Chicago connection? TIA!

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #7

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 11:05 AM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased TX - Jonathan Foster, 12, Houston, 24 Dec 2010 - Mona Nelson charged with Murder - #7 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5949113&postcount=364)

Respectfully the charges in Mount Vernon, were Texas not Va. so I also have to question the Chicago info.

Also, this: 1989: Nelson spent time in prison for trafficking Mexican nationals for $600 per person.

Was in 1991. So I have to question all of the info in that post I reckon.........lol. To many dates wrong and all..............

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 11:11 AM
Respectfully the charges in Mount Vernon, were Texas not Va. so I also have to question the Chicago info.

Also, this: 1989: Nelson spent time in prison for trafficking Mexican nationals for $600 per person.

Was in 1991. So I have to question all of the info in that post I reckon.........lol. To many dates wrong and all..............

I thought I was crazy for a second after reading this:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html

Looks like I can add •2006: Nelson was arrested on a simple battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
•2008: She was arrested on a charge of assault on a family member in Mount Pleasant, Texas

to my map unless they are wrong too :waitasec:

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 11:14 AM
I thought I was crazy for a second after reading this:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html

Looks like I can add •2006: Nelson was arrested on a simple battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
•2008: She was arrested on a charge of assault on a family member in Mount Pleasant, Texas

to my map unless they are wrong too :waitasec:

That's what I have...and I have been working on a spread sheet from all the MSN articles and doing County searches. So I'm gonna say MAP IT! lol. The 2008 assault was on her adult daughter.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 11:25 AM
Mona Y. Nelson (Preston): DOB 03/05/66

1980-1981: Works summer jobs at Martin Luther King Center.
Left home at 15 and met future husband
May 7, 1983: Marries at 17.
July 1983: Gives birth to twins at 17.
Dropped out of school in the 11th grade (17?)
1984: Pleads guilty of fleeing scene armed robbery.
January 1985: Moves with husband to Cookville, Texas.
September 1985: (Probation officer visits the home in Cookville and finds children well).
1986: Nelson was convicted of aggravated robbery in Harris County and sentenced to 10 years on prison (pled guilty and was on 10 years' probation).
1986: Children put in foster care? (this needs to be verified).
1991: Nelson was arrested by the Border Patrol at a checkpoint in Kenedy County for attempting to smuggle five illegal aliens from Mexico.
1991: Probation revoked and sent to prison (?? how long ??)
1997: Nelson was convicted of theft by check in Daingerfield. That same year, she was also found guilty of theft in Mount Vernon, and served 30 days in jail.
June 1997: Boxing match in NY
1998: Nelson was arrested for operating a stolen vehicle.
2001: Nelson pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and served 29 days of a 30-day sentence
July 2003: Tazwell County, Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation.
2002: Nelson was convicted of possession of marijuana in Collin County.
February 2003: Boxing match in Oklahoma
2004: Nelson was convicted of making a terroristic threat in Mount Vernon, TX.
April 2004: Boxing match in Kansas.
2005: Nelson was convicted of criminal mischief in Mount Vernon, TX.
November 2006: Boxing match in Louisiana.
2006: Nelson was arrested on a battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
2008: Nelson was arrested on a charge of assault on adult daughter in Mount Pleasant.
2010: Murders Jonathan.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-12-yr-old-houston-boy-s-killer-a-soulless-murderer-showed-no-remorse

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=561178

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html

Reannan
12-31-2010, 11:53 AM
Here is a comparison of MN vs the sketch of the "man" that murdered the people in February 2008 in Illinois in the Lane Bryant store. I also found evidence that MN was in Tazwell County Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation from July 12, 2003. From what I can determine, Code 3-112 is some sort of "Failure to transfer license" violation when a vehicle is sold. This Mona Y. Nelson on the other thumbnail I am attaching has the same birthday (3/5/66) and had a Texas drivers license at the time of the charge in Illinois, and interestingly enough, was documented on this Illinois document as being a "Male".

carbuff
12-31-2010, 11:54 AM
Just wanted to say again -- be very careful to make sure you have the right Mona Nelson. I ran across at least one reference to another woman with the same first and last name and very similar appearance (possibly a relative) who lives in the Mt. Pleasant area. She's a few years younger, so you can tell them apart by birth date.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 11:58 AM
Here is a comparison of MN vs the sketch of the "man" that murdered the people in February 2008 in Illinois in the Lane Bryant store. I also found evidence that MN was in Tazwell County Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation from July 12, 2003. From what I can determine, Code 3-112 is some sort of "Failure to transfer license" violation when a vehicle is sold. This Mona Y. Nelson on the other thumbnail I am attaching has the same birthday (3/5/66) and had a Texas drivers license at the time of the charge in Illinois, and interestingly enough, was documented on this Illinois document as being a "Male".

So she can fool people as to M/F.............

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 12:07 PM
Questions and observations:
1. She seemed to start off okay (working summer jobs at a young age), but then something happened that made her leave home. What was it?
2. She met her soon to be husband. His father was a SO, so was the husband possibly abusive toward MN and/or the kids?
3. Where did her kids and husband live? She was arrested for the armed robbery charge when the twins were about 1 year old. Who was watching the kids? Was she running the streets?
4. I bet she learned to box in prison. After she was released from prison is when the boxing career started.
5. In 2006 is when it seems her violent episodes escalated - up to the point that she assaulted her very own daughter. I wonder who she assaulted in Saint Charles? Who was that victim?
6. The Houston and Dallas areas are where she commits most of her crimes. It seems she feels more comfortable taking risks in these 2 cities.

mysticrose
12-31-2010, 12:26 PM
Ok so there is a Detroit, IL. Do we know for sure if it would be Detroit , MI or Detroit ,IL she would have been speaking about where she did some boxing ?
IL would be alot closer....

ETA: LOL I think I answered my own questioned. Detroit, IL had a population of 93 as of 2000! LMAO :) I dont think Il is right

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 12:28 PM
On this link, there is the mugshot of her with the little side ponytail. It says the mugshot is from 2007. So, there's a crime missing in the timeline. She's wearing the Harris County Orangies - so I'm assuming she was in Houston.

http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html

tk71texas
12-31-2010, 12:33 PM
My eyes are crossed.....Houston is homicide heaven. If you live there MOVE. lol.

i live here....but on the west side in katy suburb...i consider it fairly safe though i do have 2 rso's in my subdivision, they do a good job of keeping to themselves...

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 12:35 PM
On this link, there is the mugshot of her with the little side ponytail. It says the mugshot is from 2007. So, there's a crime missing in the timeline. She's wearing the Harris County Orangies - so I'm assuming she was in Houston.

http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html

At the top of the 2007 Mugshot it says Titus County. However on the 2008 mug shot there is no location.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 12:39 PM
At the top of the 2007 Mugshot it says Titus County. However on the 2008 mug shot there is no location.

It's Mount Pleasant, so I'm guessing the assault on her daughter in 2007 or was it in 2008? I'm confused.

ETA: The picture where she is wearing white? That's her picture from prison. She lost a LOT of weight (and is quite smiley).

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 12:50 PM
It's Mount Pleasant, so I'm guessing the assault on her daughter in 2007 or was it in 2008? I'm confused.

ETA: The picture where she is wearing white? That's her picture from prison. She lost a LOT of weight (and is quite smiley).

I noticed the prison pic...how odd that she looks happier in it than most of the other pics I have seen of her. Of course maybe it was release day...:waitasec:

SuziQ
12-31-2010, 12:57 PM
Here is a comparison of MN vs the sketch of the "man" that murdered the people in February 2008 in Illinois in the Lane Bryant store. I also found evidence that MN was in Tazwell County Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation from July 12, 2003. From what I can determine, Code 3-112 is some sort of "Failure to transfer license" violation when a vehicle is sold. This Mona Y. Nelson on the other thumbnail I am attaching has the same birthday (3/5/66) and had a Texas drivers license at the time of the charge in Illinois, and interestingly enough, was documented on this Illinois document as being a "Male".

Very interesting.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 01:22 PM
Merged with TexasLil's timeline up thread:

Mona Y. Nelson (Preston): DOB 03/05/66

1980-1981: Works summer jobs at Martin Luther King Center.
Left home at 15 and met future husband
May 7, 1983: Marries at 17.
July 1983: Gives birth to twins at 17.
Dropped out of school in the 11th grade (17?)
November 12, 1984: Pleads guilty of fleeing scene armed robbery.
January 1985: Moves with husband to Cookville, Texas.
September 1985: (Probation officer visits the home in Cookville and finds children well).
January 17, 1986: Harris County - Sentenced. Nelson was convicted of aggravated robbery in Harris County and sentenced to 10 years on prison (pled guilty and was on 10 years' probation).
1986: Children put in foster care? (this needs to be verified).
June 15, 1989: Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
June 11, 1991: Harris County - Placed in Jail - Prob. Viol
June 20, 1991: Nelson was arrested by the Border Patrol at a checkpoint in Kenedy County for attempting to smuggle five illegal aliens from Mexico.
September 11, 1991: Probation revoked and sent to TDJC to serve prison sentence (3yrs approx).
May 29, 1996: Titus County - Assault Charges Filed
June 7, 1996: Morris County - Arrested per Titus Co. assault case notes but released
April 4, 1997: Titus County - posted bond
May 7, 1997: Titus County - Theft by Check Charges. Nelson was convicted of theft by check in Daingerfield.
June 3, 1997: Omaha? - Arrested per Titus Co. Assault Case notes
June 21, 1997: Boxing match in NY
August 13, 1997: Titus County - Entered Not Guilty Plea
August 20, 1997: Morris County - Transferred here per Titus County notes
1998: Nelson was arrested for operating a stolen vehicle.
August 4, 1999 Hopkins County - Parole Violation
2001: Nelson pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and served 29 days of a 30-day sentence
2002: Nelson was convicted of possession of marijuana in Collin County.
February 18, 2003: Boxing match in Oklahoma
July 2003: Tazwell County, Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation.
2004: Nelson was convicted of making a terroristic threat in Mount Vernon, TX.
April 23, 2004: Boxing match in Kansas.
2005: Nelson was convicted of criminal mischief in Mount Vernon, TX.
November 18, 2006: Boxing match in Louisiana.
2006: Nelson was arrested on a battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
2008: Nelson was arrested on a charge of assault on adult daughter in Mount Pleasant.
2010: Murders Jonathan.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-12-yr-old-houston-boy-s-killer-a-soulless-murderer-showed-no-remorse

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=561178

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html

http://www.tituscountyonline.net/cou...rk/index.faces
http://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/edocs/public/search.aspx

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 01:34 PM
Another observation: On her FB page, she talks about her daughter. I did not see any references to her son. Has anyone combed through her Myspace? Did she talk about him at all?

I wonder if something in Jonathan made her think of her son - or if it could be somehow related in some way? Her son would have been 12 when she was in prison.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 01:47 PM
Another observation: On her FB page, she talks about her daughter. I did not see any references to her son. Has anyone combed through her Myspace? Did she talk about him at all?

I wonder if something in Jonathan made her think of her son - or if it could be somehow related in some way? Her son would have been 12 when she was in prison.

Now that makes my ears poke up......do we know if he is still alive?

belimom
12-31-2010, 01:53 PM
Respectfully the charges in Mount Vernon, were Texas not Va. so I also have to question the Chicago info...(snipped)...

BBM

Thank you... Mt Vernon (as in GW's home) is just down the road from us, literally a few miles. I'm really glad that MYN has (hopefully) not been near us... And now I will stop searching the Va and Ffax County criminal records, as well as the Washington Post, inserting her name in every which way, trying to find it.... :o

So thank you again for the clarification!

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 01:58 PM
Now that makes my ears poke up......do we know if he is still alive?

Not sure. The twins were 3 months premature. There is a reference in the timeline, however, that the caseworker went to Cookville, Texas to check on the children...so there's that.

carbuff
12-31-2010, 02:04 PM
Not sure. The twins were 3 months premature. There is a reference in the timeline, however, that the caseworker went to Cookville, Texas to check on the children...so there's that.

When I was looking in Radaris last night, both children showed up -- I think it said they were 27 now.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 02:06 PM
When I was looking in Radaris last night, both children showed up -- I think it said they were 27 now.

Thank You, I figured that would have made it tooooooo easy........

ETA: Hold on........if the were born in 83', wouldn't they be 27? Or has the birth year been reported wrong?

ETA2: I AM NOT SLEUTHING THE TWINS......just trying to get DOB to see if any unknown's are on that date. TIA.

ladymemac
12-31-2010, 02:07 PM
Hi, I just wanted to pop in and say that I spent a lot of time researching the Lane Bryant murders for a story on my website, True Crime Diary, and I distinctly recall that there was a lot of speculation about the gender of the suspect --- I can't recall if it was members of the investigative team per se but I know the issue of whether or not to limit the gender to "man" was raised...

Reannan
12-31-2010, 02:10 PM
When I was looking in Radaris last night, both children showed up -- I think it said they were 23 now.

PeopleSearch has the kids as 27 if you search under her name. It also has a 77 and 56 year old men listed as "relatives". Not sure who they are. Is there a comprehensive timeline of where she has lived, periods of time when she was known to be out of town at boxing matches, etc??

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 02:11 PM
PeopleSearch has the kids as 27 if you search under her name. It also has a 77 and 56 year old men listed as "relatives". Not sure who they are. Is there a comprehensive timeline of where she has lived, periods of time when she was known to be out of town at boxing matches, etc??


I've only found 4 boxing matches, there should be a heck of a lot more....

ETA:

11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.

(*Interestingly enough she had a battery charge in St. Charles La. the same year.)

4/23/2004 @ Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas

2/18/2003 @AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Ok.

6/21/1997 @ Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York

carbuff
12-31-2010, 02:13 PM
Thank You, I figured that would have made it tooooooo easy........

ETA: Hold on........if the were born in 83', wouldn't they be 27? Or has the birth year been reported wrong?

ETA2: I AM NOT SLEUTHING THE TWINS......just trying to get DOB to see if any unknown's are on that date. TIA.

Let me go check...

Yes, 27. I'll fix the first post.

carbuff
12-31-2010, 02:14 PM
PeopleSearch has the kids as 27 if you search under her name. It also has a 77 and 56 year old men listed as "relatives". Not sure who they are. Is there a comprehensive timeline of where she has lived, periods of time when she was known to be out of town at boxing matches, etc??

That article with her biography lists the 77-year-old as her father-in-law.

Yes, 27. I gotta be more careful about triple-checking my dyslexia.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 02:15 PM
Let me go check...

Yes, 27. I'll fix the first post.

I changed it to 27 in my quote too, hope that's ok with you........

passionflower
12-31-2010, 02:17 PM
How could a 'grandmother' do such a thing to a child????
She has 5.............wonder if she ever sees them?

carbuff
12-31-2010, 02:21 PM
I changed it to 27 in my quote too, hope that's ok with you........

Yes, thank you, don't want any more misinformation than necessary out there.

Is she still married to Nelson?

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 02:22 PM
Yes, thank you, don't want any more misinformation than necessary out there.

Is she still married to Nelson?

MSN has him as "Ex-Husband" fwiw, but I have not tried to track that down myself.

Krystylsea
12-31-2010, 02:36 PM
One thing did stick out from one witness in the lane Bryant murder and she said the perp had on jeans with rinestones on the back pocket...would a male wear that? LOL

I'm sure some would....

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 02:37 PM
Looks like the ex-husband, the FIL, and the kids stayed in Cookville. Someone in a thread a while back had shown where MN was being sued for parental support $$ or something to that effect? I just wonder if dad kept some kind of custody or what.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 02:41 PM
PeopleSearch has the kids as 27 if you search under her name. It also has a 77 and 56 year old men listed as "relatives". Not sure who they are. Is there a comprehensive timeline of where she has lived, periods of time when she was known to be out of town at boxing matches, etc??

Look up thread a bit.

x_files
12-31-2010, 02:45 PM
Another observation: On her FB page, she talks about her daughter. I did not see any references to her son. Has anyone combed through her Myspace? Did she talk about him at all?

I wonder if something in Jonathan made her think of her son - or if it could be somehow related in some way? Her son would have been 12 when she was in prison.

I think maybe something about men/males is a trigger. Someone mentioned possible childhood sexual abuse or trauma that caused her to hate men.
If indeed she killed JF.

marycarney
12-31-2010, 02:48 PM
As far as passing for a man, and the LB killer having a man's voice - women in boxing have been known to dabble in steroids (I know, you're shocked!). and steroids can definitely lower a woman's voice an octave.

x_files
12-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Hi, I just wanted to pop in and say that I spent a lot of time researching the Lane Bryant murders for a story on my website, True Crime Diary, and I distinctly recall that there was a lot of speculation about the gender of the suspect --- I can't recall if it was members of the investigative team per se but I know the issue of whether or not to limit the gender to "man" was raised...

This is just uncanny to be a coincidence. The suspect drawing looks like her.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 02:55 PM
I think maybe something about men/males is a trigger. Someone mentioned possible childhood sexual abuse or trauma that caused her to hate men.
If indeed she killed JF.

I agree. Something happened in her home that caused her to leave at 15. And apparently no adult stopped her either, which is strange. Then, she marries a man whose father is an registered SO.

She seemed to look forward to seeing her ?grandson? on her FB page. I don't think male babies and children triggered her, but perhaps those entering in to teen/adult years might. Who knows.

I'm just grateful she didn't have much contact with her kids when they were younger and in their teens.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 03:13 PM
Anyone found anything putting her around Clifton Park, New York in 88-89?

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 03:20 PM
Anyone found anything putting her around Clifton Park, New York in 88-89?

We can look, but it would have to be a brief visit. She was on probation for 10 years, which included those years. She would have had to see her PO every month. Most probation agreements include the fact that you cannot leave the county unless it is approved by your PO. Of course, it looks like she didn't care about that too much or her PO's didn't...

carbuff
12-31-2010, 03:26 PM
I think maybe something about men/males is a trigger. Someone mentioned possible childhood sexual abuse or trauma that caused her to hate men.
If indeed she killed JF.

The Lane Bryant victims were all women, though, if in fact that was MN. They think it was a robbery gone awry. I think we need to know more about who her other victims might have been before we can say too much about the why.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 03:30 PM
We can look, but it would have to be a brief visit. She was on probation for 10 years, which included those years. She would have had to see her PO every month. Most probation agreements include the fact that you cannot leave the county unless it is approved by your PO. Of course, it looks like she didn't care about that too much or her PO's didn't...

lol, yeah I'm thinking Mona probably didn't worry to much about her probation terms. And I'm thinking quick trips, like to boxing matches, would be a perfect opportunity to kill.

Lera213
12-31-2010, 03:33 PM
I think maybe something about men/males is a trigger. Someone mentioned possible childhood sexual abuse or trauma that caused her to hate men.
If indeed she killed JF.

I think it is safe to conclude that something happened to her. Maybe by someone else when she was younger and then perhaps the FIL charge or knowledge threw her over the edge.

statement:

Nelson said she'd been living in Cookville in East Texas since January 1985, in a house owned by her father-in-law, Clyde Nelson, a sex offender who was sentenced to 30 years in prison for sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl in August 1985. Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 03:41 PM
I think it is safe to conclude that is the case by this statement:

Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

Right, but that was her husband's dad. I don't think the FIL lived with them, but I could be wrong. I think whatever it was...it happened in her home and hence the reason she moved out at 15...and then was attracted to her husband with the SO father (in a twisted way).

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 03:44 PM
The Lane Bryant victims were all women, though, if in fact that was MN. They think it was a robbery gone awry. I think we need to know more about who her other victims might have been before we can say too much about the why.

I agree. She was no stranger to armed robbery. I think something happened and it went very wrong if it was her in the LB killings.

carbuff
12-31-2010, 03:45 PM
I think it is safe to conclude that something happened to her. Maybe by someone else when she was younger and then perhaps the FIL charge or knowledge threw her over the edge.

statement:

Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

The way the dates work out, he might have been in jail by the time she moved into the house. It could be significant but it might be a nasty coincidence.

Kimster
12-31-2010, 03:55 PM
From the Lane Bryant thread:

Cops pursue Lane Bryant lead to Texas

July 31, 2008

By WIlliam Lee and Kristen Schorsch, Staff writers

Detectives from the South Suburban Major Crimes Task Force are in Texas tracking leads connected to the Lane Bryant murders, the SouthtownStar has learned.
Earlier this week, 11 task force members from several south suburban departments and the Illinois State Police journeyed to an undisclosed city in Texas, Tinley Park police Chief Michael O'Connell confirmed.

The detectives are searching for a specific person, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation.

Some of the detectives have since returned.

O'Connell said investigators were sent to Texas to find and interview 10 friends of Rhoda McFarland, the 42-year-old Lane Bryant store manager who was one of five women shot dead Feb. 2 at the clothing store in Brookside Marketplace. A sixth woman survived a gunshot wound to the neck.

More info at link: http://www.southtownstar.com/news/tpshooting/1085199,080108tinleycaseforweb.article

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59699&highlight=lane+bryant&page=9

Lera213
12-31-2010, 04:02 PM
From the Lane Bryant thread:



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59699&highlight=lane+bryant&page=9
I saw that and checked around. I believe it was in Austin Texas was the town in question. Some guy had an insurance policy or something like that on a woman that was killed. They moved to texas but the woman killed stayed behind. Something to that.

LadyL
12-31-2010, 04:06 PM
haven`t seen this posted - there is a slideshow here of Mona pictures and in some of them, her hair & nose & lips definately look even more like those police artist sketches that were posted upthread ...

http://www.click2houston.com/slideshow/news/26320186/detail.html

Lera213
12-31-2010, 04:10 PM
Does anyone know the date when she was arrested for assaulting her daughter and how long she was in jail? Because this happened in 2008. The LB murders happened on February 2, 2008.

LandAuxvasse
12-31-2010, 04:17 PM
Does anyone know the date when she was arrested for assaulting her daughter and how long she was in jail? Because this happened in 2008. The LB murders happened on February 2, 2008.

This is all I've found detailing how long she was in jail for *some* of her charges:

"Court records show that in 1984, Nelson was charged with aggravated robbery and pleaded guilty in exchange for 10 years’ probation. Her probation was revoked in 1991, and she was sent to prison. She served just over three years and was paroled in October 1994, said Jason Clark, a Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman.
In 1997, Nelson pleaded guilty and served 30 days in jail for a bad check charge in Daingerfield in East Texas. In 2002, she spent another 30 days in jail in McKinney, a Dallas suburb, after pleading guilty to a marijuana charge. Three years later, she spent two months in jail and a year on probation for making a terroristic threat to another woman and misdemeanor criminal mischief in Mount Vernon, in Northeast Texas. "

http://www.khou.com/home/Police-Woman-charged-in-boys-death-a-cold-soulless-murderer-112682194.html?commentPage=1

Reannan
12-31-2010, 04:18 PM
The Lane Bryant victims were all women, though, if in fact that was MN. They think it was a robbery gone awry. I think we need to know more about who her other victims might have been before we can say too much about the why.

I can certainly see a situation where she would become insanely angry at anyone who she perceived as "disrespecting" her. I can see JF having not liked her and that could have been her motive. I do not believe burning the body was done to prevent ID... I think the details are going to reveal it was a sadistic, horrible murder and the burning of the body after death was just to further "destroy" someone who she was "getting even" with. The Lane Bryant murder did look like a robbery and the shooting began when she caught the manager on the phone with 911 if I am not mistaken. Therefore, the motives could have been different. She seems to not stick to any one particular type of crime from burglary, drugs, to smuggling aliens into the country from Mexico.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 04:26 PM
I can certainly see a situation where she would become insanely angry at anyone who she perceived as "disrespecting" her. I can see JF having not liked her and that could have been her motive. I do not believe burning the body was done to prevent ID... I think the details are going to reveal it was a sadistic, horrible murder and the burning of the body after death was just to further "destroy" someone who she was "getting even" with. The Lane Bryant murder did look like a robbery and the shooting began when she caught the manager on the phone with 911 if I am not mistaken. Therefore, the motives could have been different. She seems to not stick to any one particular type of crime from burglary, drugs, to smuggling aliens into the country from Mexico.

I think the video will be very telling in this instance. I won't go into details, but the manner in which the body was disposed of in the ditch will tell a lot. It almost feels to me like she wanted that body found. It was 6:00 p.m. (darkening, but not really dark outside) on a main road. Why not the dumpsters there? It's just so strange.

SurfieTX
12-31-2010, 04:33 PM
And some of what I see from her past is money motivated (robbery, trafficking Hispanics, theft by check, etc.). She also likes marijuana which tells me that there is some depression or some other psychiatric diagnosis. There are assaults sprinkled in, however. We know one was her daughter. I think it is important to see the progression of the assaults...who were they and why?

passionflower
12-31-2010, 04:36 PM
COLD, SOULESS, bizzarre, self contained,in her own world........some words Detective Miller described MN
in video.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 04:38 PM
took Jonathan for her own greed and her own desires................MN knew what she was doing!
MN tried to 'COVER UP"
no remorse

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=7872370

Lera213
12-31-2010, 04:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to learn during the trial that when LE went to her house the first time she was sitting on her butt playing the video that JF was playing and missing.

Kimster
12-31-2010, 04:43 PM
Stay on track about other crimes please. We're not in Jonathan's thread right now.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 04:56 PM
Another little tidbit - Mona was suspended from the Boxing Association for one month in 1984 - I signed up to get the report but it doesn't specify the reason for the suspension. Here is the very skimpy report that was rec'd:

passionflower
12-31-2010, 05:03 PM
Detective Miller says he believes that MN has done this before!
Didn't begin with Jonathan!
MN lies allot.
Trying to find other victims or crimes MN may of done.
Her eyes showed, no remorse.............cold eyes!
He wants all people who have MN info to call him/
medical conditions........not that he knows of............

Chili Fries
12-31-2010, 05:05 PM
Another little tidbit - Mona was suspended from the Boxing Association for one month in 1984 - I signed up to get the report but it doesn't specify the reason for the suspension. Here is the very skimpy report that was rec'd:

Someone mentioned this before. My guess is that it was probably just a routine medical suspension that happens after many fights. If a fighter gets injured the relevant boxing commission doesn't allow them to fight or train for a certain amount of time, in this case 30 days. It's done to protect the fighters from further injury, not because the fighter did anything wrong.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 05:06 PM
The Lane Bryant victims were all women, though, if in fact that was MN. They think it was a robbery gone awry. I think we need to know more about who her other victims might have been before we can say too much about the why.

I wonder if the survivor heard MN voice if she could ID it.
Also what made her think the robber was male is the person FONDLED her.
IIRC.
So, it is important to know if MN likes to fondle women.

Chili Fries
12-31-2010, 05:16 PM
If I'm understanding right, we don't have anything that places her in Detroit, MI at any specific time but I think the Raven Jeffries case is interesting. She was a child who was abducted in Detroit in 2006 and her body was later found burned in a field. The odds of Mona being involved are probably pretty low but I just thought I'd throw this out there.

Raven Jeffries case at AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=40042)

passionflower
12-31-2010, 05:46 PM
Do we have a list of cities/states and years to trace MN movements?
to research missing or murdered children? crimes like LB in Chicago???
that MN could be tied to???
any mug shots? did MN have any aliases like in boxing names????

Kimster
12-31-2010, 05:56 PM
Mona Y. Nelson (Preston): DOB 03/05/66

1980-1981: Works summer jobs at Martin Luther King Center.
Left home at 15 and met future husband
May 7, 1983: Marries at 17.
July 1983: Gives birth to twins at 17.
Dropped out of school in the 11th grade (17?)
1984: Pleads guilty of fleeing scene armed robbery.
January 1985: Moves with husband to Cookville, Texas.
September 1985: (Probation officer visits the home in Cookville and finds children well).
1986: Nelson was convicted of aggravated robbery in Harris County and sentenced to 10 years on prison (pled guilty and was on 10 years' probation).
1986: Children put in foster care? (this needs to be verified).
1991: Nelson was arrested by the Border Patrol at a checkpoint in Kenedy County for attempting to smuggle five illegal aliens from Mexico.
1991: Probation revoked and sent to prison (?? how long ??)
1997: Nelson was convicted of theft by check in Daingerfield. That same year, she was also found guilty of theft in Mount Vernon, and served 30 days in jail.
June 1997: Boxing match in NY
1998: Nelson was arrested for operating a stolen vehicle.
2001: Nelson pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and served 29 days of a 30-day sentence
July 2003: Tazwell County, Illinois with some sort of Code 3-112 violation.
2002: Nelson was convicted of possession of marijuana in Collin County.
February 2003: Boxing match in Oklahoma
2004: Nelson was convicted of making a terroristic threat in Mount Vernon, TX.
April 2004: Boxing match in Kansas.
2005: Nelson was convicted of criminal mischief in Mount Vernon, TX.
November 2006: Boxing match in Louisiana.
2006: Nelson was arrested on a battery charge in St. Charles Parish, La.
2008: Nelson was arrested on a charge of assault on adult daughter in Mount Pleasant.
2010: Murders Jonathan.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/police-12-yr-old-houston-boy-s-killer-a-soulless-murderer-showed-no-remorse

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=62112&cat=boxer

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=561178

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26319669/detail.html

:bump:

Is this what you needed, Passion?

carbuff
12-31-2010, 06:00 PM
Do we have a list of cities/states and years to trace MN movements?
to research missing or murdered children? crimes like LB in Chicago???
that MN could be tied to???
any mug shots? did MN have any aliases like in boxing names????

There are pointers to mug shots and other information upthread, if you go back and read what's already been done.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 06:14 PM
Cooksville Tx...................1985

Harris County..................1986 (crimes start 10 yrs. probabtion)

Kennedy County...............1991 sent to prison

Daingerfield......................1997 out of prison, bad check

Mount Vernon...................1997 30 days theft

NY ??? where....................1997 June boxing match

Tazwell County, Illinois .......July 2003

Collin County.....................2002 (pot)

Oklahoma........Where???.....February 2003 Boxing

Mount Vernon, TX..............2004 thru 2005

St. Charles Parish, La..........2006 criminal battery & boxing

Mount Pleasant..................2008 assault daughter

Mount Pleasant ................ Christmas 2009


Houston TX.......................2010 Christmas murders Jonathan

We have a few dates and cities to sleuth unsolved crimes, murders and missing.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 06:17 PM
There are pointers to mug shots and other information upthread, if you go back and read what's already been done.

Yes, I am interested in all her were abouts..........like boxing matches, where she was and what she did.........other crimes may get solved like Lane Bryant murders etc..........
Hope other people recognize her! from other crimes she didn't get caught in.
LE said she is use to work with hands, carpentar, welder, boxer,maintenance worker, handyman.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 06:22 PM
http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg11.html

elepher50
12-31-2010, 06:26 PM
The many faces of Mona Nelson over the years:

burbqueen
12-31-2010, 06:31 PM
Ok I'm in freak out mode now. In 2002 I was dating a guy with a serious drug problem. He hid this from me and I was just dumb cause I hadn't really dated any druggies before. I had dated dealers and weed smokers before but no one on hardcore drugs like my ex. He stole from me and blamed his friends. I found out the truth a year later.

Well in on the other forum I've said that mn looks soooo familiar and I think I've put it together. I believe I've met this chick before and she may hang hung out around my ex and his low life friends.

I'll check out her facebook and myspace to see if any of her friends look familiar. But if she is the same chick I knew back then then I probably had this monster over my apartment back then.

~greeneyedgirl~
12-31-2010, 06:48 PM
Stay on track about other crimes please. We're not in Jonathan's thread right now.

Poor Kimster... no matter what thread I read today you are reminding everyone we are on the wrong threaed....

Will this case be getting its own forum? There is an awful lot of information so far.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 06:50 PM
She was in Mt.Pleasant around Christmas time in 2009 visiting relatives. I will link in a sec.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7359495.html

elepher50
12-31-2010, 06:51 PM
Cooksville Tx...................1985

Harris County..................1986 (crimes start 10 yrs. probabtion)

Kennedy County...............1991 sent to prison

Daingerfield......................1997 out of prison, bad check

Mount Vernon...................1997 30 days theft

NY ??? where....................1997 June boxing match (6/21/1997 @ Onondaga A.C., Syracuse, New York)

Tazwell County, Illinois .......July 2003

Collin County.....................2002 (pot)

Oklahoma........Where???.....February 2003 Boxing (2/18/2003 @AMC Flea Market, Oklahoma City, Ok.)

Wichita, Kansas ..............April 2004 Boxing (4/23/2004 @ Radisson Hotel, Wichita, Kansas)

Mount Vernon, TX..............2004 thru 2005

St. Charles Parish, La..........2006 criminal battery & boxing (11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.)

Mount Pleasant..................2008 assault daughter

Mount Pleasant ................ Christmas 2009


Houston TX.......................2010 Christmas murders Jonathan

A_New_Day
12-31-2010, 06:56 PM
This might seem kind of "out there" but today I was thinking about this thread and MN. Any one here follow the WM3 case?

There were reports of a "black man" covered in mud and blood in the womens' bathroom at a Bojangles restaurant, the night of the murders. The victims of course were three young boys. The man was never identified and was never really taken seriously, anyways.

So was she in Arkansas in May 93? I know, a serious long shot.

Also, I haven't had a chance to catch up with the thread yet, but I wonder if it should be looked into any other supposed domestic death cases where a step-father was accused (whether still an open case or not).

Seems like she timed this to land on the SD (seems by the time line, SD was there right before the abduction) and she's STILL trying to focus attention on him. On that thought, just wondering if this crime has something to do with her relationship with her own step-father.

Apologies if anyone else has brought this up.. :) My fingers were burning and wouldn't wait for me to catch up.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 06:59 PM
A_New_Day, where did that happen? Do you happen to have some good links around? TIA.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 07:04 PM
This might seem kind of "out there" but today I was thinking about this thread and MN. Any one here follow the WM3 case?

There were reports of a "black man" covered in mud and blood in the womens' bathroom at a Bojangles restaurant, the night of the murders. The victims of course were three young boys. The man was never identified and was never really taken seriously, anyways.

So was she in Arkansas in May 93? I know, a serious long shot.

Also, I haven't had a chance to catch up with the thread yet, but I wonder if it should be looked into any other supposed domestic death cases where a step-father was accused (whether still an open case or not).

Seems like she timed this to land on the SD (seems by the time line, SD was there right before the abduction) and she's STILL trying to focus attention on him. On that thought, just wondering if this crime has something to do with her relationship with her own step-father.

Apologies if anyone else has brought this up.. :) My fingers were burning and wouldn't wait for me to catch up.

In 1991 she went to prison.........not sure wen she got out????

elepher50
12-31-2010, 07:04 PM
This might seem kind of "out there" but today I was thinking about this thread and MN. Any one here follow the WM3 case?

There were reports of a "black man" covered in mud and blood in the womens' bathroom the night of the murders. The victims of course were three young boys. The man was never identified and was never really taken seriously, anyways.

Also, I haven't had a chance to catch up with the thread yet, but I wonder if it should be looked into any other supposed domestic death cases where a step-father was accused (whether still an open case or not).

Seems like she timed this to land on the SD (seems by the time line, SD was there right before the abduction) and she's STILL trying to focus attention on him. On that thought, just wondering if this crime has something to do with her relationship with her own step-father.

Apologies if anyone else has brought this up.. :) My fingers were burning and wouldn't wait for me to catch up.

Haven't followed the WM3 case but will sure take a look at it. As to what Mona's motive could ever be I cannot even let my mind go into that dark cavern although I do believe it has something to do with jealousy, puberty, and sexual orientation. That is as far as my mind will go with this. Meaning I will probably never want to know what parts of JF were burned ... ever ... not in my lifetime. I truly believe that we are dealing with a real sick sicko and that Jonathan although not the first certainly will be the last imo.

Off to look at the WM3 case.

tehcloser
12-31-2010, 07:06 PM
In 1991 she went to prison.........not sure wen she got out????

She went in 1991 (9/11/91) and served an "approximate 3 year sentence" so what, sometime in 94? But an "Approximate"...could be 2.5 years.

i.b.nora
12-31-2010, 07:07 PM
snipped...
So was she in Arkansas in May 93? I know, a serious long shot.
She was in prison.

September 11, 1991: Probation revoked and sent to TDJC to serve prison sentence (3 years approx).

October 1994: Paroled from prison.

A_New_Day
12-31-2010, 07:07 PM
A_New_Day, where did that happen? Do you happen to have some good links around? TIA.

We have a thread here on the case, but I haven't ventured into it.. hang on. Let me check.


Ahhhh, okay. So it's definately not her. Thanks guys. For me she came to mind with the twine she used on poor Jonathan.

Boy this case hurts.

burbqueen
12-31-2010, 07:09 PM
I'm almost positive I've met her before. This is just getting weird...

JenRen
12-31-2010, 07:12 PM
I'm almost positive I've met her before. This is just getting weird...

Any chance you remember what this person sounded like?

I only ask b/c I have been in situations before where I thought someone was of a certain gender, then they spoke and I realized I was incorrect. Sometimes small things like that might stick out in your mind and help jog some memories.

Reannan
12-31-2010, 07:15 PM
We have a thread here on the case, but I haven't ventured into it.. hang on. Let me check.


Ahhhh, okay. So it's definately not her. Thanks guys. For me she came to mind with the twine she used on poor Jonathan.

Boy this case hurts.

Great thought A_New_Day! That is the kind of thinking we need.... Now, back to work.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 07:17 PM
Great thought A_New_Day! That is the kind of thinking we need.... Now, back to work.

You task master you .... lol ... you crack me up .. thanks for the smile!

sherryk
12-31-2010, 07:21 PM
I have to agree with those who think that this may not have been her first murder.

I tend to believe that somthing this horrific is not that of a person who's first time being involved or witness to this level of a crime.

I think she has done this before. I think that perhaps being that she is a woman may have taken the suspision off of her in the past if there was an unsolved crime or missing child case.

I really believe that there is more to her than we know. I hope that LE can connect her to anyother crimes she may have committed against children.

I think that this crime alone is enough to put her on death row, however I would like to see some other cases if she is involved be resolved.

I think LE has a long road in front of them with this woman.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 07:21 PM
I'm almost positive I've met her before. This is just getting weird...

Interesting information - what do you remember about her?

passionflower
12-31-2010, 07:23 PM
I'm almost positive I've met her before. This is just getting weird...

I think she would be someone that would stick in your mind if you met her!
FULL of HERSELF!

passionflower
12-31-2010, 07:26 PM
Did MN have alias names like her boxing name?????

passionflower
12-31-2010, 08:05 PM
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Is Mona Nelson of Houston TX a serial killer?

places and years MN has been

sophclown
12-31-2010, 08:07 PM
I have been reading about missing children in Texas.
Is it ok that I post a link of a missing child from Houston that has been missing since
April of 2006 and was discussed here at WS? He vanished from his apartment as well.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 09:14 PM
Did MN have alias names like her boxing name?????

Haven't run across any nicknames or alias as yet - have been watching for them.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 09:16 PM
I have been reading about missing children in Texas.
Is it ok that I post a link of a missing child from Houston that has been missing since
April of 2006 and was discussed here at WS? He vanished from his apartment as well.

Yes please a link so we can help you look at it.

passionflower
12-31-2010, 09:48 PM
I have been reading about missing children in Texas.
Is it ok that I post a link of a missing child from Houston that has been missing since
April of 2006 and was discussed here at WS? He vanished from his apartment as well.

Please do!!!!

sophclown
12-31-2010, 10:04 PM
Kendrick Jackson , 3, missing since 2006 from his Houston apartment.
TX TX - Kendrick Jackson, 3, Houston, 7 April 2006 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3780194.html

relise42
12-31-2010, 10:31 PM
She probably did box more, the ones listed are with just one organization.

buffetoflies
12-31-2010, 11:29 PM
. Is there a comprehensive timeline of where she has lived,

I used integrascan.com to find this info. It is a pay site, but the preliminary search gives prev. addresses back 25 years. It listed all 5 of mine, so it's fairly accurate imo.

I'll edit if I see the same info further along in the thread. I think (not sure) the # after the zipcode might be years lived there. I'm like 10% sure tho.

NELSON, MONA YVETTE
AGE: 44

1605 RR 1 BOX 1605
COOKVILLE TX 75558 4

RR165
COOKVILLE TX 75558 15

2010 TUAM ST
HOUSTON TX 77004 3

2710 ROSEDALE ST
HOUSTON TX 77004 6

2710 ROSEDALE ST 1
HOUSTON TX 77004 1

If there is another state she lived in that state would need to be searched, I think. I checked the preston surname and nothing came up.

elepher50
12-31-2010, 11:54 PM
Kendrick Jackson , 3, missing since 2006 from his Houston apartment.
TX TX - Kendrick Jackson, 3, Houston, 7 April 2006 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38343)

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3780194.html

His father is charged in this case. There were eye witnesses who said they saw Kendrick at a bus stop across the street from Canfield Falls apartments in the 1200 block of Wilcrest in Houston (where he lived) with an unidentified male that morning (not with his father). The unidentified male was between 30-40 years old - 5'7" to 5'9" wearing a white shirt and jeans.

Father was confusing in his timelines, eventually charged with a firearms violation and imprisioned for that. Kendrick has never been found. In August 2009 his father Roderick Fountain was charged and he apparently is still waiting to go to trial. Roderick could not satisfactorily account for his whereabouts from 2:30 to 6:00am on the day that Kendrick went missing.

TES did search for Kendrick but did not find him. Kendrick's mother still believes that he was abducted and that Fountain did not harm him.

This raises some questions doesn't it .......Kendrick went missing April 7, 2006.

elepher50
01-01-2011, 12:03 AM
She probably did box more, the ones listed are with just one organization.

Welcome to WS relise42 .... do you know of any other organizations that we can check for boxing dates/places? We are simply pulling that information from a straight google search based on name so there are probably others like you say - just don't know where to go look for the information.

Once again, Welcome to WS.

elepher50
01-01-2011, 12:16 AM
Am really not trying to hog this thread but must put this out here as it has been a thought that I cannot get out of my head all day. For a seasoned homicide detective to indicate that possibly MN has killed before what in the heck did they see in the garage apartment.

I simply cannot get it out of my head that the garage apartment was possibly the scene of multiple murders .... meaning multiple carpet burn marks that experienced detectives would recognize as spanning a period of time.

They saw something in that apartment that shook them to the core and leads them to believe there are others.

Do any locals know if white suits are combing through that garage apartment and if any further evidence has been removed?

debirlfan
01-01-2011, 02:35 AM
They saw something in that apartment that shook them to the core and leads them to believe there are others.



Some serial killers collect "tokens" of their victims. I seem to recall that JF's toy (some sort of stuffed animal?) disappeared with him. Perhaps MN had a collection of similar items?

Lera213
01-01-2011, 03:40 AM
Am really not trying to hog this thread but must put this out here as it has been a thought that I cannot get out of my head all day. For a seasoned homicide detective to indicate that possibly MN has killed before what in the heck did they see in the garage apartment.

I simply cannot get it out of my head that the garage apartment was possibly the scene of multiple murders .... meaning multiple carpet burn marks that experienced detectives would recognize as spanning a period of time.

They saw something in that apartment that shook them to the core and leads them to believe there are others.

Do any locals know if white suits are combing through that garage apartment and if any further evidence has been removed?It was stated on her MS or FB page that she liked true crime or something like that right? Perhaps she has a collection of articles on children that were murdered.

Heck if I was accused of something tomorrow and the police took my PC..holy cow can you imagine? I just searched yesterday Satanic Calendar...and all the other searches on my PC. Goodness! But yeah she has something to indicate she has a liking to children's suffereing.

nomoresorrow
01-01-2011, 06:00 AM
The father was indicted for this child's murder in 2009 according to the link below;
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6872548

Don't know what the current status of the case is - Anyone? Anyhow, LE seems quite convinced based on the evidence they collected/recovered - regardless of the fact that no body was recovered - that the father, Roderick Fountain is responsible.

Lera213
01-01-2011, 08:09 AM
I posted in the wrong thread again and there is not edit button for me so I can delete my last post.

Sailor Bug
01-01-2011, 11:16 AM
li Lowitzer – Age 16. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 26, 2010

Jordan Johnson – Age 17. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 23, 2010

Chasity Armstrong – Age 17. Missing from Katy, Texas since April 16, 2010

Cynthia Tucker – Age 15. Missing from North Houston, Texas since April 12 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas


Chasity Armstrong Update Found SAFE: Katy family reports missing teen is home now
July 1, 2010...then went missing AGAIN . I'm thinking she's run away of her own choice

sophclown
01-01-2011, 11:18 AM
The father was indicted for this child's murder in 2009 according to the link below;
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6872548

Don't know what the current status of the case is - Anyone? Anyhow, LE seems quite convinced based on the evidence they collected/recovered - regardless of the fact that no body was recovered - that the father, Roderick Fountain is responsible.

When this child first went missing a witness saw another man standing on the bus stop with him after he was abducted. The child's mother also believes that her child was abducted and that his father did not harm him.
I posted this because of the similar circumstances that have occured in the JF case. In the crazy world we all live in, maybe it was not Roderick that is perp.

passionflower
01-01-2011, 12:02 PM
She probably did box more, the ones listed are with just one organization.

:Welcome1:

:wagon:

Kimster
01-01-2011, 12:07 PM
I posted in the wrong thread again and there is not edit button for me so I can delete my last post.

Whenever that happens, alert on your post. What happens is that way later another mod comes by (like I'm doing) and I don't know which last post you are talking about, so rather than make a mistake, I'm not going to do anything at all.

Everyone, we don't have a counter on alerts that goes into some secret place where we say "Oh look! Poster324 has 152 alerts!" I used to think that before I became a mod so some of you might think that also. :dunno: But that's not the case.

:skip:

passionflower
01-01-2011, 12:08 PM
MN wsn't afraid at all of being seen or caught with Jonathan at his home or hers.
She had a plan.
IMO MN has escalated through the years and had this crime down pat.
No amature.....JMOO

CocoChanel
01-01-2011, 12:25 PM
li Lowitzer – Age 16. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 26, 2010

Jordan Johnson – Age 17. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 23, 2010

Chasity Armstrong – Age 17. Missing from Katy, Texas since April 16, 2010

Cynthia Tucker – Age 15. Missing from North Houston, Texas since April 12 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas


Chasity Armstrong Update Found SAFE: Katy family reports missing teen is home now
July 1, 2010...then went missing AGAIN . I'm thinking she's run away of her own choice


Just wanted to correct:
ALI Lowitzer – Age 16. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 26, 2010


Thanks for the list. I live in this area and my head is spinning.

passionflower
01-01-2011, 12:31 PM
1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic pornography.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

tehcloser
01-01-2011, 02:18 PM
li Lowitzer – Age 16. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 26, 2010

Jordan Johnson – Age 17. Missing from Spring, Texas since April 23, 2010

Chasity Armstrong – Age 17. Missing from Katy, Texas since April 16, 2010

Cynthia Tucker – Age 15. Missing from North Houston, Texas since April 12 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas


Chasity Armstrong Update Found SAFE: Katy family reports missing teen is home now
July 1, 2010...then went missing AGAIN . I'm thinking she's run away of her own choice


Jordan Johnson was found.


I also found this about Cynthia Tucker fwiw.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Alexandria Lowitzer, Chasity Armstrong, +?, Houston area, April 2010 - Related?

x_files
01-01-2011, 02:31 PM
1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic pornography.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

I agree with you but not all are very bright or have high IQ. The Green River Killer Gary Rideway was said to have below average IQ. I think he was just opportunistic and picked on the women in shady areas that wouldn't be reported for awhile.
This was before surveillance cameras at every corner and DNA forensics and cell phone technology that we have today.
The only reason I mentioned it so, we won't dismiss anyone as a potential serial killer just because they appear slow or posses a low IQ.
I don't think the Grim Sleeper possessed a very high or average IQ either.

passionflower
01-01-2011, 02:37 PM
I agree with you but not all are very bright or have high IQ. The Green River Killer Gary Rideway was said to have below average IQ. I think he was just opportunistic and picked on the women in shady areas that wouldn't be reported for awhile.
This was before surveillance cameras at every corner and DNA forensics and cell phone technology that we have today.
The only reason I mentioned it so, we won't dismiss anyone as a potential serial killer just because they appear slow or posses a low IQ.
I don't think the Grim Sleeper possessed a very high or average IQ either.

IIRC, MN had B and C grades..
left home at 15 (lots of family trouble?)...
she did drop out of school but got her GED.
MN wanted to be a pediatrician.
I don't really think her IQ is that low.

passionflower
01-01-2011, 02:40 PM
BBM this is from Dr. Phil:

1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic pornography.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.
14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

I bolded things we know about MN.........have to find out more about her childhood.........

x_files
01-01-2011, 02:47 PM
IIRC, MN had B and C grades..
left home at 15 (lots of family trouble?)...
she did drop out of school but got her GED.
MN wanted to be a pediatrician.
I don't really think her IQ is that low.

In order to accurately access her intellect she'd have to take an IQ test. Not all schools grade accurately some schools push students through.
I wonder if she did attend college?
Wanting to be a pediatrician an having the ability to do so are a big difference.
I've known students with low IQ's that thought they were going to study and become a doctor or attorney, but did not have the ability to do so.
I can only guess since, I haven't heard her speak.
My guess she possesses an average IQ.
Smart and violent enough to be dangerous.

I brought it up because some serial killers have low IQ not all are Ted Bundy archetypes and it doesn't take a genius to kill others.
There's many more examples than Gary Ridgeway and The Grim Sleeper killer.

i.b.nora
01-01-2011, 05:07 PM
Mona isn't a serial killer, imo.

tehcloser
01-01-2011, 06:50 PM
Mona isn't a serial killer, imo.

IDK what she is. I do think there is enough to poke around about though.

Starwynn
01-01-2011, 09:11 PM
I wonder if the survivor heard MN voice if she could ID it.
Also what made her think the robber was male is the person FONDLED her.
IIRC.
So, it is important to know if MN likes to fondle women.

MN brags about her talent to "touch" on either her myspace or her facebook page. I would link it, but I already got heat once for linking the boxer thing. :) But it is in the "status" section - she brags about her touch talents.

passionflower
01-01-2011, 10:46 PM
MN brags about her talent to "touch" on either her myspace or her facebook page. I would link it, but I already got heat once for linking the boxer thing. :) But it is in the "status" section - she brags about her touch talents.

BBM dah, I never knew about "touch TALENT"............
I guess I'm an old gal...........that seems yucky.....to brag of on MS or FB
I haven't read that, some say it has a virus.

oceanblueeyes
01-01-2011, 10:55 PM
1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic pornography.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

Circumstance is another argument that is proposed as a cause of serial killing. As the study of the profiles of serial killers progresses many similarities in their pasts, and in their recurring actions become eerily apparent. As children many suffered through traumatic childhoods, usually being physically or mentally abused. From this fact, it emerges that all reported cases of abuse committed against serial killers was done by their mothers.

Most serial killers kill either for personal gain (revenge, money etc...) or pleasure (usually sexual). Many serial killers have above average intelligence, and are well employed in high wage jobs (engineers, doctors, lawyers etc...). The majority came from middle to high-income families. They are usually handsome/ beautiful, very articulate, and sexually promiscuous. (1) As killers they have a specific trait that they look for in the victims that they ritually kill.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1698

Allusonz
01-01-2011, 11:03 PM
Whoa!!!! How did I get in here? Freaky - I was on the other JF thread, refreshed the page - and here I landed...

While I'm here, I wanted to add that I do not think that Mona is the Lane Bryant killer. To me, she looks like a woman. If I passed her on the street, I would not mistake her for a man. JMHO.

Now back through the Twilight Zone to the other JF thread...(insert Twilight Zone music here)

it was all the positive energy :D sorry ot but i laughed and laughed at this :)

Allusonz
01-02-2011, 12:11 AM
just a thought but when i look at this

St. Charles Parish, La..........2006 criminal battery & boxing (11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.)

Mount Pleasant..................2008 assault daughter

Mount Pleasant ................ Christmas 2009

it seems the NOV DEC and will stretch it to the JAN FEB months moreso the NOV DEC ones might be the first months to look

Salem
01-02-2011, 12:33 AM
Here's an article from Jun 2010 that talks about female serial killers. Interesting: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/female-serial-killers.html

Salem

zoomom
01-02-2011, 03:13 AM
just a thought but when i look at this

St. Charles Parish, La..........2006 criminal battery & boxing (11/18/2006 @ Cut Off Youth Center, Cut Off, La.)

Mount Pleasant..................2008 assault daughter

Mount Pleasant ................ Christmas 2009

it seems the NOV DEC and will stretch it to the JAN FEB months moreso the NOV DEC ones might be the first months to look

whoa, whoa, whoa! what are you saying!??? Are her crimes all in the winter months???

SurfieTX
01-02-2011, 10:40 AM
This is kind of off topic, but have you guys seen the sneak peek for Beyond Scared Straight on A&E? It shows the kids going into a room with an inmate who kind of looks like Mona (but she has tattoos all over her face). She tells them that everyone calls her Diabla (little devil). She then goes on to say how she didn't like drive-by shootings, she liked to watch her victims die. It's creepy as all get-out. Anyway, it's kind of an insight into the prison world for women and perhaps might give some insight into Mona's mind and/or experiences too.

passionflower
01-02-2011, 10:44 AM
some tattoos can look real and be fake..........henna based..........cheaper

Allusonz
01-02-2011, 02:27 PM
whoa, whoa, whoa! what are you saying!??? Are her crimes all in the winter months???

I honestly have no idea when or if other crimes have been committed i just found it interesting that it seemed around the xmas season there might be a pattern and it was just a thought as i had posted

angelainwi
01-02-2011, 02:35 PM
Interesting, a lot of serial killers and sadistic criminals do tend to follow a pattern of behavior. There could very well be something about the holidays that is a trigger for her.

tfrohning
01-02-2011, 02:53 PM
I not sure if she a serial killer.... but she killer of a young child. I don't know if she killed other children but pretty sure she killed others. there a lot to be learn from this monster.

I still waiting for motive....

I still concern about Jevon Tyrell Jones missing from Hoston in June

TX TX - Jevon Tyrell Jones - 12 years old - Houston - 23 June 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

elepher50
01-02-2011, 04:11 PM
Have created a Google spreadsheet which lists all known MN crimes, dates and places thus far.

It is setup so anybody can edit the spreadsheet to add/modify or to expand the information. When the google screen comes up click "open" and it will open the spreadsheet for you.

This way we can easily collaborate on collecting and keeping the information up to date regardless of where we are (the world is getting smaller isn't it?).

Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxTW905p_wUZMTI3NDA1ZDctZWFiNy00OGU4LWI1N TAtOTA2ZTQ1YmM0YTBj&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

ETA: Have a little bit of work to do to open this up to everyone to update - bear with me.

Mandy113
01-02-2011, 05:06 PM
I'm not sure MN is a serial killer but if she's guilty of this crime, as I believe she is, then I do think she's capable of anything. I've read all the threads on Jonathan, but I have not completely caught up on this one so apologies if I repeat something already posted.

LE found "a wealth of evidence" implicating MN in Jonathan's murder. I also interpreted what they said about MN possibly committing other such crimes to mean they may have found something else.

I've read some serial killers will keep something belonging to their victims. It was noted Jonathan had a stuffed cat which was missing. Possibly this is something MN intended to keep. The other thought I had involves MN's personality. She does seem to like attention with an intense, possibly impulsive, maybe even over the top personality. I wonder if she may have kept news clippings of other crimes. Perhaps that would cause LE to question if she could have been involved in those. But we don't know what LE found in her apartment.

FWIW, I do see a real similarity between MN & the Lane Bryant killer's sketch.

Sorry for my rambling. Just having a hard time getting my head around this. If there's a possibility MN can be identified as the perp in some cold cases, I think it's worth a look.

All JMHO

peeples
01-02-2011, 07:22 PM
I don't know what to think but thank you to everyone who is sharing info on this thread :) I'm not talented enough to find info. like this!