View Full Version : SC SC - Dail Dinwiddie, 23, Columbia, 24 Sept 1992
carolina
09-08-2004, 10:00 AM
for dail...we miss you more everday.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
WasBlind
09-08-2004, 11:00 AM
carolina, thanks for posting Dail.
More information on this beautiful girl who is missing since from Columbia, SC since September 24, 1992.
Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
Missing Since: September 24, 1992 from Columbia, South Carolina
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: April 12, 1969
Age: 23 years old
Height and Weight: 5'0; 96 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown hair with blonde highlights, brown eyes. Dinwiddie has pierced ears. She has facial dimples. One finger on each of Dinwiddie's hands is disabled.
NCIC Number: M-592497101
Details of Disappearance
Dinwiddie attended concert of the band U2 in Columbia, South Carolina with friends on September 23, 1992. The concert ended at approximately 11:15 p.m.; Dinwiddie and her group then stopped at Jungle Jim's, a nightclub in the Five Points' area of Columbia. Dinwiddie was last seen at approximately 1:30 AM on September 24 by an employee at the club. Her friends lost track of her at the club and assumed she had a ride home; they left at approximately 1:00 a.m. Dinwiddie apparently spoke to the bouncer for 15 minutes before walking out the door between 1:15 and 1:30 a.m. Dinwiddie was last seen walking north on Harden Street. She has never been seen again. She was wearing a long-sleeved olive green shirt, a bright blue LL Bean jacket tied around her waist, jeans and new white running shoes or brown boots at the time of her disappearance.
Dinwiddie was missed at 6:15 a.m. when her father saw that the lights and radio were on in her room and her bed had not been slept in. He called all of her friends and none of them knew her whereabouts, so he reported her missing at 8:30 a.m. The Columbia police treated Dinwiddie's disappearance as a kidnapping, since everyone who knew her said it would be very uncharacteristic of her to leave without warning. She is described as a cautious person who did not like to be out alone.
Investigators are probing the possibility that Reinaldo Javier Rivera was involved in Dinwiddie's disappearance. Rivera was charged with the murders of four Georgia women in 2000. Photos of Rivera are posted below this case summary. He was a resident of Columbia and a student at the University Of South Carolina in 1992, which was located near the Five Points area where Dinwiddie was last seen. Investigators are also looking into the possibility that Rivera was involved in the 1999 South Carolina disappearance of Paula Merchant. Authorities are uncertain if Rivera is connected to either Dinwiddie or Merchant's cases and no charges have been filed against him in connection with their cases. Interviews with him on the subject have not been fruitful. Rivera pleaded not guilty to the Georgia murders in July 2001. His trial date has not been established. He plans to use a defense of mental illness.
Dinwiddie's case remains open and unsolved. She is an graduate of Randolph-Macon Women's College, where she majored in art history. She was planning on enrolling at the University of South Carolina for graduate school at the time of her disappearance.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Columbia Police Department
803-233-8474
WasBlind
09-08-2004, 11:16 AM
Dail's page at the National Center for Missing Adults
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300354W
Dail's page at Rino Kids
http://www.rinokids.com/Adults/Dinwiddie/index.html
All matches on yahoo
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Dail+Dinwiddie%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=
With HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing
HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com
AuntieKaren
09-09-2004, 12:19 AM
Wow--14 years missing and this is the first I've ever heard of her. This is very sad...poor girl.
Karen
AuntieKaren
09-09-2004, 12:20 AM
for dail...we miss you more everday.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
Carolina--
I don't mean to be nosy, but do you know Dail?
Karen
WasBlind
09-09-2004, 05:02 AM
Prayers for Dail and all who miss and love her, for answers and soon.
With HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing
HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com
WasBlind
10-03-2004, 01:43 PM
Prayers for Dail.
With HOPE, Lanie
carolina
10-21-2004, 08:37 AM
karen - no i was not living in columbia yet when dail disappeared and unfortunately never got the opportunity to meet her. She did babysit for several of my friends who talk about her often.
if something good arises from every situation i believe that since dail's disappearance, women are more careful when going out in the five points area. when i lived there with my roommates i was told about what happened to her and girls/women never walk anywhere by themselves even if it is only two blocks. friends are always willing to leave what they are doing and offer them a ride.
i drive the walk dail would have taken that night almost every day and it is impossible not to wonder what happened to her. i pray that her family receives some long awaited answers soon.
AuntieKaren
10-22-2004, 02:02 AM
Dail certainly is a beautiful girl. I hope someday her family finds out what happened to her.
Karen
carolina
11-09-2004, 08:21 AM
i heard about this on the radio this morning...i really hope this new lead will bring dail's family and friends the answers they have been waiting too long for!
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/10113424.htm
lisag
11-09-2004, 08:26 AM
Wow.. It would be really nice to have some solid information after all these years. I really hope this "lead" is gets them closer to finding her.
I wonder what the new lead is??
carolina
11-10-2004, 03:50 PM
i don't know! i was hoping that they had mabe found something of hers, or something concrete, but this article from saturday doesnt make it sound that way:
Columbia Police Captain Steve Conley says an out of state law enforcement agency contacted the Columbia Police Department last month and told them someone had contacted them about the case.
Conley says Columbia Police are in the process of getting that individual to come to South Carolina for an interview.
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2530942&nav=0RaPSq3v
do any of y'all know of somebody in your state who is facing charges that might have something to gain by coming clean about their past?
carolina
12-02-2004, 02:14 PM
i feel so terrbile for dail's family that this tip didnt hold the answers they so desperately deserve. how terribly disappointing. everyone was really hoping this would be it.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/10308759.htm
lisag
12-03-2004, 10:47 AM
That's too bad. I was hoping they would get some answers.
carolina
02-18-2005, 09:14 AM
hey! our local news channel wis has recfently starting doinfg a feature called "the news you chose" where preople go on line and vote for a story they would like to see covered in depth. this week, due to some recent ones solved, an option is "solving cold cases".
if y'all have some time, before monday i think, go to www.wistv.com (http://www.wistv.com) and vote . it is on the main page and towards the bottom on the left.
maybe we can get dail some attention again! she deserves it.
carolina
04-12-2005, 04:22 PM
bumping for dail!
bulletgirl2002
04-12-2005, 07:25 PM
I did read that Riveria said he had nothing to do with her disappearance. And since he was in a "confessing" mood that might be true.
OriginalJerseyGirl
04-18-2005, 01:13 PM
I did read that Riveria said he had nothing to do with her disappearance. And since he was in a "confessing" mood that might be true.
In pretrial hearings, Rivera has admitted he raped and killed four young women beginning in 1999 in the Augusta, Ga., area. His attorney is defending him on the grounds of mental illness.
Around the time of Dail's disappearance, the now 38-year-old Rivera lived in Columbia and was a student at USC. Investigators interviewed Rivera but could find no link. Rivera had left a suicide note listing his victims, Chambers says, and denied any involvement with Dinwiddie (or Paula Merchant).
GreenvilleOnline.com - For parents of missing daughter, time passes but hope remains (http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/03/23/200303233381.htm)
OriginalJerseyGirl
04-18-2005, 01:16 PM
The article I linked above is very thorough and has a lot of nice background information about Dail:
Dail was a quiet figure, easily liked.
"She had a type of charisma that made people want to be around her," he says...
She had a sweet coating; she slept with her teddy bear, always, on into college. But underneath, others who knew her say, was a feisty spirit tempered with a sharp ability to judge character...
GreenvilleOnline.com - For parents of missing daughter, time passes but hope remains (http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/03/23/200303233381.htm)
carolina
04-18-2005, 01:50 PM
In pretrial hearings, Rivera has admitted he raped and killed four young women beginning in 1999 in the Augusta, Ga., area. His attorney is defending him on the grounds of mental illness.
Around the time of Dail's disappearance, the now 38-year-old Rivera lived in Columbia and was a student at USC. Investigators interviewed Rivera but could find no link. Rivera had left a suicide note listing his victims, Chambers says, and denied any involvement with Dinwiddie (or Paula Merchant).
GreenvilleOnline.com - For parents of missing daughter, time passes but hope remains (http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/03/23/200303233381.htm)
the way dail would have probably walked from jungles's to her parents house is scary to think about. especially if she shortcutted off the main roads. i tried to take a shortcut after leaving a tanning be in 5 points and i almost started crying in my car i was so freaked out. there is definately a rough neighborhood behind 5 points.
OriginalJerseyGirl
04-18-2005, 03:17 PM
i tried to take a shortcut after leaving a tanning be in 5 points and i almost started crying in my car i was so freaked out.
How awful! Imagine actually being able to walk or drive anywhere you want to, day or night, without fear of sexual assault or death? I don't even want to think about this poor girl taking that walk by herself if you were so frightened just driving there. Of course, that was ten years ago but the literature out there definitely makes it sound as if it wasn't a safe area back then either.
CuriousAnne
04-18-2005, 08:16 PM
I was a senior at the University of South Carolina when Dail disappeared. It was the night of the U2 concert. I had tickets, but had to miss it b/c I forgot I had a test the next day and had to study. I would have been at Jungle Jims that night...
OriginalJerseyGirl
04-19-2005, 12:11 PM
I was a senior at the University of South Carolina when Dail disappeared. It was the night of the U2 concert. I had tickets, but had to miss it b/c I forgot I had a test the next day and had to study. I would have been at Jungle Jims that night...
Wow, that's really bizarre.
BTW, have you ever seen U2? It's almost impossible to get tickets now so I'd be kicking myself if I gave up the chance so that I could study! :)
CuriousAnne
04-19-2005, 01:44 PM
Nope, I've never seen U2. :(
I could see the stadium from my dorm room window, and could hear the concert as well...studying was definately difficult!
carolina
05-24-2005, 01:40 PM
last night on our local evening news (WIS) the story viewers voted to learn more about was midlands missing people.
they did a nice story on shelton sanders who has been missing since 2001.
here is his link:http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3382468
it also gave all of dail's information and showed lots of pictures of her and her family.
dail is missed so much in our community and it is long past time for someone to come forward!
OriginalJerseyGirl
05-24-2005, 03:34 PM
dail is missed so much in our community and it is long past time for someone to come forward!
It's so great that her story was on again. I think that's so important. Maybe by showing her story every so often, someone will eventually call LE with some information.
carolina
09-06-2005, 04:43 PM
almost another year has gone by but we have not forgotten about you dail!
prayers dail will come home soon as she is very very much missed.
carolina
11-19-2005, 09:50 AM
we haven't stopped missing you dail!! and we haven't forgotten.
PonderingThings
12-20-2005, 09:41 PM
An excellent article about the case from 2003. It gives a lot of background and mentions that the family of this beautiful girl won't give up!
http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/03/23/200303233381.htm
carolina
12-22-2005, 11:11 AM
merry christmas dail.
carolina
03-15-2006, 01:32 PM
bumping for dail. it's been too long!!
Hollow
04-12-2006, 12:30 AM
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
Dail Boxley Dinwiddie
Disappeared September 24, 1992
Vital Statistics:
Date of Birth: April 12, 1969
Age: 23 years old.
Height and weight:5'0, 96 pounds
Distinguishing characteristics:Light brown hair with blonde highlights, brown eyes. She had facial dimples. One finger on each of Dinwiddie's hands is disabled.
Last seen wearing a long sleeved olive green, a bright blue L.L. bean jacket tied around her waste, jeans and new white running shoes or brown boots.
Dail attended a U2 concert in Columbia South Carolina on the night of her disappearance. Her and some friends went to a bar called Jungle Jims, a club in the Five Points area of Columbia. She didn't live very far from this club, they say a long walk, but doable. She took off on foot from this bar and was never seen again.
Masterj
04-12-2006, 12:33 PM
Thanks for creating a thread for Dail, Hollow! For some reason I thought there already was one.
Hollow
04-12-2006, 04:09 PM
i have really become obsessed with this mystery, I feel as though she really had a bright future ahead of her, as is the case with alot of missing people and victims of crime. It's so sad that this happened.
She was also so tiny, you'd think it would be obvious it was her if they had found her unidentified somewhere, she might even be mistaken as a child.
lisag
04-13-2006, 09:35 AM
There is a thread for Dail..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12425&page=1&pp=25&highlight=Dail+Dinwiddie
Hollow
04-13-2006, 10:18 AM
Thanks Lisag, I just read the whole other thread. It's really strange because I searched her name before I started this and it didn't come up, I wonder if I type-o'd???:angel:
lilsister
06-28-2006, 07:06 PM
Another bump for Dail. I have an unconfirmed source that may know something about this case. He was at USC and knew her informally. I'll let you know if he has any info regarding the case...it may be nothing so I don't want to get anyone's hopes up. God Bless Dail and her family.
carolina
07-07-2006, 11:33 AM
lilsister - this article states somethign about a new lead also. thank goodness they also have her dna on file now to rule out possibilities. hopefully we will get some long awaited answers soon! 14 years of not knowing is just unacceptable!
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/14785838.htm
lilsister
07-08-2006, 01:56 AM
I am still working on this lead. I cannot imagine what her family is going through!It may be nothing but I hope we get something//////////Bumping for Dail! God Bless her family!
Bobbisangel
07-12-2006, 06:19 AM
That poor family. I can't even imagine what their lives are like with their daughter missing for that many years. She was such a little thing. Someone just have just grabbed her up as she headed home. When friends go out together they should make a pact to stay together. I wonder how they expected Dail to get home without a vehicle? I wish she had called a cab or her dad. We just never think that something so horrible could happen to us.
I don't understand how LE could get Dail's DNA from someone that they might happen to arrest or did I misunderstand that? I can understand if they find a body and then match the DNA but how would her DNA still be on someone after all of these years?
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Here is what the article says.....
Or if police make an arrest and gather DNA evidence, they can run it through the database to see if it is a match to Dinwiddie.
JrZyChris
09-12-2006, 10:02 PM
Just a bump for Dail. Tonight, crimerant.com had a guest blog from a college friend of Dail, if you care to take a look.
http://www.crimerant.com/?p=213
inquiringmindz
09-26-2006, 05:27 PM
Prayers for Dail's family, friends, and all who love and miss her.
s_finch
02-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Please visit the link below. Thanks.
http://www.kristenfoundation.org/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=hw&report=sp&ID=027
And here's more info from a columnist who knew Dail personally.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/kathleen/parker092302.asp
s_finch
06-02-2007, 11:39 AM
Bumping for Dail and her family. Anyone on here from the SC area who would like to discuss this case? Does anyone know if LE is open with it's information, for example did any POI ever take lie detector tests or where there never any POI? I wonder about the bouncer who saw her last. And since we know she was usually a very careful person, I wonder if it's possible someone in LE is the perp--saw her walking alone at night in 5 points and offered her a ride. I truly don't think Rivera is the perp in this case. I've thought of writing to Rivera, who is on death row in GA, to see if he'd offer up any information IF he in fact is involved. Since he is on death row and has confessed to the murders in GA, why wouldn't he tell about Dail IF he was the perp.
There was a $50,000 reward (may still be in place, I don't know) in this case. You'd think with that kind of money offered someone would have talked.
Don't want to skip over Paula Merchant and her disappearance in 1999. Although their disappearanced occurred 7 years apart, LE still wonders if Rivera was the perp in both cases. We do know Rivera was killing in SC in 1999, but did he start as early as 1992? If so, there are other victims.
s_finch
06-03-2007, 11:59 PM
For those of you not familiar with the disappearance in 1992 of Dail Dinwiddie, here are some links.
http://www.kristenfoundation.org/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=hw&report=sp&ID=027
http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/03/23/200303233381.htm
She was a beautiful, smart graduate student (from all accounts, I never knew her personally) who vanished without a trace. Within a very few days of her disappearance, posters with her picture and info were distributed everywhere in SC--every bank, post office, etc... Even in the little rinkdy dink country towns and I should know because I lived in one at the time. She got a good deal of newspaper and tv coverage and still to this day some newspapers cover the anniversary of her disappearance. Yet as far as I've been able to determine from the internet, not a solid lead to go on. Her small stature would probably make identifying her, if she turned up as a Jane Doe, fairly easy, but that hasn't happened either.
Anyone on here from the SC area who would like to discuss this case? Does anyone know if LE is open with its information, for example did any POI ever take lie detector tests or where there never any POI? I wonder about the bouncer who saw her last. And since we know she was usually a very careful person (from stories of her friends posted on the net) I wonder if it's possible someone in LE is the perp--saw her walking alone at night in 5 points and offered her a ride. I truly don't think Rivera is the perp in this case. I've thought of writing to Rivera, who is on death row in GA, to see if he'd offer up any information IF he in fact is involved. Since he is on death row and has confessed to the murders in GA, why wouldn't he tell about Dail IF he was the perp.
There was a $50,000 reward (may still be in place, I don't know) in this case. You'd think with that kind of money offered someone would have talked.
Don't want to skip over Paula Merchant and her disappearance in 1999. Although their disappearanced occurred 7 years apart, LE still wonders if Rivera was the perp in both cases. We do know Rivera was killing in SC in 1999, but did he start as early as 1992? If so then there are other victims likely in SC and GA.
Thanks for reading about Dail. I pray she'll be found one day and her family and friends will have some answers.
MissieMt
06-04-2007, 08:59 AM
Oh that's awful S finch. I don't live in SC but I was wondering if you have been able to find all of the old articles and such to make sure none of them mention a poi?
s_finch
06-14-2007, 10:16 PM
Thanks MissieMT.
Bumping for Dail.
I lived in Augusta, Ga (an hour from Columbia) when this happened and I remember the posters around town. I never forgot her face. It saddens me to know all this time has passed and she is still lost out there somewhere...
bump for Dail.. We still remember..
monkalup
06-23-2007, 12:32 PM
I'm in SC. This case has always haunted me....
s_finch
06-25-2007, 10:14 AM
I'm in SC. This case has always haunted me....
Monk, do you have any thoughts on the case you'd like to share?
Jesstexas
06-25-2007, 09:57 PM
Does it strike anyone besides me as odd that she talked to the bouncer for 15 minutes and then he watched her walk off down the road by herself? Why didn't she ask him to call her a cab? Why didn't he insist on calling her a cab? Isn't that a doorman/bouncer's job? One of those articles said that she didn't like to walk alone at night. So why would she?
I want to know more about the bouncer. I wonder what he says they talked about for 15 minutes.
s_finch
07-02-2007, 09:27 PM
Does it strike anyone besides me as odd that she talked to the bouncer for 15 minutes and then he watched her walk off down the road by herself? Why didn't she ask him to call her a cab? Why didn't he insist on calling her a cab? Isn't that a doorman/bouncer's job? One of those articles said that she didn't like to walk alone at night. So why would she?
I want to know more about the bouncer. I wonder what he says they talked about for 15 minutes.
I've always wondered if the bouncer was given a polygraph, surely he was. Not many such details were ever released on this case. 5 points would have been crowded that night after the U2 concert and I find it hard to believe Dail would have chosen to walk home.
reportertype
07-03-2007, 08:51 PM
I agree, unless she went walking off to look for her friends or someone she knew for a ride.
Aphra
07-12-2007, 10:18 PM
This case has always haunted me too. I wish they could solve it.
One thing I've wondered: did they ever discuss what Dail's state was at the time of her disappearance? Because I've always thought that maybe she tried to walk home--and although Five Points isn't too far (maybe a mile) from where she lived, the area between Five Points and her home was really sketchy, to say the least. Since she WAS at a bar--if she was tipsy, maybe walking home didn't seem like such a bad idea, but something bad happened on the way home. That's been my theory--that, or she took a ride from someone she shouldn't have who couldn't be linked back to Jungle Jim's.
It's so sad. I can't even imagine how her parents feel, after all these years.
Salem
07-23-2007, 02:40 AM
I know it is a stretch here, but has anyone considered how similiar the MO in this case is to the Wisconsin cases, particularly Kellie Nolan's and the other young lady (sorry, I have to go look up her name)? At the bar, gets separated from friends, never see her again.......
I also realize there is a large gap in the timeline, but still.........
Salem
Salem
07-23-2007, 02:48 AM
Diedre Harm is the other young woman from Wisconsin. She also went to the bar, separated from friends and had not been seen again.
s_finch
07-25-2007, 03:29 PM
This case has always haunted me too. I wish they could solve it.
One thing I've wondered: did they ever discuss what Dail's state was at the time of her disappearance? Because I've always thought that maybe she tried to walk home--and although Five Points isn't too far (maybe a mile) from where she lived, the area between Five Points and her home was really sketchy, to say the least. Since she WAS at a bar--if she was tipsy, maybe walking home didn't seem like such a bad idea, but something bad happened on the way home. That's been my theory--that, or she took a ride from someone she shouldn't have who couldn't be linked back to Jungle Jim's.
It's so sad. I can't even imagine how her parents feel, after all these years.
But was she walking in the direction of home or the other bar where she was going to look for her friends? Did she ever make it to the other bar? I assume not since no one ever reported seeing her there. I've been to 5 points more than once but not sure how far it is between the two bars. I tend to think either she accepted a ride from someone she knew or someone grabbed her as she was walking and being as petite as she was, she would have been an easy mark. And surely whoever did this didn't do it just this once. How rare would that be?
Aphra
07-26-2007, 10:04 PM
The article said she was heading north on Harden Street, which would have been toward her home (according to Google Earth). I don't ever remember hearing anything about her being at a second bar, or heading toward one.
LisainWV
07-29-2007, 03:27 PM
I find the bouncer angle a little odd. Here's why....
I would think that you would only talk to a bouncer for 15 minutes if you already knew him. I can see exchanging pleasantries with a stranger if he was nice-looking, instigated a conversation, but to talk for 15 minutes??
So, if she knew him and he knew her, why didn't he get her a safe ride home?
If she didn't know him, what did they talk about for 15 minutes?
And, wonder what time he left the bar?
Wonder if LE has checked on him lately?
Anyone have an idea of a name?
Where did the friends end up after leaving this bar? Straight home, to another bar...? What do they have to say? I've done my share of partying and we never left a member of our party without finding out what was going on or if they had another ride...
s_finch
08-12-2007, 10:17 PM
I find the bouncer angle a little odd. Here's why....
I would think that you would only talk to a bouncer for 15 minutes if you already knew him. I can see exchanging pleasantries with a stranger if he was nice-looking, instigated a conversation, but to talk for 15 minutes??
So, if she knew him and he knew her, why didn't he get her a safe ride home?
If she didn't know him, what did they talk about for 15 minutes?
And, wonder what time he left the bar?
Wonder if LE has checked on him lately?
Anyone have an idea of a name?
Where did the friends end up after leaving this bar? Straight home, to another bar...? What do they have to say? I've done my share of partying and we never left a member of our party without finding out what was going on or if they had another ride...
All excellent questions! Was there anyone to corroborate the bouncer's story?
comfort80
08-17-2007, 12:47 PM
Dinwiddie was missed at 6:15 a.m. when her father saw that the lights and radio were on in her room and her bed had not been slept in.
who leaves the lights and radio on in their room before going to a concert?
doesn't this sound weird?
did she actually make it all the way home, then something happened?
wtsn5
08-27-2007, 10:32 AM
who leaves the lights and radio on in their room before going to a concert?
doesn't this sound weird?
did she actually make it all the way home, then something happened?
I don't find this odd at all.
IMO she left the light on when she left that night (I assume the light was a light by here bed), her alarm clock went off in the morning by way of radio to wake her for school or a job.
When I lived at home at that age I did that whenever I went out.
comfort80
08-28-2007, 12:05 PM
i understand now, i read it to mean the lights were on and the radio was/had been blaring as if someone was listening to it. i didnt know it was a clock radio.
thanx for the clarification- it helped.
Aphra
05-23-2008, 08:50 PM
I was checking into the Doe Network recently, and found this possiblity of a match:
http://doenetwork.org/cases/530ufky.html
The height is a little off, but not by much--and it sounds like they only found part of the skeleton anyway so I'm not sure how they could make a precise measurement. It's hard to tell from the photos if the nose is the same, but you know, it kind of looks like it to me. Any thoughts?
Edited to add: I know it looks like it's probably a much older woman but it may have something to do with that hairstyle depicted on the UID.
Hope4Lost
05-26-2008, 05:08 AM
I think that Dail's eyes are wider set than the sculpture. Also, her mouth is much larger.
Salem
05-28-2008, 01:12 AM
They have dentals on Dail, it would be fairly easy to check. I would call it in. I have to agree that Dail's eyes appear to be further apart, but this is a reconsruction and often, they are not exact. I think there is similarity along the jaw line and in the chin. Time frame is about right.
Aphra - I'd call it in and see if they can't just run the dentals. Good Find!
Salem
Aphra
05-28-2008, 03:51 PM
I've never called anything like this in before. I'm sort of chicken! How do you do that? If someone else wants to call it in, that's okay--actually I'd prefer it--and you can have full credit.
Masterj
05-28-2008, 05:48 PM
Aphra - I emailed the contact (Emily) the information on Dail, but did not take credit for the discovery. I will let everyone know if I hear anything back.
Dail's case was what first drew me to websleuths. She disappeared a couple of weeks before I visited USC during my senior year of high school. Her case has become so personal to me. I saw her face everywhere - on billboards, in the bookstore, on telephone poles and in the newspaper. I became so haunted by Dail and wonder about her often.
Aphra
05-28-2008, 06:47 PM
Thanks, masterj, for calling it in. (You and I must be around the same age; I was also a senior in high school when Dail went missing.)
If it is her (probably about a .001% chance!), then it's even more mysterious. How on earth would she have ended up in Kentucky?
Salem
05-28-2008, 07:44 PM
Masterj - thank you for helping with this! :blowkiss:
With reconstructions, about the only thing, in my opinion, you can try to match up are bone lines, so often the reconstruction can be very different from what the person actually looked like.
Aphra - it would not be impossible for Dail to have gotten to Kentucky. How it happened, I have no idea, but she has not been found locally, so extending the area where she may be would be logical, I think.
I think sometimes we forget just how mobile our society is, and while generally our lost are found close to home, that is not always the case. Recently a California missing woman was located in Illonios (sp?).
I wonder if any of the suspects had ties to Kentucky? I am not real up to date on this case. What do you think Masterj - any chance the suspect(s) has Kentucky ties? or is there a military base close by?
Hmmmmmmmm,
Salem
Aphra
05-28-2008, 07:55 PM
Salem, as far I know, there aren't any suspects, except for that Rivera guy, and I think that lead's been tapped out.
As far as a military base--did you mean is there one close to Columbia or where the Jane Doe was found? Because Fort Jackson is just a few miles away from Five Points. Don't know about KY.
Salem
05-28-2008, 08:09 PM
I meant close to where the Doe was found. I think I am mixing this case up with another one where the missing young lady had a boyfriend in the military. I'll have to go back through the threads and refresh my memory.
Sorry for the confusion,
Salem
SeekingJana
05-28-2008, 11:49 PM
It is said on every site that she has a disabled finger on each hand. Did she have polydactaly, meaning that she had an extra digit on her hands? If not, what was wrong with her hands and was it something that was visible to the naked eye?
I am asking because the KY Jane Doe has post- crime info that indicates her hands were either used defensively, were cut, or maybe ( my thoughts) were mutilated. If Dail had a distinctive SOMETHING to do with her hands, and if this is her, it could make sense.
I want her crime solved. BTW, the questioning of how her body could be found in KY bothers me.. Not aimed at any specific poster, OK? But I think we are short-sighted if we eliminate ANY possibility based on location alone.
I can see how any missing person could end up dead far from their last known sighting. Killers have dumping grounds, maybe they prefer to prowl for victims in an area where they used to live or visit and are comfortable, maybe they are a long-distance trucker or biker. There are as many reasons why Dail's body could be found far from SC as there are unsolved murders.
If we are going to help solve one murder, we have to keep all options open until they are eliminated.
Thank you,
Maria
Aphra
05-29-2008, 01:09 AM
it's ok, Seeking Jana, I shouldn't have said that about how she would have ended up in Kentucky. I totally see how it's a possibility. And the match possibility has been called in to the ME, so we'll see what happens. I bet she may have already been ruled out as the KY Jane Doe, personally. (Although Doe was found in 2005 and Dail's DNA wasn't submitted to the database until 2006, according to those articles someone posted above...so maybe they missed it.) I'm not sure what's up with her hands, though.
At any rate, I truly hope for a resolution to this case. Her family deserves answers.
Aphra
06-04-2008, 01:09 PM
bumping for Dail. Masterj, have you heard anything back from the ME?
s_finch
06-13-2008, 01:28 PM
There never were any suspects in Dails case except Rivera and he hasn't claimed this one. It truly is as if Dail vanished that night. Remember U2 was in down for a concert at USC and 5 points was really hopping afterwards. Very possible that someone not from SC (trucker, salesperson) was in Cola on business, abducted Dail after the concert and dumped her body miles or states away.
Masterj
06-13-2008, 03:41 PM
bumping for Dail. Masterj, have you heard anything back from the ME?
I never heard anything back at all. I wonder if the contact info for the ME's office is up to date. I think someone should follow up with a call.
Aphra
06-13-2008, 04:48 PM
I wonder if we might have more luck working on this from the other side--ie, submitting the info to the Columbia police. They would be more likely to respond either way, I'd think.
Masterj
06-13-2008, 04:58 PM
I wonder if we might have more luck working on this from the other side--ie, submitting the info to the Columbia police. They would be more likely to respond either way, I'd think.
That is a very good point.
s_finch
09-01-2008, 03:33 PM
Dail's case haunts me. I have several questions and wonder if any of you know the answers.
1) Did anyone related to this case take a poly and if so what were the results?
2) Was the home ever inspected as a crime scene (not accusing family, she could have been abducted out of the home after she arrived)
3) Were the dogs ever brought in to search her trail in 5 points?
Thanks in advance,
s_finch
09-04-2008, 08:55 AM
Bumping for Dail....
Aphra
09-07-2008, 04:59 PM
I did an overlay of the Kentucky Jane Doe and Dail:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/Aphra75/530UFKY.jpg
Here's the info on the KY Jane Doe again:
http://doenetwork.org/cases/530ufky.html
I've had no luck with any LE agencies, but I did not submit this match to the Doe Network. Maybe that would help. Should I?
Reannan
09-07-2008, 07:06 PM
Dail's case haunts me. I have several questions and wonder if any of you know the answers.
1) Did anyone related to this case take a poly and if so what were the results?
2) Was the home ever inspected as a crime scene (not accusing family, she could have been abducted out of the home after she arrived)
3) Were the dogs ever brought in to search her trail in 5 points?
Thanks in advance,
Those are all really good questions. The answers should be available too. Do we know if this case is still being worked as a cold case by LE in Colubmia? I am really close to Columbia and would be willing to schedule a meeting with any detective working the case and compare notes with what we have here. S Finch, aren't you in SC too? Where are you located - I am near Aiken in North Augusta, SC.
monkalup
09-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Those are all really good questions. The answers should be available too. Do we know if this case is still being worked as a cold case by LE in Colubmia? I am really close to Columbia and would be willing to schedule a meeting with any detective working the case and compare notes with what we have here. S Finch, aren't you in SC too? Where are you located - I am near Aiken in North Augusta, SC.
I'm about an hour from Columbia...go there a lot! give me a shout if you set something up!
s_finch
09-09-2008, 10:41 AM
Hi Monk and Reannan,
I'm an hour from Columbia in Barnwell County. I've read that the detective who worked this case for so long, Harold Chamber, was willing to talk with anyone that had questions and worked the case until his death. Sadly at that point I wasn't into sleuthing. I don't know what the status is now with the case but someone in LE should, IMHO, be willing to meet and discuss with us. I wonder also if we could file for an Freedom of Information Act. Here's SC's link to their law on FOIA http://www.scattorneygeneral.org/newsroom/pdf/foia.pdf
and below is snippet of what it says regarding LE cases:
Records of law enforcement and public safety agencies not otherwise available by state and federal law that were
compiled in the process of detecting and investigating crime if the disclosure of the information would harm the agency by:
(A) disclosing identity of informants not otherwise known;
(B) the premature release of information to be used in a prospective law enforcement action;
(C) disclosing investigatory techniques not otherwise known outside the government;
(D) by endangering the life, health, or property of any person; or
(E) disclosing any contents of intercepted wire, oral, or electronic communications not otherwise disclosed
during a trial.
So, should we file an FOIA or just go to Columbia and see what they will provide?
One thing I don't want to do is upset the family so I'd like to proceed delicately. I've read Dail has a younger brother and wish we would be interested in talking. Here's where I found out about him (if it is him, I'm always skeptical until something is confirmed) http://www.crimerant.com/?p=213 scroll down to the bottom to read.
I have bookmarked all info about Dail I've been able to find on the net (it's not much) but if you want the links I'll share them.
s_finch
09-09-2008, 10:42 AM
I did an overlay of the Kentucky Jane Doe and Dail:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/Aphra75/530UFKY.jpg
Here's the info on the KY Jane Doe again:
http://doenetwork.org/cases/530ufky.html
I've had no luck with any LE agencies, but I did not submit this match to the Doe Network. Maybe that would help. Should I?
Aphra, I'm no good at looking at overlays-----tell me what you see.
Thanks! and thanks for doing the overlay!!!!
s_finch
09-09-2008, 05:47 PM
Hi all,
I e-mailed the contact for Doe Case File 530UFKY about the possibility of her being Dail and get a reply that Dail has already been eliminated. Well, at least we know they're working on the various cases.
Aphra
09-09-2008, 07:12 PM
You guys, I work in downtown Columbia. What do you need me to do? I used to work at The State so I know a bit about FOIA and how you proceed in getting information released. (not a LOT, but I'm familiar with it somewhat.) Could we perhaps e-mail the detective in charge of the case, introduce ourselves, and ask for any information that's allowed to be released to the public?
ETA: I know at The State we had a letter written by a lawyer that outlined what we wanted and why we were alllowed to have it under FOIA. And I'm glad the KY Jane Doe isn't Dail, although it would've been nice to have this case resolved.
And I know this sounds nearly impossible but--is there even a ghost of a chance that Dail may be alive? I know we hear a lot about sex rings now but back then I don't remember it being talked about that much. The circumstances would not preclude this possibility, I don't think.
Reannan
09-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Wow, this is amazing that we have this many of us WS's so close by!! I definitely think it would be worthwhile to email the detective, introduce ourselves, and maybe even ask if we could get about 15 minutes of his time. I would definitely be willing to make the one hour trip to Columbia from here in North Augusta to just ask him where the case sits, explain what we do, and just see if there is anything else we can learn. For me, personally, I think one of the biggest questions I would like to know more about is the bouncer who spoke with her and who is officially the last person to see her alive. What is he doing today??
clemsongrad
09-09-2008, 09:23 PM
This is my first post, but I have been a lurker since the Tiffany Sauers case. I live in Augusta, Ga., but I was born and raised in Aiken. It really is amazing how many people from our area are on this website. I have been haunted by Dail's disappearance. I used to make road trips to visit my friends at USC, and I remember that area very well. It is hard to believe that this case hasn't been solved after all of these years.
s_finch
09-09-2008, 09:30 PM
Aphra, I doubt Dail is still alive because I read on one of the sites that she had asthma very bad and took shots several times a week and always had her inhaler with her and used it daily. I would think just a day or two without medicine, especially during a big stressor, would have been more than her body could handle, but that's jmo. Of course I would love for Dail to be alive but if she isn't, then I'd life for the Dinwiddie family (and us) to have answers and closure.
I definitely would be glad to drive to Cola to meet with the detective. I don't mind contacting him (whoever he is) and seeing about meeting, unless one of you would rather do it.
If we should meet with a detective we would need to get a list together of questions and be organized.
Also, my gut feeling is that whoever did this has probably (statics show) committed similar crimes before or after Dail. I've been looking at similar cases in the southeast trying to find a pattern.
I'm going to look more at the MO of Rivera, I don't think he's ever been totally eliminated. I've even thought of writing him in prison just to see if I could get anything out of him IF he is the perp in this case.
Also, please remember Paula Merchant disappeared without a trace from Cola in 1999.
AND I found this which has me puzzled http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4015733&blogID=132731397 If you scroll down it says about Dail "she ain't the only girl that never made it home from 5pts." Any of you have a myspace account and can contact this poster and ask her what she knows about other missing girls from 5pts????
Sorry to keep adding so much, but I went to the myspace site of Willie, the guy who made the above one for Dail, and it's creepy---he's from Columbia, lives in Chicago now, is really into music and obviously drugs. I don't know, Dail doesn't seem like someone who he would have hung out with so why does he have a myspace page on her? Weird. And, on his myspace page of her it's just a picture, not a mention at all that she is missing. Again, weird. If he were someone concerned for her wouldn't he have mentioned that she is missing?
Let me know what y'all think. Here's the link to his myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=4015733
AND Willie writes in another myspace account that "There is no place more beautiful in the world than Edisto Avenue, Columbia, SC in Spring. Waccamaw is a close second."
Edisto Avenue runs parallel to Harden Street which is where Dail was last seen and Waccamaw is between them. Both of these roads end not far from 5 pts.
Aphra
09-10-2008, 12:06 AM
See, though, I think that whoever did this to Dail was someone she knows, perhaps someone she was at the concert with and trusted. Maybe it was a male, and he wanted more than she wanted to give, and tragedy ensued. She was so tiny, it would be so easy to overpower her.
I really think her friends may know more than they're telling. (Who leaves a true friend somewhere without asking if she needs a ride home?) Sure, there are skeevy guys at the bars in Five Points, but Dail was in a crowd. I think it was someone in her extended circle. So I'd really like to know how thoroughly they investigated her friends, co-workers, former co-workers, etc., and ESPECIALLY how thoroughly they investigated everyone she was at the concert with that night. Did she pay for the ticket? Did someone else pay for it, perhaps, and then maybe feel "entitled" to something? Who knows. But I'm pretty sure of one thing: somebody's not telling the whole story.
s_finch
09-10-2008, 08:18 AM
See, though, I think that whoever did this to Dail was someone she knows, perhaps someone she was at the concert with and trusted. Maybe it was a male, and he wanted more than she wanted to give, and tragedy ensued. She was so tiny, it would be so easy to overpower her.
I really think her friends may know more than they're telling. (Who leaves a true friend somewhere without asking if she needs a ride home?) Sure, there are skeevy guys at the bars in Five Points, but Dail was in a crowd. I think it was someone in her extended circle. So I'd really like to know how thoroughly they investigated her friends, co-workers, former co-workers, etc., and ESPECIALLY how thoroughly they investigated everyone she was at the concert with that night. Did she pay for the ticket? Did someone else pay for it, perhaps, and then maybe feel "entitled" to something? Who knows. But I'm pretty sure of one thing: somebody's not telling the whole story.
Good point about who paid for the ticket.
There is a theory in sleuthing that if more than two people "know" something, one of them will eventually spill the beans.....for example, one may tell out of fear that another one tells first and gets some amount of limited immunity.
I don't believe more than two people know what happened and really I think only the perp knows. Dail was small, would have been very easy to grab and overpower. I guess the only four possibilities are:
1) she accepted a ride from someone she knew and thought she could trust,
2) she was abducted by someone driving by
3) an accident occurred and rather than report it the other party disposed of her
4) she attempted to walk home and was abducted on the way ( the last is the most doubtful theory in my opinion).
Aphra
09-10-2008, 05:51 PM
I've been reading the Richland County Sheriff's website, and apparently you can put in a request for a police report. I don't know if this means accident report (like for insurance purposes), or an investigation report, but it doesn't specifically say "accident" so I'm not sure.
ETA: I forgot it would be the Columbia PD, not the Richland County Sheriff, who'd be handling this. Off to see what the Columbia PD says.
s_finch
09-12-2008, 01:01 PM
Hi Aphra,
Let me know what you find out!
Thanks!
Aphra
09-13-2008, 09:07 PM
It doesn't look like we're going to be able to get a copy of the police report:
************************************************** **
(snipped from the Columbia PD website)
Obtaining copies of police reports
For a copy of a police report you filed, you must visit the Records Unit in person with a picture ID and $3 to cover the administrative costs. The more information you can give to a Records Unit employee -- including your name, the location of the crime, and the nature of the crime – the easier it will be to find your record.
Generally, you cannot have a copy of a police report for a crime reported by someone else, as this might compromise the privacy of the victim and witnesses.
************************************************** ****************************
s_finch
09-15-2008, 08:11 AM
Thanks Aphra! We'll have to keep digging.
Reannan
09-15-2008, 10:03 AM
This is my first post, but I have been a lurker since the Tiffany Sauers case. I live in Augusta, Ga., but I was born and raised in Aiken. It really is amazing how many people from our area are on this website. I have been haunted by Dail's disappearance. I used to make road trips to visit my friends at USC, and I remember that area very well. It is hard to believe that this case hasn't been solved after all of these years.
Welcome Clemsongrad! I also live in the Augusta area, and I grew up in Clemson. Small world, huh?
Aphra
09-15-2008, 01:21 PM
I wasn't going to post this, but...
http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com
She did a reading on Dail.
ETA: if these kinds of readings aren't allowed here let me know...I'll delete it.
gaia227
09-15-2008, 04:02 PM
I saw this too this morning and kept debating if I should post it or not.
s_finch
09-15-2008, 04:07 PM
Wow. Lots of info to ponder there.
I admit I am skeptical of such readings and respectfully wonder about cases where forensic astrology has been valuable in solving a case.
I'm going to read through it again.
Thanks!
clemsongrad
09-15-2008, 04:36 PM
Thank you for the welcome, Reannan. I know that you enjoyed growing up in Clemson. Clemson is a beautiful place and a great place to go to school. Back to the topic, I hope that Dail's case will be solved one day soon so that her family can have some closure.
Masterj
09-15-2008, 04:59 PM
Just a quick update that I finally received a response to my email:
Dear Masterj
Several months ago you sent this inquiry. I had a 2005 note in my files that a comparison had already been made and there was no possibility of a match. After your inquiry I tracked down the original communications to confirm my note, and this is not a match.
Thanks, anyway, and sorry for the delay.
Emily
From: Masterj
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:41 PM
To: Craig, Emily (Justice)
Subject: Agency Case Number: FA-2005-41 NCIC Number: U-280016921
Importance: High
Agency Case Number: FA-2005-41
NCIC Number:
U-280016921
Dear Emily,
I am writing to you in regard to the case listed above, a Jane Doe found in Shively, Kentucky on July 22, 2005. I belong to an online forum called Websleuths and one of our posters thought this unidentified Jane Doe might be Dail Dinwiddy who disappeared from Columbia, SC on 9-24-1992. A link to her information is included below. The poster noted that the noses are very similar and the height was close enough in range to be considered. Do you know if Dail has been ruled out as Jane Doe? Dail’s case is very dear to me as she disappeared from SC right before I started looking at SC colleges. I remember seeing her missing posters everywhere and years later, her case drew me to www.websleuths.com (http://www.websleuths.com/).
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300354W (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300354W)
Thank you very much for your time,
Sincerely,
Masterj
Aphra
09-15-2008, 05:46 PM
I have to admit that I'm a bit skeptical of this particular *scenario*, not of forensic astrology itself or this woman's talents as a forensic astrologer. (Yeah, I know astrology isn't for everyone but I'm personally interested in it.)
On the other hand, it's been brought up here more than once that the bouncer at the club may have known more than he was letting on. I *wish* that there was some way to get the police report and find out whether they investigated the backgrounds of the people working at the club. Also, the fact that she mentioned something about Dail not being far from home...well, a lot of us here know that those neighborhoods around Dail's house are just scary and overgrown and it probably wouldn't be very difficult to hide someone in one of those houses even if there *were* people canvassing the neighborhood during the first days of Dail's disappearance.
It seems like this would be a fairly easy thing to unravel if we had some names of people who worked at the club that night and whether we could tie them to someone who owned a house in that particular neighborhood--and whether that person had an applicable criminal record. Even then it wouldn't directly lead us to Dail.
I just don't know what to do with this info. Nothing, I guess.
Elphaba
09-15-2008, 06:25 PM
I'm by no means in to the stuff, but I don't see why there would be an issue on posting forensic astrology stuff... one of our members is doing charts for the Caylee case, so it should be fine here.
Welcome Clemsongrad... I was born and raised in the CSRA... was just down there in June to watch my daughter graduate.
Elphaba
09-15-2008, 06:31 PM
Oh, I forgot what I was intending to post: on that site it says that Dail's father found her radio and light on, but the bed unmade, the next morning. To me that sounds like she may have made it home turning the radio on once in her room, then stepped back out for what could have been a quick moment, but something happened. (unless she was known for leaving stuff on in her room, thus the radio and light was on the whole time she was at the U2 concert... so them being found on may mean nothing)
Reannan
09-15-2008, 09:02 PM
I think she left the light on when she left for the concert, and I believe the radio was one because it was an alarm radio. My daughter's, and my own radio come on every morning, unless I tell it not to.
Masterj
09-15-2008, 10:47 PM
I think she left the light on when she left for the concert, and I believe the radio was one because it was an alarm radio. My daughter's, and my own radio come on every morning, unless I tell it not to.
I totally agree.
s_finch
09-24-2008, 09:39 AM
16 years ago today Dail went missing. Prayers for her family and friends.
s_finch
09-30-2008, 10:46 PM
Wanted to post/store this here before it disappears and also want to state that I have no reason to believe or disbelieve the poster Donnieatlex, I'm just copying and pasting for info.
This is from a comment/blog on wltx.com and the remarks are in response to this article
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=66559&catid=2
"Human Remains Found in Calhoun County"
poster ThatsBS wrote wondering if these remains could be Dail and said
I wonder about Dail too. I have wondered if the cops ever checked the old tunnel system that runs underneath Five Points for her. Her mom does a good job of keeping her story in the news every so often. I wish they'd find out what happened to her so that her parents could have some closure.
this is a reply further down the blog from Donnieatlex
Donnieatlex wrote
"Dale Dinwiddie is dead. They know who killed her. He is also the prime suspect in the kidnapping and murder of the Marchant girl. He lives in Rosewood and made a living for most of his life working as a professional informant for Richland, Lexington and Horry County narcotics. I am afraid they will never bring charges against him. He was my brother's best friend."
Then after someone questioned the above Donnieatlex replied with
Wont print his name, but I have spoken with local law and the FBI. My brother is dead now, and we never could convince him to tell what he knew. I beat him so badly over this that I was originally charged with attempted murder. They dropped the charges as soon as they found out what it was about. The suspect flees when he sees me or my vehicle, but I dont intend to do anything to him. My brother did state flat out that he knew for a fact that this guy did it. I said the only way you could know for sure was if you saw it. He said he knew for sure. My sisters and I immediately went to police. My brother was brought in and the matter has been followed as far as it can go. I am sure they are not looking at anyone else but this creep as a suspect. Everyone in Rosewood and Olympia, that grew up with us knows about this. He rarely leaves his moms home on Wando.
s_finch
09-30-2008, 11:14 PM
OK, I did a mapquest on the info about Wando Street in Columbia, SC and from Jungle Jim's on Harden street to the 700 block of Wando St. (the block I chose because it is in the middle of the length of Wando) , it is a drive time of 6 minutes and estimated to be 2.06 miles. Course, it could be shorter depending on where on Wando you were going.
itsjustmecherri
10-01-2008, 12:41 PM
What a horrible and sad thing. And whats even worse is the family has no real closure. I will pray for this family. I will also pray that the person responsible comes forward.
s_finch
10-13-2008, 04:54 PM
Bumping for Dail
s_finch
10-23-2008, 10:11 AM
Wishing and praying for closure in this case. Dail's family and friends deserve that much.
s_finch
11-30-2008, 08:22 PM
Bumping for Dail
birgitta_ice
12-13-2008, 03:20 PM
I hope this case is going to get a closure, I don´t have a good feeling about this case, I don´t think she´s alive but I truly hope she´s going to be found, my prayers are for her and her loved once.
http://chatarea.com/psychicsearchformissingchildrenandadults
psychic search for missing children and adults
s_finch
12-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Thank you Brigitta. I never met Dail and don't know her family or friends, but I clearly remember when I heard about her case. I live about 50 miles from where this happened and the missing posters and pictures of her posted all over SC made a deep impression on me and her disappearance haunts me. I think Dail's disappearance was the first time that I realized that at the hands of evil, others really can just vanish. It's still hard to believe how many people this happens to on a regular basis.
Proud Country Gal
12-22-2008, 09:15 PM
Praying new info on Dail's case.
I had just moved to Sumter SC a couple of months before Dail went missing. I have always wondered what happened to her.
s_finch
12-24-2008, 09:33 AM
Sorry to keep adding so much, but I went to the myspace site of Willie, the guy who made the above one for Dail, and it's creepy---he's from Columbia, lives in Chicago now, is really into music and obviously drugs.
It's too late to edit the above but need to add that Willie is listed as living in Chicago, SC not Chicago, IL also, he's changed alot of what was on his myspace and it truly looks less like someone into drugs and I shouldn't be judging anyway.
s_finch
01-08-2009, 07:18 PM
Bumping
skyatnight
01-19-2009, 04:58 PM
Bumping up Dail. Hopefully, we'll get an update on her case.
s_finch
02-02-2009, 07:57 AM
bumping
ValleySailor
02-12-2009, 02:54 PM
And another bump up. I, too, have been haunted by this case. I was at the U-2 concert the night of her abduction and would have normally been in 5 Pts afterwards except that it was a Sunday night and I had to work the next day, so we went home immediately afterwards. I know the area. I grew up here. I have followed the case in the years since '92 and have never heard the "donnieatlex" story before now.
Michigirl
02-12-2009, 05:25 PM
What an absolutely beautiful girl Dail is, this case has haunted me also since reading about it on WS. I only hope someday soon someone talks so her family may know some peace.
s_finch
02-18-2009, 10:44 AM
I recently sent an e-mail to a columnist that still has connections with Dail's family and is also a person that Dail used to babysit for. I asked the columnist if she thought the family would mind or be interested in a website for Dail to give her case more coverage and also told about this thread on websleuths. In the past the columnist has replied to me in discussions about Dail but not this time. So I'm assuming (and I hate to assume) that the family doesn't want a website for her. Maybe it's too painful for them, I don't know. I do know Dail has an older brother and wonder how he would feel about this.
Dail's case brought me to websleuths and like others on here, it haunts me. Seems to me that a renewed public campaign about her case couldn't hurt. It's been so long that maybe someone who knows something wouldn't be as afraid to tell now.
After reading up on Rivera, I do not believe he had anything to do with Dail's disappearance. I think she either accepted a ride from someone she knew or was snatched off the street.
I'm working on some info, nothing new in the case but info that might be a good link. Will post if it pans out.
ValleySailor
02-23-2009, 01:38 PM
Bumping this back up. It seems like someone in the media would be interested in renewing public interest in this case. Why have we gone for so long and heard NOTHING?
Aphra
03-10-2009, 08:18 PM
I think that the bartender needs to be looked at again. So many of these people who just seem to vanish into thin air--well, they don't just vanish. The people who saw them last seem to be questioned and then released! Of course they're just going to say stuff like "Well, we talked for ten minutes about blah blah blah and then she left." Police need to question them more! And why on earth would he have let her leave without calling a cab? Seems to me that any decent human would at least insist on doing that--especially someone who works at a club and could be held accountable.
s_finch
03-17-2009, 10:04 PM
I don't suspect the bouncer. 5 points was very busy that night and if you are familiar with it you know it's got lots of restaurants and clubs. I doubt that bouncer would have had time to do something with her unless he left his post and it's never been said he did. 1 am after a U2 concert is still early in the evening so I don't see how the bouncer could get by with leaving his post long enough to not be detected. And it's very possible to walk from club to club at 5 points and done all the time so it's not unusal he didn't call a cab for her unless she said she was gonna walk home and I believe the bouncer reported that she went off in search of her friends, meaning she headed to another club. Of course, you are right the bouncer was the last one to see her and I'd like to see coroborating statements.
s_finch
03-23-2009, 12:32 AM
Here are some similarities between Dail's case and another I just read about, Bridget Pearl.
The Date--Dale Dinwiddie disappeared at about 1:30 am on September 24,1992. She was leaving a bar in downtown 5 points Columbia and was walking to another bar (or posssibly home but that is doubtful). Bridget disappeared Sept 5, 1992.
The City Both of these occured in their respective state capitol cities, which are only at most, 4 hours apart
Time of disappearance both occured close to 1am
Physical and other similarities both are female caucasians, both are of small stature, both disappeared without a trace while supposedly walking at night
monkalup
03-23-2009, 10:11 AM
Bridget's full name is Bridget Pearl Clodfelter, in case anyone is looking for her case http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/case_detail/0,2695,67862954_74030306_122477277,00.html
cleo612
03-29-2009, 10:00 AM
Wanted to post/store this here before it disappears and also want to state that I have no reason to believe or disbelieve the poster Donnieatlex, I'm just copying and pasting for info.
This is from a comment/blog on wltx.com and the remarks are in response to this article
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=66559&catid=2
"Human Remains Found in Calhoun County"
poster ThatsBS wrote wondering if these remains could be Dail and said
I wonder about Dail too. I have wondered if the cops ever checked the old tunnel system that runs underneath Five Points for her. Her mom does a good job of keeping her story in the news every so often. I wish they'd find out what happened to her so that her parents could have some closure.
this is a reply further down the blog from Donnieatlex
Donnieatlex wrote
"Dale Dinwiddie is dead. They know who killed her. He is also the prime suspect in the kidnapping and murder of the Marchant girl. He lives in Rosewood and made a living for most of his life working as a professional informant for Richland, Lexington and Horry County narcotics. I am afraid they will never bring charges against him. He was my brother's best friend."
Then after someone questioned the above Donnieatlex replied with
Wont print his name, but I have spoken with local law and the FBI. My brother is dead now, and we never could convince him to tell what he knew. I beat him so badly over this that I was originally charged with attempted murder. They dropped the charges as soon as they found out what it was about. The suspect flees when he sees me or my vehicle, but I dont intend to do anything to him. My brother did state flat out that he knew for a fact that this guy did it. I said the only way you could know for sure was if you saw it. He said he knew for sure. My sisters and I immediately went to police. My brother was brought in and the matter has been followed as far as it can go. I am sure they are not looking at anyone else but this creep as a suspect. Everyone in Rosewood and Olympia, that grew up with us knows about this. He rarely leaves his moms home on Wando.
Has this information been turned over to the investigating officer? They would be able to track who this donnieatlex person is, and it just might lead to some closure for this family.
s_finch
03-29-2009, 07:38 PM
Has this information been turned over to the investigating officer? They would be able to track who this donnieatlex person is, and it just might lead to some closure for this family.
I haven't contacted LE about it. If Donnieatlex is serious and not a pathologial liar or dilusional, then from what he is saying LE already knows the deal but can't bring charges. I've tried to get in touch with Donnieatlex and he posts on topix out of Columbia, SC regularly but his info isn't pubic so I can't send a message to him.
MadeaBecBec
03-30-2009, 12:22 AM
Apparently donnieatlex is/was a "Building Official" for Forest acres, you can see his comment made on another comment forum here: http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=66503&catid=2
donnieatlex wrote:
Mr. March- here is the solution. You wont go to jail. When I was the building official for Forest Acres, the public school parents at Satchel Ford school would park across the driveways of the people that live on Satchel Ford. They did not care that the folks could not come or go until little Bif and Buffie were picked up. One day, they actually parked on a homeowner's lawn - not the right of way. This is what he did. Get a long chain - a thick one - and chain the vehicles together. Then you do not allow the car owner back on your property. Call the police and have them come. Have all discussions with the officer and the car owner in the public right of way. Tell the officer you want to immediately place the person under trespass notice. He carries a form for this. Do not give in. Insist that they notify the local magistrates court and request a hearing at which time they can request that you RELINQUISH POSSESSION OF THEIR VEHICLE. You will then have 30 days to do so. You have already established the parameters to have them fined for trespassing $1080 ! when you placed the sign in the lot. This is better than towing and a lot more fun. A photo in the press of the chained cars will be all you need to end your parking problems. This method worked for a restaurant on Beltline that was havings its lot completely filled by the D's restaurant next door.
Mmmmm, interesting! A Building official, someone that has the ability to oversee foundations???? Just a thought!!!
s_finch
05-07-2009, 10:17 PM
Bumping
s_finch
06-21-2009, 11:57 AM
Bumping for Dail
Proud Country Gal
06-24-2009, 06:10 PM
Praying answers for Dail and her family!
eeyorelrn
06-30-2009, 03:09 AM
I was originally drawn to Web Sleuths because of the Dail Dinwiddie case. I born, raised, and have lived in the Columbia area for my entire life. I remember when Dale went missing. I remember seeing the heartache that her family was going through on the TV and in the paper.
I also follow the commenting on WLTX.com, where Donnieatlex is a very frequent and regular commentor. Having read here what he has stated in previous stories (which were posted prior to my following the WLTX.com commentors), I was at first VERY alarmed, almost to the point of being convinced that he was directly involved. However, after reading so many of his other comments about other stories on that site, I now believe that what he says about his brother's friend to be true.
There have been alot of rumors in Columbia passed around for years about the Columbia police department (the Primary LE agency that investigated this case) and the Richland County Sherrif's Department and possible corruption, including questionable actions by the Former Cheif of Police and the Current Sherriff. While I cannot speak to the truth or non-truth of these rumors, Donnieatlex's statements makes me DEFINITELY rethink my position on some kind of cover-up at some level. I wonder if the State Law Enforcement Division (SLED to us local South Cackalackians) has ever been contacted about these stories or have ever been asked by Dale's family to investigate?
I guess what bothers me so much is that I have, in my 20's, spent soo much time in 5 Points, in many of the same bars that Dale and her friends frequented, walking the same streets from bar to bar, by myself. I have seen the posters that are still hanging in some 5 Points establishments of Dale, and I hate that there has never been any closure, not just for her family and friends, but for the Community as a whole.
thanks for letting the new gal speak from the heart for a few. Keep up the good work, for as long as the people here keep looking, none of these missing will be forgotten.
Aphra
06-30-2009, 07:38 PM
I actually have a different theory about what happened to Dail. In the 90's, we didn't know as much about trafficking as we do now, but I bet that back then it was just as prevalent--just not talked about as much. (I will also add that I developed this theory after seeing "Taken," so...feel free to take this theory with a grain of salt!)
I did some research a few months ago about the owners of Jungle Jim's when I was researching this case, and as I recall, they were not the most law-abiding bunch of people. I think it's possible that Dail was a victim of sex-trafficking ring. Think about it: she was young and pretty, and looked much younger than her years--she could have easily passed for a teen. The bartender could have even been acting as a spotter, you know? There might have been someone else working in the club who actually abducted her. The unfortunate thing about this theory, however, is that if it's true, finding her will be next to impossible--she'll never resurface. She's either deceased, or...God knows what. Even if this scenario doesn't apply to Dail's case, think about the many other women who have disappeared while out at night spots, etc. Trafficking of women is a very real problem, and I don't think it's just a second or third world kind of thing. And who knows--the police could even be in on it.
But like I said, take this theory with a grain of salt. It's just curious that NOTHING has resurfaced after this many years.
eeyorelrn
07-15-2009, 01:33 AM
I will admit, it is an extremely interesting theory; but for what its worth, having acutally known several of the bar owners in the 5 Points area, they are generally more worried about getting all the college kids in and getting their money versus being a part of a international sex slave trafficking conspiracy. I will admit, several of the owners of our local bars (Jungle Jim's included, although I don't know them personally, just what I have heard from mutual friends in the past) aren't the most law abiding people, but being part of an international sex slave trade route is not necessarily something I would seeing them having the cojones to actually do. Also, there probably would have been major outcries from the Univ. of South Carolina student body and faculty if female students started turning up missing and the local news stations weren't covering it like fire on coals (heck, we can't even get them to stop with the continous coverage on our illustriously quack of a Governor and his globe trotting escapades)- these guys here LOVE to smack the face of hypocracy in local govenrment.
But like I said, it IS an extremely facinating theory. Much better than one of the guys I used to go to church with, who swore on the bible that she ran away with Bono from U2 after the concert. (His elevator doesn't always leave the bacement if you cat my drift.)
eeyorelrn
08-20-2009, 03:11 AM
Bumping for Dail
docwho3
08-20-2009, 07:19 AM
I found this UID with a pic that seems to look similar to the pic in one of the links posted earlier and when I did the math and the possible age ranges the match is still possible. Also the LL bean brand figured in both cases so I wonder.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html
compared to
http://www.kristenfoundation.org/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=hw&report=sp&ID=027
Besides the brand name figuring in both cases, I noticed the upper age range for the UID was 46 and if it was the same person DW's age would have been about 37. The UID also had info in the system to ID her but it was found that all that info was fake. Perhaps she had run away years before? She (the UID) had told officers that she was from a southern state & had falsely listed Kentucky instead of South Carolina.
Maybe these are two totally different people but I think the pics are at least similar and those other details caught my attention so I posted.
Whatever the result I hope she is found someday.
eeyorelrn
08-25-2009, 03:14 AM
I found this UID with a pic that seems to look similar to the pic in one of the links posted earlier and when I did the math and the possible age ranges the match is still possible. Also the LL bean brand figured in both cases so I wonder.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/593ufca.html
compared to
http://www.kristenfoundation.org/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=hw&report=sp&ID=027
Besides the brand name figuring in both cases, I noticed the upper age range for the UID was 46 and if it was the same person DW's age would have been about 37. The UID also had info in the system to ID her but it was found that all that info was fake. Perhaps she had run away years before? She (the UID) had told officers that she was from a southern state & had falsely listed Kentucky instead of South Carolina.
Maybe these are two totally different people but I think the pics are at least similar and those other details caught my attention so I posted.
Whatever the result I hope she is found someday.
Unfortunately, there is an EXTREMELY large gap in the UID's height (69in) and Dail's height (60in). Plus, the nose on the UID appears to be slanted in a more upwardly direction, while Dail's is slanted in a more downwardly direction. IMHO, at least, I don't think it is a match.
But I do share your hope that Dail is found someday. Next week will be the 17th anniversary of Dail's disappearence... To me, that is too long for her family to go without knowing what happened or where she is. Praying that someone speaks and solves this case.
eeyorelrn
08-25-2009, 03:36 AM
We are fast approaching the 17th anniversary of Dail's disappearence, and still no news on Dail. There are so many questions that remain- What happened that night after leaving Jungle Jim's? Who could have taken this young girl away from her family? Where is Dail today? Hopefully this will be the year that someone finally speaks, and brings Dail's family some kind of acutal closure.
docwho3
08-25-2009, 09:16 AM
Unfortunately, there is an EXTREMELY large gap in the UID's height (69in) and Dail's height (60in). . .
I noticed the number difference in height but I also notice that the number 9 and the number 0 are next to each other on a keyboard and so I have to wonder, given all the other similarities in the two cases, if some sort of typo could have taken place, either in the original data or in the copying to various websites. If the height difference in numbers had been 5 foot vs 5 foot 7 inches or say 60" and 65" I would have more confidence in the height discrepancy.
As to a slight nose difference: There was a large time gap between the two pics so I am thinking there might be some differences, both in slight physical changes & also there might be some difference in camera type and angle of the face when photographed. To my eyes the differences were slight enough to not entirely preclude a match.
eeyorelrn
08-26-2009, 04:11 AM
I think a typo is less likely. If you go back and look at the information on the websites, you will see that the UID is actually listed as 5'9". I just converted it to inches, which would be 69 in, since that is what they have Dail's height listed in (60 in). I can see where they do have similar features, but there is SOMETHING (I am not quite sure what exactly) that is off when you put the 2 pictures side by side, and about the same size, that is off enough it screams NO in my head.....
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
This is another link to a page with information on Dail, and an additional picture for you to see and compare. There is just SOMETHING that says No to me. I wish I could figure out WHAT it is that is making my spidey scenses all tingly.
docwho3
08-26-2009, 05:56 AM
I think a typo is less likely. If you go back and look at the information on the websites, you will see that the UID is actually listed as 5'9". I just converted it to inches, which would be 69 in, since that is what they have Dail's height listed in (60 in).. . .
Whether you type it in as 5' 9" or 69" the 9 is still next to the 0 on the keyboard and both the number 69 and 5' 9" have that number nine used, so it could have originally been a zero in either case or the other way around. The height listed as 60" could have been originally 69. (Although I figured the family or relations might have spoken up if Dail's height was incorrect on websites.)
There is still another possibility that I have not mentioned before now becuase it is much less likely in my opinion but there might have been a gland malfunction that cause unusual growth in those years & thus both numbers could be correct.
To me, there are enough similarities to warrant a closer look by those with the means to double check things. I keep thinking of another UID case I recently read (wish I could remember which one it was so I could link it) here on websleuths that said the right match was submitted and ruled out 4 times before DNA finally proved it to be correct. And I know of other cases where an UID was listed in a very incorrect age range which further delayed the identification. Such cases have lead me to take with a large grain of salt the absoluteness of info about UIDs and so when enough data matches a UID to a missing person case I tend to sit up and take notice.
As for your "spidey sense", I have no idea what might be setting off your feelings. For all I know you may well be right . . . . . .but I figure this person has stayed missing for so many years for one of only a handfull of possible reasons:
1.She may have runaway and never been found and is alive.
2. She may have run away and later died and been buried under another name if the false ID was not discovered.
3. She may have been a victim of foul play and been disposed of in such a way or in such a place that no remains have yet been found.
4. Whether runaway or victim she may have died and the remains found but failed to be ID'd for some reason.
(There are more possibilities but the list is not an endless list and the number of possibilities is not all that large.)
However if the case is one of those kind not yet identified after all this time even with people on the web constantly looking over UIDs and comparing them to missing persons then it might be due to an error of some sort that is causing the true match to appear unlikely.
If Dail's case were not very old I would not be looking for such extraordinary possibilities.
Of course she may be alive and well somewhere for all I know. I am only trying to look at all possible solutions of the case so no stone gets left unturned.
eeyorelrn
08-29-2009, 04:14 AM
With the recent news in the Jaycee Dunger case, it gives that little part of your heart that wishes that Dail was just gone of her own accord or will be rescued from some pychopath's clutches a major twinge of hope... We can only pray that the day will come soon where Dail will be back home, no matter how or why.
SC-Dail Dinwiddie - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
docwho3
08-29-2009, 04:57 AM
With the recent news in the Jaycee Dunger case, it gives that little part of your heart that wishes that Dail was just gone of her own accord or will be rescued from some pychopath's clutches a major twinge of hope... We can only pray that the day will come soon where Dail will be back home, no matter how or why.
SC-Dail Dinwiddie - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12425)
Nice post.
eeyorelrn
09-09-2009, 05:16 AM
Bumping for Dail.... Come home soon!!!
eeyorelrn
10-10-2009, 04:34 AM
Bumping for Dail.... 18 years later, we still want answers....
eeyorelrn
10-10-2009, 04:35 AM
Bumping for Dail... 17 years later, waiting for answers.
theforgotten
10-27-2009, 07:39 PM
I was a teenager when Dail went missing and recall hearing about the case on tv. I found the case to be so scary, because she wasn't that much older than me. I can't believe that it's been 17 years. Her family needs answers. Where ever you are Dail, I hope your okay.
s_finch
12-03-2009, 09:59 PM
Bumping for Dail
theforgotten
01-27-2010, 04:27 PM
Bumping for Dale....
Aphra
01-28-2010, 06:19 PM
I know this is unlikely, since Dail's DNA is in CODIS (as is this Doe's) and it's probably already been compared (although Dail's profile didn't get entered until 2006ish and who knows when this Doe was put into CODIS). I'm ignoring the slight age difference (Jane Doe's oldest estimated age is about 4 years younger than Dail) because Dail looked really really young.
http://www.doenetwork.org (http://www.doenetwork.org/) Case File 148UFAL.
Unidentified White Female
Located on October 16, 1997 in Huntsville, Madison County, Alabama
The victim is believed to have been deceased for a period of up to 1 - 1 1/2 years before discovery.
Cause of Death: Homicide
Skeletal Remains
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Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 15 - 19 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10"- 5'1" (147-155 cm)
Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder length dark blond or light brown hair with a possible reddish tint. Her eye color and weight couldn't be determined.
Clothing: She may have been wearing a white with blue broad stripes casual, sleeveless top, size unknown, which was found near the skeletal remains outside of the plastic sheeting. No jewelry was recovered.
Dentals: Up until 1-1 and 1/2 years before her death she had excellent dental care with several fillings. Her right front tooth was chipped after her remains were recovered. Dental records are available.
DNA: Available in CODIS
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Case History
On October 16, 1997, a hunter discovered the skeletal remains of this unidentified child in a remote wooded area of Madison County, Alabama, near Indian Creek Road, South of Kelly Spring Road. Indian Creek Road is near a major roadway - Alabama Highway 53. The highway is a connector that runs between Huntsville, Alabama and Interstate 65 in Ardmore, Tenn.
It is possible the killer came from another state and chose the location at random.
The body was wrapped in plastic sheeting commonly used in construction. The plastic was secured with gray duct tape.
Investigators believe that sometime in late 1996, the nude body of the teenaged girl was dumped in Madison County's Indian Creek.
The body drifted down the creek, and washed onto the bank. It was found by a hunter.
s_finch
04-17-2010, 07:53 PM
Bumping for Dale
theforgotten
06-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Dail has been missing for too long. Her family needs answers.
s_finch
08-18-2010, 02:33 AM
Bumping for Dail
This month will mark 18 years since Dail went missing. Come home soon.
Texas Mist
12-18-2010, 03:46 AM
A video segment about missing Columbia woman Dail Dinwiddie has been posted on a CNN blog.
The family of Dail Dinwiddie traveled to New York earlier this month to tape an interview for the Parker Spitzer television show. Their segment never aired on the national political talk show featuring former Columbia resident and Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper columnist Kathleen Parker.
more here -
http://www.thestate.com/2010/12/17/1610886/segment-on-dinwiddie-on-cnn-blog.html
and here
http://parkerspitzer.blogs.cnn.com/category/dail-dinwiddie/
and here
http://www.thestate.com/2010/12/01/1585189/family-hopes-tv-show-spurs-new.html
Kimster
12-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Dail is our Featured Cold Case on the front page of Websleuths for December 19th to December 25th, 2010.
s_finch
12-20-2010, 11:32 PM
Thank you for featuring Dail. Her disappearance is what lead me to websleuths many years ago. Such a sad case.
Wagara
12-25-2010, 08:06 PM
Being from SC, I think of Dail often. I'm glad to have found a reputable page to check on her status. I hope there is a resolution to this mystery one day for her family's sake.
eeyorelrn
12-26-2010, 01:53 AM
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13731430
Woman who disappeared 18 years ago remembered through Christmas tree
By Taylor Kearns
COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - The case of Dail Dinwiddie has become one South Carolina's most famous mysteries. She disappeared from Columbia's Five Points 18 years ago after a night out with friends.
Her parents have never given up hope, and neither has the community. That hope is for all to see on Devine Street, in front of the Columbia fire station.
shefner
12-26-2010, 02:07 AM
Praying for Dinwiddie and her family....may God grant them peace...
s_finch
01-30-2011, 12:11 AM
Bumping for Dail
Firefly75
02-18-2011, 03:53 PM
Bumping for Dail. It's been too long. I hope she is found safe, and soon.
SCWldneart
06-01-2011, 10:41 PM
Hardly a day goes by that I don't think about Dail with the beautiful dimples. My oldest daughter is the same age as Dail and also attended the concert that night, so this has always hit close to home for me. My thoughts and prayers are forever with her family.
Josephus
10-25-2011, 11:55 AM
Hello fellow websleuthers, I'm a long time reader and this is my first post.
Does anyone think there could be a possible connection between this case and that of Morgan Dana Harrington?
Similarities:
Both abducted the night of a major concert at a college stadium or arena.
Both got separated from there friends.
Both were last seen walking down the street away from bar/concert.
Coincidences:
Dail was studying art history.
Morgan Dana Harrington's body was hidden in Anchorage farms which is known to have some sort of art festivals from time to time. In fact her body may have been in that field lying there for up to a week while an art festival was going on a couple of hundred yards away.
Could this be the same perpetrator? If so, could this be a serial killer who started in the nineties and still active today? His MO would be the same: picking up young inebriated girls walking home after a major concert or sporting event. Could this person have ties to both Columbia, SC and Charlottesville, VA. I had a hard time finding any information on any extensive searches done to find Dail Dinwiddie (not that there wasn't any, I just don't know the locations searched)
Does anyone know if any large farms in the area of Columbia, SC were searched? Can anyone rule out the possibility of these cases being related.
TIA.
Aphra
10-25-2011, 08:08 PM
There are definitely similarities. I would like to know if there are any cases in the 17 years between Dail's and Morgan's disappearances that are under the same circumstances--missing from a concert/bar scene.
eileenhawkeye
01-08-2012, 07:35 PM
Through my college's newspaper archive database, I was able to find information on Dail's case that I didn't see posted here:
1. I was able to find the names of two friends who were at Jungle Jim's that night: Tim Hagood and Johnston Cox
2. The bouncer's name was Jeff Peterman
3. Peterman said that Dail didn't appear to be drunk or high. She was drinking a beer, but talking coherently. He asked her if she needed a cab, and she said no. She said that she was waiting for her friends to come back. She walked down the street to look for them, than came back to the bar, and then left again.
4. In 1993, Columbia police announced that they believe Dail left the club in the car of someone she was familiar with.
5. Interesting Connection: Dail had babysat for Kathleen Parker's son when she disappeared. Kathleen went on to become a co-host on CNN's Parker Spitzer.
Young women who have gone missing from clubs:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/booth_kristy.html
Kristy Booth
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/beard_rebecca.html
Rebecca Beard
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/webb_darlene.html
Darlene Webb
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bishop_elizabeth.html
Elizabeth Bishop
theforgotten
03-18-2012, 10:49 AM
[QUOTE=eileenhawkeye;7497575]Through my college's newspaper archive database, I was able to find information on Dail's case that I didn't see posted here:
5. Interesting Connection: Dail had babysat for Kathleen Parker's son when she disappeared. Kathleen went on to become a co-host on CNN's Parker Spitzer.
Wow, that it is an interesting connection.
WIS-TV out of Columbia, SC posted a story a few days ago about Dail's disappearance:
Where is Dail Dinwiddie? Revisiting a 20-year-old case (http://www.wistv.com/story/18298946/where-is-dail-dinwiddie-revisiting-a-20-year-old-case)
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Dail's picture, for instance, is now included on playing cards distributed to prison inmates in hopes that maybe one of them might know or hear something. Something, anything, that could close the case that was, 15 years ago, the city's oldest unsolved missing persons investigation.
"They say that losing a child or not being able to find a child is probably one of the most difficult things in life," said Jean. "And I'm sure that's true. But think how sad it is for the child not to be able to find her parents."
Shortly before we spoke with the Dinwiddies, they marked what would have been, or might have been, Dail's 43rd birthday. It's always a difficult time of year for the Dinwiddies.
scmom
06-13-2012, 01:57 PM
Here's a wild shot I found today. Very little information but this girl was found in SC and approximates Dail's physical characteristics. There is a DNA profile though and only one listed exclusion.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/605
Homey
08-13-2012, 06:06 PM
http://www.wistv.com/story/19248637/age-progression-photo-to-show-older-dail-dinwiddie
clayangel
08-13-2012, 06:10 PM
I came over to share the news of the age progression photo. Good to know so many already care. I think about that young lady so often and I hold out hope shes found alive one day.
smokey
08-13-2012, 07:00 PM
Parents, Police Hope New Photo Will Help Solve Dinwiddie Disappearance 20 Years Ago
http://www2.wspa.com/news/2012/aug/13/parents-police-hope-new-photo-will-help-solve-dinw-ar-4333736/
Swamp Fox Trot
08-14-2012, 06:35 PM
The State also just ran a story: http://www.thestate.com/2012/08/13/2398885/dail-dinwiddie-what-missing-woman.html
Aphra
09-24-2012, 07:29 PM
Today marks the 20th anniversary of Dail Dinwiddie's disappearance. I hope that she finds her way home someday soon.
KDOGG
09-27-2012, 04:26 PM
http://www.theitem.com/opinion/whatever-happened-to-dail-dinwiddie/article_82b1c986-c1b0-5ef2-89c2-79c68ad4b307.html
came across this article today & decided to check WS for a thread on dail. ive lived in columbia, sc all my life & remember seeing all the posters (i even think there were bumper stickers) of her all over the place. cant believe shes never been found. anyway, i just got done reading thru all 8 pages of this thread. the comments someone copy/pasted from 'Donnieatlex' are quite eerie. makes me think theres some truth in what hes saying & this is all some sort of cover up. i cant understand how people just go missing....for this long....without a trace. it never really crossed my mind that the police/LE may be covering all this up & know exactly what happened. i guess thats logical....im sure crooked cops exist more then we know. nonetheless, this is a sad case & hopefully something will be uncovered sooner rather then later.
AnonymousD
02-23-2013, 11:06 PM
Here's a wild shot I found today. Very little information but this girl was found in SC and approximates Dail's physical characteristics. There is a DNA profile though and only one listed exclusion.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/605
I just sent this in. I don't see where Dail has been excluded, so I assume it wasn't sent in before?
AnonymousD
02-23-2013, 11:08 PM
http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2012/08/13/15/45/O95Ot.AuSt.74.jpg
raine1212
02-23-2013, 11:31 PM
Abbeville is only about 45 mins. from me I will see if I can find out any info on Monday.
AnonymousD
02-24-2013, 03:44 PM
It also appears one of the guys that was with Dail that night is now a lawyer.
AnonymousD
02-25-2013, 03:33 PM
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-09-25/opinions/35498049_1_disappearance-dail-dinwiddie-south-carolina
Written by Kathleen Parker, mother of the young boy Dail babysat.
neverletgo
04-05-2013, 03:56 PM
:bump: for Dail. :beats:
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