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Soulscape
01-04-2011, 02:28 PM
This child was allegedly Last Seen by her Mother's Boyfriend at approx. 3:15 pm on Monday, 12/27/2010 in Colorado City, TX.

Just a very quick glance at the chart causes me to fear the worst. This little girl is dead, raped and murdered.

100:51 W
32:23 N
TZ 6 (CST)
Colorado City, TX

ASC 29:45 Taurus
SUN 06:00 Capricorn
MOO 02:08 Libra
=================


29 Taurus rises, thus ALCYONE the Weeping Sisters rises, and ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens hovers ominously above the ASCENDANT in the 12th House of Misfortune, Sorrow and Woe.

Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) sits in the unfortunate 6th House of the chart at 19 Scorpio -- the exact degree of SERPENTIS, the cursed degree of the cursed sign.

VENUS separates from sextile (opportunity) to MARS Lord 7 the Perp.

MARS in Capricorn suggests a man, perhaps age 25-40, rather than a young teen boy. MARS the Perp is sesquisquare the ASCENDANT (Hailey), suggesting possibly an uncomfortable relationship. That there actually is a relationship between Hailey and the Perp is suggested by the fact Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) is in the sign and triplicity of MARS Lord 7 the Perp, while MARS the Perp is in the triplicity of Lord 1 VENUS. MARS the Perp squares SATURN, closely, and applying, suggesting the Perp is cruel, perhaps brutal.

SUN the Event in 8th House of Death just past exact conjunction with PLUTO (rape/death). The Event is based on something to do with the House with Leo on the cusp, here the 4th House, a House of Endings and specifically the End of the Matter.

Part of DEATH 22 Leo, the degree of being one's own worst enemy, as well as 22 of any sign being the 'kill or be killed' degree according to Serbian Astrologer Nikola Stojanovic.

MOON is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES) foretelling a catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality, and exactly square them. Also, MOON squares SUN conjunct PLUTO. The action (MOON) occurred in the near neighborhood (Cancer on 3rd House cusp).

MOON opposes JUPITER Lord 8 of Death. It is a MOON Day, JUPITER Hour...


Arabic Part Analysis (partial):

MURDER1 18 Leo squares VENUS Lord 1 (Hailey)

RAPE1 00 Pisces inconjuncts MOON

RAPE2 29:44 Scorpio trines URANUS conj. JUPITER, sextiles the MOON (easy, sudden opportunity) and partile conjuncts DESCENDANT 7th House Cusp within 1 minute of Arc. 7th House Cusp symbolizes the Perp, and with RAPE2 partile conjunct, the motivation.

With Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) at SERPENTIS 19 Scorpio, amongst the many other dire testimonies, I highly doubt the poor child is still with us.

A chart comparison to Hailey's natal (sunrise) and Secondary Progressed charts shows MARS the Perp partile opposed her natal MOON, and transit ASCENDANT opposed her natal PLUTO.

The Event Chart MIDHEAVEN 11 Aquarius is partile inconjunct Hailey's natal MERCURY 11 Virgo RX, ruler of her natal SUN.

Additionally Event Chart Lord 8 of Death JUPITER conjuncts Hailey's Secondary Progressed MOON.

Charts will be supplied this evening...

In the meantime, if anyone can provide the Mother's BF's birth data, I would appreciate it. We will not be posting the charts of anyone not noted in the mainstream news as being interrogated/a POI/or Suspect.
As with all cases, we start with those closest to the missing person, person(s) who last saw them and work our way out.



Sadly,
Soulscape

Soulscape
01-04-2011, 10:14 PM
This is the chart of the alleged last sighting of 13 year old Hailey Dunn, Colorado City, Texas.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HaileyDunnLastSeensmall.jpg





My commentary regarding this Last Seen chart is above.


I also note that in this chart, MARS the Perp (Lord 7) is Out of Bounds. This suggests the Perp was 'out of control' and since MARS squares SATURN, close and applying, we fear the Perp was particularly cruel and aggressive, perhaps brutal.

Unfortunately, Event MARS (15 Capricorn) partile opposes Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position) with Event SATURN squaring natal MOON's position, and, as mentioned previously, Event JUPITER Lord 8 of Death conjuncts Hailey's secondary progressed MOON.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-05-2011, 12:59 AM
For those who have not had the chance to see this, an Interview with Hailey's mom and dad:

http://www.cnn.com/video/

marlame
01-05-2011, 06:08 AM
shortened
This child was allegedly Last Seen by her Mother's Boyfriend at approx. 3:15 pm on Monday, 12/27/2010 in Colorado City, TX.

Just a very quick glance at the chart causes me to fear the worst. This little girl is dead, raped and murdered.

100:51 W
32:23 N
TZ 6 (CST)
Colorado City, TX

ASC 29:45 Taurus
SUN 06:00 Capricorn
MOO 02:08 Libra
=================

In the meantime, if anyone can provide the Mother's BF's birth data, I would appreciate it. We will not be posting the charts of anyone not noted in the mainstream news as being interrogated/a POI/or Suspect.
As with all cases, we start with those closest to the missing person, person(s) who last saw them and work our way out.



Sadly,
Soulscape

Hi Soulscape, the Mother's BF myspace page says he is 25 yrs old and his age was confirmed by a local person posting on the Missing Persons thread. I did a little searching and have found a birthdate of 6/30/85 for the Mother's BF. I found the DOB by searching Taylor County court records. The address for him listed DUNN, TX, which is pretty close to Colorado City, TX-- about 12miles. If we can confirm his middle name is Casey this should be accurate. I will see if I can verify this. If anyone else would like to check with a few locals that would be great.

Cztgz, Redcat, mommajack, 40G!GZ7, ajk and spankysmom are verified locals
per TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
see post #1.

I hope this helps...

Marla

Soulscape
01-05-2011, 10:31 AM
Hi Soulscape, the Mother's BF myspace page says he is 25 yrs old and his age was confirmed by a local person posting on the Missing Persons thread. I did a little searching and have found a birthdate of 6/30/85 for the Mother's BF. I found the DOB by searching Taylor County court records. The address for him listed DUNN, TX, which is pretty close to Colorado City, TX-- about 12miles. If we can confirm his middle name is Casey this should be accurate. I will see if I can verify this. If anyone else would like to check with a few locals that would be great.

Cztgz, Redcat, mommajack, 40G!GZ7, ajk and spankysmom are verified locals
per TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124421)
see post #1.

I hope this helps...

Marla


Thank you very much for researching this, Marla. I will wait for confirmation on the DOB.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
01-05-2011, 03:30 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html


Hailey Dunn's Home Being Searched; Polygraph Has Been Administered To Boyfriend


By Merlin Mann, KTXS News
POSTED: 12:54 pm CST January 5, 2011

Officials confirmed Wednesday that Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Hailey’s mother, has been administered a polygraph test. He was reportedly the last person who saw Hailey before she disappeared on Dec. 27.

Officials also confirmed that Hailey’s home is being searched Wednesday for any clues that may have been missed earlier.

Soulscape
01-05-2011, 04:35 PM
According to a news article forwarded to me, SA was escorted into the Colorado City law enforcement center to take a polygraph test this morning at 10:45 am.

I will post the 10:45 am chart & comments this evening.

I am still hoping we may be able to confirm SA's date of birth and thank any & all who are trying to do so for us.

Thanks,
Soulscape

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:48 PM
glad to see you already have the 10:45 poly time Soul... was just coming here to post it.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:51 PM
search of wooded area

Searchers from Texas Department of Criminal Justice Wallace/Ware units were out on horseback and foot today looking for possible clues to the disappearance of Hailey Dunn.

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/searchers-check-wooded-areas-town

Leomoon80
01-05-2011, 05:27 PM
http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/04/hed-help-herey-hed-help-herey/

On Friday, bloodhounds were taken to the six motels in Colorado City. At Western Suites, which is located at 2233 Vine Street and is adjacent to Interstate 20 and near the Dunn home, the dogs picked up on Dunn’s scent in the parking lot, City Manager Pete Kampfer said Tuesday night.

The scent led to a door of a ground-floor room at the two-level motel that opened in July, he said, but there the trail stopped. A search of the 24 suites produced no other evidence, he said.

Cristie Roye, manager of Western Suites, said police studied surveillance tapes but did not see the missing teen. Motel staff, she said, did not recall seeing the teenager, either.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:31 PM
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/dw.htm

there are two prisons in colorado city texas the wallace unit and the ware unit... this is where part of the search was starting at today... near this area...

per the link I posted above

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 06:57 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

marlame
01-05-2011, 07:53 PM
According to a news article forwarded to me, SA was escorted into the Colorado City law enforcement center to take a polygraph test this morning at 10:45 am.

I will post the 10:45 am chart & comments this evening.

I am still hoping we may be able to confirm SA's date of birth and thank any & all who are trying to do so for us.

Thanks,
Soulscape

6/30/85 looks to be his DOB. I PM'd Chili Fries who who in an earlier thread on main page confirmed his name his name as Shawn C. Adkins. She said Casey as his middle name and Dunn, Tx was correct. Good luck and thank you for sharing your gift!

Marla

FifthEssence
01-05-2011, 09:38 PM
6/30/85 looks to be his DOB. I PM'd Chili Fries who who in an earlier thread on main page confirmed his name his name as Shawn C. Adkins. She said Casey as his middle name and Dunn, Tx was correct. Good luck and thank you for sharing your gift!

Marla



We need a documented source (a link will do) for DATE of BIRTH and some kind of confirmation we have the right party.
I found 4 different ones in TX alone ranging in age from 25-33. I found a site with a person who looks like him, indicating he was a Virgo with a page named ShawnBoy from 2007.

Leomoon80
01-05-2011, 10:06 PM
I'm wondering WHY the 3PM (last seen) chart looks so terrible, beyond the fact that she disappeared after 3:15 supposedly?
The ASC for the 3PM is conj. "Algol" near 26 Taurus (at 25.24deg.)
and the 2nd house telling us what is coming, has Hades (29th degree Gem) and Kronos 5Cancer both Rx)

There cannot have been much time between the ambush and the killing from these timetables with the planets or asteroids that I can see:

Hailey’s natal Venus conjuncts the 6th house ZEUS and Saturn and of course her natal Venus is
Greatly afflicted by it’s connection to fixed star Algorab and her Sun in Virgo conjuncts the cusp of 5th house of children in the Event chart (3PM) with Hopi (ambushed) in this house conj. Juno with the Moon here at the 2nd degree 00 minutes at 3PM which is within 40some minutes to forming a square to the North Node (fate) and Pluto (death ) in the 8th conjunct “Lachesis” choosing the time of her death with Mercury in the 7th the ruler of the 5th and ruler of Hailey’s Sun.

By 3:15 the chart changes slightly, putting the MC at 11Aquarius –and conjuncts Fixed Star “Armus” very unstable behaviors known when Armus is in the map. Lies and instability are hallmarks of Armus.
Persophone is located in the event charts in the 12th where we might expect, with an abuction in the hidden house.

3PM:

With ASELLUS BOREALIS (in this event chart, the Asses are below the horizon, so opposite the MC)
Or the I/C 4th house cusp at 7.57Leo:
In astrology they were portents of violent death to such as came under their influence;
Aselli culminating: (the MC) is opposite the (IC) or location Disgrace and ruin, often violent death. [Robson*, p.142.
Aselli Sun: Blows, stabs (operations) serious accidents, shooting, shipwreck, beheading, hanging, murderer or murdered, violent fevers, danger of fire, disgrace and imprisonment. [Robson*, p.142.]

Soulscape
01-05-2011, 11:17 PM
Of the 12 signs of the Zodiac, Pisces is most associated with lies, delusion and deceit. Seeing this sign on the ASCENDANT of the Polygraph chart could make a forensic Astrologer go 'Hmmmmm.'

As many of you know, Pisces is considered a double-bodied sign and is represented by two fish swimming in opposite directions. The sign is co-ruled by JUPITER (traditional ruler) and NEPTUNE (modern ruler). While JUPITER is often associated with truth and justice, NEPTUNE symbolizes lies, deceit, illusion, smoke & mirrors.

So what are we looking at here, truth or lies? Our first clue, the Rising Sign, leaves us scratching our collective heads & wondering which way is up.


http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/Polygraph.gif




As we continue our examination, the polygraph chart becomes more interesting. Pisces (deceit, lies) rises, and the Arabic Part of DECEIT , 09 Sagittarius, closely squares the ASCENDANT (SA). This makes me wonder if SA is lying.

The testimony 3rd House has a critical degree on its cusp --- 21 Fixed ---showing just how critical SA's testimony may be to this case. But why does the 3rd House of Testimony also contain ADMETOS, a death marker, ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens,and MURDER1,all close opposed Lord 3 of Testimony VENUS, which itself is partile conjunct the Arabic Part of DEATH, 28 Scorpio?

[Recall VENUS = Hailey in Last Seen. In this Polygraph chart, VENUS is Lord 8 of Death as well as Lord 3 of Testimony, as well as the natural significator of a young girl.]

Now in fairness, these placements could mean nothing more than SA's testimony (3rd House matter) is critical (21 Fixed on cusp) to the investigation, and that the polygraph (3rd House matter) itself is given to SA in the hopes of ascertaining whether the missing child is dead or alive (among other things).

But let's continue...

Lord 3 of Testimony VENUS trines Lord 1 JUPITER (SA), suggesting truth while co-Lord 1 NEPTUNE (SA) squares VENUS (testimony) suggesting lies.

Confused yet?

RAPE1 29:20 Aquarius conjuncts NEPTUNE Co-Lord 1 (SA) and squares VENUS (Lord 3, Lord 8, natural significator of a young girl and significator of Hailey in Last Seen chart). RAPE1 also partile squares the Last Seen ASCENDANT 29 Taurus....

The Part of FEMALE CHILD 06 Capricorn conjuncts PLUTO 05 Capricorn possibly suggesting destruction and/or rape/kidnapping, if not murder.

The End of the Matter Lord 4 is MERCURY (also the natural significator of testimony), here at 22 Sagittarius, the 'kill or be killed' degree, partile trine the Part of DEATH 22 Leo in the Last Seen chart. MERCURY as natural significator of testimony as well as Lord 4 End of the Matter squares JUPITER 27 Pisces (Lord 1 Shawn). This gives another suggestion of deceit.

Before MOON leaves her sign, she will conjunct NEPTUNE (lies in general, Co-Lord 1 SA) and square VENUS (testimony Lord 3, Lord 8 of Death, natural significator of a young girl, and the significator of Hailey in the Last Seen chart), partile conjunct the Arabic Part of DEATH at 28 Scorpio.

Asteroid evidence includes Asteroid HALLEY at 06 Capricorn conjunct the Part of the FEMALE CHILD and PLUTO, as well as Asteroid SHAWNA at 02 Cancer, in the same degree as the NODES, and partile square the MOON 02 Libra in the Last Seen Chart.

Is the chart simply mirroring that SA was in fact there, actually saw Haleigh leave her house at approx. 3:15 pm on 12/27/2010?

My overall sense is that the polygraph results are ambivalent and difficult to assess. There is likely some truth, some lies, and the challenge to authorities will be in deciphering which is which. End of the Matter Lord 4 MERCURY in the 'kill or be killed' 22nd degree of a double-bodied sign (talking out of both sides of the mouth) square Lord 1 JUPITER (SA) in another double-bodied sign (and the sign most associated with deceit and lies at that) certainly suggests to me that SA should be carefully looked at and perhaps questioned more than once.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-06-2011, 12:34 AM
I feel the same way, which way is it?
Putting the asteroid "Veritas" for Truth into the mix, brings Veritas appearance in the 2nd house with a mixed review I suppose.

It makes a Sesquare (domination or efforts expended? obstacles)
to the 22nd degree Mercury in the 10th and a Trine to Pluto
which happens to conjunct Pallas at 5 degrees (both of them) in Capricorn 10th house of the Polygraph examiner.

How should we see Veritas conjunct Hamal at 7 degrees Taurus 40minutes, as it would always be at this degree in this sign whatever and whoever is giving or getting a test right now.
It's a star associated with ruthlessness,brute force, but then again, it's a
"he said,she said" ruthless game being played here., and someone wants to win.

Ted Bundy often aced polygraph tests.

But all this Pisces and Neptune the chart ruler in the 12th could mean he still has the residue of the perscription drugs he takes, and it was a non-descript test.

Guess we'll need to wait and see.

Paulette
01-06-2011, 01:33 AM
Asteroid "Shawna" Rx to 29:50 Gemini, from 2 Cancer on 12/27, conjunct Hades Rx 29:25 Gemini for the poly today. Another asteroid "Sean" 21:27 Pisces, has come forward 2 degrees to meet the BML 21:24 Pisces.

Even "Lie" at 19:31 Scorpio has come forward to the degree of Venus 19:40 Scorpio in the Missing Chart, and trine the "Sean" position at 19:25 Pisces.

Considering all the charts with no clear cut indictment from the astrologers, I'm going to keep mum.

Paulette
01-06-2011, 01:58 AM
From the Missing forum by Patty G., post 605

"Hailey's brother David says that Adkins hasn't been seen since walking away from 3rd polygraph today. Claim is corroborated by 2 uncles.
8 minutes ago via Echofon

According to Hailey Dunn's uncle and brother David: mom's boyfriend Shawn Adkins refused to take three polygraphs today.
11 minutes ago via Echofon

The first tweet states "walking away from 3rd poly and the second states "refused to take three polys today"."

http://twitter.com/cbs7news


IMO, SA was asked three (3) times to take a poly and walked away from all three (3) of them for whatever reason.

Leomoon80
01-06-2011, 02:00 AM
Asteroid "Shawna" Rx to 29:50 Gemini, from 2 Cancer on 12/27, conjunct Hades Rx 29:25 Gemini for the poly today. Another asteroid "Sean" 21:27 Pisces, has come forward 2 degrees to meet the BML 21:24 Pisces.

Even "Lie" at 19:31 Scorpio has come forward to the degree of Venus 19:40 Scorpio in the Missing Chart, and trine the "Sean" position at 19:25 Pisces.

Considering all the charts with no clear cut indictment from the astrologers, I'm going to keep mum.

Keep up the asteroid search Paulette.

I forgot about inserting "LIE" and it falls in the "most accursed degree of the most accursed sign"

Good work.

Now, all we need is a confirmed date of birth and you may have your answer.

marlame
01-06-2011, 05:47 AM
We need a documented source (a link will do) for DATE of BIRTH and some kind of confirmation we have the right party.
I found 4 different ones in TX alone ranging in age from 25-33. I found a site with a person who looks like him, indicating he was a Virgo with a page named ShawnBoy from 2007.


Hi--Fifth I did see others in TX but Shawn Casey Adkins is the only one I found to be 25 years old. I did see the post where someone said SA was listed as a Virgo. I disregarded it because many kids put the wrong Birthdays down. (My teenage son’s actually informed me of this- LOL).
Here is SA’s MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/unconscious_mind85

Czgtz a close friend of Billie, Hailey’s mom, confirmed Shawn is 25 years old. Also, Chili Fries Prior to SA’s MySpace going Private said she saw his name was Shawn C. Adkins and confirmed he was 25 years old and born in 1985. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2

Beyond Belief posted states‘85 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2 and also PM’ed me with this info.

Also, See this post by a local that said he attended Snyder High School with her daughters Class of 2003: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2


Next I did a search on Intelius:
http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&qf=Christie&qmi=&qn=Adkins&qs=TX&trackit=74&focusfirst=1

Under Chrixxxxx B. A. I found Shawn Adkins listed as a relative. Chrxxxxx B. A. previous addresses listed are:

Big Spring, TX -- Current home of Shawn’s mom per Billie on Nancy Grace Tues night 1/3/11 show per Chili Fries post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #4
Coahoma, TX
Dunn, TX --Shawn Casey Adkins DOB 6/30/85 address in August 2010 Taylor County Court Records: http://69.39.36.76/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=16919630
Snyder, TX -- this is where Shawn went to HS.

A great map of the area was posted in Main Hailey Thread #4 by hollye on page 10 Post # 234: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...38409&t=h&z=15

And hollye comments about the TDCJ search here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #4
She said, “I belive that they are also looking at that area as it is heavily wooded and along a river. The primary road from SA's parents residence (I-20) crosses over the Colorado River near there and Business 20 runs along that area into Colorado City….”

Here is the link to the Taylor County Court Records: http://69.39.36.76/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=16919630
Defendant Adkins, Shawn Casey
cr cr 4132
DUNN, TX 79516
DL: TX07635492
Male White
DOB: 06/30/1985
6' 3" , 215 lbs

http://69.39.36.76/JailingSearchResults.aspx
Adkins, Shawn Casey
Booking #: 033236
Booked: 08/08/2010
Released: 08/08/2010

http://69.39.36.76/JailingDetail.aspx?JailingID=10243439
White Male 6' 3" 215 lbs
Hair Brown
Eyes Blue
SO # 102141
DL # TX-07635492
Address cr cr 4132
DUNN, TX 79516

Hopefully, this is what you were looking for regarding a documented source/link for DOB and confirmation we have the right party. If not, let me know and I will keep digging. Thanks!

Marla

Soulscape
01-06-2011, 07:10 AM
Marlame has gone to great lengths to verify SA's date of birth and from her research it certainly appears that 6/30/1985 is the correct date. Unless FifthEssence informs me differently, we will proceed.

Thank you, Marla, for your invaluable support and assistance.

Love,
Soulscape

Soulscape
01-06-2011, 07:18 AM
While waiting for FifthEssence to give me the go-ahead on posting what we believe is SA's chart, I want to share one startling discovery:

The 6/30/1985 chart we are looking at places the Asteroid TORO at 29:27 Taurus.

As most of you know, TORO symbolizes brute force/ brutality.

Chillingly, 29 Taurus is the exact degree of the Last Seen Ascendant, placing the 6/30/1985 person's TORO smack on it. Further, the pre-natal Solar Eclipse position for 6/30/1985 is one degree off, 28:50 Taurus.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Jenny60123
01-06-2011, 10:53 AM
While waiting for FifthEssence to give me the go-ahead on posting what we believe is SA's chart, I want to share one startling discovery:

The 6/30/1985 chart we are looking at places the Asteroid TORO at 29:27 Taurus.

As most of you know, TORO symbolizes brute force/ brutality.

Chillingly, 29 Taurus is the exact degree of the Last Seen Ascendant, placing the 6/30/1985 person's TORO smack on it. Further, the pre-natal Solar Eclipse position for 6/30/1985 is one degree off, 28:50 Taurus.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Dear God, not another one. Poor sweet girl. Close to my heart as I have a 13 year old Haylee at home myself. Sending love and prayer to Hailey and her family.

MD MOMMY
01-06-2011, 11:48 AM
You guys are simply amazing. I understand very little about how this is done but I've always loved astrology. Thanks for trying to simplify it for us as well!

FifthEssence
01-06-2011, 12:44 PM
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I think it best we HOLD OFF WITH POSTING chart info about a party(s) until we re-confirm certain details.


Thank you for your patience.

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Hopefully, LE will locate young HAILEY today.

nursebeeme
01-06-2011, 01:03 PM
Hailey Dunn's mother says a handful of people connected to her family were told by authorities that they failed polygraph tests that have been administered over the last few days.
Billie Dunn wasn't prepared to name names. However, she told KTAB's Priscilla Luong she and her family's frustration is beginning to mount.

According to Billie Dunn, her boyfriend Shawn Adkins did take a polygraph test. After the test, he did not return to the home he shares with Billie Dunn.

Sources tell KTAB News he is not in custody and authorities are aware of his whereabouts.http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456
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Leomoon80
01-06-2011, 01:07 PM
Sounds like the Kyron case and the person of interest there.
The LE waiting, perhaps to be led to the body. That's important, to find her body and the manner of her death.

:(

impatientredhead
01-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Marlame has gone to great lengths to verify SA's date of birth and from her research it certainly appears that 6/30/1985 is the correct date. Unless FifthEssence informs me differently, we will proceed.

Thank you, Marla, for your invaluable support and assistance.

Love,
Soulscape

I found his birth certificate in vital records, 06-30-85 is the correct date.

nursebeeme
01-06-2011, 08:55 PM
I found his birth certificate in vital records, 06-30-85 is the correct date. cannot wait to see what you all are seeing... truly...

nursebeeme
01-07-2011, 08:45 AM
According to Billie Dunn, she was questioned for 10-12 hours on Wednesday night after admittedly failing a polygraph test. Dunn explained the details of the polygraph testing on Thursday night's "Nancy Grace" broadcast.

Dunn also said that her boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, also failed his polygraph test. Since then, Adkins has left Colorado City and is now staying with his grandmother in West Texas. Dunn said she asked Adkins not to come back.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328866

Soulscape
01-07-2011, 10:08 AM
I found his birth certificate in vital records, 06-30-85 is the correct date.

Thank you so much, Impatientredhead. Does the certificate show TIME and PLACE of birth by any chance??

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
01-07-2011, 11:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

Several charts will be posted shortly beginning with Reported Missing.

**We will NOT be showing CHARTS of anyone other than Hailey for the time being until such time Administration allows us to move forward with charts of those whom have been heavily discussed and covered in the mainstream news outlets and TV programs.
Contact me if anyone has questions or isn't sure what is allowed.

I ask you DO NOT use legal names or initials regarding any MALE or FEMALE noted outside of HAILEY when responding to the chart findings.

Simply use 'Male xx' or 'Female xx' as this is how we will reference the parties we look at.

If and when LE announces someone is a POI, initials will of course be acceptable.


Thank you.


*Many thanks to all our helpful sleuths in bringing us confirmed dates and times. Your assistance is truly appreciated!

nursebeeme
01-07-2011, 12:43 PM
Additional searchers were brought in Thursday evening to canvass neighborhoods near Hailey Dunn's home, according to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs early Friday morning.

Members of the task force, as well as additional searchers, will re-canvass the neighborhoods on January 7, knocking on doors and re-interviewing people.

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/additional-searchers-brought

Soulscape
01-07-2011, 04:29 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

Several charts will be posted shortly beginning with Reported Missing.

**We will NOT be showing CHARTS of anyone other than Hailey for the time being until such time Administration allows us to move forward with charts of those whom have been heavily discussed and covered in the mainstream news outlets and TV programs.
Contact me if anyone has questions or isn't sure what is allowed.

I ask you DO NOT use legal names or initials regarding any MALE or FEMALE noted outside of HAILEY when responding to the chart findings.

Simply use 'Male xx' or 'Female xx' as this is how we will reference the parties we look at.

If and when LE announces someone is a POI, initials will of course be acceptable.


Thank you.


*Many thanks to all our helpful sleuths in bringing us confirmed dates and times. Your assistance is truly appreciated!






Hello All,

I apologize for the delay. I will post the Reported Missing chart this evening, with commentary.

Thank you for your patience,
Soulscape

Jenny60123
01-07-2011, 07:41 PM
Hello All,

I apologize for the delay. I will post the Reported Missing chart this evening, with commentary.

Thank you for your patience,
Soulscape

No need to apologize, but I appreciate the update just the same. The work you all do is amazing, and i'm sure time consuming. Take all the time you need. :)

Soulscape
01-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Key charts in a Missing Person case include the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING.

Both charts should tell a similar story and when they don't, it is a clue to the Astrologer that she or he should dig deeper. Often the discrepancy can be attributed to the fact (usually ascertained much later in the case) that the LAST SEEN is corrupted --- either because the time is misreported or because the person who claims to have last seen the victim is lying.

In the Hailey Dunn case, both the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING charts give the same sickening testimony.





http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/HaileyDunnReportedMissingwcallouts.gif





[Note: There is no need to insert the Mother, reporter of the Missing Person, into the chart. We can either take Lord 1 (VENUS) to represent Hailey or Lord 5 of Children, MERCURY. Actually, the testimony of one should support the other, and I will examine both.]


ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens, sits partile conjunct the ASCENDANT at 26 Taurus. ALGOL symbolizes 'losing one's head,' either literally or figuratively, and bodes no good news.

ASCENDANT Ruler Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, same as in the LAST SEEN chart, in detriment (in the sign opposite her rulership), and just 23 minutes past exact semisquare to PLUTO, co-Lord 7 the Perp and natural co-Lord of the 8th House of Death on the natural wheel (Aries Rising). VENUS (Hailey) is similarly semisquare SUN, and due to placement, sign and aspect, in bad condition.

The SUN symbolizes the Event. Here, at 07 Capricorn, it is posited in the 8th House of Death wedged between two malefics, PLUTO and MARS. The Event is based on something ruled by the House with Leo on its cusp, here, the 4th House. In addition to endings and the grave, the 4th House is the home and the sign Leo symbolizes children in general.

The MOON 16 Libra symbolizes the Action and like Lord 1 VENUS, is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, partile (in the same degree) conjunct SATURN, a death marker.

The Action (MOON) is based on something ruled by the House with Cancer on its cusp: here the 3rd House of the Near Neighborhood. The Arabic Part of DEATH 02:58 Leo in the 3rd House is parallel (acts as a conjunction) the ASCENDANT and is disposited by the SUN in the 8th House of Death. The Part of DEATH is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), confirming a tragedy/ catastrophe/ fatality. These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.

Note that the 3rd House Cusp degree, 15 Cancer, is conjunct the Arabic Part of TREACHERY 16 Cancer, and is the position of Hailey Dunn's natal MOON (sunrise position). In this Reported Missing chart, MOON last squared MARS (Lord 7 the Perp and Turned Lord 8 of Death of the 5th House Child) and next conjuncts SATURN. Also keep in mind that MARS 15 Capricorn partile opposes Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position).


*****

There would be good cause to consider MERCURY, Lord 5 of Children, as Hailey's marker as well. We see 07 Virgo on the 5th House of Children cusp and Hailey's natal SUN is posited at 05 Virgo.

In the Reported Missing Chart, MERCURY is Retrograde at 19 Sagittarius in the radix 7th House / Turned 3rd House of Near Neighborhood, close square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN (18 Virgo) and partile square her secondary progressed NODES (19 Virgo/Pisces). Because retrogradation suggests 'poor condition' / 'damaged' / 'returned in a damaged condition' and Fateful Degree placements indicate tragedy/catastrophe/fatality, we are getting more testimony that this case is not going to have a happy ending.

***I note that Asteroid SEAN is posited at 19:38 Pisces, the same degree and sign as Hailey's secondary progressed SOUTH NODE, and partile square MERCURY RX the 5th House Child 19 Sagittarius and close trine Lord 1 VENUS 20 Scorpio in the Reported Missing chart. FWIW, approx. twenty four hours earlier at the time of the alleged LAST SEEN, Asteroid SEAN was partile trine Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) conjunct SERPENTIS, both at 19 Scorpio, and closely square Lord 5 of Children MERCURY 20 Sagittarius RX. While Asteroid testimonies cannot in any way be considered an indictment of a certain male, they certainly strongly support the urgent need for further questioning.

Thanks,
Soulscape

passionflower
01-08-2011, 12:30 AM
respectully snipped from above post
These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.


Does anything show where she may be hidden????

Jenny60123
01-08-2011, 09:32 AM
Key charts in a Missing Person case include the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING.

Both charts should tell a similar story and when they don't, it is a clue to the Astrologer that she or he should dig deeper. Often the discrepancy can be attributed to the fact (usually ascertained much later in the case) that the LAST SEEN is corrupted --- either because the time is misreported or because the person who claims to have last seen the victim is lying.

In the Hailey Dunn case, both the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING charts give the same sickening testimony.





http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/HaileyDunnReportedMissingwcallouts.gif





[Note: There is no need to insert the Mother, reporter of the Missing Person, into the chart. We can either take Lord 1 (VENUS) to represent Hailey or Lord 5 of Children, MERCURY. Actually, the testimony of one should support the other, and I will examine both.]


ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens, sits partile conjunct the ASCENDANT at 26 Taurus. ALGOL symbolizes 'losing one's head,' either literally or figuratively, and bodes no good news.

ASCENDANT Ruler Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, same as in the LAST SEEN chart, in detriment (in the sign opposite her rulership), and just 23 minutes past exact semisquare to PLUTO, co-Lord 7 the Perp and natural co-Lord of the 8th House of Death on the natural wheel (Aries Rising). VENUS (Hailey) is similarly semisquare SUN, and due to placement, sign and aspect, in bad condition.

The SUN symbolizes the Event. Here, at 07 Capricorn, it is posited in the 8th House of Death wedged between two malefics, PLUTO and MARS. The Event is based on something ruled by the House with Leo on its cusp, here, the 4th House. In addition to endings and the grave, the 4th House is the home and the sign Leo symbolizes children in general.

The MOON 16 Libra symbolizes the Action and like Lord 1 VENUS, is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, partile (in the same degree) conjunct SATURN, a death marker.

The Action (MOON) is based on something ruled by the House with Cancer on its cusp: here the 3rd House of the Near Neighborhood. The Arabic Part of DEATH 02:58 Leo in the 3rd House is parallel (acts as a conjunction) the ASCENDANT and is disposited by the SUN in the 8th House of Death. The Part of DEATH is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), confirming a tragedy/ catastrophe/ fatality. These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.

Note that the 3rd House Cusp degree, 15 Cancer, is conjunct the Arabic Part of TREACHERY 16 Cancer, and is the position of Hailey Dunn's natal MOON (sunrise position). In this Reported Missing chart, MOON last squared MARS (Lord 7 the Perp and Turned Lord 8 of Death of the 5th House Child) and next conjuncts SATURN. Also keep in mind that MARS 15 Capricorn partile opposes Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position).


*****

There would be good cause to consider MERCURY, Lord 5 of Children, as Hailey's marker as well. We see 07 Virgo on the 5th House of Children cusp and Hailey's natal SUN is posited at 05 Virgo.

In the Reported Missing Chart, MERCURY is Retrograde at 19 Sagittarius in the radix 7th House / Turned 3rd House of Near Neighborhood, close square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN (18 Virgo) and partile square her secondary progressed NODES (19 Virgo/Pisces). Because retrogradation suggests 'poor condition' / 'damaged' / 'returned in a damaged condition' and Fateful Degree placements indicate tragedy/catastrophe/fatality, we are getting more testimony that this case is not going to have a happy ending.

***I note that Asteroid SEAN is posited at 19:38 Pisces, the same degree and sign as Hailey's secondary progressed SOUTH NODE, and partile square MERCURY RX the 5th House Child 19 Sagittarius and close trine Lord 1 VENUS 20 Scorpio in the Reported Missing chart. FWIW, approx. twenty four hours earlier at the time of the alleged LAST SEEN, Asteroid SEAN was partile trine Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) conjunct SERPENTIS, both at 19 Scorpio, and closely square Lord 5 of Children MERCURY 20 Sagittarius RX. While Asteroid testimonies cannot in any way be considered an indictment of a certain male, they certainly strongly support the urgent need for further questioning.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Is there anything that indicates that Hailey will be found? I hope that she is able to be brought home.

Soulscape
01-08-2011, 11:11 AM
respectully snipped from above post
These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.


Does anything show where she may be hidden????


Is there anything that indicates that Hailey will be found? I hope that she is able to be brought home.


In both the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts, Hailey is symbolized by VENUS, at 19 - 20 Scorpio, in the cadent 6th House. Cadent houses suggest 'hidden' and/or not easy to find.

The direction is NORTH (Scorpio) by WEST. (See Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology)

Scorpio suggests swamps, bleak stretches, drains, spots where vermin and reptiles breed, rubbish dumps, places of rot and stench, stagnant pools, tarpits and oil pools, locations subject to flooding, ruins near water and in general lowlands.

VENUS in Scorpio in the 6th House gives a cadent house with VENUS at North Latitude which according to Ivy gives a timing mechanism of 3 miles. If we multiply 3 miles times the difference in degrees between VENUS and MOON, we get 51 miles using the LAST SEEN and 12 miles using the REPORTED MISSING.

My own sense is that Hailey is more WEST than NORTH and the mileage is closer (12 miles) rather than farther (51 miles).

Please keep in mind this is speculative at best, although I certainly hope it can assist in her discovery.

Perhaps Tuba can comment on the newer method (Renee Francis method, brought to us by Butterfly some time ago), which may provide another, and possibly more accurate, way to determine where Hailey may be found.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba
01-08-2011, 02:00 PM
Yes, the Last Seen has problems. ABC has been consistent in reporting it as 3:15 p.m. and other media as 1:00 p.m. Therefore the report to law enforcement, though unfortunately a whole day from what happened to Hailey, is most reliable.

I had no knowledge of this case other than our having a thread named Hailey Dunn but reading about it now and studying the charts here, the official search appears to be just the place to look: the heavily wooded area near the river. That fits the map and compass direction also. I would extend over into Scurry County too. If we can obtain a time for the discovery of the knife holster and sunglasses, I would like to chart that for purposes of a yea or nay elimination.

mkay882
01-08-2011, 02:38 PM
In both the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts, Hailey is symbolized by VENUS, at 19 - 20 Scorpio, in the cadent 6th House. Cadent houses suggest 'hidden' and/or not easy to find.

The direction is NORTH (Scorpio) by WEST. (See Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology)

Scorpio suggests swamps, bleak stretches, drains, spots where vermin and reptiles breed, rubbish dumps, places of rot and stench, stagnant pools, tarpits and oil pools, locations subject to flooding, ruins near water and in general lowlands.

VENUS in Scorpio in the 6th House gives a cadent house with VENUS at North Latitude which according to Ivy gives a timing mechanism of 3 miles. If we multiply 3 miles times the difference in degrees between VENUS and MOON, we get 51 miles using the LAST SEEN and 12 miles using the REPORTED MISSING.

My own sense is that Hailey is more WEST than NORTH and the mileage is closer (12 miles) rather than farther (51 miles).
Please keep in mind this is speculative at best, although I certainly hope it can assist in her discovery.

Perhaps Tuba can comment on the newer method (Renee Francis method, brought to us by Butterfly some time ago), which may provide another, and possibly more accurate, way to determine where Hailey may be found.

Thanks,
Soulscape
Not to argue your direction. Just commenting on the "12 miles" you mentioned. Wow!
the small town approximately 12 miles north of Colorado City.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356

marlame
01-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Not to argue your direction. Just commenting on the "12 miles" you mentioned. Wow!
the small town approximately 12 miles north of Colorado City.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356

Thank you for pointing this out and providing the link! It is interesting to note that area is Dunn, TX.

nursebeeme
01-08-2011, 03:09 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356

Colorado City City Manager Pete Kampfer tells KTAB's Tiffany Tatro law enforcement will be focusing in on the town of Dunn Saturday after going door-to-door in Colorado City Friday.

Kampfer says a command post is being set up in the small town approximately 12 miles north of Colorado City.

Dunn is where searchers discovered oil field glasses and a knife sheath in a stream Friday evening. A volunteer searcher also told KTAB's Tiffany Tatro they discovered tire tracks leading to an empty field. The searcher said authorities were alerted.

marlame
01-08-2011, 03:47 PM
Yes, the Last Seen has problems. ABC has been consistent in reporting it as 3:15 p.m. and other media as 1:00 p.m. Therefore the report to law enforcement, though unfortunately a whole day from what happened to Hailey, is most reliable.

I had no knowledge of this case other than our having a thread named Hailey Dunn but reading about it now and studying the charts here, the official search appears to be just the place to look: the heavily wooded area near the river. That fits the map and compass direction also. I would extend over into Scurry County too. If we can obtain a time for the discovery of the knife holster and sunglasses, I would like to chart that for purposes of a yea or nay elimination.

Hi Tuba,

BBM--Below is a link to the time being found. Posted by Sailor Bug. This area is Dunn, TX.

"A member of a civilian search party found a pair of sunglasses and a knife-cover in a creek north of the city.
It was just after 4:00pm that Jenkins discovered the knife-cover floating in the water.
The creek is less than a mile away from a residence where Shawn Adkins is staying at this time."

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #8


Here is the CBS7 article she referenced: http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23252

--Marla

Soulscape
01-08-2011, 03:59 PM
Not to argue your direction. Just commenting on the "12 miles" you mentioned. Wow!
the small town approximately 12 miles north of Colorado City.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356


I wouldn't be surprised if Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson's instructions for locating the victim are correct.

Thanks so much for pointing this out,

Love,
Soulscape

Tuba
01-08-2011, 05:08 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/HollyJenkinsFindsKnifeSheathGlasses001.jpg

nursebeeme
01-08-2011, 06:23 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/HollyJenkinsFindsKnifeSheathGlasses001.jpg

thank you Tuba.

LetItBe
01-08-2011, 06:30 PM
I don't know anything about forensic astrology. I do find this interesting. Can anyone give me a link that would explain on reading the charts or any information at all? Thank you.

FifthEssence
01-08-2011, 07:17 PM
I don't know anything about forensic astrology. I do find this interesting. Can anyone give me a link that would explain on reading the charts or any information at all? Thank you.

Jump on over to our LIBRARY.

Astrologers LIBRARY - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


You need to have a grasp on the basics first.
I suggest this link as a good start, found in the Library, as they provide uncomplicated lessons that are both audio and visual. I think you'll enjoy the lessons. Turn on your speakers as they walk through each of the categories on the page.
Start with the blocks on the center of the page beginning with The Fundamentals of Astrology.

http://astrology.clairvision.org/free_astrology_course.html

LetItBe
01-08-2011, 07:43 PM
Thank you so much FifthEssence for the links. I will read those!

Tuba
01-08-2011, 09:40 PM
Relative to Holly Jenkins' discovery of the knife sheath and the oil field glasses and the tire tracks, the importance of these finds registers on the organisation chart for Scurry County. The county's Mercury is on the ASC for her discovery and the county Sun is the solstice point of this same ASC for Holly's discovery. Five years later, Alonzo T. Dunn bought and dedicated the land for the town of Dunn and Uranus of that time is on the Moon and Saturn of the report to law enforcement. Alonzo's dedication of Dunn had Saturn conjunct the Sun of Hailey's disappearance! and the county of Scurry was exactly opposite--all partile (precise to the very degree). It is obvious the searchers are looking in just the right spot. This saves time and is good to know.

Soulscape
01-09-2011, 03:30 AM
Apparently authorities are still entertaining the notion that Hailey Dunn is a runaway.

While this would certainly be preferable to alternative notions, let me remind you, we do not find ALGOL on the ASCENDANT, SUN in the 8th House of Death, and the significator of the Missing Person partile conjunct SERPENTIS in runaway cases.....



> > http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356
> > UPDATE: No Evidence of Foul Play in Dunn Disappearance
> > VIDEO included at link
> > Saturday, 7:00 p.m. Update:
> > Saturday evening, Senior Trooper Sparky Dean told KTAB's Tiffany Tatro investigators and searchers hadn't found any evidence to indicate foul play in the disappearance of Hailey Dunn.
> >
> > While no one is ruling out foul play at this point, Dean said the case could still be a runaway.
> >
> > Dean says searchers hope to complete efforts in Dunn this evening and will then work their way south towards Colorado City
>



Thanks,
Soulscape

momsbold1
01-09-2011, 05:56 AM
Perhaps there will be news when Mercury stations/direct on January 18th?

Tuba
01-09-2011, 01:04 PM
What I see when I look at this case is that the scene is not really as presented. There is an event, Sun-Pluto in the 8th House that is within the home, Sun ruling House 4 as it does. Venus. significator of an event that is "something to weep about" (Pleiades on the ASC) is not saying goodbye or even banging the door and leaving without saying goodbye. She is weaker than she has ever been in her life, helpless and unable to act in her own behalf, Venus in detriment in the House of no power, 6. She lacks capacity in this Sign so foreign to her nature and is overwhelmed by it: the Sign of Scorpio, repeating the deadly theme of House 8. She sorely feels the distance between her and her mom or dad who could save her. (Planets in exile are aware of that separation from family & loved ones, always.) In Water, she is mute and there is no scream.

Venus is disposited by Mars and Pluto who loom from deadly House 8, one more stress on that note. But Mars is not energetic, initiating, go get 'em Mars. He is squaring Saturn and in vicious dynamic, cruel, savage. He and Saturn are in Cardinal affliction to Hailey's Saturn, Venus and Moon. She cannot hold out against the onslaught. She daily lived with the Mars of another blighting her Moon.

The activity of the event, Moon early in Libra, squares the Sun for male-female conflict but the Sun is outdone, overshadowed by the power thrust of Pluto who lunges at the child in House 5. And, as Soulscape told us, that Moon child is at the degree of the nodes: a casualty, a fatality.

Things had been bad for a long time. Saturn sat on Hailey's Venus starting November and she was born with the rejection opposition of Venus afflicted by Saturn at 19°Aries. The Sun is exalted on that degree but when Saturn is on it, he is in extreme FALL, at his worst.

All of this occurred at a time when we were under a solar eclipse that hit her Moon (directly opposite from 13:39 Capricorn) and smarting from the closing square of Mars and Saturn which perfected on 29 December. Hailey's natal T-Square was suddenly filled by the transit of Mars to become a Cardinal Cross.

The House where we look for law enforcement action bears the degree of ARREST, so that action is coming. Hey, the Sun is squaring it today! Mercury conjoins Pluto of the event, January 18.

*http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HAILEYdunnLASTSEEN12710TUBA.jpg


Notice on this chart that Saturn in the House of the child is square to Mars edging toward House 9. Saturn is also on the edge, of course. When a planet if seen as falling off the cusp of House 9 it means that individual is about to make or take a secret trip, so that is what actually happened here. Mars rules the adversary House 7 for the missing child, Venus ruled Taurus.

Notice also the ruler of the deadly House 8 is found in House 11 of unbonded relationships conjunct Uranus of shock value and sudden explosive happenings.

Tuba
01-09-2011, 03:50 PM
I'm big on us mortals being at our absolute worst when the Sun above opposes the Sun of our birth. We should never put ourselves forward at this period. We will not be advancing our position if we do, contrary to our own wrongheaded determination. We will make gross or grave errors.

On December 27, the Sun in Capricorn was opposite Male630's own natal Sun. Additionally, his Neptune is 3° Capricorn and the transiting Sun had just gone over that putting him into a mood and confusing him. Like Hailey, he suffers from a deep rejection wound, his Taurus Venus being opposite his Saturn for life. Job loss was one more smack where it hurts, another meaningful rejection and the mood intensified. His Mars on the girl's Moon found its target. 630 has an exact Mercury-Pluto square which is the correlative to his yelling and shouting and exerting his power urges through words.

630's Sun is conjunct the Sun for the foundation chart of Scurry County and is opposed by the Saturn in Capricorn of the town of Dunn. His thoughts at the close of December 2010 and now, would be as dark as the Capricorn Saturn there.

msyanas
01-09-2011, 07:03 PM
Hi..I am from colorado city..me and my hasband looked all along some county roads .. but we had a gut feeling something odd about our airport..idk..what do y'all think? Also my hubby says he know where there is a well..a deep one..should we check?

FifthEssence
01-09-2011, 07:19 PM
Hi..I am from colorado city..me and my husband looked all along some county roads .. but we had a gut feeling something odd about our airport..idk..what do y'all think? Also my hubby says he know where there is a well..a deep one..should we check?

Hello there msyanas. It is so good to hear the locals are participating in their own way in finding young HAILEY.

I do think you need to contact LE and one of the professional search teams or groups that have come in to town (hopefully TES will be allowed in-heard they are waiting to get the go ahead) with your thoughts about the airport.
Please do not go near any deep wells without the assistance of those who are pros, have proper safety gear and are familiar with well environments. I'd also pass the well info on to LE and any of the organized search teams.
BE SAFE PLEASEzzzzz!

God bless you for all your efforts. Let's hope HAILEY is located soon.

Question: is the airport North of the home?

msyanas
01-09-2011, 07:34 PM
Yes it is north /west about 6 miles out..and we did contact the police didn't hear what happened then..anyway..what was odd to us as we read this:

http://mobile.associatedcontent.com/article/6196674/hailey_dunn_disappearance_pg3.html?cat=34

We thought of the airport..my hubby and I went to the airport yesterday in daylight nobody was there no car truck or anything..then we decided to go over there when it got dark and guess what there was a maroon truck..and he said there was a fresh lock on one of the buildings...the truck we saw..was full of dirt..like its been there for a while..but it wasn't there when we where there in daylight..anyway we called in the plates and the cops said that truck parks there all the time..it was odd to me..and in front of the main building had elevation ( and some number) on the front..also at night there is a light tower that rotates 360 at night..then. my friend said she googled around and found this

http://www.myspace.com/kyle_bartels

Tell me if u strike this as odd!

FifthEssence
01-09-2011, 08:06 PM
Thank you msanas.

The photos of a certain person are telling.

Do post your story and respective links above over in the main missing persons thread for HAILEY.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #10 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

There are some outstanding sleuths working on the case who might take a further look into if and how there may be some associations and places connected to the disappearance.

Soulscape
01-09-2011, 10:06 PM
We are not naming names but I trust you know of whom we speak.

The tri-wheel below shows the REPORTED MISSING wheel in the center, surrounded by Hailey Dunn's natal chart (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at Event location) and the natal chart of the last person to have allegedly seen her (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at location of Event).

I have made several call-outs which I hope to clarify in commentary below this chart.

The abbreviation SP in the call-outs stands for 'Secondary Progressed'.

PNE = Prenatal Eclipse


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HAILEYtriWheelShawnSOULSCAPE.jpg





In her posts above, Tuba has already delineated important interaspects between the charts of Hailey Dunn and MALE630, as well as interactions with the alleged LAST SEEN. I will try not to repeat her observations, but instead, add to them.

As mentioned in previous postings, the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts are similar in that they both exhibit a late degree of Taurus Rising and place Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) in the unfortunate 6th House. Planetary movement over a 24 hour period is slight. MOON has moved from 02 Libra (House 5) in the LAST SEEN to 16 Libra (House 6 in the REPORTED MISSING.

You may recall the 02 Libra MOON placement in the LAST SEEN is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality. The 16 Libra MOON position in the REPORTED MISSING is partile (same degree) conjunct Event SATURN, a death marker, and close square Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position), which is unfortunately afflicted by its uncomfortably close conjunction to MALE630's natal MARS (aggression), 13 Cancer.


*****

Recall the LAST SEEN ASCENDANT degree of 29 Taurus, on ALCYONE, the Weeping Sisters giving something to cry about, while the REPORTED MISSING chart shows 26 Taurus, partile conjunct ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens and associated with losing one's head, literally or figuratively. Notice the positions of MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse (28:50 Taurus) and Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29:27 Taurus. We could certainly say they are smack thereon both Ascendants...


*****

MALE630 has secondary progressed SUN at 02 Leo, partile conjunct REPORTED MISSING Part of DEATH, which itself is (1) in Fateful Degree and (2) partile opposed Event TORO (brutality) 02:19 Aquarius (not shown). His secondary progressed MARS is tightly conjunct, posited at 00 Leo, exact square to Hailey's secondary progressed CHIRON (wounding) 00:53 Scorpio.

REPORTED MISSING SUN/MOON midpoint (not shown) is 26 Scorpio: exactly on House 7 cusp (the perp), exactly opposite the ASCENDANT 26 Taurus (Hailey), close opposed MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse - natal TORO conjunction.

MALE630's secondary progressed MOON (based on sunrise natal) at 16 Scorpio conjuncts the weak and helpless Hailey, VENUS 20 Scorpio. Twenty four hours earlier, the conjunction was tighter with VENUS - Hailey at 19 Scorpio, partile conjunct SERPENTIS, the cursed degree of the cursed sign.

As mentioned in a previous post, Event Asteroid SEAN at 19 Pisces partile squares Event Lord 5 the Child MERCURY (Hailey) 19 Sagittarius and close opposes Hailey's secondary progressed SUN at 18 Virgo. Event Asteroid SEAN also close conjuncts Hailey's prenatal solar eclipse degree, 18:30 Pisces.

Needless to say, the interaspects amongst the charts are disturbing in the highest degree.

Thanks,
Soulscape

marlame
01-09-2011, 10:29 PM
Hi..I am from colorado city..me and my hasband looked all along some county roads .. but we had a gut feeling something odd about our airport..idk..what do y'all think? Also my hubby says he know where there is a well..a deep one..should we check?

msyanas, Thank you for posting on WS and sharing this information! The outpouring of concern from your little community for Hailey is amazing. It is apparent Colorado City will not rest until she is found!

:welcome4:

Soulscape
01-09-2011, 11:37 PM
Adding more (astrological) fuel to the fire, MALE630's natal MARS/SATURN midpoint 17:57 Virgo is close conjunct Hailey's secondary progressed SUN 18:09 Virgo and close opposed her prenatal solar eclipse degree 18:30 Pisces. MARS/SATURN = cruelness, brutality.

MALE630's natal VENUS/MARS midpoint 18:51 Gemini is partile (in the same degree) square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN 18:09 Virgo as well as partile square her prenatal solar eclipse degree 18:30 Pisces. VENUS/MARS speaks of sexual action/ attraction.

MALE630's natal MARS/PLUTO midpoint 07:56 Virgo is close conjunct Hailey's natal SUN 05:13 Virgo. MARS/PLUTO = force/ control issues/ violence/ rage/ rape/ murder.


ETA: Also, I note MALE630 was born with MOON and MARS Out of Bounds.

Natal placements show how an individual is 'hardwired'. The chart suggests a person who is, by nature, literally 'out of control' ---- emotionally (MOON) and in actions (MARS). Transitory triggers to these planets would set him off, more so than usual. His natal MOON - URANUS conjunction adds to emotional instability and with natal MARS likely inconjuncting, to rash actions.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Jenny60123
01-10-2011, 09:35 AM
Adding more (astrological) fuel to the fire, MALE630's natal MARS/SATURN midpoint 17:57 Virgo is close conjunct Hailey's secondary progressed SUN 18:09 Virgo and close opposed her prenatal solar eclipse degree 18:30 Pisces. MARS/SATURN = cruelness, brutality.

MALE630's natal VENUS/MARS midpoint 18:51 Gemini is partile (in the same degree) square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN 18:09 Virgo as well as partile square her prenatal solar eclipse degree 18:30 Pisces. VENUS/MARS speaks of sexual action/ attraction.

MALE630's natal MARS/PLUTO midpoint 07:56 Virgo is close conjunct Hailey's natal SUN 05:13 Virgo. MARS/PLUTO = force/ control issues/ violence/ rage/ rape/ murder.


ETA: Also, I note MALE630 was born with MOON and MARS Out of Bounds.

Natal placements show how an individual is 'hardwired'. The chart suggests a person who is, by nature, literally 'out of control' ---- emotionally (MOON) and in actions (MARS). Transitory triggers to these planets would set him off, more so than usual. His natal MOON - URANUS conjunction adds to emotional instability and with natal MARS likely inconjuncting, to rash actions.


Thanks,
Soulscape

Oh my God! So scary, i pray he is being watched closely. God bless Hailey, and send strength to her parents.

Tuba
01-10-2011, 12:16 PM
The Moon only had 52' to go before she would pass on to 3° Libra. We know of a certainty that casualty occurred during the Moon's passage through the second degree of Libra because she was identical to the nodes. If the disabled Venus, Hailey, by a Gifford's miracle, survived the confrontation with 630 and left, her fate was sealed despite escape because she would have headed right into Saturn square Mars. The Moon was moving at 35.2'/hr that day, so Hailey only had until 4:03 to get away although injured and in sorry condition but she would have next been square Pluto, then Sun but at the solstice point, by then, of the House 8 ruler. Following that was conjunction to Saturn afflicted by Mars. So there really was no exit.

Laddsy
01-10-2011, 08:10 PM
How accurate is this stuff? Has any of this been accurate in other cases?

jnTexas
01-10-2011, 08:20 PM
The Moon only had 52' to go before she would pass on to 3° Libra. We know of a certainty that casualty occurred during the Moon's passage through the second degree of Libra because she was identical to the nodes. If the disabled Venus, Hailey, by a Gifford's miracle, survived the confrontation with 630 and left, her fate was sealed despite escape because she would have headed right into Saturn square Mars. The Moon was moving at 35.2'/hr that day, so Hailey only had until 4:03 to get away although injured and in sorry condition but she would have next been square Pluto, then Sun but at the solstice point, by then, of the House 8 ruler. Following that was conjunction to Saturn afflicted by Mars. So there really was no exit.

Thanks Tuba...That is absolutely heartbreaking to read. It must be really hard to look at a chart like this and read it. just heartbreaking

FifthEssence
01-10-2011, 08:32 PM
How accurate is this stuff? Has any of this been accurate in other cases?


You decide.

There are quite a few threads here in our Forensic Astrology Forum dedicated to particular cases you can read up on.
Forensic Astrology Forum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Be sure to visit our BRIEFINGS Thread #1 as well.
Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - # 1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Enjoy.

passionflower
01-10-2011, 08:34 PM
Can charts be done to clear parents?
Billie Dunn: 5/4/1977
Clint Dunn: 10/20/1977

passionflower
01-10-2011, 08:35 PM
How accurate is this stuff? Has any of this been accurate in other cases?

I have followed here for years and I must say only 1 time the charts were not totally true.
I cannot even remember the case it was so long ago.

Frigga
01-10-2011, 09:35 PM
I believe the charts are always accurate (true) it is the interpretation or incorrect information given that can be off! At least that's my understanding!

marlame
01-10-2011, 10:19 PM
I was wondering if a chart can be done for the time the neighbor saw Hailey on the telephone in the backyard. The time is 12:00 noon-- Dec. 27, 2010.

Tonight Billie said on NG that Hailey would go out to the backyard to talk when there was someone at home. I am curious to know if the chart would show if someone was there or give any additional information.


Thanks so much! This is so sad. I just hope Hailey is found soon.

Here is a link to transcripts from NG for 1/3 where Billie confirms the time the neighbor saw Hailey was 12 noon:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/03/ng.01.html

GRACE: OK. So she goes missing Monday. You report it Tuesday after Christmas.

DUNN: Right.

GRACE: OK. So I know she`s alive at lunchtime. I know she`s fine, she`s at home. The boyfriend comes home at what time, did you say, around 3:00?

DUNN: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: So 3:00. Between 12:00 and 3:00, did anybody see her beside the boyfriend?

DUNN: Just my next-door neighbor.

GRACE: OK. And that was at noon.

DUNN: Yes.

Laddsy
01-10-2011, 11:25 PM
I have followed here for years and I must say only 1 time the charts were not totally true.
I cannot even remember the case it was so long ago.

WOW so why dont LE use this in every case?

Leomoon80
01-10-2011, 11:47 PM
I was wondering if a chart can be done for the time the neighbor saw Hailey on the telephone in the backyard. The time is 12:00 noon-- Dec. 27, 2010.

Tonight Billie said on NG that Hailey would go out to the backyard to talk when there was someone at home. I am curious to know if the chart would show if someone was there or give any additional information.


Thanks so much! This is so sad. I just hope Hailey is found soon.

Here is a link to transcripts from NG for 1/3 where Billie confirms the time the neighbor saw Hailey was 12 noon:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/03/ng.01.html

GRACE: OK. So she goes missing Monday. You report it Tuesday after Christmas.

DUNN: Right.

GRACE: OK. So I know she`s alive at lunchtime. I know she`s fine, she`s at home. The boyfriend comes home at what time, did you say, around 3:00?

DUNN: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: So 3:00. Between 12:00 and 3:00, did anybody see her beside the boyfriend?

DUNN: Just my next-door neighbor.

GRACE: OK. And that was at noon.

DUNN: Yes.

I'll post the Event chart, and perhaps others will see something that I cannot see other then, she's alive now at Noontime in the backyard according to this chart's symbols, if she is represented by Venus in the 8th house.

Reading:

Neighbor saw Hailey on on cell phone:

Communications and phones are house 3 and Mercury indicators below the horizon at this time of day, in that 3rd house was Medea (an asteroid) and the cusp is just entering the Weeping Sisters at 1Gemini. Something truly sad to come from this event and cry about for all who love this little girl.

The 3rd Hs. is ruled by Mercury in this case found near the MC or the public, so appropriately seen by the neighbor and the chart shows this conjunct the Part of Fortune., with Jupiter ruling the MC (back to the ASC) or the event itself.

MEDEA: INTENSE EMOTIONS, PLANNING, EXTREMES IN LOVE OR HATE OR EVEN BOTH SIMUTANEOUSLY
Medea in mythology, has some similarities to Lilith, but is said the myth has more to do with feelings of “desperateness and With a decidedly “aggressive feel” to it.

This Chart is ruled by Neptune (new ruler) & Jupiter (ancient)_ , with Jupiter close to the Ascendent conj. Uranus.

The 7th house cusp is Virgo conj. To both Hopi (ambush) and the Vertex (the actual event or person who Hopi points to - ambushes her)

However, Virgo is ruled by Mercury and we’ve already assigned Mercury to the neighbor in the 10th. Should we also assign Mercury to the perp?

Perhaps so, a double meaning here for it falls in militaristic Sagittarius never without some dignity and strength ruling the 9th it’s own house.
Mercury is double dealing here, as we see it squares to the Black Moon Lilith….in the 12th of captivity and squares Hopi and the Vertex too.

What to make of Ceres in the 11th house?

It makes only good aspects, harmonious ones and some believe that Ceres is the rightful ruler of Virgo, more to ponder.

For what was it Manilus wrote about Ceres? :waitasec:
“spicifera est Virgo Cereris” — “The Virgin with her sheaf belongs to Ceres”. [Astronomica, Manilius, 1st century AD, p.117]

We also can’t neglect the Ruler of this Event being first Neptune (secondly Jupiter, it’s ancient ruler) Neptune is found in Neptune’s own house, the 12th thus strong, to deceive and lie or perhaps undermining the child for she is not cognizant of the danger near her as it’s also quincunx to the Vertex (the fated event or person) and square to Venus (the young girl)

So, we see Venus in the 8th house but in “do or die” Scorpio 19th degree – the so-called evil degree of Scorpio and alive with the Sextile to Mars and trine to Jupiter (if Venus is Hailey) yet, not for long for Venus also is semi-square to Pluto as well square to Chiron.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/769/screenshot006qb.jpg

marlame
01-11-2011, 12:34 AM
I'll post the Event chart, and perhaps others will see something that I cannot see other then, she's alive now at Noontime in the backyard according to this chart's symbols, if she is represented by Venus in the 8th house.

Reading:

Neighbor saw Hailey on on cell phone:

Communications and phones are house 3 and Mercury indicators below the horizon at this time of day, in that 3rd house was Medea (an asteroid) and the cusp is just entering the Weeping Sisters at 1Gemini. Something truly sad to come from this event and cry about for all who love this little girl.

The 3rd Hs. is ruled by Mercury in this case found near the MC or the public, so appropriately seen by the neighbor and the chart shows this conjunct the Part of Fortune., with Jupiter ruling the MC (back to the ASC) or the event itself.

MEDEA: INTENSE EMOTIONS, PLANNING, EXTREMES IN LOVE OR HATE OR EVEN BOTH SIMUTANEOUSLY
Medea in mythology, has some similarities to Lilith, but is said the myth has more to do with feelings of “desperateness and With a decidedly “aggressive feel” to it.

This Chart is ruled by Neptune (new ruler) & Jupiter (ancient)_ , with Jupiter close to the Ascendent conj. Uranus.

The 7th house cusp is Virgo conj. To both Hopi (ambush) and the Vertex (the actual event or person who Hopi points to - ambushes her)

However, Virgo is ruled by Mercury and we’ve already assigned Mercury to the neighbor in the 10th. Should we also assign Mercury to the perp?

Perhaps so, a double meaning here for it falls in militaristic Sagittarius never without some dignity and strength ruling the 9th it’s own house.
Mercury is double dealing here, as we see it squares to the Black Moon Lilith….in the 12th of captivity and squares Hopi and the Vertex too.

What to make of Ceres in the 11th house?

It makes only good aspects, harmonious ones and some believe that Ceres is the rightful ruler of Virgo, more to ponder.

For what was it Manilus wrote about Ceres? :waitasec:
“spicifera est Virgo Cereris” — “The Virgin with her sheaf belongs to Ceres”. [Astronomica, Manilius, 1st century AD, p.117]

We also can’t neglect the Ruler of this Event being first Neptune (secondly Jupiter, it’s ancient ruler) Neptune is found in Neptune’s own house, the 12th thus strong, to deceive and lie or perhaps undermining the child for she is not cognizant of the danger near her as it’s also quincunx to the Vertex (the fated event or person) and square to Venus (the young girl)

So, we see Venus in the 8th house but in “do or die” Scorpio 19th degree – the so-called evil degree of Scorpio and alive with the Sextile to Mars and trine to Jupiter (if Venus is Hailey) yet, not for long for Venus also is semi-square to Pluto as well square to Chiron.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/769/screenshot006qb.jpg

Leomoon--Thank you so much and Happy Birthday to YOU, a fellow Cappy! :balloons:

Do you see anything in the chart that indicates the person responsible for Hailey's demise is at the home at this time? The reason I ask this is Hailey's Mom was just on the NG show tonight and said that it was common for Hailey to talk on the phone in the backyard when someone was home. (Typical for a 13 yr old girl to want some privacy). According to the witness that last saw Hailey, that individual claims to not have arrived until 3pm. Could the perp have been there at noon? or near by?

Again, thank you for weighing in on this sad case! :tyou:

Marla

Leomoon80
01-11-2011, 03:03 AM
Thank you Marlame for your kind sentiment.
Often Cappy Stelliums are slower to ponder and think, and do not respond as quickly as some might. When we do, often we are wrong......I'm still thinking. :innocent:

As to who was in the house during this time period ?


What to make of Ceres in the 11th house?

It makes only good aspects, harmonious ones and some believe that Ceres is the rightful ruler of Virgo, more to ponder.

I'd say that the answer to my question at least is probably the friends of Hailey's she spoke to on the phone., Ceres in the 11th of friendships. Again, Ceres is nurture and there are only harmonious aspects here for her.

That makes sense then, with the phone call itself. She indeed may have met up with the children she was seen with later (after noontime or 1-2) if the witnesses are correct. But the LE should know by know via the phone call.

As for the rest of your question? As much as we all want to know it all, sometimes these things have to be "sussed out"
(so to speak) astrologically.

I'm with the others that thus far, it appears to me to be 630 and I've said that from the beginning.

I also don't think that Algol can be on the ASC and this be a simple runaway, although IF it is, then she's come to harm, because Algol is "the worse of the worse" symbolically.

Let's pray for Hailey.

And her parents and brother.

Jenny60123
01-11-2011, 09:15 AM
How accurate is this stuff? Has any of this been accurate in other cases?

Very accurate. I have followed these astrologers for 2 years, all through the Caylee Anthony investigation. They have been incredibly accurate. The stars do not lie, and these astrologers are very gifted at reading what the stars are telling us.

Jenny60123
01-11-2011, 09:18 AM
You decide.

There are quite a few threads here in our Forensic Astrology Forum dedicated to particular cases you can read up on.
Forensic Astrology Forum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=318)


Be sure to visit our BRIEFINGS Thread #1 as well.
Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - # 1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79041)


Enjoy.

LOL, sorry! I am just so amazed at you all I couldn't help but to speak up. :innocent:

passionflower
01-11-2011, 01:17 PM
Happy Birthday LeoMoon!
Mercury is double dealing here, as we see it squares to the Black Moon Lilith..........
that alone scares me.

sherbetjello
01-11-2011, 01:21 PM
I know there are a lot of questions here, and I realize all the time and effort that has been put into this case [a big thank you, btw]. I was wondering, since it says in the chart that the "event was close to home" could the search earlier in this case be related, at all?


These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.
[per Soulscape's chart; #37: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5980527&postcount=37]


Officials also confirmed that Hailey’s home was searched Wednesday for any clues that may have been missed earlier.

The search was conducted by the Texas Rangers, who looked through the home then spent 10 minutes in an outdoor storage shed.
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html

Leomoon80
01-11-2011, 01:38 PM
I think when it comes to this perplexing Dunn case, after seeing the objective statements of the parents Billie & Clint last night on the
NG show, that it is within the realm of possibility that something as I mentioned earlier, (IF she escaped)....terrible occurred, but yet I do think we need to keep our minds opened when it comes to events solidified as though cast in bronze or :( concrete or potential for escape.

I think Tuba mentioned the potential for the childs escape was there, but the aspects for the Moon and the other planets after that last seen point in time, (3- 3:15PM) suggest that this was beyond the realm of possibility chance wise, and mathematically with the aspects being made.

Does not quantum physics tell us about this possibility? I believe so, but it will take me awhile to look it up.
Meanwhile, use this metaphor to think about.The Science of Meteorology........may be something to use as an analogy.

When you look at a "set of conditions" on the nightly news in front of the weather map with the high pressure storm gathering steam to meet up with the low pressure ones, you get "closer" to where you can almost predict 100% (more like 95% allowing for that chance of a small unseen anamoly like a breeze coming along), that there is going to be a storm (no longer brewing, but in actuality)

When it's "days in advance" versus closer to a point in timeyou get to the convergance of forces that allow for better prediction.


As I see astrology (and can only speak for myself of course and not others) We are all looking at patterns, mathematical aspects the charts are making, (provided the times and places are true events objective in time and not made up times by someone ,......which is always possible too such as in this case!

BUT, when we know the time and the place is objectively proven to be true, then there are certain mathematical alignments based upon that as outlined by Astrological delineations seen here on this forum.

NOW, can we be off? :waitasec: Of course, nothing in life is perfect, except Astrology, but certainly not human beings, or we'd not be here on this planet, imo we'd be too perfect to be placed here, lol There was a time when Neptune, Pluto and Uranus were not known but only hypothesised to be other planets in this Solar System

Yet, both Tropical Astrologers as well as Vedic astrologers realize that the closer in time to a "path" taken, astrologically, the less likely it is that the planets will not "perfect" the event that is being sought after or the more likely the event will be in time.

Do we know (beyond 630) that this point in time, (3 to 3:15PM)
on 12/27/10 is written in stone for accuracy on the clock?

marlame
01-11-2011, 03:21 PM
I think when it comes to this perplexing Dunn case, after seeing the objective statements of the parents Billie & Clint last night on the
NG show, that it is within the realm of possibility that something as I mentioned earlier, (IF she escaped)....terrible occurred, but yet I do think we need to keep our minds opened when it comes to events solidified as though cast in bronze or :( concrete or potential for escape.

I think Tuba mentioned the potential for the childs escape was there, but the aspects for the Moon and the other planets after that last seen point in time, (3- 3:15PM) suggest that this was beyond the realm of possibility chance wise, and mathematically with the aspects being made.

Does not quantum physics tell us about this possibility? I believe so, but it will take me awhile to look it up.
Meanwhile, use this metaphor to think about.The Science of Meteorology........may be something to use as an analogy.

When you look at a "set of conditions" on the nightly news in front of the weather map with the high pressure storm gathering steam to meet up with the low pressure ones, you get "closer" to where you can almost predict 100% (more like 95% allowing for that chance of a small unseen anamoly like a breeze coming along), that there is going to be a storm (no longer brewing, but in actuality)

When it's "days in advance" versus closer to a point in timeyou get to the convergance of forces that allow for better prediction.


As I see astrology (and can only speak for myself of course and not others) We are all looking at patterns, mathematical aspects the charts are making, (provided the times and places are true events objective in time and not made up times by someone ,......which is always possible too such as in this case!

BUT, when we know the time and the place is objectively proven to be true, then there are certain mathematical alignments based upon that as outlined by Astrological delineations seen here on this forum.

NOW, can we be off? :waitasec: Of course, nothing in life is perfect, except Astrology, but certainly not human beings, or we'd not be here on this planet, imo we'd be too perfect to be placed here, lol There was a time when Neptune, Pluto and Uranus were not known but only hypothesised to be other planets in this Solar System

Yet, both Tropical Astrologers as well as Vedic astrologers realize that the closer in time to a "path" taken, astrologically, the less likely it is that the planets will not "perfect" the event that is being sought after or the more likely the event will be in time.

Do we know (beyond 630) that this point in time, (3 to 3:15PM)
on 12/27/10 is written in stone for accuracy on the clock?

Hi Leomoon--Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and answering our questions. And of course, I have another question...

If the boyfriend did make up the 3:15 time Hailey left, does it affect what the chart tells us?

How can one be sure of the accuracy in this situation? Given, the 3:15pm time came from the BF (630). Outside of the neighbor who claims to have seen Hailey on the phone in the backyard at 12 noon, the BF is the only other person who saw her that day.

LE has stated the last seen time as 3:15pm, based upon the BF claiming that is when Hailey left the home. Hailey's brother arrived home at 5pm and the BF was there then, but no Hailey. Mom arrived home from work at 7pm. The window of time the Police are working with given the witness statements is between 12noon and 5pm.

Here is a link to video of Sgt. John Biven's with Colorado City LE giving a public statement about the time Hailey was last seen. It is towards the very end of the video clip.

http://www.ktxs.com/video/26358113/index.html

Again, Thank you!!!

Leomoon80
01-11-2011, 04:11 PM
Yes, the time of the event, Last Seen is crucial and very important, and that is the primary chart we are studying here in addition to the known dates of birth of the various players and Hailey.

The planets then for those involved in the case and what they were doing that day are also being carefully scrutinized., but it’s paramount to have correct event timing charts as well.

The more information, the better to see what may have occurred. More “timed and known objective charts” the better to see the entirety of the picture and what may have happened to Hailey.

The time period given to us then, and to the LE and the public, is a timeframe of 3- 3:15 for Last Seen when the Rising sign changed from Algol to Alcoyne, fixed stars each having significant danger attached to them – which is already well delineated by everyone here, and no more needs really be added to that particular chart as far as I’m concerned, it’s all been said.

Other timed events may reveal other information.

Leomoon80
01-11-2011, 05:03 PM
I'm taking it that the NG show said Hailey's brother came home precisely at or near 5PM?

I seem to recall this too, yet I cannot find that time on the internet for the brother's return to the home, other then the NG show interview.

Here is the 5PM Chart: and how this point in time may be coinciding with Hailey's own natal chart:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002iw.jpg/
In Hailey’s natal, Venus is opposed 13Libra to Saturn in the sign of it's "Fall" 19Aries

Since the 5PM chart shows Libra the ruler of the 5th (the focus is not yet on Hailey
At this point in time perhaps, yet Libra is ruled by Venus Hailey’s own Venus sign .

Saturn is in the 5th in the 5PM chart – she was missing (not at home) but the question is, was she in danger at this point in time?
Saturn was transiting that day at 16 Libra, and in effect may have triggered a Grand Square in Cardinal signs for Hailey. The Grand Square included her Moon, Venus, Saturn and by using wider orbs, Neptune!

http://classiclegendbooks.com/ephemeris/1997/aug.shtml



Since (same thing Tuba pointed to earlier) Saturn is squaring Mars and Mars is now strong in it’s own ruler and has dignity here, Capricorn conj. The Sun and square to Pluto
It appears that in this point of time Hailey was in trouble, more then likely gone at that time.



The 4th of “homecoming” for the brother shows Melpomene (asteroid for a tragedy) conj. To the Moon in Libra. The Moon marks the event of the homecoming.

The Moon is semi-square to Venus (Hailey ) and opposed to Mars in the “others” house the 7th. Also opposed to Uranus (an abduction) , however a BiQuintile (creative aspect) to Neptune ….. :waitasec:


The Moon (at 5PM) squares Pluto and the North Node.
Mercury Rules the 5PM chart in Gemini, and found RX in the 6th house in Sagittarius (square Jupiter the sign’s own ruler) and square Uranus in the 10th House.

Seems to me this chart is suggesting that lies are easily swapped here in the house at 5PM/


Considering that a little girl we NOW know is missing for the 7th house of perpetrator or others, is ruled by Sagittarius, and we see Mercury (rx) in SAG is square again to this planet ruled by this sign.

passionflower
01-11-2011, 05:09 PM
according to NG FB........LE back at mom's house at shed.......today
I'll try to find a time.
It just says 3 hours ago...........on link.
That would be !:14pm EST

passionflower
01-11-2011, 05:20 PM
"At this point, we aren't positive if she went missing (on that) Sunday, Monday, or even Tuesday," Dean said during a news conference on Jan. 9.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329706

passionflower
01-11-2011, 05:23 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=330326

Dunn's Parents Under Scrutiny

Tuba
01-11-2011, 06:03 PM
The Moon and Saturn both intercepted in the backyard as this missing child talked on the phone was a jolt. As many Websleuths have sensed on their own, something was already wrong at that noon hour. Hailey's course was already blocked and she definitely felt the hills were closing in on her and on her "companion", Saturn. Due to concerns raised by that noon horoscope, I charted the interview with the girls who had been walking with Hailey.

The testimony of this new chart is very bleak. Not that the earlier charts were promising. Further and startling in its exactitude, Mercury of this new witness chart is on the Part of Death from the 3:15 p.m. horoscope based on 630's account and Mercury did rule House 5 of the child in his statement.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/DunnCaseWalkingWitnessesInterviewed001.jpg

Paulette
01-12-2011, 12:16 AM
FOIA used by TV station to access records from FBI.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26459455/detail.html

FifthEssence
01-12-2011, 12:28 AM
Keep in mind, this is an ASTROLOGY Forum, and we need to stay on topic.

Thank you.

*General comments,opinions & questions NOT RELATED to the astrological forensics of the case, should be posted out in the Missing Persons thread for HAILEY.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 #14 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



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http://www.ktxs.com/news/26459455/detail.html
Documents Reveal Startling Details About Hailey's Disappearance

By Merlin Mann, KTXS News
POSTED: 9:54 pm CST January 11, 2011

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- KTXS News has obtained documents that show startling facts into the investigation of missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn that all point to Hailey's mother Billie Jean Dunn and Dunn's former live-in boyfriend Shawn Adkins as being investigators’ primary suspects.

Through the Freedom of Information Act, KTXS has received copies of affidavits that were filed by law enforcement officials for the purpose of securing search warrants to search for and seize evidence related to Hailey’s disappearance.

The affidavits contain facts discovered by law enforcement officials and statements made by Billie Dunn, Adkins and others. In all, a total of six search warrants granted by Mitchell County Judge Ray Mayo.

The information provided in the affidavits does not assign any guilt or innocence. They are used for investigative purposes only, but in being released to the public for the first time, they do provide explosive details about what law enforcement authorities have found.

Information in these summary statements comes directly from the affidavits.

LetItBe
01-12-2011, 01:28 AM
Will there be any new charts based on the latest information that has been released?

belimom
01-12-2011, 02:44 AM
Can charts be done to clear parents?
Billie D***: 5/4/1977
....

Okay. I fess up - I found this info and gave it passionflower... I'd really like to see a chart, if it's possible. I never post here - I'm not familiar with it (although I did get my free natal chart today so that's a start). So I feel awkward asking about a chart, not being a regular on this forum. But if it's possible, I'd like to see it.

Thank you.

Jenny60123
01-12-2011, 08:31 AM
Keep in mind, this is an ASTROLOGY Forum, and we need to stay on topic.

Thank you.

*General comments,opinions & questions NOT RELATED to the astrological forensics of the case, should be posted out in the Missing Persons thread for HAILEY.

TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 #14 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125029)



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http://www.ktxs.com/news/26459455/detail.html
Documents Reveal Startling Details About Hailey's Disappearance

By Merlin Mann, KTXS News
POSTED: 9:54 pm CST January 11, 2011

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- KTXS News has obtained documents that show startling facts into the investigation of missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn that all point to Hailey's mother Billie Jean Dunn and Dunn's former live-in boyfriend Shawn Adkins as being investigators’ primary suspects.

Through the Freedom of Information Act, KTXS has received copies of affidavits that were filed by law enforcement officials for the purpose of securing search warrants to search for and seize evidence related to Hailey’s disappearance.

The affidavits contain facts discovered by law enforcement officials and statements made by Billie Dunn, Adkins and others. In all, a total of six search warrants granted by Mitchell County Judge Ray Mayo.

The information provided in the affidavits does not assign any guilt or innocence. They are used for investigative purposes only, but in being released to the public for the first time, they do provide explosive details about what law enforcement authorities have found.

Information in these summary statements comes directly from the affidavits.

Wow, there were things here I never expexted. They had a New Year's Eve party? 3 days after their precious child went missing? Just wow. Was there anything in any of the charts done that would indicate that perhaps a parent was involved in this crime? I have been firmly in the parents corner, and can't say i'm out of it, but that news is quite shocking to me.

nursebeeme
01-12-2011, 11:03 AM
I'm taking it that the NG show said Hailey's brother came home precisely at or near 5PM?

I seem to recall this too, yet I cannot find that time on the internet for the brother's return to the home, other then the NG show interview.

Here is the 5PM Chart: and how this point in time may be coinciding with Hailey's own natal chart:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002iw.jpg/
In Hailey’s natal, Venus is opposed 13Libra to Saturn in the sign of it's "Fall" 19Aries

Since the 5PM chart shows Libra the ruler of the 5th (the focus is not yet on Hailey
At this point in time perhaps, yet Libra is ruled by Venus Hailey’s own Venus sign .

Saturn is in the 5th in the 5PM chart – she was missing (not at home) but the question is, was she in danger at this point in time?
Saturn was transiting that day at 16 Libra, and in effect may have triggered a Grand Square in Cardinal signs for Hailey. The Grand Square included her Moon, Venus, Saturn and by using wider orbs, Neptune!

http://classiclegendbooks.com/ephemeris/1997/aug.shtml



Since (same thing Tuba pointed to earlier) Saturn is squaring Mars and Mars is now strong in it’s own ruler and has dignity here, Capricorn conj. The Sun and square to Pluto
It appears that in this point of time Hailey was in trouble, more then likely gone at that time.



The 4th of “homecoming” for the brother shows Melpomene (asteroid for a tragedy) conj. To the Moon in Libra. The Moon marks the event of the homecoming.

The Moon is semi-square to Venus (Hailey ) and opposed to Mars in the “others” house the 7th. Also opposed to Uranus (an abduction) , however a BiQuintile (creative aspect) to Neptune ….. :waitasec:


The Moon (at 5PM) squares Pluto and the North Node.
Mercury Rules the 5PM chart in Gemini, and found RX in the 6th house in Sagittarius (square Jupiter the sign’s own ruler) and square Uranus in the 10th House.

Seems to me this chart is suggesting that lies are easily swapped here in the house at 5PM/


Considering that a little girl we NOW know is missing for the 7th house of perpetrator or others, is ruled by Sagittarius, and we see Mercury (rx) in SAG is square again to this planet ruled by this sign.

in light of the official documents that came out (link above) it seems that the brother DD

1)last saw hailey at 9pm on the 26th ((she was playing the xbox))
2)he came home on the 27th at 4pm and the door was locked. He knocked for five minutes and had to go thru a window to get in and found "male" in the house with a deer in the headlights look

would the 9pm and 4pm times show any additional insight in the charts?

tia

passionflower
01-12-2011, 11:50 AM
here is a time stamp.......
– Adkins and Billie Dunn made two withdrawals of cash from an ATM machine in Snyder, in Scurry County, at about 6:20 p.m. on Dec. 27 totaling $140. They told investigators the money was for purchasing drugs

passionflower
01-12-2011, 11:53 AM
Billie Dunn left for work at 6:20 a.m. on Dec. 27

On the afternoon of Dec. 27 at about 4 p.m., Hailey’s brother returned home

Leomoon80
01-12-2011, 12:37 PM
Billie Dunn left for work at 6:20 a.m. on Dec. 27

On the afternoon of Dec. 27 at about 4 p.m., Hailey’s brother returned home

Mercury rules the discovery of a locked door at home the Chart’s Ruler being Gemini. It was also reported the brother told his dad, he gained entry through an opened window as no one answered the door after repeatedly knocking.


Hopi, the asteroid indicating an ambush is in the
4th house at the 22nd degree. Called, here a do or die, I call it the self-undoing degree. Either way, it’s a call to notice when you see a planet or other point in this degree.

Hopi opposes Uranus and Jupiter and squares Mercury, (the chart’s ruler) found in the 7th with Vesta. Hopi as I said, opposes Jupiter, the Ruler of the 7th house.

Since the Ruler of the 4th (end of the matter) is the Sun found in the 8th, sitting between both Mars and Pluto, this event seems to have a dire cause or ending. And although the 5th house in this case is not a focus on the little girl Hailey, we see the ruler of the 5th in the 7th, it may indeed be so,
Which also happens to be the ruler of the chart itself, in the 7th house of strangers or perps.

A conjunction with Vesta and Lachesis tells me that Hailey is the focus of the 7th house.

The question however, is was this event an interruption of something consequential and meaningful to this case of a missing child? :waitasec:


I can tell you the Part of Fortune at 8Pisces square the ASC says it is. This is a degree of murder and suffering for it conjuncts Fixed star SKAT in the 10th for this point in time.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7955/screenshot002p.jpg

Tuba
01-12-2011, 12:47 PM
The only reason I cast the walking witnesses chart is that we cannot entirely trust the male's account of Last Seen, so that was a substitute. Otherwise, that chart would not have been called for. No additional insights emerge from a proliferation of horoscopes. We can, however, look into the horoscopes we already have for more information. Also, just to clarify, look at the Part of Death in the chart based on the girls' statements. It is at the same degree, 20:29 Sagittarius as Mercury was on the last day of Hailey's presence and her significator as a Virgo child in 630's Last Seen. Therefore, she had been a lost cause all of those degrees, which equate to Mercury's passage in time.

belimom
01-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Mercury rules the discovery of a locked door at home the Chart’s Ruler being Gemini. It was also reported the brother told his dad, he gained entry through an opened window as no one answered the door after repeatedly knocking
......
The question however, is was this event an interruption of something consequential and meaningful to this case of a missing child? :waitasec:


I can tell you the Part of Fortune at 8Pisces square the ASC says it is. This is a degree of murder and suffering for it conjuncts Fixed star SKAT in the 10th for this point in time.


Thanks for doing the chart.

:(

nursebeeme
01-12-2011, 12:53 PM
link to the afadavits:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images/Multi_Media/bigcountryhomepage/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

nursebeeme
01-12-2011, 01:06 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images...Affidavits.PDF

SA's phone pinged tower 724 between 0635 and 0656

THEN THERE WAS A BREAK IN SERVICE UNTIL 0938

His phone than pinged tower 730 from 0938-2:40 pm (his mother's house) and 11 phone calls were made in that time frame

Soulscape
01-12-2011, 02:06 PM
To All,

I know you are very concerned and curious to know whether these other times brought to our attention will produce more information, but as Tuba so clearly told us,


The only reason I cast the walking witnesses chart is that we cannot entirely trust the male's account of Last Seen, so that was a substitute. Otherwise, that chart would not have been called for. No additional insights emerge from a proliferation of horoscopes. We can, however, look into the horoscopes we already have for more information. Also, just to clarify, look at the Part of Death in the chart based on the girls' statements. It is at the same degree, 20:29 Sagittarius as Mercury was on the last day of Hailey's presence and her significator as a Virgo child in 630's Last Seen. Therefore, she had been a lost cause all of those degrees, which equate to Mercury's passage in time. <Bolded for emphasis>



Regarding the parents charts, we will not post them.

A careful look at Hailey Dunn's own natal chart will show a child who is not valued, and perhaps neglected, by both her mother and her father.

Positions from Hailey's (sunrise) chart include:

MOON sq VENUS
MOON sq SATURN Rx
MOON opposite NEPTUNE (very wide, possibly closer if born later in the day)
MOON ses-square PLUTO

A previous news article quoted an individual whose boyfriend is somehow related to the Dunn family. This individual stated basically that Hailey ran the streets; apparently the little friend MB's mother wouldn't let MB sleep over at Hailey's after allowing it one time and finding out the kids were out on the streets 1 -2 am. Also, according to this person, lots of fighting/ arguments/ turmoil in the Dunn household after SA moved in and that Hailey definitely did NOT like SA and wanted to move in with her dad to get away from him.

Now affidavits have been released that state (among other things) that BD and SA had extremely disturbing materials in the house glorifying sex/ death/ murder, even of family members, and that both BD and SA were really into those subjects. How chilling is that!

SA was born with MOON and MARS out of bounds, and on 12/27/10 transit MARS 15 Capricorn was out of bounds, triggering his natal MARS position (as well, of course, as Hailey's MOON 15 Cancer, among other things). Out of Bounds = Out of Control.

SA's chart shows severe afflictions and suggests a highly unstable and volatile personality, as I have already discussed in more than one of my previous posts on this thread.

BD's chart also shows severe afflictions. She has SUN square SATURN, opposite URANUS, inconjunct NEPTUNE, inconjunct PLUTO.

Actually, her SUN is focal point of Yod to NEPTUNE sextile PLUTO.

She's got both VENUS and MARS opposite PLUTO. Her MOON 27 Scorpio (sunrise) may be widely opposed her SUN, with MOON semisquare PLUTO.

BD's prenatal Lunar eclipse degree is 14 Libra, which Event MOON conjuncted on her way to exact conjunction with SATURN 16 Libra in the Reported Missing chart.



>>The natal charts including Hailey's support the possibility that both parents as well as SA may have drug issues.

>>Drug use certainly may have contributed to the parents' difficulty/ inability to monitor / nurture their children.

>>His own natal chart suggests that SA has severe issues including behavioral and emotional issues, and that he may lack the ability to manage his anger.

Based on the affidavit regarding the videos and reading materials discovered in the Dunn home, it is not far-fetched to consider that on or about December 27, 2010, SA's head may have been filled with shockingly horrid, sadistic, awful fantasies, which he may have put into action as the out of bounds MARS 15 Cap triggered his own out of bound natal planets.

In my initial post on this thread, I stated that the astrology led me to conclude that Hailey Dunn was dead; raped and murdered.

That conclusion has not changed, and now, especially in light of the recently released affidavits, the fact that the authorities are focusing so strongly on BD and SA does not surprise me in the least.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Jenny60123
01-12-2011, 02:56 PM
To All,

I know you are very concerned and curious to know whether these other times brought to our attention will produce more information, but as Tuba so clearly told us,

<Bolded for emphasis>



Regarding the parents charts, we will not post them.

A careful look at Hailey Dunn's own natal chart will show a child who is not valued, and perhaps neglected, by both her mother and her father.

Positions from Hailey's (sunrise) chart include:

MOON sq VENUS
MOON sq SATURN Rx
MOON opposite NEPTUNE (very wide, possibly closer if born later in the day)
MOON ses-square PLUTO

A previous news article quoted an individual whose boyfriend is somehow related to the Dunn family. This individual stated basically that Hailey ran the streets; apparently the little friend MB's mother wouldn't let MB sleep over at Hailey's after allowing it one time and finding out the kids were out on the streets 1 -2 am. Also, according to this person, lots of fighting/ arguments/ turmoil in the Dunn household after SA moved in and that Hailey definitely did NOT like SA and wanted to move in with her dad to get away from him.

Now affidavits have been released that state (among other things) that BD and SA had extremely disturbing materials in the house glorifying sex/ death/ murder, even of family members, and that both BD and SA were really into those subjects. How chilling is that!

SA was born with MOON and MARS out of bounds, and on 12/27/10 transit MARS 15 Capricorn was out of bounds, triggering his natal MARS position (as well, of course, as Hailey's MOON 15 Cancer, among other things). Out of Bounds = Out of Control.

SA's chart shows severe afflictions and suggests a highly unstable and volatile personality, as I have already discussed in more than one of my previous posts on this thread.

BD's chart also shows severe afflictions. She has SUN square SATURN, opposite URANUS, inconjunct NEPTUNE, inconjunct PLUTO.

Actually, her SUN is focal point of Yod to NEPTUNE sextile PLUTO.

She's got both VENUS and MARS opposite PLUTO. Her MOON 27 Scorpio (sunrise) may be widely opposed her SUN, with MOON semisquare PLUTO.

BD's prenatal Lunar eclipse degree is 14 Libra, which Event MOON conjuncted on her way to exact conjunction with SATURN 16 Libra in the Reported Missing chart.



>>The natal charts including Hailey's support the possibility that both parents as well as SA may have drug issues.

>>Drug use certainly may have contributed to the parents' difficulty/ inability to monitor / nurture their children.

>>His own natal chart suggests that SA has severe issues including behavioral and emotional issues, and that he may lack the ability to manage his anger.

Based on the affidavit regarding the videos and reading materials discovered in the Dunn home, it is not far-fetched to consider that on or about December 27, 2010, SA's head may have been filled with shockingly horrid, sadistic, awful fantasies, which he may have put into action as the out of bounds MARS 15 Cap triggered his own out of bound natal planets.

In my initial post on this thread, I stated that the astrology led me to conclude that Hailey Dunn was dead; raped and murdered.

That conclusion has not changed, and now, especially in light of the recently released affidavits, the fact that the authorities are focusing so strongly on BD and SA does not surprise me in the least.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Poor sweet little girl!

Tuba
01-12-2011, 05:12 PM
If you are part of a costly rocket launch and time for lift off is nigh, you may have done a horoscope for the launch. But if you spot an irregularity at the launch pad and it, of course, concerns you, would you cast a horoscope for the problem you noticed with your own eyes? No. If astrology means anything, then you must believe in it. The testimony for the irregularity will be part and parcel of that launch chart you cast. You will look within that chart for the answers as to what is wrong and if there is indeed an irregularity, you will find it. Either you believe in what the planets are telling you or you do not. But generating chart after chart will not prove or disprove the testimony of your original horoscope. The chart for the launch.

FifthEssence
01-12-2011, 05:52 PM
***********Here are copies of the original EVENT CHARTS- They do tell the story.***********
LAST SEEN, REPORTED MISSING & DAY OF THE POLYS



This is the chart of the alleged last sighting of 13 year old Hailey Dunn, Colorado City, Texas.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HaileyDunnLastSeensmall.jpg

**(analysis of this chart was originally posted prior to actually posting the chart itself-see just below this copied post)

I also note that in this chart, MARS the Perp (Lord 7) is Out of Bounds. This suggests the Perp was 'out of control' and since MARS squares SATURN, close and applying, we fear the Perp was particularly cruel and aggressive, perhaps brutal.

Unfortunately, Event MARS (15 Capricorn) partile opposes Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position) with Event SATURN squaring natal MOON's position, and, as mentioned previously, Event JUPITER Lord 8 of Death conjuncts Hailey's secondary progressed MOON.


Thanks,
Soulscape


This child was allegedly Last Seen by her Mother's Boyfriend at approx. 3:15 pm on Monday, 12/27/2010 in Colorado City, TX.

Just a very quick glance at the chart causes me to fear the worst. This little girl is dead, raped and murdered.

100:51 W
32:23 N
TZ 6 (CST)
Colorado City, TX

ASC 29:45 Taurus
SUN 06:00 Capricorn
MOO 02:08 Libra
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29 Taurus rises, thus ALCYONE the Weeping Sisters rises, and ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens hovers ominously above the ASCENDANT in the 12th House of Misfortune, Sorrow and Woe.

Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) sits in the unfortunate 6th House of the chart at 19 Scorpio -- the exact degree of SERPENTIS, the cursed degree of the cursed sign.

VENUS separates from sextile (opportunity) to MARS Lord 7 the Perp.

MARS in Capricorn suggests a man, perhaps age 25-40, rather than a young teen boy. MARS the Perp is sesquisquare the ASCENDANT (Hailey), suggesting possibly an uncomfortable relationship. That there actually is a relationship between Hailey and the Perp is suggested by the fact Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) is in the sign and triplicity of MARS Lord 7 the Perp, while MARS the Perp is in the triplicity of Lord 1 VENUS. MARS the Perp squares SATURN, closely, and applying, suggesting the Perp is cruel, perhaps brutal.

SUN the Event in 8th House of Death just past exact conjunction with PLUTO (rape/death). The Event is based on something to do with the House with Leo on the cusp, here the 4th House, a House of Endings and specifically the End of the Matter.

Part of DEATH 22 Leo, the degree of being one's own worst enemy, as well as 22 of any sign being the 'kill or be killed' degree according to Serbian Astrologer Nikola Stojanovic.

MOON is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES) foretelling a catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality, and exactly square them. Also, MOON squares SUN conjunct PLUTO. The action (MOON) occurred in the near neighborhood (Cancer on 3rd House cusp).

MOON opposes JUPITER Lord 8 of Death. It is a MOON Day, JUPITER Hour...


Arabic Part Analysis (partial):

MURDER1 18 Leo squares VENUS Lord 1 (Hailey)

RAPE1 00 Pisces inconjuncts MOON

RAPE2 29:44 Scorpio trines URANUS conj. JUPITER, sextiles the MOON (easy, sudden opportunity) and partile conjuncts DESCENDANT 7th House Cusp within 1 minute of Arc. 7th House Cusp symbolizes the Perp, and with RAPE2 partile conjunct, the motivation.

With Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) at SERPENTIS 19 Scorpio, amongst the many other dire testimonies, I highly doubt the poor child is still with us.

A chart comparison to Hailey's natal (sunrise) and Secondary Progressed charts shows MARS the Perp partile opposed her natal MOON, and transit ASCENDANT opposed her natal PLUTO.

The Event Chart MIDHEAVEN 11 Aquarius is partile inconjunct Hailey's natal MERCURY 11 Virgo RX, ruler of her natal SUN.

Additionally Event Chart Lord 8 of Death JUPITER conjuncts Hailey's Secondary Progressed MOON.

Charts will be supplied this evening...

In the meantime, if anyone can provide the Mother's BF's birth data, I would appreciate it. We will not be posting the charts of anyone not noted in the mainstream news as being interrogated/a POI/or Suspect.
As with all cases, we start with those closest to the missing person, person(s) who last saw them and work our way out.

Sadly,
Soulscape



TUBA 1/9/11 post #55

*http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HAILEYdunnLASTSEEN12710TUBA.jpg

What I see when I look at this case is that the scene is not really as presented. There is an event, Sun-Pluto in the 8th House that is within the home, Sun ruling House 4 as it does. Venus. significator of an event that is "something to weep about" (Pleiades on the ASC) is not saying goodbye or even banging the door and leaving without saying goodbye. She is weaker than she has ever been in her life, helpless and unable to act in her own behalf, Venus in detriment in the House of no power, 6. She lacks capacity in this Sign so foreign to her nature and is overwhelmed by it: the Sign of Scorpio, repeating the deadly theme of House 8. She sorely feels the distance between her and her mom or dad who could save her. (Planets in exile are aware of that separation from family & loved ones, always.) In Water, she is mute and there is no scream.

Venus is disposited by Mars and Pluto who loom from deadly House 8, one more stress on that note. But Mars is not energetic, initiating, go get 'em Mars. He is squaring Saturn and in vicious dynamic, cruel, savage. He and Saturn are in Cardinal affliction to Hailey's Saturn, Venus and Moon. She cannot hold out against the onslaught. She daily lived with the Mars of another blighting her Moon.

The activity of the event, Moon early in Libra, squares the Sun for male-female conflict but the Sun is outdone, overshadowed by the power thrust of Pluto who lunges at the child in House 5. And, as Soulscape told us, that Moon child is at the degree of the nodes: a casualty, a fatality.

Things had been bad for a long time. Saturn sat on Hailey's Venus starting November and she was born with the rejection opposition of Venus afflicted by Saturn at 19°Aries. The Sun is exalted on that degree but when Saturn is on it, he is in extreme FALL, at his worst.

All of this occurred at a time when we were under a solar eclipse that hit her Moon (directly opposite from 13:39 Capricorn) and smarting from the closing square of Mars and Saturn which perfected on 29 December. Hailey's natal T-Square was suddenly filled by the transit of Mars to become a Cardinal Cross.

The House where we look for law enforcement action bears the degree of ARREST, so that action is coming. Hey, the Sun is squaring it today! Mercury conjoins Pluto of the event, January 18.

Notice on this chart that Saturn in the House of the child is square to Mars edging toward House 9. Saturn is also on the edge, of course. When a planet if seen as falling off the cusp of House 9 it means that individual is about to make or take a secret trip, so that is what actually happened here. Mars rules the adversary House 7 for the missing child, Venus ruled Taurus.

Notice also the ruler of the deadly House 8 is found in House 11 of unbonded relationships conjunct Uranus of shock value and sudden explosive happenings.



TUBA 1/10/11 post #65
The Moon only had 52' to go before she would pass on to 3° Libra. We know of a certainty that casualty occurred during the Moon's passage through the second degree of Libra because she was identical to the nodes. If the disabled Venus, Hailey, by a Gifford's miracle, survived the confrontation with 630 and left, her fate was sealed despite escape because she would have headed right into Saturn square Mars. The Moon was moving at 35.2'/hr that day, so Hailey only had until 4:03 to get away although injured and in sorry condition but she would have next been square Pluto, then Sun but at the solstice point, by then, of the House 8 ruler. Following that was conjunction to Saturn afflicted by Mars. So there really was no exit.




Key charts in a Missing Person case include the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING.

Both charts should tell a similar story and when they don't, it is a clue to the Astrologer that she or he should dig deeper. Often the discrepancy can be attributed to the fact (usually ascertained much later in the case) that the LAST SEEN is corrupted --- either because the time is misreported or because the person who claims to have last seen the victim is lying.

In the Hailey Dunn case, both the LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING charts give the same sickening testimony.





http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/HaileyDunnReportedMissingwcallouts.gif





[Note: There is no need to insert the Mother, reporter of the Missing Person, into the chart. We can either take Lord 1 (VENUS) to represent Hailey or Lord 5 of Children, MERCURY. Actually, the testimony of one should support the other, and I will examine both.]


ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens, sits partile conjunct the ASCENDANT at 26 Taurus. ALGOL symbolizes 'losing one's head,' either literally or figuratively, and bodes no good news.

ASCENDANT Ruler Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, same as in the LAST SEEN chart, in detriment (in the sign opposite her rulership), and just 23 minutes past exact semisquare to PLUTO, co-Lord 7 the Perp and natural co-Lord of the 8th House of Death on the natural wheel (Aries Rising). VENUS (Hailey) is similarly semisquare SUN, and due to placement, sign and aspect, in bad condition.

The SUN symbolizes the Event. Here, at 07 Capricorn, it is posited in the 8th House of Death wedged between two malefics, PLUTO and MARS. The Event is based on something ruled by the House with Leo on its cusp, here, the 4th House. In addition to endings and the grave, the 4th House is the home and the sign Leo symbolizes children in general.

The MOON 16 Libra symbolizes the Action and like Lord 1 VENUS, is posited in the unfortunate 6th House, partile (in the same degree) conjunct SATURN, a death marker.

The Action (MOON) is based on something ruled by the House with Cancer on its cusp: here the 3rd House of the Near Neighborhood. The Arabic Part of DEATH 02:58 Leo in the 3rd House is parallel (acts as a conjunction) the ASCENDANT and is disposited by the SUN in the 8th House of Death. The Part of DEATH is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), confirming a tragedy/ catastrophe/ fatality. These testimonies give a sense whatever happened to Hailey happened very close to home.

Note that the 3rd House Cusp degree, 15 Cancer, is conjunct the Arabic Part of TREACHERY 16 Cancer, and is the position of Hailey Dunn's natal MOON (sunrise position). In this Reported Missing chart, MOON last squared MARS (Lord 7 the Perp and Turned Lord 8 of Death of the 5th House Child) and next conjuncts SATURN. Also keep in mind that MARS 15 Capricorn partile opposes Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position).


*****

There would be good cause to consider MERCURY, Lord 5 of Children, as Hailey's marker as well. We see 07 Virgo on the 5th House of Children cusp and Hailey's natal SUN is posited at 05 Virgo.

In the Reported Missing Chart, MERCURY is Retrograde at 19 Sagittarius in the radix 7th House / Turned 3rd House of Near Neighborhood, close square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN (18 Virgo) and partile square her secondary progressed NODES (19 Virgo/Pisces). Because retrogradation suggests 'poor condition' / 'damaged' / 'returned in a damaged condition' and Fateful Degree placements indicate tragedy/catastrophe/fatality, we are getting more testimony that this case is not going to have a happy ending.

***I note that Asteroid SEAN is posited at 19:38 Pisces, the same degree and sign as Hailey's secondary progressed SOUTH NODE, and partile square MERCURY RX the 5th House Child 19 Sagittarius and close trine Lord 1 VENUS 20 Scorpio in the Reported Missing chart. FWIW, approx. twenty four hours earlier at the time of the alleged LAST SEEN, Asteroid SEAN was partile trine Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) conjunct SERPENTIS, both at 19 Scorpio, and closely square Lord 5 of Children MERCURY 20 Sagittarius RX. While Asteroid testimonies cannot in any way be considered an indictment of a certain male, they certainly strongly support the urgent need for further questioning.

Thanks,
Soulscape


Of the 12 signs of the Zodiac, Pisces is most associated with lies, delusion and deceit. Seeing this sign on the ASCENDANT of the Polygraph chart could make a forensic Astrologer go 'Hmmmmm.'

As many of you know, Pisces is considered a double-bodied sign and is represented by two fish swimming in opposite directions. The sign is co-ruled by JUPITER (traditional ruler) and NEPTUNE (modern ruler). While JUPITER is often associated with truth and justice, NEPTUNE symbolizes lies, deceit, illusion, smoke & mirrors.

So what are we looking at here, truth or lies? Our first clue, the Rising Sign, leaves us scratching our collective heads & wondering which way is up.


http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/Soulscape12/Case%20Briefings/Polygraph.gif




As we continue our examination, the polygraph chart becomes more interesting. Pisces (deceit, lies) rises, and the Arabic Part of DECEIT , 09 Sagittarius, closely squares the ASCENDANT (SA). This makes me wonder if SA is lying.

The testimony 3rd House has a critical degree on its cusp --- 21 Fixed ---showing just how critical SA's testimony may be to this case. But why does the 3rd House of Testimony also contain ADMETOS, a death marker, ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens,and MURDER1,all close opposed Lord 3 of Testimony VENUS, which itself is partile conjunct the Arabic Part of DEATH, 28 Scorpio?

[Recall VENUS = Hailey in Last Seen. In this Polygraph chart, VENUS is Lord 8 of Death as well as Lord 3 of Testimony, as well as the natural significator of a young girl.]

Now in fairness, these placements could mean nothing more than SA's testimony (3rd House matter) is critical (21 Fixed on cusp) to the investigation, and that the polygraph (3rd House matter) itself is given to SA in the hopes of ascertaining whether the missing child is dead or alive (among other things).

But let's continue...

Lord 3 of Testimony VENUS trines Lord 1 JUPITER (SA), suggesting truth while co-Lord 1 NEPTUNE (SA) squares VENUS (testimony) suggesting lies.

Confused yet?

RAPE1 29:20 Aquarius conjuncts NEPTUNE Co-Lord 1 (SA) and squares VENUS (Lord 3, Lord 8, natural significator of a young girl and significator of Hailey in Last Seen chart). RAPE1 also partile squares the Last Seen ASCENDANT 29 Taurus....

The Part of FEMALE CHILD 06 Capricorn conjuncts PLUTO 05 Capricorn possibly suggesting destruction and/or rape/kidnapping, if not murder.

The End of the Matter Lord 4 is MERCURY (also the natural significator of testimony), here at 22 Sagittarius, the 'kill or be killed' degree, partile trine the Part of DEATH 22 Leo in the Last Seen chart. MERCURY as natural significator of testimony as well as Lord 4 End of the Matter squares JUPITER 27 Pisces (Lord 1 Shawn). This gives another suggestion of deceit.

Before MOON leaves her sign, she will conjunct NEPTUNE (lies in general, Co-Lord 1 SA) and square VENUS (testimony Lord 3, Lord 8 of Death, natural significator of a young girl, and the significator of Hailey in the Last Seen chart), partile conjunct the Arabic Part of DEATH at 28 Scorpio.

Asteroid evidence includes Asteroid HALLEY at 06 Capricorn conjunct the Part of the FEMALE CHILD and PLUTO, as well as Asteroid SHAWNA at 02 Cancer, in the same degree as the NODES, and partile square the MOON 02 Libra in the Last Seen Chart.

Is the chart simply mirroring that SA was in fact there, actually saw Haleigh leave her house at approx. 3:15 pm on 12/27/2010?

My overall sense is that the polygraph results are ambivalent and difficult to assess. There is likely some truth, some lies, and the challenge to authorities will be in deciphering which is which. End of the Matter Lord 4 MERCURY in the 'kill or be killed' 22nd degree of a double-bodied sign (talking out of both sides of the mouth) square Lord 1 JUPITER (SA) in another double-bodied sign (and the sign most associated with deceit and lies at that) certainly suggests to me that SA should be carefully looked at and perhaps questioned more than once.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
01-12-2011, 06:52 PM
Taped interview w/mother regarding affidavit release.
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/raw-video-mother-billie-jean-dunn-speaks-out-about/

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No comments unless astrologically related. Otherwise, general comments and opinions should go out in the Missing Persons Thread for HAILEY:
TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #17 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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Clint Dunn Says He Thinks Billie Wouldn't Hurt Their Daughter
By Jacqueline Hince, KTXS News
POSTED: 1:49 pm CST January 12, 2011
snip:
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26469659/detail.html
Clint Dunn, however, said he’s known Billie Dunn for 20 years, and he said he doesn’t think she would hurt their child.

“It scares me to death,” he said. “I didn’t sleep last night. I read the KTXS story a half dozen times.”
At Billie Dunn’s house, a woman who answered the door said Billie Dunn would not be speaking to KTXS.
Connie Jones, Clint Dunn’s mother and Hailey’s grandmother, was asked whether, in her gut, she thought Hailey was alive. She replied, “No.”
However, she added she’s not giving up hope.

passionflower
01-12-2011, 08:00 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26472310/detail.html

Shawn Adkins Is Now A Person Of Interest In Hailey Dunn's Disappearance

Tuba
01-12-2011, 08:16 PM
Good!

Soulscape
01-12-2011, 09:27 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26472310/detail.html

Shawn Adkins Is Now A Person Of Interest In Hailey Dunn's Disappearance


Good!


Hallelujah!



~~Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-12-2011, 10:49 PM
From post 103:


BD's chart also shows severe afflictions. She has SUN square SATURN, opposite URANUS, inconjunct NEPTUNE, inconjunct PLUTO.

Actually, her SUN is focal point of Yod to NEPTUNE sextile PLUTO.

She's got both VENUS and MARS opposite PLUTO. Her MOON 27 Scorpio (sunrise) may be widely opposed her SUN, with MOON semisquare PLUTO.

BD's prenatal Lunar eclipse degree is 14 Libra, which Event MOON conjuncted on her way to exact conjunction with SATURN 16 Libra in the Reported Missing chart.


There is also a fascinating array of astrological formations

A Kite with Pluto at the Apex connecting Saturn, Neptune and Venus as well a Mystic Rectangle (Pluto, Moon, Venus and Jupiter)
A 2nd Kite with Moon Venus/Mars Jupiter and Saturn with Jupiter at the apex of this kite.
A Yod (finger of God) with Sun, Pluto & Neptune

Pluto does oppose Mars with Mars in Aries, yet there is nothing in her natal chart (time of her birth unknown to me) that speaks of violence towards her own child. Nothing that I can see yet Lachisis (picking the time of one’s death) is curiously attached to her natal UranusAssociated with crime and abductions and disappearance.

I think there is also a shadow-self unknown to her, called the Black Moon Lilith which shadows this Uranus/Lachesis in Scorpio. see below comment

There is also no question that she’d be involved in life with some fantastic and rather regular disappearances of people she loves, with all the Uranus in harsh squares - oppositions and quincunx aspects.
She probably did not have a very strong father figure herself. (Sun opposed to Uranus) Neptune and seeing clearly without dependence on medications is probably a sad weak point in the psyche as is seen by the choice of men in her life.

But to me the most fascinating part of her natal chart is that asteroid Lachesis (rx) is located at 9 degrees Scorpio 34minutes when she was born.
It conjuncts her Uranus (rx) 9 degrees 34minutes Scorpio and they are only 5 minutes apart in her natal chart! Incredible and mind boggling at the same time (imo)

But yet, here it is. I don’t think I’ve ever seen another like it.

Another telltale sign of the current nightmare she is living, is her Black Moon Lilith being conjunct the Weeping Sisters at 1Gemini and opposing her Moon. Lilith is very strong in Gemini, said to be the sign of Lilith’s exaltation.


According to Mae Wilson-Ludlam, she says, look to the house and place of Mercury to understand one with BML in Gemini.

The more negative characteristics according to Ludlam is for Gemini, nervousness with excessive interests, superficiality, lacking morals, little patience, talkative , multi-directions
(from Lilith in the Signs)

in the Weeping Sisters yet! :(

Andromeda
01-12-2011, 11:22 PM
Break Down of Adkins Inconsistencies Told To Investigators
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26472929/detail.html

snippet:
ABILENE, Texas -- Information in affidavits about where Billie's boyfriend Shawn Adkins was has everyone trying to fit the puzzle pieces together.
Adkins was reported to be the last person to see Hailey in Colorado City, but phone records place him in Big Spring from 9 AM through 2:30 and by that time Hailey had already been reported missing.
The affidavit says Adkins told authorities numerous other inconsistencies, for example, the affidavit states Adkins told investigators he was fired from his job in Snyder the morning Hailey went missing. His employer says that was untrue and Adkins left his job at 6:10 AM without saying a word.
Adkins also said when he left work he headed to Big Spring, 50 miles southwest of Snyder, but phone records show he wasn't in the Big Spring area until 9:30 that morning which leaves a nearly three hour gap in his whereabouts.
So where was Adkins during this time?
Witnesses say they saw Hailey's mom Billie Jean leave for work at 6:20 AM. While his phone records put him at the home between 6:35 AM and 6:56 AM, a time Hailey would have been home alone.

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This account pretty much fills in the blanks re Soulscape's and Tuba's charts.

Thank you, LeoMoon, too, for colouring BD's personality a little more for us. It describes quite clearly what we see in the URL posted by FifthEssence

Amazing stuff to say the least! You're all aspirational!

FifthEssence
01-13-2011, 08:11 PM
In an effort to remain on topic-ASTROLOGY- I again request no comments in response to this news release unless astrologically related. Otherwise, general comments and opinions should go out in the Missing Persons Thread for HAILEY:
TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #20 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



http://abcnews.go.com/US/shawn-adkins-named-person-interst-case-missing-texas/story?id=12608537

By JESSICA HOPPER
Jan. 13, 2011

Hailey Dunn, the Texas girl missing for nearly three weeks, was scared of her mother's boyfriend Shawn Adkins, and said he would stand in the doorway of her bedroom at night watching her.

"Hailey did not like him. She was afraid of him and she didn't want him there," Hailey's paternal grandmother, Connie Jones, told ABCNews.com today.

Zoe Bogart
01-14-2011, 12:14 PM
Break Down of Adkins Inconsistencies Told To Investigators
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26472929/detail.html


Witnesses say they saw Hailey's mom Billie Jean leave for work at 6:20 AM. While [U]his phone records put him at the home between 6:35 AM and 6:56 AM, a time Hailey would have been home alone.


Curiosity got the best of me and I ran a chart for 6:35 AM.

Using the Arabic Parts, I found:

Part of Death & Disaster is conj. Saturn at 14 Libra 24 in the 10th house.
Part of Tragedy & Fatality is conj. Moon 29 Virgo 55 in the 9th house (cadent).
Part of Danger & Violence is 22 Aquarius 56 in the 2nd house.
Part of Sudden & Drastic change is 10 Pisces 49 in the 3rd house.
Part of Catastrophe is also in the 3rd house (cadent) at 10 Pisces 21.

Moon in the 9th house (cadent) opposes both Jupiter and Uranus in the 3rd house (cadent), which also oppose the MC.

Pisces and Virgo are intercepted in the 3rd and 9th houses, respectively.

Lots of oppositions and squares between planets, N Node, AC, MC in the 1st, 3rd, 9th, and 10th houses.

FifthEssence
01-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Review this post by TUBA who explains the assault transitions and resulting casualty based on the Last Seen chart.



The Moon only had 52' to go before she would pass on to 3° Libra. We know of a certainty that casualty occurred during the Moon's passage through the second degree of Libra because she was identical to the nodes. If the disabled Venus, Hailey, by a Gifford's miracle, survived the confrontation with 630 and left, her fate was sealed despite escape because she would have headed right into Saturn square Mars. The Moon was moving at 35.2'/hr that day, so Hailey only had until 4:03 to get away although injured and in sorry condition but she would have next been square Pluto, then Sun but at the solstice point, by then, of the House 8 ruler. Following that was conjunction to Saturn afflicted by Mars. So there really was no exit.

Soulscape
01-14-2011, 01:20 PM
Curiosity got the best of me and I ran a chart for 6:35 AM.

Using the Arabic Parts, I found:

Part of Death & Disaster is conj. Saturn at 14 Libra 24 in the 10th house.
Part of Tragedy & Fatality is conj. Moon 29 Virgo 55 in the 9th house (cadent).
Part of Danger & Violence is 22 Aquarius 56 in the 2nd house.
Part of Sudden & Drastic change is 10 Pisces 49 in the 3rd house.
Part of Catastrophe is also in the 3rd house (cadent) at 10 Pisces 21.

Moon in the 9th house (cadent) opposes both Jupiter and Uranus in the 3rd house (cadent), which also oppose the MC.

Pisces and Virgo are intercepted in the 3rd and 9th houses, respectively.

Lots of oppositions and squares between planets, N Node, AC, MC in the 1st, 3rd, 9th, and 10th houses.




Hello Aksleuth,

Your findings are of interest. I note the ASCENDANT of the chart you cast is 19 Sagittarius --- the same exact degree of MERCURY RX a day and a half later when it represents Lord 5 the Child (Hailey) in the REPORTED MISSING chart.



To quote myself (with edits to highlight pertinent information) :


In the Reported Missing Chart, MERCURY is Retrograde at 19 Sagittarius ... close square Hailey's secondary progressed SUN (18 Virgo) and partile square her secondary progressed NODES (19 Virgo/Pisces). Because retrogradation suggests 'poor condition' / 'damaged' / 'returned in a damaged condition' and Fateful Degree placements indicate tragedy/catastrophe/fatality, we are getting more testimony that this case is not going to have a happy ending.

***I note that Asteroid SEAN is posited at 19:38 Pisces, the same degree and sign as Hailey's secondary progressed SOUTH NODE, and partile square MERCURY RX the 5th House Child 19 Sagittarius and close trine Lord 1 VENUS 20 Scorpio in the Reported Missing chart. ...
...
In the 12-27-2010 6:35 am chart, Hailey, the partner's daughter (5th from the 7th), falls in the radix 11th House of Circumstances Beyond One's Control --- VENUS at 19 Scorpio, i.e. SERPENTIS.

The 11th House is also associated with Death in the Family (8th from the 4th).

Hailey Dunn was doomed.

As Tuba pointed out earlier, there really was no way out for her.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Zoe Bogart
01-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Thanks for Tuba's quote, Fifth. I read that last night and it was chilling. My point about 6:35 AM, which I didn't mention above, is that things may have begun brewing at that time, probably even long before then, but something triggered the beginning of the end. Opportunity, perhaps.

The success rate here convinces me to never doubt our astrologers. :wink:

Tuba
01-14-2011, 02:05 PM
The mask avocation & hobby is for me, a fetish and I associate it with psychopathology. Take a look on the web at "Changes in Appearance and Psychosis" by psychiatrists Campo, Nijman and Merckelbach. He resorted to the masks in a strange & gleeful way after Hailey went missing. He may even feel an identification with Maskers as a group, due to his Aquarian Jupiter sextile Uranus in Sagittarius, a mutual reception which is exact. Masks help him control his anxiety levels because he can physically CHANGE FACE. This fits tightly with his mental complex, the Mercury quincunx Neptune but square Pluto: just cover the exposure, Mercury, with an illusion, Neptune and presto, you're transformed, Pluto.

nursebeeme
01-14-2011, 05:25 PM
landfill in Abilene being searched by cadaver dogs...

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/14/shawn-adkins-declared-suspect-case-hailey-dunn/


cadaver dogs have hit on an area in an Abilene dump where Colorado City's garbage has previously been discarded. Trash, picked up during the time that Hailey Dunn has been missing, was confirmed to have been dumped in that area by the trash service.

Investigators in the missing girl's case will begin an excavation of the site immediately.

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/cadaver-dogs-lead-investigators-abilene-dump

twomanywords
01-14-2011, 07:34 PM
The mask avocation & hobby is for me, a fetish and I associate it with psychopathology. Take a look on the web at "Changes in Appearance and Psychosis" by psychiatrists Campo, Nijman and Merckelbach. He resorted to the masks in a strange & gleeful way after Hailey went missing. He may even feel an identification with Maskers as a group, due to his Aquarian Jupiter sextile Uranus in Sagittarius, a mutual reception which is exact. Masks help him control his anxiety levels because he can physically CHANGE FACE. This fits tightly with his mental complex, the Mercury quincunx Neptune but square Pluto: just cover the exposure, Mercury, with an illusion, Neptune and presto, you're transformed, Pluto.
Tuba, Thank you! This is very interesting as I studied his face over and over last night on the Nancy G show and paused the screen to observe...A mask like appearance to his face, pleasant to look at, and no show of emotions except for a slight upturned upper lip. It seems that he doesn't show a normal human response in the eye area for what would be a tragedy that had occurred while on his watch. Perhaps the masks allow him the ability to show his true emotions, that if we were privy to, would scare the pants off anyone of us. He looks remarkably pleased in some way, as well as calm as a cucumber.

Zoe Bogart
01-14-2011, 07:53 PM
Cadaver Dogs Search Abilene Landfill For Hailey Dunn
By Jocelyn Tovar, KTXS News

Shawn Adkins, former live-in boyfriend of Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, is the only named suspect in the case, which has now been declared almost completely a criminal investigation – rather than a missing person's case as it was previously termed by law enforcement authorities.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26496786/detail.html


I've seen this written before, so does this mean we can now discuss his chart openly?

Not being snarky, just asking.

FifthEssence
01-14-2011, 07:57 PM
For those who have not been following this thread since Hailey went missing, know that this POI has been discussed quite a few times (had been referred to as '630' /'MALE'/'Male630'), not limited to what points to his participation but the nature of the animal as well.


SUNRISE NATAL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/SASunriseNATAL.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL LAST SEEN

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/Tri-Wheel-LastSeen.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL REPORTED MISSING
(this Tri-Wheel was discussed in depth earlier)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/haileyTRIwHEELreportedMISSINGsADKINSsmall.jpg

katydid23
01-14-2011, 09:16 PM
SUNRISE NATAL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/SASunriseNATAL.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL LAST SEEN

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/Tri-Wheel-LastSeen.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL REPORTED MISSING
(this Tri-Wheel was discussed in depth earlier)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5987614&postcount=61)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/haileyTRIwHEELreportedMISSINGsADKINSsmall.jpg

The exact Mercury / Pluto square @ 1 degree Leo/Scorpio really stands out to me. I can see how he could be charming, with that Sun/Neptune opposition and the Cancerian influence, which might make people see him as sweet and sensitive and harmless. But the Mercury exactly square Pluto in the first degree of those fixed signs can be very domineering, controlling, inflexible and even sadistic. He would be very insistent and patient, yet single minded in getting his desires met.

Also, his Cancerian Sun and Mars may want to look tougher and more masculine by shouting out in those Mercury in Leo masculine voices. That may also be where those masks come into play---to hide any fears of not being masculine enough.

marlame
01-16-2011, 12:14 AM
In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla

marlame
01-16-2011, 02:25 AM
We are not naming names but I trust you know of whom we speak.

The tri-wheel below shows the REPORTED MISSING wheel in the center, surrounded by Hailey Dunn's natal chart (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at Event location) and the natal chart of the last person to have allegedly seen her (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at location of Event).

I have made several call-outs which I hope to clarify in commentary below this chart.

The abbreviation SP in the call-outs stands for 'Secondary Progressed'.

PNE = Prenatal Eclipse

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/haileyTRIwHEELreportedMISSINGsADKINSsmall.jpg




In her posts above, Tuba has already delineated important interaspects between the charts of Hailey Dunn and MALE630, as well as interactions with the alleged LAST SEEN. I will try not to repeat her observations, but instead, add to them.

As mentioned in previous postings, the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts are similar in that they both exhibit a late degree of Taurus Rising and place Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) in the unfortunate 6th House. Planetary movement over a 24 hour period is slight. MOON has moved from 02 Libra (House 5) in the LAST SEEN to 16 Libra (House 6 in the REPORTED MISSING.

You may recall the 02 Libra MOON placement in the LAST SEEN is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality. The 16 Libra MOON position in the REPORTED MISSING is partile (same degree) conjunct Event SATURN, a death marker, and close square Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position), which is unfortunately afflicted by its uncomfortably close conjunction to MALE630's natal MARS (aggression), 13 Cancer.


*****

Recall the LAST SEEN ASCENDANT degree of 29 Taurus, on ALCYONE, the Weeping Sisters giving something to cry about, while the REPORTED MISSING chart shows 26 Taurus, partile conjunct ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens and associated with losing one's head, literally or figuratively. Notice the positions of MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse (28:50 Taurus) and Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29:27 Taurus. We could certainly say they are smack thereon both Ascendants...


*****

MALE630 has secondary progressed SUN at 02 Leo, partile conjunct REPORTED MISSING Part of DEATH, which itself is (1) in Fateful Degree and (2) partile opposed Event TORO (brutality) 02:19 Aquarius (not shown). His secondary progressed MARS is tightly conjunct, posited at 00 Leo, exact square to Hailey's secondary progressed CHIRON (wounding) 00:53 Scorpio.

REPORTED MISSING SUN/MOON midpoint (not shown) is 26 Scorpio: exactly on House 7 cusp (the perp), exactly opposite the ASCENDANT 26 Taurus (Hailey), close opposed MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse - natal TORO conjunction.

MALE630's secondary progressed MOON (based on sunrise natal) at 16 Scorpio conjuncts the weak and helpless Hailey, VENUS 20 Scorpio. Twenty four hours earlier, the conjunction was tighter with VENUS - Hailey at 19 Scorpio, partile conjunct SERPENTIS, the cursed degree of the cursed sign.

As mentioned in a previous post, Event Asteroid SEAN at 19 Pisces partile squares Event Lord 5 the Child MERCURY (Hailey) 19 Sagittarius and close opposes Hailey's secondary progressed SUN at 18 Virgo. Event Asteroid SEAN also close conjuncts Hailey's prenatal solar eclipse degree, 18:30 Pisces.

Needless to say, the interaspects amongst the charts are disturbing in the highest degree.



Thanks,
Soulscape[/quote]

Hi Soulscape, I found an asteroid named Dunn (13849). I didn't know if this would be useful or not but I thought it was interesting.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=13849+Dunn

Asteroid Dunn was Discovered 1999 Dec. 7 by the Lincoln Laboratory Near-Earth Asteroid Research Team at Socorro.
Named in honor of Deborah A. Dunn for mentoring a finalist in the 2001 Discovery Young Scientist Challenge (DYSC), a middle school science competition. Dunn is a teacher at the Mesa Union Junior High School, Somis, California.

marlame
01-16-2011, 02:32 AM
In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6016445&postcount=462)


They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla

Sorry to Quote myself...I tried to edit my earlier post to add this, but I could no longer edit.

Here is another link posted by sarx (Post #465)for you to a map showing an "arc" of the 12 mile range in the N NW area:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks!!

Tuba
01-16-2011, 12:58 PM
When Hailey vanished on December 27, asteroid DUNN was 4°52'06" Sagittarius. By the time the two girls who had walked with her were interviewed, Venus of young girls was there. What this may indicate is just that the subject of the interview was Hailey. That's due to the last name Dunn also being the name of the town in Scurry County. But the town has a part to play in Adkins' movements too: see posts from January 8. It appears you have already read them. Since we allow our imagination free range with these asteroids, I take heart from the cadaver dogs at the dump site because Mercury was 20°06' Sagittarius and ruled Hailey in the last seen and that is the placement of asteroid Beagle!

passionflower
01-16-2011, 01:06 PM
Tuba,
Thanks for this info.
I went back and read all of Jan 8th. So LE is close but haven't found Hailey.
If I read correctly, 2 hits by dogs, but nothing.
LE has left the landfill search.
Could they have missed her there???

Beedorahdee999
01-17-2011, 12:39 AM
I am just wondering how come the place and time of birth is not being considered.

Tuba
01-17-2011, 12:05 PM
Why don't you consider it for us, Beedorahdee999? We don't have it.

Leomoon80
01-17-2011, 12:53 PM
I am just wondering how come the place and time of birth is not being considered.

As mentioned, we don't have it to consider, yet IF you do, I would be more then happy to then erect a new natal chart for the Ascendent and houses for Hailey Dunn.

More often then not, we aren't privvy to such personal information, unless a relative comes on line to give it to us.,or perhaps a close friend.

SagMoonRising
01-17-2011, 02:01 PM
Does anyone have an account with this site?

Maybe it could help to try to find her place and time of birth?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=BMD_BIRTH&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-123&gsfn=hailey&gsln=dunn&msbdy=1997&msmng0=billy&uidh=000&msbdd=28&msbdm=8&_83004003-n_xcl=m

sagmoonrising

Soulscape
01-17-2011, 02:52 PM
To those of you concerned regarding Hailey Dunn's time and place of birth:

It is very rare that we are provided with or can recover the victim's time of birth; less rare that we can obtain place of birth. However, in over 14 years working with astrology charts from a forensic perspective, I have found time and again that the natal chart constructed with SUN at ASCENDANT degree for the Event location provides uncanny, and often startling accurate insights.

In the few instances where true time and place of birth is presented to us, we are naturally overjoyed and immediately cast the corrected natal chart.

To the natal Astrologers here reading, please keep in mind that the forensic and horary methods I employ on this Forum are somewhat different from, and more expansive than, what you may be used to employing in your own practice.

I cannot comment on the methods that 'work' for other astrologers, but only tell you what works for me.

Thanks,
Soulscape

FifthEssence
01-17-2011, 03:41 PM
In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6016445&postcount=462)

They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla


Sorry to Quote myself...I tried to edit my earlier post to add this, but I could no longer edit.

Here is another link posted by sarx (Post #465)for you to a map showing an "arc" of the 12 mile range in the N NW area:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6016470&postcount=465)

Thanks!!

I just received a communication from Soulscape.

SOULSCAPE WROTE:

'this is speculative at best although I sincerely pray it will be helpful. I will try to get back to our sleuths later this evening with add'l thoughts if I feel I can expand on the following.'

Her significator VENUS in the cadent 6th House in both the Last Seen and
Reported Missing. Definitely hard to find. VENUS in Scorpio suggests water/
smelly/ dankly place. Part of Death was in Leo --- near some kind of
entertainment area? playground? gambling casino, etc?

Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by
MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question.

Beedorahdee999
01-17-2011, 08:12 PM
Does anyone have an account with this site?

Maybe it could help to try to find her place and time of birth?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=BMD_BIRTH&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-123&gsfn=hailey&gsln=dunn&msbdy=1997&msmng0=billy&uidh=000&msbdd=28&msbdm=8&_83004003-n_xcl=m

sagmoonrising

According to that site all it says is that HD was born in Scurry, that could just be the county and not the town, although the county is close to track it is not exact and could be something to work with. I have studied natal astrology for many years and if I knew more about the girl her personality etc I could probably give you a good guess on what time I think she was born, have done that with other people and have been told I was right.

I have looked at a couple of the charts displayed where someone has put Death on the outside and to me it suggests that it happened between noon and 2pm on the day she was supposedly seen missing at 3:15 and the other around 2am. If I knew her time of birth I could give a closer time.

She can't possibly be seen alive if death occurred at either of those times.

Beedorahdee999
01-17-2011, 08:46 PM
I just received a communication from Soulscape.

SOULSCAPE WROTE:

Her significator VENUS in the cadent 6th House in both the Last Seen and
Reported Missing. Definitely hard to find. VENUS in Scorpio suggests water/
smelly/ dankly place. Part of Death was in Leo --- near some kind of
entertainment area? playground? gambling casino, etc?

Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by
MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question.[/B][/COLOR]

Since I deal with natal astrology and am familiar with that and have worked with the wheel as if it was a clock to me the 6th house would represent between 4pm and 6pm so I think that instead of Venus being in the 6th house it should be in the 5th, and that is just working with the supposedly 3:15 last seen time. If we are to adjust it accordingly that would move everything one house back and might give us better clues and possibly her birth time. This is just my opinion and maybe it will help hopefully.

Zoe Bogart
01-17-2011, 08:52 PM
I'm a member of Ancestry.com, and have been for years. The Texas birth records listed on Ancestry only give the county of birth, not the town or time. Syder, Texas, is the County Seat of Scurry County. There's a good chance she was born in Snyder since many of the family live there.

We've been hindered before by not even knowing that much, and our wonderful astrologers here have been able to give us wonderfully accurate information in spite of the lack of exact information.

Of course, any additional information helps.

I tend to believe the only accurate last seen time was about 9 PM on Sunday when her brother says he last saw her.

How does that work in your calculations, Beedorahdee999?

9PM Last Seen Chart puts Mercury, N. Node, Pluto, Sun, and Mars in the 5th house; Neptune, Chiron, and BML in the 7th; Uranus and Jupiter in the 8th. It's interesting.

Beedorahdee999
01-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?

Leomoon80
01-17-2011, 09:29 PM
Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?

Excellent point from Slueth about the 9PM (December 26th 2010) timeframe when she was seen playing a Video game according to her brother (and I think her mother saw her too this time)
After that who know? Something about,"I thought I saw her under the covers the next morning, but cannot say for certain now" as Billie looked into the bedroom to see her daughter there, (she thought) before going to work that day.

So 9PM is confirmed.

I'll post a chart and perhaps Bedorahdee can give more insight into what you mean.
We should be looking at that chart anyway I would think.

All the other timed events other then the 911 call are question marked now.

p.s. does anyone know IF the B.F. was staying overnight this night when Hailey was playing this Video game? I know he went to work the next morning, but where did he sleep that night?

jnTexas
01-17-2011, 09:37 PM
Excellent point from Slueth about the 9PM (December 26th 2010) timeframe when she was seen playing a Video game according to her brother (and I think her mother saw her too this time)
After that who know? Something about,"I thought I saw her under the covers the next morning, but cannot say for certain now" as Billie looked into the bedroom to see her daughter there, (she thought) before going to work that day.

So 9PM is confirmed.

I'll post a chart and perhaps Bedorahdee can give more insight into what you mean.
We should be looking at that chart anyway I would think.

All the other timed events other then the 911 call are question marked now.

p.s. does anyone know IF the B.F. was staying overnight this night when Hailey was playing this Video game? I know he went to work the next morning, but where did he sleep that night?

Yes he was there overnight. he lives there and BD stated he left for work at 5:30am

Leomoon80
01-17-2011, 09:39 PM
Slueth: Remember, the following day, the neighbor says she saw Hallie on the phone in the backyard at Noon time (or so) .



Vesta Quincunx the MC

Ruler of the chart, (the Sun) found in house 5 same degree as Pluto or both 5Capricorn.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9776/screenshot002fy.jpg

Paulette
01-17-2011, 09:58 PM
I've done charts for all available times - but the snag is, which one is correct?

Asteroid "Halley" was 6 CAP exactly conjunct Sun, 6 CAP in the 3pm chart.

Asteroid "Wells" is transiting 22:58 Rx in Leo, conjunct Hailey's progressed "Halley" 22:29 Leo. Yes, he did work for a company that had something to do with wells, but that doesn't account for Hailey having it on her Prog. name.

I can't see anything else that stands out. If only we had the birth time for Hailey.

SA has Wells 14:42 CAP with Mars transiting 14:54 CAP & opposing his natal Mars 14:18 Cancer.

Zoe Bogart
01-17-2011, 10:09 PM
Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?

Yes, I understand what you mean, but I didn't do that originally. I just worked it up on my astro program and left it at the 9PM with no turning. It looks ominous enough to me the way it it, but I'm open to suggestions.

Zoe Bogart
01-17-2011, 10:17 PM
Slueth: Remember, the following day, the neighbor says she saw Hallie on the phone in the backyard at Noon time (or so) .




Thanks for the chart. It's look very much like mine except in mine, BML is in the 7th. I may have used a different house system. Yours looks even more eerie.

LE said the neighbor wasn't a credible witness. Also, there was a claim that Hailey sent a text message from Billie's cell on Monday. Obviously, they aren't looking at that seriously, either, because that cell was supposedly at home where anyone could have touched it. It's also questionable whether she was really with two friends that day. So much about this case is "questionable".

We know her dad saw her on Sunday because she spent the night at his house on Saturday night. The dad's girlfriend said Hailey would come over everyday to play with her baby sister, and she didn't go over on Monday. I tend to put more stock in what the brother, father, and his girlfriend say.

Tuba
01-17-2011, 10:25 PM
I fear we have succumbed to the national gluttony for A.D.D. quickies. Let's try to plumb the depth of what we have. We know for a dead cert that the report to law enforcement is an accurate timed event. What can we pull out of that? Some of these other accounts do not equate to an event. They simply do not rise to that level. The police report does.

FifthEssence
01-17-2011, 10:59 PM
Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?




This is incorrect. I don't want to get caught up with astrology lessons and certainly don't recommend 'guessing' at birth times.

Using charts as a clock puts 2:00 - 4:00 pm on 8th House. (4:00 pm on 8H cusp, 2:00 pm on 9H cusp)


Here's a LINK to a CHART WHEEL showing 2hr time blocks :
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - GENERAL


Cusps
12 H 8:00 am
11 H 10:00 am
10 H 12:00 pm (noon)
9 H 2:00 pm
8 H 4:00 pm
7 H 6:00 pm (sunset)
6 H 8:00 pm
5 H 10:00 pm
4 H 12:00 am (midnight)
3 H 2:00 am
2 H 4:00 am
1 H 6:00 am (sunrise)

Tuba
01-17-2011, 11:55 PM
Let's ignore the 3:15 p.m. chart of December 27 for now. It was a time provided by the man who is now considered prime suspect. The 3:00 p.m. chart of December 28 is tardy. The girl had been gone for at least a day but the 3:00 p.m. chart is timed by a reliable source and the suspect may have falsified his original information.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 12:01 AM
Timeline



http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/no-headline---hailey_dunn_timeline/

This timeline was compiled with information from an affidavit obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request and from news gathering by the Reporter-News. The affidavit was compiled by Billy Sides, an investigator for the 32nd Judicial District of Attorney's Office, who stated in the affidavit, "It is the belief of your affiant that Hailey Dunn was kidnapped and transported to another location against her will."

Sunday, Dec. 26
9 p.m. — Hailey Dunn's brother, Delbert David Dunn, 16, leaves the residence he and his sister share with their mother and her boyfriend, Shawn Adkins. He said Hailey was playing one of his video games in the living room.


10 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn sees her daughter watching TV, according to her statement Wednesday night on HLN's "Nancy Grace."Monday, Dec. 27

Time undetermined — Billie Jean Dunn "peeks in" on her daughter and believes she's in her bed, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday. She then rides with Adkins to their jobs in Snyder
(added modified: NEXT DAY - 12/27/10)

6 a.m. — Adkins arrives at his place of work, Weaver Services Inc. in Snyder. WSI provides pipeline and related structure construction for the oil and gas industry.


6:10 a.m. — Adkins leaves work after purchasing a Dr Pepper from the break room vending machine, according to his supervisor. Adkins told authorities he was fired from his job after an altercation with his supervisor. The supervisor told investigators Adkins was a good employee and had not been fired.


6:35-6:56 a.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins was in Colorado City, about 25 miles from his place of work in Snyder. However, he told investigators he went straight from his place of work to his mother's home in Big Spring, which about 50 miles away.


9:38 a.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins is in the area of his mother's home in Big Spring.


Noon — Hailey Dunn is seen by a neighbor in the backyard of her Colorado City home using her mother's cell phone, according to Reporter-News files.


2:40 p.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins was in Big Spring up until this time. Eleven phone calls had been made from Big Spring, beginning at 9:38 a.m.


3 p.m. — Adkins says he arrives home in Colorado City and sees Hailey Dunn.


3:15 p.m. — Hailey Dunn leaves her residence, telling Adkins she would visit her dad's home and then spend the night with a friend.


4 p.m. — David Dunn arrives home. He pounds on the door for about five minutes and no one lets him in. He enters the home through a window and observes Adkins standing in the hallway with "a deer in the headlights look."


5:45 p.m. — Adkins picks up Billie Jean Dunn from work.


6:19 p.m. and 6:20 p.m. — Two withdrawals are made from an ATM in Snyder, one for $60 and one for $80. It later is determined through voluntary admission of Billie Jean Dunn that the money was used to purchase illegal narcotics for her and Adkins from a person in Scurry County.


7:30 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn and Adkins arrive back at Dunn's home in Colorado City, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday. They watch movies before going to be around 10 p.m., she says.

Tuesday Dec. 28


6:30 a.m. — Adkins takes Billie Jean Dunn to work in Snyder


Noon — According to Connie Jones, Billie Jean Dunn's grandmother who lives in Snyder, Billie Jean Dunn calls her son, David, and asks him to text his sister and tell her to come home. Failing to get an answer, David phones the home of his sister's friend and learns Hailey Dunn never came to the home. He informs her mother, who leaves work and drives to Colorado City, where, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday, she looks for daughter at the homes of several friends.


2 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn reports her daughter, Hailey Dunn, missing at the office of the Colorado City police.

— Hannah Boen and Celinda Emison
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/no-headline---hailey_dunn_timeline/

sarx
01-18-2011, 12:25 AM
There is new information out that HD sent a text at 2 pm on the 27th from her house (area) to her friend. This is per LE. Don't know if it helps or not, but thought I'd bring it over here.

Zoe Bogart
01-18-2011, 12:54 AM
There is new information out that HD sent a text at 2 pm on the 27th from her house (area) to her friend. This is per LE. Don't know if it helps or not, but thought I'd bring it over here.


Thanks. It's already been brought over here, but Billie's mother says she doesn't put much stock in it, and it could have been sent by anyone. So, at best, it's "iffy".

Tuba
01-18-2011, 01:52 AM
Thank you, Leomoon80, for supplying authentic times based on affidavit. 2:00 p.m. for notice to law enforcement certainly does change the picture. My own chart was based on the suspect's statement before he was a person of interest. It is the 3:15 p.m. chart for December 27 that I was suggesting we ignore since it comes from one who has reason, perhaps, to falsify facts and times.

The 2:00 p.m. chart indicates the mother is seeking publicity for whom she believes to be a runaway. That would, of course, be her first hopeful instinct.

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 02:00 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/REPORTEDMISSING2pm122810.jpg

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 03:10 AM
Have attached part of the NG transcript tonight where she asks BD if there was a text.
Note, the reporter says he's hearing from BD that police said there was a text sent from the cell phone at home around 2pm to Hailey's little friend saying 'what are you doing.'

** reference of SA calls & locations on the 27th : affidavit:
http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0113_001.pdf



Now that this has been discussed on national TV, I hope LE makes a public statement confirming if the text message is factual.

Beedorahdee999
01-18-2011, 03:26 AM
Fifth: on the most recent chart you have posted for the 2:00 time with Lilith in Pisces, that to me would represent water or fishing area, would love to hear your thoughts on this or is anyone else getting at or near a fishing hole.

In Mythology from what I have read Lilith would fly around and kidnap children and strangle them, in other things I have read it also represents wastelands.

katydid23
01-18-2011, 06:23 AM
Timeline



http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/no-headline---hailey_dunn_timeline/

This timeline was compiled with information from an affidavit obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request and from news gathering by the Reporter-News. The affidavit was compiled by Billy Sides, an investigator for the 32nd Judicial District of Attorney's Office, who stated in the affidavit, "It is the belief of your affiant that Hailey Dunn was kidnapped and transported to another location against her will."

Sunday, Dec. 26
9 p.m. — Hailey Dunn's brother, Delbert David Dunn, 16, leaves the residence he and his sister share with their mother and her boyfriend, Shawn Adkins. He said Hailey was playing one of his video games in the living room.


10 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn sees her daughter watching TV, according to her statement Wednesday night on HLN's "Nancy Grace."Monday, Dec. 27

Time undetermined — Billie Jean Dunn "peeks in" on her daughter and believes she's in her bed, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday. She then rides with Adkins to their jobs in Snyder
(added modified: NEXT DAY - 12/27/10)

6 a.m. — Adkins arrives at his place of work, Weaver Services Inc. in Snyder. WSI provides pipeline and related structure construction for the oil and gas industry.


6:10 a.m. — Adkins leaves work after purchasing a Dr Pepper from the break room vending machine, according to his supervisor. Adkins told authorities he was fired from his job after an altercation with his supervisor. The supervisor told investigators Adkins was a good employee and had not been fired.


6:35-6:56 a.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins was in Colorado City, about 25 miles from his place of work in Snyder. However, he told investigators he went straight from his place of work to his mother's home in Big Spring, which about 50 miles away.


9:38 a.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins is in the area of his mother's home in Big Spring.


Noon — Hailey Dunn is seen by a neighbor in the backyard of her Colorado City home using her mother's cell phone, according to Reporter-News files.


2:40 p.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins was in Big Spring up until this time. Eleven phone calls had been made from Big Spring, beginning at 9:38 a.m.


3 p.m. — Adkins says he arrives home in Colorado City and sees Hailey Dunn.


3:15 p.m. — Hailey Dunn leaves her residence, telling Adkins she would visit her dad's home and then spend the night with a friend.


4 p.m. — David Dunn arrives home. He pounds on the door for about five minutes and no one lets him in. He enters the home through a window and observes Adkins standing in the hallway with "a deer in the headlights look."


5:45 p.m. — Adkins picks up Billie Jean Dunn from work.


6:19 p.m. and 6:20 p.m. — Two withdrawals are made from an ATM in Snyder, one for $60 and one for $80. It later is determined through voluntary admission of Billie Jean Dunn that the money was used to purchase illegal narcotics for her and Adkins from a person in Scurry County.


7:30 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn and Adkins arrive back at Dunn's home in Colorado City, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday. They watch movies before going to be around 10 p.m., she says.

Tuesday Dec. 28


6:30 a.m. — Adkins takes Billie Jean Dunn to work in Snyder


Noon — According to Connie Jones, Billie Jean Dunn's grandmother who lives in Snyder, Billie Jean Dunn calls her son, David, and asks him to text his sister and tell her to come home. Failing to get an answer, David phones the home of his sister's friend and learns Hailey Dunn never came to the home. He informs her mother, who leaves work and drives to Colorado City, where, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday, she looks for daughter at the homes of several friends.


2 p.m. — Billie Jean Dunn reports her daughter, Hailey Dunn, missing at the office of the Colorado City police.

— Hannah Boen and Celinda Emison
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/12/no-headline---hailey_dunn_timeline/



(referencing this part of the news site timeline)
Time undetermined — Billie Jean Dunn "peeks in" on her daughter and believes she's in her bed, she tells the Reporter-News on Wednesday. She then rides with Adkins to their jobs in Snyder

---just for clarification purposes, it has been established that they did NOT ride together morning of 12/27. SA left earlier , closer to 5:30 am, in Billie's car. She left around 630 and got a ride with a coworker.


But thank you for the useful timeline. Much needed because this is a confusing case.

Soulscape
01-18-2011, 10:39 AM
Regarding the 2:00 pm Reported Missing (chart posted above), notice HAMAL, a particularly malignant death star, is smack exact on the ASCENDANT, 07 Taurus.

The Part of Death at 00 Cancer is tightly wedged between HADES, a death marker, and the malefic SOUTH NODE, also a death marker, and disposited by MOON which is about to conjunct SATURN, a death marker.

Part of DEATH is also contraparallel (acts as an opposition) the Out of Bounds MARS the Perp 15 Capricorn, applying 1 minute of Arc. As we already know, the OOB Event MARS is partile opposed Hailey's natal MOON (sunrise position) 15 Cancer.

There is more, of course, but in general I see the same evil testimonies I saw in the 3:15 pm 12-27-10 LAST SEEN and the 3:00 pm 12-28-2010 REPORTED MISSING.



Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Thank you, Leomoon80, for supplying authentic times based on affidavit. 2:00 p.m. for notice to law enforcement certainly does change the picture. My own chart was based on the suspect's statement before he was a person of interest. It is the 3:15 p.m. chart for December 27 that I was suggesting we ignore since it comes from one who has reason, perhaps, to falsify facts and times.

The 2:00 p.m. chart indicates the mother is seeking publicity for whom she believes to be a runaway. That would, of course, be her first hopeful instinct.

I came upon it late last night, when I was searching for the dob of the minor sibling. There it was! Perhaps just posted, as I don't recall it before or seeing it before.

At least we can now have authentic times to work with, and that's a big boon I think.

I was wondering about those times given for purchasing the drugs. :waitasec:

We want to believe the mother, but there are so many unanswered questions and as Slueth so adequately put it, the only objective statements as to the authenticity of having truly observed Hailey were the father, his wife and her brother.
That seemed clear to me to be so. I don't know that we can believe anything of the mom, as to dates and times. She seems "spacey" (if that's a word) to me.

First she tells NG, that yes, there was the neighbor's sighting in the backyard, then it's "well the neighbor moved" then it's "well, the LE won't tell me if they spoke to him/her"......and on and on.

So, doesn't seem to be authenticated yet. Just statements from her.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 12:58 PM
As for the "supposed" 2PM text message that Billie speaks about on the NG show, how do we know it's authentic if the police do not confirm it.

I'm thinking even IF it's the one mentioned in the pdf (affadavit) that SA "deleted" it easily may have been him all along making a ruse of a text to one of her friends,
a cover story.

Is that conceivable, that it wasn't Hailey "if" the text was deleted that day and time?

IF someone deletes from a cell phone a text message, is there a server (for the cell phone) who can retrieve this deleted message afterall? Or is it then, lost forever? :waitasec:

sarx
01-18-2011, 01:10 PM
As for the "supposed" 2PM text message that Billie speaks about on the NG show, how do we know it's authentic if the police do not confirm it.

I'm thinking even IF it's the one mentioned in the pdf (affadavit) that SA "deleted" it easily may have been him all along making a ruse of a text to one of her friends,
a cover story.

Is that conceivable, that it wasn't Hailey "if" the text was deleted that day and time?

IF someone deletes from a cell phone a text message, is there a server (for the cell phone) who can retrieve this deleted message afterall? Or is it then, lost forever? :waitasec:
SA was in another town at the time of the text (that is confirmed by cell pings). Even if deleted on the device there is a record of it with the provider that LE can retrieve with a warrant or permission. HTH.

Tuba
01-18-2011, 01:41 PM
If the hour was really 2:00 p.m. and this not rounded off as an approximation, it is passing strange that this outcry to police is not marked with crisis degrees. By the way, those are never approximations. They are 0°, 13° and 26° of Cardinal Signs, 9° and 21° of Fixed Signs, and 4° and 17° of Mutable Signs.

Right away, the position of the chief significator, Venus, starts off the page because she is way over in House 7, as far from her own interests and rightful preoccupations as can be. She is in exile by Sign as well. Venus belongs to Taurus but is opposite, in Scorpio. Caretaking and mother instincts, seen in the House 6 Moon, are subverted by this same weak, passive, give-away-the-store Venus. (Ruler of the intercept) She has vocalised on t.v. that her friends had to "pound it into her head" that her live in companion could be responsible for Hailey's disappearance. Intercepts always reek of concealment & deception and not only the Moon is closeted there but Saturn, who afflicts her partner in a cruelty sadism square. It came out that the snuff flicks, horror memorabilia, murder lit, etc. was a hobby for both partners. The Moon is also square Mars. Conditions in the home must be read with this report to police because the two Houses share a Sign, Cancer.

If this is the horoscope we are going to trust, because it is in the police records, after all, then the Sun ruling Billie's child is with Pluto in House 9 in Capricorn. That is~not near the home in Colorado City but in a distant locale, dead and in a dark, desolate and disgusting place. Part of Death for this chart would be 0°08' Cancer, conjunct the south node of the Moon. This is also square the Moons of the Walking Witnesses and the Shawn Adkins' reports.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 02:41 PM
It does appear she must be much farther then close to home, because of the 9th house stellium…(close to home would be 3rd or 4th houses)


I’m more then a little curious to know if anyone has the information what all that flurry of cell phone calls was from SA cell phone (about 11 of them reportedly) :

2:40 p.m. — Phone records indicate Adkins was in Big Spring up until this time. Eleven phone calls had been made from Big Spring, beginning at 9:38 a.m.
The Moon ruler of the 3rd house in this chart and co-ruler of the event itself, is found in the 6th conj. Saturn and the Vertex, (restricted and event )in Libra (ruled by Venus)

The question I have is was there more then one man involved in this abduction?

The 8th house of Death and presumably, showing us something of the murderer, (if death ensued), is in Sagittarius: (Ruler Jupiter found in the 12th with Uranus) same degree conjunct fixed star “SCHEAT” (great misfortune) the 12th of captivity.

FromWikipedia: The double bodied – bi-corporeal
A double-bodied zoidion [sign] is said to be between two seasons,
Modern astrology does tend to regard mutable signs as more unstable and wavering, less strong-willed, than either cardinal or fixed signs, but also more adaptable and can deal more easily with change.


However, by the time William Lilly wrote Christian Astrology, in 1647, a subtle change had taken place. Lilly writes, describing Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces:
"The Signs [...] are divided into moveable, fixed and common, [Common] Signs are constituted between moveable and fixed, and retain a property of nature, partaking both with the preceding and consequent Sign [...] They are called bi-corporeal or double bodied, because they represent two bodies: as Gemini (twins), Pisces (two fish)."


The Ruler of the 7th house, Mars should also show us something of the abductor, for it’s the house of others. In this case, Mars found in the 9th, squares the Moon & Saturn in the 6th thus in Capricorn, squares it’s own sign’s Ruler (Saturn) and having dignity (strong) in Mars.
Mars also opposes the I/C (4th house) and therefore, is dangerous to the home itself.
Jupiter (in Pisces) in a double bodied sign. Mars Quintile to both Jupiter & Uranus.
A creative aspect.

jnTexas
01-18-2011, 02:47 PM
If the hour was really 2:00 p.m. and this not rounded off as an approximation, it is passing strange that this outcry to police is not marked with crisis degrees. By the way, those are never approximations. They are 0°, 13° and 26° of Cardinal Signs, 9° and 21° of Fixed Signs, and 4° and 17° of Mutable Signs.

Right away, the position of the chief significator, Venus, starts off the page because she is way over in House 7, as far from her own interests and rightful preoccupations as can be. She is in exile by Sign as well. Venus belongs to Taurus but is opposite, in Scorpio. Caretaking and mother instincts, seen in the House 6 Moon, are subverted by this same weak, passive, give-away-the-store Venus. (Ruler of the intercept) She has vocalised on t.v. that her friends had to "pound it into her head" that her live in companion could be responsible for Hailey's disappearance. Intercepts always reek of concealment & deception and not only the Moon is closeted there but Saturn, who afflicts her partner in a cruelty sadism square. It came out that the snuff flicks, horror memorabilia, murder lit, etc. was a hobby for both partners. The Moon is also square Mars. Conditions in the home must be read with this report to police because the two Houses share a Sign, Cancer.

If this is the horoscope we are going to trust, because it is in the police records, after all, then the Sun ruling Billie's child is with Pluto in House 9 in Capricorn. That is~not near the home in Colorado City but in a distant locale, dead and in a dark, desolate and disgusting place. Part of Death for this chart would be 0°08' Cancer, conjunct the south node of the Moon. This is also square the Moons of the Walking Witnesses and the Shawn Adkins' reports.

Tuba Do you see anything on if the perp acted alone?

Paulette
01-18-2011, 02:58 PM
It does appear she must be much farther then close to home, because of the 9th house stellium…(close to home would be 3rd or 4th houses)


I’m more then a little curious to know if anyone has the information what all that flurry of cell phone calls was from SA cell phone (about 11 of them reportedly) :

The Moon ruler of the 3rd house in this chart and co-ruler of the event itself, is found in the 6th conj. Saturn and the Vertex, (restricted and event )in Libra (ruled by Venus)

The question I have is was there more then one man involved in this abduction?

The 8th house of Death and presumably, showing us something of the murderer, (if death ensued), is in Sagittarius: (Ruler Jupiter found in the 12th with Uranus) same degree conjunct fixed star “SCHEAT” (great misfortune) the 12th of captivity.

FromWikipedia: The double bodied – bi-corporeal
A double-bodied zoidion [sign] is said to be between two seasons,
Modern astrology does tend to regard mutable signs as more unstable and wavering, less strong-willed, than either cardinal or fixed signs, but also more adaptable and can deal more easily with change.


However, by the time William Lilly wrote Christian Astrology, in 1647, a subtle change had taken place. Lilly writes, describing Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces:
"The Signs [...] are divided into moveable, fixed and common, [Common] Signs are constituted between moveable and fixed, and retain a property of nature, partaking both with the preceding and consequent Sign [...] They are called bi-corporeal or double bodied, because they represent two bodies: as Gemini (twins), Pisces (two fish)."


The Ruler of the 7th house, Mars should also show us something of the abductor, for it’s the house of others. In this case, Mars found in the 9th, squares the Moon & Saturn in the 6th thus in Capricorn, squares it’s own sign’s Ruler (Saturn) and having dignity (strong) in Mars.
Mars also opposes the I/C (4th house) and therefore, is dangerous to the home itself.Jupiter (in Pisces) in a double bodied sign. Mars Quintile to both Jupiter & Uranus.
A creative aspect.

Leo, What does it show us about the abductor? Physical characteristics & age, perhaps. Is it a Saturnian person, possibly an older man?

CommonTater
01-18-2011, 03:17 PM
I only know what I've read and seen on TV. I also have a few of Hailey's family members on my facebook friends list.

I personally think he left work on the 27th and possibly raped/killed Hailey, he then left to hide the body?
This would explain why he left work that day and later lied about why he left work.

I don't believe a neighbor saw her in the backyard that day. Times/dates can be easily confused.

Later that afternoon Hailey's brother came home and knocked on the door but couldn't get in, he ended up climbing in a window and stated that SA was in the hallway with a Deer in headlights look. Maybe he was still cleaning up the crime scene and deposing of the clothes he had worn?

Hailey had told her Grandmother that SA would stand at her doorway at night and it scared her.
Hailey's Uncle said he didn't know how anyone could hurt that little girl.
The affidavit reports that Adkins replied, “Yah, it's like killing a deer.”

Of course this is all just speculation but why would he lie about numerous things if he had nothing to hide?

marlame
01-18-2011, 03:29 PM
If the hour was really 2:00 p.m. and this not rounded off as an approximation, it is passing strange that this outcry to police is not marked with crisis degrees. By the way, those are never approximations. They are 0°, 13° and 26° of Cardinal Signs, 9° and 21° of Fixed Signs, and 4° and 17° of Mutable Signs.

Right away, the position of the chief significator, Venus, starts off the page because she is way over in House 7, as far from her own interests and rightful preoccupations as can be. She is in exile by Sign as well. Venus belongs to Taurus but is opposite, in Scorpio. Caretaking and mother instincts, seen in the House 6 Moon, are subverted by this same weak, passive, give-away-the-store Venus. (Ruler of the intercept) She has vocalised on t.v. that her friends had to "pound it into her head" that her live in companion could be responsible for Hailey's disappearance. Intercepts always reek of concealment & deception and not only the Moon is closeted there but Saturn, who afflicts her partner in a cruelty sadism square. It came out that the snuff flicks, horror memorabilia, murder lit, etc. was a hobby for both partners. The Moon is also square Mars. Conditions in the home must be read with this report to police because the two Houses share a Sign, Cancer.

If this is the horoscope we are going to trust, because it is in the police records, after all, then the Sun ruling Billie's child is with Pluto in House 9 in Capricorn. That is~not near the home in Colorado City but in a distant locale, dead and in a dark, desolate and disgusting place. Part of Death for this chart would be 0°08' Cancer, conjunct the south node of the Moon. This is also square the Moons of the Walking Witnesses and the Shawn Adkins' reports.

Tuba, Thank you for this useful post! As a rookie learning astrology, I have a few questions and I am hoping you or others can help me.

First, I just want to be sure I am looking at the right chart...In your post above you are refering to the most recent Reported Missing Chart with the 2pm time--correct?
If so, are you saying the chart is showing Hailey may be found in a Capricorn location?
Regarding the part BBM above...are you describing the Capricorn location?

Yesterday, Fifth posted information from Soulscape--see here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX

In that post, Soulscape, is referencing the Last Seen Chart w/ 3:15 time. She mentions in the last paragraph that, "Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question."

After looking at both the last seen chart and the 2pm reported missing chart, are they both showing a Capricorn location for Hailey? If so, can you provide more description about Capricorn locations? Also, is there any indication about which direction or how far from home Hailey was taken?

Thank you so much!

MarlaMe

Soulscape
01-18-2011, 04:05 PM
Tuba, Thank you for this useful post! As a rookie learning astrology, I have a few questions and I am hoping you or others can help me.

First, I just want to be sure I am looking at the right chart...In your post above you are refering to the most recent Reported Missing Chart with the 2pm time--correct?
If so, are you saying the chart is showing Hailey may be found in a Capricorn location?
Regarding the part BBM above...are you describing the Capricorn location?

Yesterday, Fifth posted information from Soulscape--see here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6022574&postcount=133)

In that post, Soulscape, is referencing the Last Seen Chart w/ 3:15 time. She mentions in the last paragraph that, "Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question."

After looking at both the last seen chart and the 2pm reported missing chart, are they both showing a Capricorn location for Hailey? If so, can you provide more description about Capricorn locations? Also, is there any indication about which direction or how far from home Hailey was taken?

Thank you so much!
MarlaMe



Yes, we are finding Capricorn prominent, either directly as in the 2:00 pm 12/28 chart or indirectly, as dispositor in the 12/27 Last Seen and the 3:00 pm 12/28 Reported Missing.

Furthermore, 12/28/10 is a Tuesday, a MARS day, and 2:00 pm falls within the MARS hour.

MARS is posited at 15 Capricorn in all these charts. MARS is Out of Bounds (out of control) and is significator of the Perp in all these charts. Make no mistake about that. Re-read the first post on this thread describing MARS the Perp.



FifthEssence was kind enough to research the Capricorn environs for us:
2pm Tuesday 12/28/10 Colorado City, TX
A MARS day
MARS hour till 2:24pm

CAPRICORN environment
using the Rulership book-Rex Bills
abandoned places, basements, caves, caverns, cement, bricks, old churches,
cemeteries, (colors=flat dark value) corner bldg facing south or south cornered
rooms, (2 times- dislocation of bones...oh my GOD), dungeons, fallow ground,
barren fields, granite , gravel pit, lumber or places for storing lumber,
mines,mountains,, pine trees, pits, places hard to reach=unpleasant to find-not
pleasant to smell, quarries, rock salt,thorns thorny trees or bushes, tombs,
tombstone markers, underground places * passages


Thanks,
Soulscape

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 04:38 PM
Good (background) work on Mars, Fifth Essence!

And Mars in the 9th which rules the 7th, is the perpetrator in the sign of Mars Exaltation (strong to do the work it is doing) as is Saturn in the sign of Libra, 6th,in it's exalted sign.

We may indeed think that it makes sense i.e. Saturn, Capricorn to be an older male, however at age 13, Hailey would see the scarey SA as an "older male".

from Beedorahdee (post 153):

Fifth: on the most recent chart you have posted for the 2:00 time with Lilith in Pisces, that to me would represent water or fishing area, would love to hear your thoughts on this or is anyone else getting at or near a fishing hole.

In Mythology from what I have read Lilith would fly around and kidnap children and strangle them, in other things I have read it also represents wastelands.

not intending to speak for anyone but myself, I think that the I/C or 4th house cusp is the Ruler for "end of the matter"....
And if we take this chart (2PM) to see the end of the matter, it is Cancer, (a water sign) 24degrees on the cusp of the 4th house opposing both Mars and Ceres (care of the child)

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 05:17 PM
Good (background) work on Mars, Fifth Essence!

And Mars in the 9th which rules the 7th, is the perpetrator in the sign of Mars Exaltation (strong to do the work it is doing) as is Saturn in the sign of Libra, 6th,in it's exalted sign.

We may indeed think that it makes sense i.e. Saturn, Capricorn to be an older male, however at age 13, Hailey would see the scarey SA as an "older male".

from Beedorahdee (post 153):


not intending to speak for anyone but myself, I think that the I/C or 4th house cusp is the Ruler for "end of the matter"....
And if we take this chart (2PM) to see the end of the matter, it is Cancer, (a water sign) 24degrees on the cusp of the 4th house opposing both Mars and Ceres (care of the child)



Let's take a good look at this 2pm chart.

Mars is opposite House 3 of short trips, neighbors, people we take for granted, etc. and 9° out of orb from the homestead. (not H4 as noted in the quote)

In terms of the 'home' environment, I agree, there were problems. The Moon (natural ruler of H4) squares Mars in this chart.


Also, it appears MARS is the perp. MARS sq. SATURN makes a particularly sadistic and brutal perp.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 05:45 PM
Let's take a good look at this 2pm chart.

Mars is opposite House 3 of short trips, neighbors, people we take for granted, etc. and 9° out of orb from the homestead. (not H4 as noted in the quote)


Also, it appears MARS is the perp. MARS sq. SATURN makes a particularly sadistic and brutal perp.


I'm not seeing the "quote" of Mars being located in the 4th house. :waitasec:

The quote is that the I/C is in Cancer.....ruled by this water sign, and Mars is opposed to the I/C albeit, by a 9 degree orb (which qualifies as a conjunction, however to be absolutely detailed about it, it certainly is in house 3 not house 4 that an opposition may fall from Mars.

But not quoted above that I can see.......(as house 4) having anything to do other then a mention of the Water sign of Cancer Rules the homestead.

Is not a conjunction a conjunction, even when "out of exact orb?" And to a very important angle?

REF quote: 24degrees on the cusp of the 4th house opposing both Mars and Ceres

I realize a "traditional orb allowance" for a conjunction would be up to 8 degrees, but surely this is not written in concrete, and I've allowed 9 degrees because it's an angle the all important "home" of Hailey opposed by Mars & Ceres.

The argument of course, could be made, that in "exact parameters" then, Mars & Ceres were opposing the 3rd house of the Missing Person's Report .

6 of one, 1/2 doz of the other.....is how it appears to me, in otherwords, the same end for it's Mars and it's Ceres and it's the 4th house or 3rd to /4th cusp.

Tuba
01-18-2011, 06:24 PM
As you all know, the federal government has appropriated a great deal of open land in the United States and not only open land. Since we have Capricorn on the cusp of both House 9 and House 10, i.e., the child's location and the government Sign and House, Capricorn, she may well be on such property whether it is a national park or some government installation or other dedicated real estate. At the very least, we should consider this slant on location.

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 06:26 PM
And some consider 6degrees or less acceptable. Different backgrounds and tool sets.

I added in my previous post, an obvious aspect that reflects on the home we are discussing:
The Moon (natural ruler of H4) squares Mars in this chart.



Let's proceed with the case.
HAILEY needs to be found.

Tuba
01-18-2011, 06:36 PM
Here's the deal, Leomoon80. You did write Mars opposes the I.C. and is therefore, dangerous to the home itself. Now, is it important to look at how planets may be affecting the House opposite, yes and do we usually do that, no. So the principle is one we will register in our reserve pile to utilise where appropriate. In the instant case, Mars is not opposite the I.C. 9° is too wide an orb to use. There is a House that indeed IS colored by Mars and it is House 3. That House is already burdened with the south node of the Moon and it is coloured by Mars. Therefore, sad as it is to say, the information provided in the first call to law enforcement, is not as full or well remembered or imaginative of possibilities as it might be because the caller had compunctions about casting suspicion in the direction of the partner.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 06:46 PM
Tuba: Which reference do you use for having only up to 8 degrees orb as a conjunction to the I/C or angle?
Too wide an orb?
I do not use precise and only under advisement personally , as I see Astrology not as a hard science, but as an art using some scientific principles.

For instance, I was just Reading Ebertin (translation from the German today ) in Tad Mann's references, who said that Ebertin did not like the use of houses and frowned upon that practice.

Everyone uses their own techniques.
We all use (*from time to time) Ebertin's techniques too.
Midpoints.

I'd agree only insofar as saying Mars is opposing house 3 (for those who employ houses) and it does indeed, EVEN color the I/C or the end of the matter .

ref to orb allowance from this link: A well known Mundane Astrologer's Blog:
http://masongarretastrology.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-2010-predictions.html

snipped:
"Due to a standard orb allowance of 8-10 degrees in transits"

Of course when I do my readings I do not look for back-up links.....but this one had me curious due to the resulting controversy on my reading from Fifth Essence as to Mars and the I/C

I do agree and will capitulate however, that Mars of course, is only actually opposed the 3rd of the mind and local traffic to be "exact" as to where the opposition of this planet's transit is falling.

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 06:52 PM
As you all know, the federal government has appropriated a great deal of open land in the United States and not only open land. Since we have Capricorn on the cusp of both House 9 and House 10, i.e., the child's location and the government Sign and House, Capricorn, she may well be on such property whether it is a national park or some government installation or other dedicated real estate. At the very least, we should consider this slant on location.

Great observation.(I bolded)

In my research I came across government owned land going west on RT 20 out of Colorado Springs and then south on RT87.

Someone's family lives there..... therefore seems reasonable to consider.

Big Springs State Park, also at the bottom of this park is an area called Comanche Trail Park.
Not sure if it is part of the Big Spring State Park, but it is right there below
the State Park marking on the map.

Also read something about the natural waters being sulfur like?? (maybe someone can confirm) and this made me think of the stinky odor that keeps coming up in the chart.

Notice the ROCKS in one of the pictures along the water crest in Comanche Park.
STONES of Capricorn?

MAP & info:
http://www.texasplainstrail.com/index.aspx?recordid=6361&page=1189

Comanche Trail Park & amphitheater.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/37179843

marlame
01-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Great observation.(I bolded)

In my research I came across government owned land going west on RT 20 out of Colorado Springs and then south on RT87.

Someone's family lives there..... therefore seems reasonable to consider.

Big Springs State Park, also at the bottom of this park is an area called Comanche Trail Park.
Not sure if it is part of the Big Spring State Park, but it is right there below
the State Park marking on the map.

Also read something about the natural waters being sulfur like?? (maybe someone can confirm) and this made me think of the stinky odor that keeps coming up in the chart.

Notice the ROCKS in one of the pictures along the water crest in Comanche Park.
STONES of Capricorn?

MAP & info:
http://www.texasplainstrail.com/index.aspx?recordid=6361&page=1189

Comanche Trail Park & amphitheater.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/37179843

Thank you Fifth...Good work--This is very interesting!!! I looked it up on Google maps to get directions from Hailey's home to to Comanche Trail City Park and then mapped it to SA's mother's house. NOTE: The park is only 1.5 miles from SA's mom's house where he was hanging out the day Hailey went missing. The Mileage and time is below:

Hailey's home to to Comanche Trail City Park
Suggested routes
1. I-20 W -- 43.8 mi / 53 mins

2. TX-350 S -- 60.3 mi / 1 hour 10 mins
Link to Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

Comanche Trail City Park, Big Spring, TX to 2807 Apache Dr, Big Spring, TX

Suggested routes
1. Wasson Rd -- 1.5 mi / 5 min
2. Thorpe St -- 1.6 mi / 5 min
3. Wasson Rd and Navajo Dr -- 1.8 mi / 6 min
Link to Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

passionflower
01-18-2011, 07:31 PM
IIRC, the date 1.18.11 was stated to be an important day in the Hailey case here on an earlier post. I'll try to find it.
Also we are entering the Full Moon phase.......19th.....tomorrow.

Tuba
01-18-2011, 07:33 PM
I did not say 8° was an acceptable orb to a cusp. Even 8° is too wide. Event charts are a static picture of an event that occurs in time. If you, Leomoon80, are counseling a client on his natal chart, progressions and transits, the situation is different. You would be remiss not to tell your client Saturn was coming in for a return or a conjunction to the natal Saturn, even 20° away--this is what is in the client's future. The situation here is NOT the same.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 07:58 PM
How about the Part of Find?

I calculate it to be Capricorn - 4 degrees 2minutes.

That puts the POF in between Pluto & Pallas . Pallas = pre-determined and advanced planning and strategy with Pluto of course = death.

I'm still thinking the 9th is a further distance and wondering if he had help or did all of this himself. After all, there are still 11 calls he made, and to whom?

note: Feel free to double check the calculation and correct, but that is what I see, this sign, this degree and minutes.

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 08:00 PM
I did not say 8° was an acceptable orb to a cusp. Even 8° is too wide. Event charts are a static picture of an event that occurs in time. If you, Leomoon80, are counseling a client on his natal chart, progressions and transits, the situation is different. You would be remiss not to tell your client Saturn was coming in for a return or a conjunction to the natal Saturn, even 20° away--this is what is in the client's future. The situation here is NOT the same.

OK, fine. I thought the criticism about my reading had to do with a orb being over 9 degrees away from the angle. To my way of thinking an angle with a transit on it's way is very important here.

My mistake in understanding the critique perhaps.

I still think however, the 8-10 degrees makes sense for the transits as the mundane event blogger observes.

Sorry, no harm at least from my end intended. And again, I don't care to argue finer points of astrology., as I am of the belief that many add by their posts on astrology if educated in that art. Sometimes, we can see things otherwise missed.

I found that true for instance with asteroids on this forum. It opened up my eyes to watching them morseo then I did before.

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 08:04 PM
How about the Part of Find?


I calculate it to be Capricorn - 4 degrees 2minutes.

That puts the POF in between Pluto & Pallas . Pallas = pre-determined and advanced planning and strategy with Pluto of course = death.

I'm still thinking the 9th is a further distance and wondering if he had help or did all of this himself. After all, there are still 11 calls he made, and to whom?

For sure the 9th implies long distances unlike H3 would indicate close to home, near neighborhood.

Not based on anything astrological, I would think LE has investigated every person he communicated with on this cell and DD's those few days before and after Hailey was reported missing.
Let's hope one of his upstanding comrades squeak.

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 08:11 PM
TUBA wrote:
As you all know, the federal government has appropriated a great deal of open land in the United States and not only open land. Since we have Capricorn on the cusp of both House 9 and House 10, i.e., the child's location and the government Sign and House, Capricorn, she may well be on such property whether it is a national park or some government installation or other dedicated real estate. At the very least, we should consider this slant on location.



Great observation.(I bolded)

In my research I came across government owned land going west on RT 20 out of Colorado Springs and then south on RT87.

Someone's family lives there..... therefore seems reasonable to consider.

Big Springs State Park, also at the bottom of this park is an area called Comanche Trail Park.
Not sure if it is part of the Big Spring State Park, but it is right there below
the State Park marking on the map.

Also read something about the natural waters being sulfur like?? (maybe someone can confirm) and this made me think of the stinky odor that keeps coming up in the chart.

Notice the ROCKS in one of the pictures along the water crest in Comanche Park.
STONES of Capricorn?

MAP & info:
http://www.texasplainstrail.com/index.aspx?recordid=6361&page=1189

Comanche Trail Park & amphitheater.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/37179843


Thank you Fifth...Good work--This is very interesting!!! I looked it up on Google maps to get directions from Hailey's home to to Comanche Trail City Park and then mapped it to SA's mother's house. NOTE: The park is only 1.5 miles from SA's mom's house where he was hanging out the day Hailey went missing. The Mileage and time is below:

Hailey's home to to Comanche Trail City Park
Suggested routes
1. I-20 W -- 43.8 mi / 53 mins

2. TX-350 S -- 60.3 mi / 1 hour 10 mins
Link to Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

Comanche Trail City Park, Big Spring, TX to 2807 Apache Dr, Big Spring, TX

Suggested routes
1. Wasson Rd -- 1.5 mi / 5 min
2. Thorpe St -- 1.6 mi / 5 min
3. Wasson Rd and Navajo Dr -- 1.8 mi / 6 min
Link to Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15



Marlame, if you have a moment, could you look around that area to see if there are caverns or caves...

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 08:13 PM
For sure the 9th implies long distances unlike H3 would indicate close to home, near neighborhood.

Not based on anything astrological, I would think LE has investigated every person he communicated with on this cell and DD's those few days before and after Hailey was reported missing.
Let's hope one of his upstanding comrades squeak.


Coincidences do occur in life. But according to where the POFind falls, (conj.Pallas) it appears at least that there was a planning in advance...and therefore, when a person is caught lying for incidential innocent things, one must wonder why that is?

FifthEssence
01-18-2011, 09:17 PM
NG show is covering HAILEY this evening. BD is on the show.

Let's STAY ON TOPIC:ASTROLOGY

GENERAL questions or comments belong out in the main missing persons forum for HAILEY, if they are not ASTROLOGY related.
TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #30 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community




Thank you.

FIFTHESSENCE
Moderator


***UPDATE: ( one contradicts the other:waitasec: )
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/13/authorities-step-search-missing-texas-cheerleader/
Evidence Found in Search for Missing Texas Cheerleader

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/18/spokesman-evidence-may-have-been-found-case-missin/
Updated 10:49 p.m.:
Investigators mum on results of landfill search for missing Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn
"may or may not have turned up evidence involved in the Hailey Dunn case, said Pete Kampfer"

Leomoon80
01-18-2011, 10:24 PM
I checked the 2PM December 27th Text Message reported event chart, and IF indeed as the Timed Affadavit of Events reports, there was this text supposedly from Hailey, I don't think it was really such, but rather a cover up event.

2PM on timeline – for Hailey possibly “texting a friend” per Billie Dunn:
I don’t think it’s a chart showing an event of texting a friend. It shows the potential of a set-up and not a texting imo .

The house that rules the cell phone or communications is the 3rd and Moon Rules for Cancer is on the cusp in critical 0 Degree (a crisis) to ensue. Moon found in the 6th of “decision making” conjunct Juno. Moon at 1 degree Libra, another critical placement with the Ruler of the 6th, Mercury found in the 8th, natural ruler of the 3rd .

Venus the ruler of the chart for the Rising sign is 6Taurus on this day, the 27th of December – the Moon’s Day a Monday is found again in the 7th in Scorpio.
Venus is square Neptune (the father of lies) and semi-square the Sun. The Ascendant conjuncts fixed star Hamal.

Tuba
01-19-2011, 12:22 AM
The canine searchers went through landfills at Abilene, Snyder & Colorado City. The subsequent reports on their searches claim that possible evidence was uncovered. On January 7 & 8, Mars went over 23°21' Capricorn, a Death Midpoint Rose Murray devised and on January 14, the Sun went over the same degree. Maybe those dates match either searches at the landfills or examination of items found there. It is easy to imagine that a perpetrator would place his victim one place but get rid of things used in the crime in the trash.

passionflower
01-19-2011, 12:27 AM
911 calls BD and SA from Feb 10,2010......11 months ago
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=332786

she says he has MHMR (mental problems)

FifthEssence
01-19-2011, 12:24 PM
Let's STAY ON TOPIC:

ASTROLOGY

GENERAL questions or comments including anything related to psychic or dream like thoughts, belong out in the main missing persons forum for HAILEY.



*News Updates are welcome. Simply post the link and give it a title. No need to post more then a sentence or two.
Please keep in mind, many readers come to this forum in search of astrological findings and related discussions.

nursebeeme
01-19-2011, 01:21 PM
soul, there was acid mentioned last night on NG pertaining to the investigation....

a local poster mentioned that 55 gallon drums of this acid typically sit out all over oil fields... it immediately made me think of your "find" post about water... dark spaces etc...

would looking at oil field maps be helpful here do you think???

(((brb to bump up your post again)))

nursebeeme
01-19-2011, 01:23 PM
I just received a communication from Soulscape.

SOULSCAPE WROTE:

'this is speculative at best although I sincerely pray it will be helpful. I will try to get back to our sleuths later this evening with add'l thoughts if I feel I can expand on the following.'

Her significator VENUS in the cadent 6th House in both the Last Seen and
Reported Missing. Definitely hard to find. VENUS in Scorpio suggests water/
smelly/ dankly place. Part of Death was in Leo --- near some kind of
entertainment area? playground? gambling casino, etc?

Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by
MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question.

bumping up

Soulscape
01-19-2011, 02:15 PM
soul, there was acid mentioned last night on NG pertaining to the investigation....

a local poster mentioned that 55 gallon drums of this acid typically sit out all over oil fields... it immediately made me think of your "find" post about water... dark spaces etc...

would looking at oil field maps be helpful here do you think???

(((brb to bump up your post again)))


bumping up




Nurse, I'll quote an earlier post. 'Tarpits and oil pools' appear to be within the realm of possibility:




In both the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts, Hailey is symbolized by VENUS, at 19 - 20 Scorpio, in the cadent 6th House. Cadent houses suggest 'hidden' and/or not easy to find.

The direction is NORTH (Scorpio) by WEST. (See Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson, Simplified Horary Astrology)

Scorpio suggests swamps, bleak stretches, drains, spots where vermin and reptiles breed, rubbish dumps, places of rot and stench, stagnant pools, tarpits and oil pools, locations subject to flooding, ruins near water and in general lowlands.

VENUS in Scorpio in the 6th House gives a cadent house with VENUS at North Latitude which according to Ivy gives a timing mechanism of 3 miles. If we multiply 3 miles times the difference in degrees between VENUS and MOON, we get 51 miles using the LAST SEEN and 12 miles using the REPORTED MISSING.

My own sense is that Hailey is more WEST than NORTH and the mileage is closer (12 miles) rather than farther (51 miles).

Please keep in mind this is speculative at best, although I certainly hope it can assist in her discovery.

...

Thanks,
Soulscape



Thanks,
Soulscape

tms56
01-19-2011, 08:25 PM
clint dunn hailey's father confirmed she was born in snyder texas but can not remember the time i have him on my fb and was asking him on private msg

Zoe Bogart
01-19-2011, 08:34 PM
I checked the 2PM December 27th Text Message reported event chart, and IF indeed as the Timed Affadavit of Events reports, there was this text supposedly from Hailey, I don't think it was really such, but rather a cover up event.

2PM on timeline – for Hailey possibly “texting a friend” per Billie Dunn:
I don’t think it’s a chart showing an event of texting a friend. It shows the potential of a set-up and not a texting imo .

The house that rules the cell phone or communications is the 3rd and Moon Rules for Cancer is on the cusp in critical 0 Degree (a crisis) to ensue. Moon found in the 6th of “decision making” conjunct Juno. Moon at 1 degree Libra, another critical placement with the Ruler of the 6th, Mercury found in the 8th, natural ruler of the 3rd .

Venus the ruler of the chart for the Rising sign is 6Taurus on this day, the 27th of December – the Moon’s Day a Monday is found again in the 7th in Scorpio.
Venus is square Neptune (the father of lies) and semi-square the Sun. The Ascendant conjuncts fixed star Hamal.


Thanks for doing this chart. BBM I thought so when that news first hit it was some sort of coverup, because none of her other friends said they spoke to her that day, and the little girl who was supposed to have received that text said she didn't get it. Total mystery on where that message went and who sent it.

Is it relevant here that Hailey's brother is now in protective custody?

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26545922/detail.html

I mean, do any charts point to this? Or, what I'm saying is, does this play into any other things told to us in prior charts? Is it important for a clearer understanding of those charts?


Thanks for the help. You're all so great.

Tuba
01-20-2011, 01:58 AM
Yes, the report to law enforcement chart for December 28 at 2:00 p.m. certainly does show him going into protective custody. Saturn is ruling the governmental Capricorn 10th House and the Moon is ruling him and they are together in the House of custody. It does not tell us about our other problems that he is under protection but it is pictured in the chart.

Zoe Bogart
01-20-2011, 02:06 AM
Thanks, Tuba, I knew the stars wouldn't fail us. That's why I asked, I wanted to know if what I was expecting to be there was, indeed, there. :woohoo:

FifthEssence
01-20-2011, 06:05 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ColoradoCityLandfill1202011130pmsm.jpg

Andromeda
01-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Thanks, FifthEssence! Will there be a narrative to go with your chart? Pretty please? :) I spend a lot of time Googling aspects/positions, etc., and their meanings. But I'm not even close to being able to do a full-blown interpretation. :)

Tuba
01-20-2011, 08:00 PM
Yes, this search marks REAL progress. See the trine between the Leo Moon and the Sagittarian Venus. Part of Fortune is also trine the Outcome House, #4 (from H. 7). It does appear that it is evidence or items identified to Hailey that may be located in these searches and that the girl herself is at another locale. See Mercury, ruler of the child 5th House, aways off in House 8 and in another Sign, Capricorn.

There is a positive instrument or individual here that we are ignorant about, the just entering Sun at 0°23' Aquarius. This will be helpful and note also that Mars and the pepetrator are at solstice points of one another, which means that activity in a distant neighborhood triggers action by the one responsible for Hailey's disappearance. Why is Neptune squaring the ASC? One NG headline this week said the mother may know more than she is divulging but then too, the search party could be deluded about one particular that is important. The trans-Neptunian planet Admetos is at the ASC for this search party and search, sounding the need to look DEEP, in raw material (like dirt, compost, tar, oil muck, mud, etc.) in matter that is standing still but has its barriers and limits like next to a wall or containment or lid.

Knox
01-20-2011, 10:37 PM
I know there was talk of oil wells which makes sense, but what about a septic tank? The mention of raw materials, compost, deep, matter that is not flowing, barriers and limits made me think of a septic vault. Just throwing the possibility out there.

Soulscape
01-20-2011, 10:44 PM
I know there was talk of oil wells which makes sense, but what about a septic tank? The mention of raw materials, compost, deep, matter that is not flowing, barriers and limits made me think of a septic vault. Just throwing the possibility out there.


Yes, septic tank a possibility. Keep in mind Hailey was symbolized by VENUS in Scorpio in the (alleged) LAST SEEN and the REPORTED MISSING charts. Scorpio locations include nasty, filthy (and typically wet) places including garbage dumps and septic tanks.

Thanks,
Soulscape

toad269
01-20-2011, 10:53 PM
Hi Tuba,
Thank you for posting your comments. I am new to Websleuths, but I'd like to ask: Could Haley be concealed in a well?


I know there was talk of oil wells which makes sense, but what about a septic tank? The mention of raw materials, compost, deep, matter that is not flowing, barriers and limits made me think of a septic vault. Just throwing the possibility out there.

Tuba
01-20-2011, 11:20 PM
How about an abandoned well? Those wells that no longer produce usable water but which either haven't been plugged or else that someone troubles to unplug. We are looking for static, stagnant conditions.

Paulette
01-21-2011, 12:00 AM
I've done charts for all available times - but the snag is, which one is correct?

Asteroid "Halley" was 6 CAP exactly conjunct Sun, 6 CAP in the 3pm chart.

Asteroid "Wells" is transiting 22:58 Rx in Leo, conjunct Hailey's progressed "Halley" 22:29 Leo. Yes, he did work for a company that had something to do with wells, but that doesn't account for Hailey having it on her Prog. name.

I can't see anything else that stands out. If only we had the birth time for Hailey.

SA has Wells 14:42 CAP with Mars transiting 14:54 CAP & opposing his natal Mars 14:18 Cancer.

I brought this over from page 5.

salvarenga
01-21-2011, 04:29 PM
Yes, this search marks REAL progress. See the trine between the Leo Moon and the Sagittarian Venus. Part of Fortune is also trine the Outcome House, #4 (from H. 7). It does appear that it is evidence or items identified to Hailey that may be located in these searches and that the girl herself is at another locale. See Mercury, ruler of the child 5th House, aways off in House 8 and in another Sign, Capricorn.

There is a positive instrument or individual here that we are ignorant about, the just entering Sun at 0°23' Aquarius. This will be helpful and note also that Mars and the pepetrator are at solstice points of one another, which means that activity in a distant neighborhood triggers action by the one responsible for Hailey's disappearance. Why is Neptune squaring the ASC? One NG headline this week said the mother may know more than she is divulging but then too, the search party could be deluded about one particular that is important. The trans-Neptunian planet Admetos is at the ASC for this search party and search, sounding the need to look DEEP, in raw material (like dirt, compost, tar, oil muck, mud, etc.) in matter that is standing still but has its barriers and limits like next to a wall or containment or lid.

Tuba -

This was posted by a Sheik in the main thread. It made me think of your post here.

Acid can be used to clean up old wells in an attempt to increase production. The term “Acid Job” is common out in the field. Say a well’s production has declined over time; a service company would come in suggest a treatment plan that could increase the wells production. Acid is usually a key ingredient to the fluid that’s pumped into the hole. The total amount of treatment fluid pumped into the hole is calculated by the barrel. Once the fluid is pumped into the hole or also known as formation, they may allow it to sit there anywhere from one hour to several days. In order to bring the well back into production, it’s important that the fluid be flushed out of the hole. At this point they begin swabbing the hole in an attempt to bring as much of the treatment fluid back to service as possible. They drop a plunger with a line to the bottom of the hole and come up out of the hole, repeating the process until the well kicks off (starts blowing) or they can no longer recover any additional treatment fluid. The recovered treatment fluid is usually directed to a hole that has been dug into the ground with the ground eventually absorbing it. While you wouldn’t want to stick a bare hand in the fluid that’s been recovered, it’s not nearly as potent as it was in its original state. I doubt that the recovery fluid would be potent enough to cause serious damage to flesh and bone.

Acid is also used to perforate casing. Casing is the outer pipe that goes into the hole. Figure that once all the casing is in the hole, in order to bring oil or gas to surface, that casing must have some holes in it that correlate with the production formation. This is when they place a “gun” down the hole that shoots off the mixture that will open holes in the casing at the production intervals.

These chemicals are usually under lock and key at the service company’s yard and also monitored. Its doubtful SA had access to these chemicals unless he had the assistance of someone, which I also feel is doubtful. One never knows though. I am sure LE has asked for inventory and accountability of the chemicals at the place SA worked. Not to say he couldn’t have acquired them elsewhere though.

There is a lot of oil and gas production in the area that composes of several counties. There are a lot of county roads, back roads, etc. as well. Working in the business going from well to well, one can learn those roads, shortcuts, etc. very quickly. Many wells are off the grid and one must know where to go in order to get to them. Many well locations may contain open holes that haven’t been covered up. While most land owners make sure that’s not the case, it still does occur. Many locations have old abandoned tanks. These tanks can be anywhere from 15 feet high and up. While a person could not enter the tank from the top, there is a space on the bottom of the tank towards the back that is secured by several bolts and screws. This door is opened up when the tank is empty so people can crawl inside to clean, maintain, etc.

Cell phone coverage varies and is sparse in many places. I carry a satellite phone at all times because of this.

I am hopeful LE has/is conducting the following:

1. Asking Weaver Services (and other service company’s) for an account of their fluid inventory and who has access to it.
2. Obtaining a log from SA’s employers for the past couple years or so detailing each and every well site he worked on and that they (LE) are actively searching each and every one of those well sites along with the roads leading to those sites. Traveling those roads one will see old abandoned buildings, stock tanks, caliche pits, old style outhouses, drain pipes, etc.

All these and more should be searched. Over time by traveling these roads, SA could have discovered what he felt was the ideal hiding place.

salvarenga
01-31-2011, 09:18 AM
HD's mom plans to hold a press conference today ay 1pm CST to discuss the timeline and a possible person of interest. *This is all her doing and IMO is not something LE has encouraged her to do.

Can we get a chart for this press conference?

Tuba
01-31-2011, 12:31 PM
Will she be in Colorado City, TX when she holds forth or in a nearby town?

nursebeeme
01-31-2011, 12:37 PM
good question Tuba... I have not heard that she has left CC... so I am ASSuming CC (stress on the a$$ in case I am wrong)

Tuba
01-31-2011, 02:20 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/MrsDunnSchedulesPressConference001.jpg

Information we can derive from the chart alone is complicated by the fact Mercury rules both Mrs. Dunn and her daughter, Hailey. Robert DeLuce always looked to the Moon for missing persons; the Moon itself will soon unite with Mrs. Dunn. What is troubling is that she (Moon-Hailey) must first square Saturn, ruling a distant desolate neighborhood and ruling the House of news, which is not good. By the time Moon reaches Mercury, they will fill the critical or crisis degree of 26° Capricorn. Mars will partile semi-square Uranus at that time and Mars is also // Pluto, a dire prophecy. Of course, the Moon passing through H. 8 is in grave danger or deceased. We know that occurred when she, the Moon, was conjunct Pluto in H. 8. The Sun and node were also with her.

FifthEssence
01-31-2011, 05:54 PM
Brief article at link below.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26679291/detail.html
Billie Dunn To Hailey: "Please Come Home"
Mother Of Missing Girl Speaks To Media
By Laura Madison, KTXS News
POSTED: 1:29 pm CST January 31, 2011


'We will post her complete statement later tonight right here on www.KTXS.com '


REMINDER:Unless your thoughts are astrologically related to the charts and respective findings thus far including info related to CONFIRMED dates and times, please post those otherwise general comments and opinions out in the main missing persons thread for HAILEY.
TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #51 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Thank you for understanding it's necessary to remain focused on ASTROLOGY in this Forum.

************************************************

UPDATE:VIDEO LINK FROM MAIN MISSING PERSONS FORUM of the conference:
(click on YouTube like frame and turn speakers on...Thanks BeanE)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 #52

salvarenga
01-31-2011, 10:08 PM
There is a transcript of the entire statement posted by Belimom if any of you need to refer back to it. I don't know how to link it. But I did want to point out that the only question she took was at the very end a reporter asked if she was still in contact with SA and she said they were "friendly". After that she said no more questions and walked inside.

DeepThinker
02-01-2011, 06:22 PM
A tiny bit O/T:

Can someone point me to where I can find SA's birth name and birthdate? I have looked in this thread and cannot seem to find it...

thank you :seeya:

Leomoon80
02-01-2011, 06:35 PM
A tiny bit O/T:

Can someone point me to where I can find SA's birth name and birthdate? I have looked in this thread and cannot seem to find it...

thank you :seeya:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shawn-adkins-named-person-interst-case-missing-texas/story?id=12608537


June 30, 1985 dob, (I used Colorado City Texas ), which of course is close to where he lived with his mother too and where Hailey disappeared
Without tob, we use mainly Sunrise charts for that day.

FifthEssence
02-01-2011, 07:20 PM
bumping



For those who have not been following this thread since Hailey went missing, know that this POI has been discussed quite a few times (had been referred to as '630' /'MALE'/'Male630'), not limited to what points to his participation but the nature of the animal as well.
Analysis and associations are back at the beginning of the thread in the first 3 pages.


SUNRISE NATAL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/SASunriseNATAL.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL LAST SEEN
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5985746&postcount=55
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5986230&postcount=56
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/Tri-Wheel-LastSeen.jpg



EVENT TRI-WHEEL REPORTED MISSING
(this Tri-Wheel was discussed in depth earlier)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5987614&postcount=61)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/haileyTRIwHEELreportedMISSINGsADKINSsmall.jpg

belimom
02-02-2011, 12:07 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shawn-adkins-named-person-interst-case-missing-texas/story?id=12608537


June 30, 1985 dob, (I used Colorado City Texas ), which of course is close to where he lived with his mother too and where Hailey disappeared
Without tob, we use mainly Sunrise charts for that day.

He was born in Taylor County, which I believe would be Abilene.

Hailey: Scurry County, so Snyder.

You may already have it, but I wasn't sure...

Soulscape
02-02-2011, 12:49 AM
He was born in Taylor County, which I believe would be Abilene.

Hailey: Scurry County, so Snyder.

You may already have it, but I wasn't sure...


Thank you, Belimom.

We typically use the Event Location with good results.

Thanks,
Soulscape

belimom
02-02-2011, 01:16 AM
Thank you, Belimom.

We typically use the Event Location with good results.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Okay - I'm such a newbie here that I'm not really sure what is needed when... Still learning. Thanks for the patience... :)

Soulscape
02-02-2011, 08:11 AM
Okay - I'm such a newbie here that I'm not really sure what is needed when... Still learning. Thanks for the patience... :)


We always appreciate any/all birth information we can get, Belimom, with the ideal being date/ place/ time.

I will always look at a chart with a known place of birth. Over the years, however, for the purposes of forensic Astrology, I've found that the relocated chart is valid.

Thank you for being part of our Forum.

Love,
Soulscape

Jersey*Girl
02-02-2011, 04:51 PM
Hi ASTROS! I miss you all!

Observation: In the 911 call that Shawn placed last year (February), he informs le that BJD took alot of pills, threatening suicide, and also took some of his Klonopin. They had been fighting/arguing, broke up, etc etc. There were numerous calls but 3 911 calls have been released, 2 from BJD & 1 from Shawn. In one of the 911 calls from BJD, she informs that Shawn is a bit MHMR, etc. I looked up some mental health (and drug) in/out patient rehab centers & Klonopin and Ativan are some of the drugs used for treatment. There are serious side effects when these types of benzos are abused. They are an anti-anxiety med, etc. Both are highly addictive but very useful when taken appropriately. I've seen on the web places where they can be compared to Wellbutrin. This is indeed not true and misleading. Klonopin is used for various things, but again it can be addictive when abused. Following still?

Having said this, if Shawn were addicted to Klonopin, and he either took too much or missed some days dosage, it would increase the opposite feeling. If it were helping him for anxiety, it could in turn make him "snap" if he went cold turkey. Going off of BJD stating that he's a bit MHMR in her 911 call, I'm wondering if there were more to what Shawn stated in the le interview while taking the poly. Remember it was noted when le asked him who they should be looking at, Shawn's response was "Both of us"?

So, I'm wondering if the charts show either BJD being involved, also, as an accessory to the fact...or...could Shawn have been referring to another personality? MHMR also includes BiPolar Disorder, that of which Klonopin could be prescribed as one of the meds used for treatment (along with others). I know the difference between MPD & BPD, only putting this into perspective for reference...

Also, I'm not attempting to diagnose, only asking a general question. I'm simply wondering if there could be more to Shawn's response "Both of us". I keep thinking about his interest in masks, horror masks. When I read some of his first posts on that Michael Myers site, it really wigs me out that he was so serious about that stuff. I'm not saying that everybody that's into horror & masks is scary, it's just that it appears Shawn took it to the extreme. I'm wondering if the charts reflect any of this...his personality, that is. I can't help but wondering if he has a split personality of some sort, or maybe bipolar and abusing meds caught up with him.

Tuba
02-02-2011, 05:34 PM
Jersey Girl, Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX

katydid23
02-02-2011, 06:44 PM
Shawns natal , random thoughts;

Mars in Cancer, when quincunx[ inconjunct] the Jupiter in Aquarius can be FALSE BRAVADO RUN AMOK. A phony, overblown sense of self can be seen by this retrograde Aquarian Jupiter, filling his head with wild fantasies, and impossible dreams. He may be 'full of himself' as that Jupiter sextiles the Uranus in Sag, completing the Finger Of Fate. THe Jupiter and Uranus sextile is in a mutual reception. That strengthens the sextile, and it is buoyed by the Moon in Sag, which disposits his cancer sun and mars. In other words, that 'Moon/Uranus sextile Jupiter' has a lot of power over Shawns personality. He may feel that forces beyond him have some kind of control over his life and actions. He may have an overwhelming urge to become larger than life, and to be admired and even perhaps feared. The possibilities are endless when Jupiter and Uranus combine forces. But as a team they tend to run roughshod over any personal concerns.

His Sun and Mars in cancer are giving their power to the Moon/Uranus in Sag, which is inconjunct, or disconnected. His moon is the dispositor of his sun and mars. In other words, his own feelings and NEEDS [moon]take precedence in his life. [sun] His feelings[moon] dictate his actions and his daily life force.[mars/sun]

His sun and mars are at the apex of a yod. In other words, Shawn has a lot of power behind his inconjuncts. This aspect, 150 degrees, can pull people apart and even cause split personalities. He has prominent inconjunctions because they involve the sun, mars, moon, jupiter, and uranus. There is also an exact inconjunct between Uranus and the Lunar North Node @ 15 Taurus. So in some ways he may be trying to wipeout [uranus] his feminine side and yin instincts.[north node in Taurus] He most likely has a whole lot of inner turmoil and feelings of chaos, yet his Cancerian demeanor can mask much of that. Cancerian males can be very charming and nurturing. But not all of them have powerful outer planets forming inconjuncts and trumping their own personal needs.

Jersey*Girl
02-02-2011, 06:59 PM
Jersey Girl, Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6009993&postcount=117)

The "Thanks" button just wasn't enough, Tuba. Thank you so much - I should have gone through the thread prior to posting.

Katy - Thanks to you, too.

When I read some of these analysis', I can't help but to think of VanderSloot.
"larger than life" "be feared" "his own feelings & needs come first" ... etc.

Oh, and one more thanks to Belimom, whom happens to be new but has given sooo much. Welcome to Websleuths, Belimom!

belimom
02-02-2011, 07:44 PM
Clint will be doing a live radio show tonight. The station is in Lubbock but I'm not sure where Clint is, though - if he'll be there in person? I've asked and trying to find out. It will be 7:00pm EST:



Here's the link for tonight's radio show:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow

Here's the thread in the Private Forum (the Parking Lot) where you can discuss the show:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127022)


It starts in 29 minutes.



Show Name: Tonights Show: CLINT DUNN SPEAKS TO SET THE STORY STRAIGHT and PATTY KREIGER CASE
Date / Length: 2/2/2011 5:00 PM - 2 hrs
Length: 2 hrs

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/02/03/tonights-show-clint-dunn-speaks-to-set-the-story-straight-and-patty-kreiger-case

STARTS IN ABOUT 18 MINUTES.

Clint Dunn ( Hailey Dunn's Father) speaks out about his little girl tonight. We will also have 2 other special guests on with Hailey Dunn Case. Where is Hailey Dunn. Who is involved, Who is Who in this case. Clint Dunn will be here to set the story straight, and to bring Hailey into your hearts and let you all know Hailey through his eyes and his heart. LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) – On the 29th of January marks one month since 13-year-old Hailey Dunn was reported missing in Colorado City. Her mother's former boyfriend says Dunn told him she was walking to her father's house and then to friend's the day before. That's the last time anyone has seen her.

belimom
02-02-2011, 10:00 PM
Seems like he was in Snyder, from what he said about staying "here" in Snyder"...

passionflower
02-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Just a reminder that Billie Dunn will be live on radio tonight, taking calls........
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #57
for a time stamp

passionflower
02-08-2011, 01:02 PM
SA did an interview last night it aired part 1 at 10pm.
more tonight and tomorrow.

belimom
02-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Oh, and one more thanks to Belimom, whom happens to be new but has given sooo much. Welcome to Websleuths, Belimom!

(Sorry - just saw this. Thank you! I've been on WS for quite awhile - just new to the astro forums. I'm learning a lot here. :))

nursebeeme
02-08-2011, 02:28 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=339746

10 minute raw interview with SA ((part two to be put up tonight at 10pm))

Leomoon80
02-08-2011, 03:51 PM
(Sorry - just saw this. Thank you! I've been on WS for quite awhile - just new to the astro forums. I'm learning a lot here. :))

How nice when people do take the time to warmly receive someone new.
I think I said Hello and welcome to you personally, but here is my public WELCOME Belimom.

enjoyed our interaction very much.

Leomoon:seeya:

salvarenga
02-08-2011, 06:23 PM
The mask avocation & hobby is for me, a fetish and I associate it with psychopathology. Take a look on the web at "Changes in Appearance and Psychosis" by psychiatrists Campo, Nijman and Merckelbach. He resorted to the masks in a strange & gleeful way after Hailey went missing. He may even feel an identification with Maskers as a group, due to his Aquarian Jupiter sextile Uranus in Sagittarius, a mutual reception which is exact. Masks help him control his anxiety levels because he can physically CHANGE FACE. This fits tightly with his mental complex, the Mercury quincunx Neptune but square Pluto: just cover the exposure, Mercury, with an illusion, Neptune and presto, you're transformed, Pluto.

I thought about this post b/c in his most recent interview he chose to do it outside. I assume he chose outside b/c that gave him reason to where sunglasses. He would have looked kind of silly sitting inside with sunglasses on.

Andromeda
02-08-2011, 09:35 PM
Is it possible to do an event chart for SA's press conference (like what was done for Billie's)? He is the POI and he would be running counter to what any lawyer would advise him to do.

:)

FifthEssence
02-08-2011, 10:16 PM
Is it possible to do an event chart for SA's press conference (like what was done for Billie's)? He is the POI and he would be running counter to what any lawyer would advise him to do.

:)


Billie D.'s new conference was LIVE so we were able to do a chart based on the time of coverage.

It isn't the case here w/SA. The interview we saw last evening, Part 1, was taped at a time & date UNKNOWN to us.

passionflower
02-12-2011, 11:46 PM
Full Moon in Leo: Friday, February 18, 2011
February’s Leo Full Moon is opposed by not only the Sun in Aquarius, but also Mars, Neptune and Chiron—quite a mishmash of influences, making for a complex lunation.
The Leo Moon would like to be its most sunny self, unabashedly claiming attention and homage from subjects near and far.
Unfortunately, the presence of Neptune and Chiron lend a sensitivity that makes it hard for this Leo Moon to ignore the needs of the audience.
Mars, being in Aquarius, asserts himself with a strong opinion.
If you’ve got a performance scheduled during this Full Moon, be prepared for hecklers. Your awareness of the audience’s experience matters.

February’s Full Moon is called the Hunger Moon.

Will this moon hase hel or hinder the searchers this coming weekend?

Andromeda
02-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Thank you passionflower! I have a quick question: can you tell either way if the 'hunger moon' will be helpful to the "massive search" being led by two national organizations for Hailey this weekend? There will also be a volunteer appreciation dinner and a candlelight vigil on Saturday night. Not sure if any of these events are enough to strike an event chart. I'm hopeful for good news!!! God speed for Hailey.

passionflower
02-19-2011, 05:28 PM
Thank you passionflower! I have a quick question: can you tell either way if the 'hunger moon' will be helpful to the "massive search" being led by two national organizations for Hailey this weekend? There will also be a volunteer appreciation dinner and a candlelight vigil on Saturday night. Not sure if any of these events are enough to strike an event chart. I'm hopeful for good news!!! God speed for Hailey.

I do not know. I was hoping upon hope.

Frigga
02-22-2011, 03:22 PM
Wanted to update everyone that they are searching a landfill in Big Springs right now (this one has not been previously searched) and there are a total of three agencies involved according to the reports:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=345006&shr=addthis

salvarenga
02-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Wanted to update everyone that they are searching a landfill in Big Springs right now (this one has not been previously searched) and there are a total of three agencies involved according to the reports:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=345006&shr=addthis

No definite start time yet but I was following this on Facebook and there were rumblings about this possible search going on approximately 2 hours ago. Two hours ago for me would have been 10:30AM EST. However, TX is CST.

Soulscape
02-22-2011, 04:01 PM
Wanted to update everyone that they are searching a landfill in Big Springs right now (this one has not been previously searched) and there are a total of three agencies involved according to the reports:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=345006&shr=addthis


No definite start time yet but I was following this on Facebook and there were rumblings about this possible search going on approximately 2 hours ago. Two hours ago for me would have been 10:30AM EST. However, TX is CST.




Perhaps the Big Country reporter Laura Kellerman would know the Search start time. Would someone consider emailing her?

Thanks,
Soulscape


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Investigators Searching Landfill for Dunn Case Clues

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Reported by: Laura Kellerman (lkellerman@bigcountryhomepage.com)
Tuesday, February 22 2011

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images/Multi_Media/bigcountryhomepage/nxd_media/img/jpg/2011_01/9911ac57-60fd-00b4-1153-0f7784e3d830//220x165.jpg
Dogs are searching the landfill in Big Spring this afternoon looking for clues in the disappearance of Hailey Dunn, according to Colorado City city manager Pete Kampfer.

Investigators are searching the landfill as part of the elimination process of search areas.

The search may be related to follow ups on a combination of both new leads and old leads, Kampfer said.

Dunn, 13, was last seen on Dec. 27 at her home in Colorado City.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=345006

salvarenga
02-22-2011, 04:59 PM
Perhaps the Big Country reporter Laura Kellerman would know the Search start time. Would someone consider emailing her?

Thanks,
Soulscape


Done...waiting on response.

Ok, just got a response back from Laura. She does not have that information she is "still waiting for more information".

salvarenga
02-22-2011, 05:06 PM
In the meantime, I found this article:

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26955659/detail.html

It states:

Dogs were being used in the search, which started mid-morning, to possibly find anything related to Hailey Dunn's disappearance, according to Pete Kampfer, city manager for Colorado City.

I will continue to look to see if I can get a better time.

Soulscape
02-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Done...waiting on response.

Ok, just got a response back from Laura. She does not have that information she is "still waiting for more information".


In the meantime, I found this article:

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26955659/detail.html

It states:

Dogs were being used in the search, which started mid-morning, to possibly find anything related to Hailey Dunn's disappearance, according to Pete Kampfer, city manager for Colorado City.

I will continue to look to see if I can get an better time.



Thank you so much, Salvarenga.

I will be offline for a couple hours. When I come back I will look here to see if you've narrowed the time frame any further.

Thank you again,

Love,
Soulscape

salvarenga
02-22-2011, 05:49 PM
Thank you so much, Salvarenga.

I will be offline for a couple hours. When I come back I will look here to see if you've narrowed the time frame any further.

Thank you again,

Love,
Soulscape

Soulscape,

I e-mailed the KTXS author as well. She could not give my anything more specific than "mid-morning". She did say the search was a "one day thing" so it would seem to me they were looking for something very specific and not just a needle in a haystack.

salvarenga
02-22-2011, 09:18 PM
Found some more info on the landfill search today on the Help Find Hailey Dunn FB page.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=153522668038528&set=pu.141796342544494&theater#!/pages/Help-Find-Hailey-Dunn/141796342544494

This is an update from someone in the group Hailey's Angels:


Ok I am home! All of the LE left out of there about 45 minutes ago. There were 2 dogs out, very large LE presents. I have no ideal what they found or if they will be back tomorrow:O)
2 hours ago.

OK 2 hours ago at the time I looked at this would be 6:17pm EST. If you take 45 minutes away from that, it would be 5:32 pm EST. Again, I assume these times would need to be adjusted for CST in Texas.

CONNIEHU
02-22-2011, 10:17 PM
Soulscape,

I e-mailed the KTXS author as well. She could not give my anything more specific than "mid-morning". She did say the search was a "one day thing" so it would seem to me they were looking for something very specific and not just a needle in a haystack.

The earliest I could find someone posting about the search of landfill was 10:57am today. So It is probably somewhere between 8am-11am.(gets light around 7:30) Ill keep lookin to see if can narrow down closer time

Soulscape
02-23-2011, 12:12 PM
Soulscape,

I e-mailed the KTXS author as well. She could not give my anything more specific than "mid-morning". She did say the search was a "one day thing" so it would seem to me they were looking for something very specific and not just a needle in a haystack.


Found some more info on the landfill search today on the Help Find Hailey Dunn FB page.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=153522668038528&set=pu.141796342544494&theater#!/pages/Help-Find-Hailey-Dunn/141796342544494 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=153522668038528&set=pu.141796342544494&theater#%21/pages/Help-Find-Hailey-Dunn/141796342544494)

This is an update from someone in the group Hailey's Angels:



OK 2 hours ago at the time I looked at this would be 6:17pm EST. If you take 45 minutes away from that, it would be 5:32 pm EST. Again, I assume these times would need to be adjusted for CST in Texas.


The earliest I could find someone posting about the search of landfill was 10:57am today. So It is probably somewhere between 8am-11am.(gets light around 7:30) Ill keep lookin to see if can narrow down closer time


It's perplexing despite all the news coverage we can't seem to get an 'official' start time of the 2/22/2011 Search at Big Spring Landfill, but without it, any chart I may cast could be misleading.

Thanks to everyone who worked / is working on tracking down the start time of yesterday's search.

Thanks,
Soulscape

salvarenga
02-23-2011, 02:51 PM
It's perplexing despite all the news coverage we can't seem to get an 'official' start time of the 2/22/2011 Search at Big Spring Landfill, but without it, any chart I may cast could be misleading.

Thanks to everyone who worked / is working on tracking down the start time of yesterday's search.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape -

I've dug up some better information for you. This is from someone who was live and on the scene. Unfortunately, it was a reply to a private account of mine so I am not comfortable posting the actual message here. But if you need to see confirmation, I can screenshot the message and PM you.

They started yesterday (2/22) around 8AM and pulled out at 3:34pm. I can be exact on the 3:34PM part b/c the person was filming at that time and that was from the time stamp on his video. He also was told that they actually searched that same landfill the day before (2/21) as well but he didn't have any times for that.

BTW - These times that were given to me would have been his times and he's there in TX so it's CST.

Hope this helps!

Sal

CONNIEHU
02-23-2011, 03:18 PM
Okay guys I got brave and called the landfill in BS 432-264-2383 to see if I could get the official start time. The guy that answered the phon said he didnt know anything about it? So I proceeded to ask him about the security of the landfill and he told me that it is not a closed land fill. I then asked him " you mean that if I came to the landfill I could go out to it" and he said yes..... I then asked him about what the official time was that the digging began yesterday and he went back to "I dont know anything about it" So it appears that he has been told to "play dumb" But hey I tried

Soulscape
02-23-2011, 04:02 PM
Soulscape -

I've dug up some better information for you. This is from someone who was live and on the scene. Unfortunately, it was a reply to a private account of mine so I am not comfortable posting the actual message here. But if you need to see confirmation, I can screenshot the message and PM you.

They started yesterday (2/22) around 8AM and pulled out at 3:34pm. I can be exact on the 3:34PM part b/c the person was filming at that time and that was from the time stamp on his video. He also was told that they actually searched that same landfill the day before (2/21) as well but he didn't have any times for that.

BTW - These times that were given to me would have been his times and he's there in TX so it's CST.

Hope this helps!

Sal


Thank you, Salvarenga.

It's a little curious to say the least your source mentioned they actually searched the same landfill the previous day (2/21).

Why all the secrecy, especially in light of what Conniehu just posted?


Okay guys I got brave and called the landfill in BS 432-264-2383 to see if I could get the official start time. The guy that answered the phon said he didnt know anything about it? So I proceeded to ask him about the security of the landfill and he told me that it is not a closed land fill. I then asked him " you mean that if I came to the landfill I could go out to it" and he said yes..... I then asked him about what the official time was that the digging began yesterday and he went back to "I dont know anything about it" So it appears that he has been told to "play dumb" But hey I tried


If the 2/22 search was a continuation of a search conducted on 2/21, we would need to examine the chart cast for the 2/21 start time to get the correct information.

Hopefully either your source or someone they know can provide clarification about the two searches.

Thank you,
Soulscape

CONNIEHU
02-23-2011, 04:08 PM
Maybe someone else can call and ask them about what time the records show the police arriving at the landfill on the 21st. They have got to have some type of records in order to know where & what trash was dumped or how would they know where to search. I cant believe that just anyone can just go trampsing around a landfill without a reason. Besides being unsanitary it would be down right dangerous. There are records kept.. I call BS on the guy acting like he dosent know anything!

salvarenga
02-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Thank you, Salvarenga.

It's a little curious to say the least your source mentioned they actually searched the same landfill the previous day (2/21).

Why all the secrecy, especially in light of what Conniehu just posted?




If the 2/22 search was a continuation of a search conducted on 2/21, we would need to examine the chart cast for the 2/21 start time to get the correct information.

Hopefully either your source or someone they know can provide clarification about the two searches.

Thank you,
Soulscape

Search started on 2/21 at 8:30AM and ended at 2:50ish PM. The media was asked to only publicize the last day of the search.

IMO, they went in after something specific on the first day and didn't want the media videoing what it was they were taking away. The second day was more of a go back over things and make sure we didn't miss anything type day so they were more at ease with having the media tape them.

**Disclaimer: The bolded part is my opinion only. That part was not told to me by the person that gave me the time info.**

Soulscape
02-24-2011, 11:06 AM
Pisces Rising on the 2/21/2011 chart cast for 8:30 am at Big Springs, TX clearly mirrors the secrecy in which this Search begun. Few knew of it until well after the fact.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/HaileyDSEARCH22111830am.jpg


URANUS, associated with discoveries of all sorts, is rising, again confirming Authorities were focused on finding something that would be of assistance in resolving this case. We also note the sign Aries is intercepted within the 1st House, and the Part of DEATH is within, at 12:34. So is Co-Lord 1 JUPITER 06 Aries, partile square PLUTO 06 Capricorn, Lord 8 of Death.

URANUS rules the radix 12th House of all things secret. It also is the Turned 8th House of Death of the 5th House Child (Hailey). Note the SUN within House 12, as well as Co-Lord 1 NEPTUNE and Intercepted Lord 1 MARS. These testimonies suggest again searching in secrecy (12th House) for the remains and/or evidence of the death (turned 8th House) of a child.

MOON 18 Libra, ruler of the 5th House Child, is intercepted within the radix 7th House. This suggests she --- and/or evidence pertaining to her --- is hidden. MOON (Hailey) has just passed conjunction with SATURN RX, once again confirming a death (SATURN) in the past (separating aspect).

7th House gives a WEST direction, and the interception suggests something of import (if not Hailey herself) is hidden in a western direction.

***Before you even ask, no, I do not know if this symbolizes she or something related to her may be in the western area of the landfill or in a location west of the landfill***



Before the MOON can perfect the trine to MERCURY Lord 4 End of the Matter, MERCURY will have already entered Pisces, denying the successful ending. MisFORTUNE 11 Scorpio in the radix 8th House of Death semisquares the MIDHEAVEN (goal) and sesquisquares the ASCENDANT (Searchers), again suggesting a less than satisfactory ending, as does the Part of SUCCESS 20 Leo partile inconjunct VENUS 20 Capricorn, the dispositor of the Libran MOON.


I will check the continuation chart (2/22/2011 with 8:00 am start) later to see if any changes to the judgment above may be indicated.


Thanks,
Soulscape

passionflower
02-24-2011, 11:27 PM
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/

whole thread open on WS
Deviant images nd orn rticle
found in BD drawer in her bedroom

I think allot of secrets are coming to surface now by LE.
Right before the rally in Dallas.

also Fri/Sat at 9am new serch will go on.

nursebeeme
02-25-2011, 01:37 PM
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/

article was updated with more info:

child porn and bestiality... is any of this shown in the charts? Also they say they are seeing if charges are warranted..... is any of this visible as well? tia


Both the computer and the memory stick contain images depicting bestiality and child pornography, said Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs.

Criminal charges could be filed regarding the memory stick found at the Dunn residence, Toombs said.

"We will have to get with the district attorney in Howard County to see if criminal charges are warranted," Toombs said about the images reportedly found on the computer hard drive.