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Salem
01-05-2011, 04:30 PM
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Thread #1: TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thread #2: TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thread #3: TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


From everyoneneedsavoice:

I have found a wealth of information on the sentiments of the community, current activities and media efforts on the Find Hailey Dunn FB page, along with several others for which I will include the links in this post.

http://www.facebook.com/findhaileydunn
http://www.findhaileydunn.com/
http://kvmckaum.blogspot.com/ (this one also has livestream news for area)

burbqueen
01-05-2011, 04:34 PM
Ok i've been trying to keep up. Who is SA? boyfriend of Hailey or moms bf??

I'm on the fence with this one. I kinda believe that HD took off with someone other than her BF. I know her social media sites dont show any of that type behavior, but maybe was talking to someone on the side. Do we know if her friends have been questioned??

elepher50
01-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Officials confirmed Wednesday that Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Hailey’s mother, has been administered a polygraph test. He was reportedly the last person who saw Hailey before she disappeared on Dec. 27.

Officials also confirmed that Hailey’s home is being searched Wednesday for any clues that may have been missed earlier.

The search was being conducted by the Texas Rangers, who searched the home and spent 10 minutes in an outdoor storage shed.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html

CaseyLPC
01-05-2011, 04:35 PM
SA is the mom's boyfriend.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 04:36 PM
SA is mom's boyfriend

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 04:37 PM
I'd still like to know if Hailey has her device with her, whatever it is, and if she ever went to the motel to use their wifi, even in the parking lot. Otherwise, where did she use it, at her dad's?

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/searchers-check-wooded-areas-town

also bringing over from last thread.... wooded areas in town being searched for Hailey at request of the Texas Rangers. Also a new command post has been set up for the multijurisdictional task force at the mitchell county court house

elepher50
01-05-2011, 04:40 PM
Colorado City- The investigation continues into the search for Hailey Dunn.

The Texas Rangers and Colorado Police have searched the home of Dunn; they checked the backyard, the shed, and Dunn’s room.

The Rangers were seen carrying bags to their cars.


http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23222

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:42 PM
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=76136

Hailey's AMW

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 04:42 PM
I grew up in a small town and most of us teens had very specific places where we "hung out." Specific spots like the back of the 7-11, places in the woods. I liked going at 13-14 to hang with the older cool kids. Lots of underage drinking and drugs

Anything like that around ?

smg4ddg
01-05-2011, 04:43 PM
I dont post much but something about this girl I cant stop thinking about.

I have read on this that she might have had an Ipod touch. Is that known?
I just recently purchased one and I'm amazed what I can do on it. (with Wi-Fi) You can download an app that makes the ipod able to send and receive text messages. It issues an out of state number And You can change your phone number as much as wanted. And also can talk face to face with other people with the newer iphone or ipod.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:45 PM
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23222

so now we have:
1)poly of SA
2)search of wooded areas
3)search of house/property
4)bags carried out of house

hit the thanks button if you think the house search today had a search warrant attached to it.. (I cannot thank my own post but consider it done)

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 04:46 PM
EVERYONENEEDSAVOICE - Thank you for locating the link about the shoes.

I also located the one about the retesting. Other posters at the beginning of thread #3 had previously questioned this as well.

Investigators say Hailey's mother's boyfriend could not take a polygraph because he was on prescription drugs. They may retest him. A $10,000 reward was raised to $25,000...

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=13779246

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 04:46 PM
Ok i've been trying to keep up. Who is SA? boyfriend of Hailey or moms bf??

I'm on the fence with this one. I kinda believe that HD took off with someone other than her BF. I know her social media sites dont show any of that type behavior, but maybe was talking to someone on the side. Do we know if her friends have been questioned??

Boyfriend of mom.

trigger
01-05-2011, 04:46 PM
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23222

You beat me to it Elepher...

Now I want to see them searching his car...

Wise Old Owl
01-05-2011, 04:48 PM
Quote:
Colorado City- The investigation continues into the search for Hailey Dunn.

The Texas Rangers and Colorado Police have searched the home of Dunn; they checked the backyard, the shed, and Dunn’s room.

The Rangers were seen carrying bags to their cars.

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23222


Sorry elpher50, I tried to quote your post but it wouldn't pick up the quote you had from the article.

Anyway, the BBM is very telling. Could be they were just collecting some of HD's things for DNA purposes or could go the opposite way and they found evidence.

I sure hope they find her soon!!!!!

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 04:48 PM
http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23222


ick...this made me light headed.

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 04:48 PM
Nancy Grace is covering Hailey tonight!!! Just letting you all know.

belimom
01-05-2011, 04:50 PM
I wanted to bring this over from the previous thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by nursebeeme
http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/...ded-areas-town

Searchers from Texas Department of Criminal Justice Wallace/Ware units were out on horseback and foot today looking for possible clues to the disappearance of Hailey Dunn.


>>>>also says in this article that a new task force hq has been set up at the mitchell county courthouse.... more at link>>>>>


According to the article, they are searching the western edge of town in a wooded area along the river near the prison, working their way towards town, if I'm reading it correctly. If so, then this is the general area (locals, please correct me if this is not the right area) (ETA: my software only lets me choose circles or squares, so I can't outline a more accurately defined area):

ETA: I corrected the map after re-reading the article to make it more accurate...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13127&stc=1&d=1294264886

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 04:51 PM
so now we have:
1)poly of SA
2)search of wooded areas
3)search of house/property
4)bags carried out of house

hit the thanks button if you think the house search today had a search warrant attached to it.. (I cannot thank my own post but consider it done)


I don't believe they needed one. It's mom's house, all she had to do was give permission.

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 04:52 PM
I wonder what if anything LE told Billie about the LD test, the article states that she says he was given one today. If he had passed, one would think she would say he had passed one today, but maybe not.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 04:54 PM
I wonder what if anything LE told Billie about the LD test, the article states that she says he was given one today. If he had passed, one would think she would say he had passed one today, but maybe not.


I am wondering where he slept last night and where he will lay his head down tonight????

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 04:54 PM
I don't believe they needed one. It's mom's house, all she had to do was give permission.
if they are going to seize possible evidence that may be used later in a trial they would want and need to have a SW to do so...

One case example: the hollow tree case in Ohio... the boyfriend let LE into the house but the second the blood was discovered/noted they got a SW

MOO of course...

lilpony
01-05-2011, 04:54 PM
I wonder what if anything LE told Billie about the LD test, the article states that she says he was given one today. If he had passed, one would think she would say he had passed one today, but maybe not.

I don't think they tell you if you passed or not. At least I'm guessing.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 04:55 PM
I wanted to bring this over from the previous thread:






http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13125&stc=1&d=1294263067

Perfect and in the center of your photos is the 2 prisons.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 04:59 PM
if they are going to seize possible evidence that may be used later in a trial they would want and need to have a SW to do so...

One case example: the hollow tree case in Ohio... the boyfriend let LE into the house but the second the blood was discovered/noted they got a SW

MOO of course...


True, but you need probable cause for a search warrant.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 04:59 PM
I wonder what days is visitation at the prisons? I know a fair amount of people come to town to visit their loved ones that are in jail here. That number would likely increase with it being the holidays.

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 04:59 PM
I think they let you know for sure if you don't pass, and often hint to family members as well...I am pretty sure he knows how he did.

orb4me
01-05-2011, 05:01 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html

looks like im late with this one^

My understanding of a SW..is not needed if permission is given, but that can and often does come back to bite you on the ..... because "they" can always say they did not give permission..;. so its a cya.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:02 PM
True, but you need probable cause for a search warrant.
I know .... that is what I was asking of people's opinions... if they they received any probable cause type stuff today during the interview and poly of SA

maybe coincidental all the searches and bags coming out of the house on the same day... ya just never know.

liltexans
01-05-2011, 05:03 PM
What types of prisons are those? Minimum security? Maximum? Do they house mainly violent offenders? What security level? Anyone know? TIA

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 05:07 PM
I SO hope that the boyfriend is not involved in whatever happened to Hailey. It is horrible enough when a dangerous stranger becomes real and evil, but home should be safe, and I would hate it for Billie. I hope LE can rule him out, but nothing we are hearing so far is pointing that way, at least to me.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:07 PM
I know LOL..... that is what I was asking of people's opinions... if they they received any probable cause type stuff today during the interview and poly of SA

maybe coincidental all the searches and bags coming out of the house on the same day... ya just never know.


But they can't get a warrant based polygraph results

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:09 PM
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/wl.htm
wallace unit can hold 1 thousand odd male inmates plus 60 some at a work camp

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/dw.htm
the ware unit (shares same property with wallace) is a transfer facility that holds 560 odd males

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 05:11 PM
As far as a search warrant goes. I would think that it being the TEXAS RANGERS that was doing the search... more than likely they have covered all the bases.

liltexans
01-05-2011, 05:12 PM
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/wl.htm
wallace unit can hold 1 thousand odd male inmates plus 60 some at a work camp

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/dw.htm
the ware unit (shares same property with wallace) is a transfer facility that holds 560 odd males

Thanks. According to your links, they house custody levels G1, G2, G4 and Transient. I found an explanation of the custody levels here:

http://www.texasparolewatch.info/section_three/custody.aspx

LotsaLatte
01-05-2011, 05:12 PM
I wonder what days is visitation at the prisons? I know a fair amount of people come to town to visit their loved ones that are in jail here. That number would likely increase with it being the holidays.

I thought of this as well and if the dogs hit on the motel, who was staying there that may have been in town to visit?

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:14 PM
As far as a search warrant goes. I would think that it being the TEXAS RANGERS that was doing the search... more than likely they have covered all the bases.
I don't doubt it at all either.

Chili Fries
01-05-2011, 05:14 PM
I believe SA has his own place so I'm sure it would be searched too if he is a POI.

chasing.halos
01-05-2011, 05:15 PM
Another thing about the prisons... when I googled certain hotel names in Colorado City, there were message boards dedicated to family/loved ones of those incarcerated. On some of the message boards, family/loved ones were asking where to stay when they visit the prison and some of the hotels in Colorado City were mentioned.

This means that there could be a lot of people coming and going through that little town.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 05:18 PM
I hope it is not him... but, there are so many coincidences associated with him. I wonder when Billie was actually told about him losing his job. The first taping of NG she did not seem to know... then the next day on NG she did. Until we can get BF cleared it is sort of hard to look at other possibilities. The shoes still make me wonder... it is still on the missing posters that note she is wearing tennis shoes.

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 05:20 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html

looks like im late with this one^

My understanding of a SW..is not needed if permission is given, but that can and often does come back to bite you on the ..... because "they" can always say they did not give permission..;. so its a cya.

If LE don't have a search warrant for BO house, they could always ask her to sign a statement stating they had her permission.

TxLady2
01-05-2011, 05:23 PM
I don't believe they needed one. It's mom's house, all she had to do was give permission.

True, but without the SW, if they do find any evidence, a good defense lawyer will try to block it from being presented in court, and a judge could declare it inadmissable. It's always better to have a SW, just in case.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:23 PM
"Officials confirmed Wednesday that Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Hailey’s mother, has been administered a polygraph test. "

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26377567/detail.html

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:26 PM
True, but without the SW, if they do find any evidence, a good defense lawyer will try to block it from being presented in court, and a judge could declare it inadmissable. It's always better to have a SW, just in case.


You're right because there is some question if he lived there or not. Did he have a legal expectation of privacy?

winterrose
01-05-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm sorry I only have bits and pieces of info,so if the bf lost his job that morning,had his own home and wasn't picking mother up till 7pm,why did he go over to the mother's house?It was only Hailey there and the brother in and out.Was it stated what time he was there?

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:27 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/find-hailey-dunn complete coverage page including twitter feed

belimom
01-05-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm a little confused by the questions about the prison(s). Unless there were escaped prisoners, I don't think anything about the prisons have to do with the search, except just being named as the geographical location where the search was being held. It is my understand from reading the articles that there is a heavily wooded area being searched there....

So if someone had placed her somewhere, it may be the closest/easiest place from her neighborhood to get to...?

Please clarify for me if MSM has mentioned something about the prisons themselves, other than being located on the periphery of the search area. Maybe I missed something. Thanks!

ETA: Okay, I see that maybe it's the visitors coming/going...

SailorMoon
01-05-2011, 05:30 PM
I wonder what days is visitation at the prisons? I know a fair amount of people come to town to visit their loved ones that are in jail here. That number would likely increase with it being the holidays.


Vistation is still on Saturday and Sundays only, correct?? It was a couple of years ago.

dodie20
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
I'm sorry I only have bits and pieces of info,so if the bf lost his job that morning,had his own home and wasn't picking mother up till 7pm,why did he go over to the mother's house?It was only Hailey there and the brother in and out.Was it stated what time he was there? I'm confused as to why he was hanging around there too. The mom didn't get off work, for hours, so what was he doing? He didn't give Hailey a ride, so he wasn't there to help out, so I'm confused. Even if he lived there, it doesn't make much sense. Did the mother let him hang out with her kids? Also, he reportedly spent part of the day, at his own mother's. Does she have a computer? because it might be interesting, for LE to see if & where he'd been surfing.

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/find-hailey-dunn complete coverage page including twitter feed


I also noticed that they included Marc Klass' opinion posted earlier today?

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328446

SailorMoon
01-05-2011, 05:33 PM
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/wl.htm
wallace unit can hold 1 thousand odd male inmates plus 60 some at a work camp

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/dw.htm
the ware unit (shares same property with wallace) is a transfer facility that holds 560 odd males

K, I'll spread my life out there even more, my ex was in the Ware unit for a while..so there are all kinds of men in there. But the odds of them getting out and escaping.....nil. But it does happen I'm sure, if anyone was wondering. All the prisoners used to get released from Huntsville, if anyone was wondering if she met up with someone who got released, again, this was the case a couple of years ago, might have changed now but I don't think so.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 05:35 PM
K, I'll spread my life out there even more, my ex was in the Ware unit for a while..so there are all kinds of men in there. But the odds of them getting out and escaping.....nil. But it does happen I'm sure, if anyone was wondering. All the prisoners used to get released from Huntsville, if anyone was wondering if she met up with someone who got released, again, this was the case a couple of years ago, might have changed now but I don't think so.

I had asked the question because of visitors coming to town and staying at the motels.

SailorMoon
01-05-2011, 05:36 PM
Another thing about the prisons... when I googled certain hotel names in Colorado City, there were message boards dedicated to family/loved ones of those incarcerated. On some of the message boards, family/loved ones were asking where to stay when they visit the prison and some of the hotels in Colorado City were mentioned.

This means that there could be a lot of people coming and going through that little town.


Chatty Cathy here again - this is also true. At most of the prisons there is a hospitality house where people can stay for free. Never been to one, but heard they don't host a slew of people and sounded to me like a bed and breakfast type of place.

Texas is a big state and they put their inmates anywhere and everywhere they can, your inmate could be 10 hours away from you very likely so I'm sure there is alot of traffic going through there, especially with 2 prisons. FWIW.

winterrose
01-05-2011, 05:37 PM
I'm confused as to why he was hanging around there too. The mom didn't get off work, for hours, so what was he doing? He didn't give Hailey a ride, so he wasn't there to help out, so I'm confused. Even if he lived there, it doesn't make much sense. Did the mother let him hang out with her kids? Also, he reportedly spent part of the day, at his own mother's. Does she have a computer? because it might be interesting, for LE to see if & where he'd been surfing.

Yes,because he said there were sex offenders in the area,seems like he'd give her a ride to friend's four or five blocks away.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:37 PM
Marc Klass above link

"Hailey Dunn’s family, friends, school, teachers and other kids parents are the only thing that given this case traction. They took a stand and said, “Not in our community.”

Without them, nothing would have been done! imo!

SailorMoon
01-05-2011, 05:37 PM
I had asked the question because of visitors coming to town and staying at the motels.

Sorry - I covered that in my post above. I feel especially chatty and will get off now....time to go home.

That being said....lots of people in and out of that town.....I hope this has a good outcome.

CaseyLPC
01-05-2011, 05:39 PM
It is not very likely that it was an excaped or recently released inmate simply because that would be the first thing that LE would expect. The family of an inmate makes more sense. I still just feel it is someone in the community. Someone that has access to her and it would not raise suspicions, or maybe even be registered by a passer by, if they were in direct proximity/contact with HD. I can't seem to shake that feeling with this case. I definitely hope that I am wrong though and she will just come home after blowing off some steam or something.

lynnb
01-05-2011, 05:41 PM
I'm confused as to why he was hanging around there too. The mom didn't get off work, for hours, so what was he doing? He didn't give Hailey a ride, so he wasn't there to help out, so I'm confused. Even if he lived there, it doesn't make much sense. Did the mother let him hang out with her kids? Also, he reportedly spent part of the day, at his own mother's. Does she have a computer? because it might be interesting, for LE to see if & where he'd been surfing.

Has it been confirmed he was at his mom's house? I know if I had just been fired/quit from a job, the LAST person I would want to spend time with would be my mom, because she would just go on and on about me losing a perfectly good job. (but that's my mom)

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:41 PM
as per prison towns...

we were stationed at fort leavenworth for three years. There are 13 prisons in the county alone! ((we call it land of the big prisons))

In Leavenworth itself it was jokingly the saying that you were either a soldier, a prison employee or a family member who had moved to the area to be closer to a loved one.

The wallace and ware units were mentioned in the media only insomuch that the officers from those units were assisting in the search today:

Searchers from Texas Department of Criminal Justice Wallace/Ware units were out on horseback and foot today looking for possible clues to the disappearance of Hailey Dunn.

and another snip:

The search along the Colorado River continued after lunch on foot along Colorado City's southern edge from the prison to Business I-20 toward town.

http://www.ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/searchers-check-wooded-areas-town

IMHO LE did the right thing early on last friday when they checked all six hotels as well because having a prison in town does increase the liklihood of a transient perp/someone in town to visit an inmate.

all moo of course

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 05:42 PM
I think we will learn that BF does not have his own place, that he lives with Billie and sometimes stays with his mom.

TxLady2
01-05-2011, 05:43 PM
She left the house, not to be seen again. Did not make it to where she said she was going. B/F was the last known person to have seen her. He may have anger issues. (And it could be based on the results of his polygraph.) That's enough probable cause for a warrant to search the house.
They are probably not treating it as a possible crime scene, anyway.... just looking for anything that might give them a clue where Hailey might have gone, or who she was involved with. Notes, pictures, things of that nature.

impatientredhead
01-05-2011, 05:44 PM
if they are going to seize possible evidence that may be used later in a trial they would want and need to have a SW to do so...

One case example: the hollow tree case in Ohio... the boyfriend let LE into the house but the second the blood was discovered/noted they got a SW

MOO of course...

it is by far the prudent way to proceed, I hope they have one, especially if it is in question whether he lives there

liltexans
01-05-2011, 05:45 PM
I'm a little confused by the questions about the prison(s). Unless there were escaped prisoners, I don't think anything about the prisons have to do with the search, except just being named as the geographical location where the search was being held. It is my understand from reading the articles that there is a heavily wooded area being searched there....

So if someone had placed her somewhere, it may be the closest/easiest place from her neighborhood to get to...?

Please clarify for me if MSM has mentioned something about the prisons themselves, other than being located on the periphery of the search area. Maybe I missed something. Thanks!

ETA: Okay, I see that maybe it's the visitors coming/going...

Right, I wasn't so concerned about any possible escapees, but the people who may be visiting them could be a concern.

Amster
01-05-2011, 05:45 PM
Why would The Texas Rangers not have a search warrant? Seems to me they are more than qualified to investigate and do it legally.

passionflower
01-05-2011, 05:46 PM
Has it been confirmed he was at his mom's house? I know if I had just been fired/quit from a job, the LAST person I would want to spend time with would be my mom, because she would just go on and on about me losing a perfectly good job. (but that's my mom)

unless he is mom's GOLDEN BOY/

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 05:46 PM
I think LE can get a search warrant with probable cause when a child is missing this long. I also think they were indeed checking for a crime scene as well as looking for clues from Haliey's room, etc.

redcat
01-05-2011, 05:49 PM
Is it ok for the community to start a search on their own without any LE guidance?

winterrose
01-05-2011, 05:49 PM
Has the vehicle been pulled in?It seems LE is a little behind on this whole thing,sorry to say.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:50 PM
She left the house, not to be seen again. Did not make it to where she said she was going. B/F was the last known person to have seen her. He may have anger issues. (And it could be based on the results of his polygraph.) That's enough probable cause for a warrant to search the house.
They are probably not treating it as a possible crime scene, anyway.... just looking for anything that might give them a clue where Hailey might have gone, or who she was involved with. Notes, pictures, things of that nature.


I disagree. I don't believe polygraph results or refusal to take one is enough for a judge to sign a search warrant

SmilingSweetly
01-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Is it ok for the community to start a search on their own without any LE guidance?


Yep, it's a free country

liltexans
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
I haven't seen this question asked, so I'm going to throw it out here. This is just a theory, of course, but I had a thought. We don't know why SA was at BO's house in the middle of the day/afternoon when he would normally have been at work. He should have known that Hailey and/or her brother would likely be at home. Is it at all possible that Hailey walked in on SA doing something that he didn't want her to see or know about? Again, just posing the question as a thought.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
Those prisons in C-City are equal to half the population base of the city itself. I am a bit mystified by the search areas as I would have thought that there would be more effort expended behind the new Western motel by the I-20. There seems to be an expanse of unused land around that area...off to do a Google search.

TxLady2
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
I think we will learn that BF does not have his own place, that he lives with Billie and sometimes stays with his mom.

That was my impression, too, that he lived there. Billie said the b/f "got home about 3:00...." so I figure that means it's where he hangs his hat.

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
Chatty Cathy here again - this is also true. At most of the prisons there is a hospitality house where people can stay for free. Never been to one, but heard they don't host a slew of people and sounded to me like a bed and breakfast type of place.

Texas is a big state and they put their inmates anywhere and everywhere they can, your inmate could be 10 hours away from you very likely so I'm sure there is alot of traffic going through there, especially with 2 prisons. FWIW.

I love the diversity of WS and the timing of your last 2 posts made me LOL...really...thanks...I needed that!

peeples
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

A Lie detector doesn't take 4 hrs does it????

dodie20
01-05-2011, 05:53 PM
Has it been confirmed he was at his mom's house? I know if I had just been fired/quit from a job, the LAST person I would want to spend time with would be my mom, because she would just go on and on about me losing a perfectly good job. (but that's my mom) true, but not all moms are like ours. Some moms don't think their kids can do wrong. Also, he may have been there, for the internet or whatever, but she may have been gone. I was wondering what his living arrangements were. Did he have his own place? live with his mom? live with Billie full time? some moms only allow overnighters, when their kids are gone. Since he reportedly stayed at Billie's, at least some, I wouldn't expect such a young guy, to maintain his own place...especially with his mom so close. Also, do we know whose car he was driving?

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:53 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

....again GROAN

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 05:53 PM
This evening an analysis of SA’s polygraph will be posted in Hailey’s Forensic Astrology thread.

Amster
01-05-2011, 05:54 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

hmmmm....interesting.....

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 05:54 PM
Several people have taken lie detector tests in Colorado City today, as investigators try to rule out suspects in the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn.

Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend of Dunn's mother and last person to talk to Hailey, went in for a polygraph around 10 a.m. and was still with investigators from the Texas Rangers at 2 p.m.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=328456

bbm.....
long time eh?

Paulette
01-05-2011, 05:55 PM
She left the house, not to be seen again. Did not make it to where she said she was going. B/F was the last known person to have seen her. He may have anger issues. (And it could be based on the results of his polygraph.) That's enough probable cause for a warrant to search the house.
They are probably not treating it as a possible crime scene, anyway.... just looking for anything that might give them a clue where Hailey might have gone, or who she was involved with. Notes, pictures, things of that nature.

We know she left the house - but was it under her own volition?

We don't know that she was going anywhere.

We only have the bf's word for the entire story. Hailey's father's wife doesn't remember seeing her come to their house.

When did Mom leave the house for work? When was bf fired from his job?

Something stinks to high heaven about the whole story! It appears no one saw her that day, except the bf.

Runaway? Phooey...

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 05:55 PM
A Lie detector doesn't take 4 hrs does it????


It could consdiering BF is willing and talking...without a lawyer. If I were LE I'd keep him talking all night.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 05:56 PM
Is it ok for the community to start a search on their own without any LE guidance?

That is not good... they could destroy evidence. And if anything is found it could hinder a prosecution. IMHO

Paulette
01-05-2011, 05:58 PM
A Lie detector doesn't take 4 hrs does it????

I would imagine that if you pass, you're free to go. But if you fail...there might be questions from the Texas Rangers.

winterrose
01-05-2011, 05:58 PM
That was my impression, too, that he lived there. Billie said the b/f "got home about 3:00...." so I figure that means it's where he hangs his hat.

So he lost his job at 6am or the morning and got there at 3pm?Neighbor said she was outside in backyard at 12:30 talking on the phone for about a half an hour.I wonder why she went outside to use it if noone was in the house?

redcat
01-05-2011, 05:58 PM
Yep, it's a free country

I understand that....let me ask it another way...is it a GOOD IDEA to do a search without any kind of guidance? My worry is a bunch of well-intending folks out there 45 minutes before it gets dark and possibly destroying evidence.

impatientredhead
01-05-2011, 05:59 PM
I keep coming back to this nagging thought that SA lost his job because he didn't come to work that day, not because he didn't get along with one or two guys at work.

Going to work and being fired by 6:30am, to drive back to Billie's in the afternoon, and then back to pick her up in the evening doesn't ring true to me.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:00 PM
That is not good... they could destroy evidence. And if anything is found it could hinder a prosecution. IMHO


again, I disagree. The more eyes looking, the better chance of finding something. Just tell people if they find anything, don't touch it and call LE
Keep an eye out for clothing & shoes too

winterrose
01-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I believe in these missing people cases anyone should be allowed to search if they are told they don't go near or touch anything,just back away and call in.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 06:00 PM
How long does it take to administer a polygraph test?
It usually takes from 1.5 to 3 hours to properly administer a polygraph test.

http://www.accreditedpolygraphservices.com/polygraph-questions.php#question-10


very informative site on polygraph testing

peeples
01-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I understand that....let me ask it another way...is it a GOOD IDEA to do a search without any kind of guidance? My worry is a bunch of well-intending folks out there 45 minutes before it gets dark and possibly destroying evidence.

If it were me and my child or a child I knew, I'd be TELLING LE i'd be out searching and their guidance would be helpful.......

sreshowtime
01-05-2011, 06:01 PM
whoa wait a sec- Several people had taken LD tests????
oh really?

dodie20
01-05-2011, 06:01 PM
Does anyone know if the any of the brother's friends have been questioned. My twin & I have a 4 year older brother, & it was nothing for us to develop crushes on his friends. My cousin too. Those guys could've easily taken advantage of us silly girls.

belimom
01-05-2011, 06:01 PM
Has it been confirmed he was at his mom's house? I know if I had just been fired/quit from a job, the LAST person I would want to spend time with would be my mom, because she would just go on and on about me losing a perfectly good job. (but that's my mom)

I was wondering if the mom was actually home, or if he was just at his mom's house alone? Has that ever been mentioned? It does seem like I recall something on NG last night when she was questioning his whereabouts that day - that the mom said something about it being verified that he was at his mom's until 3:00? Am I recalling that correctly?

(Really wishing right now that I had not been the one to say 'no' to TV when we moved - missing our TiVo a LOT. These cases may push me to having it connected. Just sayin'...)

lisser
01-05-2011, 06:03 PM
I keep coming back to this nagging thought that SA lost his job because he didn't come to work that day, not because he didn't get along with one or two guys at work.

Going to work and being fired by 6:30am, to drive back to Billie's in the afternoon, and then back to pick her up in the evening doesn't ring true to me.


Hmmmm. Makes one wonder. That would be easy enough for LE to check with a call.

FWIW, when I got fired from a job I'd had for awhile (also a personality conflict with the new manager), it was done at the beginning of my shift, which was in the morning.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 06:03 PM
I understand that....let me ask it another way...is it a GOOD IDEA to do a search without any kind of guidance? My worry is a bunch of well-intending folks out there 45 minutes before it gets dark and possibly destroying evidence.

I noticed that a search was about to begin... Hopefully, some of these wonderful sleuthers can answer that question better than me. Tim with TES covered that during the Anthony search.

TxLady2
01-05-2011, 06:04 PM
I disagree. I don't believe polygraph results or refusal to take one is enough for a judge to sign a search warrant

You are missing the point. Based on the fact she was not seen after she left the house, the BF's word is all they have on where she was going, yet she never made it there, and IF he did not pass a LDT, that is all the probable cause they need for a SW. I don't know whether he passed or failed, I'm saying IF.... that's all.
I am in no way saying that the BF is a suspect, BUT they have to take into consideration that he is the last known person to have seen her.
My son has been in LE for over 20 years, and I know how easy it is to get a judge to sign a SW, it can be done in ten minutes.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:04 PM
http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1162770&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1162770&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

First time I noticed about the red hoop earrings - this is quite a detailed description.

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 06:05 PM
REDCAT - this is for you...I don't know what happened to your post but I thought I "quoted it"...

I'm so glad you asked...I saw all of the posts on FB and was concerned, but I don't have a FB account so didn't / couldn't post.

I don't think it's a good idea. Without professionally trained searchers, the risk of unintentionally disturbing evidence is entirely too high, IMO.

But, I do think you could call LE and ask. Not saying you would trust their response right now, and I understand that, but at least you would feel better knowing you tried.

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 06:06 PM
Yes,because he said there were sex offenders in the area,seems like he'd give her a ride to friend's four or five blocks away.

Perhaps the reason SA mentioned there were SO's living in the area was to make it appear that SODDI ???

SilkySifaka
01-05-2011, 06:06 PM
That is not good... they could destroy evidence. And if anything is found it could hinder a prosecution. IMHO

and if she is in the woods injured, it could leave her dead.

imo

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:07 PM
You are missing the point. Based on the fact she was not seen after she left the house, the BF's word is all they have on where she was going, yet she never made it there, and IF he did not pass a LDT, that is all the probable cause they need for a SW. I don't know whether he passed or failed, I'm saying IF.... that's all.
I am in no way saying that the BF is a suspect, BUT they have to take into consideration that he is the last known person to have seen her.
My son has been in LE for over 20 years, and I know how easy it is to get a judge to sign a SW, it can be done in ten minutes.


That very well be the way it works in TX. It wouldn't fly here. Being the last to see someone isn't probable cause for a warrant.
The time it takes to get a judge to sign wasn't my point.

Texas Mist
01-05-2011, 06:07 PM
I was wondering if the mom was actually home, or if he was just at his mom's house alone? Has that ever been mentioned? It does seem like I recall something on NG last night when she was questioning his whereabouts that day - that the mom said something about it being verified that he was at his mom's until 3:00? Am I recalling that correctly?

(Really wishing right now that I had not been the one to say 'no' to TV when we moved - missing our TiVo a LOT. These cases may push me to having it connected. Just sayin'...

BBM

here's what she said

BILLIE DUNN: Yes. He had been at his mother`s house all day Monday. Police have confirmed that he got home about 3:00 o`clock, and Hailey left shortly after.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html

LadyLuck
01-05-2011, 06:08 PM
In a lot of missing cases the family, friends and community search. Sometimes they have help from LE. It would need to be organized and anyone searching would need to call LE if they found anything --they should not touch anything. Ex if they found some jeans, do not take in.. make note and call LE. I have not ever helped in a search but have followed a lot of them here on WS. If it was in my community I would be out there searching. Walking the town. You have to be careful and make sure it is ok to go on someone's private property. I would try to clear it with LE

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:08 PM
I would imagine that if you pass, you're free to go. But if you fail...there might be questions from the Texas Rangers.


You're always free to go unless you are arrested;)

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 06:08 PM
again, I disagree. The more eyes looking, the better chance of finding something. Just tell people if they find anything, don't touch it and call LE
Keep an eye out for clothing & shoes too

I don't know how organized the search may be. If it were my kid I would want everyone. The TES link may have more info.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:09 PM
How long does it take to administer a polygraph test?
It usually takes from 1.5 to 3 hours to properly administer a polygraph test.

http://www.accreditedpolygraphservices.com/polygraph-questions.php#question-10


very informative site on polygraph testing

Lol...now my computer search shows looking up lie detector tests too .. heaven help me if anybody ever looks at this thing.

The only question that comes to my mind about the length of time is if they lined up more than just SA to take the test. Apparently it was reported early on that the equipment had to be brought in with the personnel to administer it from another area. So if they had more than one to administer SA could have been in a line up. Just a thought ... nothing more than a thought.

Since he finished at 2pm it would appear that he was free to go at that point and LE has not stated any persons of interest at this point.

Time to start calling out for a press conference ..........

trigger
01-05-2011, 06:09 PM
I haven't seen this question asked, so I'm going to throw it out here. This is just a theory, of course, but I had a thought. We don't know why SA was at BO's house in the middle of the day/afternoon when he would normally have been at work. He should have known that Hailey and/or her brother would likely be at home. Is it at all possible that Hailey walked in on SA doing something that he didn't want her to see or know about? Again, just posing the question as a thought.

I think I remember in the very beginning that he came home for lunch at 1pm but later learned he was there at 3pm.

Maybe that was his routine coming home for lunch, but IDK.

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 06:10 PM
I think LE can always get a warrant to search the last place a child was before they went missing...

LadyLuck
01-05-2011, 06:11 PM
I remember in the Elizabeth Smart case they had hundreds meeting every day to search.

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 06:12 PM
Lol...now my computer search shows looking up lie detector tests too .. heaven help me if anybody ever looks at this thing.

The only question that comes to my mind about the length of time is if they lined up more than just SA to take the test. Apparently it was reported early on that the equipment had to be brought in with the personnel to administer it from another area. So if they had more than one to administer SA could have been in a line up. Just a thought ... nothing more than a thought.

Since he finished at 2pm it would appear that he was free to go at that point and LE has not stated any persons of interest at this point.

Time to start calling out for a press conference .......... bbm, I think the article said at 2 pm he was still there.... but I totally agree with you! And am LOL at yours (and my) computer searches eller!!!! ((())))

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 06:13 PM
I understand that....let me ask it another way...is it a GOOD IDEA to do a search without any kind of guidance? My worry is a bunch of well-intending folks out there 45 minutes before it gets dark and possibly destroying evidence.

I think it would be better for Billie or Clint to contact Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch and ask him to come in. Then people can volunteer to search with him. It has to be family or law enforcement that contacts them. Once they know if and when he can come, the decision could be made on whether it was important to do another search before that. I can understand wanting to search and if Tim Miller was going to take a week to get there I'd be searching on my own too.

http://texasequusearch.org/contact-tes/


Nancy Grace is covering Hailey tonight!!! Just letting you all know.

Billie's friend said yesterday that Billie had been invited back for Thursday. Nancy's page says talks about Hailey's Mom telling them things giving the impression she would be on the show... so I wonder if that is still up there from yesterday. It talks about everything that was on the show yesterday.

If it changes to the boyfriend has taken a polygraph, the house being searched, the woods being searched, etc then we will know it is for tonight. For now I am going to assume it's not.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:15 PM
Are there any storage facilities nearby?

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 06:17 PM
Right, I wasn't so concerned about any possible escapees, but the people who may be visiting them could be a concern.

Don't the prisons keep a log of all the visitors that come to visit the inmates?

This case is receiving alot of publicity, so I imagine if a prisoner had escaped recently, a prison official would contact LE.

Are prisoners allowed day passes or weekend passes?

Tonya3178
01-05-2011, 06:17 PM
This evening an analysis of SA’s polygraph will be posted in Hailey’s Forensic Astrology thread.

Where can this be found?

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:18 PM
IMO a search now could save her life if she's been injured and laying somewhere.

Seems this wasn't taken this all that seriously till sometime Monday when the heat was turned up by the media. She could have been dumped injured somewhere that night.

If I lived anywhere near there, I would be out searching.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:18 PM
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Earlier today, officials confirmed they had administered a polygraph test to Adkins, KTXS reported. Investigators have not yet commented on the results. The news station also reports that investigators were seen searching Hailey's Chestnut Street home, as well as an outdoor storage shed. What, if anything, was found remains unclear.


http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/05/teenage-cheerleader-hailey-dunn-disappears-in-small-texas-town/

Chili Fries
01-05-2011, 06:18 PM
Hi Chili Fries--In the an earlier Websleuths thread from 1/3/11 TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2 under post #346 you said the BF name is Shawn C. Adkins. Do you know if his middle name is Casey? I found a Shawn Casey Adkins- age 25 from Dunn, TX, on the Taylor County court records search site. Just trying to confirm if this is him? Thanks for your help.

MarlaMe

Since Dunn is right next to Colorado City and he is 25 I think there is an extremely high probability that it's him.

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 06:18 PM
Did the boyfriend fail the polygraph?

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Are there any storage facilities nearby?

looks to be two:

colorado city storage - Google Maps

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:20 PM
Where can this be found?

Here:

Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:20 PM
Did the boyfriend fail the polygraph?

we dunno yet

Paulette
01-05-2011, 06:20 PM
Where can this be found?

It's under Forums. Forensic Astrology. Hailey has her own thread there.

Amster
01-05-2011, 06:21 PM
I wonder if any family members have been searching? How could they stand not to?

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:21 PM
looks to be two:

colorado city storage - Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&q=colorado+city+storage&fb=1&gl=us&hq=storage&hnear=Colorado+City,+Mitchell,+Texas&t=h&z=14)

wonder if BF has a spot there? or mom and he has access to the keys?

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 06:23 PM
thanks Linda!! btw i was telling the 12 year old girl I babysit about this case not to scare her but more as a way to let her know that this type of thing happens and she said "That's scary" I didn't tell her anything about the case just this girl was walking to her friends house and disappeared and she was like "That's scary" we live in a small town of 500. Still better safe than sorry to make her aware that type of thing happens!

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:23 PM
I wonder if any family members have been searching? How could they stand not to?


Didn't they say Dad has been searching?

winterrose
01-05-2011, 06:23 PM
BBM

here's what she said

BILLIE DUNN: Yes. He had been at his mother`s house all day Monday. Police have confirmed that he got home about 3:00 o`clock, and Hailey left shortly after.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html

Okay so she said,he got home,which I'm assuming meaning his home,also.So the question is,he said she left in tennis shoes and sweat pants,but weren't her tennis shoes found in the home?If she was going to meet a boy,I can't see her leaving in sweats.I can't see a teen leaving without anything and her Mom,although she said it wasn't unusual,seemed a little hesitate on saying it.Maybe she wants to be careful in what she says,at this point.

I don't care where you live,kids shouldn't be walking alone anywhere,as in Oklahoma those two girls walking on a dirt road in the country.There needs to be a mass awareness campaign,like "drink milk",but "there's predators waiting to grab your kids" for those parents who don't keep up with missing kids being taken everyday.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:24 PM
thanks Linda!! btw i was telling the 12 year old girl I babysit about this case not to scare her but more as a way to let her know that this type of thing happens and she said "That's scary" I didn't tell her anything about the case just this girl was walking to her friends house and disappeared and she was like "That's scary" we live in a small town of 500. Still better safe than sorry to make her aware that type of thing happens!


I've been scareing the crap outta my 13 year old son for YEARS now;) As parents we have to!

Amster
01-05-2011, 06:24 PM
Do Billie and and Haileys dad own the house? I understand they are not yet divorced. If they own it, together, could he ok a search of the house and property?

nursebeeme
01-05-2011, 06:25 PM
thanks Linda!! btw i was telling the 12 year old girl I babysit about this case not to scare her but more as a way to let her know that this type of thing happens and she said "That's scary" I didn't tell her anything about the case just this girl was walking to her friends house and disappeared and she was like "That's scary" we live in a small town of 500. Still better safe than sorry to make her aware that type of thing happens! it IS scary stuff.. some of you guys may know this but when I was in 6th grade my friend tina harmon went missing from our small town with one stoplight and was abducted, raped, and murdered by a stranger. they tried to say she ran away too... so yes, this is very scary... and does happen in small towns....

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:25 PM
Since Dunn is right next to Colorado City and he is 25 I think there is an extremely high probability that it's him.

Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. This looks to be him - he was released 08/08/2010.

Amster
01-05-2011, 06:26 PM
Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. If this is him he was released 08/08/2010.

Released for what? From where?

dodie20
01-05-2011, 06:26 PM
Lol...now my computer search shows looking up lie detector tests too .. heaven help me if anybody ever looks at this thing.

The only question that comes to my mind about the length of time is if they lined up more than just SA to take the test. Apparently it was reported early on that the equipment had to be brought in with the personnel to administer it from another area. So if they had more than one to administer SA could have been in a line up. Just a thought ... nothing more than a thought.

Since he finished at 2pm it would appear that he was free to go at that point and LE has not stated any persons of interest at this point.

Time to start calling out for a press conference .......... oh lord, some of the things I've googled in the name of websleuths, lol. everything from how to cook meth, to the price of crack, to a serial killer's last meal...which brings something weird, to mind. My daughter, her bf, & his cousin were visiting 1 night, & I let the cuz use our computer. They left & dropped off the cousin, & within an hour, he had the cops called on him, for exposing himself to a neighbor lady. So, naturally, I wondered what he'd been looking at on out computer. It had all been deleted, lol. It seems that certain people, with certain mindsets, can be fueled by pictures or video, or whatever. & I think the internet might have played a role in this case.

SuziQ
01-05-2011, 06:27 PM
I remember in the Elizabeth Smart case they had hundreds meeting every day to search.

And they didn't find her. Which is the usual case. That was many years ago. Today, private searches by untrained civilians are highly discouraged. Too many searchers were getting lost and hurt. Then there is the trespassing issue. Find something on private land you don't have permission to search and a defense attorney will claim it was planted and have it thrown out. Searching randomly doesn't net results. You need some good intel and usually that comes through LE.

Weighing the good against the bad, LE highly recommends no private searches.

Laddsy
01-05-2011, 06:28 PM
Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. This looks to be him - he was released 08/08/2010.

What was he in for?

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:28 PM
Okay in Texas what would be an outstanding 'C' PI charge - anybody know?

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 06:29 PM
There are lots of predators out there, but sadly enough as we well know, there are far too many in the home as well.

Chili Fries
01-05-2011, 06:29 PM
Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. If this is him he was released 08/08/2010.
Yeah I feel sure it's him but a public intoxication arrest probably doesn't mean anything. Still, good job by marlame finding it, Texas is a frustrating state because so many counties lack court record searches.

winterrose
01-05-2011, 06:30 PM
Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. This looks to be him - he was released 08/08/2010.

I think the father is in his 30's,has about 4 kids.Oh never mind,I thought you meant the father,read it too fast and saw Dunn.

Amster
01-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Okay in Texas what would be an outstanding 'C' PI charge - anybody know?

Public Intoxication....does he have an outstanding warrant?

TGIRecovered
01-05-2011, 06:32 PM
Another thing about the prisons... when I googled certain hotel names in Colorado City, there were message boards dedicated to family/loved ones of those incarcerated. On some of the message boards, family/loved ones were asking where to stay when they visit the prison and some of the hotels in Colorado City were mentioned.

This means that there could be a lot of people coming and going through that little town.

All of the following is My Opinion Only, just me!

Prisons are all full of gang members. Gang members have friends and family who visit. Some gangs are involved in human trafficing. Someone who had a weekend prison visit scheduled might stay over Sunday night, especially during the holidays.

People who do drugs need more money to support their habit. Some people sell drugs, and some sell people. If a person fails to pay money owed for drugs, sometimes a dealer will take something he can sell to settle the debt.

I don't know if Hailey's disappearance has anything to do with drugs but the possibility is there, considering the number of inmates being housed in the prisons in Colorado City.

I am not saying that I think that this is the most probable motive in this case but I think I'll have to add it to my list of possible scenerios.

1. Rape and murder
2. Planned murder to silence her, (Did she know a secret about her killer)
3. Accidental death and cover-up
4. Sold for drug debt

I think that is is possible but least likely that Hailet made it out of the house that day and was taken off the street. I am 99% sure she did not run away but if she did, she met up with foul play. JMO

I also want to say that prescription drugs are so frequently abused these days that the possibiliity exists that:

A) The drug may or may not have been taken in an attempt to thwart the
test.
B) It may or may not have been prescribed for the person who took it.

C) The amount taken may or may not have been a recommended
theraputic amount.

D) It may or may not have been prescribed for the person who took it.

Remember: It's just my opinion, and I could be a total airhead!

winterrose
01-05-2011, 06:33 PM
Yeah I feel sure it's him but a public intoxication arrest probably doesn't mean anything. Still, good job by marlame finding it, Texas is a frustrating state because so many counties lack court record searches.

Unless someone was angry because something happened that day and was drinking.The disappearance wasn't reported until the next day,because noone verified where she was that night.

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 06:33 PM
If I was at work with no vehicle and my child went missing. I would be asking anyone to drive me to the police station... and calling my boyfriend to meet me there. I wouldn't be waiting 10 minutes for him to get there, much less 20 or 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Billie did. Have a coworker (or even family member of a patient, I would do that for any of our nurses) takes her to the police station immediately and Shawn meets her there and takes her home.

So the BF has to go get mom from work in Snyder to bring her to the PD in C-City to report Hailey missing? That is interesting because IMO it takes about 20 minutes to get to Snyder, so that is a good 40-45 minutes to get from C-City to Snyder and back to C-City.


S A

"I would never do anything to that little girl, I love her with all my heart."

S A... (her name is Hailey.)


M C....

"I love that little girl more than anything. I would never hurt her."

M C...(her name is Haleigh.)

elepher50
01-05-2011, 06:35 PM
Public Intoxication....does he have an outstanding warrant?

Discharged 08/08/2010 = all clear.

Tonya3178
01-05-2011, 06:35 PM
I don't know how organized the search may be. If it were my kid I would want everyone. The TES link may have more info.

If you find out about being able to help search, I am in Snyder and would like to help while my kids are in school.

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:37 PM
If I was at work with no vehicle and my child went missing. I would be asking anyone to drive me to the police station... and calling my boyfriend to meet me there. I wouldn't be waiting 10 minutes for him to get there, much less 20 or 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Billie did. Have a coworker (or even family member of a patient, I would do that for any of our nurses) takes her to the police station immediately and Shawn meets her there and takes her home.




S A ..

"I would never do anything to that little girl, I love her with all my heart."

S A... (her name is Hailey.)


M C....

"I love that little girl more than anything. I would never hurt her."

M C...(her name is Haleigh.)

and Patsy Ramsey. "loved that child"

majieof3
01-05-2011, 06:37 PM
Have seen his address listed as Dunn, Texas. This looks to be him - he was released 08/08/2010.

If that is accurate. Then someone lied. Wasn't it said they BO and SA have been dating for a year?

peeples
01-05-2011, 06:37 PM
NG blog talking about the poly that was planned etc.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/05/mother%E2%80%99s-boyfriend-takes-polygraph-home-reportedly-searched/

dodie20
01-05-2011, 06:38 PM
Okay in Texas what would be an outstanding 'C' PI charge - anybody know? probably a public intoxication arrest, which is real common, here in Texas, amongst young people. But what does interest me, is how drinking, combined with prescription meds, might affect him.

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 06:40 PM
Okay in Texas what would be an outstanding 'C' PI charge - anybody know?

It isn't outstanding but it's the arrest from his Criminal Public Intoxication. If you look him up in the Criminal Court it comes up, then in the jail records as well. Same case with the same date. Happened on 8/8/2010 and arrested on 8/12/2010.

As of 01/05/2011 he had paid his fines as well.

http://69.39.36.76/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=16919630

Linda7NJ
01-05-2011, 06:44 PM
I am just soooo on the fence about the BF.

One minute I'm thinking he had nothing to do with it and the next I'm wondering.

He has been exceptionally cooperative, said he didn't care that suspecion was on him on NG show just glad the child's face is out there...etc... then the whole left work at 6 and spent the day with the one person in the world that would lie for him IMO) ..his mom...last one to see her...geeez, my head is spinning

Truthwillsetufree
01-05-2011, 06:44 PM
This may be old news for all of you but then again, maybe not, it seems to be confirmation of dogs hitting on a ground floor room at the hotel and the Amber Alert synopsis.....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-refuses-issue-amber-alert-missing-girl-hailey/story?id=12547213&page=1

Chili Fries
01-05-2011, 06:44 PM
Since his address in that August 2010 arrest record for public intoxication is on county road 4132 in Dunn he might have another place of residence (we know from Nancy Grace last night that his mom lives in Big Spring, although we don't know how long she has lived there) or at least we know that he did have one recently.

liltexans
01-05-2011, 06:46 PM
I am just soooo on the fence about the BF.

One minute I'm thinking he had nothing to do with it and the next I'm wondering.

He has been exceptionally cooperative, said he didn't care that suspecion was on him on NG show just glad the child's face is out there...etc... then the whole left work at 6 and spent the day with the one person in the world that would lie for him IMO) ..his mom...last one to see her...geeez, my head is spinning

I feel the same way. Can't rule him out yet, but can't completely rule him in yet either.

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 06:49 PM
I just need some clarification: BF gets fired in a.m. Picks girlfriend up at work and doesn't mention it. Losing a job is a life event and you don't bring it up. It takes a pretty good actor to hide something so devasting from someone so close.
If i got this timing right. moo

dodie20
01-05-2011, 06:49 PM
If I was at work with no vehicle and my child went missing. I would be asking anyone to drive me to the police station... and calling my boyfriend to meet me there. I wouldn't be waiting 10 minutes for him to get there, much less 20 or 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Billie did. Have a coworker (or even family member of a patient, I would do that for any of our nurses) takes her to the police station immediately and Shawn meets her there and takes her home.




Shawn Adkins..

"I would never do anything to that little girl, I love her with all my heart."

Shawn Adkins... (her name is Hailey.)


Misty Croslin....

"I love that little girl more than anything. I would never hurt her."

Misty Croslin...(her name is Haleigh.) I noticed the similarities too, but people around here, do talk like that, especially females. What bothered me, was him saying that he loved Hailey with all his heart, just as if she was his own. I don't think he met her until she was older, he didn't play a part in her upbringing, & her own dad, who lives right across the street, seems to be really involved in her life. & this guy is way too young, to feel a parental bond, with teenagers, I would think.

liltexans
01-05-2011, 06:52 PM
I noticed the similarities too, but people around here, do talk like that, especially females. What bothered me, was him saying that he loved Hailey with all his heart, just as if she was his own. I don't think he met her until she was older, he didn't play a part in her upbringing, & her own dad, who lives right across the street, seems to be really involved in her life. & this guy is way too young, to feel a parental bond, with teenagers, I would think.

I agree, unless he meant it (loving Hailey) literally, but frankly, that's just too skeevy to think about.

liltexans
01-05-2011, 06:54 PM
Do we know if anyone has talked to SA's former girlfriend(s)? Often exes have pretty good insight into someone's character, habits, typical behaviors, etc. What about his former coworkers? Either at the recent job or one before that?

passionflower
01-05-2011, 07:02 PM
It's a week now, and I have a very bad feeling in my gut about all of this.............JMOO
Why no poly's and house search on everyone on day 1 of her reported missing.
Even if SA was to RX'd........asap, why now a week later???
How big is the police force in this little town?
Are they experienced in children disappearing???
How long DID BO know SA before he semi moved in?
What does those close to Bo think about SA and Hailey's relationship?
Did Hailey like him or complain about him?

Patty G
01-05-2011, 07:04 PM
This is what BD's best friend wrote in a post about the sneakers; the link is to a majority of her earliers posts.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #2

Posted by cztgz;
Another thing.... Hailey was wearing a t-shirt and sweats. I figured that she had tennis shoes on, but Billie told me that she was wearing flip flops. Billie found Hailey's hoodie in her room. It has been pretty chilly here, and that about tore her up thinking about Hailey being cold.


IMO, the BF must of been the one that gave the description of the clothing Hailey was wearing considering the mother had to be at work at 7:00 AM; unless of course BD went through all of Hailey's clothing to see what was missing. JMO

Truthwillsetufree
01-05-2011, 07:06 PM
I wanted to bring this over from the previous thread:






ETA: I corrected the map after re-reading the article to make it more accurate...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13127&stc=1&d=1294264886

I wonder why this area was chosen...

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 07:07 PM
Where can this be found?

FYI, On WS main page the forensic astrology forum is listed last in the 'Current Events' section.

Here is an easy way to locate any thread/forum on WS: Just below your user name which is at the top of every page, there is a blue menu bar with a “SEARCH” button with an arrow beside it. Click on the arrow and type ‘forensic astrology forum’, press go and you will be there in a matter of seconds.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 07:13 PM
I wonder why this area was chosen...

Sure wish I had an answer for this question as it has me puzzled. Wouldn't be searched for no good reason. Would have thought they would search around the new Western motel near the I-20. Am truly baffled unless phone records have shown something?

elepher50
01-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Does anybody know if Dad Clint was working that day and what his scheule was like? I can't recall seeing anything in MSM on whether he was at work or at home.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 07:17 PM
I wonder why this area was chosen...

The areas around the prisons are normally patroled. I am thinking they may have expanded the patrol to help rule out specific areas. The original circle on the map (IMO) seemed to cover the area better.

x_files
01-05-2011, 07:17 PM
If I was at work with no vehicle and my child went missing. I would be asking anyone to drive me to the police station... and calling my boyfriend to meet me there. I wouldn't be waiting 10 minutes for him to get there, much less 20 or 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Billie did. Have a coworker (or even family member of a patient, I would do that for any of our nurses) takes her to the police station immediately and Shawn meets her there and takes her home.




Shawn Adkins..

"I would never do anything to that little girl, I love her with all my heart."

Shawn Adkins... (her name is Hailey.)


Misty Croslin....

"I love that little girl more than anything. I would never hurt her."

Misty Croslin...(her name is Haleigh.)

Glad you mentioned it. It is weird. Haleigh, Hailey (the name) has been in the news lately with other missing children. I think 3-4 cases beside Haleigh Cummings.

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 07:20 PM
New Article:

Colorado City City Manager Pete Kampfer, speaking on behalf of the Colorado City police, said he was unable to comment on the details of the investigation but said they are becoming more defined.

After a meeting with law enforcement Wednesday afternoon, Kampfer said that Texas Rangers are arriving at a better focus in the case. Kampfer described the investigation as “instead of shooting at a barn side” law enforcement agents are “getting down to the door.”

Parents and teachers cited a strong sense of community as the reason for their concern and involvement in the case.

“This is our town,” Andra Maxwell, Hailey’s eighth-grade U.S. history teacher, said. “We don’t take kindly to something going awry in our town. (We’re a) small community, and that’s part of it. We try to take care of our own.”

Kampfer said Hailey, daughter of Billie and Clint Dunn, didn’t have a history of being a runaway.

More at link:

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/jan/05/colorado-city-turns-out-to-search-for-girl-13/

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 07:23 PM
I too thought it was more odd that SA claimed to love Hailey at all than how he referred to her; it is just not something you expect a BF of maybe a year or so to say, when she has two parents right there and active in her life. It kinds of gave me the creeps.

Princess of Oz
01-05-2011, 07:23 PM
I just need some clarification: BF gets fired in a.m. Picks girlfriend up at work and doesn't mention it. Losing a job is a life event and you don't bring it up. It takes a pretty good actor to hide something so devasting from someone so close.
If i got this timing right. moo

IF she already talked to her son and knew Hailey was missing, she was probably talking about that. I know if I were riding with someone that just found out their child was missing, the last thing I would do is tell them more bad news (ie: job loss). I am NOT defending him, just mho.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 07:27 PM
I wonder why this area was chosen...

Sure wish I had an answer for this question as it has me puzzled. Wouldn't be searched for no good reason. Would have thought they would search around the new Western motel near the I-20. Am truly baffled unless phone records have shown something?

TDCJ has mounted patrol and the areas searched today are either TDCJ property or adjacent to TDCJ property. A good portion of that area would have to be searched by foot or mount.

There is not much area around the new motel to search. On one side it is an IH and the other a street.

As far as phone pings there may only be one tower in that area for all phones to ping off of.

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 07:29 PM
IF she already talked to her son and knew Hailey was missing, she was probably talking about that. I know if I were riding with someone that just found out their child was missing, the last thing I would do is tell them more bad news (ie: job loss). I am NOT defending him, just mho.
He lost his job Monday morning. Billie wasn't aware that Hailey was actually missing until noon time Tuesday.

belimom
01-05-2011, 07:29 PM
IF she already talked to her son and knew Hailey was missing, she was probably talking about that. I know if I were riding with someone that just found out their child was missing, the last thing I would do is tell them more bad news (ie: job loss). I am NOT defending him, just mho.

True, but he lost his job the day before...

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 07:31 PM
I think the father is in his 30's,has about 4 kids.Oh never mind,I thought you meant the father,read it too fast and saw Dunn.

Clint has two children with BO, DD and Hailey, and his girlfriend was seen holding a newborn. Do Clint and the gf have another child? TIA

trigger
01-05-2011, 07:31 PM
I am just soooo on the fence about the BF.

One minute I'm thinking he had nothing to do with it and the next I'm wondering.

He has been exceptionally cooperative, said he didn't care that suspecion was on him on NG show just glad the child's face is out there...etc... then the whole left work at 6 and spent the day with the one person in the world that would lie for him IMO) ..his mom...last one to see her...geeez, my head is spinning

Im going back and forth with the BF but what really gets to me is when her mom realized she left wearing her flip flops and not her tennis shoes and then found her HOODIE in her room. Her mom stated it has been pretty chilly here, and that about tore her up thinking about Hailey being cold.

Who would leave their home in flip flops and no jacket when going anywhere for the night??

majieof3
01-05-2011, 07:32 PM
If I was at work with no vehicle and my child went missing. I would be asking anyone to drive me to the police station... and calling my boyfriend to meet me there. I wouldn't be waiting 10 minutes for him to get there, much less 20 or 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Billie did. Have a coworker (or even family member of a patient, I would do that for any of our nurses) takes her to the police station immediately and Shawn meets her there and takes her home.




S A..

"I would never do anything to that little girl, I love her with all my heart."

S A... (her name is Hailey.)


M C....

"I love that little girl more than anything. I would never hurt her."

M C ...(her name is Haleigh.)

When was it said that SA was in C.City on Tuesday? The day BO heard from DD that HD wasn't at MB house.

belimom
01-05-2011, 07:32 PM
Clint has two children with BO, David and Hailey, and his girlfriend was seen holding a newborn. Do Clint and the gf have another child? TIA

I think they're talking about SA's father...? :waitasec: (I was a bit confused by it, too, but it appeared in a post about SA, I believe -- about the father having 4 children).

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 07:32 PM
True, but he lost his job the day before...

I don't think she knew till a couple days ago...

majieof3
01-05-2011, 07:33 PM
It was said that he was at home on Monday afternoon, nothing was said about Tuesday.

SilkySifaka
01-05-2011, 07:34 PM
True, but he lost his job the day before...

Many men find it difficult to impossible to tell their loved ones they lost their job. They feel so muich like a failure. Numerous cases of men who leave the home for months, dressed in a suit and tie, with briefcase and go to the public library for the day until "work" is over so the wife never knows. Not sure how they hide the finances but probably in those cases they had enough savings they could play with.

belimom
01-05-2011, 07:35 PM
I don't think she knew till a couple days ago...

That's my point... I think we're all under the impression that she didn't know until just a day or two ago -- between NG's first interview and her 2nd one. That's my interpretation of events anyway. Anyone else?

MCDRAW
01-05-2011, 07:35 PM
Im going back and forth with the BF but what really gets to me is when her mom realized she left wearing her flip flops and not her tennis shoes and then found her HOODIE in her room. Her mom stated it has been pretty chilly here, and that about tore her up thinking about Hailey being cold.

Who would leave their home in flip flops and no jacket when going anywhere for the night??


My 17 year old wears flip flops all year round. She can't stand shoes. At the same time she would never leave without her hoodie.

Princess of Oz
01-05-2011, 07:35 PM
He lost his job Monday morning. Billie wasn't aware that Hailey was actually missing until noon time Tuesday.


Wow my brain must be off today. You're right sorry. I should think then type. :truce:

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Where was boyfriend on Tuesday when mom first learned that H was missing? That part is vague to me. He had slept there the night previously, I believe. Was he still at the house? And if he had not gone to work, wouldn't mom want to know why? Or does she leave first?

KathrynL
01-05-2011, 07:37 PM
If this is a repeat, please excuse me. Found this snippet interesting:

Billie Dunn declined to comment while authorities were in her home and asked reporters to return in the afternoon. But later in the day, Dunn was no longer at home and was seen walking with officers between the Colorado City Police Department and the Mitchell County Courthouse.

The reason she was with law enforcement officers is not immediately clear.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/?partner=yahoo_feeds

mommaJack
01-05-2011, 07:38 PM
My husband and about 15 others (including 2 people from Big Spring) are out right now searching on foot around that Hotel, down the alleys, over to Hailey's house, her dad's house and over to MB's house.

belimom
01-05-2011, 07:39 PM
Many men find it difficult to impossible to tell their loved ones they lost their job. They feel so muich like a failure. Numerous cases of men who leave the home for months, dressed in a suit and tie, with briefcase and go to the public library for the day until "work" is over so the wife never knows. Not sure how they hide the finances but probably in those cases they had enough savings they could play with.

That may be true, but when your GF's daughter is missing, you need to come clean on the facts: when the last time you saw her.

- first: mom said she assumed he had come home at 1:00 since that's his lunch break (wouldn't he have corrected her before she told LE, or soon after?)

- second: mom learns it was 3:00

- third: new details about him losing his job

We're talking about a full week, IF it's correct that she just learned about it a day or two ago.

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 07:39 PM
Many men find it difficult to impossible to tell their loved ones they lost their job. They feel so muich like a failure. Numerous cases of men who leave the home for months, dressed in a suit and tie, with briefcase and go to the public library for the day until "work" is over so the wife never knows. Not sure how they hide the finances but probably in those cases they had enough savings they could play with.

If you actually get fired you can often collect unemployment. I know a guy who supported his not working, pregnant wife... including a trip to Hawaii on unemployment. While she continued to think he was employed. He was gone from 9-5 everyday for those few months.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 07:41 PM
My husband and about 15 others (including 2 people from Big Spring) are out right now searching on foot around that Hotel, down the alleys, over to Hailey's house, her dad's house and over to MB's house.

Wow mommaJack - are you the group with the flashlights?

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 07:42 PM
If anyone gets through on NG its important to understand when she was actually told he lost his job and what did they do Monday nite, not that i think they did too much if she worked a 12 hour day.

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Also:

Law enforcement officers were at the home of the missing teen this morning. Later in the day, the teen’s mother, Billie Dunn, was seen being escorted by Colorado City Police Department officers from the police station to the Mitchell County Courthouse.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/?partner=yahoo_feeds

The courthouse is the command center.

She was walking... so I don't think they just gave her horrible news.

I hope they didn't just tell her that her boyfriend flunked his polygraph... I am guessing they just gave her a routine update and then went over to the command center with her?

That's what I'm going to hope for anyway.


If this is a repeat, please excuse me. Found this snippet interesting:

Billie Dunn declined to comment while authorities were in her home and asked reporters to return in the afternoon. But later in the day, Dunn was no longer at home and was seen walking with officers between the Colorado City Police Department and the Mitchell County Courthouse.

The reason she was with law enforcement officers is not immediately clear.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 07:43 PM
Wow mommaJack - are you the group with the flashlights?
thank you elepher, God's speed, mommaJack and friends.

passionflower
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
If this is a repeat, please excuse me. Found this snippet interesting:

Billie Dunn declined to comment while authorities were in her home and asked reporters to return in the afternoon. But later in the day, Dunn was no longer at home and was seen walking with officers between the Colorado City Police Department and the Mitchell County Courthouse.

The reason she was with law enforcement officers is not immediately clear.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/?partner=yahoo_feeds

I wonder if it is to break some new info to her that is not good.........like BF failed the poly??? found clues in shed??? ask her more questions about someone???

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
If anyone gets through on NG its important to understand when she was actually told he lost his job and what did they do Monday nite, not that i think they did too much if she worked a 12 hour day.

It would also be nice to know if Hailey had an IPAD or IPOD Touch... precisely which one. You know...these things that have the option to add an app that enables GPS to track where it is? Knowing whether or not she has one, whether or not it was with her and whether or not she had the GPS app would be nice too.

Tainted Angel
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
If you actually get fired you can often collect unemployment. I know a guy who supported his not working, pregnant wife... including a trip to Hawaii on unemployment. While she continued to think he was employed. He was gone from 9-5 everyday for those few months.

Seems to me though that the type of man that would do that would be in a breadwinner role for his family.

A single 25 year old guy dating a woman with a job living in her own house with teenage children doesn't strike me as the type of personality to worry about fooling his girlfriend about losing a job.

Crosby87
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
I just need some clarification: BF gets fired in a.m. Picks girlfriend up at work and doesn't mention it. Losing a job is a life event and you don't bring it up. It takes a pretty good actor to hide something so devasting from someone so close.
If i got this timing right. moo

Because SA withheld this information from BO, I believe he may be involved in Hailey's disappearance. I'm glad he took a poly. MO.

mommaJack
01-05-2011, 07:44 PM
Wow mommaJack - are you the group with the flashlights?

Where did you see them? They had flashlights.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 07:46 PM
Also:

Law enforcement officers were at the home of the missing teen this morning. Later in the day, the teen’s mother, Billie Dunn, was seen being escorted by Colorado City Police Department officers from the police station to the Mitchell County Courthouse.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/?partner=yahoo_feeds

The courthouse is the command center.

She was walking... so I don't think they just gave her horrible news.

I hope they didn't just tell her that her boyfriend flunked his polygraph... I am guessing they just gave her a routine update and then went over to the command center with her?

That's what I'm going to hope for anyway.

Maybe to sign for the search warrant?

elepher50
01-05-2011, 07:47 PM
Where did you see them? They had flashlights.

X-ray vision here ... just know that there was a group of local folks who were meeting by the new Western motel tonight and heading out with flashlights to search for Hailey.

mommaJack
01-05-2011, 07:49 PM
X-ray vision here ... just know that there was a group of local folks who were meeting by the new Western motel tonight and heading out with flashlights to search for Hailey.

WOW!! That was a little creepy. LOL Yes that was them.

trigger
01-05-2011, 07:49 PM
My husband and about 15 others (including 2 people from Big Spring) are out right now searching on foot around that Hotel, down the alleys, over to Hailey's house, her dad's house and over to MB's house.

Bless their hearts :praying:

thejoker101
01-05-2011, 07:51 PM
Colorado City turns out to search for girl, 13
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/jan/05/colorado-city-turns-out-to-search-for-girl-13/

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 07:54 PM
REMINDER: Nancy Grace on in 5 minutes!!!

Texas Mist
01-05-2011, 07:55 PM
Does anyone know if the reward money to bring it up to $25K has been paid?

I ask because I'd read that the reward was increased from $10K, but LE (or maybe the city mgr) didn't have the $$ yet.

Just wondering because I've held off promoting the latest poster until I found out.

TIA!

Princess of Oz
01-05-2011, 07:55 PM
My husband and about 15 others (including 2 people from Big Spring) are out right now searching on foot around that Hotel, down the alleys, over to Hailey's house, her dad's house and over to MB's house.

I wish I could hit the thanks button over and over! May God guide them. :heartluv:

Amster
01-05-2011, 07:56 PM
Colorado City turns out to search for girl, 13
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/jan/05/colorado-city-turns-out-to-search-for-girl-13/

Still reporting that she's wearing tennis shoes.....

KathrynL
01-05-2011, 07:58 PM
I wonder if it is to break some new info to her that is not good.........like BF failed the poly??? found clues in shed??? ask her more questions about someone???

I was thinking along those lines. As posted above the command center (?) is located in the courthouse, and it could have been questions about a tip or a statement someone gave. It stood out to me because the way the paragraph was phrased, it sounded as though she expected to be home in the afternoon-but was still with LE instead. Perhaps some kind of development (which I hope is not the sad kind).

Truthwillsetufree
01-05-2011, 07:58 PM
Still reporting that she's wearing tennis shoes.....

Doesn't that just drive ya Karazzyy!

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 07:59 PM
Ipod touch is around 100.00, an ipad starts at 500.00, unless you get a good deal. I refused to buy my 20 year old an ipad because of the cost.

Sugie
01-05-2011, 07:59 PM
If anyone knows of any organized searches that are going to be done over the weekend (praying Hailey is safely home before then), please post. There are some of us that are close enough that we would like to come and help if we can.

Amster
01-05-2011, 08:00 PM
Searching in the dark?

Kimster
01-05-2011, 08:00 PM
:praying: Praying for the searchers and all the rest of the community who are standing behind Hailey in order to find her and bring her home! :praying:

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 08:02 PM
OMG she's not covering it tonight!! I thought she was!! Maybe she has Hailey's picture up there because she is covering it tomorrow?

mommaJack
01-05-2011, 08:03 PM
I wish I could hit the thanks button over and over! May God guide them. :heartluv:

They didn't find anything. But I feel like there are going to be new developments in the case soon. I just feel it.


Be still and know that I am God.

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 08:03 PM
Nancy's on, but talking about everything else, didn't they say Billie was invited back for Thursday?

shivs
01-05-2011, 08:03 PM
Dang...I had to be away today and have had Hailey on my heart. I hoped we would know a little more this evening.

I have been reading and catching up and I need some clarification, please.

Yesterday, it became known that boyfriend either was fired, or quit his job.

Some of the post I am reading this evening lean to him getting fired. Has that been verified?

If it hasn't isn't that rumor? I know it doesn't make a huge difference, but it does seem to skew my own perception of him, a bit.

Prayers for Hailey

Princess of Oz
01-05-2011, 08:03 PM
Doesn't look like Hailey is on NG tonight. It's about a Trooper getting killed and a 10 yr old shooting his mom.

peeples
01-05-2011, 08:05 PM
Billie's friend said She'd be on Thursday

WillenFan21
01-05-2011, 08:05 PM
Nancy's on, but talking about everything else, didn't they say Billie was invited back for Thursday?

OK that explains why Hailey's picture is on the website and facebook today! thank you for this info and I apologize to everyone on WS who saw my posts that she was going to be on! I've been babysitting since 3PM so I haven't been keeping up with the thread that much tonight!

Beyond Belief
01-05-2011, 08:08 PM
it sure makes you feel useless being so far away and not being able to help. 9 days, words can't express the sadness that is setting in.
God bless you little Hailey.

LadyLuck
01-05-2011, 08:11 PM
Mamajack, God Bless your husband and the others that are searching. My heart goes out to the entire community. It hurts so much to think that our young children can not walk in their own neighborhoods or play in their yards. There are just too many of these cases.

MsFacetious
01-05-2011, 08:11 PM
I do not think Shawn would have pretended to have a job like some guys do.

I think even if totally innocent, he probably didn't tell her Monday night because they had the house to themselves. Most men wouldn't want to use that time to break bad news.

Then I think with Hailey missing it seemed less important or he intentionally avoided telling her until it became necessary.

Seems to me though that the type of man that would do that would be in a breadwinner role for his family.

A single 25 year old guy dating a woman with a job living in her own house with teenage children doesn't strike me as the type of personality to worry about fooling his girlfriend about losing a job.

Oh I don't think Shawn would have done that. I was just addressing when Silky said "Not sure how they hide the finances..."

Just a general idea about that post, about the guys who DO pretend to have a job when they don't.

elepher50
01-05-2011, 08:12 PM
OMG she's not covering it tonight!! I thought she was!! Maybe she has Hailey's picture up there because she is covering it tomorrow?

I thought you said last night that they would be back on Thursday night - this is Wednesday - it has been a longgggg day.

belimom
01-05-2011, 08:17 PM
Nancy's on, but talking about everything else, didn't they say Billie was invited back for Thursday?

I wonder if new developments caused either the mom to back out or for LE to suggest she not do it. Of course, there's always the possibility that NG changed the line-up for the night as well. But today sure seems to have been a busy day for LE...

ETA: Nevermind - I just saw Elepher's post:

I thought you said last night that they would be back on Thursday night - this is Wednesday - it has been a longgggg day.

LotsaLatte
01-05-2011, 08:18 PM
I have a question and hopefully, I don't make a complete fool of myself here - LOL

I've been trying to read every post since the very first one regarding this sweet little girl. I read that the mom works long shifts and starts in the morning. So, when is the last verified time she saw/talked with Hailey before she disappeared and has it been verified by LE that someone saw her talking on the phone in the yard on Monday? I've seen it in print but cannot remember if it was verified. Please forgive me, I'm trying to figure out who is verified by LE as having seen and/or spoken with Hailey the day she disappeared. I hope that made sense?

Chili Fries
01-05-2011, 08:19 PM
I posted earlier about the address SA gave when he was arrested in Taylor County for public intoxication last August. The address I gave looked like a street address but it wasn't, it was just the road he lived on. Some county roads in the area have 4 digit numerical assignments so they look like specific addresses. But it is a very small road. Anyway, no reason to even post that because the "town", Dunn, where he lived in August is a tiny spot on the map north of Colorado City. IF, and that's a big if, LE think the bf may be responsible they might want to search the Dunn area because it's between CC and where I believe Billie works in Snyder, remember SA picked her up that evening.

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 08:19 PM
Does anyone know if the reward money to bring it up to $25K has been paid?

I ask because I'd read that the reward was increased from $10K, but LE (or maybe the city mgr) didn't have the $$ yet.

Just wondering because I've held off promoting the latest poster until I found out.

TIA!


I asked yesterday and didn't see an answer - but, I did notice this in the article published today, by the person who stated they didn't have the money yet...leading me to believe it wasn't "in hand".


Local citizens have donated $10,000 in reward money for Dunn’s safe return and a group of mothers have distributed flyers over a large area from Midland to San Angelo, and even as far east as Fort Worth.

“I appreciate the support, the leasds and the donated reward money of $10,000 that citizens have provided to assist in bringing Hailey home safe,” Bivins said. “If anyone has any information on Hailey’s whereabouts, they are to contact the Colorado City Police Department at 325-728-5294.”

http://ccitynews.net/news/story/2011/01/efforts-continue-find-hailey-dunn


my post from yesterday...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #3

mommaJack
01-05-2011, 08:21 PM
Mamajack, God Bless your husband and the others that are searching. My heart goes out to the entire community. It hurts so much to think that our young children can not walk in their own neighborhoods or play in their yards. There are just too many of these cases.

Thank you so much. It does hurt that our kids have to worry about things like that. I went out there a little bit and took my boys and they were looking with us. My babies shouldn't have to do that. One of my favorite songs is "There will be a day" By Jeremy Camp. The only thing that gives me hope is knowing there will be a day with no more pain and no more fear. God bless you ALL for all of your prayers.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 08:23 PM
Still reporting that she's wearing tennis shoes.....

Thank you Amster:

I am not the only one that found the shoe situation odd. I don't think it is odd to wear flip flops in the cold. My son wore shorts and flip flops even when it was snowing outside. What I found odd is the way she said it, and included that she wasn't wearing boots either. Earlier someone noted something about a hoodie as well. This is just stinking to high heaven and gets me to thinking of the H cummings case and the reported clothes being found at home.

redcat
01-05-2011, 08:24 PM
The City Manager here has said he used to with the FBI..wondering if he could call in some reinforcements?

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 08:24 PM
Dang...I had to be away today and have had Hailey on my heart. I hoped we would know a little more this evening.

I have been reading and catching up and I need some clarification, please.

Yesterday, it became known that boyfriend either was fired, or quit his job.

Some of the post I am reading this evening lean to him getting fired. Has that been verified?

If it hasn't isn't that rumor? I know it doesn't make a huge difference, but it does seem to skew my own perception of him, a bit.

Prayers for Hailey

BBM - No and I believe it's speculation.

hollye
01-05-2011, 08:25 PM
Had a chance to get on here tonight, so updated the map. Here it is...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

peeples
01-05-2011, 08:27 PM
it sure makes you feel useless being so far away and not being able to help. 9 days, words can't express the sadness that is setting in.
God bless you little Hailey.

Had a chance to get on here tonight, so updated the map. Here it is...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

Chili fries above gave the location of mom's boyfriends last address when he was arrested for Public intox
Is it possible to add it in.. :)

Dawnmarie
01-05-2011, 08:29 PM
Someone posted about the name Hailey being heard more and more in these missing kids cases. My daughter is a Haylee and this more than freaks us out, too!

everyoneneedsavoice
01-05-2011, 08:31 PM
The City Manager here has said he used to with the FBI..wondering if he could call in some reinforcements?

Isn't the FBI already involved? I don't know how that would go over asking FBI agents (former or current) to assist in an unofficial search that the FBI is "officially" working on...but, I could be wrong.


At least 20 law enforcement officers from jurisdictions outside Colorado City are investigating the disappearance of 13-year-old Hailey Dunn, including the FBI, Texas Rangers, the Texas Department of Public Safety and the 32nd District Attorney’s office, according to a Colorado City official.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/05/search-evidence-continues-missing-colorado-city-te/

hollye
01-05-2011, 08:33 PM
I posted earlier about the address SA gave when he was arrested in Taylor County for public intoxication last August. The address I gave looked like a street address but it wasn't, it was just the road he lived on. Some county roads in the area have 4 digit numerical assignments so they look like specific addresses. But it is a very small road. Anyway, no reason to even post that because the "town", Dunn (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=dunn+tx&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Dunn,+Snyder,+Scurry,+Texas&gl=us&ll=32.567069,-100.885391&spn=0.011971,0.022724&t=h&z=16), where he lived in August is a tiny spot on the map north of Colorado City. IF, and that's a big if, LE think the bf may be responsible they might want to search the Dunn area because it's between CC and where I believe Billie works in Snyder, remember SA picked her up that evening.

I have a feeling that he hasn't lived at that address for very long, if he even still has that address, as it is quite difficult to locate specifics on it. JMOO.

However, i believe that his parents have lived at their address for quite a qhile as it seems to be a very established address with a large house on a large parcel of property. Again, JMOO.

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 08:35 PM
Still reporting that she's wearing tennis shoes.....

Had a chance to get on here tonight, so updated the map. Here it is...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206712377457840198355.000498a54a49c9ef478db&ll=32.397393,-100.88861&spn=0.023952,0.038409&t=h&z=15

That map is perfect if that is where TDCJ searched. The hilighted area does not have any roads and that area is directly adjacent to the TDCJ property that could only be searched by foot or mount. I am thinking that TDCJ covered that area just to help rule it out.

hoppyfrog
01-05-2011, 08:36 PM
Someone posted about the name Hailey being heard more and more in these missing kids cases. My daughter is a Haylee and this more than freaks us out, too!

It's a very popular name right now.

redcat
01-05-2011, 08:37 PM
thanks everyoneneedsavoice...I overlooked that fact.

ajk
01-05-2011, 08:38 PM
I wonder what days is visitation at the prisons? I know a fair amount of people come to town to visit their loved ones that are in jail here. That number would likely increase with it being the holidays.
weekends.

cluciano63
01-05-2011, 08:39 PM
I have a question and hopefully, I don't make a complete fool of myself here - LOL

I've been trying to read every post since the very first one regarding this sweet little girl. I read that the mom works long shifts and starts in the morning. So, when is the last verified time she saw/talked with Hailey before she disappeared and has it been verified by LE that someone saw her talking on the phone in the yard on Monday? I've seen it in print but cannot remember if it was verified. Please forgive me, I'm trying to figure out who is verified by LE as having seen and/or spoken with Hailey the day she disappeared. I hope that made sense?

Hi I believe Mom said she saw Hailey the night before as she was still in bed when Mom went to work on Monday.
We don't have confirmation about the phone call in the yard...we wish...welcome-

hollye
01-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Chili fries above gave the location of mom's boyfriends last address when he was arrested for Public intox
Is it possible to add it in.. :)

Done, as well as the current search area. :)

elepher50
01-05-2011, 08:39 PM
The City Manager here has said he used to with the FBI..wondering if he could call in some reinforcements?

There are some of the City Manager's writings on the internet - looked at them just out of curiosity...writings from August and September 2010. ..very interesting character he is. Worked with the FBI - he should be able to pull some strings I'd say.

peeples
01-05-2011, 08:44 PM
what about all the empty space out by the airport????

StrayKat
01-05-2011, 08:46 PM
Hi ajk, I didn't understand your post, sorry.

As far as searches go... there should NEVER be any children involved at a search. I do understand adults searching roads, allies, etc... but, at night?

And someone mentioned earlier that she could be hurt out in the woods and may need help. Well it has been 9 days... I honestly don't think any searches are going to be looking for anyone hurt in the woods.

AppleGreen
01-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Prayers tonight for Hailey.

hollye
01-05-2011, 08:47 PM
That map is perfect if that is where TDCJ searched. The hilighted area does not have any roads and that area is directly adjacent to the TDCJ property that could only be searched by foot or mount. I am thinking that TDCJ covered that area just to help rule it out.

I belive that they are also looking at that area as it is heavily wooded and along a river. The primary road from SA's parents residence (I-20) crosses over the Colorado River near there and Business 20 runs along that area into Colorado City. There is an I-20 Frontag Road that runs along the northern border of the shaded area and there appear to be pull off points along that road, at least 2 right by where I-20 crosses the river. It is heavily wooded there.

JMOO

Starry Night
01-05-2011, 08:48 PM
Thank you so much. It does hurt that our kids have to worry about things like that. I went out there a little bit and took my boys and they were looking with us. My babies shouldn't have to do that. One of my favorite songs is "There will be a day" By Jeremy Camp. The only thing that gives me hope is knowing there will be a day with no more pain and no more fear. God bless you ALL for all of your prayers.
Wow. One of my all time favorite songs. I feel the slow creeping dread for this girl but I also hold out immense hope that she is being held. Please don't forget the miracle of Elizabeth Smart. Pray.