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Tuba
10-02-2009, 05:22 PM
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Robert's false friend(s) know how to dazzle and scintillate but it is all artifice. True friendship it is not. Uranus in the House of "Friends" afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way and is two faced because Uranus can slip off into lucky and safe refuge conjunct Jupiter while Neptune of disappearances moves into Pisces where it belongs. This is the great advantage of mutual reception. Uranus was square Venus and opposite Saturn, bent on bringing harm to this man.

When you see a planet at the end of the Sign, as Moon is here in Libra, the person represented is beside herself with anxiety. That was Fontelle's state when she turned in this missing person's report.

I cast this chart last night based on her time in Missouri as she phoned in and was very grateful to see it was indeed 3:00 a.m. CDST on her clock not on the station clock in Placentia. Otherwise the whole horoscope would have required redoing. It was, of course, 1:00 a.m. PDST in Placentia and midnight Standard Time, which is what is used in astrology.


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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CASE REQUESTS only - #1


NOTE: The TIME which was originally provided to us and used to cast this chart turned out to be incorrect. Please read further down where TUBA has made the necessary adjustments using the PROPER time. See Post #5)

dreamweaver
10-02-2009, 07:19 PM
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Robert's false friend(s) know how to dazzle and scintillate but it is all artifice. True friendship it is not. Uranus in the House of "Friends" afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way and is two faced because Uranus can slip off into lucky and safe refuge conjunct Jupiter while Neptune of disappearances moves into Pisces where it belongs. This is the great advantage of mutual reception. Uranus was square Venus and opposite Saturn, bent on bringing harm to this man.

When you see a planet at the end of the Sign, as Moon is here in Libra, the person represented is beside herself with anxiety. That was Fontelle's state when she turned in this missing person's report.

I cast this chart last night based on her time in Missouri as she phoned in and was very grateful to see it was indeed 3:00 a.m. CDST on her clock not on the station clock in Placentia. Otherwise the whole horoscope would have required redoing. It was, of course, 1:00 a.m. PDST in Placentia and midnight Standard Time, which is what is used in astrology.
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Tuba. Thank you so very much for doing this chart.
Questions:
What did the last time seen show about Robert Harrod?
If there are birthdates available for the main people around him, would that help narrow down who harmed him?
You wrote, 'afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way.'
Is that a polite way of saying he is no longer with us?

Again, thanks for your help and your dedication
to all those people who are missing.

dreamweaver
10-02-2009, 07:37 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/HarrodIsMissing118.jpg

Robert's false friend(s) know how to dazzle and scintillate but it is all artifice. True friendship it is not. Uranus in the House of "Friends" afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way and is two faced because Uranus can slip off into lucky and safe refuge conjunct Jupiter while Neptune of disappearances moves into Pisces where it belongs. This is the great advantage of mutual reception. Uranus was square Venus and opposite Saturn, bent on bringing harm to this man.

When you see a planet at the end of the Sign, as Moon is here in Libra, the person represented is beside herself with anxiety. That was Fontelle's state when she turned in this missing person's report.

I cast this chart last night based on her time in Missouri as she phoned in and was very grateful to see it was indeed 3:00 a.m. CDST on her clock not on the station clock in Placentia. Otherwise the whole horoscope would have required redoing. It was, of course, 1:00 a.m. PDST in Placentia and midnight Standard Time, which is what is used in astrology.
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Tuba.
Does the chart show you:
Where can Robert be found?
Will he be found?
Should we look at someone who already has received lots of money
from Robert Harrod?
Thank you.

Lynn Gweeny
10-02-2009, 08:50 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/HarrodIsMissing118.jpg

Robert's false friend(s) know how to dazzle and scintillate but it is all artifice. True friendship it is not. Uranus in the House of "Friends" afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way and is two faced because Uranus can slip off into lucky and safe refuge conjunct Jupiter while Neptune of disappearances moves into Pisces where it belongs. This is the great advantage of mutual reception. Uranus was square Venus and opposite Saturn, bent on bringing harm to this man.

When you see a planet at the end of the Sign, as Moon is here in Libra, the person represented is beside herself with anxiety. That was Fontelle's state when she turned in this missing person's report.

I cast this chart last night based on her time in Missouri as she phoned in and was very grateful to see it was indeed 3:00 a.m. CDST on her clock not on the station clock in Placentia. Otherwise the whole horoscope would have required redoing. It was, of course, 1:00 a.m. PDST in Placentia and midnight Standard Time, which is what is used in astrology.

Is Robert being kept alive until these "friends" can implement their nefarious deeds or has he already met with foul play?

What gender are these "friends" who seek to do harm and how many are there? Are they related to one another or to Robert's family?

How was Robert lured from his home and did he go willingly since there was no sign of a struggle?

What specifically is the adversity and/or trouble that Fontelle will be facing, and when?

Will whoever is responsible for Robert leaving his home be apprehended?

Thank you so much, Tuba for your chart and your expertise.

Tuba
10-03-2009, 02:53 PM
Astrology aside, in applying oneself to the work of understanding and detecting of a crime, the time when acts and events happen is crucial. Did the criminal seek the cover of darkness because he or she knew his actions would draw suspicion? Did he feel his victim would be less alert or less able to see and comprehend what was going on? Or was the criminal so crazed, possibly drug addled he was beyond caring that he operated in full daylight? Did he behave in such a routine manner in carrying out his acts that he knew he and his victim would not rouse curiosity?

If we retain awareness of when the crime occurred, it immensely helps us in analysing it. If you want to look at the astrology of a crime, however, the casting and interpreting of the horoscopes simply cannot yield information if the time is unknown or inaccurate. The horoscope is strictly a function of time. In the last boiling, even place or location is a function of Time.

Yesterday morning, I celebrated too soon, believing the time Fontelle Heeter Harrod placed her call to be 3:00 a.m. CDST on July 28, 2009. Of the hairball of times on the web and quoted here, the time report to police was made was the most reliable and the only time that had not suffered multiple contradictions. The chart for Robert Merle Harrod's disappearance and notice of that fact was cast.

Lynn uncovered the actual time of the police report, however, and Mrs. Harrod did not phone at 3:00 a.m., however much it may have felt like that to her. The call went onto the register at 00:22 hours or 22 minutes past midnight in Placentia, CA. That means it was 2:22 a.m. in Missouri and in standard time in California 11:22 p.m. of July 27, 2009. Therefore the 1st horoscope is incorrect and based on faulty information.

Mrs. Harrod is actually intercepted in House 6, revealing her interests in this matter are being roundly dissed, subordinated to the affairs of the Harrod family. The same Sign, Cancer, is on the cusp of House 3, the call and House 4: "Where am I going to live? I've packed all my worldly belongings!" Further, at the actual time of her call, House 4 was at a critical degree. Home & family in exigent circumstances.

Of course, the Ascendant was different but Mars in the actual chart is in House 2, an assault on Robert's money on hand. The phony individuals of House 11 now show as lying hypocrites into the bargain. Neptune & Jupiter ride the 11th H. cusp opposite Mercury. Uranus no longer rules House 10
of authorities but is still at odds with Mrs. Harrod The Moon and rules the House of in-laws and acquaintances. By in-laws, I include married partners of Harrod children.

This case may seem stale because months have gone by but as you can understand, it was not ripe for horoscopy. The dust had not settled, the rumor and reported "facts" had not solidified into any reliable shape whatever. We dare not, any of us (not just the astrologers) outstrip our data or we will pronounce outstandingly erroneous conclusions from non-facts.

Let's say it is down to the excitement of the Full Moon but vow to refrain from outcry for answers when we do not even have our ducks in a row.

dreamweaver
10-03-2009, 04:18 PM
Astrology aside, in applying oneself to the work of understanding and detecting of a crime, the time when acts and events happen is crucial. Did the criminal seek the cover of darkness because he or she knew his actions would draw suspicion? Did he feel his victim would be less alert or less able to see and comprehend what was going on? Or was the criminal so crazed, possibly drug addled he was beyond caring that he operated in full daylight? Did he behave in such a routine manner in carrying out his acts that he knew he and his victim would not rouse curiosity?

If we retain awareness of when the crime occurred, it immensely helps us in analysing it. If you want to look at the astrology of a crime, however, the casting and interpreting of the horoscopes simply cannot yield information if the time is unknown or inaccurate. The horoscope is strictly a function of time. In the last boiling, even place or location is a function of Time.

Yesterday morning, I celebrated too soon, believing the time Fontelle Heeter Harrod placed her call to be 3:00 a.m. CDST on July 28, 2009. Of the hairball of times on the web and quoted here, the time report to police was made was the most reliable and the only time that had not suffered multiple contradictions. The chart for Robert Merle Harrod's disappearance and notice of that fact was cast.

Lynn uncovered the actual time of the police report, however, and Mrs. Harrod did not phone at 3:00 a.m., however much it may have felt like that to her. The call went onto the register at 00:22 hours or 22 minutes past midnight in Placentia, CA. That means it was 2:22 a.m. in Missouri and in standard time in California 11:22 p.m. of July 27, 2009. Therefore the 1st horoscope is incorrect and based on faulty information.

Mrs. Harrod is actually intercepted in House 6, revealing her interests in this matter are being roundly dissed, subordinated to the affairs of the Harrod family. The same Sign, Cancer, is on the cusp of House 3, the call and House 4: "Where am I going to live? I've packed all my worldly belongings!" Further, at the actual time of her call, House 4 was at a critical degree. Home & family in exigent circumstances.

Of course, the Ascendant was different but Mars in the actual chart is in House 2, an assault on Robert's money on hand. The phony individuals of House 11 now show as lying hypocrites into the bargain. Neptune & Jupiter ride the 11th H. cusp opposite Mercury. Uranus no longer rules House 10
of authorities but is still at odds with Mrs. Harrod The Moon and rules the House of in-laws and acquaintances. By in-laws, I include married partners of Harrod children.

This case may seem stale because months have gone by but as you can understand, it was not ripe for horoscopy. The dust had not settled, the rumor and reported "facts" had not solidified into any reliable shape whatever. We dare not, any of us (not just the astrologers) outstrip our data or we will pronounce outstandingly erroneous conclusions from non-facts.

Let's say it is down to the excitement of the Full Moon but vow to refrain from outcry for answers when we do not even have our ducks in a row.
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Still have the questions posed by myself and Lynn Gweeny.
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And, we now have the times the Harrod daughters called the evening of July 27, 2009 to have police do a welfare check on their dad.
Police did go out to the house and no one was there.
Would that be helpful?
Thank you, Tuba.

dreamweaver
10-03-2009, 08:20 PM
If we retain awareness of when the crime occurred, it immensely helps us in analysing it. If you want to look at the astrology of a crime, however, the casting and interpreting of the horoscopes simply cannot yield information if the time is unknown or inaccurate. The horoscope is strictly a function of time. In the last boiling, even place or location is a function of Time.
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above snipped for quoting''

Let me make sure I understand, because I am not sure I do.
You are doing a chart on standard time?
So, pacific daylight time, :22, July 28, 2009 is
pacific standard time of 11:22, July 27, 2009.
And central daylight time, 2:22, July 28, 2009 is
central standard time, 1:22, July 28, 2009.
Is that correct?
Then are we still off about the time done on the chart? You had cdt , 2:22, July 28, 09.

And if I understand your answer to questions posed, since you do have the
narrow window of time that Robert Harrod disappeared, then
you have a good idea of who caused him harm and that would be House 11, his phony friends. the lying hippocrites, who harmed him for his money?
Yes? No?

Thank you, thank you.

FifthEssence
10-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Missouri is 2 hours ahead of California.

2:22 am Daylight Savings Time Missouri on 7/28 = 0022am/12:22am California Daylight Savings Time, which would then be converted to 11:22pm STANDARD time 7/27/09

The 'Saving' Time standard is something MAN concocted & not applicable in Astrology.

So you see, in Astrology, we first convert to Standard Time if we are in a Savings time of the year.

Post 190 defines the astral adjustments as some of the aspects noted in 186 still apply:
the descriptions of the "friends" and in-laws are valid, Fontelle's desperation is valid, the self-protection is valid.

Tuba
10-03-2009, 09:39 PM
Central Daylight Savings Time was 2:22 a.m. on the 28th of July. That yields 0:22 Pacific Daylight Savings Time, which is 11:22 p.m. on the 27th of July where the call was rec'd in Placentia and that is the time we wanted. You could correct the CDST to 1:22 a.m. before subtracting the two hour difference to reach California standard time but the result is the same, the time we want is 11:22 p.m. at Placentia. 2:22 by Fontelle's clock is when she called but her clock was reading daylight savings time. She did not read her clock, however. She just phoned and guessed at the time.

I made the corrections for my report to Websleuths and analysed the changes it made in the chart which will not be re-drawn for me or anyone else.

Tuba
10-04-2009, 11:20 AM
Actually, all of the statements made about the chart, fortunately, refer to elements that did not change except for "Mars in H. 1 always means trouble coming up." With the correctly timed horoscope, that would read "Mars in the first quadrant always means trouble coming up." Mars changed Houses which gave us new information, duly noted, but the fact that Mars was moving toward the Ascendant and would give trouble did not change. Any time you see Mars in the first three Houses of an event chart or a horary, it means trouble coming up. In the chart based on 3:00 a.m., Mars would cause trouble even sooner because he was closer to the horizon and the ascending degree.

What happened when the correct time was provided is that we gained more information. The correct time put the squeeze on Fontelle as she was now intercepted but that is exactly what really happened. The Signs on the Midheaven and the sector of the household where she was going became completely different. They were not a point of interest in the original wrongly timed chart but became important when the true and actual time was given me. Now the home on Carnation appeared in a state of crisis, 26:42 Cancer, a critical degree. We now had Cancer on both House 3 and 4, so they are read together showing Fontelle's concern and distress about her move as well as her personal feelings regarding her new husband.

Tuba
10-04-2009, 12:05 PM
The need for standard time at the location for an event or a horary or a birth chart is owing to the fact that the great observatory at Greenwich, England is the site where the celestial sphere is scoped and the recordation is made of positions of heavenly bodies. The clock at Greenwich is also our world standard and the longitude is zero because all measurements issue from this chosen site.

The rest of the world is divided into zones that show their distance from Greenwich and those zones are approximations of the local time where Human X or Building X or Conflagration X is. That's why parts of Indiana were Central Standard Time and parts were assigned to Eastern Standard Time. None accurately measured where the Sun was at high noon in Indiana in a particular town or country field. So the zones were agreed to by people doing their best to register the time. We're not Swiss but we did want our trains to run on time. People set their watches and their clocks, therefore, according to what zone they found themselves in and those approximate zones worked well for most purposes.

The observors at Greenwich and the astrologers have to maintain a different mind set: accuracy to the minute. The Moon was 12 Leo overhead at zero longitude Greenwich but we want to know how far the Moon had moved by the time it was overhead in Peoria. Therefore, not only do astrologers have to work from a standard , "standard time" in a zone but astrologers have to refine time further. We have to calculate how far our actual Human X is from the border of the time zone (which you will remember is an approximation, a broad brush if you like). How far are we from the border where the Sun is exactly on high at noon at a certain moment but not precisely the same moment where Human X stands? If we don't do that, the fast moving angles of the chart, the cusps of Houses and the planet positions will be incorrect.

We are willing to do all of that calculation and take all of that into consideration in order to achieve a close semblance, very close, of accuracy. So, when we see "11 o'clock or 11:30" the hairs rise on the back of our colossal collective neck.

In fact, you have been spared because other minuscule calculations are done and do enter into the final chart time as well as what is described here, all in the cause of precision.

As sleuths, we want to know, "What was X thinking when he closed the garage and started toward Y?" Yet what X was thinking one minute later or earlier would not at all be the same thought. Try it on your own mind. To derive any benefit from the astrology of crime and missing persons, precision is a must and all we ask is what does the clock say in your zone when this happens and we do all the rest.

dreamweaver
10-04-2009, 03:41 PM
Actually, all of the statements made about the chart, fortunately, refer to elements that did not change except for "Mars in H. 1 always means trouble coming up." With the correctly timed horoscope, that would read "Mars in the first quadrant always means trouble coming up." Mars changed Houses which gave us new information, duly noted, but the fact that Mars was moving toward the Ascendant and would give trouble did not change. Any time you see Mars in the first three Houses of an event chart or a horary, it means trouble coming up. In the chart based on 3:00 a.m., Mars would cause trouble even sooner because he was closer to the horizon and the ascending degree.

What happened when the correct time was provided is that we gained more information. The correct time put the squeeze on Fontelle as she was now intercepted but that is exactly what really happened. The Signs on the Midheaven and the sector of the household where she was going became completely different. They were not a point of interest in the original wrongly timed chart but became important when the true and actual time was given me. Now the home on Carnation appeared in a state of crisis, 26:42 Cancer, a critical degree. We now had Cancer on both House 3 and 4, so they are read together showing Fontelle's concern and distress about her move as well as her personal feelings regarding her new husband.
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I appreciate this clarification very much. Thank you.

surelock
10-06-2009, 01:05 AM
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Robert's false friend(s) know how to dazzle and scintillate but it is all artifice. True friendship it is not. Uranus in the House of "Friends" afflicts him powerfully in a most unfriendly way and is two faced because Uranus can slip off into lucky and safe refuge conjunct Jupiter while Neptune of disappearances moves into Pisces where it belongs. This is the great advantage of mutual reception. Uranus was square Venus and opposite Saturn, bent on bringing harm to this man.

When you see a planet at the end of the Sign, as Moon is here in Libra, the person represented is beside herself with anxiety. That was Fontelle's state when she turned in this missing person's report.

I cast this chart last night based on her time in Missouri as she phoned in and was very grateful to see it was indeed 3:00 a.m. CDST on her clock not on the station clock in Placentia. Otherwise the whole horoscope would have required redoing. It was, of course, 1:00 a.m. PDST in Placentia and midnight Standard Time, which is what is used in astrology.



********************ADDITIONAL information can be found in Post #196*********************


There are 3 groups of people in Bob's life who all have various degrees of interest as to whether he is better off missing versus having a body found.

He acquired an amount of wealth that is subject to debate, however it was substantial enough that he and his wife thought to preserve it in a trust before her death. It is apparently protected from future spouses and "barber friends".

After the death of his wife his "barber lady" starts hitting him up for big bucks over an 18 month period. The daughters get irate and call social services who could not go after "barber lady" because the dad would not speak out against her.

Then comes a woman out of his past, they were engaged 59 years ago, when, she was 14 and, he was old enough to know better. They reconnect, get married and then he walks off into the sunset, on his bad knees, abandoning her for a 2nd time..

All I am Asking is to look at all three groups and what each stands to lose or gain (his daughters, his new wife, and the barber lady) before forming an opinion.

Lynn Gweeny
10-08-2009, 09:15 PM
Vanished: Millionaire newlywed, 81, still missing
2 months after mysterious disappearance, authorities have no trace
OrangeCountyRegister.com
By Adam Townsend
Thursday, October 8, 2009

From the article .... Police say Bob Harrod's son-in-law Jeff Michaels was doing work at the house July 27 in preparation for Fontelle Harrod's arrival.

Michaels told police he left the house for Home Depot to buy supplies around 2:30 p.m., and time stamped-receipts bear him out, Loomis said.

About 2:30 p.m. was the last time anyone says they saw Bob Harrod.

http://www.ocregister.com:80/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels

FifthEssence
10-09-2009, 01:50 AM
Vanished: Millionaire newlywed, 81, still missing
2 months after mysterious disappearance, authorities have no trace
OrangeCountyRegister.com
By Adam Townsend
Thursday, October 8, 2009

From the article .... Police say Bob Harrod's son-in-law Jeff Michaels was doing work at the house July 27 in preparation for Fontelle Harrod's arrival.

Michaels told police he left the house for Home Depot to buy supplies around 2:30 p.m., and time stamped-receipts bear him out, Loomis said.

About 2:30 p.m. was the last time anyone says they saw Bob Harrod.

http://www.ocregister.com:80/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels



AGAIN, we cannot stress how important the CORRECT TIME of record is required in order to extract noteworthy forensic details.

Tuba used the time Robt's wife made the call from Missouri according to what LE said the clock registered when the call came in - 0022AM/Calif Pacific Savings Time on the 28th.
That's the ONLY real confirmed time we have to work with.

This link is to the Law Enforcement Missing Person poster and it quotes a whole other last time seen, 11:00AM 7/27/09. See what I mean?
http://www.placentiapd.org/pd/PDF/misc/09-3263%20920A%20HARROD-1.pdf

We've read the daughter heard his voice in the background around 11:30am in a tele conversaton she had, it was reported the son-in-law say he left around 11:00am and went to the CVS returning to Harrod's house around 12:30pm to find the housecleaner sitting outside waiting for him because she thought he was asleep.
And then we hear there is a receipt from Home Depot marked 3:something PM and the LE person is quoted in the news doing a backup calculation of time figuring in the time to drive back & forth with consideration that the son-in-law said he was in the store about and hour and the LE person say, 'so about 1:30pm would be right around time the son-in-law left for Home Depot.

There are conflicting inaccurate times quoted from a variety of news sources, so we will rely more on the 0022am (=11:22pm Placentia) 7/28/09 call time Chart.

quoting TUBA from a couple posts above:
If we retain awareness of when the crime occurred, it immensely helps us in analysing it. If you want to look at the astrology of a crime, however, the casting and interpreting of the horoscopes simply cannot yield information if the time is unknown or inaccurate. The horoscope is strictly a function of time. In the last boiling, even place or location is a function of Time.

PRAYERS go out for Robert Harrod.

Tuba
12-22-2009, 12:25 PM
Mars from Mr. Harrod's disappearance is accented two ways by the coming Full Moon. The eclipse and Full Moon during the last day of the year forms 30 from the Mars that was rising in his event chart. That means activity connected with either his assets or his belongings can produce clues; it is the nature of the aspect plus the Full Moon eclipse falls in that sector of his chart.

Additionally, during this eclipse, Mars in the heavens will be on the Mercury of his disappearance, ]in the home and final outcome House of that chart. Mercury is evidence. It is all papers, keys, instruments. It is in the Sign Leo which represents children, love affairs and stock market moves or gambles.

We have to hope that the investigation is still active and that concerned individuals are also looking.

FifthEssence
09-24-2010, 02:07 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/ROBTHARROD-lasttelecallNONfamily.jpg


We had read in Robt.Harrod's Missing Persons thread that he had received a phone call @10AM, so this chart was cast. According to the sleuths, the person on the tele has not been disclosed.


Tuba had noted, Mercury contraparallel Pluto 'took Bob for a ride.' Scorpio(H3cusp) and Lord Pluto in the chart indicate trips you don't come home from.
Bob did NOT wander off or have cold feet regarding his new wife's planned arrival that week.

This chart clearly shows FAMILIARITY with his abductor(s) that fateful morning. For the time being, we'll leave it at that since no one has been termed a person of interest. We can safely rule out his bride, Fontelle who called the police from her Missouri locale and reported him missing in the middle of the night after speaking w/Bob's family. There are no aspects connecting her in any way with his disappearance.




*Contraparallel :
An aspect formed when two planets are in opposite declination, that is, when they are the same distance from the celestial equator, one north of it and one south. Generally considered to operate like an opposition.

Cubby
09-24-2010, 03:07 AM
Thank you FifthEssence! This is on track with what LE has stated ruling out stranger abduction. I'm going to have to brush up on studying and learning more about reading these charts! Thanks again!

believe09
09-29-2010, 02:28 PM
There are 3 groups of people in Bob's life who all have various degrees of interest as to whether he is better off missing versus having a body found.

He acquired an amount of wealth that is subject to debate, however it was substantial enough that he and his wife thought to preserve it in a trust before her death. It is apparently protected from future spouses and "barber friends".

After the death of his wife his "barber lady" starts hitting him up for big bucks over an 18 month period. The daughters get irate and call social services who could not go after "barber lady" because the dad would not speak out against her.

Then comes a woman out of his past, they were engaged 59 years ago, when, she was 14 and, he was old enough to know better. They reconnect, get married and then he walks off into the sunset, on his bad knees, abandoning her for a 2nd time..

All I am Asking is to look at all three groups and what each stands to lose or gain (his daughters, his new wife, and the barber lady) before forming an opinion.

I rarely if ever post in this forum out of respect for those who are charting here. Much of what I bolded is no longer accurate-barber lady is cleared, there has been no proof to date of her hitting Bob up for big money, Fontelle was 16 at the time of the engagement and I have never seen the trust document replicated anywhere indicating that the bypass trust was protected against future spouses. In any case, Bob was free to spend his money as he pleased up to and including money held in the bypass trust. He was of completely sound mind says his long time physician which is why the elder services case was closed out.

believe09
09-29-2010, 02:30 PM
Robert Harrod Case

Thank you FithEssence-what if the call came in at 9AM rather than 10AM?

Tuba
09-30-2010, 11:03 AM
Fifth Essence did a chart for that hour. By moving the call back one hour, Mars is at the midheaven and Saturn is rising in House 1 (rather than just over the Ascendant into House 12. This means malice directed at Mr. Harrod was active even at 9:00 a.m. Those are two malefics, each on a truly important terminal of the chart.

Leomoon80
09-30-2010, 12:05 PM
Fifth Essence did a chart for that hour. By moving the call back one hour, Mars is at the midheaven and Saturn is rising in House 1 (rather than just over the Ascendant into House 12. This means malice directed at Mr. Harrod was active even at 9:00 a.m. Those are two malefics, each on a truly important terminal of the chart.

Wow, this case is one for Detective Colombo! (Peter Falk)

There certainly are a lot of people who may have benefited from the disappearance of Mr. Harrod as he had a larger estate and assets then many might have who knew him or benefited from him.


This is a tough one and may never be solved.

I read that in February 2010 , there were lie detector tests given out to all who were in close proximity to him.

Haven't heard the end result of all of those tests however. :waitasec:

believe09
09-30-2010, 12:11 PM
Wow, this case is one for Detective Colombo! (Peter Falk)

There certainly are a lot of people who may have benefited from the disappearance of Mr. Harrod as he had a larger estate and assets then many might have who knew him or benefited from him.


This is a tough one and may never be solved.

I read that in February 2010 , there were lie detector tests given out to all who were in close proximity to him.

Haven't heard the end result of all of those tests however. :waitasec:

TY for your kind responses, this case is quite close to the hearts of many fwiw. I do not believe the results of the polys were released publicly. I think we just might be able to safely speculate that the barber, her husband, Fontelle and the house keeper/cleaner were ruled out partially due to polygraph and partially due to records depicting their whereabouts. Fontelle's family as well. LE has stated this was not a case of stranger interference.

Cubby
01-16-2011, 04:42 PM
Thank you so much for opening this dedicated thread for Bob Harrod's case.

Is it possible to run a chart on SIL, the last person to see Bob alive? JBean has given us permission to discuss him in laymans terms as the POI/Suspect based on multiple MSM articles dating back to shortly after Bob went missing indicating the case is being investigated as a homicide as well as civil court doc's regarding the 'attack' on Bobs estate posted by adnoid.

JBeans post:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5


Most recent court docs (lengthy) posted by adnoid:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5



I have a DOB for SIL if we can possibly run a chart on him. SIL DOB is 6-4-1951

ETA: I believe SIL was born in Ohio - we know he grew up in OH and spent some of his HS yrs in CA. No birth time for him.

tia

FifthEssence
01-16-2011, 07:59 PM
Veddy veddy interesting.....

A quick look in comparing (setting a person's chart on the 10AM Telephone Call Event chart) raises ones brow.

SIL's Saturn is right on the 10am event Saturn in H12 (hidden enemies). Same with his Mars, almost exact by one degree on the Mars in this event chart found at the midheaven. His south node opposes the 12H Saturn of the chart. His Neptune(deceit/lies/illusion) falls is H1 of this chart and squares the Pluto/Capricorn in H4 (endings/also the home).
His Mercury/Lord 1 of Event chart is right on the 9thH cusp in the same sign as H8(death also other people’s money and resources) and because it's also moving on to H9, indicates a 'secret' traveling mission is about to occur.

Poor Bob. This case is heartbreaking. How's this: I support Fontella 101%.

IF any one of the other related persons do not know the details of that morning, IMO, it is because it helps remove a sense of guilt. Better to close your eyes, don't ask too may questions for fear the Money Tree may become an endangered species.

Tuba
01-19-2011, 09:25 PM
SIL has some interesting progressions that do not succeed in incriminating him but do indicate his presence or involvement in a tragedy involving an octogenarian and an estate. SIL's lunar node is by progression at the same degree as his Uranus and his progressed Jupiter is at the same degree as his natal lunar node. Uranus=Mr. Harrod as an octogenarian; Jupiter=the estate. When the Moon's nodes are at the same degree that reliably spells tragedy, even fatality, yes.

His progressed Moon and Mars in Cancer are together, conjunct when Mr. Harrod goes missing. SIL's rage, shown in the emotions of this conjunction, are actually directed at a woman, not at Mr. Harrod. That woman could well be Fontelle. The rage conjunction is also square SIL's Neptune. That means nothing about his objections was straightforward. There is obfuscation, deception, concealment of actual feelings about family matters and acts pertaining to them. The family feels betrayed by the reunion with Fontelle and that is clear from the involved Signs which are Cancer of family for the Moon-Mars and Libra of marriage for the squaring Neptune. Obviously this group of people who call themselves family needs a lesson in boundaries.

Tuba
01-20-2011, 12:38 PM
SIL is unusual in that his Moon was outside the boundaries of expectation at birth and he has lived with this ever since, marked O.O.B. on charts due to its high declination. He has a need to punch through the envelope, defy convention and violate norms. This same birth Moon, along with Mars, contains the Sun between them. He is unusually hip to the happenings, very keen and possessed of mental and physical dexterity. But he acts out aggressively upon impulses he does not understand; he is coming from Anger. The Moon is wide in latitude, 459' north, so he allows himself plenty of room to swing~roundhouse swings. Mercury in Taurus disposits all of this Gemini and trines Saturn. When he cools out, he tries to clean up the problems his temper creates. SIL also has a perfect square between Jupiter in Aries & Uranus in Cancer which does not contribute to stability. He has a restless desire for change and challenges all efforts to mould his thinking and his action into conformation. In fact, he despises conformity and is impatient with the ideas of others, an impatience that does not relate well to the elderly. SIL thinks his immediate grasp of situations is superior, although he oversimplifies, generalizes and leaps to conclusions. His outlook being flawed in this way, anyone assessing what he does and says should be able to see SIL's mistakes.

Leomoon80
01-20-2011, 02:42 PM
From post #15: Fifth Essence(snipped)


This link is to the Law Enforcement Missing Person poster and it quotes a whole other last time seen, 11:00AM 7/27/09. See what I mean?
http://www.placentiapd.org/pd/PDF/mi...20HARROD-1.pdf

We've read the daughter heard his voice in the background around 11:30am in a tele conversaton she had, it was reported the son-in-law say he left around 11:00am and went to the CVS returning to Harrod's house around 12:30pm to find the housecleaner sitting outside waiting for him because she thought he was asleep.
And then we hear there is a receipt from Home Depot marked 3:something PM and the LE person is quoted in the news doing a backup calculation of time figuring in the time to drive back & forth with consideration that the son-in-law said he was in the store about and hour and the LE person say, 'so about 1:30pm would be right around time the son-in-law left for Home Depot.

PDF link does not open for me.

Is there another link for it?

dreamweaver
01-20-2011, 03:55 PM
From post #15: Fifth Essence(snipped)



PDF link does not open for me.

Is there another link for it?



http://www.placentia.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=102

I just looked it up and this is the link.

Cubby
01-20-2011, 05:28 PM
Is there a way to determine if Bobs remains will be found from any of the charts, and a way to determine if the person or persons responsible for Bobs (almost certain murder) will be charged and convicted?

tia

Cubby
01-21-2011, 02:35 PM
One of Bobs daughters has been very active online regarding her fathers disappearance. Many of her comments have led some of us to question her possible involvement or possible knowledge regarding Bobs disappearance. Those comments include disparaging her missing father, what seemingly appears an attempt to steer the investigation into directions already ruled out and includes much discussion about her fathers money along with her attempts to 'control' it. Can we do a chart on daughter R, Bobs middle daughter to see if we can gain any insight regarding her possible knowledge or involvement in Bobs disappearance? She is also named in the court docs linked by adnoid.

thank you.

Daughter R's DOB is 10-25-54

Tuba
01-21-2011, 02:50 PM
This is prime time for focus on the fate or Robert Harrod because the Sun or EVENT in the Outcome House based on his wife's phone call to police is presently being transiting by opposition Sun and Mars. As you may remember, oppositions give awareness.

Venus ruling the Ascendant of Fontelle's call was trine Neptune and Jupiter that night and square mutual reception Uranus, all of latter in our House of circumstances and in Aquarius. Some seemingly small accident of circumstance will therefore further this investigation.

The second week of February, both Sun and Mars will oppose Mercury of the Harrod children (also on January 26, a Venus trine to that Mercury brings tell tale writings to light). The phone call chart reveals appropriation, i.e., theft of his rightful assets, as the sole motivation for his "disappearance". Mercury in Leo of younger family members opposite Part of Fortune tells the story. Part of Fortune is quincunx Saturn (of Bob): he OWES us.

Tuba
01-21-2011, 02:51 PM
Our posts crossed in time.

Tuba
01-21-2011, 03:00 PM
What I can tell you is that this woman is as serious as an open grave. She has Sun in Scorpio square ruler Mars. Retrograde Mercury and Saturn conjunct in Scorpio and three outer planets afflicting Fontelle.

Her Mars natal is on the same spot as the Mars in Aquarius I wrote about in my last post, so she has a lens focused on her right now. She may also commit some blunders. Not all perfect crimes are truly without flaws.

Leomoon80
01-21-2011, 03:58 PM
RE:
This is prime time for focus on the fate or Robert Harrod because the Sun or EVENT in the Outcome House based on his wife's phone call to police is presently being transiting by opposition Sun and Mars.



Just wanted to clarify I'm looking at the correct chart as I see the Sun right on the cusp of the I/C, not actually in the 4th, but in the
3rd and on the cusp of the 4th . Within 25 minutes (looking at the Phone Call chart)

Interesting that it is supposedly RS as they say, "ranting on " about her father's money. But then again, this kind of behavior we can imagine with the chart and isn't indicative of anything much other then her personality in vengeful Scorpio.

Cubby
01-21-2011, 04:37 PM
Daughters initials are RB not RS, to clarify.

Tuba
01-21-2011, 04:39 PM
No, that chart is incorrect. It was based on times supplied here which were wrong.

Cubby
01-21-2011, 04:52 PM
This is prime time for focus on the fate or Robert Harrod because the Sun or EVENT in the Outcome House based on his wife's phone call to police is presently being transiting by opposition Sun and Mars. As you may remember, oppositions give awareness.

Venus ruling the Ascendant of Fontelle's call was trine Neptune and Jupiter that night and square mutual reception Uranus, all of latter in our House of circumstances and in Aquarius. Some seemingly small accident of circumstance will therefore further this investigation.

The second week of February, both Sun and Mars will oppose Mercury of the Harrod children (also on January 26, a Venus trine to that Mercury brings tell tale writings to light). The phone call chart reveals appropriation, i.e., theft of his rightful assets, as the sole motivation for his "disappearance". Mercury in Leo of younger family members opposite Part of Fortune tells the story. Part of Fortune is quincunx Saturn (of Bob): he OWES us.


Oppositions among or rather between the 5 or 6 bio family members who have not been ruled out by chance? By 6 I mean Bobs three daughters, Bobs SIL the last person to see Bob alive and Bobs grandson and wife who live 'around the corner' from Bob.

We do know two of Bobs daughters are in a position as trustee's of Bobs estate to possibly have a situation on their hands in which they will need to forclose on Bobs grandsons home as he has not made any payments since Bob went missing. Bob held the note/mortage on Grandsons home. I wonder if this is the opposition you may be refering to or perhaps it is another event.

We also know from Bobs thread, his daughters were able to succesfully clear out Bobs house of all of Bobs posessions leaving only a mattress and chair lift if they obtained the items on the memorablia list they had submitted to the court.

Not sure if the above helps but wanted to offer some additional info/insight as well as questions. I'd have to dig through Bobs thread for the court dates and a little more info on the pending forclosure of Bobs grandsons home.

Tuba
01-21-2011, 05:40 PM
Both natural children, Mercury in Leo, south node of the Moon in family Cancer, in House 4 plus in-laws, ruled by Uranus and Saturn, are implicated. There are not, however, the typical indicators of conspiracy or plotting. It may be that one took action and the others made capital out of the situation.

Cubby
01-21-2011, 06:12 PM
By that you mean the two daughters who are currently trustees were not involved with with conspiracy or plotting? Not directly but possibly afterward or?

I wonder then if SIL's wife and/or son may have been. Daughter JM's DOB is 3-15-57. Still looking for grandsons DOB. grandsons dob is 10-12-78.

ETA: Daughter JM posted on another forum she was inside Bobs home on Tuesday the 28th the day prior to Fontelle returning and the day after Bob went missing. We found it unusual SIL wouldn't be concerned for his wifes safety if a stranger had abducted Bob ( which has since been ruled out but was not on the 28th) and wondered if perhaps the reason for his lack of concern was because either he knew who was responsible so no need to worry, or perhaps grandson was there with his mom that day.......

Tuba
01-21-2011, 06:34 PM
There were no signs of any plot or conspiracy leading to Bob's disappearance by anyone. That includes all parties, including SIL's wife.

Cubby
01-21-2011, 06:38 PM
There were no signs of any plot or conspiracy leading to Bob's disappearance by anyone. That includes all parties, including SIL's wife.


I'm confused then with how these tie into Fifth Essences post #25 in this thread. Maybe I am missing something but I am now totally lost... based on post number 25 and the above.


ETA: or by everyone do you mean everyone but SIL? With respect to Fifth's post #25 on the previous page.

dreamweaver
01-21-2011, 10:24 PM
There were no signs of any plot or conspiracy leading to Bob's disappearance by anyone. That includes all parties, including SIL's wife.


No plot or conspiracy by anyone?
So, if I reading briefings correctly, then the SIL could be the one that caused Robert H's disappearance, but it was not a planned event.

Is that correct?

Tuba
01-21-2011, 10:41 PM
No, I am talking about everybody in range. No conspiracy, no plot. But now, the gang's all here. The planets simply do not support a group plot to do away with Mr. Harrod. Did I not say this afternoon, "it may be that one took action and the others made capital out of the situation?"

You may have a scenario in mind, and I may share your suspicions but it would be false and inauthentic astrology to say the planets line up behind that. Of course, there is so much back and forth about the times on the day Bob disappeared, we may learn something about that day that provokes a new chart. From what we have, no conspiracy.

dreamweaver
01-21-2011, 10:43 PM
No, I am talking about everybody in range. No conspiracy, no plot. But now, the gang's all here. The planets simply do not support a group plot to do away with Mr. Harrod. Did I not say this afternoon, "it may be that one took action and the others made capital out of the situation?"

You may have a scenario in mind, and I may share your suspicions but it would be false and inauthentic astrology to say the planets line up behind that. Of course, there is so much back and forth about the times on the day Bob disappeared, we may learn something about that day that provokes a new chart. From what we have, no conspiracy.

Thanks Tuba. I appreciate the time you and everyone have put into the charts for Robert Harrod.
I think he does too.

Cubby
01-22-2011, 01:41 PM
No, I am talking about everybody in range. No conspiracy, no plot. But now, the gang's all here. The planets simply do not support a group plot to do away with Mr. Harrod. Did I not say this afternoon, "it may be that one took action and the others made capital out of the situation?"

You may have a scenario in mind, and I may share your suspicions but it would be false and inauthentic astrology to say the planets line up behind that. Of course, there is so much back and forth about the times on the day Bob disappeared, we may learn something about that day that provokes a new chart. From what we have, no conspiracy.


Thank you for the clarification Tuba - makes much more sense to me know. :blowkiss:

You are correct, the time lines are all over the place. I can't help but wonder if suspicions arose later on regarding SIL's possible involvement and there was a group effort to distract from looking/pursuing that direction. However as that would have occured much later I don't know how we would find a time to explore a chart with that possibility. I wonder if you have any idea's on how we might approach that aspect with a later date and time.

thank you again!

Tuba
01-22-2011, 02:07 PM
You might look for a member of this "family" to see if anyone was born circa March 30, placing that person's Sun on SIL's Jupiter. Said individual might also have a Jupiter that favored SIL's other planets. If there is such a family member, that Aries might also take a leadership role in the group and aim to protect its interests. This Aries is likely to come to the aid and defense of SIL but does such a family member exist? I do not know.

Cubby
03-24-2011, 12:38 PM
You might look for a member of this "family" to see if anyone was born circa March 30, placing that person's Sun on SIL's Jupiter. Said individual might also have a Jupiter that favored SIL's other planets. If there is such a family member, that Aries might also take a leadership role in the group and aim to protect its interests. This Aries is likely to come to the aid and defense of SIL but does such a family member exist? I do not know.



There is a 'family' member with a DOB circa March 30 who at one time was legally related to Bob but is not currently legally related to Bob. This person has never been named in MSM so I am hesitant to give many details. However I don't know that this person would take a leadership role in the group. Or a leadership role at all other than possibly being viewed as a leader by one of the immediate family members.

Are you able to share any additional details with regards to this circa March 30 DOB?


tia

Cubby
04-06-2011, 12:06 AM
bumping. Hoping the astro's can answer the above post. TIA!