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norest4thewicked
01-30-2011, 03:22 PM
http://pleasantville.patch.com/articles/serial-killer-will-face-trial-in-new-york-2

WildHuncher
01-30-2011, 04:58 PM
I know they're talking about justice for the victims and closure for the families, but I can't believe they're doing this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States


New York's death penalty statute was declared unconstitutional in 2004. A whole new law would have to pass to fix that. Apparently, death penalty bills have to catch that state in just the right mood to have any chance. They haven't been able to repair the situation in seven years.

California can only kill him once. New York can't kill him at all if it tries him now. What will this cost the taxpayers?

This isn't a political forum so I don't want to go far here. Maybe the Alcala trials and questions about the wisdom of them will get some momentum going for death penalty laws nationally. I was surprised at the size of the "never passed a death penalty in the first place" list. Knew my own state was on it, but I thought one or two of the others had more sense.

(Note: Sorry the Wikipedia link looks so messed up. It's something the forum software is doing. Various parts of it still work for going to the page.)

Redbird
01-30-2011, 05:32 PM
It had never occurred to me until now what it would mean if they tried RA for these other murders. It means he will probably die of old age. As his own attorney he will get special privileges, plane rides to New York, access to telephone and computer. And lots of attention! He must be so pleased. This absolutely enrages me when I think about it. I was looking at one of those last pictures of him in a courtroom and he reminds me very much Anthony Perkins in Psycho. So creepy and ugly.

reasypeasy
01-30-2011, 06:49 PM
Maybe they think this will destabilize him enough to get some other sort of info out of him?

plait
01-30-2011, 07:49 PM
Maybe somewhere in that body made entirely of tin he will find a tiny heart that make him reveal info about the pics.

norest4thewicked
01-30-2011, 10:22 PM
I agree...it's just ridiculous! It seems as if a LOT has gone awry in these cases and we will probably see more. He could live another 20 years and I have absolutely no doubt that he will never be put to death. In fact, once he's done in NY, by then they will probably try him in New Hampshire or Washington after they identify more of the victims. He will spend his final years being a celebrity. Its what he craves...he's not a human being!

plait
02-08-2011, 09:22 PM
I've heard of the odd one or two cases where garbage like Alcala get their death sentences commuted to life, or they get released on some fluke, or technicality years later in their state. Could it be that they want to make sure he stays locked up forever one way or the other in whatever state if he never gets executed.

punklove
02-15-2011, 10:32 PM
This really makes me nuts - so who is this actually supposed to help? Certainly not the victims or the victims families..

But Im sure Alcala will enjoy getting to go to somewhere new for the first time in 30 years, nothing like a bit of a road trip across country to 'punish' someone whos been stuck in the same place forever.

norest4thewicked
09-27-2011, 11:06 PM
Bumping up for possible new interest.

mysteriew
12-06-2011, 10:10 PM
This really makes me nuts - so who is this actually supposed to help? Certainly not the victims or the victims families..

But Im sure Alcala will enjoy getting to go to somewhere new for the first time in 30 years, nothing like a bit of a road trip across country to 'punish' someone whos been stuck in the same place forever.

There are remains attributed to him that have never been identified, and probably remains that have never been found. If a new trial allows for any possibility that questions could be answered, then yes I am happy to see a new trial.


Then Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. announced in January that Alcala had been indicted in the separate murders of two 23-year-old women here — the 1971 strangling of flight attendant Cornelia Crilley and the death of Ellen Hover, a onetime Hollywood nightclub owner’s daughter whose remains were found in 1978 after she disappeared the year before. Alcala had been eyed as a suspect in Hover’s death since at least 1979; prosecutors said new technology and information that emerged in the California trial helped them put together a case.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/calif-ag-urges-court-to-send-convicted-70s-serial-killer-to-nyc-to-face-new-murder-charges/2011/11/30/gIQANy7mDO_story.html

From the sounds of things info from the previous trial helped to lead to this one. Who knows where info from this trial might lead.

Besides that Alcala seems to be using the loopholes in the law to keep his case up in the air. If nothing else a new case in New York should at least keep him busy, maybe even cause a little confusion in his defense. Could help to ease things in the appeals process if he is busy elsewhere.

WildHuncher
11-03-2012, 11:09 AM
The last published trial date I can find for Alcala is October 30. That obviously didn't happen due to Hurricane Sandy if nothing else, but I haven't found a new date.

In a bad movie, the prisoner escapes during the big storm. If he's really guilty, he resumes his crime spree and the movie is about that. If he's innocent, he spends the rest of the movie looking for the real killer. It appears nobody escaped during Sandy, so something should be announced sooner or later.

JBean
12-14-2012, 06:15 PM
http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcala-380710-county-orange.html
Alcala admits killing 2 women in N.Y.
Convicted serial killer is on death row for five California slayings in the 1970s under a sentence imposed by an Orange County judge.
Convicted serial killer Rodney Alcala, who was sentenced to death by an Orange County judge in 2010 for five sex slayings in the 1970s, confessed Friday to killing two other women in New York.
Alcala, 69, pleaded guilty in a Manhattan courtroom to two counts of intentional murder for the 1971 rape and bludgeoning of airline stewardess Cornelia Crilley, 23, and the 1977 kidnapping and slaying of Ellen Hover, 23, whose body was found a year later in nearby Westchester County.

norest4thewicked
12-14-2012, 07:10 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/serial-killer-rodney-alacala-pleads-guilty-to-ny-murders-.html

Alcala pled guilty today of killing both Cornelia Crilley and Ellen Hover.

Pink Panther
12-16-2012, 10:24 PM
Cornelia and Ellen, here:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20120622145736kays.nb/topstory.html

http://thesop.org/story/20120622/how-did-ny-detectives-link-rodney-alcala-to-cornelia-crilley-and-ellen-hover.html

Oh. And I agree. I CANNOT stand the sight of him when he appears in court photographs. He's VILE.

Photographs and biographical information for these two women are so scarce. Unfortunately, when you try to find information about them all you find is his UGLY face. It would be so nice to know more about them!

norest4thewicked
12-16-2012, 10:40 PM
Cornelia and Ellen, here:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20120622145736kays.nb/topstory.html

http://thesop.org/story/20120622/how-did-ny-detectives-link-rodney-alcala-to-cornelia-crilley-and-ellen-hover.html

Oh. And I agree. I CANNOT stand the sight of him when he appears in court photographs. He's VILE.

Photographs and biographical information for these two women are so scarce. Unfortunately, when you try to find information about them all you find is his UGLY face. It would be so nice to know more about them!

Oh, I hear ya! I've been working on my book about the unidentified photos and victims of Alcala for over a year and it is slow going because of the almost complete lack of information about him since this was all pre-Internet.

Pink Panther
12-16-2012, 11:23 PM
Oh, I hear ya! I've been working on my book about the unidentified photos and victims of Alcala for over a year and it is slow going because of the almost complete lack of information about him since this was all pre-Internet.
But why write about him? Why not write about his victims? I want to know about them. Not him. Who were they?

norest4thewicked
12-16-2012, 11:43 PM
But why write about him? Why not write about his victims? I want to know about them. Not him. Who were they?

Re-read my post. I AM writing about the unidentified and victims.

Here is a lot of info about the victims and the unidentified -

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Serial-Killer-Rodney-Alcalas-Victims/161183953929612?ref=hl

Cracka*Jaxx
01-01-2013, 07:28 PM
Here is a lot of info about the victims and the unidentified -

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Serial-Killer-Rodney-Alcalas-Victims/161183953929612?ref=hl
I believe I had an encounter with Alcala in the summer of 1971. I posted about it on one of these threads. Don't know if it's something you'd want to put in your book ...

norest4thewicked
01-01-2013, 08:35 PM
I believe I had an encounter with Alcala in the summer of 1971. I posted about it on one of these threads. Don't know if it's something you'd want to put in your book ...

I messaged you back. Hopefully we can chat sometime in the near future. Thanks so much!