The three phone calls Shawn made Billie that he deleted [Archive]

Kimster

02-06-2011, 05:57 PM

What is that all about?

debirlfan

02-06-2011, 07:07 PM

Just a guess, but if I was buying drugs, I wouldn't want my dealer's # on the phone when I handed it to the cops.

BeanE

02-06-2011, 07:37 PM

Nancy Grace January 13

GRACE: When we were told that — when police wanted to look at his cell phone, he started deleting numbers, did he explain that to you?

DUNN: What he told me was, they wanted to see where he had called me at work. He showed it to them on his phone. They said, OK, gave it back to him, and they said show me again. And he says it wasn`t there.

GRACE: To Connie Jones —

DUNN: They didn`t tell me he deleted it, so.

BeanE

02-06-2011, 07:38 PM

Search warrant affidavit

When asked by Investigator Sides for access to his cellular telephone to check on call history and text messages, ADKINS’ allowed Investigator Sides to look at the phone. Investigator Sides looked at three phone calls that where placed from ADKINS phone to the name Billie.

As the interview progressed, ADKINS provided information to investigators that possibly could contradict some of the information just viewed on ADKINS’ cellular telephone.

When asked if Investigator Sides could look at the phone again to verify what he had seen earlier on ADKINS’ phone, or confirm that ADKINS was correct, Investigator Sides witnessed ADKINS delete information from his cell phone and then hand the phone to Investigator Sides.

Investigator Sides was unable to view the call log information that had been viewed earlier. Investigator Sides then asked ADKINS’ “What happened to the phone call list and ADKINS was unable to give an answer.

Lanie

02-06-2011, 08:10 PM

This deleting of the call list makes no sense to me at all.

First of all, I don't believe for one second the call list was there one minute and just 'poof', gone the next. IMO, SA actually deleted it, right in front of the officers, after one of them had already seen and noted it.

IMO, I can think of a lot of innocent reasons to have 3 calls on my phone to my SO, but can't think of a single innocent reason to hide 3 phone calls to my SO.

Next, if I am to believe (1) someone is smart enough to take out the battery to their phone to avoid pings, I have to believe (2) that same person is smart enough to know LE can access phone records. Since SA's phone did show pings for 21 minutes in CC when he should not have been anywhere near there, I don't believe 1 or 2.

IMO, those 3 calls are an important point in this case. But I can't figure it out. It makes sense these were calls to BD's cell phone she left at home, but according to the timeline, BD leaves around 6:30am and SA arrives in CC at 6:35am, so how do 3 phone calls to HD fit into 5 minutes?

I've played around with thoughts maybe these 3 calls were made when SA and BD are claiming to be together, and that's why it's inconsistant. Maybe Monday evening?

Gardenlady

02-06-2011, 08:16 PM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

grandmaj

02-06-2011, 08:34 PM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

Good question Gardenlady.

curiousc

02-06-2011, 08:39 PM

I'd like to know when these three calls were made.

If it was after he left, was he trying to see if BD was gone already? Was he trying to contact Hailey? If this was the case, Hailey was still alive that morning.

Or was it before BD left for work? What were they discussing? If this is the case, perhaps Hailey was not alive at that time.

yllek

02-06-2011, 09:02 PM

-Billie claims that SA told her that LE wanted to see where he had called her at work. He deleted those 3 calls.
-The affidavit shows only that the call id for the 3 calls he deleted was "Billie", could have been work or cell.

12/26 is shifty to me. Too little information in anybody's version of events. If you take Hailey's brother's sighting of Hailey playing Xbox in the living room at 9 p.m. that night (he was confused perhaps, his recollection was influenced by someone else?), something could have happened as early as Sunday early afternoon. Even if the DD 9:00 p.m. sighting is accurate, calls from Shawn to Billie anytime on Sunday up until the time he left for work on Monday (5 a.m hour) are suspicious. These two claim to have been together in the house the whole time.

Just speculation... It bugs me that Billie says she thinks DD left earlier than 9:00 p.m. Sunday night and Hailey was playing Xbox in DD's room, but DD says it was 9:00 p.m. and she was playing in the living room.

Could SA have taken Hailey somewhere far away on Sunday or very early Monday morning, called Billie's cell 3 times during that time, and then gone straight into work in Snyder on Monday morning (rather than leaving for work from Billie's house)? Nobody but Billie saw SA between 9 p.m. Sunday night and the time he got to work Monday morning. Hailey's been relocated, SA checks into work to get rid of his coveralls or for some other reason, and then goes home to clean-up or set the stage there before driving to his moms?

These 3 calls are perplexing without knowing the date, time and location from which they were sent and received.

katydid23

02-06-2011, 09:11 PM

I think that if Billie says he was trying to erase the three calls to her, then the only thing he wasn't trying to erase was the three calls to her.

Either he told her that story, and she is dutifully repeating it, or she made it up herself.

I think it is more likely he deleted his call log to erase a drug dealer, a girlfriend, an accomplice, a child trafficker, etc etc

And I am sure he knows that the cops would eventually get those call records, but for some reason he wanted to stall them. I wonder why.

yllek

02-06-2011, 09:14 PM

I think that if Billie says he was trying to erase the three calls to her, then the only thing he wasn't trying to erase was the three calls to her.

Either he told her that story, and she is dutifully repeating it, or she made it up herself.

I think it is more likely he deleted his call log to erase a drug dealer, a girlfriend, an accomplice, a child trafficker, etc etc

And I am sure he knows that the cops would eventually get those call records, but for some reason he wanted to stall them. I wonder why.

I think that's possible. What bugs me though is that the affidavit states the calls in question were made to caller id "Billie".

Soulmagent

02-06-2011, 09:25 PM

What I dont get is why the officer handed the phone back to SA to give him the chance to delete any calls.

They are questioning him. Once the officer had his phone the officers should have had him talking and then the officers checking the phone along with him.

How was Shawn supposed to know they would want to see it again,and why didnt he delete it before he got there?

katydid23

02-06-2011, 09:30 PM

I think that's possible. What bugs me though is that the affidavit states the calls in question were made to caller id "Billie".

True. and as noted, we don't know if it was Billie 'work' or Billie 'cell.'

Lanie

02-06-2011, 10:01 PM

I think that if Billie says he was trying to erase the three calls to her, then the only thing he wasn't trying to erase was the three calls to her.

Either he told her that story, and she is dutifully repeating it, or she made it up herself.

I think it is more likely he deleted his call log to erase a drug dealer, a girlfriend, an accomplice, a child trafficker, etc etc

And I am sure he knows that the cops would eventually get those call records, but for some reason he wanted to stall them. I wonder why.

The problems I have with this theory are LE specifies in the affidavit about the 3 calls to the name 'Billie', and if SA was so interested in covering up a number like a drug dealer or accomplice, why didn't he erase the call list before he handed LE the phone the first time?

It seems to me, MOO, there wasn't a problem until he told LE something that contradicted the 3 'Billie' calls, which was the reason LE asked to see the phone again. IMO, it's pretty brazen to delete a call list right in front of 2 police officers who had already looked at the phone once and had just asked to see it again, so their attention was on him and his phone, and then to tell the officers who just watched him delete the call list he didn't know what happened to it.

mysticrose

02-06-2011, 10:20 PM

I would believe those calls to "Billie" would have been to the cell phone. Why delete them if it was to Billie's work, doesn't make sense. I don't recall Billie saying anywhere that SA had called her several times that day at work has anyone ?

Quiche

02-06-2011, 10:22 PM

I just hope SA is a texter... :winko:

katydid23

02-06-2011, 10:43 PM

The problems I have with this theory are LE specifies in the affidavit about the 3 calls to the name 'Billie', and if SA was so interested in covering up a number like a drug dealer or accomplice, why didn't he erase the call list before he handed LE the phone the first time?

It seems to me, MOO, there wasn't a problem until he told LE something that contradicted the 3 'Billie' calls, which was the reason LE asked to see the phone again. IMO, it's pretty brazen to delete a call list right in front of 2 police officers who had already looked at the phone once and had just asked to see it again, so their attention was on him and his phone, and then to tell the officers who just watched him delete the call list he didn't know what happened to it.

I don't think SA thought about having to give them his cell phone in time to erase his log. I think he is shortsighted and not that bright.

But I had forgotten it was in the affadvait---I was going on the fact that Billie said it. That itself made me doubt the veracity.

katydid23

02-06-2011, 10:44 PM

I would believe those calls to "Billie" would have been to the cell phone. Why delete them if it was to Billie's work, doesn't make sense. I don't recall Billie saying anywhere that SA had called her several times that day at work has anyone ?

I agree.

WillenFan21

02-06-2011, 10:44 PM

Since LE got his cell phone records and her cell phone records even if he deleted a call it will still be in the records. I don't even think you can delete calls but I could be wrong.

Tugela

02-06-2011, 10:56 PM

The records would be available from the phone company, and probably those 3 calls were within the "ping" data.

Soulmagent

02-06-2011, 11:12 PM

Any conflict SA had with his call history could have been "i dont remember"

He made 11 phone calls in a few hours. The actions of deleting the calls is moot after the officer has seen them. It would have been almost better had he said something like
"I was high and called so many people I dont remember for sure"

So him deleting them in the LE's office after he got there and showed the officer once had me thinking it was more something he was hiding from Billie and not LE.

SubtleGrace

02-06-2011, 11:28 PM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

gngr~snap

02-06-2011, 11:38 PM

keep it from Billie. What if it said like "hot mama" pr some cavity causing pwt name and the officer said so this # here is! Billie? SA says yes. Officer hands phone back, then :waitasec: THAT is not BD's # then delete delete delete! Cause SA got caught in a lie?

plausible or a dealer maybe IDK

android posted excuse typos

Mariel Van Arkle

02-06-2011, 11:48 PM

Would a phone call still register on the log even if someone does not pick up the other end? Because, if so, SA could have been calling Billie's cell at home to make sure DD was not in the house (assuming DD would pick up the phone if he was at home). Kind of a security check so to speak.

angeleleven

02-06-2011, 11:51 PM

Yes, it stills registers as a "missed call".

Mariel Van Arkle

02-06-2011, 11:58 PM

So if SA was calling BD's cell at home, and he was not expecting HD to answer (because she was supposed to be at her friend's house, or otherwise missing) the only other person he could reasonably expect to pick up the phone would be DD. He would not want LE to know he called an empty home, and he'd have to make up a reason as to why he'd need to call DD, if that is who he was trying (or trying not) to reach. Easier to just delete the three (missed, if so) calls.

Blue Eyed Chick

02-06-2011, 11:58 PM

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

Soulmagent

02-07-2011, 01:40 AM

So if SA was calling BD's cell at home, and he was not expecting HD to answer (because she was supposed to be at her friend's house, or otherwise missing) the only other person he could reasonably expect to pick up the phone would be DD. He would not want LE to know he called an empty home, and he'd have to make up a reason as to why he'd need to call DD, if that is who he was trying (or trying not) to reach. Easier to just delete the three (missed, if so) calls.

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

gngr~snap

02-07-2011, 08:41 AM

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

Maybe he only deleted them just to buy some time.Say time enough to warn that person a heads up (if it wasn't really Billie ) that LE had his phone, he'd deleted the # but that in time they would aquire the # and be contacting that person to question them?

Lanie

02-07-2011, 08:49 AM

Since LE got his cell phone records and her cell phone records even if he deleted a call it will still be in the records. I don't even think you can delete calls but I could be wrong.

I agree LE now has the phone records, but at the time this took place they did not. That's why I question someone being smart enough to know about phone pings but thinking deleting a call list from their phone is going to 'thwart' LE from discovering what calls were made.

IMO, if the scenario was SA told LE he had not talked to BD on the phone, after LE had seen the calls, the simplest thing to do would be to say, "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I did call her 3 times." unless that just would not fly, KWIM? But no, he deletes it, right in front of LE. This may have temporarily bought some time, but LE has the records now, and they know who, when , and how long he spoke with whoever he called. IMO, these calls are proof somehow the story SA has told LE is not true.

Also, IMO, if these calls turned out to be to say, a drug dealer, that doesn't prove anything. Drug dealers have friends, too, I would think, and just having phone calls to someone who deals drugs doesn't prove you buy drugs from them.

Lanie

02-07-2011, 08:58 AM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

Here's my problem with this. (And I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be argumentive :crazy::crazy::crazy:)

LE has publicly stated none of the sightings of Hailey on that Monday have been corroborated. So, IMO, if the calls were made later than the early morning on Monday, and these were actual calls vs. going straight to voice mail, then either SA was contacting someone else on BD's phone, or he was actually speaking with Hailey, which would seem to not make these sightings such a big deal.

IMO, for him to be calling Hailey in the early morning, I don't have a clue what the purpose would be. BD says she was late getting picked up, and how would SA know that? He left his work at 6:10am, and it's too much of a stretch, at least right now, for me to believe he just happened to start calling Hailey after 6:30 when BD should have been gone by 6:20, and he also shows pinging at 6:35 in CC. Even adding a few minutes to get to the house after the pinging starts, 3 calls of any substance over what appears to be a less than 10 minute window just seems odd.

Right now my #1 theory on this is they were actual calls to BD, and it's in a time frame where the story is SA and BD were together, so no need for SA to be calling her on the phone. MOO.

Lanie

02-07-2011, 09:02 AM

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

If I were calling another guy I didn't want my husband to know about, so I used a different name, if my husband were to look at my phone, why wouldn't he know when he saw calls to him, that he had not spoken with me at that time? Personally, I would use the name of a female friend, but SA, IMO, is not the brightest bulb in the light fixture, so who knows?

Mariel Van Arkle

02-07-2011, 09:21 AM

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

Oh, that's right. I don't know why I can't keep this straight, I've been getting this timeline screwed up from day one. :nevermind:

Gardenlady

02-07-2011, 09:49 AM

Here's my problem with this. (And I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be argumentive :crazy::crazy::crazy:)

LE has publicly stated none of the sightings of Hailey on that Monday have been corroborated. So, IMO, if the calls were made later than the early morning on Monday, and these were actual calls vs. going straight to voice mail, then either SA was contacting someone else on BD's phone, or he was actually speaking with Hailey, which would seem to not make these sightings such a big deal.

IMO, for him to be calling Hailey in the early morning, I don't have a clue what the purpose would be. BD says she was late getting picked up, and how would SA know that? He left his work at 6:10am, and it's too much of a stretch, at least right now, for me to believe he just happened to start calling Hailey after 6:30 when BD should have been gone by 6:20, and he also shows pinging at 6:35 in CC. Even adding a few minutes to get to the house after the pinging starts, 3 calls of any substance over what appears to be a less than 10 minute window just seems odd.

Just brainstorming off the top of my head... If he calls early, maybe he has already left his job after the bizarre Dr Pepper incident, is on his way back to CCity, and is calling to see if BD has left for work yet. He is intending to go home to BDs house, and has some intention of doing something to/with HD (taking her somewhere? Harming her? Cleaning up? And I hate, hate speculating on these things), so he needs to be sure BD is gone. Thus, the uncorroborated sightings of HD later in the morning/early afternoon are just that still - uncorroborated, mistaken sightings, perhaps. He gets home, and something happens to HD. He later deletes these calls because he realizes that for him to be calling BDs home shows he is not at work, shows he was calling home for some reason at a time when he knew BD should have already left, etc.

If he called later in the morning, same thing... maybe she hasn't been out of the house yet, he calls to be sure BD is gone, goes home, something happens to HD.

Wish we knew for sure which number (home cell phone or work) that he had listed under "Billie", and what dang time it was that the calls were made.

TxLady2

02-07-2011, 09:58 AM

What I dont get is why the officer handed the phone back to SA to give him the chance to delete any calls.

They are questioning him. Once the officer had his phone the officers should have had him talking and then the officers checking the phone along with him.

How was Shawn supposed to know they would want to see it again,and why didnt he delete it before he got there?

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

belimom

02-07-2011, 10:38 AM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

-Billie claims that SA told her that LE wanted to see where he had called her at work. He deleted those 3 calls.
-The affidavit shows only that the call id for the 3 calls he deleted was "Billie", could have been work or cell.

.......

These 3 calls are perplexing without knowing the date, time and location from which they were sent and received.

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

Yes, BINGO indeed!!!!

Here is a possibility:

- BD did NOT leave her phone home on Monday (but did on Tuesday)

- SA's 'pings' from 6:36-6:56 were to BD's cell phone while she was in the car on the way to work* (6:30-7:00 - I think the timeline may fit too much to just be coincidental?)
--- (*ETA: Or, Billie's house... meaning, he was trying to reach Hailey, or talking to Hailey? I'm starting to spin in circles here - LOL!)

- So between questioning BD (who says her phone was at home) and questioning SA (who said he called BD at 'work'), I think LE decided to check the actual number that SA had dialed (and that's when he deleted it) b/c somewhere along the line, someone slipped and said something that indicated to LE that BD's phone was not at home that day (Monday). It may have been either with SA or with BD.

- I also think the text at 2:16pm was not from CCity. If it had pinged from CCity, then LE would have been more inclined to believe the sightings placing Hailey in CCity on Monday. If there was nothing hinky about that text, then LE would not be acting so secretive about it.

One thing LE has said is that the statements being given do not match the electronic data. I'm starting to think not only are they talking about where SA was but also where BD's phone was..

JMHO

SoSueMe

02-07-2011, 10:41 AM

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

"Billie" could also be Billie at work, where he would likely call her the most often. Perhaps the phone left at the house was labeled "home" or something like that? If BD leaves the phone home for the kids all the time, I don't see him labeling that number as Billie necessarily.

As in most cases, I wish we had those phone records!

grandmaj

02-07-2011, 10:55 AM

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

LE knows they can get the phone records. I think it was a pretty good move. LE is watching every reaction during questioning. For SA to do this showed they had him in a tight spot. It is all part of the record. At that time there was no search warrant for the phone, so even though SA gave it up once, he chose to not cooperate fully by erasing the numbers.

This in my opinion showed the mindset of SA at the time and just one more way to prove he was hiding something.

The question about why he would be calling BD on her cell phone is a good one. It said BD on the screen but who was on the other end of that phone? He knew BD was at work. So was he actually calling Hailey? Or was he calling BD at work.

belimom

02-07-2011, 11:06 AM

............

The question about why he would be calling BD on her cell phone is a good one. It said BD on the screen but who was on the other end of that phone? He knew BD was at work. So was he actually calling Hailey? Or was he calling BD at work.

bbm

I think one of two things, if these were those early morning calls:

1) BD wasn't at work until around 7:00am, so if he was calling her, then it had to have been cell phone or either a third phone while she was in the car on the way to work from 6:30-7:00. So was the phone the friend's? an unknown phone? BD's phone? :waitasec:

OR

2) he could have been calling Billie's house.

grandmaj

02-07-2011, 11:20 AM

Yup scary stuff to think he was calling the cell phone if it was at the house with only Hailey there.

If the phone was with Billie and not at the house as claimed, then he was probably trying to verify that Billie was gone from the house.

belimom

02-07-2011, 11:29 AM

Yup scary stuff to think he was calling the cell phone if it was at the house with only Hailey there.

If the phone was with Billie and not at the house as claimed, then he was probably trying to verify that Billie was gone from the house.

So let's play pretend for a moment:

If SA is calling the house (either cell phone or house phone), he is doing what?
- making sure BD is gone?
- making sure Hailey is asleep/out of it?
- making sure no one else came in (DD...?)?
- talking to Hailey?

If SA is on the phone with BD, then what?
- she had her phone with her that day?
- she was talking on friend's phone?
- she was talking on a 3rd phone?

I keep hearing in my head, "Here we go round the mulberry bush, so early in the morning...".

PassTheMotrin

02-07-2011, 12:06 PM

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

If I recall correctly, Billie said on one of her first appearances on the NG show (I think it was her first,) that she left her phone with Hailey during the day while she was at work.

parker38

02-07-2011, 04:32 PM

Something else I've thought of, which may have already been
addressed here, is the fact that if SA wrote that TEXT to MB,
that is the only way he could do this without a voice behind a call.

IOW He could text as HD to MB, but not make a call to MB...

This would be another plus if we want to put that texting
in his hands, if Hailey wasn't around.

Hope that's not confusing lol

Wise Old Owl

02-07-2011, 04:50 PM

If I recall correctly, Billie said on one of her first appearances on the NG show (I think it was her first,) that she left her phone with Hailey during the day while she was at work.
Which has me wondering when this "practice of leaving the cell at home with the kids" actually started. I say that because last year - during the Valentine's Day 911 calls BD was on her cell and she was at work. She said SA had been texting her - you can't text to a hospital land line - nope, she was on her cell. And IIRC she also said that DD was home and didn't have a phone there. No landline, no cell. So, BD had been taking her cell to work with her then.

tehcloser

02-07-2011, 04:56 PM

I think the calls being deleted are simply because they didn't want LE to see they had been talking to each other....kinda hard to keep the "story up" when you are talking to each other so often. I think that's also why we later heard the story change to "he called me to tell me HD was going to MB's". Coming up with stories to cover the calls.

gngr~snap

02-07-2011, 04:59 PM

I'm not sure what time the first call was... Coild he have already been at the home and calling the phone to locate it? Not sure how long the call lasted maybe he called it from the home just to leave a message on voice mail? Lots of killers call women they know are dead to pretend they have no knowledge of the crime.

belimom

02-07-2011, 05:02 PM

I think the calls being deleted are simply because they didn't want LE to see they had been talking to each other....kinda hard to keep the "story up" when you are talking to each other so often. I think that's also why we later heard the story change to "he called me to tell me HD was going to MB's". Coming up with stories to cover the calls.

True... Cz first reported on here that BD was told about Hailey going to MB's after she got home.

ETA:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1

bbm

I am on the phone with Billie right now:

When Billie got home from work Monday, her BF told her that he came home early and that Hailey had left shortly after that. Tuesday, Billie called her son from work to get ahold of Hailey and tell her it was time to come home. The friend said Hailey never showed. The son called Billie, who came home, checked a few places. and went straight to the PD to report Hailey missing. She said 1pm because she had just assumed that BF came home at lunch on Monday - she never asked him, and didn't stop at her house or talk to him before she went to the PD.

Billie says that until the PD interviewed them Wednesday, she didn't realize that BF actually came home Monday at 3pm. LE has been aware since Wednesday that Billie accidentally reported the wrong time.

debirlfan

02-10-2011, 06:35 PM

I think that's possible. What bugs me though is that the affidavit states the calls in question were made to caller id "Billie".

Maybe "Billie" isn't Billie Dunn. If so, that would explain why the phone didn't match up with what he told the cops. "Billie" could be a guy's name - although most guys would probably spell it Billy, if he's used to spelling it with the "ie" he could have unthinkingly entered it into the phone that way. Calls to BD might be identified on his phone as "Home" - personally I don't have a cell, but I think many people who do identify the phone they use at home by that name.

If phone "Billie" was the dealer, when Shawn realized that, and that the cops were questioning his calls thinking they were to BD, he could have easily freaked and got them off of there.

katydid23

02-10-2011, 06:52 PM

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

my cell has a ' delete history' option on it

katydid23

02-10-2011, 06:55 PM

Maybe "Billie" isn't Billie Dunn. If so, that would explain why the phone didn't match up with what he told the cops. "Billie" could be a guy's name - although most guys would probably spell it Billy, if he's used to spelling it with the "ie" he could have unthinkingly entered it into the phone that way. Calls to BD might be identified on his phone as "Home" - personally I don't have a cell, but I think many people who do identify the phone they use at home by that name.

If phone "Billie" was the dealer, when Shawn realized that, and that the cops were questioning his calls thinking they were to BD, he could have easily freaked and got them off of there.

Good point. There were comments on his myspace from a 'billy' that confused people at first. And it turned out to be a cousin or good friend of his by that jname.

hollyblue

02-11-2011, 12:01 PM

I think we're all chasing our tails until we know exactly what time of day or even what day they are talking about. BUT, if this was the morning of of the 27th, I think the descrepancy that LE is talking about and wanting to see the phone again about...is SA saying he called BD at work when actually, he was calling BD's cell. And that's IF he was telling BD the truth about the whole scenario. The problem is...why would he be calling BD at work before her 7am scheduled time to work?

He is like Van der Sloot, he lies to get himself out of lies, but they can't put anything on him at times. Even when Sloot was caught with evidence...he still lied, to everyone including his family.

Love to know how many computers they want to check out and how many peeple's phone records checked too. No wonder it's taking so long.
I hope he didn't buy one of those trac phones and dispose of it.

Aedrys

02-11-2011, 03:58 PM

It makes no sense that he would delete those phone calls right in front of the police unless he was showing off. It's like he was saying to their faces, "I'm not going to make this easy on you, you're going to have to prove what I did to Hailey." He was trying to make them think he was a big tough guy, look at me, I'm erasing the numbers right in front of you, what are YOU going to do about it right now? I'm sure he knew they'd get the cellphone records, but that would take time. He seems like someone, to me, that little victories like that mean a lot to, which is incredibly immature. And he doesn't seem to have much respect for authority either.

And he wonders why people think he's guilty when he acts like a rebellious teenager in front of police. Sheesh.

MD MOMMY

02-11-2011, 09:01 PM

I wonder if these interviews are videotaped and recorded? I guess I'm so used to seeing every detail in the ICA case, it leaves me very thirsty for more information!

yllek

02-18-2011, 03:59 PM

Well, I guess we won't know anytime soon what evidence/value the phone records hold. Didn't expect that they would be released and certainly don't want anything out there that could jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution of those responsible. Still, curious as heck! LE refused the request for them to be released under the Freedom of Information act...

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343746

(posted this update in the three threads related to phone pings/records as it applies to all three specific discussions)
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Jo in Calif

02-18-2011, 06:35 PM

This could be one of the reasons that LE has confiscated those phones.
If the 3 calls that Shawn has claimed that he did not delete, had better still be on that phone and match the records that LE won't release.