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fhc
02-13-2011, 10:21 PM
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/police-searching-for-bellefontaine-woman-missing-since-friday-1080629.html

last seen leaving her home in the 500 block of Albert Street Friday around 4:30 p.m., said her mother, Deborah Neeley.

Neeley said she sent text messages to her daughter and didn’t receive a response Friday.

When the babysitter of Brown’s two young children contacted Neeley Friday night and said she hadn’t heard from Brown, Neeley said she knew something was wrong.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/26852261/detail.html

Tiffany Brown, 26, was last seen Friday around 3 p.m. near the Boardwalk Main beauty shop at 130 South Main Street, her family said.

Brown is 5'3", weighs about 180 pounds and has brown hair and eyes.

She was seen driving a 1997 light blue/grey 4 door Honda Civic with a yellow bumper sticker on rear driver trunk lid reading ”Look out for motorcycles” with Ohio registration DLS 7801.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Bellefontaine Police Department at 1-937-599-1010 or your local police department

http://www.myspace.com/80803953

Single Mother of a 2 & 4 yr old (boys). A message on her myspace from a friend? seems to indicate this is serious.

angela
02-13-2011, 10:36 PM
The police seem to be taking this seriously. We all know that doesn't always happen. Her friend is certain someone took her. I wonder why?

krista
02-13-2011, 10:37 PM
Agh......she clearly adores these boys. They are all over her myspace page. She would be VERY unlikely to leave them willingly, IMHO. Where is Tiffany?!!?!?

krista
02-13-2011, 10:39 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000854071703#!/profile.php?id=100001522597015

SuziQ
02-13-2011, 10:49 PM
When and where did her phone last ping?

darlin gal
02-13-2011, 10:53 PM
Neeley said someone used Tiffany’s cell phone Saturday morning between 6:30 and 8:30.

The call was traced to a tower in Kenton.

http://www.peakofohio.com/viewNews.php?storyID=3041

darlin gal
02-13-2011, 10:54 PM
Tiffany’s mother, Deb Neeley of Bellefontaine, is extremely concerned for her daughter’s safety. She said it’s “totally out of character” for her daughter to suddenly leave.

Neeley works at the Boardwalk Mane Styling Salon in the Centre City Mall. She last saw Tiffany at the salon Friday afternoon around 3:30.

Tiffany deposited a check for her mom, then went home and left her children with a babysitter for a short time to run errands Friday around 4:30.

http://www.peakofohio.com/viewNews.php?storyID=3041

darlin gal
02-13-2011, 10:55 PM
After going to PNC Bank, she was supposed to go to the grocery. However, she never made it to Kroger's and hasn't been heard from since.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-554995

krista
02-13-2011, 10:57 PM
Tiffany hired a babysitter to run errands on a Friday night??

I'm wondering if she was going to meet someone. Her Myspace page is open and tells everyone who looks at it that if they are 'the one' they should contact her. I wonder who might have 'met' her via the internet.

darlin gal
02-13-2011, 10:59 PM
Tiffany hired a babysitter to run errands on a Friday night??

I'm wondering if she was going to meet someone. Her Myspace page is open and tells everyone who looks at it that if they are 'the one' they should contact her. I wonder who might have 'met' her via the internet.

She left them with a sitter to run to the store is my understanding.

angela
02-13-2011, 11:10 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000854071703#!/profile.php?id=100001522597015
She has a lot of good friends who are very concerned about her. They all insist she would never just take off and leave her boys. This doesn't look good at all. I hope she is ok.

curiousc
02-14-2011, 01:47 AM
No this doesn't look good at all. Where is the bio dad of the boys and how long have they been broken up?

Hope she is found safe and soon!

redcar1
02-14-2011, 11:53 AM
Has anything been reported about the father of the 2 boys? Is she divorced? Was she seeing someone?

Sounds very suspicious!
JMO

SurfieTX
02-14-2011, 11:55 AM
Nancy is featuring her on her FB page: http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

fhc
02-14-2011, 12:53 PM
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/family-looks-for-missing-mother-of-two-

This link has a close-up picture.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/14/story-bellefontaine-missing-mom.html?sid=102

http://www.myfox28columbus.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wtte_vid_9262.shtml

more exposure but nothing new

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 01:11 PM
The cellphone ping was recorded on a tower in Kenton, 20 miles to the NE. Last phone use was early Saturday morning.

Her myspace mood is "Happy" and she speaks of how much she loves her children. This doesn't strike me as someone who would pick up and leave her kids behind.

Nope, not looking good at this point.

WaitOneMinute
02-14-2011, 01:12 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/173967_713656396_7370563_n.jpg

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001522597015#!/event.php?eid=180236512017944

fhc
02-14-2011, 01:13 PM
http://www.examiner.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18958:missing-mother-described-as-responsible-hardworking&catid=34:local-news&Itemid=55

GOOD article

Ms. Brown’s life is full, Mrs. Neeley said. She attends beauty school Tuesday to Friday in Lima and works at Lowe’s Home Improvement Warehouse, 2168 S. Main St., Saturday through Monday.

She seldom goes out, but enjoys hanging out with friends and motorcycle rides.

“She seemed to be in good spirits,” Mrs. Neeley said. “She had just gotten her income tax return check and was planning to get a new van to replace her car.

Amster
02-14-2011, 01:29 PM
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/family-looks-for-missing-mother-of-two-

This link has a close-up picture.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/14/story-bellefontaine-missing-mom.html?sid=102

http://www.myfox28columbus.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wtte_vid_9262.shtml

more exposure but nothing new

So, the cell phone ping on Sat. morning was to her ex? Mom says it wasn't her daughter.....the text was illiterate. Wonder what was said?

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 01:37 PM
I was wondering if Tiffany even had a reason to travel to Kenton. Doesn't sound like it if she told the babysitter she would only be gone half an hour. There is a Krogers in town so she wouldn't need to travel to Kenton for that.

A phone will ping as long as it's turned on. It doesn't need a call to make that happen. Was the phone only turned on to make that last call. Who was the call made to or was it just to voicemail? That worries me if someone was calling voicemail. A perp will usually do that to see if their victim is being missed yet. IMO they do this out of morbid curiosity and give themselves a heads up for when people start looking for their victim.

Another thought is that this could be a car accident. All the more reason to get the phone pings asap.

ETA: missed the info about who the call was made to.

Amster
02-14-2011, 01:42 PM
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/family-looks-for-missing-mother-of-two-

This is the video where the phone text was talked about. It was to the father of the 2 boys.

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 01:45 PM
I fear someone else has had control of Tiffany's cell phone since Friday, and are trying to make it appear she's alive and well when she isn't. I'd love to know what the text message says.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 02:40 PM
I was wondering if Tiffany even had a reason to travel to Kenton. Doesn't sound like it if she told the babysitter she would only be gone half an hour. There is a Krogers in town so she wouldn't need to travel to Kenton for that.

A phone will ping as long as it's turned on. It doesn't need a call to make that happen. Was the phone only turned on to make that last call. Who was the call made to or was it just to voicemail? That worries me if someone was calling voicemail. A perp will usually do that to see if their victim is being missed yet. IMO they do this out of morbid curiosity and give themselves a heads up for when people start looking for their victim.

Another thought is that this could be a car accident. All the more reason to get the phone pings asap.

ETA: missed the info about who the call was made to.


My guess that if her phone was used in Bellefontaine, Kenton would be the tower her phone would ping off of.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 02:54 PM
The bright yellow poster for Tiffany's disappearance says her license plate is DSL 7801 while 10tv news says the plate # is DLF 7801.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/14/story-bellefontaine-missing-mom.html?sid=102

Someone in LE or MSM needs to get that straight.

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 03:25 PM
My guess that if her phone was used in Bellefontaine, Kenton would be the tower her phone would ping off of.

Kenton is 20 miles away. Cell towers are usually more plentiful than that. It would be unusual these days to ping on a tower so far away. I'm going to see if I can map the towers. BRB.

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 03:28 PM
There are at least two cell towers in Bellefontaine.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Bellefontaine-Ohio.html

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 03:35 PM
FWIW, there are at least two cell towers North of Kenton.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Kenton-Ohio.html

dreamweaver
02-14-2011, 04:16 PM
http://www.myfox28columbus.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wtte_vid_9262.shtml

Title added: Car found

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/14/story-bellefontaine-missing-mom.html?sid=102

Authorities have located the vehicle belonging to a Logan County woman who has been missing since last week.
Tiffany Brown's car was found in Bellefontaine at the Colonial Arms Apartments, located at 554 East Columbus St., 10TV's Kevin Landers reported on Monday.

Investigators did not immediately provide any additional details about the vehicle, or developments into the investigation.

dreamweaver
02-14-2011, 04:20 PM
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-555017

he last number called from her phone was right when she went missing and the phone number is for a person in Chicago, Illinois. Our family does not know anyone from that area.


IReport says it is her aunt that is doing online report.

dreamweaver
02-14-2011, 04:23 PM
http://www.intheworldnews.com/tiffany-brown-of-bellefontaine-missing-from-home/341043/

Tiffanys parents did say that someone sent a text message from her phone to the father of tiffanys two children but they don’t believe it was her as the message was according to the parents. Illiterate and Tiffany is not illiterate.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 04:29 PM
PNC Bank, where she deposited her mother's check, is approximately 10 blocks, or 1/2 mile, west of the Colonial Arms Apartments, where her car was found.

If I can come up with a decent map, I'll post it.

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 04:37 PM
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-555017

he last number called from her phone was right when she went missing and the phone number is for a person in Chicago, Illinois. Our family does not know anyone from that area.


IReport says it is her aunt that is doing online report.

At least they have a phone number to track down. If this is a cell phone, this could be a local person with a Chicago area code. Even though he lives in Utah, my SIL has had a Hawaii area code on his cell for years. He went to school there.

ETA: or the perp was stupid enough to use her phone to call someone they know with a Chicago number.

SurfieTX
02-14-2011, 04:41 PM
I can't find the link, but I recall LE stating that they weren't releasing the time that she made the deposits for her mom at the bank.

I wonder if she did this routinely. Could robbery have been a motive? Did acquaintances know that she did this?

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 04:43 PM
The apartments are within very close proximity to the bank:


http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/ScreenHunter_01Feb141541.jpg

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 05:04 PM
I can't find the link, but I recall LE stating that they weren't releasing the time that she made the deposits for her mom at the bank.

I wonder if she did this routinely. Could robbery have been a motive? Did acquaintances know that she did this?

Robbery could have been a motive, but if she was making deposits for her mother, there'd be no money involved. Unless these were partial deposits.

I wonder which it was: full or partial deposit.

SurfieTX
02-14-2011, 05:09 PM
Robbery could have been a motive, but if she was making deposits for her mother, there'd be no money involved. Unless these were partial deposits.

I wonder which it was: full or partial deposit.

I'm thinking since it was a beauty shop, there would be a mixed bank bag of checks and cash (from tips or cash-paying people). IIRC, this was on a Friday? I wonder if she went only on Fridays? Being that the car was found so close, it could be that she was ambushed at or near the bank and the car dropped at the apt. complex.

redcar1
02-14-2011, 05:10 PM
I still say the call/text to her ex may be key here. If there was bad blodd between them, he may have scheduled a meeting with her during that time. If he knew she'd be out running errands... Had there ever been a custody battle? Does he have legal rights to the kids?


Does the ex have any friends/family ties to those apartments? Otherwise it could have been a robbery/car jacking and taken to those apartments. I hope they are conducting searches there. She could possibly be alive in one of those apartments.

JMO

redcar1
02-14-2011, 05:11 PM
One more thing...does the bank have video footage of her mking it to the bank? Was someone suspicious in there at the same time?

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 05:17 PM
I'm thinking since it was a beauty shop, there would be a mixed bank bag of checks and cash (from tips or cash-paying people). IIRC, this was on a Friday? I wonder if she went only on Fridays? Being that the car was found so close, it could be that she was ambushed at or near the bank and the car dropped at the apt. complex.

I wasn't thinking of other checks and cash, possibly from the beauty shop. Very good. I think you're on to something.

If she had a Friday routine including stopping at the bank at a certain time each week, it's very possible someone else saw the pattern and waited for her.

krista
02-14-2011, 05:18 PM
Did the ex alert police that he recieved the text from her....or did her parents find this out from LE?? I'm wondering how involved in the search the ex is. Does anyone know what Colonial Arms Apts reputation is like? TIA.

CuriousHousewife
02-14-2011, 05:24 PM
I wonder what the contents "illiterate" text were? In the video I watched, her father said "she would never leave them kids. Because it's all about her and them boys". So...I wonder what "illiterate" means to them. I don't mean this in a snarky way, but I was watching that video RIGHT before I read the comment about the text not being from her because she's not illiterate.

krista
02-14-2011, 05:43 PM
What could possibly be the reason for texting the ex anyway?? They would have to KNOW that he was the ex, first of all. Second, it isn't likely that the ex was her last contact since her mother said that she txted her daughter several times that night....so, if they were just randomly texting someone or 'butt texting' or something, it would most likely be to the last person she contacted. I just can't see any reason for the call to the ex unless this was:
1. the ex setting up an alibi
2. someone who is harming Tiffany to get back at the ex.
3. Tiffany trying to make contact with someone (though 911 would have obviously been the better number to dial).
Other ideas??

I agree...I want to know what was said in the text. Curioushousewife, interestingly, the ex isn't the best speller in the world.....and he doesn't have a job according to his FB page. Hope he has a great alibi. MOO.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 05:49 PM
Also, she just recently got her income check. Could someone had known this?

Also, ten blocks in Bellefontaine is not as far as what one would think. This is small town, not Detroit.

Kenton would be a usual place of travel for someone who lives in Bellefontaine.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 05:52 PM
Did the ex alert police that he recieved the text from her....or did her parents find this out from LE?? I'm wondering how involved in the search the ex is. Does anyone know what Colonial Arms Apts reputation is like? TIA.

I'm from this area, and the worst parts of Bellefontaine are not nearly as bad as some "bad parts" of town in some areas. There's not an area in Bellefontaine that would scare me.

Sure, there are always areas in a town that people consider "unsafe", but crime in bellefontaine is not like crime in big cities.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 05:54 PM
To add: A person can exit from Route 33 (which is heavily traveled) on two separate exits that immediately take you into Bellefontaine. Someone could easily jump off the road, and quickly back on.

fhc
02-14-2011, 05:56 PM
Welcome Whatever1, it helps so much to have a local here.

nursebeeme
02-14-2011, 05:56 PM
did we know her car has been found? sorry I am just joining the discussion


The car of a missing Logan County mother has been located by police.

The 1997 Honda Civic that Tiffany Brown was last known to be driving was recovered about 1:00 Monday afternoon from an apartment complex east of Bellefontaine.


http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/logan/car-found-in-logan-county

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 05:56 PM
I wonder what the contents "illiterate" text were? In the video I watched, her father said "she would never leave them kids. Because it's all about her and them boys". So...I wonder what "illiterate" means to them. I don't mean this in a snarky way, but I was watching that video RIGHT before I read the comment about the text not being from her because she's not illiterate.

I was thinking that the father didn't really mean illiterate at all, but was trying to say the text was gibberish or just a bunch of nonsensical letters or symbols or screen junk.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 05:57 PM
did we know her car has been found? sorry I am just joining the discussion


http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/logan/car-found-in-logan-county

Yes we heard that earlier this afternoon; see post #28. But thanks! Please take a look at the map above to see the distance from PNC bank (the last place she was seen) and where the car was found (Colonial Arms Apts.) in post #34.

I'm glad you're here.

nursebeeme
02-14-2011, 05:57 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/14/stephanie-low-nancy-grace-america’s-missing/

nancy has her info up on her page... maybe she will cover it tonight

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 05:58 PM
ON truths map...you can see Route 47...if you say on that for about 2 or three more miles you hit 33, also you can make a left off of 47, wind around and in 3 or 4 miles hit another exit to 33.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 06:01 PM
The jibberish text...I think most people know the texting style of their friends and loved ones...I took it that the text didn't read in a way that she would normally text.

P.S. Sorry for all the posts.

fhc
02-14-2011, 06:04 PM
The jibberish text...I think most people know the texting style of their friends and loved ones...I took it that the text didn't read in a way that she would normally text.

P.S. Sorry for all the posts.

Please keep them coming. Your local insight is invaluable! :)

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 06:08 PM
Please keep them coming. Your local insight is invaluable! :)

THank you! "Things like this" just don't happen around here...too weird..I'm going to make dinner, watch the local news, and I will be back later with what they have to say.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 06:22 PM
From Colonial Arms to Rte 33:

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad355/xednib/ScreenHunter_03Feb141718.jpg

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 06:38 PM
What could possibly be the reason for texting the ex anyway?? They would have to KNOW that he was the ex, first of all. Second, it isn't likely that the ex was her last contact since her mother said that she txted her daughter several times that night....so, if they were just randomly texting someone or 'butt texting' or something, it would most likely be to the last person she contacted. I just can't see any reason for the call to the ex unless this was:
1. the ex setting up an alibi
2. someone who is harming Tiffany to get back at the ex.
3. Tiffany trying to make contact with someone (though 911 would have obviously been the better number to dial).
Other ideas??

I agree...I want to know what was said in the text. Curioushousewife, interestingly, the ex isn't the best speller in the world.....and he doesn't have a job according to his FB page. Hope he has a great alibi. MOO.

Unless this was a stranger and Tiffany said her husband was expecting her or something to try to get the person to let her go. The person may have sent the text to throw the husband (ex) off.

Wasn't the theorized what happened in the other Ohio case in reference to the odd "I fed the dog text" That she may have said my husband will be home any minute to feed the dog.

IIRC, there were similar phone text incidents in the Donna Jou and Channon Christian cases.

SuziQ
02-14-2011, 06:39 PM
The jibberish text...I think most people know the texting style of their friends and loved ones...I took it that the text didn't read in a way that she would normally text.

P.S. Sorry for all the posts.

We welcome posts and keep posting. And welcome to WS!

fhc
02-14-2011, 07:05 PM
http://www.examiner.org/

Tiffany Brown's disappearance will be a focus of America's Missing with Nancy Grace at 8 p.m. tonight on CNN Headline News, Ch. 31 on Cobridge Cable. The host talks live with the Bellefontaine Examiner's Joel Mast between 8:30 and 9 p.m.

SurfieTX
02-14-2011, 07:12 PM
My take on the texting aspect is that normally she would text out "you" "be" "too/to," etc. Some people who text use, "u" "b" "2," respectively..and perhaps other acronyms that she normally would never use. It could also be grammatical, "Where u b?" Instead of "Where are you?"

I agree with the other posters that it is a style issue (at least when texting) that led the parents to think it was someone else doing the texting in an "illiterate" way.

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 07:18 PM
I do not know her personally, though we live in the same town and have mutual friends. Haven't read all the posts, so not sure what every one knows.

When they found her car, her keys were still in it. They are processing her car as i type.

As far as the text/call to her ex, it could have been her way of letting someone know she was still alive, and giving police a chance to track her cell

All n all, this case is baffling everyone. Her car was found in bellefontaine, yet her cell was traced to about 3 miles north of kenton.

Please everyone, keep Tiffany in your prayers! We are all hoping to bring her home safely to her babies and friends and family, and ots not looking so great right now, police arent coming up with any leads or anything

SurfieTX
02-14-2011, 07:27 PM
Welcome, TMRose!

Has it been said how her car was found and/or who reported it to LE?

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 07:32 PM
Her car was found at an apartment complex in our hometown. It is reported that her keys were still inside the car when it was found. The car is currently being processed.

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 07:33 PM
I have not heard anything about how they found her car or who reported it. But Channel 10 news was on the scene, you can find info on their website.

angela
02-14-2011, 07:40 PM
The jibberish text...I think most people know the texting style of their friends and loved ones...I took it that the text didn't read in a way that she would normally text.

P.S. Sorry for all the posts.
You only have 7 posts. Hopefully you will stay with Websleuths long enough to have 7777! Thank you for all the info you are providing.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 07:50 PM
Here's the link to the Channel 10 news article mentioned by tmrose43311.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/14/story-bellefontaine-missing-mom.html

nerosleuth
02-14-2011, 08:14 PM
Welcome to WebSleuths TMROSE43311 & WHATEVER1. It's great to have you here!

I watched the 6:00 P.M. WBNS-TV 10 news tonight. WBNS showed a video of the apartment complex where Tiffany's car was found today. The reporter did say that her car was found and her keys were in the car. It didn't say how or who found her car at the apartment complex. The reporter did say that Tiffany is still missing.

Bellefontaine is an hour's drive northwest of Columbus and an hour's drive northeast of Dayton.

Whatever1
02-14-2011, 08:38 PM
TMRose,

I'm so sorry to hear about Tiffany and how the people of Bellefontaine must be feeling right now. I'm from a town close to Belle. and my town is much similar to yours - things like this just do not happen. Big time crime is almost unheard of, and when it does happen, that's all people can focus on. We are used to feeling relatively safe all the time.

I was wondering....do you find it odd that it took three days for her car to turn up; especially b/c it was located right in your town. I find that to be a bit disturbing b/c I know that this has probably been the talk of the town or the only talk of the town for three days. Is it possible someone could have brought the car back? I dont' know...just seems weird to me.

It is quite impressive that LE is handling this the way they are and not just dismissing it as a young adult who just left town...thank God for that.

The cell phone tower is interesting to me b/c people said towers are all over, when in fact one of our major carriers has there tower 10 miles from where we live and most people that I know have them.

Where exactly is PNC located? Was it a different bank at one time? I wonder if they have looked over there security tapes or tapes that might be at other places nearby.

Last question, is there any talk in town of what people think "might" of happened. I'm sure it's interested to hear what friends of friends are thinking etc.

I'm done babbling now, but I'm so glad she is getting attention considering she's from a small town. I saw the pics of her little boys on her myspace, and they are so cute. I feel so badly for them. :(

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 09:22 PM
No one has any idea what has happened to her. I find it odd that her car suddenly showed up after 3 days. The family has asked people not to share any information that has not yet been disclosed. As far as the cell phone tower, all i know is that they traced her cell to a tower about 3 miles north of Kenton, and that that tower only has a 4.5 mi radius. They have searched bellefontaine, kenton, west liberty, belle center, all the surrounding areas, but so far have come up with nothing. Last i knew they hadn't yet accessed the security tapes.

But as I said, no one has ANY idea. We are all completely baffled. And other than her car and the cell phone being traced that one time, as far as i know they havent come up with ANY clues.

This is the thing about small towns. Someone knows everyone and everyone knows someone. Even if u dont know the person involved, you know at least one person who does. Doesnt matter if u know the person or not, in a town this small, something like this affects everyone. There were fliers all over town within 24 hrs of her disappearance.

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 09:24 PM
PNC Bank is on the corner of Main and Chillicothe. t was a different bank up till about a yr or so ago, i jusgt dont remember which bank exactly.

nursebeeme
02-14-2011, 09:30 PM
welcome tmrose!

does her family know how to get her story out to the media? are they receiving some help?

prayers to all of you...

tmrose43311
02-14-2011, 10:03 PM
Her story has been on all of the local papers, as well as Channel 10 and Channel 2 news, and was on Nancy Grace's Missing America (?) tonight at 8. As well as being all over facebook and other social networking sites.

truthsleuth
02-14-2011, 10:29 PM
PNC Bank is on the corner of Main and Chillicothe. t was a different bank up till about a yr or so ago, i jusgt dont remember which bank exactly.

It was formerly called National City Bank.

cluciano63
02-14-2011, 11:30 PM
It must have been a very brief mention on NG, I watched both hours and did not catch it...but was doing other things.

Fairy1
02-14-2011, 11:43 PM
Just trying to catch up here.

I assume LE knows if the deposits were completed and if any withdrawals were made with Tiffany's or her mother's PIN?

If her cell phone was in her possession, IDK why she would send a kooky message to her ex rather than call 911. I don't think it was her.

Anyone know how her ex'es name appears on her cell? I mean, I have "pet" names for most of my family on my phone. Most folks probably wouldn't know who is who on from my contacts list. Maybe he was an ICE?

I hope Tiffany is ok, but it sure doesn't look good right now. :(

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 12:16 AM
Just trying to catch up here.

I assume LE knows if the deposits were completed and if any withdrawals were made with Tiffany's or her mother's PIN?

If her cell phone was in her possession, IDK why she would send a kooky message to her ex rather than call 911. I don't think it was her.

Anyone know how her ex'es name appears on her cell? I mean, I have "pet" names for most of my family on my phone. Most folks probably wouldn't know who is who on from my contacts list. Maybe he was a ICE?

I hope Tiffany is ok, but it sure doesn't look good right now. :(

I agree doesn't look good. Also, I read on another site from a friend of hers that they do have her on video at the bank. I have no idea if that's true or not.

How does one do that thank you thingy? That's cute.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 12:22 AM
I agree doesn't look good. Also, I read on another site from a friend of hers that they do have her on video at the bank. I have no idea if that's true or not.

How does one do that thank you thingy? That's cute.

You mean how do you thank another poster? Bottom right-hand corner of the post you want to put your thank-you on has a few symbols. First is "Quote" in a blue circle. Second is "Thanks" in a blue circle. Press the Thanks button.

Fairy1
02-15-2011, 12:28 AM
You mean how do you thank another poster? Bottom right-hand corner of the post you want to put your thank-you on has a few symbols. First is "Quote" in a blue circle. Second is "Thanks" in a blue circle. Press the Thanks button.

i think she meant the :(

Sent her a PM on the smilies.

Where is Tiffany?

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 12:47 AM
You mean how do you thank another poster? Bottom right-hand corner of the post you want to put your thank-you on has a few symbols. First is "Quote" in a blue circle. Second is "Thanks" in a blue circle. Press the Thanks button.


I can't find the thanks button..I don't see it..but I wanted to thank you for your maps.


I pray that she is just a runaway, but I don't think this looks good.

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 12:51 AM
I can't find the thanks button..I don't see it..but I wanted to thank you for your maps.


I pray that she is just a runaway, but I don't think this looks good.

Just found the thanks button!

Tonight on our 11:00 news they were supposed to talk with the family more in depth than they did the 6:00 news.


By the way, how do they know the text she received was jibberish...do they have her phone or did she have it...I think I missed something.

Fairy1
02-15-2011, 01:01 AM
Just found the thanks button!

Tonight on our 11:00 news they were supposed to talk with the family more in depth than they did the 6:00 news.


By the way, how do they know the text she received was jibberish...do they have her phone or did she have it...I think I missed something.

They don't need the phone - just the phone records. And I assume the ex provided LE with the info. Same with the cell phone pings.

LE is moving fast on this case.

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 01:07 AM
They don't need the phone - just the phone records. And I assume the ex provided LE with the info. Same with the cell phone pings.

LE is moving fast on this case.



Ohh...the ex got the text..ok..and yes, I'm impressed with LE...I still just find it hard to believe her car was sitting in that exact parking lot for three days.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 01:24 AM
I dont know if they got videos from the bank or not, i believe they are trying to keep some info from the public for fear of the wrong person hearing it. But i am keeping tabs with her best friend who is working with her family, and i havent heard anything. I know her family has offered a $5,000 reward for her safe return. I am in the process of printing out fresh fliers for them to distribute tomorrow.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 01:51 AM
I can't find the thanks button..I don't see it..but I wanted to thank you for your maps.

I pray that she is just a runaway, but I don't think this looks good.

You're welcome for the maps.

I don't think this is going to have a good ending. I'm not feeling good about it at all.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 02:14 AM
Honestly, I dont think its going to have a good ending either. Normally, they'll have come up with at least clues or leads or something by now. For this particular case, they got nothing. Im not much of a praying person, but right now i am praying my heart out that we can find Tiffany B (i say B bc my name is Tiffany as well) and bring her home to her kids, and those who love her.

I am terrified that this will end badly, but i also know that us B*Town Ppl wont give up till we bring her home! An i will print out a million and one fliers if thats what it takes.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 03:09 AM
Honestly, I dont think its going to have a good ending either. Normally, they'll have come up with at least clues or leads or something by now. For this particular case, they got nothing. Im not much of a praying person, but right now i am praying my heart out that we can find Tiffany B (i say B bc my name is Tiffany as well) and bring her home to her kids, and those who love her.

I am terrified that this will end badly, but i also know that us B*Town Ppl wont give up till we bring her home! An i will print out a million and one fliers if thats what it takes.

You're doing a wonderful thing in helping Tiffany's family with the fliers. Whatever way this turns out, you will always feel good in knowing that contributed to helping find out what happened to Tiffany. You're doing a good thing.

Have a good night; sleep tight.

nursebeeme
02-15-2011, 08:51 AM
ABC6/FOX28 News' Meghan McCorkell has learned Brown was dropping off a deposit at the bank for her mother. Then she was running to Western Union to wire money to a cousin.

Brown made it to the bank, but never showed up at Western Union.

On Monday, her Honda Civic was found at the Colonial Arms Apartments. Her keys were inside the car and the driver's seat was pushed back for a much taller person.

http://www.abc6onyourside.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wsyx_vid_9279.shtml

in the video at this link family says that Tiffany does know someone at the apartments but they claim to have never seen her

nursebeeme
02-15-2011, 09:04 AM
The search for a missing 26-year-old single mother of two continues, but on Monday Bellefontaine police recovered the missing woman's car at an apartment complex in town.
According to Brown's father, a woman made the discovery and called police. Larry Brown said his daughter's vehicle was missing a very distinctive bumper sticker that's yellow and reads "Look out for motorcycles." He said the vehicle's keys were still in the ignition

http://www.whiotv.com/news/26852261/detail.html


soooo... seat slid way back and distinguishing bumper sticker missing.... oh my....

CuriousHousewife
02-15-2011, 09:27 AM
his daughter's vehicle was missing a very distinctive bumper sticker that's yellow and reads "Look out for motorcycles."

http://www.whiotv.com/news/26852261/detail.html

soooo... seat slid way back and distinguishing bumper sticker missing.... oh my....

To me, this snippet speaks volumes. Someone went to the trouble (and it can be a real PITA) to remove the bumper sticker. Sounds like crime cover up.

SurfieTX
02-15-2011, 09:38 AM
I wonder which Western Union she was using. Locals?

http://local.westernunion.com/locator/Bellefontaine_Ohio_USA_1_result.html

curiousc
02-15-2011, 10:09 AM
ABC6/FOX28 News' Meghan McCorkell has learned Brown was dropping off a deposit at the bank for her mother. Then she was running to Western Union to wire money to a cousin.

Brown made it to the bank, but never showed up at Western Union.

On Monday, her Honda Civic was found at the Colonial Arms Apartments. Her keys were inside the car and the driver's seat was pushed back for a much taller person.

http://www.abc6onyourside.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wsyx_vid_9279.shtml

in the video at this link family says that Tiffany does know someone at the apartments but they claim to have never seen her

So someone drove her car to an apartment complex where she knew someone. Who was this someone? A female or a male?

I was looking at the apartments in the video and I thought it would be a bigger building and a number of cars in the parking lot. Surprising this person didn't see Tiffany's car that had been parked there for 3 days. I guess with the bumper sticker off it would make it less recognizable.

Is someone setting this person up?

Praying for Tiffany.

swanniee11
02-15-2011, 10:48 AM
Do we know how much $ was being transferred to the cousin? Who else knew she would have cash? Did she go inside the bank to make the deposit or a drive thru window. Someone could have followed her from inside the bank.

curiousc
02-15-2011, 10:53 AM
This just doesn't sound like a random stranger did this. I have a feeling it's someone Tiffany knows.

swanniee11
02-15-2011, 10:56 AM
This just doesn't sound like a random stranger did this. I have a feeling it's someone Tiffany knows.


I agree 100% since they found the car at an apt that she knew someone who lived there I'm just opening to possibilities.

SurfieTX
02-15-2011, 11:01 AM
It was mentioned that she just received her tax return. When researching the Western Union locations, I noticed that 2 of them were at those "quick cash" places (like Cash America, etc.). I'm pretty sure they cash tax return checks.

I wonder if she went there to cash her tax return and wire some money to her cousin. Some of these places don't attract the "nicest" people on earth (MOO - based on personal experience). Could she have met up with foul play near the Western Union location?

In any event, the car was left at the apartment with the keys still in it, which tells me that whomever was driving the car didn't care about it and did not plan on using it again. The taking of the bumpersticker was to keep it under the radar for a bit.

Certainly, someone in the apartment complex saw something. I really hope so, for Tiffany and her family. :(

WaitOneMinute
02-15-2011, 11:17 AM
I thought they said she was going to Kroger after the bank? Kroger does Western Union at the Service desk.

SurfieTX
02-15-2011, 11:24 AM
“The vehicle was processed and detective are investigating,” said Birt.

He declined to say what police found inside the vehicle.

Investigators don’t yet believe that Brown was an acquaintance of anyone living in the complex where the vehicle was found, Birt said."

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/missing-bellefontaine-womans-car-found-1082026.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 11:25 AM
I wonder which Western Union she was using. Locals?

http://local.westernunion.com/locator/Bellefontaine_Ohio_USA_1_result.html

I'm not local, but the PNC Bank she went to is at 145 S. Main and the nearest Western Union location is at the RiteAid at 230 S. Main street. The next closest is at 541 S. Main.

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 11:38 AM
I wonder which Western Union she was using. Locals?

http://local.westernunion.com/locator/Bellefontaine_Ohio_USA_1_result.html



I was wondering the same thing. I'm wondering if Kroger's in Belle. has a Western Union..didn't it say somewhere she was headed to Kroger's as one of her errands..I could have that completely wrong. My guess is Belle. would not have a lot of Western Unions.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 12:00 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I'm wondering if Kroger's in Belle. has a Western Union..didn't it say somewhere she was headed to Kroger's as one of her errands..I could have that completely wrong. My guess is Belle. would not have a lot of Western Unions.

It has been reported in several places that Tiffany never made it to Kroger's, though I'm not sure what LE is basing that on.

In Bellefontaine there are 10 Western Union locations. Not 10 standalone locations, but 10 Western Union concessions if you will within other stores and in banks. The stores include RiteAid, Family Dollar store, Kroger's, etc. The banks in Bellefontaine providing Western Union Service include Fifth Third Bank and WoodForest National Bank.

But most of these points are moot, since, as nurse beeme reported in post #87, above,


ABC6/FOX28 News' Meghan McCorkell has learned Brown was dropping off a deposit at the bank for her mother. Then she was running to Western Union to wire money to a cousin.

Brown made it to the bank, but never showed up at Western Union.

It's been reported she never made it to Kroger's either. So something must have happened immediately after leaving PNC Bank. No report of her anywhere after that. JMHO.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 01:27 PM
In the video you only see one building of colonial arms, but they have more buildings/parking back away from the road. Its not a "big" complex but its a couple of buildings at least.

Family and friends believe that it was someone who knew her to, which is why they arent disclosing much information anymore. If it is someone who knows her, then they could be here watchin our everymove, and we dont want to do, sazy or release any info that could cause them to freak out and act harshly.

As far as western union, that could be anywhere in this town. we have several. Walmart, Kroger, and fulmers i know for sure each have one.

huskiki
02-15-2011, 01:36 PM
Not sure if this has been posted or not.

"Neeley said someone used Tiffany’s cell phone Saturday morning between 6:30 and 8:30.

The call was traced to a tower north of Kenton.

The call was made to the father of Brown’s sons, Brian Heitman, of Cincinnati."

http://www.peakofohio.com/viewNews.php?storyID=3051

nursebeeme
02-15-2011, 02:27 PM
Authorities were examining phone records on Tuesday as part of the investigation into a Logan County woman who vanished last week.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/15/story-bellefontaine-missing-woman.html?sid=102

KaylynnCouture
02-15-2011, 02:48 PM
I'm a complete idiot. I misread the title thinking Tiffany was 11 (instead of disappeared on the 11th) so I just read through the entire post thinking this was an 11 year old we're talking about..and I was ridiculously confused. Wow. Just wanted to share my blonde moment with everyone.

Now that I'm on the right track.. I really hope Tiffany is found soon. I'm glad the police seem to be taking this seriously.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 03:06 PM
I'm a complete idiot. I misread the title thinking Tiffany was 11 (instead of disappeared on the 11th) so I just read through the entire post thinking this was an 11 year old we're talking about..and I was ridiculously confused. Wow. Just wanted to share my blonde moment with everyone.

Now that I'm on the right track.. I really hope Tiffany is found soon. I'm glad the police seem to be taking this seriously.


Ha-ha. I've had a number of red-hair moments of late. http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/redhair.gif (http://www.millan.net) You blondes seem to be spreading this "moment" stuff around! :)

The police seem to have a good hold on all areas of the investigation, which is encouraging. I do wish though they'd tell us more.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 04:42 PM
They arent telling us much anymore bc the family thinks someone she knows is responsible for her disappearance and if that is the case then they could be watchin every move the cops make, and if they find out that the cops nko something that they dont want known, they could act harshly, to put it simply

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 04:45 PM
In my opinion, the cops aren't doing enough. They should be combing every inch of Logan county, every creek, woods and field. They should have search parties going 24/7.

Whatever1
02-15-2011, 04:53 PM
Did anyone contact the search group out of Columbus? I forget what they are called - that would probably be the closest one to Bellefontaine.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 04:57 PM
IDK, I know family and friends were gonna form a search group, but so far i havent heard anything

huskiki
02-15-2011, 04:59 PM
In my opinion, the cops aren't doing enough. They should be combing every inch of Logan county, every creek, woods and field. They should have search parties going 24/7.

Maybe there's a reason they aren't out searching. Maybe they're working closely with the family. If the family believes someone Tiffany knows could be responsible there could also be evidence backing it up. LE could be working an angle that we don't have information on. With that being said ...I would still prefer to hear about a search effort from either LE, friends, family, the community ...anyone!

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 05:23 PM
Maybe there's a reason they aren't out searching. Maybe they're working closely with the family. If the family believes someone Tiffany knows could be responsible there could also be evidence backing it up. LE could be working an angle that we don't have information on. With that being said ...I would still prefer to hear about a search effort from either LE, friends, family, the community ...anyone!

I agree. I think LE knows far more than we do, and that is possibly the reason we do not hear of searches. But that does not excuse family, friends, and the community from conducting their own searches. Where is everyone, and why hasn't something been organized?

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 05:36 PM
Idk..The one who has been keeping me updated hasnt said anything about it today, and my neighbor jus called and said that Fox 28 news is in town, by the police station..

huskiki
02-15-2011, 07:54 PM
I agree. I think LE knows far more than we do, and that is possibly the reason we do not hear of searches. But that does not excuse family, friends, and the community from conducting their own searches. Where is everyone, and why hasn't something been organized?

It's strange and one thing I never understand, some missing people generate hundreds of people for searches and others can barely pull together a team of ten.

O/T ...I'm along the Hudson to :bananapowerslide:

WillenFan21
02-15-2011, 09:35 PM
Nancy is talking about Tiffany tonight.

trigger
02-15-2011, 09:37 PM
NG is going to have Tiffany's case on in a few minutes..

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:38 PM
Tiffany's case on NG now; MK talking about who she was dating, anyone on internet, anyone in her past, etc.
She did make the deposit; went to pick up boys before going to Western Union and left them with sitter, texted friend that she was going to Chucky cheese for pizza, at 11:30PM sitter called Tiffany's mother to say she still was not home.
Mother was not really concerned at 11:30PM, she took the boys was not really concerned or alarmed. (?)

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:40 PM
Reported missing the next day (Saturday)
Phone was turned on between 6:30-8:30AM and a call was made to Chicago, her family said she does not know anyone there
A text was sent from phone at 6:46AM to the father of the boys.

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:45 PM
Boys' father lives about 2 hours away
Police not saying if they spoke to him

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:48 PM
MK thinks forensic evidence in the car might be important if the texter was not too bright, has no idea about the bumper sticker being taken off

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:50 PM
Car found in a 6-unit complex; one man said he did not know her but it turned out he did (?)
Her mom did not know of anyone she knew there

FifthEssence
02-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Police questioned a male that lives in the APT Complex where auto found - 6 units that are duplexes.

Man says he didn't know her but turns out he did. ( said by Eli J-show producer)

Yet the mother says, she didn't know anyone at the apt.

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Local reporter said LE taking the care v. seriously, but not saying a lot about what they finding out.

trigger
02-15-2011, 09:52 PM
Heartbreaking hearing her mother talked about her daughters two boys, who are questioning where their mother is.

I wonder if she gave someone she knew a ride?

I have a feeling she will be found and the person , suspect will be caught.

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Seems to be someone she knew, according to a former LE. Keep following leads of people close to her.
That's it for the show.

FifthEssence
02-15-2011, 09:55 PM
let's hope police are checking the cell pings.

Wonder WHO the telephone # belongs to in Chicago? Could someone be that dumb to call a buddy with a stolen cell as Mother said Tifanny doesn't know anyone in Chicago.

Mother also noted the morning TEXT was written by an illiterate/not too bright person in her opinion. Said daughter does not write like that.

She told babysitter not to feed the children, she was going to pick something up.

She texted a gf and said she was stopping at Chuckie Cheese to pick up pizza. No time given for that text, so we know she had all intention of returning home quickly as planned and relayed to the babysitter.

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 09:58 PM
Whoever texted, clearly knows her ex, since the text was to him. That is pretty startling.

FifthEssence
02-15-2011, 10:05 PM
Whoever texted, clearly knows her ex, since the text was to him. That is pretty startling.

Wonder what the 6:46AM text said that next morning?

katydid23
02-15-2011, 10:24 PM
Whoever texted, clearly knows her ex, since the text was to him. That is pretty startling.

That is odd. Maybe she picked up one of his friends to give them a ride somewhere and he robbed her. She apparently still had the $ that was supposed to be sent to her cousin by Western Union.

I am also wondering why her mother kept saying that she wasn'[t concerned at midnight when she never returned home. Seems rteally weird. She tells her young boys not to eat dinner cuz she is bringing htme pizza---and she never returns. Wouldn't that be cause for alarm?

curiousc
02-15-2011, 10:29 PM
Whoever texted, clearly knows her ex, since the text was to him. That is pretty startling.

Unless it is the ex that text that message from Tiffany's phone to his.

Was perhaps Tiffany dating the male in that apartment complex that the mom had no idea about?

ETA: I do see the ex lives 2 hours away. Wonder if his alibi fits?

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 10:40 PM
I couldn't understand why her mom said she wasn't concerned at 11:30pm either...that was not clear and NG tried to follow up on that but it got garbled with people talking over each other, I think.

When I heard the text went to the ex/father of boys, I was thinking someone was letting him know it was "done." But it would be pretty dumb to use her phone. And at one point NG had on the screen that the father of the boys was not in their lives, or in Tiffany's life, but the mom said they (Tiffany and ex) were in touch sometimes, so not sure which is true.

trigger
02-15-2011, 10:49 PM
I couldn't understand why her mom said she wasn't concerned at 11:30pm either...that was not clear and NG tried to follow up on that but it got garbled with people talking over each other, I think.

When I heard the text went to the ex/father of boys, I was thinking someone was letting him know it was "done." But it would be pretty dumb to use her phone. And at one point NG had on the screen that the father of the boys was not in their lives, or in Tiffany's life, but the mom said they (Tiffany and ex) were in touch sometimes, so not sure which is true.


I also thought it was strange her mom wasn't concern that her daughter did not call her, then says she thought Tiffany went to the boys fathers to pick him up.

tmrose43311
02-15-2011, 10:52 PM
From what I have heard from a source close to the family, they have checked out the ex/father and have cleared him.

No one is really telling anymore information thats not being put on the news/in papers because if the person responsible is in fact someone she knows they dont want him/her knowing what they know and dont know.

bdawk20
02-15-2011, 10:54 PM
I couldn't understand why her mom said she wasn't concerned at 11:30pm either...that was not clear and NG tried to follow up on that but it got garbled with people talking over each other, I think.

When I heard the text went to the ex/father of boys, I was thinking someone was letting him know it was "done." But it would be pretty dumb to use her phone. And at one point NG had on the screen that the father of the boys was not in their lives, or in Tiffany's life, but the mom said they (Tiffany and ex) were in touch sometimes, so not sure which is true.

Did her mom say they left the boys overnight with the sitter? I swore she said that but I don't quite get it.....
Did they say how far away she lived from her parents?

trigger
02-15-2011, 11:04 PM
Did her mom say they left the boys overnight with the sitter? I swore she said that but I don't quite get it.....
Did they say how far away she lived from her parents?


Waiting for the transcripts from the show but I thought mom said she went and picked up the boys.

Her family is offering a $5,000 reward for information that helps locate Ms. Brown.

:praying: Praying she is found safe.

cluciano63
02-15-2011, 11:17 PM
Yes, mom got the boys after babysitter called, I guess she lives nearby as she owns the beauty salon where Tiffany was taking the money from to make the bank deposit.

truthsleuth
02-15-2011, 11:51 PM
It's strange and one thing I never understand, some missing people generate hundreds of people for searches and others can barely pull together a team of ten. Very odd.

O/T ...I'm along the Hudson to :bananapowerslide:

I agree there's a large disparity in search party sizes, but here, in this case, no one seems to be out looking for the missing person. And I don't think it's that they're not interested.

The mighty Hudson. We're practically next-door neighbors. It's a great place except for all this traffic, high taxes, high cost of living, and dense population. But other than that ... I love it! :)

WillenFan21
02-16-2011, 01:39 AM
I couldn't understand why her mom said she wasn't concerned at 11:30pm either...that was not clear and NG tried to follow up on that but it got garbled with people talking over each other, I think.

When I heard the text went to the ex/father of boys, I was thinking someone was letting him know it was "done." But it would be pretty dumb to use her phone. And at one point NG had on the screen that the father of the boys was not in their lives, or in Tiffany's life, but the mom said they (Tiffany and ex) were in touch sometimes, so not sure which is true.

BBM

It sounds like the mother had no idea about her being gone that long and that the babysitter didn't get a hold of the mother until later that night.

cluciano63
02-16-2011, 01:48 AM
BBM

It sounds like the mother had no idea about her being gone that long and that the babysitter didn't get a hold of the mother until later that night.

What she said was when she learned that her daughter had not come home by 11:30, she wasn't really concerned and they did not report her missing until the next day.

curiousc
02-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Do her boys have different fathers? Tiffany's mom said "that she might have gone down and picked up the baby's father."

ETA: Ok the ex is the father of both. Did Tiffany ever drive two hours to pick up the father? I just don't know why her mom made that comment.

cluciano63
02-16-2011, 02:40 AM
Do her boys have different fathers? Tiffany's mom said "that she might have gone down and picked up the baby's father."

I caught that too and since the one lives two hours away in Cincinnati (the one who was sent the text) I think they must have different fathers, as she did not seem to have any plan to go two hours away.

curiousc
02-16-2011, 02:51 AM
I caught that too and since the one lives two hours away in Cincinnati (the one who was sent the text) I think they must have different fathers, as she did not seem to have any plan to go two hours away.

Strange, isn't it? I wonder if Tiffany's mom just didn't correct some of the details on the show?

Also strange is that the male in the apartment complex says he didn't know Tiffany then said he did.

truthsleuth
02-16-2011, 11:29 AM
Strange, isn't it? I wonder if Tiffany's mom just didn't correct some of the details on the show?

Also strange is that the male in the apartment complex says he didn't know Tiffany then said he did.

It's a bit troubling and I've been trying to rationalize it a bit. So far, I can't. I suppose one could say he just didn't want to get involved, or was worried about being questioned by LE, but lying just makes him look like a suspect. We shall see.

curiousc
02-16-2011, 11:52 AM
It's a bit troubling and I've been trying to rationalize it a bit. So far, I can't. I suppose one could say he just didn't want to get involved, or was worried about being questioned by LE, but lying just makes him look like a suspect. We shall see.

The perp wasn't very smart. He used Tiffany's cell phone to call Chicago, is probably the one who sent the text message and then doesn't move the seat forward in the car. I think LE will find evidence of who is responsible.

If this guy is perhaps involved, her car is found in his parking lot.

They also said on NG that Tiffany went to school. I wonder if it could be someone she knew from there.

truthsleuth
02-16-2011, 12:13 PM
The perp wasn't very smart. He used Tiffany's cell phone to call Chicago, is probably the one who sent the text message and then doesn't move the seat forward in the car. I think LE will find evidence of who is responsible.

If this guy is perhaps involved, her car is found in his parking lot.

They also said on NG that Tiffany went to school. I wonder if it could be someone she knew from there.

I definitely agree. Not the brightest. The fact that he left the seat pushed back makes me wonder the height of this guy who first said "I don't know her" and later switched to the fact that he did know her. I also wonder if the perp's fingerprints are on the lever to push the seat back.

Perhaps the reason we haven't heard of searches for Tiffany is that LE has already centered in on this guy. We might have an answer to what happened to her far sooner than we originally thought.

curiousc
02-16-2011, 01:29 PM
I definitely agree. Not the brightest. The fact that he left the seat pushed back makes me wonder the height of this guy who first said "I don't know her" and later switched to the fact that he did know her. I also wonder if the perp's fingerprints are on the lever to push the seat back.

Perhaps the reason we haven't heard of searches for Tiffany is that LE has already centered in on this guy. We might have an answer to what happened to her far sooner than we originally thought.

I do think that no word of searches does say a lot. LE was on this case from the get-go and then add in mistakes the perp made, I think they may have more info than we think.

Pretty sure that they may know who owns that number in Chicago and that person may just tell who it was that called. That's probably the biggest tip right there and perhaps LE knows exactly who called that number.

debloree
02-16-2011, 05:19 PM
http://www.examiner.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19033:message-from-missing-mothers-phone-detailed-&catid=34:local-news&Itemid=55

“Tiffany’s mom called me about 6 a.m. Saturday and told me that she’s been missing since Friday afternoon,” said Mr. Heitman. “That’s when I started texting and trying to call Tiffany.”

Mr. Heitman received one text message reply from Ms. Brown’s phone and he forwarded it to the Examiner. It reads: “INe e d time come get boysU

Bratislava
02-16-2011, 06:17 PM
http://www.examiner.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19033:message-from-missing-mothers-phone-detailed-&catid=34:local-news&Itemid=55

“Tiffany’s mom called me about 6 a.m. Saturday and told me that she’s been missing since Friday afternoon,” said Mr. Heitman. “That’s when I started texting and trying to call Tiffany.”

Mr. Heitman received one text message reply from Ms. Brown’s phone and he forwarded it to the Examiner. It reads: “INe e d time come get boysU

Hmmmm.... This article makes Mr. Heitman sound awfully fishy. Anyone else get the same vibe?

Amster
02-16-2011, 06:29 PM
http://www.examiner.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19033:message-from-missing-mothers-phone-detailed-&catid=34:local-news&Itemid=55

“Tiffany’s mom called me about 6 a.m. Saturday and told me that she’s been missing since Friday afternoon,” said Mr. Heitman. “That’s when I started texting and trying to call Tiffany.”

Mr. Heitman received one text message reply from Ms. Brown’s phone and he forwarded it to the Examiner. It reads: “INe e d time come get boysU

Just great....Mr. Heitman sounds like a real loser. :innocent:

That text message is scary and probably not from Tiffany unless she was forced to send it under duress. If not from her, then someone who knows she has 2 kids from Heitman sent it.

Has Tiffany done anything like this before? For mom not to be concerned, immediately and babysitter to wait for so many hours before contacting mom.....seems odd to me. Especially if Tiffany called and told the babysitter not to feed her kids, she was bringing pizza and then didn't do it?? Why was babysitter not frantic with worry?? Hink

Amster
02-16-2011, 06:38 PM
Really odd that nobody could get in touch with Tiffany until H started texting and calling....

SurfieTX
02-16-2011, 06:58 PM
Just great....Mr. Heitman sounds like a real loser. :innocent:

That text message is scary and probably not from Tiffany unless she was forced to send it under duress. If not from her, then someone who knows she has 2 kids from Heitman sent it.

Has Tiffany done anything like this before? For mom not to be concerned, immediately and babysitter to wait for so many hours before contacting mom.....seems odd to me. Especially if Tiffany called and told the babysitter not to feed her kids, she was bringing pizza and then didn't do it?? Why was babysitter not frantic with worry?? Hink

Devil's advocate: The babysitter could have put the kids in their rooms or her rooms to watch TV and they fell asleep waiting for mom and the pizza. Maybe she fell asleep as well? If they were good friends, perhaps the flag was at half mast at that point...concerned, but not to the point of calling the police just yet because it was a Friday night. By Saturday morning, the flag was all the way up the pole and mom called LE.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of the ex. He seems pretty forthcoming, but he has a not too great of a past..so..

Whatever1
02-16-2011, 07:38 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I guess the length of time that it took to report her missing doesn't surprise me. I'm sure when someone has they loved one go missing in this fashion, one doesn't automatically think, "Oh, goodness, someone must have kidnapped her." It seems normal to me that family members might try to talk themselves into other reasons for their loved one not showing up. At first family members might be more angry thinking how dare she not pick up her kids, did she do this or do that, is she here or there? They probably think in their heads, "If I call police and it's only been 3 hours since she was supposed to be home they are going to think I'm overreacting. I don't know, I guess I can see why family might not report something like this right away, no matter how out of character it may be for the person. Most of us will never know what we would do in the same situation, and hopefully, we will never have to know. Just a flip side of the coin...

curiousc
02-16-2011, 07:44 PM
Hmmmm.... This article makes Mr. Heitman sound awfully fishy. Anyone else get the same vibe?

Hate to say it, but I was a bit freaked out by his picture.

Anyhow, I really hope they have checked him out. His past with his last girlfriend doesn't sound too nice.

truthsleuth
02-16-2011, 07:58 PM
Really odd that nobody could get in touch with Tiffany until H started texting and calling....

Excellent observation, Amster.

I'd be watching Mr. Heitman pretty closely if I were LE.

mommy23
02-16-2011, 08:13 PM
Did the article state they had 2 kids together, a boy and a girl? Ages 2 and 3?? Or am I hallucianating? I am having comp issues with quoting....

truthsleuth
02-16-2011, 08:24 PM
Did the article state they had 2 kids together, a boy and a girl? Ages 2 and 3?? Or am I hallucianating? I am having comp issues with quoting....

My understanding was he had the two boys with Tiffany and a boy and a girl with the more recent girlfriend.

Teabiscuit
02-16-2011, 09:07 PM
I'm a newbie, but have been reading here for awhile. I love Nancy Grace and how she and her fans relentlessly seek justice. This Tiffany Brown case has me saddened. I snooped around at her exes Facebook. It's amazing how people can just post their personal lives in public like this. Maybe Tiffany did rekindle something with her ex and her mom slipped that out on NG the other night.

Here's the Facebook account of the ex:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001647906668&sk=wall

It's set to public view. Between Jan. 1st and Jan. 4th, lots of personal activity. Between those dates he first changes his relationship status from "in a relationship" to "in an open relationship." Then shortly thereafter, his page states: Brian is no longer listed as "in an open relationship." Then he becomes Facebook friends with "Tiffany Brown".

On January 29th he posts to a friend who has just broken up with someone "Brian Heitman: I got rida mine too finaly get at me heather or message me ur number we need to kick it asap
January 29 at 6:45am"

Someone is a morning person too. Hmmm. When did he break up with baby mama # 2, if at all? Is she the jealous type?

Fairy1
02-16-2011, 09:24 PM
Welcome Teabiscuit! So happy to see some new eyes here!

Oh yeah - the ex is definitely one, big walking red flag! And if he's involved in this somehow, he doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

The text message (such as it is)....who else would know to send him a message about his own boys? And who would be stoopid enough to do that when others had been trying to reach Tiffany for hours? Duh. I think he implicated himself right there.

And claiming he and Tiffany get along great? Ummmm, if that's not true, I'm sure plenty of people know all about it; starting with Tiffany's Mother.

Jeez. I'm betting LE is all over this. I hope Tiffany is found soon.

SuziQ
02-16-2011, 09:36 PM
Pure speculation.....
I wonder if Brian asked to pick up the boys or something on Saturday morning when he got a call from Tiffany's mom. She probably said no way Tiffany isn't here to approve that. Then suddenly a few minutes later he just happens to conveniently get the text from Tiffany telling him to get your boys. I wonder what his text verbage is like? Wonder where his phone was pinging Saturday Morning?

This case has me wondering alot. lol.

Teabiscuit
02-16-2011, 09:52 PM
Thank you. As a mother, that text message is chilling. He could have left his phone at home, 131 miles away, leaving it to ping away there and simply texted himself from her phone. Your phone is not necessarily proof of where you're physically at.

I got the impression that the phone was turned off and turned on briefly early the next morning. The girlfriend with the other two kids could probably figure out who he was by searching Tiffany's phone. But unless she was 6 feet tall, that wouldn't explain who was driving Tiffany's car.

Maybe they both robbed her of her tax return. My brother lets his ex-wife claim all of his children on her tax return because it computes out better. Then she shares it with him, as they are on good terms. (And he pays child support.)

This is just every parents nightmare. 9 times out of 10, you're killed by someone you know, making them more a threat to your person than a stranger.

My prayers for the best outcome to Tiffany and her dear babies.

Fairy1
02-16-2011, 10:01 PM
If someone she knew took Tiffany, they had to have known where she was planning to go that day. I wonder if she would have told her ex that she was going to the bank and WU. And if she'd mentioned she received her tax refund?

Whatever1
02-16-2011, 10:33 PM
I think I'm missing something....I finally watched NG from last night, and this is what confused me...anyone else?

I was under the assumption she left to run errands when she dropped the kids off...hence the bank deposit and what was supposed to be Western Union transaction, and it was after the bank deposit that there was no more "activity."

On Nancy Grace the mother said...she made bank deposit, then picked up kids at daycare, and THEN went the babysitters, dropped the kids off and said I will be back in half an hour. Was it then she was going to Western Union or was that in the first leg of the day during the bank deposit and picking the kids up at daycare.

Let's suppose she did bank deposit, picked kids up from daycare, and then told the babysitter she would be back in a half hour. Is it possible she had other plans in the half hour then the western union...such as a quick meet up with someone.

Also, her mother thought she was going to pick up the boyfriend? Did she mean her boyfriend or the mother's boyfriend bc they were supposed to go shopping for a VD gift.

I wonder if she went to meet someone real quick before she planned to take her kids for pizza, and then was supposed to meet mom's boyfriend for VD - that's what I got out of the conversation.

Did she let out to someone she got her tax return? This whole thing is baffling. If she didn't make it to Western Union after dropping the kids off, the bank deposit was done, and she was coming back for pizza...what were her plans for that "half hour" her mother said she told the babysitter she'd be gone.

I'm sure the tidbits of info. that the police do have that they are releasing can explain alot more...

Fairy1
02-16-2011, 10:44 PM
I think I'm missing something....I finally watched NG from last night, and this is what confused me...anyone else?

I was under the assumption she left to run errands when she dropped the kids off...hence the bank deposit and what was supposed to be Western Union transaction, and it was after the bank deposit that there was no more "activity."

On Nancy Grace the mother said...she made bank deposit, then picked up kids at daycare, and THEN went the babysitters, dropped the kids off and said I will be back in half an hour. Was it then she was going to Western Union or was that in the first leg of the day during the bank deposit and picking the kids up at daycare.

Let's suppose she did bank deposit, picked kids up from daycare, and then told the babysitter she would be back in a half hour. Is it possible she had other plans in the half hour then the western union...such as a quick meet up with someone.

Also, her mother thought she was going to pick up the boyfriend? Did she mean her boyfriend or the mother's boyfriend bc they were supposed to go shopping for a VD gift.

I wonder if she went to meet someone real quick before she planned to take her kids for pizza, and then was supposed to meet mom's boyfriend for VD - that's what I got out of the conversation.

Did she let out to someone she got her tax return? This whole thing is baffling. If she didn't make it to Western Union after dropping the kids off, the bank deposit was done, and she was coming back for pizza...what were her plans for that "half hour" her mother said she told the babysitter she'd be gone.

I'm sure the tidbits of info. that the police do have that they are releasing can explain alot more...

Hmmmm. Good questions. I don't watch NG - my last good nerve really isn't that good, KWIM?

Why would you pick up your kids from daycare, only to drop them off with a babysitter if you were just going to be gone for a short time? I would have taken my kids with me to run those errands and pick up pizza.

IDK, but I do believe LE knows a LOT more than we know and they're closing in.

cluciano63
02-16-2011, 10:53 PM
She did say she would bring back pizza...not to feed the boys, but also called a friend during that time to ask if she could meet her at Chuck E cheese, I think? It was very confusing.

Teabiscuit
02-16-2011, 11:00 PM
The timeline I picked up on was that she went to her mom's salon at 3:30 to make the bank deposit for the business. She was also supposed to Western Union some money to a cousin. She must have run out of time and had to pick the kids up from daycare. If you're late they charge you extra. She took the kids to a neighbor who babysits for her at 4:30, saying don't feed them, I'm getting a pizza. Texted a friend to meet her at Chuck E. Cheese, friend said they couldn't meet her....end of trail.

I heard the mom mention both on NG. Tiffany was supposed to meet the mom's boyfriend to help shop for a gift later that evening. Mom also said that she wasn't that worried, that maybe Tiffany drove to see the "baby's father".

She could have been going to a check cashing place with her tax return or going to go finish the Western Union transaction. Those can be shady places. I wouldn't take my kids there either. Or maybe she smoked pot. She's young. Wouldn't want to take my kids to my weed connection either. (Although I don't smoke the stuff and have no idea if Tiffany did either.) Does anyone know if she ever got her pizza order placed?

I sure hope they find her soon. Hang in there Tiffany!

cluciano63
02-16-2011, 11:06 PM
I'm really confused about the relationship with the ex...would she have gone to see him, without the kids and why did her mom think she might?

Teabiscuit
02-16-2011, 11:19 PM
The ex posted on his Facebook on Jan. 29th that he ended his relationship. Was that with baby momma # 2 or with Tiffany? This is just 3 weeks after adding Tiffany to his Facebook friends. Was this guy back in Tiffany's life on a romantic level? Valentine's Day approaching.....this ex or his girlfriend must be involved.

krista
02-16-2011, 11:27 PM
FWIW: Tiffany hasn't posted anything with BH (ex) on FB for several weeks. The one time she did post to his account, she was irritated that he would make a smarta** comment about her. She said that his comment wasn't necessary. Outside of that, they don't appear to have ANY recent FB contact. He hasn't seen the boys since October. He mentions them ONCE on FB since then. His most recent girlfriend, AG, is the one with the restraining order against him and the one he 'ended a relationship with' on FB. She is also the 'open relationship' he is talking about. She mentions on HER FB that he is controlling and that she is completely done with him, but just days before she mentions that he is wonderful for taking care of her while she is sick. I don't want to make TOO much of the earlier article trashing BH. While he clearly sounds like a loser, I don't really see him as a killer. The only possible way he is involved is if he hired someone to do this. As I stated earlier, he doesn't have a job and his last job was VERY short term as a bartender.....hardly enough to hire a hit man.
Originally, I thought he was the clear POI, but it just doesn't seem very likely. He would easily be tracked to Bellefontaine via his phone records...especially if he was calling and texting her. I thought it was VERY interesting that the real POI would text BH....above all other people....but now it makes sense if BH was calling and texting her repeatedly.

What really scares me is that the POI clearly knows about the boys and that he was the father. I think whoever has done this knows Tiffany very personally....which is really terrifying. I also wonder about that text....who wrote it. Is it Tiffany's POI with horrible handwriting or is it Tiffany, trying to alert her ex that she is in danger by changing her typical texting pattern/spelling.

krista
02-16-2011, 11:31 PM
Oh, was it stated WHO the person was in the apartment complex who 'knows' Tiffany?

I wonder if this is as nefarious as it sounds. Did he lie or is it something more like, "I don't know a Tiffany Brown" and then he later saw her photo and was reminded that he did know OF her.

tmrose43311
02-16-2011, 11:41 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this, but they finally realeased what the txt message to her boys' dad said.

""“Tiffany’s mom called me about 6 a.m. Saturday and told me that she’s been missing since Friday afternoon,” said Mr. Heitman, who lives in Milford on the eastern edge of Cincinnati-metro area. “That’s when I started texting and trying to call Tiffany.”

Mr. Heitman received one text message reply from Ms. Brown’s phone and he forwarded it to the Examiner. It reads: “INe e d time come get boysU.”

Mr. Heitman says he’s skeptical Ms. Brown authored the text message""

That is copied and pasted from the Examiner website, some people believe she had a nervous breakdown and took of, others believe she was kidnapped and made to look like she took off.


A mutual friend resorted to seeing a Psychic. This is what she had to say about that visit.

""SHE FEELS 100% POSITIVE TIFFANY IS ALIVE.

She was taken AGAINST her will.

There is a MAN involved.

She sees Tiffany Crying.

A description of a man was given.She feels its someone from her past that is involved in drugs.

She feels that she knows this man and that he may be attracted to her and shes not interested in him. And isnt fond of him.

She sees a period of 3-4 she dont know if its days, hours, weeks, months, but in 3-4 SOMETHING there will be BREAKING news.

She sees the police as doing an EXCELENT JOB!

She feels theres a head injury involved .

Tiff has had some warning this was going to happen (not exactly the day it happened but events leading to)

And she believes we ALL have to pray for Tiff's safety and protection!!

*theres some things she has told that im keeping quiet on, the main purpose to take from this is that she feels she IS alive and we all need to PRAY and release this all into gods hands and the detectives hands, for us worrying so much could be trapping/holding something from happening or being found.""

Whatever1
02-17-2011, 01:00 AM
...............

Ronso
02-17-2011, 01:06 AM
WSYX ABC 6 just posted this on facebook:

"News Alert: Bellefontaine PD issue BOLO for Sammy K. Littleton; concerning Tiffany Brown, 26-y.o. mother of 2 boys missing since last Friday."

debloree
02-17-2011, 01:08 AM
http://www.whiotv.com/news/26894428/detail.html



Police Identify Person Of Interest In Missing Mom Case
Updated: 11:29 pm EST February 16, 2011

BELLEFONTAINE, Ohio -- Bellefontaine Police have identified a person of interest in the Tiffany Brown case.

Officers put out an alert Wednesday night for Sammy K. Littleton. Police say he is not a suspect, just a person of interest they want to talk to.

Ronso
02-17-2011, 01:40 AM
Apparently the POI is her mother's live-in boyfriend.

Fairy1
02-17-2011, 01:47 AM
Wow. And he is now "missing?"

Whatever1
02-17-2011, 01:49 AM
I found a Sammy Littleton that is said to be 37.

As lived or lives in

Bellefontaine
Jackson Center
Russells Point
Lewistown


They are all close would make sense it's the same person..can't find a myspace or facebook though

debloree
02-17-2011, 01:51 AM
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/person-of-interest-identified-in-missing-mom-case-1083561.html?cxtype=ynews_rss


Police are interested in speaking with Sammy K. Littleton, 36, also of Bellefontaine in the disappearance of Tiffany Brown, Bellefontaine Sgt. Richard Herring said.

Whatever1
02-17-2011, 01:52 AM
Apparently the POI is her mother's live-in boyfriend.

Now that's great - that's what we've been speculating on another board...he looked older than 36 on TV.



By the way, did anyone catch what the text said...the jibberish text...I found it on another site and actually it looks like a very thought out text if you read.....they spelled Tiffany like this or something close....T!ff@ny

FifthEssence
02-17-2011, 01:54 AM
Apparently the POI is her mother's live-in boyfriend.

Where did you get that information? Have a link?

DairyGirl
02-17-2011, 01:55 AM
Thank you. As a mother, that text message is chilling. He could have left his phone at home, 131 miles away, leaving it to ping away there and simply texted himself from her phone. Your phone is not necessarily proof of where you're physically at.

I got the impression that the phone was turned off and turned on briefly early the next morning. The girlfriend with the other two kids could probably figure out who he was by searching Tiffany's phone. But unless she was 6 feet tall, that wouldn't explain who was driving Tiffany's car.

Maybe they both robbed her of her tax return. My brother lets his ex-wife claim all of his children on her tax return because it computes out better. Then she shares it with him, as they are on good terms. (And he pays child support.)

This is just every parents nightmare. 9 times out of 10, you're killed by someone you know, making them more a threat to your person than a stranger.

My prayers for the best outcome to Tiffany and her dear babies.

I don't have the article in front of me but didn't Tiffany's mom text him at 6 am before he got the text from Tiffany? He had to have his phone near him if he talked to her mom.

Ronso
02-17-2011, 01:57 AM
Here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/ABC6Columbus

It's under the latest post about Tiffany. Someone points out this is the live-in boyfriend of the mother. She uses first names so maybe she is close to the situation?

FifthEssence
02-17-2011, 02:04 AM
He's 36 yr old.
http://m.daytondailynews.com/dayton/db_101693/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=VXlrVmut&detailindex=0&pn=0&ps=4

He was arrested down in Miami on 2/27/07 for possession of drugs. One of the tabs for this arrest indicate OHIO addy.
http://24.123.64.170/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?16421661

Fairy1
02-17-2011, 02:09 AM
Does anyone know - has he been missing since Tiffany went missing?

debloree
02-17-2011, 02:14 AM
Does anyone know - has he been missing since Tiffany went missing?

I haven't seen anything about that yet.

Amster
02-17-2011, 02:17 AM
Seriously?? This is mom's live in boyfriend? The one on the news with her?

Fairy1
02-17-2011, 02:17 AM
I haven't seen anything about that yet.

Me neither, but they are saying they would like to speak to him. That tells me they haven't yet. Thinking that's because they can't find him!

Ronso
02-17-2011, 02:19 AM
Is there a link to a video with him in it, please? Thanks! :)

Ronso
02-17-2011, 02:20 AM
I'm guessing they don't know where he is since they issued a BOLO.

FifthEssence
02-17-2011, 02:28 AM
The only interview VIDEO I have a link for has the mother speaking about Tiffany. The man in the video is Tiffany's FATHER, Larry Brown and identified as such.
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/family-looks-for-missing-mother-of-two-

Ronso
02-17-2011, 02:49 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/bellefontaine-oh/TLRGGCGDLS95R4LV6

A forum topic about Sammy K. Littleton.

SuziQ
02-17-2011, 02:52 AM
Wow, I think there is a video of the POI at the beginning of this case. He's sitting with Tiffany's mom while she is talking to a reporter. I didn't see this one coming. Off to read and catch up.

ETA: Video is with Tiffany's dad, not the poi.

SuziQ
02-17-2011, 02:53 AM
Seriously?? This is mom's live in boyfriend? The one on the news with her?

So you saw it too? I was hoping I didn't imagine it.

Fairy1
02-17-2011, 03:02 AM
So you saw it too? I was hoping I didn't imagine it.

Can someone re-post the link?

SuziQ
02-17-2011, 03:16 AM
Can someone re-post the link?

FifthEssence posted the link a few posts above. I was completely wrong. It is Tiffany's father on the video.

cluciano63
02-17-2011, 03:20 AM
I wonder, if Tiffany was with this man, if her mother knew or suspected? And that is why she said she was not worried at 11:30 PM when the babysitter called...this is beyond strange...what could have happened...

Ronso
02-17-2011, 03:23 AM
I have very bad feelings about this case.... very bad feelings.

revampz
02-17-2011, 05:29 AM
sigh.....another live in boyfriend of the mother.

curiousc
02-17-2011, 08:56 AM
Wow, not what I expected. Hope they find him soon and I hope Tiffany is alive and ok!

asher1979
02-17-2011, 09:10 AM
Body found is believed to be missing Bellefontaine mother- http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/body-found-is-believed-to-be-missing-bellefontaine-mother-1083561.html

curiousc
02-17-2011, 09:14 AM
body found is believed to be missing bellefontaine mother- http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/body-found-is-believed-to-be-missing-bellefontaine-mother-1083561.html

omg!!!!!!!!

Ronso
02-17-2011, 09:16 AM
In the mother's basement????

What the hell is going on???
:sick:

curiousc
02-17-2011, 09:18 AM
Officers of the Bellefontaine Police Department investigating the disappearance of Tiffany L. Brown were re-interviewing the victim's mother and recognized an article of clothing that appeared to be blood-stained.

Were they interviewing and this piece of clothing was just out there or were they searching too?

Wow....to be found in the basement?!! Seriously, did mom know?

This is bizarre and awfully sad :(

curiousc
02-17-2011, 09:24 AM
More info has been added:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/body-found-is-believed-to-be-missing-bellefontaine-mother-1083561.html


Officers of the Bellefontaine Police Department investigating the disappearance of Tiffany L. Brown were re-interviewing the victim's mother and recognized an article of clothing that appeared to be blood-stained. Officers obtained a search warrant and during the course of a detailed search discovered Brown's body hidden in the basement.

The basement is an area primarily occupied by Samuel Littleton II, 32, who is described as the boyfriend of Brown's mother.

debloree
02-17-2011, 09:26 AM
Unbelievable! :banghead:

Patty G
02-17-2011, 09:27 AM
In her mother's residence? WTH?????

Whatever1
02-17-2011, 09:34 AM
Her poor little boys. :(

So sad...

hollye
02-17-2011, 09:42 AM
OMG! Does that mean that the mother possibly knew that her daughter was dead in her basement? Wow! Those poor babies!

curiousc
02-17-2011, 09:45 AM
OMG! Does that mean that the mother possibly knew that her daughter was dead in her basement? Wow! Those poor babies!

I thought perhaps she might until I read that the POI occupied the basement.

TripleA
02-17-2011, 09:46 AM
Okay, so this is just...Wow! I have no other words. I hope to God that the mother did not know and was not involved.

Patty G
02-17-2011, 09:51 AM
Officers of the Bellefontaine Police Department investigating the disappearance of Tiffany L. Brown were re-interviewing the victim's mother and recognized an article of clothing that appeared to be blood-stained.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/body-found-is-believed-to-be-missing-bellefontaine-mother-1083561.html

OK, so did Tiffany's mother NOT see this article of clothing that had some blood stains on it?

Tiffany's mother NEVER mentioned her BF on NG's Show the other night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/15/ng.02.html
Videos of NG's show on my YT channel.

I thought it was really odd when Nancy was questionning the mother that the mother was not concerned when she learned her daughter didn't come home especially since her daughter never did this before.

trigger
02-17-2011, 09:51 AM
OMG. This is totally unbelievable. So did she make it to her moms house to pickup her 2 babies? He killed her and drove her car to the apt complex?

I wonder why her mom did not see the bloodied clothes? Is she covering up for him?

Where are her boys? They probably were so scared when LE got the SW. Why didn't her mom just let them search without a SW?

This is another case we are so familiar with.

swanniee11
02-17-2011, 09:52 AM
I'm shocked. I pray the mother didn't know either. At what point would there have been an odor? Where is the laundry room in this house? Now I have serious questions. UGH. I feel so bad for those boys. They got a search warrant, I would think the mother would have allowed them to search without it but I guess if they were looking at this guys stuff, maybe they were crossing their T's dotting their I's so to speak. Very sad!

Daisyjane
02-17-2011, 09:52 AM
Anyone care to speculate on a motive??

swanniee11
02-17-2011, 09:54 AM
come to think of it, didn't Tiffany drop her mother off, then took the boys to the neighbors then ran errands? Am I remembering this right? So how did this guy get Tiffany into the mothers house dead or alive if the mother was there? I'm missing something.

swanniee11
02-17-2011, 09:55 AM
Anyone care to speculate on a motive??

He may have known about the $ she had on her

Patty G
02-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Do we know when the BF went missing? The mother was on NG's show on the 15th.

trigger
02-17-2011, 10:00 AM
Littleton currently is being sought nationwide in conjunction with the investigation as a person of interest, officers said today.

The article shows a picture of him. Does he drive? I hope they can track him with his cell phone if he has one.

I don't know what that means, he occupies the basement. Did he rent out the basement?

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/body-found-is-believed-to-be-missing-bellefontaine-mother-1083561.html

Regina Phalanges
02-17-2011, 10:07 AM
I just joined as a "local" from the Bellefontaine Area. Am shocked her body was found at the mother's home!

Didn't they say something on Nancy Grace the other evening that Tiffany had plans (and this seemed a little convoluted) to bring pizza home, then some mention was made about going with the mom's boyfriend shopping for Valentine's Day. I really am fairly certain Nancy Grace's show is where I heard this. Does anyone else remember this, or have access to a transcript of the show? I don't remember who on the show said this, but there definitely was some reference to the mom's boyfriend and Valentine's shopping.

curiousc
02-17-2011, 10:12 AM
I just joined as a "local" from the Bellefontaine Area. Am shocked her body was found at the mother's home!

Didn't they say something on Nancy Grace the other evening that Tiffany had plans (and this seemed a little convoluted) to bring pizza home, then some mention was made about going with the mom's boyfriend shopping for Valentine's Day. I really am fairly certain Nancy Grace's show is where I heard this. Does anyone else remember this, or have access to a transcript of the show? I don't remember who on the show said this, but there definitely was some reference to the mom's boyfriend and Valentine's shopping.

So glad you brought that up because I heard that too. Yet I was searching the NG transcripts and couldn't find her saying that.

Here's the link to the transcripts.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/15/ng.02.html

TBH, you know what I did find odd was when NG asked how the boys were doing and Tiffany's mom said:



GRACE: How are the boys tonight?

NEELEY: The boys are OK. I mean they`re just now just starting to ask some questions. But they have -- we have a big family and lot of people love them.

So 4 days go by and the boys only start asking about their mom now? I don't by that.

Patty G
02-17-2011, 10:16 AM
GRACE: And tonight, live, Ohio. A beautiful mother of two, boys ages 3 and 5, disappears on her way to bring home pizza. Tonight, where is mother of two Tiffany Brown?


JOSTAD: OK. So as her mom explained, Tiffany went to the beauty shop where -- that her mom owns. Picked up that deposit. Made that deposit at the bank. Was supposed to go to Western Union, but didn`t get there. Went and picked up her boys at their daycare, took them home. A neighbor who regularly watches the kids for her came over. She tells this neighbor that she`s going to go run errands. Said she`s be gone about a half an hour.

After she left, she texted a friend and -- I should mention, she told the babysitter, don`t feed the boys because I`m going to go pick up a pizza. So after she left, she texted a friend, said I`m headed to Chuck Cheese. The friend was busy and couldn`t make it.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/15/ng.02.html

Ronso
02-17-2011, 10:18 AM
Rumors are swirling that the mother was wearing the article of clothing that had blood on it.

I'm wondering how true that is and trying to find a news article/video that confirms it.

swanniee11
02-17-2011, 10:20 AM
GRACE: And tonight, live, Ohio. A beautiful mother of two, boys ages 3 and 5, disappears on her way to bring home pizza. Tonight, where is mother of two Tiffany Brown?


JOSTAD: OK. So as her mom explained, Tiffany went to the beauty shop where -- that her mom owns. Picked up that deposit. Made that deposit at the bank. Was supposed to go to Western Union, but didn`t get there. Went and picked up her boys at their daycare, took them home. A neighbor who regularly watches the kids for her came over. She tells this neighbor that she`s going to go run errands. Said she`s be gone about a half an hour.

After she left, she texted a friend and -- I should mention, she told the babysitter, don`t feed the boys because I`m going to go pick up a pizza. So after she left, she texted a friend, said I`m headed to Chuck Cheese. The friend was busy and couldn`t make it.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/15/ng.02.html

Thats odd too. Was she planning on hanging out with the friend at Chuck E Cheese without the boys? REALLY?

SuziQ
02-17-2011, 10:23 AM
This is a shocking turn of events. It does seem like Tiffany's mom added or changed info as time went on. I couldn't figure out whether it was the media or her spinning a story. I thought it was odd she never ever mentioned her bf.

trigger
02-17-2011, 10:24 AM
Rumors are swirling that the mother was wearing the article of clothing that had blood on it.

I'm wondering how true that is and trying to find a news article/video that confirms it.


OMG :eek::eek:

curiousc
02-17-2011, 10:24 AM
Ok, found it!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/15/ng.02.html



JOSTAD: OK. So as her mom explained, Tiffany went to the beauty shop where -- that her mom owns. Picked up that deposit. Made that deposit at the bank. Was supposed to go to Western Union, but didn`t get there. Went and picked up her boys at their daycare, took them home. A neighbor who regularly watches the kids for her came over. She tells this neighbor that she`s going to go run errands. Said she`s be gone about a half an hour.

After she left, she texted a friend and -- I should mention, she told the babysitter, don`t feed the boys because I`m going to go pick up a pizza. So after she left, she texted a friend, said I`m headed to Chuck Cheese. The friend was busy and couldn`t make it.

Now that`s the last time anybody heard from her. She also was supposed to meet her mother`s boyfriend later that night. They were going to go shopping for a Valentine`s Day gift. She never showed up. He figured she got busy. Her mom tried to text her a few more times at 8:00, 9:00.

trigger
02-17-2011, 10:25 AM
On the video it says the FBI is now involved.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/02/17/story-bellefontaine-missing-mother-person-of-interest.html?sid=102

Fairy1
02-17-2011, 10:28 AM
OMG. I am in shock!

truthsleuth
02-17-2011, 10:38 AM
OMG, how tragic! What a terrible situation ...

I don't get it. There was a blood-stained article that the police spotted at the house but the mother didn't? And the police had to get a search warrant to search the place? Why didn't the mother just let LE in to search without a search warrant? Further, and I don't want to be graphic, but the scent of a dead body is powerful. She didn't smell anything? A dead body was in the basement. What's happening here? How could she not know? And didn't the mother wonder where her boyfriend went and why he disappeared at the same time as her daughter?

My heart breaks to think of those boys. So sad ...

curiousc
02-17-2011, 10:40 AM
Rumors are swirling that the mother was wearing the article of clothing that had blood on it.

I'm wondering how true that is and trying to find a news article/video that confirms it.

It is a rumor. People are misconstruing this quote in the news:


Officers of the Bellefontaine Police Department investigating the disappearance of Tiffany L. Brown were re-interviewing the victim's mother and recognized an article of clothing that appeared to be blood-stained.

iluvmua
02-17-2011, 10:47 AM
There is no way BF is 32 or 36, he looks more like in his 40's.

Ronso
02-17-2011, 10:48 AM
He's 37.

Drugs and alcohol age a person fast. Just sayin'...

Regina Phalanges
02-17-2011, 10:51 AM
Just after the above-quoted paragraphs from the Nancy Grace transcript is a part where Ellie Jostad from Nancy Grace's show mentions the part about the plans that evening for Tiffany and the mother's boyfriend to go shopping for Valentine's Day. Rather eerie now where Ellie Jostad says something like "he just thought she got busy" when she didn't show up for the shopping trip.

I got a very strange feeling Wednesday night when the local radio station, WPKO, who was at the candlelight vigil held locally reported that the family was offering a $5,000 reward, then stated that the family needed monetary donations, and to send them to a P. O. Box in Bellefontaine, with checks made out to Tiffany's mother Debra Neeley. Maybe I was just being insensitive, but I'm not sure why they were asking for money.

truthsleuth
02-17-2011, 10:53 AM
It is a rumor. People are misconstruing this quote in the news:


Officers of the Bellefontaine Police Department investigating the disappearance of Tiffany L. Brown were re-interviewing the victim's mother and recognized an article of clothing that appeared to be blood-stained.

So that blood-stained article of clothing was obviously no longer in the basement and was found upstairs with the mother? And the mother never noticed it in the entire week her daughter was gone? Nothing prompted her to, again, put two and two together?

This is not looking good. Something is so wrong here.

Just sayin'.

debloree
02-17-2011, 10:53 AM
Welcome Regina!

Whatever1
02-17-2011, 10:54 AM
Motive...money, or "hit on" the daughter and she was going to tell her mom - they were close in age...

I don't think her mother had anything to do with it....

Maybe the boyfriend persuaded her not to call LE so quickly...

and exactly, when did he skip town? That should have been the mother's first clue.


Oh, and wasn't the mom supposedly at work when all of this probably happened.

TripleA
02-17-2011, 11:01 AM
If the bf commented that he "thought she just got busy", then he was clearly in the picture after she went missing. So when did he disappear? A day later, two days, a few hours...?

SurfieTX
02-17-2011, 11:04 AM
Am I understanding this correctly? The mother was keeping her children at her house, and all of the while her body was down in the basement? That makes me sick to my stomach.

Truthful Lies
02-17-2011, 11:05 AM
These comments are interesting. Official FB page of news station: https://www.facebook.com/whiotv?closeTheater=1

CN2Souls
02-17-2011, 11:14 AM
***Warning Graphic***

In a short period of time (2 hour) a body starts to smell, not to mention the smell of blood has a very strong smell of iron.

No way that you would not know something was in your basement, also the vapors rise up...so her house would have smelt with in a day.

swanniee11
02-17-2011, 11:22 AM
***Warning Graphic***

In a short period of time (2 hour) a body starts to smell, not to mention the smell of blood has a very strong smell of iron.

No way that you would not know something was in your basement, also the vapors rise up...so her house would have smelt with in a day.



But the police didn't notice that IIRC, they found a blood stained shirt and then got the Search Warrant, I would have thought that the police would have noticed the smell and went from there. Maybe they did and we are not hearing this at this time. I would also think that if the mother knows her boyfriend is missing/took off whatever, and mom didn't know why she would have gone downstairs to look for clues. I would have.

curiousc
02-17-2011, 11:23 AM
***Warning Graphic***

In a short period of time (2 hour) a body starts to smell, not to mention the smell of blood has a very strong smell of iron.

No way that you would not know something was in your basement, also the vapors rise up...so her house would have smelt with in a day.

Surprised LE did not notice the smell.

Also, the BF goes missing. You'd think Tiffany's mom would have went into the basement to see if anything was out of order, etc. after he went missing. Just saying if my BF upped and left, I'd have been down there to see if there was a note etc.

SurfieTX
02-17-2011, 11:25 AM
I guess he's the one who called the Chicago number and sent the text?

Regina Phalanges
02-17-2011, 11:26 AM
The link posted earlier about the FBI now involved in the case, http://www.10tv.com/live/content/loc...t.html?sid=102 mentioned that Mr. Littleton the POI and mom's boyfriend had not been seen since Saturday, but I have not seen or heard this referenced anywhere else. I would have thought if he was missing since Saturday, somehow this should have come out during the Nancy Grace interview. What do you all think?

tmrose43311
02-17-2011, 11:26 AM
I just woke up and saw the news, i am stunned. Its not often someone disappears in a town this small, but for their body to show up hidden in the mothers home? And for her boys to be in that house this whole time, wondering when their mother is coming home, and she was literally under there noses this whole time? Wow!!

I agree with everyone.... how could the mom not see the article that the police noticed so easily? And how could they not notice the smell, unless he had her hidden in a freezer or something?

Truthful Lies
02-17-2011, 11:27 AM
I find it strange that Mom's live-in boyfriend lived in the basement? Why didn't he live upstairs with her?

debloree
02-17-2011, 11:27 AM
I wonder why the BF was living in the basement...and maybe that's why they needed a search warrant? Maybe TB's Mom was renting space to him? :waitasec:

trigger
02-17-2011, 11:33 AM
***Warning Graphic***

In a short period of time (2 hour) a body starts to smell, not to mention the smell of blood has a very strong smell of iron.

No way that you would not know something was in your basement, also the vapors rise up...so her house would have smelt with in a day.

ITA. I bet we hear when LE arrived they smelled something and asked if they could check the home and found the bloodied clothes and then got the SW.

JMO

SleuthyMama
02-17-2011, 11:35 AM
I just found this thread this morning and just read my way through it now. W.O.W. Not to diminish the severity or tragedy here in the slightest but this reads like a page-turning novel! I am floored.

I still can't completely wrap my head around that quote in the article re LE reinterviewing the mother and seeing the bloodstained piece of clothing. As the rumor someone posted above earlier indicated, was the mom WEARING this piece of clothing? And if not, was it just laying out somewhere in the house? And if so, and it was a piece of Tiffany's clothing, wouldn't her mother have looked at it carefully previously?

Damn. I really am at a loss here. My prayers to those two little babies that will grow up without their mother. That just decimates me.

Truthful Lies
02-17-2011, 11:37 AM
Sleuthy, I'm with you. I refresh constantly and can't seem to pull myself away. Very sad and baffling =(

trigger
02-17-2011, 11:37 AM
Surprised LE did not notice the smell.

Also, the BF goes missing. You'd think Tiffany's mom would have went into the basement to see if anything was out of order, etc. after he went missing. Just saying if my BF upped and left, I'd have been down there to see if there was a note etc.

Right, or at least she would go to the basement to do laundry. After all she had the 2 boys, she had to do some wash right. Good thing the children did not find her. OMG

trigger
02-17-2011, 11:38 AM
Does anyone know when the presser is?

debloree
02-17-2011, 11:40 AM
http://www.whiotv.com/video/26898440/index.html

Look at the POI enter the room thru a back door during an interview. When was the interview?