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Herding Cats
03-13-2011, 12:16 PM
Me thinks the media is clammoring for ratings and will say absolutely anything to obtain viewers. When I saw that CNN was putting soppy music to their videos yesterday, I said to he** with them. They want us to panic, they want us to believe the world is coming to an end. Yet they have no facts to back up their stories. How do they know there's going to be an 8.0 coming?


Snipped by me.

It seems to me, and I've stated as such way earlier in the thread, that there has been a lack of aftershocks from this quake. It doesn't surprise me that they are concerned about the lack of "large" aftershocks, because that's the known, somewhat predictable pattern any earthquake has.

There are usually a few quite large - close to the original size (like between 8-8.5. Then there are many about 1.5 levels less than the original (7.0-7.5), and then there are dozens about 3 levels less (6-7.5), and hundreds at 4 levels less (5-6), and thousands at levels lower than that. (Levels are based from this eq's original number of either 8.9 or 9)

It's the pattern, the expected releasing of energy, the expected result from a resettling of the earth, it's crust, and it's surrounding matter (e.g. the ocean). It's the way these things work, you know?

So because we haven't yet seen large (in context) eqs, and we have only seen some of the lower level ones (again, in context), and we are approaching 72 hours after the quake, I, too, am concerned that we haven't had the large size ones we would reasonably, scientifically, geologically expect. And that worries me - this is not following the predictable, "normal" pattern that we have learned comes after a quake. And btw, any good size aftershock can produce their own aftershocks, too...sort of like a ripple effect.

And, depending on where the afershocks happen, and what kind they are (locked/thrust or slip), yes, they definitely have the ability to trigger large tsunamis.

And because of the damage to the nuclear energy sites already, any large quake has the risk to create additional damage.

I don't think that, in this regard, the media is being panic-mongers. Rather, they are trying to bring awareness to the situation. The melt-down thing is a whole other story, however, but I don't know squat about nuclear stuff, so...I'll stick with trying to explain earthquakes. LOL.

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not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 12:18 PM
Survivors on CNN are saying that it's freezing cold. Phone lines are down, cell service is patchy, no food, no running water, most of the area still has no power. Saying most of the casualties have been drowning victims from the tsunami. Saying that most people are calm, turning their minds toward clean up and trying to go home, accepting that they have to work together to get through this.

Not sure about how much info they are getting from the government because they cannot really get info because of the comm systems being down. Emergency food and water was delivered to her shelter yesterday, but today it is gone. the only thing to eat is fruit in her area of Sendai.

peeples
03-13-2011, 12:20 PM
Diagram of what they look like inside

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/uploadedImages/wnn/Images/bwr%20cutaway.jpg

Notice the metal bracing type bars up at the top inside the concrete.. is what the pic i found last night shows exposed after the explosion... but the rest does seem intact....

Quiche
03-13-2011, 12:25 PM
Finding more bodies than survivors...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/03/13/lah.sendai.earthquake.search.cnn

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 12:27 PM
48 countries are sending help to Japan. As well as US aid, there are SAR teams from Britain and Australia en route, and China has sent man power, medicine and heavy equipment.

Daisyjane
03-13-2011, 12:28 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/13/us-japan-quake-tokai-idUSTRE72C2RH20110313

The cooling system pump has stopped at the Tokai No.2 nuclear power plant in Japan's Ibaraki prefecture, Kyodo news reported, in the wake of the massive earthquake that has crippled other reactors in the country. The plant, located about 120 km (75 miles) north of Tokyo, had suffered a nuclear accident in 1999.

SurfieTX
03-13-2011, 12:28 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

tehcloser
03-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Another One......


Cooling system pump stops at Tokai No.2 plant: report


The plant, located about 120 km (75 miles) north of Tokyo, had suffered a nuclear accident in 1999.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/13/us-japan-quake-tokai-idUSTRE72C2RH20110313

Quiche
03-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Great map of the plant locations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan#Nuclear_Power_Plants


eta: State of emergency at Onagawa

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=211959

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 12:31 PM
MSNBC saying that government is telling them everything is under control, there is a controlled cooldown. The evac zone has not been widened again. Officials are saying that cooldowns are going as they are supposed to, although there is damage to reactor core.

The people are still very fearful, and frankly, not buying a lot of what the government is telling them, which is that the only ones that have been radiation exposed are the workers at the plants.

doogiesgirl
03-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&


OMG!!! OMG!!! I am soo worried for our friends! and all the people there. OMG!! This is not good.

peeples
03-13-2011, 12:41 PM
"The threat of further seismic shifts and tsunami is far from over. As rescue teams from more than 70 countries and tens of thousands of Japanese troops descended on the disaster zone, meteorological agency officials warned there was a 70% chance of a magnitude 7.0 earthquake striking the region in the next three days. "There will be many aftershocks in multiple locations. We have to brace ourselves for aftershocks of magnitude 5 or even magnitude 6," an agency official said."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/japan-earthquake-tsunami-nuclear-crisis

doogiesgirl
03-13-2011, 12:42 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

If only that little dog could talk people! Listen to the way he is barking....he knows something....and he's trying, ya know?

Melanie
03-13-2011, 12:49 PM
OMG!!! OMG!!! I am soo worried for our friends! and all the people there. OMG!! This is not good.

Wow is right. To see the earth pulsating like that is horrific. I thought my eyes were seeing things, so I replayed it again. Nope - that ground was moving allright.

I'm so scared for them --

Mel

Quiche
03-13-2011, 12:57 PM
This article gives insight to how much more dangerous the #3/Mox reactor is... :(

http://www.channel4.com/news/japan-how-dangerous-are-nuclear-blasts

Herding Cats
03-13-2011, 01:05 PM
At somewhere around 2:40 or so, you can see the water squishing up...and early on, once he starts walking, you can see a beautiful, small scale explanation of why tsunamis happen. You see the ground open, then close, and then a wave slides into the bush on the left. That, in micro, is how a tsunami works.

It's an amazing piece of video. Scary, yes, but amazing.

I remember, after the 1994 quake, about 6 months after, we had a huge aftershock. I had a friend over with his child, and me and the boy were out in the backyard. His Dad was in front, repairing something for me. The aftershock hit, I grabbed the child, ran a few steps into a fairly safe area in the driveway, and tucked him under me. Their dog came, and leaned on the child's legs. I looked up, and watched the cars in the driveway bounce up and down, like "low rider" cars; saw the child's father leap the gate, and threw himself onto us. We laid there for a while, even after the shaking stopped...we were worried about the fireplace.

While absolutely terrifying, it was also utterly enthralling to watch the ground wave. Like ripples under us, just waving and waving and waving...under the concrete, you could see the ripples coming, then the bump, then the drop, then the rise for the next ripple.

It was amazing. No other real word to say...but a clear, hi-def memory, which was amazing to feel, see, and experience.

Just thought I'd share that bit.

BTW, the quakes I've been through were the Sylmar quake '72, (4-5 miles from epicenter), Whittier quake (80s, about 30 miles from epicenter), San Francisco quake (89? I was in Fremont, about 50 miles from the epicenter), the 1994 Northridge quake (8-10) miles from epicenter, and the TwentyNine Palms quake, about 80 miles from the epicenter (late 90s). I have been in hundreds of smaller quakes, but I don't count those. LOL...if it's not big enough to move me, then it's not "big". LOL.

I don't like them at all. I understand them, but I don't like them. They can, however, be surprisingly intriguing, as long as you're safe.

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Peliman
03-13-2011, 01:07 PM
There has been a wind direction shift from last night coming from the NE. This is not a good thing if radiation is in the air but all that's unknown.

Speed / Dir 6 mph from NE

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/47595.html

Wow, I just heard if you're in an affected area and go outside, to take off all your clothes and put them in a plastic bag so you don't bring contamination back into the home. An unheard of precaution...

panthera
03-13-2011, 01:10 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

That was interesting to see very close up how the concrete just separates and the water coming up into the park. I don't know if I'd be as calm as he was however!

Peliman
03-13-2011, 01:11 PM
Gawd, I forgot to type "if you go outside" and hit post. :doh:

peeples
03-13-2011, 01:12 PM
However, they are not providing information for the wider world
http://www.channel4.com/news/japan-how-dangerous-are-nuclear-blasts
BBM

I don't understand why unless it's much worse than they are letting on........

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:17 PM
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste




At issue is coal's content of uranium and thorium, both radioactive elements. They occur in such trace amounts in natural, or "whole," coal that they aren't a problem. But when coal is burned into fly ash, uranium and thorium are concentrated at up to 10 times their original levels.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

Quiche
03-13-2011, 01:17 PM
The radiation detected at Onagowa was from Fukushima, Onagowa is under control

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci--japan-quake-reactor-20110313,0,6721506.story

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:20 PM
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Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:23 PM
YouTube - supergia007's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE7GLE_cOc&feature=player_detailpage#t=258s)

belimom
03-13-2011, 01:24 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

Amazing... I'm surprised how close he got to the cracks. I think I would have run far away, afraid the ground was going to open up. But I'm glad he video'd it - very interesting the way the ground kept moving, the water was coming up. Like he said, the scary part is that the whole park was reclaimed land that used to be part of a bay - and was backfilled with dirt, etc. The water table seems very high right there. I wonder if that area will recover?

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 01:24 PM
However, they are not providing information for the wider world
http://www.channel4.com/news/japan-how-dangerous-are-nuclear-blasts
BBM

I don't understand why unless it's much worse than they are letting on........

I fear it is. And we can't forget that even in the face of this, people are dying right now because they simply can't be reached. The other problems, like the food, water, fuel, and power situations aren't going away, either. They are coping with so much that I almost feel guilty for making this in any way about the U.S. I'm not saying that we shouldn't, obviously there is the need for us to address it, but it's just terrible all the way around.

daisy7
03-13-2011, 01:25 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

Oh my word. That is super freaky! :(

SurfieTX
03-13-2011, 01:32 PM
YouTube - supergia007's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/supergia007#p/u/0/hAE7GLE_cOc) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE7GLE_cOc&feature=player_detailpage#t=258s)

OH. MY. GOSH. There are no words.

Actually, I have one - humbling.

SuziQ
03-13-2011, 01:38 PM
Latest live coverage:

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=C2

Reality Orlando
03-13-2011, 01:47 PM
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste




At issue is coal's content of uranium and thorium, both radioactive elements. They occur in such trace amounts in natural, or "whole," coal that they aren't a problem. But when coal is burned into fly ash, uranium and thorium are concentrated at up to 10 times their original levels.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

I don't understand how that could be. My family came over from Ireland and worked in the coal mines in PA for decades. They burned coal in their homes to heat and cook. Many lived in a town called Centralia which had a huge mine fire burning under it for years...it's in fact still going...and breathed that in for a long time as well. I grew up spending summers and vacations there. You'd think, if that was the case, that all my family, plus all the others in those coal towns, would be short lived due to radiation exposure from all the coal burning during long winters. But, the opposite is true. Most of my grandparents lived well into their 80's and even some their 90's.

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:51 PM
Rolling Blackouts are going to be starting tomorrow! There's not enough power due to the reactors having issues.. Just reported on MSNBC

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:53 PM
Before and After pictures.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html?ref=asia

SurfieTX
03-13-2011, 01:58 PM
Rolling Blackouts are going to be starting tomorrow! There's not enough power due to the reactors having issues.. Just reported on MSNBC

I wonder how that is going to affect Japan's economy - trading/computer/business-wise.

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 01:58 PM
More Before and After pictures
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

Move your mouse over the pictures to see the difference

belimom
03-13-2011, 01:58 PM
YouTube - supergia007's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/supergia007#p/u/0/hAE7GLE_cOc) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE7GLE_cOc&feature=player_detailpage#t=258s)

Looks like armageddon... :no:

peeples
03-13-2011, 01:59 PM
that video.. when that group of people is watching from an over hang of sorts maybe the top of a building or something.. they are soo much braver than I, i wouldn't be able to watch all me things that i loved and my entire town washing away.. i just couldn't watch...

Reality Orlando
03-13-2011, 01:59 PM
Rolling Blackouts are going to be starting tomorrow! There's not enough power due to the reactors having issues.. Just reported on MSNBC

My heart just breaks for these people. My husband was stationed in Japan during Vietnam and says it's a beautiful country and the people are really amazing. My prayers are with them.

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 02:00 PM
1597 - official death toll according to Japanese police.

69 countries have offered aid in one form or another (that number seems to bounce around a little, but regardless it is staggering in a good way.)

The city that is missing half it's people was only about 2 miles from the coast. Some residents that made it out are returning to see their homes, many are giving information as to which neighbors had left, who was planning to stay, and who was packing to leave. As a person that's hard to process, being asked to help identify where your neighbors and friends may have been washed away to...

Quiche
03-13-2011, 02:03 PM
What went wrong at Fukushima

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12726591

Blue_Dolphin308
03-13-2011, 02:05 PM
10 000 people are missing in one town, so the death toll can go up to over 10 000. This just reported on MSNBC.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 02:06 PM
Death toll climbs to 10,000. 1.4 million without water.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/Japan+Death+toll+climbs+to+10000/-/1068/1124510/-/ya9t1c/-/

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 02:13 PM
Many of the bodies that are being recovered are those that were too elderly to quickly evacuate.

They are showing a school that has had bodies removed from it, there were 450 students and staff inside when the tsunami warning was issued. Those that couldn't evacuate...are being recovered now.

The lines at food and water distribution centers are blocks long, and many just have nothing left to give.

The power plant that has the most recent warnings issued is being said to be "under control." Two reactors at Fukishima (sp) may have suffered "partial meltdowns" but they believe that both have their containment chambers intact. Still saying there was no substantial radiation leak. People are being treated for radiation exposure. Those reactors that are being pumped full of seawater will be complete losses even if the meltdown is averted, since the seawater is corroding sensitive parts. It is unclear how well they can monitor the situation, since it is unclear whether anyone can enter the plant (fukishima). Reiterating that the venting is necessary in order to release pressure that otherwise could harm the reactor containment chamber.

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 02:19 PM
The most urgent crisis centers on the Fukushima Daiichi complex, where all three reactors are threatening to overheat, and where authorities say they have been forced to release radioactive steam into the air to relieve reactor pressure.

The complex, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo, was rocked by an explosion on Saturday, which blew the roof off a reactor building. The government did not rule out further blasts there but said this would not necessarily damage the reactor vessels.

Authorities have poured sea water in all three of the complex's reactor to cool them down.

FEARS OVER OTHER REACTORS

The complex, run by Tokyo Electric Power Co , is the biggest nuclear concern but not the only one: on Monday, the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Japanese authorities had notified it of an emergency at another plant further north, at Onagawa.

But Japan's nuclear safety agency denied problems at the Onagawa plant, run by Tohoku Electric Power Co , noting that radioactive releases from the Fukushima Daiichi complex had been detected at Onagawa, but that these were within safe levels at a tiny fraction of the radiation received in an x-ray.

Shortly later, a cooling-system problem was reported at another nuclear plant closer to Tokyo, in Ibaraki prefecture.
http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Video/Article.aspx?id=211981

wfgodot
03-13-2011, 02:21 PM
6.17pm: More details are beginning to emerge about the breakdown of one of two cooling systems pumps at Tokai No. 2 nuclear power plant in the village of Tokai, Ibaraki prefecture.

The Japan Times says that a report submitted to the Ibaraki prefecture government has confirmed that one of two pumps used to cool the water of a suppression pool for the nuclear reactor has stopped working. The other pump is still working though, and Japan Atomic Power has said the reactor core is being cooled without any problem.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/13/japan-earthquake-and-tsunami-japan

panthera
03-13-2011, 02:31 PM
Man rescued from sea 9 miles off Japan coast
The 60-year-old was found clinging to his house's roof, two days after it was swept away

and more stories of those who survived and those who didn't.....:cry:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42051281/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/

Quiche
03-13-2011, 02:32 PM
West Coast not at Risk of Fallout

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/12/canadian-radiation-fallout-concern.html

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 02:45 PM
I am currently listing people identified in news articles on the google resource page. Mnay are concerned because they can't let their families know they are safe, so maybe I can ease someone's burden a little.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 02:52 PM
Talk about yanked around... how nerve wracking.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110313003798.htm

Quiche
03-13-2011, 02:58 PM
I have to be honest, I had no idea what prefecture was. So for anyone else who wants to know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefectures_of_Japan

Kimster
03-13-2011, 03:06 PM
The weather agency says a volcano in southern Japan is spewing ash and rock again as the country struggles with the aftermath of a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami in the north.<snipped>

http://www.wkrg.com/world/article/volcano-in-southern-japan-erupts/1205456/Mar-13-2011_1-31-pm/

Quiche
03-13-2011, 03:07 PM
Okay, now this guy says radiation could reach the US if there is a total meltdown. (removed smilie for being too smiley)
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Expert-Nuclear-Radiation-Could-Spread-Far-Beyond-Japan-117899079.html?utm_campaign=twitterfeed&utm_source=voa_news-twitter-account&utm_medium=twitter

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 03:14 PM
I think the problem is that no one knows how far the radiation could go, because with all the different plants and reactors, no one really knows how much could be realeased.
Some seem to be thinking that it's better to put the warnings out there than just wait and see and some seem to think that they should be quiet about potential risks until they have more info, probably trying to avoid panic and people hoarding supplies.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 03:18 PM
I think the problem is that no one knows how far the radiation could go, because with all the different plants and reactors, no one really knows how much could be realeased.
Some seem to be thinking that it's better to put the warnings out there than just wait and see and some seem to think that they should be quiet about potential risks until they have more info, probably trying to avoid panic and people hoarding supplies.

I'm thinking it has a lot to do with ground level radiation-- as in the partial meltdown and leaks, versus a total meltdown with a large groundwater explosion propelled into the upper atmosphere and trade winds. jmo

Quiche
03-13-2011, 03:33 PM
Deceptively beautiful image...

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1762

hockeymom
03-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Here's a link to the volcano that is starting to erupt.

http://www.xomba.com/japan_volcano_eruption_march_13_2011_shinmoedake_v olcano_japan_erupts_earthquake_aftershocks_tsunami

heartfortruth
03-13-2011, 03:53 PM
Oh my gosh...look at this video. I can't believe how calm this guy is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0WpKVAn3M&

OH MY GOSH! is right!!! I have NEVER, EVER seen anything like this! AMAZING! EERIE!! and the calmness of the man makes it even more chilling.
Thank you for posting this; not pretty but utterly fascinating. Again , my heart goes out to the people of Japan...and others from around the world who are there or are going there to help.......over and over they are in my thought / prayers.

heartfortruth
03-13-2011, 04:06 PM
YouTube - supergia007's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/supergia007#p/u/0/hAE7GLE_cOc) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE7GLE_cOc&feature=player_detailpage#t=258s)

I hit thanks and started to watch it but had to turn it off.....gotta' take a break from the visuals.....and almost feel guilty that I can when there is no break for the people there for a long time.
Odd choice of words, huh? there is so much 'broken" there right now. I pray it stops breaking soon.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 04:40 PM
Continuing efforts at Fukushima #3

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Venting_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_3_1303111.html

Quiche
03-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Nuke situation is still grim, now fearing the potential of fires in spent fuel...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/meltdowns-japan-earthquake_b_835121.html

not_my_kids
03-13-2011, 05:31 PM
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could occur at Dai-ichi's Unit 3, the latest reactor to face a possible meltdown. That would follow a hydrogen blast Saturday in the plant's Unit 1.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9LUJ53G0

Quiche
03-13-2011, 05:43 PM
Over an hour without a quake, I don't think that's good...could cause a build up of tension.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

mysticrose
03-13-2011, 05:56 PM
Japanese man found floating out to sea on his house

TOKYO — Hiromitsu Shinkawa was pushed out to sea while he clung to the roof of his home after a tsunami swept away his wife. For two days, he drifted off Japan's northeastern coast, trying to get the attention of helicopters and ships that passed by -- to no avail..

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110313/japan-man-survives-tsunami-roof-house-110313/20110313/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

mysticrose
03-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Did I kill the thread ?

Melanie
03-13-2011, 06:45 PM
Over an hour without a quake, I don't think that's good...could cause a build up of tension.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

Looking at the pattern, this is awfully odd. Quakes don't just stop like that do they? I would think not, as there still a lot of adjusting to do. After all, the shore moved 8 feet! I would expect often, smaller tremors...

This is worrisome :(

Mel

Melanie
03-13-2011, 06:50 PM
Did I kill the thread ?

Heavens no - you :rocker:

It's relatively quiet on the newsfront -- another odd thing. No earthquakes for the last hour, no news on the nuclear front, not much of anything.

The IAEA said investigators in Japan found radiation levels have returned to normal at the Onagawa nuclear power plant.

Not sure I can believe normal levels returned so quickly. However, I'm no expert, nor do I assume to be. But my hinky meter is bobbing up and down ;)

So according to Japan - everything is fine, don't worry, don't panic. It's all goooood.

Hugs,

Mel

peeples
03-13-2011, 06:54 PM
Just got back from dropping hubby at the airport and there was a group of search and rescue people there getting ready to goto Japan 12 or 15 of them.

I also saw quite a few soldiers in full gear flying out.. not sure if they were part of a mobilized unit or just heading back from R&R or something......

scandi
03-13-2011, 07:01 PM
Looking at the pattern, this is awfully odd. Quakes don't just stop like that do they? I would think not, as there still a lot of adjusting to do. After all, the shore moved 8 feet! I would expect often, smaller tremors...

This is worrisome :(

Mel


Hi Mel, It is odd, but maybe it is due to the volcano that erupted in Japan today? All I know is all earthquake activity is connected by the movement of the plates in the ring of fire.

Big Hugs

hockeymom
03-13-2011, 07:25 PM
Something I just remembered.Last week the volcano in Hawaii was very active. I guess there were lots of signs something was happening underneath.

Kat
03-13-2011, 07:54 PM
The volcano in Hawaii has been more active for about 2 years now.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Ahhh :)

http://www.seattledogspot.com/2011/03/13/picture-from-japan-owner-and-dog-reunited/





eta: Informative updates on the power plants.

http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/

peeples
03-13-2011, 08:23 PM
cat island updates..it had been said earlier it washed away

http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-conscious-cat/update-on-japans-cat-island/10150111228603992

I have a friend in Japan who managed to get in touch with people who knew about Tashirojima – people and cats are said to be okay, but there was a lot of building damage and they need bare necessities for humans and cat food… The Japanese organizations said they couldn’t help at the moment (my friend was very frustrated) and he’s checking for some other foreign organisations which maybe could help. He also found out that a Japanese defence forces’ helicopter landed there this afternoon. So that’s hopeful. Lots of volunteers are going to be needed there to help rebuild the island.

Adrienne37
03-13-2011, 08:32 PM
Didn't see this article posted anywhere and it was very interesting to me...

<snip>

In pitch darkness we enter Iwaki City. Apart from a handful of cars, the streets are deserted. Restaurants and bars have been closed. The blinds have been pulled down in the local Denny's. Even the 7-Eleven convenience store has shut its doors.

We spot a schoolgirl waking quickly in the dark. "I'm on my way to pick up my mother," she tells us. "We're going to the refugee centre. We've been told to stay indoors and not breath in the radioactivity."

Then she hurries off.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/were-told-not-to-breathe-the-air-ndash-its-scary-2240509.html

Allusonz
03-13-2011, 08:47 PM
Still awaiting word on friends in Japan. Now the volcano.....

angela
03-13-2011, 08:48 PM
Death toll climbs to 10,000. 1.4 million without water.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/Japan+Death+toll+climbs+to+10000/-/1068/1124510/-/ya9t1c/-/
I worry that the death toll from this disaster will surpass everyone's predictions. This is massive. On the videos, you can see cars still traveling on the roads as the tsunami hit. Not everyone moved to higher ground.

Trident
03-13-2011, 08:51 PM
Heavens no - you :rocker:

It's relatively quiet on the newsfront -- another odd thing. No earthquakes for the last hour, no news on the nuclear front, not much of anything.

The IAEA said investigators in Japan found radiation levels have returned to normal at the Onagawa nuclear power plant.

Not sure I can believe normal levels returned so quickly. However, I'm no expert, nor do I assume to be. But my hinky meter is bobbing up and down ;)

So according to Japan - everything is fine, don't worry, don't panic. It's all goooood.

Hugs,

Mel

I'm not sure I believe them either, so I went searching the net and here's what I found:

"Dr. Busby said the reassurances being issued now by official sources and by apologists for the nuclear industry are exactly the same as those issued 25 years ago, at the time of Chernobyl. Risks were understated, as show by subsequent epidemiological studies."
http://www.rense.com/general93/dis.htm

hockeymom
03-13-2011, 08:53 PM
The volcano in Hawaii has been more active for about 2 years now.

LOL,it must have been pretty active this past week.

http://www.nps.gov/havo/planyourvisit/lava2.htm

Kat
03-13-2011, 08:54 PM
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14243005

Posted: Mar 13, 2011 11:52 AM
Updated: Mar 13, 2011 12:13 PM

Relief pours into devastated Japan (Headline)

Good start, hopefully we can get more workers and supplies in very quickly!

Kat
03-13-2011, 08:57 PM
LOL,it must have been pretty active this past week.

http://www.nps.gov/havo/planyourvisit/lava2.htm

We've only been here about nine months but the news and all the locals I have asked say that this isn't unusual activity from the volcano at all.

We've had constant earthquakes since before we arrived on island.

This really does seem to be business as usual for Hawaii and volcanic activity.

Just sharing what I have seen reported and heard locals say when asked. :)

Quiche
03-13-2011, 09:05 PM
Girl in isolation greets her dog...

http://twitpic.com/49a1sa

peeples
03-13-2011, 09:10 PM
that is soo sad :(

I thought you got decontaminated and then were fine.... why the isolation???

panthera
03-13-2011, 09:10 PM
cat island updates..it had been said earlier it washed away

http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-conscious-cat/update-on-japans-cat-island/10150111228603992

I have a friend in Japan who managed to get in touch with people who knew about Tashirojima – people and cats are said to be okay, but there was a lot of building damage and they need bare necessities for humans and cat food… The Japanese organizations said they couldn’t help at the moment (my friend was very frustrated) and he’s checking for some other foreign organisations which maybe could help. He also found out that a Japanese defence forces’ helicopter landed there this afternoon. So that’s hopeful. Lots of volunteers are going to be needed there to help rebuild the island.

Great news that they survived! Hopefully more food and supplies will be on the way soon. :prayer: :cat:

Dark Knight
03-13-2011, 09:23 PM
I just saw a tweet from someone in Tokyu saying they just had a huge aftershock.

panthera
03-13-2011, 09:27 PM
I just saw a tweet from someone in Tokyu saying they just had a huge aftershock.

I saw it on Google also. 5.8 near the east coast of Honshu; same area as the previous ones in the past two days. :(

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

Quiche
03-13-2011, 09:29 PM
Just run your cursor onto the quake...

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/

Kat
03-13-2011, 09:30 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8379477/Firemen-in-Japan-begin-recovering-bodies.html

Sendai 11:30PM GMT 13 Mar 2011

Firemen in Japan begin recovering bodies
Firemen have begun the grim task of recovering the bodies of those killed by the tsunami, writes Kjeld Duits in Sendai (headline)

This is going to take a very long time. :(

Dark Knight
03-13-2011, 09:33 PM
I saw it on Google also. 5.8 near the east coast of Honshu; same area as the previous ones in the past two days. :(

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

It's amazing how people talk about these quakes rated from 5-7 are so strong, can you imagine what that 8.9 must have been like, by comparison??

peeples
03-13-2011, 09:35 PM
Am watching CNN coverage and they were showing people waiting in lines hours long to get into a grocery store for the chance to buy 10 items. Most people were looking for food mostly cup a noodles. I noticed that only a few people had on masks.. most did not.

Melanie
03-13-2011, 09:36 PM
I'm not sure I believe them either, so I went searching the net and here's what I found:

"Dr. Busby said the reassurances being issued now by official sources and by apologists for the nuclear industry are exactly the same as those issued 25 years ago, at the time of Chernobyl. Risks were understated, as show by subsequent epidemiological studies."
http://www.rense.com/general93/dis.htm

If you look at Chernobyl, they actually tried to hide it from the rest of the world:

No one actually knew about the accident until three days later when Sweden published a report stating that it had found increased radiation coming out of the Soviet Union . In fact, the Soviet Union was doing all it could to cover up what had happened and assess the damage before the world could find out.

Of course, by then, the damage has been done.

Source: http://www-pub.naz.edu:9000/~menglis6/Chernobyl.htm

Mel

Melanie
03-13-2011, 09:39 PM
Am watching CNN coverage and they were showing people waiting in lines hours long to get into a grocery store for the chance to buy 10 items. Most people were looking for food mostly cup a noodles. I noticed that only a few people had on masks.. most did not.

Hi peeples,

You know what I find quite interesting. They are continually saying "this store is closed, that restaurant is closed". Wouldn't anyone want to get in there to find any type of food/resources. I'm not talking about looting, but shouldn't someone (military, etc) get into any closed restaurant/store available and hand out food, water, napkins, cups -- whatever!

Maybe I'm seeing it in the wrong light - but I just don't get it. I know the Japanese are very respectful people, but these are lives we're talking about. Open these stores and restaurants STAT!

MOOO

Mel

panthera
03-13-2011, 09:41 PM
It's amazing how people talk about these quakes rated from 5-7 are so strong, can you imagine what that 8.9 must have been like, by comparison??

Absolutely terrifying, in my opinion, especially followed by the tsunami. It makes me wonder how many died just from the fear alone. :(

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:03 PM
CNN just said so far 160 people have tested positive for radiation

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:05 PM
CNN live reporter just said another tsunamie warning issued
saying people running and evacuating

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:07 PM
Very informative article... radiation has been detected 60 miles from the plant, releases are likely to last for months, and this little doozy that gives an idea of how difficult seawater cooling actually is:

To pump in the water, the Japanese have apparently tried used fire-fighting equipment — hardly the usual procedure. But forcing the seawater inside the containment vessel has been extraordinarily difficult, because the pressure in the vessel has become so great.

One American official likened the process to “trying to pour water into an inflated balloon,” and said that on Sunday it was “not clear how much water they are getting in, or whether they are covering the cores.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/japan-fukushima-nuclear-reactor.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimes

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:17 PM
I'm seeing on twitter that a 3 meter high tsunami is about to hit Fukushima...

nhk 3 meter tsunami - Google Search

Reannan
03-13-2011, 10:19 PM
Another tsunami warning???!!! OMG!!! How much more can these people stand? Oh, how I wish I could help in some way!!! Oh, please God, no more!!! The children that are living through this!! The animals! Oh, I want it to stop!!!

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:21 PM
Also-- explosion heard at Fukushima Daiichi at #3 reactor

nhk 3 meter tsunami - Google Search

angela
03-13-2011, 10:23 PM
I'm seeing on twitter that a 3 meter high tsunami is about to hit Fukushima...

nhk 3 meter tsunami - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=gsisc&pq=nhk+3+meter&xhr=t&q=nhk+3+meter+tsunami&cp=18&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw#q=nhk+3+meter+tsunami&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivnsu&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=u&ei=snp9TcWWIZGKrQGxxfThBQ&ved=0CDAQ5QU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d80b5d4c2f738288)
OH NO!!!!!
I have learned to have a tremendous amount of respect for the Japanese culture. I have read where the people are lining up patiently to purchase food. We are not seeing the looting and lawlessness we witness in the US. We could all learn a lot from watching them.
God bless them!!!

Reannan
03-13-2011, 10:25 PM
Also-- explosion heard at Fukushima Daiichi at #3 reactor

nhk 3 meter tsunami - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=gsisc&pq=nhk+3+meter&xhr=t&q=nhk+3+meter+tsunami&cp=18&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw#hl=en&sugexp=gsisc&pq=nhk%203%20meter%20tsunami&xhr=t&q=nhk+explosion&cp=13&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbs=mbl:1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=nhk+explosion&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d80b5d4c2f738288)

Quiche, thank you so much for posting this!!!!

i.b.nora
03-13-2011, 10:29 PM
cnn is talking about the explosion now.

Wise Old Owl
03-13-2011, 10:31 PM
Anderson Cooper on CNN is covering this new blast right now.

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:32 PM
Speculation that it's a hydrogen explosion like the one at #1 reactor...

scandi
03-13-2011, 10:34 PM
that is soo sad :(

I thought you got decontaminated and then were fine.... why the isolation???

Hi Peeples, CNN had an expert on radiation as a guest today. He said if one is exposed they can take an iodine pill as long as it is taken in the 24 hours after exposure. He said all it takes is one pill which would be for light exposure from a cloud. He said the radiation doesn't stay aloft very long. Later I heard there are many variables, like the amount of radiation you are exposed to and for how long.

I remember reading about the bombs we dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima and how deadly the radiation was. It never hurts to look back and I found this:

http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html

tehcloser
03-13-2011, 10:35 PM
Number three is the "bad boy" right? The one they were really worried about?

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:36 PM
Conflicting reports about the tsunami-- some say water dropped 5 meters at Fukushima, some say wave spotted from helicopters, now saying tsunami is not detected. ????

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:38 PM
Number three is the "bad boy" right? The one they were really worried about?

Yes, it uses plutonium, instead of uranium, as fuel. Baaaad. mo

Kat
03-13-2011, 10:38 PM
I actually feel sick to my stomach for these survivors. I actually hurt so much for them I want to puke. No exaggeration. :( Will it ever end for them? This is just terrible.

:praying: Please please please let this be over for them.

karma-girl
03-13-2011, 10:39 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
BBC is updating every few minutes.

Peachy
03-13-2011, 10:39 PM
CNN is reporting smoke coming from reactor #1 and a hydrogen explosion from reactor #3.

Peliman
03-13-2011, 10:40 PM
NHK Live reporting is saying no Tsunami has occurred. The latest aftershock was a 6.2 and not powerful enough to cause a Tsunami. The Tsunami warning remains in effect for safety reasons but any waves should have been seen by now and they have not been seen.

Reannan
03-13-2011, 10:40 PM
Hi Peeples, CNN had an expert on radiation as a guest today. He said if one is exposed they can take an iodine pill as long as it is taken in the 24 hours after exposure. He said all it takes is one pill which would be for light exposure from a cloud. He said the radiation doesn't stay aloft very long. Later I heard there are many variables, like the amount of radiation you are exposed to and for how long.

I remember reading about the bombs we dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima and how deadly the radiation was. It never hurts to look back and I found this:

http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html

I would take the iodine.... to keep from getting thyroid cancer. But that doesn't do jack squat for any other organ system in the body! This is just horrible!!!

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:41 PM
CNN is reporting smoke coming from reactor #1 and a hydrogen explosion from reactor #3.

Oh, that's not good-- what's on fire?

Kimster
03-13-2011, 10:42 PM
Just got this CNN alert in my email:

-- NHK: Japan's nuclear safety and industrial agency report explosion at
Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant's No. 3 reactor.

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:42 PM
Hi Peeples, CNN had an expert on radiation as a guest today. He said if one is exposed they can take an iodine pill as long as it is taken in the 24 hours after exposure. He said all it takes is one pill which would be for light exposure from a cloud. He said the radiation doesn't stay aloft very long. Later I heard there are many variables, like the amount of radiation you are exposed to and for how long.

I remember reading about the bombs we dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima and how deadly the radiation was. It never hurts to look back and I found this:

http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html

Dang it those broke my heart :(

What humans can do to one another... never ceases to amaze me

Peachy
03-13-2011, 10:43 PM
Oh, that's not good-- what's on fire?

I'm not sure, yet. They said white smoke is coming from reactor #1.
Still getting details.

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:44 PM
NHK Live reporting is saying no Tsunami has occurred. The latest aftershock was a 6.2 and not powerful enough to cause a Tsunami. The Tsunami warning remains in effect for safety reasons but any waves should have been seen by now and they have not been seen.

Thanks, when they were reporting I could hear the sirens.. but maybe they are just setting them off to keep people away form the coast just in case...

mysteriew
03-13-2011, 10:44 PM
Video of Shinmoedake volcano
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=943_1300044490&comment_order=newest_first

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:44 PM
miyagi prefecture.. 2,000 bodies found

SuziQ
03-13-2011, 10:45 PM
Live coverage:

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=C2

Wise Old Owl
03-13-2011, 10:45 PM
Anderson just said they found 2,000 bodies just today in the prefecture around Sendai. It hasn't been added to the death toll yet.

scandi
03-13-2011, 10:47 PM
Quiche, thank you so much for posting this!!!!


I too thank you Quiche for posting that. It seems unbelievable to me that there was no warning for this. Isn't the tsunami center in Palmer Alaska for the Ring of Fire? Maybe that is the earthquake center.

Hope, that is the only word I can think of, that somehow God will spare these people from more destruction.

Reannan
03-13-2011, 10:47 PM
Dang it those broke my heart :(

What humans can do to one another... never ceases to amaze me

I know peeples!!! I have thought about the bombs we dropped to end WWII and that always broke my heart!!! I understood the need to end the war, but still...... how horrible. I think one of the things I love about all of you here at WS's is the fact that we truly do see the most horrible things the world has to offer.... and we somehow remain compassionate. HUGS to all of you, and to all of our brothers and sisters in Japan tonight. As soon as an opportunity arises, I want to help. Please let things settle down and let the wonderful Japanese people and the world get things back in order!

Kat
03-13-2011, 10:48 PM
miyagi prefecture.. 2,000 bodies found

My son is watching this on CNN peoples. He said that the bodies were found around the area of Sendai.

(He's almost 18 and that's what he's saying he heard reported by A. Cooper).

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:49 PM
The bodies are just being left where they are...:( Not even a proper burial for them right now

That is bad right.. leads to disease and stuff??

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:50 PM
My son is watching this on CNN peoples. He said that the bodies were found around the area of Sendai.

(He's almost 18 and that's what he's saying he heard reported by A. Cooper).

I"m just going by what is on the ticker (that is the only way i knew how to spell it LOL) I had to turn the volume off because the kids keep sneaking out of bed to listen/watch LOL

SuziQ
03-13-2011, 10:51 PM
The NHK reporter on the live feed sounds like a taped looped. Same thing over and over again. Weird???

i.b.nora
03-13-2011, 10:53 PM
Sendai is in the Miyagi Prefecture. It is the main city.

peeples
03-13-2011, 10:55 PM
Just saw an interview with a man and he started crying it seemed.... something about grown men crying gets to me.... :( :(

Quiche
03-13-2011, 10:55 PM
A comprehensive update of many facets of the disaster... no mention of the fire, though.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/tsunami-alert-new-quake-shakes-japan-as-battle-waged-against-nuclear-meltdown-20110313-1bt30.html

Peliman
03-13-2011, 10:57 PM
The bodies are just being left where they are...:( Not even a proper burial for them right now

That is bad right.. leads to disease and stuff??

It does but right now civil defense and the military are in triage right now. Seeking out live victims and removing them to proper hospitals or shelters. The burials will take place but the first priority is finding live victims.

Nancy2441
03-13-2011, 10:58 PM
Satellite photos of Japan, before and after the earthquake and tsunami

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/satellite-photos-of-japan-before-and-after-the-earthquake-and-tsunami-/2011/03/13/ABMplkT_gallery.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews#photo=1

Kimster
03-13-2011, 11:03 PM
Another CNN email alert:

-- Approximately 2,000 bodies found in Miyagi Prefecture on Japan's east coast,
Kyodo News Agency reported.

peeples
03-13-2011, 11:05 PM
600 people holding out in the radiation evacuation area... said they are staying for various reasons and have been told to stay indoors

scandi
03-13-2011, 11:07 PM
Satellite photos of Japan, before and after the earthquake and tsunami

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/satellite-photos-of-japan-before-and-after-the-earthquake-and-tsunami-/2011/03/13/ABMplkT_gallery.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews#photo=1

Thanks Nancy, Here is a map showing the areas in Japan affected:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2011/japan.quake/map/?hpt=T1

Peliman
03-13-2011, 11:07 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Japan's weather agency dismisses tsunami fears

BREAKING NEWS: So far no reports of injuries from No. 3 reactor's explosion: Edano

BREAKING NEWS: No reports of No. 3 reactor's container damaged: Edano

BREAKING NEWS: Major radiation leaks unlikely from No. 3 rector: Edano

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

Quiche
03-13-2011, 11:13 PM
The #3 reactor at Fukushima is believed to be intact...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20042709-503543.html



eta: Blast felt 30 miles away

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/*/Article_2011-03-13-AS-Japan-Earthquake-Nuclear-Crisis/id-64678dde29344cb4bd2a094b25e36056

Reannan
03-13-2011, 11:23 PM
The #3 reactor at Fukushima is believed to be intact...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20042709-503543.html



eta: Blast felt 30 miles away

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/*/Article_2011-03-13-AS-Japan-Earthquake-Nuclear-Crisis/id-64678dde29344cb4bd2a094b25e36056

Wow.... what a testimony to the architectural skills of Japanese buildings!!! I am glad it is felt to be intact, but a blast at a nuclear reactor that was felt 30 miles away, and we are supposed to think that is OK??? Hmmm.... holding out hope but being skeptical as usual (training, you know.... ). :waitasec:

not_my_kids
03-14-2011, 12:14 AM
Well, I was just checking in before bed...think I'll hang around for awhile now.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 12:24 AM
The below is on the front page of CNN, I don't see it in the article though.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said six people were injured after an explosion at the building housing the No. 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in northeastern Japan

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/13/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

KaylynnCouture
03-14-2011, 12:38 AM
Continued prayers for Japan.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 12:53 AM
Another title that doesn't match the article.

3 injured, 7 missing in blast at Japan nuke plant
By ERIC TALMADGE
and MARI YAMAGUCHI
Associated Press

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/51425561-68/workers-blast-explosion-injured.html.csp

mysteriew
03-14-2011, 12:57 AM
For the titles not matching the articles, sometimes that happens with breaking news. Check the articles in a bit.

CarmelEyesD
03-14-2011, 01:20 AM
I don't know if this has been posted yet:


"The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday. "
The officials added that American helicopters flying missions about 60 miles north of the damaged reactors became coated with particulate radiation that had to be washed off.
.........


"But the episodes showed that the prevailing winds were picking up radioactive material from crippled reactors in northeastern Japan"
read more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1

not_my_kids
03-14-2011, 01:32 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14military.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fw orld%2Fasia%2Findex.jsonp

American Navy officials in Japan said early Monday that 17 military personnel who had been aboard three helicopters assisting in the earthquake relief effort had been exposed to low levels of contamination.

not_my_kids
03-14-2011, 01:33 AM
You know it's bad when you can't even keep a running tally of who to pray for and it all just deteriorates into one big prayer of "Please, God..."

That's sort of where I'm at.

CarmelEyesD
03-14-2011, 01:47 AM
In 59 years, i have never seen and cannot imagine such devastation.

shana
03-14-2011, 01:56 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but Charity Navigator has a list of orgs and donor help re giving to the cause of Japan EQ & Tsunami:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1221

(I selected DRI as I've supported the 4-star org before, fwiw)

hth

Dark Knight
03-14-2011, 02:01 AM
The massive earthquake that struck northeast Japan Friday (March 11) has shortened the length Earth's day by a fraction and shifted how the planet's mass is distributed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110313/sc_space/howthejapanearthquakeshorteneddaysonearth

scandi
03-14-2011, 03:24 AM
Another title that doesn't match the article.

3 injured, 7 missing in blast at Japan nuke plant
By ERIC TALMADGE
and MARI YAMAGUCHI
Associated Press

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/51425561-68/workers-blast-explosion-injured.html.csp

Hi Suzi, On CNN I heard them say 2 were injured and 6 were missing at the #3 plant. I think there might be some misinformation crossing the wires because it is continual coverage and they have several journos on location now in Japan.

About a half an hour ago the reporter on CNN said they have 16 people working in that plant who are sick. I took that to mean from radiation. Did anyone hear anymore about that? The question was what about the workers at the nuclear plants ~ who is manning the plant to get the problems solved. So I guess the normal workers are still there. God Bless them all.

scandi
03-14-2011, 03:27 AM
The massive earthquake that struck northeast Japan Friday (March 11) has shortened the length Earth's day by a fraction and shifted how the planet's mass is distributed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110313/sc_space/howthejapanearthquakeshorteneddaysonearth

Simply amazing Dark Knight and thanks for that article. xox

Nova
03-14-2011, 03:40 AM
It's amazing how people talk about these quakes rated from 5-7 are so strong, can you imagine what that 8.9 must have been like, by comparison??

I've lived in California for more than 25 years, so I've experienced a few quakes in that range.

No, I cannot imagine an 8.9.

Moreover, for some reason, we talk a lot about Richter scale but very little about duration. One report I heard said buildings in Tokyo shook for 30 minutes after the 8.9 quake. (That doesn't mean the quake lasted that long; as I know from skyscrapers in downtown L.A., tall buildings are built on springs and rollers so that they shake instead of crumbling. Once they get started, they shake for a long time after the quake stops.)

But even though the quake didn't last for 30 minutes, it and the aftershocks have been lasting for a lot longer than any earthquake I've experienced.

Nova
03-14-2011, 03:49 AM
OH NO!!!!!
I have learned to have a tremendous amount of respect for the Japanese culture. I have read where the people are lining up patiently to purchase food. We are not seeing the looting and lawlessness we witness in the US. We could all learn a lot from watching them.
God bless them!!!

I praised the Japanese people and their culture earlier in this thread.

But every culture has positive and negative attributes.

The Japanese have strong senses of honor and decorum that serve them well after a disaster. But it also made them all too ruthlessly loyal 75 years ago when their leaders decided to conquer Eastern and Southeastern Asia.

(ETA: This post sounds unduly harsh under the circumstances, but I do think we should be cautious is praising the virtue of civic obedience. Nonetheless, if one had to pick a place to endure such a catastrophe anywhere in the world, Japan might well be the top choice.)

Peliman
03-14-2011, 06:55 AM
So it continues, reactor #2 reporting exposed fuel rods. I hope the radiation can be contained in this one as well.

(Reuters) - Water levels have fallen far enough to partly expose fuel rods at reactor No.2 of Tokyo Electric Power's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant which was hit by a massive earthquake, Jiji news agency reported on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/japan-nuclear-rods-idUSTKB00733420110314

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 09:25 AM
(Reuters) - Nuclear fuel rods at a quake-stricken Japanese nuclear reactor are now fully exposed, Jiji news agency said, quoting the plant's operator, Tokyo Eletcric Power Co .

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/japan-quake-rods-idUSTKB00733720110314

Trident
03-14-2011, 10:19 AM
"TOKYO (AP) - Tokyo Electric Power Co. says three workers have been injured and seven are missing after an explosion at the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=14241627

hockeymom
03-14-2011, 10:21 AM
Its so confusing to try and sort through all this information. Is it being downplayed? I think this is unchartered territory for everyone and they just don't know what to say or expect. Either way,I don't think its very good.

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 10:24 AM
I just heard on FOX that several of our military personnel returned to their boat and were contaminated. They were evaluated and decontaminated and everything was ok - but still the military is moving our boats away from the "downwind" of these plants.

What's that tell ya?

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 10:29 AM
I just heard on FOX that several of our military personnel returned to their boat and were contaminated. They were evaluated and decontaminated and everything was ok - but still the military is moving our boats away from the "downwind" of these plants.

What's that tell ya?

If it wasn't for this and the Associated Press reporters reporting they felt the blast 25 miles away....we wouldn't know much at all. I want someone independent getting and giving information on these plants. I don't want to see the owner giving out non info like I did yesterday.

peeples
03-14-2011, 10:37 AM
I 100% agree SuziQ... thanks wasn't enough... an independent source needs allowed in and allowed to report at least to the heads of states and countries if not the public.....

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 10:38 AM
Obama is speaking at an elementary school right now, I hope he doesn't read "My Pet Goat". *snicker.

gypsyblue
03-14-2011, 10:38 AM
I agree it is being downplayed,

scary...

and we are being told it would dissipate before hitting the US, but then we have this...

While federal officials expected little danger in the United States from Japanese plumes, they were taking no chances. On Sunday, Energy Department officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the agency was working on three fronts. One main player is the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. Officials said they had activated its National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, which draws on meteorologists, nuclear scientists and computer scientists to forecast plume dispersal.

Separately, energy officials said the agency was readying plans to deploy two-person monitoring and sampling teams, if necessary. The teams would travel to consulates, military installations and Navy ships to sample the air in a coordinated effort to improve plume tracking.

Finally, the department was preparing what it calls its Aerial Measuring System. Its detectors and analytical equipment can be mounted on a variety of aircraft. Officials said the equipment and monitoring team are staged out of the department’s Remote Sensing Laboratory at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, and are on two-hour call.

“We’re on top of this,” a department official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=2

gypsyblue
03-14-2011, 10:39 AM
Obama is speaking at an elementary school right now, I hope he doesn't read "My Pet Goat". *snicker.

:floorlaugh:

Quiche
03-14-2011, 10:56 AM
Shoot, exposed fully exposed rods equal full meltdown. This is just devastating. :(


ooops, I have a link http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110314/110314_japan_nuclear/20110314/?hub=CP24Home

Quiche
03-14-2011, 11:16 AM
So, the #1 reactor had a hydrogen explosion a couple of days ago, the #3 reactor had a similar explosion last night (for us), and now the #2 reactor has lost its cooling pumps and has fully exposed its fuel rods.

Imo, if they lose one, they all go. What a frightening mess.

Allusonz
03-14-2011, 11:19 AM
So, the #1 reactor had a hydrogen explosion a couple of days ago, the #3 reactor had a similar explosion last night (for us), and now the #2 reactor has lost its cooling pumps and has fully exposed its fuel rods.

Imo, if they lose one, they all go. What a frightening mess.

I don't believe anyone truly understands what the ramifications of all of this will be short, mid or long term

I must agree though they will probably all go into meltdown. Oh wow terribly sad

Herding Cats
03-14-2011, 11:28 AM
The news (MSNBC and FOX) have stated that there is a meltdown occuring. FOX just did a weather report, and stated that if the vapors get into the jet stream, the entire west coast may be at risk. However, all of Tokyo is now at risk, as the local winds are blowing from north to south.

In other words, all hell has broken loose.

God help us all.

Best-
Herding Cats

Quiche
03-14-2011, 11:31 AM
Some different information--

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/world-holds-breath-hoping-rods-will-cool-20110314-1bujw.html


The technicians at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant would be operating from a shielded control room and relying on equipment that remotely monitored the reactor vessel, experts said.

They were in a ''separate bunker some distance away that can survive a nuclear incident and where the people can keep working'', John Price, an adjunct professor at Monash University and a former member of the safety policy unit of the National Nuclear Corporation UK, said.


and also

The Japanese government said in a statement last night that radiation levels around the No. 3 reactor had not risen after yesterday's hydrogen blast - another indication that the core had not been breached.

But the US 7th Fleet, which was close to Japan, repositioned its ships further from the reactor complex at Fukushima, after it detected elevated levels of radiation.

peeples
03-14-2011, 11:33 AM
"They were in a ''separate bunker some distance away that can survive a nuclear incident and where the people can keep working'', John Price, an adjunct professor at Monash University and a former member of the safety policy unit of the National Nuclear Corporation UK, said."

Thank goodness they are safe.. but I imagine they are scared to death for their families :(

mysteriew
03-14-2011, 11:34 AM
I agree it is being downplayed,

scary...

and we are being told it would dissipate before hitting the US, but then we have this...

While federal officials expected little danger in the United States from Japanese plumes, they were taking no chances. On Sunday, Energy Department officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the agency was working on three fronts. One main player is the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. Officials said they had activated its National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, which draws on meteorologists, nuclear scientists and computer scientists to forecast plume dispersal.

Separately, energy officials said the agency was readying plans to deploy two-person monitoring and sampling teams, if necessary. The teams would travel to consulates, military installations and Navy ships to sample the air in a coordinated effort to improve plume tracking.

Finally, the department was preparing what it calls its Aerial Measuring System. Its detectors and analytical equipment can be mounted on a variety of aircraft. Officials said the equipment and monitoring team are staged out of the department’s Remote Sensing Laboratory at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, and are on two-hour call.

“We’re on top of this,” a department official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=2

I don't think they really know what is going to happen, but are trying to downplay it to prevent panic. They don't really have that many examples of this kind of disaster, so most of what they are saying is theoretical not experience. There was Chernobyl in the past, but Russia severely limited and even lied about what was happening there. And there was three mile island, which was smaller and IMO the info was whitewashed.

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 11:35 AM
Just a little thing that I tend to do. I listen to what every outlet (media) is saying. BUT I WATCH more of what the governments involved and especially our MILITARY does are far as movements, deployments, type of gear worn, etc.

Remember only believe HALF of what you see and NOTHING that you hear!

I will be paying close attention to our military movements in the next day or two.


FOX is now reporting - Japan: It is likely meltdown is underway in three reactors.
15 of our warships have been "temporarily" moved out of "harm's way".

THIS IS NOT GOOD.

peeples
03-14-2011, 11:36 AM
Well for the panic thing... I heard this morning on CNN that some people are panicking in Japan...I was only half awake though and now the kids are playing Wii so i can't watch or listen.......

Quiche
03-14-2011, 11:37 AM
"They were in a ''separate bunker some distance away that can survive a nuclear incident and where the people can keep working'', John Price, an adjunct professor at Monash University and a former member of the safety policy unit of the National Nuclear Corporation UK, said."

Thank goodness they are safe.. but I imagine they are scared to death for their families :(

I don't know that they're really safe-- I read a bit in an article (can't imagine which one, now) that said they don't have air circulation, so they've had to open the door to the outside. Not good.

I find it interesting that Japan still says no higher radiation, and a Navy ship is getting nailed. I hope they get a little more forthright.

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 11:42 AM
Isn't one of those reactors that one that is running some "hybrid" type of fuel - they called is "mox" and its radiation is much much higher than the regulars?

I'm wondering if the second explosion (or maybe even the first) breeched containment vessels - meaning even though they are pumping in the sea water, it can't be contained (or caught and kept - like in a bowl or pot) - so the water just runs right back off which would expose those fuel rods. Kinda like trying to fill a bucket that has a big ole hole in the bottom of it - KWIM?

mysteriew
03-14-2011, 11:44 AM
I don't know that they're really safe-- I read a bit in an article (can't imagine which one, now) that said they don't have air circulation, so they've had to open the door to the outside. Not good.

I find it interesting that Japan still says no higher radiation, and a Navy ship is getting nailed. I hope they get a little more forthright.

Too an extent they can be excused for some lack of communication right now. Their government itself is probably in some disarray following the quake and the crisis. The info is probably mostly getting out via spokesmen, who don't see the figures and statistics they only know what the are being told. And the people who are actually in the know are rather busy with trying to control the crisis and probably communicating with the decision makers.

To their credit though it sounds like they are accepting outside help and advice. Which means not only their experts but also the world experts will be advising.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 11:46 AM
Isn't one of those reactors that one that is running some "hybrid" type of fuel - they called is "mox" and its radiation is much much higher than the regulars?

I'm wondering if the second explosion (or maybe even the first) breeched containment vessels - meaning even though they are pumping in the sea water, it can't be contained (or caught and kept - like in a bowl or pot) - so the water just runs right back off which would expose those fuel rods. Kinda like trying to fill a bucket that has a big ole hole in the bottom of it - KWIM?

Or spritzing water on a very hot bed of coals...

Mox is used in the #3 reactor, its fuel is plutonium rather than uranium.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel

peeples
03-14-2011, 11:49 AM
I read an article t hat said due to the pressure issues putting the sea water on there, was like "adding water to a water balloon that is already full..." we cannot tell how much is actually getting in...."

Peliman
03-14-2011, 11:58 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Radiation twice the maximum seen so far detected at nuke plant Monday: TEPCO

Quiche
03-14-2011, 11:59 AM
Steel walls all that stand between Japan and nuclear crisis

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/us-japan-quake-explosion-idUSTRE72D4SS20110314

and

* Neighboring countries could be the first to sound the alarm about a major radioactive leak, as happened with Chernobyl, according to Jennex of San Diego State University. In Japan's case, that would most likely be Korea, China or Russia.

peeples
03-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Steel walls all that stand between Japan and nuclear crisis

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/us-japan-quake-explosion-idUSTRE72D4SS20110314

and

* Neighboring countries could be the first to sound the alarm about a major radioactive leak, as happened with Chernobyl, according to Jennex of San Diego State University. In Japan's case, that would most likely be Korea, China or Russia.

I hope someone is keeping an eye on those countries newspapers so we can find out when.if they find something. Although maybe they'd let other governments know first before letting the public know....???
I'd have hubs translate the russian but he's gone :(

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 12:04 PM
I have to wonder, too, if the radiation is contaminating the water, how far from the contamination area itself will be affected. Japan was once surrounded by some of the most beautiful coral reefs in the world. Today, many still survive but many others have already been damaged and were under rebuilding efforts. Work has been progressing to reseed these reefs with coral frags grown in aquaculture or maricultured farms to help repopulate the reefs with living organisms once abundant there. My fear is the reefs surrounding Japan will be dealt a quadruple blow this week: damage from the quake itself (shoreline shifted 8 feet); tsunami damaging the reefs; pollution runoff once waters recede from land; radiation contamination. Not only will the loss of the reefs be a blow due to their beauty and the fact that many Japanese reef dwellers are found no where else on the planet, the reefs are a major source of food for fish which are a staple in Japanese diets.

mysteriew
03-14-2011, 12:14 PM
I have to wonder, too, if the radiation is contaminating the water, how far from the contamination area itself will be affected. Japan was once surrounded by some of the most beautiful coral reefs in the world. Today, many still survive but many others have already been damaged and were under rebuilding efforts. Work has been progressing to reseed these reefs with coral frags grown in aquaculture or maricultured farms to help repopulate the reefs with living organisms once abundant there. My fear is the reefs surrounding Japan will be dealt a quadruple blow this week: damage from the quake itself (shoreline shifted 8 feet); tsunami damaging the reefs; pollution runoff once waters recede from land; radiation contamination. Not only will the loss of the reefs be a blow due to their beauty and the fact that many Japanese reef dwellers are found no where else on the planet, the reefs are a major source of food for fish which are a staple in Japanese diets.

Yeah I've thought of that. And the radiation fallout will cause problems for years to come.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 12:18 PM
I believe cesium has a 30-year half-life. We have monitors out in WA now to detect cesium levels. :(

Quiche
03-14-2011, 12:19 PM
This is a way this disaster will affect us right away.

http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-time-dow-jones/52456/-some-importers-to-test-japanese-products-for-radiation-risk

peeples
03-14-2011, 12:21 PM
this is on the CNN homepage at the Top

"Fuel rods in earthquake-damaged Japanese nuclear reactor have become exposed again, Kyodo News agency reports."

BBM- wasn't aware they were the first time

peeples
03-14-2011, 12:23 PM
Something to make us smile amidst all the sadness

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=182565&catid=40

Quiche
03-14-2011, 12:31 PM
Bless the efforts of the person(s) keeping this page updated!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 12:44 PM
Something to make us smile amidst all the sadness

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=182565&catid=40

Awww...how sweet!

JustToSeeYouSmile
03-14-2011, 12:50 PM
Keep up the good work VATF1 and CATF2... lots of thoughts and prayers with you.

<He said two U.S. urban search and rescue teams, with 144 staff and 12 dogs, had begun work at first light on Monday looking for people trapped in the rubble in buildings flattened by the tsunami that followed Friday's 8.9-magnitude quake.>

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 01:02 PM
LATEST UPDATE: Japanese officials say nuclear fuel rods appear to be melting inside all three of the most troubled reactors as rescuers equipped with chain saws and hand picks dig out bodies and look for survivors in devastated coastal towns

http://www.foxnews.com/

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 01:02 PM
Japanese officials confirmed Monday that nuclear fuel rods appear to be melting inside three reactors compromised by Friday’s earthquake, though nuclear experts differ on whether the outer chamber of a reactor melting in fact constitutes a partial “meltdown.”
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Monday that "although we cannot directly check it, it's highly likely happening."



Ummmmmmm.........since you can't "directly" check it ?


http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/japanese-officials-nuclear-fuel-rods-melting-in-3-reactors-20110314

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 01:03 PM
LATEST UPDATE: Japanese officials say nuclear fuel rods appear to be melting inside all three of the most troubled reactors as rescuers equipped with chain saws and hand picks dig out bodies and look for survivors in devastated coastal towns

http://www.foxnews.com/

CNN live talking about it now...........

Trident
03-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Isn't one of those reactors that one that is running some "hybrid" type of fuel - they called is "mox" and its radiation is much much higher than the regulars?

I'm wondering if the second explosion (or maybe even the first) breeched containment vessels - meaning even though they are pumping in the sea water, it can't be contained (or caught and kept - like in a bowl or pot) - so the water just runs right back off which would expose those fuel rods. Kinda like trying to fill a bucket that has a big ole hole in the bottom of it - KWIM?

Here's what I found about MOX, some good info, and some common sense:

This is truly Sickening! In fact it really makes you wonder WHY they did not have 100 safety precautions in place! How dare they use MOX in a nuclear power plant in a place that is known for the biggest quakes and tsunamis! Besides Japan putting their plants right along side the ocean!
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-exploded-nuclear-plant-uses-mox.html

burbqueen
03-14-2011, 01:08 PM
I know this sounds crazy but I love Japan. I am not a strong believer in past lives but when I went to japan it was so weird. As if I was home or something. It creeped me out totally. This just makes me sad.

I've seen 2 documentaries on Chernobyl, I suggest anyone interested on the mass destruction of a nuclear meltdown try to sit through a doc on Chernobyl. It unnerved me to say the least. The cancer, the two headed animals, the spooky ghost towns.Scary stuff.

SurfieTX
03-14-2011, 01:19 PM
I know this sounds crazy but I love Japan. I am not a strong believer in past lives but when I went to japan it was so weird. As if I was home or something. It creeped me out totally. This just makes me sad.

I've seen 2 documentaries on Chernobyl, I suggest anyone interested on the mass destruction of a nuclear meltdown try to sit through a doc on Chernobyl. It unnerved me to say the least. The cancer, the two headed animals, the spooky ghost towns.Scary stuff.

burbq, have you read this yet about Chernobyl? It is...well...Just read through the chapters, you'll see..

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

hockeymom
03-14-2011, 01:21 PM
Don't know if anyone has posted this site yet,but it basically expalins the whole nuclear plants in Japan and the progression of how things are and can occur. Looks like it was started on the 12th,but is being updated,as events occur. Its rather scary.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/


Qustion for anyone...when we dropped the atomic bombs in Japn,how come our west coast didn't recieve fallout,or did it?

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 01:21 PM
Lufthansa scans Japan flights for radioactivity

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110314-33713.html

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 01:26 PM
CBS News, Ustream.TV: CBS News behind the scenes live news coverage.

live briefing on nuclear emergency (((((from the white house)))))

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 01:26 PM
Bananas are radioactive? lol, Who knew...........


Bananas are radioactive enough to regularly cause false alarms on radiation sensors used to detect possible illegal smuggling of nuclear material at US ports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

coastal
03-14-2011, 01:48 PM
Don't know if anyone has posted this site yet,but it basically expalins the whole nuclear plants in Japan and the progression of how things are and can occur. Looks like it was started on the 12th,but is being updated,as events occur. Its rather scary.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/


Qustion for anyone...when we dropped the atomic bombs in Japn,how come our west coast didn't recieve fallout,or did it?
Now that is a good question!
(Off to research...)

Trident
03-14-2011, 01:51 PM
Don't know if anyone has posted this site yet,but it basically expalins the whole nuclear plants in Japan and the progression of how things are and can occur. Looks like it was started on the 12th,but is being updated,as events occur. Its rather scary.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuclear-reactor-meltdown/


Qustion for anyone...when we dropped the atomic bombs in Japn,how come our west coast didn't recieve fallout,or did it?


I believe the bombs were atomic, not nuclear, a different kettle of fish.

Hmmm, now I'm off to research a bit more.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 01:55 PM
Updated 1:30 p.m. ET
SOMA, Japan - Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.

Water levels were restored after the first decrease but the rods remained exposed late Monday night after the second episode, increasing the risk of the spread of radiation and the potential for an eventual meltdown.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20042753-503543.html?tag=stack

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 01:58 PM
TAKAJO, Japan – A tide of bodies washed up along Japan's coastline Monday, overwhelming crematoriums, exhausting supplies of body bags and adding to the spiraling humanitarian, economic and nuclear crisis after the massive earthquake and tsunami.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_130

raisincharlie
03-14-2011, 02:03 PM
Update from NEI - as of 30 minutes ago:

http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:03 PM
WTH are they only showing the #1 explosion which just engulfs the plant? The #3 is the real deal, imo-- reached toward the sky.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/03/14/news/photos_stories/japan_blast--300x300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/meltdown_fears_rise_after_rods_at_LTbywcAFvhyqtnnU bTVRcN&usg=__1-FvkOjsFSBCTqLMBY-H6796pc0=&h=300&w=300&sz=19&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=dWr4gSfZZtrN6M:&tbnh=143&tbnw=165&ei=OFh-TbH5GIS4sQO26sSIAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosion%2Bof%2B%25233%2Breactor%26h l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26gbv%3D2%26t bs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=318&vpy=78&dur=2279&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=135&ty=164&oei=OFh-TbH5GIS4sQO26sSIAw&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

compared to the #1 explosion

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/03/12/Fukushima_explosion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/03/massive-explosion-rips-through.html&usg=__YNl7tug_1EEOrErYG8beOj87fpQ=&h=315&w=600&sz=75&hl=en&start=37&zoom=1&tbnid=Bo339QJXBp70sM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=169&ei=ZFp-TaOyN5KcsQPs-52KAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosion%2Bof%2B%25233%2Breactor%26h l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26gbv%3D2%26t bs%3Disch:10%2C646&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=803&vpy=328&dur=2692&hovh=163&hovw=310&tx=176&ty=157&oei=OFh-TbH5GIS4sQO26sSIAw&page=3&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:37&biw=1280&bih=582

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 02:06 PM
very interesting!

60 minutes refresher on chernobyl

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20042660-10391709.html?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.1

Melanie
03-14-2011, 02:13 PM
Yup, all three seem to be melting.

Japanese officials say the nuclear fuel rods appear to be melting inside all three of the most troubled nuclear reactors - AP

http://www.breakingnews.com/seed/ahBicmVha2luZ25ld3Mtd3d3cg0LEgRTZWVkGKvA7AIM/2011/03/14/japanese-officials-say-the-nuclear-fuel-rods-appear-to-be-melting-inside-all-three-of-the-most-troubled-nuclear-reactors-ap

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:16 PM
Another image of #3

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.indiainfoline.com/Admin/InfoNewImages/628505461_LS_japan_explosion.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Explosion-at-Fukushima-Daiichi-reactor-No.-3/5103897337&usg=__9Dmz_iD-Mk0pclZdudn8ks59WAk=&h=200&w=300&sz=30&hl=en&start=92&zoom=1&tbnid=_UJfkBrk6GtRXM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=168&ei=EFt-TaOcH5HGsAP2po37Ag&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexplosion%2Bof%2B%25233%2Breactor%26h l%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26gbv%3D2%26t bs%3Disch:10%2C2204&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=496&vpy=193&dur=1616&hovh=160&hovw=240&tx=81&ty=120&oei=OFh-TbH5GIS4sQO26sSIAw&page=6&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:92&biw=1280&bih=582

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:21 PM
Seattle man who designed the plant...

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/437052_reactorman13.html

Hopeful One
03-14-2011, 02:32 PM
At this link, it sounds like things are fairly under control. Or am I reading it wrong? Yet other sites say with much certainty that there is a meltdown under way. So which is it??

http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/
UPDATE AS OF 1:30 P.M. EDT, MONDAY, MARCH 14:
Unit 2 at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant lost a significant amount of reactor coolant for a second time on Monday. Some of the uranium fuel rods were uncovered for a period of time. A malfunctioning safety relief valve at the plant caused an increase in reactor pressure and hindered injection of coolant back into the reactor. The cause of the relief valve failure is under investigation.

The Japanese government has distributed 230,000 units of potassium iodine to evacuation centers in the area surrounding the Fukushima Daiichi and Fukushima Daini stations, according to officials. Ingestion of potassium iodine can help prevent the accumulation of radioactive iodine in the thyroid.

At the Fukushima Daini site all units have off-site power, and water levels in all units are stable. Plant operators at Daini Unit 1 were able to restore a residual heat remover system, which is now being used to cool the reactor. Work is in progress to achieve a cold shutdown. Workers at Daini Units 2 and 4 are working to restore residual heat removal systems. Unit 3 is in a safe, cold shutdown.

Radiation dose rate measurements observed at four locations around the Daini plant´s perimeter over a 16-hour period on Sunday were all normal.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 02:35 PM
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/14/6267912-rescuers-but-no-one-left-to-rescue-in-natori

Natori, a coastal town in Japan, was virtually wiped out by the earthquake and tsunami. Rescue workers began to arrive on Monday, but they found few people to rescue. NBC News’ Ian Williams is one of the few reporters to reach what is left of the coastal town. He spoke by phone on Monday.

not_my_kids
03-14-2011, 02:39 PM
I'm just going to stop going to sleep. Every time I wake up, it's to more bad news.
How close together are the individual reactors (1, 2 and 3) at the Fukishima plant?

Are they all going to go in a chain reaction if one goes into full meltdown? Or are they far enough apart to maybe avoid that (Not that is seems to matter much, at the this point, since it looks like they are all about to go anyway.) Just curious.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:43 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/asia/15nuclear.html?hp


EXCERPT:
The plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power, said late Monday that repeated efforts to inject seawater into the reactor had failed, causing water levels inside the reactor’s containment vessel to fall and exposing its fuel rods. After what at first appeared to be a successful bid to refill the vessel, water levels again dwindled, this time to critical levels, exposing the rods almost completely, company executives said.

Workers were having difficulty injecting seawater into the reactor because its vents — necessary to release pressure in the containment vessel by allowing radioactive steam to escape — had stopped working properly, they said.

The more time that passes with fuel rods uncovered by water and the pressure inside the containment vessel unvented, the greater the risk that the containment vessel will crack or explode, creating a potentially catastrophic release of radioactive material into the atmosphere — an accident that would be by far the worst to confront the nuclear power industry since the explosion of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant 25 years ago.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:44 PM
Here is an image of the plant

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/Fukushima-daiichi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/a-busy-persons-guide-to-Japans-nuclear-threat/&usg=__k4cpSMdW7aAC0FfONlC5VhuY3xc=&h=270&w=470&sz=128&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=nFm2tKSeaKDn0M:&tbnh=108&tbnw=188&ei=_2F-TdTaCIn4swPNn5zbBQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfukushima%2Bdaiichi%2Bplant%26hl%3Den %26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26 gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=671&vpy=253&dur=5813&hovh=170&hovw=296&tx=143&ty=103&oei=_2F-TdTaCIn4swPNn5zbBQ&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0

Here's an image after the #3 explosion

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/3/14/c2b2d559-7506-49eb-8600-0a8a859a563c_500.jpg&imgrefurl=http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2&usg=__4LLIowiW2Gan0azjfAXF0A92D-Y=&h=303&w=500&sz=35&hl=en&start=18&zoom=1&tbnid=BwPD-4iWKV9kMM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=171&ei=PGh-TZSlDIT4sAPBmtySBg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfukushima%2Bdaiichi%2Bafter%2Bexplosi on%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfire fox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C304&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=825&vpy=279&dur=4442&hovh=175&hovw=289&tx=181&ty=157&oei=NGh-TfmOMIyasAO2nIzbBQ&page=2&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:18&biw=1280&bih=582

not_my_kids
03-14-2011, 02:47 PM
Here is an image of the plant

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/Fukushima-daiichi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/a-busy-persons-guide-to-Japans-nuclear-threat/&usg=__k4cpSMdW7aAC0FfONlC5VhuY3xc=&h=270&w=470&sz=128&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=nFm2tKSeaKDn0M:&tbnh=108&tbnw=188&ei=_2F-TdTaCIn4swPNn5zbBQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfukushima%2Bdaiichi%2Bplant%26hl%3Den %26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26 gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=671&vpy=253&dur=5813&hovh=170&hovw=296&tx=143&ty=103&oei=_2F-TdTaCIn4swPNn5zbBQ&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0

So in other words, yes, they seem to be that close together. ~sigh~

I do commend the Japanese people for having hope in the face of all of this. I don't know if I would be able to maintain hope, especially if I were in an area that is being affected by all of this...God help them, keep them, bless them.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Japan's nightmare gets even WORSE: All THREE damaged nuclear reactors now in 'meltdown' at tsunami-hit power station
By RICHARD SHEARS
Last updated at 5:09 PM on 14th March 2011
Comments (168)
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Fuel rods appear to be melting inside three over-heating reactors
Experts class development as 'partial meltdown'
Molten fuel could burn through reactor safety shields
Earlier blast at Fukushima nuclear plant felt 25 miles away
Eleven workers injured after hydrogen ignited
180,000 people have been evacuated from the area
Engineers desperately trying to cool reactors with sea water
Up to 160 people so far exposed to radiation


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365781/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Second-explosion-rips-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz1GbKyHZEc

Quiche
03-14-2011, 02:53 PM
Shite, this is a scary map... from Teh's link


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/14/article-1365781-0B2B79A700000578-450_634x410.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366055/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Navy-crew-months-radiation-1-HOUR.html&usg=__aCpWfpAQ_y1OoX0om85cNwhLal4=&h=410&w=634&sz=88&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=s6Ewh9J3p9X3hM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=185&ei=P2V-Tf3qLY6csQP05tjgBQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dimage%2Bof%2Bpotential%2Bfallout%2Bda ilymail%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3 Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D582%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=394&vpy=101&dur=1547&hovh=180&hovw=279&tx=151&ty=122&oei=P2V-Tf3qLY6csQP05tjgBQ&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0


Okay, here it is.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 02:58 PM
Quiche,........I wish we could connect that one with an advertiser. I think we'll start seeing more of these dealing with the what if's.

Peliman
03-14-2011, 02:58 PM
Well let's all pray for the containment vessels holding up. I don't compare this to Chernobyl but it's up there. I just hope those containment vessels hold up. I also can't compare this to Hiroshima because those were explosions which reached into the jet stream and the atomic particles attached to dust from the blast. I have no idea about the fallout dispersal of those bombs.

My knowledge of nuclear comes from military training and not nuclear power. I'm really not expecting fallout to be a problem for the US but I could be wrong. Looking at history, Japan has done very well since the attacks.

Did I say I loved the people of Japan, IMO great people. Some of my best memories are from Yokohama.

I only feel badly for what they're going through, I can only send positive thoughts.

wfgodot
03-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Miracle of baby girl plucked from the rubble: four-month-old reunited with father after incredible rescue (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366155/Japan-earthquake-survivor-reunited-baby-daughter--tsunami-warning-sounds.html)

For days, he must have feared his baby girl was dead.

Helpless in the rubble following the massive earthquake and subsequent tsunami, the baby girl had survived for three days in the remains of the city of Ishinomaki in the state of Miyagi.

A short article with two pictures, at link above

Quiche
03-14-2011, 03:29 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/radiation-exposure-things/story?id=13131122

How on earth are they going to manage this?

EXCERPT:

During a radiation emergency, such as fears of a nuclear plant explosion, you may be advised to create a "shelter in place." This means you should stay inside your home or office, or perhaps another confined area indoors. To keep your shelter in place effective, you should: close and lock all doors and windows; turn off fans, air conditioners, or

Quiche
03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
Miracle of baby girl plucked from the rubble: four-month-old reunited with father after incredible rescue (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366155/Japan-earthquake-survivor-reunited-baby-daughter--tsunami-warning-sounds.html)



A short article with two pictures, at link above

She's so clean! Like a flower in the rubble... :)

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/radiation-exposure-things/story?id=13131122

How on earth are they going to manage this?

EXCERPT:

During a radiation emergency, such as fears of a nuclear plant explosion, you may be advised to create a "shelter in place." This means you should stay inside your home or office, or perhaps another confined area indoors. To keep your shelter in place effective, you should: close and lock all doors and windows; turn off fans, air conditioners, or
Yep yep yep - and I've also heard you should duct tape around all doors and windows to help create a seal. But I don't know how that works - does your A/C air handler filter any outside air coming in?

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Yep yep yep - and I've also heard you should duct tape around all doors and windows to help create a seal. But I don't know how that works - does your A/C air handler filter any outside air coming in?

That's assuming you have power, I think you can take power out of the mix.

coastal
03-14-2011, 03:44 PM
Japan's nightmare gets even WORSE: All THREE damaged nuclear reactors now in 'meltdown' at tsunami-hit power station
By RICHARD SHEARS
Last updated at 5:09 PM on 14th March 2011
Comments (168)
Videos
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Fuel rods appear to be melting inside three over-heating reactors
Experts class development as 'partial meltdown'
Molten fuel could burn through reactor safety shields
Earlier blast at Fukushima nuclear plant felt 25 miles away
Eleven workers injured after hydrogen ignited
180,000 people have been evacuated from the area
Engineers desperately trying to cool reactors with sea water
Up to 160 people so far exposed to radiation


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365781/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Second-explosion-rips-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz1GbKyHZEc
Then there's this:

Japan nuclear disaster risk seen receding fast

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/japan-nuclear-radiation-risk-idUSLDE72D19720110314

>>>snip

Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:27pm EDT

* Stricken nuclear cores cooling naturally

* Little chance of big leak, three reactors written off

By Gerard Wynn LONDON, March 14 (Reuters) - The risk of a major radiation leak in Japan is subsiding as stricken nuclear reactors cool, but there will be major clean-up costs and three reactors will probably be written off, experts said on Monday....

<...>
(article continues)

<<<snip
(EDT = Eastern Daylight Time - http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/c065.gif who knew? )
(ETA: GMT = Monday, March 14 7:48:21 p.m.; CST = 12:48 p.m.; time in Tokyo = Tuesday, March 15 4:51:16 a.m.)

coastal = http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/a035.gif

Peliman
03-14-2011, 03:46 PM
The easy explanation which goes for chemical and biological hazards also.

Three things are needed to complete the chain.

The contaminating agent, fallout, virus, gas etc.

Eliminate one of the following three things and you remove the threat.

1. Eliminate the offending agent, fallout, virus, gas etc.
2. Eliminate the carrier - the exposed air, water/streams, rockets etc.
3. Remove the victim = move the victim from the affected area before exposure.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 03:51 PM
The conflicting stories are driving me nuts. You would think with anything this serious, they could get it right.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 03:51 PM
List of radioactivity monitoring sites...

http://ppalme.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/list-of-radiation-radioactive-nuclear-fallout-monitoring-websites/

coastal
03-14-2011, 03:53 PM
I know I want to google for the answer, but the questions keep changing so fast!

Quiche
03-14-2011, 03:54 PM
Pressure falls in #2, but rods are still exposed

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/pressure-falls-in-fukushima-reactor-no-2-but-fuel-rods-exposed/1

Quiche
03-14-2011, 04:05 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12733393

An important little tidbit...


Quote:

Four of the five pumps used to administer cooling seawater were believed to have been damaged by the blast at reactor 3.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Yep yep yep - and I've also heard you should duct tape around all doors and windows to help create a seal. But I don't know how that works - does your A/C air handler filter any outside air coming in?

We have friends who live down by Hanford and those closest had lil emergency kits which they had to use once. He said they were essentially plastic and duct tape. LOL

Quiche
03-14-2011, 04:10 PM
"Officially in meltdown"

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_14_2011_fukushima.html

peeples
03-14-2011, 04:11 PM
We have friends who live down by Hanford and those closest had lil emergency kits which they had to use once. He said they were essentially plastic and duct tape. LOL

Sounds like the red cross flood kits that were handed out in the floods of 2008. A small container of bleach, a roll of paper towels and 1 pair of latex gloves LOL

Peliman
03-14-2011, 04:25 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12733393

An important little tidbit...


Quote:

Four of the five pumps used to administer cooling seawater were believed to have been damaged by the blast at reactor 3.

For reactor #2, this little tidbit.

Despite its earlier attempt to do so, however, water levels sharply fell and the fuel rods were fully exposed for about 140 minutes in the evening as a fire pump to pour cooling seawater into the reactor ran out of fuel and it took time for workers to release steam from the reactor to lower its pressure, the government's nuclear safety agency said.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77943.html

Quiche
03-14-2011, 04:26 PM
How the earthquakes are going...

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

Quiche
03-14-2011, 04:29 PM
For reactor #2, this little tidbit.

Despite its earlier attempt to do so, however, water levels sharply fell and the fuel rods were fully exposed for about 140 minutes in the evening as a fire pump to pour cooling seawater into the reactor ran out of fuel and it took time for workers to release steam from the reactor to lower its pressure, the government's nuclear safety agency said.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77943.html

What do you think, Peli? Are they going to get a handle on them?

Peliman
03-14-2011, 04:36 PM
What do you think, Peli? Are they going to get a handle on them?

We can only hope Quiche, one thing worries me in a meltdown after everything is melted together. I've heard the resulting temperture in the vessel could/would be hot enough to melt steel. I'm in a we'll wait and see mode right now. I sure hope the vessel's don't get compromised.

If they do get compromised, I'm sure a plan B,C,D,F is in place.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 04:45 PM
jmhoo but there has to be a LARGE amt of panic control going on right now in terms of info being released...

for anyone interested in brushing up on chernobyl here is an excellent documentary ((also excellent site for all documentaries you may be looking for))

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/

peeples
03-14-2011, 05:01 PM
CNN talking about a radiatin spike.. but then the kids started fighting..

I also found this little pamplet that was said to be made for kids...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZfgWQlQI0t8/TX5gfD87aVI/AAAAAAAAA_Y/k1GBG7KhERo/s1600/fukushima_resource_for_kids.jpg

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:02 PM
jmhoo but there has to be a LARGE amt of panic control going on right now in terms of info being released...

for anyone interested in brushing up on chernobyl here is an excellent documentary ((also excellent site for all documentaries you may be looking for))

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/

Such a tiny amount of smoke coming out after the initial explosion, and so lethal....

peeples
03-14-2011, 05:05 PM
Found this don't know helpful this link is.. but i'm just reading everything i can get my hands on :)

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/

Nova
03-14-2011, 05:34 PM
Found this don't know helpful this link is.. but i'm just reading everything i can get my hands on :)

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/

I can't tell you how much it reassures me to see that nuclear physicists themselves can't agree on what has already happened, much less what will happen next... :maddening:

(ETA: But thank you, peeples. I didn't mean my above remark to imply you shouldn't have brought us the link.)

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:36 PM
NURSE..........I felt much better BEFORE I started watching your link.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 05:38 PM
Here's a nice sized shot of the plant after the explosions-- #1 is on the lower left. Notice the level of damage to the mox fueled reactor, center.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rrB-tNbUgIk/TX5ELCR_aSI/AAAAAAAAFQI/CJdTpLObyVs/s1600/fukushima_after_explosions.jpg

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 05:42 PM
CNN is talking about an explosion today - I'm confused. Has there been a THIRD explosion or are they talking about the second explosion - but that was yesterday!?!

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:47 PM
WOO, I think they are talking about yesterdays......but IDK. We are getting such crazy news bites, I give up.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 05:51 PM
I've heard rumors of a third explosion, but can't verify. :confused:

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 05:52 PM
Here's a nice sized shot of the plant after the explosions-- #1 is on the lower left. Notice the level of damage to the mox fueled reactor, center.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rrB-tNbUgIk/TX5ELCR_aSI/AAAAAAAAFQI/CJdTpLObyVs/s1600/fukushima_after_explosions.jpg
Well that certainly doesn't look very good now does it?

hockeymom
03-14-2011, 05:52 PM
Because of the conflicting stories and nobody agreeing on anything,it leads me to believe that truelly nobody has a clue as to what is happening. We here at WS are probably more informed!!! That is a scary thought!!!

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:54 PM
Well that certainly doesn't look very good now does it?

Looks like the pics of Chernobyl to me, but what do I know?

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 05:54 PM
Live coverage. It's almost 7am Tuesday morning:

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1