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Trident
03-14-2011, 05:56 PM
Because of the conflicting stories and nobody agreeing on anything,it leads me to believe that truelly nobody has a clue as to what is happening. We here at WS are probably more informed!!! That is a scary thought!!!

I spend most of my time on here because I get more news than I do from the TV. Everyone here is listening, looking, researching, and sharing the info.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Scrolling across CNN.........they have asked for expert help to deal with reactors.

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 05:59 PM
I wish I could be a cockroach in the war room of the USS Ronald Reagan. Can you imagine what must be going on there and what they KNOW?

There is a reason they moved that super carrier upwind! They saw the radiation levels on those soldiers when they came back aboard.

PS - I said cockroach because they can withstand a nuclear winter.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 05:59 PM
Emergency cooling effort failing at Japanese reactor, deepening crisis
HIROKO TABUCHI, KEITH BRADSHER and MATT WALD, NYT News Service | Mar 15, 2011, 12.34am IST

TOKYO: Japan's struggle to contain the crisis at a stricken nuclear power plant worsened sharply early on Tuesday morning, as emergency operations to pump seawater into one crippled reactor failed at least temporarily, increasing the risk of an uncontrolled release of radioactive material, officials said.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Emergency-cooling-effort-failing-at-Japanese-reactor-deepening-crisis/articleshow/7705671.cms

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:04 PM
What would be the best organization to donate to where most of the proceeds go to the victims and not admin. I know there was a lot of problems during Haiti with only a small percentage of the donations actually making it to the people. Can I designate that I want my money to be funneled into that relief effort?

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:07 PM
I remember Doctors without Borders were stymied by the lack of supplies. Would donating directly to them get much needed supplies to them faster or was all that more about moving supplies due to infrastructure breakdown?

i.b.nora
03-14-2011, 06:10 PM
http://www.google.com/crisisresponse/japanquake2011.html

perhaps the Japanese Red Cross would help most immediately.

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:10 PM
Also, has anyone ever heard of this organization...are they legit? In addition to the people, I'd like to make a donation to help with all the homeless pets. Is there a better organization for the animals? I know there needs for food on Cat Island as well but not sure how to get anything there.

http://www.arkbark.net/?q=en/node/2901

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:14 PM
Also, has anyone ever heard of this organization...are they legit? In addition to the people, I'd like to make a donation to help with all the homeless pets. Is there a better organization for the animals? I know there needs for food on Cat Island as well but not sure how to get anything there.

http://www.arkbark.net/?q=en/node/2901

They are legit, I've heard of them a lot :)

In addition to them maybe check with best friends animal sanctuary and see if they have anything set up. I donate to them regularly

There is some place online where you can check on charities and find out how much of your donation goes to operating costs that kind of thing...
It might be non profit watch or something like that....

i.b.nora
03-14-2011, 06:14 PM
It seems to me that most of the people that are living need food, water, shelter and things like that which the Red Cross would be equipped to provide. It appears, unlike in Haiti, there aren't that many injured people and, that they do have the ability to get them to hospitals.

There are a great number of dead people that need to be taken care of. Not sure who helps with that.

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:16 PM
Also, has anyone ever heard of this organization...are they legit? In addition to the people, I'd like to make a donation to help with all the homeless pets. Is there a better organization for the animals? I know there needs for food on Cat Island as well but not sure how to get anything there.

http://www.arkbark.net/?q=en/node/2901

Oops, hit the Paypal button to donate and it's entirely in Japanese so I guess that's not an option.

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:20 PM
here is an update on cat island

http://www.facebook.com/#!/consciouscat
first posting on the wall

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:21 PM
Oops, hit the Paypal button to donate and it's entirely in Japanese so I guess that's not an option.

LOL well that doesn't help......

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:23 PM
here ya go

found this online about helping..

Please note that the donation links for the organizations in Japan take you to the Japanese language version of PayPal. Once you enter the amount of your donation in Japanese yen (4000 yen is roughly $50 US), and enter your PayPal login information, it takes you to an English PayPal page and you can complete the donation.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 06:24 PM
Oh dear...

About Japan:
The country's government has previously been accused of covering up nuclear accidents and hampering the development of alternative energy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/14/japan-radiation-leak-cover-up

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 06:29 PM
Quiche, that's what I've been afraid of. They aren't giving out the radiation levels? If they were not covering something up....there would be no reason to hide them.

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:29 PM
Okay, I'm getting the Yen sign asking how much I want to donate. I've never done anything like this. Can anyone give a breakdown of say, how many yen =$100.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 06:31 PM
From Quiche's linkage:


"The actions of the Japanese government are completely contrary to their words. They have evacuated 180,000 people but say there is no radiation. They are certain to have readings but we are being told nothing." He said a radiation release was suspected "but at the moment it is impossible to know. It was the same at Chernobyl, where they said there was a bit of a problem and only later did the full extent emerge."

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:31 PM
here is an update on cat island

http://www.facebook.com/#!/consciouscat
first posting on the wall

I read up on the island. Have you seen pics of some of the houses shaped like cats? Interesting read for sure. Thanks for the Facebook page...I'll follow along.

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:32 PM
Okay, I'm getting the Yen sign asking how much I want to donate. I've never done anything like this. Can anyone give a breakdown of say, how many yen =$100.

Up above where i copied and pasted it says 4,000 is equal to like $50

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:33 PM
That is what i've been afraid of all along :( Not for me.. for them.. for the people who are walking around and in the shelters.. 1 person walks in exposed and exposes 100 more people :( :( :(

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:33 PM
Okay, I'm getting the Yen sign asking how much I want to donate. I've never done anything like this. Can anyone give a breakdown of say, how many yen =$100.

So, I did some research and it looks like:

$100 US = 8164.9983 Yen. Yikes! I"d be afraid to type that in...can that be right?

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 06:35 PM
From Quiche's linkage:


"The actions of the Japanese government are completely contrary to their words. They have evacuated 180,000 people but say there is no radiation. They are certain to have readings but we are being told nothing." He said a radiation release was suspected "but at the moment it is impossible to know. It was the same at Chernobyl, where they said there was a bit of a problem and only later did the full extent emerge."
AND

don't mind that US military super carrier that decided to move upwind today.

(Kinda like don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain type deal - KWIM?)

Quiche
03-14-2011, 06:37 PM
I had NO idea! :mad:

Excerpt:
Concerns about a radiation release from the Fukushima Daiichi [1] power facility have focused on its stricken nuclear reactors, but the plants of that design also store highly radioactive spent fuel in pools outside the protective containment structure that surrounds the reactor itself.

Opponents of nuclear power have warned for years that if these pools drain, either by accident or terrorist attack, it could lead to a fire and a catastrophic release of radiation. Now, there have been hydrogen explosions [2] at two of the reactor buildings housing spent fuel pools at Fukushima.


http://www.propublica.org/article/status-of-spent-nuclear-fuel-in-question-at-crippled-japanese-power-plant

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:37 PM
So, I did some research and it looks like:

$100 US = 8164.9983 Yen. Yikes! I"d be afraid to type that in...can that be right?

That looks right I'd just round it off to 8100

Reality Orlando
03-14-2011, 06:38 PM
That is what i've been afraid of all along :( Not for me.. for them.. for the people who are walking around and in the shelters.. 1 person walks in exposed and exposes 100 more people :( :( :(

This seems surreal...as if I just left one of those disaster movies that you think can never really happen. It's so overwhelming to think that just a couple days ago these people were going through their lives much the same as we are today. I feel really frustrated wanting to do something to help and not knowing exactly what. My heart hurts for these people.

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:49 PM
UGH i'm still watching that movie posted earlier....

so scary!!

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/

scandi
03-14-2011, 06:58 PM
So here is something to make you proud, the USS Ronald Reagan being deployed from it's home in Coronado Ca to Japan:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/charting-the-tsunami-a-day-after-the-earthquake-in-japan-uss-ronald-reagan-diverts-to-bring-aid#photo-4729441

Just think, 6000 troops aboard xox
http://o1.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/e5cbeda847c2f315e1057258f306cafb

peeples
03-14-2011, 06:59 PM
So here is something to make you proud, the USS Ronald Reagan being deployed from it's home in Coronado Ca to Japan:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/charting-the-tsunami-a-day-after-the-earthquake-in-japan-uss-ronald-reagan-diverts-to-bring-aid#photo-4729441

Just think, 6000 troops aboard xox

I pray they were all debriefed on radiation. I'm proud of our men and women just as scared for them as I am the people of Japan.

Trident
03-14-2011, 07:01 PM
I had NO idea! :mad:

Excerpt:
Concerns about a radiation release from the Fukushima Daiichi [1] power facility have focused on its stricken nuclear reactors, but the plants of that design also store highly radioactive spent fuel in pools outside the protective containment structure that surrounds the reactor itself.

Opponents of nuclear power have warned for years that if these pools drain, either by accident or terrorist attack, it could lead to a fire and a catastrophic release of radiation. Now, there have been hydrogen explosions [2] at two of the reactor buildings housing spent fuel pools at Fukushima.


http://www.propublica.org/article/status-of-spent-nuclear-fuel-in-question-at-crippled-japanese-power-plant

I read this elsewhere, and wasn't sure I wanted to believe it. Can this be true?

Quiche
03-14-2011, 07:05 PM
I read this elsewhere, and wasn't sure I wanted to believe it. Can this be true?

This diagram is pretty convincing... I'm shaking my head.

http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/ucs-spent-fuel-report#document/p6


eta: this article goes into detail regarding the spent fuel storage at Fukushima.

http://www.dcbureau.org/201103141303/Natural-Resources-News-Service/fission-criticality-in-cooling-ponds-threaten-explosion-at-fukushima.html

scandi
03-14-2011, 07:05 PM
I pray they were all debriefed on radiation. I'm proud of our men and women just as scared for them as I am the people of Japan.

ITA Peeples, We learned the carrier drove thru a radiation cloud and then parked NE of where it normally would have parked. And also that 16 troops were affected by radiation from a rescue mission they were on.

shana
03-14-2011, 07:11 PM
2308: An explosion is heard at Fukushima's second reactor, the Kyodo news agency reports.

2311: The news agency said the blast was heard at 0610 local time on Tuesday (2110 GMT Monday). No other details were immediately announced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 07:13 PM
CNN is now reporting a NEW explosion at the plant.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 07:15 PM
Okay, so #2 still had it's outer chamber... crossing fingers it's another hydrogen blast.

scandi
03-14-2011, 07:23 PM
See you in a couple of hours. Thanks for everyone contributing as it is such an involved circumstance. xox

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 07:29 PM
An explosion was heard Tuesday morning at the Japanese nuclear reactor that has been of greatest concern in the wake of the country's devastating earthquake and tsunami, which damaged the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.
The cause of the explosion at Unit 2 and the conditions at the site weren't immediately clear, but the news heightened anxiety over the precarious state of the facility.
The fuel rods in all three of the most troubled Japanese nuclear reactors -- each of which lost its cooling system in Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami -- appear to be melting, the nation's chief government spokesman said earlier Monday.
"Although we cannot directly check it, it's highly likely happening," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told reporters.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/14/new-explosion-heard-troubled-japanese-nuclear-plant-damaged-earthquake-tsunami/#ixzz1GcVGnwKQ

oh my

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 07:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12740843

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:32 PM
NHK reporter says news conference any moment.

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

Kimster
03-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Just got this on my CNN email alert:

-- An "explosive impact" occurred at the No. 2 reactor at a quake-damaged
nuclear power plant in Japan, plant's owner says.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:37 PM
Officials keep apologizing for causing concern. Ordering operators to evacuate. Reporters at presser asking pressing questions. Asking why are you apologizing if this isn't serious? Reporter says you aren't answering our questions. You keep apologizing. What is the nature this time? Is it serious? Whoa, reporters have had enough.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:39 PM
I get the impression this was not a hydrogen blast. A talking head said while waiting for presser that this blast actually is the containment vessel this time.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:41 PM
Official keeps repeating the same technical issues, but will not say what it means. Dancing around the issue. Would like to confirm numbers and explain later. Whaaaaa? These guys are not going to answer any questions directly.

peeples
03-14-2011, 07:41 PM
Lovely press conference UGHHHHHHHHHHH

Herding Cats
03-14-2011, 07:42 PM
FOX is reporting that a leak is happening now...not sure how, the Japanese gov is stating that the #2 reactor is likely leaking now.

God help everyone.

Best-
Herding Cats

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:43 PM
Now saying there maybe problem with the pressure guage instead of damage to the suppresion pool. (oh yeah, the guage blew up. Right)

Lato
03-14-2011, 07:45 PM
They are all sitting with their heads bowed - and are not answering any
questions directly. This presser is of real concern.

Melanie
03-14-2011, 07:46 PM
So here is something to make you proud, the USS Ronald Reagan being deployed from it's home in Coronado Ca to Japan:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/charting-the-tsunami-a-day-after-the-earthquake-in-japan-uss-ronald-reagan-diverts-to-bring-aid#photo-4729441

Just think, 6000 troops aboard xox
http://o1.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/e5cbeda847c2f315e1057258f306cafb

Makes a San Diegan PROUD!! I'm so blessed to see this ship head on out to help another country!

Mel

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:46 PM
The reporters are basically saying if all is ok, then why evacuate the operators. Answers not making sense and reporters are calling them on this.

peeples
03-14-2011, 07:47 PM
I just wish they'd be honest. I don't blame them for what is happening.. it was a series of natural disasters that caused this....but if they aren't being honest, they are making it worse :(

Trident
03-14-2011, 07:48 PM
I don't know what to think any more. I believe I understand why all the apologies, it is a cultural thing, a losing of face, so to speak. But, I don't understand why no one knows, or will say WHAT blew up and WHAT it means. Maybe "they" don't know?

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:49 PM
Aha! Admitting that damage to container vessel (the last safeguard) could have caused the pressure to the supression pool to drop.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 07:51 PM
Well the way I'm understanding it, unless the guage malfunctioned, the container vessel is damaged. I don't think a gauge would have made an explosive sound soooo.......

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 07:53 PM
Anyone know which way the wind is blowing now?

Quiche
03-14-2011, 07:53 PM
Pressure went down, and radiation went up suddenly. Staff members evacuated.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 07:57 PM
My heart aches so badly these last few days....

peeples
03-14-2011, 07:58 PM
can someone explain this in laymans terms pretty please :)
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/14/news/international/bank_of_japan_earthquake/index.htm?cnn=yes&hpt=T2

apanese officials said Monday they will backstop the country's financial system with a cash injection of more than $180 billion to buffer it against the impact of last week's devastating earthquake and tsunami.

The Bank of Japan doubled the size of its existing asset-purchase program to 10 trillion from 5 trillion. In addition it pumped an additional 10 trillion into the economy through a record "funds-supplying" operation, bringing the total new cash to 15 trillion, or about $183 billion.

ETA: shouldn't all that money go to helping the people?? I don't understand what they are doing with it.....

Quiche
03-14-2011, 07:58 PM
NNE wind

Melanie
03-14-2011, 07:59 PM
I don't know what to think any more. I believe I understand why all the apologies, it is a cultural thing, a losing of face, so to speak. But, I don't understand why no one knows, or will say WHAT blew up and WHAT it means. Maybe "they" don't know?

When I heard the newscaster on CNN say:We had a explosion "of sorts" I about fell out of my chair.

Of sorts? Really?

:banghead:

Mel

Peliman
03-14-2011, 07:59 PM
The reporters are basically saying if all is ok, then why evacuate the operators. Answers not making sense and reporters are calling them on this.

If I had to interpret this move, it means they are abandoning the plant and allowing all three reactors to melt down. Nothing more the operators can do. Now it's left for the main containment vessels to withstand the meltdown.

I suppose we'll hear more later but really it's no sense in exposing any more victims. JMO

Speculating

cluciano63
03-14-2011, 08:01 PM
I just hope that with all of the concerns regarding the reactors, etc...that the immediate needs of food, water, shelter, rescue etc...are not being forgotten by anyone who is able to help. It seems as the news is fixated (granted, rightly so) with the nuclear aspect of the disaster.

Trident
03-14-2011, 08:03 PM
IF #2 blew up, like I believe happened at Chernobyl? What does that mean to ALL of us, Japanese, American, and the world? This is really bothering me.

First off, if something vital, like the containment vessel around the core and rods, that would mean a LOT of radiation is going out of there - deadly to LOTS of people in the area. If lots of radiation goes into the air, how much? Another big cloud like Chernobyl, one that will go around the world several times? Will the U.S. Pacific Coast get a good dose of radiation? I'm not sure, at this moment, what the worst scenario could mean for any of us out of the area. Any ideas?

Trident
03-14-2011, 08:04 PM
can someone explain this in laymans terms pretty please :)
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/14/news/international/bank_of_japan_earthquake/index.htm?cnn=yes&hpt=T2

apanese officials said Monday they will backstop the country's financial system with a cash injection of more than $180 billion to buffer it against the impact of last week's devastating earthquake and tsunami.

The Bank of Japan doubled the size of its existing asset-purchase program to 10 trillion from 5 trillion. In addition it pumped an additional 10 trillion into the economy through a record "funds-supplying" operation, bringing the total new cash to 15 trillion, or about $183 billion.

ETA: shouldn't all that money go to helping the people?? I don't understand what they are doing with it.....

It's like setting a backfire using money.

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:05 PM
#4 reactor has damage to the roof

peeples
03-14-2011, 08:05 PM
IF #2 blew up, like I believe happened at Chernobyl? What does that mean to ALL of us, Japanese, American, and the world? This is really bothering me.

First off, if something vital, like the containment vessel around the core and rods, that would mean a LOT of radiation is going out of there - deadly to LOTS of people in the area. If lots of radiation goes into the air, how much? Another big cloud like Chernobyl, one that will go around the world several times? Will the U.S. Pacific Coast get a good dose of radiation? I'm not sure, at this moment, what the worst scenario could mean for any of us out of the area. Any ideas?

I have no idea.. but i have the exact same questions.. I saw a map earlier that showed it flowing as far east as Chicago.. and it wasn't the company plaid map either.. but another one. It's back a few threads....

peeples
03-14-2011, 08:06 PM
It's like setting a backfire using money.

I'm totally ignorant on huge financial matters... but is this to replace the cash in banks ruined from the earthquake and flood??

gibby207
03-14-2011, 08:08 PM
Pictures of food, water, surviving...

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/03/world/hires.japan.faces/?hpt=T1

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 08:08 PM
NNE wind
I guess that means the Ronald Reagan needs to move again - IIRC last I saw it was stationed NE of the plant!

gibby207
03-14-2011, 08:10 PM
Here's the map Peeples was talking about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365781/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-All-3-Fukushima-nuclear-plant-reactors-meltdown.html

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:10 PM
Damage to containment vessel, and potentially the suppression tank, may cause radiation leak.


eta: Damage seen at Fukushima #2 reactor

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/japan-quake-damage-idUSTKG00709320110314

Trident
03-14-2011, 08:16 PM
I'm totally ignorant on huge financial matters... but is this to replace the cash in banks ruined from the earthquake and flood??

I'm no financial genius either, just used to play the stock market a lot. I believe it means they are going to "prop" up their economy, back it, with government dollars so the whole economy doesn't collapse - sort of like a "push" in black jack - equal (more or less)

My opinion anyway

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Listening here...

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

JBean
03-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Here's the map Peeples was talking about:
Hi GIbby. We really need links to source for pictures,articles etc. Can you post a link for your map? Thank you!

Peliman
03-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Off hand I don't know what the radiation reports mean in measurement, not wrapped my head around it yet.

BREAKING NEWS: Radiation at Fukushima plant briefly hits 8,217 micro sievert per hour: TEPCO

BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO detects radiation of 8,217 micro sievert per hour, 8 times annual limit

BREAKING NEWS: Water level rises to cover 1.2 m of No. 2 reactor's fuel rods: TEPCO

Blast heard at Fukushima's No.2 reactor: gov't

NEWS ADVISORY: 1,300 people isolated in Kesennuma, Miyagi Pref.

BREAKING NEWS: Lower pressure after blast suggests damage to suppression pool: agency

BREAKING NEWS: Lower pressure after blast triggers damage to suppression pool: agency

BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive materials feared to be leaking: safety agency

BREAKING NEWS: Higher radiation levels measured in Ibaraki -- south of Fukushima

BREAKING NEWS: Some workers begin to evacuate No. 2 reactor: TEPCO

AT&T, Verison offer free int'l calling, text messages to Japan

BREAKING NEWS: Radiation tops legal limit after blast heard at Fukushima nuke plant

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/


URGENT: Blast heard at Fukushima's No.2 reactor: gov't

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 08:23 PM
Vapor on top
#3, don't know what it is..........cnn live stream

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:24 PM
Vapor emitting from reactor #3 at Fukushima power plant.


eta: Microsievert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsievert

OldSteve
03-14-2011, 08:25 PM
A couple of thoughts.... it's amazing that these nuclear plants were not designed to withstand multiple threats. (All IMO with the limited info I get from the news.)
The diesel backup generators were too venerable to water damage – as tsunami following a quake should have thought of. So despite all the expense and effort in building very substantial reactor vessels, the more simple area of protecting diesel generators was overlooked (IMO).

The focus on the news has been how well the reactor vessels were designed, but never-the-less the these complexes are just that, and as a system - it failed in terms of remaining a viable system. Using sea-water is a last resort, self-destruct action.
In the long run, it’s going to cost allot of money to clean up.

I am not against nuclear power, but can it be done right? I wouldn’t want to live close to a power plant, fearing not enough thought has been given to “what if’s” -not only for natural disasters, but terrorist threats and combinations of all of the above.

Lastly, my heart goes out to brave people who are working at these reactor sites, sacrificing their safety to avert disaster.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 08:26 PM
Winds blowing south until noon Tuesday (today)

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:26 PM
IF #2 blew up, like I believe happened at Chernobyl? What does that mean to ALL of us, Japanese, American, and the world? This is really bothering me.

First off, if something vital, like the containment vessel around the core and rods, that would mean a LOT of radiation is going out of there - deadly to LOTS of people in the area. If lots of radiation goes into the air, how much? Another big cloud like Chernobyl, one that will go around the world several times? Will the U.S. Pacific Coast get a good dose of radiation? I'm not sure, at this moment, what the worst scenario could mean for any of us out of the area. Any ideas?
I think it means we all get to look forward to a lot of cancers down the road that are never blamed on the radiation or the explosion... unfortunately.

moo

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 08:28 PM
Listening here...

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1
Here just said that the 8217 micro sievert per hour is equal to 3 times the annual exposure

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:29 PM
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2011/03/201131423284550745.html


video here

Trident
03-14-2011, 08:32 PM
I think it means we all get to look forward to a lot of cancers down the road that are never blamed on the radiation or the explosion... unfortunately.

moo

In other words, another Chernobyl?

peeples
03-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Hi GIbby. We really need links to source for pictures,articles etc. Can you post a link for your map? Thank you!

That was my bad.. I just couldn't remember where i saw it and i still can't...... but that is the right map.. I'll keep looking for the llink sorry

ScorpRising
03-14-2011, 08:35 PM
I think it means we all get to look forward to a lot of cancers down the road that are never blamed on the radiation or the explosion... unfortunately.

moo

Kind of OT... There are cancer clusters east of TMI #2 that most people don't know about... and that was a small leak...

Oh, and it's not from the radiation... btw... sure it's not.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:35 PM
In other words, another Chernobyl?I truly hope that the human race has learned lessons from chernobyl.... do I believe it? not sure.....

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:35 PM
In other words, another Chernobyl?

You know, they've keep reiterating that this is no Chernobyl, but heck, four reactors lined up ready to go? I think it may well outdo Chernobyl. :(

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 08:36 PM
In other words, another Chernobyl?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say worse........Chernobyl was only one, I'm afraid this is going to be at least one possibly 3.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:38 PM
8:02 p.m. ET A third blast in four days rocked the quake-damaged Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant early Tuesday, the country's nuclear safety agency reported.

The explosion at Dai-ichi Unit 2 -- at 6:10 a.m. Tuesday local time -- followed two hydrogen explosions as authorities try to avoid a catastrophic release of radiation in the tsunami-devastated area, The Associated Press reported.

Plant owner Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the blast happened near the suppression pool in the reactor's containment vessel. The pool was later found to have a defect. The company said some employees were temporarily evacuated following Tuesday's explosion.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/03/fears-of-third-explosion-at-nuclear-plant-at-least-10000-believed-dead.html

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:38 PM
Japan's nightmare gets even WORSE: All THREE damaged nuclear reactors now in 'meltdown' at tsunami-hit power station
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Last updated at 5:09 PM on 14th March 2011
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Fuel rods appear to be melting inside three over-heating reactors
Experts class development as 'partial meltdown'
Molten fuel could burn through reactor safety shields
Earlier blast at Fukushima nuclear plant felt 25 miles away
Eleven workers injured after hydrogen ignited
180,000 people have been evacuated from the area
Engineers desperately trying to cool reactors with sea water
Up to 160 people so far exposed to radiation


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365781/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Second-explosion-rips-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz1GbKyHZEc

This is the article with peeples map.

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 08:39 PM
Ok - just heard another lil tidbit.

She said that 3200 micro sievert per hour was measured at 9PM last night and that 3200 was 6 times the normal level.

Sooooooooo, 8217 would be almost 3 times higher or 18 TIMES normal levels. Me thinks that is very very dangerous.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Hi GIbby. We really need links to source for pictures,articles etc. Can you post a link for your map? Thank you!

Oh, I'm sorry... the link was ahead a few pages and I tried looking but I'm lost at which one. :( I think it was the one Peeples changed.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Another presser? More rambling IMO.

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3&hpt=T1

gibby207
03-14-2011, 08:43 PM
Off hand I don't know what the radiation reports mean in measurement, not wrapped my head around it yet.

BREAKING NEWS: Radiation at Fukushima plant briefly hits 8,217 micro sievert per hour: TEPCO

BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO detects radiation of 8,217 micro sievert per hour, 8 times annual limit

BREAKING NEWS: Water level rises to cover 1.2 m of No. 2 reactor's fuel rods: TEPCO

Blast heard at Fukushima's No.2 reactor: gov't

NEWS ADVISORY: 1,300 people isolated in Kesennuma, Miyagi Pref.

BREAKING NEWS: Lower pressure after blast suggests damage to suppression pool: agency

BREAKING NEWS: Lower pressure after blast triggers damage to suppression pool: agency

BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive materials feared to be leaking: safety agency

BREAKING NEWS: Higher radiation levels measured in Ibaraki -- south of Fukushima

BREAKING NEWS: Some workers begin to evacuate No. 2 reactor: TEPCO

AT&T, Verison offer free int'l calling, text messages to Japan

BREAKING NEWS: Radiation tops legal limit after blast heard at Fukushima nuke plant

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/


URGENT: Blast heard at Fukushima's No.2 reactor: gov't

omg... Thank you for posting the free calling from Verizon. I'm bawling just knowing this. (I'm on Verizon.) I've been trying to call my friend every day using Vopium on my BlackBerry and it just doesn't work. The program is fine but I think his cell is toast at this point, and the restaurant varies but nothing. Nobody.

gibby207
03-14-2011, 08:46 PM
This is the article with peeples map.

Thank you!!

Trident
03-14-2011, 08:47 PM
Ok - just heard another lil tidbit.

She said that 3200 micro sievert per hour was measured at 9PM last night and that 3200 was 6 times the normal level.

Sooooooooo, 8217 would be almost 3 times higher or 18 TIMES normal levels. Me thinks that is very very dangerous.

This is starting to move out of the realm of my understanding.

Let me say this now, before anything worse happens. IF there is danger of a cloud going 'round and 'round and dumping radiation on the earth with every turn, take care with your young children - the ones roughly under 7, the ones who's thyroid glands are not finished growing. It is my understanding, from my cancerous daughter, that thyroid cancer gets in there prior while before the thyroid is finished growing. Perhaps nurse can help out on this one.

I'm not sure how anyone can protect them, but it might be worthwhile to look into it.

Don't mean to be Debbie Downer, or a rabble rouser, just saying, read up on it and take care - IF this develops into something as bad as Chernobyl.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 08:47 PM
Wow, I've never seen semantics applied like I have for this. Explosion is now "a sound", evacuation of operators is now "temporary". Keeps stating radiation level from last night before this recent incident.

ETA: they are calling an explosion a "big sound"

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:50 PM
all these semantics are for panic control imhoo..

not.

working.


eta: if a nuclear reactor with the rods exposed is making a "big sound"... man... I have no words at all...

do they realize that we are not sheeple?

Quiche
03-14-2011, 08:51 PM
I like their high tech picture board. lol

shana
03-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Union of Concerned Scientists has some educational info which may be of interest to some:

ABCs of Japan's Nuclear Reactor Disaster (http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/clarifying-japans-nuclear-disaster.html)

Reactor Core Cooling (http://allthingsnuclear.org/tagged/Japan_nuclear?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=head&utm_campaign=sp-nuke-head-3%2F13%2F2011-pm)

JBean
03-14-2011, 08:52 PM
That was my bad.. I just couldn't remember where i saw it and i still can't...... but that is the right map.. I'll keep looking for the llink sorry
We're good. Quiche supplied it and I inserted it into your post.
thank you for posting.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:53 PM
cnn live: they are saying that all operators not involved in water injection have been evacuated

belimom
03-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Kind of OT... There are cancer clusters east of TMI #2 that most people don't know about... and that was a small leak...

Oh, and it's not from the radiation... btw... sure it's not.

Same where I grew up -- we have a much higher cancer rate than the rest of the U.S. I was 6 years old and living 15 miles away when this accidental release of tritium occurred:

Significant quantities of radiation have also leaked into the environment. In 1974 the operators of the huge Savannah River weapons facility at Aiken, South Carolina, accidentally released some 435,000 curies of radioactive tritium in a single day--the largest single tritium emission ever reported in the U.S. Studies of the local water system show serious contamination, and there are preliminary indications of an escalated cancer rate among people living near the plant.

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/KOO8.html

wfgodot
03-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Potassium Iodide Runs Low as Americans Seek It Out (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703363904576201013720213564.html)

Supplies of potassium iodide, a preventive against radiation poisoning of the thyroid gland, are running low at some manufacturers, as Americans seek protection amid fears that radiation from Japan could head to the U.S., according to the companies.
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the rest at Wall Street Journal link above

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:54 PM
they just said there are cracks where liquid could leak out

cnn live

Kimster
03-14-2011, 08:54 PM
Man, watching the news is just making me want to CRY! People are hungry. Bodies are strewn around with no way to dispose of them. Humanitarians can't get in there. And those who ARE brave enough to go in are putting their own lives at risk because of the nuclear plants.

This is just beyond horrible!

:praying:

JBean
03-14-2011, 08:55 PM
Do you all want a new thread or will that mess you up?
Just thank this post if you want one and we'll figure it out.

SuziQ
03-14-2011, 08:56 PM
Man, I am getting PO'd at the doubletalk.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 08:59 PM
965.5 microsievert ((current reading)) near the crack

cnn live

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:00 PM
they just said "big sound" again... but no details

cnn live

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:01 PM
blast heard near the supression pool..

Reannan
03-14-2011, 09:01 PM
Wow.... this news just keeps getting worse! If the No. 3 reactor core has been breached and radioactive water has "leaked" out, that means problems for a long, long, time. I sure hope it doesn't get into the groundwater because that could spread the contamination to a large area of Japan! I can't even imagine how they are going to have to clean up radioactive water... it will leave everything it touches contaminated. Does anyone have any knowledge about the water tables and source of drinking water in Japan?

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 09:01 PM
they just said "big sound" again... but no details

cnn live

Another one????????????

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:03 PM
cannot say that fuel rods are not melting...

half of the rods are still exposed..

something wrong with vent flap

(cnn live)

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:04 PM
Another one???????????? no... they keep calling the explosion a "big sound"

big sound my cula!

Wise Old Owl
03-14-2011, 09:06 PM
no... they keep calling the explosion a "big sound"

big sound my cula!
yep they keep saying they "heard" - I guess that means the explosion was inside the containment and could not be seen and did not blow out the containment. So, all they did was "hear it". Oh IDK anymore.

CNN is back with Piers Morgan and he's got Anderson Cooper on the ground. Talking about the reactor again.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:06 PM
some workers at number 2 are now being evacuated: those not being used to help cool the reactor.

it was 3 atmospheric pressure and is now 1 atmospheric pressure which means that there could be cracks where gas or liquid could have leaked out

supression pool last line of defense for radiation leaking out

((cnn live))

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:10 PM
ronald reagan has been relocated ((the ship))

per cnn live

also that helicopters have had to have radioactive dust washed off after flying over number 1

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:12 PM
over 200 aftershocks have hit since the main quake..

there could be another 6 aftershock ((on japanese scale 0-7)) which could trigger more tsunami

((cnn live))

bessie
03-14-2011, 09:12 PM
Man, I am getting PO'd at the doubletalk.
You're not alone. I think it's high time for an official statement on the situation.

Penelope
03-14-2011, 09:15 PM
Fellow sleuthers-- I have been reading your comments and am very frightened and upset about what is happening. I am concerned for all living things on the Earth, and my prayers go to the Japanese people who are enduring an unimaginable horror.

This website -- World Nuclear News (http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Contamination_found_on_evacuated_residents-1303114.html) -- seems to has up-to-date information about contamination of the public as well as casualties, injuries and contamination of workers. I check it a few times a day.

hockeymom
03-14-2011, 09:22 PM
What happens if the workers just say,'the heck with this. I'm outta here"? What will happen? Will all the reactors just blow? How long can the workers just stay there and pour water on this thing. Won't the salt from the water eventually just deteriorate everything anyway? I pray for the poor people of Japan and all of mankind that is going to be effected.

I heard that rain is expected tomorrow which will stop the radiation from blowing around,but will bebad for the area near the plant as the radiation will sink into the ground.

Also,someone advised me if you can't find potassium iodine,that kelp from a healthfood store might be effective.

nursebeeme
03-14-2011, 09:22 PM
Fellow sleuthers-- I have been reading your comments and am very frightened and upset about what is happening. I am concerned for all living things on the Earth, and my prayers go to the Japanese people who are enduring an unimaginable horror.

This website -- World Nuclear News (http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Contamination_found_on_evacuated_residents-1303114.html) -- seems to has up-to-date information about contamination of the public as well as casualties, injuries and contamination of workers. I check it a few times a day.


from your link:

Opening the relief valve made injection possible again, but after a time pressure relief was again required. Injection has continued since that second venting operation but gauges still do not indicate that water levels are rising.

The Japan Atomic Industry Forum reported back statements from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) saying that Tepco made a notification at 8.50pm that some fuel rods were presumed broken, based on radiation detected.

JBean
03-14-2011, 09:23 PM
I am going to copy the last couple pages of posts to a new thread. So keep that in mind when posting.
This will just take a few minutes so hang on.

tehcloser
03-14-2011, 09:24 PM
Potassium Iodide Runs Low as Americans Seek It Out (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703363904576201013720213564.html)



the rest at Wall Street Journal link above


lol, not to worry.........look what I found:


If no tablets available, you can topically (on the skin) apply an iodine solution, like tincture of iodine or Betadine, for a similar protective effect. (WARNING: Iodine solutions are NEVER to be ingested or swallowed.) For adults, paint 8 ml of a 2 percent tincture of Iodine on the abdomen or forearm each day, ideally at least 2 hours prior to possible exposure. For children 3 to 18, but under 150 pounds, only half that amount painted on daily, or 4 ml. For children under 3 but older than a month, half again, or 2 ml. For newborns to 1 month old, half it again, or just 1 ml. (One measuring teaspoon is about 5 ml, if you don't have a medicine dropper graduated in ml.) If your iodine is stronger than 2%, reduce the dosage accordingly. Absorption through the skin is not as reliable a dosing method as using the tablets, but tests show that it will still be very effective for most. Do not use if allergic to iodine.


http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm

JBean
03-14-2011, 09:27 PM
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