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grandmaj
03-15-2011, 11:43 PM
You may share your theory here. Please remember what Tricia said in this thread.

According to District Attorney Ann Reed, Billie Dunn IS a person of interest. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Your theory has to be based on what we know. Not some imagined activity.

Please lets be responsible.

grandmaj
03-18-2011, 05:32 PM
:bump:

This is the thread for your theory peeps. Try to keep your theory out of the other topic threads. Thanks

curiousc
03-18-2011, 09:41 PM
Ok, the more and more I think of this, the more I think BD sacrificed Hailey to SA. I think she gave him the go ahead to do what he wanted with her. I know this sounds bizarre but she is so manipulating and controlling that I think she didn't herself get her hands dirty but was the one who concocted the alibi and knows where Hailey is and what happened. She also may think that since SA did it, she won't be found out.

WillenFan21
03-18-2011, 09:59 PM
Given the amounts of child porn that was found on SA and his comment to LE about her being promiscuous it is in my opinion that Hailey was raped and murdered. I think that Shawn KNEW Hailey would tell someone about it and therefore got rid of her so she didn't tell. I think that the promiscuous comment was his way of admitting he raped her more than one time. He said that in a way that people would take it as she was sexually active. He knew what he was doing there and I wonder if LE thought the same thing. As for Billie Dunn's involvement I don't think she had anything to do with what happened to her daughter. The only thing I think she has done is cover for Shawn's sorry disgusting ass. JMO

For The Kids
03-18-2011, 10:08 PM
Given the amounts of child porn that was found on SA and his comment to LE about her being promiscuous it is in my opinion that Hailey was raped and murdered. I think that Shawn KNEW Hailey would tell someone about it and therefore got rid of her so she didn't tell. As for Billie Dunn's involvement I don't think she had anything to do with what happened to her daughter. The only thing I think she has done is cover for Shawn's sorry disgusting ass. JMO

Right now..im not sure whose ass looks the most disgusting to be honest.

Given what we know..that Shawn at LEAST was into child porn..and in a big way with the amount of images there were i believe Billie had to know about this. I THINK Billie was into him big time..maybe he did love Billie but i think the big attraction for him was Hailey and i believe Billie knew this. We know that Hailey wanted to live with her dad and there was a argument at Chnstmas and that for whatever reason Hailey was killed. Although i have no doubts Shawn knows what happened and helped to hide Hailey..i 100% think it was Billie who did whatever happened :(

cluciano63
03-19-2011, 01:35 AM
All I can say is I feel that Billie knows what happened to Hailey and has known all along. I feel as though she is the one who created the stories they would give and the alibis, etc. and drilled them into SA's head and told him not to deviate from the script.

I can't get a feel for whether or not she was actually involved in the act(s), but I'm not convinced she wasn't either.

TexasTNT
03-19-2011, 11:23 AM
IMO the Xbox is significant.

HD and SA playing Xbox game. Possibly having a good time since "everyone got what they wanted for Christmas". Some flirting from SA to HD. BD flies into a rage and something happens to HD caused by BD. BD and SA only go to work on that Monday to try to build an alibi.

BD leaves it to SA to clean up the mess. DD interrupts the cleaning.

All is my opinion and my opinion only.

What I find interesting is the following:

LEO out of Garza County - computer forensics specialist.
Dist. Judge out of Midland County - issues warrant for Howard County based on findings from Garza County.

So many LEO from various counties involved in one form or another.

Had HD not "disappeared" all of the CP, etc. might never have been found.

BD and SA were making $$$$$$$$ off all that CP etc.


Again, MOO!

Ellebelle
03-19-2011, 11:36 AM
Given the amounts of child porn that was found on SA and his comment to LE about her being promiscuous it is in my opinion that Hailey was raped and murdered. I think that Shawn KNEW Hailey would tell someone about it and therefore got rid of her so she didn't tell. I think that the promiscuous comment was his way of admitting he raped her more than one time. He said that in a way that people would take it as she was sexually active. He knew what he was doing there and I wonder if LE thought the same thing. As for Billie Dunn's involvement I don't think she had anything to do with what happened to her daughter. The only thing I think she has done is cover for Shawn's sorry disgusting ass. JMO
BBM
That has pretty much been my theory all along, except, that I think Billie turned the other cheek to Shaw's perverted ways, because she, too is perverted and to keep him around. I also that she was in on getting rid of HD. You see I think BD was very jealous of her daughter in more ways than one. I think in both of their sick minds they believe that HD was coming on to Shawn.
I also keep waiting for one of them to commit suicide or murder.
I have long thought that he's one sick perv and will not be able to stop.
Billie invited him into her home with what seems to be without a thought or a care as to anyone or anything but her own satisfaction.

katydid23
03-19-2011, 12:43 PM
I think Shawn chose to be with Billie partially because of the beautiful 11 yr old daughter who lived there too. Also because he could live at her house- rent free, drive her car, use her money for drugs, use her x-box to watch his porn-stix, get her to print up his tru-crime bed time stories, and have a place to watch gory movies every day and play with his masks.
Billie wanted the 'true love' of a younger awesome guy, to help validate her own awesomeness. She joined in his awesome hobbies with enthusiasm and did everything he asked. It was really annoying the way he kept paying special attention to that kid of hers though. Why was she doing that, was she flirting with him?
I think Shawn had been grooming Hailey for quite awhile. He was patient but she would not budge. She was resistant and she insisted upon sleeping in the livingroom, where he had no privacy with her, which frustrated him immensely.

Also, Shawn had just heard through Billie about a young kid that Hailey 'liked' from another school. Some even said it was her first boyfriend. Shawn was truly angry upon hearing that. She was going to pay for that behavior if it was true.

Shawn convinced Billie to buy Hailey her own TV for Christmas. That way Shawn would finally have some privacy with Hailey in her room. No coincidence that she 'went and disappeared' just as she began sleeping in her own room.

I think Shawn made sure Billie was really drugged up Sunday night so she would be out of the way. After DD left, Shawn entered Hailey's room, and offered to set up the x-box on her new tv for her. She agreed, and then he began showing her some of his fave memory sticks. I think she resisted and it went too far. He may have taken her out of the home that night and drove to work straight from disposing of her, and not ever slept that night. I think he told Billie that Hailey OD'd on some of Billies drugs and he would cover for her, imo.

Quiche
03-19-2011, 01:05 PM
I don't have a really strong feeling about all the details, but the ones I do feel strongly about are these:

Billie and Shawn are equally responsible for Hailey's demise.

I believe Billie thinks she has the right to do anything she wants with HER daughter. (He gave Hailey to her)

It happened on Sunday night after DD left, or in the wee hours of the next morning.

I believe the Xbox had much to do with initializing whatever happened.

I believe Billie emotionally said "goodbye" to Hailey while standing at her bedroom door on Monday morning before work.

I believe Shawn disposed of Hailey on Monday, after he returned to CC.

I believe DD broke into the house because he thought Shawn had Hailey alone in there.

I believe Hailey told DD all her fears and concerns about SA and mom.

I believe Billie and Shawn are in the child porn Business.

I believe deflowering Hailey, for profit, was high on Shawn's to do list.

I believe Billie and Shawn can't stay away from each other, because they are
aroused by what they've done.

I believe that tattoo of Hailey was gotten to enhance Shawn's sexual experience.



This is all, JMO. :mad:

dodie20
03-19-2011, 02:38 PM
One of the main things that has bothered me about BD is the LDT. She claimed after SA failed his, she kicked him out of the house. So, she made it clear that she trusted his results...but at the same time, she had excuses for her her own failure. A normal reaction, I would think, would be to debunk both results...with the justification that she knew she was innocent & failed, so SA must be innocent and failed because of the same type of screw up. Why didn't she do this? If I was in her situation, that would've become a running theme for OUR our innocence . Her failing hers should have actually strengthened her faith in SA's innocence. But it didn't, so I'm thinking that she knew that she really failed and he really failed, but when push came to shove, she was only going to look out for herself. Also, SA said a couple of things in his LDT interview, that should've alienated her to the point of no return, (if she was innocent), like LE needing to look at the both of them...but she barely reacted. An innocent person would've been thinking, IMO, 'oh my God, he did something and is trying to take me down with him'. So, thinking about these things, it's MOO, that BD was either the perp, or an equal participant, or at the least, in on an active cover-up. SA seems to either be a weak link, or he gets off by dangling information in front of LE. I'm not sure which, but those couple of admissions during his LDT interview, seemed to point to him wanting to end this. MOO.

dodie20
03-19-2011, 02:45 PM
I don't have a really strong feeling about all the details, but the ones I do feel strongly about are these:

Billie and Shawn are equally responsible for Hailey's demise.

I believe Billie thinks she has the right to do anything she wants with HER daughter. (He gave Hailey to her)

It happened on Sunday night after DD left, or in the wee hours of the next morning.

I believe the Xbox had much to do with initializing whatever happened.

I believe Billie emotionally said "goodbye" to Hailey while standing at her bedroom door on Monday morning before work.

I believe Shawn disposed of Hailey on Monday, after he returned to CC.

I believe DD broke into the house because he thought Shawn had Hailey alone in there.

I believe Hailey told DD all her fears and concerns about SA and mom.

I believe Billie and Shawn are in the child porn Business.

I believe deflowering Hailey, for profit, was high on Shawn's to do list.

I believe Billie and Shawn can't stay away from each other, because they are
aroused by what they've done.

I believe that tattoo of Hailey was gotten to enhance Shawn's sexual experience.



This is all, JMO. :mad: Wow, I hadn't thought of the tattoo like that. I thought she may have gotten it because it seemed like a 'motherly' thing to do, or just because she likes getting tattoos & this gave her an excuse. I know a lot of people don't like the tattoo and think it's ugly, but IMO, the artist did a really good job. It's beautiful work and in different circumstances it would've been a nice thing to have. MOO.

txsvicki
03-19-2011, 10:11 PM
No way do I think Haylie was in any sort of prior sexual abuse by SA. From all we've heard I just don't think she was the type girl to be silenced and afraid to tell. According to her Grandma, she was suspicious and creeped out by him and voiced it at an early age, but seems to have eventually been manipulated into somewhat accepting the situation enough to stay home sometimes even though she wanted to live with her dad. Gory crime interests, drugs, child assault porn on every device could tell the story. I just don't get why BD wouldn't allow Haylie to live elsewhere unless it was because she wanted to keep that house, and not have to pay child support herself. That could also be a motive and some unbalanced men wanting to keep their sugar mamma might go ahead and make an attack. However, he seemed to have been done with his job and might have also been about done with BD. I've always thought that DD is the one who really sounded the alarm about not being able to find Haylie. Maybe the other poster is right and he did break in because he couldn't find her that day and was silenced by someone.

cluciano63
03-19-2011, 10:16 PM
No way do I think Haylie was in any sort of prior sexual abuse by SA. From all we've heard I just don't think she was the type girl to be silenced and afraid to tell. According to her Grandma, she was suspicious and creeped out by him and voiced it at an early age, but seems to have eventually been manipulated into somewhat accepting the situation enough to stay home sometimes even though she wanted to live with her dad. Gory crime interests, drugs, child assault porn on every device could tell the story. I just don't get why BD wouldn't allow Haylie to live elsewhere unless it was because she wanted to keep that house, and not have to pay child support herself. That could also be a motive and some unbalanced men wanting to keep their sugar mamma might go ahead and make an attack. However, he seemed to have been done with his job and might have also been about done with BD. I've always thought that DD is the one who really sounded the alarm about not being able to find Haylie. Maybe the other poster is right and he did break in because he couldn't find her that day and was silenced by someone.

I agree that if Hailey was abused or raped by SA, it was the first and last time, as not only would be likely to tell, they (or he) would be afraid she might, in any case. So I don't think there was on-going abuse, or Hailey would not have been so free to go back and forth to her father's house, etc...they would have kept a much closer eye on her.

Knox
03-20-2011, 03:30 AM
I think Shawn chose to be with Billie partially because of the beautiful 11 yr old daughter who lived there too. Also because he could live at her house- rent free, drive her car, use her money for drugs, use her x-box to watch his porn-stix, get her to print up his tru-crime bed time stories, and have a place to watch gory movies every day and play with his masks.
Billie wanted the 'true love' of a younger awesome guy, to help validate her own awesomeness. She joined in his awesome hobbies with enthusiasm and did everything he asked. It was really annoying the way he kept paying special attention to that kid of hers though. Why was she doing that, was she flirting with him?
I think Shawn had been grooming Hailey for quite awhile. He was patient but she would not budge. She was resistant and she insisted upon sleeping in the livingroom, where he had no privacy with her, which frustrated him immensely.

Also, Shawn had just heard through Billie about a young kid that Hailey 'liked' from another school. Some even said it was her first boyfriend. Shawn was truly angry upon hearing that. She was going to pay for that behavior if it was true.

Shawn convinced Billie to buy Hailey her own TV for Christmas. That way Shawn would finally have some privacy with Hailey in her room. No coincidence that she 'went and disappeared' just as she began sleeping in her own room.

I think Shawn made sure Billie was really drugged up Sunday night so she would be out of the way. After DD left, Shawn entered Hailey's room, and offered to set up the x-box on her new tv for her. She agreed, and then he began showing her some of his fave memory sticks. I think she resisted and it went too far. He may have taken her out of the home that night and drove to work straight from disposing of her, and not ever slept that night. I think he told Billie that Hailey OD'd on some of Billies drugs and he would cover for her, imo.

Great Post Katydid23!

Telling Billie that Hailey OD'd on her pills and he will take care of it for her makes perfect sense. It explains her insane behavior and why she won't, actually, cannot kick him to the curb. Also explains the initial discrepancies in their stories and failing the LD tests. I think your theory will come very close to the truth of what happened to Hailey.

Hopefully the two of them will turn on each other like rattlesnakes and tell LE where Hailey can be found. Clint deserves that.

WideOpen
03-20-2011, 04:57 AM
My theory has always included BD in the evil, sick, hell that Hailey endured during the chaos of her last moments before she went missing. I can't bring myself to say I believe she is dead, I want for her to be home happy, healthy, and playing with baby sister.

I'm going to say this again because this is when I fell off the fence! This is the link to the 1st video interview we see of Billie Dunn and Clint after the prayer vigil on January 2nd. The footage starts off with Billie dunn saying these words,
"SHE WASN'T THE TYPE OF CHILD TO RUN AWAY BUT RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE NO LEADS WHATSOEVER. SHE DIDNT TAKE ANY CLOTHES SO WE'RE PRETTY WORRIED."

Then she goes onto say in the next breath, " I HOPE SHE RAN AWAY, AND UM, I HOPE SHE IS JUST SCARED TO COME HOME BUT WANT HER TO KNOW WE'RE NOT MAD AT HER. SHE IS NOT IN ANY TROUBLE WITH POLICE, SHE IS NOT IN ANY TROUBLE WITH US"

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26345660/detail.html

From Hailey Reference & Timeline
Thread 1, pg. 13, post 301

~greeneyedgirl~
03-20-2011, 01:22 PM
This is only my theory, I'm sure some of you share in some if not all of my thoughts...

Billie is a tiny woman, that is fact, she is in fact taking narcotics on a seemingly regular basis. Depending on what she is taking and how much she is taking I feel it is safe to assume that at night she is pretty much out cold.

Hailey had just recently started sleeping in her own bedroom again due to the TV she got for Christmas.

DD was sleeping out Sunday night. Last saw his sister playing Xbox, in his opinion, based on her skill level of the game (call of duty) he expects her to play anywhere from 2 - 3 hours, if I recall correctly DD last saw Hailey around 9pm, playing the game in his room.

I wholeheartedly feel that Sunday night once everyone was tucked in and Billie said her goodnights to Hailey, she went to bed around the 10pm time she last saw her daughter, again she is out cold due to the "meds" ( i use that term loosely) she is taking.

Sometime during the last known time of DD seeing Hailey and Billie stating she said goodnight to her in her own room watching TV around 10ish, Hailey decided she didn't want to play anymore for whatever reason and went into her own room to watch TV and fall asleep.

Once Billie is asleep, Shawn decides this is the time to act upon his urges for Hailey, maybe by asking her if she wants to play COD with him, back into DD's room they go to play the game. That is why it is so imperative about DD stating Hailey was playing the game, Xbox shows when and who logged in last, and how long they played, because I believe it will show 2 users playing that night.

I know items from Hailey's bedroom were removed but does anyone know if anything from DD's room has been taken for forensics.

I cannot bring myself to type what may have transpired in those hours between Billie going to sleep and Shawn leaving for work in the morning.

I think Hailey was taken out of the house in the night and her bed was made to look like she was in it. The comment early on from Billie stating that to "ease her mind" she checked on Hailey in the morning, I believe this stems from the fact that in the night, in her drug induced sleep she recalls Shawn not being in bed next to her. Whether or not she is a good mother has no bearing on the fact that parents have a gut feeling.

Shawn leaves work before Billie even gets up, again if I recall correctly, goes to work, maybe Hailey is even in the car, he goes to work decides there is no way in heck he can stay at work. I think those early morning calls (the 3 that were deleted) was Shawn speaking with Billie to make sure that she didn't find out or realize that Hailey wasn't home.

Shawn goes into "cover his a**" mode and here we are today.

I think Billie is responsible due to her bringing Shawn into their lives, I don't think she had anything to do with it at all, and I think she honestly wanted to believe that there is no way he, the man she loves could harm her child. yes she has made some horrible actually beyond horrible choices since Hailey has been missing, her drug use has left her void of maternal instincts and proper thought process. I don't for one second think that she gave her daughter to him or that she was jealous of Hailey, I just don't see it.

Shawn did this to Hailey and we won't find her until he decides its time to let us know where she is. This is because of his sexually twisted desires and nothing else. I also strongly feel that whatever did occur is filmed either in video or still shots so he can relive it over and over, the act of doing it wasn't enough he must see it. That is what I think he was doing that day that DD came home and the doors were locked. I also believe he acted alone and needs to be put away for life, he is a danger to society.

Again this is my Theory only based on my thoughts from what we have been told thus far.

CN2Souls
03-20-2011, 05:23 PM
Fact: We know SA likes to take Videos and Pictures,
Fact BD admitted that she is in some of the videos of them.

So my Theory is...
&
My personal opinion is:
The memory card for the phone SA has.. I believe that is a blackberry curve,
(listed in Affidavit)
He might have taken the micro card (32GB) out of it and that is what they want... I feel it may have CP on it.
but it may also be one that has something to do with Hailey on it and might have BD is in those videos / pictures.
I believe that’s why he went to BD so she could hide it. This maybe the only evidence there is in HD case.
She might have it now!
Now she holds all the cards.
That might be why there may be No Trespassing order for the house.

Chili Fries
03-21-2011, 05:00 AM
I had forgotten about this until now. I posted it in another thread but it fits here too:

I had a friend, who is not my friend anymore, whose dad and stepmom would have him watch them have sex and make him join in a little when he was around Hailey's age. It was something they really got off on. I'm sure neither one of them thought it was wrong at the time, because years later, when my ex-friend was an adult, the stepmom apologized to him and became part of his life again (sadly she was the best parent he ever had even with all that). His dad stayed sexually screwed up though, he would still tell my ex-friend stories about sexual interactions with his dog. Just awful and traumatic stuff that had a lasting effect on the child, and on me...my ex-friend snapped one day when we were hanging out, attacked me basically without warning and sent me to the hospital. It's amazing how much rage all of that had installed in him.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that occurred with Hailey, Billie offering Hailey to Shawn is a possibility or maybe both of them though it would turn them on to have Hailey involved. It's easy to figure how something really bad could happen during that, planned (at least by Shawn) or not. I think there are many different scenarios that I could come up with and this strikes me as a plausible one.

redfish
03-21-2011, 05:48 PM
This is only my theory, I'm sure some of you share in some if not all of my thoughts...

Billie is a tiny woman, that is fact, she is in fact taking narcotics on a seemingly regular basis. Depending on what she is taking and how much she is taking I feel it is safe to assume that at night she is pretty much out cold.

Hailey had just recently started sleeping in her own bedroom again due to the TV she got for Christmas.

DD was sleeping out Sunday night. Last saw his sister playing Xbox, in his opinion, based on her skill level of the game (call of duty) he expects her to play anywhere from 2 - 3 hours, if I recall correctly DD last saw Hailey around 9pm, playing the game in his room.

I wholeheartedly feel that Sunday night once everyone was tucked in and Billie said her goodnights to Hailey, she went to bed around the 10pm time she last saw her daughter, again she is out cold due to the "meds" ( i use that term loosely) she is taking.

Sometime during the last known time of DD seeing Hailey and Billie stating she said goodnight to her in her own room watching TV around 10ish, Hailey decided she didn't want to play anymore for whatever reason and went into her own room to watch TV and fall asleep.

Once Billie is asleep, Shawn decides this is the time to act upon his urges for Hailey, maybe by asking her if she wants to play COD with him, back into DD's room they go to play the game. That is why it is so imperative about DD stating Hailey was playing the game, Xbox shows when and who logged in last, and how long they played, because I believe it will show 2 users playing that night.

I know items from Hailey's bedroom were removed but does anyone know if anything from DD's room has been taken for forensics.

I cannot bring myself to type what may have transpired in those hours between Billie going to sleep and Shawn leaving for work in the morning.

I think Hailey was taken out of the house in the night and her bed was made to look like she was in it. The comment early on from Billie stating that to "ease her mind" she checked on Hailey in the morning, I believe this stems from the fact that in the night, in her drug induced sleep she recalls Shawn not being in bed next to her. Whether or not she is a good mother has no bearing on the fact that parents have a gut feeling.

Shawn leaves work before Billie even gets up, again if I recall correctly, goes to work, maybe Hailey is even in the car, he goes to work decides there is no way in heck he can stay at work. I think those early morning calls (the 3 that were deleted) was Shawn speaking with Billie to make sure that she didn't find out or realize that Hailey wasn't home.

Shawn goes into "cover his a**" mode and here we are today.

I think Billie is responsible due to her bringing Shawn into their lives, I don't think she had anything to do with it at all, and I think she honestly wanted to believe that there is no way he, the man she loves could harm her child. yes she has made some horrible actually beyond horrible choices since Hailey has been missing, her drug use has left her void of maternal instincts and proper thought process. I don't for one second think that she gave her daughter to him or that she was jealous of Hailey, I just don't see it.

Shawn did this to Hailey and we won't find her until he decides its time to let us know where she is. This is because of his sexually twisted desires and nothing else. I also strongly feel that whatever did occur is filmed either in video or still shots so he can relive it over and over, the act of doing it wasn't enough he must see it. That is what I think he was doing that day that DD came home and the doors were locked. I also believe he acted alone and needs to be put away for life, he is a danger to society.

Again this is my Theory only based on my thoughts from what we have been told thus far.

I think this may be close. I do think that somewhere evidence exists showing what happened to this child. This guy loves to watch and fantisize... if he did this he would definitely want to relive it over and over. Billie is a case all by herself. I keep getting mixed vibes about her. I do see him sharing most of his sick addictions with her....but I don't know about this particular fantasy. These cases just keep getting more and more depraved. How low can we go?

SmoothOperator
03-21-2011, 08:41 PM
BBM
That has pretty much been my theory all along, except, that I think Billie turned the other cheek to Shaw's perverted ways, because she, too is perverted and to keep him around. I also that she was in on getting rid of HD. You see I think BD was very jealous of her daughter in more ways than one. I think in both of their sick minds they believe that HD was coming on to Shawn.
I also keep waiting for one of them to commit suicide or murder.
I have long thought that he's one sick perv and will not be able to stop.
Billie invited him into her home with what seems to be without a thought or a care as to anyone or anything but her own satisfaction.

I agree with you about the suicide..But it is only recently that i have come to this conclusion..It's my opinion that Shawn is very much the weak link in very many ways.. I too believe that they have convinced themselves and each other that it was some how Hailey's fault and that if she had not done "x y and z" then they would not have been "forced" INTO the rage in which she was killed..possibly{of course x y and z being only figments of their imagination..u and I knowing full well that innocent little girl did nothing or is in no way responsible for what they've done to her}..just further justification on their parts of why they "had" to do what they did to little Hailey..

The heat is on and IMO it is quickly rising to a boiling point.. These two for the first time IMO are realizing that LE ain't backing down..they're not letting up..and they are coming to get them!!!!

Shawn is extremely weak minded.. A moma's boy in more ways than one..
Tho an extremely sick&twisted mind..corrupted further by years and years of deviant behaviors and viewing..and filling his mind with things that you and I could never even dream of seeing let alone those things being a turn on sexually.. I think he is dark hearted at this point..consumed and filled with things evil and dark but these things are for many many years have been just figments of his imagination.. day dreams of twisted and bizarre thoughts..probably deep down never believing that it would ever be anything more than just fantasies and only in his mind..I think it is Billie's inolvement possibly that led to the escalation..her not only NOT CONDEMNING HIM FOR HIS SICK..BIZARRE AND EVIL FANTASIES..BUT ALSO SHARING IN THEM WITH HIM..THEM ROLE PLAYING THEM OUT..THIS IMO ONLY ENCOURAGED AND ESCALATED HIS ALREADY DEVIANT SOUL..ROLE PLAYING IT IN THERE SEX LIFE IMO IS WHAT LED TO WHAT HAPPENED..

But Shawn Adkins as a person IMO is a very scared little boy in many ways.. IMO he's still that same little boy who on the first day of kindergarten cried for hours for his mama not to leave in there alone at school..and he describes that she did not..That she stayed with him and comforted him til he felt comfortable enough to stay on his own..I think in may ways Shawn Adkins is still this same little 5 yr old boy..Scared of many many things about adulthood and now about his future..IMO terrified beyond belief.. I think seeing Billie arrested Thursday set off alarm bells for Shawn that LE is truly closing in and they are going to get him..

I will not be an ounce surprised that at the very very least we will see a suicide attempt made by Shawn..I think with the realization that the "gig' is up and that they are not going to get away with this and this his days of freedom are extremely numbered..I think this has him realizing that who he really is..the scared little boy in a man's body will not survive in a man's prison..And IMO he won't..he will be eaten up whole by many and multiple big and hardened truly evil men who ain't scared of nothing and will be spit out only to find himself being eaten alive by the next one in line..

And IMO that is the true reality of what Shawn's future is.. If he is not protected by the prison{which if its found he raped and murdered a little girl I hardly see prison officials wanting to be helpful in saving Shawn's azz from the big dogs}..so if that's the case and he serves in general pop that's what Shawn's future is.. If he wants to see a little glimpse into it have him look into Damien Echols first 5 yrs incarcerated{convicted of raping..sexually mutilating and murdered 3 8 yr old boys}..I see much of the same for Shawn.. So for those reasons I expect at the very least an attempt...

Billie on the other hand.. I believe she much like Karla Homolka will fare fairly well in prison..especially if she ends up like the Karla served most of her 12yr sentence{all womens low security prison where the inmates were allowed to intermingle at all hours of the night{IYKWIM?}and even get to dress up and have birthday parties on their birthdays with cake..candles the whole nine yards}..

I see Billie much like Karla.. I think she'll stay defiant and self absorbed..only caring for her own rear the entire time..and never ever admitting a damn thing..she'll attempt to remain the poor victim's mom..who is only a victim herself..burned at the cross in a modern day with hunt..but thats jmo tho!

Ellebelle
03-22-2011, 11:26 AM
I agree with you about the suicide..But it is only recently that i have come to this conclusion..It's my opinion that Shawn is very much the weak link in very many ways.. I too believe that they have convinced themselves and each other that it was some how Hailey's fault and that if she had not done "x y and z" then they would not have been "forced" INTO the rage in which she was killed..possibly{of course x y and z being only figments of their imagination..u and I knowing full well that innocent little girl did nothing or is in no way responsible for what they've done to her}..just further justification on their parts of why they "had" to do what they did to little Hailey..

The heat is on and IMO it is quickly rising to a boiling point.. These two for the first time IMO are realizing that LE ain't backing down..they're not letting up..and they are coming to get them!!!!

Shawn is extremely weak minded.. A moma's boy in more ways than one..
Tho an extremely sick&twisted mind..corrupted further by years and years of deviant behaviors and viewing..and filling his mind with things that you and I could never even dream of seeing let alone those things being a turn on sexually.. I think he is dark hearted at this point..consumed and filled with things evil and dark but these things are for many many years have been just figments of his imagination.. day dreams of twisted and bizarre thoughts..probably deep down never believing that it would ever be anything more than just fantasies and only in his mind..I think it is Billie's inolvement possibly that led to the escalation..her not only NOT CONDEMNING HIM FOR HIS SICK..BIZARRE AND EVIL FANTASIES..BUT ALSO SHARING IN THEM WITH HIM..THEM ROLE PLAYING THEM OUT..THIS IMO ONLY ENCOURAGED AND ESCALATED HIS ALREADY DEVIANT SOUL..ROLE PLAYING IT IN THERE SEX LIFE IMO IS WHAT LED TO WHAT HAPPENED..

But Shawn Adkins as a person IMO is a very scared little boy in many ways.. IMO he's still that same little boy who on the first day of kindergarten cried for hours for his mama not to leave in there alone at school..and he describes that she did not..That she stayed with him and comforted him til he felt comfortable enough to stay on his own..I think in may ways Shawn Adkins is still this same little 5 yr old boy..Scared of many many things about adulthood and now about his future..IMO terrified beyond belief.. I think seeing Billie arrested Thursday set off alarm bells for Shawn that LE is truly closing in and they are going to get him..

I will not be an ounce surprised that at the very very least we will see a suicide attempt made by Shawn..I think with the realization that the "gig' is up and that they are not going to get away with this and this his days of freedom are extremely numbered..I think this has him realizing that who he really is..the scared little boy in a man's body will not survive in a man's prison..And IMO he won't..he will be eaten up whole by many and multiple big and hardened truly evil men who ain't scared of nothing and will be spit out only to find himself being eaten alive by the next one in line..

And IMO that is the true reality of what Shawn's future is.. If he is not protected by the prison{which if its found he raped and murdered a little girl I hardly see prison officials wanting to be helpful in saving Shawn's azz from the big dogs}..so if that's the case and he serves in general pop that's what Shawn's future is.. If he wants to see a little glimpse into it have him look into Damien Echols first 5 yrs incarcerated{convicted of raping..sexually mutilating and murdered 3 8 yr old boys}..I see much of the same for Shawn.. So for those reasons I expect at the very least an attempt...

Billie on the other hand.. I believe she much like Karla Homolka will fare fairly well in prison..especially if she ends up like the Karla served most of her 12yr sentence{all womens low security prison where the inmates were allowed to intermingle at all hours of the night{IYKWIM?}and even get to dress up and have birthday parties on their birthdays with cake..candles the whole nine yards}..

I see Billie much like Karla.. I think she'll stay defiant and self absorbed..only caring for her own rear the entire time..and never ever admitting a damn thing..she'll attempt to remain the poor victim's mom..who is only a victim herself..burned at the cross in a modern day with hunt..but thats jmo tho!

Excellent post!

nainebug
03-24-2011, 08:17 AM
ok... I am gonna toss this out there because it is still a possibility.... we know HD's homelife was not the greatest. We know there was drug use and uncomfortable feelings within the family.We know HD was at one of the most difficult parts of being a teen. What are the possibilities that she went somewhere to see or meet someone she wasnt telling anyone about? Some guy that we have not heard about.... or someone she met online. She could very possibly be out there and need to be found.... She could have thought she was escaping to a better life and instead been harmed by an as yet unknown person.

I have been thinking about a girl who goes to school with my son.... last year she ran away for a day and a half.... I printed fliers, posted fliers, and made phone calls out the wazoo.... The girl had apparently been my sons g/f ( if walking from class 2 class counts as dating).... LE questioned my son several times.... eventually the girl strolled up the road and home a day and a half after last being seen.... she was with some older teenage boy... But while she was missing we found out all about her secret life online... She had many contacts with guys as old as 30 , and represented herself as 17 - 19 yrs old.A problem home life had her thinking that she should take her life choices into her own hands.Of course at 13 that was a really bad choice. She got lucky she wasnt harmed and returned home.

At 13 kids feel like they are grown and can make their own choices. They keep secrets and sneak around.They make bad choices ( that is how we learn and grow into brighter adults). So I am glad Hailey is still in the news (even if the way she is kept there is to bring all the family drama and family arrest are what keeps her there). Because she could be out there and she could be found..... without definitive proof that she is no longer alive..... I will not give up the idea that she CAN BE FOUND!

carbuff
03-24-2011, 11:09 AM
I tend to agree with Nainebug. I think there's a very good possibility that she ran away.

Which does not mean she isn't in danger. If she's living on the street somewhere, things are probably worse for her than they were at home. :praying: for her to return safe and unharmed...

burbqueen
03-24-2011, 02:02 PM
I dont think HD ran away. I think she was murdered. As to when and what day is the question, but I really think either 3 things:

1. SA went to work returned home. Was having a bad day or week or whatever. I would love to know what was going on at the homefront that week. Was he and BD fighting? Was he having problems at work?Stress makes already unstable people do weird things. maybe he planned it? Anyway, he returned home and maybe started to look at some pictures or videos of CP? Poor HD at home alone with SA and BAM in a lust filled rage he rapes her and subdues her and takes HD off to another location where he kills her. He gets rid of the body.

2. HD was taken and killed the night before by SA and BD in some sort of sick and twisted game. They get rid of HD body. I dont know if DD saw her the next day or not.

3. SA and BD are messed up but telling the truth. HD sets off down the street to dads house and some stranger sees her and kidnaps her. Probably a local.

Im open to anything, but in a small city like CC its really hard to believe some stranger kidnapped her. Maybe it was a resident of the city?? But I think SA is responsible for HD's disappearance. I feel a body will be found maybe later this year or next year. Hopefully. Once the body is found we will know for sure.

Evan's Mom
03-24-2011, 03:32 PM
ok... I am gonna toss this out there because it is still a possibility.... we know HD's homelife was not the greatest. We know there was drug use and uncomfortable feelings within the family.We know HD was at one of the most difficult parts of being a teen. What are the possibilities that she went somewhere to see or meet someone she wasnt telling anyone about? Some guy that we have not heard about.... or someone she met online. She could very possibly be out there and need to be found.... She could have thought she was escaping to a better life and instead been harmed by an as yet unknown person.

I have been thinking about a girl who goes to school with my son.... last year she ran away for a day and a half.... I printed fliers, posted fliers, and made phone calls out the wazoo.... The girl had apparently been my sons g/f ( if walking from class 2 class counts as dating).... LE questioned my son several times.... eventually the girl strolled up the road and home a day and a half after last being seen.... she was with some older teenage boy... But while she was missing we found out all about her secret life online... She had many contacts with guys as old as 30 , and represented herself as 17 - 19 yrs old.A problem home life had her thinking that she should take her life choices into her own hands.Of course at 13 that was a really bad choice. She got lucky she wasnt harmed and returned home.

At 13 kids feel like they are grown and can make their own choices. They keep secrets and sneak around.They make bad choices ( that is how we learn and grow into brighter adults). So I am glad Hailey is still in the news (even if the way she is kept there is to bring all the family drama and family arrest are what keeps her there). Because she could be out there and she could be found..... without definitive proof that she is no longer alive..... I will not give up the idea that she CAN BE FOUND!

I worry that this might be the case too.
And trust me, kids have run away for far less. I ran away twice when I was a kid. The first time was when I was 11 because I got blamed for something I didn't do.
I loaded up a few grocery bags of clothes and my teddy bear, tied it all to the back and handle bars of my bike and left out like I was going to school. I intended to ride my bike about 20 miles to my mother's house the next city over.
Fortunately for me, after I'd only gone about 5 miles, an alert convenience store clerk noticed something was off when I came in to use the restroom and called the police. Even after I was taken to the police station, I was completely stubborn and refused to give my name, address or school and it took them all day to find out who I was. My parents never even knew I ran away that day until the cops called them to come get me that night.
The second time I ran away, I was 14 and it was because I got caught skipping school and didn't want to face the music. I was gone a week that time, but made sure I let someone know where I was once I got there.

Crosby87
03-30-2011, 03:55 PM
Why didn’t Connie say Hailey left her house Xmas evening with Clint if Hailey stayed Xmas Night with him and left the following day? Connie states BD dropped the children off at her place after Xmas Dinner, came back later that evening with SA to pick them up, and BD cuddled Clint’s new daughter on her way out the door.

MO is BD was not emotionally prepared to meet Clint and his “new” family on Xmas Day and the rejection she felt at that moment was more than she could bear. We know BD self-medicates so I think when the house was vacant and her precious daughter Hailey was alone in her house, BD attacked her daughter and suffocated her. JMO

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hailey-dunn/hailey-dunn-transcript-clint-dunns-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

<snipped>

Host: Connie, what happened Christmas?

Connie: Well, we had a dinner, and right after the dinner, Billie brought the two kids over here, and, so they could open their presents, and they opened their presents, and thanked everybody for their presents, and then me and Hailey and David went into the kitchen, and they asked me if they can have a piece of pie, and I said they can have anything they wanted, so I fixed them a piece of pie and got a piece of bread that I had made, and they were sitting there eating it, and Hailey and I were talking about what we were gonna do this coming year, and David was talking about his games and football and all the stuff that he does and everything, and then Billie come up, and she came into the house, and she picked the baby up, and hugged the baby, and Billie hugged me, and she told the kids, she said, “It’s time to go.”, and she was standing at the door, and she motioned for Shawn to come up to the door, and I got this little dog.
Well, he’s not a little dog. I’ve got this dog, and he was right here beside me, and when Shawn appeared in the door, the dog stood up, and I noticed that Judge was watching Shawn, wouldn’t take his eyes off of him.
Shawn moved, and the hair stood up on Judge’s back. I had to grab his collar, ’cause I just knew that he was gonna go attack him.

SurfieTX
03-30-2011, 04:03 PM
Connie: Well, we had a dinner, and right after the dinner, Billie brought the two kids over here, and, so they could open their presents, and they opened their presents, and thanked everybody for their presents, and then me and Hailey and David went into the kitchen, and they asked me if they can have a piece of pie, and I said they can have anything they wanted, so I fixed them a piece of pie and got a piece of bread that I had made, and they were sitting there eating it, and Hailey and I were talking about what we were gonna do this coming year, and David was talking about his games and football and all the stuff that he does and everything, and then Billie come up, and she came into the house, and she picked the baby up, and hugged the baby, and Billie hugged me, and she told the kids, she said, “It’s time to go.”, and she was standing at the door, and she motioned for Shawn to come up to the door, and I got this little dog.

So, Billie sat out in the car with SA while the kids were inside? Or did they go somewhere? So strange.

Knox
03-30-2011, 05:13 PM
I see your point, the way Connie describes the day is a little disjointed. Maybe they did sit in the car and wait. It was Christmas day, no stores are open and maybe they were low on gas. Remember, two days later they are at the bank atm taking the last bit of money out of BD's bank account.

Bluesky, what do you think precipitated BD attacking Hailey?

SmoothOperator
03-31-2011, 02:43 PM
We don't ... Although BD said she and SA were in bed by 10 that night. Might that have been a half-truth?

And your having brought this up reminded me about something I have always felt about that
Monday night's events{Monday, December 27th}and Billie and Shawn's supposed/alleged early to bed "claim".. If I'm not mistaken it's around 9pm that she claims her and Shawn went to bed that Monday night, with DD coming in right around that time to tell Billie good night..

As I have pointed out several times throughout the course of this investigation the extreme lack of detail in/and around that ENTIRE NIGHT'S EVENTS..Billie admits that after having left work early that day that her and Shawn went to an ATM near the hospital and at 6:19 and 6:20 made withdrawals of $60 and $80 for the sole purpose of purchasing illegal narcotics from a "person" in Scurry County..

She then claims they went straight to her mom's house on the north side of Snyder to "see if there was anything that mom needed".. (some feel as tho it's possibly mom who is the "person" in Scurry Co.from whom Billie bought the illegal narcotics for both herself and Shawn Adkins)..She says that they were back home in Colorado City before 7:30pm..

And that's it..we hear zero details of the night of the 27th..Every single time{including Billie's own personal presser}she totally/completely glosses over that specific night's events..Goes from her and Shawn arriving back home in CCity by 7:30pm straight to their getting ready for bed around 9pm with DD coming in to say Good Night..It has always been suspicious IMOand one of the reasons for it NOT adding up is what I have kept meaning to point out but yet til now it has escaped my thoughts every time getting sidetracked with other thoughts, views, or opinions..

And that point is this.. We have Billie Jean Dunn, herself stating to LE that on the evening of Monday, December 27th after having withdrawn a total of $140 at an ATM{which was coroborrated them being at this Snyder ATM&making the 2 withdrawals 1 minute apart}that she, herself took that money and purchased illegal narcotics for both herself and Shawn Adkins to consume{i.e take, snort, smoke, etc}and if you think for a minute that I am going to believe that after spending pretty much the last bit of money that they had{per Billie}for illegal narcotics/their next "fix" at some time around 7pm that night and arriving home in CCity by 7:30pm..

It is therefor NOT BELIEVABLE IMO that Billie and Shawn would have been preparing for bed a mere short amount of time later{i.e a little over an hour}..They IMO are NOT going to purchase $140 worth of their preferred drug only to a little over 1 hour later waste the entire euphoric "fix" that they had paid for and received..NOPE, NOT GONNA HAPPEN...JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN..jmo, tho!

They are not gonna go to the trouble and the expense to get high and literally an hour later go to bed thus wasting the entire desired "high" effect..IMO I just DO NOT SEE ANY DRUG USER DOING THIS..

So, it's my opinion that either it was a "celebratory" high in which Billie Jean and Shawn Adkins partook<-(is that even a word?..lol} in that Monday night, or a "Boy I need something strong to help me cope with what's happened in the past 24 hours"{i.e. Hailey's demise}, or just as alcohol is known to produce a "liquid courage" That too a drug can produce you "false" courage in order to follow thru with something such as disposing of a once thriving and full of life, beautiful 13 year old little girl's remains..I believe that most likely the illegal drugs that Billie and Shawn bought and got "high" on were for one of those three reasons as well as I believe there was a whole lotta something going on for the majority of the evening/night of Monday, December 27th..

But once again this is all just IMO, tho!!

curiousc
03-31-2011, 03:18 PM
And your having brought this up reminded me about something I have always felt about that
Monday night's events{Monday, December 27th}and Billie and Shawn's supposed/alleged early to bed "claim".. If I'm not mistaken it's around 9pm that she claims her and Shawn went to bed that Monday night, with DD coming in right around that time to tell Billie good night..

As I have pointed out several times throughout the course of this investigation the extreme lack of detail in/and around that ENTIRE NIGHT'S EVENTS..Billie admits that after having left work early that day that her and Shawn went to an ATM near the hospital and at 6:19 and 6:20 made withdrawals of $60 and $80 for the sole purpose of purchasing illegal narcotics from a "person" in Scurry County..

She then claims they went straight to her mom's house on the north side of Snyder to "see if there was anything that mom needed".. (some feel as tho it's possibly mom who is the "person" in Scurry Co.from whom Billie bought the illegal narcotics for both herself and Shawn Adkins)..She says that they were back home in Colorado City before 7:30pm..

And that's it..we hear zero details of the night of the 27th..Every single time{including Billie's own personal presser}she totally/completely glosses over that specific night's events..Goes from her and Shawn arriving back home in CCity by 7:30pm straight to their getting ready for bed around 9pm with DD coming in to say Good Night..It has always been suspicious IMOand one of the reasons for it NOT adding up is what I have kept meaning to point out but yet til now it has escaped my thoughts every time getting sidetracked with other thoughts, views, or opinions..

And that point is this.. We have Billie Jean Dunn, herself stating to LE that on the evening of Monday, December 27th after having withdrawn a total of $140 at an ATM{which was coroborrated them being at this Snyder ATM&making the 2 withdrawals 1 minute apart}that she, herself took that money and purchased illegal narcotics for both herself and Shawn Adkins to consume{i.e take, snort, smoke, etc}and if you think for a minute that I am going to believe that after spending pretty much the last bit of money that they had{per Billie}for illegal narcotics/their next "fix" at some time around 7pm that night and arriving home in CCity by 7:30pm..

It is therefor NOT BELIEVABLE IMO that Billie and Shawn would have been preparing for bed a mere short amount of time later{i.e a little over an hour}..They IMO are NOT going to purchase $140 worth of their preferred drug only to a little over 1 hour later waste the entire euphoric "fix" that they had paid for and received..NOPE, NOT GONNA HAPPEN...JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN..jmo, tho!

They are not gonna go to the trouble and the expense to get high and literally an hour later go to bed thus wasting the entire desired "high" effect..IMO I just DO NOT SEE ANY DRUG USER DOING THIS..

So, it's my opinion that either it was a "celebratory" high in which Billie Jean and Shawn Adkins partook<-(is that even a word?..lol} in that Monday night, or a "Boy I need something strong to help me cope with what's happened in the past 24 hours"{i.e. Hailey's demise}, or just as alcohol is known to produce a "liquid courage" That too a drug can produce you "false" courage in order to follow thru with something such as disposing of a once thriving and full of life, beautiful 13 year old little girl's remains..I believe that most likely the illegal drugs that Billie and Shawn bought and got "high" on were for one of those three reasons as well as I believe there was a whole lotta something going on for the majority of the evening/night of Monday, December 27th..

But once again this is all just IMO, tho!!

I agree with you! Funny enough, she glosses over the goings-on of the night of the 26th as well as most of the day really. She makes them a Christmas dinner which they ate at 2. Next thing you know is she says that DD left earlier than what he told LE. Then she changes that time. The big thing is she says that she went by Hailey's room at 10 and said goodnight and went to bed.

She never goes into detail about what else they did that day, what Hailey was doing, what her and SA were doing, what DD did up until the time he left at 9, etc.

BTW, I always thought the drugs they bought on the 28th were them to take to cope with what they both did.

CN2Souls
04-01-2011, 11:41 AM
:headache: I just finished watching every single Interview with BD, Every single one and then read every single written words of BD from day one in this case... :headache:


:curses:


Is it just me.... Or does she almost seem displeased when she speaks of Hailey?....:waitasec:

The words she uses and the inflection in her voice when she speaks of her is very scary to me...:cry:

scorekeeper
04-01-2011, 11:52 AM
BJD has been unbelievable from day one.

When my kids were in high school (not that long ago, LOL), I remember moms who were younger (late 20s/early 30s) that were very jealous and competitive of their teenage daughters. BJD did not like it that Hailey was growing into a smart, beautiful young woman and she definitely didn't want Hailey taking attention away from her. BJD appears so cold, calculating, vindictive, sneaky, lieing to better herself - you get the picture.

It's so sad that Hailey was exposed to all that evil.

JMO

TexasTNT
04-01-2011, 12:44 PM
I've thought for a very long time it was all BJD!!!!!

and SA was just her "lackey".

I doubt very seriously BJD thought all the other would come out about both her and SA.

JMO and MOO!

SmoothOperator
04-01-2011, 04:35 PM
:headache: I just finished watching every single Interview with BD, Every single one and then read every single written words of BD from day one in this case... :headache:


:curses:


Is it just me.... Or does she almost seem displeased when she speaks of Hailey?....:waitasec:

The words she uses and the inflection in her voice when she speaks of her is very scary to me...:cry:

Bravo! CN!! What you just completed is literally alot for one person to take..BJD is hard to handle as well when reading her demeanors as she speaks..IMO alot of the times the words coming from her mouth DO NOT MATCH the demeanors, facial expressions, body language..Meaning she may be attempting to say something genuine or sincere about her daughter{which for us would just come naturally and abundantly..but With BJD she is noticably void of an abundance of cherished moments and memories of her beautiful daughter}..And when she does make an attempt of "mimicking" these natura;l found emotions in a mom her body language, facial expression, etc..screams loud and clear the complete opposite..As if she is very uncomfortable with what it is tha is coming out of her mouth..IMO reason being is because she does not feel those emotions and sentiments of Hailey
therefor we see her squirm, twist and distort her face at times, anbd just all together look and come across extremely uncomfortable with speaking highly of her daughter..

IMO because Billie did not think highly of her daughter.. She had anger, contempt, jealousy, and quite possibly even hatred for her daughter.. She was no longer Billie's cute and smart little daughter that ppl came by and squeezed her cheeks at how cute she was.. She was now quickly coming into young womanhood and Billie was not handling it well at all..Main reason is likely because SHawn was showing more and more of an interest in Hailey and quite possibly even told Billie he felt attracted to Hailey{believe me after what little we've learned of their hobbies and bedroom life..ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WOULD SHOCK ME AS TO WHAT ALL WE STILL HAVE YET TO FIND OUT ABOUT}..

So, CN the answer to your question is YES!.. Yes I, for one can attest to what you are speaking about what you picked up from watching an reading Billie's statements and demeanors.. And you are also correct when you say it is downright S-C-A-R-Y!!!!

Poor precious Hailey..she never had a chance with a mom who held such deep seeded contempt for her own, flesh and blood daughter...

Ellebelle
04-01-2011, 07:06 PM
:headache: I just finished watching every single Interview with BD, Every single one and then read every single written words of BD from day one in this case... :headache:


:curses:


Is it just me.... Or does she almost seem displeased when she speaks of Hailey?....:waitasec:

The words she uses and the inflection in her voice when she speaks of her is very scary to me...:cry:

Bless your heart! That's a lot to sort through.

SmoothOperator
04-01-2011, 07:16 PM
I've thought for a very long time it was all BJD!!!!!

and SA was just her "lackey".

I doubt very seriously BJD thought all the other would come out about both her and SA.

JMO and MOO!

Above BBM.. Oh are you so very correct IMO!!!

I typed out a really long post about my thoughts on "The truth as BD/SA know REALLY HAPPENED"..vs.. "The truth that BJD tells LE".. vs.. "The truth that BJD tells the media/public"..

Talking about that I guarantee once the interrogations began Billie quickly decided that this is how things would go..She'd "give LE something" to make it seem as tho she is being honest/forthcoming{i.e. her purchasing drugs in Scurry the night of the 27th}..but that her "public personna" would be that of a naive, bewildered, somewhat dingy woman who was a victim herself..

There's no doubt in my mind that this was planned out as such..That is why back in January when those affidavits hit the public media she was thrown for a HUGE LOOp!!! You can bet she never dreamed that LE would dare release such as their drug use, bedtime stories involving killers, etc..

Don't you know that shocked the **** outta her!!..She thought she could just "play" everyone and that included that small town LE that she had banked on being a bunch of Barney Fife's..When they showed her that they could "play" rough I would have loved to see her face.. It';s when the two worlds collided..LE truthg vs. Public Truth...and hence you have the continual "LE is lying on me.." excuse.. She had to..She couldn't admit that the "darling" that she was attempting to "play" for us the public was nothing more than a big ol act..

There's a ton that can be delved into about this subject and as I said I typed out a really lengthy post in detailing alot of those examples and just how the 3 different "truths" are all part of BJD's "revised" plan..Meaning I certainly believe she has had to make several adjustments to her "original" plan which IMO banked heavily on the "Barney Fife LE" that did not end up being..rather the big dogs, FBI were involved and am certain that alone was cause for some major revision..

My nice, long post went poof! as the thread closed as I posted it..and I think everyone has experienced the frustration in that.. So, I never have attempted to repost about the subject til now with just a couple of the points that I am referring to BJD's "design"

TexasTNT
04-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Above BBM.. Oh are you so very correct IMO!!!

I typed out a really long post about my thoughts on "The truth as BD/SA know REALLY HAPPENED"..vs.. "The truth that BJD tells LE".. vs.. "The truth that BJD tells the media/public"..

Talking about that I guarantee once the interrogations began Billie quickly decided that this is how things would go..She'd "give LE something" to make it seem as tho she is being honest/forthcoming{i.e. her purchasing drugs in Scurry the night of the 27th}..but that her "public personna" would be that of a naive, bewildered, somewhat dingy woman who was a victim herself..

There's no doubt in my mind that this was planned out as such..That is why back in January when those affidavits hit the public media she was thrown for a HUGE LOOp!!! You can bet she never dreamed that LE would dare release such as their drug use, bedtime stories involving killers, etc..

Don't you know that shocked the **** outta her!!..She thought she could just "play" everyone and that included that small town LE that she had banked on being a bunch of Barney Fife's..When they showed her that they could "play" rough I would have loved to see her face.. It';s when the two worlds collided..LE truthg vs. Public Truth...and hence you have the continual "LE is lying on me.." excuse.. She had to..She couldn't admit that the "darling" that she was attempting to "play" for us the public was nothing more than a big ol act..

There's a ton that can be delved into about this subject and as I said I typed out a really lengthy post in detailing alot of those examples and just how the 3 different "truths" are all part of BJD's "revised" plan..Meaning I certainly believe she has had to make several adjustments to her "original" plan which IMO banked heavily on the "Barney Fife LE" that did not end up being..rather the big dogs, FBI were involved and am certain that alone was cause for some major revision..

My nice, long post went poof! as the thread closed as I posted it..and I think everyone has experienced the frustration in that.. So, I never have attempted to repost about the subject til now with just a couple of the points that I am referring to BJD's "design"

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I don't believe for one minute that SA caused for one minute what might have happened to HD. I believe in my heart that BD is the perp. And BD ordered SA to clean up the "mess". Now what he might have done to HD after that is something I don't want to wrap my brain around.

I've heard maybe she is in an oil well, etc. pardon my being so blunt but in order to get a human body the size of HD down a well of this nature, she just would not fit. The casing and tubing in these wells is only about 5 inches wide.

Now if you're talking septic system or even cesspool then I could see that very clearly.

Sorry for being so morbid but there's just no other way to explain it

passionflower
04-01-2011, 08:09 PM
Me too, I really think BD was seeing Hailey mature into a beautiful SMART young lady with a FUTURE and saw SA interested in Hailey and not her.
SA having affairs.
SA eyeing up Hailey.
The rumored fight before Christmas between BD and Hailey.
Why does BD wear Hailey's clothes?
Why did BD hurry up and redo Hailey's room?
IMO, she is the reason and the boss.
SA had his own gory fantasies also and the 2 together were lethel.
I am thinking that SA followed the Zahra Baker story and no one will ever find Hailey.JMOO

TexasTNT
04-01-2011, 08:54 PM
The heat is being turned up.

IMO and MOO ...................... SA is going to sing like a canary. His family will demand it. He's facing too many other charges.

Pink Panther
04-01-2011, 09:38 PM
There was another girl missing from the area. Her last name, coincidentally, is Durr. They found her!

Sometimes, I find myself concocting scenarios in which HD could have run away. It gives me peace of mind for a short while until I face the factual reality of SA's actions the morning of the 27th. Try as I might, I cannot give any logical reasoning to what he did and said about that morning (and afternoon) apart from concluding that he is hiding something and is guilty!

moo

hollyblue
04-02-2011, 06:40 AM
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I don't believe for one minute that SA caused for one minute what might have happened to HD. I believe in my heart that BD is the perp. And BD ordered SA to clean up the "mess". Now what he might have done to HD after that is something I don't want to wrap my brain around.

I've heard maybe she is in an oil well, etc. pardon my being so blunt but in order to get a human body the size of HD down a well of this nature, she just would not fit. The casing and tubing in these wells is only about 5 inches wide.

Now if you're talking septic system or even cesspool then I could see that very clearly.

Sorry for being so morbid but there's just no other way to explain it

I thought that too, but these rat holes look big enough to hold a few people. The casings and bits I'm use to seeing are for core drilling and they are the smaller 5-6" size. (That's a man standing by them)

Potential Hazard:

Falling or stepping into an uncovered rathole.
Possible Solution:

Cover the hole until it is lined with casing or other material during rigging-up.

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/oilandgas/site_preparation/conductor_rathole_mousehole.html
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4uCtAMrJ0PS_-hilzfSzr8-OugpF3AaXKL7F1UPwysTD6lyHZUw

scorekeeper
04-02-2011, 09:17 AM
I thought that too, but these rat holes look big enough to hold a few people. The casings and bits I'm use to seeing are for core drilling and they are the smaller 5-6" size. (That's a man standing by them)

Potential Hazard:

Falling or stepping into an uncovered rathole.
Possible Solution:

Cover the hole until it is lined with casing or other material during rigging-up.

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/oilandgas/site_preparation/conductor_rathole_mousehole.html
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4uCtAMrJ0PS_-hilzfSzr8-OugpF3AaXKL7F1UPwysTD6lyHZUw

From the very beginning, I was afraid that this is what SA did with Hailey's body. He is familiar with the area, knew which wells were open/accessible.
It seems he has thought about what it would be like to "kill" someone. He has probably fantasized over and over where he would hid the body. Kinda like Matt Hoffman using his favorite tree.

Even if Hailey's death was an accident, a rat hole was probably his first thought. Does anyone remember what day he said BJD washed his coveralls?
And I thought he had 2 pairs but I only recall him saying that he took 1 pair with him the day he quit.

JMO

SmoothOperator
04-03-2011, 03:50 AM
From the very beginning, I was afraid that this is what SA did with Hailey's body. He is familiar with the area, knew which wells were open/accessible.
It seems he has thought about what it would be like to "kill" someone. He has probably fantasized over and over where he would hid the body. Kinda like Matt Hoffman using his favorite tree.

Even if Hailey's death was an accident, a rat hole was probably his first thought. Does anyone remember what day he said BJD washed his coveralls?
And I thought he had 2 pairs but I only recall him saying that he took 1 pair with him the day he quit.

JMO

He claims that Billie washed "a pair" of his coveralls the night before{Sunday Dec. 26th} he turned them in for good{Dec 27th}..

According to Shawn he had 2 pair of the work coveralls..one of which Billie washed for him the night before..We then know it was the following morning of the 27th that Shawn{for reasons STILL unexplained} went into work at 6am only to leave work for the very last time exactly 10mins later at 6:10am..Also according to Shawn it was because of those coveralls that were part of the main reason for going into his workplace at 6am..for him to return the coveralls to his workplace and to clean out his locker..

Even stranger according to Shawn he told us during the BTHN interview that he would be seen clearly on several of the work cameras walking INTO his workplace at 6am carrying the 2 pair of coveralls{1 of those pair being the coveralls that SA claims that BJD had laundered for him the night before}and that he would also clearly be seen leaving his workplace WITHOUT those coveralls..

For many of us the whole issue with the coveralls raises extreme suspicion ..And it's IMO that they have got to be somehow involved/related to the happenings of those hours in which Hailey "disappeared"(at the very least used as an aid to further set up an alibi by making sure he would be seen on camera at work returning his coveralls}..

Why in the world would there be reason to "offer up" this entire issue relating to the coveralls if there were no significance to them being involved somehow..and I I do mean "offered up" because no one had asked..inquired..nor even mentioned the coveralls but rather Shawn just "offers up" this info to us the public while doing the BTHN interview..
Why would Billie need to have washed those coveralls the night prior when that was actually that day she says they celebrated Christmas with just the 4 of them..odd that he'd request for Billie to wash them when he was just going to turn them in supposedly..He knew he'd not be working in them most likely..So why "offer up" all this info about them..

What significance do they holD? or better yet what possible evidence do they hold?..that possibly was attempted to be gotten rid of by Billie's laundering them the night before..

My instincts definitely point toward their somehow..someway..gotta be involved in the entire "disappearance of Hailey"..He wanted those cameras to witness him coming into WSI carrying those 2 pair of coveralls as well as for those cameras to witness that he left the premisis WITHOUT those 2 pair of coveralls??

Questions that I feel certain that the true answers will prove certain that they are indeed used for some specific reason dealing with what happened to HAiley..Thing is most likely we won't know such details til this goes to trial and still even then we may not get the true answers as to why he chose to do such..If LE cannot connect the dots and definitively know their exact involvement in the case then I'd say quite likely that we will never know..I just don't see Shawn or Billie ever telling the entire truth as to what all happened..the why ..the how.the when and the where of how it all happened..

Guess only time will tell huh?..Sure would like to know..:waitasec:

grandmaj
04-03-2011, 11:14 AM
Theory......... this is turning into a general discussion thread
Please state your theories here. Thanks.

RavenTrue
04-03-2011, 02:58 PM
Bravo! CN!! What you just completed is literally alot for one person to take..BJD is hard to handle as well when reading her demeanors as she speaks..IMO alot of the times the words coming from her mouth DO NOT MATCH the demeanors, facial expressions, body language..Meaning she may be attempting to say something genuine or sincere about her daughter{which for us would just come naturally and abundantly..but With BJD she is noticably void of an abundance of cherished moments and memories of her beautiful daughter}..And when she does make an attempt of "mimicking" these natura;l found emotions in a mom her body language, facial expression, etc..screams loud and clear the complete opposite..As if she is very uncomfortable with what it is tha is coming out of her mouth..IMO reason being is because she does not feel those emotions and sentiments of Hailey
therefor we see her squirm, twist and distort her face at times, anbd just all together look and come across extremely uncomfortable with speaking highly of her daughter..

IMO because Billie did not think highly of her daughter.. She had anger, contempt, jealousy, and quite possibly even hatred for her daughter.. She was no longer Billie's cute and smart little daughter that ppl came by and squeezed her cheeks at how cute she was.. She was now quickly coming into young womanhood and Billie was not handling it well at all..Main reason is likely because SHawn was showing more and more of an interest in Hailey and quite possibly even told Billie he felt attracted to Hailey{believe me after what little we've learned of their hobbies and bedroom life..ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WOULD SHOCK ME AS TO WHAT ALL WE STILL HAVE YET TO FIND OUT ABOUT}..

So, CN the answer to your question is YES!.. Yes I, for one can attest to what you are speaking about what you picked up from watching an reading Billie's statements and demeanors.. And you are also correct when you say it is downright S-C-A-R-Y!!!!

Poor precious Hailey..she never had a chance with a mom who held such deep seeded contempt for her own, flesh and blood daughter...

:goodpost:

Here, here. Well said.

Crosby87
04-05-2011, 11:48 AM
If BD & SA drugged Hailey to knock her out so they could party Sunday evening and her heart stopped beating, what evidence would be left in the home that is traceable if Hailey didn’t vomit?

Maybe SA & BD didn’t have friends over, but wanted their privacy, especially since DD was gone, so they slipped a drug into Hailey’s drink so she wouldn't disrupt them? When BD talked about why she failed her polygraph, she said she took “medicine” to help her sleep so IMO BD would agree to do this to her daughter.

If SA & BD were alone when Hailey died, no one else knows what happened and these two will never confess unless Hailey’s body is found and tested for drugs.

sreshowtime
04-13-2011, 04:51 PM
I have a sort of theory & I reckon I can speculate on it here and see what others think.
Is it possible an unnamed POI could insert one's self into doing searches??
Anyone else out there thought that about this case??

Eileen730
04-13-2011, 05:05 PM
I worry that this might be the case too.
And trust me, kids have run away for far less. I ran away twice when I was a kid. The first time was when I was 11 because I got blamed for something I didn't do.
I loaded up a few grocery bags of clothes and my teddy bear, tied it all to the back and handle bars of my bike and left out like I was going to school. I intended to ride my bike about 20 miles to my mother's house the next city over.
Fortunately for me, after I'd only gone about 5 miles, an alert convenience store clerk noticed something was off when I came in to use the restroom and called the police. Even after I was taken to the police station, I was completely stubborn and refused to give my name, address or school and it took them all day to find out who I was. My parents never even knew I ran away that day until the cops called them to come get me that night.
The second time I ran away, I was 14 and it was because I got caught skipping school and didn't want to face the music. I was gone a week that time, but made sure I let someone know where I was once I got there.


No way! This poor child ,,her family was just as bad as the cummings/croslin clan. She did not stand a chance. Between her mother and that wacko BF the Porn the drugs her father etc etc.

If she ran off i think after all the press and publicity she would have come forward if she was a runaway but i sincerely think they did something awfull to her and she is never comming home.:maddening:

parker38
04-20-2011, 10:53 PM
I have a sort of theory & I reckon I can speculate on it here and see what others think.
Is it possible an unnamed POI could insert one's self into doing searches??
Anyone else out there thought that about this case??
Definitely in my opinion. I may be wrong but I think
that's why LE told the people, watch who you're searching with

sreshowtime
04-21-2011, 12:49 AM
yeah it is one hinky search process

TxLady2
04-21-2011, 04:36 PM
I have a sort of theory & I reckon I can speculate on it here and see what others think.
Is it possible an unnamed POI could insert one's self into doing searches??
Anyone else out there thought that about this case??

Yes, it is very possible. There have been times when a spouse or a family member or just some person pretended to be helping to search and "accidentally" discovered the body, led LE right to it. That was within a few days of them missing, though. I don't think that is going to happen here, after this much time, but it's possible.

hollyblue
04-23-2011, 09:33 PM
This is the case I had brought up earlier that reminded me of BD & SA and it was on again just now. I had forgotten that it happened in TX (Georgetown) also and that a TX Ranger cracked the case. The hubby had been charged with a sexual assault, violated probation and was supposed to start a 30 day jail stay for the violation.

The wife thought up this plan for insurance fraud and played it out 2 days before he was to go in. She searched on her work computer. (the co. had just installed new software capturing every key typed) Worst of all, a few weeks after their father "passed" mom brought home a new boyfriend (hubby with dyed hair) and even though the kids kept saying it was daddy....she insisted in was "Gregg".

The 81 year old woman they dug up and burned had always talked about her fear of being burned. :(

Since BD did not have a home computer...I hope the hospital had this software. Hopefully BD will be Molly Daniels new roomy...ASAP.

***The article doesn't say, but she got 20 years and he got 30...even though the jury ask the judge if there was any way to give her more!!!

http://www.digitalgothic.net/Events/News/News8-01-05.htm

swedie
04-24-2011, 12:38 AM
So many theories my head is spinning.:crazy: Alot of great point sleuthers.

This is my theory and JMO. Some things that BD has said in her interviews, I'm going with her PC outside her house, she went into more detail on certain issues. This info can be very telling. I said before that I believe whatever happened to HD, happened at the hands of BD. I think BD and HD got into an argument which turned into a physical one and this was BD's reason for going into detail on;

1. There were no blow outs, arguements...Everybody got pretty much what they asked for for Christmas. Could it be HD was upset because DD got an xbox and all she got was a dumb tv? (Just thinking/talking like a kid). An argument/physical fight happened? DD supposidly left around 9/10pm, and guessed HD would be playing a couple more hours. Maybe after DD left, BD told her to shut the xbox off and go to bed, and HD threw a tempertantrum resulting is the two of them becoming physical.

2. BD in her hurried plea to HD in PC. I want to see and touch your beautiful face and wishing you were back in my livingroom. during PC and she almost breaks down because I think she is feeling guilty for possibly slapping or punching HD in the face. OR pushed her against the glass door (in the livingroom) and HD's face got messed up, (BD's mention of her beautiful face)

3.BD talks about HD sleeping on the couch usually, but that night, and the next morning she mentions HD was in her bed. Again a fight may have broke out or continued because BD wanted HD to go to bed, but HD insisted on staying up and/or sleeping on the couch. BD may have said, "you got a tv for Christmas, in your room now go". More escalation.

4.Then BD goes into detail about DD coming home and knocking, eventually letting himself in through broken window, claiming HD broke it. During HD and BD's fight, HD threatened to leave and go to her dads and as she was trying to exit the house, the window broke, BD pushed her into it. I cannot see someone not repairing or securely covering a broken window. Especially in that neighbourhood kwim.

5.Then BD tells about seeing HD in he bed the next morning saying she was pacified and she felt good. In reality BD did not feel pacified and good, just the opposite when she found HD had passed away in the night. Could it be after the fight the night before HD suffered some type of head trauma from BD, went to bed and when BD checked on her in the morning.

Then I feel this is where SA comes into the picture. He may have gotten involved in the physical confrontation. I feel SA is the one who disposed of HD. He put her into the vehicle, took BD to work, he went to work and left ten minutes later, leaving his coverall there because they may have contained HD's DNA, or turned them in just to make it look good. He left work and disposed of HD's body. First he went to granny's place to get something, (shovel, chainsaw...), then onto his mom's to create his alibi. BD said SA knew he was at his mom's before 8am, because she was still home, she hadn't left for work yet. Once his mom left for work, he had many hours to get rid of HD.

Therefore they are both guilty. BD for killing HD and SA for disposal and cleaning/covering up.

I believe SA and BD have sexually, sick, warps, strange, bizarre, minds, especially SA, but I do not feel HD was included in their fantasies. I think it is just coincidental that this sexual stuff just adds to the drama of the case, but I do not think HD was a victim that way. It seems to me, BD had three "kids" in that house, one being SA. I would not be surprised if SA had sexual thoughts of HD or liked to tease, flirt and spy on her. I just cannot fathom a mother allowing her Mr. Awesomeness to have sexual relationships with her little girl. It happens, but I don't think so in this case. And I believe if HD would have been found on any of those digital devices, CP, someone or would be in jail. ASAP JMHO. I have more to say but you're probably fall asleep reading this lol.:seeya:

scorekeeper
04-25-2011, 01:55 AM
Thank you, Swedie...

You make so valid points and raise some interesting questions......I would like to hear more......

What about if SA made some sexual remarks to BJD about Hailey.......wouldn't that just pizz her off???

Something was going on in that house before/during/after Christmas and it wasn't all happy, go lucky......Hailey wanted to leave.......and BJD wasn't giving her up to nobody (Clint or SA)....

JMO

Soulmagent
05-03-2011, 10:58 AM
So many theories my head is spinning.:crazy: Alot of great point sleuthers.

This is my theory and JMO. Some things that BD has said in her interviews, I'm going with her PC outside her house, she went into more detail on certain issues. This info can be very telling. I said before that I believe whatever happened to HD, happened at the hands of BD. I think BD and HD got into an argument which turned into a physical one and this was BD's reason for going into detail on;

1. There were no blow outs, arguements...Everybody got pretty much what they asked for for Christmas. Could it be HD was upset because DD got an xbox and all she got was a dumb tv? (Just thinking/talking like a kid). An argument/physical fight happened? DD supposidly left around 9/10pm, and guessed HD would be playing a couple more hours. Maybe after DD left, BD told her to shut the xbox off and go to bed, and HD threw a tempertantrum resulting is the two of them becoming physical.

2. BD in her hurried plea to HD in PC. I want to see and touch your beautiful face and wishing you were back in my livingroom. during PC and she almost breaks down because I think she is feeling guilty for possibly slapping or punching HD in the face. OR pushed her against the glass door (in the livingroom) and HD's face got messed up, (BD's mention of her beautiful face)

3.BD talks about HD sleeping on the couch usually, but that night, and the next morning she mentions HD was in her bed. Again a fight may have broke out or continued because BD wanted HD to go to bed, but HD insisted on staying up and/or sleeping on the couch. BD may have said, "you got a tv for Christmas, in your room now go". More escalation.

4.Then BD goes into detail about DD coming home and knocking, eventually letting himself in through broken window, claiming HD broke it. During HD and BD's fight, HD threatened to leave and go to her dads and as she was trying to exit the house, the window broke, BD pushed her into it. I cannot see someone not repairing or securely covering a broken window. Especially in that neighbourhood kwim.

5.Then BD tells about seeing HD in he bed the next morning saying she was pacified and she felt good. In reality BD did not feel pacified and good, just the opposite when she found HD had passed away in the night. Could it be after the fight the night before HD suffered some type of head trauma from BD, went to bed and when BD checked on her in the morning.

Then I feel this is where SA comes into the picture. He may have gotten involved in the physical confrontation. I feel SA is the one who disposed of HD. He put her into the vehicle, took BD to work, he went to work and left ten minutes later, leaving his coverall there because they may have contained HD's DNA, or turned them in just to make it look good. He left work and disposed of HD's body. First he went to granny's place to get something, (shovel, chainsaw...), then onto his mom's to create his alibi. BD said SA knew he was at his mom's before 8am, because she was still home, she hadn't left for work yet. Once his mom left for work, he had many hours to get rid of HD.

Therefore they are both guilty. BD for killing HD and SA for disposal and cleaning/covering up.

I believe SA and BD have sexually, sick, warps, strange, bizarre, minds, especially SA, but I do not feel HD was included in their fantasies. I think it is just coincidental that this sexual stuff just adds to the drama of the case, but I do not think HD was a victim that way. It seems to me, BD had three "kids" in that house, one being SA. I would not be surprised if SA had sexual thoughts of HD or liked to tease, flirt and spy on her. I just cannot fathom a mother allowing her Mr. Awesomeness to have sexual relationships with her little girl. It happens, but I don't think so in this case. And I believe if HD would have been found on any of those digital devices, CP, someone or would be in jail. ASAP JMHO. I have more to say but you're probably fall asleep reading this lol.:seeya:

I agree with you on alot of points.

I tend to think BD's statement may be ''truer'' then most think. Everybody was getting along.
So if something did happen in the house (which i dont really think ) I lean towards a family MMA playtime event which resulted in Hailey's death. I hope not ,and still pray she is alive.

This theory makes much more sence in all aspects in the case but it doesnt cover all the bases. Such as the dogs and the reported mess concerning them. If the MMA play event /accident happened on monday night and an alibi was that would explain the witness the and dogs. Hailey would not of been missing at that time it would have been later monday after the ATM trip. Monday should could have been just fine going about her day.
Was Hailey at Clints Monday night?


This leaves a possible way to be less isolated then just SA and BD and could explain why people seem not to just run over to SA house and kill him and demand answers and why no one is acting like we think they should in this situation. It would be a different situation. Are they behaving like we would expect them to in the theory situation?

noneareworthy
05-07-2011, 10:46 AM
I just don't see BD as the kind of mom who gets mad if a kid in her house stays up late. It was vacation time anyway.

Donjeta
05-07-2011, 07:49 PM
Some parents might get mad because it's past their bedtime and the children need their sleep in order to function well in the morning and others because children being up interferes with the parents' planned night time entertainment.

grandmaj
03-22-2012, 08:23 AM
:bump:

grandmaj
03-22-2012, 09:31 AM
As a result of the events of the past 2 days what is your theory. Remember we don't accuse those not named as POI's by law enforcement, but has your theory changed about what happened to Hailey?

SurfieTX
03-22-2012, 10:58 AM
I saw Precious (the movie) for the first time the other day. For those who have watched it, remember the final scene where Mary is telling Ms. Weiss why she loved and hated Precious?

That, in a nutshell, is how I feel Billie felt about Hailey. I think she knew Shawn either wanted Hailey or had been doing something to her. I think Billie snapped on December 26 when she walked in on him trying and/or touching Hailey. I think she killed her in a fit of rage and made Shawn help her clean it up. Now, she "has her man" all to herself and by the proverbial cajones too because if he ever were to betray her, she takes him down.

They are both guilty: Shawn for being a pedophile, Billie for being a narcissistic jealous mother and both are guilty for Hailey's murder.

LisaB
03-22-2012, 01:07 PM
Some parents might get mad because it's past their bedtime and the children need their sleep in order to function well in the morning and others because children being up interferes with the parents' planned night time entertainment.

When my daughter was that age, I'd have let her stay up late during vacation, so she would sleep most of the time I was at work and I would not have to wonder/worry about where she was and what she was doing.

LisaB
03-22-2012, 01:16 PM
As a result of the events of the past 2 days what is your theory. Remember we don't accuse those not named as POI's by law enforcement, but has your theory changed about what happened to Hailey?

Slightly. My perception of SA, based on his obsession with gore and horror, preculdes his disposal of Hailey intact. I am sorry to upset anyone who doesn't want to consider this, but he seems (particularly in light of the hunting references) to have been more likely to have dismembered the body and taken steps to delay identification (removal of teeth, crushing of skull, removal of hands) as a minimum, if not a full-on butchering that would enable him to dispose of the body over a greater area, and a longer period of time, minimizing the risk of anyone noticing "remains".

txsvicki
03-22-2012, 06:30 PM
My theory way back was that Haylie was most likely raped and murdered by a certain person who has child porn. Now, after months of BD taking up for her boyfriend and accusing everyone else, I'm wondering if there might be more to it besides sexual attack, that is if the main POI is the one who did it, and if the body is Haylie. There have been so many inconsistencies in statements and actions, and there doesn't seem to be a desire to really find Haylie or figure out what did happen. There could have been a sexual attack as the main motive, but also to get rid of a person who was interfering in the relationship. If Haylie had gone to live with her Dad then Billie might have to give up "her" house and pay child support, she might leave SA if he quit his job suddenly, and she might be prevented from moving away and taking the kids, plus he could have gotten revenge for something Haylie may have told on him such as standing outside her bedroom door at night. Finding Haylie, if it's her, so close to his Mom's home doesn't seem like premeditation so maybe he tried something and he was so delusional that he didn't think she would fight back, so he took care of all his and BD's problems at once.

EnvoyDriver61
03-23-2012, 10:02 AM
Thought this information might help here with theories or in conjunction with cell phone pings regarding a potential timeline.


Sunrise/Sunset Dec 27, 2010 in Midland (closest I could find).

Dec 27, 2010 7:47 AM 5:52 PM 10h 04m 06s + 15s12:49 PM34.7 147.116


It would be possible to ping in CC at 6:56 or so and drive to Big Spring and still have 5-15 minutes of darkness/twilight to bury a body quickly.

Kimster
03-23-2012, 10:11 AM
Thought this information might help here with theories or in conjunction with cell phone pings regarding a potential timeline.


Sunrise/Sunset Dec 27, 2010 in Midland (closest I could find).

Dec 27, 2010 7:47 AM 5:52 PM 10h 04m 06s + 15s12:49 PM34.7 147.116


It would be possible to ping in CC at 6:56 or so and drive to Big Spring and still have 5-15 minutes of darkness/twilight to bury a body quickly.

Thank you for that information! I was thinking that the only time the cell phone pinged was during daylight and that was a stumbling block for me! And I don't think he took a lot of time doing it because her remains would have been buried much deeper.

:moo:

grandmaj
03-23-2012, 10:13 AM
Thank You EnvoyDriver61. Good sleuthing... This was very sloppy Kimster. Which leads me to hope that there is some evidence left behind.

LisaB
03-29-2012, 01:01 PM
(snip) Funny enough, she (Billie - added by me) glosses over the goings-on of the night of the 26th as well as most of the day really. She makes them a Christmas dinner which they ate at 2. Next thing you know is she says that DD left earlier than what he told LE. Then she changes that time. (snip)

Here's my "innocent explanation" for the time mixup on Sunday.

Billie fixed them a little "Christmas Dinner" around 2. My daughter and I live alone, and if her schedule requires her to work on a holiday, or she is dating someone and invited to join his family for their holiday meal, I almost always fix us a similar dinner within a few days.

If we apply this scenario to Billie's situation, and realize that Hailey had been at her Dad's (or Connie's) for the REAL Christmas dinner, we begin to understand why Billie fixed a second holiday meal (which she referred to as Christmas Dinner, even though it was not actually Christmas) for them to eat at 2 on Sunday. This is probably unusually early for them to eat, and done primarily because many people eat holiday meals mid-day, and she considered this to be "their" holiday meal. I don't think they ate early because David had plans to go out later on, or it would have been less likely she'd have made the mistake about the time.

If they were done and the mess cleared by 3, the family could have had a "lazy afternoon" until David left 3 hours later, at which time it would have been dark out. If the family NORMALLY ate around 5-6PM on Sundays, then "3 hours later" would have been around 9. Perhaps Billie was estimating his departure time based on the time they ate, thinking they had eaten at their regular time, and had to be reminded that they ate early before she realized he'd actually left much earlier.

What interests me is that she and Shawn appear not to have eaten any dinner at all on Monday. She certainly hasn't mentioned grabbing a burger in Dunn, or calling for a pizza, thawing something, eating at Mom's while there, or even reheating the "Christmas" leftovers.

StacieC
03-29-2012, 07:17 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=howard%20county%20coahoma%20man%20arrest%20for%2 0child%20pornography&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbs7kosa.com%2Fnews%2Fdetails .asp%3FID%3D29171&ei=wet0T43SOsfM2gWLiNzSDQ&usg=AFQjCNG_pchcyek25ndY3RW86fPFEdmqXQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=howard%20county%20coahoma%20man%20arrest%20for%2 0child%20pornography&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CD8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.topix.com%2Fforum%2Fcity%2Fco ahoma-tx%2FTTLVKB1THBSRKMS9P&ei=wet0T43SOsfM2gWLiNzSDQ&usg=AFQjCNEIFHNZ6qtuMvWwGRdcQVcZS1zZxw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=howard%20county%20texas%20man%20solitation%20of% 20teen&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbs7kosa.com%2Fvideo%2Findex. asp%3Fvid%3D14657&ei=X-x0T9HdD-jB2QXM7KGaDQ&usg=AFQjCNF3o5yhg5UOqPx0BS4opV4kmHXN6w

http://www.justice.gov/usao/txn/PressRel11/pelland_PSC_sen_pr.html

Here are some local links for child pornography and child predators in Big Spring, Texas, from just this school year, where the alleged CP was found. Why IF there was CP in Shawn's mother's home has nothing been done?

Jersey*Girl
04-29-2012, 09:14 PM
My theory hasn't changed at all since the very beginning, not even after well named people got involved... Still think BD & SA are involved up to their necks BUT even if it turns out they're innocent, imo BD is STILL a poor excuse of a proper mother.