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TGIRecovered
03-18-2011, 10:11 AM
http://www.macon.com/2011/03/18/1491940/mother-of-missing-west-texas-cheerleader.html

"Kampfer referred further questions to the Mitchell County Jail, where officials said Dunn was booked on misdemeanor charges of hindering apprehension and prosecution."

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Hindering apprehension and prosecution of whom? Has it been said whether SA was definitely arrested and charged?

They weren't trying to arrest him. They were there to serve him with a warrant for the search of his body. She lied and said he wasn't there.

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:19 PM
SNYDER, Texas -- Search warrant affidavits acquired by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act show the warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County Thursday night was used to look for more child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

The affidavit also mentions that pornographic images were found on Adkins' cell phone, and in the computer of Renee N. in Dunn, Texas. This same home was where investigators served the warrant Thursday and took electronic devices. Another resident of that home told authorities that Shawn Adkins used their computer "all the time".


The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

ughhhhhhhhhhh.

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:21 PM
So this fool is STILL messing with child porn.............no words. None. And if he has the cameras....and he was taking pictures, well, I don't want to think about that.

Robyn623
03-18-2011, 03:23 PM
From teh's link:
The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

Also mentions that porn was found on every device they searched.

TexasGiGi
03-18-2011, 03:23 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

uh-oh, the affidavits from last night

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 03:25 PM
More EVERYTHING:

The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City. In the slack space, or the area of the computer where items had been deleted, the FBI found images of child pornography and other obscene images including adult pornography, deviant sexual behavior, and bestiality.

The affidavit also mentions that pornographic images were found on Adkins' cell phone, and in the computer of Renee Norwood in Dunn, Texas. This same home was where investigators served the warrant Thursday and took electronic devices.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Aedrys
03-18-2011, 03:27 PM
SNYDER, Texas -- Search warrant affidavits acquired by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act show the warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County Thursday night was used to look for more child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

The affidavit also mentions that pornographic images were found on Adkins' cell phone, and in the computer of Renee N. in Dunn, Texas. This same home was where investigators served the warrant Thursday and took electronic devices. Another resident of that home told authorities that Shawn Adkins used their computer "all the time".


The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

ughhhhhhhhhhh.

Good God, so every computer/electronic device he touched ended up having porn on it. Wow. That is definitely a porn addiction right there. Holy Cow.

concernedmother
03-18-2011, 03:27 PM
From teh's link:
The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

Also mentions that porn was found on every device they searched.

Well it wont be long now until he goes to jail for a very long time.

Knox
03-18-2011, 03:28 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

uh-oh, the affidavits from last night

That's great but I wanna see the actual affidavit, maybe they will put them up soon.

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:28 PM
The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


That's the bit that really bugs me.............please tell me it was just regular porn, and not child porn pictures that were taken with those cameras.

Aedrys
03-18-2011, 03:30 PM
This is getting uglier by the moment. I think this might be worse than we all imagined...

dog.gone.cute
03-18-2011, 03:31 PM
WHY is Shawn NOT behind bars ?

concernedmother
03-18-2011, 03:31 PM
This is getting uglier by the moment. I think this might be worse than we all imagined...

Im afraid some of these devices have pics of Hailey on them. :(

concernedmother
03-18-2011, 03:32 PM
WHY is Shawn NOT behind bars ?

Maybe because they are still gathering evidence? I hope within the week he is in jail.

matou
03-18-2011, 03:32 PM
The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


That's the bit that really bugs me.............please tell me it was just regular porn, and not child porn pictures that were taken with those cameras.

Unless it was child porn, why would it matter if there were photos of adults taken with the EasyShare Camera? I have a bad feeling about this....:sick:

cleo612
03-18-2011, 03:33 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

uh-oh, the affidavits from last night

I just wrote to the author of this article requesting that he/they please post the search warrants and attached affidavits online for me (us) to read.

I did not mention WS; I wrote him as a private citizen.

I will let you all know if he responds, and if so, whether he agrees to do so or not.

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 03:34 PM
More information regarding all the electronic devices that Shawn used:

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search. Shawn Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer, and has been using friends' and relatives' computers. All of the other users of those computers, according to the affidavit, deny any knowledge of child pornography on their devices.

Another warrant was issued, out of Howard County, but the judge in that case has refused to give the search warrant affidavits to the media. That warrant is believed to have been for body of Shawn Adkins. Most likely to obtain DNA evidence.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Aedrys
03-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Unless it was child porn, why would it matter if there were photos of adults taken with the EasyShare Camera? I have a bad feeling about this....:sick:

I just hope there weren't any bestiality pics taken with those cameras...*shivers*

octobermoon
03-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Im afraid some of these devices have pics of Hailey on them. :(

I keep thinking of Hailey being afraid of sa because he was outside of her bedroom talking on bd's phone. :(

everyoneneedsavoice
03-18-2011, 03:37 PM
The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


That's the bit that really bugs me.............please tell me it was just regular porn, and not child porn pictures that were taken with those cameras.

Me too...also interesting to note, from this same article:

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

Shawn Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer, and has been using friends' and relatives' computers.


Why Garza County? Garza County is Post, TX - which is close to Dunn but I wasn't aware that they had reviewed / received any "potential" evidence or search requests. First time I'm hearing this one...did I miss this previously?

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:38 PM
Hopefully we will get to see the full docs......but it is interesting to note:

Another warrant was issued, out of Howard County, but the judge in that case has refused to give the search warrant affidavits to the media.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


That warrant must be pretty telling.

justus4all
03-18-2011, 03:39 PM
Unless it was child porn, why would it matter if there were photos of adults taken with the EasyShare Camera? I have a bad feeling about this....:sick:

If the camera DOES contain adults in porn shots, where would Shawn have been...to take these pics????

Who does he hang with???....and what areas were the pics taken at???...Open spaces?, fields, homes, .....caves???....

This is getting sicker....JMO...

And this was all going on around Hailey...so sad...

matou
03-18-2011, 03:39 PM
From Wondergirl:

More EVERYTHING:

Quote:
The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City. In the slack space, or the area of the computer where items had been deleted, the FBI found images of child pornography and other obscene images including adult pornography, deviant sexual behavior, and bestiality.

The affidavit also mentions that pornographic images were found on Adkins' cell phone, and in the computer of Renee Norwood in Dunn, Texas. This same home was where investigators served the warrant Thursday and took electronic devices.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

I'm still trying to digest the fact that LE knows that images were deleted and they must know when they were deleted so how come no arrests yet? Could Renee get charged or anyone else who uses that computer?

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 03:39 PM
By the KTXS Exclusive article, it sounds as if Shawn used his phone to take a picture of the picture from the Kodak Camera.

LE states here that they will be further analysing the Kodak Easy Share Camera.

This is very strange, IMO, and I also have a very bad feeling about it. :(

.....pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Me too...also interesting to note, from this same article:

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

Shawn Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer, and has been using friends' and relatives' computers.


Why Garza County? Garza County is Post, TX - which is close to Dunn but I wasn't aware that they had reviewed / received any "potential" evidence or search requests. First time I'm hearing this one...did I miss this previously?

Good catch. I haven't heard Garza County..........

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 03:40 PM
So this fool is STILL messing with child porn.............no words. None. And if he has the cameras....and he was taking pictures, well, I don't want to think about that.

I didn't see any new developments in CP, but just regular porn..?

dog.gone.cute
03-18-2011, 03:40 PM
Im afraid some of these devices have pics of Hailey on them. :(

After reading that article, I feel pretty sure we are going to end up learning that there of pictures of Hailey.


Good God, I hope not !!

It just makes me sick :puke: that Billie outright LIED to LE last night to protect her <modsnip> Shawn when he was right there in her house !

curiousgirl2010
03-18-2011, 03:41 PM
Unless there is verified child porn, Shawn can't be arrested for Porn. A lot of guys have a lot of porn on their electronic devices. More than we probably know.

Porn isn't a crime, unless it involves minors.

matou
03-18-2011, 03:42 PM
If the camera DOES contain adults in porn shots, where would Shawn have been...to take these pics????

Who does he hang with???....and what areas were the pics taken at???...Open spaces?, fields, homes, .....caves???....

This is getting sicker....JMO...

And this was all going on around Hailey...so sad...

Exactly! If they were photos of him with a willing partner than it would not be a big deal to the police IMO. It must be more sinister than that and it has me worried. He is likely a real perv. <modsnip>. JMO

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:43 PM
I didn't see any new developments in CP, but just regular porn..?


According to the warrant affidavit, law enforcement believes that Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of 13 year old Hailey Dunn of Colorado City, is in possession of child pornography, namely, visual material like photographs and video footage.

The warrant, issued by the district judge in Scurry County, gave law enforcement the right to take cameras, cell phones, computers, printers, and other devices which may contain child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

vjlaw
03-18-2011, 03:45 PM
The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


That's the bit that really bugs me.............please tell me it was just regular porn, and not child porn pictures that were taken with those cameras.

Didn't they take all the cameras early in the investigation? So these are recently acquired cameras. LE got wind there were new cameras. If child porn then there are more kids being victimized.

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
After reading that article, I feel pretty sure we are going to end up learning that there of pictures of Hailey.

I wonder if he could have geared up her/DD bathroom with cameras in anyway?

Hope he rots!

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
According to the warrant affidavit, law enforcement believes that Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of 13 year old Hailey Dunn of Colorado City, is in possession of child pornography, namely, visual material like photographs and video footage.

The warrant, issued by the district judge in Scurry County, gave law enforcement the right to take cameras, cell phones, computers, printers, and other devices which may contain child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Video footage? That's just creepy. Does that stuff float around the net? I always thought it was just pictures....Gross...

matou
03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
According to the warrant affidavit, law enforcement believes that Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of 13 year old Hailey Dunn of Colorado City, is in possession of child pornography, namely, visual material like photographs and video footage.

The warrant, issued by the district judge in Scurry County, gave law enforcement the right to take cameras, cell phones, computers, printers, and other devices which may contain child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

I have a bad feeling that SA is stashing a bunch of CP on USBs somewhere because he doesn't want to lose his collection. JMO

Truthwillsetufree
03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
This is getting uglier by the moment. I think this might be worse than we all imagined...

I agree with you, I am so very afraid that this is going to turn out to be horrifying. If I lived in CCity, I would be very much afraid for my children while SA is not in custody, is this irrational?

Melanie
03-18-2011, 03:47 PM
So this fool is STILL messing with child porn.............no words. None. And if he has the cameras....and he was taking pictures, well, I don't want to think about that.

Wow -- this guy has a serious, serious...I mean, seeeerious problem.

In the slack space, or the area of the computer where items had been deleted, the FBI found images of child pornography and other obscene images including adult pornography, deviant sexual behavior, and bestiality.

According to the article:

The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

If so, was BJD lying that there was no child porn on the stick? I know I've seen statements go back and forth on this (not knowing what is true anymore).

The affidavit also mentions that pornographic images were found on Adkins' cell phone, and in the computer of RN in Dunn, Texas. (Note - no mention of deviant sexual behaviour noted in this sentence).

The warrant also mentions that 2 Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that pornographic images found on Adkins' phone were taken on a Kodak Easy Share camera. (Note - no mention of deviant sexual behaviour noted in this sentence).

I would surmise that if deviant sexual behaviour was on the cell phone, he would be behind bars, no?

Thanks, Teh, for the link! http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Mel

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 03:48 PM
Did SA have access to granny's Dunn home every day? We need a new thread for this, me thinks.

yllek
03-18-2011, 03:48 PM
The ktxs reporter (and others) are speculating that the search warrant for Shawn's body was to obtain DNA. I think after 3 months of surveillance, LE might already have DNA from discarded cigarette butts, straws, tissues, combs in Billie's house, etc... With porn popping up everywhere and Shawn's affinity for being in front of the camera, as well as behind it, I think one of LE's likely goals may have been to get photos of his body to compare to images or descriptions from children or other victims of possible sex crimes. MOO...

justus4all
03-18-2011, 03:49 PM
According to the warrant affidavit, law enforcement believes that Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of 13 year old Hailey Dunn of Colorado City, is in possession of child pornography, namely, visual material like photographs and video footage.

The warrant, issued by the district judge in Scurry County, gave law enforcement the right to take cameras, cell phones, computers, printers, and other devices which may contain child pornography.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

underlined by me...

Could it have been possible for S to have secretly videoed H while she was in the bathroom???..bedroom???...I wonder if the LE have checked these rooms for holes in the walls....Sometimes pervs like to spy in windows, use binoculars at night, etc...you get the pic....

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 03:49 PM
Okay.

This Kodak Camera thing.

When were the Cameras purchased? Where?

Where were the Cameras developed? There could be evidence of this. There could be video of him taking the Camera to a Walmart Photolab or something.

For The Kids
03-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Me too...also interesting to note, from this same article:

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

Shawn Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer, and has been using friends' and relatives' computers.


Why Garza County? Garza County is Post, TX - which is close to Dunn but I wasn't aware that they had reviewed / received any "potential" evidence or search requests. First time I'm hearing this one...did I miss this previously?

Ok so does this mean that there WAS stuff on the stick that Billie claimed she had been told there was none on?

cleo612
03-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Lets move search warrant posts to the search warrant thread guys.


grandmaj, do you want me to post in the search warrant thread that I wrote to one of the reporters requesting that they post the search warrants and affidavits online?

Or can you just move my post wherein I stated that? It was this post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 2011.03.17 - Billie Dunn was arrested, Thread #2

Truthwillsetufree
03-18-2011, 03:51 PM
After reading that article, I feel pretty sure we are going to end up learning that there of pictures of Hailey.

OMG, there was another child living in that house as well. He was removed from BD's house.....

Melanie
03-18-2011, 03:51 PM
I agree with you, I am so very afraid that this is going to turn out to be horrifying. If I lived in CCity, I would be very much afraid for my children while SA is not in custody, is this irrational?

I don't think it's irrational. On the BTH show, SA said girl(s) were sending him photos (but he didn't send any). He's obviously got a thing for photographs (I'm sure this is an understatement). So if he's getting photos while in the company of BJD, what is he doing on his own time? What did he do last night?

For anyone to think they can simply delete photos and the FBI won't find it, is ludicrious. Now he's got photos on his cell phone? The photos on the camera mean "up close and personal" - he must have taken them himself? If you look at the you-tube videos, he (IMHO) likes to film himself/have others film him.

Wow - just wow!

MOO

Mel

Aedrys
03-18-2011, 03:52 PM
I'm not seeing a search warrant thread...can someone bump it up?

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 03:52 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

According to search warrant affidavits acquired Friday by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act, the warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County Thursday night was specifically intended look for more child pornography on devices Adkins has been using.

The affidavits confirmed that pornography has been found on a second computer that Adkins uses -- and on his personal cell phone.

The files containing the pornography had been deleted -- but were recovered by law enforcement experts in computer and digital forensics.

According to the warrant affidavit, law enforcement believes that Adkins was in possession of child pornography, namely, visual material like photographs and video footage.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 03:55 PM
thank you surfie!

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 03:55 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok. So is here where we are supposed to talk about it or what?

matou
03-18-2011, 03:56 PM
I'm not seeing a search warrant thread...can someone bump it up?

I don't know where it is either.

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 03:56 PM
Where is SA today? Why has he not been arrested? Or has he? I'm expecting the presser to yield some new info...or at least I can hope!

Did SA have access to granny Dunn's house every day? I'm assuming that is where they found the Kodak cameras. Any techies here? How did LE determine that the photos on his cell phone were taken by a Kodak Easy Share camera?

WillenFan21
03-18-2011, 03:56 PM
OH MY GOD! Found on his cell phone?? Why is he not in jail then? Poor Hailey!! :( I can't believe this man is not in jail yet.

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 03:57 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ok. So is here where we are supposed to talk about it or what?

I'm not sure, but I went ahead started a thread for it. Mods?

trigger
03-18-2011, 04:06 PM
The ktxs reporter (and others) are speculating that the search warrant for Shawn's body was to obtain DNA. I think after 3 months of surveillance, LE might already have DNA from discarded cigarette butts, straws, tissues, combs in Billie's house, etc... With porn popping up everywhere and Shawn's affinity for being in front of the camera, as well as behind it, I think one of LE's likely goals may have been to get photos of his body to compare to images or descriptions from children or other victims of possible sex crimes. MOO...

Yes when they said they got a SW for his body, maybe he has a tattoo somewhere on his body, and I think I know where..Im just sick to my stomach.

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:09 PM
lol, Thanks Mods......

grandmaj
03-18-2011, 04:12 PM
I think Shawn is carrying around memory sticks on his person and that is one of the things they wanted to search him for. :)

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:13 PM
hmmm......That's a good thought. I just can't believe they hadn't tried to get rid of this stuff...why hang on to it?

Salem
03-18-2011, 04:14 PM
Me too...also interesting to note, from this same article:

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

Shawn Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer, and has been using friends' and relatives' computers.


Why Garza County? Garza County is Post, TX - which is close to Dunn but I wasn't aware that they had reviewed / received any "potential" evidence or search requests. First time I'm hearing this one...did I miss this previously?

He's a forensic expert, so maybe he is just helping? With this level of porn though, I would bet money if he did anything to Hailey, there is a picture of it somewhere :(

Salem

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:16 PM
I was so hoping we weren't going to have to go there Salem.......but with the "cameras" - it looks like we may.

sarx
03-18-2011, 04:18 PM
That's great but I wanna see the actual affidavit, maybe they will put them up soon.

I'm with you here. I'm not convinced that they're not mixing old info. with new. Waiting for the actual affidavit with a date stamp on it.

sarx
03-18-2011, 04:19 PM
I think Shawn is carrying around memory sticks on his person and that is one of the things they wanted to search him for. :)
Maybe he swallowed them....:crazy:

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:22 PM
Maybe he swallowed them....:crazy:

Can I say "if he did I hope he choked on them"? :innocent:

Wise Old Owl
03-18-2011, 04:26 PM
Can I say "if he did I hope he choked on them"? :innocent:
or that they come back out sideways!!!! :crazy:

LisaB
03-18-2011, 04:28 PM
From teh's link:
The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer, and one memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

Also mentions that porn was found on every device they searched.

"In the affidavit, he stated that pornographic images had been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search."

BBM

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 04:29 PM
BD will be on telly tonight---per their FB:

http://www.facebook.com/KTXSTelevision?ref=ts

sarx
03-18-2011, 04:29 PM
"In the affidavit, he stated that pornographic images had been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search."

BBM
Oh, I don't doubt that, I'm just wondering which were the Jan. searches and which were yesterday and which were both? KWIM?

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:31 PM
"In the affidavit, he stated that pornographic images had been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search."

BBM


Really? You got a link for that.....because here is the article link and I don't see that quote. Here is what it says.......

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

matou
03-18-2011, 04:31 PM
I think Shawn is carrying around memory sticks on his person and that is one of the things they wanted to search him for. :)

Yes, I think so too. He doesn't want to lose his collection. He is obsessed with porn like he is horror movies and true crime, it seems.

CN2Souls
03-18-2011, 04:32 PM
I think Possible SA is a SA and that is why he doesn't get rid of them... it is part of his addiction..

(SA = Sex Addict)

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 04:34 PM
Oh, I don't doubt that, I'm just wondering which were the Jan. searches and which were yesterday and which were both? KWIM?

The article doesn't go on and then tell where and what electronic devices the actual CP was found on....I'll wait for the SW and AVD too...after all the "reporting" lately.

SNYDER, Texas -- More pornography including child pornography has been found on devices used by Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn, according to law enforcement authorities.


http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Melanie
03-18-2011, 04:39 PM
hmmm......That's a good thought. I just can't believe they hadn't tried to get rid of this stuff...why hang on to it?

Not something me or you would understand, but he has a HUGE addiction to porn, beastiality, and child pornography (criminal).

Pornography addiction, or more broadly overuse of pornography, is excessive pornography use that interferes with daily life.

I think we can safely say that this obviously intereferes with SA's life. All 10K+ images found on every computer device he was in contact with.

Personally, I can't compare it to substance addiction and believe it should not be classed as such. Others feel differently.

This is why I feel he couldn't get rid of it. Like a junkie being asked to get rid of his/her crack. Nope - gotta have it, all the time. I wouldn't be suprised if he had a memory stick in his sock (or drawers for that matter).

MOO

Mel

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 04:42 PM
]The article doesn't go on and then tell where and what electronic devices the actual CP was found on..[/B]..I'll wait for the SW and AVD too...after all the "reporting" lately.

SNYDER, Texas -- More pornography including child pornography has been found on devices used by Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn, according to law enforcement authorities.


http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

bbm,

The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer at the home of Adkins' mother, where Adkins had access to the computer, and on a memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

grandmaj
03-18-2011, 04:44 PM
The article doesn't go on and then tell where and what electronic devices the actual CP was found on....I'll wait for the SW and AVD too...after all the "reporting" lately.

SNYDER, Texas -- More pornography including child pornography has been found on devices used by Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn, according to law enforcement authorities.


http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Flash drives? Would be easy to do forensics on flash drives.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 04:45 PM
another clarifying snip

(((if clarity is what this article did for me.... LOL.... I am still up in the air about that :-)))

In the "slack space," or the area of the computer where items had been deleted, the FBI found images of child pornography and other obscene images including adult pornography, deviant sexual behavior and bestiality, according to the affidavit.
The affidavit details that pornographic images were found among deleted e-mail files on Adkins' cell phone and on a computer in the home of Renee Norwood, Adkins' grandmother.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


betcha SA is hating on that slack space right now

Salem
03-18-2011, 04:45 PM
underlined by me...

Could it have been possible for S to have secretly videoed H while she was in the bathroom???..bedroom???...I wonder if the LE have checked these rooms for holes in the walls....Sometimes pervs like to spy in windows, use binoculars at night, etc...you get the pic....

And is there a link to the painting that BD recently did?

Perplexed,

Salem

SurfieTX
03-18-2011, 04:45 PM
bbm,

The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer at the home of Adkins' mother, where Adkins had access to the computer, and on a memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

We need to hear Toombs interview from today again. IIRC, he retracted a bit and said that the flash drive/memory stick had to be further analyzed as to whether CP was on it. There's a link to the live radio broadcast that should come on again at 5:00. I listened to the 12:00 broadcast, and I'm pretty sure that's what I heard him say.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 04:46 PM
We need to hear Toombs interview from today again. IIRC, he retracted a bit and said that the flash drive/memory stick had to be further analyzed as to whether CP was on it. There's a link to the live radio broadcast that should come on again at 5:00. I listened to the 12:00 broadcast, and I'm pretty sure that's what I heard him say. but the news people have the hard copy affidavits in their wittle hands....

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 04:48 PM
And is there a link to the painting that BD recently did?

Perplexed,

Salem


The first videos show the living room being blue, and the later videos show the living room being tan/beige. The links to both where we compared them are one one of the threads up here...I will try to find them.

Here's one post from a radio show where BD was asked about painting her living room:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Bring Them Home Now - EXCLUSIVE BILLY DUNN SPEAKS OUT MAYBE FOR THE LAST TIME March 2

Blue Eyed Chick
03-18-2011, 04:52 PM
Two thoughts:

You don't have to send photos to Walgreens or CVS to have them printed. You can plug a Kodak Easy Share camera up directly to a printer and print out photos on regular paper or photo paper.

Perhaps part of the reason for using flashlights in yesterday's search was to find holes in the wall. JMO

Lanie
03-18-2011, 04:57 PM
Unless it was child porn, why would it matter if there were photos of adults taken with the EasyShare Camera? I have a bad feeling about this....:sick:

MOO, I think it is because it could be argued others besides SA had access to the mother's computer and the memory stick. The more porn, even if adult, that can be conclusively tied to SA, IMO, the more likely the rest of it, including the CP, belonged to SA as well.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 05:01 PM
Two thoughts:

You don't have to send photos to Walgreens or CVS to have them printed. You can plug a Kodak Easy Share camera up directly to a printer and print out photos on regular paper or printer paper.

Perhaps part of the reason for using flashlights in yesterday's search was to find holes in the wall. JMO


The warrant also mentions that two Kodak Easy Share cameras were in the home, and that some of the pornographic images were taken or transmitted via a Kodak Easy Share camera. Investigators planned to seize the two cameras, among the many other devices, looking for more evidence.
The warrant, issued by District Judge Ernie Armstrong in Scurry County, gave law enforcement the right to take cameras, cell phones, computers, printers and other devices that may contain child pornography.


http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

seems that SA has more to worry about than just the slack space eh?

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 05:04 PM
bbm,

The affidavit confirms earlier reports by KTXS that child pornography was found on a computer at the home of Adkins' mother, where Adkins had access to the computer, and on a memory stick in the home of Hailey Dunn in Colorado City.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

another clarifying snip

(((if clarity is what this article did for me.... LOL.... I am still up in the air about that :-)))



http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html


betcha SA is hating on that slack space right now

I understand that this is also confirming what Sheriff Toombs stated previously about the memory stick, but absolutely nothing in this new article states anything found at Gma had CP. If I've missed something, let me know.

tehcloser
03-18-2011, 05:09 PM
Have they even had time to look at what was at GM's yet? There could very well be child porn on there, the suspicion that there was WAS the reason for the warrant.........we just don't know yet what was found at GM's.

tfrohning
03-18-2011, 05:15 PM
Two thoughts:

You don't have to send photos to Walgreens or CVS to have them printed. You can plug a Kodak Easy Share camera up directly to a printer and print out photos on regular paper or photo paper.

Perhaps part of the reason for using flashlights in yesterday's search was to find holes in the wall. JMO
hmmm I thought the search was at grandma with the lights. I would think they would also check Billie house for any holes in Hailey's room.

Salem
03-18-2011, 05:25 PM
The first videos show the living room being blue, and the later videos show the living room being tan/beige. The links to both where we compared them are one one of the threads up here...I will try to find them.

Here's one post from a radio show where BD was asked about painting her living room:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Bring Them Home Now - EXCLUSIVE BILLY DUNN SPEAKS OUT MAYBE FOR THE LAST TIME March 2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6176826&postcount=199)

Oh thank you teh! I should have been more explicit. I was actually wondering if the painting was to hide evidence of camera or video equipment recently being uninstalled in the living room where Hailey slept. :(

It is strange that one would paint the interior of their house shortly after their daughter goes missing. Not unheard of, I'm sure, because it would be something to keep you busy and help keep your mind off things. Even still it is strange and with all these pictures and videos being found, I just can't help but wonder what her purpose was......

Salem

lynnb
03-18-2011, 05:32 PM
Oh thank you teh! I should have been more explicit. I was actually wondering if the painting was to hide evidence of camera or video equipment recently being uninstalled in the living room where Hailey slept. :(

It is strange that one would paint the interior of their house shortly after their daughter goes missing. Not unheard of, I'm sure, because it would be something to keep you busy and help keep your mind off things. Even still it is strange and with all these pictures and videos being found, I just can't help but wonder what her purpose was......

Salem

first step in painting.....spackle any holes

CN2Souls
03-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Oh thank you teh! I should have been more explicit. I was actually wondering if the painting was to hide evidence of camera or video equipment recently being installed in the living room where Hailey slept. :(

It is strange that one would paint the interior of their house shortly after their daughter goes missing. Not unheard of, I'm sure, because it would be something to keep you busy and help keep your mind off things. Even still it is strange and with all these pictures and videos being found, I just can't help but wonder what her purpose was......

Salem

I also find it weird it was the "livingroom" Last place (only Trustworthy person) DD saw HD. Truly the last person to see her.....

cleo612
03-18-2011, 05:52 PM
I just heard back from Mr. Kendall-Ball at the Reporter News. He told me that they requested copies of the search warrants and affidavits this morning. They were required to file FOIA requests and were informed that it could take time to process their requests. At this point, they have not yet received the info. He told me that as soon as they receive the documents, they WILL be posted on their website.

Melanie
03-18-2011, 05:58 PM
KTXS EXCLUSIVE: Dunn Search Warrant Affidavits Being Held in Howard County

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- Efforts by KTXS to obtain search warrant affidavits from Howard County were unsuccessful.

The search warrant is in the possession of Howard County officers at this time and Judge Hyde declines to release any information regarding an ongoing criminal investigation." The release is signed by Cindy Hall, Court Coordinator.

More here --

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240005/detail.html

Mel

Knox
03-18-2011, 06:00 PM
I think Possible SA is a SA and that is why he doesn't get rid of them... it is part of his addiction..

(SA = Sex Addict)

Nice play on Acronyms, did you think we wouldn't get it? :crazy:

Knox
03-18-2011, 06:04 PM
I also find it weird it was the "livingroom" Last place (only Trustworthy person) DD saw HD. Truly the last person to see her.....

One of Hailey's fav color was blue, weren't the walls blue and painted to brown or beige?

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=203020763060502&id=141796342544494

Knox
03-18-2011, 06:06 PM
KTXS EXCLUSIVE: Dunn Search Warrant Affidavits Being Held in Howard County

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- Efforts by KTXS to obtain search warrant affidavits from Howard County were unsuccessful.

The search warrant is in the possession of Howard County officers at this time and Judge Hyde declines to release any information regarding an ongoing criminal investigation." The release is signed by Cindy Hall, Court Coordinator.

More here --

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240005/detail.html

Mel

Can you imagine playing hard ball with Ann Reed? I do believe BD has met her nemesis.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 06:29 PM
just bringing this over here too (article on grandma's... it has been searched 3 times and porn has been found there the second time it was searched)

Authorities say it's too early to tell if additional child pornography was discovered in the search of Shawn Adkins' grandmother's home in Dunn Thursday evening.
Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs says a number of electronic devices were removed from the home. Those devices will be sent for testing.

Toombs says this is the third search of the home in Dunn, Texas. He said the second search was consensual. Toombs noted pornography was discovered in the second search, but he couldn't confirm it to be child pornography. Toombs says the images are in the process of being analyzed.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

everyoneneedsavoice
03-18-2011, 06:31 PM
The affidavit was submitted by a Garza County Sheriff's Office Investigator who is helping work on the case. The investigator states he found pornography and possible child pornography during a search of a computer Adkins had access to at his grandmother's house in Dunn, Texas, which just north of Colorado City.

The affidavit confirms earlier reports that child pornography was found at Hailey's mother's house and on a computer at Adkin's mother's house in Big Spring. In fact, the documents say pornography and images of deviant acts has been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that has been searched by law enforcement.

http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 06:36 PM
give me Toombs over PK any day... he says what he says.... no beating around the bush and double speak...

moo

Jo in Calif
03-18-2011, 06:37 PM
In fact, the documents say pornography and images of deviant acts has been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that has been searched by law enforcement.
So this would include Billie's phone, that she left at home for her children to use, if her phone could receive picture texts.

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Two thoughts:

You don't have to send photos to Walgreens or CVS to have them printed. You can plug a Kodak Easy Share camera up directly to a printer and print out photos on regular paper or photo paper.

Perhaps part of the reason for using flashlights in yesterday's search was to find holes in the wall. JMO

Right, thanks.

I misunderstood.

I thought the Kodak Easy Share Camera, was a DISPOSABLE camera.

Either way, Shawn transferred or took pictures of the pictures taken by the Kodak Easy Share camera(s), and put them on his phone.

So, I guess the question is, what are the pictures of???

cluciano63
03-18-2011, 06:46 PM
I'm getting the feeling that LE is all over the porn case, but that nothing has lead them to any info about Hailey. I don't think she will turn out to be on any of the photos, images, etc.

Melanie
03-18-2011, 06:48 PM
just bringing this over here too (article on grandma's... it has been searched 3 times and porn has been found there the second time it was searched)

Does the statement of searching 3 times insinuate that SA is downloading images between searches? And that, possibly, he has recently downloaded more (thus the search yesterday).

MOO

Mel

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 06:51 PM
The affidavit was submitted by a Garza County Sheriff's Office Investigator who is helping work on the case. The investigator states he found pornography and possible child pornography during a search of a computer Adkins had access to at his grandmother's house in Dunn, Texas, which just north of Colorado City.

The affidavit confirms earlier reports that child pornography was found at Hailey's mother's house and on a computer at Adkin's mother's house in Big Spring. In fact, the documents say pornography and images of deviant acts has been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that has been searched by law enforcement.

http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

So they have the SW AVD.......why not a link to them???? Geez..........they give us "a little bitty" pic of one document..........:(

Linda7NJ
03-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Right, thanks.

I misunderstood.

I thought the Kodak Easy Share Camera, was a DISPOSABLE camera.

Either way, Shawn transferred or took pictures of the pictures taken by the Kodak Easy Share camera(s), and put them on his phone.

So, I guess the question is, what are the pictures of???

I have an Easy Share, they're not disposable. Just a very simple camera to use.

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 06:58 PM
Mel,
good question....

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 06:59 PM
Where is SA today? Why has he not been arrested? Or has he? I'm expecting the presser to yield some new info...or at least I can hope!

Did SA have access to granny Dunn's house every day? I'm assuming that is where they found the Kodak cameras.

Any techies here?

How did LE determine that the photos on his cell phone were taken by a Kodak Easy Share camera?

BBM: Right Click on a Digital picture. Go to Properties. Click on Details. The "Author" and "Camera" information is there, including the type of camera the picture was taken on, acquired date etc. HTH (not a Techie)

gngr~snap
03-18-2011, 07:00 PM
Oh thank you teh! I should have been more explicit. I was actually wondering if the painting was to hide evidence of camera or video equipment recently being uninstalled in the living room where Hailey slept. :(

It is strange that one would paint the interior of their house shortly after their daughter goes missing. Not unheard of, I'm sure, because it would be something to keep you busy and help keep your mind off things. Even still it is strange and with all these pictures and videos being found, I just can't help but wonder what her purpose was......

Salem

Thank You!!!

I said this on 1/17/11,2/25/11 and now I'm REALLY thinking it may have happened!

TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #27 - Page 12 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

2011.02.24 Deviant images & pornography found on a computer and memory stick - Page 13 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

* snipped for space!

I am totally creeped out right now! What about pinhole cameras? DID LE CHECKFOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? In HD's bathroom/bedroom? They are almost impossible to see with the naked eye. We know about the hunting cameras! had he been watching her shower, change clothes?? I bet he had images/footage of HD! THINK ABOUT IT! ~all the SD cards were missing from the hunting cameras!
The only thing I can think of would be momentos from past crimes/missing girls...

*edited
Do you know how to locate these cameras! You look through a cell phone with the camera on! Try it with your remote controller! Take out your phone open your camera app turn the remote end toward the lens and hit the on/off button! DID YA SE IT?? You can't see the red light with the naked eye, but as you look through your cell you CAN! You can use it in dressing rooms and public bathrooms as well, it works!


#1 NAKED EYE LOOKING AT INFARED LIGHT PICTURE
#2 CAMERA VIEW THROUGH CELL PHONE OF INFARED LIGHT

Princess of Oz
03-18-2011, 07:07 PM
Okay.

This Kodak Camera thing.

When were the Cameras purchased? Where?

Where were the Cameras developed? There could be evidence of this. There could be video of him taking the Camera to a Walmart Photolab or something.

Kodak easy share is a digital camera - I have 2 of them myself.

Princess of Oz
03-18-2011, 07:08 PM
OMG, there was another child living in that house as well. He was removed from BD's house.....

Being a victim of child abuse, and CP this scares me. I can remember vividly being made to perform sex acts with my brother (also a victim) while it was being filmed and photographed. I PRAY to God that HD and DD didn't have to go through this. It's been 25 yrs and I'm still dealing with it.

Knox
03-18-2011, 07:17 PM
Being a victim of child abuse, and CP this scares me. I can remember vividly being made to perform sex acts with my brother (also a victim) while it was being filmed and photographed. I PRAY to God that HD and DD didn't have to go through this. It's been 25 yrs and I'm still dealing with it.

Hugs to you and thank you for sharing that with us. Silence binds, speaking out heals!

Princess of Oz
03-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Hugs to you and thank you for sharing that with us. Silence binds, speaking out heals!

I'm just glad it was me, and not someone else that had to go through it. I cringe to think of someone younger or an elderly person being subjected to it. This is the only place I have ever been comfortable talking about it. So thank Y'all :crazy:

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 07:23 PM
bless you princess!

nyvictoria
03-18-2011, 07:23 PM
Princess of Oz, I'm so sorry. That breaks my heart :( How brave of you to share your pain.

I makes me sick to imagine what Hailey and her brother may have seen and/or heard in that house.

hollyblue
03-18-2011, 07:42 PM
I'm just glad it was me, and not someone else that had to go through it. I cringe to think of someone younger or an elderly person being subjected to it. This is the only place I have ever been comfortable talking about it. So thank Y'all :crazy:

This happens way to frequently also I think. Older women who were dependent upon a relationship and it becomes abusive in more ways than one. Just like children...they are helpless and rarely speak out or tell their own kids. TY

Knox
03-18-2011, 08:00 PM
Wondering what you all think-

Did SA have all the porn, video's, etc. strictly for his own perverted pleasure, or was he making money with it somehow?

nursebeeme
03-18-2011, 08:02 PM
Wondering what you all think-

Did SA have all the porn, video's, etc. strictly for his own perverted pleasure, or was he making money with it somehow?
just my own opinion...

but he already likes to trade things... masks... creepy videos..

I bet he has been doing some file sharing, etc...

mooooooooo

Knox
03-18-2011, 08:05 PM
just my own opinion...

but he already likes to trade things... masks... creepy videos..

I bet he has been doing some file sharing, etc...

mooooooooo

Sharing and making a profit? To me if he was making money at it, that puts a whole different spin on Hailey's case.

Kimster
03-18-2011, 08:13 PM
http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

The search warrant affidavit was released Friday through a Freedom of Information Act request to a court in Scurry County by KTXS-TV in Abilene and then shared with NewsWest9.<snipped>

Kimmer
03-18-2011, 08:17 PM
I cant help but wonder ever since LE stated that every single electronic device of SA has had child sexual abuse photos on them so I went and did a little digging around for what kind of memory card could be used in the Kodak Easy Share camera as well as what kind of memory card the trail hiking cameras used and what do you know they both can use the SD memory card, this may very well explain why there were no memory cards in the hiking trail cameras....I can only imagine what may have been on those cameras and then SA would be able to tape away on the hiking trail camera and then take out the memory card and place it in his camera to view the contents and then he could just pop it into his printer to print what he had possibly done while taping in the woods....Below are the links that I found showing that both devices can use the same SD card.

http://support.en.kodak.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/1391/selected/true

http://www.callingbears.com/TrailCameraBasicsTipsandMore.pdf

passionflower
03-18-2011, 09:05 PM
What more does LE need to put SA in jail? Just a few child abuse porn should put him away for awhile til Hailey is found.
I wonder if he videoed himself?
or if wierd cousin or BD was the Photographer also in some family photos........
OMG, poor Hailey, I'm sick thinking she was used in that way if it comes true.
sick, pure evil that everything SA touched was porn in bad ways and all his goofy
drugged up, slasher videos.......BD must love this stuff also. JMO thougts

Nail them both!!

lonetraveler
03-18-2011, 09:11 PM
As I read through all the posts regarding the huge extent of pornography, I can't help but remember the statement SA made about Hailey being promiscuous. Did he photograph something secretly?:maddening:

curiousc
03-18-2011, 09:28 PM
Wondering what you all think-

Did SA have all the porn, video's, etc. strictly for his own perverted pleasure, or was he making money with it somehow?

With that many images and more found, I bet it was both.

my_tee_mouse
03-18-2011, 09:34 PM
Right, thanks.

I misunderstood.

I thought the Kodak Easy Share Camera, was a DISPOSABLE camera.

Either way, Shawn transferred or took pictures of the pictures taken by the Kodak Easy Share camera(s), and put them on his phone.

So, I guess the question is, what are the pictures of???
My Kodak Easy Share is NOT disposable. And it's easy as pie to hook up to your computer, download your photos and print them out with it.
ETA: I've never even thought about downloading Easy Share pix to my phone. I'll have to figure out how to do that.

Kamille
03-18-2011, 09:42 PM
My Kodak Easy Share is NOT disposable. And it's easy as pie to hook up to your computer, download your photos and print them out with it.
ETA: I've never even thought about downloading Easy Share pix to my phone. I'll have to figure out how to do that.

I have a Kodak Easy Share camera. It will take the same micro SD card, with a micro SD adapter, that a blackberry phone uses. Very easy to download pictures from the camera to the phone.

Princess of Oz
03-18-2011, 09:50 PM
I hate to say this, because I always try to find the good in people. I really hate having to admit someone is bad. However, in this case, I would have (as a mom) already printed out SA's picture and took it to my kids and sat them down and asked if they knew this man. If they said yes I would be asking them some very detailed questions. I'm tender on the subject as it is - but I would be finding out if he had ever gotten near my babies. I wonder if any of the CCity people have done that.

MOO moo Moo!

cluciano63
03-18-2011, 09:59 PM
I have to think that if even one image of Hailey had been found, SA would be arrested, as they KNOW she is underage and would not have to do any digging to try to find out. His relatives probably did not have access to Hailey to photograph her in any way, so it would be reasonable to conclude that he did it.

Wondergirl
03-18-2011, 10:07 PM
The pornographic images were believed to have been made with the Kodak Easy Share Camera.

They were MADE.

Did they involve children? :(


The affidavit also states that some of the pornographic images retrieved from a memory stick and cell phone belonging to Shawn Adkins were made using a Kodak Easy Share camera. Two of those cameras were found at his grandmother's home in Dunn.

http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

ThoughtFox
03-18-2011, 10:10 PM
I cant help but wonder ever since LE stated that every single electronic device of SA has had child sexual abuse photos on them so I went and did a little digging around for what kind of memory card could be used in the Kodak Easy Share camera as well as what kind of memory card the trail hiking cameras used and what do you know they both can use the SD memory card, this may very well explain why there were no memory cards in the hiking trail cameras....I can only imagine what may have been on those cameras and then SA would be able to tape away on the hiking trail camera and then take out the memory card and place it in his camera to view the contents and then he could just pop it into his printer to print what he had possibly done while taping in the woods....Below are the links that I found showing that both devices can use the same SD card.

http://support.en.kodak.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/1391/selected/true

http://www.callingbears.com/TrailCameraBasicsTipsandMore.pdf

Kimmer, I think the trail cam thing was a rumor only and has never been verified by any warrants or stories in the MSM. At least I've never seen anything about it that confirms it was true.

(For those who are new here, there was a rumor that SA's family owned hunting land where some trailcams had memory cards stolen. But that has never been verified as a fact.)

mck16
03-18-2011, 10:17 PM
http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

The search warrant affidavit was released Friday through a Freedom of Information Act request to a court in Scurry County by KTXS-TV in Abilene and then shared with NewsWest9.<snipped>

I understand that the reason LE went to bd's was to serve sa with a warrant. My question is did they serve him and get what ever it was they wanted? Did they search him at bd's before they took her away? tia

Truthwillsetufree
03-18-2011, 11:10 PM
Thank You!!!

I said this on 1/17/11,2/25/11 and now I'm REALLY thinking it may have happened!

TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #27 - Page 12 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6023214)

2011.02.24 Deviant images & pornography found on a computer and memory stick - Page 13 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6156284)

* snipped for space!

I am totally creeped out right now! What about pinhole cameras? DID LE CHECKFOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? In HD's bathroom/bedroom? They are almost impossible to see with the naked eye. We know about the hunting cameras! had he been watching her shower, change clothes?? I bet he had images/footage of HD! THINK ABOUT IT! ~all the SD cards were missing from the hunting cameras!
The only thing I can think of would be momentos from past crimes/missing girls...

*edited
Do you know how to locate these cameras! You look through a cell phone with the camera on! Try it with your remote controller! Take out your phone open your camera app turn the remote end toward the lens and hit the on/off button! DID YA SE IT?? You can't see the red light with the naked eye, but as you look through your cell you CAN! You can use it in dressing rooms and public bathrooms as well, it works!


#1 NAKED EYE LOOKING AT INFARED LIGHT PICTURE
#2 CAMERA VIEW THROUGH CELL PHONE OF INFARED LIGHT

Far Out!!!! I tried this just now and it really works! Thanks, just showed my DD how to do it too!!!!

Truthwillsetufree
03-18-2011, 11:19 PM
I'm just glad it was me, and not someone else that had to go through it. I cringe to think of someone younger or an elderly person being subjected to it. This is the only place I have ever been comfortable talking about it. So thank Y'all :crazy:

Thank you for sharing such a painful thing. It wasn't until a few years ago when I started following a case here at WS that I was made aware of the magnitude of crimes against children. It blew my mind then and continues to do so. I admire survivors (you) that are willing to share in hopes that maybe 1 other child will be saved. You are a blessing!:hug:

gngr~snap
03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Far Out!!!! I tried this just now and it really works! Thanks, just showed my DD how to do it too!!!!

now try it at the ATM, wal mart, Quicktrip etc see what cameras that you can see look like thru your cell!

MsFacetious
03-19-2011, 01:54 AM
You could definitely use the same memory cards in two EasyShare cameras... as well as email pictures to your phone.

Regardless of what you are using the SD card in... it isn't just the type of card... but the SIZE that matters. (Really, no pun intended... I couldn't figure out how else to phrase that.)

Example...

I have a Kodak EasyShare P850. (Which, by the way also takes VIDEO.) I have a 1GB SD card for it and always have.

I also have a Nikon D40 and have a 1GB SD card for that. It wasn't uncommon for me to swap the cards back and forth all the time. I would hook up one camera to download pictures and then just put all memory cards in that camera one at a time.

Then I got a 4GB card for my Nikon D40, so I didn't have to switch cards while shooting a wedding or something.

I cannot use the 4GB SD card in the Kodak EasyShare P850. They do HAVE 4GB Kodak SD cards for it, but just a standard one doesn't work.

The SD card one would use on a trail camera sounds like it would be a large one... at least 4GB, to hold "thousands" of pictures. Unless it was a KODAK SD card, odds are not good it would then work in a Kodak EasyShare camera.

I cant help but wonder ever since LE stated that every single electronic device of SA has had child sexual abuse photos on them so I went and did a little digging around for what kind of memory card could be used in the Kodak Easy Share camera as well as what kind of memory card the trail hiking cameras used and what do you know they both can use the SD memory card, this may very well explain why there were no memory cards in the hiking trail cameras....I can only imagine what may have been on those cameras and then SA would be able to tape away on the hiking trail camera and then take out the memory card and place it in his camera to view the contents and then he could just pop it into his printer to print what he had possibly done while taping in the woods....Below are the links that I found showing that both devices can use the same SD card.

http://support.en.kodak.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/1391/selected/true

http://www.callingbears.com/TrailCameraBasicsTipsandMore.pdf

Knox
03-19-2011, 02:24 AM
now try it at the ATM, wal mart, Quicktrip etc see what cameras that you can see look like thru your cell!

I giggled as I thought about all of us going round public places looking high and low through our cell phones. Somebody will prob think you're taking pictures of them and call the cops, lol.

Honest Officer, I am a Websleuth member, call Tricia, she'll vouch for me.

Lera213
03-19-2011, 02:34 AM
I haven't read all the pages here so please excuse me if this was asked and answered. I was wondering if anyone here that LE has identified the minor in the CP video's?

Princess of Oz
03-19-2011, 02:51 AM
I haven't read all the pages here so please excuse me if this was asked and answered. I was wondering if anyone here that LE has identified the minor in the CP video's?

Not to my knowledge they haven't.

Caligram
03-19-2011, 04:23 AM
I think I am going to urp...oh please....let HD not be in any of his filthy pics.

katydid23
03-19-2011, 04:37 AM
I think I am going to urp...oh please....let HD not be in any of his filthy pics.

I think that if she were in any of the pix Shawn would be arrested already. imo

txsvicki
03-19-2011, 04:51 AM
now try it at the ATM, wal mart, Quicktrip etc see what cameras that you can see look like thru your cell!


Can you explain again since I don't have a cell phone, and want to tell my daughters. Is this how to check for a hidden camera? Just point the cell phone around the room with the camera function on, and hit on and off ? I'm not sure I'm understanding how to actually see it, and can it be done with a Kodak easy share or does it have to be a cell phone?.

TobyWong*
03-19-2011, 05:35 AM
Wondering what you all think-

Did SA have all the porn, video's, etc. strictly for his own perverted pleasure, or was he making money with it somehow?

imo. bd seems to me like a person who will do just about ANYTHING for the money. She likes to show how she can do everything on her own. IMO these 2 hooking up brought together sa's young age/maturity level, bd's own maturity level & lack of moral compass, add in the economic times we are in and the fact they are both drug users. Yes i think they were making money off pics. or trying to.

gngr~snap
03-19-2011, 06:00 AM
Can you explain again since I don't have a cell phone, and want to tell my daughters. Is this how to check for a hidden camera? Just point the cell phone around the room with the camera function on, and hit on and off ? I'm not sure I'm understanding how to actually see it, and can it be done with a Kodak easy share or does it have to be a cell phone?.

GOOD question! You are correct but the on off button only refers to infared remote controls as the infared is only activated when a button on the remote is pressed. Pin Hole cameras can run constantly or be activated when they sense movement and be set to capture a picture as often as every few seconds OR a video as long as movement contines then stops recording after a preset time with lack of movement. Or 24/7..
Went and got my camera. Kodak Easy Share C875. AND YES!!! It works too. My neigjbor has a camera aimed in the cul-de-sac,he says he can read license plates as car exit the turn. It's dark I'm going to see if my camera and phone can find his light... MOON may be too bright... I do not know where he has them mounted ...:waitasec: be right back :websleuther:

gngr~snap
03-19-2011, 06:05 AM
OMG!!! IT WORKS! I will upload pic in a min!!! AN INFARED LIGHT IS A GREISH BLUE COLOR...

pic #1 unretouched!

pic#2 lights seen explained.

wow:ohwow:

gngr~snap
03-19-2011, 07:11 AM
OMG!!! IT WORKS! I will upload pic in a min!!! AN INFARED LIGHT IS A GREISH BLUE COLOR...

pic #1 unretouched!

pic#2 lights seen explained.

wow:ohwow:

Couldn't edit but here is a satellite photo of the home in the day light approx where I was standing in the cul de sac - (just for reference...)

Blue Eyed Chick
03-19-2011, 09:39 AM
My cell phone also uses a SD card.

Allusonz
03-19-2011, 11:19 AM
Thank You!!!

I said this on 1/17/11,2/25/11 and now I'm REALLY thinking it may have happened!

TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #27 - Page 12 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6023214)

2011.02.24 Deviant images & pornography found on a computer and memory stick - Page 13 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6156284)

* snipped for space!

I am totally creeped out right now! What about pinhole cameras? DID LE CHECKFOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? In HD's bathroom/bedroom? They are almost impossible to see with the naked eye. We know about the hunting cameras! had he been watching her shower, change clothes?? I bet he had images/footage of HD! THINK ABOUT IT! ~all the SD cards were missing from the hunting cameras!
The only thing I can think of would be momentos from past crimes/missing girls...

*edited
Do you know how to locate these cameras! You look through a cell phone with the camera on! Try it with your remote controller! Take out your phone open your camera app turn the remote end toward the lens and hit the on/off button! DID YA SE IT?? You can't see the red light with the naked eye, but as you look through your cell you CAN! You can use it in dressing rooms and public bathrooms as well, it works!


#1 NAKED EYE LOOKING AT INFARED LIGHT PICTURE
#2 CAMERA VIEW THROUGH CELL PHONE OF INFARED LIGHT

This is one of first ideas with respect to this case that has made any sense to me in this entire mess

I do believe within that maze of photos something has in fact been found with respect to Hailey

gypsyblue
03-19-2011, 11:34 AM
while I agree with some that if Hailey were in any of the photos SA would have already been arrested. ...but....they had to get a search warrant on his body for a reason, so imo it just may be that Hailey is in them and they are still trying to identify the perp in some of them. It may also be more than one perp... none of us know the content of the images and videos, what is depicted and what is hidden, what if there is nothing that is obviously identifiable and the proof LE needs may be so intricate it takes some time.....jmooc

nana0
03-19-2011, 11:51 AM
I also think the search warrant for SA's body is to ID him in pics.His body could be in the pics,but,not his face.Also,any children in the pics may not have their face visible since one of the articles stated the pics MAY have an underage child.(I will go find the article).

Sounds like whoever stole the SD Cards from the Hunting Cams needed alot of storage for alot of pics.Sounds like SA.....

grandmaj
03-19-2011, 12:00 PM
Guys the only place we have seen anything about hunting cams was Facebook. That is rumor we can't bring it here. NO FB in the Hailey Forum.

nana0
03-19-2011, 12:11 PM
http://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=14280517

The search warrant affidavit was released Friday through a Freedom of Information Act request to a court in Scurry County by KTXS-TV in Abilene and then shared with NewsWest9.<snipped>

This is the article that says more porn & POSSIBLE CHILD PORN found.Makes me think looks like underage person in pics,but,maybe face not visible.

Quiche
03-19-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm feeling very uneasy about Billie's insistence Hailey become a cheerleader... :(

Quester
03-19-2011, 01:12 PM
Has the search warrant of SA's grandma's house/property been made public in full yet?

In the 3/18 KTXS video, the document is shown so it is in their possession. Wish they would scan and attach it as well.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Lera213
03-19-2011, 01:12 PM
I never ever hinted that maybe HD was in the CP pictures. I was just wondering since LE stated that it is CP why haven't they tried to identify the child, and speak with those parents. Maybe the CP the girls are older lets say 14 who could identify or give LE more.

LisaB
03-19-2011, 02:15 PM
Really? You got a link for that.....because here is the article link and I don't see that quote. Here is what it says.......

J. Bruce Flournoy, of the Garza County Sheriff's Department, issued the request. He goes on to add that pornographic images have been found on every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Certainly:
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html
"In the affidavit, he stated that pornographic images had been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search." (BBM)
hth

kantoo
03-19-2011, 02:32 PM
Has the search warrant of SA's grandma's house/property been made public in full yet?

In the 3/18 KTXS video, the document is shown so it is in their possession. Wish they would scan and attach it as well.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240005/detail.html

Dunn Search Warrant Affidavits Being Held in Howard County

So i'm wondering, is the affidavit they are talking about from an earlier search? Whatever it is they should post the actual document.

grandmaj
03-19-2011, 05:15 PM
These findings were made before search warrants were executed Thursday, when law enforcement officers seized more devices.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

So this tells me that either there was another search warrant or Grandma gave up her computer voluntarily to LE.

The affidavit details that pornographic images were found among deleted e-mail files on Adkins' cell phone and on a computer in the home of Renee Norwood, Adkins' grandmother.

I think the affidavit they are talking about is the one used to obtain search warrants for Thursday. But in the affidavit they state, they already have searched forensically the grandmother's computer. Which means she either gave it up voluntarily or there were other warrants.

I don't know how SA can stand it. They are all over him and yet he acts like nothing is going on?

grandmaj
03-19-2011, 05:25 PM
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

Toombs says this is the third search of the home in Dunn, Texas. He said the second search was consensual. Toombs noted pornography was discovered in the second search, but he couldn't confirm it to be child pornography. Toombs says the images are in the process of being analyzed.

So there you go Grandma let search which leads to the question is she cooperating with LE?

yllek
03-19-2011, 05:36 PM
Certainly:
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html
"In the affidavit, he stated that pornographic images had been found on every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search." (BBM)
hth

Weird teh and LisaB - the article was updated; you both quoted it correctly.

The first version just said .."every electronic device that law enforcement has been able to search"...

The updated version posted now says "every electronic device connected to Adkins that law enforcement has been able to search"...

Since the quote was supposedly pulled from the affidavit, it shouldn't change. I wish we could see the actual affidavit and find out what it really says...

Pondering Mind
03-19-2011, 05:45 PM
while I agree with some that if Hailey were in any of the photos SA would have already been arrested. ...but....they had to get a search warrant on his body for a reason, so imo it just may be that Hailey is in them and they are still trying to identify the perp in some of them. It may also be more than one perp... none of us know the content of the images and videos, what is depicted and what is hidden, what if there is nothing that is obviously identifiable and the proof LE needs may be so intricate it takes some time.....jmooc

When I've thought about this I've wondered if pics may have been taken of any minors (including Hailey) where their faces would not be immediately identifiable. (and/or the perp, as you said gypsy) I truly believe that with Shawn's fondness for filth he would not be able to pass up the chance to film anything he could if ykwim?

Pondering Mind
03-19-2011, 05:56 PM
I also find it weird it was the "livingroom" Last place (only Trustworthy person) DD saw HD. Truly the last person to see her.....

and where she slept every night up until a few days before she disappeared. So did a frustrated Shawn try a bolder tactic and get caught by Hailey? IDK, but whatever happened I'm afraid it was horrific..:(..

LisaB
03-19-2011, 06:01 PM
Sharing and making a profit? To me if he was making money at it, that puts a whole different spin on Hailey's case.

I think it's distribution whether or not he profits from it.

yllek
03-19-2011, 06:08 PM
When I've thought about this I've wondered if pics may have been taken of any minors (including Hailey) where their faces would not be immediately identifiable. (and/or the perp, as you said gypsy) I truly believe that with Shawn's fondness for filth he would not be able to pass up the chance to film anything he could if ykwim?

I was wondering the same Pondering Mind. He obviously likes dehumanizing images. If there's homegrown porn (which I strongly suspect), maybe filming without the faces or cropping them out later to be less incriminating?

I also wonder if masks were worn in the filming of the deviant images. Shawn loves those masks and they would also serve to hide identity. Remember, Billie said that she knew about the mask only because she was aware Shawn traded them, she had seen them on-line and it "wasn't good" (on Nancy Grace 1/17/2011). Then, she admitted that LE had confiscated "a mask" from her home (BTHN 3/3/2011 interview), but also mentioned a collection (plural). Then, Shawn mentioned that he personally owned masks, but only for "display purposes", moments later contradicting himself by stating that Hailey wasn't afraid of his masks because she wore them while they sat around watching horror, um comedy, movies together (BTHN 3/4/2011 interview).

Why so many inconsistencies about the masks? I think they play into the deviant images. Also think it's possible Hailey's DNA was found inside a mask(s) and it wasn't because she willing wore it to sit around the house with Shawn... JMO... :curses:

LisaB
03-19-2011, 06:25 PM
By the KTXS Exclusive article, it sounds as if Shawn used his phone to take a picture of the picture from the Kodak Camera.
...snip...
I think the photos were transfered electronically. They would have retained the "extended file information" that includes the model of the camera used. Photos taken of prints wouldn't provide that kind of information.

Didn't they take all the cameras early in the investigation? So these are recently acquired cameras. LE got wind there were new cameras. If child porn then there are more kids being victimized.

They took what seemed relevant in the first warrant, which was cameras phones and other electronic media and devices from BILLIE's house. I don't think they had a warrant to take things from Shawn's grandmother's or mom's houses during those early searches. When they got his Mom's computer it was because she gave that up voluntarily.

...snip... How did LE determine that the photos on his cell phone were taken by a Kodak Easy Share camera?

There's extra information encoded into the photo when you take it by the camera. It is there if you "right click" on a picture file and look around the various tabs.


The pornographic images were believed to have been made with the Kodak Easy Share Camera.

They were MADE.

Did they involve children? :(

Some were made. Remember Billie said he'd taken photos of their personal life in the bedroom and they were on the flash drive? They could have been taken with the easyshare camera. I am not familiar with that camera... can anyone tell me if it has a self-timer so you can set it and jump into the picture before in snaps the image?

I understand that the reason LE went to bd's was to serve sa with a warrant. My question is did they serve him and get what ever it was they wanted? Did they search him at bd's before they took her away? tia

while I agree with some that if Hailey were in any of the photos SA would have already been arrested. ...but....they had to get a search warrant on his body for a reason, so imo it just may be that Hailey is in them and they are still trying to identify the perp in some of them. It may also be more than one perp... none of us know the content of the images and videos, what is depicted and what is hidden, what if there is nothing that is obviously identifiable and the proof LE needs may be so intricate it takes some time.....jmooc

I also think the search warrant for SA's body is to ID him in pics.His body could be in the pics,but,not his face.Also,any children in the pics may not have their face visible since one of the articles stated the pics MAY have an underage child.(I will go find the article).
...snip...

"A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said."

SmoothOperator
03-19-2011, 06:30 PM
snipped from ktxs article linked above
According to search warrant affidavits acquired Friday by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act, a warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County on Thursday was specifically intended to look for more child pornography on computers, discs and other digital devices Adkins has been using.
The affidavits stated that pornography has been found on a second computer that Adkins used – and on his personal cell phone.

Shortly after hearing this latest HUGE break in the goings on of Hailey's investigation, I quickly came to the conlusion that atleast in part, LE motives were to prove that Shawn's "hobby" was infact an addiction, full fledged obsession by them reanalyzing already analyzed electronic devices that had proven to be positive for the deviant porn, emphasis on CP/BS type of deviant pornography..In retesting devices that have been shown to have the CP they IMO are clearly showing that tho Shawn knows full well this very intense and closely monitored investigation is pretty much full force, zeroed in on him..he still cannot control his desires,and extreme strong need for engaging in, viewing/downloading, exchanging, etc in the child pornography for a period of time that he without a doubt know he is being extremely closely monitored..

This IMO speak volumes in proportions I've personally not seen.. A deep-seeded addiction and obsession..and it will be a 100% slam dunk case in convicting Shawn Adkins of child porn that IMO will definitely make headlines.

And now after having more time to read most articles, and see all the info that we have at this time, I have definitely concluded that this is indeed, as I said, atleast part of what they are attempting to prove...IMO they are steadily, methodically, and IMO thoroughly building an EXTREMELY DAMNING case against Shawn Adkins for the child pornography charge... Will this lead us to Hailey? I am still not quite sure, but I can tell you one thing I am certain of and that is that this child porn involvement has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHY HAILEY IS NOT AT HOME SAFE AND SOUND IN CCITY AS WE SPEAK..jmo, tho!
.

This is what is at the very root of why and what happened to Hailey in/or around December 27, 2010.. That I have zero doubt about..jmo, tho!

Lera213
03-19-2011, 06:35 PM
I was wondering the same Pondering Mind. He obviously likes dehumanizing images. If there's homegrown porn (which I strongly suspect), maybe filming without the faces or cropping them out later to be less incriminating?

I also wonder if masks were worn in the filming of the deviant images. Shawn loves those masks and they would also serve to hide identity. Remember, Billie said that she knew about the mask only because she was aware Shawn traded them, she had seen them on-line and it "wasn't good" (on Nancy Grace 1/17/2011). Then, she admitted that LE had confiscated "a mask" from her home (BTHN 3/3/2011 interview), but also mentioned a collection (plural). Then, Shawn mentioned that he personally owned masks, but only for "display purposes", moments later contradicting himself by stating that Hailey wasn't afraid of his masks because she wore them while they sat around watching horror, um comedy, movies together (BTHN 3/4/2011 interview).

Why so many inconsistencies about the masks? I think they play into the deviant images. Also think it's possible Hailey's DNA was found inside a mask(s) and it wasn't because she willing wore it to sit around the house with Shawn... JMO... :curses:
BBM and color mine. I see you are probably right and SA mentioned HD wearing the mask in case DNA evidence was found on one of them. His way to excuse that DNA away. you are on to something!

Lera213
03-19-2011, 06:39 PM
Item being piercing stud on his private area?

LisaB
03-19-2011, 06:51 PM
snipped from ktxs article linked above
According to search warrant affidavits acquired Friday by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act, a warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County on Thursday was specifically intended to look for more child pornography on computers, discs and other digital devices Adkins has been using.
The affidavits stated that pornography has been found on a second computer that Adkins used and on his personal cell phone.
snipped from ktxs article linked above
According to search warrant affidavits acquired Friday by KTXS through the Freedom of Information Act, a warrant used by law enforcement in Scurry County on Thursday was specifically intended to look for more child pornography on computers, discs and other digital devices Adkins has been using.
The affidavits stated that pornography has been found on a second computer that Adkins used and on his personal cell phone.
Shortly after hearing this latest HUGE break in the goings on of Hailey's investigation, I quickly came to the conlusion that atleast in part, LE motives were to prove that Shawn's "hobby" was infact an addiction, full fledged obsession by them reanalyzing already analyzed electronic devices that had proven to be positive for the deviant porn, emphasis on CP/BS type of deviant pornography..In retesting devices that have been shown to have the CP they IMO are clearly showing that tho Shawn knows full well this very intense and closely monitored investigation is pretty much full force, zeroed in on him..he still cannot control his desires,and extreme strong need for engaging in, viewing/downloading, exchanging, etc in the child pornography for a period of time that he without a doubt know he is being extremely closely monitored..

This IMO speak volumes in proportions I've personally not seen.. A deep-seeded addiction and obsession..and it will be a 100% slam dunk case in convicting Shawn Adkins of child porn that IMO will definitely make headlines.

And now after having more time to read most articles, and see all the info that we have at this time, I have definitely concluded that this is indeed, as I said, atleast part of what they are attempting to prove...IMO they are steadily, methodically, and IMO thoroughly building an EXTREMELY DAMNING case against Shawn Adkins for the child pornography charge... Will this lead us to Hailey? I am still not quite sure, but I can tell you one thing I am certain of and that is that this child porn involvement has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHY HAILEY IS NOT AT HOME SAFE AND SOUND IN CCITY AS WE SPEAK..jmo, tho!
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This is what is at the very root of why and what happened to Hailey in/or around December 27, 2010.. That I have zero doubt about..jmo, tho!

The new stuff has not been characterized as CP (yet), just "pornography" which isn't to say that won't change as LE conducts their investigation. If anything, by continuing to download more mainstream porn ONLY he could be hoping to cast doubt on how the illegal stuff got on his computer (you know, by accident). There's been no indication that these are new images, just newly collected by LE. They may have been deleted from devices that were simply not checked before.

SmoothOperator
03-19-2011, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by LisaB
Some were made. Remember Billie said he'd taken photos of their personal life in the bedroom and they were on the flash drive? They could have been taken with the easyshare camera. I am not familiar with that camera... can anyone tell me if it has a self-timer so you can set it and jump into the picture before in snaps the image?


Yes it has several different time frames to choose from in the self-timer mode for taking photos.. And I also wanted to mention{not sure if already brought up} that the Kodak Easy Share is also fully capable of video{full video capabilities of 20+ mins at a time..all dependent on the size GB of the memory of the cam and/or card}.. Also can be started with a self-timer, as well as some are equipped with a remote to completely control the videoing and/or photographing taking place..Ours even has a tripod for the camera to easily adapt to{and before any one even thinks ours is for home grown porn}..lol..actually the entire reason for the remote as well as the tripod is for the purpose of our family Christmas photo for our Christmas cards every year..lol..I got really tired of the method I used for years of setting the camera on top of table, stacked w/books, boxes, etc to get it to the height necessary for the group shot..as well as setting the self-timer and then attempting to haul my azz quickly into position and still have a convincing, UN-cheezy smile in the photo!!!..After years of frustration I got us the remote and tripod and oh how very much more pleasant and easily obtained our fam photo for Christmas cards have been the last 2 years..lol

wish I'd invested in those items ages ago..lol..

SmoothOperator
03-19-2011, 07:09 PM
The new stuff has not been characterized as CP (yet), just "pornography" which isn't to say that won't change as LE conducts their investigation. If anything, by continuing to download more mainstream porn ONLY he could be hoping to cast doubt on how the illegal stuff got on his computer (you know, by accident). There's been no indication that these are new images, just newly collected by LE. They may have been deleted from devices that were simply not checked before.


Above BBM.. My entire post was referencing ONLY THE RE-ANALYZING OF ALREADY ANALYZED DEVICES..not referring to any device newly analyzed..and it is JMO that exactly as I stated in my post LE's motive is to attempt to show a pattern, that would clearly exhibit addiction/obsession..that is my opinion.

grandmaj
03-19-2011, 07:41 PM
Guys, I think if you say a body piercing the world will know without these descriptions. We are in the public forum and, there are people who don't care to be educated about body piercings.

So for the weak of heart and because this is starting to sound like a porn magazine can we stick to body piercing please? If someone really wants to know about these things they can google. :eek:

Wondergirl
03-19-2011, 10:16 PM
More Child Porn was indeed found in the recent searches. :(


KTXS EXCLUSIVE: Affidavit Shows More Child Porn In Hailey Dunn Case

By George Levesque, KTXS News Director
POSTED: 12:36 pm CDT March 18, 2011
UPDATED: 5:21 pm CDT March 19, 2011

SNYDER, Texas -- According to law enforcement authorities, more pornography – including child pornography – has been found on devices used by Shawn Adkins, the only named suspect in the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Wondergirl
03-19-2011, 10:35 PM
From the KTXS Video here, it says that:

-Some of the images found on the electronic devices can be directly traced back to Shawn Adkins Email.

-The Judge has 10 days to provide a reason to KTXS why they cannot view the Warrants that have been sealed

-A 2nd Computer used by SA is now known to have child pornography on it.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

curiousc
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
From the KTXS Video here, it says that:

-Some of the images found on the electronic devices can be directly traced back to Shawn Adkins Email.

-The Judge has 10 days to provide a reason to KTXS why they cannot view the Warrants that have been sealed

-A 2nd Computer used by SA is now known to have child pornography on it.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Oh, busted!

Also note this:

Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer and has been using friends' and relatives' computers. All of the other users of those computers, according to the affidavit, deny any knowledge of child pornography on their devices.

Certainly looks to me like this just isn't an obsession because of the enormous amount of child porn but must have made money by this as well. IMO

LisaB
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
This is probably way off topic and will be deleted, but I just can't help feeling like I should share this. I'm not proposing a huge discussion about a TV program, but on 20/20 last night there was some pretty creepy stuff that seemed relevant, including an interview with John Carpenter, the creator of the Halloween movies concerning the effect violent/horror fantasies are/aren't fueled by violent/horror movies. Also a guy who liked making short films who is on trial in Canada for committing a murder ...while wearing a mask... in the style of a short film he had shot just days before.
It is on HULU and may be elsewhere online as well.

grandmaj
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Oh, busted!

Also note this:



Certainly looks to me like this just isn't an obsession because of the enormous amount of child porn but must have made money by this as well. IMO

Well with the email they certainly have enough to go to Grand Jury. But I"m not sure about the legal process for charges. It is my believe each cp could be a separate charge. So they may wait until they know what they have? Or they could add more charges later? I'm not sure peeps. We need a lawyer.

LisaB
03-19-2011, 10:59 PM
Which is correct?

Another warrant was issued, out of Howard County, but the judge in that case refused to release the search warrant affidavits to the media although FOI requests were made. That warrant is believed to have been for the "body" of Adkins, meaning it was most likely served to obtain DNA evidence.
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

"A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said."
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

curiousc
03-19-2011, 11:00 PM
Well with the email they certainly have enough to go to Grand Jury. But I"m not sure about the legal process for charges. It is my believe each cp could be a separate charge. So they may wait until they know what they have? Or they could add more charges later? I'm not sure peeps. We need a lawyer.

The biggest question everyone is asking around the internet is why he isn't arrested already for cp and if they could continue gathering evidence after.

I do understand about the grand jury and that process still has to be done but could they add more charges later is a good question.

I am willing to bet that once he is arrested he is going to start talking and will try and make that plea deal. The sooner they get his butt in jail the sooner we may find Hailey. IMO

Pink Panther
03-19-2011, 11:05 PM
I was wondering the same Pondering Mind. He obviously likes dehumanizing images. If there's homegrown porn (which I strongly suspect), maybe filming without the faces or cropping them out later to be less incriminating?

I also wonder if masks were worn in the filming of the deviant images. Shawn loves those masks and they would also serve to hide identity. Remember, Billie said that she knew about the mask only because she was aware Shawn traded them, she had seen them on-line and it "wasn't good" (on Nancy Grace 1/17/2011). Then, she admitted that LE had confiscated "a mask" from her home (BTHN 3/3/2011 interview), but also mentioned a collection (plural). Then, Shawn mentioned that he personally owned masks, but only for "display purposes", moments later contradicting himself by stating that Hailey wasn't afraid of his masks because she wore them while they sat around watching horror, um comedy, movies together (BTHN 3/4/2011 interview).

Why so many inconsistencies about the masks? I think they play into the deviant images. Also think it's possible Hailey's DNA was found inside a mask(s) and it wasn't because she willing wore it to sit around the house with Shawn... JMO... :curses:

yllek - I could never piece this one together until I just read your post. I found it so strange that he mentioned that HD would wear his masks while they watched horror movies (BTH interview). What a totally off-the-wall thing to admit to without being provoked. It really bothered me. And now, I think you're onto something. BD mentioned that they (LE) took the masks (I don't know why but I have the impression that there were 3). If they did, surely they will track HD's DNA in one or more of them. THAT's why SA is trying to make light of it all! Sure - The family would sit around wearing masks while watching movies! Now that makes a whole lotta' sense!

NOT.

Thanks yllek - for getting this issue settled for me.

JMO

Pink Panther
03-19-2011, 11:09 PM
Which is correct?

Another warrant was issued, out of Howard County, but the judge in that case refused to release the search warrant affidavits to the media although FOI requests were made. That warrant is believed to have been for the "body" of Adkins, meaning it was most likely served to obtain DNA evidence.
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

"A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said."
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126
It sounds like both could be correct. Both are descriptions of the same warrant but no one (other than LE) knows exactly what they were looking for. Could be DNA, could be physical features, could be a memory stick. We don't know. Yet.

JMO

dog.gone.cute
03-19-2011, 11:30 PM
snipped from: http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer and has been using friends' and relatives' computers. All of the other users of those computers, according to the affidavit, deny any knowledge of child pornography on their devices.

:waitasec:

Per the Affidavit, the fact that Shawn does NOT own a computer and has been using his family and friends' computers to download illegal CP, has me wondering about a few things.

WHY doesn't Shawn OWN a computer -- his OWN computer ??

When we first learned about the CP, etc., on the computer at his mother's house, it was stated that that computer belonged to his mother. Just a couple of days ago, we found out that LE is searching the computer and other electronic devices at his grandmother's house.

Does SA really think he can "pin" this illegal activity on the computers on someone else ? Does he really think he could "get away" with this ? Did he not realize ALL computer activities can be traced and never go away ?

Remember on Monday Dec 27 when SA went to work, got a soft drink, then "quit" his job ... then he was over at his mother and grandmother's houses ... And where was he on Tues Dec 28 ?

SA had to be downloading the CP to other electronic stoage devices, deleting images that he thought were gone forever, but stored in the "slack space" on a computer -- because he knew what happened to Hailey !

He failed a poly in regards to Hailey's disappearance and has been named a "poi". Did he NOT think that LE would catch up with him with this computer activity at his family's homes ?

We know that Shawn likes to hide behind his masks ... and now we know he was trying to "hide" his criminal computer activities on other's computers !

He's nailed !

I just hope they find Hailey soon !

Pink Panther
03-19-2011, 11:38 PM
snipped from: http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

Adkins, according to the affidavit, doesn't own a computer and has been using friends' and relatives' computers. All of the other users of those computers, according to the affidavit, deny any knowledge of child pornography on their devices.

:waitasec:

Per the Affidavit, the fact that Shawn does NOT own a computer and has been using his family and friends' computers to download illegal CP, has me wondering about a few things.

WHY doesn't Shawn OWN a computer -- his OWN computer ??

When we first learned about the CP, etc., on the computer at his mother's house, it was stated that that computer belonged to his mother. Just a couple of days ago, we found out that LE is searching the computer and other electronic devices at his grandmother's house.

Does SA really think he can "pin" this illegal activity on the computers on someone else ? Does he really think he could "get away" with this ? Did he not realize ALL computer activities can be traced and never go away ?

Remember on Monday Dec 27 when SA went to work, got a soft drink, then "quit" his job ... then he was over at his mother and grandmother's houses ... And where was he on Tues Dec 28 ?

SA had to be downloading the CP to other electronic stoage devices, deleting images that he thought were gone forever, but stored in the "slack space" on a computer -- because he knew what happened to Hailey !

He failed a poly in regards to Hailey's disappearance and has been named a "poi". Did he NOT think that LE would catch up with him with this computer activity at his family's homes ?

We know that Shawn likes to hide behind his masks ... and now we know he was trying to "hide" his criminal computer activities on other's computers !

He's nailed !

I just hope they find Hailey soon !
I agree with you. I don't think he's very bright. In the BTH interview, he made a point of saying that he had gone home to his mother's house to "research" unemployment benefits. I guess he clicked on a couple of related links while he was attempting to erase his porn files...

JMO

okiedokietoo
03-20-2011, 12:08 AM
ok so I just caught up here. Am I understanding this right, assuming that there are no faces seen in some of the images, is LE trying to link his body to person in the photos? I'm confused...

Jo in Calif
03-20-2011, 01:57 AM
ok so I just caught up here. Am I understanding this right, assuming that there are no faces seen in some of the images, is LE trying to link his body to person in the photos? I'm confused...

LE had a search warrant for Shawn's body, it was assumed they needed to ID something on his actual body.
It has been stated that LE were looking for something that he always had with him, they didn't find it.
Since they didn't find it we can pretty much figure out it wasn't a body part that needed to be seen.

SmoothOperator
03-20-2011, 02:30 AM
LE had a search warrant for Shawn's body, it was assumed they needed to ID something on his actual body.
It has been stated that LE were looking for something that he always had with him, they didn't find it.
Since they didn't find it we can pretty much figure out it wasn't a body part that needed to be seen.


Unless it indeed was a body piercing as has been previously discussed as a possibility..but yet when they searched him Thursday evening he did not have the piercing in..IDK..possible maybe but just came to me as I was reading thru these last posts..

**and per grams post upthread I'll just leave it as a body piercing in an area not visible when dressed in clothes..

missy1974
03-20-2011, 02:49 AM
A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

I have tried my best to read all of the posts, and I might have missed it, but does anyone think it's possible the warrant would be for his cell phone? I'm just thinking that even if they had a warrant for property (his grandma's), if the cell phone wasn't physically there, then it wouldn't be covered under the warrant, would it? It does appear that they were looking for anything and everything electronic that had any connection to him.

***I have an 18 year old daughter.... and I would describe her blackberry as being 'surgically attached' lol

dog.gone.cute
03-20-2011, 02:57 AM
snipped from: http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said.

I was reading this on BigCountry and was wondering about the "item" that Adkins commonly carries with him.

Would that be a Memory Stick ? Cell Phone ? Do we know for sure what this "item" is ?

Sheriff Toombs said that SA did not have it on him ... I wonder if SA "ditched" the item before he went to Billie's or at Billie's ??

:banghead::banghead:

LisaB
03-20-2011, 08:29 AM
A second search warrant, served Thursday evening at the home of Billie Dunn, was a warrant for Adkins' body, signed by a Howard County judge. According to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs, they were looking for an item Adkins commonly carries with him. He did not have it on him, Toombs said.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353126

I have tried my best to read all of the posts, and I might have missed it, but does anyone think it's possible the warrant would be for his cell phone? I'm just thinking that even if they had a warrant for property (his grandma's), if the cell phone wasn't physically there, then it wouldn't be covered under the warrant, would it? It does appear that they were looking for anything and everything electronic that had any connection to him.

***I have an 18 year old daughter.... and I would describe her blackberry as being 'surgically attached' lol

That fits with Billie having to call his mom to come get him. He didn't have his phone. (?)

txsvicki
03-21-2011, 03:05 AM
The flashdrive (or whatever they called it) that is always attached to his key ring would be another thing that he would always have on him. He'd always have his keys in his pocket. I do hope they found it and the four other ones.

Hatch
03-21-2011, 12:52 PM
I agree with you. I don't think he's very bright. In the BTH interview, he made a point of saying that he had gone home to his mother's house to "research" unemployment benefits. I guess he clicked on a couple of related links while he was attempting to erase his porn files...

JMO
I am not convinced he doesn't own a computer ! I think he has one and has a special place he goes to use it ! Pure speculation. But if you are a sex addict (and we are assuming he is ) you would have to have a fix often and you would not rely on getting that in someone else's home. JMO

tehcloser
03-21-2011, 01:00 PM
I am not convinced he doesn't own a computer ! I think he has one and has a special place he goes to use it ! Pure speculation. But if you are a sex addict (and we are assuming he is ) you would have to have a fix often and you would not rely on getting that in someone else's home. JMO

Unless it's a business and they are your partner.

Princess of Oz
03-21-2011, 01:20 PM
Do they have internet cafes in CCity? What about internet access at book stores, or even the library? He may not be able to go online and search them, but he could transfer stuff with the drives he supposedly has. Just a thought - pure madness from my brain only.

TGIRecovered
03-21-2011, 01:27 PM
Unless it's a business and they are your partner.

Yes, and you might also decide to use other people's computers and internet instead of your own if the "work" or hobby happens to be very illegal!

TGIRecovered
03-21-2011, 01:32 PM
Do they have internet cafes in CCity? What about internet access at book stores, or even the library? He may not be able to go online and search them, but he could transfer stuff with the drives he supposedly has. Just a thought - pure madness from my brain only.

I'm not even sure that they have a Dairy Queen! Not much there...I think the closest thing to any type of public internet place would be the library or a motel where guests have access.

TexasTNT
03-21-2011, 02:05 PM
CCity has a Dairy Queen, Pizza Hut, Subway, Sonic just off of I-20. Some other types of restaurants within the city and types of food at convenience stores.

I think the library is probably as close as it comes to "internet bars"

When we lived there, we had "dial-up" internet because that was all that was available to us then through a company out of Abilene.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 03:25 PM
"We plan to post the affidavits on www.KTXS.com later today.": http://www.facebook.com/KTXSTelevision

Link to KTXS.com: http://www.ktxs.com/index.html

burbqueen
03-22-2011, 03:52 PM
ok I have a question. I assumed the CP was just images of other people and/or children. So are these videos and images of SA and children??? Color me shocked if that is the case.

Quester
03-22-2011, 04:04 PM
"We plan to post the affidavits on www.KTXS.com later today.": http://www.facebook.com/KTXSTelevision

Link to KTXS.com: http://www.ktxs.com/index.html

BBM: Interesting posts on the FB link under CB's entry requesting the affidavits be posted.

Why would Hailey's aunt expressly ask for these NOT to be released to the public?

Linda7NJ
03-22-2011, 04:14 PM
BBM: Interesting posts on the FB link under CB's entry requesting the affidavits be posted.

Why would Hailey's aunt expressly ask for these NOT to be released to the public?


Cause she's probably the one that tipped police off to the 5 flash drives and she's scared of Shawn?

curiousc
03-22-2011, 04:44 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0322/27283525.pdf

Here are the affidavits.

Chili Fries
03-22-2011, 04:46 PM
The first part seems to be standard boilerplate electronic search warrant stuff. I didn't realize that the child porn came from the slack space, obviously it would be interesting to know when it was deleted. The picture downloaded from Shawn's e-mail address is only suspected child porn (at least at the time of the affidavit). Also, it does seem like there is a missing computer (the laptop described to the parole officer?). Who is CRR?

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 04:55 PM
http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0322/27283525.pdf

Here are the affidavits.

Dang, I was hoping for the one served on Shawn, guess the Judge wasn't kidding about not releasing that one.

TexasTNT
03-22-2011, 04:59 PM
JMO!!! I have a sneaky suspicion that investigators are going to find a picture of HD. Again, JMO!!!

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Child porn on the 2 computers, not on the memory stick found at Billie's or Shawn's phone.

curiousc
03-22-2011, 05:22 PM
Here's what I would like to know. With all these devices having cp on them, why did no one else in the home notice these? Especially a computer.

What about internet history? No one noticed?

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:24 PM
Well, well...from Shawn's email account, the forensic guy found adult porn and what appears to be CP. (faxed page 3)

curiousc
03-22-2011, 05:26 PM
Well, well...from Shawn's email account, the forensic guy found adult porn and what appears to be CP. (faxed page 3)

Exactly....BUSTED!

matou
03-22-2011, 05:26 PM
What is 'slack space?'

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:26 PM
CRR was the one who said Shawn uses the computer "all of the time," at granny's house in Dunn.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:27 PM
AND, there was another computer there (per the forensic guy) that had accessed the printer.

isa
03-22-2011, 05:31 PM
CRR is also Shawn's and Corey's aunt.

TexasTNT
03-22-2011, 05:37 PM
AND, there was another computer there (per the forensic guy) that had accessed the printer.


SA's laptop maybe? MOO.

Chili Fries
03-22-2011, 05:40 PM
What is 'slack space?'
It's the space on a computer hard drive that contains deleted files. When you delete a file it isn't really gone, it's just in the slack space (or at least a part of it still is). That's why forensic computer experts can recover data that has been deleted.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Who is CRR? And why is she on Federal Probation? She said there was an "additional laptop in the house."

I see that was answered above - so sorry! :)

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 05:41 PM
What is 'slack space?'

As per affidavit: Slack space is the area of the hard drive not designated by a filling system where deleted files can be found and retrieved.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:45 PM
Is there anyone who hasn't been in trouble by LE at some point?

octobermoon
03-22-2011, 05:48 PM
Is there anyone who hasn't been in trouble by LE at some point?

not me

octobermoon
03-22-2011, 05:57 PM
My Dad would have sent me to jail.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 05:58 PM
My Dad would have sent me to jail.

I was referring to Hailey's family in C. City. :)

octobermoon
03-22-2011, 06:02 PM
I was referring to Hailey's family in C. City. :)

sorry :)

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 06:06 PM
Here's what I would like to know. With all these devices having cp on them, why did no one else in the home notice these? Especially a computer.

What about internet history? No one noticed?

Because the only CP that has been found, so far, has been on the computers and it was found in the slack space.
Whoever was viewing it, probably when they were there alone, thought they got rid of it.

Chili Fries
03-22-2011, 06:46 PM
After seeing the affidavit statement that a picture appeared to be child porn, I was wondering about who has the burden of proof as far as the age of the person in the pornographic picture. This is a very good link from the perspective of a defense attorney:

http://www.spranolaw.com/Sex-Crimes-Overview/Child-Pornography.shtml

At trial the prosecution has to prove that the individuals in the pictures are minors. Sometimes that's obvious just from the pictures, but if if it's not it's up to the prosecution to track down the actual individual in the picture. You can imagine how hard that would be for some random internet picture.

It also talks about the burden of proof as far as who is responsible for the child porn, and how that is fertile ground for defense attorneys since the prosecution may have to prove a negative (that nobody else who used the computer, other than the accused, put it there).

The last paragraph talks about how the defense attorney can claim that it was downloaded accidentally. Obviously this probably depends on the amount of child porn found so it may or may not be something LE will have to take into account with Shawn since the child porn was found in the slack space. It would be important to know whether he deleted it after Hailey went missing or not (and when he downloaded it too).

I hope they caught him red-handed but it does seem like there are a lot of grey areas. His luck has to run out sooner or later.

WillenFan21
03-22-2011, 07:11 PM
It sounds to me like a lot of child porn was found and we know what I have suspected all along that the memory stick belonged to Shawn!! I don't think Billie did anything to her daughter however I think maybe there is some knowledge of what happened and that she's covering for Shawn. Poor Hailey. I bet Clint is just beside himself for finding this stuff out.

Kamille
03-22-2011, 07:16 PM
What I find interesting in the affadavit is that 3 adults, Shawn's grandmother, her adult son and her adult daughter all live in the house in Dunn and not one of them was home at approx 6:30 am on Monday Dec 27th according to SA. :waitasec:

For The Kids
03-22-2011, 07:22 PM
It sounds to me like a lot of child porn was found and we know what I have suspected all along that the memory stick belonged to Shawn!! I don't think Billie did anything to her daughter however I think maybe there is some knowledge of what happened and that she's covering for Shawn. Poor Hailey. I bet Clint is just beside himself for finding this stuff out.

To be honest IF Shawn did anything to Hailey and Billie knows and is sticking by him instead of going to the police..then really shes no better than Shawn at all. Hailey is her daughter..and Billie should be putting HER first and NOT the "awesome" boyfriend. Billie telling the investigators where Hailey is is the last decent thing you can ever do for your daughter..so why not do it? Forget about Shawn. Think of Hailey!

curiousc
03-22-2011, 07:23 PM
Because the only CP that has been found, so far, has been on the computers and it was found in the slack space.
Whoever was viewing it, probably when they were there alone, thought they got rid of it.

I do understand about the slack space but what if those images were deleted when Hailey went missing and were on the computer undeleted until that time? We don't know if he deleted them as he downloaded onto a memory stick or not.

WillenFan21
03-22-2011, 07:26 PM
To be honest IF Shawn did anything to Hailey and Billie knows and is sticking by him instead of going to the police..then really shes no better than Shawn at all. Hailey is her daughter..and Billie should be putting HER first and NOT the "awesome" boyfriend. Billie telling the investigators where Hailey is is the last decent thing you can ever do for your daughter..so why not do it? Forget about Shawn. Think of Hailey!

I totally agree with you FTK. I'm starting to see the light on her. After all this stuff with the child porn and the mess that took place last week I really think she knows what happened and is covering for her boyfriend.

Linda7NJ
03-22-2011, 07:26 PM
I am growing concerned about the child porn issue in general. Reading the SWA there seems to be some question as if it was a child or not. A person into child porn would have MASSIVE amounts of it. It's not "iffy" Not 1-3 photo's. Perhaps it was something like those young appearing 18 year old dressed up in a school girl outfits?

IMO The bulk of what he had on his computer would be what he was "into" and it seems to me the bulk of what he's into is legal. ( As disgusting as I think it is)

I'm not convinced, especially after reading there was no child porn at all on the memory stick from Billies house. How long has LE lead us to believe it was?:waitasec: I have a problem with that.

I think LE's goal was to get them separated by any means necessary.

For The Kids
03-22-2011, 07:42 PM
I totally agree with you FTK. I'm starting to see the light on her. After all this stuff with the child porn and the mess that took place last week I really think she knows what happened and is covering for her boyfriend.

To be h onest..personally i think shes responsible for whatever happened..its the only thing that really makes sense to me that would explain all her actions,

I also wonder if she has something on Clint and thats why he sticks up for her on fb etc.

Kamille
03-22-2011, 07:46 PM
I am growing concerned about the child porn issue in general. Reading the SWA there seems to be some question as if it was a child or not. A person into child porn would have MASSIVE amounts of it. It's not "iffy" Not 1-3 photo's. Perhaps it was something like those young appearing 18 year old dressed up in a school girl outfits?

IMO The bulk of what he had on his computer would be what he was "into" and it seems to me the bulk of what he's into is legal. ( As disgusting as I think it is)

I'm not convinced, especially after reading there was no child porn at all on the memory stick from Billies house. How long has LE lead us to believe it was?:waitasec: I have a problem with that.

I think LE's goal was to get them separated by any means necessary.

I am also thinking that of the approx 108000 porn images found on the mother's computer, not very many of those images was illegal CP. Glad they were at least able to use what they did find to obtain the search warrants for the grandmother's place.

Personally I think that SA did have his own laptop computer for his "hobby" and that it, along with any flashdrives/memory cards have long been destroyed and/or discarded.

It's just too odd that from the beginning it has been stated numerous times by BD and her "friends" that neither BD or SA had a computer or any access to the internet after finding out how much SA seemed to enjoy his computer time.

MOO

matou
03-22-2011, 07:49 PM
I am growing concerned about the child porn issue in general. Reading the SWA there seems to be some question as if it was a child or not. A person into child porn would have MASSIVE amounts of it. It's not "iffy" Not 1-3 photo's. Perhaps it was something like those young appearing 18 year old dressed up in a school girl outfits?

IMO The bulk of what he had on his computer would be what he was "into" and it seems to me the bulk of what he's into is legal. ( As disgusting as I think it is)

I'm not convinced, especially after reading there was no child porn at all on the memory stick from Billies house. How long has LE lead us to believe it was?:waitasec: I have a problem with that.

I think LE's goal was to get them separated by any means necessary.

ITA with everything you wrote. However, there must be a reason SA carries 5 flash drives around with him. I think he guards those ones specifically. JMO

Kamille
03-22-2011, 07:55 PM
ITA with everything you wrote. However, there must be a reason SA carries 5 flash drives around with him. I think he guards those ones specifically. JMO

I'm thinking that he downloaded most of the porn at his mother's while he was living there during the time they were broken up or even during the years he was living with his mother prior to his relationship with BD. That might have been the only computer he really had access to for some time. And perhaps he did get a laptop of his own at some point so he downloaded the pictures to the memory sticks and deleted them off his mother's computer. He may have then uploaded them to his own computer and kept the flashdrives for a second copy.

I think there is another laptop that belongs to SA out there somewhere.

MOO

Adrienne37
03-22-2011, 08:11 PM
Just one image of child pornography is too much.


~jmo~

Linda7NJ
03-22-2011, 08:18 PM
ITA with everything you wrote. However, there must be a reason SA carries 5 flash drives around with him. I think he guards those ones specifically. JMO

Someone told LE that he had 5 flash drives on him at all times.

Seems to me there isn't a truly honest person in the mix anywhere. They're ALL LIARS. imo

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 08:21 PM
I am growing concerned about the child porn issue in general. Reading the SWA there seems to be some question as if it was a child or not. A person into child porn would have MASSIVE amounts of it. It's not "iffy" Not 1-3 photo's. Perhaps it was something like those young appearing 18 year old dressed up in a school girl outfits?

IMO The bulk of what he had on his computer would be what he was "into" and it seems to me the bulk of what he's into is legal. ( As disgusting as I think it is)

I'm not convinced, especially after reading there was no child porn at all on the memory stick from Billies house. How long has LE lead us to believe it was?:waitasec: I have a problem with that.

I think LE's goal was to get them separated by any means necessary.

The image of a child, in question came from Shawn's email account.
It appears that the image of CP found on gma's computer is very similar to at least one image of CP found on Mom's computer.
So it sounds like there is more than one CP image, between the 2 computers, but there might be the same image on both computers that Shawn has access to.
I hope that makes sense.

Linda7NJ
03-22-2011, 08:26 PM
Just one image of child pornography is too much.


~jmo~

I agree with ya there!

I am just guessing ....someone who spends as much time looking at porn as Shawn does ( every free second of his day) could inadvertently stumble upon a pic or two of CP.

When I was following The Michael Jackson trial I was looking up the books and magazines he owned, I literally fell into a file sharing area that I suspect was child porn. I didn't click anything, I was FREAKED out and reported the link to the FBI.

I've innocently looked up something and stumbled into a horrific DEVIANT pornography. and I have parental controls set up!

Nana46
03-22-2011, 08:32 PM
Been gone all day and I sure missed you guys....I guess nothing has happened today? Anything of late? TIA

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 08:34 PM
It was also determined that an additional memory stick and a camera have at some time been connected to Gma's computer, that has already been searched.
3 other devices have at some time been connected to the computer, that can't be determined what they are, but they have ID codes for them.
No where is it mentioned that 5 additional memory sticks have been connected to Gma's computer, just 1.
But we don't know if there were memory sticks connected to Shawn's mother's computer, we need that other darn affidavit.

Jo in Calif
03-22-2011, 08:38 PM
Been gone all day and I sure missed you guys....I guess nothing has happened today? Anything of late? TIA

http://www.ktxs.com/download/2011/0322/27283525.pdf
We missed you too, this is what has happened.

Truthwillsetufree
03-22-2011, 08:46 PM
I am also thinking that of the approx 108000 porn images found on the mother's computer, not very many of those images was illegal CP. Glad they were at least able to use what they did find to obtain the search warrants for the grandmother's place.

Personally I think that SA did have his own laptop computer for his "hobby" and that it, along with any flashdrives/memory cards have long been destroyed and/or discarded.

It's just too odd that from the beginning it has been stated numerous times by BD and her "friends" that neither BD or SA had a computer or any access to the internet after finding out how much SA seemed to enjoy his computer time.

MOO

BBM-I too find this very odd. His "hobby" requires one. I suspect that when LE was searching the landfill a computer was on the "try to find list". For the life of me I don't know why Colorado City Lake has not been searched, one for Hailey and the other for a computer.

SmoothOperator
03-22-2011, 08:49 PM
I am growing concerned about the child porn issue in general. Reading the SWA there seems to be some question as if it was a child or not. A person into child porn would have MASSIVE amounts of it. It's not "iffy" Not 1-3 photo's. Perhaps it was something like those young appearing 18 year old dressed up in a school girl outfits?

IMO The bulk of what he had on his computer would be what he was "into" and it seems to me the bulk of what he's into is legal. ( As disgusting as I think it is)

I'm not convinced, especially after reading there was no child porn at all on the memory stick from Billies house. How long has LE lead us to believe it was?:waitasec: I have a problem with that.

I think LE's goal was to get them separated by any means necessary.

Linda I am right there with ya..and believe me I've wanted Shawn and Billie both strung up for what all's happened..so I would be the first in line to condemn them and blast them to he!! myself for child pornography{as I believe I have basically done in these past weeks with what we were led to believe}..

And let's talk about what we've been led to believe.. namely just as you mentioned LE made direct statements to the media{therefor to us the public}that there was in fact child pornography and beastiality on the memory stick taken from Billie's bedroom..We now read today that is FALSE..

In fact we also read today and find that actually there seems to be a question as to whether or not this child pornography is even "child" pornography..Especially when he gets specific stating that the ONE PHOTO FOUND ON GRANDMA'S COMPUTER IS SIMILAR TO ONE ON MOM"S COMPUTER IN BIG SPRING..AND IT IS NOT EVEN FOR SURE A MINOR THAT IS IN THE ONE PHOTO..AGAIN THE ONE PHOTO SEEMS TO BE THE SAME AS THE PHOTO ON MOM"S COMPUTER>>THAT EQUALS ONE PHOTO>>>ONE PHOTO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A MINOR!!!!!

Not hundreds of thousands of pics and VIDEOS WE HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE..not any VIDEOS AT ALL!

I HAVE A VERY VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AS FAR AS SHAWN ADKINS AND THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!!!!!!

IMO WE HAVE BEEN GROSSLY MISLEAD!!!!

THESE ARE NOT THE COMPUTER..ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES OWNED SEARCHED AND ANALYZED..THESE ARE NOT THOSE OF A CHILD PORNOGRAPHER NOR OF SOMEONE WHO ENJOYS CHILD PORN AS IN VIEWING IT!

It seems to me that most like we are talking 2-maybe to 5 questionable porn pix that the girl looks young...

anyone google hot teens? take a look at what comes back just from googling that?? those girls are all 18 and up but could pass for 14 some of them..

I am disgusted with this and not in the way that I expected that I would be when the affidavits were released..but in a way that IMO Shawn Adkins as far as CP is concerned has been grossly inaccurate in the press by LE..and they should be concerned IMO about a real quick..slam dunk slander lawsuit..

I'm disgusted..and yet still no sign of Hailey..Someone needs to get on the ball NOW!

YES 1 IMAGE IS WAY TOO MUCH! BUT IT CERTAINLY READS AS THOUGH FROM THAT AFFIDAVIT THAT IT IS UNCERTAIN TO EVEN BE CHILD PORN..IF THE AGE IS QUESTIONABLE..IT EASILY COULD BE ON A TEEN PORN SITE IS WHAT I AM SAYING..THEREFOR THE PERSON VIEWING THE PORN BEL;IEVES THAT ALL ON THE SITE ARE OF AGE..i JUST AM VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS..I AM RELIEVED IN A WAY BECAUSE I KNOW THIS MAN IS NOT DEALING cp..HE'S NOT ADDICTED TO IT..I just am holding all judgements until this LE is clear on what the he!! is even on the devices!

matou
03-22-2011, 08:52 PM
BBM-I too find this very odd. His "hobby" requires one. I suspect that when LE was searching the landfill a computer was on the "try to find list". For the life of me I don't know why Colorado City Lake has not been searched, one for Hailey and the other for a computer.

I wonder if he was clueless enough to pawn off a laptop he used to view any CP? I'm convinced he has files somewhere and obviously needed something to view it. What about the old xbox? Any old phones?

cluciano63
03-22-2011, 08:57 PM
If there ends up being no child porn...that would put other affadavits in doubt in this case, at least for me.

yllek
03-22-2011, 09:05 PM
Linda I am right there with ya..and believe me I've wanted Shawn and Billie both strung up for what all's happened..so I would be the first in line to condemn them and blast them to he!! myself for child pornography{as I believe I have basically done in these past weeks with what we were led to believe}..

And let's talk about what we've been led to believe.. namely just as you mentioned LE made direct statements to the media{therefor to us the public}that there was in fact child pornography and beastiality on the memory stick taken from Billie's bedroom..We now read today that is FALSE..

In fact we also read today and find that actually there seems to be a question as to whether or not this child pornography is even "child" pornography..Especially when he gets specific stating that the ONE PHOTO FOUND ON GRANDMA'S COMPUTER IS SIMILAR TO ONE ON MOM"S COMPUTER IN BIG SPRING..AND IT IS NOT EVEN FOR SURE A MINOR THAT IS IN THE ONE PHOTO..AGAIN THE ONE PHOTO SEEMS TO BE THE SAME AS THE PHOTO ON MOM"S COMPUTER>>THAT EQUALS ONE PHOTO>>>ONE PHOTO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A MINOR!!!!!

Not hundreds of thousands of pics and VIDEOS WE HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE..not any VIDEOS AT ALL!

I HAVE A VERY VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AS FAR AS SHAWN ADKINS AND THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!!!!!!

IMO WE HAVE BEEN GROSSLY MISLEAD!!!!

THESE ARE NOT THE COMPUTER..ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES OWNED SEARCHED AND ANALYZED..THESE ARE NOT THOSE OF A CHILD PORNOGRAPHER NOR OF SOMEONE WHO ENJOYS CHILD PORN AS IN VIEWING IT!

It seems to me that most like we are talking 2-maybe to 5 questionable porn pix that the girl looks young...

anyone google hot teens? take a look at what comes back just from googling that?? those girls are all 18 and up but could pass for 14 some of them..

I am disgusted with this and not in the way that I expected that I would be when the affidavits were released..but in a way that IMO Shawn Adkins as far as CP is concerned has been grossly inaccurate in the press by LE..and they should be concerned IMO about a real quick..slam dunk slander lawsuit..

I'm disgusted..and yet still no sign of Hailey..Someone needs to get on the ball NOW!

Smooth, I too was surprised by what seemed to be the lack of certainty and low volume of child pornography, based on the wording of the affidavit. It may be that we were misled just days before the 911 trafficking convention when the pornographic deviancy was revealed to the public. But, imo, there's as good a chance that LE simply revealed as little as possible to secure a search warrant (being that this is a high profile case and possibly very near the point of filing charges; keeping it close to the vest). I'm choosing to believe the latter right now, but I share your worry that it may be the former. We shall see (soon, I hope).

P.s. Also think there may be boatloads of porn with teenagers and LE is racing to prove reasonably that none of those depicted could be of legal age to consent. It's time consuming investigative work to track down individuals in an underground industry, but must be done (and discreetly) before charges are filed or reasonable doubt will be pervasive, imo. JMO...

WillenFan21
03-22-2011, 09:08 PM
I read the affidavits and didn't realize that made it sound like there were hardly no child porn found. Man this won't be good then for LE and I agree with smooth operator that a lawsuit could be in the works. Man.

yllek
03-22-2011, 09:12 PM
I read the affidavits and didn't realize that made it sound like there were hardly no porn. Man this won't be good then for LE and I agree with smooth operator that a lawsuit could be in the works. Man.


Tons and tons of deviant porn Willen; we're just not sure how much of it is illegal at this point. Whether it's because LE isn't yet sure or they just don't want it public at this time is debatable... Inquiring minds want to know!

WillenFan21
03-22-2011, 09:13 PM
If there ends up being no child porn...that would put other affadavits in doubt in this case, at least for me.

I agree and to be honest LE has dropped the ball with this case since day one of reporting her as a runaway and not issuing an amber alert. I mean MY GOD what if it ends up being that Hailey was abducted after all? The whole CP thing if there wasn't anything on there then IDK what to think about Shawn and Billie both being POI. I just don't know. This whole case is confsuing. I misunderstood what I read but SmoothOperators' post helped me understand better.

Quiche
03-22-2011, 09:14 PM
Well, I tend to believe there is enough to convene a grand jury in Howard County. I'll just let them do their work. mo

WillenFan21
03-22-2011, 09:14 PM
Tons and tons of deviant porn Willen; we're just not sure how much of it is illegal at this point. Whether it's because LE isn't yet sure or they just don't want it public at this time is debatable... Inquiring minds want to know!

OOOPS! I mean no child porn! I will go fix that.

SurfieTX
03-22-2011, 09:19 PM
To be honest, I've been suspect of the CP all along. I really hate to say that, but that's how I feel. It's my opinion that it has been used to procure search warrants.

Honestly, I wish Hailey could just be found and this circus be put to a proverbial rest.

For The Kids
03-22-2011, 09:23 PM
I agree and to be honest LE has dropped the ball with this case since day one of reporting her as a runaway and not issuing an amber alert. I mean MY GOD what if it ends up being that Hailey was abducted after all? The whole CP thing if there wasn't anything on there then IDK what to think about Shawn and Billie both being POI. I just don't know. This whole case is confsuing. I misunderstood what I read but SmoothOperators' post helped me understand better.

To be honest IF it turns out it wasnt child porn..then i think even more that Billie was the guilty one.

Adrienne37
03-22-2011, 09:24 PM
It makes no difference to me if it is one image or 109,000 images of child porn, it's disgusting and he deserves to be behind bars. I'm with Quiche on this one, I'll sit back and let the grand jury decide whether to pursue charges against him but irregardless of that, this porn/beastiality issue is only small piece of the grand puzzle that includes Hailey's disappearance and the questionable actions of her mother and her mother's "awesome" boyfriend.


~jmo~

yllek
03-22-2011, 09:34 PM
I'm kinda thinking that if LE just wanted to procure search warrants and put an end to the innocent "wonderful" mother and "awesome" boyfriend charade, they could have more easily focused on drugs. At this point, I think the illegal porn is major and valid and I'll let LE continue proving their case. They want to find Hailey, not unjustifiably crucify Shawn and Billie, imo. The deviant porn plays into the disappearance imo. Lots to ponder...

grandmaj
03-22-2011, 09:41 PM
Linda I am right there with ya..and believe me I've wanted Shawn and Billie both strung up for what all's happened..so I would be the first in line to condemn them and blast them to he!! myself for child pornography{as I believe I have basically done in these past weeks with what we were led to believe}..

And let's talk about what we've been led to believe.. namely just as you mentioned LE made direct statements to the media{therefor to us the public}that there was in fact child pornography and beastiality on the memory stick taken from Billie's bedroom..We now read today that is FALSE..

In fact we also read today and find that actually there seems to be a question as to whether or not this child pornography is even "child" pornography..Especially when he gets specific stating that the ONE PHOTO FOUND ON GRANDMA'S COMPUTER IS SIMILAR TO ONE ON MOM"S COMPUTER IN BIG SPRING..AND IT IS NOT EVEN FOR SURE A MINOR THAT IS IN THE ONE PHOTO..AGAIN THE ONE PHOTO SEEMS TO BE THE SAME AS THE PHOTO ON MOM"S COMPUTER>>THAT EQUALS ONE PHOTO>>>ONE PHOTO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A MINOR!!!!!

Not hundreds of thousands of pics and VIDEOS WE HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE..not any VIDEOS AT ALL!

I HAVE A VERY VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AS FAR AS SHAWN ADKINS AND THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!!!!!!

IMO WE HAVE BEEN GROSSLY MISLEAD!!!!

THESE ARE NOT THE COMPUTER..ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES OWNED SEARCHED AND ANALYZED..THESE ARE NOT THOSE OF A CHILD PORNOGRAPHER NOR OF SOMEONE WHO ENJOYS CHILD PORN AS IN VIEWING IT!

It seems to me that most like we are talking 2-maybe to 5 questionable porn pix that the girl looks young...

anyone google hot teens? take a look at what comes back just from googling that?? those girls are all 18 and up but could pass for 14 some of them..

I am disgusted with this and not in the way that I expected that I would be when the affidavits were released..but in a way that IMO Shawn Adkins as far as CP is concerned has been grossly inaccurate in the press by LE..and they should be concerned IMO about a real quick..slam dunk slander lawsuit..

I'm disgusted..and yet still no sign of Hailey..Someone needs to get on the ball NOW!

YES 1 IMAGE IS WAY TOO MUCH! BUT IT CERTAINLY READS AS THOUGH FROM THAT AFFIDAVIT THAT IT IS UNCERTAIN TO EVEN BE CHILD PORN..IF THE AGE IS QUESTIONABLE..IT EASILY COULD BE ON A TEEN PORN SITE IS WHAT I AM SAYING..THEREFOR THE PERSON VIEWING THE PORN BEL;IEVES THAT ALL ON THE SITE ARE OF AGE..i JUST AM VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS..I AM RELIEVED IN A WAY BECAUSE I KNOW THIS MAN IS NOT DEALING cp..HE'S NOT ADDICTED TO IT..I just am holding all judgements until this LE is clear on what the he!! is even on the devices!

I don't see where it says one CP image?

Page 3, second paragraph

"On that computer in the slack space area the FBI found images of child pornography." No number of pics given not one, not ten, not 20, not 30? Or anywhere in between. "imgages"

They were deleted peeps but can be retrieved. That is why they are looking for these other flash drives and looking at all other electronic devices. He appears to have been swapping it back and forth and attempting to delete it.

missy1974
03-22-2011, 09:44 PM
I have been sick and dealing with real life so I haven't been posting much, but I have been trying my best to keep up. I have given BD the benefit of the doubt more than once, and after last week, I figured there was just no way that I could do that anymore.
Now I see these affidavits...
Maybe I am missing something, but this does not show what I thought they would show. I was expecting to see that they found at least 'thousands' of CP images. (and yes I agree that 1 would be 1 too many photos). The affidavits make it sound like they are not sure if the images that they did find were CP or not.
As for the memory stick in BD's house. From what I see, there was no CP on it. And when BD said ( http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=349616 ) that she was told by an investigator that there wasn't any, no one believed her because LE implied that there was, more than once, in the media. ( http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/?partner=RSS ). So now it seems that BD was possible correct when she said there wasn't any on the memory stick.
It does make me question a few other things in the media or what has been said by LE in regards to this case as a whole. After her arrest last week, I really thought she had lost her mind. Now I see that some of the things I thought we 'knew' from LE may not be what it seems.
With all that said though... I think that this gave them a reason to get search warrants for Grandma's house, and it may have been a way to look for Hailey. It does not make me confident that they have anything on SA to connect him to Hailey's disappearance though, since as far as we know, no search warrant was been executed in connection with Hailey's disappearance.

SmoothOperator
03-22-2011, 09:47 PM
Smooth, I too was surprised by what seemed to be the lack of certainty and low volume of child pornography, based on the wording of the affidavit. It may be that we were misled just days before the 911 trafficking convention when the pornographic deviancy was revealed to the public. But, imo, there's as good a chance that LE simply revealed as little as possible to secure a search warrant (being that this is a high profile case and possibly very near the point of filing charges; keeping it close to the vest). I'm choosing to believe the latter right now, but I share your worry that it may be the former. We shall see (soon, I hope).

P.s. Also think there may be boatloads of porn with teenagers and LE is racing to prove reasonably that none of those depicted could be of legal age to consent. It's time consuming investigative work to track down individuals in an underground industry, but must be done (and discreetly) before charges are filed or reasonable doubt will be pervasive, imo. JMO...

Yes yllek you may indeed be correct..maybe they just are revealing the bare minimum..but wouldn't they atleast be sure that the persons in the photos were infact found for certain to be underage therefor would classify as Child porn??..It just leaves me very very unsettled..

I mean its troubling to see that someone has this much porn..but my hubby being on the railroad there are plenty of guys Shawn's age {and even older} that have loads and loads of porn.. Yea I don't agree with it because IMO porn takes you out of your relationship..but thats just my personal opinion about it which amts to a hill of beans.. but what all the guys/men on the RR have on their phones..ipods..laptops..etc is there preroggative..btwn them and their significant other..but most importantly it is their legal right..

Shawn is only 25 yrs old..and an immature 25 at that IMO.. for him to have majority teen porn as what he likes does not alarm me..I hate to bring up the poor guys at the RR{good thing I've never specified what RR hubby is trainmaster for..lol}but those guys Shawn's age many of them date 18 and 19 yr old girls..so naturally if they're "into" looking at porn they're gonna be looking at those alot like what they're attracted to in real life..Again if it were my partner yes I'd have issue w/tremendous amts of any type of porn{I don't care if the women were 40+}and thats just me personally..but in looking at it from a legal standpoint..none of this guy's are doing anything wrong..

There's one more thing I feel I should "put out there"..and its only from spending years around guys/men working for the RR and in bringing up much of the "type" porn alot of these guys "like".. There's the entire cell phone multi media message sending that is rampantly "popular" for not only teens but up thru 20-something year olds as well..Especially the guys "passing around" something their buddy or their cousin sent to them that is just so OUTRAGEOUS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING..And I am in no way speaking about anything to do with children..that there is just never ever an excuse for and as much as I have been exposed to by some of the even craziest of those guys/men that I speak of..NEVER EVER HAVE I SEEN NOR EVEN HEARD ANYONE SPEAK ABOUT..OR HAVE ANYTHING THAT COULD EVEN NEAR CONSIDERED AS POSSIBLE CHILD PORN..NEVER..Rather what I am speaking about are the OUTRAGEOUS CLIPS THAT SEND AROUND TO EACH OTHER..AND UNFORTUNATELY YES SOME HAVE INCLUDED BARN LIKE ANIMALS..YES EXTREMELY SICK..BUT THEY ARE NOT SENT AROUND TO EACH OTHER AS SEXUALLY STIMULATING IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER! IT TRULY IS IDIOT GUYS SAYING "CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CRAZY CRAP?" THEY LOOK AT IT AND DELETE IT..

I don't know of any of them saving the clips..They literally make their way around and are deleted after they're seen...

Yes disgusting..gross...inappropriate beyond belief..yes all of those things but not as sexual stimulation..more of guys/men still acting like the little kids that some of them still are..

I only say all of these things out of making a very clear point..With it now coming to light that it certainly "looks as tho" this is not any trading ir selling of child porn and I personally really have my doubts if even child porn even exists..or if its simply teens.. but with that now atleast a "possibility"..I wanted to explain how there could be deleted media labeled as beastiality that might have been found as well{as we've been lead to believe}..and if it turns out to only be 1 or 2 that falls under the beastiality catagory..well I just felt I needed to "put out" there that there could be a reason there were a couple found..that were not for nefarious or sexually deviant reasons..but rather young guys being stupid and passing around something outrageous purely for its shock value and nothing more..

I hope I explained it well enough that one can understand my meaning..I cannot be the only person here who knows that this type crap does exist and gets passed around for the reasons I explained..shock value..not illegal..nefarious..and certainly not out of sexual deviance..