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WasBlind
09-24-2004, 08:56 AM
Spector Faces Indictment

Phil Spector's lawyers fear the rock producer has been indicted by a secret grand jury for the murder of actress Lana Clarkson, meaning his case will head straight to court. The music pioneer was asked to attend a Los Angeles hearing on Monday - which his legal team fear will mean an indictment. Such a development will enable prosecutors to avoid a hearing that would require them to show enough evidence to bind Spector over for a trial. Spector's attorney Roger Rosen says, "I can't imagine any other reason to be there. Phil is very disappointed. He felt strongly that there was a very significant possibility this case would be thrown out at the prelim, so he's very disappointed that he's lost the chance." Spector was charged with murder last November for the fatal shooting of the 40-year-old blonde at his Los Angeles home in February. Prosecutors say police found blood and gunshot residue on Spector - as well as evidence he had cleaned and moved the gun after the event.

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#1

*note: The Internet Movie Database updates are posted daily, so this link will be gone tomorrow*

Jeana (DP)
09-27-2004, 03:57 PM
Here we go. Its on:

Phil Spector charged with murder
01:48 PM CDT on Monday, September 27, 2004


Associated Press



LOS ANGELES – Record producer Phil Spector was charged in an indictment unsealed Monday with murder in the shooting death of a B-movie actress at his mansion last year.

Spector, 64, leaned on the arm of his attorney as the indictment in the slaying of 40-year-old Lana Clarkson was read, but showed no emotion. He was allowed to remain free on $1 million bail.

He spoke only briefly in court, answering, "Yes, your honor," to Judge David S. Lesley's questions. Lesley set Dec. 16 as the earliest possible trial date.

Spector, creator of rock music's "Wall of Sound" recording technique in the 1960s, suggested in an interview with Esquire magazine that Clarkson shot herself.

The judge agreed to keep the trial in Los Angeles rather than move it to Pasadena, closer to Spector's home in Alhambra. Attorneys for both sides expressed concern about the crush of reporters expected to attend it, and the courtrooms in Los Angeles are bigger.

Clarkson starred in Roger Corman's cult film classic Barbarian Queen . She was working as a hostess at the House of Blues on the Sunset Strip and went home from there with Spector the night she was killed.


www.dallasnews.com

MysteryMomma
09-27-2004, 04:25 PM
Phil creeps me out. I can't imagine a person killing themselves in the way Phil is saying Lana did....kissing the gun than pulling the trigger...sounds like a bad movie.

AuntieKaren
09-28-2004, 05:15 AM
Yah, Phil is a creepy guy. Brilliant in his field, but creepy. I have driven by his mansion--very strange.

I'm not sure what to make of this. I actually think there's a chance she really did accidentally kill herself. She was extremely intoxicated and there was gunshot residue all over her. According to a report I heard yesterday on KFI, due to the gunshot wound, the gun was held at extremely close range. I'm not 100% convinced either way. Of course, Spector is adamant that he didn't kill her but didn't initial reports say that he ran out of the mansion saying he accidentally did? Sigh--another mystery that will probably never be solved...
Karen

Jeana (DP)
09-28-2004, 12:12 PM
I'm thinking they probably both had something to do with it. I would need to hear a very very good motive in order to believe he did this on purpose.

VespaElf
09-28-2004, 01:21 PM
Phil Spector has not always just been weird but is a spousal abuser and is known for pulling guns on people (just about everybody he's produced has at least one "weird" story about Phil usually involving guns).

He's also a known paranoid AND drug user...............I think ,imo,he's guilty.

Sprocket
09-28-2004, 01:26 PM
When you walk out of your home and say,

"Uh, I think I shot somebody...."

What? You can't remember? You think you shot your cat, and NOT the date lying in the house?

I think Phil's finally going down.

Cleaning your gun afterwards? Sounds like he was coherent enough, to know how to clean his gun, and clean up.

Jeana (DP)
09-28-2004, 02:59 PM
Dang, I may need to read up on this guy. Hope the Peterson prosecutor isn't available for the trial. What ever possessed this woman to go to his house if he's that creepy and has a horrible reputation in the biz?

AuntieKaren
09-28-2004, 11:54 PM
Dang, I may need to read up on this guy. Hope the Peterson prosecutor isn't available for the trial. What ever possessed this woman to go to his house if he's that creepy and has a horrible reputation in the biz?

Jeana--
That is a very good question. She was very beautiful and I really can't figure why she went with him except I do know that I heard she had been drinking quite heavily.
Karen

deputylinda
09-29-2004, 12:20 AM
she was a grade B wannabe, and he was famous and successful...of course she'd want to know him and connect with him. if there is gunshot residue on him he did it.( and he cleaned the gun?? big red flag!! it takes some real effort to break down a semi-automatic weapon, clean it and reassemble it, and you can't do it drunk) ... and if it is on her it's because she was shot at very close range. phil has been a known nut-job for years.

Jeana (DP)
09-29-2004, 10:30 AM
Linda, I think I read there was residue from the gun on both of them. Should be an interesting trial.

Newswolf
09-29-2004, 12:16 PM
I always read Cindy Adams' column to see if she mentions SP and today she had something on this case.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/cindy.htm

She had to work but she wasn't broke. She wasn't on anything. She was working under the scrutiny of senior management and Hollywood people quickly notice things like that. I can't fathom why she went with this short, grotesquely unattractive troll. He has a history of having guns and pulling guns on people. His ex-wife, Ronnie Spector, said she'd be dead if she were still married to him."

CTV's Crime Library has a ton of stories on this case. I don't enough about it yet to have an opinion.

VespaElf
01-07-2005, 10:01 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143621,00.html

Spector orignially confessed ,saying the shooting was an accident,before changing his story to saying the victim committed sucicide.


How is the defense gonna spin this one I wonder! :doh:

Casshew
01-07-2005, 10:16 AM
Wow.. I didn't hear that before :doh:

Jeana (DP)
01-07-2005, 10:25 AM
Just goes to show you - alcohol, drugs, ego, crazy people and guns don't mix well.

kato
01-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Another eccentric freakazoid!

Sprocket
01-07-2005, 12:19 PM
Phil suffers from bipolar. He's mentally ill. Often, people suffering from this illness are not able to make reasoned decisions about their health, staying AWAY from alcohol, and staying ON their meds.... My understanding is, Phil had difficulty with all these issues.

I had heard that (quite some time ago), that he came out of his residence and supposedly said, "I think I shot somebody." Or something of that nature. But the "changing" of the story later, does not look good for Phil.

Pepper
01-07-2005, 12:35 PM
After watching countless episodes of Forensic Files :rolleyes: , I would think this supposed "suicide" would be fairly east to prove or dispell. How far away from her was the gun when it was fired? They can tell this by powder burns and stippling. Was there gunshot residue on her hands? What was the angle of the bullet? I'll just bet there is a boatload of evidence to prove this wasn't suicide.

Not many women commit suicide by gunshot. We are too vain! Don't want to leave that disfigured body around for someone else to see. We prefer pills!

And finally, for pete's sake, who would kill themselves while visiting in someone elses home? I can just hear the conversation now. "Excuse me Phil, don't you have a gun somewhere in this house? Can I borrow it for a minute? I'm feeling a little depressed, and I'd like to kill myself now, in your home!"

Yeah, right! :doh:

WasBlind
01-07-2005, 07:21 PM
Interesting new link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050107/ap_en_mu/phil_spector&e=1)

Alhambra police Officer Beatrice Rodriguez testified that Spector told officers at his home: "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing? I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident."

Also has a link to picture slide show.
Prayers for justice, Lanie

Jeana (DP)
01-10-2005, 10:58 AM
He's fried. I wonder if his attorney will dare ask him to go for an insanity defense. I watched an interview with one of his son's. Its a wonder the son isn't a wackjob himself!!! Completely strange childhood. Said he lived in his bedroom 24/7 when he wasn't at school. Like not allowed in the rest of the house :waitasec: :waitasec:

Sprocket
01-10-2005, 12:01 PM
Interesting new link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050107/ap_en_mu/phil_spector&e=1)

Alhambra police Officer Beatrice Rodriguez testified that Spector told officers at his home: "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing? I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident."

Also has a link to picture slide show.
Prayers for justice, Lanie
Thanks WasBlind. I hadn't heard that one. Maybe I will have to drive to Alhambra after all to listen to opening arguments in this one.

englishleigh
01-13-2005, 10:28 AM
This is what I think on this. I remember reading a lot of stuff on this when it first happened. Lana Clarkson had all but abandoned trying to become a famous actress, and had turned to screenwriting, films and commercials. She had written or was writing a film screenplay about the music business. I think that night at the House of Blues, she was thrilled to meet Phil Spector and thought maybe he could give her some insight into the business for her screenplay, or maybe even help her sell it. She got very drunk while sitting and talking to him, and agreed to go to his house, hoping to continue the conversation. I seriously doubt she went there to sleep with him, she was very tall, very beautiful, and at the time was described by friends as being consumed with writing this screenplay and was very selective about who she dated or had anything to do with as far as men went, because she'd been burned badly before. I think when they arrived at Spector's house and went inside, he made a move on her sexually and she refused, so in his drunken, mentally ill state, he pulled out a gun and pointed it in her face, she grabbed for the gun, and it went off, killing her at point-blank range. He was known for pulling guns on people when annoyed or displeased with things, and this time he killed someone.

englishleigh
02-03-2005, 08:07 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&e=1&u=/nm/20050203/en_nm/crime_spector_dc

WasBlind
02-04-2005, 06:37 AM
Spector Sued by Clarkson's Mother

Phil Spector, currently facing trial for the murder of Lana Clarkson, has been sued for wrongful death by the late actress's mother. Donna Clarkson also accuses Spector of negligence and battery, charging in the lawsuit that the 64-year-old music producer "grabbed, hit, fought with and restrained" her daughter before shooting her to death on February 3, 2003. Donna Clarkson's attorneys, Roderick Lindblom and John Taylor, say in a statement, "The Clarkson family had hoped that there would be some resolution with regard to the criminal proceedings before moving forward with the civil action. However, Ms. Clarkson and her family understand that the fair administration of justice takes time and in light of the numerous changes Mr. Spector has made in his legal defense team over the last two years, Ms Clarkson was forced to file the action before (the statute of limitations expired) on February 3, 2005." Spector denies accusations of shooting Clarkson in the foyer of his home near Los Angeles. An autopsy report concluded that a gun was placed in the 40-year-old actress's mouth and fired. His lead attorney Bruce Cutler says, "Phil did not cause the death of this woman, he's not criminally responsible and he's not civilly responsible either. But I'm not surprised they filed a suit for money, that seems to be de rigueur nowadays."

link (http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-02-04/#3)

Sprocket
03-17-2005, 12:38 PM
And for the most part, has-beens as is freaky Spector.

Sprock:

What's your take on PS?
Well, I've heard media reports that he stumbled out of the house and the limo driver (who heard the shots and called 911) supposedly heard him say, "I think I shot somebody."

I have no idea if that is true, or not.

Accident?
Suicide?
Murder?

This will be an interesting trial to watch. I also imagine it will be much shorter than the Blake trial.

bing1
05-28-2005, 02:49 AM
Does anyone know when this trial is to begin?

ncgramma
06-17-2005, 06:37 PM
Trial Date: September 16, 2005

nellicat
07-13-2005, 02:45 PM
Will there be a forum for the Phil Spector trial? It looks pretty interesting to me. I've changed my own opinion completely around in the last few weeks, and it would be fun to see where other people stand. Anyone?

kato
07-13-2005, 02:51 PM
Will there be a forum for the Phil Spector trial? It looks pretty interesting to me. I've changed my own opinion completely around in the last few weeks, and it would be fun to see where other people stand. Anyone?

I'm interested in that case but it doesn't seem too any others are at least not yet.

What is your opinion now versus before?

lcookster
07-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Right, I am also interested in what your earlier opinion was and what changed your mind. He is definitely one strange ranger.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Before, I thought it was at least possible that she was fooling around with the gun and accidentally shot herself. I just didn't see any reason, any reason at all, why PS would have killed this woman. But now I've read that he has a habit of threatening women with his always present, always loaded gun. AND I read (via Dominick Dunne in Vanity Fair), that his DNA was present on Lana's breast. It makes me think that he pulled a gun on her, either to really threaten her or as some sort of sick foreplay, started fooling around with her, and the gun went off accidentally. I still don't think he shot her on purpose, though. What's your theory?

kato
07-13-2005, 03:02 PM
I've always thought he did it. Just because I had read books about him and how he is always brandishing guns around.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 03:10 PM
I've always thought he did it. Just because I had read books about him and how he is always brandishing guns around.

Do you think he did it on purpose or by accident? Do you think he'd have any reason to kill her, or that he was the type of guy who would kill without any reason? I just can't fathom that he would want to kill her.

kato
07-13-2005, 03:12 PM
Do you think he did it on purpose or by accident? Do you think he'd have any reason to kill her, or that he was the type of guy who would kill without any reason? I just can't fathom that he would want to kill her.

I don't think it was cold-blooded murder but I think he was playing with his guns as he usually does and it happened. But sooner or later with him something like this was bound to happen it was just a matter of when.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 03:20 PM
I don't think it was cold-blooded murder but I think he was playing with his guns as he usually does and it happened. But sooner or later with him something like this was bound to happen it was just a matter of when.

Yes, it certainly seems that way. Well, I guess we don't have to a forum after all - you and I just solved it!!! :D

kato
07-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Yes, it certainly seems that way. Well, I guess we don't have to a forum after all - you and I just solved it!!! :D


LOL Maybe so.

browneyes
07-13-2005, 03:49 PM
I'm interested in the trial of Phil Spector too. I have heard Domonique Dunn speak about him several times on Cather Crier's show. As I expected, Phil sounds like a loon. Should be a heck of a ride. :dance:

Maybe we can talk about it in the jury room~~I refuse to go to the CTV boards and discuss it. :snooty: Been there, done that. :crazy:

kato
07-13-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm interested in the trial of Phil Spector too. I have heard Domonique Dunn speak about him several times on Cather Crier's show. As I expected, Phil sounds like a loon. Should be a heck of a ride. :dance:

Maybe we can talk about it in the jury room~~I refuse to go to the CTV boards and discuss it. :snooty: Been there, done that. :crazy:

No, I wouldn't want to go over there either. It's too convoluted. He's a looney toon alright.

tybee204
07-13-2005, 04:48 PM
I am movingthis to the Trial Forum and Ya'll can follow the case there.

tybee

kato
07-14-2005, 07:39 AM
I am movingthis to the Trial Forum and Ya'll can follow the case there.

tybee

Thanks, ty.

ncgramma
07-18-2005, 10:58 PM
I'll post a few links I've collected about the case. Sure hope you decide to start a Phil Spector Trial forum.

Judge Sets Sept. 16 Trial Date for Spector
Phil Spector Sued for Wrongful Death
http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html (http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html)

Pop producer Spector arrested in killing
L.A. woman found shot in '60s icon's mansion
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/04/MN99817.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/04/MN99817.DTL)

Death at Phil Spector's mansion
http://beatles.ncf.ca/phil_spector_p1.html (http://beatles.ncf.ca/phil_spector_p1.html)

"I think I killed somebody"
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=394120 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=394120)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143621,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143621,00.html)

Search Warrant and Affidavit
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html)

Grand Jury Indicts Phil Spector On Murder Charges
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1491426/20040927/story.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1491426/20040927/story.jhtml)
http://amysrobot.com/archives/2005/01/phil_spectors_w.php (http://amysrobot.com/archives/2005/01/phil_spectors_w.php)

Spector is ordered back to court
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3682432.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3682432.stm)
http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0505/24b.html (http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0505/24b.html)

Judge's Rulings
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050524/people_nm/spector_dc_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050524/people_nm/spector_dc_1)
http://www.handelonthelaw.com/news_details.aspx?News=340&Date=1/1/2005 (http://www.handelonthelaw.com/news_details.aspx?News=340&Date=1/1/2005)

Spector's Lawyers: It Was Suicide
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/entertainment/main584770.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/entertainment/main584770.shtml)

Family, Biography and General Background Information

In the early '60s, while Berry Gordy was taking the rhythm of youth and giving it Motown's bright, sophisticated sheen, Spector was grabbing up the same elements and pitching them down a black hole of raw emotion and supersaturated orchestration. What spun out the other end was pop music all right, complete with harmonizing vocals, ardent lyrics and lush instrumentation. But it had a new form -- one that replaced the bounce of innocence with the throb of desire.
http://www.salon.com/bc/1998/11/cov_10bc.html (http://www.salon.com/bc/1998/11/cov_10bc.html)

John Lennon's brief relationship with Phil Spector began in early 1970
http://www.angelfire.com/tn/Bagism/philfeud.html (http://www.angelfire.com/tn/Bagism/philfeud.html)

Spector's sons: Dad caged us
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/58633p-54922c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/58633p-54922c.html)

'I'm probably insane. I have devils inside'
Phil Spector gave his first interview in 25 years to the Telegraph magazine. Mick Brown recalls his recent visit to the pop producer's home
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F04%2Fwspec104 .xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F04%2Fwspec104 .xml)

Phil Spector's Ghosts
The spooky world of the greatest producer in pop music.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2078299/ (http://slate.msn.com/id/2078299/)

Phil Spector Getting Married?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149391,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149391,00.html)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/en/052405philspector/im:/050523/482/la10605232142?sp=-1&lsp=6000 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/en/052405philspector/im:/050523/482/la10605232142?sp=-1&lsp=6000)

Photos
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=phil+spector&ei=UTF-8&fl=0 (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=phil+spector&ei=UTF-8&fl=0)


Legal Timeline

Feb. 3, 2004 -
Spector Hires Ex-Gotti Attorney
Abramson and Morrisey Replace Robert Shapiro

Aug. 25, 2004 -
Phil Spector hired an attorney, who New York prosecutors have called the "house counsel" for the Gambino crime family, to represent him in his up-coming murder trial. The move came after his former attorney Leslie Abramson resigned from the case. Gotti attorney Bruce Cutler now joins Roger Jay Rosen on the defense team.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/25/entertainment/main638230.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/25/entertainment/main638230.shtml)

Sept. 14, 2004 -
Legendary rock and roll music director Phil Spector requested and received a delay in his preliminary hearing on charges related to the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson at his home in February. The preliminary hearing is scheduled December 16.

Sept. 22, 2004
Phil Spector's attorney has the legendary music producer has been order to appear in court Monday, possibly signalling that he has been indicted by a California grand jury.

Sept. 27, 2004
As expected by his attorney, music producer Phil Spector was indicted by a grand jury on charges that he murdered actress Lana Clarkson on Feb. 3, 2003. In a brief court appearance in Los Angeles, Spector pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Oct. 12, 2004
Music producer Phil Spector's attorneys asked a judge to seal the transcript of the grand jury testimony that led to him being indicted for murder of actress Lana Clarkson, 40, was found shot to death at Spector's mansion on Feb. 3, 2003.

Nov. 11, 2004
Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler has ruled that transcripts of the grand jury hearings in the murder case against music producer Phil Spector can be made public in spite of claims from the defense that they are "full of lies."

January 7, 2005
Spector Changed Shooting Story
(AP) Rock music producer Phil Spector initially told police he accidentally shot actress Lana Clarkson, then later said she committed suicide, according to newly released grand jury transcripts. Spector, 64, who created rock 'n' roll's "wall of sound" recording technique, is charged with murdering Clarkson at his Alhambra mansion in 2003. He has pleaded not guilty and is free on $1 million bail. The transcripts, released this week after news organizations including The Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times won a legal battle to unseal them, include testimony from police, Spector's chauffeur and women who said they were threatened by Spector.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/07/entertainment/main665346.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/07/entertainment/main665346.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories)

February 3, 2005
Spector Sued by Clarkson's Mother
Phil Spector, currently facing trial for the murder of Lana Clarkson, has been sued for wrongful death by the late actress's mother. Donna Clarkson also accuses Spector of negligence and battery, charging in the lawsuit that the 64-year-old music producer "grabbed, hit, fought with and restrained" her daughter before shooting her to death on February 3, 2003. Donna Clarkson's attorneys, Roderick Lindblom and John Taylor, say in a statement, "The Clarkson family had hoped that there would be some resolution with regard to the criminal proceedings before moving forward with the civil action. However, Ms. Clarkson and her family understand that the fair administration of justice takes time and in light of the numerous changes Mr. Spector has made in his legal defense team over the last two years, Ms Clarkson was forced to file the action before (the statute of limitations expired) on February 3, 2005." Spector denies accusations of shooting Clarkson in the foyer of his home near Los Angeles. An autopsy report concluded that a gun was placed in the 40-year-old actress's mouth and fired. His lead attorney Bruce Cutler says, "Phil did not cause the death of this woman, he's not criminally responsible and he's not civilly responsible either. But I'm not surprised they filed a suit for money, that seems to be de rigueur nowadays."
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-02-04/#3 (http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-02-04/#3)

May 23, 2005
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler ruled that four women who say that Phil Spector pointed guns at them during dates will be allowed to testify.
Websites and Other Research

The Phil Spector Case
http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/spector.htm (http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/spector.htm)
http://www.spectormurdercase.com/ (http://www.spectormurdercase.com/)
http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html (http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html)
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/s/phil%20spector/phil_spector.htm (http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/s/phil%20spector/phil_spector.htm)

Phil Spector: Pop innovator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2722581.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2722581.stm)

"Reckless" by Carlton Smith
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312994052/qid=1113231340/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-5904471-2845543 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312994052/qid=1113231340/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-5904471-2845543)

"Wall of Pain" by Dave Thompson
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860745431/qid=1113231438/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5904471-2845543 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860745431/qid=1113231438/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5904471-2845543)

Phil Spector: Out of His Head by Richard Williams
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0711998647/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-5904471-2845543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0711998647/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-5904471-2845543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

He's a Rebel by Mark Ribowsky
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0815410441/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0815410441/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

Be My Baby: How I Survived Mascara, Miniskirts, and Madness, or My Life as a Fabulous Ronette by Ronnie Spector
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451411536/ref=pd_sim_b_3/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451411536/ref=pd_sim_b_3/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

House of Blues
http://www.hob.com/ (http://www.hob.com/)


Other Legal Problems

Decision Affirming "Ronettes" Award for Lost Royalties (.pdf)
http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/ronettes/ronettes111301dec.pdf (http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/ronettes/ronettes111301dec.pdf)

LANA CLARKSON

Official Website
http://www.livingdollproductions.com/ (http://www.livingdollproductions.com/)

Lana Clarkson
Requiem for the Barbarian Queen
http://slate.msn.com/id/2078263/ (http://slate.msn.com/id/2078263/)

Family Defends Memory of Slain Actress
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/ontv/012704_ent_clarkson.html (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/ontv/012704_ent_clarkson.html)

Lana Clarkson's Hollywood Dreams
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11242,00.html (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11242,00.html)

PrimeTime Exclusive: Family Defends Memory of Slain Actress
Mother, Sister of Lana Clarkson Rebut Phil Spector's Claims Ahead of Murder Trial
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/print?id=442185 (http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/print?id=442185)

Gozgals
07-19-2005, 02:18 AM
Tybee, Thank you for moving this.....!
:innocent: Hi how are you? And :blushing: Thank You ncgramma- You are great!

I was going to post links the other night but I got busy. I have read plenty of Beatle books over the last million years, played, Beatle- & Spector (um) tunes. I have read Spector books. You have saved me time. Also I did go to Lana's website too. You saved me the time and also posted sites I could go to and read. Again, thanks. I can also send these along to friends that are interested in the muzac aspects, (not the case)

I too am interested in following this case. My information on Phil, aside from the known fact, A music icon in his own right, (aside from the manical nature he has) is baffling. I would like to find out what really happenned at his house even though I have my own theories.

As you know, Phil Spector waved guns at, and held hostage
either them (the artists) or their tapes- every one he ever produced since the early 70s from John Lennon to the Ramones and almost a 100 other WHOLE groups or single artists in between.
When he got famous in the early to mid sixties producing tons of 60's girl groups including his wife's group and other groups in the 60s. He wasn't much of a paranoid gun waving maniac yet, but was known to be rather violent
and keep Ronnie S. locked up and abused.

But when his time was up in about '66 when the Beatles,Stones, Dylan and
other like rockers didn't need producers like him anymore, he kind of
hibernated for about 4 years until about 1970 (probably doing bad
drugs, having bouts of depression about the music business passing him by,most likely getting sicker, and more paronoid. Then in 1970 the Beatles used him for "let it be" and rock stars and groups used him in the 70s based on his legendary name and status as the guy who made all them killer records they loved and grew up on and his production style they were influenced by.So it's in the 70s and early 80s he was producing just tons of people
that he would get paranoid,trap people in his house for days, recording them
playing head games,waving guns----drugs, not letting them out
----keeping the tapes for years or forever.......that's about it.

Complied and sent to me.....

Sidenote: some of this was sent to me by a Phil Spector fan/ Producer... Some has been edited..

__________________________________________________ ____________

Spector has also been known to take drugs for mental illness yet denied he had any such as "Schizophrenia." He states, I take drugs for this disease, yet I don't have it, but I skip meds. Spector has been known to be a recluse over the last couple of years.

He did produce one of the greatest songs ever made: IMAGINE by JL

See you soon.. Look forward to it

bing1
07-20-2005, 11:16 PM
I am very interested in this trial also. Still a little skittish after the whole MJ fiasco but this trial doesn't start for a while so I should be calmed down by then. Thank you for the links, very helpful indeed. From what I have read so far, it looks to me that he has a history and this was just bound to happen sooner or later. I look forward to the trial to hear the real evidence but he definatly was involved up to his eyeballs. I also heard a rumor that he once tied up John Lennon to a chair and threatened him with a gun, but have not found any confirmation yet. Another looney star doing what he wants, when he wants, how he wants. Hopefully, if it is proven that he did do this, this time we may just get some justice!

William N
08-03-2005, 12:19 PM
Any news on the Phil Spector Trial? On Court TV's upcoming docket, they had said that jury selection would start September 16. Now they have a "Pre-Trial hearing" for October 5. Has the Spector Trial been postponed again?

Gozgals
08-04-2005, 11:58 AM
William N- It doesn't appear that there is any interest in Spectors case. I have not heard any new information except what you have posted. If interest generates, I will be glad to poke around again.

I feel that Phil does not generate any celebrity status as others mentioned here so he probably can't buy his way out of this (if he is guilty) which I feel he is of a charge.
After all, who cares about Phil Spector! He is not a lost mega star that generates the popularity like MJackson (who is known world wide). MJ can walk on charges as his fame is as such, as with OJ. Phil, is an old producer,
-- yes, he was a superstar, and still is but amongest just his peers. Many of them know what he is capable of too. To the general public, he is a nobody.

My feelings are: he will not walk, but still....I have witnessed, like all here, other celebrites who have used the justice system to their advantage.

Keep me informed.

William N
08-04-2005, 12:21 PM
Gozgals.

Thanks for the reply. I had seen on Court TV's "Upcoming Trial Docket" that they flash on the screen during breaks, a Pre-Trial hearing for October 5. Previously, they had jury selection starting on September 16. The defense seems to be following the delay, delay strategy.

You are right that there is little interest in Phil Spector. I'll post here if I see any news. I don't think Spector will walk, either. I think Court TV is going to give it major coverage when it starts.

bing1
09-11-2005, 06:03 PM
I sure hope there is some coverage of this trial. Ever since I read about how he treated his ex-wife, I have been interested in how this crazy gets away with stuff and hoping that he would be stopped before anyone got hurt. My hopes we dashed but I still have a little hope that one of these celebrities is going to pay for what they have done. I do not get court tv so I would really appreciate any and all reports about this trial. This place is my only connection. Thanks:clap:

William N
09-13-2005, 01:02 PM
As far as I know, nothing has changed since my last post on this thread. There is a pre-trial hearing on October 5. Spector and his legal team seem to be delaying the trial as long as possible.

bing1
09-21-2005, 08:27 PM
Thanks for your updates........I check in all the time hoping to hear anything I can. I appreciate your posts....:clap:




As far as I know, nothing has changed since my last post on this thread. There is a pre-trial hearing on October 5. Spector and his legal team seem to be delaying the trial as long as possible.

Cydbaby
09-22-2005, 09:15 AM
You might want to check these two places out...

It should be a fascinating trial, given Spector's, um, er, unusual self.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PhilSpectorTrial

or

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HighProfileCases

William N
09-26-2005, 04:41 PM
There apparently was a pre-trial hearing for the Spector Trial today, according to Court TV's "on the docket."

Norma
09-27-2005, 05:06 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/5024921/detail.html

Rock music producer Phil Spector made a brief court appearance in Los Angeles Monday to learn from his judge that his murder trial would probably begin in January.

if anything, there should be a trial on if he should be allowed to continue wearing this hair:

http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0927/5024980_240X180.jpg

Shortcake21
10-08-2005, 03:40 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/5024921/detail.html

Rock music producer Phil Spector made a brief court appearance in Los Angeles Monday to learn from his judge that his murder trial would probably begin in January.

:laugh: :laugh: if anything, there should be a trial on if he should be allowed to continue wearing this hair:

:laugh: http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0927/5024980_240X180.jpg

LOL ,POOK

Floh
10-28-2005, 01:37 PM
"I didn't mean to shoot her"

Music producer Phil Spector, accused of murdering an actress, has suffered a legal setback ahead of his trial.

A judge in California has ruled that potentially damning statements said to have been made by Mr Spector to police can be used against him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4384022.stm

Then why did he?

hmmmmmm

Gozgals
10-29-2005, 12:53 PM
I think Phil shot her because he could, because he is a raving lunatic who has been waving guns for years at family members, people he worked for, who worked for him, etc. One day his unstable behavior was going to catch up with him. I mean-how long can anybody, even a music genesis has been, icon, get away with this uncontrollable behavior! Face it, the stories are out there. Just because he is older, does not mean he changed. It may mean during his years as a reclusive, he became more depressed, maybe took a few pills to control his rages/depression but went off them. He never gained control over this aspect of his maniacal side.


I do not think Phil will walk, thank God!

Another current link:http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html



Phil Spector's statements after actress was shot to death ruled admissible http://www.courttv.com/graphics/13th/shim.gifhttp://www.courttv.com/graphics/photos/trials/spector/inside/lede/spector-inside-102705.jpg http://www.courttv.com/graphics/news/topnews_content/insertbox_bg_top.gifLegendary music producer Phil Spector is accused of murdering an actress in 2003 at his mansion. http://www.courttv.com/graphics/news/topnews_content/insertbox_bg_bot.gifBy Lisa Sweetingham
Court TV

LOS ANGELES Music producer Phil Spector's alleged admission to a police officer that he shot actress Lana Clarkson is fair game for prosecutors to introduce to jurors at Spector's upcoming murder trial, a Los Angeles judge ruled Thursday.

"I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident. I have an explanation for this," Spector allegedly told Alhambra police officer Beatrice Rodriguez on Feb. 3, 2003, the night Clarkson was found shot in the head at Spector's mansion.

No other officers heard the alleged statement. "It's only the bare recollection of a woman doing her job with all of this chaos and danger and violence around her," defense attorney Bruce Cutler said, trying to undermine Rodriguez's allegations.


(http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html#continue)http://www.courttv.com/graphics/misc/continue_story_arrow.gif (http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html#continue)advertisement
What Spector likely said, according to Cutler, was, "I didn't shoot her. It was an accident."

Spector, 65, claims Clarkson shot herself, and his attorney argued that the .38 special revolver that delivered the fatal bullet did not even belong to Spector, despite evidence of a dozen other weapons in his home.

Cutler fought to keep out all of Spector's comments on the night of Clarkson's death. Most of his remarks "I'm sorry there's a dead woman here," and "If you're going to arrest me, just tell me what happened" were innocuous.

Cutler, who formerly represented Mob boss John Gotti, claimed that on the night of Clarkson's death, police "crashed" through the producer's home like "storm troopers," attacked him, hog-tied him, Tasered him and "figuratively punched him around until he said something." Cutler claimed that the statements were inadmissible because the police did not read Spector his Miranda rights.

Deputy District Attorney Douglas Sortino said there was no evidence that police were engaged in any misconduct, and noted that the Taser had absolutely no effect on the producer, who refused to comply with their demands to come out of the house with his hands visible.

Judge Larry Fidler said all the statements the producer made to authorities on the night of Clarkson's murder were admissible because they were voluntarily offered and he did not need to be Mirandized because he was never interrogated.

The judge also ruled that prosecutors could present evidence of additional weapons seized from Spector's home during a search warrant, but only if they contained ammunition that matched the ammo found in the gun that killed Clarkson.

A seized 12-gauge shotgun was also allowed as evidence, because prosecutors intend to call a witness who claims Spector once assaulted her with a gun in his home and then chased her down his driveway with a pump-action shotgun. She is one of four witnesses the judge previously ruled may testify about the producer's alleged proclivity to pointing guns at women.

Prosecutors may not, however, delve into Spector's 1975 misdemeanor conviction for brandishing a weapon. The judge couched his ruling, saying that if Spector were to take the stand in his own defense, and proclaim, for instance, that he had a distaste for guns, then prosecutors might be allowed to use the conviction to impeach him.

Spector was initially charged in 1975 with felony assault with a deadly weapon for coming after a woman with a gun in his hotel room. According to prosecutors, he took a plea deal and the charge was knocked down to a misdemeanor.

Judge Fidler set a trial date of Jan. 30, but that date may be moved to April 24, if Cutler is required to begin another trial in federal court in New York, in which he is defending two former police officers who are being brought up on murder charges.

Spector had a subdued hairdo and a subdued expression on his face when he arrived in court Thursday. He wore a tan three-piece suit and knee-length jacket, a silver dragonfly brooch on his lapel, and black boots with three-inch heels.

A young, attractive brunette held Spector's arm in hers and appeared to be physically supporting the glassy-eyed, 130-pound producer as he ambled into the courtroom. Three oversized body guards kept watch from the gallery.

Spector first met Clarkson at the House of Blues in West Hollywood, where she was a hostess, and invited her back to his home in his limo. The limo driver later told police he heard a gunshot and saw his boss with a gun in his hand saying he had shot a woman "inside the castle."

"We deny in the clearest terms that he shot that lady, and it was Mr. Spector's gun," Cutler argued Thursday, pounding his fist on the dais. "We also deny in the clearest terms that Mr. Spector ever admitted that he shot that lady."

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QUOTE:



"Phil Spector's statements after actress was shot to death ruled admissible"

I'm happy that Phil's statements will be admisssible in court too. It appears Mr. Spector can change his story as often as he should change his HAIR!!

Of course, Phil seems to get delay after delay...

Good day, and William N where are you?

Gozgals.

William N
10-31-2005, 01:37 AM
I'm here, and still waiting for the Trial of Phil Spector. Earlier, the judge had ruled that women who had seen Spector brandish guns could testify to such actions. Hopefully, the trial can get underway in January.

kato
10-31-2005, 11:17 AM
I'm waiting also. He just keeps getting more and more bizarre looking. If I saw that reflection when I looked in the mirror I would scream and run like hell.

William N
11-03-2005, 03:30 PM
According to Court TV, the next pre-trial hearing in the Spector case will be on December 2.

kato
11-03-2005, 03:33 PM
Thanks for the update.

William N
12-02-2005, 01:29 PM
A pre-trial hearing for Phil Spector is supposed to be held today. Hopefully, a Trial date will be announced.

PrayersForMaura
12-04-2005, 05:52 PM
SPECTOR TRIAL DATE SET

The start date for legendary music producer PHIL SPECTOR's murder trial has finally been set for 24 April (06).

The WALL OF SOUND producer, who has been on $1 million (GBP555,500) bail, will be tried at Los Angeles Superior court.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/spector%20trial%20date%20set

kato
12-05-2005, 10:06 AM
I read or saw somewhere (can't remember) that he is engaged. Any woman who gets involved with him has a screw loose.

BillyGoatGruff
12-05-2005, 01:59 PM
Spector threatened the late Dee-Dee Ramone with a gun while they were in the studio recording END OF THE CENTURY (Spector's last album). In the last 5 years Joey, Johnny & Dee-Dee have all snuffed it, leaving Marky the last eye wittness. Wonder if he'll be taking the stand?

nanandjim
12-16-2005, 03:10 PM
I'm waiting also. He just keeps getting more and more bizarre looking. If I saw that reflection when I looked in the mirror I would scream and run like hell.
He looks like something out of a Frankenstein movie!! :eek:

englishleigh
12-16-2005, 07:39 PM
He is scary, a raving fruitcake, and looks it......and why the heck has this taken so long to come to trial?? Lana Clarkson has been dead almost 4 years!!! :waitasec:

ziggy
12-18-2005, 03:01 AM
Dear Mother of God - they should arrest the plastic surgeon who just did his face.

Mercy me.

His eyes are all bulged out and his skin is pulled tight but with eneven wrinkles. Looks like he had laser resurfacing too that makes the skin have a weird smooth texture that nature does not provide.

I'm sure he could afford a better surgeon.

William N
01-08-2006, 02:59 PM
On December 8, the lead prosecutor in the Spector case, Douglas Sortino, was appointed a Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He then stepped down from the Spector case.

Patrick Dixon, the Head of the Major Crimes Division, is still on the case. Another attorney from this division will be assigned. When the current trial date of this April 24 comes up, will it be delayed yet again?

BillyGoatGruff
01-08-2006, 06:41 PM
On December 8, the lead prosecutor in the Spector case, Douglas Sortino, was appointed a Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He then stepped down from the Spector case.

Patrick Dixon, the Head of the Major Crimes Division, is still on the case. Another attorney from this division will be assigned. When the current trial date of this April 24 comes up, will it be delayed yet again?
Very possible, given the change in representative council.

William N
01-27-2006, 10:32 AM
Spector's attorneys lost another ruling on Thursday. The judge ruled that portions of a deposition Spector gave in a civil suit against his former attorney Robert Shapiro were to be handed over to prosecutors and released to the public.

Shapiro had gotten a retainer of $1.5 million and kept it when Spector fired him. Shapiro had gotten a retainer of $1.2 million from O.J. Simpson according to Jeffrey Toobin's book on the Simpson case.

Bobbisangel
01-28-2006, 03:32 AM
Anyone know why he fired Robert S. in the first place? I'm surprised that he did that because I think Robert S. has a rep as a good attorney. Maybe he should call on "Hollywood Mark." He'd get a lot of media time if nothing else :crazy:

I plan on keeping track of this trial.....only if I don't have to look at Phil S. much. He is one scary looking guy.....ICK. I think he shot Lana whether on purpose or not he pulled the trigger. He was probably all doped out and didn't know what he was doing. No excuse though. From what I have heard about the placement of the gun, etc, there is no way this gal shot herself.

William N
01-28-2006, 09:55 AM
After firing Shapiro, Spector dismissed his next lawyer, Leslie Abramson. The reason seems to have been that Spector will not do what his attorneys tell him. Regarding the civil suit against Shapiro where he gave a deposition, my brother who is an attorney told me, "Spector must want to go to prison."

Bobbisangel
01-31-2006, 11:55 PM
After firing Shapiro, Spector dismissed his next lawyer, Leslie Abramson. The reason seems to have been that Spector will not do what his attorneys tell him. Regarding the civil suit against Shapiro where he gave a deposition, my brother who is an attorney told me, "Spector must want to go to prison."



Kind of like Robert Blake before his trial huh?! Maybe he should just represent himself.....could you imagine??!!

I heard that the Pros can use the depo during the trial. Do you have any idea what Spector said in the depo that will send him to prison?

William N
02-02-2006, 12:21 AM
He doesn't seem to have said a lot, but a prosecutor loves it when a defendant says ANYTHING before trial. Scott Peterson gave several TV interviews and note were he is now.

William N
04-26-2006, 04:02 PM
The Spector Trial is delayed again. First the defense lawyers aren't ready. Then, the defense lawyers have another trial. Next, the prosecutors have a trial in May. Now, the judge finds that he scheduled another trial on the same date in September, and moves Spector to January 2007. What will these lawyers and judges do next to put this trial off?

kato
04-27-2006, 08:18 AM
The Spector Trial is delayed again. First the defense lawyers aren't ready. Then, the defense lawyers have another trial. Next, the prosecutors have a trial in May. Now, the judge finds that he scheduled another trial on the same date in September, and moves Spector to January 2007. What will these lawyers and judges do next to put this trial off?

I was wondering the same thing when I read about the delay. Til 2007 no less. When will this fruit loop have to face the music?

bing1
05-03-2006, 05:41 PM
OMG!!!!

How does he get away with this? The family of that poor girl must be so irate........... :furious:

How long can this go on? Legally speaking I mean. How can the judge seriously look at how long it has been and then postpone for another year almost. I don't understand the justice system. It looks to an outsider that there was possibly bribes or something. I'm not saying there was, I'm just saying that from the outside looking in, something is fishy :rolleyes:

William N
12-19-2006, 10:09 PM
The Phil Spector case was featured on Nancy Grace tonight. It will repeat at 10pm and 1am ET tonight. The trial had been scheduled to begin on January 16. Journalist Art Harris said on NG that the trial has been delayed to next Spring. Is this true?

The prosecutors (Patrick Dixon and Alan Jackson) have been working on the Mickey Thompson murder trial the last several weeks. The Thompson Trial has just gone to the jury. Last Spring, the judge arbitrarily moved it back to January 2007. Has he moved it back again?

Gozgals
12-20-2006, 12:19 AM
William N, I watched the NG episode earlier too. It does not seem like Spector will ever get to court with all the delays. I hope justice can be served, it certainly isn't swift. I'm eager to know what occurred in his house.



Below is a link that has other related news about Phil.

Phil Spector News...


Lana Clarkson Murder Case
<snip>
Date Set for First Leg of Spector's Civil War. Phil Spector has another date to get ready for. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Lee Smalley Edmon set an Apr. 16, 2007, trial date in the lawsuit the notorious music producer filed in September against a former assistant for allegedly embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from him. <snip>

http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html

Happy Holidays

Gozgals

William N
12-21-2006, 04:37 PM
The April Trial Date is for the civil suit. As far as I know, the murder trial is still supposed to be next month. I haven't seen any news to the contrary on the web. The prosecutors on the Mickey Thompson case are the same men who were on the Spector case. The jury will stop deliberating until the New Year if they don't reach a verdict today on Michael Goodwin, the accused in the murder of race car driver Mickey Thompson.

Gozgals
12-22-2006, 01:23 AM
Journalist Art Harris said on NG that the trial has been delayed to next Spring. Is this true?
This must be true as I heard the same thing on Nancy G. as you did about the trial delay till Spring.
I searched the internet but could not find if/when the new date is set for.

Happy Holidays

Gozgals

William N
12-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Gozgals,

I searched the web just now and found that Court TV says that the Phil Spector Trial starts on January 16, less than 3 weeks. Go to the Court TV site map and scroll down the names on the left side until you find "Phil Spector."

Happy New Year,

William N

Gozgals
12-29-2006, 07:07 AM
William N, thank you for keeping me informed on when Phil is expected to go to trial. I hope there won't be a delay.


Below is the link on the trial. Thanks again. Maybe when the trial takes place, we can all have a discussion, those that are interested.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/index.html




Happy New Year to you too.
Gozgals

William N
12-31-2006, 12:07 AM
I just watched Kimberley Guilfoyle's "The Lineup." They said Spector would go on trial in March. A few post above, I reported that the prosecutors are waiting for a verdict in another trial. I suppose by March, they'll delay it again.

Gozgals
01-02-2007, 04:25 PM
I just watched Kimberley Guilfoyle's "The Lineup." They said Spector would go on trial in March. A few post above, I reported that the prosecutors are waiting for a verdict in another trial. I suppose by March, they'll delay it again.
IMO, Mr. Spector will see many more delays. His money seems to buy him time. This is unfair to his victim Lana and I am still at a loss as to what transpired at his home that night.
I feel in March there will be another delay WilliamN. Justice should be swift.

Gozgals

Gozgals
01-17-2007, 03:55 AM
Posted on Tue, Jan. 16, 2007
Jury selection date set in Spector trial

LINDA DEUTSCH
Associated PressLOS ANGELES - Jury selection will begin in March in the murder trial of music producer Phil Spector, who's charged with killing actress Lana Clarkson in his suburban mansion, a judge said Tuesday.

"We have to get this to trial," said Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler, who has granted numerous postponements in the case since Spector was arrested for the Feb. 3, 2003 slaying.

Fidler plans to call as many as 300 prospective jurors to his courtroom March 19 to begin the process of identifying those who could serve on a trial that might last three months.

Testimony is unlikely to start until three or four week later, he said.

Spector did not attend the hearing Tuesday, but was ordered to appear for jury selection.
The 67-year-old producer - famed for creating the "wall of sound" recording technique that revolutionized rock music - has pleaded innocent.

Clarkson, 40, was best known as the star of Roger Corman's cult film "Barbarian Queen." She was working as a hostess at the House of Blues on Sunset Strip and went home with Spector the night she was killed, police said. Authorities were called when a limousine driver heard a gun go off.
Spector is free on $1 million bail. He faces life in prison if convicted.

Spector has hired a battery of lawyers and forensic experts, including attorney Robert Blasier, a key figure in the O.J. Simpson trial.

Among his requests, Blasier asked for information surrounding the use of a Taser to subdue Spector the night he was arrested, saying its use could have influenced his statements that night. He also sought access to e-mails from Clarkson's computer, which might indicate whether she was depressed or suicidal at that time.

Spector has claimed Clarkson committed suicide. According to documents filed in the case, Spector told police that Clarkson was waving a gun around and that she ignored him when he told her to put it down.

The judge said the prosecution is obligated to turn over anything from the e-mails that might be helpful to the defense.

Spector, a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, was the producer of such classic hits as "Be My Baby," "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "You've Lost that Lovin' Feeling."

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/16475291.htm

Gozgals

William N
01-18-2007, 07:33 PM
The judge says, "We have to get this to trial." Well, It was scheduled for April 2006, so he delayed it to September. Then, he delayed it to January 2007. Now, the judge says "let's get it to trial in late March." Why not next week, Judge Fidler?

William N
02-08-2007, 11:37 AM
I just heard on Court TV, that the judge is leaning toward allowing cameras in the courtroom for the Phil Spector trial. He said that he has a problem with the public only hearing about the trial from commentators.

Gozgals
02-17-2007, 02:47 PM
Judge OKs televising of Phil Spector murder trial

The risk of media sideshows like those in the Simpson case is offset by the public benefits of broadcast, the jurist said.
By Peter Y. Hong, Times Staff Writer
February 17, 2007



A Los Angeles judge ruled Friday that the murder trial of renowned music producer Phil Spector can be televised.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler said that the risk of spawning "Dancing Itos" or other media sideshows reminiscent of the O.J. Simpson case is offset by the public benefits of live broadcasts.




http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector17feb17,1,1633852.story

Gozgals

William N
02-17-2007, 05:51 PM
Spector's lawyers were against the cameras. Spector was hoping he would be acquitted without a lot of public notice.

JBean
02-18-2007, 07:51 PM
I have a friend attending the trial and would like to link to her commentary if anyone would like to read:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/ (http://www.truecrimesolvers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3782)

scandi
02-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Thanks Bean, That was really interesting! Is she the poster that was so good at the SP trial, who was reporting to us live?

Gozgals
02-19-2007, 06:20 PM
I have a friend attending the trial and would like to link to her commentary if anyone would like to read:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/ (http://www.truecrimesolvers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3782)
:) Thank you JBean and your friend for the very interesting behind the scenes read. I look forward to reading more of the insights and commentary from the trial.

Have a great day.

Gozgals

JBean
02-20-2007, 02:05 AM
Thanks Bean, That was really interesting! Is she the poster that was so good at the SP trial, who was reporting to us live?NO scandi..that was Katiecoloady wasn't it? But this friend covered the Balke trial from beginning to end. She went everyday and reading about all the trial itself and all the people she met was really a neat perspective.
I went with her one day and everyone knew who she was from being a "regular"

JBean
02-20-2007, 02:06 AM
:) Thank you JBean and your friend for the very interesting behind the scenes read. I look forward to reading more of the insights and commentary from the trial.

Have a great day.

GozgalsOh I am glad you enjoyed it Gozgals. She loves to go to the trials and I know she will write up as much as she can!

William N
02-20-2007, 05:09 PM
There are four ways a defense attorney can defend murder:

1. My client didn't do it.
2. It wasn't murder. The victim died by accident or suicide.
3. It was legally justified, self-defense, for example.
4. It was excusable. This category is extremely open-ended.

The Spector defense it seems, is No.2. Didn't Spector say in an interview that "she kissed the gun?"

Is the prosecution charging 1st Degree Murder only? It would appear that a jury would be more likely to find 2nd Degree. Is there an option for 2nd Degree or Voluntary Manslaughter?

Wudge
03-15-2007, 02:41 PM
Over four years have passed since Lana Clarkson was shot and killed in Phil Spector's home. Spector's original attorney, Robert Shapiro, was replaced by Leslie Abramson. In turn, she was replaced by his current attorney, Bruce Cutler.

Court TV will televise the trial. Voir dire is scheduled to start Monday. Judge Fidler will preside. He favors cameras in the courtroom.

Ca-Sun
03-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Over four years have passed since Lana Clarkson was shot and killed in Phil Spector's home. Spector's original attorney, Robert Shapiro, was replaced by Leslie Abramson. In turn, she was replaced by his current attorney, Bruce Cutler.

Court TV will televise the trial. Voir dire is scheduled to start Monday. Judge Fidler will preside. He favors cameras in the courtroom.This might be an intresting trial to watch. Do you know why Robert Shapiro and Leslie Abramson were replaced?

Wudge
03-15-2007, 03:12 PM
This might be an intresting trial to watch. Do you know why Robert Shapiro and Leslie Abramson were replaced?

Spector gave Shapiro a $1,000,000 retainer. He later sued Shapiro for $500,000, claiming he did little work (I seem to recall another such claim ... chuckle). Spector then hired Leslie Abramson, but she resigned. Bruce Cutler (John Gotti's attorney) now has the defense reigns.

Given Spector's admitted history of odd behavior, a prior history of gun violence (four women are expected to take the stand), his confession to officers at the scene (Cutler claims he was taking a lot of drugs), etc., I would agree this should be interesting, to say the least, if not great theatre.

Moreover, Judge Fidler is a friend of Judge Ito (here they all come). I trust lessons have long been learned.

William N
03-15-2007, 04:20 PM
Leslie Abramson quit because Spector would not follow her instructions. He insisted on talking to the Press after Abramson told him not to.

Wudge
03-15-2007, 04:32 PM
Leslie Abramson quit because Spector would not follow her instructions. He insisted on talking to the Press after Abramson told him not to.


I'm sure Leslie didn't think it was smart of Spector to call the prosecutors, "fascists". (snicker)

Gozgals
03-16-2007, 12:11 AM
I'm sure Leslie didn't think it was smart of Spector to call the prosecutors, "fascists". (snicker)
:D :D You learn something everyday. This is a fact I was not aware of. Double snickers for that.


Thanks for the laugh. It wasn't one of Spector's smarter moves, but he hasn't been known to be very bright the last few years. :loser:

Maybe the moderator can merge this thread with the other thread we have started on the Spector trial.

Good Day
Gozgals

scandi
03-16-2007, 12:29 AM
Hi Wudge! Great to see you. Somehow I think you are in your true element in this case, as I can already see for you it is like shades of deja vu. :cool: I say that with all due respect for you Wudge.

Take an absolutely eccentric old man who has lead an interesting life, experienced almost everything he wanted to do, and who is so rich it is almost decadent, and then enter a young beauty who ends up stone cold dead in his home and voila - I agree you have the makings of a most interesting case!

It is the kind of case every law student dreams of defending, and one that will create great memories for the chosen lawyer. I think it will also cause many a great sage to reminiss {sp], and say Oh, those were the days!~ ;)

So sit back in your lovely leather wing-back chair Wudge, in the den and with a small glass of sipping Scotch. And lead us through this one, step by step! It will be a pleasure to learn from you.

Scandi

DEPUTYDAWG
03-21-2007, 09:36 PM
Oh wow! Just saw a quick TV shot of Spector in court today - he's not looking so, ummm, "healthy." That's me using a nice word, haha. Scary looking. So much for those defendants that look more clean cut and presentable for court. I'd say the years since the death in his house have not been easy on him. F-R-E-A-K is a word that comes to mind. JMO :crazy:

LinasK
03-21-2007, 10:32 PM
He went from Afro to Beatles cut! Neither is flattering.

Gozgals
03-22-2007, 03:54 AM
:eek: Phil's not looking real good these days, not that he ever has!

New picture on link below.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/20/wspector20.xml


Enjoy!

Gozgals

englishleigh
03-22-2007, 09:10 AM
That is one creeeeeeeeepy, freeeeeeeeeaky guy!! :snooty:

Niner
03-22-2007, 01:35 PM
you all are right... Freeeekkkkyyy.... LOL! :loser: you would think he would find a wig that looked good on him.... but then again... I don't believe ANY kind of wig would look good on him anyway!! LOL! :doh: Will be following this case with you all! Will there be a separate forum for this?? Anyone know??

Niner
03-24-2007, 01:59 PM
did you all start a forum and not tell me... :confused:

Niner
04-11-2007, 11:43 AM
curious - is anyone following this trial?? Or has it even started yet?? :waitasec:

ANYONE??? :confused:

kato
04-12-2007, 01:36 PM
Oh wow! Just saw a quick TV shot of Spector in court today - he's not looking so, ummm, "healthy." That's me using a nice word, haha. Scary looking. So much for those defendants that look more clean cut and presentable for court. I'd say the years since the death in his house have not been easy on him. F-R-E-A-K is a word that comes to mind. JMO :crazy:

Nothing can help that F-R-E-A-K!!!

I can't believe that a 1/2 way decent looking young woman married him. He must've paid her alot of money. Maybe he thinks it will help him. NOT I hope the jurors see right thriough that pathetic ploy.

Gozgals
04-12-2007, 04:02 PM
did you all start a forum and not tell me... :confused:


Hi Niner, there is not a forum for Spector as of yet, but we did have a another thread started for it. It must be a few pages back.

Of course we tried to tell you:innocent:

Good day

Gozgals

Niner
04-13-2007, 04:18 PM
Hey Gozgals! Thanks for the info!! I must have 'missed' that notice!! :doh: LOL! Are we going to be posting on this thread OR the other one?? Anyone know?? :confused: :)

Peter Hamilton
04-15-2007, 10:18 AM
well, he certainly looks "better" in that short blond wig than the Afro one lol---Anyway, glad the trial is almost finally under way--This creep is a real psycho--He even pulled a gun on John Lennon one time

William N
04-16-2007, 10:00 AM
If you do a Google search, you will find several new articles today. Jury questioning is supposed to start today.

William N
04-19-2007, 10:34 PM
According to web reports, a jury has been selected in the Phil Spector trial. The alternates are now to be selected. Opening statements are scheduled to begin next Wednesday.

Niner
04-20-2007, 12:46 PM
Thanks William for the updates! I'll be back.... Wednesday... :woohoo:

kato
04-20-2007, 12:57 PM
According to web reports, a jury has been selected in the Phil Spector trial. The alternates are now to be selected. Opening statements are scheduled to begin next Wednesday.

Thanks for the update.

yadler
04-20-2007, 03:55 PM
Over four years have passed since Lana Clarkson was shot and killed in Phil Spector's home. Spector's original attorney, Robert Shapiro, was replaced by Leslie Abramson. In turn, she was replaced by his current attorney, Bruce Cutler.

Court TV will televise the trial. Voir dire is scheduled to start Monday. Judge Fidler will preside. He favors cameras in the courtroom.

Anybody know what channels/stations this trial will be on? I live in Los Angeles

yadler
04-20-2007, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the update.

A pal of mine was downtown for jury selection at the Los Angeles Superior Court. Am afraid to ask him if he was chosen for the Specter trial. The Simpson II trial had the juty profile. I can't seem to find it for the new panel. Anybody seen it somewhere yet?

William N
04-20-2007, 05:45 PM
A pal of mine was downtown for jury selection at the Los Angeles Superior Court. Am afraid to ask him if he was chosen for the Specter trial. The Simpson II trial had the juty profile. I can't seem to find it for the new panel. Anybody seen it somewhere yet?

The jury has nine men and three women. The jury includes several county employees, including two engineers, as well as a man who is a network TV producer and has covered high-profile criminal cases.

Several of the prospects who were dismissed during the process had expressed strong opinions that Spector killed Clarkson or was responsible for her death because it occured at his home. One of the last prospects excused for cause was a woman who said she believed he was guilty and could not change that opinion.

The above came from AP.

yadler
04-20-2007, 07:06 PM
Thank you, William. I guess he wasn't chosen. He told me that if hie had been chosen for "the trial of the century," he would have blown Specter away. Maybe it was for the best.

William N
04-20-2007, 11:16 PM
Thank you, William. I guess he wasn't chosen. He told me that if hie had been chosen for "the trial of the century," he would have blown Specter away. Maybe it was for the best.

Yadler,

Do a google search for Phil Spector, and see an LA Times article posted two hours ago, as I write this.

yadler
04-21-2007, 08:12 AM
What could Cutler's team have been thinking when they approved this Dateline journalist? At any rate, I still don't have an answer. My pal could still have been chosen. He went to a 4 year uni. back east, now resident of LA. I have to ask him what panel he got on. If he doesn't answer me, i'll know and leave it alone.

Now, what channel (local or otherwise) will the trial be shown in LA? I'll be on site in the week of May 1.

William N
04-21-2007, 09:29 AM
Court TV is going to give the Spector Trial live coverage. The defense was trying to get as many men on the jury as possible. The prosecution wanted educated jurors who would be skeptical of Michael Baden and Henry Lee.

yadler
04-21-2007, 09:35 AM
Right. However, what with the commentary, commercials, promotions for future programming, their coverage is not exactly gavel-to-gavel. I am looking for a Simspon-style coverage that we in LA were once provded by local KTLA: real gavel-to-gavel without commentators who interrupt testimony to explain to us morons out there what is being testified about.

I have CRT's "Extra," and we can all, at least, watch the entire trial on line without the above.

scandi
04-22-2007, 05:26 PM
Hi Yadler, Good to see you and am glad you are here to share your thoughts with us as we watch this trial. And we have Wudgie-Poo too! LOL Should be interesting. Now I'll have to read up on the case. ;} Scandi

yadler
04-22-2007, 06:58 PM
Hi, Scani! Yup, you'd better catch up on Specter's life of intimidating women. He certainl has abandonement issues. Blackguard!

Niner
04-25-2007, 10:49 AM
okay... is anyone in the court room this morning?? Will this be broadcast LIVE??? anyone??? :( :confused:

kato
04-25-2007, 11:11 AM
Right. However, what with the commentary, commercials, promotions for future programming, their coverage is not exactly gavel-to-gavel. I am looking for a Simspon-style coverage that we in LA were once provded by local KTLA: real gavel-to-gavel without commentators who interrupt testimony to explain to us morons out there what is being testified about.

I have CRT's "Extra," and we can all, at least, watch the entire trial on line without the above.

Man, they blocked our video feeds at work! Guess I'll have to read this thread and catch primetime snippets.

Wonder how he got that young woman to marry him?

Niner
04-25-2007, 12:35 PM
kato - ?? do you have a url or link to that live feed???? :confused:

kato
04-25-2007, 12:38 PM
kato - ?? do you have a url or link to that live feed???? :confused:

No. I can't access video streams from work anymore. They put a block on it.

kelizabeth
04-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Opening statements today at the Phil Spector trial. The whole time the Pros. was talking he was staring and nodding his head "no". Anyone going to follow the trial?

Niner
04-25-2007, 02:25 PM
I found one telecast - it's at

http://www.nbc4.tv/videostream/10954229/detail.html

they are on a break right now...

Ca-Sun
04-25-2007, 02:26 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/spector.jpg

Here is Phil Specter in court today.

kato
04-25-2007, 02:28 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/spector.jpg

Here is Phil Specter in court today.

Thanks for the pic. How garish. On NG's CNN website it says she's supposed to be covering this case tonight. But ya never know cuz the news changes so fast these days.

MagicRose99
04-25-2007, 02:56 PM
There is already a thread for this here:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47840

Jules
04-25-2007, 03:20 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/ImSun/spector.jpg

Here is Phil Specter in court today.

Suddenly I can't stop singing "Dude Looks Like A Lady"...... :eek:

Seven
04-25-2007, 04:17 PM
Suddenly I can't stop singing "Dude Looks Like A Lady"...... :eek:

apparently, that's what lana clarkson thought when she first met him that night at house of blues, where she was working the door at a VIP room and he wanted to get in (around 2:00 a.m.). when one of her co-workers said "he's phil specter," she said something like: i'm sorry mrs. specter, youre not on the list."

biiiiiiiig wooooooops .... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_134.gif

Seven
04-25-2007, 04:24 PM
okay... is anyone in the court room this morning?? Will this be broadcast LIVE??? anyone??? :( :confused:


opening statements started around 10:30 a.m. pacific time, and since it's a california case, i believe court tv was live with it ... then when NG's ctv show came on, court was at lunch and NG replayed the prosecutionopening statement.

beth karas estimately it may be a 3-month case ... (2-4 months or so) ........ so it's gonna be a long one .... yesterday, catherine crier interviewed cyril wecht. he and michael baden and a couple others are gonna be witnesses for the defense ........

popcorn .... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_8_5.gif .... anyone?! :D

Niner
04-25-2007, 05:05 PM
Seven!! I LOVE your little popcorn guys!!

Seven
04-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Seven!! I LOVE your little popcorn guys!!

excellent .... i have a feeling it's gonna be a virtual film festival, so lay in some drinks, too.

Here's some notes I took of the first half of opening statements today ~~ also info missing due to commercial breaks on Court TV.

This is just rough, not verbatim, just notes.
Please forgive spelling errors and missing info..
D = defendant PS, Phil Spector.

Opening statement prosecution 4-25-2007
Alan Jackson, Deputy District attorney.

PS (Phil Spector) has history of violence against women w/guns. He has a history of pulling guns on a long line of women. Today, you'll hear about:
Stephanie Jennings
Dorothy Melvin
Melissa Grosner
Diane halder
The D has a pattern back to the 1980s. Strikingly similar.

Diane Ogden-halder .... a talent coordinator for the Grammy awards since 1978.
1982 met D. Immediately, he began asking her out on dates.
About six months into dating .... Hollywood house ... D had been drinking to excess. She decided she wanted to leave. D locked the door, said you cannot leave, almost joking. Could not leave for 45 minutes.
Then, in 1987 D hired her as personal assistant.
1988 casual dating relationship. Helping D w/dinner party. Drinking.
2:00 a.m. she said I'm ready to leave. D snapped. This was at the Pasadena home. He disappeared, came back, produced a pistol, was standing in the foyer. He ordered her to sit down. He pressed the barrel of the gun into her cheek, forehead, neck. She was crying. She was afraid he would kill her. He orders her to go upstairs, lie down on the bed next to him. She followed his orders. The gun was in arm's reach. They fell asleep. When they awoke, he acted as though nothing had happened.

You'll see this pattern emerging.
D had been drinking.
D had romantic interest.
D brought her back to the house.
They were alone.
When she tried to leave, he produced gun, pressed it against her face, aimed at head . . .
~~ commercial ~~

Dorothy Melvin 1989, began asking her out, maintained casual dating relationship. She had never been to his home. In 1993, July, seeing friend and family, she was invited to his home. It was a lovely evening. D drank almost an entire fifth of alcohol. Began to get unsteady on feet. She fell asleep on the couch. Woke up the next morning, looked around, did not see anyone. Walked out the back door, door the motor court. Sees D wearing shoulder holster, pointing pistol at her car. She asked, he turned around and back handed her with gun hand, asking where she was. He yelled get the F**** back in the house. She went. She begs to leave. He will not let her. Finally says you can leave but "the purse stays here." He keeps purse, throws keys at her. She takes keys, drives car to where gates are closed. D runs up with a shotgun, tells her to "get out." When she points out the gate is closed, he opens it and lets her out.
~~~~~

Stephanie Jennings 1995. Goes back to suite. 3:00 a.m. knock on door. Body guard says D wants you. Few minutes later, D knocks on door, invites her to his room. She says she wants to go home.. He comes back to her room with a gun, sits in chair in front of door and holds her at gunpoint. She calls 911. Mobile digital terminal documents will be presented. "female threatened, assault, weapon involved, celebrity involved, Phil Spector.
~~~~~commercial

??Date with Kathy Sullivan.
Adriano DeSouza the driver. Sullivan is without a car.
Dan Tana's is where they went, D asked for "navy grog," settled for a daqari, ordered a salad. Second round of drinks ordered. D said let's go to house of blues.
Sullivan didn't want to, but she thought it might be closed. It was till open. They went to the Foundation room, the VIP section. That's where D met lana Clarkson. (me: And that's the night she died.) He ordered bacardi 151 straight up, @ twice as strong alcohol as usual drinks, 150 proof alcohol.
That was somewhere on the order of 10 separate drinks throughout the night, starting at Trader Vic's with "navy grog."

Lana Clarkson was the door person at the "foundation room".
First of all, LanaC thought D was a woman. She said "you're not on the list. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She was told to treat him like one of the owners, Dan Akroyd. Treat him like gold. She immediately began to fawn over him. D began to flirt with her. He asks her to have a drink. She cannot because she is working. He says okay, maybe later.

<my question: where was Sullivan after this? i didnt get that.>

After closing, D wants LanaC to come to "the castle." She keeps saying no, she's tired and has to work the next day. He keeps insisting. She refuses to leave her car there, a black cougar, because she says it will get locked up and she wont have access to it until the next day. He tells the driver, Adriano, to go get lana's car and park it on the street, then he'll have her driven back to her car after "one drink" and a tour around "the castle." She said to Adriano, "it's okay. I'm just gonna stay for one drink. D immediately barks: Don't talk to the driver.

~~~~ lunch break ~~~

right now it's catherine crier and she is showing some more of the opening statement, plus, currently interviewing dr. henry lee.

Seven
04-25-2007, 06:08 PM
apparently, that's all theyre gonna show on CTV today, although it's 3:00 p.m. in Calif, and court is still in session ...... CTV is maddening this way ..... operates on EST.

anybody know if it's being shown live anywhere else?

Seven
04-25-2007, 06:24 PM
I found one telecast - it's at

http://www.nbc4.tv/videostream/10954229/detail.html

they are on a break right now...

i just noticed the link you posted, niner! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/im/thx.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS)

yep, this is the way to go if you can.

didnt hear the end of the pros's opening statement bec i was looking at CTV ... probably CTV will show this part tomorrow morning?

anyway, bruce cutler (defense) is now saying "they had murder on their mind--the police"! :rolleyes:
this is gonna get bloody! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_132.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS)

Ca-Sun
04-25-2007, 06:46 PM
Seven, thank you so much for the recap. You really did a good job. Your popcorn guys are great!! So far this looks like it is going to be a very interesting trial.

nanandjim
04-25-2007, 06:48 PM
...<my question: where was Sullivan after this? i didnt get that.>...
I Sullivan were smart, she found a ride and went home!

Thanks so much for the detailed post of the prosecutor's opening statement.

I can't believe that Henry Lee and Michael Baden (especially MB) are testifying for the defense. :(

Seven
04-25-2007, 09:47 PM
Seven, thank you so much for the recap. You really did a good job. Your popcorn guys are great!! So far this looks like it is going to be a very interesting trial.

glad you enjoyed i! :) .... looking back over it, i see several things i missed the first time through. (see subsequent "addendum." i do have a lot of fun with smilies. I mostly use the ones from smileycentral.com

you said a mouthful about the trial being interesting. this trial has been four years in the making -- guess PS didnt want to exercise his right to a "speedy trial." seems he'd get close to trial with one lawyer, then theyd have a parting of the ways ....Cutler is his 4th

he'd have to "start over from the beginning" w/new lawyer......http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/357v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYJNUS)

Seven
04-25-2007, 10:05 PM
I Sullivan were smart, she found a ride and went home!

she's definitely counting her blessings ... i'll be looking forward to the testimony of all PS's previous gun "playmates"....
...tho i'm sure Cutler is salivating even now.....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_5_44.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYJNUS)


Thanks so much for the detailed post of the prosecutor's opening statement.

I can't believe that Henry Lee and Michael Baden (especially MB) are testifying for the defense. :(

youre very welcome! :) i didnt get the defense opening statement, just heard a few snippets ...sounded like attacks on the police and on the prosecutor .... tomorrow, if i have time, i'm gonna try the net feed link Niner provided ... may not miss so much .... I'm probably not gonna watch the entire trial, but i do like to see what they say in opening and closing statements.

that surprised me too about lee and baden (didnt surprise me so much about wecht), but apparently they told catherine crier they (plus a fourth as well) will be working on an alternate explanation of the blood spatter ..... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_3_64.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYJNUS) !!!

Seven
04-26-2007, 12:14 AM
addendum to prosecutor opening statement:

so the driver saw the door open and spector standing there with a gun in his hand, blood on his hands, saying: i think i just shot someone.

the driver drove down the hill to call 911 (couldnt get a cell at the house?). the police arrived @ 40 minuets after Adriano heard the shot .... Spector never called 911 .... even tho there were "14" telephones in the house.

spector apparently owns a lot of guns and uses cloth diapers to clean them .... one of the cloth diapers was found in the "powder room" a half bath near the foyer. lana clarkson was found, still sitting in a chair in the foyer, with her jacket on and shoulder bag on her shoulder, as if ready to walk out the door. the ME said she had probably died instantly when the bullet passed through and lodged in her spinal column.

* the cloth in the powder room had clarkson's blood on it.
* the door knob of the door spector walked out when seen by the driver had clarkson's blood on it.
* the jacket spector had been wearing earlier in the evening was found upstairs, on the floor in a dressing room, and it had Clarkson's blood on it.
* there was blood around clarkson's mouth, but her face appeared to have been "wiped down," possible with the cloth found in the nearby powder room.

i dont know if alan jackson mentioned this, but beth karas said lana clarkson was right-handed, and when the police arrived, they found the gun beneath clarkson's left ankle, as she was slumped in the chair (looked like possibly a wing chair), with her legs stretched out .... beth questioned: if she died instantly from the bullet lodging in her spinal column, thus being rendered dead paralyzed, how did the gun get from beneath her right hand (where gravity would have dropped it) to several feet away and under her left ankle?

stay tuned . . .

kato
04-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Did anyone else here Dr. Perper commenting on this case? Seems as if we have another celebrity professional in the making.

georgiagirl
04-26-2007, 09:54 AM
I know this is off topic but this guy looks like a freak! Does he use a flat iron on his hair every morning??

http://www.courttv.com/graphics2/photos/front-people-trials/lede/trials/spector/spector-lede-042507b.jpg (http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/042505-pm_ctv.html)

kato
04-26-2007, 10:16 AM
I know this is off topic but this guy looks like a freak! Does he use a flat iron on his hair every morning??

http://www.courttv.com/graphics2/photos/front-people-trials/lede/trials/spector/spector-lede-042507b.jpg (http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/042505-pm_ctv.html)

Supposedly it's a wig.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 11:47 AM
Nothing can help that F-R-E-A-K!!!

I can't believe that a 1/2 way decent looking young woman married him. He must've paid her alot of money. Maybe he thinks it will help him. NOT I hope the jurors see right thriough that pathetic ploy.

Does anyone have the background on this so called marriage?

I know it had to have taken place after the MURDER.

It's surely arranged, to show that he's not violent, otherwise what would this sweet young thing be doing marrying him. I'm sure she's getting big bucks for this and will divorce immediately after the verdict.

And someone asked about all the attorney's he went through. I think in part, it's a bit of Rober Blake, they won't listen, but it's also a stall tactic. The more attorney's you go through the longer it takes to get to court, it's been four years for cryin out loud....

Defense loves for it to take forever.... People forget, witness can't remember, although the only witness to this MURDER is dead.

kato
04-26-2007, 11:49 AM
Does anyone have the background on this so called marriage?

I know it had to have taken place after the MURDER.

It's surely arranged, to show that he's not violent, otherwise what would this sweet young thing be doing marrying him. I'm sure she's getting big bucks for this and will divorce immediately after the verdict.

And someone asked about all the attorney's he went through. I think in part, it's a bit of Rober Blake, they won't listen, but it's also a stall tactic. The more attorney's you go through the longer it takes to get to court, it's been four years for cryin out loud....

Defense loves for it to take forever.... People forget, witness can't remember, although the only witness to this MURDER is dead.

Yes, I think it's a trial tactic also.

I forget where but I read an article about the marriage.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 11:50 AM
BTW, I read an article the other day that they've tried repeatly to get Ronnie Spector to testify in this trial... She's so terrified she says she cant' go there again. It took her years to recover.

Does anyone know how old that info is and if she's going to testify?

She evidenlty was held prison by him for five years in that house.

Pepper
04-26-2007, 12:04 PM
He went from Afro to Beatles cut! Neither is flattering.

He looks like an ugly old woman.

kato
04-26-2007, 01:20 PM
BTW, I read an article the other day that they've tried repeatly to get Ronnie Spector to testify in this trial... She's so terrified she says she cant' go there again. It took her years to recover.

Does anyone know how old that info is and if she's going to testify?

She evidenlty was held prison by him for five years in that house.

I read a book that Ronnie Spector wrote and she did live in a nightmare with him. Don't know if she'll testify.

Whoever provided the NBC4 videostream; thanks a bunch it works and I am watching here at work.

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:24 PM
you are MORE than welcome, Kato!! :woohoo: me too, watching this at work!!

What's with the Defense attorney - he keeps scratching his head.... :waitasec: LOL!

kato
04-26-2007, 01:26 PM
you are MORE than welcome, Kato!! :woohoo: me too, watching this at work!!

What's with the Defense attorney - he keeps scratching his head.... :waitasec: LOL!

What a character he is. Maybe he just had a fresh shave. LOL

Seven
04-26-2007, 01:29 PM
BTW, I read an article the other day that they've tried repeatly to get Ronnie Spector to testify in this trial... She's so terrified she says she cant' go there again. It took her years to recover.

Does anyone know how old that info is and if she's going to testify?

She evidenlty was held prison by him for five years in that house.

maybe .... was ronnie spector married to phil spector at one time? .... i couldnt find my handwritten notes, but i think i remember alan jackson mentioning someone named ronnie or rommie, but i cant for the life of me remember what he said about her! :banghead:

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:32 PM
I didn't realize that ALL defense attorneys can make an opening statement... hmmm... why is that?

kato
04-26-2007, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=Seven;1460620]maybe .... was ronnie spector married to phil spector at one time? .... i couldnt find my handwritten notes, but i think i remember alan jackson mentioning someone named ronnie or rommie, but i cant for the life of me remember what he said about her! :banghead:[/QUOTE

Yes, Ronnie was married to PS. I think her maiden name was Bennett. Anyway she was lead singer of The Ronnettes who sang "Be My Baby".]

Seven
04-26-2007, 01:33 PM
linda kenny baden?
defense opening statement number two?
is she related to michael baden?

http://www.nbc4.tv/videostream/10954229/detail.html

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:33 PM
maybe .... was ronnie spector married to phil spector at one time? .... i couldnt find my handwritten notes, but i think i remember alan jackson mentioning someone named ronnie or rommie, but i cant for the life of me remember what he said about her! :banghead:

yes - he (Phil) was married to her - made her a STAR!! Can't for the life of me remember her song, though... maybe someone else will remember! :confused:

kato
04-26-2007, 01:35 PM
linda kenny baden?
defense opening statement number two?
is she related to michael baden?

http://www.nbc4.tv/videostream/10954229/detail.html

I think that's Michaels wife?

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:35 PM
okay - thanks, Kato!! Yes, Be my baby... was her hit song!

Seven - good question - wife of Michael Baden??

kato
04-26-2007, 01:37 PM
Just looked it up and Linda is Michael's wife.

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:38 PM
listening to this lawyer... then WHY did Phil say "I think I killed someone".... ?? or was THAT refuted by the previous defense attorney?? can't recall!

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:39 PM
Just looked it up and Linda is Michael's wife.

interesting... ;)

kato
04-26-2007, 01:41 PM
listening to this lawyer... then WHY did Phil say "I think I killed someone".... ?? or was THAT refuted by the previous defense attorney?? can't recall!

I missed most of that opening.

Seven
04-26-2007, 01:42 PM
I think that's Michaels wife?

she just said "intra-oral" was a technical term! :innocent:

Niner
04-26-2007, 01:46 PM
hmm.... sounds like suicide to me...

added: by Lana that is...

kato
04-26-2007, 01:49 PM
Him not being able to carry her is probably one of the only things I believe. LOL I could probably carry more than that scrawny thing.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 02:01 PM
hmm.... sounds like suicide to me...

added: by Lana that is...

Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 02:03 PM
He looks like an ugly old woman.

Lana Clarkson thought he was a woman when she frist met him that night.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 02:04 PM
maybe .... was ronnie spector married to phil spector at one time? .... i couldnt find my handwritten notes, but i think i remember alan jackson mentioning someone named ronnie or rommie, but i cant for the life of me remember what he said about her! :banghead:

Yes, and the one son, Louis who is in court is a one of the twins that Ronnie and Phil adopted.

She said he kept her prisoner in that house for five years.

Seven
04-26-2007, 02:06 PM
listening to this lawyer... then WHY did Phil say "I think I killed someone".... ?? or was THAT refuted by the previous defense attorney?? can't recall!

i heard probably half of what Cutler said, and i didnt hear him address it directly, except yesterday i did hear him say something about the limo driver (who was the one who reported that statement) not being a native english speaker, implying he might have misheard, but i will be very interested to see how the defense tries to get over this>>>>

"According to the prosecution, Spector's chauffeur will testify that Spector said, "I think I killed someone" after the driver heard a "pow" from where he was parked just a few feet from the scene.

The driver saw Spector come outside with a gun and what appeared to be blood running through his fingers, the prosecution told the jury.

On a 911 recording, the driver says, "I think my boss killed somebody." After being asked how he knows, he responds, "He has a lady on the floor and a gun in his hands."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=3081526&page=1

i do recall the pros. saying that, when the driver saw PS standing in the doorway holding the gun and saying, "I think i just killed someone," that the door was open and the driver could see the woman (whom he had met earlier in the evening and was waiting to drive back to her car) with blood on her face ....

luckily, seeing doesnt require english language proficiency! ;)

kato
04-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Last night on NG was the 1st time I had heard about those e-mails where she writes how down she's been feeling.

Niner
04-26-2007, 02:32 PM
Last night on NG was the 1st time I had heard about those e-mails where she writes how down she's been feeling.

but then you wrote before this...

quote: Kato-
Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

maybe there is... :) guess we'll just have to wait, eh?

Seven
04-26-2007, 02:34 PM
as you might expect, the smoking gun has some stuff on this case.

"DECEMBER 10--After allegedly murdering actress Lana Clarkson, Phil Spector ran out of his mansion holding a handgun and announced, "I think I just killed someone," according to documents unsealed yesterday in Los Angeles Superior Court. The below search warrant affidavit details the record producer's bar-hopping activities on the February evening that ended with Clarkson, 40, slumped on the floor of Spector's estate with a gunshot wound to her mouth. According to his chauffeur, Spector, 63, met Clarkson at the House of Blues, where the impresario ordered an $8.50 alcoholic drink and a $5.00 bottle of water--and left a $450 tip. Ninety minutes after the pair arrived at Spector's home, the driver heard a gunshot and then saw the reclusive music power exit his home carrying a handgun. (18 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/tg1124/4267a.jpg

QUESTION: wouldnt she at least want to spend the $450 before shooting herself through her recently capped teeth in the home of stranger?


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Seven
04-26-2007, 03:00 PM
she (baden) just said PS couldnt have put the gun in LanaC's mouth because he is shorter and had some "neuroleptic" medication in his blood stream.



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Class-z
04-26-2007, 03:03 PM
but then you wrote before this...

quote: Kato-
Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

maybe there is... :) guess we'll just have to wait, eh?

I wrote nothing in this points to suicide.

I meant, the scene, but we've allf elt down from time to time, I never killed myself over it though.. We all have good days and bad days.

Woman don't kill themselves in this manner and why would she do it in someone's house that she had just met? It makes no sense. Plus, he has a history of this type of thing.

georgiagirl
04-26-2007, 04:54 PM
He looks like an ugly old woman.

I think the word is FUGLY...

Class-z
04-26-2007, 05:06 PM
she (baden) just said PS couldnt have put the gun in LanaC's mouth because he is shorter and had some "neuroleptic" medication in his blood stream.



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I have no idea what that means, but it makes no sense, I didn't think it was reported that someone else was putting all those alcoholic drinks up to his mouth for him. :)

Class-z
04-26-2007, 05:08 PM
as you might expect, the smoking gun has some stuff on this case.

"DECEMBER 10--After allegedly murdering actress Lana Clarkson, Phil Spector ran out of his mansion holding a handgun and announced, "I think I just killed someone," according to documents unsealed yesterday in Los Angeles Superior Court. The below search warrant affidavit details the record producer's bar-hopping activities on the February evening that ended with Clarkson, 40, slumped on the floor of Spector's estate with a gunshot wound to her mouth. According to his chauffeur, Spector, 63, met Clarkson at the House of Blues, where the impresario ordered an $8.50 alcoholic drink and a $5.00 bottle of water--and left a $450 tip. Ninety minutes after the pair arrived at Spector's home, the driver heard a gunshot and then saw the reclusive music power exit his home carrying a handgun. (18 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/tg1124/4267a.jpg

QUESTION: wouldnt she at least want to spend the $450 before shooting herself through her recently capped teeth in the home of stranger?


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Now, that's an excellent point, just more evidence that points to not a suicide. :)

Suicide jsut makes no sense what so ever.

Class-z
04-26-2007, 05:10 PM
Re: The Sucide, Maybe he said you're not leaving (she had her purse on her shoulder as if to be on her way out the door) until we have sex and she looked at him, this thing she thought was a woman at first and thought, oh hell, give me the gun I'll just shoot myself.

Seven
04-26-2007, 05:30 PM
I have no idea what that means, but it makes no sense, I didn't think it was reported that someone else was putting all those alcoholic drinks up to his mouth for him. :)

strangely enough, in all that scientific evidence, the defense never mentioned PS's blood alcohol level .... but yesterday one of the CTV TH's said that, after he had been arrested, and @ 12 hours after the shot had been reported, PS's blood alcohol level was 0.08.

Seven
04-26-2007, 05:38 PM
Re: The Sucide, Maybe he said you're not leaving (she had her purse on her shoulder as if to be on her way out the door) until we have sex and she looked at him, this thing she thought was a woman at first and thought, oh hell, give me the gun I'll just shoot myself.

good one, Class! :D
that's at least as good a scenario as any
I heard put forth by the Defense today!


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Seven
04-26-2007, 06:41 PM
The first Pros. witness is Dorothy Melvin, the woman who had been in a "casual dating relationship" with PS. (She and the other four alleged gun play victims had been lumped together in a group by Cutler, referring to them multiple times as "the gun incident women.") I thought she was a good witness. Even though the Defense interrupted her testimony every 1-3 minutes with objections, she maintained her focus, did not become rattled, and was very believable on direct examination.

In the part I saw, she described on 7-4-93 having fallen to sleep on PS's couch. it was a white couch and she was wearing a black sheath with a fuscia jacket. when she woke up, it was just getting light, around 5 a.m. She found PS out in the "motor court" pointing a snub-nosed revovler at her mercedes. she started yelling at him to stop. He turned and started advancing on her. after they exchanged more angry words, he back-handed her on the right side of her head, with the gun in his right hand. after he repeated that action a second time and told her to "get the F back in the house," they both went inside, where he told her to take off her clothes and go upstairs. she was crying and asking hiim why he was doing this, telling him she didnt want to go upstairs. then, he started going through her purse and accusing her of having stolen items from his house. Finally, he says you can leave but "the purse stays here." He keeps purse, throws keys at her. She takes keys, drives car to where gates are closed. D runs up with a shotgun, tells her to "get out." When she points out the gate is closed, he opens it and lets her out.

since her purse contained her passport as well as the passport of her employer, joan rivers, she called the police on her car phone. she wanted simply to get her handbag back. after the police came back from PS's house, they told her PS had told them that she had taken her handbag with her when she left and that she had a pattern of calling the police after a "lover's quarrel." She insisted on getting her handbag back from PS or she was going to file charges. So the police took her back to PS's house and she waited outside while they went in. PS was very cordial, sounding as if he were welcoming back old friends. When PS kept insisting she had taken the handbag with her, they informed him that she was going to file charges and put the handcuffs on him. After the handcuffs were on, she went into the house to look for the handbag, but before she could start looking around, one of the officers came from the dining room, holding her handbag and stating that he had found it under a table.

nanandjim
04-26-2007, 07:26 PM
she (baden) just said PS couldnt have put the gun in LanaC's mouth because he is shorter and had some "neuroleptic" medication in his blood stream.



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Maybe, she insisted on leaving. He pulled a gun and told her to sit back down. He kept approaching her with pistol pointed. Then, she acted like she was going to get up and he shot her before she could get up to leave.

Seven
04-26-2007, 07:59 PM
Maybe, she insisted on leaving. He pulled a gun and told her to sit back down. He kept approaching her with pistol pointed. Then, she acted like she was going to get up and he shot her before she could get up to leave.

that's right .... the prosecution seems to be
onto something with their pattern of behavior ....

* together socially
* he drinks heavily
* they end up alone together at his place
* she tries to leave
* he becomes enraged
* he points a gun at her to prevent her from leaving.

JBean
04-27-2007, 01:07 AM
I have a friend that was in court today. I will post her notes with her permission when I see them.

Seven
04-27-2007, 02:16 AM
I have a friend that was in court today. I will post her notes with her permission when I see them.

that sounds interesting, JB! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_10v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS)

is that courtroom as little as it looks (from the limited TV angles)?

Have you had a chance to watch any of the coverage?

I like this judge so far. He seems completely fair, and i like the fact that, when that defense attorney was cross examining Melvin and started right off acting snotty/ snippy, the judge said something on the order of, "okay ... we're not gonna have that type of exchange," and that settled him down to where he stopped acting like an obnoxious attack dog. he was still "attacking," but his questioning became a lot more productive and more pleasant to listen to.

kato
04-27-2007, 07:40 AM
but then you wrote before this...

quote: Kato-
Nothing in this points to suicide to me.

maybe there is... :) guess we'll just have to wait, eh?

That wasn't me. It was Class-Z Post #76

kato
04-27-2007, 07:43 AM
I think the word is FUGLY...

LOL I use that word alot.

kato
04-27-2007, 07:49 AM
that sounds interesting, JB! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_10v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS)

is that courtroom as little as it looks (from the limited TV angles)?

Have you had a chance to watch any of the coverage?

I like this judge so far. He seems completely fair, and i like the fact that, when that defense attorney was cross examining Melvin and started right off acting snotty/ snippy, the judge said something on the order of, "okay ... we're not gonna have that type of exchange," and that settled him down to where he stopped acting like an obnoxious attack dog. he was still "attacking," but his questioning became a lot more productive and more pleasant to listen to.

I missed that testimony. Was Cutler the one doing the cross? I have a feeling him and his NY brashness might not go over well with west coast jurors.

Seven
04-27-2007, 01:06 PM
I missed that testimony. Was Cutler the one doing the cross? I have a feeling him and his NY brashness might not go over well with west coast jurors.

youre in luck! apparently this trial is going to be four days a week, with fridays off, so the nbc live link is replaying yesterday's testimony.

anyway, no. it was the other guy (never got his name because the live feed doesnt have those nice CTV texts at the bottom of the screen). anyway, the judge admonished him a couple times before he even started cross examination, when he made objections, stating: no need to take that tone. you don't have to raise your voice. i'm right here. it took a little while but the guy eventually adjusted his demeanor. so, i'd guess he may be used to using more Cutler-like behaviour, too! ;)

Niner
04-27-2007, 01:40 PM
no court today??? :waitasec:

Niner
04-27-2007, 02:06 PM
looks like NO court today... darn...

Seven
04-27-2007, 02:21 PM
looks like NO court today... darn...

just when it was getting rolling .... i seem to remember beth karas of ctv mentioning that part of the reason the trial was being projected to be 3-4 months was because theyre only going to be in session four days a week (m-th).

sassy_texasbelle2
04-27-2007, 03:31 PM
Amazing the hours they keep there. Most courts would work them to death. LOL

Pepper
04-27-2007, 03:42 PM
just when it was getting rolling .... i seem to remember beth karas of ctv mentioning that part of the reason the trial was being projected to be 3-4 months was because theyre only going to be in session four days a week (m-th). I understand the frustration for the closed courtroom on Fridays, but after seeing it from a juror's point of view, I now understand and condone 4 day trials.

My boss was on jury duty for a 6-week trial. They held court Tues - Fri, giving everyone the day off on Monday. It is an incredible sacrifice to serve on a jury for longer than a week, especially if you are self-employed. In her case, it was a federal trial, and the judge excused NO ONE! They even provided day care for mother's with young children, so there was absolutely no excuse for not serving. I don't know how she would have kept her business together if she didn't have one day a week to catch up.

Seven
04-27-2007, 06:59 PM
I understand the frustration for the closed courtroom on Fridays, but after seeing it from a juror's point of view, I now understand and condone 4 day trials.

My boss was on jury duty for a 6-week trial. They held court Tues - Fri, giving everyone the day off on Monday. It is an incredible sacrafice to serve on a jury for longer than a week, especially if you are self-employed. In her case, it was a federal trial, and the judge excused NO ONE! They even provided day care for mother's with young children, so there was absolutely no excuse for not serving. I don't know how she would have kept her business together if she didn't have one day a week to catch up.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_1_83.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS) .... i hadnt thought of that .... and i have a feeling that if questioning goes as slowly as it did yesterday, this is gonna be a loooooooong one! :D

roulons
04-27-2007, 08:25 PM
Opening statements today at the Phil Spector trial. The whole time the Pros. was talking he was staring and nodding his head "no". Anyone going to follow the trial?

I'm going to follow every minute I can!
They are doing 4 days per week - no Fridays.
The forensics are sounding very interesting in this case.

AlwaysShocked
04-28-2007, 01:41 AM
Re: All those experts. Spector has lots of money. So he hires every famous expert, even if only to "consult". That way the prosecution can't hire them.
They might not all testify. But once hired for a report by the defense, they are forever not available to the prosecution.

Question: Were these any of these "gun incident women" prostitutes or call girls or "models-who-turn-a trick-once-in-a-while"? The only reason I ask is the story about Spector buying a drink and a bottle of water and then leaving a $450 tip. Not being a Hollywood insider, I don't know about these kind of things, but is that really a tip or is that an inducement to get a woman to come to his house to "service" him further?

tennessee
04-30-2007, 05:23 AM
No idea. But I will say this: his behavior with the guns disgusts me. I'm a long time gun owner, and this guy clearly has no business possessing guns.

I agree. He seems a wee bit nuts and should have probably been locked up years ago.

Class-z
04-30-2007, 11:21 AM
just when it was getting rolling .... i seem to remember beth karas of ctv mentioning that part of the reason the trial was being projected to be 3-4 months was because theyre only going to be in session four days a week (m-th).

Welcome to the California court system.

kato
04-30-2007, 12:06 PM
Has court started yet?

Niner
04-30-2007, 12:50 PM
they won't be back until 9:30am WEDNESDAY??? What just happened??? anyone??

Seven
04-30-2007, 01:33 PM
they won't be back until 9:30am WEDNESDAY??? What just happened??? anyone??

thats' what i came over here to find out!
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Ca-Sun
04-30-2007, 02:37 PM
they won't be back until 9:30am WEDNESDAY??? What just happened??? anyone??Bruce Cutler had to go to the doctor, so court is cancelled for the day. Tuesday's session was already scratched because of a protest march expected to cause gridlock in downtown L.A., so no testimony until Wednesday.

JBean
04-30-2007, 03:02 PM
The judge reminded the witnesses to stop talking publicly before he sent them home today. he was referncing a couple of them talking on Court TV.

Niner
05-01-2007, 11:14 AM
I was reading some of the depos and info on Phillip; here's what I found of interest!

He has/had 4 children: (and they ALL have the name "Phillip" in their names...)
Louis Phillip - Born May 12, 1966 (adopted: age 5)
Gary Phillip - Born May 12, 1966 (adopted: age 5)
Donte Phillip - Born March 23, 1969 (Adopted: age 8 months)
Phillip - born 1982 (passed away Dec 1992)

so it looks like one of the twins is NOT the one that passed away... And no girls... I thought someone mentioned he had a girl... guess not, unless Donte is a girl's name.

Also - what Spector is charged with: 2nd degree murder in which he could receive a 15-year to life sentence.

JDB
05-01-2007, 01:54 PM
The trial has been delayed again till monday the 14th. Also the DA is asking for sanactions against the Defense after Henry Lee was on Crier last week and opened his mouth about new testing had been done. and the defense failed to give the DA anything regarding the testing.
Also the judge is upset that both Lee and Dr. Baden have been on Tv talking about the case.

Carrington
05-01-2007, 04:16 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2386033.ece

Interesting article:
Another blond who wanted to be MM.

kato
05-02-2007, 07:39 AM
The trial has been delayed again till monday the 14th. Also the DA is asking for sanactions against the Defense after Henry Lee was on Crier last week and opened his mouth about new testing had been done. and the defense failed to give the DA anything regarding the testing.
Also the judge is upset that both Lee and Dr. Baden have been on Tv talking about the case.

Oh man!!!

William N
05-02-2007, 10:15 AM
The trial has been delayed again till monday the 14th. Also the DA is asking for sanactions against the Defense after Henry Lee was on Crier last week and opened his mouth about new testing had been done. and the defense failed to give the DA anything regarding the testing.
Also the judge is upset that both Lee and Dr. Baden have been on Tv talking about the case.

Baden did this in even worse fashion during the Simpson Civil Trial in 1996. That trial had a gag order which the Spector trial doesn't. Dr. Werner Spitz (now on the Spector team) was testifying during the plaintiff case. Michael Baden went on the show Geraldo Rivera had at the time and criticized Spitz's testimony. This was despite the fact that Baden was going to be a witness during the defense case. Plus, Baden was violating the gag order.

The next day, Judge Fujisaki declined to hold Baden in contempt but ruled that if he or any witness did that again, they would be barred from testifying at the trial. Simpson's attorney, Robert Baker did not even argue the point. See Daniel Petrocelli's book, "Triumph of Justice," chapter 24.

AlwaysShocked
05-02-2007, 10:47 AM
From the lengthy article linked above:

"Two months before she was killed, after a long drought in which she had appeared only in downmarket TV commercials, she had landed a part in a play called Brentwood Babes by John Barons. It was about famous dead blondes, including Sharon Tate and Nicole Brown Simpson. She had been cast as her idol, Marilyn Monroe. Many actresses and models idolise Marilyn - Anna Nicole Smith, for instance, who reportedly told friends that she wanted to be buried next to Monroe in Westwood, not realising that Hugh Hefner had already bought the plot."

"On 10 January 2003, Lana Clarkson was fired from the cast of Brentwood Blondes. "She kept coming in with more demands," John Barons told me. " 'No, Lana, I cannot get you a $7,000 gold-lam&#233; gown. And we cannot drive to the Valley to rent one.' She looked at me and said, 'Do you want to replace me? No problem.' I felt bad because she said she was helping her mother and sister and they were not doing well financially. Over Christmas she said that she had a rotten time with her dysfunctional family. I got the impression she was turning to older men for help."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2386033.ece

What does "turning to older men for help" mean?

It would certainly change the "circumstances" of the incident if Lana was there in a "professional capacity" - in that under those circumstances she could have been voluntarily involved in "sexual gun-play". But then again, if she was there "professionally" why would she have been near the door with her purse on her shoulder?

In any case, I would expect the defense will have dug up any of this type of information if it is out there. And will somehow get it into evidence during the defense portion of the trial.

Gozgals
05-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Always Shocked, what an excellent article you posted on Spector and Lana. Very interesting and a good read for all. Spector has always had a screw loose.






What does "turning to older men for help" mean?

It would certainly change the "circumstances" of the incident if Lana was there in a "professional capacity" - in that under those circumstances she could have been voluntarily involved in "sexual gun-play". But then again, if she was there "professionally" why would she have been near the door with her purse on her shoulder?

In any case, I would expect the defense will have dug up any of this type of information if it is out there. And will somehow get it into evidence during the defense portion of the trial.

IMO, I think Lana just went to Spector's house after the club closed to party with another lonely person and not to gain anything financial, nor in any so called "professional capacity." She appeared to be true to her nature as a want to be actress in spite of her setbacks in the acting world. Whether this was an accident or outright murder, Spector took advantage of her, and went psycho on her with his guns as he has on many women and men. His previous behavior alludes to this fact.

Either way, the defense will try to destroy Lana as they always try to tarnish the victims in all cases. Sadly, this is what we will see.

Thanks again
Gozgals

Seven
05-02-2007, 12:16 PM
The trial has been delayed again till monday the 14th. Also the DA is asking for sanactions against the Defense after Henry Lee was on Crier last week and opened his mouth about new testing had been done. and the defense failed to give the DA anything regarding the testing.
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I saw Lee and Wecht on catherine crier, each on separate days.
didnt see baden on the subject of PS.

anyway, i agree w/the judge .... lee and wecht and baden have become such brand names that they behave as if they live in their own little bubbles .... the people of the State of California are paying tons for this trial .... the judge is just trying to keep it fair.


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AlwaysShocked
05-02-2007, 02:34 PM
"Dr." Henry Lee is vastly over-rated IMO. His "performance" in the Michael Peterson case was pitiful - the spitting of the ketchup. This man is NOT a medical doctor, is NOT a pathologist. He is a "criminalist".

Okay. What exactly is a "criminalist"? Am I a criminalist because I like to follow criminal trials? What are the qualifications to become a "criminalist"? Is there a license or certification involved in becoming a "criminalist"?

Furthermore, this man has lived in the United States for how long? 20 years? 30 years? Why has he been unable to learn to speak the English language a little better than he has?

It sounds to me like the defense in this case is going to try to make something of the fact that the limo driver is not a native English speaker. From listening to the 911 call, it seems the limo driver was doing just fine with the English language!

But Dr. Henry Lee who has been in this country for many, many years still seems to have such a big, big problem with the English language. Amazing!

From my own personal experience: I once worked closely with a medical doctor of Korean background. He had been in the US for over 20 years, had an accent, but he was very understandable. BUT when he was in a position of having to meet with the relatives of the patient, which we had to do on a regular basis, this man would lapse into the most non-understandable English I had ever heard - but with a beatific smile on his face throughout! Literally, he would leave the room and the relatives would look quizzically at me and state "What did he just say?"

I think it is a con - a tactic used by people who have an accent to improve their "cachet" and also a tactic to avoid answering questions they just don't want to answer. They become very practiced at this con. I witnessed it first hand and I stongly suspect I was witnessing it again during "Doctor" Henry Lee's testimony during the Michael Peterson trial.

Ahhh! And that smile! That beatific smile!!! Ahhh, so! So CHARMING, and so very familiar!

JDB
05-02-2007, 02:41 PM
I saw Lee and Wecht on catherine crier, each on separate days.
didnt see baden on the subject of PS.

anyway, i agree w/the judge .... lee and wecht and baden have become such brand names that they behave as if they live in their own little bubbles .... the people of the State of California are paying tons for this trial .... the judge is just trying to keep it fair.


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It might have been Wecht. I was home sick with bronchitis so head was not all that clear.

William N
05-02-2007, 04:53 PM
I just took my copy of Hank Goldberg's book, "The Prosecution Responds," out of my bookcase. I glanced at Chapter 33 were Goldberg tells of preparing to cross-examine "Dr." Henry Lee. He found Lee to have quite a Curriculum Vitae.

During a 1989 case he testified that he had investigated four to five thousand homicides. During the William Kennedy Smith case he said he had investigated over a thousand rapes. He claims to be one of the world's leading experts in fingerprint examination, crime-scene reconstruction, and serology. On his CV he claims to be an expert in handwriting comparison and ballistics.

Lee also claims to be an expert in accident reconstruction, arson and fire investigations, and criminal profiling. Goldberg also wrote that Lee investigated the collapse of a bridge in Connecticut. He's an expert in airline crashes. On his CV he says he's an expert on home and industrial security. He is a black belt in judo, karate, and kung fu.

Goldberg writes further, "And in addition to this, as of 1991, he says he has conducted five hundred to a thousand workshops, two hundred to three hundred presentations at professional meetings. In addition to forensis workshops, he also gives numerous lectures at Rotary Clubs, high schools, social clubs, etc. He's flying all over the nation and world to do this. In one case, he testified he published two hundred papers. His CV says he wrote about twenty books."

Goldberg concluded that Lee was something of an egomaniac who loved being a celebrity. "He has sold his autograph on 'blood spatter' coffee mugs for five dollars."

In most of these high-profile cases where Lee testifies for the defense, he says very little.

AlwaysShocked
05-02-2007, 05:35 PM
I think somebody needs to take a closer look at the "books written", etc. How in the worl does "Dr" Lee have time to ever investigate an actual case when he is so busy making appearances?

Has ANYBODY ever really taken a close look at his CV, I wonder?

"During a 1989 case he testified that he had investigated four to five thousand homicides. During the William Kennedy Smith case he said he had investigated over a thousand rapes"

Where was he working when he investigated 4-5 THOUSAND homicides? Where was he working when he investigated over a thousand rapes?

That is a LOT of cases! Anybody ever checked out his CV?

Seven
05-03-2007, 01:29 PM
"Dr." Henry Lee is vastly over-rated IMO. His "performance" in the Michael Peterson case was pitiful - the spitting of the ketchup. This man is NOT a medical doctor, is NOT a pathologist. He is a "criminalist".

i never even thought about this.
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(guess he doesnt "volunteer" anymore)

In 1972 he earned his B.S. degree in Forensic Science from John Jay college of Criminal Justice in New York. He went on to study science and biochemistry at New York University and earned his M.S. degree in 1974 and a Ph D. in biochemistry in 1975. In 1975 he volunteered his service to assist the Connecticut State Police to develop forensic laboratory services and introduce the Major Crime Squad concept for criminal investigation.

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/bio/bioLEE.htm

sherri79
05-03-2007, 02:33 PM
B.S. degree no comment

Seven
05-03-2007, 03:14 PM
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Niner
05-03-2007, 05:59 PM
I wanted also to to put this here, as I had not seen this before... it's a statement from officer Derek Gilliam:
But Gilliam, I now see, remembered the conversation incorrectly. A little further in the grand jury proceeding, Gilliam was asked to read from his contemporaneous report, which had Spector saying not "Nobody takes a gun from me," but rather, "You don't pull a gun out on me." The latter implied that the gun belonged not to Spector but to Clarkson. Gilliam acknowledged to the grand jury that he'd remembered the conversation imprecisely. Contradiction resolved.

interesting, if you ask me... Since Lana was "security" at House of Blues, do you REALLY think she was carrying a gun??? :crazy:

just something to think about!! LOL!

yadler
05-04-2007, 02:17 AM
If any of us think that prosecutors don't grieve about itheir lost cases, let me relate what I overheard at the Spector trial yesterday, May 2, 2007:
I adore Dominick Dunne and the horse he rode in on. After what he and his wife experienced after the brutal murder of his daughter, I use his rage against injustice as my touchstone.
Yesterday, in court for the Spector hearing, I saw and heard that he has feet of clay.
There are 6 rows of benches. The first row is taken up with "lawyers only. " The next four rows, for accredited media. The last and sixth row, members of the public. Since her morning's prosecutorial work (the LA Grannie case) was over, she headed to the Spector hearing. She had a seat in the front row, D. Dunne was in the third row and I, in the back/sixth row. During the morning break, people left their seats so that most of the benches around Dunne were empty. Ms Samuels got up from the first row, went over to DD's row. I thought she was going to greet him, "Nice seeing you again, you're looking great," etc. She didn't. Standing and bent over from about one foot away from him, she had a serious, if not sad look on her face: "How could you have written that you were glad that Blake got off? Why did you write that? Please tell me so that I can learn how to read a jury better." DD didn't take his eyes off of her face and looked seriously stricken. No, his mouth did not drop open. He just didn't say a word. Shelley Samuels looked deeply hurt. And then she left.

William N
05-04-2007, 01:30 PM
If any of us think that prosecutors don't grieve about itheir lost cases, let me relate what I overheard at the Spector trial yesterday, May 2, 2007:
I adore Dominick Dunne and the horse he rode in on. After what he and his wife experienced after the brutal murder of his daughter, I use his rage against injustice as my touchstone.
Yesterday, in court for the Spector hearing, I saw and heard that he has feet of clay.
There are 6 rows of benches. The first row is taken up with "lawyers only. " The next four rows, for accredited media. The last and sixth row, members of the public. Since her morning's prosecutorial work (the LA Grannie case) was over, she headed to the Spector hearing. She had a seat in the front row, D. Dunne was in the third row and I, in the back/sixth row. During the morning break, people left their seats so that most of the benches around Dunne were empty. Ms Samuels got up from the first row, went over to DD's row. I thought she was going to greet him, "Nice seeing you again, you're looking great," etc. She didn't. Standing and bent over from about one foot away from him, she had a serious, if not sad look on her face: "How could you have written that you were glad that Blake got off? Why did you write that? Please tell me so that I can learn how to read a jury better." DD didn't take his eyes off of her face and looked seriously stricken. No, his mouth did not drop open. He just didn't say a word. Shelley Samuels looked deeply hurt. And then she left.

I remember seeing Dominick Dunne on Court TV soon after Blake was acquitted. He said something like, "I was delighted by the verdict." He was obviously happy about Blake getting off. Not his usual reaction to not guilty verdicts in trials he covers.

yadler
05-04-2007, 02:15 PM
I didn't know that! I was referring to Dunne's monthly columns in Vanity Fair magazine. He expresed his opinion there after the verdict.

William N
05-04-2007, 07:12 PM
I didn't know that! I was referring to Dunne's monthly columns in Vanity Fair magazine. He expresed his opinion there after the verdict.

Yes, a few days after the verdict, I saw Dunne on the Catherine Crier show expressing his pleasure at the Not Guilty verdict. Dunne did not say that Blake was "innocent" either. Another time, during the Blake Civil Trial, I believe, he joked that "Blake only asked four people to murder his wife." I'm not certain of his exact words, but he said something like that.

Dominick Dunne has made a career out of criticizing the fact that the rich and famous get away with crimes. Not in the Blake case. He may have changed his mind, however.

Niner
05-04-2007, 11:40 PM
snip...
What does "turning to older men for help" mean?

a $450 dollar tip from Spector?? :waitasec:

OT - by the way Seven - I've started watching the Star Trek Voyager series - and I LOVE Seven of Nine!! ;)

Niner
05-04-2007, 11:43 PM
hmm.... did one of my posts get deleted?? the one with Spector talking with Det Pendia, or something like that?? I could have SWORN I typed out all the f words and they came out *** with asteriks... didn't I post that HERE??? :waitasec: or am I dreaming... :confused: :crazy:

Niner
05-04-2007, 11:45 PM
snip...
It sounds to me like the defense in this case is going to try to make something of the fact that the limo driver is not a native English speaker. From listening to the 911 call, it seems the limo driver was doing just fine with the English language!

do you have a link to the 911 call?? or transcript?? I thought it was still sealed, as it hasn't been presented by the DA yet?? or am I wrong here??!! :D

TIA!

AlwaysShocked
05-05-2007, 03:01 AM
Court TV played the tape of the limo driver making the 911 call, so there should be a transcript of it at the Court TV site. They also played his call to a "Michelle" who is or was Spector's assistant/secretary. The limo driver actually called her FIRST, left a message, and then called 911.

The driver made the 911 call from "the bottom of the driveway at the street" and that is where he waited for the police to arrive. I don't know if he was in the limo or on foot at that point.

The police were on the grounds of Spector's estate for 45 minutes before they approached the house - because, not knowing what they were dealing with, they brought in a SWAT team.

Moderators: Will the Spector trial be getting its own thread? It is going to be a long trial, and a most interesting trial!

There is a hearing going on (without the jury) about discovery evidence - a piece of fingernail - being illegally withheld from the prosecution by the defense team. Dr. Baden already testified and the judge wants to hear from Dr. Lee also, but Lee is said to be in China for two weeks, so they will return to trial testimony on Monday and will hold further hearing about the evidence issue at sometime in the future.

gaia
05-05-2007, 01:01 PM
AlwaysShocked, I'm wondering the same thing about this case getting it's own THREAD! This trial is going to be a doozie and we need our own thread for it! Sure hope the mods see this and do something about it pronto!!

gaia

tennessee
05-05-2007, 08:53 PM
I would love for there to be a thread about this trial. Personally, I think Spector is a loon. It will be an interesting case, for sure.

Seven
05-06-2007, 11:47 PM
Moderators: Will the Spector trial be getting its own thread? It is going to be a long trial, and a most interesting trial!

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_3_31.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS) .... it's a bit hard to find where it is now .... i bet a lot more people would post there if it were in it's own thread on the "jump to" window at the bottom of the page.

wonder what it takes .... a certain number of posts?

Whiner
05-07-2007, 02:31 PM
www.foxnews.com is streaming the trial live - where is everyone? :waitasec:

Seven - yoo hoo!

Seven
05-07-2007, 09:11 PM
www.foxnews.com (http://www.foxnews.com) is streaming the trial live - where is everyone? :waitasec:

Seven - yoo hoo!
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_15_6.gif....... i'm a day late and many dollars short ...
(i was being assimilated into The Collective) ! ;)
can you proffer a summary of the highlights?
or was it another one of those http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_28_120.gif nitty pick days?

Ca-Sun
05-08-2007, 01:17 AM
Here (http://blog.courttv.com/phil_spector/) is a daily summary of the Phil Spector trial.

kato
05-08-2007, 11:49 AM
I missed yesterday. Is there court today? If so, what time? TIA

Whiner
05-08-2007, 12:46 PM
I missed yesterday. Is there court today? If so, what time? TIA

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/050707_ctv.html

According to the above article: Because of a juror's previously scheduled engagement, there will be no testimony Tuesday.

:razz:

Niner
05-08-2007, 12:52 PM
what?? no trial today?? Any one know?? :waitasec:

Niner
05-08-2007, 12:54 PM
thanks Whiner - should have read your post, before I posted... :)

kato
05-08-2007, 01:12 PM
http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/050707_ctv.html

According to the above article: Because of a juror's previously scheduled engagement, there will be no testimony Tuesday.

:razz:

Thanks. Man, every time I get time to watch there is no court! Frustrating.

Seven
05-08-2007, 02:26 PM
Here (http://blog.courttv.com/phil_spector/) is a daily summary of the Phil Spector trial.

Perfect .... I've bookmarked it!
I have a feeling I'll be referring to it often.

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Seven
05-08-2007, 02:52 PM
OT - by the way Seven - I've started watching the Star Trek Voyager series - and I LOVE Seven of Nine!! ;)
Hi, Niner! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/tg1124/smi/15_1_131.gif
I missed the Voyager series its first time around, so I ordered one from Netflix and found I really enjoyed it, too. The whole concept of the independent American being "assimilated by The Collective" (Borg) fascinated me, so i was happy to see that SpikeTV is now showing the Voyager series for those of us who missed it the first time around .... Are you waatching it on Spike also?



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Peter Hamilton
05-08-2007, 09:02 PM
Hi, Niner! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/tg1124/smi/15_1_131.gif
I missed the Voyager series its first time around, so I ordered one from Netflix and found I really enjoyed it, too. The whole concept of the independent American being "assimilated by The Collective" (Borg) fascinated me, so i was happy to see that SpikeTV is now showing the Voyager series for those of us who missed it the first time around .... Are you waatching it on Spike also--Nice to see some Voyager Fans here--We have all seven seasons on DVD--The Borg episodes are indeed the best--nice cast ,nice stories, good acting,good special effects,the Star Trek Voyager series is one of our all time favorites

Niner
05-09-2007, 11:16 AM
Hi, Niner! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/tg1124/smi/15_1_131.gif
I missed the Voyager series its first time around, so I ordered one from Netflix and found I really enjoyed it, too. The whole concept of the independent American being "assimilated by The Collective" (Borg) fascinated me, so i was happy to see that SpikeTV is now showing the Voyager series for those of us who missed it the first time around .... Are you waatching it on Spike also?



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hey Seven! :) Yes, on Spike TV! We are now watching the last season (2001), and getting to the end of them; wondering if they will start from the beginning again once they finish up the 2001 series??!! I hope so, cause we missed those too. The Huz printed out the names of the episodes for each season, so that is how we keep track of 'which' stories we've seen!

Does any one know WHAT TIME the trial starts this morning?? 9:30am??

Thanks!