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Quiche
04-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Just off the news ticker: TEPCO: The release of of highly radioactive water into the sea has been stopped - Kyodo
http://breakingnews.com
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83381.html
The outflow of highly radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has stopped after the injection of a chemical agent, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday.In a bid to stem the leak, the utility, known as TEPCO, injected 1,500 liters of ''water glass,'' or sodium silicate, and another agent near a seaside pit where the highly radioactive water had been seeping through.
Very good news! Thanks for bringing it over... now, I'm crossing my fingers.
Peliman
04-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Very good news! Thanks for bringing it over... now, I'm crossing my fingers.
Excellent Hoorah! Now to the excess water. Sketchy here because if the cooling pumps were working there would be no need for fire hoses and external cooling. (speculation on my part)
My understanding is they need to clear the water from the tunnels and floors in order to start the disabled cooling pumps. If that's successful then the external fire cooling could be discontinued. (maybe, hopefully)
Needing to do some digging here to find out what happens to reactor core waste water from the cooling system when it's functioning. I have a friend who is a scuba diver and has done dives in a waste water location and has only mentioned the water was warm. LOL
Excellent news on the crack patch yesssssss. I can only imagine they are getting minimal water into the reactor cores.
Quiche
04-05-2011, 07:33 PM
The Long Term Impact of Fukushima
Experts look ahead in a series of articles published today by the journal Nature.
Quote: But data from Japanese regulators and TEPCO suggest to some researchers that conditions inside the core could be far worse than a partial meltdown. Some believe that molten fuel may have flowed into the outer concrete containment vessel, whereas others suggest that nuclear chain reactions are still happening inside the fuel.
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/26613/
Quiche
04-05-2011, 07:57 PM
EPA to raise limits for radiation exposure while Canada turns off fallout detectors
http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html
A pretty thorough rant on how the US and Canada are handling the radiation crisis, he makes a number of good points. imo
Quiche
04-05-2011, 08:13 PM
Newly released TEPCO data provides evidence of periodic chain reaction at Fukushima Unit 1
http://progressivelever.com/2011/04/04/newly-released-tepco-data-provides-evidence-of-periodic-chain-reaction-at-fukushima-unit-1/
A scientific explanation for what may be happening at reactor #1. Pretty heady stuff, but I read through to the conclusion.
(bear in mind that since the "13" there was a blue flash over the plant last weekend)
Quiche
04-05-2011, 08:25 PM
Fukushima: Dumping into the Sea
Quote: The water has a (relatively) low-level of radioactivity of about 100 times the regulatory limit. Though the dumping would normally be illegal under the 1972 "Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes and Other Matter," the Japanese government issued Tepco an exemption...
Read more: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/04/05/fukushima-dumping-into-the-sea/#ixzz1IhLIJnTO
I wasn't sure I'd seen the explanation for "low-level"-- so, here it is.
Peliman
04-05-2011, 08:54 PM
EPA to raise limits for radiation exposure while Canada turns off fallout detectors
http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html
A pretty thorough rant on how the US and Canada are handling the radiation crisis, he makes a number of good points. imo
I don't see where Canada turned off it's fallout detectors? They have scaled back mobile monitoring but I only wish I could see a chart like Canada compiles for the US on their fixed site readings. They will post fixed site readings 3 times a week and monitor it daily.
In order to compare the actual daily values and account for normal fluctuations, the chart includes measured baseline values from 2010 (minimum, maximum and average over the entire year).
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/surveil-eng.php
I don't in any way agree to countries adjusting their safety values for radiation and isotope safety levels. Take a peek at their advertising.
Quiche
04-05-2011, 09:03 PM
I don't see where Canada turned off it's fallout detectors? They have scaled back mobile monitoring but I only wish I could see a chart like Canada compiles for the US on their fixed site readings. They will post fixed site readings 3 times a week and monitor it daily.
In order to compare the actual daily values and account for normal fluctuations, the chart includes measured baseline values from 2010 (minimum, maximum and average over the entire year).
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/surveil-eng.php
I don't in any way agree to countries adjusting their safety values for radiation and isotope safety levels. Take a peek at their advertising.
Huh, I guess he's got a bur in his b*tt. Thanks, Peli.
not_my_kids
04-05-2011, 09:09 PM
I'm sure that this is here somewhere, but this is RadNet, our EPA's site for all things radiation, readings, monitoring, and general statements to the public.
http://epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-data-map.html
hockeymom
04-05-2011, 09:11 PM
I did see and think I posted the link that Canada would not test their cows milk for radiation.
Peliman
04-05-2011, 09:29 PM
I did see and think I posted the link that Canada would not test their cows milk for radiation.
Well here's two statements from the Health Canada website to which the bottom of the page the link is referring to.
"Please note that as of March 25, 2011, the frequency of data collection by NRCan using the mobile surveys has been decreased due to the low levels of radiation being detected. The surveys will be repeated periodically and the data table will be updated. Health Canada has a large radiation detection and monitoring network composed of over 100 stations distributed across the country in strategic locations and major population centres. The amount of radiation from Japan being detected from these monitors is minuscule and does not pose a risk to the safety of our air, water, milk or agricultural products. To view published measurements from Health Canada, please visit the Fixed Point Surveillance Network website." Link provided with another statement.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/ed-ud/respond/nuclea/_data/surveil-eng.php
The Naturalnews website jumps to this conclusion
"Yep, since they're detecting low levels of radiation, this is apparently justification for turning off the monitors altogether, which of course is the kind of brilliant early warning plan that could have only been dreamed up by a brain-dead bureaucrat. It's as if these morons are sitting around a table having a conversation that goes something like this: <snipped>
Someone please tell me how the jump is made to "turning off the monitors altogether"
Quiche
04-05-2011, 10:05 PM
Disaster strengthens Japan-U.S. alliance: Pentagon official
Quote: Morrell said about 20,000 personnel, 140 aircraft and more than 20 ships from the U.S. military have supported the humanitarian assistance and disaster relief efforts in Japan.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83390.html
Quiche
04-05-2011, 10:16 PM
U.S. Sees Array of New Threats at Japan’s Nuclear Plant
Quote: Among other problems, the document raises new questions about whether pouring water on nuclear fuel in the absence of functioning cooling systems can be sustained indefinitely. Experts have said the Japanese need to continue to keep the fuel cool for many months until the plant can be stabilized, but there is growing awareness that the risks of pumping water on the fuel present a whole new category of challenges that the nuclear industry is only beginning to comprehend.
and
The assessment provides graphic new detail on the conditions of the damaged cores in reactors 1, 2 and 3. Because slumping fuel and salt from seawater that had been used as a coolant is probably blocking circulation pathways, the water flow in No. 1 “is severely restricted and likely blocked.” Inside the core itself, “there is likely no water level,” the assessment says, adding that as a result, “it is difficult to determine how much cooling is getting to the fuel.” Similar problems exist in No. 2 and No. 3, although the blockage is probably less severe, the assessment says.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Very informative article.
mommy23
04-05-2011, 10:36 PM
So after 2 years of trying, and being deemed infertile by 3 different doctors..... SURPRISE I am pregnant, just in time to have a nuclear crisis.... I swear, its just my luck!!!! I pray that not only my miracle baby (praying that he/she sticks!!! :praying: ) But everyone that is sharing my similar fears across the world, have happy healthy pregnancies/babies/children. And I am in complete shock right now....... :woohoo:
:praying: Japan get this under control.... LIKE YESTERDAY!!!!!
And I so appreciate everyone keeping us up to date, and helping to explain the situation :innocent:
memeanabby
04-05-2011, 10:40 PM
So after 2 years of trying, and being deemed infertile by 3 different doctors..... SURPRISE I am pregnant, just in time to have a nuclear crisis.... I swear, its just my luck!!!! I pray that not only my miracle baby (praying that he/she sticks!!! :praying: ) But everyone that is sharing my similar fears across the world, have happy healthy pregnancies/babies/children. And I am in complete shock right now....... :woohoo:
:praying: Japan get this under control.... LIKE YESTERDAY!!!!!
And I so appreciate everyone keeping us up to date, and helping to explain the situation :innocent:
Congrats!!!!!!!! I am so happy for you! You and your family are in my prayers!
Quiche
04-05-2011, 10:51 PM
So after 2 years of trying, and being deemed infertile by 3 different doctors..... SURPRISE I am pregnant, just in time to have a nuclear crisis.... I swear, its just my luck!!!! I pray that not only my miracle baby (praying that he/she sticks!!! :praying: ) But everyone that is sharing my similar fears across the world, have happy healthy pregnancies/babies/children. And I am in complete shock right now....... :woohoo:
:praying: Japan get this under control.... LIKE YESTERDAY!!!!!
And I so appreciate everyone keeping us up to date, and helping to explain the situation :innocent:
Blessings! I will pray for you both... :)
Niner
04-05-2011, 11:17 PM
snipped...
Tokyo Electric Power Co Ltd (TEPCO) plans to start paying compensation to those who had to evacuate or suffered other losses due to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant accident before damages have been assessed, the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper said Tuesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-japan-quake-compensation-idUSTRE7336QV20110404
Wow, that actually resembles some responsibility on Tepco's part. I'm shocked.
sorry - just started to continue this thread, but saw not_my_kids post and had to say:
not too responsible... it comes out only $12 per person... :banghead:
OneLove
04-05-2011, 11:19 PM
Mommy23, congratulations to you and all your family! Please try to unload your worries and let others carry them for you. This too shall pass, and your loved ones need your loving care and you need relief from concern about things you can't do much about anyway. Things will all work out eventually and in the meantime you are meant for maternal bliss. I will be thinking of you and sending loving, healing thoughts your way. This is truly a time for you to trust and let go of burdens beyond your call. Please let us carry them for you for this little bit of precious time you have to bring a blessing into the world Xxo
As for me, being beyond the age of childbearing, i have decided to commit every whit of ability I have left devoted to ending nuclear power on the face of the earth so that our children, grandchildren, and their grandchildren can live free of the disaster my generation has ALLOWED to be created. I opposed nuclear power in my youth in the 1970's and it is time for me to call upon all the resources I have been blessed with to do my part. This, I feel, is a sacred duty. I will think of you and your family as I journey down this road.
In my retirement, I have completed half of the 4 year school and clinical residency to attain national board certification in Five Element Acupuncture and have taken a year off to care for several different family members in need. Acupuncture, ESPECIALLY Five Element, is awesomely and transformatively healing. I highly recommend it. It can reset your body's circuitry back to a more blissful frequency. Love and luck to you. And don't WORRY, hahah. <3 <3 <3
peeples
04-05-2011, 11:33 PM
So after 2 years of trying, and being deemed infertile by 3 different doctors..... SURPRISE I am pregnant, just in time to have a nuclear crisis.... I swear, its just my luck!!!! I pray that not only my miracle baby (praying that he/she sticks!!! :praying: ) But everyone that is sharing my similar fears across the world, have happy healthy pregnancies/babies/children. And I am in complete shock right now....... :woohoo:
:praying: Japan get this under control.... LIKE YESTERDAY!!!!!
And I so appreciate everyone keeping us up to date, and helping to explain the situation :innocent:
Congrats!!!! We'll so have to do some type of virtual baby shower downstairs LOL!!!!
P.S. Sending you sticky dust!!!!
mommy23
04-06-2011, 12:00 AM
Thank you everyone :)
And OneLove, your post just brought me to tears....
I try not to worry, but I can't help it, you know? All this crap in our world scares me.... But I guess this proves, at least right now, that life goes on.....
Thanks for the sticky dust :crazy: I need it!!!!!
I am still just in shock.... The 7 tests I took today..... Still haven't totally convinced me this is real.
Ok, I will stop hijacking this thread, I have just been so obsessed with this everyday since the earthquake, that radiation is the first thing I thought of.... Maybe I need to distance myself for a few days....
You guys are all great :blowkiss:
sirensong
04-06-2011, 12:09 AM
Awww, mommy23. Congratulations! I am sure God intended to give you this gift, at this time, for many reasons that only He knows. But I bet one was to show you that as long as there is life, there is hope. And love.
not_my_kids
04-06-2011, 01:05 AM
ya know, my brother just reminded me: at that beginning of each year, we don't make resolutions, we use "words to live by this year". I went with lyrics from a song which say "Keep your hopes up high and your head down low."
Becoming better self-advice every day, IMO.
dsntslp
04-06-2011, 07:31 AM
How radiation will change Japan
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/05/6413951-how-radiation-will-change-japan
Apologies if repeat.
Peliman
04-06-2011, 07:52 AM
U.S. Sees Array of New Threats at Japan’s Nuclear Plant
Quote: Among other problems, the document raises new questions about whether pouring water on nuclear fuel in the absence of functioning cooling systems can be sustained indefinitely. Experts have said the Japanese need to continue to keep the fuel cool for many months until the plant can be stabilized, but there is growing awareness that the risks of pumping water on the fuel present a whole new category of challenges that the nuclear industry is only beginning to comprehend.
and
The assessment provides graphic new detail on the conditions of the damaged cores in reactors 1, 2 and 3. Because slumping fuel and salt from seawater that had been used as a coolant is probably blocking circulation pathways, the water flow in No. 1 “is severely restricted and likely blocked.” Inside the core itself, “there is likely no water level,” the assessment says, adding that as a result, “it is difficult to determine how much cooling is getting to the fuel.” Similar problems exist in No. 2 and No. 3, although the blockage is probably less severe, the assessment says.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Very informative article.
Excellent read, it speaks to criticality and addresses other issues.
"The steps recommended by the nuclear commission include injecting nitrogen, an inert gas, into the containment structures in an attempt to purge them of hydrogen and oxygen, which could combine to produce explosions. The document also recommends that engineers continue adding boron to cooling water to help prevent the cores from restarting the nuclear reaction, a process known as criticality. "
Criticality is not expected.
Peliman
04-06-2011, 08:21 AM
TEPCO to inject nitrogen into No.1 reactor
The operator of the disaster-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is to inject nitrogen gas into the containment vessel of the No.1 reactor, as early as Wednesday, in a bid to avoid a possible hydrogen explosion.
TEPCO says such work requires caution, as an injection of nitrogen gas could cause leaks of radioactive steam and gas from the containment vessel.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_29.html
Taking 3 steps back while they inject nitrogen gas into the reactors. ;)
peeples
04-06-2011, 10:28 AM
an interview yesterday from the CDC... don't know if it was posted already or not
CDC chief: Americans not at risk from radiation
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/05/cdc-chief-no-risk-to-americans-from-japan-radiation/?hpt=T2
hollyblue
04-06-2011, 10:47 AM
U.S. Sees Array of New Threats at Japan’s Nuclear Plant
Quote: Among other problems, the document raises new questions about whether pouring water on nuclear fuel in the absence of functioning cooling systems can be sustained indefinitely. Experts have said the Japanese need to continue to keep the fuel cool for many months until the plant can be stabilized, but there is growing awareness that the risks of pumping water on the fuel present a whole new category of challenges that the nuclear industry is only beginning to comprehend.
and
The assessment provides graphic new detail on the conditions of the damaged cores in reactors 1, 2 and 3. Because slumping fuel and salt from seawater that had been used as a coolant is probably blocking circulation pathways, the water flow in No. 1 “is severely restricted and likely blocked.” Inside the core itself, “there is likely no water level,” the assessment says, adding that as a result, “it is difficult to determine how much cooling is getting to the fuel.” Similar problems exist in No. 2 and No. 3, although the blockage is probably less severe, the assessment says.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Very informative article.
Great article. Pretty much confirms that this is new territory for all the groups putting their :twocents: in. How discerning...and from reading the other links posted, those poor citizens of Japan are expected to now undergo "research" for many years/decades to come...and of course, the $12. Pfffsst. Unbelievable. TEPCO and the govenment should provide free mecical care for these people...in the least. Most have no homes, dead or missing loved ones, contamination sweltering all around them...in their food and water for drinking, bathing and other life sustaining functions.
I keep envisioning a man going up a ladder and putting band-aids on the steps and frame behind him...don't know what's going to happen....IF he ever reaches the top. I get the feeling this whole mess is only at the beginning.
hollyblue
04-06-2011, 11:38 AM
Excellent read, it speaks to criticality and addresses other issues.
"The steps recommended by the nuclear commission include injecting nitrogen, an inert gas, into the containment structures in an attempt to purge them of hydrogen and oxygen, which could combine to produce explosions. The document also recommends that engineers continue adding boron to cooling water to help prevent the cores from restarting the nuclear reaction, a process known as criticality. "
Criticality is not expected.
IDK, I'm thinking it has already...atleast partially. Where the heck are all these neutron blasts coming from and how is where is the extra neutron coming from to produce C1-38? :dunno:
Quiche
04-06-2011, 11:48 AM
Japan faces another dilemma: Irradiated bodies
Near Fukushima plant, hundreds of corpses uncollected because of contamination fears
Quote: For the first three days of April, some 25,000 Japanese and American troops mounted a massive search for thousands of dead or missing residents. But they did not enter the 12-mile “exclusion zone” around the Fukushima plant, according to the Japanese government.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42441638/ns/world_news-disaster_in_japan/
Another mistake, imo. Nature handles the dead with predators... now they will take their new found radiation wherever they please. Birds, rodents, insects, etc.. These should have been collected, and protected, first-- hindsight, and all that.
Quiche
04-06-2011, 11:51 AM
IDK, I'm thinking it has already...atleast partially. Where the heck are all these neutron blasts coming from and how is where is the extra neutron coming from to produce C1-38? :dunno:
Everything at Fukushima is "partial"-- remember that? Nothing to be concerned about, stay calm. :banghead:
not_my_kids
04-06-2011, 12:54 PM
Everything at Fukushima is "partial"-- remember that? Nothing to be concerned about, stay calm. :banghead:
And whatever you do, DON'T WORRY!! (Sorry, I had to. :) )
Peliman
04-06-2011, 03:16 PM
Turn down the lights
Turn down the bed
Turn down the voices running through your heads.
:)
Daisyjane
04-06-2011, 03:17 PM
And whatever you do, DON'T WORRY!! (Sorry, I had to. :) )
Just download the Pointer Sisters "Neutron Dance" and google recipes for radiofish.
Daisyjane
04-06-2011, 03:29 PM
Confidential U.S. document reveals “new threats” at Fukushima:
Risk of explosions inside containment structures
“Semimolten” fuel rods and salt are “impeding the flow of fresh water meant to cool the nuclear cores” in ALL THREE REACTORS
The water flow in reactor No. 1 “is severely restricted and likely blocked“
Similar problems exist in No. 2 and No. 3, although the blockage is probably less severe
“There is likely no water level” inside the core of reactor No. 1
There is a possibility of “explosions inside the containment structures”
Read the NYTIMES article at
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=all#
Quiche
04-06-2011, 05:31 PM
Fukushima Workers Aiming at Prevention
Quote: Technicians began pumping nitrogen into an area around one of the plant's six reactors at 1:31 a.m. Thursday (1631 Wednesday GMT; 12:31 p.m. Wednesday EDT) to counteract the hydrogen...
and
Now that the leak has stopped, the pooling could actually get worse because water that had been going into the ocean could back up onto the grounds of the complex.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2063623,00.html#ixzz1ImTjRvJp
OneLove
04-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Warning: RANT
Soooo.... if, as TEPCO says, the highly radioactive water they just dumped was ONLY equivalent to 5 swimming pools, why in the name of humanity, did they not store it in FIVE SWIMMING POOLS or such containment vessels/tanks/ whatever all the world's resources could deliver until they could figure out what to with it rather than poisoning the world's seas forever?????
I agree with Japan's own fishermen: UNFORGIVABLE!
Not evacuating those in danger: UNFORGIVABLE!
Not having necessary provisions for those in shelters: UNFORGIVABLE!
Valuing PROFIT above human life: UNFORGIVABLE!
This unforgivable spewing of radioactive contamination at Fukishima is NOT isolated. It is happening to some degree everywhere there are nuclear reactors. If we do not DO SOMETHING to change things, our next generation will be calling US unforgivable, as well they should.
*emote: nuclear-level rage*
Quiche
04-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Unmanned plane to be used to check radiation levels
Quote: The adoption of the remote-controlled T-Hawk aircraft, which is capable of hovering and moving vertically,...
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83630.html
not_my_kids
04-06-2011, 10:21 PM
Unmanned plane to be used to check radiation levels
Quote: The adoption of the remote-controlled T-Hawk aircraft, which is capable of hovering and moving vertically,...
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83630.html
How carefully have they thought about this? I mean, really? Remember that the radiation levels inside the plant are so high that the detectors won't even work...if they are even three quarters that high above the plant, the remote control elements could fail and they end up with a really expensive, highly irradiated flaming ball of fire crashing into an already unstable nuclear facility...
Probably a bit alarmist of me, but I do think it's a possibility. If it's too high for humans to monitor it, it's likely too high to trust the electronics, either. JMO (as influenced heavily by Chernobyl and what they learned there about robotics and radiation).
Quiche
04-06-2011, 10:31 PM
How carefully have they thought about this? I mean, really? Remember that the radiation levels inside the plant are so high that the detectors won't even work...if they are even three quarters that high above the plant, the remote control elements could fail and they end up with a really expensive, highly irradiated flaming ball of fire crashing into an already unstable nuclear facility...
Probably a bit alarmist of me, but I do think it's a possibility. If it's too high for humans to monitor it, it's likely too high to trust the electronics, either. JMO (as influenced heavily by Chernobyl and what they learned there about robotics and radiation).
I know the robotics have been vastly improved since Chernobyl-- the question is, can they endure these never conceived of levels? I'll cross my fingers for this one too... information is power, and this is the only way they're going to get a glimpse of what's happening in those reactors. mo
Quiche
04-06-2011, 10:41 PM
WTH????!!!!
NEWS ADVISORY: Gov't mulls allowing nuke-crisis evacuees to return home briefly: Edano
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/
OneLove
04-06-2011, 11:31 PM
Uh, whaa??? If they let those innocent, hurting, and obviously uneducated (about radioactive contamination) people back into
an area that will cause their eventual
suffering and death, I will be convinced once and for all that the government and the profit-motive business WANT as many people to die as possible at this point. After all, it would probably be cheaper in the long run if they would just go ahead and die before massive compensation must be made. Bet they've even already run the numbers on this. They know these people can never live in their homes again. I also worry about what very depressed, worn-down, and hopeless people might do if left alone in their homes with the remnants of their destroyed lives all around them. I just don't understand this.
Can someone paint this in a plausible, more positive light? I'm just so angry I can't see straight.
essies
04-06-2011, 11:43 PM
Alarming Report From Nuclear Regulatory Commission On Japanese Nuclear Crisis and A Chef Speaks About Japanese Seafood-April 06, 2011 CNN
http://youtu.be/PYt85WB54PE
I wonder if Martha Stewart will come out with her own brand of docimeters in time for Christmas?:fence:
dsntslp
04-06-2011, 11:45 PM
Return to WHAT houses?
And then return to the general population ...and have to be decontaminated before re-entry?
And how would they decontaminate their insides, from the...
Never mind, I give up.
Asprin.
G'night all.
Thank you for the updates, truly.
not_my_kids
04-06-2011, 11:47 PM
Maybe they are hoping that there are items that people can retrieve from their homes that will help them survive without being dependent on the government resources only? Not that that makes much sense as everything in their homes is likely to be contaminated.
''Yes, it is true that we are considering it,'' the top government spokesman said at a news conference, when asked about the possibility of allowing the evacuees to make brief visits to their houses to collect valuables and necessities after nearly a month since the crisis at the nuclear complex began.
The quote above is from Quiche's link, and does say that they are considering how to keep the people safe while they grab those things...but once again, how do they go about decontaminating those items, and what are the chances that the poeple will be allowed to hold onto items or will they confiscate things like food in order to use it for everyone? (Sorry, not a lot of trust in the government right now.)
dsntslp
04-06-2011, 11:48 PM
"Indefinitely" ???
Blow the things to kingdom come and be done with it, in my layman uneducated opinion.
Indefinitely?
Sounds like ICA ""absolutely".
I may never in my life hear those words the same...
dsntslp
04-06-2011, 11:50 PM
If they can not retrieve dead bodies for burial because they are so contaminated they can not safely be buried in the ground, how on Gods green earth do they intend to let real live people remove anything from that area and take it back to where those people are living?
Where is the logic there?
I have obviously missed some major mitigating factor here.
not_my_kids
04-06-2011, 11:50 PM
But Hiro Hasegawa, head of cooperate communications for Tepco, said they were just professionals doing their job.
"We should say we are proud of them," he said in an interview with the BBC. "Approximately 80-90% of them are Tepco employees.
"We are not forcing them to work. Some people call them heroes. We don't think so. They are doing what they should do as Tepco employees."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12983554
And now that my stomach has been turned by that particularly disgusting expression of corporate greed, (they aren't heroes...uh they're much more heroic than you, Mr. Spokesman) I'm gonna retire myself.
dsntslp
04-06-2011, 11:52 PM
G'night NMK.
Hang in there.
How utterly depressing.
Not even the devastation but the way it is being handled.
Hugs
Does anyone know if snow and or rain are effected by radiation in the atmosphere? Does the snow or rain bring it down in higher concentrations? (not worried just curious) we've had a lot of rain here this week and I am thinking there was snow on one of the summits this week (can't remember which one they said though). TIA.
Trino
04-07-2011, 05:41 AM
Does anyone know if snow and or rain are effected by radiation in the atmosphere? Does the snow or rain bring it down in higher concentrations? (not worried just curious) we've had a lot of rain here this week and I am thinking there was snow on one of the summits this week (can't remember which one they said though). TIA.
http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/03/radiation-found-in-rain-in-california-idaho-minnesota/
I think this answers your question. In St. Paul???
http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/03/radiation-found-in-rain-in-california-idaho-minnesota/
I think this answers your question. In St. Paul???
Thank you Trino (I'm in Hawaii). I'm off to read!
mister happy
04-07-2011, 07:08 AM
But Hiro Hasegawa, head of cooperate communications for Tepco, said they were just professionals doing their job.
"We should say we are proud of them," he said in an interview with the BBC. "Approximately 80-90% of them are Tepco employees.
"We are not forcing them to work. Some people call them heroes. We don't think so. They are doing what they should do as Tepco employees."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12983554
And now that my stomach has been turned by that particularly disgusting expression of corporate greed, (they aren't heroes...uh they're much more heroic than you, Mr. Spokesman) I'm gonna retire myself.
This is the first time in my humble life that I had the overwhelming desire to spit in someone's face.
essies
04-07-2011, 07:43 AM
Arnie Gunderson of Fairewinds update of Fukushima - 4/6/11
Closing Ranks: The NRC, the Nuclear Industry, and TEPCo. Are Limiting the Flow of Information
Closing Ranks: The NRC, the Nuclear Industry, and TEPCo. Are Limiting the Flow of Information on Vimeo
http://fairewinds.com/
nursebeeme
04-07-2011, 08:20 AM
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1302175357P.pdf
current status
essies
04-07-2011, 08:53 AM
Radiation Poisoning Fukushima Debate Two Points of View -Democracy Now March 30,2011
http://youtu.be/LIpJ3kNtdJQ
snipped from transcript-
The Guardian's George Monbiot Defends the safety record of nuclear power and worries that hysteria from the Fukushima disaster will stall or stop nuclear power plant projects, causing companies to return to burning coal, which has killed more people and caused more disease than atomic energy.
Anti-nuclear activist, Dr. Helen Caldicott holds a much more grim view of the current situation: "...Up to a million people have already died from Chernobyl, and people will continue to die from cancer...What we should know is that a millionth of a gram of plutonium, or less, can induce cancer, or will induce cancer. Each reactor has 250 kilos, or 500 pounds, of plutonium in it. You know, there's enough plutonium in these reactors to kill everyone onEearth.
"Now, what George doesn't understand...You don't understand internal emitters. I was commissioned to write an article for the New England Journal of Medicine about the dangers of nuclear power. I spent a year researching it. You've bought the propaganda from the nuclear industry. They say it's low-level radiation. That's absolute rubbish. If you inhale a millionth of a gram of plutonium, the surrounding cells receive a very, very high dose. Most die within that area, because it's an alpha emitter. The cells on the periphery remain viable. They mutate, and the regulatory genes are damaged. Years later, that person develops cancer. Now, that's true for radioactive iodine, that goes to the thyroid; cesium-137, that goes to the brain and muscles; strontium-90 goes to bone, causing bone cancer and leukemia. It's imperative, George, because you're highly intelligent and a very important commentator, that you understand internal emitters and radiation, and it's not low level to the cells that are exposed. Radiobiology is imperative to understand these days. ...
"As it leaks into the water over time, it will bioconcentrate in the food chains, in the breast milk, in the fetuses, that are thousands of times more radiosensitive than adults. One x-ray to the pregnant abdomen doubles the incidence of leukemia in the child. And over time, nuclear waste will induce epidemics of cancer, leukemia and genetic disease, and random compulsory genetic engineering. And we're not the only species with genes, of course. It's plants and animals. So, this is an absolute catastrophe, the likes of which the world has never seen before. ...
Quiche
04-07-2011, 10:20 AM
Nitrogen smoothly injected into Fukushima No. 1 reactor
Quote: In its operation to prevent a hydrogen explosion at the No. 1 reactor, TEPCO plans to insert nearly 6,000 cubic meters of nitrogen, an inert gas, into the reactor over six days and estimates that about 200 cubic meters were injected between 1:30 a.m. and 9:50 a.m. Thursday.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/nitrogen-smoothly-injected-into-fukushima-no-1-reactor
A variety of plant issues are discussed in this article.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Core of Stricken Reactor Probably Leaked, U.S. Says
Excerpt:
He based that on a question his staff had asked the agency. But the agency responded to him by e-mail on Tuesday without directly addressing possible melting, saying only that it speculated that “part of the Unit 2 core may be out of the reactor pressure vessel and may be in the lower space of the drywell.” After the hearing, in response to numerous questions, the agency said that “there are possible leakage paths from the reactor vessel into the drywell.”
It did not say whether the fuel was molten or solid. If molten fuel has left the reactor’s pressure vessel and reached the drywell in substantial quantities, it raises the possibility that the fuel could escape the larger containment structure, leading to a large-scale radioactive release.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world/asia/07japan.html?_r=1&src=me
Quiche
04-07-2011, 10:41 AM
Nuclear-crisis evacuees may be allowed to return home briefly
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83782.html
This issue makes me wonder if the announcement is designed to mollify the frustrations evacuees are feeling. Show them that their situation is on the table being considered-- I'll be stunned if they actually allow it. jmo
Add: The breaking news banner states there's been another strong earthquake in northeast Japan, with tsunami warning. I'll watch for it on the USGS site... Kyodo says it was a 7.4 with 6 strong jolts.
eta: and here it is http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia.php
Linda7NJ
04-07-2011, 10:47 AM
AP news wire
waltzingmatilda
04-07-2011, 10:49 AM
Oh Noooooo! Not again! Those poor Japanese people!
wm
Quiche
04-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Japan Sends Team of 23 Robots That Withstand Radiation to Fukushima
Quote: The IRS says the robots can withstand radiation (up to 20 Sv currently) and are also water-proof to a certain extent (driving through puddles, for example, is supposed to be no problem).
and
A team of 23 of the robots will be sent to fulfill two main tasks: measure radiation and gas levels at the plant and shoot videos. Each unit is 50cm long, 1m high and weighs 27kg.
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/04/07/japan-sends-team-of-23-rescue-robots-that-withstand-radiation-to-fukushima/
Idk, 20Sv? I think there may be hotter spots than that, and it says they can puddle jump, but they don't swim. Maybe they can help, but... jmo
lkhns
04-07-2011, 10:54 AM
7.4 quake just hit off Japan, at Miyagi Prefecture. Tsunami alert issued.
Reannan
04-07-2011, 10:55 AM
Oh no!!! How much more can they stand?? Please let there not be another tsunami too!!!
lkhns
04-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Lasted several minutes, Fukushima workers told to leave. No idea if any further damage at plant. Power out in Sendai City. Will post more as I find out.
PS First heard about this from a poster on ATS (Above TopSecret) who lives in Japan. ATS is a great site with a lot of science peeps that help me understand (somewhat) what is happening.
lkhns
04-07-2011, 11:01 AM
Danaii plant has checked in that all is fine there---but they cannot communicate with anyone at Daichii. No response. Maybe b/c the workers left?? Yikes.
lkhns
04-07-2011, 11:08 AM
According to some on ATS, Fox is broadcasting a huge explosion that occurred at Daiichi. I am not near a tv, so cannot confirm. Can't find any such video on Fox.com. Can anyone else confirm?
Wise Old Owl
04-07-2011, 11:17 AM
Its on FOX now.
Wise Old Owl
04-07-2011, 11:17 AM
Its on FOX now - nothing about the power plant.
Wise Old Owl
04-07-2011, 11:19 AM
Area around Sendai was heavily shaken.
Tsunami warning issued - level of 3 feet.
Yes, it is considered an aftershock.
Wise Old Owl
04-07-2011, 11:20 AM
And
A 6.5 in Mexico today! Expert on says the one is Mexico was not a surprise.
mommy23
04-07-2011, 11:22 AM
Poor Japan, I hope no one was injured!!!!
And Mexico too? Yikes!!!
Quiche
04-07-2011, 11:25 AM
Interesting that the worries about the extra pressure of all the water combined with an earthquake were just being discussed in the news. :(
Noddy
04-07-2011, 11:25 AM
Oh wow. The epicenter is just 12 miles from Cat Island. So sad.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 11:30 AM
WRAPUP 1-Strong earthquake shakes Japan's ruined northeast coast
Quote: No damage from Thursday's quake was detected at the plant and NHK said workers had been evacuated without reports of any injuries.
There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage elsewhere but people in areas covered by the tsunami warning should evacuate to higher ground, Japan's NHK public television said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/07/japan-idUSL3E7F72Y220110407
Quiche
04-07-2011, 11:48 AM
Japan Tsunami: Debris From Disaster Heading to U.S. West Coast
Floating Rubble of 200,000 Buildings Becomes Threat to Shipping Traffic
Quote: After the tsunami and 9.0 earthquake that hit Japan in March, enormous chunks of entire towns were washed away and are now being found floating in open waters.
Members of the US Navy's 7th fleet, near the coast of Japan, say they've never seen anything like it
http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-tsunami-debris-disaster-heading-us-west-coast/story?id=13315991
http://abcnews.go.com/International/71-magnitite-earthquake-strikes-damaged-northeast-japan/story?id=13318962
They are talking about this on local news. No tsunami warning for HI or USA.
Dr. Know?
04-07-2011, 11:53 AM
From twitter:
tokyoreporter Tokyo Reporter
NHK's report on Onagawa nuclear plant: two power sources out, one on 女川原発 外部電源一部喪失 http://nhk.jp/N3v66Mfs
(we can't read it but the tweet was important)
Quiche
04-07-2011, 12:21 PM
New Japan Quake Cuts Power To Nuclear Plants
Quote: ...NHK says power cuts are occurring at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi Pref., although radiation levels around the plant remain unchanged so far.
At 12:23 a.m. the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, an arm of the Japanese government, began holding an emergency press conference. An official said external sources of electricity have been cut to both the Higashi-Dori nuclear power plant in Aomori Pref., in northern Japan and the Rokkasho nuclear recycling plant, which I wrote in the latest issue of Forbes magazine . Both plants are reportedly operating normally via on-site emergency generators.
http://blogs.forbes.com/yasidei/2011/04/07/new-japan-quake-cuts-power-to-nuclear-plants/
dsntslp
04-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Tsunami warning lifted after large Japan quake
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42473172/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Quiche
04-07-2011, 12:28 PM
Okay, so this place was effected in early March too--
Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant
Excerpt: 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami
After the Tōhoku earthquake in March 2011, the plant ran on emergency power provided by backup diesel generators.[10] The emergency generators were not intended for long-term use.[11] Reportedly there are about 3,000 tons of highly radioactive used nuclear fuel stored in Rokkasho at current, that could overheat and catch fire if the cooling systems fail.
Japanese radio reported on March 13 that 600 liters of water leaked at the Rokkasho spent fuel pool.[12]
According to The New York Times, grid power was restored on March 14, 2011.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokkasho_Reprocessing_Plant
This place is owned by Japan Nuclear Fuel Limited, there is a link within the article.
Daisyjane
04-07-2011, 12:29 PM
from the breaking news ticker:
NHK: NISA says Onagawa nuclear plant in Miyagi loses 2 of 3 external power systems following M7.4 quake. Checking with Tohoku Electric.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 12:41 PM
This is a good link just in case the Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant becomes a concern-- it gives links to articles about the plant.
http://www.cnic.jp/english/topics/cycle/rokkasho/index.html
ThoughtFox
04-07-2011, 12:41 PM
omg!!! I was afraid of this - there have been some really big aftershocks up to the 5 range.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 12:46 PM
Okay, pray for the generators at Rokkasho to keep it going!
Quote: Takashi Hirose, a well-noted Japanese writer on nuclear problems, has pointed out there are about 3,000 tons of highly radioactive used nuclear fuel stored in Rokkasho that could overheat and catch fire if the cooling systems fail. This amount could spread nuclear fallout or "ashes of death" to the whole world, he said.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/MD05Dh01.html
Daisyjane
04-07-2011, 12:54 PM
According to some on ATS, Fox is broadcasting a huge explosion that occurred at Daiichi. I am not near a tv, so cannot confirm. Can't find any such video on Fox.com. Can anyone else confirm?
Any info available on this explosion, please?
Quiche
04-07-2011, 01:11 PM
I don't believe there's been another explosion--
Nitrogen, coolant water injection unaffected by Miyagi quake
Quote: A quake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.4 caused engineers engaged in recovery work at the Fukushima Daiichi station to temporarily evacuate, but no one was injured and no abnormalities have so far been detected in radiation levels near the plant, they said.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83903.html
Daisyjane
04-07-2011, 01:58 PM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83917.html
VIENNA, April 7, KyodoThe International Atomic Energy Agency has noticed ''early signs of recovery'' at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan despite the serious overall situation, a senior IAEA official said Thursday.
''There are early signs of recovery in some functions such as electrical power and instrumentation,'' Denis Flory, IAEA deputy director general and head of the department of nuclear safety and security, said at a press conference. Nevertheless the situation at the plant ''remains very serious,'' he added. According to Flory, two IAEA reactor experts visited the troubled Fukushima plant and exchanged views with Japanese officials concerned.==Kyodo
Quiche
04-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Video of Aftershock Shaking Japan
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/video-of-aftershock-shaking-japan/?smid=tw-thelede&seid=auto
Notice the power goes out rather quickly...
essies
04-07-2011, 02:21 PM
"Blinding" Blue Light/Flash Seen During 7.4 Earthquake In Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFe1QwvxHQg
Not sure what that is-but it doesn't look good!!:waitasec:
essies
04-07-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P_uWj2zQuw
Quiche
04-07-2011, 02:26 PM
"Blinding" Blue Light/Flash Seen During 7.4 Earthquake In Japan
http://youtu.be/WFe1QwvxHQg?hd=1
Not sure what that is-but it doesn't look good!!:waitasec:
Hopefully it was transmission lines striking together... not a transformer, that wouldn't have lasted so long.
Elphaba
04-07-2011, 02:45 PM
That area can't get a break... Bless their battered souls. :(
peeples
04-07-2011, 02:49 PM
that looked too bright for power lines......
Quiche
04-07-2011, 02:50 PM
Challenges Mount at Fukushima, But Threat To Human Health Remains Low
Quote: Reactors have five barriers to prevent the release of radioactive material: a fuel pellet, zirconium cladding around the fuel, the reactor pressure vessel, the containment vessel, and the outer shell of the building. So according to the NRC, all that remains to keep the fuel from the outside environment in reactor no 2 is the containment vessel and the outer shell of the building. Everything else has been breached.
Read more: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/04/07/challenges-mount-at-fukushima-but-threat-to-human-health-remains-low/#ixzz1Irfobmos
Lots of conflicting information today.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 02:52 PM
that looked too bright for power lines......
I think those videos are of Sendai-- a good distance away from a nuke plant. So, thankfully-- it's not neutrons, imo.
eta: Onagawa power plant is abt. 52 miles away from Sendai. fwiw
dsntslp
04-07-2011, 02:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/29/japan.nuclear.leaks/index.html
Cosmic Log: Japan aftershocks not shocking
Thursday's quake knocked out several power lines at the Onagawa nuclear power plant north of Sendai, which has been shut down since the tsunami. One remaining line was supplying power to the plant and radiation monitoring devices detected no abnormalities. The plant's spent fuel pools briefly lost cooling capacity but an emergency diesel generator quickly kicked in.
coastal
04-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Tsunami warning lifted after large Japan quake
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42473172/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Thank all the Gods for that small mercy!
Daisyjane
04-07-2011, 05:22 PM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/83921.html VIENNA, April 7, Kyodo
Radioactive materials released from Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant had spread around the entire northern hemisphere in the two weeks following the March 11 quake and tsunami disaster, a Vienna-based international nuclear watchdog said Thursday. The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization said minute traces of radioactive substances spread around the hemisphere by around March 25 after moving across the Pacific Ocean and other places. It said the amounts of such substances were far below levels that could affect human health.
The organization runs 63 monitoring stations around the world, including one in Takasaki, Gunma Prefecture in Japan. The Takasaki station detected radioactive substances on March 12, followed by detection in eastern Russia on March 14 and in the west coast of the United States two days later. The radioactive materials then crossed the Atlantic and reached Iceland on March 22, it said.
According to a simulation by a German research institute, a path of the radioactive materials involved moving from Fukushima to the United States on air currents before they were dispersed from northern Canada to the Arctic Sea to spread around the hemisphere.==Kyodo
hockeymom
04-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Schools closed in South Korea due to radioactive rain fear.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42469812/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Of course authorities say there is not enough radiation to be harmful to humans. ( I wish I had a dollar for everytime we hear that said!)
Daisyjane
04-07-2011, 07:57 PM
Lots of info and photos here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374520/Cars-houses-severed-feet-shoes-The-vast-field-debris-Japan-earthquake-tsunami-thats-floating-U-S-West-Coast.html
A vast field of debris, swept out to sea following the Japan earthquake and tsunami, is floating towards the U.S. West Coast, it emerged today.
More than 200,000 buildings were washed out by the enormous waves that followed the 9.0 quake on March 11. There have been reports of cars, tractor-trailers, capsized ships and even whole houses bobbing around in open water.
But even more grizzly are the predictions of U.S. oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer, who is expecting human feet, still in their shoes, to wash up on the West Coast within three years.
'I'm expecting parts of houses, whole boats and feet in sneakers to wash up,' Mr Ebbesmeyer, a Seattle oceanographer who has spent decades tracking flotsam, told MailOnline.
Several thousand bodies were washed out to sea following the disaster and while most of the limbs will come apart and break down in the water, feet encased in shoes will float, Mr Ebbesmeyer said. 'I'm expecting the unexpected,' he added.
Quiche
04-07-2011, 08:01 PM
Even as Disaster Unfolds, Plan Forms to Dismantle Reactors
Quote: “All things hinge,” said David Richardson, a president at Babcock & Wilcox, “on having safe access.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/world/asia/08toshiba.html
Well now, that's the catch, isn't it...
Quiche
04-07-2011, 08:05 PM
Massive pumps departing U.S. for Japan nuclear plant
Quote: Each pump weighs 190,000 pounds and has a boom reach of over 227 feet, and can pump water and concrete at massive rates. They will be loaded aboard enormous Russian cargo jets Friday.
and
There are only two such pumps in the world, said Putzmeister spokeswoman Mary Roberts.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/07/japan.concrete.pumps/
Niner
04-07-2011, 09:10 PM
Schools closed in South Korea due to radioactive rain fear.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42469812/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Of course authorities say there is not enough radiation to be harmful to humans. ( I wish I had a dollar for everytime we hear that said!)
re bold - no kidding hockeymom!! :banghead:
and again - would like to thank EVERYONE that has posted links and explainations - THANKS!! :seeya:
dsntslp
04-08-2011, 12:31 AM
Inside Japan's Evacuation Zone "It's Eerie Here".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42478877/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Awww, The pic of the dogs just tears at my heart! Those dogs look so much like my own (in my avatar). How sad :(
OT: 3-31-11 HaLeigh had 8 pups btw and is doing well. Adji (the big guy in my av) is the dad and the girl on his right is HaLeigh (the mom). Yes, life goes on... :)
dsntslp
04-08-2011, 12:40 AM
EDITORIAL: Kan owes world explanation for pumping radioactive water in sea
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201104060144.html
dsntslp
04-08-2011, 12:51 AM
Photos: Japan tries to move on after quake, tsunami
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/04/world/hires.gallery.japan.forward/index.html?hpt=C2
As always, apologies for any repeats.
Daisyjane
04-08-2011, 08:44 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84063.html
Radioactive water spilled from pools holding spent nuclear fuel rods at the Onagawa power plant in Miyagi Prefecture following the strong earthquake late Thursday, the nuclear safety agency said Friday. While the spent fuel pools at the Onagawa plant and the Higashidori nuclear power station in Aomori Prefecture, both operated by Tohoku Electric Power Co., lost their cooling functions for 20 to 80 minutes after the quake, the temperature hardly rose, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said. A small amount of contaminated water spilled on the floor was observed inside the buildings at all three reactors at the Onagawa plant, which has suspended operations since the mega earthquake and tsunami last month, according to the agency.
In all, water spilled or leaked at eight sections of the plant as a result of the 11:32 p.m. quake, according to Tohoku Electric. As much as 3.8 liters of water leaked at one of them, with the highest level of a radioactive isotope -- 5,410 bequerels per kilogram -- found in the spilled water on the floor beside a spent fuel pool in the building housing the No. 1 reactor. Read more at link above
scandi
04-08-2011, 09:22 AM
re bold - no kidding hockeymom!! :banghead:
and again - would like to thank EVERYONE that has posted links and explainations - THANKS!! :seeya:
Niner, I hope you are feeling well and think about you often ;}
I also want to thank everyone for keeping us abreast here. It is so easy to get caught up in ongoing cases :innocent: and not keep up here.
Quiche
04-08-2011, 11:40 AM
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
...cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations...
and
The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities...
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/08/japans-elite-hiding-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants#ixzz1IwkdQ8I6
Really, Fox News? :waitasec:
Daisyjane
04-08-2011, 12:18 PM
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
...cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations...
and
The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities...
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/08/japans-elite-hiding-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants#ixzz1IwkdQ8I6
Really, Fox News? :waitasec:
I guess it's more comfortable to blame a crisis on some secret conspiracy than to admit that it was a random act of nature plus human errors:
Conspiracy=those foreign guys are up to something, way over there
Random act and human error=it could happen to anyone in their own back yard
not_my_kids
04-08-2011, 01:13 PM
The largest aftershock on April 7 hit Japan has killed 4 people, injured at least 166, and caused a power outage over 2.61 million households, according to Japan's police officials.
The four victims' age are 85, 83, 79 and 63. Two of them died from being frightened by the quake. One died from lack of oxygen because the medical oxygen respirator did not work after the power outage.
Read more: http://hken.ibtimes.com/articles/132294/20110408/japan-april-7-aftershock-nuclear-power-plant-kills-injures-and-unsettles-tsunami-alert.htm#ixzz1IuvX7Pze
‘The foreign secretary conveyed that the government of India had not yet taken a decision on banning Japanese food imports. India will consult Japan prior to taking a decision on the advisory issued by the Food Safety and Standards Authority of India,’ said a statement from the ministry of external affairs.
India’s health ministry had earlier issued an advisory to impose a fan on all food imports from Japan for a period of three months.
http://www.inewsone.com/2011/04/08/india-will-consult-japan-before-food-ban-decision/42080
buffetoflies
04-08-2011, 02:38 PM
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
...cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations...
and
The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities...
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/08/japans-elite-hiding-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants#ixzz1IwkdQ8I6
Really, Fox News? :waitasec:
Actually, I'd expect Fox to have the most accurate news about the Nuclear Situation as NBC,ABC, and CBS are all partially owned by the same company that owns TEPCO (Or Tepco owns part of them, can't remember) therefor those other stations would be more inclined to lead us astray then Fox.
Oh, and, technically the 9.0 was an aftershock of a couple 7 pointers that struck on the 9th of march.
hockeymom
04-08-2011, 03:28 PM
It might be posted on a Fox website,but the article looks to be written by a Japanese person.
Quiche
04-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Actually, I'd expect Fox to have the most accurate news about the Nuclear Situation as NBC,ABC, and CBS are all partially owned by the same company that owns TEPCO (Or Tepco owns part of them, can't remember) therefor those other stations would be more inclined to lead us astray then Fox.
Oh, and, technically the 9.0 was an aftershock of a couple 7 pointers that struck on the 9th of march.
The 7s were foreshocks... aftershocks are smaller than the main event.
Quote: A foreshock is an earthquake that occurs before a larger seismic event (the mainshock) and is related to it in both time and space. The designation of an earthquake as foreshock, mainshock or aftershock is only possible after the event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreshock
As far as Fox News-- I don't listen to them, at all, so.... I'm just seeing the LEAP as pretty large. jmo :cool:
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 04:32 PM
She also pointed out that the fuel pool in reactor No. 3 "is gone, according to recent photos. There is no fuel there. The reactor fuel pool in No. 3 is gone. Where did it go?"
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/20114812554680215.html
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 05:07 PM
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
Update
Quiche
04-08-2011, 05:28 PM
She also pointed out that the fuel pool in reactor No. 3 "is gone, according to recent photos. There is no fuel there. The reactor fuel pool in No. 3 is gone. Where did it go?"
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/20114812554680215.html
Really informative article-- thanks for posting, DFessel. :)
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Really informative article-- thanks for posting, DFessel. :)
Strange how much I trust Aljazerra now.
dsntslp
04-08-2011, 05:40 PM
I was thinking much the same regarding Al Jezzera Dr. Fessel. How quickly things change...
So, no fuel whatsoever in reactor 3? It can't just be lying around the plant, it would start fires because it is not being cooled right? IMO, that only leaves the nearby Ocean to be filled with fuel rods that have blown apart and will release plutonium (and more) as #3 was MOX fuel correct?
Process of elimination says the fuel is in the ocean. Thoughts?
Unless it is boiling itself down through the bottom of the reactor, but they would still have fuel in there and not word it that way...?
Quiche
04-08-2011, 05:42 PM
Man found stranded inside the evacuation zone near the Dai-ichi nuclear plant in Japan
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/08/6433410-man-found-stranded-inside-the-evacuation-zone-near-the-dai-ichi-nuclear-plant-in-japan
Quiche
04-08-2011, 05:45 PM
I was thinking much the same regarding Al Jezzera Dr. Fessel. How quickly things change...
So, no fuel whatsoever in reactor 3? It can't just be lying around the plant, it would start fires because it is not being cooled right? IMO, that only leaves the nearby Ocean to be filled with fuel rods that have blown apart and will release plutonium (and more) as #3 was MOX fuel correct?
Process of elimination says the fuel is in the ocean. Thoughts?
Another article had speculated about fuel strewn as far as two miles away... I imagine no one's gone hunting for the stuff. This is just soooo unreal. :mad:
Quiche
04-08-2011, 05:48 PM
Very small traces of radioactive iodine travel to Pakistan
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84167.html
These smallest amounts are a good test run for if/when the releases are much more. jmo
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 05:54 PM
I was thinking much the same regarding Al Jezzera Dr. Fessel. How quickly things change...
So, no fuel whatsoever in reactor 3? It can't just be lying around the plant, it would start fires because it is not being cooled right? IMO, that only leaves the nearby Ocean to be filled with fuel rods that have blown apart and will release plutonium (and more) as #3 was MOX fuel correct?
Process of elimination says the fuel is in the ocean.
I am not sure about her statement if it is true or not but it is an excellent point because nobody is talking about it, nobody is denying it or affirming it. It also shows just how much information we are not getting.
I blame all of this lack of information on the fact that so much of the world media is owned and operated by big multi-national companies and all of the regulatory agencies in the US and the world have been infiltrated and taken over by the businesses they oversee.
Why is Tepco allowed to do the testing of the ocean? Why isn't the US and IAEA doing their own testing? Why would they trust Tepco?
Here is a report by some people that seems to say the pool is still there but badly damaged.
http://bigdustup.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-daiichi-reactor-number-3-and.html
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 06:01 PM
All of this is just blowing me away. Not so much the worry about the radiation just the fact we have left the foxes guarding the hen house. I say let the freaking government shutdown for ever. I will watch the eagle cam and plant my garden.
Dr.Fessel
04-08-2011, 06:07 PM
Alot of smoke or steam in this picture. http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/tepco2110409070036cgi.jpg
dsntslp
04-08-2011, 06:27 PM
I played with the Tepco link a little and got this: http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/
Wish I knew japanese.
ETA: I am sure it does not give much info though... :(
Peliman
04-08-2011, 07:17 PM
It was reported over the last couple days that one of the hydrogen explosions blew some of the cooling pool rods into the grounds of the plant, they were bulldozed under dirt. I think it was from the mox fuel reactor.
Quiche
04-08-2011, 07:49 PM
Fukushima evacuees to move into closed upscale Tokyo hotel Sat.
Quote: The hotel has six types of rooms, including singles and suites, with prices ranging from 30,000 yen (about $350) to 150,000 yen when it was in business. The evacuees will stay for free.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84183.html
I hope they reconsider the hotel's fate in June-- seems like it will be in good use. This is awesome. :)
Quiche
04-08-2011, 08:04 PM
4 killed, 141 injured after 7.4 quake hits Miyagi Pref, vicinity
Quote: The four people who died during and after the aftershock included a 63-year-old woman in Obanazawa, Yamagata Prefecture, who apparently died when her medical ventilator lost power in a blackout that followed.
The three other dead include a 79-year-old man in Higashimatsushima and an 85-year-old man in Ishinomaki, both in Miyagi Prefecture. But the Miyagi prefectural government said that the deaths of the two who were hospitalized at Ishinomaki Red Cross Hospital and the earthquake are remotely related.
The remaining victim was a 74-year-old woman in Matsushima whose death was confirmed at a hospital Friday after she fell off the veranda of her home during a blackout after the quake.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/7-4-quake-jolts-miyagi-pref-vicinity-tsunami-warning-lifted
Quiche
04-08-2011, 08:09 PM
U.S. Navy 'sought N-plant water discharge details'
Quote: The U.S. Navy said it made the request over concern that its vessels, which have equipment to desalinate seawater for drinking and other daily needs, could take in radioactive water and damage the health of its sailors.
and
Regarding the release of radioactive water into the sea, the Japanese government notified its U.S. counterpart in advance.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110408004590.htm
Raising my eyebrows...
peeples
04-08-2011, 08:34 PM
Fukushima evacuees to move into closed upscale Tokyo hotel Sat.
Quote: The hotel has six types of rooms, including singles and suites, with prices ranging from 30,000 yen (about $350) to 150,000 yen when it was in business. The evacuees will stay for free.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84183.html
I hope they reconsider the hotel's fate in June-- seems like it will be in good use. This is awesome. :)
That is very nice... NO way I'd stay without my animals though. I'd make hubby go to the hotel with the kids.
Quiche
04-08-2011, 08:42 PM
That is very nice... NO way I'd stay without my animals though. I'd make hubby go to the hotel with the kids.
I think they should designate pet floors-- it's scheduled for demolition, what's the big deal? It would give so many comfort, and the furbabies too!
Quiche
04-08-2011, 08:55 PM
Japan’s wrecked nuclear plant remade in game Fallout 3
Quote: But professional and casual game developers have been using video games as a medium to pay homage to lives lost in disasters or as a tribute to individuals for about as long as they have been able to create custom modifications of popular games. The ruins are an addition — or mod — of the original game,...
http://venturebeat.com/2011/04/08/japan-fukushima-fallout-3-mod/
TACKY! This event is ongoing, people are suffering, men are putting their lives at risk, lives are in ruins, many are dead and unrecovered-- still! This is nowhere near resolved, homage my azz! mo
Niner
04-08-2011, 09:06 PM
Niner, I hope you are feeling well and think about you often ;}
I also want to thank everyone for keeping us abreast here. It is so easy to get caught up in ongoing cases :innocent: and not keep up here.
sorry guys - OT... :innocent:
Hey Scandi - I am fine now!! Found out I have a hyper thyroid, so all the 60 lbs I lost - hopefully WON'T come back!! LOL Am having "radiation gel" injected into my thyroid soon... I know I should wait and see what happens in Japan!! :fence: Take care Scandi!!
buffetoflies
04-08-2011, 09:18 PM
FWIW, the peeps over at ATS (dont hate!) are hypothesizing that the core of #3 has dropped down into the bedrock below. They came to that conclusion b/c of pics where it looks like there's a hole below where the reactor vessel should be.
BTW, I posted OneLove's meeting w/ the ex nuke guy over there but noone replied ( guy I was trying to lure with it was away...). I'd repost, but does it really matter? Whatever happens will happen and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
I'm so negative lately. I don't like this side of me.
OneLove
04-08-2011, 10:18 PM
OneLove sometimes deedlehead. What means ATS? I don't think it's Alcohol, tobacco, and Sugar. Educate me, someone? Especially since I seem to have travelled there ahead of myself, har.
Noddy
04-08-2011, 10:49 PM
Thought I'd put a picture up of the Grand Prince Hotel Aasaka from the Google Earth's street view. I hope they can begin to start a new life again.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/samaway/GrandPrinceHotelAkasaka.jpg
I can't find a url for it. It's one of their 360 city shots.
Quiche
04-08-2011, 10:51 PM
OneLove sometimes deedlehead. What means ATS? I don't think it's Alcohol, tobacco, and Sugar. Educate me, someone? Especially since I seem to have travelled there ahead of myself, har.
ATS= Above Top Secret, it's a conspiracy minded site. I've given it a gander now and then... :innocent:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
Quiche
04-08-2011, 10:53 PM
Thought I'd put a picture up of the Grand Prince Hotel Aasaka from the Google Earth's street view. I hope they can begin to start a new life again.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc40/samaway/GrandPrinceHotelAkasaka.jpg
I can't find a url for it. It's one of their 360 city shots.
Wow! That's going to be demolished? It looks fabulous... some privacy, hot showers, food, a moment to grieve. Bless whoever is behind this offer.
Daisyjane
04-09-2011, 10:00 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84275.html
Tidbits, and my questions/comments in bold:
Tokyo Electric Power Co. started Saturday to install enclosing materials in the sea to prevent a further spread of highly radioactive water that seeped from a crisis-hit nuclear power plant, while continuing other efforts to stabilize Japan's worst nuclear crisis.
TEPCO, as the company is known, enclosed a seawater intake for the No. 2 reactor at the six-reactor plant with seven steel sheets and a ''silt curtain,'' while planning similar curtains at other locations nearby, such as near the intakes for the Nos. 1, 3 and 4 reactors. Do you guys think this silt curtain will keep the radiation out of the sea?
The radioactive iodine reading was 63,000 times the legal limit in seawater near the intake a day after contaminated water stopped leaking into the sea.
Note that this little detail was nestled deep in the middle of the article. I've not seen this 63,000 times the limit figure before now.
Quiche
04-09-2011, 11:39 AM
WRAPUP 1-Japan's reactor operator apologises for radiation
"I would like to apologise from my heart over the worries...
We caused worry and trouble for having made this decision...
"We are quite sorry about the fact that the nuclear plants are causing those worries...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/09/japan-idUSLDE7380D520110409
Sounds like causing worry is a big no no in Japanese society. Myself, I'd apologize for destroying people's livelihoods, poisoning their food, doing irreparable damage to their fishing grounds-- I could go on.
Quiche
04-09-2011, 11:59 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84275.html
Tidbits, and my questions/comments in bold:
Tokyo Electric Power Co. started Saturday to install enclosing materials in the sea to prevent a further spread of highly radioactive water that seeped from a crisis-hit nuclear power plant, while continuing other efforts to stabilize Japan's worst nuclear crisis.
TEPCO, as the company is known, enclosed a seawater intake for the No. 2 reactor at the six-reactor plant with seven steel sheets and a ''silt curtain,'' while planning similar curtains at other locations nearby, such as near the intakes for the Nos. 1, 3 and 4 reactors. Do you guys think this silt curtain will keep the radiation out of the sea?
The radioactive iodine reading was 63,000 times the legal limit in seawater near the intake a day after contaminated water stopped leaking into the sea.
Note that this little detail was nestled deep in the middle of the article. I've not seen this 63,000 times the limit figure before now.
At first I thought this was about another issue, but you're absolutely right-- I don't know how well it will work, but even preventing a portion of it from going out to sea is worth it. Also, I'd like to point out that if the dilution in the ocean was so effective, they wouldn't be doing anything at all. So, in my eyes, they are doing big harm. Big.
Quiche
04-09-2011, 12:06 PM
Fukushima Endgame: Years, a Fortune Away
Will likely take decades to decommission nuke plant
Quote: The day when radiation stops spilling out of Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi is still unknown, but it'll be at least a decade and millions of dollars beyond that by the time the nuclear plant is decommissioned, reports the AP. That's the timeline from Toshiba,...
http://www.newser.com/story/116009/fukushima-endgame-years-a-fortune-away.html
Quiche
04-09-2011, 12:09 PM
Rice restricted amid radiation fear
Excerpt:
The ban will apply to any soil found to contain high levels of radioactive caesium, and farmers who cannot grow rice will be compensated. Rice grown in uncontaminated soil will be screened.
Yoshiyuki Ueda, a 47-year-old rice farmer from the town of Futaba, where the damaged nuclear plant is located, said he had already given up on trying to plant this year's crop because of radiation fears. "The ground is ruined," he said. "I think it will be a long time until things return to normal."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hEPXNf_FhZZhrzH12El5K0Fd9exg?docId=N04900713 02324423419A
Dark Knight
04-09-2011, 01:00 PM
Ancient tsunami warning stones found:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Warnings-stone/ss/events/wl/040611tsunamitablet
essies
04-09-2011, 01:19 PM
Rice restricted amid radiation fear
Excerpt:
The ban will apply to any soil found to contain high levels of radioactive caesium, and farmers who cannot grow rice will be compensated. Rice grown in uncontaminated soil will be screened.
Yoshiyuki Ueda, a 47-year-old rice farmer from the town of Futaba, where the damaged nuclear plant is located, said he had already given up on trying to plant this year's crop because of radiation fears. "The ground is ruined," he said. "I think it will be a long time until things return to normal."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hEPXNf_FhZZhrzH12El5K0Fd9exg?docId=N04900713 02324423419A
This is not a bad time to consider buying and stocking up on storable food. If not because of safety reasons then for economic reasons as this will undoubtably have a domino effect in the world's economy which was and is terrible even without the catastrophe in Japan!!:waitasec:
Let people call you crazy or an alarmist-they'll soon change their tune when the price of food and gas goes thru the roof and it's starting already!!:twocents:
buffetoflies
04-09-2011, 01:28 PM
OneLove sometimes deedlehead. What means ATS? I don't think it's Alcohol, tobacco, and Sugar. Educate me, someone? Especially since I seem to have travelled there ahead of myself, har.
:seeya: Hi!!!!!!!
Ha, I was going to post and ask you if that was alright with you, but then ... I didn't. But I debated for hours!
Anyways, it's on page 549 on the big 620+ page thread, and I did link to the thread with a mention of what # the posted were that you made.
Quiche
04-09-2011, 02:32 PM
Video shows tsunami crashing into Fukushima nuclear site
Quote: The video shows the giant wave generated by the historic March 11 earthquake crashing over the plant's seawall and engulfing the facility, with one sheet of spray rising higher than the buildings that house the plant's six reactors. Tokyo Electric Power, the plant's owner, told reporters the wall of water was likely 14 to 15 meters (45 to 48 feet) higher than normal sea levels -- easily overwhelming the plant's 5-meter seawall.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/09/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?eref=googletoolbar
Quiche
04-09-2011, 02:35 PM
US company seeks workers for Fukushima
Quote: Those who are willing and qualified have been promised above average pay for assisting with the nuclear crisis in Japan. In a time when jobs are scares in the US, the company said it has already received applications.
Bartlett Nuclear is expected to send around 10 people in the first group, with more to join at a later date. Each worker is expected to give at least one months worth of work.
and
Many Japanese workers already working at Fukushima feel they may die from the radiation they have been exposed to, possibly within weeks and it has been revealed that it could take over 100 years to ensure the fuel rods reach safe levels.
http://stephenbishop.amplify.com/2011/04/09/us-company-seeks-workers-for-fukushima/
Quiche
04-09-2011, 03:06 PM
Marine nuclear rescue team stands ready in Japan
Quote: The 145-member Chemical Biological Incident Response Force, based at a naval support facility in Indian Head, Maryland, near Washington D.C., flew to Japan on April 2 to offer its assistance to Japan, officials said.
and
"We're here to solve a complex problem if called upon," said mission commander Maj. Mike Johnson.
and
"When we show up, we can do everything from pulling people out of a rubble pile to decontaminating to medical assistance," Dumdie said. In the medical tent, "we can do everything short of open heart surgery."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110409/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake_us_military_3
Quiche
04-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Fukushima vegetables sell despite radiation scare
Quote: Tokyo residents flocked to buy vegetables from the Fukushima province as Japan signalled it was ready to ease some restrictions on produce from the area.
http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MyNOaWQ9MjM2ODc=
not_my_kids
04-09-2011, 03:24 PM
WASHINGTON (Kyodo) U.S. nuclear regulators may revise the evacuation advisory for Americans living within an 80-km radius of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant as radioactive substances in areas beyond 40 km of the stricken facility have subsided to levels that require no flight, officials said Friday.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110410a7.html
Well, at least that's good news.
Quiche
04-09-2011, 04:32 PM
WASHINGTON (Kyodo) U.S. nuclear regulators may revise the evacuation advisory for Americans living within an 80-km radius of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant as radioactive substances in areas beyond 40 km of the stricken facility have subsided to levels that require no flight, officials said Friday.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110410a7.html
Well, at least that's good news.
I think it's premature-- the entire facility is no where near under control. It could get very ugly too quickly to start moving in closer. jmo
Quiche
04-09-2011, 08:22 PM
Excessive radioactive cesium found in fish sampled off Fukushima
Quote: One of the four sample fish had a level of cesium of 570 becquerels per kilogram on Thursday about 1 kilometer off the city of Iwaki, and the other three measured 480 to 500 becquerels. The limit is 500 becquerels under the Food Sanitation Law.
and
Radioactive iodine measured 1,100 to 1,700 becquerels in the samples against the legal limit of 2,000 becquerels.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84289.html
Quiche
04-09-2011, 08:31 PM
Radiation Detected In Drinking Water In 13 More US Cities, Cesium-137 In Vermont Milk
Quote: Milk samples from Phoenix and Los Angeles contained iodine-131 at levels roughly equal to the maximum contaminant level permitted by EPA, the data shows.
and
A rainwater sample collected in Boise on March 27 contained 390 picocures per liter of iodine-131, plus 41 of cesium-134 and 36 of cesium-137. EPA released this result for the first time yesterday. Typically several days pass between sample collection and data release because of the time required to collect, transport and analyze the samples.
http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/
:mad:
Quiche
04-09-2011, 08:42 PM
Shuttered Tokyo hotel reopens for evacuees
With the hotel's closure, the grandeur has given way to more practical considerations. The front desk is dark and the sofas designed by Tange are gone from the lobby. Inside the elevator, makeshift labels pasted over the engraved plaques read "convenience store" and "cafeteria." A 15th-floor meeting room is now a playroom. Downstairs from the lobby and past a white piano, the banquet area has about 20 washer-dryer units.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-hotel-20110410,0,7647109.story?track=rss
This is a great set up, sure better than FEMA trailers. mo
Quiche
04-09-2011, 11:13 PM
Millions of yen turned in, Japanese police say
Quote: Police told Kyodo that citizens were turning in cash and valuables every day and that there was little hope in most cases of finding the original owners if the items were found without identification.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42514515/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
That's so impressive... also, take a look at that photo! How stunning.
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 01:25 AM
I am getting so sick of these articles from Japan that make no sense.
Radioactive water disposal delayed
Work to dispose of highly radioactive water at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is not proceeding smoothly as more time is needed for preparations.
Heavily contaminated water in turbine buildings and a concrete tunnel is hampering work to restore cooling functions in the troubled reactors. The total amount of water in question is estimated at more than 50,000 tons.
The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, plans to transfer the highly radioactive water to a nuclear waste processing facility and turbine condensers.
The utility firm is now working to lay hoses between the turbine buildings and the facility.
Holes have already been bored in the walls of the buildings, but work to install the hoses has yet to begin.
In addition, the waste disposal facility needs to be closely checked before the procedure can begin.
Meanwhile, the level of highly radioactive water filling the concrete tunnel of the No.2 reactor had reached 92 centimeters below the ground's surface as of Sunday morning. That is a rise of 12 centimeters since the leakage of the water into the sea was stopped on Wednesday.
Tokyo Electric plans to start moving the water in the tunnel into the reactor's condenser as early as Sunday.
Sunday, April 10, 2011 07:30 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/10_03.html
I haven't even watched the video yet. I am sure it will be more confusing.
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 01:32 AM
Govt to release radiation guidelines for schools
Japan's education ministry will release radiation exposure safety guidelines for school children in the coming week.
The ministry is drawing up the guidelines in response to a request from the Fukushima prefectural government, which hosts the disaster-stricken nuclear power plant.
Officials say the guidelines are based on data collected through radiation level surveys at schools and soil samples taken from schoolyards.
The guidelines will mandate that schools suspend classes, stop outdoor lessons, and ensure students wear face masks if radiation surpasses certain levels.
The education ministry says it will seek technical advice from the Nuclear Safety Commission before finalizing the guidelines.
The commission told reporters on Saturday that given the high radioactive readings registered in various locations, many schools in the affected areas would be asked to meet certain conditions before resuming lessons.
Sunday, April 10, 2011 06:52 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/10_05.html
Sorry kids, you are just going to have to learn to live with that radiation!!
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 02:17 AM
Here is a picture of the plant today:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/tepco-1.jpg
Here is one from yesterday:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/tepco2110409070036cgi-1.jpg
I would say all that steam or smoke is what is causing the delay in pumping that water out. They had an event.
Here are other pictures of events.
http://fukushima.wikispaces.com/TEPCO+webcam+pictures
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 02:19 AM
I was waiting yesterday for the last hour picture because I figured if it was a fire the glow would show up as it got dark. Funny they shut the camera off for the last two hours of daylight.
Quiche
04-10-2011, 10:19 AM
I am getting so sick of these articles from Japan that make no sense.
Radioactive water disposal delayed
Work to dispose of highly radioactive water at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is not proceeding smoothly as more time is needed for preparations.
Heavily contaminated water in turbine buildings and a concrete tunnel is hampering work to restore cooling functions in the troubled reactors. The total amount of water in question is estimated at more than 50,000 tons.
The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, plans to transfer the highly radioactive water to a nuclear waste processing facility and turbine condensers.
The utility firm is now working to lay hoses between the turbine buildings and the facility.
Holes have already been bored in the walls of the buildings, but work to install the hoses has yet to begin.
In addition, the waste disposal facility needs to be closely checked before the procedure can begin.
Meanwhile, the level of highly radioactive water filling the concrete tunnel of the No.2 reactor had reached 92 centimeters below the ground's surface as of Sunday morning. That is a rise of 12 centimeters since the leakage of the water into the sea was stopped on Wednesday.
Tokyo Electric plans to start moving the water in the tunnel into the reactor's condenser as early as Sunday.
Sunday, April 10, 2011 07:30 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/10_03.html
I haven't even watched the video yet. I am sure it will be more confusing.
This is a problem right here-- they only have storage (where they dumped less radioactive water into the ocean) for 11,000 tons. And not to overlook that this water in the tunnels was 10 million times normal. Wonder what it is now, other than waaaaay to much.
What I find astounding, is they waste so much time and resources on something that will only work for a few hours. They plugged up the leak, but had no idea what to do with the water when it doesn't leak! I know that very dirty water, deadly water, will eventually end up in the ocean. Now it will be much more contaminated when it gets there. jmo
Quiche
04-10-2011, 10:41 AM
Improvisation, frustration mark Japan's nuclear crisis at 4 weeks
Quote: Satoshi Sato, a Japanese nuclear industry consultant, called the current line of attack a "waste of effort." Plant instruments are likely damaged and unreliable because of the intense heat that was generated, and pumping more water into the reactors is only making the contamination problem worse, he said.
"There is no happy end with their approach," Sato told CNN. "They must change the approach. That's something I'm sure of 100 percent."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/08/japan.nuclear.crisis/
Here's a little that backs up the way I'm feeling...
Quiche
04-10-2011, 11:14 AM
Highly radioactive water in nuke plant set to be moved for storage
Quote: Transferring the water, totaling some 60,000 tons, to nearby tanks and other storage places is seen as vital to move ahead with the work to restore the key cooling functions for reactors damaged after the March 11 quake and tsunami.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84384.html
Are they going to move some of this water off site? If so, I hope they keep it in the exclusion zone that already exists. Better than the ocean, then.
Daisyjane
04-10-2011, 01:15 PM
It has taken 11 days for this little gem to leak out:
http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/10/epa-new-radiation-highs-in-little-rock-milk-philadelphia-drinking-water/
Milk from Little Rock and drinking water from Philadelphia contained the highest levels of Iodine-131 from Japan yet detected by the Environmental Protection Agency, according to data released by EPA Saturday.
The Philadelphia sample is below the EPA’s maximum contaminant level (MCL) for iodine-131, but the Little Rock sample is almost three times higher.Nonetheless, the EPA does not consider the milk dangerous because the MCL is set for long-term exposure, and the iodine-131 from Japan’s Fukushima-Daichi nuclear accident is expected to be temporary and deteriorate rapidly.
The EPA’s MCL for iodine-131 is 3 picoCuries per liter.
The Little Rock milk sample contained 8.9 picoCuries per liter. It was collected on March 30.
Quiche
04-10-2011, 01:20 PM
That makes me swoon with anger! I am appalled that our government is working against us. :mad:
To what purpose?! To help the milk industry????? I'll bet.
hockeymom
04-10-2011, 02:11 PM
That makes me swoon with anger! I am appalled that our government is working against us. :mad:
To what purpose?! To help the milk industry????? I'll bet.
"Don't panic. Not harmful to human health,blah,blah,blah," :maddening:
Usually there is something to do with $$$$
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 02:43 PM
TEPCO uses unmanned equipment to remove rubble
Tokyo Electric Power Company has bugun using unmanned heavy equipment to remove radioactive rubble at the tsunami-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
Hydrogen explosions blew off the ceilings and walls of the Number One and Number Three reactor buildings. The debris is emitting hundreds of millisieverts of radiation per hour in some places, hindering the restoration work.
The utility started using remote-controlled power shovels and bulldozers to remove the rubble on Sunday afternoon.
Operators are using cameras attached to the equipment as well as 6 fixed cameras at the site to carry out the work from hundreds of meters away.
A lead-covered mobile operating room will be used to remove debris from places that cannot be reached by radio waves.
TEPCO says the rubble will be put into containers and stored at the plant under strict supervision, as it may be contaminated with high levels of radiation.
Sunday, April 10, 2011 18:40 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/10_21.html
I say if you are spraying radiation all over the world and you have 6 cameras running at the site then you have to broadcast that live video to the world so we know what you are doing to fix it.
Quiche
04-10-2011, 02:46 PM
Japan fails to stop radioactive discharge into ocean
(Reuters) - Japanese nuclear power plant operator TEPCO expects to stop pumping radioactive water into the ocean on Monday, days later than planned...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/10/us-japan-idUSTRE72A0SS20110410
Quiche
04-10-2011, 02:56 PM
Japan atomic plant worker in hospital
Quote: "He was transferred to a hospital. The cause of his sickness is not yet known."
The spokesman said the worker, who has not been identified, was one of 30 who had been laying a water exhaust hose outside the turbine building at reactor No. 2.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan+atomic+plant+worker+hospital/4591057/story.html#ixzz1J9F1pDLe
Oh gee, let me think-- he was working at one of the most contaminated spots mentioned? :waitasec:
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 02:57 PM
Japan fails to stop radioactive discharge into ocean
(Reuters) - Japanese nuclear power plant operator TEPCO expects to stop pumping radioactive water into the ocean on Monday, days later than planned...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/10/us-japan-idUSTRE72A0SS20110410
Quiche as far as I know this i statement in the article is wrong. It is fresh water they are taking out of reactors that are shutdown that they are discharging. But like it all, what do you believe?
The nuclear plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), has been pumping sea water into the reactors to cool the nuclear core, and then discharging the water, after it has become contaminated, back into the Pacific Ocean.
Quiche
04-10-2011, 03:14 PM
Quiche as far as I know this i statement in the article is wrong. It is fresh water they are taking out of reactors that are shutdown that they are discharging. But like it all, what do you believe?
The nuclear plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), has been pumping sea water into the reactors to cool the nuclear core, and then discharging the water, after it has become contaminated, back into the Pacific Ocean.
They pumped seawater for weeks, and last week or so started with the fresh. I don't know why they would differentiate, it's all poison now!
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 03:25 PM
They pumped seawater for weeks, and last week or so started with the fresh. I don't know why they would differentiate, it's all poison now!
The fresh water they are intentionally dumping in the sea is from 2 reactors that never had any problem and were shut down quick and cooled right. They are going to then pump the highly radioactive water from the tunnels into those reactors they just emptied to store it.
drip~drop
04-10-2011, 03:37 PM
I don't believe a word tepco says. :snooty:
MOO IMO etc....:maddening:
Dr.Fessel
04-10-2011, 03:40 PM
I found this technical drawing that explains it.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/fesseldrawing.jpg
drip~drop
04-10-2011, 04:08 PM
I found this technical drawing that explains it.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/fesseldrawing.jpg
It's a;ready hit Boise.
Maybe the Mayans weren't so far off base afterall.
moo
peeples
04-10-2011, 06:41 PM
NBC nightly news just showed a 5,000 person demonstration in front of tepco.
Daisyjane
04-10-2011, 07:21 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/08/japan.nuclear.crisis/
Tidbits:
… A month into the crisis, the utility acknowledges, there is no end in sight. …Some Japanese experts now say the effort is in danger of failing unless Japan seeks more help from international experts to bring it to an end.
Tetsunari Iida, an engineer-turned-industry critic, said the situation is “beyond the reach” of Japan’s closely knit nuclear establishment.
…Experts say the overheated fuel rods are likely to have suffered extensive damage, and there is a complication for seemingly every advance.
…Tokyo Electric officials told CNN they can’t say when they’ll be able to restore those normal cooling.
The problems are so far "beyond the design capacity" of the plant that the Japanese are working in uncharted territory, said Michael Friedlander, a former senior operator at U.S. nuclear power plants.
…Satoshi Sato, a Japanese nuclear industry consultant, called the current line of attack a “waste of effort.” Plant instruments are likely damaged and unreliable because of the intense heat that was generated, and pumping more water into the reactors is only making the contamination problem worse, he said. “There is no happy end with their approach,” Sato told CNN. “They must change the approach. That’s something I’m sure of 100 percent.”
mister happy
04-10-2011, 09:08 PM
^^ Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.
peeples
04-10-2011, 09:36 PM
We were talking about the hotel being wonderful for the refugees/evacuees and how much better it sounded than fema trailers and then I read this article.. THESE sound like FEMA trailers albeit better than living in a shelter
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=14416549
peeples
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
drones peer into reactors
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T2
The T-Hawk drone, built by the U.S. company Honeywell, can transmit ordinary pictures as well as infrared images, Matsumoto told reporters. Images captured by the drone are expected to be released Monday, he said.
Quiche
04-10-2011, 10:23 PM
Japan set to extend nuclear evacuation zone
(Reuters) - Japan plans to extend the evacuation zone around its crippled nuclear plant because of high radiation levels, local media reported on Monday, with engineers no closer to regaining control of six reactors hit by a giant tsunami one month ago.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/11/us-japan-idUSTRE72A0SS20110411?WT.tsrc=Social%20Media&WT.z_smid=twtr-reuters_%20com&WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter
This is an updated version of an article I posted earlier today.
dsntslp
04-11-2011, 03:13 AM
I'll say it again, like I said in the very beginning of this...
"You are a victim of your press."
IOW, think for yourselves.
Peace and prayers + hugs,
dsn
sirensong
04-11-2011, 04:02 AM
Another blast:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_26.html
Peliman
04-11-2011, 07:13 AM
Thanks sirensong, I'd been wondering.
Good eyes Dr. Fessel, you called it, an event had occurred and now a second one.
Hydrogen explosions eh? I thought the nitrogen injections were supposed to reduce the Hydrogen, they must have been venting hydrogen again. I can't help but think hand held radio's must be the spark igniting the hydrogen. I'll have to look up the flash point in hydrogen. It's almost too late now, about all the containments are BOOM already. The only thing left in probably 4 reactors is the containment vessel itself and I question the concrete surrounding the containment surrounding the core vessels.
An aftershock of 7.1 is being reported in the news this morning but it was downgraded to a 6.6. Double check my numbers please.
150 tons of water = 35, 928 Gallons.
About 5 tanker trucks per 150,000 gallons
Not impossible but where to store it? I'm trying to remember how much the storage tanks hold at fuel farms. I know the fuel would be shipped to the fuel farms by barge. Ack, water water everywhere.
The question remains, what to do with contaminated radioactive water?
The only thing I can think of to gather the water without pumping it into the ocean is filling a convoy of tractor trailer tankers and disposing the contents into an empty gas storage tank somewhere. I can only think in gallons so tankers hold 8,000 gallons. A gallon weighs 8.35 pounds.
Quiche, outstanding updates...thanks to everyone.
Peliman
04-11-2011, 07:36 AM
Some dairy farms in Fukushima resume milk shipment
Some dairy farms in Fukushima Prefecture have resumed shipping milk after radiation levels in the milk cleared the government's safety standards.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/11_18.html
essies
04-11-2011, 07:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN7RZteq6XY
Arnold "Arnie" Gundersen is chief engineer of energy consulting company Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power industry executive, and who has questioned the safety of the Westinghouse AP1000, a proposed third-generation nuclear reactor. Gundersen has also expressed concerns about the operation of the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant. He served as an expert witness in the investigation of the Three Mile Island accident.
~source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Gundersen
http://fairewinds.com/
peeples
04-11-2011, 09:27 AM
another earthquake a 7.1
tehcloser
04-11-2011, 09:29 AM
I get up to check on our friends from Iowa, and I find that there was another 7.1 and the nuke plant had stopped work for a time. Goodness! Then I find out a tornado ripped through where some of our family lives and we can't get in touch with them, hopefully it's due to the power outage. I'm not liking the way the week is starting out.........
Japan on Monday widened the evacuation zone around a stricken nuclear plant exactly a month on from a huge natural disaster as another 7.1 magnitude quake and tsunami alert strained nerves anew.
A woman offers a silent prayer for the dead in Kesennuma, Miyagi Prefecture after a month after the tsunami devastation. Japan fell silent at 2:46 pm to mark exactly one month since a massive earthquake hit, spawning a devastating tsunami. AFP PHOTO / KAZUHIRO NOGI
The latest aftershock caused buildings to sway in the capital Tokyo, shortly after the nation had observed a minute's silence to remember the 13,000 people killed in the March 11 disaster and the 15,000 who officially remain missing.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/231483/new-7-1-quake-hits-japan-as-evacuation-zone-widens
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 10:35 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84566.html
TOKYO, April 11, Kyodo
Tokyo Electric Power Co. President Masataka Shimizu visited the Fukushima prefectural government office Monday afternoon to apologize for the nuclear disaster at its Fukushima Daiichi power plant, but Gov. Yuhei Sato has declined to meet him, according to officials from the utility and the prefectural government. ''What (the president) should prioritize now is to settle the nuclear plant's trouble, and he should do his utmost to do so,'' a local government official quoted the governor as saying and conveyed the message to the utility firm known as TEPCO. More at link
Quiche
04-11-2011, 11:49 AM
Three strong aftershocks jolt Japanese quake zone
The new temblors in northeastern Japan strike within a span of 10 minutes with magnitudes of 7.1, 6.0 and 5.6. They come as the government announces plans to expand the evacuation area near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-earthquake-20110412,0,2410014.story
Dang!!
hockeymom
04-11-2011, 11:57 AM
Three strong aftershocks jolt Japanese quake zone
The new temblors in northeastern Japan strike within a span of 10 minutes with magnitudes of 7.1, 6.0 and 5.6. They come as the government announces plans to expand the evacuation area near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-earthquake-20110412,0,2410014.story
Dang!!
Just unbelievable. Their nerves must be shot!
Quiche
04-11-2011, 12:01 PM
Another blast:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_26.html
I've been looking around for information on this, and come to find the date at the bottom of the article is March 14th! Thankfully, there has not been another blast!
Quiche
04-11-2011, 12:06 PM
Long-term health risk may widen evac zone
Quote: The government will expand the evacuation zone around the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant because concerns are rising about the cumulative, long-term risk of radiation exposure,...
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110411x3.html
I feel terribly for these people losing their homes, but I am relieved the government it becoming a tad more truthful. Folks need to go, and not turn back. :(
momtective
04-11-2011, 12:12 PM
Discussion on the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant accident
"A forum for discussion, analysis and data referencing regarding the tragic events unfolding at Fukishima Daichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. Hosted by a group of UC Berkeley educated nuclear engineering alumni and students. Anyone is welcome to join."
Search facebook "daiichi nuclear power plant" to join group
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I am friends on facebook with a person who lives in that immediate area. He posted a few minutes ago "Another earthquake very close to those reactors. Off-site power is now back (only 50min blackout)"
peeples
04-11-2011, 12:29 PM
cool, thanks :)
Quiche
04-11-2011, 12:31 PM
Debris, challenges pile up in Japan 1 month later
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Debris-challenges-pile-up-in-Japan-1-month-later-1331227.php#ixzz1JEUtOPhz
The slide show is amazing-- how on earth are they going to get that cleaned up? Years of work, and an unfathomable amount of garbage.
Quiche
04-11-2011, 12:33 PM
NEWS ADVISORY: Japan eyes raising level of nuke crisis to most severe
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/
Article isn't up yet, but I'm astounded they're going there at this point. So they are essentially admitting this is as bad as Chernobyl already.
Dr.Fessel
04-11-2011, 12:38 PM
Discussion on the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant accident
"A forum for discussion, analysis and data referencing regarding the tragic events unfolding at Fukishima Daichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. Hosted by a group of UC Berkeley educated nuclear engineering alumni and students. Anyone is welcome to join."
Search facebook "daiichi nuclear power plant" to join group
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am friends on facebook with a person who lives in that immediate area. He posted a few minutes ago "Another earthquake very close to those reactors. Off-site power is now back (only 50min blackout)"
I believe this link should work. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_177355305643452
Dr.Fessel
04-11-2011, 12:56 PM
Brave or crazy I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8&feature=player_embedded
Quiche
04-11-2011, 02:05 PM
Crazy!
sirensong
04-11-2011, 02:08 PM
I've been looking around for information on this, and come to find the date at thec bottom of the article is March 14th! Thankfully, there has not been another blast!
OMG, I am so sorry! Thanks for catching that, I believed it happened today. I am trying to touch thanks on everyone's comment, but want to say I really appreciate everyone's contribution! It was so hard to get info, still is.
dsntslp
04-11-2011, 02:17 PM
The article is up now.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84721.html
Quiche
04-11-2011, 02:19 PM
OMG, I am so sorry! Thanks for catching that, I believed it happened today. I am trying to touch thanks on everyone's comment, but want to say I really appreciate everyone's contribution! It was so hard to get info, still is.
No prob, it very well could have happened again! Hopefully the nitrogen will prevent another hydrogen explosion. :seeya:
coastal
04-11-2011, 03:45 PM
Baja California had a 3.8 magnitude EQ last night at 9:00.
OT: How about a little good news for a change? I 'helped' rescue a sick sea lion this morning! All I did was keep watch until Sea World was able to come and get her, but it still felt pretty good to do some good somewhere. She wasn't moving at all, and I was afraid she was injured, but the guy from Sea World said she had probably eaten fish contaminated with a naturally occurring neurotoxin that comes from alga blooms that are common here during warm weather, which had temporarily paralyzed her, and "messed with her brain". They'll give her some fluids and some steroids and let her rest a few days, and she'll (most likely) be fine, and then they'll release her right back where we found her. And, she's probably pregnant!
So. It's a good day.
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/s050.gif
essies
04-11-2011, 03:57 PM
Japan may raise nuke accident severity level to highest 7 from 5
TOKYO,
April 12, Kyodo
snip-
The Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan released a preliminary calculation Monday saying that the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant had been releasing up to 10,000 terabecquerels of radioactive materials per hour at some point after a massive quake and tsunami hit northeastern Japan on March 11.
The disclosure prompted the government to consider raising the accident's severity level to 7, the worst on an international scale, from the current 5, government sources said. The level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale has only been applied to the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe.
The current provisional evaluation of 5 is at the same level as the Three Mile Island accident in the United States in 1979.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84721.html
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 04:08 PM
Not the greatest translation, but here it is:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20110412/t10015249911000.html
For a series of accidents happening at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of the Ministry of Economy, which released large amounts of radioactive substances that affect human health and the environment in a wide range As an assessment based on international standards of the accident, the worst "level seven" decided to raise. "Level 7" is the same as the evaluation occurred in the Soviet Chernobyl disaster. Nuclear Safety Agency, 12, held a press conference with the Nuclear Safety Commission has decided to publish the contents of the evaluation.
sirensong
04-11-2011, 05:21 PM
I don't know how much more the Japanese people can take. They had 3 pretty big earthquakes in a short time today, along with all the others that look to continue mercilessly. Take a look at the list:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php
Quiche
04-11-2011, 05:57 PM
Extremely Graphic photos, and the last two compare 1945 Hiroshima damage to the tsunami.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375877/Japan-nuclear-disaster-Pictures-tsunami-ravaged-Fukushima.html
(warning: dead body)
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 06:01 PM
Might be worth your while to review the whole article for its health warnings; lots of data in there, but here are tidbits:
http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/radiation-risks-fukushima-longer-negligible-news-503947
The risks associated with iodine-131 contamination in Europe are no longer "negligible," according to CRIIRAD, a French research body on radioactivity.
The NGO is advising pregnant women and infants against "risky behaviour," such as consuming fresh milk or vegetables with large leaves.
BACKGROUND
After the radioactive cloud emanating from Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant reached Europe in late March, CRIIRAD, a French research body on radioactivity, an NGO, said it had detected radioactive iodine-131 in rainwater in south-eastern France. In parallel testing, the French Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN), the national public institution monitoring nuclear and radiological risks, found iodine 131 in milk. In normal times, no trace of iodine-131 should be detectable in rainwater or milk.
In response to thousands of inquiries from citizens concerned about fallout from the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Europe, CRIIRAD has compiled an information package on the risks of radioactive iodine-131 contamination in Europe. The document, published on 7 April, advises against consuming rainwater and says vulnerable groups such as children and pregnant or breastfeeding women should avoid consuming vegetables with large leaves, fresh milk and creamy cheese.
Data for the west coast of the United States, which received the Fukushima radioactive fallout 6-10 days before France, reveals that levels of radioactive iodine-131 concentration are 8-10 times higher there, the institute says.
Quiche
04-11-2011, 06:10 PM
I'm just shaking my head, it's all so insane! I worry for every young family in the Northern Hemisphere. :(
lkhns
04-11-2011, 07:03 PM
Hi All, I lurk on here quite a bit but don't often post since I feel like I don't usually have much to say that benefits us all. :-)
Japan has upgraded the nuclear disaster to worst level possible---Level 7. Personally, I think it is way beyond that.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html
lkhns
04-11-2011, 07:06 PM
From the article I linked above ^^^^ "The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency made the decision on Monday. It says the damaged facilities have been releasing a massive amount of radioactive substances, which are posing a threat to human health and the environment over a wide area." and also "The agency believes the cumulative amount from the Fukushima plant is less than that from Chernobyl."
Unbelievable.
Quiche
04-11-2011, 07:10 PM
Hi All, I lurk on here quite a bit but don't often post since I feel like I don't usually have much to say that benefits us all. :-)
Japan has upgraded the nuclear disaster to worst level possible---Level 7. Personally, I think it is way beyond that.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_05.html
Yes, when all is said and done, this disaster will push the scale to new levels. I wish they'd tell us when a spike is going to hit our specific regions-- there are things we can do. jmo :cool:
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 07:35 PM
8 mile depth is quite shallow
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0002nzx.php
6.4 Date-Time Monday, April 11, 2011 at 23:08:16 UTC
Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 08:08:16 AM at epicenter
Location 35.406°N, 140.542°E
Depth 13.1 km (8.1 miles)
Region NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances 77 km (48 miles) ESE (112°) from TOKYO, Japan
107 km (66 miles) S (177°) from Mito, Honshu, Japan
173 km (107 miles) SE (129°) from Maebashi, Honshu, Japan
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 07:41 PM
http://twitter.com/reutersflash
Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant operator says fighting fire at No.4 reactor in the Daiichi complexhalf a minute ago via web
lkhns
04-11-2011, 07:55 PM
Geez, these poor people---there has been A LOT of rocking and rolling over there today. 7.1 earlier, now this 6.4 and then a 6.1 a bit ago. I do not care what anyone says---all of that has got to take a toll on damaged buildings/reactors. I think this is a steady deterioration that for some reason our news agencies are NOT talking about---and I don't understand that. I really don't. I mean---we are talking the worst nuclear catastrophe in HISTORY and the upgrade to Level 7 isn't even mentioned on the CBS Evening news???? WTF?????
Seriously, can anyone tell me why this silence???
Quiche
04-11-2011, 07:55 PM
I 'm hearing that it's in the battery storage building... I search for a link.
Here's a kind of update page-- http://www.breakingnews.com/seed/ahBicmVha2luZ25ld3Mtd3d3cg0LEgRTZWVkGI-B_AIM/2011/04/11/more-on-fukushima-fire-plant-operator-says-flames-smoke-no-longer-visible-reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/11/idUSL3E7FB1YD20110411
Daisyjane
04-11-2011, 08:11 PM
Geez, these poor people---there has been A LOT of rocking and rolling over there today. 7.1 earlier, now this 6.4 and then a 6.1 a bit ago. I do not care what anyone says---all of that has got to take a toll on damaged buildings/reactors. I think this is a steady deterioration that for some reason our news agencies are NOT talking about---and I don't understand that. I really don't. I mean---we are talking the worst nuclear catastrophe in HISTORY and the upgrade to Level 7 isn't even mentioned on the CBS Evening news???? WTF?????
Seriously, can anyone tell me why this silence???
My guess would be they fear that if we had the full info, it could cause panic, and that would in turn topple our already fragile economy.
lkhns
04-11-2011, 08:28 PM
My guess would be they fear that if we had the full info, it could cause panic, and that would in turn topple our already fragile economy.
Yes, totally agree with this. But then you have to ask the obvious question---they are putting economic concerns ahead of human safety/protection? And again, the answer (to me, anyways) is a resounding yes. How sad. Our leaders are more concerned with protecting their wallets than their citizens. :banghead:
RLynne
04-11-2011, 08:50 PM
Extremely Graphic photos, and the last two compare 1945 Hiroshima damage to the tsunami.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375877/Japan-nuclear-disaster-Pictures-tsunami-ravaged-Fukushima.html
(warning: dead body)
I really, really wish I had listened to your warning, because I am seriously bawling right now. This may sound callous, but it's always the pictures/stories of the pets that get left behind that hit me really hard (I think because it's a more accessible tragedy than taking in all the human casualties--my heart just can't take that in, or I'd really lose it). I feel so, so bad for everyone in Japan right now. I hate this, I really do.
sirensong
04-11-2011, 10:07 PM
Yes, when all is said and done, this disaster will push the scale to new levels. I wish they'd tell us when a spike is going to hit our specific regions-- there are things we can do. jmo :cool:
I am so mad I haven't heard ANYTHING helpful from our government. I live in Northern Ca., and my daughter is asking me what she should do. Her 13 mo old drinks alot of milk, she's worried about her 4 year old. I have 14 grandchildren and I do not have any idea what to tell them as far as protecting their children! And I know that if we are told what to do, it will be at least 4 weeks too late.!!
jjenny
04-11-2011, 11:30 PM
Geez, these poor people---there has been A LOT of rocking and rolling over there today. 7.1 earlier, now this 6.4 and then a 6.1 a bit ago. I do not care what anyone says---all of that has got to take a toll on damaged buildings/reactors. I think this is a steady deterioration that for some reason our news agencies are NOT talking about---and I don't understand that. I really don't. I mean---we are talking the worst nuclear catastrophe in HISTORY and the upgrade to Level 7 isn't even mentioned on the CBS Evening news???? WTF?????
Seriously, can anyone tell me why this silence???
Probably for the very same reason Soviet Union did not announce anything about Chernobyl until radiation started showing up in Europe and it had no choice but to admit it.
peeples
04-11-2011, 11:45 PM
i shouldn't have looked.. those animals killed me.. maybe because they are still alive.. they can be rescued.. why aren't they.. why can't someone turn that horse loose so he can at least get to some water and graze??? What about the cat, break the window let her out.. give her a chance :( :( I'm gonna have nightmares :(
hollyblue
04-12-2011, 07:26 AM
Breaking News: Fire in Fukushima #3 Turbine building April 12, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNG5uG3prpo
JamaicanMeFrooti
04-12-2011, 08:10 AM
I am so mad I haven't heard ANYTHING helpful from our government. I live in Northern Ca., and my daughter is asking me what she should do. Her 13 mo old drinks alot of milk, she's worried about her 4 year old. I have 14 grandchildren and I do not have any idea what to tell them as far as protecting their children! And I know that if we are told what to do, it will be at least 4 weeks too late.!!
Hello, I just happened upon your post while looking for something else but wanted to add my suggestion that I have suggested for my g-kids for now.... Mix and have them drink powdered milk. When kept very cold most adults don't notice the difference and children do not. Just a suggestion....
Linda7NJ
04-12-2011, 08:37 AM
Geez, these poor people---there has been A LOT of rocking and rolling over there today. 7.1 earlier, now this 6.4 and then a 6.1 a bit ago. I do not care what anyone says---all of that has got to take a toll on damaged buildings/reactors. I think this is a steady deterioration that for some reason our news agencies are NOT talking about---and I don't understand that. I really don't. I mean---we are talking the worst nuclear catastrophe in HISTORY and the upgrade to Level 7 isn't even mentioned on the CBS Evening news???? WTF?????
Seriously, can anyone tell me why this silence???
IMO Because it's bad, REALLY bad. It was forseeable and too much reporting may get people actually thinking and questioning the safety and use here. It was always all about making money.
I've lived my whole life terrified of the possible consequences of nuclear energy and can't understand how anyone that lived through Three Mile Island and Chernobyl isn't.
Just wait and watch the denials when cancer rates skyrocket.
essies
04-12-2011, 09:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZ6rHsa4Xk
LEVEL 7-Worse than Chernobyl! BUT- don't get too upset folks. The government says it's only 1/10 the amount of radiarion that was released at Chernobyl. So, what factors make it worse or the same level if not the amount of radiation?:maddening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rE73bUVCA
Mr. Nishiyama stressed that unlike at Chernobyl, where the reactor itself exploded and fire fanned the release of radioactive material, the containments at the four troubled reactors at Fukushima remained intact over all.
But at a separate news conference, an official from Tokyo Electric said, "The radiation leak has not stopped completely and our concern is that it could eventually exceed Chernobyl."
The accident at Chernobyl involved a burning graphite reactor that pushed radioactive particles high into the atmosphere and downwind across Europe. The Japanese accident has mostly produced radioactive liquid runoff into the Pacific Ocean and low-altitude radioactive particles that have tended to blow out into the ocean and quickly fall into the water.
On the International Nuclear Event Scale, a Level 7 nuclear accident involves "widespread health and environmental effects" and the "external release of a significant fraction of the reactor core inventory." The scale, which was developed by the International Atomic Energy Agency and countries that use nuclear energy, leaves it to the nuclear agency of the country where the accident occurs to calculate a rating based on complicated criteria.
Japan's previous rating of 5 placed the Fukushima accident at the same level as the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979. Level 7 has been applied only to the disaster at Chernobyl, in the former Soviet Union.
"This is an admission by the Japanese government that the amount of radiation released into the environment has reached a new order of magnitude," said Tetsuo Iguchi, a professor in the department of quantum engineering at Nagoya University. "The fact that we have now confirmed the world's second-ever level 7 accident will have huge consequences for the global nuclear industry. It shows that current safety standards are woefully inadequate
hollyblue
04-12-2011, 09:21 AM
IMO Because it's bad, REALLY bad. It was forseeable and too much reporting may get people actually thinking and questioning the safety and use here. It was always all about making money.
I've lived my whole life terrified of the possible consequences of nuclear energy and can't understand how anyone that lived through Three Mile Island and Chernobyl isn't.
Just wait and watch the denials when cancer rates skyrocket.
Media has curtailed their reporting on this way back. You notice not one is having any nuclear scientists or nuclear engineers on and asking their opinions. They were in the beginning....when things weren't as bad as they are now.
ThoughtFox
04-12-2011, 10:15 AM
I watched this video yesterday showing two journalists travelling towards the Nuclear Plant with a geiger counter and radiation detector. It's chilling and shows some of the problems any journalst would encounter trying to cover this story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8
Peliman
04-12-2011, 10:21 AM
Media has curtailed their reporting on this way back. You notice not one is having any nuclear scientists or nuclear engineers on and asking their opinions. They were in the beginning....when things weren't as bad as they are now.
Agreed, we're not getting very good if any guidance from the government on how to procede or radiation monitoring although I'm sure it's being monitored.
This made me roam to the FDA site this morning and I did find some statements. So I'm posting a few quotes and links for people to peruse and comment on if they like.
All milk and milk products and vegetables and fruits produced or manufactured from the four Japanese prefectures of Fukushima, Ibaraki, Tochigi and Gunma will be detained upon entry into the United States. They will not be allowed to enter the U.S. food supply, unless shown to be free from radionuclide contamination, with the exception of the specific products restricted by the Government of Japan. Those products will be refused admission into the US.
Other food products from this area, including seafood, although not subject to the Import Alert, will be diverted for testing by FDA before they can enter the food supply. FDA will also be monitoring and testing food products, including seafood, from other areas of Japan as appropriate.
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm247403.htm
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What specific tests is FDA using?
FDA has procedures and laboratory techniques for measuring radionuclide levels in food, and can also utilize the Food Emergency Response Network (FERN)4. FERN integrates the nation's food-testing laboratories at the local, state, and federal levels into a network that is able to respond to emergencies involving biological, chemical, or radiological contamination of food. FDA is working with Customs and Border Protection (CPB) to share resources and techniques for measuring contamination. FDA has the ability to measure contamination in products and issued guidance in 1998 regarding safe levels.
Not sure what it's worth but FERN is United in Protecting & Defending the Food Supply.
FERN foodshield network (https://www.foodshield.org/)
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Topics include
What is FDA doing to ensure the safety of products imported from Japan?
What specific tests is FDA using?
FDA's methodology used in radionuclide analysis
What are the standards for radionuclides in foods?
What is FDA doing to assess the situation in Japan?
What systems does FDA have in place to protect the U.S. food supply?
Is FDA looking at products that might have traveled through Japan at the time of the explosion?
How will the radiation affect fish and seafood that have not yet been fished or harvested?
Are there dairy products that come from Japan?
What are the chances of radiation affecting growing areas in the US? What action will FDA take to ensure the safety of consumers of those products?
What will FDA do if grass or feed crop in the US does become contaminated in the U.S.
__________________________________
Potassium Iodide addressed
Questions about Medical Products
Hypothetically, if they were needed, what are the FDA-approved products for treatment of internal contamination with radioactive iodine?
There are three FDA-approved potassium iodide (KI) products for use as an adjunct to other public health protective measures in the event that radioactive iodine is released into the environment. The three over-the-counter products are:
Iosat Tablets (130 mg), Anbex, Inc., Williamsburg, Va., http://www.anbex.com9
ThyroSafe Tablets (65 mg), Recipharm AB, Jordbro, Sweden, http://www.thyrosafe.com11
ThyroShield Solution (65 mg/mL), Fleming & Company Pharmaceuticals, Fenton, Mo. http://www.thyroshield.com
We are best armed with knowledge and accuate information. It's what we don't know that causes us to fill in the blanks.
Peliman
04-12-2011, 10:47 AM
From the CDC, Center for Disease Control and Prevention
Frequently Asked Questions About Iodine-131 Found in Milk
http://emergency.cdc.gov/radiation/isotopes/iodine131andmilk_faq.asp
Radiation Emergencies
CDC has a key role in protecting the public's health in an emergency involving the release of radiation that could harm people's health. This site provides information to help people protect themselves during and after such an event. It also provides information for professionals involved in planning for and responding to this type of emergency.
Several Topics
http://emergency.cdc.gov/Radiation/?s_cid=emergency_001
Quiche
04-12-2011, 10:47 AM
Breaking News: Fire in Fukushima #3 Turbine building April 12, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNG5uG3prpo
Okay, that's a strange presentation! I can't find any more articles on this-- I hope to hello it isn't true! I'm still looking-- UGH!!!!
eta: Can anyone else confirm this-- all I'm finding is this youtube. tia
Daisyjane
04-12-2011, 10:49 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84828.html
TOKYO, April 12, Kyodo
The operator of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant said Tuesday that it is concerned that radiation leakage at the plant could eventually exceed that of the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe. ''The radiation leak has not stopped completely and our concern is that the amount of leakage could eventually reach that of Chernobyl or exceed it,'' an official from the Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. Meanwhile, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that most of the radioactive material released in the air from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant came from the No. 2 reactor damaged by an explosion on March 15. At 6:10 a.m. on March 15, part of the reactor's containment vessel was damaged following an apparent hydrogen explosion. Massive amounts of radioactive substances are believed to have been released from the suppression pool of the reactor, the agency said.
Japan on Tuesday raised the severity level of the accident at the plant to the maximum 7 on an international scale, up from the current 5 and matching that of the Chernobyl disaster in the former Soviet republic of Ukraine. The agency said, however, that the amount of radioactive materials released from the nuke plant is estimated to be about 10 percent of the amount released in the Chernobyl accident.
essies
04-12-2011, 10:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9N21mihqY
Arnie Gundersen Discusses Radioactive Water Leaking Into the Pacific Ocean with CNN's John King
Gundersen discusses the radioactive water which is sitting in trenches and leaking into the ocean. He explains how the hydrogen explosion in reactor 2 caused a breeched containment. Gundersen puts into perspective the level of radiation being released into the ocean
"There is a lot of radiation in the ocean."-Arnie Gunderson
JBean
04-12-2011, 11:08 AM
Just FYI-- Locals here in Southern Orange. San Onfore is running a drill this am, it is only a drill. The sirens and all that I assume?.
ETA:
Emergency drill today at San Onofre Nuclear Plant
Daily News Wire Services
Posted: 04/12/2011 07:52:27 AM PDT
Updated: 04/12/2011 07:56:25 AM PDT
SAN ONOFRE - Radiation experts and emergency workers will participate in a drill today to test responses to an emergency at the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station, an exercise conducted every other year but has taken on added significance because of the disaster in Japan.
snip
Drills are conducted at the San Onofre plant a few times a year, but this biennial one is a much more extensive test that is monitored by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Gil Alexander of Southern California Edison said.
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_17822432
Quiche
04-12-2011, 11:22 AM
This is an interesting stroll down memory lane--
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1986457_1986501_1986443,00.html
Put together last May.
coastal
04-12-2011, 11:31 AM
Japan residents (comment) on raised nuclear threat level
2 April 2011 Last updated at 10:23 ET
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13047683
>>>snip
...
...I have the feeling they authorities are keeping information back from us. Some of my colleagues have expressed similar fears. Some are stocking up on water and not allowing their kids to drink from the tap despite government advice.
I've just come back from a major supermarket. There were long queues and bottled mineral water was sold-out, despite the rule of one litre per household. I managed to get two small bottles of sparkling water..."
...
(article continues)
<<<snip
Please tell me there is not a "rule" which prevents these people from buying (or having?) more than one litre of water per household! Heavens to Betsy! That's HALF of a big Pepsi bottle?
(:o wikipedia: One litre is slightly more than one U.S. liquid quart and slightly less than one imperial quart or one U.S. dry quart)
I must be missing something here, because from the sound of the comments in this article, folks are upset because the information keeps changing, but nobody seems to have noticed what said new information means !
I need coffee.
(ETA: added link)
Quiche
04-12-2011, 11:36 AM
On liter per HOUSEHOLD? That's not even a day's worth for one person... and doing it that way, they have to line up every day. May as well just stay in line-- buy the bottle, have a drink, give the kids a drink, go to the back of the line. :mad:
I hope other countries are helping with the water situation.
ThoughtFox
04-12-2011, 11:50 AM
eta: Can anyone else confirm this-- all I'm finding is this youtube. tia
From Washington Post, April 12, 2011
... the plant faces the constant threat of aftershocks, and on Tuesday a 6.2-magnitude temblor caused a brief fire at a building near Daiichi’s No. 4 reactor. Tokyo Electric said the aftershock did not interrupt the critical injection process used to cool hot fuel rods -- but there had been a 50-minute interruption one day earlier, the result of a 6.6-magntiude quake with an epicenter just 42 miles from the plant.
not_my_kids
04-12-2011, 11:55 AM
One litre per household??? Really?!?
Well, lets see, there's 6 people in my household, we'd be dead. With rules like that, Japan's government is going to force people to use the tap water, just to prove that it really is safe. MOO.
Quiche
04-12-2011, 11:55 AM
From Washington Post, April 12, 2011
... the plant faces the constant threat of aftershocks, and on Tuesday a 6.2-magnitude temblor caused a brief fire at a building near Daiichi’s No. 4 reactor. Tokyo Electric said the aftershock did not interrupt the critical injection process used to cool hot fuel rods -- but there had been a 50-minute interruption one day earlier, the result of a 6.6-magntiude quake with an epicenter just 42 miles from the plant.
Thanks. But, I don't believe there's been any fuel on fire at #3-- that's what a video upthread claimed. :waitasec:
eta: this is the video HB posted, just can't find anything on it. It would be very disastrous if true--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNG5uG3prpo
dsntslp
04-12-2011, 01:02 PM
That video or picture of the fire is referenced in MSM. I wondered the same thing and went looking for it. The fire was in a turbine building for reactor #3 but not in reactor 3 itself. I thought somebody had clarified it already. Let me go find it for you, brb.
Here ya go: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42547992/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Caption reads: "A fire broke out at a building for sampling seawater near the No.4 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant on April 12, 2011."
I know I read it was a turbine building for reactor #3, let me find that quoted for citation purposes.
(Having trouble finding that article but will keep looking, even if I have to go back through my history.)
If you look at the pic you can tell it is much too close to the water to be the reactor itself and there is no destruction evident like reactor 3 has to the building. HTH
coastal
04-12-2011, 01:24 PM
In other news:
Iceland's penis museum finally gets human specimen
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110412/ap_on_fe_st/eu_iceland_penis_museum
>>>snip
...
...But the museum director was coy when asked about the size of his newest acquisition.
"I can't tell you that," Hjartarson said. "You will just have to come and see it..."
(article continues)
<<<snip
Speechless, me.
Linda7NJ
04-12-2011, 01:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZ6rHsa4Xk
LEVEL 7-Worse than Chernobyl! BUT- don't get too upset folks. The government says it's only 1/10 the amount of radiarion that was released at Chernobyl. So, what factors make it worse or the same level if not the amount of radiation?:maddening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rE73bUVCA
Mr. Nishiyama stressed that unlike at Chernobyl, where the reactor itself exploded and fire fanned the release of radioactive material, the containments at the four troubled reactors at Fukushima remained intact over all.
But at a separate news conference, an official from Tokyo Electric said, "The radiation leak has not stopped completely and our concern is that it could eventually exceed Chernobyl."
The accident at Chernobyl involved a burning graphite reactor that pushed radioactive particles high into the atmosphere and downwind across Europe. The Japanese accident has mostly produced radioactive liquid runoff into the Pacific Ocean and low-altitude radioactive particles that have tended to blow out into the ocean and quickly fall into the water.
On the International Nuclear Event Scale, a Level 7 nuclear accident involves "widespread health and environmental effects" and the "external release of a significant fraction of the reactor core inventory." The scale, which was developed by the International Atomic Energy Agency and countries that use nuclear energy, leaves it to the nuclear agency of the country where the accident occurs to calculate a rating based on complicated criteria.
Japan's previous rating of 5 placed the Fukushima accident at the same level as the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979. Level 7 has been applied only to the disaster at Chernobyl, in the former Soviet Union.
"This is an admission by the Japanese government that the amount of radiation released into the environment has reached a new order of magnitude," said Tetsuo Iguchi, a professor in the department of quantum engineering at Nagoya University. "The fact that we have now confirmed the world's second-ever level 7 accident will have huge consequences for the global nuclear industry. It shows that current safety standards are woefully inadequate
RBM IMO No it won't. Only thing that will actually done will be lip service. and honestly, who REALLY cares? Do you see the be masses demanding even information?
essies
04-12-2011, 02:09 PM
RBM IMO No it won't. Only thing that will actually done will be lip service. and honestly, who REALLY cares? Do you see the be masses demanding even information?
Scary isn't it? Where is the outcry and the demand from the masses for the truth? I guess a large percentage of people want to believe what feels good and sounds good to them rather than question what doesn't make sense!! And, IMVHO, the powers that be are counting on that very mindset of blind trust and complacency to keep the delusion in place!:twocents:
hockeymom
04-12-2011, 02:16 PM
Scary isn't it? Where is the outcry and the demand from the masses for the truth? I guess a large percentage of people want to believe what feels good and sounds good to them rather than question what doesn't make sense!! And, IMVHO, the powers that be are counting on that very mindset of blind trust and complacency to keep the delusion in place!:twocents:
I can tell you right now,in my social network,nobody is giving a second thought to Japan right now. In their minds,its Japans problem,if they even know the crisis is going on still.I have one friend in Boston who is up on everything,other than that,most of my friends barely watch the news. (and I live in an upper middle class area,with people who taut how educated they are) Unless there is a big headline,its just not their concern,until it directly affects them. Sometimes I wonder if its better to be like that,unlike me who is a new junkie.
hockeymom
04-12-2011, 02:31 PM
Anyone see this yet,another chemical ,Strontium,has been detected. Apparently it causes leukemia.
http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-introduces-deadly-strontium-into-environment/
hockeymom
04-12-2011, 03:04 PM
I don't know if we have reported on this yet,but jeez,they say California is going to sink!!! Supposedly this is a very under reported consequence of the constant seismic activity going on in Japan,Liquefaction. Some of the video is unbelievable!
http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2690927/posts
ThoughtFox
04-12-2011, 03:44 PM
Here's a great list of links for up-to-the minute news from Fukushima:
http://fukushima.wikispaces.com/
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