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ThoughtFox
04-12-2011, 03:49 PM
I don't know if we have reported on this yet,but jeez,they say California is going to sink!!! Supposedly this is a very under reported consequence of the constant seismic activity going on in Japan,Liquefaction. Some of the video is unbelievable!

http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2690927/posts

If you remember the Loma Prieta earthquake in San Francisco, 1989, there was soil liquefaction because so many buildings were built on landfill that wasn't stable.

The government is aware of it, but nothing they can do about it. It can happen anywhere there's a fill area where homes or buildings are built.

Here's a USGS page about past liquefaction in San Fran:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/nca/qmap/

Quiche
04-12-2011, 04:06 PM
Here's a great list of links for up-to-the minute news from Fukushima:

http://fukushima.wikispaces.com/

Wonderful link, thank you! :tyou:

I bookmarked it, tons of resources!

not_my_kids
04-12-2011, 04:14 PM
Here, there have been a couple of releases where they've vented gas from the reactor, and then released some cooling water." Workers yesterday discovered a fire close to the No?4 Reactor at the plant but quickly extinguished it. Tepco said the fire was in a battery box and did not affect radiation levels.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Nuclear+leak+exceed+Chernobyl+Japan+admits/4596821/story.html#ixzz1JLFqm5gD

Is this THE fire from yesterday's video or just A fire?

Linda7NJ
04-12-2011, 04:17 PM
Scary isn't it? Where is the outcry and the demand from the masses for the truth? I guess a large percentage of people want to believe what feels good and sounds good to them rather than question what doesn't make sense!! And, IMVHO, the powers that be are counting on that very mindset of blind trust and complacency to keep the delusion in place!:twocents:


IMO There has been a very intentional DUMBING down of masses. It's been a concerted effort and it has worked like a charm. The masses are more interested in sound bites and Charlie Sheen news meanwhile government corruption is rampet and the greedy rake in the $$$$$. if the masses are spoon fed enough crap..... over time they begin to prefer crap!

There are simply far too many sheep these days. imo

not_my_kids
04-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Some 370,000 terabecquerels of radioactive iodine and cesium have been released at Fukushima — more than officials originally thought. (A terabecquerel equals 1 trillion becquerels, a measure for radiation emissions.) Most of it spewed into the atmosphere in the early days of the crisis, and radiation levels have generally been declining.
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/12/135353240/fukushima-vs-chernobyl-what-does-level-7-mean

not_my_kids
04-12-2011, 04:20 PM
The Metsamor power station is one of a mere handful of remaining nuclear reactors of its kind that were built without primary containment structures. All five of these first-generation water-moderated Soviet units are past or near their original retirement ages, but one salient fact sets Armenia's reactor apart from the four in Russia.

Metsamor lies on some of Earth's most earthquake-prone terrain.

In the wake of Japan's quake-and-tsunami-triggered Fukushima Daiichi crisis, Armenia's government faces renewed questions from those who say the fateful combination of design and location make Metsamor among the most dangerous nuclear plants in the world.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/04/110412-most-dangerous-nuclear-plant-armenia/

Sorta off topic to Japan, but I found it interesting.

Quiche
04-12-2011, 04:23 PM
IMO There has been a very intentional DUMBING down of masses. It's been a concerted effort and it has worked like a charm. The masses are more interested in sound bites and Charlie Sheen news meanwhile government corruption is rampet and the greedy rake in the $$$$$. if the masses are spoon fed enough crap..... over time they begin to prefer crap!

There are simply far too many sheep these days. imo

Just look at the funding for education. :cool:

Daisyjane
04-12-2011, 06:50 PM
I wonder how many Japanese will go to see these movies?

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85056.html

TOKYO, April 13, KyodoA theater in Tokyo's Nakano Ward will screen more than a dozen nuclear-themed movies later this month to mark the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster which took place on April 26, 1986 in the former Soviet Union.

Officials at the theater said they had been planning to screen movies about atomic bombs in conjunction with a similar-themed exhibition scheduled for early April at the Meguro Museum of Art. But the plan was abandoned after the museum canceled the exhibition in the wake of the accident at the Fukushima nuclear plant saying it may spread excessive fear or possible misunderstanding about radiation, according to organizers.

''We hope that the screening event will provide an opportunity for people to discuss why we need nuclear power stations now that a level 7 accident has occurred in Japan,'' said Shohei Ishikawa, one of the organizers, referring to the maximum severity level applied to the ongoing crisis at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, putting it on a par with the Chernobyl accident.

The special screening at the theater Polepole Higashinakano between April 23 and May 6 will feature both Japanese and foreign films on nuclear power and nuclear accidents. They include a documentary on the construction of Japan's first commercial reactor at the Tokai nuclear power plant in Ibaraki Prefecture.

A total of 17 movies will be screened during the two-week event, including ''Nadya's Village,'' which depicts a family staying on in a beautiful Belarusian village even after it was contaminated by radiation following the Chernobyl disaster.

Quiche
04-12-2011, 08:01 PM
I wonder how many Japanese will go to see these movies?

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85056.html

TOKYO, April 13, KyodoA theater in Tokyo's Nakano Ward will screen more than a dozen nuclear-themed movies later this month to mark the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster which took place on April 26, 1986 in the former Soviet Union.

Officials at the theater said they had been planning to screen movies about atomic bombs in conjunction with a similar-themed exhibition scheduled for early April at the Meguro Museum of Art. But the plan was abandoned after the museum canceled the exhibition in the wake of the accident at the Fukushima nuclear plant saying it may spread excessive fear or possible misunderstanding about radiation, according to organizers.

''We hope that the screening event will provide an opportunity for people to discuss why we need nuclear power stations now that a level 7 accident has occurred in Japan,'' said Shohei Ishikawa, one of the organizers, referring to the maximum severity level applied to the ongoing crisis at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, putting it on a par with the Chernobyl accident.

The special screening at the theater Polepole Higashinakano between April 23 and May 6 will feature both Japanese and foreign films on nuclear power and nuclear accidents. They include a documentary on the construction of Japan's first commercial reactor at the Tokai nuclear power plant in Ibaraki Prefecture.

A total of 17 movies will be screened during the two-week event, including ''Nadya's Village,'' which depicts a family staying on in a beautiful Belarusian village even after it was contaminated by radiation following the Chernobyl disaster.

Imo, this is over the top, and I certainly wouldn't attend. However, I realize the Japanese mindset is much different than my own. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

RLynne
04-12-2011, 09:21 PM
i shouldn't have looked.. those animals killed me.. maybe because they are still alive.. they can be rescued.. why aren't they.. why can't someone turn that horse loose so he can at least get to some water and graze??? What about the cat, break the window let her out.. give her a chance :( :( I'm gonna have nightmares :(

I'm glad it's not just me. I want to say that I read something, somewhere (reliable reporting from me, no?) that said that because of their fur, it's very difficult to decontaminate animals. And, of course, rescuing humans does take precedence.

I was the same way after Katrina. Hearing the stories of pets that got left behind just crushed me. I met a guy (brother of a friend of a friend) who moved up here, from New Orleans, after the hurricane--he and his partner had been forced to leave their cat behind in their apartment when they evacuated. He literally had lost everything he owned except for what he was wearing (I met him in the process of getting him some shoes via my then-boss--her husband was the same size), and still hadn't heard of the fate of some friends, but the look on his face when he talked about his pet still haunts me.

And now I'm tearing up again.

You know, before this all happened (and even a bit after) I was kind of on the fence whether nuclear power was a good thing or not (I know we have got to find better energy sources than oil and coal, but I hadn't really taken the time to research nuclear energy). I'm not anymore. The risks are just too great, imo. Things like wind farms may have their downsides (dangers to migratory birds, noise for those close by, etc.), but nothing like this will ever come down from a wind farm disaster. The devastation in Japan from the earthquake/tsunami would have been bad enough, but to add in this... I'm just heartbroken.

essies
04-12-2011, 10:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv101ShEDB4
"This Is Chernobyl In Slow Motion" -April 12, 2011 CNN

dsntslp
04-12-2011, 10:25 PM
Radiation release will hit marine life
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110412/full/472145a.html

(The online magazine mentioned in the Youtube above)

essies
04-13-2011, 01:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw
Swallowed by the tsunami: Horrifying new footage shows life and death race to outrun giant wave
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376119/Japanese-tsunami-video-The-life-death-race-outrun-giant-wave.html#ixzz1JNTMoGwl
SNIP-
The sheer panic of people trying to flee the Japanese tsunami has been captured in a newly-released video that shows the life and death race to outrun the wave.


The fate of some of those in the footage is unknown as the water rises so quickly that they simply disappear in the swell carrying cars and buildings.

Residents from the town, believed to be called Minami-sanriku, are seen running up the side of a hill to safety as the water behind them closes in on them.

hollyblue
04-13-2011, 09:16 AM
RBM IMO No it won't. Only thing that will actually done will be lip service. and honestly, who REALLY cares? Do you see the be masses demanding even information?

Nothing will be done with the exception, hopefully, of safety issues. The future of energy will be fusion energy vs this fission which was put into use way before it should have been..(as far as safety). It is and was a good concept, but the what if's and disposal were an afterthought.
Projections for fusion's commerical use in not until 2050. The percentage of research dollars into fusion vs solar, wind, etc. is mind boggling with billions each year going into it.

This only tells the basics, but there is alot of info out there for inquiry.

http://www.fusionenergyfoundation.org/history

Daisyjane
04-13-2011, 10:00 AM
Tidbits: (Bolded item seems especially troubling)

Some of the spent nuclear fuel rods stored in the No. 4 reactor building of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant were confirmed to be damaged, but most of them are believed to be in sound condition, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday.

The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit's spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137.

The No. 4 reactor, halted for a regular inspection before last month's earthquake and tsunami disaster, had all of its fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work and the fuel was feared to have sustained damage from overheating.

The roof and the upper walls of the No. 4 reactor building have been blown away by a hydrogen explosion and damaged by fires since the disaster struck the plant. The water level in the spent fuel pool is believed to have temporarily dropped.

Meanwhile, Yoko Komiyama, senior vice minister of health, labor and welfare, said Wednesday at a Diet session that a total of 22 workers at the plant have been exposed to radiation exceeding 100 millisieverts as of midnight Tuesday and that the highest level of exposure among them is 198.24 millisieverts.

Exposure to 100 millisieverts is the legal limit for nuclear plant workers dealing with an emergency, but the limit has been raised to 250 millisieverts for the ongoing crisis.

Entire article at http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85259.html

drip~drop
04-13-2011, 10:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw
Swallowed by the tsunami: Horrifying new footage shows life and death race to outrun giant wave
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376119/Japanese-tsunami-video-The-life-death-race-outrun-giant-wave.html#ixzz1JNTMoGwl
SNIP-
The sheer panic of people trying to flee the Japanese tsunami has been captured in a newly-released video that shows the life and death race to outrun the wave.


The fate of some of those in the footage is unknown as the water rises so quickly that they simply disappear in the swell carrying cars and buildings.

Residents from the town, believed to be called Minami-sanriku, are seen running up the side of a hill to safety as the water behind them closes in on them.

That was chilling. It scared me even tho I know it's over.

peeples
04-13-2011, 10:38 AM
That video was just WOw.. in 5 minutes it was far away and then it was just upon them :(

hockeymom
04-13-2011, 10:46 AM
That video was just WOw.. in 5 minutes it was far away and then it was just upon them :(

I found myself shouting at the video for them to hurry up. You see a couple people walking instead of running.This is just stuff you see in a movie!!

Daisyjane
04-13-2011, 11:05 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85289.html

Excessive radioactive cesium found in fish caught off Fukushima
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Radioactive cesium 25 times above the legal limit for consumption was detected Wednesday in young sand lance caught off Fukushima Prefecture, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said. One of the sample fish had a level of cesium of 12,500 becquerels per kilogram about 500 meters off the city of Iwaki, and 35 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station, it said. The limit is 500 becquerels under the Food Sanitation Law.

buffetoflies
04-13-2011, 11:36 AM
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?

...cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations...

and

The most logical explanation: The nuclear industry and government agencies are scrambling to prevent the discovery of atomic-bomb research facilities...

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/08/japans-elite-hiding-weapons-program-inside-nuclear-plants#ixzz1IwkdQ8I6

Really, Fox News? :waitasec:

Quoteing this again, because if you think real hard about it, it does make sense.

There are 2 big confusing things about the situation that sorta point to something fishy goin on over there. The first one is that for some reason, even though there wasn't any fuel in the reactor it still needed to be sprayed with water. Why? Could they have been possibly using the fuel that was in there to make weapons?

The second thing is, they have been using barges there under the cover of darkness that are protected by another ship. Why would they first the protector ship, then the darkness to move things around?

There is a third fishy thing I just remembered... there's this light that can be seen dimly on the nighttime web cam for the plant... They'd need light to move whatever it is their moving over there.

A fourth just occurred to me lol... just recently they upgraded it to a level 7 accident after being at 5 for so long. At level 5 it is still local and Tepco has control over it. At level 7 it becomes international so other countries can butt in, and if it was level 7 before now the other countries would have found out about whatever they were using reactor #4 for. They must have gotten everything out. If you are wondering where they move the stuff to with the barges... there is a very deep trench a bit to the east of Japan. Drop it down there and no-one's the wiser.

It sounds crazy, but it does kinda make sense.

sirensong
04-13-2011, 02:06 PM
I found myself shouting at the video for them to hurry up. You see a couple people walking instead of running.This is just stuff you see in a movie!!



I watched the movie "Hereafter" last night. I had no idea there was a tsunami scene so realist! After seeing the Indonesian and Japenese disasters, I really couldn't cope with it. It was so realistic. I could cry forever.

Dr.Fessel
04-13-2011, 02:19 PM
Quoteing this again, because if you think real hard about it, it does make sense.

There are 2 big confusing things about the situation that sorta point to something fishy goin on over there. The first one is that for some reason, even though there wasn't any fuel in the reactor it still needed to be sprayed with water. Why? Could they have been possibly using the fuel that was in there to make weapons?

The second thing is, they have been using barges there under the cover of darkness that are protected by another ship. Why would they first the protector ship, then the darkness to move things around?

There is a third fishy thing I just remembered... there's this light that can be seen dimly on the nighttime web cam for the plant... They'd need light to move whatever it is their moving over there.

A fourth just occurred to me lol... just recently they upgraded it to a level 7 accident after being at 5 for so long. At level 5 it is still local and Tepco has control over it. At level 7 it becomes international so other countries can butt in, and if it was level 7 before now the other countries would have found out about whatever they were using reactor #4 for. They must have gotten everything out. If you are wondering where they move the stuff to with the barges... there is a very deep trench a bit to the east of Japan. Drop it down there and no-one's the wiser.

It sounds crazy, but it does kinda make sense.

Barge with a crane.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/tepcoboat.jpg

Dr.Fessel
04-13-2011, 02:45 PM
After large earthquakes in the Tokyo area you can see aftershocks on this live cam.

http://www.earthcam.com/japan/tokyo/

Quiche
04-13-2011, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw
Swallowed by the tsunami: Horrifying new footage shows life and death race to outrun giant wave
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376119/Japanese-tsunami-video-The-life-death-race-outrun-giant-wave.html#ixzz1JNTMoGwl
SNIP-
The sheer panic of people trying to flee the Japanese tsunami has been captured in a newly-released video that shows the life and death race to outrun the wave.


The fate of some of those in the footage is unknown as the water rises so quickly that they simply disappear in the swell carrying cars and buildings.

Residents from the town, believed to be called Minami-sanriku, are seen running up the side of a hill to safety as the water behind them closes in on them.

I broke down... this is the most horrific scene I've ever witnessed. :cry:

Quiche
04-13-2011, 03:58 PM
In Japan, a homecoming of desperation in the nuclear zone

Quote: Residents of a town near the Fukushima nuclear plant venture back to their homes for the first time since they evacuated. They grab what belongings they can and dash off again, quite possibly never to return.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-hot-zone-20110413,0,6689360.story

Not government sanctioned, but isn't the stuff they're taking out contaminated?

Daisyjane
04-13-2011, 05:38 PM
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_35.html

Tidbits:

The Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says the water temperature in the spent fuel storage pool at the No. 4 reactor in the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant has risen to about 90 degrees Celsius. It fears the spent fuel rods may be damaged.

TEPCO took the temperature on Tuesday using an extending arm on a special vehicle. It found the temperature was much higher than the normal level of under 40 degrees. The company thinks the pool's water level was about 5 meters lower than normal, but 2 meters above the fuel rods.

TEPCO says high levels of radiation at 84 millisieverts per hour were detected above the water surface, where radiation is rarely detected.

The storage pool at the No. 4 reactor has housed all the fuel rods that were in operation at the reactor due to massive engineering work there.

University of Tokyo Professor Koji Okamoto says the temperature of 90 degrees indicates that cooling is continuing, although some of the water in the pool may be boiling.

Okamoto says high radiation indicates the possibility of radiation leaks from damaged fuel, and called for the evaluation of water sampling to determine how the situation should be tackled.

Quiche
04-13-2011, 05:58 PM
Pet rescuers brave Fukushima danger zone

Quote: Gallaon-Aoki and others like her have been slipping into the 20-km radius around Fukushima Daiichi to retrieve pets and feed livestock left behind when their owners were forced to evacuate. Pet owners have sent her group their addresses, accompanied by pleas to rescue their animals, left behind when they fled for what was supposed to be a short time.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/13/japan.nuclear.pets/

Quiche
04-13-2011, 06:09 PM
Nuke plant workers fear water poured on reactors could overflow and leak radiation

Quote: The workers are unable to cool it down sufficiently because they are only pouring on an amount of water that evaporates from the fuel pool, to prevent it from overflowing.

and

Of the 1,331 fuel assemblies stored in the pool of the No. 4 reactor, 548 are new and therefore they could generate more heat than ordinary spent nuclear fuel.

and

A high level of radiation -- 100,000 times the normal level -- was detected in the atmosphere about 6 meters above the fuel pool.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110413p2a00m0na012000c.html

I fear they are losing their grip on #4. Lots of airborne contaminates. :(

Quiche
04-13-2011, 06:26 PM
Japan Tsunami rubble will reach west coast

Quote: Oceanographer Curt Ebbesmeyer has said that it would take about three years before West Coast residents begin to see trash stemming from the tsunami aftermath.

Whole buildings, boats and even cars have been seen floating well out to sea off eastern Japan following the tsunami.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/keremeosreview/news/119730824.html

I imagine this will be costly!

Quiche
04-13-2011, 06:28 PM
Body of tsunami victim washes up in Oregon

Quote: The body of a young man swept out to sea in California by a surge from Japan’s tsunami last month has washed up on the Oregon coast, some 300 miles (480 km) away, authorities said on Tuesday.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=428226&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19

This was the guy who was trying for a photograph...

Quiche
04-13-2011, 07:19 PM
Feeling the Aftershocks Within

Quote: Aguri Suzuki, a 44-year-old real estate agent, says she sometimes thinks the ground is shaking even when it is not. When she sees a tree branch swaying in the wind, she worries there has been an earthquake.

Doctors here say they are seeing more people who are experiencing such phantom quakes, as well as other symptoms of “earthquake sickness” like dizziness and anxiety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/world/asia/14quake.html

Niner
04-13-2011, 09:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZR0Rq1Rfw
Swallowed by the tsunami: Horrifying new footage shows life and death race to outrun giant wave
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376119/Japanese-tsunami-video-The-life-death-race-outrun-giant-wave.html#ixzz1JNTMoGwl
SNIP-
The sheer panic of people trying to flee the Japanese tsunami has been captured in a newly-released video that shows the life and death race to outrun the wave.


The fate of some of those in the footage is unknown as the water rises so quickly that they simply disappear in the swell carrying cars and buildings.

Residents from the town, believed to be called Minami-sanriku, are seen running up the side of a hill to safety as the water behind them closes in on them.

JESUS! unbelievable!!! Did you see the old woman still standing at the walkway just before the grass? She was NOT moving, just watching... I don't think she made it - she looked pretty old! unbelievable... :eek: :(

hockeymom
04-13-2011, 09:19 PM
JESUS! unbelievable!!! Did you see the old woman still standing at the walkway just before the grass? She was NOT moving, just watching... I don't think she made it - she looked pretty old! unbelievable... :eek: :(

Do you mean the one with the pocketbook? I know its not funny but I did find it amusing(as ridiculous as that sounds),as it was such an old lady thing to do. Carry your pocketbook while you are literally running for your life.

Niner
04-13-2011, 09:32 PM
Do you mean the one with the pocketbook? I know its not funny but I did find it amusing(as ridiculous as that sounds),as it was such an old lady thing to do. Carry your pocketbook while you are literally running for your life.

yes, running from the roof... also at about 2:22, did you see the water coming out of the tunnel with all the cars that had probably JUST driven through!! WOW! is all I can say about that video!!

RLynne
04-13-2011, 10:14 PM
Folks are working to help pets/livestock in the evacuated zone!

http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/13/japan.nuclear.pets/index.html?hpt=C1

Gallaon-Aoki and others like her have been slipping into the 20-km radius around Fukushima Daiichi to retrieve pets and feed livestock left behind when their owners were forced to evacuate. Pet owners have sent her group their addresses, accompanied by pleas to rescue their animals, left behind when they fled for what was supposed to be a short time.

There's also a video at the main cnn.com page, but I can't bring myself to watch it. I watched the youtube video essies posted earlier, and I don't want to break down again tonight.

Quiche
04-13-2011, 10:22 PM
Another 6.1 a few hours ago--

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

buffetoflies
04-13-2011, 10:45 PM
Barge with a crane.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/kensaroo/tepcoboat.jpg

Meaning??
I'm not blonde, but I think I should go there considering the amount of time I spend confused lately.

RLynne
04-14-2011, 12:08 AM
Pet rescuers brave Fukushima danger zone

Quote: Gallaon-Aoki and others like her have been slipping into the 20-km radius around Fukushima Daiichi to retrieve pets and feed livestock left behind when their owners were forced to evacuate. Pet owners have sent her group their addresses, accompanied by pleas to rescue their animals, left behind when they fled for what was supposed to be a short time.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/13/japan.nuclear.pets/

Oops, sorry, Quiche--I missed that you had already posted this. Thank you!

hollyblue
04-14-2011, 07:33 AM
I watched this last night on Natural Geographic. They say it will be on ITunes later today. There was very little said about Fukushama...near the end, but it was a very moving program. They had subtitles in English which made it more emotional in hearing what the people there were experiencing.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/community/blogs/ngc/_witness-japans-disaster

Daisyjane
04-14-2011, 11:11 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85404.html CHIBA, Japan, April 14, Kyodo

A child evacuee from an area near the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture was bullied by other children, who taunted him, saying he could infect others with radiation, an education board in Chiba Prefecture said Thursday.

After learning about the incident through an anonymous phone call, the board in the city of Funabashi instructed 83 local elementary and middle schools to tell their students to be kind to the evacuees and be considerate of their feelings. An anonymous caller said a sibling of a pupil at a Funabashi elementary school, who took refuge from the Fukushima Daiichi plant, was harassed by other children in mid-March at a park in the city, according to the board. The board said it urged the schools to work with their pupils' parents and other guardians to prevent children from acting impulsively after being influenced by grown-ups' own anxiety about radiation.

Quiche
04-14-2011, 11:32 AM
Search for Bodies Edges Closer to Crippled Nuclear Plant

Quote: Police officials from Fukushima Prefecture said the search for bodies was being conducted in an area about four miles from the Daiichi plant. The police said radiation levels had dropped sufficiently to allow workers to safely look for victims of last month’s earthquake and tsunami.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/asia/15bodies.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

essies
04-14-2011, 11:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GsO95aZ22E

April 13, 2011
Arnold Gundersen discusses the Fukushima Accident Severity Level Being Raised to Level 7, saying the Fukushima disasters is 1,000 times worse than the nuclear engineers who built the plant ever anticipated

Quiche
04-14-2011, 11:57 AM
Tepco Said to Plan for Three Months of Cooling at Fukushima

Excerpt:
Engineers at Tokyo Electric rejected a proposal to flood reactors at the damaged plant, which could lower temperatures in days rather than months, according to the person, who asked not to be identified because he isn’t authorized to speak to the media. Instead, the utility is pumping in water and venting off steam, a method called “feed and bleed.”

and

A make-shift combination of fire hoses and pumps being used to cool the reactor isn’t providing enough water, according to the person. Temperatures that measured 204.5 degrees Celsius (400 degrees Fahrenheit) inside the vessel yesterday, or twice boiling point, cause the water to turn into steam, creating a sauna-like cooling system that’s less effective, the person said.

Flooding the space between the pressure vessel and the surrounding containment could bring temperatures down in days rather than months, according to the person.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-14/tepco-said-to-estimate-three-months-needed-to-stabilize-fukushima-reactors.html

essies
04-14-2011, 11:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcZyDdMqDHk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Z55WRrZnw
With Record levels of radiation being found in fish and vegetables Japan says milk is magically safe to eat.

WHO says there is no need to take new public health measures after Fukushima upgraded to disaster of same level as Chernobyl after several days ago the real risk was food becoming contaminated.
I guess we'll just wait and see in 10 to 20 years if more precautions were necessary!!:banghead:

ThoughtFox
04-14-2011, 12:06 PM
"Feed and Steam" = Radioactive Clouds

:banghead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/13/us-japan-tsunami-predictions-idUSTRE73C5IV20110413

Japan's northeast suffered many large past tsunamis

(Reuters) - Japan's battered northeastern coast suffered many large tsunamis in the past and nuclear power stations there should have been built to withstand these huge walls of water, a scientist said on Thursday.

(snip)

..."It's known to have happened before and it's well documented and so when they built a nuclear power plant they should have provided for a tsunami of the same size," Geller said.

"But they planned for a tsunami to be 5.6 meters and the actual tsunami was about 15 meters, so it completely overwhelmed the defenses."

Geller said all nuclear plants in Japan should be reviewed to ensure they are tsunami-resistant.

"They definitely should, they are almost all on the oceanfront. You need a lot of water to cool them," he said.

More at Link

Daisyjane
04-14-2011, 12:42 PM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85532.html

The concentration levels of radioactive iodine and cesium in groundwater near the troubled Nos. 1 and 2 reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have increased up to several dozen times in one week, suggesting that toxic water has seeped from nearby reactor turbine buildings or elsewhere, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday.

The announcement came as the plant operator continued to grapple with pools of highly radioactive water found on the plant's premises, with the level of polluted water filling an underground trench edging up again after the company finished pumping out around 660 tons of water.

According to the latest findings, a groundwater sample taken April 6 near the No. 1 reactor turbine building showed radioactive iodine-131 of 72 becquerels per cubic meter, with the concentration level growing to 400 becquerels as of Wednesday. The concentration level of cesium-134 increased from 1.4 becquerels to 53 becquerels.

dsntslp
04-14-2011, 12:43 PM
That's a HUGE increase, isn't it? WOW!

Daisyjane
04-14-2011, 01:07 PM
That's a HUGE increase, isn't it? WOW!

Yes, Iodine has gone up x6 and cesium is x30. Also sounds like they can't pinpoint just where it's leaking from.

essies
04-14-2011, 01:09 PM
Girl, 8, among tsunami victims denied help after fears they could spread radiation to other survivors
snip-
An eight-year-old girl is among scores of people refused medical help or shelter in Japan because of fears they could be contaminated by radiation and could pass it on to others.
People who have been made homeless as a result of the leakage of radiation at the Fukushima nuclear plant, 135 miles north of Tokyo, have to be screened and then given an 'all clear' certificate.
If they do not have a certificate, they are being told they cannot be allowed into evacuation centres amid fears that they might be a 'hibakusha' - a person contaminated by radiation.

The ban is a reminder of the discrimination suffered by irradiated survivors of the atomic bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Misguided rumours suggested they could make other people ill.
The father of an eight-year-old girl said she was refused treatment for a skin condition in a hospital in Fukushima city because she did not have a screening certificate.
Mr Takayuki Okamura told the Mainichi Daily newspaper: 'I am worried already with my life as an evacuee. It was a real shock to have (mydaughter's) appointment refused
more at link-


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376379/Girl-8-tsunami-victims-denied-help-fears-spread-radiation-survivors.html#ixzz1JWBarLOU

dsntslp
04-14-2011, 01:41 PM
And how do they know that people who have previously been issued a certificate have not sneaked back in to gather belongings and are now contaminated anyway?

I thought they could just bathe them to decontaminate them, isn't that what they said?

8 years old, refused medical treatment? So very sad :(

They need to dispel myths and do dome serious educating with facts over there.

Quiche
04-14-2011, 02:44 PM
And how do they know that people who have previously been issued a certificate have not sneaked back in to gather belongings and are now contaminated anyway?

I thought they could just bathe them to decontaminate them, isn't that what they said?

8 years old, refused medical treatment? So very sad :(

They need to dispel myths and do dome serious educating with facts over there.

Interesting how discrimination rears its ugly head... :cool:

Quiche
04-14-2011, 02:49 PM
Store blood cells from Fukushima workers: Lancet

Quote: A group of Japanese doctors on Friday urged workers at the Fukushima nuclear plant to have their blood stemcells stored as a safeguard should they be exposed to life-threatening levels of radiation.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/sci-tech/medicine/store-blood-cells-fukushima-workers-lancet-282

Invest now! I see many economic boons opening up through via this disaster. jmo

Daisyjane
04-14-2011, 04:32 PM
Long article here, but most concerning to me was


Workers were firing water into the pond from a distance in an effort to prevent the fuel from overheating and releasing radioactive contaminants, but fluid collecting in an adjacent flood control container triggered an incorrect warning that the pond had been filled. Personnel halted water transfers to the pool for a number of days in response to the warning, allowing heat and radiation levels to increase even though the fuel was thought to have remained submerged, Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency Deputy Director General Hidehiko Nishiyama said. Water spraying began again on Wednesday.

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110414_5466.php

Quiche
04-14-2011, 05:19 PM
Long article here, but most concerning to me was


Workers were firing water into the pond from a distance in an effort to prevent the fuel from overheating and releasing radioactive contaminants, but fluid collecting in an adjacent flood control container triggered an incorrect warning that the pond had been filled. Personnel halted water transfers to the pool for a number of days in response to the warning, allowing heat and radiation levels to increase even though the fuel was thought to have remained submerged, Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency Deputy Director General Hidehiko Nishiyama said. Water spraying began again on Wednesday.

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110414_5466.php

I bet a lot of the gauges are fried! That's quite a blunder.

Quiche
04-14-2011, 07:32 PM
Fukushima Daiichi Is a 'Ticking Time Bomb'

Excerpt:
DR. MICHIO KAKU: Well, Tokyo Electric has been in denial, trying to downplay the full impact of this nuclear accident. However, there's a formula, a mathematical formula, by which you can determine what level this accident is. This accident has already released something on the order of 50,000 trillion becquerels of radiation. You do the math. That puts it right smack in the middle of a level 7 nuclear accident. Still, less than Chernobyl. However, radiation is continuing to leak out of the reactors. The situation is not stable at all. So, you're looking at basically a ticking time bomb. It appears stable, but the slightest disturbance -- a secondary earthquake, a pipe break, evacuation of the crew at Fukushima -- could set off a full-scale meltdown at three nuclear power stations, far beyond what we saw at Chernobyl.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/democracy-now/kaku_b_848770.html

Eek.

eta: good video interview

essies
04-15-2011, 01:40 AM
I've seen these videos on the internet before and heard the theories of at least the eastern part of Japan slipping and thought it was far fetched. But now-I'm not so sure the idea is that out there. Apparently there are some surveys that lend some credence to at least part of Japan in danger of slippage into a deep trench off the coast.:waitasec:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwVhaAC2t-U
OFFICIAL: JAPAN SINKING, COULD FALL INTO NEW TRENCH IN OCEAN, Hawaii Civil Defense On Alert for EPIC Tsunami?
Geologists are releasing their findings from the massive undersea earthquake and warning that the eastern coastal regions of Japan are in danger of falling into the trench created in the sea floor. Quote:After the earthquake it was hard to collect GPS data points. The results during an earthquake in the east-southeast direction showed moving about 5.3m for Oshika Peninsula, about 1.2m found that there was a new settlement . Moreover, the continued gradual deformation after an earthquake was in wide range around the focal area, after a change from large earthquakes it was greater than 20 cm.

The areas closest to the epicenter of the quake jumped a full 4 meters (13 feet) closer to the United States, geophysicist Ross Stein at the United States Geological Survey told The New York Times. As Japan's eastern coastline sunk, the tsunami's waves rolled in.
The Geospatial Information Authority of Japan (GSI) is the only national organization that conducts basic survey and mapping and instructs related organizations to clarify the conditions of land in Japan and that provides the results of surveys to help improve this land.
Postseismic Slip Distribution Model
We constructed a postseismic slip (afterslip) distribution model using surface displacement data observed by the GPS Earth Observation Network System (GEONET) for the 2011 off the Pacific coast of Tohoku Earthquake.

# Eastward displacements are observed along the Pacific coast from Aomori Prefecture to Chiba Prefecture.
# The observed postseismic displacement partly includes crustal deformation due to aftershocks.
# A postseismic slip expands in and around the inferred coseismic slip area . In particular, relative large slips are estimated in the northwest and in the south (off Choshi) of the coseismic slip area.
http://www.gsi.go.jp/cais/topic110315.2-index-e.html
http://www.gsi.go.jp/cais/topic110315-index-e.html
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000059180.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000059181.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000059603.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060226.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060228.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060230.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060236.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060237.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060232.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060233.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060234.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060235.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/common/000060238.pdf
http://www.gsi.go.jp/ENGLISH/index.html
http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/News/2011_spring_tide.html

What do you all think?:dunno:

Daisyjane
04-15-2011, 09:06 AM
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85725.html

Tidbits:

Nuclear fuel inside the crippled reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant has partially melted and settled in granular form at the bottom of pressure vessels, according to an analysis by the Atomic Energy Society of Japan made public by Friday.

The panel has assumed that the fuel has slowly melted and become granular as it was quenched when it fell into the cooling water and then settled at the bottom of the reactor pressure vessels.

Parts of the fuel rods in the Nos. 1 and 2 reactors have apparently been exposed, while those in the No. 3 reactor have been completely submerged in water, according to the panel.

Meanwhile, small amounts of plutonium believed to have been released as a result of the ongoing disaster have been detected in soil samples taken at the nuclear complex in Fukushima Prefecture, according to TEPCO.

The agency said, meanwhile, that pressure inside the No. 1 reactor has dropped somewhat, an indication that air inside the reactor has leaked outside, but that no major changes in radiation levels have been detected.

Daisyjane
04-15-2011, 09:25 AM
from my link above:

Also Friday, the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., said it will pay up to 1 million yen to residents of each of the roughly 50,000 households within 30 kilometers of the plant who have been forced to evacuate their homes or remain indoors, as provisional compensation for the damage caused by the crisis.

That's $11954.57 per household, total of $597,728,500 in US dollars.

Quiche
04-15-2011, 09:49 AM
Fukushima Forecast: Large radiation cloud over Northwest US on April 15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aGonec787ME

eta: this is an interesting link, it's where I got the animated map-- lots of information about the effects in the US.

http://enenews.com/radioactive-cesium-levels-continue-rise-milk-san-francisco-bay-area

hockeymom
04-15-2011, 10:17 AM
Fukushima Forecast: Large radiation cloud over Northwest US on April 15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aGonec787ME

eta: this is an interesting link, it's where I got the animated map-- lots of information about the effects in the US.

http://enenews.com/radioactive-cesium-levels-continue-rise-milk-san-francisco-bay-area

Nice of our government to let people know.:maddening:

Daisyjane
04-15-2011, 10:40 AM
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-tepco-compensation-mineral/

TEPCO also shared its intention to drop bags with Zeolite, a mineral that absorbs radiation, into the ocean near the water scoops of Fukushima-1 reactors 2 and 3. The operation, which is aimed at reducing the level of contamination in the seawater, will start as soon as the weather permits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite

Non-clumping cat litter is often made of zeolite or diatomite.

Paulette
04-15-2011, 11:22 AM
Thanks for the video essies. There are probably 20 people in the USA that know of this theory of eastern Japan slipping into a trench. It's too terrifying to even contemplate. I don't even want to say what would happen to the west coast of North America from the resulting Tsunami.

coastal
04-15-2011, 11:41 AM
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-tepco-compensation-mineral/

TEPCO also shared its intention to drop bags with Zeolite, a mineral that absorbs radiation, into the ocean near the water scoops of Fukushima-1 reactors 2 and 3. The operation, which is aimed at reducing the level of contamination in the seawater, will start as soon as the weather permits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite

Non-clumping cat litter is often made of zeolite or diatomite.
I was just reading about glass -stained glass- and I happened across a thing called "vitrification". Vitrification is the transformation of a substance into glass. From Wikipedia:

...In a wider sense, the embedding of material in a glassy matrix is also called vitrification. An important application is the vitrification of radioactive waste to obtain a stable compound that is suitable for ultimate disposal...

...Vitrification is a proven technique in the disposal and long-term storage of nuclear waste or other hazardous wastes. Waste is mixed with glass-forming chemicals to form molten glass that then solidifies, immobilizing the waste. The final waste form resembles obsidian and is a non-leaching, durable material that effectively traps the waste inside. The waste can be stored for relatively long periods in this form without concern for air or groundwater contamination. Bulk vitrification uses electrodes to melt soil and wastes where they lay buried. The hardened waste may then be disinterred with less danger of widespread contamination. According to the Pacific Northwest National Labs, "Vitrification locks dangerous materials into a stable glass form that will last for thousands of years."

I know it can't be as simple as zapping all that radioactive wastewater with electricity and a little sand, right there where it sits, to make a block of glass that can be dropped into some ocean trench where it will lie harmless and contained for thousands of years, but what if it is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitrification

Niner
04-15-2011, 06:18 PM
Hello Mods!! Could we get another thread going... this one took SOOOOO long to load and I have Hi-Speed internet!! :maddening: :fence:

Thanks in advance!!

hockeymom
04-15-2011, 06:32 PM
Lots of seismic activity in Nevada!! Anyone feeling it?

http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=41029&n=122

dsntslp
04-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Lots of seismic activity in Nevada!! Anyone feeling it?

http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=41029&n=122Latest Earthquakes: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

:)

Quiche
04-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Please eat Fukushima’s veggies, Japan tells radiation-wary nation

Quote: Now offered at lunch at a Japanese government restaurant: a rich curry and rice, topped with Fukushima vegetables fresh from the nuclear-emergency zone.

It is part of an unlikely twist in the eat-local movement as the government presses a skeptical public to accept that food from the contaminated northeastern coastline should be purchased, roasted and devoured, not avoided.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/please_eat_the_vegetables_japan_tells_radiation_wa ry_nation/2011/04/15/AFkOfmkD_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage

Watch, and learn. Money, commerce, economics. :mad:

Quiche
04-15-2011, 09:54 PM
What if the $152 billion to clean up Fukushima were spent on solar instead?

Quote: It would be amazing, that's what. Read this infographic and weep.

http://www.grist.org/list/2011-04-15-what-if-fukushima-had-leaked-solar-panels

If only...

Quiche
04-15-2011, 10:05 PM
Fuel rod fragments at bottom of vessels
No meltdown risk if cooling efforts continue

Quote: If too many of the melted fuel fragments puddle at the bottom, they can generate enough concentrated heat to bore a hole in the pressure vessel, which would result in a massive radioactive release to the environment..

"It will take at least two or three months ... until the situation of fuel rods is stabilized" said Takashi Sawada, vice chairman of the nuclear body.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110416a1.html,,,,they

noonie
04-15-2011, 10:41 PM
IMO They are Screwed and maybe us too?????????????

essies
04-15-2011, 11:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5eRjQOI0ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPRO6whmlQc

JBean
04-15-2011, 11:58 PM
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