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shadowraiths
04-15-2011, 07:05 PM
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They account for less than 1 percent of all killings in the U.S. in a given year, but serial killers attract the most attention. They fascinate us. They terrify us. And we wonder if they walk among us.

It’s difficult to know exactly which murders are serial killings. The FBI’s Behavior Analysis Unit – the so-called “profilers” - define serial murder as: “The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s) in separate events.”

By that definition, many gang killings or organized crime hits could be considered serial killings.
Full Article: click here (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/15/serial-killers/)

Sonya610
04-16-2011, 11:46 AM
Serial killers are completely different than hit men, gang related killing, or just violent muderous acts of rage etc... The motivation is the crucial factor, they kill for psychological and or sexual fulfillment, not to make money or settle grudges.

They plan it, look forward to the acts, then reflect on them for a period of time afterwards. Course they don't always, Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole didn't seem to do a lot of planning or reflecting but they are most definitely classified as serial killers, they just basically drove around the country killing random folks, raping, sometimes supposedly cannibalizing, etc... but without defined "cooling off periods". Nevertheless they did it for fun and for psychological rewards.


Most of the definitions also required a period of time between the murders. This break-in-time was necessary to distinguish between a mass murder and a serial murder. Serial murder required a temporal separation between the different murders, which was described as: separate occasions, cooling-off period, and emotional cooling-off period.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#two


People like Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski wracked up a heck of a body count but is still not considered a serial killer. Fascinating youtube documentary on him. His acts have been turned into storylines on some crime dramas, he was freezing some victims so the time of death could not be nailed down and he dumped a partially frozen body which ultimately lead to his capture.

Very interesting series in which The Iceman talks about various murders and methods:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNrZ6ttPuI

shadowraiths
04-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Serial killers are completely different than hit men, gang related killing, or just violent muderous acts of rage etc... The motivation is the crucial factor, they kill for psychological and or sexual fulfillment, not to make money or settle grudges.
I was admittedly surprised the writer of that article omitted the "cooling off period" as that is the hallmark that differentiates serial murder from other multi-victim crimes. Importantly the phrase "cooling off period" parallels drug use, where the user experiences a high, and some time passes before they need another fix. Where, in the case of serial murder, the "fix" is the act that results in the death of the victim.

As for the Iceman? He sort of straddled the line. While he certainly was not a classic SK, he tortured many of his vics as opposed to standard mob hits. There was a sadistic element. And not all those he murdered were mob hits.

Sonya610
04-16-2011, 03:38 PM
As for the Iceman? He sort of straddled the line. While he certainly was not a classic SK, he tortured many of his vics as opposed to standard mob hits. There was a sadistic element. And not all those he murdered were mob hits.

Yes I agree with that. He was definitely not just "doing a job" he enjoyed it. At the same time I do not think he hunted or had a cooling off period.

He apparently just found killing easy and enjoyable and found a successful career nitch. He killed based on a trigger, either anger or cash, which is different than obsessing over the idea and then reveling after the fact.

I found it interesting that he seemed (some of the stories were questionable but he honestly did seem) to have a problem recalling dates and incidents and the number of victims. I think while he is coherent and bright his perception of reality is probably more than a bit different. His questions regarding why he does not feel and why he is different sounded very very sincere to me.

Knot4u2no
04-17-2011, 12:16 PM
The following is an excerpt from Richard Kuklinski’s BRACE Character Profile Psychological Autopsy.

http://www.braceanalysis.com/free_downloads/BRACE%20Character%20Profile%20Kuklinski%20Autopsy. pdf

SUMMARY CONCLUSIONS:
The current findings are consistent with those of forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Dietz who actually interviewed Richard Kuklinski (The Iceman Confesses, HBO America Undercover, 1992). Given Richard Kuklinski’s chosen profession of crime and his repeated self-exposure to high risk situations, which often culminated in his violent acts against others, it was particularly surprising to find such clear patterns of underlying fear other than that associated with Paranoid Personality Disorder (e.g., see Avoidant Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder positive correlations). It is reasonable to conclude that Richard Kuklinski’s god-like desire for ultimate power and control (murder) was fueled in part by his underlying fear of being at the mercy of others. In combination, his paranoid and antisocial characteristics made him a particularly lethal criminal.

Richard Kuklinski’s fear and preemptive active avoidance of being under the control of others may well have been conditioned during his developmental years as a result of repeated abuse at the hands of his parents, the very people he needed most to trust for protection. As a young adult, he increasingly took on the dominant, controlling role, inflicting pain and suffering on others rather than being the victim (first murder at 14). In doing so, he further distanced himself from painful memories and experiences, taking control of his fear by directing his personal power against others. Making others suffer instead of him suffering transformed violence into a very potent positive reinforcer. In terms of learning processes, anything (violence) associated with the termination or decrease of pain and discomfort (fear) will acquire positively reinforcing properties (valued) --- i.e., it (i.e., violence) will be strengthened and more likely to occur again in the future under similar circumstances. One clear trigger for his violence was fear, any type of fear, any threat to his survival (witnesses). Additionally, violence was his primary means of acquiring money to support his idealized family life, giving violence another role to boost its progression in terms of frequency, intensity, and/or duration. Violence became his “good pleasure,” even a source of deviant humor. In addition to having the characteristics (in rank order) of a Paranoid Personality Disorder (r = +0.58), a prototypical 40-point Hare PCL-R Psychopath (r = +0.43), an Antisocial Personality Disorder (r = +0.36), and a Narcissistic Personality Disorder (r = +0.28), Richard Kuklinski has an even higher correlation with a Sadistic Personality Disorder5 (r = +0.76). Richard Kuklinski’s high risk criminal lifestyle matched the same level of excitation he had experienced as a child when anticipating being abused, only now it was a positive rush at the expense of the lives of others. He was a sophisticated hustler, deceiving his marks through positively reinforcing processes (flattery, sharing information, friendly presentation), until he killed them (eliminating witnesses) and stole their money (source of income). He thrived on his reputation and “respect,” willingly inflicting fear on others to motivate their cooperation and compliance (including family members). Ultimately, Richard Kuklinski deliberately and systematically chose his own pleasure and comfort (positive reinforcement) and his own avoidance of pain and discomfort (negative reinforcement) at the bloody expense of others.

My personal opinion,
Russell

Sonya610
04-17-2011, 01:41 PM
The following is an excerpt from Richard Kuklinski’s BRACE Character Profile Psychological Autopsy.

Very nice synposis. He reminds me a lot of Carl Pamzram, except of course Carl was into guys and some of his kills were an offshoot of sex. Just like the Iceman Carl didn't hunt perse but he did enjoy killing and he wracked up quite the body count.

I did not see signs of narcissistic personality disorder (then again I am not a shrink). He was a sadist no doubt, and he enjoyed the reaction of the victims but not sure it was narcissistic. Narcissists appear to need the reaction of others, they live throught the eyes and reactions and emotional manipulation of others; sociopaths may like the screams but they do not care about the emotional manipulation or the experience of others, they care about the reaction. Narcissists seek the buy in and drama, sociopaths see objects of amusement.

Had a bad experience with a narcissist a while back and would take a sociopath any day of the week over those evil narcissist types. Plus if you are on good terms with MOST sociopaths they will help you out in a crisis.

Knot4u2no
04-18-2011, 10:10 AM
The following is an excerpt from the BRACE Character Profile of a Prototypical Psychopath. Note the high positive correlation with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

http://www.braceanalysis.com/free_downloads/BRACE%20Character%20Profile%20of%2040%20pt%20Hare% 20PCL%20R.pdf



OVERALL CORRELATIONS:

The BRACE Character Profile™ analysis aides indicate significant positive correlations with 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder (r = +0.54) and 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (r = +0.31). There are significant negative correlations with 301.6 Dependent Personality Disorder (r = -0.45) and 301.82 Avoidant Personality Disorder (r = -0.36).

Nonsignificant Overall correlations include: 301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder (r = +0.17), 301.0 Schizoid Personality Disorder (r = -0.13), 301.22 Schizotypal Personality Disorder (r = -0.04), 301.83 Borderline Personality Disorder (r = +0.06), 301.50 Histrionic Personality Disorder (r = +0.10), 301.4 Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (r = -0.01), and 299.80 Asperger’s Disorder (r = +0.01).

Related footnote:

In spite of the fact that the BRACE Character Profile™ prototypical types for personality disorders are based on the Personality Disorders presented in DSM-IV, the current findings appear to be quite consistent with the findings of Hart SD, Hare RD. Discriminant validity of the psychopathy checklist in a forensic psychiatric population. Psychol Assessm 1989;1:211–18, which are based on DSM-III. I certainly would encourage someone more academically inclined and statistically skilled than I to determine how true this is. I believe it would make a very interesting publication for a professional journal.
My opinions,
Russell

Sonya610
04-18-2011, 02:31 PM
The following is an excerpt from the BRACE Character Profile of a Prototypical Psychopath. Note the high positive correlation with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Having had a bad experience with a "classic narcissist" I just do not really think they are the same. Sure SOME traits are the same, manipulation, lack of empathy, etc... but from what I have read very very serial killers have displayed narcisistic traits.

Narcissists live for the mind games, emotional torture of those arround them, emotional abuse and manipulation of those in their circle etc... They are obsessed with showing how they are "special" and they demand that attention and recognization from most everyone in their world.

Serial Killers and sociopaths in general don't really give a hoot what the people around them think, they don't care if people make them feel "special or important", they can be charming but that is typically to manipulate others not because they live through the EYES of others the way a narcissist does. They simply manipulate when you have something they want (i.e. money or maybe they want to see your head on a stick).

In short narcissists start out as a charmer that tells you how special you are, and how you MUST be special for them to choose YOU as a friend or employee or lover or whatever, and then after that short honeymoon the emotional rants, drama, histrionic scenes, tirades, and such begin. Very few serial killers have openly showed such characteristics, and Narcissists are very very open and noticeable, they don't keep their specialness "hidden". Sure some Serial Killers are family men but a whole lot more were rather antisocial and kept to themselves or had fairly quiet social lives.




■Jealousy and possessiveness
■Excessive need to feel special, adored, loved, appreciated, or admired
■Rage attacks when you do not sufficiently meet his/her needs
■Controlling behaviors (trying to control how you spend your time, who you talk to, how you dress, etc.)
■Inflated self-esteem, or grandiosity (bragging, "fishing" for compliments)
■Dramatic, insecure behaviors
■Expecting you to take responsibility for making him/her feel better about him/herself
■Blaming you for behaviors or feelings (i.e., "YOU made me do this," or "YOU made me feel this way.")
■Not taking responsibility for angry behavior and justifying angry outbursts
■An attitude that demonstrates "the world revolves around me" and "you need to cater to my ideas, opinions, thoughts, and feelings."
■An unwillingness to reflect on his/her own behaviors



http://www.narcissism101.com/

Nova
04-18-2011, 02:56 PM
Just lurking here as I have nothing to add. But I want to thank everyone for this very interesting discussion.

Sistah Sleuth
04-18-2011, 03:15 PM
To me, Iceman is a psychopathic serial killer who got paid to serial kill. Nothing like getting paid for doing what you love...

Knot4u2no
04-18-2011, 03:16 PM
The following excerpt is from a Wikipedia article which is a good overview about Dr. Hare’s PCL-R (Psychopathy Checklist-Revised):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

PCL-R Factors 1a and 1b are correlated with narcissistic personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder. It is associated with extroversion and positive affect. Factor 1, the so-called core personality traits of psychopathy, may even be beneficial for the psychopath (in terms of nondeviant social functioning).

PCL-R Factor 2a and 2b are particularly strongly correlated to antisocial personality disorder and criminality and is associated with reactive anger, criminality, and impulsive violence. The target group for the PCL-R is convicted criminals. The quality of ratings may depend on how much background information is available and whether the person rated is honest and forthright.

Russell

shadowraiths
04-18-2011, 09:44 PM
FBI Reports & Publications. Stats & Services: Serial Murder (2007)
SK Myths from the FBI Report:

Serial killers are all dysfunctional loners.
Serial killers are all white males.
Serial killers are only motivated by sex.
All serial murderers travel and operate interstate.
Serial killers cannot stop killing.
All Serial killers are insane or are evil geniuses.
Serial killers want to get caught. Also see Issues regarding Talking Heads in Media (briefly excerpted below).
If responsible professionals are requested to provide statements about ongoing cases, the following guidelines are suggested:

Speak in general terms only.
Do not comment on the particulars of the current case.
Do not criticize the investigative efforts.
Do not misrepresent one’s credentials or experience.
Provide information to educate the public on the issues involved in serial murder.
Report: click here (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder)
PDF: click here (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-july-2008-pdf)

Knot4u2no
04-19-2011, 07:39 AM
Serial killer myths related to intelligence, etc. are addressed by Dr. Mike Aamodt and the students of Radford University:

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20IQ.htm


The following link is to the PowerPoint slides for class lectures- the one on serial killers is at the bottom of the list ... myth busting stuff.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/Teaching%20Corner/Forensic%20PowerPoint%20Slides.htm

Russell

Sonya610
04-19-2011, 08:34 AM
Most of the BIG name killers from the last few decades were fairly bright guys. Not geniuses, but still brighter than the average criminal at the very least (a lot of the violent offenders filling our prisons have IQ's in the 80-90 range).

Fact is a really stupid serial killer often won't typically last long enough to go "big time" and get a lot of public attention. Sure some retarded types (Lucas and Toole for example) got away with it via randomness and luck, but that is an exception in modern times.

The not so bright serial killers often get busted after 3-4 murders and people forget about them quickly. The public dramatizes them as "very intelligent" because in a way many of the better ones WERE very intelligent in their pursuits, plus more than a few that got a lot of attention had decent careers and were fairly eloquent. Combine that with the big name killers that had famous trials and granted interviews and such and the difference is even more noticeable (especially compared to the typical thug that kills a checkout clerk during a late night robbery and sounds like they barely passed the 4th grade).

Anyone that thought "serial killers are just like all the other crude often dumb violent criminals and common sense make them easy to identify" wouldn't stand a chance against a Ted Bundy or a John Wayne Gacy type (well almost none of us would for that matter).

kalekona
11-08-2011, 02:44 AM
Personally I think the label "Serial Killer" is being used more and more loosely. And many repeat murders who don't fit in other categories are tossed in as "SK"

For instance I have never seen Eileen Warnos as a Serial Killer. While she was indeed cold blooded I think she killed more out of fear, revenge and financial gain rather than for the thrill or compulsion.

vlpate
11-23-2011, 09:29 AM
Personally I think the label "Serial Killer" is being used more and more loosely. And many repeat murders who don't fit in other categories are tossed in as "SK"

For instance I have never seen Eileen Warnos as a Serial Killer. While she was indeed cold blooded I think she killed more out of fear, revenge and financial gain rather than for the thrill or compulsion.

I respectfully disagree - if Eileen were afraid (fear), why would she put herself in a position to be raped again and again? Revenge is a motivator for many serial killers - so with this I agree. Financial gain? She absolutely robbed her John's - but she never had to kill them, it wasn't like they would call LE to report her - most were married and it wouldn't have been worth it. That's the thing that bothered me about the movie Monster, they tried to find an excuse for innate evil. Very bad things happen to a lot of children and young adults, but a minute number go on to be serial killers. IMO, she is the epitome of a serial killer.

Someone here stated it correctly - the difference between a serial, spree, mass, rampage, or mob murderer is the cooling down period.

I always wonder which category someone like Ted Kazynski (sic), and the Tylenol killer would be placed in. I think Ted has been called both serial and rampage.

bessie
12-01-2011, 05:36 PM
This is an interactive app a member posted in the resources forum. I've used it before and found it interesting and useful for tracking possible serial killings georgraphically.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers/find-serial-killers

HMSHood
12-11-2011, 03:51 PM
The following is an excerpt from Richard Kuklinski’s BRACE Character Profile Psychological Autopsy.

http://www.braceanalysis.com/free_downloads/BRACE%20Character%20Profile%20Kuklinski%20Autopsy. pdf

SUMMARY CONCLUSIONS:
The current findings are consistent with those of forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Dietz who actually interviewed Richard Kuklinski (The Iceman Confesses, HBO America Undercover, 1992). Given Richard Kuklinski’s chosen profession of crime and his repeated self-exposure to high risk situations, which often culminated in his violent acts against others, it was particularly surprising to find such clear patterns of underlying fear other than that associated with Paranoid Personality Disorder (e.g., see Avoidant Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder positive correlations). It is reasonable to conclude that Richard Kuklinski’s god-like desire for ultimate power and control (murder) was fueled in part by his underlying fear of being at the mercy of others. In combination, his paranoid and antisocial characteristics made him a particularly lethal criminal.

Richard Kuklinski’s fear and preemptive active avoidance of being under the control of others may well have been conditioned during his developmental years as a result of repeated abuse at the hands of his parents, the very people he needed most to trust for protection. As a young adult, he increasingly took on the dominant, controlling role, inflicting pain and suffering on others rather than being the victim (first murder at 14). In doing so, he further distanced himself from painful memories and experiences, taking control of his fear by directing his personal power against others. Making others suffer instead of him suffering transformed violence into a very potent positive reinforcer. In terms of learning processes, anything (violence) associated with the termination or decrease of pain and discomfort (fear) will acquire positively reinforcing properties (valued) --- i.e., it (i.e., violence) will be strengthened and more likely to occur again in the future under similar circumstances. One clear trigger for his violence was fear, any type of fear, any threat to his survival (witnesses). Additionally, violence was his primary means of acquiring money to support his idealized family life, giving violence another role to boost its progression in terms of frequency, intensity, and/or duration. Violence became his “good pleasure,” even a source of deviant humor. In addition to having the characteristics (in rank order) of a Paranoid Personality Disorder (r = +0.58), a prototypical 40-point Hare PCL-R Psychopath (r = +0.43), an Antisocial Personality Disorder (r = +0.36), and a Narcissistic Personality Disorder (r = +0.28), Richard Kuklinski has an even higher correlation with a Sadistic Personality Disorder5 (r = +0.76). Richard Kuklinski’s high risk criminal lifestyle matched the same level of excitation he had experienced as a child when anticipating being abused, only now it was a positive rush at the expense of the lives of others. He was a sophisticated hustler, deceiving his marks through positively reinforcing processes (flattery, sharing information, friendly presentation), until he killed them (eliminating witnesses) and stole their money (source of income). He thrived on his reputation and “respect,” willingly inflicting fear on others to motivate their cooperation and compliance (including family members). Ultimately, Richard Kuklinski deliberately and systematically chose his own pleasure and comfort (positive reinforcement) and his own avoidance of pain and discomfort (negative reinforcement) at the bloody expense of others.

My personal opinion,
Russell

Interesting analysis on Richard Kuklinski. I read about him. Quite a killer he is. Probably the most prolific hitman besides Giuseppe Greco.
Giuseppe Greco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I respectfully disagree - if Eileen were afraid (fear), why would she put herself in a position to be raped again and again? Revenge is a motivator for many serial killers - so with this I agree. Financial gain? She absolutely robbed her John's - but she never had to kill them, it wasn't like they would call LE to report her - most were married and it wouldn't have been worth it. That's the thing that bothered me about the movie Monster, they tried to find an excuse for innate evil. Very bad things happen to a lot of children and young adults, but a minute number go on to be serial killers. IMO, she is the epitome of a serial killer.

Someone here stated it correctly - the difference between a serial, spree, mass, rampage, or mob murderer is the cooling down period.

I always wonder which category someone like Ted Kazynski (sic), and the Tylenol killer would be placed in. I think Ted has been called both serial and rampage.

I always thought Ted Kaczynski was also a terrorist. As for the Tylenol Killer, he or she is a hard one to classify. Probably more of a spree killer as they do not have a "cooling off" period. An example of spree killers are John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, Christopher Wilder, and Andrew Cunanan.

woodlawn
01-19-2012, 10:15 AM
I tried to do a good, thorough search before posting, and this thread seems 'least inappropriate' [?] but if there's a better place than this thread, or folks feel it doesn't belong, mods should feel free to move/split, etc.

As the article says, the human mind has a powerful bias to glean patterns where none exist, aside from which, extrapolating from one killer to a one-size-fits-all model seems iffy, but nevertheless, this seems like a fairly provocative area of research. (Though I'd certainly quibble with the first paragraph, quoted below...'when', perhaps. 'Why' is rather different matter.)


Researchers have discovered that the seemingly erratic behavior of the "Rostov Ripper," a prolific serial killer active in the 1980s, conformed to the same mathematical pattern obeyed by earthquakes, avalanches, stock market crashes and many other sporadic events. The finding suggests an explanation for why serial killers kill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46045497/ns/technology_and_science-science

mkilroy2
02-19-2012, 04:14 AM
You have a point. Serial killers don't have a conscience. They also are aware that there are societal rules, but these rules don't apply to them. These aspects are ingrained into their personalities.

CanManEh
09-14-2012, 11:57 PM
I have been wondering about this for awhile but never new where to bring it up or to get anyone's oppinion..So I'll ask here What do you think the chances are that on any given day there is a Actual Serial Killer on this website Obviously one that hasn't been caught yet or even a Killer but a killer from one of the cases we profile on WebSleuths. I have no dought both a SK AND A I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TERM A REGULAR KILLER OR A ONE TIMER lol troll sites like this one and others most likely as a unknowen guest But I mean One that has sighned up and actually contributes to conversations .Does anyone know of any stories about this happening maybe it was how the killer got caught or something .Otherwise I dought thier gonna out themselves But what does anyone think Im curious do any of you think that we prolly chat with a SK on here with out knowing ?

CanManEh
09-15-2012, 01:51 AM
Im really curious about what people think. Me personaly My mind goes to TV Shows & Movies about Serial Killers or A Killer and you see that one part where HE/SHE will be watching the late breaking news on the murder or the recently found remains and the Perp of the crime will be watching as it all unfolds. But In my mind at least that's probally as far as I see them taking it . So I guess for me I don't think any of the SK's out there OR the 1Time Killer is ever on here and actualy talking in the forums..But Like I said in my earlier post I do however think they come on as guests and read over all the conversations about what they did. There is a little part of me that thinks at one time or another a SK has came on and talked only for the fact that they are in need for that rush or the getting off on reliving it and yet remain annonamous Kinda like what BTK kept on doing untill he basically walked himself through the front doors of the police station ..Anyway still would love to hear SOME MORE OPPINNIONS ..

CanManEh
09-15-2012, 01:53 AM
Hey Why Can't I Thank My Own Post's lol ....

bessie
09-15-2012, 02:17 AM
CanMan, I'm not aware of any SK's who posted here, but it wouldn't surprise me. Reading here? I'd be surprised if that has NOT happened.

CanManEh
10-08-2012, 04:37 PM
Well ya I didn't really think they would out them selves lol that wouldn't be the smartest thing to do if you were a active seriel killer it would most likely put a hault to your career for the time being anyway HaHa..But I do think your right I think there has been some on here before just to do some scoping out on one or many of the crimes he's been involved in..

Tulessa
09-18-2013, 09:03 PM
Im really curious about what people think. Me personaly My mind goes to TV Shows & Movies about Serial Killers or A Killer and you see that one part where HE/SHE will be watching the late breaking news on the murder or the recently found remains and the Perp of the crime will be watching as it all unfolds. But In my mind at least that's probally as far as I see them taking it . So I guess for me I don't think any of the SK's out there OR the 1Time Killer is ever on here and actualy talking in the forums..But Like I said in my earlier post I do however think they come on as guests and read over all the conversations about what they did. There is a little part of me that thinks at one time or another a SK has came on and talked only for the fact that they are in need for that rush or the getting off on reliving it and yet remain annonamous Kinda like what BTK kept on doing untill he basically walked himself through the front doors of the police station ..Anyway still would love to hear SOME MORE OPPINNIONS ..

You would not believe the nights, I have left these threads, wondering how many SK are posting here. You just never know. I was always afraid to voice that though. Thanks CanMan, for living inside my head. :floorlaugh:

Tulessa
09-18-2013, 09:04 PM
This thread is fascinating!! I wish more would post here. I especially enjoyed Russel's posts.

Tulessa
09-18-2013, 09:15 PM
Iceman seems to really want to know, what makes him do the things he does. It's like he's needing answers. Does anyone else get this feeling???

Tulessa
09-18-2013, 09:32 PM
My Brother The Serial Killer (2013 Serial Killer Documentary)

My Brother The Serial Killer (2013 Serial Killer Documentary) - YouTube

Russ, let's bring this thread back to life.

thepinkdragon
09-18-2013, 09:45 PM
Well ya I didn't really think they would out them selves lol that wouldn't be the smartest thing to do if you were a active seriel killer it would most likely put a hault to your career for the time being anyway HaHa..But I do think your right I think there has been some on here before just to do some scoping out on one or many of the crimes he's been involved in..

I will never be 100% certain, but IMO I absolutely believe Austin Sigg was a member and posted in his own thread. I even reported some suspicious things to the authorities and after Sigg was arrested certain member(s) never posted or logged into the forums, from what I could see, again. I believe it's much more common to have POI/Suspects and actual killers on here reading and posting on their own crimes than we care to admit to ourselves. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general but maybe it's also because I've fought off the violent person trapped in my head all of my life and I sense things that may not stick out to other people. I've always known that if it weren't for my humility and compassion I may have ended up one of the people we sleuth.


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Tulessa
09-21-2013, 06:16 PM
I will never be 100% certain, but IMO I absolutely believe Austin Sigg was a member and posted in his own thread. I even reported some suspicious things to the authorities and after Sigg was arrested certain member(s) never posted or logged into the forums, from what I could see, again. I believe it's much more common to have POI/Suspects and actual killers on here reading and posting on their own crimes than we care to admit to ourselves. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general but maybe it's also because I've fought off the violent person trapped in my head all of my life and I sense things that may not stick out to other people. I've always known that if it weren't for my humility and compassion I may have ended up one of the people we sleuth.


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Gonna google that thread.....thanks.

Foxfire
03-19-2014, 10:10 PM
Im really curious about what people think. Me personaly My mind goes to TV Shows & Movies about Serial Killers or A Killer and you see that one part where HE/SHE will be watching the late breaking news on the murder or the recently found remains and the Perp of the crime will be watching as it all unfolds. But In my mind at least that's probally as far as I see them taking it . So I guess for me I don't think any of the SK's out there OR the 1Time Killer is ever on here and actualy talking in the forums..But Like I said in my earlier post I do however think they come on as guests and read over all the conversations about what they did. There is a little part of me that thinks at one time or another a SK has came on and talked only for the fact that they are in need for that rush or the getting off on reliving it and yet remain annonamous Kinda like what BTK kept on doing untill he basically walked himself through the front doors of the police station ..Anyway still would love to hear SOME MORE OPPINNIONS ..

Just ran across this very interesting thread. Imo, the 1% statistic by the FBI is a guestament at best. Some are never identified, nor are their crimes detectected as serial killings until years or decades later for many reasons. Seems almost weekly victims of SKs are located from the 1970s & 80s. Two examples are the speed freak killers & gary ridgeway; green river.
One only has to consider the FBI's Highway Serial Killer Initiative which was began in 2009. Within 2 years hundreds of victims were tied to SK Long Haul Truckers in a database. See Map: Highway Serial Killings Initiative database; the red dots mark where bodies or remains have been found along highways over the past 30 years. FBI ViCAP analysts have created a national matrix of more than 500 murder victims from along or near highways, as well as a list of some 200 potential suspects. (Keep in mind that this map hasn't been updated in five years)

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/april/highwayserial_040609
04/06/09 - Highway Serial Killings
New Initiative on an Emerging Trend



CanManEh, have you read the WS discussion thread of AK serial killer Israel Keyes? Although there are many WS threads related to IK and his victims. Here is one: AK, NY Israel Keyes - Who are all of his victims??? - Page 48 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9797897)

IK admitted to lerking on crime forums and posting comments a couple of times on msm articles of his crimes.

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Israel Keyes is believed to have committed multiple kidnappings and murders across the country between 2001 and March 2012. The FBI is seeking assistance in developing more information about his travels to identify additional victims.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/august/new-information-released-in-serial-killer-case
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'I've been diligently researching SKs/sexual predators for 6+ years'. Besides the pre-adolescent traits/signs; such as torturing animals, arson, bed wetting etc. The one common denominator that crops up again & again is the age that most serial killers cross the threshold from fantasy to dark reality which is age 14 or 15 years old..

One of the best articles that I've read concerning SKs/predators;

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html
Serial Killers - A Homicide Detective's Take
By Lieutenant Nelson Andreu (Retired)
Miami Police Department
Submitted May, 2005

Contents

Credentials and Interest
Common Knowledge
Genesis of a Serial Killer
Victim Selection
Victim Objectification
Denouement
Case Histories

4. Victim Selection <Sniped & BBM -read more>

Unexpectedly, I have observed that most serial killers never actually find and kill their "dream victim."
Ignoring for a moment the disparity between deviant human and normal feline behavior, a serial killer can be compared to a hungry lion that lies in wait for his favorite meal. It may be the lion knows an impala has the most tender or tasty meat. He waits for an opportunity to kill and eat the impala and in doing so may allow easy but not-so-attractive prey to pass unmolested. In time, hunger pains growing and no impala in sight, the famished lion will settle for an unwary bird that happens by. After devouring the bird, which gives his hunger a brief respite, the lion again has time to savor the taste of an impala, and the cycle begins again.

Like the lion, a serial killer just will not defer acting out his urge to kill simply because his "ideal" victim refuses to materialize at his beck and call. But his reason for settling for something less divulges from that of the lion. There are two basic, interrelated reasons for this disparity. The first centers on the extra caution exercised by a serial killer in his search for a victim; the second, upon the nature of the compulsion that drives him to violence.

Footwarrior
03-19-2014, 10:47 PM
I will never be 100% certain, but IMO I absolutely believe Austin Sigg was a member and posted in his own thread. I even reported some suspicious things to the authorities and after Sigg was arrested certain member(s) never posted or logged into the forums, from what I could see, again. I believe it's much more common to have POI/Suspects and actual killers on here reading and posting on their own crimes than we care to admit to ourselves. Maybe I'm just suspicious in general but maybe it's also because I've fought off the violent person trapped in my head all of my life and I sense things that may not stick out to other people. I've always known that if it weren't for my humility and compassion I may have ended up one of the people we sleuth.

As the WS member who lived closest to where poor Jessica was found, I just want to make it clear that I am still on the forum. :seeya:

MojaveViper
09-20-2014, 01:25 PM
I have been wondering about this for awhile but never new where to bring it up or to get anyone's oppinion..So I'll ask here What do you think the chances are that on any given day there is a Actual Serial Killer on this website Obviously one that hasn't been caught yet or even a Killer but a killer from one of the cases we profile on WebSleuths. I have no dought both a SK AND A I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TERM A REGULAR KILLER OR A ONE TIMER lol troll sites like this one and others most likely as a unknowen guest But I mean One that has sighned up and actually contributes to conversations .Does anyone know of any stories about this happening maybe it was how the killer got caught or something .Otherwise I dought thier gonna out themselves But what does anyone think Im curious do any of you think that we prolly chat with a SK on here with out knowing ?

Luka Magnotta toyed with his sleuths... He baited them and was actually arrested viewing himself in an internet cafe. He's not serial but definitely enjoyed seeing the hunt for himself.